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Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host. We've

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got a little bit of a late
start. I'll talk with Alejandro about that,

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so I have someone to complain to. But anyway, we're here.

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That's the important thing. Our guest
tonight is Paul Stark. We're gonna be

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talking about his movie was called The
Vatican Deception. We're gonna be talking about

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Fatima. I always like that subject. That's very interesting. It's very interesting

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because it's one of those unexplained things
that people have tried to explain it in

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different ways. Well, a couple
of quick announcements. I try to get

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down here. Who's Donnie here?
The retired police officer has been here a

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number of times in studio. Why
because it's my last It's my last show

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on top of the mountain. I
am actually moving and hence that's the reason

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the show started about seven minutes late. But anyway, I don't like moving.

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So I want to thank everyone that
supports the show very much. I

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couldn't do it without you. And
we're getting ready to roll, all right,

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so you phone news SpaceX. So
there's a lot of news about these

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extraordinary lights in the sky in La
just a couple of nights ago, Sunday

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night, actually, and that was
space X. Everybody probably knows that by

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now. However, SpaceX tried to
let people know before it happen, you

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know, to keep an eye out, that this spectacular light show would be

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happening near LA and people would be
able to see it. But it's still

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sparked a lot of people going what
the heck, you know, they just

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didn't know what was going on,
including some of our friends. I got

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a call from Lee Spiegel in San
Francisco, working with our friend James Fox,

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a documentary maker, and someone had
their neighbor came over and said,

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hey, UFO. Guys, there's
a UFO in the sky. So they

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all ran out and they're amazed by
what they saw. And Lee give me

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a call. Oh my gosh,
we just saw UFO and he sent me

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pictures and they were amazing. But
the first thing I said was I know

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what that is. That's SpaceX,
and which is equally as exciting. I

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mean, he seemed kind of bummed, but I think it's very exciting because

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essentially what happened, and I have
my little rocket pen here to demonstrate this

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is actually the Saturn five. But
the rocket took off and leaves behind this

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gas trail and you see these plumes
of the gas and what's exciting. And

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this is why Lee should be excited
about having the pictures and this whole thing

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being historic, because it also looked
cool coming down because it came back.

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Rockets usually don't come back. This
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the ground. Now SpaceX has had
falconine rockets launch and come land black on

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the planet again to be reusable,
but in the past they've used these remote

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drone boats that they land on because
like the first couple of times it happened,

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the rockets fall over and explode and
people would have died if they would

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have been on board. They were
damaged. So this was the first time

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on land. So that's I think
so extremely exciting, amazing. And do

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you know is this remotely operated or
is it all do you know what happened

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to if it's computer operated? Oh
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operated. And then it's complicated.
But a lot of even aerospaces like this

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where you know it's the fly by
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it makes these minute adjustments just tons
and tons and essentially just the bigger computer

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you have, the better you can
do this sort of thing. And the

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computers also learn over time, so
they learn how to make the right adjustments

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to make sure that the rocket is
staying upright and then also the right pressure

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for the jets to push to be
able to land on the ground like Buck

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Rogers or something. In fact,
the Dragon spacecraft is going to be the

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first likely to be the first to
take humans space for the US. Again,

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our contract is out with the Russians
and what they wanted to do SpaceX

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they were going to actually land that
rocket that way, but they're not going

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to now they're just going to use
parachutes. Boeing, who is the competition

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who right now is behind But they
may catch up with SpaceX and they may

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be the first foot space people in
space next year sometime. But their rocket

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is going to land on land,
but not like this Falcon did the other

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night. What they're going to do
is they have essentially balloons. They have

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that blow up and then this thing
land on the ground kind of on these

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these balloons. So um, that's
how they're gonna do it. Balloons on

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the underside of it. Or you're
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of the carriage. Yeah, so
you have, you know, a capsule.

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I'm looking for something that looks like
a capsule. Right, Oh,

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here's a UFO. Well that Mark
Antonio made this well not everybody, but

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essentially it comes down like yeah,
you know, it's got the parachutes and

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then it comes down through the atmosphere
and then below here these uh like crash

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bags you know, like we have
in our car, kind of inflate and

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then it just goes monk and at
lant on the ground. So, um,

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just tons of exciting stuff going on
in space, and with the privatization

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of space that we've got going on
right now, all of these companies are

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building essentially craft that are not like
what we've had in the past. So

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that's why we see all these lights
the other night with SpaceX, and we'll

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continue to see new innovative spacecraft,
especially throughout the next couple of years,

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being launched and then coming back through
the atmosphere to the planet. So it's

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going to be an exciting time from
here on out. Really, it's it's

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the space age again. We're going
to be seeing an abundance of different craft

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and things coming in and out of
our atmosphere and that will only continue as

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humanity before we kind of blow ourselves
up again or something. But yeah,

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so's it's just an exciting time.
So again, you know, drones were

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something that really changed what people see
in the sky, and especially for those

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of us who follow uf votes because
a lot of stuff can be droned.

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That we're going through kind of a
similar thing where more and more, you

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know, like private space projects will
be misidentified for UFOs and stuff. So

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I think it's really exciting right now
what we have going on. Otherwise,

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let's see some of the other UFO
news that we had talked about the other

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day. I think this is cool. The Casino dot Org. I don't

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think we had talked about that before
on your show. So there's a story.

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There's a few stories out there.
I know this Australian paper had written

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about it. And Interactive map tracks
every US alien sighting since nineteen forty.

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Well they're not alien sightings, but
they are UFO sightings. But essentially,

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Casino dot Org put up this UFO
site where they're giving us the odds,

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what are the odds that you would
see a UFO because you can bet on

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stuff like that, you know,
and they have these dropdowns where you can

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see how many sightings have been reported
in different states and different countries. There's

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also an interactive map where you can
click on it, so it's really cool,

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and then it tells you the odds
depending on the state you live in

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the odds that you may see a
UFO. It's all so got a timeline

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for different UFO sightings throughout the years, and some more statistics on UFO sightings.

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So it is really interesting site,
really cool stuff there. I had

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linked to it, and actually casino
dot org sent me a thank you on

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Twitter, which is kind of cool. So it seems like and they interacted

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a bunch or a little bit with
people. It seems like they're really you.

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Who ever put together that site's really
into the topic. But they did

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a really good job with that.
So that's something that people should check out.

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And I think they did that in
celebration of NASA's sixtieth anniversary. And

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you had pointed out on my podcast
this other article regarding NASA's sixtieth anniversary,

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which is why haven't we found aliens
yet? And then there was another one

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and PC Magazine is here's why aliens
will probably come in peace. So these

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are all kind of the Scientific Communities
Group efforts and idea. He is behind

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UFOs and well aliens especially, not
so much UFOs, but still they're really

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interesting topics and ideas that people should
check out. Excellent, Okay, Alejandro,

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thanks so much, no problem,
thank you. All right, Okay,

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everyone, and I'll talk to you
next week. I appreciate it.

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Yep. Okay, evern. We
have to go into a break here in

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just one minute. But first before
we do, I would like to introduce

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our guests and and hang on just
one moment. So Paul Stark, he

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is a he is a producer and
he's also a director, and the film

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we're going to be talking about is
The Vatican Deception, and it should be

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a great one. And we've got
to go right into break right after our

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introduce them. Okay, Paul,
welcome to the show. Thank you.

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Hi, yeah, Martin, and
thank you for having me on your show.

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Sure, and thanks for your patience
when I was running behind today.

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I appreciate that. It sounds like
you're a little of a big move there,

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So yes, I could have planned
a little better. I suppose anyway,

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we have to go into the break, So hang in there, everyone.

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This is Martin with podcast UFO and
kg R A radio, and I'm

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with my guest Paul Stark, and
we'll be right back right after this break.

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All right. So, Paul,
as I mentioned when we were I

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called you through my phone and Skype
and told you during this during these breaks

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were actually live. So I guess
we could talk about where do you live?

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Are you in Canada? Right,
that's right, Yeah, I'm located

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in Toronto, Canada, Toronto,
Uh huh. And how did you get

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into filmmaking? Well, it was
an interest of mine for quite a number

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of years, and I got into
it first by studying filmmaking at local university

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here. Uh. And from there
I started to build my own studio and

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I started producing some of my own
films. Back in two thousand and three,

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when I started my production company,
I produced a short film which went

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on to win awards in Hollywood and
New York and Houston and Toronto. So

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yeah, it was a good start. But you know, uh, it's

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uh, it's always you're always having
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to to to do more and to
prove yourself, you know. You can

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never just rest on your laurelds.
You're always having to prove yourself. And

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so, uh, you know,
that was the beginning. And since then,

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I've I've produced other award winning films
and I have to say, this

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is my first documentary that I've ever
produced. Oh oh wow. Yeah.

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No, people's people will forget you
fast, especially you know, you think

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of a lot of the actors,
like where are they now? I haven't

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seen this, you know, this
person or that person for forever, and

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they once they're like out of the
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hard for them to get back,
you know. They yeah, that's it.

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And these are people who were hugely
successful, people who were known,

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you know, nationally, right.
So I'm I'm just an independent guy.

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I'm not well known yet, and
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difficult even for me. And this, uh, this topic we will talk

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about that. We still have a
couple of minutes left here. So this

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topic, Um, is this something
that you've wanted to explore? I mean

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it's you know, pretty pretty interesting. And I did you know, watch

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the trail? I didn't see the
movie itself. Um, and uh,

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is that movie actually out where someone
can actually watch it or is that I

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know it's in limited theaters at one
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So we did release it to limit
did number of theaters back earlier this

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year in January, and it's been
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the UK, and there was also
a recent screening in Cincinnati, Ohio.

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But we're actually about to release the
film online now so that the entire world

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can get to see this film.
And the date for that release is coming

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up this Saturday, October thirteen.
And how's that? And we'll talk a

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little about when we're back on khr
A Radio. How is that? You

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said online? So how are people
going to watch? That's not like Netflix

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or anything like that. It's something
you'd have to order. Yeah, that's

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right. It's uh. You're probably
familiar with video, yep. So video

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has the platform, a video on
demand platform that allows people to show their

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films and to you know, to
allow people to either rent it or buy

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it. Yea. And so it
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form that we'll be releasing it.
I see. All right, welcome back.

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My guest is Paul Stark. He
has a movie out called The Vatican

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Deception. We're on KGr A Radio
and the show is podcast UFO, and

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we're on every Tuesday on KGr A
Radio. And we're also you can watch

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us on live on YouTube streaming at
the same time, and that's six to

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eight pm Eastern Standard time every Tuesday. All right, So again we were

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before the break, I'd only had
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can kind of tell the listening audience
basically your background and and then we'll talk

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about we'll talk about your movie and
a certain part of it. I want

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to talk about Fatima. I'm very
interested in that. So so if you

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would give your background, if you
would to the you went to film school

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we talked about on the break,
and just kind of fill in the listener

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q gr A Radio. Yeah,
sure, So I actually I actually started

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by studying business. And the reason
I got that business background was because in

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the film business you have to run
a business. So I have a degree

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from Sir Wilfrid Laurier University, and
after I graduated there, I started studying

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filmmaking at Ryerson University in Toronto,
Canada, and from there I decided to

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open up or start my own film
production company. So when I did that,

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one of the first projects that I
produced was a short film which I

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submitted to a number of festivals in
North America, and the film ended up

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winning a number of awards in Hollywood
and New York and in Houston and Toronto.

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And so that was my start to
film me. I thought, if

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I'm able to do this on the
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success and start producing bigger films.
I had a guy gentleman named Bryce Zabel

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on and on the show a while
ago. He's brilliant guy, and his

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wife said to him one day,
you know, you should you should write

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like a movies. You could do
that and like the very first one he

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ended up doing. I forget whether
in Dark Dark Skies or something like that.

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Ended up doing all these series,
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a hit, you know, I
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mean enough to sustain. So some
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have the mind for that. For
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do you have like an antique computer
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at? Is that a whole computer? Are you in a computer store or

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something? That's uh Yeah, you're
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which I've been meeting the place.
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I guess by today's standards. Yeah
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for probably over a year now,
but yeah, I think that it's time

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for an upgrade. Well, hey, you know, it might be worth

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something someday. I know the Apple
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It just looks like a keyboard with
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over two million dollars at auction a
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experimental model. So there is there
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meant kind of like in the market
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there is going to be a market
someday for computers. But I know I'll

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be long gone by then. Anyway. The key is that the rest of

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the equipment is up to date.
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right. That's right. So I'd
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because I mentioned kind of in the
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takes on what and what took place. It's very it's really fascinating, I

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know, it began October thirteenth,
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is did I get that sort of
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It was actually the last date that
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six months earlier on May thirteen,
nineteen seventeen. Now, and some some

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people want to take it the complete, you know, alien way and say

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that the being was an alien actually, and then there's the religious side,

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where I think your film gets into
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prophecy and all that. So have
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the one thing, you know,
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the one thing sounds an awful lot
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of people had had mentioned that someone
a good friend of the show, Sam

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Mironto, has been on the show. He he was following that could be

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possibly a UFO. And it's certainly
unidentified, that's for sure. But can

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you, for the first time listener
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can you kind of in a nutshell
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Yeah, sure, I'll try to
keep it as as concise as I can,

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because there's just so much there's so
much history there, there's so much

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detail. Well, we have plenty
of times, yes, sure, sure,

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So I'll fill in all of that
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can, as concisely as I can. First of all, just to clarify,

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you mentioned that this is sort of
looking at the religious side of it

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to some extent, Yes, because
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the children reported, and you know, obviously their experience was a religious experience,

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and so we had to look at
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your listeners who are wondering, this
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does is it it investigates. Sure, we have to give some detail about

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what happened in nineteen seventeen, but
then what we're interested in is what the

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Vatican did with that information afterwards,
and that's what the investigation is about what's

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being concealed and what isn't and what's
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with that overview, I'll give you
a little bit of the history of what

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happened in nineteen seventeen and what these
children reported. So it began on May,

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well, it began before May thirteen, but for you know, for

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simplicity. Let's just say on May
thirteen, this is when the children started

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reporting that the Blessed Virgin was appearing
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seemed to know that it was the
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it, but she never really identified
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also referring to her as a Lady
of Light, and she would appear to

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them every single month on the same
day at the same time. Usually it

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was around it was around noon hour
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And on the July thirteenth apparition this
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she revealed a set of prophecies to
the children, and these prophecies were referred

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to as the Three Secrets of Fatima. And you can imagine, you know,

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with every passing month, people were
learning about what these children were reporting,

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and they were becoming curious. They
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so crowds were growing every month.
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what was going on, and only
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Anybody who came out there didn't see
what the children saw. What they were

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seeing, though, was what the
people would see was something a little bit

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more. Like they would notice,
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sun would be a little bit dimmed. They were able to look at the

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sun without it hurting their their eyes. They would see other signs like sometimes

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they would see like would seem like
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were reporting that they were seeing the
Blessed Virgin. There were other types of

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signs that they saw, like pedals
falling from the sky. So these are

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the sort of things that the people
saw, But the children they saw this

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lady of light. And so what
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the secular media was catching wind about
these apparitions and they started reporting about

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it in the news, and a
lot of people believed that the children were

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making up the stories. Some people
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these children were being persecuted and even
Lucia. I'll give you the names of

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the three children. So Lucia was
the oldest one, Lucia dos Santos,

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and she was there with her two
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and Lucia was ten years old.
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and Francisco was eight, And so
Lucia's mother, her own mother thought that

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she was lying, that she was
making these stories up, and she persecuted

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her own daughter, and the people
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and the media was mocking them,
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Lucia finally decided to ask this lady, can you perform a miracle so people

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will believe that you're really appearing to
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keep coming every month at the same
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and on the final apparition, I'll
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And so on October thirteenth, the
final apparition, there was a crowd of

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seventy thousand people that came out in
the fields in the middle of nowhere to

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see what was going to happen.
The secular media came out, there were

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photographers, everybody came out in this
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And and it's worth noting that during
that night before, there were torrential

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rains that were falling, and the
rain was so heavy that it flooded the

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fields. There was water everywhere,
there was mud. People were soaked coming

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out in the field, but it
didn't deter them. They still came out,

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and at exactly the time predicted,
they looked up in the sky and

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they could see the clouds parting,
and they said that what they witnessed was

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what they called the miracle of the
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at the beginning. They said that
the sun looked like a disc that was

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spinning, and it was possible for
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without it hurting their eyes. And
it began to move in a zigzag pattern,

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and it began throwing off colors,
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around them the colors of uh,
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Their clothes looked colored, the trees, the grass, everything looked colored.

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pattern, and at one point they
said it looked like it had detached itself

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from the sky and they it looked
like it was plummeting toward the earth,

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and everybody who was there started to
panic. People started to, you know,

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feel like they were going to die. People felt at their knees they

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began to pray. They were praying
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to its natural orbit in the sky. So that was the end of it.

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The whole thing lasted for about ten
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this whole thing was over, they
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all of that water that had fallen
overnight, it had been, it was

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gone. And I remembered scientists being
a report about house and scientists said that

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the amount of energy that would have
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that sort of amount of time would
have incinerated the people. So it was

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a very interesting phenomenon. Everybody who
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that was essentially what they called the
miracle of the sun. Now there are

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about seventy thousand people in the middle
of nowhere, and it's just it's just

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really, really, really something else. And there's a lot of images.

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Anyone can find these images on Google
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her umbrellas and all that. So's
the here's the thing about everything drying is

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really bizarre. And I know mud
was dried up into regular dried like soil

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or whatever, but we know that
the Sun didn't actually do that, you

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know the sun. Of course,
all the scientists in the world would say,

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hey, the Sun did something really
weird one day. We also know,

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the Sun's not really connected to us, like like it could fall down

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into the you know, from the
sky and all that. So the only

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part that doesn't sound like it's just
a plane, you know, UFO of

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some kind is when it seems to
go back to its normal state. You

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know, that doesn't fit the rest
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find very interesting with all of this, and because I have heard how some

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people suggested that maybe it was a
UFO sighting. Uh, there's other people

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who also suggested that it might have
been a mass hallucination. Yeah, but

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getting back to the UFO theory,
one thing that I found very interesting about

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this entire event is the religious aspect
of it. And you know, it's

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difficult to ignore that part of it
when you look back. Actually before me

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thirteen before these apparitions started, Lucia
reported that something else had happened before that

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the year before, and what it
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angel that appeared to her. She
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when it appeared to her it um. I don't know how familiar you are

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with the Catholic Mass, you might
know about you know, how they they

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received the Eucharist and the body and
blood of Christ, they call it.

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These children they received the body and
blood of Christ in a sort of a

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divine form. It appeared to them
and they I saw this Euchrist and a

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chalice floating before them, and they
received this communion um from an angel or

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with the with the presence of this
angel. So the thing that I find

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doesn't make sense with the UFO story
is that why would you have this religious

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thing um Like UFOs normally don't function
that way. You know, you don't

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usually associate UFOs with the Euchrist and
with the receiving of the communion. So

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that's kind of that's the thing that
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also the messages when you look at
the messages that these children received, they

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were all messages. They were warnings
about what was coming. They were warnings.

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They I don't remember ever hearing about
a UFO that predicted something that was

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coming. So these predictions also make
it very interesting, you know what you

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do here? As you do,
we hear a lot of a lot of

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people or that have had encounters say
that they have like a warning or they

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could see the earth and turmoil,
you know, whether it's climate change or

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whatever it is. We have to
take care of the plane. If that's

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a message that a lot of people
do discuss. And then, you know,

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playing devil's advocate a little bit,
perhaps if it going back the other

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way, if it was some type
of and I don't have to say aliens,

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if it was some type of being
or whatever, perhaps they were communicating

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in a way that they thought would
be understood, you know. But the

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Secrets of Fatima, now there's the
two that were released, and then there's

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the third one that was supposed to
be read actually by the Vatican, right

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by the Pope or whatever, released
basically in nineteen sixty Do I have that

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right? Yes, that's right.
So whatever happened to the and do you

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know why they never never talked about
the third secret? Yeah, we do

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have quite a bit of information about
it. To begin with the first two

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secrets they were revealed in the nineteen
forties early nineteen forties, and the third

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secret was as you say, it
was supposed to be released in nineteen sixty.

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And we know this because the world
was anticipating the release. Back in

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the nineteen fifties, there was a
film made about the whole story of Fatima

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and what happened. In nineteen seventeen, Warner Brothers released a film about it,

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and it was actually nominated for an
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So, you know, so everybody
knew that this third Secret was supposed to

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be released, and they knew that
it was supposed to be in nineteen sixty,

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the release year. So when nineteen
sixty came, the Vatican decided not

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to release it, and there was
a lot of speculation around what was going

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on why they weren't releasing it,
and so that became the mystery over the

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last fifty years. Now, now, if you want to find out what

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that secrets about, you know,
anybody who claims that they know the exact

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details of it, you know,
I don't. I would. I'd be

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skeptical about whether they do or not. But we do have enough information out

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there to have a pretty good understanding
of its essence. And just before you

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move on, I just wanted you
to clarify, how do you have that

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information. So this is from testimonies
of people who have actually handled the secret

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or read the Third Secret. So
these are like first what they called it.

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It's like a primary source information.
And one of the one of the

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key testimonies comes from well, there's
a number of one of the people who

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spoke about it as a man by
the name of Father Malachi Martin Oh.

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Yes, he was in the Vatican
during this time in the nineteen sixties when

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they were supposed to be released,
and his cardinal, Cardinal Baya, was

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close to the Pope and he had
a chance to read the Third Secret of

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Fatima through Cardinal Baya. Father Malachi
had a chance to read it through Cardinal

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Baia, and so he knew the
details of it. And he had done

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a number of interviews on the Art
Bell Show during the nineteen nineties and he

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was interviewed at length about a number
of things, including the prophecy of Fatima,

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and Father Malachi had talked about it. Some of the things that he

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said was the Secret of Fatima.
It involved two key things. Number one,

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he said that it would have something
to do with the Great Apostasy,

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like a wholesale He called it a
wholesale apostasy throughout the church, among laity

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and among the Catholic clergy. And
he said, the other salient characteristic about

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it is that it means intense suffering
globally for the entire world. So that's

417
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that's one thing that we know about
the third secret. And you know,

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when you analyze and you dig into
this, you start to realize, especially

419
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for anybody who belongs to the Catholic
faith, if you start to hear about

420
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this, uh, this wholesale apostasy, it's it's basically it's an attack on

421
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your own faith. It's it's um, it's it's an abandonment of faith that

422
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could have a devastating impact on the
entire church at one point two billion people.

423
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So um, that would pretty much
fit the bill of something that would

424
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you know, that would give motivation, that would give motivation to the top

425
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people in the church to conceal interesting
And I know you know right now,

426
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the of course, the Catholic you
know, religion is under fire basically with

427
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a lot of scandals going on,
so they're probably this is something they wouldn't

428
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you know, feel like they had
to release. I mean they have their

429
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handsful right now. Yeah, that's
right, that's right. There's enough controversy

430
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:35.079
now that it's not something that they
would want to bring up. And yet

431
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it's interesting because you know, if
you went back to the nineteen sixties when

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this was actually supposed to be released, and if you had told a Catholic

433
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back then that's such a time would
would come in our lifetime when the church

434
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would unravel and they would appear to
be collapsing. Back then, they would

435
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never have believed it. They would
have said, you're crazy. This institution

436
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:05.880
is two thousand years old and it
survived, and for you to say something

437
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:09.000
like that just doesn't make any sense. And yet here we are now the

438
00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:16.519
prediction is actually fulfilling itself. We
are seeing scandals beyond our imagination. And

439
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:22.440
even Pope Benedict the sixteenth last year, he himself said the church is on

440
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:29.679
the verge of capsizing. So what
seemed to be like an impossible prediction is

441
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:34.679
actually fulfilling itself. So this is
what you know, I find very interesting

442
00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:39.639
with the Fatama prophecies is this was
predicted and it could never have been It

443
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could never have been imagined. So
that was one of the things that were

444
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that were predicted in one of the
so called secret. That's right. So

445
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what we're referring to here is where
Malachi Martin talked about the great apostasy or

446
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the the wholesale apostasy in the church. There was another cardinal, actually a

447
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:13.639
Cardinal Chiappe, who also read the
Third Secret, and he also said that

448
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in the Third Secret it is foretold, among other things, that the great

449
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apostasy in the Church would begin at
the top. Well, he's referring to

450
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something, you know, obviously at
the very highest levels of the hierarchy,

451
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:31.880
something like that. Again, like
you know, it would have been hard

452
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to imagine something like that even even
fifteen or twenty years ago. And yet

453
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:45.360
here we are now living and seeing
for ourselves. We have a lot of

454
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stuff going on, as you've been
hearing in the media that is making you

455
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wonder what's going on at the top, and do they even still believe in

456
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their own values, in their own
faith, their own dogma. And you

457
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:02.800
know, I'll let people answer that
question for themselves, but you know,

458
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you have brought the attention to it. Obviously something's going on, but it

459
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was predicted and we're seeing it.
Yeah, all right, So we're ready

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to go to break, So hang
in there. We'll be back for KGr

461
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A Radio. This is Martin Willis
with my guest Paul Stark the Vatican Deception.

462
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Thanks all right. So, um, in this break, we'll actually

463
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be taking calls, you know,
in a little bit, so Evan,

464
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if you won't mind putting up the
call number up there, So we'll be

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taking calls up in this second hour. It's not going to be quite an

466
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hour because we're on the radio station
and it's cutting into their time a little

467
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bit, so it's going to be
as short of that. So for something

468
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for us to talk about for about
three and a half minutes here, how

469
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about how your film has been received
so far. It sounds like it sounds

470
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like it's actually got some momentum.
What are some other parts in the film

471
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besides you know, Fatima, can
you just touch on some of those?

472
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Uh yeah, so let me think, because I mean, the focus obviously

473
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is on the prophecies, the predictions
and how we're actually seeing the fulfillment of

474
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them. One of the predictions was
about the start of World War two.

475
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That was very interesting and your listeners
might want to have a look at this

476
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I don't know if I should wait
until we get back back on, but

477
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your listeners that can have a look
at this. If you google Aurora borealis,

478
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which means northern lights, and you
look for the date January twenty fifth,

479
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nineteen thirty eight, you'll find that
something happened on that date and it

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was predicted by the prophecies of Fatima. The way Second Secret was written,

481
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it said, when you see a
strange light ill sorry sorry, when you

482
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need to see a night illuminated by
a strange light. This would be a

483
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:13.280
sign during the reign of Pope Past
the eleven that a worst war is about

484
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to break out. And when you
look at that date January twenty fifth,

485
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:22.559
nineteen thirty eight, Aurora borealis,
you'll find that there was a very strange

486
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light that appeared in the sky and
it was seen on five different continents In

487
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England. The light was so bright
that they thought Windsor Castle was burning down,

488
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and they actually dispatched fire department.
They actually dispatched the fire department.

489
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This has written up in the New
York Times because that's how right the light

490
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was. They thought that there was
a fire at Windsor Castle. So now

491
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what happened. Eight days after this, the Hitler promoted himself to the general

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00:41:55.280 --> 00:42:00.079
of the German Army, and about
thirty four days after that, they marched

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00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:05.960
into Austria and the annexed it to
Germany, and sure enough, the Second

494
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:12.159
World War it escalated from there.
And what's interesting is that that light that

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seemed to have come right before the
beginning of World War Two, it actually

496
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appeared exactly during the reign of Pope
Pious the eleventh. Now what's interesting with

497
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that is that when the prediction was
made, that Pope wasn't elected yet,

498
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and as you may know, you
know, you don't normally know what name

499
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a pope will take on until they're
elected and they choose their own name.

500
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So for them to know the name
of the Pope, and to know that

501
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:50.159
this light would happen during his reign
and that that would pre predicate the start

502
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of World War two, it's all
very impressive. So I find that's a

503
00:42:54.239 --> 00:43:00.039
very interesting thing with the Fatima prophecies. And maybe another thing can throw in

504
00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:07.440
there quickly if we have time,
just so I could probably squeeze it in

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there, is that we we also
discuss a council that took place during nineteen

506
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:20.119
sixty it was called the Second Vatican
Council, and it revolutionized the church.

507
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It abandoned traditional dogma and it was
the beginning of the end, if you

508
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:28.519
can put it that way, Okay, of the church, and it's collapsed.

509
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.119
So all right, here we go. Sorry, all right, welcome

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00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:35.320
back. This is Martin Willis.
My guest is Paul Stark. We're on

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kg R A radio and we're talking
about the Vatican and so much more.

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We I can't remember exactly where we
left off before the last break, but

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we were, I believe, talking
about the Catholic Church kind of crumbling possibly.

514
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:58.760
And the current pope is I don't
want to say controversial, but a

515
00:43:58.800 --> 00:44:04.280
little bit different than the norm.
Wouldn't you say? Yeah, he's actually

516
00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:08.000
very different from the norm. I
mean I just read in the news recently

517
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there were photos of him carrying what's
called a stag. I don't know if

518
00:44:15.079 --> 00:44:22.679
you're if your viewers or listeners are
familiar with that term. It's apparently it's

519
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:29.199
like a staff that is used by
witches or for witchcraft. To see a

520
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:36.119
pope carrying this kind of thing instead
of a crucifix is that it's extremely unusual.

521
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:39.360
You know, it's you would never
see anything like that in the past.

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00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:45.280
He also there was a time a
couple of years back where he was

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00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:52.280
he met with the president of Bolivia
and the President of Bolivia handed him what

524
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:59.239
was like a crucifix, but it
was it was like the Christ crucified on

525
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:05.159
a on the communist symbol of the
hammer and sickle. And you know,

526
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:08.440
if you're familiar with the history of
the Church, it hit the condemned communism

527
00:45:08.480 --> 00:45:15.119
for centuries, and now all of
a sudden you had this Francis in the

528
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Vatican accepting this as a gift,
which was extremely unusual. So we're seeing

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all kinds of things like this.
I'll give you one more example. We

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could probably go on and on,
but back earlier this year, there was

531
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the founder of La Republica, which
is one of the largest daily newspapers in

532
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:45.360
Italy, and that man is an
atheist, and he apparently meets with Francis

533
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:51.639
now and then, and they had
a meeting earlier this year, and he

534
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:57.599
came back from that meeting and he
claimed that Francis told him he didn't believe

535
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in the existence of hell. For
a pope to say that is if and

536
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:08.119
I'm saying if he said this,
by the way, because we don't have

537
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:14.159
the proof one way or another.
Francis never denied it openly that he said

538
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:22.039
that, But if he said it, we have a sitting pope that appears

539
00:46:22.079 --> 00:46:25.400
to be claiming things that are contrary
to the belief system of the Catholic Faith.

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And you know, that's exactly what
the word apostasy means. It's exactly

541
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what Father Malachi Martin said that the
certain Prophecy of Fatima was about, about

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00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.840
the apostasy in the church. It's
exactly what Cardinal Chiapi was warning about in

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00:46:40.920 --> 00:46:45.760
nineteen ninety five when he said the
great apostasy will begin at the top.

544
00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:52.039
So these statements we have from these
Vatican insiders, they seem to be exactly

545
00:46:52.079 --> 00:46:57.639
in line now with what we're seeing
and witnessing with our very own eyes today.

546
00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:01.320
So these are all very interesting things
that are happening. And you know,

547
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:07.199
it's as you say, it's this
particular pope that is very different from

548
00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:13.599
other popes, right right. I
just love listening to Art Bell and Father

549
00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:19.920
Malachi. He was very interesting.
He was involved in exorcisms and all kinds

550
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:24.400
of all kinds of things, a
very interesting guy. He's passed away a

551
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:28.920
number of years ago, but yeah, it was always great listening to him.

552
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:35.360
And so also, while we're on
this topic, I'm sure you probably

553
00:47:35.400 --> 00:47:37.599
heard that. I believe it was
the pope prior to this, the one

554
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:43.199
that we retired, which is actually
rather unusual too, you know, for

555
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:52.199
a pope to retire. But I
believe he said that it's extraterrestrials are most

556
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:54.840
likely out there and we should baptize
him or something like that. Did you

557
00:47:54.880 --> 00:48:00.320
ever hear any of that? Yeah, you know, I have actually heard

558
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:05.280
about that, and it was a
bit of a departure from, like you

559
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:09.880
say, what we're accustomed to hearing. I don't remember exactly the terms he

560
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:15.719
used it. It seemed as though
I think he was basically saying that it's

561
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worth investigating, you know, whether
there's other life out there. So he

562
00:48:21.920 --> 00:48:25.920
did seem to open the door on
that. Yeah, I think he said

563
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that we should count them as our
brothers. Yeah, it may be something

564
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:34.760
like that. I don't remember the
exact words banks Race. I think that

565
00:48:34.840 --> 00:48:39.880
was God, wasn't it that too? But I do remember when that came

566
00:48:39.880 --> 00:48:45.239
out that that he said something about, you know, if they are you

567
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.360
know, a creation of life from
God, that we should count them as

568
00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:54.079
our brothers and sisters. Race,
were you eavesdropping? I was, and

569
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:58.360
also happened to be Catholic, So
I see. I ut all all this

570
00:48:58.400 --> 00:49:02.360
stuff pretty tightly about that. We'll
join in anytime. You're welcome, Race,

571
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:07.159
So well, thank you, and
I apologize for that interruption. Oh,

572
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:09.880
not at all, not at all. Another thing, also, I

573
00:49:09.880 --> 00:49:15.880
think it's fascinating that they have an
incredible telescope in their own observatory, and

574
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:20.639
you know that that whole part is
very fascinating to me, that they're actually

575
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:27.199
interested and looking out there. Yes, yeah, and they have been for

576
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:31.239
quite a long time now. Um. You know, a lot of people

577
00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:35.840
don't know, but from from my
understanding, and I haven't done a lot

578
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:39.519
of research on this, but I
have heard that they did used to look

579
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:45.840
to the stars for messages from God, from like you know, for insight

580
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:49.960
or for for understanding. And you
know, it would make sense if you

581
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:54.719
think about it, because we always
imagined and understood that God came from the

582
00:49:54.719 --> 00:50:00.920
heavens. That's that's the that's the
doctrine. So where do you look when

583
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:02.519
you're looking to the heavens? You
look up, you look up into the

584
00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:08.280
sky, and you know, there
has been a fascination with the stars and

585
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:15.280
within the church for many years,
and astrologers used to study the stars and

586
00:50:15.320 --> 00:50:20.920
look for for insights that way.
So you know, it's not a new

587
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:25.880
thing now. I think they're understanding
of what they can understand from the stars.

588
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:30.920
Probably evolved over time, but that
isn't anything new, and I'm sure

589
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:36.519
that the interest is still there.
Obviously from the comments from Benedict sixteen,

590
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I had tried to reach out to
one of the one of the astronomer priests

591
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at the observatory. I think it's
a do I want to say it's in

592
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the United States, right, isn't
that they do have one in the United

593
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:57.239
States somewhere? I believe maybe maybe
I got that wrong, but yeah,

594
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I don't know. I couldn't confirm
that. Yeah, but um, they're

595
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:07.920
supposed to have really amazing equipment.
And of course, you know, as

596
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:12.880
as you know, the Vatican is
extremely wealthy. I mean, there are

597
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:15.679
people out there that said, if
they just sold their art alone, you

598
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:20.840
know they have Michelangelo, um,
you name it. Um, if they

599
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:23.679
sold their art alone, they could
feed the hungry and the entire world for

600
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:29.000
I think I forget how many years
it is. But you know they're incredibly

601
00:51:29.079 --> 00:51:35.119
rich in real estate and and and
art. It's amazing and also historical documents.

602
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:40.280
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Their museums are are worth uh.

603
00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:47.400
I guess you could say, uh, countless countless millions, if not billions.

604
00:51:47.679 --> 00:51:52.199
I know that they certainly have an
enormous wealth. They a lot of

605
00:51:52.199 --> 00:51:55.480
that wealth came from They used to
own a lot of land in Italy,

606
00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:04.960
the Vatican and the Church. And
what happened at one time when when Italy

607
00:52:05.079 --> 00:52:08.400
was still forming, um, the
Vatican gave up a lot of those lands

608
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:15.840
in in in exchange for payment from
from the Italian government, from what I

609
00:52:15.920 --> 00:52:22.360
understand, and it was at that
time that they that they ended up with

610
00:52:22.480 --> 00:52:28.920
where they are now, which is
a Vatican city. And so you know,

611
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:34.000
they used to have a wealth in
terms of land, and when they

612
00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:38.400
gave up those lands, they converted
it into a wealth in in in like

613
00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:45.239
a financial wealth. But they certainly
do have an incredible wealth, there's no

614
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:51.719
question. I have a friend that
was making a documentary Roger and nigart Um.

615
00:52:51.760 --> 00:52:54.079
He's actually been on the show.
He's a skeptic um a while,

616
00:52:54.320 --> 00:53:00.400
quite a while ago. But he
went to the Vatican and spoke to a

617
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:04.960
bishop trying to get an interview with
the pope. And the bishop said to

618
00:53:05.039 --> 00:53:09.440
him, well, anybody, can
you know talk to the pope. All

619
00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:15.599
you have to do is, you
know, donate twenty thousand dollars for said

620
00:53:15.679 --> 00:53:22.159
ten or fifteen minutes. Wow,
He's basically asking for a donation of twenty

621
00:53:22.159 --> 00:53:25.159
thousand dollars just for a few minutes
to speak with the pope. Um.

622
00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:30.199
So, I guess that's a that's
a good fun drive. Yeah, sure,

623
00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:32.760
I guess we see that in the
politics as well. A lot of

624
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:37.320
people go to fundraisers to see Obama
speak. Well, that's true. Yeah,

625
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:42.400
you know, so it's it seems
like it's a it's it's in line.

626
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:49.599
Yeah. Now, I mean he
won't he won't exclude people who I

627
00:53:49.639 --> 00:53:52.079
mean, obviously, if you really
need to speak with the pope, it's

628
00:53:52.119 --> 00:53:55.960
made it might be one way you
could do it. But he certainly does

629
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:00.039
speak to people without payment as well. Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure.

630
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:04.639
So I'm just letting you know.
The lines are open if anyone wants

631
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:07.119
to call in. That numbers up
on the screen on YouTube. If you're

632
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:10.559
over at KGr A Radio and you
want to call in that phone number six

633
00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:15.800
h three nine six seven four h
three. Oh, if you have a

634
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:19.719
question for our guests, give us
a call. So I want to I

635
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:25.679
just want to skip back just one
more time on Fatima. Do you think

636
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:32.360
there's has anyone attempted to come up
with a conclusion about what it really was?

637
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:37.760
You know? I mean yeah,
they just think it's completely like one

638
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:45.079
of the miracles or whatever, and
that's it. Oh, by confusion,

639
00:54:45.119 --> 00:54:49.679
you mean an alternate explanation other than
I mean, I mean it's it was

640
00:54:49.719 --> 00:54:52.079
such a weird thing that happened.
We have a call coming in, such

641
00:54:52.079 --> 00:54:54.719
a strange thing that happened. Why
don't we hold that thought and get back

642
00:54:54.760 --> 00:55:00.239
to it. Sure, Okay,
caller, you're on the line. I'm

643
00:55:00.239 --> 00:55:04.960
your first name? And where are
you calling from? Hey? Martinus God

644
00:55:05.079 --> 00:55:07.599
from Richmond, Virginia. Hi there, what's the first name again? I

645
00:55:07.599 --> 00:55:13.960
couldn't quite hear it? God?
Yeah, Hi, how are you doing?

646
00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:17.400
Welcome to the show. I'm all
right. Thanks as a great show,

647
00:55:17.519 --> 00:55:22.880
long time listener. So I got
a question for your guests. As

648
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:29.880
you ever heard of ever read the
book Exo Vaticana by Thomas Putman and Chris

649
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:35.360
Hoyd. Are you able to hear
clearly it's a little little bad connection there.

650
00:55:36.199 --> 00:55:39.519
Yeah, yeah, no, I
can hear a book called Exo Vaticano

651
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:45.840
he's talking about, Yeah, Exo
Vaticano. Yeah, Chris Own and Thomas

652
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:49.639
Putnam. Yeah no, I can't
hear. I can't say I've read that

653
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:53.239
book. Yeah, it's it's a
really good it's like an encyclopedia. They

654
00:55:53.280 --> 00:55:59.480
also read another book called Petro Romano. I suppose they got the last book.

655
00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:06.519
But the extra Botocata deals with the
UFO subjects, and basically, like

656
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:09.679
you're talking about that, the Vatican
has an observatory. I think it's uh

657
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:15.679
to say. It's in Arizona where
they have a telescope, and ironically it's

658
00:56:15.679 --> 00:56:23.280
called Project Lucifer. That's the acronym
for the U for the telescope. And

659
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:29.920
they presupposed that a lot of the
sightings of UFOs and fourth were actually like

660
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:38.159
demonic entities. Yeah, Project Lucifer, which uh, you know is obviously

661
00:56:38.199 --> 00:56:43.400
a very sort of strange name for
a project like that. It's it's almost

662
00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:49.079
seems to suggest that they're seeking for
Lucy. They're looking for lucifer um,

663
00:56:49.159 --> 00:56:54.119
which kind of goes against uh,
you know, their their value system in

664
00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:59.199
the Catholic faith. They're looking for
God. They're looking for for God's son,

665
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.880
Jesus Price. So um, it
is an odd thing and uh,

666
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:07.239
it kind of gives you a sense
though of where things have gone. And

667
00:57:07.400 --> 00:57:10.559
it should be a bit of a
wake up call for people, I think

668
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:15.360
to you know, to hear about
these sort of things. Yeah, they

669
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:22.840
and they I'm sure I'm left like
the heart of the Columns of heat Nick

670
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:28.239
Redford, he's wrote about it,
but they're also mentioned in Network and they

671
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:30.480
were involved with it as well.
I'm not sure with the loose for acronym

672
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:37.280
actually stands for it, and you
know, but yeah, it's it's it's

673
00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:40.039
interesting read. It's like it's a
really long book. It's like an encyclopedia,

674
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:45.320
but it's lots of footnotes and lots
of they have we page easy to

675
00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:51.239
go to, like the videos of
you know, supported Aliens, which they

676
00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:57.199
say a demonic intods and stuff versus
the funduts and bolts. So kind of

677
00:57:57.239 --> 00:58:00.960
interesting because it seems to have sort
of a mix of science and h and

678
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:07.199
spiritual u the whole idea of UFOs. I would say, sort of more

679
00:58:07.239 --> 00:58:14.400
of a scientific request, whereas when
you talk about the demonic, you're referring

680
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:19.079
more to something spiritual, So it
seems like it's, uh, it's exploring

681
00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:22.280
both of these, uh, these
realms if you want to call him that,

682
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:27.039
right, Yeah, exactly. I
just found it interesting. I'm more

683
00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:30.159
of a enoughs and Bolts down of
the guy. But a friend of mine,

684
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:35.760
Durby onto it's a really really good
book if anybody wants it to gular

685
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:39.519
a chance to read it. Fascinating
different, you know, and like we

686
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:45.840
all think, who know, Yeah, it's it's part of I guess,

687
00:58:45.559 --> 00:58:52.760
the writer's search for answers, investigating
and trying to learn what he can.

688
00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:57.760
Hey, thanks for the called talk. All right, thanks Martin Rachel,

689
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:01.119
all right, thanks a lot.
So the line is open if anyone else

690
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:06.400
wants to ring us and talk to
our guests, ask a question. The

691
00:59:06.559 --> 00:59:09.159
number is up on the screen at
six oh three nine six seven four h

692
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:13.519
three. Oh. Please keep in
mind if you're watching the show and it's

693
00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:15.920
not live, that number is not
working. It's only working during the show.

694
00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:25.639
So I have heard. Also what
he's talking about the Lucifer and that

695
00:59:25.639 --> 00:59:30.239
that whole thing. I believe it
was probably on coast to coast or something.

696
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:34.719
I'm not really sure where I heard
that, but but it's still interesting

697
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:38.400
and there's um, you know,
just for the Catholic Church to admit that

698
00:59:38.760 --> 00:59:45.679
extraterrestrial life as possible as that's a
big change. And you know a lot

699
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:52.400
of people have said in the UFO
field that there could be collapses of religions

700
00:59:52.440 --> 00:59:58.320
and things like that, society,
parts of society if we actually find intelligent

701
00:59:58.800 --> 01:00:02.679
life is out there and it's you
know, actually I'm not saying just UFO,

702
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:07.320
but actually saw intelligent life and there
was proof of that that everything would

703
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:13.440
collapse. And I think it's almost
like the Catholic churches preparing for that to

704
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:17.519
happen, because we are certainly knocking
on the door of the possibility of that

705
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:22.440
happening. Yeah. Well, I
mean, one thing I think we have

706
01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:27.039
to admit is that there is a
lot we don't know. And you know,

707
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:30.519
our our knowledge of our world in
our universe, it evolves over time,

708
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:36.360
and you know, I think this
is all part of our learning about

709
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:40.400
our environment. And there's obvious there's
you know, it makes sense for us

710
01:00:40.400 --> 01:00:49.679
to have a curiosity about what's going
on. I mean, the universe is

711
01:00:49.679 --> 01:00:55.159
just so vast it's impossible for us
to ever know about all of it,

712
01:00:57.199 --> 01:01:01.199
but it makes for a very interesting, you know, thing to explore and

713
01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:07.519
to try to understand. There's planets
and universes that are beyond our imagination,

714
01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:12.360
and the only way that we can
learn about them is, you know,

715
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:19.239
to evil either either use the equipment
we have now, send the probes and

716
01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:23.960
satellites, or travel there ourselves.
Right right, we have another call,

717
01:01:24.880 --> 01:01:29.480
call or your first name? Where
are you're calling from? Hi Martin?

718
01:01:29.519 --> 01:01:32.039
This is Andy from Stratford, Connecticut. Oh, Hi Andy, how are

719
01:01:32.079 --> 01:01:37.400
you good? New? Great?
Great? I have a good question I

720
01:01:37.760 --> 01:01:42.519
do. I have to say I
missed the much of the first half of

721
01:01:42.559 --> 01:01:46.400
the show. Um, I had
another commitment. But I have to ask

722
01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:53.880
your guests Paul what his thoughts are
on the h the idea that you know

723
01:01:53.920 --> 01:02:00.000
we're not alone and that there certainly
is other intelligent life out there. From

724
01:02:00.000 --> 01:02:05.119
myself as a as a lifelong Catholic
with a with a heavy Catholic education and

725
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:08.800
a father who was in a seminary
and a grandfather who nearly became a jesuit.

726
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:14.519
I know that it only for myself. It only adds to the richness

727
01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:20.320
of the universe and what God may
UM is capable of the thought that or

728
01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:25.000
the concept that we're not alone.
And I think it's it's silly to think

729
01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:30.280
that anything is impossible. UM.
And I'll take your call off the air.

730
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:31.679
I'll let you guys go, all
right, Andy, thanks, thank

731
01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:35.559
you, all right, thank you, good Joe, thank you, Okay,

732
01:02:37.079 --> 01:02:40.679
Thanks? Andy. UM. You
know, I don't this is a

733
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:45.559
theological question, and I don't know
that I could say I'm qualified to answer

734
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:50.320
this, but I can certainly give
you my own thoughts on it. And

735
01:02:50.760 --> 01:02:53.079
I would premise this by saying,
you know, please don't take this as

736
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:59.320
theological advice. UM. You know, I've always felt that there there can

737
01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:04.079
be life out there. UM.
And it's it's as uh Andy explained,

738
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:10.119
you know, there there is a
richness to God's creation, UM, throughout

739
01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:15.760
the universe. Who are we?
You know? How how can we say

740
01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:20.480
that we're the only ones? Necessarily
we may be, But it doesn't seem

741
01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:23.199
to be a stretch of the imagination
to think that we there may be other

742
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:30.079
life out there. And if there
is, UM, it doesn't disqualify our

743
01:03:30.159 --> 01:03:35.760
understanding of the existence of God and
God's laws. So I think that the

744
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:40.920
two can coexist. Um. But
like I say, I'm not qualified from

745
01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:45.880
a theological standpoint. I do think
that it always has been intriguing to me,

746
01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:52.000
Uh, this whole world of UFOs
and UFO sightings. Something seems to

747
01:03:52.039 --> 01:03:57.480
be going on, and it seems
as though there are things being concealed by

748
01:03:57.559 --> 01:04:00.960
us that have sort of leaked leaked
out that we're aware of now. And

749
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:05.199
I do think that it's an interesting
thing to explore. For sure. Now,

750
01:04:05.239 --> 01:04:10.719
if you took basically what you just
said there a minute ago, and

751
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:15.440
and you took um God out of
the picture, just for um, you

752
01:04:15.480 --> 01:04:18.079
know, some of the people out
there that are agnostic or atheist or whatever,

753
01:04:18.119 --> 01:04:26.440
some of the listeners, do you
still think that life could intelligent life

754
01:04:26.480 --> 01:04:31.840
could be out there if there wasn't
part of say a God creation. Yeah,

755
01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:36.559
from a from a like a purely
secular standpoint. Um, you know,

756
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:42.639
it's interesting some of the stories that
we've seen. You know, Area

757
01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:48.480
fifty four is very interesting. Fifty
one, oh fifty one Area close,

758
01:04:48.920 --> 01:04:54.039
Yeah, yeah close. I knew
was in the fifties there somewhere. Um.

759
01:04:55.000 --> 01:04:59.599
You know, the stories and testimonies
we've heard from people, the farmer

760
01:04:59.639 --> 01:05:03.800
who uh you know, found these
strange pieces of a of a UFO crash

761
01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:09.639
sighting on his farmland. Uh and
and the way it was dealt with.

762
01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:14.000
H. You know, there's a
lot of things going on there that are

763
01:05:14.039 --> 01:05:18.159
difficult to explain. Um. And
you know, I do think that they

764
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:23.840
sort of open up the door to
uh, you know, something worth looking

765
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:29.280
into. Something's going on and we
have to ask ourselves, well, why

766
01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:33.400
is this being concealed from us?
And what is being concealed? Certainly there's

767
01:05:33.800 --> 01:05:40.719
there's there's a truth in there somewhere. And I do think that, you

768
01:05:40.760 --> 01:05:46.239
know, like I was saying earlier
to this, this idea that extra extraterrestrial

769
01:05:46.280 --> 01:05:51.079
life exists out there in such a
vast universe doesn't seem to be a stretch

770
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:58.679
of the imagination, right, you
know, going back once again, going

771
01:05:58.719 --> 01:06:04.800
back to Fatima, and from what
I understand, somehow, you know,

772
01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:11.880
seventy thousand people showed up and it
was Do I have this right that it

773
01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:16.119
was at the time a very remote
and hard to get to place. Yeah,

774
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:18.760
I don't know if I would say
hard to get to, but remote

775
01:06:18.880 --> 01:06:26.039
for sure. It was in the
hills in the past years of Fatima,

776
01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:31.880
Portugal, and the children themselves lived
in a very small they don't even call

777
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:35.599
it a village. It's like a
little hamlet of a few, you know,

778
01:06:35.719 --> 01:06:40.880
I guess, a very few residents. And this field that they went

779
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:45.960
to was even outside of that little
hamlet, so it wasn't a remote area

780
01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:50.519
and it was in the hills of
the Fatima region for sure. Yeah,

781
01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:57.360
it's remote if you go back in
time into nineteen seventeen and you think about

782
01:06:57.480 --> 01:07:01.920
what they had for media, basically
news paper. To me, I think

783
01:07:01.960 --> 01:07:10.880
it's fascinating that enough people, that
many people from around the world would do

784
01:07:11.320 --> 01:07:16.000
that, and traveling was not easy
back in nineteen seventeen. To think about

785
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:20.280
all those people that showed up and
showing up, not knowing if they're going

786
01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:27.960
to have any food or anything,
just playing showing up. And so I

787
01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:32.639
think that that part of the story
is alone, is incredible because obviously the

788
01:07:32.679 --> 01:07:39.800
word got out about these children,
and how how did it get out and

789
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:44.159
the way it did get out,
if you know, you said earlier when

790
01:07:44.159 --> 01:07:47.840
we were talking about that, they
weren't believed at first, So what made

791
01:07:47.880 --> 01:07:55.039
people take them serious enough to make
that trip and travel. Well, I

792
01:07:55.039 --> 01:08:00.480
would say a couple of things.
Number when the curiosity. You know,

793
01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:05.639
if you were told, you know, just maybe thirty miles away from your

794
01:08:05.639 --> 01:08:11.039
home, that these apparitions were taking
place, you know, your curiosity would

795
01:08:11.079 --> 01:08:14.199
get the best of you and you
would you would feel that, you know,

796
01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:18.119
maybe I should check this out.
I remember from reading. I've read

797
01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:20.720
a lot of material on this,
and I remembered one of the first women

798
01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:28.840
who came out and was curious about
what was going on. She spoke,

799
01:08:29.880 --> 01:08:35.760
I remember there there was some reading
a text about her conversation with her husband

800
01:08:36.359 --> 01:08:41.520
and she she her husband asked her, where are you going, and she

801
01:08:41.560 --> 01:08:44.680
said, well, I'm going out
to the field to see what's going on.

802
01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:48.119
And he actually laughed at her.
He said, you don't actually believe

803
01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:53.159
that the Blessed Virgin is appearing to
these children, do you? And her

804
01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:56.479
response was very interesting. She said, well, she said, you know,

805
01:08:56.960 --> 01:09:00.359
I don't know if I believe it, But she said, if somebody

806
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:02.560
told me that the King was coming, I would go out to see what

807
01:09:02.720 --> 01:09:08.399
was going on. So it's the
same with this. I'm being told these

808
01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:11.640
apparitions are taking taking place. I'm
going to go check it out and see

809
01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:15.640
what's going on. So I think
it's that curiosity that sort of drove the

810
01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:19.800
country to want to come out and
see this. The second thing I was

811
01:09:19.800 --> 01:09:26.319
going to mention is that with the
media, the newspapers were reporting on this,

812
01:09:26.479 --> 01:09:30.960
and there were major daily newspapers that
were also reporting on it. One

813
01:09:30.960 --> 01:09:33.920
of the I think a couple of
the publications were based out of Lisbon,

814
01:09:34.000 --> 01:09:38.840
which was which is the capital of
Portugal. I believe it's the capital of

815
01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:45.560
Portugal, but it's a major city
in the Portugal. And so when you

816
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:50.479
have major newspapers and small local papers
all reporting about what's going on, and

817
01:09:50.520 --> 01:09:55.520
everybody's talking about it, that would
drive people as well to come out,

818
01:09:56.199 --> 01:10:00.960
especially when you have it reporting that
a miracle is kind there is going to

819
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:03.720
be a miracle on a specific day, at a specific time. How can

820
01:10:03.760 --> 01:10:09.720
you resist that? And I find
that's very interesting. You're you're right when

821
01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:16.680
you're referring to you know, we
forget in today's in today's terms, we

822
01:10:17.079 --> 01:10:21.760
forget how how lucky we have things. You know, we forget that we

823
01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:26.680
have the luxury of being able to
jump into a car or jump into a

824
01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:30.560
plane. You know, we can
fly around the world inside of a day

825
01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:35.560
or two. And you know,
with technology, I can send a message

826
01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:40.520
to somebody on the other side of
the world within seconds. So you know,

827
01:10:40.600 --> 01:10:47.239
it's it's it's very interesting that you
mentioned back then those technologies didn't exist,

828
01:10:47.760 --> 01:10:50.720
and you're absolutely right. You know, for the most part, cars

829
01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:55.920
were, they existed, but not
most people didn't have them, right,

830
01:10:56.279 --> 01:10:59.960
Uh, some people had to travel
for two days to come out to see

831
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:03.199
what was going to happen. And
you hear about this in the testimonies,

832
01:11:03.600 --> 01:11:10.319
people traveling for two days by foot
or by ox cart, and you know,

833
01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:15.439
it goes to show you how strong
that curiosity was, or how how

834
01:11:15.479 --> 01:11:17.640
strong people's faith was that they wanted
to see what was going to happen.

835
01:11:18.399 --> 01:11:21.800
So, you know, the whole
country, I think at the time knew

836
01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:27.359
something was going to happen and they
were all very interested in seeing what.

837
01:11:28.880 --> 01:11:33.159
So now you talked about this appearing
on the thirteenth of the month, which

838
01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:40.000
is also another bizarre thing because you
know, I mean just to be able

839
01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:45.960
to show up every month on the
thirteenth, And did things continue after the

840
01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:50.319
October date, you know, like
later on, did it skip a month

841
01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:54.560
or was it just playing gone and
never came back. Whatever it was.

842
01:11:56.479 --> 01:12:00.960
Whatever it was, that was the
end of it in that place with these

843
01:12:01.000 --> 01:12:09.640
apparitions. So it literally occurred from
May thirteen to October thirteen. Now Lucia,

844
01:12:09.840 --> 01:12:15.359
who lived many years beyond that,
she started speaking about other apparitions.

845
01:12:15.800 --> 01:12:21.800
She ended up becoming a nun,
and she spoke about apparitions that she witnessed

846
01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:28.600
while she was in the convent,
and so there was something that did continue

847
01:12:28.680 --> 01:12:33.159
with her, but these didn't look
her in fatima per se. Now,

848
01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:39.439
I know I have seen an image
online. I think anybody could look it

849
01:12:39.560 --> 01:12:43.800
up. But where it does look
like some type of object in the sky,

850
01:12:45.079 --> 01:12:48.479
you know, nineteen from nineteen seventeen. Are you familiar with that image?

851
01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:54.840
It almost looks like a figure in
the sky or something. Oh figure,

852
01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:58.000
I don't know if it's the same
image I'm thinking of. I know

853
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:03.000
there was something circulating about the miracle
of the Sun. Is that the one

854
01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:06.880
you're referring to? Uh? Yes, But there it almost looks like there's

855
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:12.520
some type of object in the sky. There's definitely something there. Yeah,

856
01:13:12.600 --> 01:13:15.680
and there they see if I'm remembering
correctly, it looks like an old photo.

857
01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:20.479
There's I'm trying to think of how
to describe it. I think,

858
01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:27.520
I think I know what the image
you're referring to, and whoever's been circulating

859
01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:31.079
that image is claiming that this was
an image of that was taken during the

860
01:13:31.079 --> 01:13:35.079
Miracle of the Sun. And I
did some research on that image and from

861
01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:42.199
what I've learned, it's not an
authentic image. It's if I'm remembering correctly,

862
01:13:42.359 --> 01:13:45.760
it says on the bottom that it
was released by the Vatican or something.

863
01:13:45.439 --> 01:13:49.520
Okay, um, I just pulled
that up on my own, on

864
01:13:49.560 --> 01:13:56.479
my own here on under Google Images. But I don't want to take,

865
01:13:56.760 --> 01:14:02.640
you know, showtime to it.
Does it really say oh, yes,

866
01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:11.079
it says something about an observatory in
Rome. Oh romano Yes, that's right,

867
01:14:11.239 --> 01:14:15.560
Yes, that's the that's the the
official publication of the Vatican. It's

868
01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:23.079
their official newspaper. So it's claimed
that that image was published by loserat Romano.

869
01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:28.960
Um. But from my research,
I understand that that's not an authentic

870
01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:35.039
image. It's uh, it's not
it's not a it's not a photo taken

871
01:14:35.159 --> 01:14:41.880
during this miracle. Now where their
photos taking during that It seems with seventy

872
01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:45.119
thousand people, there'd be photographers there. Yeah, and there were. There

873
01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:49.119
were many photographers there, and we
know that because if you do a search

874
01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:54.960
on this, you'll see the crowds
that were in the field. Um,

875
01:14:55.199 --> 01:15:00.199
why there are no photos of the
actual sun miracle? Uh, you know,

876
01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:03.000
as I haven't been able to find
an answer for that, But I

877
01:15:03.079 --> 01:15:11.000
have a couple of theories on that. Number One, it's quite possible that

878
01:15:11.199 --> 01:15:15.560
the photographers were so in awe when
they were seeing this miracle, or maybe

879
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:19.359
in fear that it didn't occur to
them to take a photo of that.

880
01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:26.399
You know, when you can imagine
something that's spectacular happening, you're kind of

881
01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:30.920
not focused on what's you know,
on what you're doing or your your function

882
01:15:30.960 --> 01:15:33.600
there, your job to take photos. You're you're maybe just staring in awe

883
01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:39.039
at something. So that's one theory. The other theory I have on it

884
01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:43.920
is that it's quite possible that there
were photos taken of it. But if

885
01:15:43.960 --> 01:15:46.119
you can imagine, you know,
I don't know if you've ever tried taking

886
01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:51.239
a photo of the sun, but
you'd probably haven't washed out image, especially

887
01:15:51.399 --> 01:15:55.920
back then with the cameras they had, they were very primitive cameras. They

888
01:15:55.920 --> 01:16:00.640
were, like, it was the
sort of the the early ages of of

889
01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:03.319
the age of photography, right,
the cameras that they had back then.

890
01:16:03.359 --> 01:16:09.359
We're not as sophisticated obviously as they
are now. It's quite possible they took

891
01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:15.359
photos of the miracle and that none
of these photos actually just developed properly,

892
01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:18.640
because I would imagine they might have
been completely washed out. They would have

893
01:16:18.640 --> 01:16:24.039
been just big white images, you
know, white frames. So that's my

894
01:16:24.119 --> 01:16:28.239
other theory on it. It does
seem odd that there wouldn't be any photos

895
01:16:28.279 --> 01:16:32.560
of it, But I think those
two theories are plausible explanations for why the

896
01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:38.079
actual miracle wasn't photographed. But certainly
the crowds were photographed, and you can

897
01:16:38.079 --> 01:16:42.039
see that the photos. There's there's
a number of photos of the crowds.

898
01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:47.720
Do you happen to know if if
anyone looked at this situation in a science

899
01:16:48.760 --> 01:16:54.239
way, you know, scientifically,
yes, yeah, there are there are

900
01:16:54.279 --> 01:17:00.640
some scientific theories on it. One
of them is that this miracle was like

901
01:17:00.680 --> 01:17:05.800
a mass hallucination, so they they
like, if you think about it,

902
01:17:05.880 --> 01:17:13.119
the anticipation of the miracle, the
fact that it was published in many newspapers,

903
01:17:14.479 --> 01:17:18.520
this idea that many people are coming
out with the same expectation. So

904
01:17:18.920 --> 01:17:28.439
the thought behind this all is that
they all were anticipating something so much that

905
01:17:28.520 --> 01:17:32.640
they all had this mass hallucination together. So that's one theory that has come

906
01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:39.199
out, I think for me.
One of the things that seems to debunk

907
01:17:39.279 --> 01:17:45.560
that is that there were reports from
people who weren't there in the field,

908
01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:49.760
people in the nearby village where Lucia
was from, who also claimed that they

909
01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:55.319
witnessed the same thing. And so, you know, for them to have

910
01:17:55.359 --> 01:17:59.520
not been a part of this uh
this uh and to still have witnessed it

911
01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:02.640
to me that, you know,
maybe it wasn't a mass hallucination. There

912
01:18:02.640 --> 01:18:11.039
were also reports that Pious the twelfth
saw a very similar miracle when he was

913
01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:16.399
in the Vatican gardens in the nineteen
I believe it was in the nineteen fifties,

914
01:18:18.359 --> 01:18:23.520
and he saw it, I think, on three different occasions within about

915
01:18:23.560 --> 01:18:28.600
an eight day period. So the
way he describes it apparently is very similar

916
01:18:28.640 --> 01:18:32.159
to the opperations that were witnessed by
these people. So again it makes you

917
01:18:32.239 --> 01:18:38.319
wonder, you know's what's going on
there, and there is a theological connection

918
01:18:39.159 --> 01:18:45.760
with all of that, So the
idea of mass hallucination for me anyway,

919
01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:50.359
it doesn't hold water. Yeah,
I've never really understood how a mass hallucination

920
01:18:50.399 --> 01:18:56.920
could actually work. I mean,
I can understand anticipation, anticipation for something

921
01:18:56.920 --> 01:19:00.439
to happen, and I have heard, you know, of situations where people

922
01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:05.600
are are actually like skywatching for UFOs
and everyone's like, you know, whatever

923
01:19:05.680 --> 01:19:12.439
it is, they're so excited they're
going to see something and so maybe it's

924
01:19:12.439 --> 01:19:15.199
a satellite going over and or whatever
it is, but they play mold.

925
01:19:15.760 --> 01:19:20.560
I wouldn't exactly call that a mass
hallucination, but I would say that because

926
01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:27.640
there are other people excited about seeing
something that they may you know, get

927
01:19:27.680 --> 01:19:31.399
carried away. But they're not seeing
like a whole object on its own.

928
01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:36.479
They're seeing things that look like they
may be something. You know. That's

929
01:19:36.479 --> 01:19:42.239
what sort of experiments as well.
You can ask ten people to go out

930
01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:45.159
and look for UFOs, and you
know, the chances are, you know,

931
01:19:45.399 --> 01:19:47.840
three or four or half of them. I don't know what to remember

932
01:19:47.840 --> 01:19:50.680
what the statistic is, but a
number of them will come back and they'll

933
01:19:50.720 --> 01:19:58.279
claim that they saw something, and
you know, it might be something authentic

934
01:19:58.319 --> 01:20:01.359
it might not be, but they're
there is something to this idea that you

935
01:20:01.399 --> 01:20:05.479
know, you're you're looking so hard
for something that you can convince yourself you've

936
01:20:05.479 --> 01:20:11.000
seen something. And you know,
I don't want to discredit those who have

937
01:20:11.079 --> 01:20:15.079
seen things. I think that there's
there's, like I mentioned earlier, there's

938
01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:19.800
a lot we don't know about um, but you know, certainly there have

939
01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:26.880
been reports that were not authentic as
well. Right right, I think we

940
01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:29.680
just had a caller join us.
Call her your first name where you're calling

941
01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:34.319
from. Yes, it's a Sam
from Chicago. Oh, Sam, is

942
01:20:34.319 --> 01:20:39.199
it thee Sam, the one and
only Sam, the Sam? You bet

943
01:20:39.239 --> 01:20:43.800
you all right? Sam Moronto?
Sam Moronto is a friend of mine and

944
01:20:44.039 --> 01:20:48.640
uh he's also a UFO researcher and
he actually you did some work on Fatima,

945
01:20:48.760 --> 01:20:56.000
right Sam, Yes, a lot
and having a having a having been

946
01:20:56.000 --> 01:21:01.600
brought up in a environment of Catholicism
and actually gone to a seminary and graduated

947
01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:06.920
from you know, this is something
was very much part of our our family.

948
01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:12.439
Uh, you know, as far
as the lore of different interesting things

949
01:21:12.439 --> 01:21:15.359
and the movie I remember the movie
came out. My god, it was

950
01:21:15.399 --> 01:21:19.760
great. But what I'm really enjoying
Paul's interview. The two of you are

951
01:21:19.760 --> 01:21:24.560
doing a great job. It was
great to hear Race's voice jump in there.

952
01:21:24.800 --> 01:21:27.800
That was just took me by surprise. I almost got down on my

953
01:21:27.880 --> 01:21:31.399
knees right then. And I want
you to know, Hey, just to

954
01:21:31.520 --> 01:21:34.680
let you Sam, You're welcome to
say on the rest of the show as

955
01:21:34.680 --> 01:21:40.279
far as I'm concerned. Uh,
Sam's a great guy, and I'm sure

956
01:21:40.279 --> 01:21:42.800
he's got a lot to talk about
this, so we're going to close the

957
01:21:42.840 --> 01:21:45.079
lines for the rest of the show. They had plenty of time to call

958
01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:48.920
in. Uh. But anyway,
Sam, you got something to add to

959
01:21:48.960 --> 01:21:54.760
what he's saying or yes. Unfortunately, Paul I came in a little bit

960
01:21:54.880 --> 01:21:58.359
late on. I'm listening to the
show and I and I you know,

961
01:21:59.359 --> 01:22:05.239
except please my apology. The thing
was with the area that that fantomas actually

962
01:22:05.319 --> 01:22:11.680
in. Wasn't it referred to as
being something in reference to a land of

963
01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:17.439
light? As far as the Roman
name given to it. I don't know

964
01:22:17.479 --> 01:22:24.960
about land of light, but as
you may know, Portugal is referred to

965
01:22:25.079 --> 01:22:30.119
as the land of Holy Mary in
Portuguese. They call it later de Santa

966
01:22:30.199 --> 01:22:36.039
Maria, so it's it's it's had
a long history as being recognized as a

967
01:22:36.119 --> 01:22:42.760
as a land that has a rich
history of devotion toward the blessed Virgin.

968
01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:48.399
Right. Oh, absolutely, But
I think that very that very area has

969
01:22:48.439 --> 01:22:56.159
a reference to being uh to a
land of that very vicinity around the provincia

970
01:22:56.239 --> 01:23:00.199
or that area. Um, it's
an old Roman thing that I stumbled across

971
01:23:00.319 --> 01:23:04.000
years ago. But if you as, if I find it, I'll send

972
01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:10.279
it to you. Yeah. The
other thing was, it's interesting where you

973
01:23:10.439 --> 01:23:18.399
were talking about the observatory and something
to the effect of the Luciferian or something

974
01:23:18.399 --> 01:23:24.079
about Lucifer, who is of course
in Latin, that lucifer means the bringer

975
01:23:24.199 --> 01:23:28.520
of light. That's very interesting to
me at least. Wow. Yeah,

976
01:23:29.479 --> 01:23:33.520
that's right now. Oh sorry,
I'll oh no, no, no problem,

977
01:23:33.840 --> 01:23:38.600
the bringer of light. And here
we are talking about a subject and

978
01:23:38.800 --> 01:23:44.119
I again, I was drawing in
this scenario of this area of light and

979
01:23:44.159 --> 01:23:47.800
then seeing this illumination at during a
period of time when they had so much

980
01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:50.680
social strife, and I don't know
if you had a chance to get into

981
01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:56.039
some of the labor issues going on
at the time, Communism, World War

982
01:23:56.119 --> 01:24:01.800
One, the wars they were having
trying to maintain their their their colonies in

983
01:24:01.840 --> 01:24:06.039
Africa. They had a lot of
issues. So when they had this going

984
01:24:06.119 --> 01:24:12.119
on, it was a perfect It
was the perfect scenario, the perfect storm

985
01:24:12.159 --> 01:24:15.159
for them to make use of it
and turn it in their political both for

986
01:24:15.199 --> 01:24:19.920
the church and the church was losing
property at that time, as I recall,

987
01:24:20.439 --> 01:24:27.199
in Portugal, and the state was
taking it back and there were issues.

988
01:24:27.279 --> 01:24:33.439
They were having confrontations with the church, so Catholicism was on the line.

989
01:24:34.159 --> 01:24:40.399
The threat of socialism and communism was
also something very threatening, and this

990
01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:44.479
was the perfect storm for them,
was it not. Yes, yeah,

991
01:24:44.520 --> 01:24:49.359
you're absolutely right on that. At
the time, communism was spreading, uh,

992
01:24:49.520 --> 01:24:58.279
Secularism was established and I even remembered
reading back back in that time.

993
01:24:58.880 --> 01:25:03.680
Lisbon was considered one of the most
secular cities in the world, and this

994
01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:11.479
threat was taking over all of Portugal. Religious freedom was being suppressed. They

995
01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:15.960
they had what they called the law
of separation, which meant that, you

996
01:25:16.000 --> 01:25:24.840
know, religion had had no um, no place in public, in especially

997
01:25:24.840 --> 01:25:30.399
in government obviously, but also even
in public, and they could get in

998
01:25:30.439 --> 01:25:32.199
a lot of trouble. They were
there was a point where they could get

999
01:25:32.239 --> 01:25:39.720
in trouble just for expressing their faith
openly, and so there was a perfect

1000
01:25:39.720 --> 01:25:47.520
storm at the time. It's very
interesting that this all unfolded the whole prophecy

1001
01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:53.279
of Fatima at that time. And
you know, it's interesting because one of

1002
01:25:53.279 --> 01:25:58.640
the things we get into in the
film The Vatican Deception is is in the

1003
01:25:58.760 --> 01:26:02.680
Third Secret of Fatima, there's we
do have a line of text that was

1004
01:26:02.720 --> 01:26:08.199
published by the Vatican. It says
in Portugal, the dogma of the faith

1005
01:26:08.239 --> 01:26:12.359
will always be preserved, etc.
And it seems to be a reference to

1006
01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:19.159
this preservation of Catholic dogma in Portugal. And you know, in this time

1007
01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:26.800
when you're speaking of in nineteen seventeen, where the Catholic Faith was under under

1008
01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:31.920
attack by these communist forces, it
would have seemed like it would have been

1009
01:26:31.960 --> 01:26:38.359
difficult for the Catholic Faith to overcome
this. And yet when Fatima came along,

1010
01:26:38.800 --> 01:26:43.840
it really had a very powerful renewal
of faith among the people, and

1011
01:26:44.680 --> 01:26:50.359
it brought back to their faith beyond
what could have been expected or imagined.

1012
01:26:51.640 --> 01:26:58.079
So, you know, like you
say, it overturned all of that.

1013
01:26:58.239 --> 01:27:01.760
It's some people almost referred to was
a miracle for it to have overturned.

1014
01:27:02.560 --> 01:27:11.680
There were some there's the Freemasons as
well as you know the mayor of they

1015
01:27:11.760 --> 01:27:18.800
call him the magistrate or the tinsmith
of Fatima. He was a known Freemason.

1016
01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:29.359
He'd belonged to a local lodge there
and he was against the people coming

1017
01:27:29.399 --> 01:27:31.520
out in the field and praying.
He didn't want these people to come out

1018
01:27:31.560 --> 01:27:36.479
and he didn't want pilgrimages to this
location where the children were saying that they

1019
01:27:36.520 --> 01:27:42.680
saw the Blessed Virgin. And at
one common point they built a small chapel

1020
01:27:42.720 --> 01:27:48.359
there and it was bombed. They
blew the roof off of it, and

1021
01:27:48.439 --> 01:27:51.159
there's pictures if you look at it
for it on the internet, you'll find

1022
01:27:51.159 --> 01:27:56.640
these photos of this chapel that had
been bombed, and they say that it

1023
01:27:56.720 --> 01:28:00.760
was the Masons that bombed it because
they were trying to discourage people from from

1024
01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:04.600
coming out there. But their faith
in what happened there was just so powerful.

1025
01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:09.439
There was nothing they could do to
stop it. It seemed like whatever

1026
01:28:09.479 --> 01:28:13.920
they did, it would just bring
more people out. And then the numbers

1027
01:28:14.079 --> 01:28:18.319
are just staggering to this day.
If you go out there in Fatima and

1028
01:28:18.399 --> 01:28:23.600
you try to visit that place on
any of the thirteenth from May to October,

1029
01:28:23.960 --> 01:28:28.560
but especially May thirteen, and especially
October thirteen, you'll see hundreds of

1030
01:28:28.560 --> 01:28:33.880
thousands of people. Yeah, it's
wow, you know. So it's really

1031
01:28:33.920 --> 01:28:39.640
turned this place into something that you
could never have imagined a hundred years ago.

1032
01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:43.119
Wow, Hey we have we have
five minutes left. Sam, I'd

1033
01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:48.479
like to ask you, you're sure
what your thoughts are on You mentioned that

1034
01:28:48.600 --> 01:28:56.479
you had like a Catholic background or
whatever, vocher thoughts on this incidents or

1035
01:28:56.560 --> 01:29:01.920
these incidents as far as the UFO
side of it compared to the religious side

1036
01:29:01.920 --> 01:29:06.640
of it, I personally look at
it again, you know how it is.

1037
01:29:06.680 --> 01:29:12.800
I don't believe. I'm an investigative
researcher and that's it. And so

1038
01:29:13.600 --> 01:29:15.680
as far as a dogma or whatever, it would have to fall in line.

1039
01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:19.399
But you know the thing here is
when we're doing investigative research, the

1040
01:29:19.439 --> 01:29:25.439
evidence has to speak for itself.
And what Paul has brought up and other

1041
01:29:25.479 --> 01:29:30.880
researchers too, this was a spectacle
seen by seventy thousand plus people, some

1042
01:29:31.000 --> 01:29:35.640
say thirty thousand, who cares.
It was a volume of people, all

1043
01:29:35.680 --> 01:29:41.960
of which had multiple agendas for coming
out, some being skeptical, just coming

1044
01:29:41.960 --> 01:29:46.000
out to thinking they're a bunch of
idiots others that I think that the example,

1045
01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:48.359
well, if the king, that
was a very good example. If

1046
01:29:48.359 --> 01:29:51.079
the king was coming to town,
wouldn't you come out and look at that?

1047
01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:55.960
Is very good. I think that
sound for the majority of the people.

1048
01:29:56.279 --> 01:30:00.079
The other ones were, of course
devout religious people. They're coming out

1049
01:30:00.119 --> 01:30:05.159
there thinking you're to see the blessed
Virgin Mary. The other thing was there

1050
01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:12.800
were some esoteric groups in the area
who during that time, ran some articles

1051
01:30:12.840 --> 01:30:18.039
in the newspapers talking about some special
event taking place on October thirteenth. Do

1052
01:30:18.039 --> 01:30:24.760
you recall in your research reading about
that, Paul you referring to at the

1053
01:30:24.800 --> 01:30:30.600
time in nineteen seventeen, Yes,
well I do remember. Like I mean,

1054
01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:39.279
there were certainly events related to the
church calendar that they observed and celebrated.

1055
01:30:40.000 --> 01:30:43.319
But that's not what you're referring to
to. No, No, there

1056
01:30:43.640 --> 01:30:47.279
these are known esoteric groups that had
a feeling that something was going to happen

1057
01:30:47.359 --> 01:30:54.479
October thirteenth, and they actually had
articles in the newspapers talking about a big

1058
01:30:54.479 --> 01:30:58.920
event and it was to take place
in Phantom in that area. But getting

1059
01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:03.039
back to your original and if you
don't mind the thing here is the religious

1060
01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:06.079
aspect. If the thing here is, we don't have to even tear it

1061
01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:12.520
apart. Something transpired, something absolutely
genuine. And this is where we could

1062
01:31:12.560 --> 01:31:16.159
take the skeptic to task and say, hey, the evidence is there.

1063
01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:20.960
There's even physical trace evidence as they're
not. The ground was dry. There

1064
01:31:20.960 --> 01:31:29.039
were people experiencing similar phenomena, the
buzzing of insects for bees, to recall

1065
01:31:29.159 --> 01:31:33.800
that, yes, there was like
for example, I remembered, you know,

1066
01:31:33.840 --> 01:31:38.439
people were listening to see if they
could hear what the blessed Virgin was

1067
01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:44.039
saying. And some people reported that
they could hear almost like a tiny voice,

1068
01:31:44.079 --> 01:31:47.399
as though as though somebody was speaking
in in a jar, or like

1069
01:31:47.680 --> 01:31:51.359
very faintly, or like a bee
buzzing in a jar, or something to

1070
01:31:51.439 --> 01:31:56.840
that effect. So there were people
and that was the more the more distinct

1071
01:31:56.960 --> 01:32:01.439
was closer, and it all falls
in line with but sort a certain range

1072
01:32:01.439 --> 01:32:06.800
of microwaves. The same thing that
the people being dried, the ground being

1073
01:32:06.880 --> 01:32:12.279
dried after they had rained for what
was two days or it was quite a

1074
01:32:12.279 --> 01:32:15.920
bit of rain and they were soaked, and here redie was dried. These

1075
01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:21.439
are events. This is physical trace
evidence people being cured of certain ailments,

1076
01:32:21.720 --> 01:32:27.880
which could fall in line with certain
the effect of certain microwaves or certain energies

1077
01:32:28.600 --> 01:32:32.199
affecting you. It could could relieve
some some pain or distress, possibly even

1078
01:32:32.359 --> 01:32:38.840
curing people. Who knows. The
bottom line is there's enough physical trace evidence.

1079
01:32:39.119 --> 01:32:42.920
There are enough witnesses there, some
of which who didn't want to come

1080
01:32:42.960 --> 01:32:46.760
there to accept anything as being plausible, and yet they experience it themselves.

1081
01:32:47.399 --> 01:32:51.279
The bottom line is the event did
take place. It is not a hallucination.

1082
01:32:51.560 --> 01:32:59.279
Hallucinations don't give off physical evidence.
I mean really, and that's so

1083
01:32:59.359 --> 01:33:02.560
absurd. But yet the skeptics will
come out. They're not even call them

1084
01:33:02.600 --> 01:33:08.000
skeptics, just downright cynics. Something
took place. Now, if I want

1085
01:33:08.000 --> 01:33:13.279
to put it into the realm of
something that has to do with religion,

1086
01:33:13.479 --> 01:33:16.960
I have no clue. Maybe not, I'd say it's outside the scope of

1087
01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:20.680
anything we could really put our finger
on and say, oh, it's absolutely

1088
01:33:20.720 --> 01:33:27.720
this. It doesn't sound like the
conventional UFO case in its entirety. Like

1089
01:33:27.840 --> 01:33:33.760
you were talking about the religious aspects, the the praying or the insistence of

1090
01:33:35.279 --> 01:33:40.960
having to say the rosary. Do
you remember that. Yeah, there's significance

1091
01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:45.279
of that that's right. In the
first apparition, actually the only two.

1092
01:33:45.399 --> 01:33:47.960
And see, this is why I
don't think this is all a coincidence.

1093
01:33:48.000 --> 01:33:51.439
I think these things happened so that
we could look at it and we can

1094
01:33:51.560 --> 01:33:57.680
dissect it and get an understanding from
it. When the first apparition happened,

1095
01:33:58.000 --> 01:34:01.239
the two girls were able to see
the Blessed Virgin, but the cousin,

1096
01:34:01.319 --> 01:34:05.600
the young boy, Francisco, he
couldn't see it, and so he was

1097
01:34:05.680 --> 01:34:10.640
asking, what are you looking at? What's going on? And so what

1098
01:34:10.800 --> 01:34:16.279
happened was Lucia was told by the
blessed Virgin that if Francisco starts to say

1099
01:34:16.279 --> 01:34:21.520
the rosary, that she'll be able
to see her also, and so he

1100
01:34:23.159 --> 01:34:27.439
that's what he did. He started
praying a rosary, and she's the blessed

1101
01:34:27.520 --> 01:34:31.159
Virgin started to appear to him as
well. So there's there's these religious,

1102
01:34:31.319 --> 01:34:35.239
uh you know, aspects to it
that you can't really ignore. You know,

1103
01:34:35.239 --> 01:34:40.520
a UFO would not have asked for
that sort of thing. Right we

1104
01:34:40.640 --> 01:34:45.159
are, I'm sorry, we are
out of time here. So hey,

1105
01:34:45.239 --> 01:34:48.119
thank you so much, beyond hey, thank you always a pleasure job.

1106
01:34:48.279 --> 01:34:53.319
We'll be talking very much. Okay, thank you gentlemen. All right,

1107
01:34:53.680 --> 01:34:57.920
all right, Paul, thanks so
much, Paul. And so the Vatican

1108
01:34:58.880 --> 01:35:03.119
movie dot com something like that,
right, your website, the Vatican Deception

1109
01:35:03.279 --> 01:35:06.800
dot com. Sorry, Vatican Deception
that's it. Yes, all right,

1110
01:35:08.199 --> 01:35:11.279
thanks so much, and people can
get in contact with you that that way,

1111
01:35:11.319 --> 01:35:14.359
I believe I did. All right, take care, great, Thank

1112
01:35:14.399 --> 01:35:16.760
you very much. Thank you.
All right, So thanks so much for

1113
01:35:16.880 --> 01:35:21.640
listening, and we're going to be
back next week with our guests Scott du

1114
01:35:21.760 --> 01:35:28.000
Shane, and we'll be talking about
living UFOs. It's a very sort of

1115
01:35:28.119 --> 01:35:34.239
organic type UFOs. It's really quite
a fascinating side of that story. So

1116
01:35:34.760 --> 01:35:38.560
all right, I want to thank
the people that help out with the show,

1117
01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:44.159
Race for chiming in and helping out, and also Alejandro and our guests,

1118
01:35:44.199 --> 01:35:46.439
of course, I want to thank
them all and thank you the listener.

1119
01:35:46.960 --> 01:35:59.800
We'll be back next week, and
remember to keep your eyes to the sky.