1 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:13,919 Anything to Sparking Mafia to podcast with your host to Abernatha let on, What 2 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,839 Up? What Up? Everybody? Welcome to an episode of the Sparky Mafia 3 00:00:17,879 --> 00:00:21,960 Podcast. My name is Paul Abernanthy, your host of the Sparky Mafia podcast, 4 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:25,160 and thanks for joining me today on this episode. I like to say 5 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:31,079 this is the pre episode. This is the precursor to a live stream that 6 00:00:31,079 --> 00:00:39,359 we're doing later on today and it pertains to a restructuring of the National Electrical 7 00:00:39,359 --> 00:00:42,439 Code and I wanted to address some things. And you know, when I 8 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:48,880 do this at the Sparky Mafia Podcast, I can be very candid, right 9 00:00:49,079 --> 00:00:52,399 and I can just you know, say things how I want to say it. 10 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:57,000 And again I'll be a little more diplomatic obviously on my normal stream, 11 00:00:57,039 --> 00:01:00,799 but you know what, hey, this is the uh you know, this 12 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:04,760 is my time on the Sparky Mafia, So I get to to say whatever 13 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:10,159 I want to say. You better watch what you say now. I can 14 00:01:10,239 --> 00:01:14,560 say whatever I want. It doesn't really matter on this show. So let's 15 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,480 talk a little bit. Because there are people that post things over on TikTok 16 00:01:17,519 --> 00:01:19,799 and other social media as Electricians have been doing things for years and they're very 17 00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:23,000 resistant to change. And I'm not gonna lie I was one of them. 18 00:01:23,599 --> 00:01:29,920 Okay, I was one of those that were resistant to change. I'm like, 19 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,280 why do we need to change? I don't know enough about it. 20 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,799 Again, it was a lot of info all of a sudden, you're gonna 21 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:40,879 hear, whoa, We're gonna change the NEEC. I make a living on 22 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:42,959 the NEC. I mean you electricians make a living on it too, right, 23 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:48,719 because you use it in your everyday work. But you know, I'm 24 00:01:48,719 --> 00:01:52,840 sitting here thinking, why, you know, don't change this thing. Don't 25 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:57,239 incorporate this new structure. It's going to confuse And I'm used to quoting four 26 00:01:57,439 --> 00:02:02,079 thirty for motors and two fifty team for feeders and two twenty for calculations. 27 00:02:02,359 --> 00:02:07,400 I'm used to doing that. Why would you want to just totally f it 28 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:12,319 up? Well, I had the distinct pleasure. And again, everybody knows 29 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,960 I don't always see eye to eye with certain things, and you know in 30 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:20,199 the industry, and and I'm very vocal on that, and this is one 31 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,879 of those that I was like, I don't know, I don't I don't 32 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:24,879 know that I'm on board with this change. Why would you want to screw 33 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,560 with people. Then I got to thinking about it, and then I actually, 34 00:02:29,599 --> 00:02:34,719 and this is always the case, right when you attend something and somebody 35 00:02:34,879 --> 00:02:38,840 knows the reason why, right. You get there and somebody knows the reason 36 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:45,240 why, right, So you're like, Okay, I get it. You 37 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:47,560 still got to convince me. And there's still some loose ends that I'll talk 38 00:02:47,599 --> 00:02:52,599 about during our you know, live stream, but and I'm I'm sure that 39 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,639 NFPA will address it or other people that are in the know, I will 40 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:04,159 address it. And you know, but once you hear why they're doing it, 41 00:03:04,159 --> 00:03:09,439 it makes sense. And just to give some things about it that you 42 00:03:09,479 --> 00:03:13,280 know, when we're used to the NEEC and we're talking about the main eight 43 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:20,240 chapter structure, it's gone through a dramatic changes and adding new articles that are 44 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:25,360 kind of creating things like bloatwear inside of these specific chapters that are really not 45 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:31,879 modernized for today's technology that's coming along, whether it's the energy technology, wireless 46 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:40,360 technology, all types of new infrastructure that's coming and we're trying to take it 47 00:03:40,479 --> 00:03:49,280 and put it in chapters that have been around since nineteen thirty seven and really 48 00:03:49,319 --> 00:03:53,479 didn't have the technology. And so we're trying to slide it in and people 49 00:03:53,879 --> 00:04:00,240 argue about not being very friendly, document not easy to maneuver all this kind 50 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,159 of stuff. Yet now there, we're going to change it and try to 51 00:04:04,159 --> 00:04:09,159 make it a little more logical, but we still have the haters or whatever 52 00:04:09,199 --> 00:04:11,360 that says it's no need to change. It's going to make it hard for 53 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,680 everybody. It's really not. So hear me out. Hear me out, 54 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:16,000 and we're gonna talk about this tonight in the live stream, but I just 55 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,199 want to do a precursor to that and kind of talk about things from my 56 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:25,800 chest because I was against this. I was outspoken. I mean, I 57 00:04:25,959 --> 00:04:30,800 gave it the benefit of the doubt. I think me and Schwartzey did a 58 00:04:30,959 --> 00:04:33,959 podcast or whatever where we talked about it, and we didn't understand it. 59 00:04:33,959 --> 00:04:35,800 There was things that we're like, why would you do this? Why would 60 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:41,920 you because there were things that were wrong with the original you know concept. 61 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:47,600 And to NFPA's credit, they listen and they've made changes. They let the 62 00:04:47,639 --> 00:04:54,279 stakeholders like NIEMA and other manufacturers and other people, you know, individuals that 63 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:58,839 serve on different pandemic. They listened to the input. And what we've got 64 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,480 is that they're making involving changes. They know that there was things that weren't 65 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:10,000 perfect. So this is what we're trying to look at is it's a lot 66 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:14,199 of undertaking of work that's going to take place, and it's starting now. 67 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:15,639 So people ask me. The very first thing before I get into some of 68 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,680 this talking about it is people say to me, Paul, why the hell 69 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,720 are we worrying about it now? This is twenty twenty nine. Well, 70 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:24,839 if you wait until twenty twenty nine, that's a published date, that's when 71 00:05:24,879 --> 00:05:28,800 it's out. So we're working on the twenty twenty six right now, and 72 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,279 at the end of the twenty twenty six inside of the codebook, you're going 73 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:36,800 to have an example of the new structure that's going to be in place for 74 00:05:36,879 --> 00:05:42,439 the twenty twenty nine. So that means that any public inputs or whatnot that's 75 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,480 going to be given after the twenty twenty six. In other words, the 76 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:51,680 next opportunity for you to make public inputs because we're already past that boat. 77 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,240 That boat is sailed now for twenty twenty six. Now you can just do 78 00:05:55,279 --> 00:06:00,680 public comments. So the next opportunity that you and I have to change things 79 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:05,839 in the code it's not going to be until the twenty twenty nine. And 80 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:11,319 remember we start working on the twenty twenty nine about a year after the twenty 81 00:06:11,319 --> 00:06:17,120 twenty six drops, so about twenty twenty seven. So in the twenty twenty 82 00:06:17,199 --> 00:06:24,360 sixth edition when it comes out, there's going to be a sample of what 83 00:06:24,399 --> 00:06:28,120 the twenty twenty nine structure is going to look like. So in order to 84 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:31,079 make sure that that is done, you got to do it now so that 85 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,519 it is ready to be inside of the twenty And there's a lot of things 86 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:39,600 that have to be taken into consideration. So the good thing about NFPA, 87 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:45,480 and it's what I have said before, unlike other type of standards development organizations, 88 00:06:46,079 --> 00:06:50,000 NFPA is asbout as transparent as you can get. I get it. 89 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,439 People out there say it's not and whatever, and you know, they can, 90 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,000 you know, do all this and that, but I mean, at 91 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,839 the end of the day, it's about the best system we have. And 92 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:10,040 so they're giving the stakeholders an opportunity to give comment, give suggestions, you 93 00:07:10,079 --> 00:07:14,639 know, and if they're if they're suggestions, they have merit. And I'm 94 00:07:14,639 --> 00:07:16,120 gonna be honest with you, they did listen to some of the stuff that 95 00:07:16,199 --> 00:07:21,360 I submitted, others submitted to NIMA, and then NIMA submitted it members excuse 96 00:07:21,399 --> 00:07:26,040 me, admit it submitted it to n FPA. And I know that this 97 00:07:26,079 --> 00:07:31,560 took place because I remember when it first came out versus what was presented to 98 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:39,720 me at the first draft meeting. It looked different, and so in ours. 99 00:07:39,759 --> 00:07:46,360 It was being presented to us UH and by people from the correlating Committee. 100 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,199 And when they did that, it it made more sense. I was 101 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,360 like, Okay, well, I see where they're going now, I see 102 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:55,399 what their vision is. At first, I thought it was just, you 103 00:07:55,439 --> 00:07:59,639 know, a one man's mission to have a legacy. I mean, I'm 104 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,079 honest with you. I was like that. I was like, okay, 105 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,560 there's a certain individual who want this to be his legacy. But that was 106 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:11,720 wrong of me. That was again Paul's negativeness on this, because now that 107 00:08:11,839 --> 00:08:15,920 I step back and I look at it, and I'm like, it takes 108 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:24,480 visionary thought to see that our technology in our industry is changing so much. 109 00:08:24,279 --> 00:08:28,279 I mean, look at this, the equipment we have now, the interaction, 110 00:08:28,399 --> 00:08:31,879 the wireless, everything that we do, the new fault managed type of 111 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:37,840 I mean, everything is evolving. So rapidly now that a structure that was 112 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:43,080 created in nineteen thirty seven, that all we're doing is trying to drop things 113 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:48,919 in and where we think it needs to be. It's not adequate for the 114 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,519 future, so think of it this way. But I'll kind of talk about 115 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,879 what's changed over the last you know, eighty plus years, and again we'll 116 00:08:56,919 --> 00:08:58,879 talk about this near in the live stream, but I'm just kind of doing 117 00:08:58,879 --> 00:09:03,440 a recursor here to kind of tell you what it is. You can choose 118 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,879 whether you want to join me tonight or not. And I'm feeling under the 119 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:09,080 weather today, so bear with me. I woke up sick as a dog, 120 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:13,679 so I'm feeling a little better, but I have a headache. So 121 00:09:13,759 --> 00:09:16,879 I'm going to try to get through this and hopefully I'll be better by the 122 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:24,960 stream tonight. If you think about the changing or rapidly changing it's been, 123 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,600 nineteen thirty seven is when the current structure that we have with the eight chapters 124 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:35,879 came about. And when you think about that, and of course Article ninety 125 00:09:35,919 --> 00:09:39,240 wasn't introduced until nineteen fifty nine edition, so that's even later, so we 126 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:45,840 didn't really have an introduction, okay, and to you know, formally Article 127 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:50,320 ninety until nineteen fifty nine, so some years, some years later, you 128 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,320 know, in our lifetime, in my lifetime, I was not around in 129 00:09:54,399 --> 00:09:56,879 nineteen thirty seven. So when we make this structural change and I feel I'm 130 00:09:56,919 --> 00:10:00,879 a part of it. I teach the code, I've written, books, 131 00:10:00,879 --> 00:10:07,000 I've done, I'm a part of this industry in my life cycle. Okay, 132 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:11,279 I have given to the industry. You've given to the industry. Why 133 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,480 is this a big deal? Because life has little milestones and then we die. 134 00:10:16,279 --> 00:10:20,000 I mean, let's face it, we die wherever you believe you go. 135 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:26,279 It doesn't matter. We're all going to die. So you know, 136 00:10:26,399 --> 00:10:28,320 people get awards, people get this and that, and they are nice. 137 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:35,399 But having the opportunity to be involved in a structuring of a document, and 138 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,720 that's why I love doing public inputs and because I feel like I'm part of 139 00:10:39,759 --> 00:10:43,679 that document. That's why I enjoyed serving on the code making panels for a 140 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:46,320 link I did. I feel like I'm giving back to the document. Now. 141 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:50,039 Obviously, if you're not on the panels, you're going forward. Your 142 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,240 name will come out, but it doesn't matter. The work you did lives 143 00:10:52,279 --> 00:10:58,720 on, so you most of you that are listening to this were not around 144 00:11:00,279 --> 00:11:03,759 in nineteen thirty seven, And if you were born in nineteen thirty seven, 145 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:05,639 it's chances are you a toddler. You're having nothing to do with the NEEC. 146 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:13,720 So there's nobody living today that I can't aware of that were involved in 147 00:11:13,799 --> 00:11:18,000 the first development of the structure that we have now, Nobody that I know 148 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:22,519 of that would be living. So if you think of it that way, 149 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:28,039 this is your opportunity to have something that's restructured that you at least give your 150 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:31,799 input, whether they take it or not, you're involved in it. If 151 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,080 you say you don't give a shit, then you really don't give a shit. 152 00:11:37,159 --> 00:11:39,559 And to be honest with you, to the industry, you don't matter. 153 00:11:39,279 --> 00:11:43,320 Just go do your work, get your paycheck, go home. You 154 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:48,879 don't matter. But if you use the NEC as part of your career, 155 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:56,480 it's the document that your minimum safety standards based on, then it's this is 156 00:11:56,519 --> 00:12:01,519 a big deal now, not because we're changing the technical Okay, so that's 157 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:07,399 another misconception. It's not a change of the technical data. That process is 158 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,159 still going to be the same. You're still going to put public inputs and 159 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:13,360 change the code, and you need to be involved. This is a structural 160 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:18,360 change. Now, I had people that commented on other people's stuff on TikTok, 161 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:22,840 which is a worst platform, but they commented and said that this is 162 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:26,080 not a structural change. This is not the first time since nineteen thirty. 163 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,039 They did it in twenty two thousand and two, they did it in two 164 00:12:28,039 --> 00:12:31,720 thousand and five, they did it in two thousand and eight. That is 165 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:39,200 a lie. That's not true. They might have rewritten an article for clarity. 166 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:43,039 They might have moved things around or restructured a specific article, but not 167 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:48,759 the entire document. This is a first, and it's doing it during my 168 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:54,480 lifetime, and so chances are there'll be another thirty forty to fifty years, 169 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,080 sixty eighty, one hundred years before somebody else thinks of changing it again. 170 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:01,600 So if we do it right this time, and we make it in a 171 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:09,080 way that it allows newer and evolving technologies, things that we didn't know existed 172 00:13:09,159 --> 00:13:11,720 back in the thirties, much less the forties, fifties, sixties, and 173 00:13:11,759 --> 00:13:18,879 seventies or even eighties, to create logical locations for things to go to make 174 00:13:18,919 --> 00:13:24,120 it easier to explain, easier to navigate. So let's kind of talk about 175 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,039 some of the things. So one of the things that is important to remember, 176 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:35,440 take chapter four. Chapter four had ten articles, that's it in nineteen 177 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:41,279 thirty seven. Okay, it has twenty two articles now in the twenty twenty 178 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:48,000 three. So it meant that we added twelve new articles and we had to 179 00:13:48,039 --> 00:13:52,600 try to fit them nice and neatly inside of a chapter four that was originally 180 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:58,879 established in nineteen thirty seven. It's grown, folks, and maybe everything that 181 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,799 we dump in chapter four really shouldn't be in chapter four with other things. 182 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:11,360 That causes confusion, right, Okay, what about chapter five? Chapter five 183 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:18,440 had five articles, folks, in nineteen thirty seven. Now in the twenty 184 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:24,080 twenty three edition of the National Electric Code has twenty seven articles. That's chapter 185 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:30,159 five, folks, that's within five, six and seven. These are special 186 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:35,120 occupancies, special equipment, things like that that, to be honest with you 187 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:41,679 today, is not so damn special. It's every day. It's the norm. 188 00:14:41,919 --> 00:14:46,000 So why confuse people and call it special anything. It's the norm. 189 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:52,759 Okay, So twenty seven articles in the current twenty twenty three versus five back 190 00:14:52,799 --> 00:15:01,159 when this structure was created in nineteen thirty seven. That is reduction of articles, 191 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:05,559 and it has a lot to do with expanding and changing technology and how 192 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:09,279 we use things and we learn about things that we didn't know was a problem. 193 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:16,080 We're always evolving. Okay, So what about chapter six. It was 194 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:22,279 seven articles in nineteen thirty seven, it's twenty seven articles in the twenty twenty 195 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:28,480 three. Again, a major dump of twenty new articles in that period of 196 00:15:28,519 --> 00:15:33,440 time. And there's nothing to say that that's gonna stop, because technology now 197 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:39,399 is rapidly changing, with people like Elon Musk and and you know who's a 198 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:45,120 forward thinker and coming up with technologies and things, and all the manufacturers now 199 00:15:45,759 --> 00:15:50,120 are getting to the point where the technology is getting amazing, whether it's wireless. 200 00:15:50,159 --> 00:15:54,000 You know, Tesla's gonna roll back around in his grave and go, 201 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,399 dude, I talked about all these things many years ago, and now y'all 202 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:00,960 are acting like it's the latest thing since sliced bread. I was talking about 203 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:07,480 that decade ago, well, nine decade century ago, Okay, So yeah, 204 00:16:07,919 --> 00:16:10,279 it'd be nice if Tesla was around a decade ago, then I would 205 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:15,679 have known him, right, So think about it. It's ever evolving. 206 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:22,320 Okay. Well, what about chapter seven? It was four articles in nineteen 207 00:16:22,399 --> 00:16:27,440 thirty seven. It's fifteen articles now in the twenty twenty three NEC. So 208 00:16:27,559 --> 00:16:30,360 every time something happened, do we say, okay, well let's just drop 209 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:34,000 it in chapter seven, let's just drop it in there? Is that where 210 00:16:34,039 --> 00:16:37,320 it needs to go. I don't know, this is just let's just drop 211 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:42,320 it in there. Okay. Chapter eight has grown from two articles in nineteen 212 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:48,039 thirty seven to six articles in the twenty twenty three. Now chapter eight with 213 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:57,919 communications and network power broad band and the premise power broad bands and all this 214 00:16:59,039 --> 00:17:03,279 two new technology that are coming. Look for that to explode, and what 215 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,480 are we going to do? Just drop them neatly in this one bucket. 216 00:17:07,559 --> 00:17:12,720 It just causes confusion for the installer. So while people out there are saying, 217 00:17:12,759 --> 00:17:18,640 look, I am, what's going to happen with people that are, 218 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:22,599 you know, learning the structure of the NEC now for an exam. But 219 00:17:22,759 --> 00:17:27,720 that's okay, learn what you need to have now to pass your exam the 220 00:17:27,759 --> 00:17:33,279 twenty twenty nine And even though we're talking about developing the structure now, the 221 00:17:33,319 --> 00:17:38,119 technical stuff's not going to change except for when people submit the normal code development 222 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,440 stuff every three years. This is a structural change, so it's a totally 223 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:48,279 different thing. So if you're not involved in doing the technical stuff, but 224 00:17:48,319 --> 00:17:52,279 you're an educator, you're a teacher or somebody, this is your time to 225 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,960 have be vocal and let NFPA know your thoughts on the structure, good or 226 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,400 bad. Okay, Now, I would not get nasty and send them something 227 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,759 and say this is stupid, because you know, that's like a technical thing. 228 00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:07,279 It's no substantiation for it. They're greater, probably greater minds than you 229 00:18:07,519 --> 00:18:10,720 or I are looking at this and saying, you know what we need to 230 00:18:10,759 --> 00:18:17,559 evolve, So think about it that way. Now. One of the important 231 00:18:17,559 --> 00:18:22,759 things that NFPA put out was a white paper from the Correlating Committee, and 232 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,799 I think one of the most important aspects of it, and I'm going to 233 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:30,079 read it to you, is something that comes directly from NFPA, and it 234 00:18:30,079 --> 00:18:36,799 comes directly from the Correlating Committee. It says the structure of the NEC plays 235 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:42,960 a critical role for person personnel in learning, understanding, applying, and enforcing 236 00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:52,200 the requirements established within this regulatory code. While the current structure, first introduced 237 00:18:52,400 --> 00:19:00,240 in nineteen thirty seven, has provided tremendous success and stability and continues to be 238 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:07,000 used by engineers, contractors, electricians, and training programs. The ability to 239 00:19:07,079 --> 00:19:12,319 be used by engineers excuse me, the ability to efficiently learn and quickly apply 240 00:19:12,599 --> 00:19:22,880 the and inspects advanced technologies and uniquely configured electrical systems is a challenge for all 241 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:32,279 electrical professionals. The existing ANYC structure needs modernization to continue to support the advanced 242 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:41,400 electrical infrastructure configurations and technology technological advancements. Therefore, it is imperative that the 243 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:51,720 electrical industry actively pursue a revived ANYCA organizational structure to support ease of learning, 244 00:19:52,440 --> 00:20:00,720 understanding, and applying the NEC safety provisions in a rapidly advancing new energy landscape 245 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:08,319 period. That is a quote directly from the National Electrical Code Correlating Committee white 246 00:20:08,319 --> 00:20:15,319 paper titled keeping the NEC Relevant? Is now the time for modernization? If 247 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:23,559 not now, when with the And I'm a big believer that this technology uh 248 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:29,200 that came out by Vault Server, this class four fault managed systems, and 249 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,640 and all of the stuff wrapped around that, and the new wireless technologies that 250 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:37,519 are coming, I'm we have to do it now. We have to we 251 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:45,079 have to do it now. Why kick the can down the road. So 252 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:52,799 the important thing for me is that we're not changing the technical part of this, 253 00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,039 right, And that's where everybody's kind of hung up on. Everybody want 254 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:02,759 that that is negative. And I was there too, her saying, well, 255 00:21:02,839 --> 00:21:07,480 dude, I'm used to remembering four thirty four motors and two fifty one 256 00:21:07,599 --> 00:21:11,839 twenty two for equipment, ground and conductor sizing, and I'm used to that. 257 00:21:12,319 --> 00:21:15,200 By the way, two fifty is not going to change. Okay, 258 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:19,960 it's it's still going to be two fifty the way it currently is being proposed, 259 00:21:21,759 --> 00:21:26,880 but there are other articles could change. And if that's the case, 260 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:33,960 then so what We'll have to learn it. People like me will do videos 261 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,680 on it and training on it. You'll learn about it, you'll start to 262 00:21:37,759 --> 00:21:41,960 absorb it, and then it'll be old hat for you. Trust me, 263 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:48,119 we can all adapt. Electricians are the brightest in the world. You will 264 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:53,319 adapt, you will learn. But I think that you'll see that it's time 265 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,799 to stop just dropping stuff in buckets everywhere and hoping that it's in the right 266 00:21:57,839 --> 00:22:03,440 place. This is the time. This is the chance that we have in 267 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:11,720 your lifetime, in your lifetime to be involved and have an opportunity to have 268 00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:15,960 input. So this brings me to why I'm doing the live stream. Obviously, 269 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:19,720 NFPA is way more qualified to do a live stream than me on this 270 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:26,720 topic. Okay, way more qualified than me. So why am I doing 271 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:30,480 it? Well? First of all, you know, I have a little 272 00:22:30,519 --> 00:22:37,119 bit of responsibility to people I educate. And secondly, everybody knows that that 273 00:22:37,279 --> 00:22:41,079 I was kind of against this change the beginning. I was, you know, 274 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,240 verbally like I don't know, I don't know, is this somebody's legacy? 275 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:49,640 You know, kind of normal, you know, Paul. And then 276 00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:56,160 I gave the benefit of the doubt to actually listen, not sit back with 277 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,920 my arms crossed being stubborn. At the Correlating committee, I got to hear 278 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,920 twice because I'm on code panel five and seventeen, so we had a presentation 279 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,599 on both and so I kind of went in there and I'm open mind and 280 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:08,960 I'm looking at it and I'm just kind of thinking. And I had this 281 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,119 epiphany as I'm sitting there, and I'm thinking, you know what, this 282 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,920 makes sense. How many times if we had to just jostle things around and 283 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,880 drop them here and there, and it may not have been perfect and whatnot, 284 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:29,279 And let's go on and have a stab at it and possibly get a 285 00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:33,200 new structure that is easier to understand. That positions things a little easier, 286 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:41,799 creates a hierarchy that's a little clear for educators things like that. The technical 287 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,680 part is that's you know, that's gonna be no different than it normally is. 288 00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:49,119 So we're not we're not mucking around with the technical aspects of it. 289 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,960 So again, it's not like ooh NFPA is creating something that's going to cause 290 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,559 more for the manufacturers. Stop that crap, please just stop it, grow 291 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,160 up. That's not what this is about. This is a fundamental restructuring that 292 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,079 has not taken place since the structure was put in place in nineteen thirty seven. 293 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,640 It's going to be the probably the only time in any of you listeners 294 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:17,200 lifetime where you're going to have an entire wide, sweeping structural change, and 295 00:24:17,279 --> 00:24:19,440 this is your chance to be involved in it. Why wouldn't you want to 296 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,839 do it? As much as you gripe about the NEC, is it not 297 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:30,000 interlinked and intertwined with your daily activity as an electrician? Is it not interlinked 298 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,920 with when you're studying for the code you're using the NEC? This is an 299 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:37,680 important document. So you have an opportunity to voice your opinion, give your 300 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,960 comments, make your suggestions, keep your negative ninni crap to yourself, because 301 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:47,119 let me tell you what this is happening, whether you like it or not. 302 00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:52,279 Don't think that you have enough say that you can vote this now you 303 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,119 cannot. Now you can submit public inputs, public comments, justify get it 304 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,359 in the code. But when it comes to the structure, this is totally 305 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:04,160 under the control of NFPA. It's their document, folks, it's theirs. 306 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,359 You have input on technical you have input on the different things. But when 307 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:15,000 it comes to the structure of the code, NFPA, this ship has left 308 00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:19,519 the dock, folks. This is the oasis of the seas. It is 309 00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:25,240 already out to the ocean. What the NFPA is doing is saying that you 310 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:29,839 have an opportunity to comment. Because this is not written in so much the 311 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,519 ink is still wet here. You can still make changes, we can still 312 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:41,079 make suggestions, and collectively, our minds are great. Collectively, let's all 313 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:47,359 come together in industry, put your differences aside. Let's all come together and 314 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,680 again make this any c what we want it to be. Now we can't 315 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,200 take the technical and dumb it down so that a kindergartener can read it. 316 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,720 That's not the intent of the code. It's not an installation manual. But 317 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:04,079 we can do things to make it flow better, more logical. Will we 318 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,799 get it? Maybe maybe we won't get it right on the first shot. 319 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:14,319 I know, I'm you know. Maybe we will, But the new structure 320 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:22,039 is set up in a way that it's going to be easily modified as we 321 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,519 go forward, and it's going to be a little more logical to the flow. 322 00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:32,359 So with that said, hopefully you join me tonight this is February eighth. 323 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,279 If you miss the live stream at eight pm, then you can always 324 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,279 listen to the rebroadcast and then in the comments you can make comments on what 325 00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:47,319 you want to send to n f p A. I will make sure that 326 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:53,000 they get it. They will get suggestions directly, uh to the individuals that 327 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:57,519 that are dedicated to this directly, and trust me, they'll go to the 328 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:02,359 about It is just as high as you can get in the technical aspect of 329 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,000 the NEC so as far as structurally, it will go to the people that 330 00:27:06,079 --> 00:27:11,079 it needs to go to. And Nephew's post stupid crap obviously that's not gonna 331 00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:12,720 happen. I'll probably block you. But at the end of the day, 332 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:15,680 if you really care, and if you don't care, screw you. You 333 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:21,200 don't need to be involved. Don't even join the live stream. If you 334 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,240 don't care, then just don't care, you know what I'm saying. All 335 00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:32,920 Right, folks, that's what we've got so join me February eighth, eight 336 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:38,079 pm Central Time over on my YouTube channel YouTube dot com forward slash master the 337 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,039 NEC. It actually is going to be all my social media channels that at 338 00:27:42,079 --> 00:27:45,160 Master the NEC, So if you want to listen to the rebroadcast, it'll 339 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:51,119 be there as well, So check it out, folks. I hope to 340 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:56,720 see you at the live stream. Take care, God bless and let's get 341 00:27:56,759 --> 00:28:04,920 it done. You've been listening to Sparky Mafia the podcast with your host Paul 342 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,240 Abernathy. We'll catch you next time.