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This is the baseline, discussing the
hot button topics of the NBA. Welcome

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everybody, your tune to the baseline. Cali Warrenshaw discussing the hot button topics

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of the NBA. It is the
month of February officially Black History Month,

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and as always, for the love
of the game, for the love of

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the culture. It's always humbling to
be a part of that premise of what

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the Black History Month means. When
you've got two brothers repping discussing the game,

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a game that has been elevated by
black people, you know, even

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though it was invented by a white
person. To see us take it to

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the levels that it's been taken to, I think is remarkable. But it's

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not just any one person, it's
not just in many one community. And

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if you look at the global brand
of the NBA, you can honestly see

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that it has a global effect,
a positive effect, and it comes with

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a little entertainment as well too.
So it's out further doing. We roll

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out the red carpet to my man
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c my Man Mister want Shot Repping
out of Fort Laidaville, Florida, Happy

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Black History Month, brother, nice
way for us to uh to kick off

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the Black History Month season first episode
in February. Absolutely, and happy blackcatra

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a month to you and tall our
friends and fans of listeners out there as

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well too. BHM is an important
time of the year, but Black History

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is all year. It should be
year round celebration, but understanding that the

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month is when we will pay the
most attention to the traditions that the culture

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has kind of made, if you
will. But at the end of the

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day, you know we're we're here
to celebrate the sport of basketball. I

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mean, as you alluded to,
so many great contributions you know by from

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a global global impact that the NBA
continues to have around the world. So

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I'm excited as always man to continue
what we do here in the baseline getting

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in here for BHM and then all
months and everything moving forward. Absolutely all

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right, So before we get in
to our show, I wanted to make

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sure that we take a quick moment
to thank all of our listeners, to

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thank those who are first time listening
in, and to thank the basketball podcast

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community. Unfortunately, we did not
win the Best Basketball Podcast through the Sports

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Podcast Group Awards. That's okay.
I think we have We know that we

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won, and we know that our
listeners have won as well too. To

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be in the same conversation as some
of some of the most premier basketball podcasts

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that are out there. Shout outs
to the Draymond Green Show, shout outs

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to Old Man and the Three.
And then who was the show that that

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took first show? Not Serrano show. He was wondering I remember right now,

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but yeah, they Network. I
was forgetting his name, but his

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his Twitter name is network and he's
been around for a very long justin conception

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owned Jesus Wow, terrible. So
his show did a really great job and

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they've done, he's done. He's
done an amazing job, I think,

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working on ESPN, working at the
Ringer and everything he's doing here now.

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So his show definitely took home the
gold, if you will, and definitely

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shot shoutouts and congratulations and them for
sure, absolutely, And you know,

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we just I just wanted to make
sure that we highlight and and profile the

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fact that you know, whenever you're
being in consideration for an award, whenever

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you're being in consideration, you know
by contemporaries is a quality show. We

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take pride in that, and you
know, no matter what the outcome would

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have been, you know, we
felt like all of the work that we've

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been doing for as long as we've
been doing it, it's what continues to

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drive us in doing that work,
and so being acknowledged by our contemporaries,

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our colleagues, being acknowledged by fans
and people alike, it's made it worth

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the grind that we've been putting through, like we've mentioned in our Instagram posts

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and our social media outlets, and
we just want to thank everybody for putting

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us in that position to even be
in the conversation, putting into that position

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where there was an opportunity for us
to possibly win it. And while we

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didn't win hoisting a trophy, I
think we've won as far as showing people

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that, no matter what you got
going on on your every day, if

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there's something that you do feel passionate
about, something that you love, if

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you have a voice for something and
you're dedicated to making sure that that voice

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is elevated and spoken to the masses, it will be heard. And I'm

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just grateful that. You know,
again, we always give our kudos,

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but I think this is a great
opportunity for us to kind of give those

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kudos to the people who've taken the
time to listen to our show whenever the

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opportunity presented itself, and to give
us that opportunity to be, you know,

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on that stage to see if we
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big boys. Yeah. No,
for sure. I am incredibly humble I

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think by the experience in that of
itself, and you know, for all

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our fans and listeners who've been out
there, I've been rocked with us from

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day one to you know, year
eleven, if you will, we are

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incredibly incredibly humbled and grateful to have
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for this a single wish honor,
and I think as you looted so put

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so eloquently, you know, winning
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is not necessarily what it was always
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the recognitions to be to be honored
amongst our contemporaries within this space. You

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know, some folks who have and
this isn't initiated in any capacity, but

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just have larger names and we do
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able to accomplish you know, in
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you know, I think and Ess
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the Ethosi fuel as something that we
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proud of, but more so for
our fans and listeners they can be proud

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of because it goes to show that, you know, your support has propelled

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us into a space that we didn't
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So thank you to everybody who did
vote, and again, congratulations to

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the winner. And I want to
make sure we get it right. Six

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Trophies with Jason Concepcion and Chase Erano. They were the winners of the Best

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Basketball Podcast. So yeah, I
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to make sure to get their podcast
name right. Six Trophies. Absolutely,

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And listen, man, it's all
family. It's a you know, we're

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all part of, you know,
a family where we're helping not just you

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know, our own brand, but
we're also helping the brand of basketball,

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and we're giving basketball a viable voice
where you know, in mainstream media these

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days, it's it sometimes feels few
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suit it when it's based on ratings
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everyday voice so that it doesn't lose
you know what I'm saying, the importance

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of the luster for those who may
not be interested in all of the other

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sports that are out there, or
only just highlighting you know, the more

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attractive and entertaining aspects of the game. These other little nuggets is what continues

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to keep the game elevated in that
conversation space. So shout out to all

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not just you know, the those
who won, all of the finalists and

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that you know, it was a
page worth long of considerations, all of

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them with unique styles and perspectives of
how the game is discussed, how the

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game is covered, how the culture
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thank you to all of you guys
push us as hopefully we have been pushing

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you, and this is why the
community has opened up in the way that

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it has well said, well said. So yep, see you next year

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exactly. We already grinding this.
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show up on tap. You know, we got some news and what's happening

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in an association. We also want
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All Star Reserves that have been selected. As we're just around the corner for

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NBA All Star weekend, and then
we got what we call our mid season

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focus man. We're talking a little
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I think people need to be paying
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we think is the most dangerous team
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the playoffs. If there's a team
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played right now, who would be
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knock off the goliath in the conferences
respectively. So mid season focus man,

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that's our our topic conversation as well
too. So NBA All Star Reserves and

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midseason focus is going to be what's
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some news and notes. I wanted
to get your take real quick before we

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started talking about a couple of key
injuries that have impacted the NBA. It

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might also impact the NBA trade deadlining
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Over the last week and a half, there's been a lot of conversations

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about the New York Knicks, a
lot of hype being driven about the New

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York Knicks and the potential of their
success. And I know if people hear

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me talking about this, they think
that, you know, all I'm doing

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is sitting here watching ESPN and watching
Stephen A. Smith Orange of Blues Guys

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Baby Orange Blues. But I am
someone who is of a realistic mindset,

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living up here in New Jersey and
watching the murmurs and listening to all of

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the sports radio talk shows and all
of them who have now suddenly taken affinity

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because you know, football season is
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Giants, you know what I mean, no Bills, right, only when

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it suits New York City fans that
the Bills actually live in New York and

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want to, you know, bring
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I find it interesting that all of
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record with a very smart trade in
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from we are going to be a
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Right. They're good enough that they
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playoffs, and oh, I think
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think we can even win the Atlantic
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then I'm watching this game against you
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Lakers, And this is exactly the
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of fandomness that happens with New York
Knicks fans who don't seem to be properly

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in touch with the reality of what
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in a championship mode, to be
in championship position. It is not even

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about the Lakers and prime time TV. It is about the team, the

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team makeup, and everything like that. And I just wanted to get your

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take if you had the opportunity to
watch the game and all of the mummerings

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I'm sure you've been getting, because
you know how Miami Heat fans would be

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like, oh of a sudden,
we chop liver, like we're not considered

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serious contenders down here, just because
we've had, you know, a couple

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of dips in our you know,
losses, some ugly losses, things that

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nature Like I just don't understand,
Like, why is it so that Knicks

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fans tend to just elevate their team
because they have a ten game above five

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hundred record, a fourteen game above
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that can make a run, no
question, all of a sudden, saying

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that we can start taking things that
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the right to have that conversation.
Just yet, at the end of the

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day, we know what it is
I think New York fans are one of

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their more for both fan bases out
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but I think in sports in general. There's a lot of excitement when the

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Knicks are good. So their fan
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if you will, and they run
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I think while we're trying to be
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summs of reality, like and hey, prove it before you go and make

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these proclamations, right, that's what
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in a lot of ways. And
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completely get it. But I also
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and I know this show because we've
seen this with the Boss and Celtics.

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You're not just playing with the fandom
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And history is reflective that the New
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in almost fifty something plus years,
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that point sort of speak for them
to even be in that conversation, when

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have they even been in the Eastern
Conference finals? Right? When have they

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been in the NBA? Right,
It's been the turn of the century.

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It's been that long, right.
I'm of the mindset when I start seeing

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you checking certain boxes is when I
start buying into the idea that what you're

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doing has sustainability and has elevated realistic
accomplishments that can be had. I'm not

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saying that I'm just skirting the next
season aside, but watching that game against

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the Los Angeles Lakers, to me, was a byproduct again of outside noise

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making it way too more than what
it needed to be, making it way

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too more than what it needs to
be for the players to do what is

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necessary for their elevated positivity, for
their confidence about how good of a team

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they really can't potentially be because now
you're squeezing everything in. It's confined,

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and it just sucks sometimes, man, because just as easily as we elevate

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them, they can very easily crash
and crash hard, and then no one

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is holding accountability. When these pundits, these commentators, these analysts, these

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fans come telling, you know,
just airing out their grievances about how disappointing

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this team was when they never really
saw and paid attention to what it's what

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was required, what's needed for the
team to continually be better, to be

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good, to be viable in the
grand scheme of what the current NBA looks

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like to be championship worthy. Well, you know, fun fact for our

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fans of listeners. So it's interesting
we're having this conversation because obviously we're going

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to talk about you know, surprise
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dark horse teams, et cetera on
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part of what I considered for the
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two hottest teams really in basketball right
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right you know, was looking to
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on here, you know, covers
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even get this level of insight.
But we're here now, right here,

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not so let's let's have the conversation. I think in essence for the for

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the Knicks and Lakers game, I
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into that. Remember no Anaobe and
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that they were able to pull off
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guys in their most recent streak is
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the testament of the team that they've
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when they lose, you're gonna say
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their full complement of players, and
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actually an All Star of this year
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I'm not going to read too much
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in the overall ethis of where the
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of and should say their fans are
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the season improve it and go into
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take anything away from them. I
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able to push the Heat to the
seven game series because to me, that

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series was done, you know,
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well, yeah, and so while
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don't think I don't think any team
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last year. And I think if
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of the changes that they've made in
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and as a trade deadline looms here
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show, they can still even get
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why there's this level of optimism here
right now. If Tibbs has a team

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built within his image, like truly
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coming back on the way Mitchell Robinson
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could come back at the end of
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has been able to do, and
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for them, right Not to mention, obviously, the conversations around Chillon Brunston

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and whether or not he's a one
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that at least for right now.
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comes back to the full his injury
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see why people are excited about this
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all fit what Tibbs wants to do
and if hey, they get the right

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matchup, and we all know it's
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next team has the potential to make
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but if they left around and found
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on how the matchups went, that
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think at this stage with how they
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in the place and listen, and
again, I want to make sure I'm

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glad you brought up this point.
I just want to make sure that I'm

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preface this. I'm prefacing this by
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team because I like the team,
right, I love the team. I

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love that they're actually making moves where
you can realistically see the team's improvement as

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you go through the season. The
fact that you can have guys out there

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competing when you don't have your full
roster tells you more about how dangerous the

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team can truly be. But that
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catapulted to this elevated space of well, they should be among one of the

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top three teams. And yeah,
by record, but not by definition of

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saying that they know how to beat
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They know how to beat the Sixers
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how to beat the heat in a
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those are the teams who have constantly
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semi finals in the Eastern Conference Finals. So until I see sustained success,

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whether you want to use the regular
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playoff records, is a depiction of
what the team needs to look like to

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beat those teams. I'm gonna air
on the side of their good to be

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among one of the teams to put
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they can give themselves the best chance
to win those series. But under those

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circumstances, should we be elevating them
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conversations and saying, oh, well, what if Lebron James is available,

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why do you need Lebron James?
You know what I'm saying. If you

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believe in the guys that you have, then make sure that those guys are

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good, right, and get more
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with those are your guys right when
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and then you've got heart and Devincenzo. I'm not saying that if a

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guy isn't really good and he's available
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ton of capital to do it.
What I'm saying is is, don't get

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caught in the glamour and the glitz
of what the trade deadline can offer and

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throw pieces in there that's throwing off
what it's supposed to be being built up

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as your core team. You know
what I'm saying, Like, if you

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at this point, if you're not
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this, then fine, any packages
you have, you're saying you are getting

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you a Kevin Durant type person to
replace what Julius Randall has given you,

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which you better make sure it works. You better make sure that TIBs makes

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it work, because then what are
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that to me is the part that
irritates me more than anything is the unrealistic

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thought process that fans put. The
whole idea that the Knicks have to go

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through when you're watching it being exactly
the way that they did in the nineties,

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right, and I agreed, you
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is what I'm saying, and it's
just it's befuddling to me that even sports

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media here in New York are just
so egregiously out real unrealistic about what they're

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trying to make the Knicks do that
they don't have to be doing right now.

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week with the Knicks, as you
alluded to, the over exuberance to maybe

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to even some of the casting of
doubt of saying, listen, we're getting

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ahead of ourselves a little bit too, as you like to say, you

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know, getting ahead of our skis. Right at the end of the day,

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let the season play out. I
don't know that they're going to do

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anything drastic at the trade deadline.
I think there was one or two names

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out there that could have been potentially
available in terms of big name pieces that

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they could have looked to acquire,
and I don't think anything is going to

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happen in that space. Right one
guy is injured and then the thing,

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one guy is on another team that's
doing just as well in them in Cleveland.

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So you know, I think the
Knicks are gonna more or less stand

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pat with in terms of star making
moves and maybe they make some things on

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the edges, maybe Malcolm Brogden to
back up Jalen Brunson. You know,

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it's all him said. They no
longer have quickly, you know, coming

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off the bench, something along those
lines. Something that could be a really

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you know, Tiger Woods fist pump, solid move, but nothing that's gonna

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be like, oh my god.
You know, they've they've changed the entire

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course of the Eastern Conference and the
NBA by this star coming in, and

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I think that's the path for them. They want to give this group a

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chance to really kind of prove it
to themselves, and I think TIBs and

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company will allow that to happen,
especially once they get everybody back healthy.

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Absolutely your tunes to the baseline Cali
Warrenshaw discussing the hot button topics of the

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NBA and our topic mid focus man, Right, Like, all right,

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so you mentioned that the other team
that I think people need to pay attention

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to and look out for are the
Cleveland Cavaliers, And I'm glad you brought

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that team up, Shaw, because
ironically enough, this is a team like

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what thirteen games, fourteen games,
like I think like thirteen games above five

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hundred, right, now and they
are quiet Yeah, they are quietly you

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know, making putting teams on notice
that if they are the team, if

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they are a team that's among top
five right in the playoff running, they

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are a team that you don't want
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And they're probably not the same same
type of team that the Knicks handled easily

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last year, just simply because I
think there is a growing sense of confidence

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that this team knows how to play
together, knows how to compete together,

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and you're seeing it by these these
wins that they're putting up Now. Maybe

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the schedule has been a little bit
favorable for them to put that in its

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position, And I think when we
see on the back end of their you

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know of after All Star weekend,
where their schedule I think is going to

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get a little bit more difficult and
they're going to run into some a string

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of really competitive matchups that are taking
place, I think we'll really see whether

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or not this team has grown leaps
and bounds. But again, when you

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talk about matchups and how that plays
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the playoffs, this is a team
that checks all the botches boxes where they

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can be a matchup nightmare against any
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Cleveland Is found a way to survive
When they lost Evan Mobley and Darras

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Guard Garland basically within a day of
each other, or I think it might

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have even been the same dy might
have been hours later. For the weeks

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that they both were out, you
thought this season could essentially be lost,

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maybe Donovan Mitchell would be on the
trade block, and it took them a

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little while to to kind of get
their bearings. But you know, they've

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got a couple of G League and
two Way guys to come in here and

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contribute. Kris Vert has some hot, hot moments here too, but there's

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been nobody more consistent than Donovan Mitchell, you know, I think in this

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run basically playing point guard, being
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that they needed to do. And
then Jared Allen has really picked things up

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here over the last month. A
lot of the conversation can he and Mobley

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play together? Do they get in
the way, kind of like in the

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Miles turn of the Monta Simonis conversations, you know, some some years ago.

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Different different skill sets for both,
but again and just in terms of

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like, hey do they just not
compliment each other? Alan took off when

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Mobile was out, and I think
it's now Mobley is the guy who was

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to figure out, hey can I
play alongside you know, Jared Allen because

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he's he's really hooping this this season. To me, this Calvs team and

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more importantly with j. B.
Beckerstaff has been able to do on the

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sidelines, There's there's no I would
say there's not a better story, but

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I'd be hard pressed to find a
better story than theirs given what they what

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they've come up against two All star
type caliber players. Listen, front line

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is one thing. To have two
starters gone front the line up. You're

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talking about two, at least in
theory, all star talible player caliber players,

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mobly somebody who people thinking about defensive
player of the Year coming into the

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season. And they've just found a
way to get it done. Thanks and

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Donovan Mitchell, Sam Merrill and guys
like that. Even Max shouts that that

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signing has turned out to be immense
for them this this this season. I

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really love what the Calves have been
able to do in the position that they

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put themselves into. But they are
another situation because they had a really great

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one last year and then they got
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It was just a terrible matchup for
them. So right now the Calves

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are soaring and you know, listen, they can get as high as too,

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and if the Celtics stumble, you
never know, you know, could

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they actually end up the number one
seed in the Eastern Conference. But either

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way, right now they've sent it
to three as we're recording here today,

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and I wouldn't put anything past them
because I thought, bringing Mobile and Garland

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back, I was all right,
well, how is this gonna work?

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Even in a couple of games that
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far. Yeah, And I think
that's what you want to see. That's

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the whole point of the season,
right is being able to see how this

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team can can pivot when adversity affects
them, afflicts them, you know,

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there's no question that this is a
team that is playoff worthy, right,

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they will be successful. I think
what it comes down to is have they

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grown? And you know, we
saw this a little bit when Spider Mitchell

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was playing as with the Utah Jazz. You looked at the roster that he

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was surrounded by and with Quinn Snyder. I mean, he had those teams

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overachieving the first two years that Spider
Mitchell was a part of that roster.

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Yeah. Well, I mean it's
interesting that you mentioned from BEFO four because

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Cleveland, as you're discussing it,
I said, well, let me take

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a quick leak. They actually have
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schedule, sorry, so tenth twentieth
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so they could potentially stack up here. You know, a couple wins,

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Boston ironically ends up having the second
easiest schedule remaining, so you would figure

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if they do what they're supposed to
do, they can make their business conference.

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But everybody above Cleveland, you know
right now, they have had harder

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schedules and they do so the Cabs
are in a perfect position to get into

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potentially as high as a two seed, you know, depending on a lot

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of obviously a lot of things and
anything can go wrong at any given moment.

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But as we're having the conversation today
and yeah, if they set themselves

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up for what could be a potentially
great run, and all the conversation about

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whether or not Donovan Mitchell wants to
be here, I think that will be

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determined based on how well they finish
off this season and do they try to

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ultimately move him this this offseason.
You know that remains to be seen.

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But right now, I can't imagine
Donovan Mitchell going anywhere with how well the

408
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Caps are playing. Absolutely you're tunes
to the base Cali Warrenshaw discussing the hot

409
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button topics of the NBA are conversation
mid mid season focus. Man, you

410
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know what I'm saying with Jay z
and through teams that we think are probably

411
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gonna be the most dangerous and the
ones you want to pay attention to.

412
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:15.880
So with that being said, shall
let's go to the Western Conference? Right?

413
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.960
Which teams do we think are going
to be the most dangerous and that

414
00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:23.400
you need to pay attention to?
Yeah, well, it's the most dangerous

415
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:26.759
team to me is a team that's
also the most surprising team right now,

416
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:32.039
and I think it's Oklahoma City Thunder
and not just trying to ride the proverbial

417
00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:37.279
wave, right, but the biggest
caveat hair is youth and the experience and

418
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:41.200
have they been there before? But
you have a legitimate MVP candidate. They

419
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:45.920
are. They are basically eight nine
deep throughout. They have the requisite shooting,

420
00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.799
They play defense. Yes, they
can. You lose a little bit

421
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.599
more size and a little bit more
girth I think in the middle. And

422
00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:55.039
maybe that gets addressed to the trade
deadline. But to me, okay See

423
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:59.799
is equally the most surprising and and
and easily the most dangerous team. I

424
00:27:59.839 --> 00:28:02.839
think going into this year, the
Ray manner of this year again, assuming

425
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:07.599
everything stays healthy, Chad has been
phenomenal as a room protector. Skinny as

426
00:28:07.599 --> 00:28:10.400
he is, he's been a great
to turn inside there so they can get

427
00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:14.119
a little bit more beef, but
to back him up or to play alongside

428
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.039
him, the sky is really the
limit for them. Man. And as

429
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:18.880
I said going into the season,
you know, I'm a big friend of

430
00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:22.759
you know, Jay Dubb, you
know that Jilly Williams uh and you were

431
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:26.079
you were a little skeptical of my
guy. But he is a certified bucket

432
00:28:26.079 --> 00:28:27.359
getterer. I know he's got a
little ankle thing going on right now,

433
00:28:29.000 --> 00:28:32.920
but he he gives that team another
dimension, and lou Dort just becomes like

434
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:36.559
superfluous. They don't even He's just
kind of out there and yeah, he's

435
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:38.759
just kind of playing defense. Yeah, you know that's my young son.

436
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:44.039
You know that's my young son,
right, And but I think Jay Dubb

437
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:48.160
has regulated him to really just a
complimentary role, like Dort is not thrust

438
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:52.079
into some role that he'd be miscast
for. And I think that has all

439
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:55.039
the makings of a of a really
good basketball team. Not to mention Giddy,

440
00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:57.480
who's just kind of hey, I'll
get so I'll score every now and

441
00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:00.079
then, but I'm here going to
try to distribute, you know, rebound,

442
00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.319
push the tempo a little bit.
Yes, he's a little bit of

443
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:06.559
a liability on the on the three
point arc. But ultimately, Giddy I

444
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:10.920
think has another level that he's not
even having to reach out because Williams SGA

445
00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:14.680
and should have been so great.
Look, man, I love Lou Dork.

446
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.599
He he is a bulldog man.
And I think you remember when we

447
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:22.799
had this conversation a couple of weeks
ago, how I believe that the two

448
00:29:22.799 --> 00:29:29.400
way player in many regards are caught
in a crosswords is deciding about you know

449
00:29:29.519 --> 00:29:33.839
what where should they continue to hitch
their wagon in order to be relevant to

450
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:38.240
the contributions that they're making to their
teams. As you get older, obviously

451
00:29:38.319 --> 00:29:41.759
there's certain aspects of your game that
becomes a little bit more diminished. And

452
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:48.400
if the system that you're playing in
tends to put you in a compromising position,

453
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:49.960
meaning you know, you're not able
to keep up with these younger guys,

454
00:29:51.039 --> 00:29:52.960
you're not able to elevate us over
some of these guys, you're not

455
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:56.160
able to defend and stay on some
of these guys, it puts you in

456
00:29:56.200 --> 00:29:59.240
a bad light, making it seem
like, oh, you know, you're

457
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:03.039
you're done, You're washed right,
you're washed out, you're washed up,

458
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:04.839
you know. And I don't think
that's always been the case. I think

459
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:08.319
it comes down to the reliability factor
for what you do bring to the table.

460
00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.599
Whatever it is, you do,
do it to the best of your

461
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:15.200
ability. And we've always said we've
even said that about Drew Holliday, right,

462
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:18.200
And you can see how the Celtics
are utilizing him. They're not asking

463
00:30:18.279 --> 00:30:22.920
him to be a scorer, right, but he can score. They're asking

464
00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.160
him to do the dirty work to
show the younger guys and keep them honest

465
00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:32.599
about continuing to do that dirty work
for them to be a legitimately good defensive

466
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:36.920
basketball team which at times loses the
Celtics. And the same thing that is

467
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:40.240
being asked upon from the goal of
Oklahoma City Thunder is what they're doing with

468
00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:41.960
Dork. He comes in and he
gets you some shots. He gets you

469
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.400
some buckets, but he was never
supposed to come in there and try to

470
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:48.319
score you twenty twenty five points a
game. He gives you fifteen. But

471
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.359
everything else that he's giving you allows
that team to play small, to play

472
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:56.359
their style where they're imposing their will
against the opposition and not vice versa.

473
00:30:56.759 --> 00:31:00.799
That's why he's there, That's why
he's eating up an in a minute,

474
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.640
And that, to me, I
think is the mark of a true coach,

475
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:07.799
understanding his roster and maximizing what the
roster gives you. It almost is

476
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:11.400
kind of like masking, you know
what I'm saying, people's perceptions that this

477
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.920
team is a lengthy team, a
big team, But the players that they're

478
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:21.160
putting out there are assuming those roles
and are doing those little things that may

479
00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:23.960
not afford you the opportunity that the
trade deadline can give you in order to

480
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:27.519
fill in those those quote unquote weaknesses
that you need to shure up if you're

481
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.599
trying to make a legit run.
Yeah, And I think how they'll do

482
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.160
those things. It's not really upsetting
much of the roster itself. Is they

483
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.640
can maybe trade some truly truly end
of the bench guys, but they have

484
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.880
so much drift capital based on all
the air quotes tanking they did and then

485
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:45.480
also the whull that got back for
sh all that progress, sure, all

486
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:51.599
that progress they were doing progress,
call it that. So to me,

487
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:56.160
like they are just so poised to
be so dangerous And if it's just a

488
00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:00.880
matter of getting over the proverbial humps, if you will learning what it means

489
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:06.079
to truly play competitive basketball the beginning, middle, and deep into the playoffs,

490
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:07.960
that's going to be a huge thing. I don't want to just throw

491
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:12.559
that to the side or mention that
cavalierly like it's a huge situation and a

492
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.680
big thing that's hanging over their proverbial
heads once a playoff start. But to

493
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.279
me, like I said, they
have all the makings in this, and

494
00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:22.759
I'm just so enamored with the way
they share the basketball amongst themselves. There's

495
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.599
not like, hey, I feel
like I'm competing to be against SGA,

496
00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.640
Like Jalen to Williams understands, Hey, I'm the number two guy here and

497
00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:31.880
he distributes to basketball Too's that mautching
four point five assists this year, he's,

498
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:36.079
you know, right behind Gidea at
four point six. So the fact

499
00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:38.359
that you're getting that from your wing
player as well, in addition to what

500
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:42.519
SGA is giving and what Giddy is
giving, that just shows to me that

501
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:45.440
this is a team that has it
has their their proverbialation together. The fifth

502
00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:50.200
and offensive rating, fifth and defensive
rating, and second in a net rating,

503
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:52.240
just behind Boston ironically, So okay, see, he is definitely the

504
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:54.480
team to watch here for me going
into the rest of the season. One

505
00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:59.960
real quick question for you Shaw before
we transfer over to the All Star Reserve.

506
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:05.759
I was really curious from your perspective
playing teams that you find to be

507
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:07.880
the ones you say, I don't
want any part of them if they get

508
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:13.000
into the play in situation, who
are you who would you be looking at?

509
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:16.359
Well? I think to me,
I don't care how bad they played,

510
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:20.079
and I'm gonna start out west.
I want no part of the Warriors,

511
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:22.599
and in the playing situation, I
know everyone's singing and dancing on their

512
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:25.079
proverbial graves, and they're not in
the play in right now, right as

513
00:33:25.119 --> 00:33:28.799
we recorded, so they're they're twelve. I think something like that, you

514
00:33:28.839 --> 00:33:30.640
know in the West, right But
if they were to creep up, that's

515
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:34.160
not a team I want to see
the Lakers in the playing situation. Why

516
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.920
would you want to play Lebron Like? What what would give you that that?

517
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:39.880
Why would you want that death wish? If you will? And I

518
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:45.119
understand you can't fear him and you
can't fear Steph Curry, but that's not

519
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:47.000
a matchup I think I'd be looking
for if I'm any one of those one

520
00:33:47.079 --> 00:33:50.880
or two teams, if I'm the
one seed or two seeds, especially with

521
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:53.599
the one and two seed both being
teams who are young and have yet to

522
00:33:53.640 --> 00:33:59.079
have true playoff extended success right now
in Okay, see in Minnesota right now

523
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:01.200
that ends up being a Clippers,
that ends up being Denver, then maybe

524
00:34:01.200 --> 00:34:06.119
that conversation is different. But to
me, the Lakers and if the Warriors

525
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:08.159
end up getting their act together and
then then somehow in the playing tournament,

526
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:12.000
those are the two teams I want
no part of the Western Conference. Yeah,

527
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:15.079
I think they would be the ones
who is surely upset the apple cart.

528
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:21.199
So yeah, if you're if you're
a regular season team and you're in

529
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.599
the you know you're in the playoff
conversation, you want to do everything you

530
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:29.800
can to keep those guys as far
down the total pole as possible, like

531
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:34.400
literally out of it as as possible. You have no arguments there. You

532
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:37.119
know. It's kind of interesting too, Shaw, because when you think about

533
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:39.960
the idea that there has to be
a belief in the young guys that both

534
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:45.920
teams have. Are you leaning more
that Darvin ham buys more into his younger

535
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:50.239
guys than Steve Kerr? Or is
Steve Kerr using his young guys more out

536
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:53.960
of desperation, recognizing the writing on
the wall that he can't run with,

537
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:59.719
you know, the core group that
that's got him to this particular point the

538
00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:01.719
same way that he's done in years
past. I mean, I think it

539
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:06.320
depends what you're determining young guys,
right, and then the overall talent level.

540
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:10.039
To me, the kaminga of if
of this is highly it's clearly how

541
00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:14.559
the highest talented player of any of
the young guys on either one of those

542
00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:19.119
teams. So Kerr has no choice
really, he's Kuminga has earned those minutes

543
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.039
and is going to continue to get
those minutes, I think, pushing forward.

544
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:23.400
You know. From the Lakers side, it's like, oh, well,

545
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:27.639
you know, Jackson Hayes is a
young guy, I guess, you

546
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.840
know what I mean, Like who
we're really talking about there in that aspect,

547
00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:34.159
you know, where Ham is just
kind of mixing matching lineups just kind

548
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:37.440
of in general, young old,
mid doesn't really matter. He's just trying

549
00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:39.840
to figure it out to get them
to some semblance of you know, consistency

550
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:43.599
and in general. So to me, you know, the Warriors are in

551
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:46.239
a better position because they have better
talented young guys who they can put into

552
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:51.039
the lineup and potentially shirt some of
the veterans that they have there. I'm

553
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:53.480
really interested to see if the Warriors
line up right now as we're recording the

554
00:35:53.519 --> 00:35:58.800
last couple of games remains Draymond Wiggins, Kaminga, Clay and Curry, Like,

555
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.159
is that the starting five to go
with? Especially with Kaminga giving you

556
00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:05.559
that that that that fresh breath,
if you will, of youthfulness, if

557
00:36:05.559 --> 00:36:07.280
you will, but you know the
young rookie as well too on the port

558
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:10.159
Guardbodinski. He's a guy who gets
a lot of minutes as well too,

559
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:14.760
And I think he's been a god
said in a lot of ways. Curry

560
00:36:14.760 --> 00:36:16.599
seems to have really tanked him,
and he does a lot for them on

561
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:20.480
both sides of the basketball, even
from an energy standpoint, but also from

562
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.159
a play creation. So to me, Golden State's better equipped with their younger

563
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:27.960
guys than the Lakers are. And
the Lakers and in some ways understand that,

564
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.159
and I don't know that him has
a whole lot of you know,

565
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.280
bandwidth to try to do anything other
thing, anything different than what he accordingly

566
00:36:32.320 --> 00:36:36.199
has with what he has on his
roster. I think what's gonna be interesting,

567
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:39.159
Shaw is how those young guys are
being utilized, because right now you

568
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:43.800
can make the argument that Steve Kerr
has a lot more to play with uh

569
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.800
Kasminsky to me is the is their
Swiss army knife. And I think to

570
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:52.159
me he would be more of the
X factor that could that you would want

571
00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:54.800
on either of your team. And
I think Darvin ham is still searching for

572
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.519
his Swiss army knife when it comes
to the young guys that he could plug

573
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:01.719
and play with versatility. I I
feel like he's so refined by only the

574
00:37:01.719 --> 00:37:06.440
skill sets that his young players can
offer at this time that he has to

575
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:08.519
rely more on what the veterans are
doing for him to be able to match

576
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:13.639
up more with the young guys so
that there's something cohesive with Kerr. I

577
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.519
think it just really comes down to
Kerr reading the room sort of speak and

578
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:22.400
knowing where these guys can be,
maximizing what the Warriors need for them to

579
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:24.639
make the kind of run that's necessary
for them to be playing worthy. And

580
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:28.360
we're not even talking about whether or
not they're going to be good enough to

581
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:32.280
get to top five six teams in
the NBA. That's not going to happen.

582
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:37.440
But I do think that he can
get them right where even as a

583
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:42.159
play in team, the very worst
getting knocked out by the play in still

584
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:46.440
helps the young guys at the very
top of it is them helping Curriandos guys

585
00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:52.400
make one last run coming out of
the play in situation. Yep, Well,

586
00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:53.960
all remains to be seen. I
don't want any part of those teams

587
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:58.000
out in the Western conferences I alluded
to, and the E is to me,

588
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.920
it's the Florida teams. If Miami
and Orlando are you're seven and eighteen,

589
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:07.280
that's not a picnic for anybody.
Nope. You know Orlando, especially

590
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:09.000
being as young as they are.
And yes, you can say the experience

591
00:38:09.320 --> 00:38:14.920
is a question, but they have
size that basically all positions. They've been

592
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:17.760
battling and finding injuries all year long. So if they're fully healthy come playoff

593
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:22.199
time, you got to contend with
Paulo Bancaro and Franz Wagner and Moe Wagner

594
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:27.079
and Wendell Carter and and everything that's
happening I think within the front court and

595
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:30.039
in the back court for them as
well too. That's just the team,

596
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.159
especially with how hard they play defense, that is going to be problematic.

597
00:38:32.199 --> 00:38:36.400
And I don't think we need to
run off the Miami Heats resume with their

598
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:40.320
smulls trend what they've done no matter
where they're seated in the playing or wherever

599
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:44.320
they're seated in the playoffs. But
if they're in that playing line, God

600
00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:46.960
helped those number one and number two
teams because that is not a problem that

601
00:38:47.000 --> 00:38:50.519
you want to be trying to get
over in the first round. Absolutely,

602
00:38:50.639 --> 00:38:54.159
man, you are tuned to the
baseline Cali Warrenshaw discussing the hot button topics

603
00:38:54.199 --> 00:39:00.960
of the NBA mid season focus Man. Great conversation that we had about teams

604
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.199
that we're looking at in the mid
season, who can potentially make noise in

605
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:08.400
teams that you obviously do not want
to see in the play in situation or

606
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:14.599
even in the playoff tournament all together
coming up. We got some news and

607
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.320
notes and some injuries going on,
and we also need to talk NBA All

608
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:22.159
Star Reserves as the announcements were made, So don't want to miss out.

609
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go soon through some news and notes right

622
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now, Shaw, real quick.
Zach Levine, it's been announced that he

623
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:36.000
is going to be done pretty much
for the year four to six months ankle

624
00:40:36.239 --> 00:40:39.519
injury I believe, or ankle surgery
is going to be required. Yeah,

625
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:45.800
so what do we make of this? Obviously it's very disappointing. Even if

626
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:50.280
you're talking if you're a Bulls executive
or if you're part of the Bolls franchise,

627
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:52.039
now you know you literally really can't
do anything. If you do,

628
00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:54.679
you probably have to pull like a
Steven Adams. If your intent was to

629
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:58.880
move him. Somebody who's going to
be taking a chance on him is looking

630
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:04.639
at it long term past this season, h certainly a situation you know that

631
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:07.840
Zach Levine would have wanted, as
he's obviously trying to really weigh what's what's

632
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:13.480
left for the rest of his career
moving forward. I'll say this passpect You

633
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:15.559
know, obviously Zach wanted to come
back, seem like he was going to

634
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:21.119
acquiesce to the way the Bulls were
moving in the in his absence earlier in

635
00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:22.719
the year. So I guess he
came back and think was I think six

636
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:27.719
games, and he played relatively well
but was playing more team basketball and then

637
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:32.039
got hurt again. Uh. It
sucks not only for his short term perspectives,

638
00:41:32.119 --> 00:41:35.880
but I think also now, as
you alluded to, it's a major

639
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:38.199
name, a big name that probably
now does not get moved at the deadline.

640
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:42.400
I say probably, because anything can
obviously still happen. But I think

641
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:44.920
even from the excitement of like,
all right, well, where could have

642
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:49.400
his next destination been and could he
have impacted winning wherever that goes? Wherever

643
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:52.400
that was, we probably won't.
We won't know that now until next year,

644
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:54.960
and that's whether that's in Chicago or
elsewhere. So we wish Zach obviously

645
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:58.920
is speed of recovery, but just
to get lost season for this young man.

646
00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:01.480
I think they wants to prove that
he's not an empty contaries type of

647
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:05.679
guy, but will not give that
opportunity the rest of the season. Yeah,

648
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:08.760
it really sucks Joel Embiid. It's
been reported that he does have a

649
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:14.320
a torn meniscus, so you know
he's going to be out for some significant

650
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.960
amount of time. You know,
if the seventy six ers currently a believer,

651
00:42:19.119 --> 00:42:22.039
second in the Eastern Conference, and
you know, I don't know how

652
00:42:22.119 --> 00:42:25.159
much they they've been. They have
been dropped all the way down to fifth

653
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:30.920
as this recordings, as we're as
we're recording this show. So you have

654
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.840
to feel bad for you know,
not not just in bid, but you

655
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.800
just have to feel bad for the
organization and the team. I know it's

656
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:42.559
a it's a big, big ask, you know, for Tyresse Maxis and

657
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:46.400
now fill in those shoes. But
again, this is a great opportunity for

658
00:42:46.480 --> 00:42:51.880
Nick Nurse, It's a great opportunity
for Tobias Harris, great opportunity for that

659
00:42:52.079 --> 00:42:59.039
roster to come together and you know, to make the most of the situation.

660
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:01.800
They've they've earned a little equity with
the amount of wins that they've collected,

661
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:05.400
and we saw how that impacted,
you know, a team like the

662
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:07.800
Brooklyn Next couple of seasons ago,
we saw how this I'm sorry, last

663
00:43:07.880 --> 00:43:10.760
year, we saw how it impacted
the Boston Celtics. So it's not like

664
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:15.039
it's all totally lost. Obviously,
the confidence that the Sixers can compete with

665
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:20.320
the Celtics or the Bucks or whomever
has certainly been marginalized. Compromise, no

666
00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:24.039
question, But if you're talking about
sustain success, this is a great opportunity

667
00:43:24.199 --> 00:43:28.559
for the Sixers is a team to
really come together and not just prove to

668
00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:34.000
themselves but also proved to Joel Embiid
that him being fully healthy and being ready

669
00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:39.719
to ride shouldn't unequivocally give people the
good feels that this is a championship worthy

670
00:43:39.719 --> 00:43:44.239
basketball team instead of the pie in
the sky that always seems to happen that

671
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.440
as great as Embiid had even last
year, there was no confidence that they

672
00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:50.760
were the team that was going to
be coming out of the East. So

673
00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:54.159
this is an opportunity for the players
themselves to, as our man Ryan Hollins

674
00:43:54.159 --> 00:44:00.400
it said, stand on business and
really show people that once in being comes

675
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:04.239
back, that is the missing piece, and this team goes where Embiid takes

676
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:07.280
them when he's fully healthy. Yeah, I'm a little more dubious and skeptical

677
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:13.039
I think than maybe you are.
There was a lot of conversation that they

678
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:16.400
needed to make a move with him
be there, and something needed to happen,

679
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:22.800
and again not superstars level, but
something on the edges now without honessarily

680
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:25.519
knowing how long embiid is going to
be out and then just how long does

681
00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:29.639
it take it the ramp back up, I think there's a little bit of

682
00:44:29.639 --> 00:44:34.519
a different tenor and it makes Daryn
Morriy shop incredibly more convoluted going into the

683
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:38.559
trade deadline. Tobias Harris sure has
the ability to play better than he has

684
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:43.400
been. I think you're seeing peak
Maxie and have been seeing peak MAXI.

685
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:46.039
But now he doesn't have his pick
and roll partner alongside him now for the

686
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:52.280
foreseeable future. So as defenses now
can truly key on key and as MAXI

687
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:54.639
as a guy, how does he
respond to that? Right? Can he

688
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:59.320
still average twenty seven a game on
the efficiency in which in which he was

689
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:04.760
shooting? You take out thirty five
a game? Twelve rebounds, six assists,

690
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:08.320
with two blocks, a steal and
thirty nine percent usage from EMBIID.

691
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:13.199
I don't know how you you can't
replace that, Like we know that I

692
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:15.800
agree with you. I'm not saying
I'm not saying you can. I'm not

693
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:17.119
even saying that you can. But
this is what I'm not saying that you

694
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:22.920
did as well too. But it's
it's hard, like when it's that much

695
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:25.960
of what your production is, just
trying to piece meal that out to other

696
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.719
guys, it doesn't it doesn't come
as easy, at least not in my

697
00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:32.719
opinion. Like that's a lot of
usage and a lot of scoring, so

698
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:38.079
their identity almost changes dramatically for the
next foreseeable however, many weeks in BEAD

699
00:45:38.159 --> 00:45:42.599
is going to be out to determine, right what sense of a team are

700
00:45:42.599 --> 00:45:45.599
we ultimately going to be? And
you were You're a spot on in terms

701
00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:47.559
of how does Nick Nurse coach this
up? Now? What do you have

702
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:52.639
up your sleeve to now put people
in different positions so that they can be

703
00:45:52.679 --> 00:45:54.119
successful? Do you rely on your
defense a little bit more? Do you

704
00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:57.559
so the paste down a little bit
more? In that sence because you don't

705
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.920
want as many positions going out there
because you don't have that monster and Embid

706
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:04.280
who can just kind of save you
with everything he does offensively and defensively.

707
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:06.400
Yeah. Well, the only thing
that I'm gonna add to your point,

708
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:08.239
because all of your points were silient. But the point that I'm going to

709
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:12.440
add to you is if this does
not light a fire in Daryl Moorey's ass,

710
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.440
because remember Darrin Morey got an extension, right, if this doesn't light

711
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:17.119
a fire in your ass, that
this needs to be addressed, and it

712
00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:22.440
should have been addressed. I don't
know what will right because the current expectations,

713
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.719
regardless of you looking for a guy
on the edges of Shaw, the

714
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:30.039
point is is that no matter what
you do, you're never going to get

715
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:34.559
one hundred percent Embid. Even if
you're trying to figure out a way to

716
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.400
get him back for this season,
you know you're not getting him at one

717
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:39.880
hundred percent. He may be healed, but he's not going to be nearly

718
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:44.199
the player that you even had last
year because this injury, I believe is

719
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.400
carrying itself back over from last year
and to wear and tear. You know

720
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:50.880
what I'm saying. Everybody's making as
much ado about the sixty five game minimum

721
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:53.400
and him, you know, losing
the opportunity to be NBA. And I

722
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:57.599
want to make sure I preface this
real quick, shaw. I think people

723
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:00.079
need to stop with this thing about
the minimum and the MVP awards and all

724
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.920
this that this has got nothing to
do with this, right this has to

725
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:08.840
do with you have Ligor arguably one
of the greatest NBA centers of our generation

726
00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:14.800
right now, who's been playing on
one leg for how many years now,

727
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.280
okay? And I don't know what
the motivation is for him to do the

728
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:21.119
things that he's doing to achieve the
things that he's achieving, but at some

729
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:23.599
point you may have to slow him
down and be like, look, man,

730
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:29.000
what's more important to you right now? Right this window where you can

731
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:31.800
actually get to an NBA finals maybe
and win a championship and at the expense

732
00:47:31.960 --> 00:47:36.360
we can only get you out there
certain times, certain number of games and

733
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:38.760
things of that nature. Or this
idea that you want to be the greatest

734
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:43.880
center and doing it, you're going
out there not fully healthy, not really

735
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:45.559
taking care of your body in a
way that's going to allow you to get

736
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:52.639
through an NBA season, And there's
misrepresentation about where the priorities are. That,

737
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:54.719
to me is the concern you think
about this, Shaw, go back

738
00:47:54.760 --> 00:47:59.119
and think about what the Golden State
Warriors had to do with Steph Curry and

739
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:01.480
the sacrifices they made it the early
part of his year, knowing that he

740
00:48:01.519 --> 00:48:06.400
had been playing with bad ankles,
and what they had to do in order

741
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:09.079
to put him on a path where
you're now seeing him in his fifteenth season.

742
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:13.920
If we continue with this trajectory of
Joel Embiid, He's not getting to

743
00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:16.440
fifteen NBA seasons, man, And
I think that would be a disservice for

744
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:21.719
us to appreciate the big man and
what he's been doing throughout the course of

745
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:23.519
his career. And that, just
to me is that's the part that really

746
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:27.320
sucks, and I think we have
to start recognizing it, even if it

747
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:31.280
means putting some extra bodies to alleviate
what he's putting himself through right now at

748
00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:37.079
the expense of not even getting to
a conference finals or even an NBA finals.

749
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:42.280
I'm going to throw two names at
you that I think are pseudo realistic

750
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.480
for Philadelphia, and you tell me
you know would if you're Darren Moray would

751
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:50.960
you be interested right the Jontey Murray, who we've obviously talked about a lot,

752
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:52.679
and the Lakers are pretty much lusting
after. I think at this point

753
00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:55.840
everyone thinks it might be a fourgon
conclusion because of the whole clutch situation,

754
00:48:55.920 --> 00:49:00.360
but the Jontay Murray and then on
the opposite side, Laurie market In wish

755
00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:05.119
one of those two guys marketing potentially
could be available would make the most most

756
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:08.519
amount of sense for Philadelphia Marketing because
I think at some point, I don't

757
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:14.159
know what you continue to do if
you still have Harris. Harris may want

758
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:16.159
to be there, but with marketing, you've got the versatility of a four

759
00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:20.639
or five kind of guy and someone
who can definitely eat up minutes and has

760
00:49:20.679 --> 00:49:23.440
proven that he is he is on
the better side of staying healthy for me

761
00:49:23.960 --> 00:49:27.719
than what I think your expectations are
going to be. If you're you're trying

762
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:32.159
to pair up this matchup with Maxy
Murray and and and say Embiid, I

763
00:49:32.360 --> 00:49:37.559
like more of where marketing is because
I think there's gonna come a point where

764
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:40.480
you're gonna have to have a front
court presence on the floor when Embiid is

765
00:49:40.519 --> 00:49:45.679
not there and marketing in can fill
that gap in We've seen the experiment with

766
00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:50.000
the two guard situation right now in
the current climate of the NBA, and

767
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:52.719
it will only get you so far
with the makeup of how the Sixers currently

768
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:57.280
look. But again I could be
wrong. I just believe a little bit

769
00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:00.320
more marketing than I probably would with
Murray. Well, I can see where

770
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:04.719
you're going there, and I think
either one would make a lot of sense.

771
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:08.079
You just worry if does Murray become
an issue for MAXI doesn't kind of

772
00:50:08.079 --> 00:50:10.760
get in the way and the way
that But he's not James Harden, right,

773
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:14.239
so I think he can figure that
out a little bit better than the

774
00:50:14.280 --> 00:50:17.280
hardened max and hardened MAXI pairing was. I think a Murray Maxie parent could

775
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:21.880
work a little bit more to obviously
towards Maxi's to his favor if you will.

776
00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:25.119
But marketing does make a lot of
sense to especially with his his shooting

777
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:30.039
capability. So while EMBIID is operating
from the mid post, uh, you

778
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:31.559
know, you're not worrying about marketing
clogging things up, and he can be

779
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:35.679
a kickout threat for EMBIID as he's
getting doubled and we're seeing Embid having the

780
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:38.639
best passing season of his NBA career, So to me, marketing would be

781
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:42.159
an amazing, amazing get for them. You don't know if that cost him

782
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:45.559
to cost him Tobias Harris or or
not, but if they can get bring

783
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:47.599
marketing in or Murray, and I
think Philadelphia once ab he gets back,

784
00:50:47.719 --> 00:50:50.559
can be right there in the thick
of this, hunt Man. But I

785
00:50:50.599 --> 00:50:52.719
think they'll be two great potential editions
for you for for that team. All

786
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:55.239
right, we would like the sign
of that, all right, Callie Warrenshaw.

787
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:59.960
Based on NBA podcast Final News and
Notes, Shaw, Jared Vanderbilt,

788
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:05.440
he's on the injured injury list.
Big blows to the Los Angeles Lakers.

789
00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:08.079
Yeah, huge, huge, huge. We're still waiting to see how long

790
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:13.559
it is. Wellj puts out a
pretty ominous tweet and then reported on ESPN

791
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:15.960
as well that this could be season
ending. So I need to get the

792
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:20.880
news on that ultimately. But I
think I was reading something Darvin Ham was

793
00:51:20.880 --> 00:51:22.920
talking to ad It was just like, at this point, like they're just

794
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:27.880
laughing at how much they've been injured, and they've had a lot of stuff

795
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:29.800
going on. They're not the most
injured team. In the league. But

796
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:32.480
I think just in terms of virtue
to where they are, what their expectations

797
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:36.840
were, those injuries have hurt them
in a way that they just clearly didn't

798
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:38.920
expect. But to me, nobody's
been more snak bitten than Memphis. But

799
00:51:38.960 --> 00:51:43.400
at the end of the day,
hopefully Vanderbilt is not done for the season.

800
00:51:43.599 --> 00:51:45.679
Seems like he's going to a significant
time one way or the other,

801
00:51:45.719 --> 00:51:47.320
and if the Lakers can hold firm
and at least get into that plane,

802
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:51.840
maybe he can return then and then
give them that defensive presence that he's been

803
00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:53.360
so known for throughout his NBA career
this far. Yeah, this is a

804
00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:58.559
great opportunity for again Darvin Ham to
really work the young guys in And I

805
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:00.760
think if you're a Lebron James and
you're that great leader that you know has

806
00:52:00.920 --> 00:52:05.039
always been touted about you throughout your
career, this is the time for you

807
00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.360
to start working with some of those
young guys. I don't think you have

808
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:08.880
to worry about Jared Vanderbilt. I
think that, you know, it's just

809
00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:13.159
a question of can he stay healthy
enough to be able to give you the

810
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:15.199
max effort that he's been giving you
all this time, you already know what

811
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:17.920
you're getting with him. But some
of these other young guys like Christy,

812
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.320
you know what I'm saying, Reeves
and these guys, they need the opportunity,

813
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:28.400
they need to work, They need
the gameplay situation playing next to Lebron

814
00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:31.280
because I guarantee you when it's clutch
time. I'm not saying that Lebron doesn't

815
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:36.480
an anad, don't won't rely on
Jared. I'm just saying that, am

816
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:38.239
I passing the ball to Jared Vanderbilt
when I need those clutch shots? When

817
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:40.599
you know what I'm saying, when
I need when I need for you to

818
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:44.960
make a certain play to put me
in the best position. I'm looking at

819
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:46.360
some of these younger guys and I'm
saying, hey, they're going to be

820
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:51.960
taking up some significant minutes, and
it's to me a lot harder when they

821
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.159
don't know what that's like when they're
not on the floor plane. So this,

822
00:52:54.199 --> 00:52:58.000
to me is why I think it's
just equally important that the Lakers use

823
00:52:58.039 --> 00:53:00.760
this time. If you're not going
to make a trade to get something of

824
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:04.840
equal value to what Jared Vanderbilt gives
you, then you'd better be making sure

825
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:07.159
you're working those young guys to the
maximum to get them ready so that if

826
00:53:07.239 --> 00:53:10.960
Jared Vanderbilt isn't available or is available, you can work with all of the

827
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:15.000
components you have and not just the
one player that's on the mend. All

828
00:53:15.119 --> 00:53:19.760
right, sew. Finally, let's
get into the NBA All Star reserves.

829
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:23.960
Announcements have been made. I don't
want to be labor it. You know,

830
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:28.440
you can't really be disappointed in in
who the selections are. But do

831
00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:31.920
you find that there's anybody who felt
was snubbed? Yeah, any of the

832
00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:35.519
old lat Edge. If this person
was stubbed, who you take off?

833
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:38.360
I get it. But to me, the Kings deserve some sums of representation,

834
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:43.039
whether that was Fox or Sibonis.
I you know, I think they

835
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:45.000
just probably needed to be there.
I wouldn't say if surprised Kawhi made the

836
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:50.320
team. I was surprised Kawhi and
Paul George both made the team. I

837
00:53:50.320 --> 00:53:53.239
guess if that makes sense, I
can see maybe one and maybe not both.

838
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:55.880
But the Clippers are ahead of the
Kings in the standing, so you

839
00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:59.320
know, if you're gonna reward winning, then that's fine. But the Sons

840
00:53:59.320 --> 00:54:01.639
are below the King and the signings. So but Devin Booker is a killer

841
00:54:01.679 --> 00:54:05.960
and you know he's he's a crowd
favorite, so you know those are just

842
00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:08.239
and Anthony Davis Lakers are way below
those guys in the standings, but the

843
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:13.000
understanding in terms of the talent level, nobody thinks Booker, Kawhi and Anthony

844
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:15.519
Davis are worse players than the bonus
for Fox, So I think in essence

845
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:17.440
why they got missed, if you
will. And then in the East,

846
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:22.000
I think Tree Young, you know, averaging a double double twenty five and

847
00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:23.800
ten, you know, double double
twenty seven and ten. I guess it'd

848
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:29.280
be exact. It is a little
hard, especially but the guards are crazy

849
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:30.519
out there, but it looks like
he'll ultimately get in there. I think

850
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:36.119
as a reserve with Embiid and Julius
Randall both likely missing the missing the All

851
00:54:36.119 --> 00:54:37.679
Star Game, so I think he
gets in. I think the question is

852
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:40.320
and who will be the second guy
that gets in that both of those guys

853
00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:44.920
miss and that could be Jared Allen, maybe that could be christophs Worzengis if

854
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:46.280
you will. You know there are
a couple of others in the Eastern Conference

855
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:49.599
who are well deserving Saudi Barnes too. I think it's been mentioned for that.

856
00:54:50.719 --> 00:54:53.360
This is the reason why I've said
that. You know, if this

857
00:54:53.400 --> 00:54:59.000
is about the game, okay,
right, understandable, Right, you're filling

858
00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:05.679
the roster of the game. But
why are we taking away or diminishing what

859
00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:09.679
statistically is a representation of players playing
at an all star level. You know,

860
00:55:10.480 --> 00:55:14.079
I think Trey Young's an All Star. Why do I have to worry

861
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:15.360
about whether or not you're gonna play
them or not play them in a damn

862
00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:20.559
game that really no one cares about
anyway, Right. What I care about

863
00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:24.840
is, and especially what players should
care about, is your numbers are a

864
00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:29.559
representation of the caliber player that you
are. When you sit at the negotiating

865
00:55:29.599 --> 00:55:32.280
table and they want to compensate you
for what it is that you did for

866
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:37.360
said organization or the next team you're
going to play for that they are properly

867
00:55:37.400 --> 00:55:40.400
compensating because they're looking at the numbers
and they're looking at what it means and

868
00:55:40.480 --> 00:55:44.039
what it meant to that team.
Right, And that, to me is

869
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:46.800
the part that just just burns me
more than anything. We shouldn't have these

870
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:53.119
kind of conversations about snubbing all Star
caliber players because what they gave you was

871
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:58.639
all Star caliber numbers, right,
they gave you those statistics regardless of whether

872
00:55:58.760 --> 00:56:00.840
or not you're on a good or
a bad team. Sometimes the position that

873
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:06.039
you're playing in and the organization and
the system that you play for doesn't afford

874
00:56:06.079 --> 00:56:08.679
you where you're standing out as an
All Star next to the guy who's playing

875
00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:13.360
with the team ten games above five
hundred, and you're there arguably the best

876
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:16.440
player on that team, but collectively
the team puts the numbers together to make

877
00:56:16.480 --> 00:56:20.760
it look like, well, we
would put all five of those players out

878
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:22.199
there, you know what I'm saying. So that's the reason why it just

879
00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:27.920
burns me at times, man,
because we are so far removed with the

880
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:31.760
way that the NBA has set everything
up that we can differentiate guys who are

881
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:37.679
All Stars and guys who should be
playing in the All Star Game. I

882
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:42.159
think we ultimately needs to happen is
that they just need to expand the rosters,

883
00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:44.719
and we keep talking about it,
keep talking about it, Just do

884
00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:47.840
it. You're willing to make so
many changes and throw away the old guard

885
00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:52.719
thinking, especially when it comes to
the even All Star and the voting,

886
00:56:52.760 --> 00:56:55.440
and now you have triple votes and
all these other these just kind of like

887
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:59.719
gimmicky things. If you will,
then you were trying to do the captains

888
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:02.119
or whatever. So why are we
limiting it to those twelve guys? We

889
00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:07.639
see people get left off this roster
every single year who are ultimately deserving and

890
00:57:07.679 --> 00:57:12.119
have the numbers in the case in
essence to be what are all stars and

891
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:15.719
what fans would even people who players
that fans would even want to see playing

892
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:17.320
in the game one where the other. So to me, a lot of

893
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:22.559
this gets sold if you just expand
the rosters to fifteen people regardless, call

894
00:57:22.639 --> 00:57:24.239
it a day, and then I
think you're going to get less of these

895
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:28.199
conversations moving forward. And I just
don't know why they haven't gotten to this

896
00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:31.519
point yet. Yeah, it's it's
amazing, just it literally is amazing to

897
00:57:31.519 --> 00:57:36.079
me. But I'm on board with
you with the snubs. I'm not disappointed

898
00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:38.320
with the selections. I think it
would have been a hard ask, but

899
00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:43.199
even I would tell you I don't
think Jalen Brunson is deserving of being an

900
00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:45.039
All Star reserve. I think he
should be in a conversation of being an

901
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:47.880
All Star starter. You know what, I'm saying with his conversation, he

902
00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:54.320
should be the starter popularity count right
exactly, And that to me again is

903
00:57:54.360 --> 00:58:00.480
what marginalizes and diminishes the importance of
the All Star Game because even before you

904
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:06.199
get to that point, you have
already sullied the interpretation of what is considered

905
00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:10.000
an All Star starter an All Star
reserve because there's no clear definition to it.

906
00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:14.039
And that's again, man, we
could talk all day long about how

907
00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:17.360
successful it may look like via the
TV ratings and the numbers and the popularity

908
00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:22.199
of the voting, but in hindsight, the long term effect of this shaw.

909
00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:24.880
I know we'll have this conversation again
down the road, but I'm telling

910
00:58:24.920 --> 00:58:28.719
you, the NBA needs to be
very leary of these type of things that

911
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:32.760
they're doing because it is going to
have long term repercussions about whether or not

912
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:37.920
people buy in the viability of why
we're even doing this voting process and having

913
00:58:37.960 --> 00:58:40.119
this All Star weekend and All Star
Game, the things that you want to

914
00:58:40.159 --> 00:58:44.280
highlight. People ain't buying it,
man, They're just not buying it.

915
00:58:45.119 --> 00:58:47.119
Well, I would to challenge you
in esensica. Listen to our guy Gerald

916
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:51.519
Brown on the bottom Line Sports show
and also on the ninetem Nion Network Heavy

917
00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:53.880
in the paint. He's been challenging
Knicks fans for the last couple of weeks

918
00:58:54.079 --> 00:58:57.519
since it's y'all's fault. So it's
interesting you started the show off, you

919
00:58:57.519 --> 00:59:00.039
know, talking about Knicks fans and
their overall exubers. He's like, y'all

920
00:59:00.039 --> 00:59:04.360
are in the biggest biggest market in
the in the in the world. Y'all

921
00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:07.960
couldn't vote Jelen Brunson in y'all couldn't
gather the votes to get Jelen Brunson to

922
00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:09.920
be the All Star starter where it
didn't even have to come down to you

923
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:14.679
know what it came down to and
and got Dame in there. So I

924
00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:17.280
think it's a really interesting, I
think test case in New York overall fandom,

925
00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:21.039
they're more excited about the team,
and they should be. They shouldn't

926
00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:22.719
care about All Star voting. I
guess if you will, But it's interesting

927
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:28.039
for as exuberant as they are,
that market wasn't able to kind of push

928
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:30.920
him over the proferbial hump with their
votes, so to speak. But maybe

929
00:59:30.960 --> 00:59:32.360
next year. But Jelen Brunson definitely
deserve to be the All Star starter.

930
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:37.639
But you know, Dame is for
now and hey, all all shouts the

931
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:38.960
name. He's playing good basketball.
See this is Hey, this is what

932
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:45.079
happens when you move a team from
Jersey into Brooklyn. They need to go

933
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.599
They need they need to go back, and they need to remind themselves.

934
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:51.039
You know what I'm saying, You
need to reach back into New Jersey to

935
00:59:51.119 --> 00:59:53.840
just start paying your paying, paying
your respects. Them Jersey folks be helping

936
00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:58.159
you. Sometimes you may not even
know it. You know what I'm saying,

937
00:59:59.280 --> 01:00:01.679
Hey, it's been you know,
I think nothing but awesome about it.

938
01:00:01.719 --> 01:00:06.239
So oh no, absolutely, he's
he's been. He's been first class

939
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:08.400
about this situation and all of this
hypeness. Again, man, you know,

940
01:00:08.440 --> 01:00:12.599
strip it down to what it really, what it what it shows,

941
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:16.039
what it resonates to. And again, you know, people need to start

942
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:20.079
looking at themselves in the mirror.
If you really want to understand whether or

943
01:00:20.119 --> 01:00:22.320
not things are being impacted or changed, look at yourself in the mirror.

944
01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:25.360
See whether whether or not you have
helped impact it or made that change.

945
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:30.119
You know, instead of jumping on
radio stations and yelping and complaining and pissing

946
01:00:30.119 --> 01:00:34.519
and moaning, you know, They
are very the same people that can help

947
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:40.079
other people outside of New York City
buy into the legitimacy of Jalen Brunson as

948
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:43.559
an All Star. You know what
I'm saying, That's how it all starts.

949
01:00:43.599 --> 01:00:45.760
Look, Damian Liller was an All
Star when he was in Portland,

950
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:47.840
for Christ's sake, you know what
I'm saying, He's an All Star in

951
01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:53.000
Milwaukee, right. That doesn't that
isn't just manufactured. He was a global

952
01:00:53.079 --> 01:00:58.960
brand, but it's incumbent upon the
fan base from that city to start the

953
01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:04.400
conversation, and at times their fans
out here they missed that. And then

954
01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:07.119
that's the reason why you know what
I'm saying, it's all orange and blue

955
01:01:07.119 --> 01:01:08.440
skies. I'm like, well,
get off your purple haze and start doing

956
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:13.480
what's necessary to legitimize the players that
you have and make them out to be

957
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:16.320
the real stars, all stars that
they need to be. Maybe next year,

958
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:19.880
New York fans, maybe next year, Maybe next year. All right,

959
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:22.039
man, awesome show altogether, shaw
a lot of stuff. We covered,

960
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:28.480
great content as always. Yeah,
what a way to start the month

961
01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:30.880
of February. My brother absolutely so. As always, I hope our fans

962
01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:34.920
listeners enjoy the show. Make sure
you're tapping with us on our socials at

963
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:39.400
NBA Baseline on x at NBA Underscore
based line on Instagram, follow Sports NBA

964
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:44.119
Parlimic game Face Lead. We are
so excited to have the conversation about All

965
01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:46.719
Star and obviously who are some of
your surprise teams, disappointing teams, dangerous

966
01:01:46.719 --> 01:01:52.920
teams going into the second alfagus the
season, but whatever, whatever we're currently

967
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:55.079
right now post All Star break,
let's go ahead with that. Who you're

968
01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:59.000
looking forward to seeing, you know, kind of maybe Hoists, Stary,

969
01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:01.199
aer Roar and Trophy come come June. So I'm excited as always, brother,

970
01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:05.199
and we'll have some awesome conversation.
And I know if we're going to

971
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:07.159
have the trade deadline conversation come up
later this week, special guests on tap

972
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.360
for that as well too, So
make sure you stay tuned to the baseline

973
01:02:09.400 --> 01:02:14.440
absolutely. One final thought, I
wanted to to make sure I throw out

974
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:19.239
there Sew and I, you know, we grew up in this generation of

975
01:02:19.639 --> 01:02:25.400
you know, great movies, great
actors. Just recently Carl Weather's Apollo,

976
01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:30.760
creed Man Action Jackson, That's who
I remember him, you know, even

977
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:34.280
though he was, you know,
remarkable as Apollo Creed, uh, the

978
01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:37.360
great actor passed away at the age
of seventy six. Just you know,

979
01:02:37.480 --> 01:02:40.239
just just sucks, man, you
know what I'm saying, It's just ironic.

980
01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:45.559
You know, when you see people
who have put together such a remarkable

981
01:02:45.639 --> 01:02:50.559
resume of work in their industry when
they're no longer there, you really begin

982
01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:53.639
to appreciate, you know, what
era and time you grew up in and

983
01:02:53.719 --> 01:02:59.960
how their presence had impacted you.
And I just wanted to make sure I

984
01:03:00.039 --> 01:03:04.400
give a shout out man to you
know, the Weather's family, our condolences,

985
01:03:05.079 --> 01:03:07.679
but you know, he was just
a great man all together. There

986
01:03:07.679 --> 01:03:09.840
was not one person I didn't see
through social media outlets who were given their

987
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:13.920
compliments, their kudos Adam Sandler.
You know what I'm saying, Like people

988
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:17.280
like that just giving nothing but great
memories and kudos to him. And he

989
01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:20.119
was such a great actor, man, I just want to make sure we

990
01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:23.360
didn't get lost on that. And
then I think that's an amazing way to

991
01:03:23.719 --> 01:03:27.800
you know, definitely kind of put
almost a cherry on top of the show.

992
01:03:28.800 --> 01:03:30.119
I definitely was a fan of his, of his acting, and obviously

993
01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:32.639
he grew up on those rocky movies
and what he was able to do.

994
01:03:34.440 --> 01:03:37.519
So, you know, as he
alluded to condolences to his family and those

995
01:03:37.519 --> 01:03:40.800
who remain, But I'm gonna take
us in one quick direction as well too.

996
01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:46.679
On a more positive note, Shout
out to our guy Jabari Davis put

997
01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:50.760
out on Instagram. You know,
former co host of The Baseline here,

998
01:03:50.800 --> 01:03:52.800
a longtime friend and family member of
the nineteen media group Family War one or

999
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:57.639
the other. You know, he
got the nuptibles situated this past weekend,

1000
01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:00.559
So we're excited for Purple and golds
guys. Baby, Purple and golds guys.

1001
01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:05.039
Put the tie on with the with
the purple and gold. You know,

1002
01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:09.840
air forces, I believe, just
just an exciting situation for him.

1003
01:04:09.840 --> 01:04:12.840
So shouts for our brother, you
know, our family out there and Jabar

1004
01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:15.159
Davis and his lovely wife. So
not only is he married to the game,

1005
01:04:15.239 --> 01:04:18.000
he is married to the Dame.
I like it. I like it.

1006
01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:24.599
Shout out shraw our man, Jabbari
man. Congratulations brother to you and

1007
01:04:24.679 --> 01:04:27.920
the family man. And listen man, we can't wait for you to to

1008
01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:30.239
come on, come on board.
And you know what I'm saying, Air

1009
01:04:30.280 --> 01:04:34.760
out, air out your uh your
what is now your union is your union

1010
01:04:35.079 --> 01:04:40.400
love. He'll be flashing a different
type of ring front exactly you know what

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I'm saying. Add that one up
to the band as my brother. Add

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that one up to the banner for
the baseline, Cali warren Shaw. We

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appreciate you guys, thanks for hopping
off board with us this week, and

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we'll catch up with you next time.