Hi, welcome back to give us Mark Neive, I'm Megan, and we're
depressed. We got the post show blues guys. It was amazing. I
cried hard, she did. Neive looked at me at one point, just
bawling my eyes out because you were like you were like next me, singing
along, having a good time. And then then like next minute I looked
out for actually you were like, is this so beautiful? It was like
a full like circle moment for you or something. You're just like, oh
my god, I can't believe I'm here. Yeah, it was that.
And then they were singing last Hope as well, so I could not.
I was so shocked. She sang that to be perfectly honest, really yeah,
it's like a good song. But I just I love the song.
But I just was like, oh no, she probably wouldn't play it.
Yeah, no, I know, but it. Yeah. My own bone
to pick is that out of the UK and Europe tour, Dublin is the
only city that didn't. It's the only city that didn't get all I wanted.
Thank you fucking Dublin is because of bullshit technical issues. Those technical issues
at the start, and it like derailed it for a few minutes, and
so I think they didn't have time to perform it. I don't know,
because they just were like because we booed hey at one point, well not
we Apparently she got booed because she meant she had a slip of the tongue
and said that Ireland was part of the UK, and maybe she was like,
you know what, fuck y'all. However, we did have a school
choir moment when she sang the Crimeries. Oh my god, it was absolutely
incredible because what it was it was like a mixture of old paramour fans that
were there form misery business and things like that, and the new fans and
but all of us share are obviously obvious not obviously, yes, of course.
So when she whipped out the acoustic atar and started just singing dreams,
everybody was singing it back to her. I have to say that was like
a moment where it's like, ah, yeah, this is what it's like
to be Irish. Yeah, like this is this is this is what it
is like. Yeah, it was a concert. Was amazing, Yes,
won't lie though, I'm I was so mad the next night when they released
the next day they like had released the setlist, the setlist was supposed to
be, and all I wanted was on there. I was like, fucking
shitting me, are you fucking having right now? Miss Williams. If you're
nasty, i am nasty. I'm bitter nasty because he didn't play Oh My
Wife. But it was incredible and then Zach did some half noise stuff.
But yeah, ten out of ten. If you ever have the opportunity to
go and see Power More Alive, even if you don't really like their music,
it's kind of just a vibe to be there. I have to say,
like out of the not all too many, but several concerts I've been
to over the years, she was up there like they were the band and
everything. They were up there with one of the greatests that I've seen.
Yeah, their energy is just insane and they keep going for the whole show,
show, the interaction with the crowd. Yes, their energy and everything
like and even like how they set For me, it's how they sound like.
It is their energy as well, but how they sound like. If
they don't sound the same, it's wrong. Oh my god. The music
itself, obviously on part always sounds so good. But her vocals for how
much she jumps around the stage. Yeah, I don't understand how she can
do it. Honestly, Kings of Leon would be my faith so far,
just because my favor in general, but like in live but I have to
say she like not just her, but the like they put on a great
show. They put on a good competition show. Like I was like,
damn, anyway, we've literally been talking about them for five minutes, so
so we'll just jimp ready. In last week, you heard about part two
of Good Old Peter. Yeah, I talked about Peter Sutcliffe and I went
into in the first episode of this three part I went into like his growing
up life and kind of mentioned his like first few attacks, and then in
the second part, I went heavily into his attacks and that's when he started
murdering women, mostly sex workers. And I also talked about how the media
really heavily focused on it being sex workers, like it was like, oh,
the media was like no sex workers, like oh, it's nothing.
Now it's nothing. And then I also mentioned just briefly about how the police
at this time that we're looking after this case, where'd doing such a great
job. They had like five million different sex dedicated to finding Peter Sutcliffe literally
like pretty much in every town that he attacked, like headquarters would be set
up to find the Yorkshire Ripper. And you're like, yeah, or you
could just all combine to one m and then there's no lack of communication or
anything like that. That would be great. That would be fucking fantastic.
It's actually, um, I believe not too long ago, like only a
couple of years ago, the police, like in the Yorkshire area apologized for
the handling of this case. I'm sure that wasn't easy to admit. They
were like, yeah, he could have been better. Whoopsie, daisies are
bad. At least nobody got her. Oh wait, never mind, at
least at least it was only it was only sex workers. You guys,
it's fine, clarification, We don't think like that. No, that was
still smocking the police. Um. And then I also just talked about how
the police were now trying to set up like rewards for anybody that had information
on who they thought the Yorkshire Ripper was, and I left off with how
the police were beginning to receive letters from Jack the Ripper. But side note,
this is not Peter Sutcliff. This is just another sickle. He was
like trying to take credit or some shit. Yeah, fuck off. So
the first letter was sent to the police in March nineteen seventy eight. The
letter talked about how he was sorry for killing Jane McDonald. She was the
sixteen year old girl that Peter had quote miss stuck for a sex worker.
Yes, yea. So he talked about how he was sorry for killing her
and how he was only killing sex workers. He then signed this letter Jack
the Ripper and as I said, this is not sent by Peter Sutcliffe.
And Peter later on, when he's caught, it's like, I said,
none of the like, none of these are me. No, that wasn't
me. The murders, yeah, noh know. He when I say,
he says none of it was me. He means the letters. He knows
he's caught on the murder part. He's like, that was me. But
the letters, now that's some weirdough. You guys might want to look into
that and there's some real sickos out there. Days later, the same person
wrote a similar letter to the Daily Mail. In this letter, he told
them to quote warn them whores, oh about how he was planning to strike
again, once again, the letter was signed Jack the Ripper, and once
again Peter didn't write this. Both letters mentioned a murder that took place in
nineteen seventy five, and this led the police to start investigating it. However,
this murder was not committed by Peter Sutcliffe. So this letter starts talking
about and this the two letters start talking about a murder that took place in
nineteen seventy five, just before Peter started murdering, and it like takes place
in like a completely different part of Yorkshire. Right, Peter Suckcliffe did not
commit this murder, and I'm pretty sure they have found who did commit this
murder, but at this stage they have not, Okay, And so the
Yorkshire Ripper Like, so they're receiving letters and they are assuming that it's from
the Yorkshire Ripper because I mean, why wouldn't you, in their defense,
because you signed it as fucking Jack. Yeah. But so the reason why
he was called the Yorkshire Ripper is because he was killing, like, he
was killing sex workers like Jack the Ripper, right, Okay, so that's
why they were like, oh, well, it's obviously the same guy who's
trying to recreate Jack the Ripper. I know that in this scenario it wasn't
actually the murderer, but like son of Sam, BTK, what's with the
letters? Even the X Man of New Orleans he'd done a letter as well.
His letter though, was that was to Tree. I'm gonna hang that
up on my wall. He's hurt. Yeah, I don't know. And
they do later find out who writes these letters, like he doesn't really hot,
Like he's just like, yeah, it's just it's just some old weep.
Yeah, it's just like I thought it would be funny. People don't
do if your evenings people are being murdered, and you're like, wouldn't it
be funny to send the investigation in a completely wrong direction? I mean,
what else do you do and on your Friday nights? Honestly, Like police
are now investigating this murder, like obviously this murder should be investigated, but
they're now linking it to the Yorkshire Ripper and looking at it. Yeah,
they're now looking at it as if it's a Yorkshire Ripper killing when it's not,
and it needs a different set of eyes, like it needs someone for
not thin thin the Yorkshire Ripper, Like that's so damaging, so for literally,
just like the way that this person was killed. Do you know if
it was at all similar? I think it was. I think it was
somewhat similar. And from what I can remember, I should have wrote notes
on it, and I didn't because I was like, I'll remember that,
and because I think, yeah, because that's what I do. M But
yeah, I think it was somewhat similar. But it so. Peter Southcliffe
didn't start attacking women until nineteen seventy five. And the way he was doing
it, he was doing it in specific areas. There's only like a hand
like, there's only like two or three times that he leaves Yorkshire to go
to Manchester, and this murder took place in a completely different part of Yorkshire.
And so it's like, I think, if you were to look at
it, you would say, no, this isn't a Yorkshire ripper killing.
But the police were just because they got the letter the right O, well
than it has to be. So before they couldn't connect cases together like at
all, and now they're just connecting random cases together because some fool rode in.
Yeah. Oh he does more than write in. He leaves a tape
like a vote, an audio tape. Okay, Then, on May sixteenth,
nineteen seventy eight, Peter came across forty year old Via Millward Vera was
waiting on a right their client, as she needed some money, as a
lot of them did and there's a lot of us still do. Peter pulled
up and asked if she was in business, and Via agreed. Peter then
pulled up to a quiet spot beside the Manchester Royal Infirmary, which is a
hospital. He then suggested they get in the back of the car, and
while Via wasn't looking, he hit her over the head with his hammer.
He then dragged VIA's body out of sight and began slashing her torso with a
knife. He then turned Via on her back and began stabbing her in the
same spot repeatedly in her back. Peter then left her body in a pile
of rubbish. The next morning, two men arrived to do grounds work for
the Royal Infirmary. When they saw what they thought was a dummy at first,
because obviously it's a hospital. They were like, they thought like it
was like it's teaching yeah, yeah, like you know, for like teaching
CPO or something like that. As they got closer, they realized that it
was indeed a corpse, and they called nine one one. Can I just
say the unfortunate irony of being murdered at a hospital, like that's horrible?
Could you imagine her heart? Like she's like he just if one doctor hears
me, if yeah, if anyone, and then like if a nurse hears
me, if someone hears me, like I'm at the hospital, like I'm
here. M police knew right away that it was a ripper killing. They
found bootprints and care tracks. A man also came forward and said that the
night of the murder, around the time of death, he was bringing his
son into a and E and he thought he heard someone scream for help.
Three times he stopped to listen, but he didn't hear anything, and he
put it down to stress because he was like run in with his child.
And to be fair to the man, like if you're the sick child in
your arms, that like requires any Yeah, you're gonna be like, did
I hear someone scream for help? And also you are at a hospital where
people are screaming, Yeah, so you're kind of would be more inclined to
be like I have to get my son in here. Yeah, just brush
it off and I know it sounds bad, but you're gonna be like,
my child is more important right now. M Like, so you don't think
about it. Like at a hospital, you're thinking like, oh, they're
probably being looked after, you know, yeah exactly. Police questioned Peter again
in August nineteen seventy eight about his car and in regards to the tire tracks
that they found at the scene of the Royal Infirmary. Peter said that it
was the only time his tire tracks were near a scene because he was on
his way to and from work, Like he was like, oh, I
was just to and from work, and that's probably like how my tire tracks
might be there. He also denied using the service of sex workers because he
was happily married. Well, did he use the service of sex workers if
he was impotent? Like I fully am believing that he is impotent. Yeah,
they never have any children or anything like that. So it's a very
real possibility. And police are like, okay, reasonable answer to me.
COO cool, see you at next time, probably, Peter, Oh you're
happily married. Yeah, of course. Men never cheap use sex workers ever,
there's no need for them. They just all keep popping up for no
apparent reason unheard of. Peter then sold his car and he bought a black
car, so he was driving I believe a white car at this time.
Yeah, this is his third car now, so this is his third care
and his mother then passed away in November nineteen seventy eight. People said that
Peter's attitude changed and he became more rude and more angry once his mother died.
Then police received a third letter from quote unquote Jack the Ripper, almost
a year after the first one, in March nineteen seventy nine, and again
this was not written by Peter. On April fourth, nineteen seventy nine,
Peter was out drinking with Trevor Birdsall, and after dropping Trevor home, he
went back out looking for a victim. Peter saw nineteen year old Josephine Whittaker,
who was walking home from her grandparents' house. Peter stopped Josephine and asked
if she had the right time and if she had fire to walk. While
Josephine checked the time, Peter hit her over the head with his hammer.
It's interesting that this time he's not even asking like are you in? As
he likes to say, business, business, yeah, he's like, not
even pretending anymore. So this sweet young girl she went to visit her grandmother
and her grandfather because she was like this sweet little girl, like she was
nineteen, do you know what I mean. She's a sweet, sweet girl.
She wants to go see them. She missed them, spend time with
them. And then I got late and she was like, oh, I
better go home. And he just seen her walking along this road and was
like, among a sex worker. Of course, always a sex worker would
be out at night. Then what are you doing at at night, Peter?
If you don't use their services and you're not a sex worker, you
should be cuddled up at home in bed with your wife like a good Christian
man. So then he asks her like what He's like, oh, do
you have the right time? And then he's like do you have fair to
walk? And then she like looks down to check her watch and he does
hits her. Once she fell and was no longer conscious, Peter dragged Josephine
about thirty feet out of you. He then began to stab her with a
screwdriver he had sharpened. He had sharpened the screwdriver because I remember him using
it before and I remember thinking, oh, that takes a bit more effort
than I You know, he like sharpened this screwdriver for the purpose of stabbing
somebody with it. Brilliant diy diy. He proceeded to stab her twenty five
times all over her body, including her vagina. He then dragged her body
to the middle of the field. The next morning, a woman waiting on
a bus waiting on a bust at a stop spotted Josephine's body. She ran
to the bus stop to call nine one. A bus driver also reported the
scene as he wasn't sure what he saw, but he knew it was something
bad as he was like driving past. As police arrived at the scene,
Josephine's thirteen year old brother was cycling by to deliver newspapers again with the kids,
and he saw a shoe on the sidewalk. He knew the shoe and
he ran home to tell his parents what he saw. That's when they realized
that Josephine had never come home. They immediately rang the police for information.
Police didn't know whether to link Josephine's murder with the rippers or not, because
she wasn't a sex worker and he's only killing sex workers, but he has
already killed other women who are not sex workers, who have been deemed quote
unquote innocent. And again I have to say it, how many women are
being mutilated in Yorkshire that they are not connecting? This wild to be perfectly
honest, because I feel like it's a very specific thing that he's doing as
well. Do you know, like he's hitting them with a hammer and then
he's stabbing them with some type of sharp object. Yeah, Like how many
women are being attacked with a hammer and being stabbed? Like? How why
is that something that you're not linking that it's so regular? What? Yeah,
I don't get it. The police were focused on the letters that they
had been receiving. They were kind of like banking on the letters to tell
them who the ripper was. But that was never going to be the case
because it is not the ripper that is writing them. It's not the Zodiac
et. It's like, break this and I'll tell you who I am.
I must know who the Zodiac killer is. It's like my life's mission.
If I die before I know who he is, I'll be so pissed and
I will haunt him. Didn't they crack the code a little? While ago
they cracked one. How many other left, you know, like three or
something. Christ they because they reckon, They reckon. It's going to take
like years to decode them all. In June nineteen seven nine, police received
an audio tape from someone claiming to be the ripper. However, again it's
not Peter. The tape said quote, I'm Jack. I still, I
still, I'm Jack. I see you still have no luck catching me.
I have the greatest respect for you. George. George is the lead investigator
at this time. The lead investigator change changes a few times, but currently
it is George. Okay, but lord, you are no nearer to catching
me now than four years ago when I started. I reckon. Your boys
are letting you down. George. You can't be much good, can you.
The only time they came near me was in Chapeltown when I was disturbed,
and it was a uniform copper, not a detective. I warned you
in March i'd strike again. Sorry it wasn't Bradford. I did promise you
that, but I couldn't get there. I'm not quite sure when I'll strike
again, but definitely sometime this year, maybe September or October even sooner if
I can get the chance. I'm not sure where. Maybe maybe Manchester.
I like it there. There is plenty of them knocking about. They never
learned, do they, George. I bet you warned them, but they
never listen. At the rate I'm going, I should be in the book
of records. I think it's eleven up to now, isn't it. I'll
keep on going for quite a while yet, I can't see myself being nicked
just yet. Even if you do get near, I'll probably talk myself first.
Well, it's been nice chatting to you, George, yours Jack the
ripper. I'm very curious about it. I was interrupted by a uniformed copper
because wasn't Peter interrupted before he was calling a bush? He was, but
he see, here's the hilarious thing the police have like like the press knew
about that, Like all of what he says is something that is so easily
gathered by the press, Like the press knew he was interrupted because she was
still alive, and like so the media are interviewing he's he's interrupted when he
wasn't in the bush. The crop just found him in the bush. He
hadn't attacked anybody yet. Oh, that was years ago. No, he
was He's been interrupted like several times. There was one time he was den
an alleyway and someone turned on their headlights. M there was like there's been
several times that he's like almost been caught, and so like when that happens,
the media are then interviewing like who who caught Like who stopped him?
Do you know what I mean? And so it's like, oh, yeah,
it's easy to assume that like at one stage or another policeman almost caught
him. So this person writing the letters is just like making educated guesses based
on what they've read in the media, saying like I'll probably attack again in
September or October. It's a complete another like guess hmm, do you know?
And then but then he covers himself by being like maybe soon or if
I can get the chance, yeah, and then he's like might go to
Manchester if I can get up there, do you know, Like it's like
if I can, I told you before i'd attack him. So like the
last letter they got, it was like, oh, I'm going to attack
him Bradford, but then he the actual like Peter then he didn't attack him
in Bradford. So he's like, oh, I couldn't get up there,
and that's why I didn't attack Bradford. No, you didn't attack in Bradford
because he didn't attack in Bradford because he didn't know you told the police that's
where he was going to attack. Yeah, fucking hell. That guy watching
the news seeing that the most recent attack was in New Yorkshire, like,
fuck, how am I going to cover this one up? She's like,
oh I couldn't get there, oh my flat tires, or just a suggestion,
you just don't send any more letters. Yeah, you could have stopped
it here. You could have stopped it here, bib, Like, honestly,
what are you doing. Let's take a quick add break before we go
any further and welcome back. A few weeks after receiving the letters, police
released clips of the audio and partial paragraphs of the letters to the public.
They were hopeful that someone would recognize either the manner of speaking, the voice,
or even the handwriting of the letters. Wait, so at this stage,
sorry, at this stage the audio has been said, right, Yeah,
so police have letters and audio, and so they release snippets of the
audio, and they release paragraphs of the letters to the press of like for
the press to like put out and they're hoping that some one either recognizes the
accent, the voice or the manner of speaking, and then that they're also
hoping that someone recognizes the handwriting or you know, like something something. The
accent on the audio was that of the Jordi accent. Jordi so sure.
Why? Oh my god. I used to have such a love hate relationship
with that show. Yeah. Same. It was good when it was like
brand new and before they like were getting into VIP parts of the club and
stuff. The first like few seasons were so good and then they got like
more and more famous and it became more and more shit. Yeah, it's
like it gets more scripted because they had to keep the drama in the show.
Then it also made me really upset for Charlotte because she had an ef
topic pregnancy and he was just like I found myself a girlfriend. Yeah,
my heart breaks for Charlotte. She's pregnant. She's not pregnant now, Holly
is Holly is Charlotte's had her baby. O. I'm so happy for her.
I know. Yeah. I literally was like I won't lie. I
was like, oh my god, because like I was like, she like
deserves this. Yeah, yes, So the accent on the audiotape is that
of someone from like Newcastle, Like it's like a Geordy accent. So they're
like, oh, that means that the killer is northern. However it's not
Peter Sultcliffe on the audio, and Peter Sultcliffe does not have a Geordy accent.
Wheel wheel. Then, on September first, nineteen seventy nine, Peter
was looking for a victim and that's when he saw twenty year old Barbara Leach.
Barbara was walking home alone from a local pub. Peter was getting out
of his car while Barbara walked past him, and as she did, Peter
hit her on the head with his hammer. He didn't even ask her question,
he didn't even stop her. He does let her walk past, and
then as soon as her back was to him, he attacked her like the
coward body is yea. He then dragged her body into a backyard and began
stabbing her with the same screw driver that he used on Josephine. Peter then
positioned Barbara's body before placing rubbish and stones on top of her. The next
day, Barbara's roommates were worried that she never came home. However, they
didn't want to report her missing just yet in case like she stayed at a
friend's house or because logically that's what you're thinking. You're not thinking she's just
dead in a backyard somewhere. She's a college student. Yeah, she could
have met a guy and gone back to his house. She could have stayed
in a different friend's house. She could have literally anything as possible, and
they didn't want to like report her missing and then have her walk in the
door and then happened to explain to police like, oh, do you know,
I get I do get it, But at the same time, what's
going on in the area. I would prefer to cause the hulla blooon,
to cause the hassle. You see. It's because as well as that,
you have the like media being like it's just sex workers. M yeah,
and so they're like, well, she's not a sex worker, so she's
safe. When the case was that he was just attacking women like m just
of any age, Like you have women to attack there that are in their
forties, and then you have women that he's attacked that are teenagers like sixteen,
yeah, yeah, do you know they finally do decide to report her
missing later on that afternoon, and while looking for her, police found her
body. Police then immediately are like, yeah, that's a ripper, Like
that's a ripper murder and body hidden, and like the way it was staged
and everything. Police were starting to get a lot of questions for from the
media and the public as to why this case hadn't been solved yet, like
it's been four years, and like there's still no closer to finding him.
There's still so much murders happening, Like what the fuck's going on? So
they began to go back and look at their cases again to see what maybe
they had missed. They questioned people again in the hopes of new leads.
Peter was formally questioned nine to ten times, and he was interacted with at
least nineteen times during the investigation. That's it's just mind blowing. So like
he's formally brought in for questioning nine or ten times, but he's interacted with
a total of nineteen times at least, if not more, And this is
obviously only giving him confidence that he keeps going in and they're like, now
you're good, he's getting like he's getting away with it. Yeah, he's
like, they're questioning me, not realizing that it's me. So I can
do whatever I want and it's fine. It's could be pretty much. Peter
told police that he was at home doing repair work the night Barbara was killed,
and Sonia cooborated this for him. Sonia was unaware that Barbara was killed
after one am, like she assumed she was killed like nine pm. Like
they're like, oh, on the night that she was killed. She's like,
i'll probably like early nighttime, yeah, evening, yeah, yeah,
And so she's like, no, he was at home. But then where's
your husband at one o'clock in the morning. See what he's doing. And
this is where he's clever. He's going, I'm going for drinks with Trevor,
like Trevor birds All. Yeah, And he goes for drinks or for
Trevor birds All and then he's like, I'll drop you home, Trevor,
and then I'm going to head home. But he doesn't head home. He
heads off looking for a victim. So he has an alibi there because he's
going. Trevor's going to say, yeah, he dropped me home and then
he went home, and then she's yeah, he went for drinks with Trevor
and then came home. Right, I see. I'm still waiting for Trevor's
redemption arc. By the way, it's it's it's coming, I promise.
So police spent over one million pounds investigating the letters on the audio tape that
wasn't actually from the ripper, So they spent over one million pounds on something
that they should not have. Yes. Then in June nineteen eighty, police
followed Peter home as he was caught speeding. Whoa while, not hiding in
a bush is enough to follow you home, but speeding. They soon realized
that he was drunk, so they're like, he's drunk, and then police
starts fighting with Peter starts fighting with the police overdoing a breathalyzer. Police eventually
arrest Peter and suspend his license for drunk driving and speeding. Okay, One
of the arresting officers suggested that Peter be investigated investigated as a possible suspect for
the Ripper, and other detectives told him that he'd already been ruled out.
That one police officer must have been I don't even know the word. In
the Netflix documentary, they actually interview him and he's like, I really felt
like he was a strong possibility, like he was just like it was just
something about him. My spidy senses were tangling to be on quite literally,
and so he's like, why don't we interview him again for an eleventh time?
And they're like, but he's been ruled out and he's like, oh,
I don't know, I just feel like something and he in the In
the Netflix documentary, he basically says that the higher ups of the investig he's
just like an arresting officer, not like the higher up detectives are like,
if you mentioned Peter Sutcliffe's name to us one more fucking time, you're at
the door, Oh, he's been ruled out, leave it, drop it.
So he's like, new, him's got it. They you know,
they probably didn't want to catch a case for fucking harassment either, probably not.
But at the same time, this police officer is like, no,
no, no, listen to me, like I'm seeing this go down like
in a movie, like leave it alone, that you're off the case,
you know, essentially essentially is what happened to him. Then, on August
twentieth, nineteen eighty, Peter jumped Margarette walls. Margarette was walking home from
work, went out of nowhere, Peter jumped her. He hit her over
the head with a hammer and then looped rope around her neck before dragging her
out of sight. Peter then proceeded to strangle Margarette. He then took all
of her clothes except for a pair of tights. He then put grass cuttings
and leaves over her and the next morning to gardener has found Margaret's body and
immediately called the police. At first, police did not link the depth to
the ripper because the EMO was completely different. And I will give them this
one. It is completely not at all what you're expecting from a Yorkshire ripper
killing. Margarette was never considered a victim of the ripper until Peter is caught
and eventually admits to everything. Right, so they're not investigating this as a
ripper case whatsoever. And it's not until Peter is actually arrested and he starts
like confessing, yep, I got her too. Yeah. Then on September
twenty fourth, nineteen eighty, Peter was in a KFC restaurant when he saw
a thirty four year old Upondia Bandara and I'm so sorry if I did not
say that right. Peter immediately left the restaurant and quickly began following her.
As soon as she turned down a badly alleyway, Peter ran up and hit
her over the head with a hammer. No hate that, Nope, No,
it's the running. You know, That's what you're was afraid of.
It is, isn't it. He then began to try and strangle her with
her rope and he looted it around her neck. Someone could hear the commotions,
so they walked outside to see what was going on and they scared Peter
off. The neighbor rang police immediately when they saw Pandia bleeding from her head.
Police did link this to the Ripper case, but they did not link
the murder of Margarette, so they were like, yeah, okay, we'll
believe you that this is the ripper Emma was similar to the previous murder.
Yeah, that's still not a Ripper case. Upandia, thankfully survived, wasn't
able to give a clear description of her attacker because obviously she's in a KFC
like getting food, leaving, not paying attention to like people are coming in
at the doors, and like, of course you don't you don't look at
people when you're in a fast food restaurant. I am busy eating my three
burgers and I'm piling that ship. Yeah, but my sweet and Sarah saw
some. I'm just drinking it. On November fifth, nineteen eighty, Peter
was on the hunt again for a victim when he saw sixteen year old Teresa
Sikes. Teresa was walking home after buying cigarettes and was fifty yards from her
home when Peter snuck up behind her and hit her over the head. As
she fell to the ground, Peter hit her again. Peter thought Teresa wasn't
conscious and began to drag her. When Teresa began screaming for help, Peter
quickly fled the scene. Teresa's boyfriend came running out to the screens and found
her in the grass. He called nine one one, but Teresa wasn't able
to give a clear description of her attacker. I'm so glad that her and
the previous victim obviously survived, yes thankfully. Two weeks later, on November
seventeenth, nineteen eighty, Peter told Sonya he was working late and that she
shouldn't wait up for him. But he wasn't working late. He was on
the hunt for a victim when he saw a twenty year old Jacqueline Hill.
Jacqueline was walking home from a lecture. Peter was in a KFC when he
saw her and decided, okay, follow her. Now it's getting unhealthy,
Peter, all right, he needs to calm down with the KFC. I
know the bone, the boneless wings are good. We gotta calm down.
Why is he ruining KFC for everybody? You know what, John mane Gacy,
the KFC. I'm just gonna have to ask serial killers to stay away
from delicious fast food chain restaurants. Yeah, if you ruined McDonald's for me,
I will fucking haunt you down myself if you were if anyone dares,
If anyone dares, I'll suffocate them with the mcflurry. You know what worse
a filet of fish? Oh yeah, you're getting a filet of fish in
your face. You're getting twenty I'm going to suffocate you. I'm going to
shove them in your mount until you can't breathe no more. WHOA that felt
personal? I really like McDonald's. Okay. As Jacqueline turned down a badly
light road, Peter snuck up behind her, and hit her over the head
with a hammer. He then dragged her body behind in Arndale, behind the
Arndale Shopping Center, which is in Manchester, which is where I shopped in
the Arndale. Okay, it's fucking mass up. So I don't know where
he brought her. But because I could not tell you where the behind of
it is, because there's like twenty different entrances. Is there build a bear
in that one? Yeah? I think I was there when I was younger
and I got a lamb and I called her Sally and if you pushed on
her, Tommy, it was like, I love you. But then obviously
the voice box started to die, was oh love you. Sally had to
go love and it's like, nope, no, you don't. You're out
of here. You don't love me. It's okay, just leave, Sally,
just leave. It's not mutual. It's not me, it is you.
So he brings her behind the Arundale Shopping Center and began stabbing her even
in the eye. It does that have been built a bear in it?
In the eye? Yep? Oh my god. Id a Rondo ten PM
A student friend Jacqueline's purse and brought it home his room had been a police
officer in Hong Kong, and so he found a woman's purse. So he
found a woman's purse, and he his roommate used to be a police officer
in Hong Kong, and so he in his like, I suppose I'm going
to go out and away him and say innocent head brings it home and is
like, hey, you used to be a police officer. What should I
do with this? I found it near the arndale, right, I don't
know. I guess you would. They're like. The roommate is like,
you should have left it there and just called the police. Yeah, but
he's like, but right, we'll call the police now, I guess.
So the police do a quick search of the area, but they never found
Jacqueline's body. The following morning, an employee at the Arndale found Jacqueline's body
and called nine one one. So she's just been very close. She was
thirty yards from where her purse was. But yet when police But when police
went searching, they never found her, even just being the person that picked
up the purse, knowing that she was only a few feet away from you.
Literally, police told the press they had no reason to suspect it was
a ripper murder. Okay, you're the police. I trust you implicitly.
On November twenty fifth, nineteen eighty, police received a letter that said,
quote to whom it may concern, I'm writing to inform you that I have
every good reason to believe I know the man you are looking for in the
ripper case. It is an incident which happened within the last five years.
I cannot give any date or place or any details without myself being known to
the ripper or you. If this is the man, it is only until
recently something came to my notice, and now a lot of things fit into
place. I can only tell you one to do things which fit. For
example, this man has had dealings with sex workers and always had a thing
about them. Also, he is a long distance lurry driver collecting engineering items
etc. I am quite sure if you check up on dates etc. You
may find something. His name and address is Peter Sutcliffe, five Garden Lane,
Heaton, Bradford. Police ignore this letter was that forever trying to do
that make good? No one processed it until after Peter had been arrested,
and the letter was written none other by Trevor birdsall go tever, go forever.
I'm still not happy with you, though you could have done something earlier.
He could have well, at least you did something at this point.
I honestly believe to begin with, it was a case of not my friend,
but your friend has you know, assaulted sex workers right in front of
you. He kind of is like, no, cot be him, like
he's a nice guy, he's loving with his wife, like no, and
then I think just things start to line up for him that he's like,
shit, I think it is my friend. That's like when you come to
a sudden realization of something that happened in your childhood one day, when you're
just sitting there and you're like, oh, this makes sense now, so
this is why I'm traumatized. Yeah, yeah, I think it's well,
he's like realizing that, like like he's gone for drinks with Peter, and
then that night a woman has been murdered, yes, you know, and
he's kind of going, yeah, that woman was murdered at like one am,
and he dropped me home at like twelve am. M. Yeah,
you would get a little suspicios so, but no one processes the letter until
after Peter is arrested. I find this amazing because it's like you have questioned
this man multiple times and now you have an anonymous letter being sent to you
being like, oh, I'm pretty sure it's him, and you're just like,
Eh, the letter. I don't even think the letter was opened.
I think the letter arrives in one of the many headquarters that was set up
and it sits there. And the police's excuse was that they were receiving hundreds
of tips at the time. Yeah, I'm sure they meant to get rented
it after their coffee break. And it's like, yeah, you may have
been receiving one hundreds of tips at the time, but you should have looked
at every single one. Women were being murdered at like every few weeks.
Look, I'm not saying that, like it's one thousand percent the police's fault
that they never caught. Like, you know, they were receiving letters,
and they were receiving different things that were put pointing them in the wrong direction.
But at the same time, how many times does someone have to pop
up for you to take it as a serious, serious indication, Yeah,
for you to take it as more than just a little quinky dink. Yeah,
Trevor then gave police an in person statement about his letter when he never
heard back from the police, so he sent the letter in and then after
a little while he was like, I've never heard anything, and Peter still
hasn't been caught yet, so he goes in to like give like an in
person statement, but once again police never followed up on the statement. Imagine
being Trevor, You're you're sending that letter, you don't hear anything, and
now you still have to go and be friends with Peter, like you'd be
out for drinks like so sex workers. Huh, you should probably be stabbed,
right right. You can't stop being his friend because then that's suspicious,
and so it's like the fuck. In December nineteen eighty a specialist had a
look at the letters and the audio police received. He believed that the letters
were not written by the ripper, but believed that he could identify the author.
He urged the police to release the letters and the like the full letters
and the full tape to the public, as he believed it would reveal the
author, but unfortunately nothing came from this. On January second, nineteen eighty
one, Peter was out in Sheffield on the hunt when he saw twenty four
year old Olivia Reavers. Olivia was a sex worker and agreed to get in
Peter's care. Peter began talking with Olivia about his life and his wife.
Olivia was urging Peter that she just wanted to get the job over and done
with, like if she hasn't seen him. She's like, can we just
do what we gotta do and then I'll be on my merry way and you
can be on your merry way. Because she doesn't know he's about to kill
her. Yeah. This was when police pulled up beside Peter. Peter tried
to tell police that Olivia was his girlfriend. However, she had been arrested
several times before for solicitation, so they were like, she's not your girlfriend.
We know your girlfriend? Yeah, like hi, Olivia, how are
you still sex working? I see? And he's like, no, no,
no, she's my girlfriend. She's like, oh, Brian, how
are you as kids? Did your wife like that present you got her?
He's like yeah, thanks for the advice, and Peter said like, she's
my girlfriend him with a wedding ring on. Oh god, yeah, oh
god, good times, good times. Peter was also driving a car with
the stolen redge, because let's not forget Peter's license has been suspended for drunk
driving. Oh yeah, yeah. The pair were quickly arrested. Before being
put in the back of the police care Peter asks if he can go pee
behind a bush and the officer is like, sure, whatever, whatever,
So he does and then he comes back and he's brought to the station and
Peter was questioned for hours about the stolen redge and the solicitation. Sonia was
then in about the charges that he has been arrested on, which is a
stolen car, dge and solicitation. So she's like, ah, hell's to
the he's out with a fucking sex worker. Yeah, And due to the
Ripper killings, anyone arrested in the Yorkshire area for the solicitation had to be
questioned in regards to the case. So if you were just caught with a
sex worker, you were interrogated about the ripper killings because they just had to
root like they just were like, can't take a chance. So the next
morning Peter was questioned on this and some of the things he was saying,
we're starting to like concern the officers. He was talking about how he used
to own a white Cossair and how he had good hours being a lurry driver.
Police began to remember the letter they received, and when they looked into
his name, they saw that he was a person of interest and had been
interviewed many times, and they were like, wow, I wouldn't have seen
this one coming. Peter was on a first name basis with the police at
this stage. Though. Peter also had a rare blood type which had been
found at several crime scenes but was never made public, so nobody knew that
they had found blood, Like the public didn't know that there was blood found
at several of the crime scenes or was it from his his seamen? And
no, there was one time he was in like a junkyard and he cut
his hand on like a broken porcelain sink that was and like also left a
partial print in the blood as well. He is stupid. The officer who
arrested Peter was like this guy, Like what he's saying is weird, you
know, because he's like, oh, yeah, I used to drive a
white car that you used to look for. And then he's like I have
sweet hours being a lorry driver, Like I'm up and down the Yorkshire Roads
and they're like, wait just a second, that's weird. And so the
police officer was like, he went behind a bush before we arrested him to
go pee. I let this man go behind a bush by himself before we
brought him into the station to search him. I'm getting a weird feeling about
the bush. So he's like, I'm just gonna go back and have a
quick snoopy snoop do do my job because this guy is weird. And so
he goes and he investigates and it's not long before the officer finds a hammer
and discarded in the area. What's the bush doing with those? Huh bush?
I'm gonna have to arrestue on plank this bush right now, it's coming
with me. After a couple of days of being questioned, Peter just turned
around and said, I think you're leading up to the Yorkshire Ripper. What
gives you that impression? He was asked. They were like, what about
the Yorkshire Ripper? And Peter leans back in his chair and he says that's
me. Oh no, fuck you, fuck you so much. Oh my
god, that's so annoying, this fucking guy. Oh my god, just
like look listen, you've been questioning me for a couple of days. Now
you're on the build and the up and up to mention the Yorkshire Ripper,
he said, let me make it easy for you. And they're like,
what about the Yorkshire us leading up? What about that? And he's like,
it's me no, no, sir, I mean yes, but like
also to be so like you're looking at him like no, m It took
Peter twenty four hours to make a full confession. Peter never sent any letters
to police or the media, and it would not be until two thousand and
five that police learned who wrote those letters. A man by the name was
sorry. That made me think of Colleen Rooney, remember when she done that
thing? Who was it again? Another wag Rebecca Verardy? And I know
it's Rebecca Verdi because Rebecca Verdi coined she now owns the saying Wagatha Christie.
Why who's ever using wag at the Christie? Rebecca Verdi? Because that's so
when the trial was happening, everyone was calling it wag you know, like
Agatha Christie. But like yeah, because it was all deed. Rebecca Verdi
do what she's been accused of, and so the media were like wage the
Christie and so she like patented it. Oh my god, that's embarrassing.
Oh but yeah, he's like it's it's Rebecca Verdie. The name of the
man that wrote the letters was John Humble. He sent the audio as well.
He was arrested and he was sentenced to eight years in prison for derailing
the investigation and costing over one million pounds in like investigating like in resource that
Peter wrote John a letter in prison telling him that the last three victims were
John's fault. The woman John claimed to be the rippers first victim, which
was Joan Harrison, I don't think I mentioned her name. That was the
one that he was like my first victim, and it wasn't him. So
Peter like wrote him a note and was like, I'm not gonna lie,
some of it is John's fault, like syn, but you derailed the investigations
so much so that they were looking for someone with a completely wrong accent.
They were following leads that they should not have been following all because you were
bored. Yeah, pretty much. But the absolute neck of Peter to be
like those last three victims, they're on EU bloods on your hands John.
No, Peter, you're just trying to like guilt your like guilt free,
be guilt free, and pass it on to some of somebody else. Yeah.
He also was like, you try to say that I killed Joan Harrison
when I did not. That was not me. I don't know who done
it, but I can't just tell you that it was absolutely not me.
In two and eleven, DNA proved that a convicted sex worker named Christopher Smith
was responsible for Joan's death. So, however, Christopher had died in two
thousand and eight, so Christopher was another sex worker had maybe fought with Joan.
Was Jonah sex worker? I'm actually not too sure it was that murder
that I mentioned earlier anyway, that the letter the letters were mentioning. In
one sense, it's great for the family because they know they know who actually
done it, but it's also sad because that person was already dead by the
time that they found out. And so justice. Yeah. On Monday,
January fifth, nineteen eighty one, the news was released that the Yorkshire Ripper
had been arrested. Peter was charged with thirteen murders and seven attempted murders.
Peter pleaded guilty, but was claiming he was deranged as God told him to
kill the sex workers. Peter, just stop it, just say you hate
women. To move on. Peter's defense team had a doctor talk to Peter
eleven times and he testified that Peter was a paranoid schizophrenic. Peter's trial began
on May fourth, nineteen eighty one. The defense went hired on the mental
illness plea and had a second doctor confirmed that Peter had schizophrenic tendencies. However,
the prosecution pointed out that it wasn't until Peter hired a defense team that
he started to act a certain way, yeah, the prosecution. The prosecutor
also pointed out that the doctors had prompted him to respond a certain way to
certain questions. Sonja, if you remember suffered schizophrenic tendencies when she had her
mental breakdown. Oh that's right, back in the early days, and Peter
had been her career. Yeah, so he would know what to do.
You would have seen, so he knew how to recreate those symptoms. The
trial lasted two weeks. The prosecutor claimed, quote, he was a cold
blooded, calculated murderer who has made this up because he wants to go to
the looney bin for ten years instead of thirty years in prison. After six
hours of deliberation, Peter was found guilty and saying. On May twenty second,
nineteen eighty one, Peter was sentenced to life in prison. Peter bounced
back and forth from Parkhurst Prison and hospitals for his schizophrenia. Sonia got a
separation from Peter in nineteen eighty nine and officially divorced him in nineteen ninety four.
Sonia was awarded the house. Well, it's not like he's going to
be using it. Peter was attacked many times in prison from other inmates.
In nineteen ninety seven and inmates dabbed Peter in the left eye. Oh my
god. So now he knows what it feels like. Yep. And at
age seventy four, Peter Sutcliffe died on November thirteenth, twenty twenty from COVID
Bye bit jazz. Honestly, so there you go. Trevor birds All got
his redemption. He tried so hard to be like listen to me. Yeah.
The fact that it then want to police after I'm like, all right,
all right, you get away with it this time. Trevor but don't
let me catch you again. Yeah, the prosecution were very much like,
yeah, his wife suffered a schizophrenic attack, like you know, like she
had a full on mental Like he knows what he's doing, he knows what
to say and how to act, and his whole thing was God told me,
God told you jack shit, God's not talking to you, my friend.
Definitely not you. To the women that survived Peter um, I think
it's heartbreaking that they had to be talked about in such a disgusting manner.
H And as well for the victims that didn't survive, Like, I think
it's so unfair to paint like Jane McDonald as a quote unquote innocent victim when
they were all innocent victims. Yeah. Definitely watching like some I watched like
two documentaries on it, and like one of them, one of the sons
of one of the women that Peter murdered, Like, he gets so upset
because he's just like, my mother was so much more than a sex worker.
That's like to be to kind of pair anybody down to their just their
job is ridiculous in the first place, but to do it just because they're
a sex worker has it's like even more, there's something more evil about it.
You know, they're really like he like bless his soul is like you
know, like she was an amazing mother, Like she'd done everything for us,
you know, like the job that she's not there for the love of
it, Like yeah, like he's like the job that she was out there
doing was for us, Like it wasn't something that she chose to do,
it was something she had to do. And then the fact that it was
then twisted and turned against her, and when she was this loving, amazing
person, yeah, you know when he's like and that's all the media ever
knew or us And I believe it was if I have this correct. I
didn't write it down, but I believe it was like something like two eighteen
or twenty nineteen, the like Yorkshire Police released like an official apology for how
police, because it wasn't just the media, it was police as well,
where very much of the oh he's only killing sex work sex workers, like
we'll catch him when we get him. And it wasn't until that he actually
started killing just women, you know what I mean. Yes, but then
they were like, oh shit, we better catch him, and they were
getting pressure to catch him for the murder of Jane. Yeah, and so
like the Yorkshire Police were like, yeah, no, like it should have
been a like it shouldn't have been a case of it was like uns only
sex workers. No, of course it never should have been. But but
to be perfectly apologized, I'm glad they apologize. Put to be perfectly honest,
I think it's still very much a thing, like it's still very much
a there sex workers who are asking for it. No, no, it's
like they are. They haven't only fans. So they deserved for their nuts
to be leaked around. They deserve to be here. They deserved abuse,
And it's like no, no, no, nobody does. Nobody deserves that.
Let's all treat each other just like fucking human beings. That would be
fantastic. Actually, at the end of the day, my body's my body,
Your body is your body. What I choose to do with mine is
none of yours, and what you choose to do with yours is none of
mine. Yep. Anyway, that was a nice way to wrap up the
three episodes. I'm very glad to be done with him. And it is
an interesting case like it's it's interesting on how the media like it's interesting to
me to look at how the media and how the police like handled it,
you know, like it's to me like that's like, oh my god,
what the hell. And then I'm like I need to know more. Yeah,
kind of go down the rabbit hole. Yeah. So, if you
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