Hey, Hi, how are you. We're doing a special edition. You
know, I have so much content right now, I can't get all of
it on a single show. And you know, we don't spend a great
deal of time with each program. You know, we got an hour for
the interview, and we got a few notes here and there. But there
is so much happening in the world of anomalies, ancient civilizations, anomalists,
hybrid humans, and on and on into god whatever you can think of,
you know, UFO, alien and so forth. And so I'm and I
have this new producer, Gail tor who's always sending me stuff, and it's
like I can't keep up with it. So we're doing a special edition regarding
these strange humanoids in Peru, these mummies. And if you remember about what
was it six seven years ago to twenty eighteen, Melissa Tittle from Gaya when
she was with Gaya, came on the program and said, you know,
we're doing a program, a special program on these Nasca, Peru mummies.
And I was like, well, what is that all about. Well,
some tomb raiders had been climbing cliffs close to the Nasca area Nasca Lines,
the world famous lines, and ran across these mummies, and these mummies had
three fingers and three toes, e long gated heads, very unusual facial features,
and they looked human, but they looked also very alien, like the
classic Grays. You could say. Well, Guya ended up spending perhaps a
few million dollars to do a series of investigations that include well known scientists,
a Russian physicist, all kinds of really amazing people, and came up with
the series The NASCAR Peruvian Mummies. I think it was a seven or eight
part series. Melissa came on the program and introduced it, and there were
a lot of speculations because when they did the DNA study they found that it
was partially human, but then there was a whole bunch of DNA that was
not It was very strange, almost unworldly. And then after that, you
know, Melissa left Gaya. We didn't get a follow up because gene sequencing
takes a long time, so we didn't get a sense of exactly what was
what on that, and so you know, it was fun to have around
the program, but we were like, what are these are these hybrids?
Are these human beings? Are these aliens? They sure looked like aliens with
three fingers and three toes. So coming full circle to today on March twelfth,
just a week ago, well, now it's about let me think,
a couple of weeks ago, a press release went out that said a new
species of humanoid previous unknown to science, has been discovered and guess war was
discovered in the Nasca region of Peru and a grouping of caves close to where
these early mummies came from. By the way, that first mummy that we
were talking about that Melissa introduced was called Maria. Now I've seen pictures of
this new mummy and it's a child. It's a small child that's been embombed,
but it has a beautifully elong get his skull. It's got a face
that looks very alien, but it's got the three fingers and three toes.
They have scanned it, they have X rayed. It's biological. It's not
fake. It is the real deal. So the program today is going to
feature this. And we have a award winning filmmaker, documentary filmmaker, Michael
Mazzola, who I'm gonna interview, and he's done a whole bunch of research
on UFOs, on UAPs and the question of high bred humans on Earth.
He's been fascinated and has worked closely with the news reporter in Mexico, a
guy named Heimi Mason. And it's funny. I gotta get Heimi on the
program. So that's our program today. What's funny is they are thinking right
now. Early analysis is showing that these are about a thousand years old.
And one of the things that they have also done with the very high res
cat scan ct scan is the discovery of bits and pieces of metal along musculature
and on the chest a big piece of metal that appears to have been inserted.
Now, why would they insert and by the way they've analyzed the metal,
it's not a platinum. It's a very strange mixture of metals that they
have found under the skin. This is the first time that we've seen this
and this makes this whole discovery quite unique. And we're gonna hear details about
this today. But why would they put metal in the body? I bring
this up in our interview and it's fascinating. Okay, let's get some background
material. I'm gonna play a few minutes of the guy at introduction to these
mummies. Because this mummy that we've are going to talk about today. Looks
like a similar type. But perhaps these are kings or queens, or higher
ups or administrative types that have these insertions, these metal inserts in their bodies.
So here's a quick overview of what these mummies are all about, and
I'll come right back. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Last year, Gaya
documented several humanoid mummies discovered in the Nascar region of Peru. DNA samples were
extracted from the body, feet in hands of the mummy named Maria. The
DNA was tested to determine if it matched any known DNA. The results are
in. We are dealing with an unidentified organism. In my career, I
can't say I've actually seen anything like this. Thanks for joining us here,
Melissa, Thanks for having me in third phase of the Moon. Now,
it's been about two years since the investigation by Guy into the Nascup mummies,
and two years ago and the world was saying that this was some kind of
perpetrated huax. What's your thoughts. What's the new conclusion now? Well,
I would say a couple of things. We just came out with a new
documentary, and in this documentary that does kind of an overview of all the
updates, but then kind of shows behind the scenes what happened. I would
have to say that to me, we did a lot of tests, we
did carbonating, genetic testing, whatever, but the high res CT scans were
unbelievable. And when you look at those, because when I think of genetic
testing and I think, okay, well, there's so many questions that need
to be answered. But if I look at those CT scans, you're looking
at like muscle, fiber and tissue and blood left on the bodies. You're
also looking at bodies that according to all the professional people that we have shown
it to, for people that do this for a living that look that are
either radiologists or surgeons that kind of thing, they can't find anything altered with
the bones. So for me, that's a good place to start. So
you've done some extensive research, including DNA sequencing, can you tell us does
the sequencing match the code of our regular DNA human code or is this something
altogether different. I do not believe that they are one hundred percent human.
Again, when you do genetic testing, you can only ask one question with
the sample, and then you ask another question. You run another sample through
the machine. But so we were only able to ask a couple questions,
and we wanted to know, you know, what part of that DNA was
human and then if there was a part of it that had biological human like
genetic codes, then which ones would they match on the planet Earth right genetic
testing. Those are the two questions we can ask given ask given the samples
that we had. And so it did come back that there was twenty five
percent of that sample did have human like DNA and of that twenty five percent,
none of that matched any modern human DNA. So that's pretty interesting considering,
you know, if it's a hoax, or it's made up, or
even if it's like a relative in the last couple thousand years, that's very
strange. However, we haven't been able to test for ancient DNA, and
that's just another question down the genetic code line. That's that's what the university
hopefully is going to do well. I want to mention Michael has sent me
the scans and the X rays. I'm going to post them on the Facebook
page, both of them, the international and the group page. Look closely
at these metal plates that are just above the sternum and on the arms and
in the legs. You can't really tell how they're I mean, we know
they're other scin but we can't tell if they're attached to organs or how they
work. This is not a random insertion. Also, remember these are approximately
one thousand years old, so that when these beans were alive, that would
be walking among the Inca. That would be you know, because the Nasca
Lines are the Nasca people, but they believe they're Inca like. Also important
to remember general science believes that the Nasca Lines were created on the ground,
but the problem with that theory is that they're only visible from hundreds to thousands
of feet above the ground. Many of them have been seen by high flying
airplanes and aircraft, and they're even visible by satellites. We've had people on
the program who believe they were used as gigantic maps, grids geographical surveys of
pointing different parts of the planet, and that they were used as a giant
roadmap when aircraft of all types came back into Earth's atmosphere and wanted to know
where the hell they were. So that's the consideration. Obviously kind of interesting
to consider, but we just don't know the Nasca lines, and these Nasca
mummies are anomalies part of Erth's ancient past, and that's what our show is
today. So today's program is called Nasca Peru and the High Bred Humans,
and my guest today is Michael Mozzola. A few years ago we featured a
documentary by Gaya on these unusual mummies that were found in Peru. The documentary
was called Unearthed Nasca and we had Melissa Tittle. Melissa was a regular on
Earth Ancients for a number of years, and this was a very strange documentary
because it was featuring a number of discoveries in Peru that were made in twenty
seventeen by actually the individual who released this data was Heimi Massan, who is
a well known Mexican journalist. And what was unique about these mummies was first
they had three fingers and three toes, they had elongated skulls, they were
much thinner than normal Earth humans, and they did a series of In fact,
guy I paid for a series of very detailed scientific studies of these mummies
that must have run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars because some of the
DNA studies were sent to Russia and they came back showing that these mummies were
from Earth, but they had some unusual mixtures in their DNA. Following this
documentary, a lot of information came out against Heimi Massan and that these were
not real humanoids, that they were doll if you want to use a term,
and that they were not valid humanoids at all. Since that time,
there's been a lot of questions about, you know, the integrity of the
research team and Jimi Massan himself, and we were kind of left questioning the
whole thing. I don't know how Guya left it, but they did spend
a significant significant amount of money on Unearthed Nosca and I saw it and we
had Melissa on as a follow up, and you know, she was a
little disappointed at the reaction of the public to her documentary, but all in
all it came out barely well received. Today we're introducing a new research bit
of information that has come to me and Jimi Massan is in the picture again.
But we have as a guest today Michael Missoula, who is an award
winning filmmaker and he's done a couple of different documentaries. One of them is
called Unacknowledged Close Encounters of the fifth Kind. He's also done another one called
Missing four one one the UFO Connection and the Lost Century, and Michael was
able to be a part of a new unveiling. Apparently they have found another
mummy in Peru. We're going to find out the details of this, and
apparently this is much much more clearly human humanoid, I should say, but
there's some other characteristics that are just profound that we want to learn about.
So Michael, welcome to Earth Ancient. It's great to have you, great
to be here. Thank you for having me talk a little bit about how
you got involved with this project and your connection to Haimie Massan. Yeah,
I mean this is the last thing I expected to be involved in, right,
So, I've been full time documentary filmmaker and UFO researcher for the last
ten years or so. I've met Heimie a number of times at the Star
Warks conference in Laughlin, which is no longer happening. Was my friend Paula
Harris's conference. She'd always bring high me out. He'd give a presentation on
the bodies. It was always very compelling, but it's it's not something that
I was really obsessed with. It wasn't my really my area of focus with
the kinds of films that I was making, right, So, my documentaries
have always been more focused on on the human side of things. What have
humans done in response to us, you know, talking about military industrial complex,
fascism, media manipulation, cover ups, uh, false flags, stuff
like that, or on the spiritual and consciousness side, like with Close Encounters
of the Fifth Kind and some other projects. So, but I was kind
of peripherally aware of these bodies and I didn't know what to make of them.
And then last September, Haimi Massan brought two of these bodies in front
of the Mexican Congress and the story went super viral. Everybody saw this and
I had tons of people asking me, is this is this real or fake?
And I had I had no idea, but I realized, Okay,
this is something we're going to have to confront and deal with because this story
is building. It's it's not going away, uh, And I was I
was leaning towards fake, right, because it's it just seems it just seems
so ridiculous on the face of it. It's just how how could these be?
You know, two dead extraterrestrials or whatever or whatever they are. It
just it's just, you know, they look like something out of a Hollywood
special effects department. But my producing partner, Serena d C and I we
decided to go down and see the bodies and interview himie and we thought,
okay, we'll do a little news report, you know, we'll spend a
day filming and just you know, see what we find. So we go
down to Mexico City. We're in Heimi's office. We're looking at the two
bodies that he presented to the Mexican Congress. I'm sitting there and I have
friends sending me articles that are breaking that day. So it was breaking news
that day, and they were sending me these articles say hey, Michael,
you're wasting your time and they're fake. I mean, look at these articles.
And the articles were saying, Provian officials have determined that Heimen Massan's alien
mummies are fake. They're just dolls. Provian officials seized the bodies, they've
examined them, they've done testing and it's it's just animal bones and glue.
Right and then, and the articles had pictures of two little bodies, but
they're wearing dresses and sombreros and they look ridiculous. I'm sitting there reading this
and I've got the actual two bodies one foot from me, right, They're
sitting right in front of me, and I'm looking at my phone. I'm
looking at these bodies. I'm looking at my phone. I'm looking at these
bodies, and I'm saying, these are not the same bodies. This is
this is First of all, it's weird that this story is breaking while I'm
sitting here with these bodies, right, but these are these are not the
same specimen. And so that's the that's when I started to suspect, Okay,
something weird is going on here, you know, why are proving official
saying this, you know, and and trying to make people think that these
are the same bodies right when they're clearly not. So then we got introduced
to a guy named doctor Jose Salse And this guy was He's a lieutenant colonel
in the Mexican Navy. He's the head of all health research and Development for
the Mexican Navy. He liked the surgeon general for the Mexican Special Forces.
He's an expert in DNA forensics and he's worked on a lot of criminal cases.
He's an expert in forensic anthropology and forensic dentistry, so like exactly the
kind of guy you would want examining this, right, And you know,
he starts showing us CT scans and X rays and and again, I'm still
just talking about these two original bodies that Haimi presented to the Mexican Congress.
You're talking about Maria and what was the other one? So no, not
Maria. Maria is the larger one with the elongated skull. She's sort of
the human size one. He did examine Maria. We eventually talked to her,
but no, these are named Clara and Mauricio. What were the two
little ones that kind of went viral? Right? Okay? And you know,
so he's showing us the scans. He's saying, number one, it's
impossible, in his professional opinion, that these were constructed by somebody. He
said, there's no signs whatsoever of any kind of manipulation, you know,
and these things were perfectly mummified, so they've got partial organs intact, even
though they're a one thousand years old. You know, they were all preserved
in diatamacious. He said. The the skeleton is perfectly coherent. The you
know, again, doesn't appear to be assembled. He said, The joints
show the wear and tear that you would expect to see on a skeleton that
was used to walk around and move and live, you know. And and
there was also this metal implant, this breastplate made of osmium and cadmium and
pure silver. Things that, yeah, things that are toxic in human body
and other biological organisms on earth. But this thing was implanted in this being
while it was still alive. He could tell from the way it was integrated
into the tissue. And again and these are metals that you know, humans
didn't even know existed a thousand years ago, so you know, so where
did that come from? And and it was pregnant, It had eggs in
its belly and various stages of development. So he was saying it's impossible,
in his opinion, for this to be constructed. And so I was so
I was so impressed by doctor Salsa, And you know, he struck me
as such an incredibly competent, incredible expert. And he made it clear that
he had suffered greatly, you know, you know, professionally and socially for
having stuck his neck out, and you know, I mean, the Navy
wasn't thrilled that their their head of health basically was, you know, talking
about these alien hybrids. And that was actually the most most interesting thing he
said was that that there had been twelve independent DNA analyses done on them and
they all showed the same thing, which it was seventy percent combination of obo,
chimp and human, and that it and that there were markers in the
DNA that suggested they were spliced together. So that you're talking about genetic engineering
a thousand years ago, which begs the question who had the ability to do
genetic hybrids a thousand years ago? It wasn't us, right, yeah,
and then thirty unknown d right. So, and this is a really important
point is you know, while we have to consider the possibility it's extras true
because we don't we don't know the origin of this no lame definitively that came
from another planet. But who had do genetic engineering a thousand years ago?
You know what I mean? I think kind of the hypothesis here that makes
the most sense, at least for me, is that even if these things
never drew breath on another planet, even if they were. You know,
we're created here on earth. You know, the question is who created them?
Right? So I was I was sitting there listening to this and and
just realizing, oh my god, you know, there's so much confusion and
miss maybe about this. How isn't it mercilessly? And now all these articles
were coming out the day that I'm sitting there right saying it's just chicken bones
and glue. And so we Serena and I sort of said, well,
we want to we want to keep going, we want to we want to
talk to more of these scientists. And and Heine said, well, why
don't you come to Peru because you've got new bodies that are then found by
these treasure hunters and they're going to be handing them over to our scientific team
for examination. You come film it. So we went down to Peru and
that's when we saw the body Bastion and Santiago, which Heimi has just you
know, published, and Joyce Mantilla, the Peruvian journalists, these these images.
I can make sure you get a copy of all of them, of
these these two extraordinary bodies, and they look like children. They're they're in
a Lotus city, their seated position. Did they come from Did they come
from the same area that the other ones came from. Was it a the
same cave they excavated or was it a different location. No, this was
the same cave, and so we we actually got to go visit the cave.
Now, I didn't realize that it was a you know, ninety minute,
two hour vertical climb up a mountain and I have a horrible Yeah,
I have a horrible fear of heights. I got over you know, on
this trip. I was I mean it was. It was harrowing. It
was so scary. And then we finally got there and I was expecting you
can just walk into and instead it was this little hole and you had to
like get down on your belly and like squeeze into it. And so I
kind of just stuck my head and my claustrophobia just said, oh screw this.
So I ended up not going into the cave. I could see the
whole thing. It was not a very space. It went about eight feet
back, ten feet back. Maybe you couldn't stand up fully. My crew
went in and they filmed a little bit, and so it was spae that
the that was filled to the ceiling with dietamacious earth, and the entrance had
been blocked by a stack of rocks. When he removed the rocks, it
was just this dietamacious earth. And he started digging and revealing these, you
know, artifacts, and which I haven't seen the artifacts. I've only seen
the bodies, you know, the art. What are the artifacts like they
were They're like carvings. They're carvings that that depict you know, beings that
kind of like these bodies, you know, And so I I haven't seen
the artifacts myself. I don't know where, but I heard about them,
but I can't really speak to them. But anyway, we we we filmed,
you know, we we we we filmed the scientific team and these were
doctors from the University of Eca and Peru, surgeons from Lima, some of
the most you know, some of these people are absolute top of their fields.
And doctor Salsa from Mexico was there also. We went I've been Lima
or an Eco rather, and we were doing X rays for about five hours
and then they were examining the x rays and and you know, some of
these bodies had metal implants in them, you know, these weird metallica and
these things have to be analyzed. You know, there's there's you know,
there hasn't been DNA done on these new boss They need to do carbon dating.
We assume that there are a thousand years down with everything else, you
know, all this testing still needs to be done. But just based on
the tomography scans and the X rays. These scientists who are having this again,
these are you know, forensic anthropologists. These are these are you know
we have the top microhand surgeon in through the top head and neck. Are
you know these are really looking at these scans, they're saying these bodies are
totally coherent, these coherent structures, These are not assembled. And the accusation
that's been made is that, you know, it's it's grave robbers in Peru.
Who are you know, getting on YouTube and figuring out how to manipulate
mummies to create these things? And for me, that's just not that's not
credible. You know, that's the you would need, you know, you
would need a million dollar medical education to even know where to start to pull
hoax like this off. Let me start, let me stop you for a
minute. Sorry, go ahead, I'm I'm first of all, I'm curious
this location ninety feet up from the ground in a small cave. Is this
where all these mummies have been found or just the most recent mummies? No,
all of them. And it wasn't ninety feet it was ninety minutes.
It was a ninety minute vertical climb. Oh, ninety minutes to get up.
Oh so it was pretty high up. It was really high up.
It was really high up, and it was very very sketchy, and uh
yeah, I mean we didn't know where we were going. We were like
out in the middle of nowhere. We arrived and it was like this chicken
coop, you know, and then we walked through the chicken coop and then
there was just a trail going up this mountain. Uh. And then we
got off the trail. Our guide took us off the trail and we were
just climbing and I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna die.
But but I mean, you know what, first of all, what part
of Peru is it? Is it out in the sticks? Oh? Okay?
So so obviously grave robbers were the initial people who discovered this, and
they prefer the term treasure hunter. Treasure hunter, okay, okay, whatever.
Uh So this has been known about for a while was the damacious earth
brought in to bury these people or was it part of the composition of the
cave. Yeah, so it seems to have been brought in. So whoever
whoever buried these things knew exactly what they were doing, because the dietamacious earth
will pull out all of the all of the moisture and kind of preserve it
perfectly. So it was someone someone wanted to preserve these and and knew how
to do it. So yeah, yeah, this was out in the steps.
This was this was like in the in the countryside near Agnaska is the
nearest place, and we went, we flew over the Nasca Lines. You
know, we're making this documentaries, so we're we're looking at different angles and
we're like, okay, these things are discovered near Nasca. The Nasca Lines
are famous, these famous monuments that are really only properly visible from the sky,
but they're twenty five hundred years old. So it's like, well,
who were they made for? You know, well that's been a huge question
forever. You know, you only can see them from high elevations, and
they keep finding more and more. They're not just in Nasca, they're up
above the hills and around the area. Yeah, And it's funny because Gaya,
when they did this documentary attach the mummies to the glyphs the Nasca lines,
which are glyphs. But we don't know. We really don't know,
because unless you find artifacts from these mummies that somehow relate to the Nasca lines,
there's no way to know what the civilization was that actually made them.
Before we go on real quickly, does it appear to you as a researcher
that the rouvi And government is making fakes? No? No, no,
So that's such a good question. So we met a guy and we interviewed
him. He'll be in this film. His name is Manuel, and he
made the two fakes that everyone has seen in these articles, and those were
confiscated by the Peruvian officials. Now he says that he notified them that these
were works of art that he made. It was his hope to sell them
to tourists, you know, because he's from he's from the area where this
was found. He's from a town called Palpa, which is next to Naska,
you know. And he said, well, listen, you know,
these bodies are gonna this town on the map. We're going to get great
tourism, and you know, and so he so he's so he says,
he swears that he notified them that these were fakes. So he's the one
who made them. Now, if you read the news coverage, it says,
well, proving officials confiscated bodies similar to the ones that himI presented.
Right, well, that is that is very that's very misleading, right,
you know, uh, because these are these are works of art inspired by
the real ones. And again we're not claiming we know what the real ones
are, and maybe they are some kind of super elaborate hoaks. But even
the people who have taken that position, you know, there are some experts
who said this has to be some kind of elaborate fabrication. Even they say,
but that's just as extraordinary as if these were authentic, because we have
no idea how anybody could possibly construct something like this, let alone a thousand
years ago, you know, like it is this insane mystery. So all
we're saying is, look, they're not dolls, they're not chicken bones and
glue, they're not paper mache. You know, they're not cake art,
which I saw a comment I thought that was really funny. Someone said they
look like cake art, and you know, we don't know what they are,
but we have enough really credible scientists who have spent years examining these you
know, doctor Roger Zuniga, an anthropologist at the University of Eca. He
led a twelve man team for several years examining these things, particularly the body
Maria, the larger, more human size one right, and and after years
of examination, are saying, buddy, this is this is not a fabrication.
Now they might be wrong, but isn't you know, is that something
that we can really just dismiss out of hand, you know? And and
something I have personally seen throughout this process is I've had many reporters and friends
and advisors say to me with a straight face, with no self awareness at
all, well, you know, it doesn't mean anything until you get American
scientists to look at it. And for me, that's so ethnocentric or racist
or whatever you want to do. Yeah, it's totally racist. It's totally
so racist. Yeah. So I'm as typical as typical when it comes to
archaeology and anthropology as well as like, until the Americans can see these things,
we can't verify their authenticity. It's like what what does that matter?
But I mean, this is this is really bad. I want you.
I have a number of photographs of this new these new bodies, this one
child, which looks so alien. The head's long and the eyes are slit.
It looks like you could maybe like a gray if you if you could
classify it. What we know about alien civilizations? What little we know?
Uh? But talk a little bit about this child, because not only does
it have a very elongated head, what is the guests to meet in terms
of the age the in terms of how old it was in the past.
Yeah, I I don't. I don't know the answer to that. Okay,
Now I know that they can do these things are often estimated based on
the wear and tear on the bones. But I don't. I don't recall
if I ever heard an age estimate for these guys. So I'm sorry,
I don't have an answer on that. Okay, coming forward, this this
this new announcement. And by the way, for those of you listening,
uh this, you guys are just down there? What last week? Right?
This just happened. We were down there a month ago and then last
week we did a we did a press conference at the Montre on in West
Hollywood where we where we unveiled this stuff, and we we couldn't bring the
bodies the United States legally. Unfortunately, it's a whole it's a whole legal
process to do that, I would imagine. Yeah, so we which is
which is weird because the Peruvian government has taken the position and these are fake
so you think, well, what's the issue, right, But you know,
we have to do things through the proper legal channels. So that's a
whole, that's a whole other process to go through, and we needed to
unveil this stuff. So what we did was the next best thing. We
had a live link to the labs in Peru and so we actually had Joyce
Mantilla, the Peruvian journalists down there in the lab. Then they put these
two bodies through the the scanner and they were showing the live scans. It
was it was really cool. Unfortunately, our English live stream failed, so
I had so many angry people screaming at us online and saying you idiots,
you you know, and it was so embarrassing. But the Spanish live stream
worked and it had a really really good impact. You know, We're going
to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors to identify themselves, and
we will return shortly with my guests today, Michael maazoo Lah discussing this new
Pruvian mummy. We'll be right back. My guest today is Michael Missoula.
He is a documentary film maker who specializes in anomalies UFOs u AP coverage,
and he has had a chance to see and discuss this new mummy that's coming
out of Peru. Unlike the earlier mummies we reported with Melissa Tittle from Gaya,
this is a whole different hybrid, a whole different type of humanoid.
And we're getting an idea today just how special this discovery is. What so
far other than the beautiful crany of this little child, what is unique about
these new bodies? Are they similar to Maria and the others? I mean
they look similar. Obviously they're bleached white because of the soil that they were
buried in. But what are some of the unique descriptives that you can present?
Yeah, so the thing that they all these guys have in common is
the three fingers and three toes, right, So that's why we're to get
away from calling them the Nasca alien mummies, even though that's I still call
them that because that's what they're known as, but we're trying to rebrand them
as the tridactyl beings, right, you know, hidactyl meaning you know,
fingers. And when I was when I was first interviewing doctor Salsa a couple
months ago in Mexico City, I said, you know, these things don't
have These things don't have thumbs. You know, it doesn't that indicate a
disadvantage, an evolutionary disadvantage. You know, if these are some sort of
extraterrestrial species, or if they are the product of genetic engineering by some sort
of advanced intelligence, you know, why would they have less sophisticated hands than
us? And he said his answer really cool. He said, well,
actually, that's that's not the case. He said, the way the hands
are constructed, they actually seem to be more refined than ours, where they
don't they don't need the thumb. They're able to coil their fingers the way
that they're constructed around around objects and grasp them without the need of a thumb.
So they actually might be a more streamlined evolutionary design. Is that because
there's perhaps more joints in the hand, an extra joint that allows for greater
flexibility. Yes, And in some of the bodies, the in Clara and
Mauricio, the two that originally went viral, the way that the necks are
constructed, the vertebrae in the neck, it appears as if they're able to
elongate their necks. And I said, oh my god, like ET.
Yeah, and just what everybody says right there, like yeah, it does
like ET. And you know, I've been in the been in the UFO
field for a long time, and so you hear all kinds of lore and
and so you know, I don't know what's I sometimes don't know what's true
and what's what's reliable what isn't. But something I've heard for a long time
from reliable sources was that the film ET was based on was inspired by our
real case where a being was left behind. Now again I don't know if
that's true. It's really cool if it is true. Yeah, And but
we do know for sure that Spielberg's other ET film, Close Encounters of the
Third Kind. You know, he was given access for that. You know,
Jacques Frolet was an advisor to the project. And I believe j al
and Heinek had a cameo uh in the film. Yeah, yeah, so
I mean he was he was given real access for that. So, I
you know, I think I think it's it's possible that you know, et
could have been inspired by a real thing. I just thought that was so
interesting that anyway, doctor Salse said they could elongate their their necks like that,
that's pretty cool. Do did the I don't know if there was a
pathologist there, but the scientists that did the scans on this child, did
they get a sense of or a measurement of the interior cranial vault to understand
if the brain was significantly bigger or that the head was just elongated and that
the brain mass was the same as ours. Oh man, that is such
a good question. Uh I. I do not know about their their relative
brain size, and again that would also go back to then estimating age,
right, and then comparing that to a human of the same age. Let
me talk to them and see if I can get an answer to that.
That's a really good question. Yeah, send me that detail that I'll post
it on our Facebook page to our listeners because we have a big audience on
Facebook. And by the way, those of you who are following along,
I will be posting a small gallery of these humanoids that were taking photos and
scans that were taken somewhat recently, including this beautiful child who looks just like
an et. It's like Jesus Christ, and it's so elegant, it's so
well preserved, there's no way. I mean, who knows if it's fake
or not. But it looks pretty damn real to me. I mean,
listen, it looks it looks real to us too. And again we can't
rule out that this isn't some kind of super elaborate fake, right, But
again, what these FORENDS experts are telling us, uh, and it's not
just the ones who've come forward. We've got a lot of forensic experts who
are advising us who do not want to come forward yet, you know,
because they're nervous, right. But they're saying to us, they're saying,
this would require for these to be fakes, This would require you know,
a million dollar medical education. Yeah, hundreds of thousands of dollars in equipment,
materials and technology that we don't know exists yet in order to pull this
off. They're saying, we have absolutely no idea how somebody could possibly construct
this. I recently got confronted by another another filmmaker who I won't I won't
name that he was he was screaming at me. He's saying, these are
these are these are fakes. It's been debunked. You know. Grave robbers
in Peru are getting on YouTube and learning how to soak mummies in water to
make them pliable, and then they twist them into and for for me,
that is so implausible, Like the idea that these are alien hybrids is way
more likely than the fact that these Because I met these guys, I met
the treasure hunters. We interviewed one of them. You know, he took
us to the cave, We went to his house. You know, this
is not someone who strikes me, and and not to be disrespectful to him
at all, but I'm not sophisticated enough to pull off a hoax like that.
You know, this guy's not sophisticated enough to pull off a hoax like
that. And for what to sell this thing for a few thousand dollars dollars
on the black market. It doesn't make any sense. It doesn't said.
Let's let's talk about what we know. So talk a bit about the DNA
evidence that been taken the DNA samples. At the beginning, you gave some
generalized markers here and there, but can you give us some specifics as to
how much of it is Earth human and then what is perhaps the unusual or
perhaps off world DNA pattern? Yeah, of course, So again talking about
the two original bodies that Heimi brought in front of the Mexican Congress, the
ones that went super viral, right, because the new bodies we just unveiled
haven't had DNA analysis done. Now we have a number of labs. You
know, everyone's gonna get their wish. Everyone who said, oh you got
to have American scientists, Well you're gonna get your wish. We've got a
number of extremely prestigious university laboratories that have taken interest in this. Now it's
just a matter of figuring out, okay, how do we You know,
we've got to go through the proper channels. The University of Eca has to
send samples. There's a whole legal process, so that's got to take its
course, right, and it has to be scientific too. It has to
be you know, you know, a clean room or whatever without you know,
bad air, all that kind of stuff. Yeah, exactly. It's
got to be scial it's got all that stuff, you know, way above
my pay grade. So so the the the two original bodies, they've had
twelve independent DNA analyses done in Mexico and Peru. There was also I believe
a lab in Russia that was involved. Ye, and everyone got the same
results. Now, they were taking DNA from the from the inside of the
skull of one of these all right, is where they where they took the
samples from. Wow. Right, And and actually I will say, as
a side note for the radiocarbon dating, the way they determined that these things
were one thousand years old, They tested the dietamacious earth that they were packed
in. They took samples from the exterior of the bodies and from the interior
of the bodies, and all three of those said one thousand years old.
So that's how we determine the age. In terms of the DNA it was
seventy percent fibrid between chimps, bonobos, and humans. And I don't remember
the exact breakdown between between those three. But according to doctor Salse again,
lieutenant colonel in the Mexican Navy, expert in DNA forensics, he interpreted the
DNA results for us, and he said that there were markers in the DNA
that indicated that these were spliced together. Then you had thirty percent of the
DNA that was completely unknown. So for all the billions of base pairs in
gen bank and every species that's ever been documented, right, thirty percent of
this thing there was no match. That's really weird, right, So seventy
percent common ancestry, Right, it's not seventy percent human, but it's seventy
percent common ancestry. It's bonobo's, it's gymps, it's human, and thirty
percent totally unknown and again a thousand years old, and again seemingly a hybrid.
So who had the ability to do that? And something I said at
the press conference but my audio was cut out, we had all these all
these problems. So I think it's worth repeating here is that none of these
scientists who we've met and who've come forward in Mexico and pro none of them
are saying the science is settled. You have to believe us. They've been
so open about the work that they've done and the work that needs to be
done, and they're so anxious to have the worldwide scientific community come and participate
in this. Yeah. Yeah. The thing that you're talking about, though,
is a problem because as a ufologist, which is what I consider who
you are, I've been in it as a program director for conferences for years,
probably over thirty years. And the problem is that because the Americans follow
the Brookies Institute document that basically says if we reveal evidence of an alien or
hybrid civilization, the public will lose their mind, religions would leave, people
will commit suicide, all this bullshit. This document was written sixty years ago,
but it's still being adhered to by the authorities. So disinformation runs rampant,
and so any revelation of a new species that lived on Earth a thousand
years ago is immediately put into questions. So when you're telling me that American
scientists are now opening to the possibilities of this and wanting to inspect it themselves,
you've got to be on the fence about that. I mean, tell
me how you feel about that, because you know the problems we deal with
when we deal with any evidence of an alien or even a hybrid species being
on Earth. I mean, it's a scary premonition, not premonition, but
it's a scary possibility of getting like other fake automatically going to the dark side
of all this research. Yeah, so that's such an important point you brought
up, because we know how centralized scientific researches in the United States, and
we know that there's a lot of sort of exposure points, pressure points for
scientists where you know, if you want to suppress something, there's ways to
apply pressure to people, you know. So part of the part of the
answer is to get a lot of different people involved. So this isn't resting
on one person's credibility, you know, because if it's up to one scientist
and you pressure Ham, then you know you've discredited the whole thing. But
if you have multiple teams, multiple universities, it has a better chance of,
you know, of some kind of real science taking place. Also,
you know, a number of the people who are expressing interest to us behind
the scenes are people who are top of their field, but they're at the
end of their careers, so they don't really care about out Oh I'm not
going to get tenure or I might lose my funding. They're saying to us,
Hey, man, I got nothing to lose at this point. I'm
good and I just want to have fun and this this is fun and interesting,
you know. And and they've looked at the scans, the the tomography,
the X ray CT scans, et cetera. Uh preliminary DNA stuff that's
come out of Mexico and Peru, and they're saying, if this is if
this is real, this is crazy, Like just if you didn't photoshop these
images like this is so you know, the next the next step is we
need we need to get these scientists down to Peru because that's that's where these
bodies are, that's where you know, that's where the research is taking place.
So that's what we're working on until we're in a position where we can
send amples to American laboratories or even bring the bodies out of the country.
But again, that's a whole that's a whole legal process. So let me
ask you another question about this the DNA. You said that doctor Benitez said
there was gene manipulation. Now we here right now, well not recently,
Crisper came out, which is a a gene splicing tool, and they're promoting
it as a way to remove disease make superhumans. I mean, that's the
worst case scenario, How does he know that the genes were spliced? Can
he tell under a electron microscope that the genes have been manipulated in that fashion?
So yeah, he says, according to the way he interprets the DTA
analysis that's been done, there are markers that indicate splicing. That's that's his
interpretation of the data. It's above my pay right. But again, we're
not. None of these guys are saying take my word for it. They're
saying, please come scrutinize, criticize, challenge scientific process take place. You
know, there's been so much cold water thrown on this. You know,
at our at our press conference, we had an amazing media turnout, and
we had almost no coverage because these these writers and these videographers went back to
their editors and the editors said, oh, that's been debunked, you know,
so it's you know, so it was really it was really disappointing for
that reason. We're not we're not giving up. But you know, even
in the US, I mean I would say that the and it'd be I
love this community, but it's more skeptical towards these things. Now, Like
I have just friends who are not into this stuff, who think this is
the coolest thing ever. And my friends in the UFO community, who you
think would be all over this, they're saying, Oh, why are you
messing around with that. You're ruining your reputation, you know. Oh,
you're throwing your career away. Blah blah blah. You know, why are
you associating with a hoax? Why are you associating with himI Massan? Personally?
I love Jimi. I think Jimi is a hero, and he's he's
a brilliant guy, you know, and his motivation is just to get some
kind of redemption for these beings. He understands that these beings belong to the
people of Peru. It's his vision to have a museum in Peru where people
could come in and see these things. You know. He has fought so
hard to stop them from disappearing into private collections on the black market. That's
why I say he's hero, because all he's doing is getting criticized and attacked
and slandered by in a lot by this community. You know, this community
could be brutal. So I don't mind, I don't mind defending himI.
I think he's an amazing guy. Uh talk a little bit about the surroundings
where these mummies were found. Are there any ruins? Are there is there
any evidence of civilization in and around the caves? I mean, this is
one of the big problems I have with these artifacts that are found in uh
Jilesco, Mexico. I don't know if you know about these jewelry that now
is flooding eBay, you can see. I mean it's very expensive. I
was at a contact in the desert last year and there was a guy who
had a whole table of these artifacts. And the problem is there's no ruins,
there's no evidence, and of course Mexico is very poor and so there's
great some of it has has been tested, but a lot of it seems
like it's coming out of a manufacturing group of people. How let's go,
what do you say to that? Yeah, So I was looking to acquire
some artifacts because they pop up every now and then. And we were talking
about a couple of years ago doing a UFO museum, you know, in
la and so we wanted we wanted artifacts, and so I had my one
of my investors was saying, oh, I want to acquire this stuff.
And I don't even remember kind of how it was presented to us as an
opportunity. But he asked me, he said, hey, we need someone
who can help us vet this. So I got a referral actually through Gia.
I called Guia and my friend's there and they referred me to somebody.
And so he was kind of giving us the lay of the land, and
he said, listen, you gotta be you got to be really careful because
there are big criminal syndicates that are making fake ones. I believe they know
that there's like dumb, rich Americans who are just buying fake alien artifacts.
And they said, you got to be really careful who you point the finger
at and accuse of selling a fake, because you might be pointing the finger
at some very dangerous individuals. So I'm I'm very skeptical automatically of all these
artifacts. And I know that the market has just been flooded with knockoffs and
fakes. And and the problem with a lot of this is if it's you
know, if it's not being pulled out of an official archaeological dig, if
it's just treasure hunters or grave robbers or whatever, you have no chain of
custody, you know, Yeah, it's like, oh, I have to
take a basically a criminals word for it that these were found here and what
so for me, it's just not even worth the headache of trying to sort
out what's real or fake. I'm way more interested in the bodies. Wow,
as we close, and this has been really fun Michael to have you
on and to hear what you've discovered. You said something very interesting at the
very beginning that was discovered during one of the CT scans, and that is
a metal plate inserted into the body at what was about a very young age.
What does this look like what is seen in the scans other than the
plate? Is there any markings? Any talk about that? So there's no,
there's no markings on it. It kind of looks like a like a
a chicken wishbone. And it's over to the breastplate of this being the one
that's pregnant, and it seemed to be there. We don't really know why,
but it's they kind of hypothesized it was there to sort of help with
a fracture. Right. Oh, so it's a medical but the but the
other bodies have implants as well. There's stuff in the necks, there's plates
in the head. Uh, some of them have weird patterns. I mean,
it's it's really trippy. And again we we this stuff has to be
studied, you know. But the preliminary analysis from these forensic experts, they're
saying, Okay, these things were surgically implanted while these beings were still a
lot and it was done so perfectly, it was completely perfectly integrated into the
tissue. He said, this could not have been done post mortem. And
again, this metal is it's it's osmium and cadmium and you know, stuff
that humans didn't even know about to the twentieth century and stuff that's you know,
not great for human biology. You wouldn't want to have this stuff implanted
in you. So it's just it's super weird. It needs to be properly
studied. Yeah, the reason that's weird getting I don't know if you know
this or not, but in pre dynastic mummies they have found, using X
rays, jewels and other precious and semi precious stones being placed under the skin
and they see them in the arms and the chest and in the legs,
and a lot of people have thought that they were used in some form of
enhancement because if you follow sderial astrology. The Hindus use special stones to repel
vibrations during bad periods of astrological cycles, and they're also used for enhancement.
So when you said there was a plate, I thought to myself, this
is an enhancement of some kind. Yeah, it might be, which is
very cool. Yeah, we don't know. So you'll see it in the
in the press, can't We've got images of that. Yeah, oh you
do have some of the some of the insertion, some of the implants.
Oh yeah, yeah, okay, So Daniel sent me a whole group of
photographs part of that. So do you know which Will I be able to
tell which ones have the implants or not? You should? You should be
able to. It's in the folder talking about yoh okay, yeah I got
that one. Okay, yeah, wow, should be I'll double. This
has been real fun. As we conclude, what what's ther takeaway on these
new mummies? Because is it those? Is it the new mummies that the
Americans are are interested in in? Uh, it's all of the about it's
everything. It's Maria, it's the two small ones, the original ones,
these new ones, you know, and I'm sure this won't be the end,
you know. I mean there's people digging stuff up. I see stories
emerging all the time out of uh chilling, the out of comma. You
know. I think I think as we become kind of normalized to this stuff,
more and more scientists will step up and want to want to test it.
Uh, you know, I think I think the takeaway is that no
one is claiming we know what these are. Okay, it's very unlikely.
It's very unlikely that it's a hoax. That's why we called our film that's
gonna be coming out this summer, this is not a hoax, because when
we got there, we're like, oh, this is not a hoax like
we thought it was. We feel like screaming from the rooftop. Oh my
god, it's not a hoax. So the film will present all the research
that's been done to date. Everyone's got a theory, but we don't know.
Yeah, do you have a name for your documentary? Are you still
in the process of entity? This is not a hoax? That's the name.
Oh, this is not a hoax. H okay? Uh? And
where are you Where are you gonna be playing this small venues like conferences and
things like that, or Yeah, we we might be, assuming everything's done
in time, we might be showing a sneak peek of some scenes at Contact
in the Desert. Well, we'll be speaking this year, but yeah,
otherwise it'll go out. We have distribution. It will go out for why
digital release this summer. Okay, Hey, give us your website so people
can can read more about you. I don't have a website, but you
can follow me on Twitter or X. I guess at broke Back UFO is
me and for all my hot takes on UFO news, et cetera. O.
Yeah, yeah, Michael Mazzola. All right, so are you on
Facebook? I am not? Just Twitter? Okay, just Twitter? All
right. Hey, this is fascinating, and thank you for updating us on
these highbred humans. I'd sure like to know a great deal more about them,
and I wish that we'd have more buy in. But it looks like
from the US, it looks like it's slowly happening. So perhaps your your
prognosis that simply because of the overwhelming number of research people that are involved in
it, that the Americans are finally saying, Okay, we need to look
at this a little closer. It'll be It'll be a slow process, but
there's there's a shift. Eventually the truth will come out, you know.
And if we're not the ones to make the shift happen, that's fine,
you know. We will make our contribution with this film and we'll move on.
But eventually the truth will come out and maybe maybe this will blow up
in our faces and it's just this incredibly elaborate hoax. Uh, And then
we'll make a film about that. We'll make a film about the most amazing
medical hoax ever. You know. Yeah, very expensive, if it's a
hoax, it's very expensive. You're right. So all right, hey man,
thank you for spending some time, and we'll have you back when you
officially release your documentary. I would love that, thanks, Cliff. I
keep hoping for some miracle of revelation, information, data, research, explanation
of hybrids in our past. Obviously, this is evidence of beings walking the
earth thousand a thousand plus years ago, but are there hybrids among us?
You know? What's going on? And why isn't our government more fully involved
in this? Why do we have to have it covered up? Why is
it always a fear of our response to alien interventions? Hybrid beings likely from
another planetary system, and are they connected with the UAPs, the UFOs,
even the undergrounds they under excuse me, the underground and underwater bases that are
quite prevalent that the military regularly reports on. Why do we have to be
kept in the dark. Why can't our media, Why can't the military,
Why can't our governmental agencies just say, Look, we are part of a
collective of humanoids that live in our cosmos? Is it so hard for them?
Are we so backwards and high strung that we can't handle evidence of alien
race? Apparently? So? Really apparently so? You know, and you've
heard me say this a billion times, is this little piece of paper that
NASA requisition from the Brookings Institute known as the Brookings Report, really the foundation
for this paranoia, for this lack of clarity that we just can't seem to
get over, or I should say the military can't seem to get over themselves
when it comes to revealing important data. And this is probably why I'm so
damn fascinated in it and have been fascinated for thirty plus years. Is the
fact that these vehicles, unmanned and manned vehicles, these creatures highbred part human
part not you know, and the other thing I was thinking about. I'll
bring this up a really quickly. Years ago I interviewed people like Bud Hopkins,
doctor John Mack, and others who had written extensively of what they believed
was a hybridization program going on between aliens and humans. Women were being abducted,
They're having their ovum eggs removed, and then they were brought back months
sometimes years later, and the the alien aliens would tell them that there's a
child here that we want you to meet, and then the woman would meet
the child and the child would be identified as theirs. You know, didn't
look anything well. I mean, it looked partially human, but there was
also hyghbred with an alien. What's going on? Is this creature that we
saw in this interview and discussed in this interview, is this one of these
hybrids? Were they taking ovum and sperm from ancient Earth humans? What the
hell is going on? And why? Why bother We don't know. It's
a really big question. If you're interested in hybrids, get Bud Hopkins book
Intruders, and then also John Max's book is fairly blunt. The title is
Abduction and he's a Harvard site psychiatrists that wrote extensively, not only on American
abductions, but worldwide abductions, and in many cases, and this is really
weird. In many cases he discovered that the experience of being abducted and taken
on these ships, sometimes taken out of the Earth's orbit and into other areas
of the cosmos was pleasant for people, was pleasant for the women, and
they guided them and let them know that they needed this for study. You
know, I can't remember the details. If they were saying we needed to
repopulate or planet it or not. That could be guesswork on my part,
so don't take me directly at that. But there's a lot of interesting studies
that have been done on alien interactions, and these hybrids are very, very
curious. It just adds to the intrigue, the intrigue of wanting to know
what's going on with Earth lanes. God help us, we need to know,
We need to know. I am of the firm belief that as soon
as we have an understanding that we are not alone, that we are part
of a perhaps collective, or that we're not I mean that we're part of
a planetary system of beings associated with other planets. Once we know this,
we are changed forever. Maybe that's the crux of it. Maybe the powers
that be know that as soon as we find out, we're not going to
be the same, everything's going to change. And maybe that's the other thing.
Religions are not going to be able to have their tight grip on us.
You must follow the Bible, you must follow Christ Mary whoever else they
want to put up on the altar and tell us to pray to That would
change that. Perhaps, you know I said this before as well, why
don't they ask people in the social media? Wy don't they ask Google,
Instagram, X all the other social media? Why don't they ask them for
their opinions? They would be blown out of their chairs because everybody, for
the most part, I'd say, they would say, yes, we want
to know, No, we're not afraid. Bring it on. You gotta
wonder what the hell's going on Sometimes who's in the driver's seat with some of
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