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Hello everybody, Welcome back to That's
normtally your weekly one stop shop that everything

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rock and heavy metal related. We
are back once again, this time with

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a big, old hefty review show. It's a week later than it normally

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is. It also means that we
have some serious stuff that's amounted over,

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like I guess, slightly larger than
the usual timeframe of what we account for

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in these There are some you know, large conspicuous contenders that kind of you

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know, poked their way in.
But we are going to let you know

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all about that. Name is Parin
Hayish with me today, Sam Dignant.

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Is the two of us here today. Are you ready to talk some varied

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contentious stuff. Yeah, I mean, it's it's, it's, it's it's

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a I think it's quite a nice
batch of albums we've got in a way

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where there's actually loads of different sort
of genres going on, and it is

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a bit all over the things.
It's gonna be like interesting discussions to be

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had, even if some of the
albums I'm sure won't be to everyone,

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won't be everyone's cup of tea,
but I'm ready for it. And then

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you know, off to outbreak.
So I'm in a good place at the

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moment. Yeah, you know,
I think there's some kind of like almost

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like dark Horse good stuff in this
particular batch. I mean, that's a

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really good shot about some of these
records. Actually, yes, in lieu

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of a news section, We're not
gonna be the full new thing this time,

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but I guess this is a little
bit different than what we normally do.

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Ahead of our album reviews, which
I should tell you we are gonna

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be reviewing the new albums for and
Bring Me the Horizon, the story so

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far, Joey valanceon Bray, Candy
Umbrevite, Rotten christ and July Christmas.

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But ahead of all that, we
have all the rare occasion the TNM movie

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our Extravaganza, which we do sometimes
do about like horror movies and stuff on

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the Patreon, But no, this
is different. This is here on the

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main show because this is actual,
like that's no metal music cinema going event.

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And of course referring to the fact
that this past week was the release

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of Ghosts Cinematic Extravaganza, the Ghost
film right here right now, which was

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announced earlier in the year, I
suppose, and we were kind of yeah,

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it was announcerent like, oh yeah, like, it's awesome that ghost

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have a film. It's kind of
if you're going to put money on anyone,

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like any band of ours who has
emerged in the last like twenty years

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to have a film, it would
be ghost But we were like, oh,

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what, what do we really expect
from this, because I mean,

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I personally myself, this is the
first time I've ever gone to see a

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concert film in the cinema, like
the second one for me, I did

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not go to the Era's Tour.
You're missed out? Yeah, I mean

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that's led to this kind of generally
being coined as the Era's Tour film for

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goths because of the proximity of which
it came out. But yeah, like

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you know, my my bands per
se, they don't really you know,

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go see the Collboy one. I
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point. Actually that one is invarian
memory. I didn't for my sins,

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I did not make it out to
the Coolbay one. But the only comparison

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we really had was like Through the
Never, which you know I have seen

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Through in there. I did not
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yeah, with Ghosts, we were
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to be a concert film, it's
going to be footage of the Emperor tour

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that went over the last couple of
years, but you know, they promised

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some kind of narrative feature film element
to kind of bump up to that status,

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and you wonder, like how to
what degree, what percentage? You

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know, And again the only thing
we had was something like Through the Never,

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which I think is I don't know, it's generally viewed as being part

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of kind of Metallica's strange, failed
experimental era when they tried things like their

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own music festival book in the Artic
Monkeys, and like, we know we're

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gonna make a film that has like
a feature film element, and everyone kind

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of looked at that side of it, and when I don't really know what

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you're trying to do here, I
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Ghost film. What did you have, like, I don't know, high

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expectations for let's say, the feature
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So it's old because I think you
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the feature film stuff with a band
like Ghost, But given like what I

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actually expected them to do, it
kind of met my expension on that front,

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but I like, I would have
liked to have seen more, but

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basically an extension of their YouTube skits
was exactly what I expected. Ultimately,

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yeah, I essentially agree, and
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I mean, I guess we were
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discussed it. Outside of this,
we both like had an excellent time at

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the movies, for want of a
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it. You know, we love
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so I was just really excited to
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like and the concer side of it. I had an absolute blast watching it,

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and I'm sure we'll dig into a
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the individual parts that make it rock. Yeah, I mean, because I

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saw I'm looking back at the Setlezon
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very first night. Certainly it was
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kind of imperio tore that opened up
when they started doing the UK and Europe,

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like the month after the album came
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in September of last year in Los
Angeles, so I was kind of I

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was like, the tour has evolved
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Like this is essentially the touring cycle
that I saw, but the actual film

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has come like a fair way in
from the dates I attended. And yeah,

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the show side is you know,
just like extravagant and dazzling and spectacular

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and everything that I kind of you
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show. And as you say,
we will talk about kind of you know,

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that side of it in just a
moment. But around that my fear,

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I suppose was to be very very
dramatic about it. My fear was

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kind of realized. I would like
to downplay how negative experience actually had on

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me watching it, because like,
yeah, essentially it's like ninety percent amazing

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you know, concert from Ghost and
ten percent stupid YouTube skits, and you

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know, I do have to.
I feel like I have to, you

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know, put my want to be
film critic hat on and say that like

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the ten percent of like narrative stuff
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status is rubbish. I would again, like, I mean, it really

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didn't affect my experience of enjoying the
movie, but it is not good and

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it like it like there is there
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me chuckle a little bit, and
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if that's the you know, if
that's the hit right then, because it

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feels like it's a minor part of
the movie, but it does. It's

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like at times can feel like it's
this constant kind of like stepping away from

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what's really good to have a couple
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Yeah, it took so long,
So basically they tried to put in

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like a story arc, and I
think for me, there's kind of those

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like stupid YouTube videos they do.
Like I am perfectly fine with them as

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like marketing gimmick. You know,
like when they do it's like, oh,

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you know the Ghost Entry, you
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and it's like, you know,
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and chatting about some bullshit and then
you know, a tourist announced or like

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a new you know, seven inch
single, whatever kind of you know,

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pops out the other end of it. That's fine, it's a marketing gimmick

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and they work very well for that. But they're like short contained busts.

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They're they're they're they're fine. For
what they are. Yeah, but it's

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not real storytelling, is it.
And the way they go, Okay,

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we need to take those like YouTube
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law that's built up around ghost but
turn it into an actual like story with

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like like an emotional arc or anything
that you would expect from a film.

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They just like barely pull it off
here. The way they even try and

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develop a story is because obviously it's
it's a concert film. It feels so

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slow to actually develop anything. It's
just like every few songs it cuts away

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to literally like the sister imperative character
giving Papa the thumbs up, and then

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they just like go on their way
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The first couple of them are like
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bit where he basically has to make
his way to the like the second stage

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where you actually if it was like
any kind of actual development happens, it's

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kind of just like ghosts backstage and
like and then they hear these other characters

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that like this is some perative and
the ghost of Papa Na Hill and all

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that, like, yeah, it's
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happening until you're about halfway through,
and then they're trying to like shoehorning this

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whole narrative about living in the moment
and not being afraid of what tomorrow brings

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and yeah, stuff, which basically
feels like they've taken you know, the

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lyric from Square Hammer that they've used
as the title for this because it's quite

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punny, right, you know,
right, and they've gone, let's extrapolate

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a theme out of that and kind
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onto the Papa character after the fact
that Papanie Hill, like just there's a

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bit where they jump down into like
the little box that transports them, and

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they just add that's a bit where
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but it is Papaneel just like rambling, just likely, and it really

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stuck out to me. The very
first thing that happens is, you know,

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it brings you into the story and
there's narration which if I need to

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go and double check this, but
in the credits narration by Troy Sanders,

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which you know they've toured together at
various times, so it's not the total

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surprise, but you know, I
can't believe they did this to my man

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Troy, because Troy has to deliver
the most like jumbled several years worth of

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YouTube skit position exposition into about a
minute and a half, and the way

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he does I was thinking about bizarrely, I was thinking about five Nights at

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Freddy's and sump, it's all the
rage, isn't it? Like Yeah,

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And I was thinking but what specifically
I was thinking about law dumps for people

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who aren't already in on it and
the kind of separation of and I think

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you know, we've seen with like, you know, particularly certain kind of

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you know, kind of certain gen
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like five that's of Freddy's universe.
There's all of us law, and they

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like there is this kind of obsessive
consumption of law. And I was,

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you know, again, some of
the kind of like you know, random

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ghost fan accounts you see on Twitter
kind of operate in a very similar way

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to something like that, and they're
so brought into it. Yeah, And

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it's like the details of the things
that pop up in this movie like are

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kind of part of the appeal.
But in terms of translating that to like

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again actual storytelling and how I don't
know, obnoxious. It would appear to

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someone like if someone just likes Ghosts
the band and they're going to the film,

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but they're not bought in on all
the stuff, how annoying and off

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putting. Might they find that extra
element? You know? Because so that's

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because I somewhat land in that sort
of character. Well I'm not. I'm

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not homeerent in on the ghost so
I can take or leave it. Because

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there was what I was like,
is this gonna start to detract from management?

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me, I just about was able
to kind of like compartmentalize and kind of

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be like, Okay, give me
a minute and then move back to rocking.

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comparison is through and through than ever
is a lot more kind of even in

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terms of like the feature film element
and the concert film element, whereas this,

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it was like the narrative stuff is
like downplay to such a degree that

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you can essentially just enjoy the concert
film element of it. You know.

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I was thinking again more just in
terms of like how helpful this is for

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newcomers necessarily, Like someone might watch
this film and kind of would encourage them

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to go further or would they just
kind of think this is annoying and and

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now probably look it as a bit
nath Yeah, because and it didn't just

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like visually, these like behind the
scenes skits and stuff, they're just that

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they're so clearly production value. It's
like YouTube, and that's fine for a

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YouTube video, but you blow it
up on a big screen, it just

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immediately rings like you're not watching a
real movie. Term, So those parts

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are a bit shit. And again, like some of the gags and stuff,

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even though in the concert film,
in the concert itself, there are

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bits that when you translated to a
film just feel a bit weird. There's

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like throwaway gangs. There's a bit
when he puts on like the kind of

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rocky the you know, the boxing
kind of don't be cool, like the

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boxing weird sort of gown of the
road. Yeah, and it's got like,

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you know, Papa embrazened on the
back And I can vaguely remember that

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happening at the tour, but it's
such a kind of throwaway moment. But

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in a film, when you're like
sat watching in a cinema and it's like

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a two to three minute segment of
him putting this robe on and then he

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walks off stage and nothing happens.
Out of the film him walking through the

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crowd in the box walking their way
throing it is like I chuckled at that.

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I was. I was like,
it's such a weird visual gag for

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ghosts to do that. That was
the one, Like, I mean,

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I didn't mind the bits of comedy
in the actual concept movie, the whole

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what day is it? It's and
the and the one in the encore is

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like this is my after show jacket. I'm like downgrade it. Like so

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they carricually be quite funny when he's
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and sort of playing up the campside
of it. And that was I think

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that was actually my problem with the
behind the scenes. None of it ever

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felt camp enough. I wanted them
to go all in on being like Sillier

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with that sort of stuff and not
trying like granted, and it just felt

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weirdly disconnected from like on so from
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actually then was occurring during the concert
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it's like a a small enough portion
of the overall film that you can just

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kind of be like over it the
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right, I kind of go,
mayre fine and engage with you know what

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the actual the meat of it is. The flip side of that is maybe

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you wanted Ghost to be a little
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of That's what I was kind of
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have liked throw back kind of like
horror movie kind of thing that they could

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have tapped into with like the sort
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totally down for that, but maybe
that was a bit out of their kind

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of like zone of what they could
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Yeah, so basically the ten percent
feature film bit is naff. There is

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at the very end a kind of
uh, you know, tease Papa reveal

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of like I've lost track of the
Papa's at this point because when they stopped

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doing it numerically and just put Cardinal
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the fifth album cycle graduated to becoming
the fourth Pappa, it's kind of thrown

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it all a bit out of sync. But the very end, again,

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if for you who are kind of
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go they got a new character coming, Yeah. They the Carmakopia, who

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then became Papa four has now kind
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other role in the clergy, and
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But the film cuts to black right
before it arrives, and I shit you

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not. The girl sat directly in
front of me at that moment as the

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film cut to black, exclaimed curse
you forge. And I feel like that's

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a nice representation of kind of the
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meat of it again, the concert
film stuff. I do agree with some

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of the criticisms that have been made
about to kind of it's it's a fast

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old edit. There are parts where
you're kind of like, this is a

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guitar solo. Let's just train the
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thank you, rather than like jumping
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as a big, you know,
glitzy, glamorous ghost concert, it did

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the thing of like what a good
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is make me go, oh,
the next tour that comes around, like

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I have to go yeah, Like
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one, but like it made me
go, oh, I'm due another because

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it set list wise wise, as
a piece of entertainment, they are just

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like the most joyous thing on the
rock circuit. There were just a few

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select moments and that are kind of
like, God, our ghost the best

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rock band active right now, Like
there were most while I was generally just

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kind of like the set list makes
a convincing case that was it is incredible,

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but there are just key moments when
they're dropping spill ways really early on

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and you kind of go, like, God, that song is perfect when

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you're getting fucking ritual in an arena
and it sounds timeless. It is like

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the most classic song Ghost of got
years are. I'm a big Infestedimum fan.

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I think that looked and so I
think it's a shame they've only got

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one out one sort of showing in
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years where they doing this film and
they're kind of cutting in clips of maxon

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O. Yeah, so satanic.
I'm like, ghosts can still be proper

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evil when they want to be.
Yeah, that's like maybe one of my

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favorite member as well, And it's
the kind of thing where again I would

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maybe like to see kind of more
experimenting like that, because again they use

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you know, the nineteen twenty two
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it's just bathed in this like kind
of red you know, lighting, and

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they kind of superimpose it over then
playing year zero, and it is brilliant.

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I mean there are I mean,
there's the Mary on a cross,

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there's that weird little Hannah barbera Scooby
Doo fun like that was the sort of

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bit where you can of the narrative
stuff was interjected into the concert film in

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quite a fun way. It looked
quite cheap, but it stuff. Yeah,

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yeah, you know it did,
but it was It was a fun,

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sort of campy deviation that worked really
well. Yeah. For me,

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it was like a nice full circle
moment of like the the meme that gets

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re kind of you know, Scooby
do music. Yeah, the redugout every

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couple of months of meaning of like, oh, go to just Scooby Doo

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chase music, and it's like they've
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a having a Scooby Doo chase happening
to Yeah, I was for the first

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couple of minutes of that song.
I was a bit confused where it was

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going. I was like, why
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ended in a nice place, but
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in just there. I like the
the There's a version that they do of

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if You Have Ghosts, which is
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you know after I'd like, I
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I went to. This was kind
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film, I don't know, but
a version of their cover of Rookie Ericssons

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if You Have Ghosts, which is
an amazing song originally it's one of ghosts

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best covers of their many very good
ones. And doing on that kind of

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like second lower stage with like the
the cellists and the kind of the string

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section who are all dressed like the
Woman in black, you know, just

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kind of proper, you know,
gothic looking, and it just musically that

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moment is just absolutely like again kind
of spintingly, really really stirring. Yeah,

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yeah, that was again that the
complete opposite to the most like bombastic

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moments of like Ghosts can be quite
intimate and beautiful when they are doing something

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like that, and again it was
one of those like they are a special

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band when they can just go take
you from the these most bombastic moments to

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genuinely evil stuff to moments of actual
beauty. Yeah, during Twenties, which

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again was a song they did not
play when I saw them, but later

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on they bring out all these like
topless skeleton backing dancers who then re emerge

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again later. I think it's're in
dance per cards. That makes the most

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sense. But again I was like, you know, twenties is kind of

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meant to almost like a weird you
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vaudeville musical theater like yeah, and
I have a very strained relationship with backing

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dancers at metal shows. Normally I
think it looks naff as shit, But

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this is one of the times and
the bands, and you know, the

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songs as well, where it kind
of comes together and you know, when

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they're all like, you know,
again, a bunch of kooky skeleton vaudeville

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characters are kind of you know,
moving around and you're throwing each other in

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the air because you know, the
kind of trained dancers, and you know,

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I thought the camera worked during that
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portrayed that particularly well. I was
like, Dan, this is like cool,

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this is like watching a really cool, you know, like heavy metal

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musical number. Like another thing I
I I'm you know, I have a

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dance background. I'm all for dancing
elphings, but You're right, a lot

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of the time mail bands have no
idea how to properly. I just get

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flashed back to seeing King eight Bueno
with like pole dancers either to mail bands

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and dancers like you know, let's
get someone doing the fire dance without sort

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shit, And I'm like, not
to disparage those people doing that, they're

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incredibly talented, but it is one
of those things that just feel like kind

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of a laser fit to the music
most of the time. Yere for another

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band who've done it recently where they've
actually had trained dancers come and doing a

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choreograph routine that fits the music.
But like Ghost Twenties is like the kind

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of like pinnacle of what I would
want my backing dancers in a rock or

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metal show to look like. And
it was those I was like, Ah,

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that's so wicked, and then bringing
them back for dance with CARB like

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the OnCore in general is like I
was just like this is just celebration music

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in every way, coming on and
doing Kiss the Go Go, Like I

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was like, oh, fuck,
yeah, this is the best of about

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seven inch Cross. Like, but
I'm so glad that Kiss the Go Go

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is still getting its moments, you
know, open the encore because that song

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is just joyful, isn't it.
Like yeah, I mean again, like

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revisiting the set list of the show
that I saw way back at the Guinea

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of the Imperial Cycle, they played
Kiss the Go Go. They were not

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playing at that point Mary on a
Cross, And I guess it's because like

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halfway through this touring cycle is when
the world change is when TikTok happened.

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And I like that they introduced Mery
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Go for it. You know,
it's like now they're both in there.

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Yeah, that's a funny thing that
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Again, you mentioned like ritual as
well, but this you really get the

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sense of like showbiz camp from this
movie. You know it would be while

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I do get a genuine, like
you know, kind of morbid emotional reaction,

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I suppose that you know the kind
of satanic songs like he is and

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Cammy Little Sunshine and stuff like that. You'd be hard pressed to kind of

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show someone this film and convince anyone
that goes to more than just kind of,

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you know, a piece of kitch. And that's fine because that's kind

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of what they're presenting themselves out at
this point in time. But I think

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it's fascinating that something that is so
like again campy and schlocky still has a

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song like ritual in there where in
this like cinematically released film there are there's

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a chorus about human sacrifices procreating the
Unholy Bastard satanic inversion of the Lord's Prayer

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in there and they played a conclave
condio as well from the first album and

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the staging for that. Loved it
so cool. I mean it was literally

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it's what Ghosts were the first time
I saw them in like twenty eleven.

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It's, you know, Papa comes
out holts of swinging a kind of thing

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of incense, singing that spooky satanic
song and he just stands on the spot

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for the whole thing, but it
kind of creates an aura. But it

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was like, damn, this is
a this is the first ghosthuto that I

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saw for this one song, but
like upscaled for an arena and now it's

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on a cinema screen and there is
a very strange kind of you know,

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journey that they've kind of gone on
with something like that is that you can

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like say, you can have that
those moments of Emily's robe swinging, the

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incense looking quite spooky. So then
the dazzled sparkly jacket, full on dance

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routines, like it's got everything that. I think that's my thing why I

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want to see Ghosts now, because
I'm like, there is genuinely just a

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bit of everything if you're into spooky
things, heavy music, rock music,

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kitch, like it's all there and
it's just something that it's just really like

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celebratory to me. And I think
like they it's so good that they can

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translate this on the movie and kind
of like still deliver all of these sort

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of different elements of Ghosts. Yeah, I think, you know, as

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a as a kind of piece of
filmmaking, you know, it's highly flawed,

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not necessarily kind of as great as
maybe some people might have hoped.

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But at the same time, just
the show element of it I can certainly

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see again for like you know,
for hardcore Ghost fans out there, I

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can certainly imagine this being kind of
like a comfort rewatch, you know,

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just kind of having the big Imperial
or film kind of on in the background.

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It's one that if it gets like
a Blu ray release, not that

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I will probably pick up because like
just again wanting to watch them the final

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sort of run for a square hammer
and the kind of joy I felt in

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that moment of are like this is
this is everything in it? Like like

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that that's thing. It was just
companting. It was fun. I had

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a great time. There was people
musteem like you can kind of hear quietly

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singing to themselves. People were dressed
stuff. At my screening, like like

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in full on Ghost guff I was
like, good for you, Like,

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yeah, sit there, celebrate to
sit there in the dark for two hours

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in a pope's robe. It's done
very well as well in terms of I

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think it's like top five and the
UK box office currently like top ten in

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the in the US doing some big
numbers, which I think in terms of

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just sort of making the mainstream aware
that a band like Ghost exists if you

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just see that kind of on a
listening. But what the fuck is this

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like number six at the box office
or whatever. Cool there is then in

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the credits as well, a new
ghost song that was released as a single

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you know, last week, but
I decided to kind of just sort of,

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you know, watch it in the
film. The song I've forgotten the

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name of it. It's got quite
a long present The Future is a Foreign

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Land. I was at present.
That's a deafa Vanna album. Sorry,

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deaf Evanna on the brain all times. Yeah, The Future is a Foreign

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Land released from you know. The
soundtrack for this plays in the credits,

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which I must say, the credits
like suddenly going from like this incredibly feel

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good, you know, wonderful,
heartwarming, even what they're trying to do

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with a narrative, it's like,
yeah, amazing, you know, live

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in the moment to then cut to
credits of like real life warm crimes and

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serial Killers and Ted Bundy and John
Wyne Gacy. Was weird, Like again,

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a very like a jarring choice.
I don't think it was entirely thought

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out that well, but you know, I can see what they go for

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with this song because this song,
again it's kind of in the film.

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They posit it as basically the third
song to have been recorded back in that

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like nineteen sixties version of Ghost fronted
by when he was young Paperneil. Basically

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the seven inch that gave us Kiss
the Googa and Marion Across that had that

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kind of wonderful, you know,
kind of late sixties psychedelic rock flare to

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what they were doing. This is
meant to be like the secret third song

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to have kind of emerged from that
era, And to me, it sounds

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like it doesn't sound like so again
like the Kiss the Go Go song reminds

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me of like full on psych rock
stuff like The Devil's Word and whatever.

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This to me, it's more like
kind of like The Shadows meets Again.

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You think about the kind of rock
music that's that soundtracks like Vietnam war films

406
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:18,480
and stuff like that, like you
know, like CCR and stuff like that,

407
00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:21,599
it's like, yeah, Ghost kind
of playing in those kind of territories.

408
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:22,640
I mean, for a start,
it's like it's not a metal song

409
00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:27,000
like it's it's kind of it's one
of their sort of pre metal songs,

410
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,960
reminding me of like stuff like roki
ericson a little bit again when that kind

411
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:38,920
of like psychedelic slightly freaky thing,
but like bizarrely warm at the same time.

412
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,759
And yeah, that kind of like
big sixties rock kind of feeling to

413
00:26:42,839 --> 00:26:45,680
it, like place with that chorus. Every time it comes in you can

414
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,759
go, oh yeah, no,
this is like just a big rock song

415
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:51,440
on that front. Yeah, it
amuses me very greatly when we get to

416
00:26:51,559 --> 00:26:56,119
the choir going twin twin two four, oh god, yeah, okay,

417
00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:00,759
yeah, never gonna forget what year
this song was released in, but yeah,

418
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:03,920
it's a very kind of sweet pop
song. You know, absolutely,

419
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,079
I'll add that to the kind of
just pile of very good ghost songs that

420
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,920
exists. So yeah, right here, right now, not necessarily a total

421
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:18,799
success on a movie front, but
certainly a fun time event and evidence that

422
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,960
Ghosts are definitely a band that you
know, if you've not seen them live

423
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:25,680
yet, next tour is the one
to do it on. Yeah cool.

424
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:27,079
So, as I said, that
kind of brings us basically into the rest

425
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:32,240
of this episode on the Patreon front
for those of you who you know are

426
00:27:32,519 --> 00:27:34,920
kind enough to kind of support us
and let us keep doing what we do.

427
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,640
As I said last week on the
show, this last kind of a

428
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,240
couple of weeks have seen the culmination
of our Sepultura special that we did,

429
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,799
which is one of the most like
considering we cordoned off three quarters of their

430
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:59,079
career in terms of timespan, still
one of the absolute deepest dives. As

431
00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:00,720
I said last week, we'd finished
the whole thing, but we decided to

432
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:04,880
split the kind of you know,
the second half of it into two parts

433
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,640
because it went so deep. So
we had the chaos ad in a nail

434
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,200
bomb as well to overlook that chat
out there. But also as promised,

435
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,640
you know, first thing, this
week, I put up the second part,

436
00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:22,799
which is two hours on routes going
into Like I said, it warrants

437
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:32,759
that because there are quite simply you
know, cultural anthropological kind of developments of

438
00:28:32,839 --> 00:28:37,240
that album that we've never touched on
in any of our album discussions before,

439
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,160
because we've never had reason to.
I mean, they never again to quite

440
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:45,559
this degree, like the circumstances in
which Roots was born and created and what

441
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,519
that even then kind of put out
there into the world genuinely unparalleled, like

442
00:28:51,680 --> 00:29:00,119
a band of you know, white
of European descent Brazilians somehow through again of

443
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,680
like contacting their like you know,
cultural centers and so on. Hook themselves

444
00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:07,000
up with a you know, Brazilian
tribe out in the jungle, go out

445
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:11,039
and organize a recording session, bring
fucking maniac Roth Robinson with them into the

446
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:17,880
jungle record that, and that is
just stage one of the many recording like

447
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,680
you know, stages that go into
making Roots is an unbelievably nuanced record,

448
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,759
and so we had to go through
and kind of you know, try and

449
00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:27,920
pick apart every single thing of what
makes that album tick. And then we

450
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,279
still had the kind of epilogue session
to go because while we did again primary

451
00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:36,519
took about the Cavalier fronted Sepultura records, we did feel like we had to

452
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:38,359
kind of bring ourselves up to speed
and kind of you know judge in a

453
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,640
very abridged form what both you know, the Cavaliers and Sepultura without them have

454
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:47,960
kind of done in their absence.
So again, bringing that together with the

455
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,079
part we did on Kosa D and
the part we did before that on their

456
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:56,200
birth in you know Brazil and their
thrash metal years, our picture really has

457
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:03,200
formed here of one of the you
know, craziest, most one of the

458
00:30:03,359 --> 00:30:08,279
kind stories that we could feasibly tell
in the you know, quite humble vessel

459
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:11,880
of our band specials. I mean, this is one of those specials that

460
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,799
for me, I like to They've
always been, you know, the big

461
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,599
groove metal band. I saw that
thing and getting all of those of a

462
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:22,480
little dit il was back going Bay
back to pop one and then like say,

463
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:25,920
the entire insane prose is the way
to creating roots. They you know,

464
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:30,279
sell out new metal album and just
every like insane thing they went through

465
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:37,519
to create, and that has massive
cultural significance well beyond anything metal. Anything

466
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:41,799
else metal was doing in the nineties
is insane and it was like hell of

467
00:30:41,839 --> 00:30:45,160
a journey to go on. Yeah, one of the most one of the

468
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:48,440
kind artistic stories of any heavy band, and we you know, tried to

469
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,279
do it justice in telling it.
So that is available over at patron dot

470
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:55,920
com slash That's not Metal. If
you want to get in on all of

471
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,839
our band specials and other specials and
things that we do, that is the

472
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:04,759
place to go. And today we're
here to talk about new albums, and

473
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:12,000
we start with Bring Me the Horizon
and their post Human next Gen album.

474
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:17,400
The suffix there obviously alludes to the
fact that this is the second installation in

475
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:22,759
their post Human series, which started
back in twenty twenty with the Survival Horror

476
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,240
entry of it. And you know, if you've just kind of flinched slightly

477
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:29,640
at how long ago that was,
you know, that was peat covid times.

478
00:31:30,799 --> 00:31:34,799
This record has had quite a journey
to get to us. Last month's

479
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:38,240
review show, you know, it
came about two days after Bringing the Horizon

480
00:31:38,519 --> 00:31:44,359
decided to surprise drop this album,
coming off the back of several years of

481
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,680
single drops and delays and so on. I quite admire that they just got

482
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:49,759
it out there like that, Like, you know, it was kind of

483
00:31:49,799 --> 00:31:52,240
cooler to just be like, okay, it's done. There it is,

484
00:31:52,599 --> 00:31:56,319
rather than announce like another release date
for a couple months time. That then

485
00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:59,480
would have been kind of greeted with
like I really will it though, you

486
00:31:59,559 --> 00:32:04,000
know from fan base who had already
experienced a couple of release dates. It

487
00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:07,960
missed the cut off of our like
last reviews bag, and now it would

488
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,480
have been cramming it in at that
point, wouldn't it, Like yeah,

489
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:13,960
And so you know, we acknowledge
that this review is essentially a month later

490
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,519
than everyone else has done it.
I think that maybe gives you a different

491
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:21,559
perspective because rather than jumping to get
on it and get a take out there

492
00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:23,920
as that would have been. As
you say, we are now giving you

493
00:32:24,079 --> 00:32:27,920
the take of this album. Having
been out in the world for a month,

494
00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:30,920
we have you know, bided our
time from the immediate barrage of reactions,

495
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,839
and in the case of Bringing the
Horizon in particular, we have bemoaned

496
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,799
the kind of knee jerkism of that
in the past. I mean, I

497
00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:42,160
would quite happily review everything The Horizon
record about a month after its release,

498
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:47,119
mostly genuinely. Actually, yeah,
no, they are on those bands that

499
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:52,519
like in the moment, I'm just
like, I don't know, I'm disconnect

500
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,880
for it all for that initial week
because everyone's going to be saying stupid things

501
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,079
on both sides of the fence,
Like I remember, you know, hearing

502
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,440
you know, people journalists older than
myself saying similar things about Metallica at times.

503
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,319
I feel like Bringing the Horizon are
kind of our example, where you

504
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,079
know, okay, let it die
down, will come in later, assess

505
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,920
the art, do a post mortem
if necessary. I suppose this is like

506
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:17,960
the clear blockbuster megaband rock release of
the year last year. I had quite

507
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,079
a few you mentioned Metallica, but
you know, for the kind of download

508
00:33:22,119 --> 00:33:24,519
headline of type bands, I guess
it's probably the only one that we're expecting

509
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:29,440
this year. And Bringing the Horizon
feel like they have a, uh,

510
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:32,440
I guess, a particular significance to
the culture of right now because you know,

511
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:37,440
as we have said, the popular
zeitgeist metal landscape of today pretty much.

512
00:33:37,559 --> 00:33:43,920
Oh's it's like precise shape and existence
to Bringing the Horizon for the kind

513
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:47,000
of like pop metal core that's taken
over Bringing the Horizon are their gods,

514
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:52,240
And yeah, at this particular moment
in time, it feels like that landscape

515
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:59,440
has particularly kind of taken shape and
you know, taken hold again in between

516
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:02,799
these Bring the releases. Actually like
Survival Horror again twenty twenty, and we

517
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,519
did our album club kind of post
mortem on that at the start of this

518
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,159
year, and in hindsight, I
was speaking about it as kind of like,

519
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:14,400
you know, the the twenty twenties
commercial pop metal core, you know,

520
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,440
the baddy core era if you like, kind of you know, has

521
00:34:17,519 --> 00:34:22,920
showed its head in the aftermath of
Survival Horror. I actually feel like I

522
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:29,000
understand Survival Horror a bit better for
that kind of hindsight and knowledge than I

523
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:34,880
did at the time. Now your
spirit Boxes, bad Omens, sleep Tokens

524
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,639
have all kind of come to ascendency
in this like slightly belated period between these

525
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:42,760
two post human releases. It makes
it very interesting, even beyond just the

526
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,719
innate delays that happened with this record. Yeah, I think we have seen

527
00:34:47,519 --> 00:34:53,239
the new kind of like form of
what is popular metalcore really take over in

528
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:59,199
its various sort of guyses and it's
all happened. I guess. Survival Horror

529
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,039
is kind of like the Inish a
blueprint for that, and that's where all

530
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:06,199
these newer bands have kind of taken
bits of that API, I guess,

531
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,920
and found their kind of particular era
they want to carve out from it and

532
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:14,000
turn into their sound. And it's
it's normal for me because this is I'm

533
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,639
at a part where I'm like,
I'm looking at a lot of this,

534
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,400
this current state of what is modern
metalcore pop, milic curab, and it's

535
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,320
just like feeling more and more like
I was like, I don't understand where

536
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,360
this is, like where this is
going at the time where I'm just like

537
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:30,840
I'm of like, is this what
like older people felt when I was,

538
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,760
you know, eighteen, raving about
Bringing the Horizon first coming round where the

539
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,199
disconnect is growing bigger and bigger of
each sort of passing release of this or

540
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,079
sound. Yeah, I do think, you know, whether you like it

541
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:45,280
or not, I think the Survival
Horror record is maybe if you can put

542
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,159
it down to one moment of kind
of where the twenty tens then became the

543
00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:52,800
twenty twenties. Yeah, it's it's
it's arguably that. And like I said,

544
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,280
I don't know about you that it
gave me a different mindset with this

545
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,440
too when Survival Horror was coming out, because that album for me was like

546
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:06,000
the harshest break that I had had
with Bringing the Horizon, where I had

547
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:10,440
gone with their experimentation on the prior
to albums, but Survival Horror I struggled

548
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,719
with, and at the time,
considering I had gone with the last two

549
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,440
when so many other people were kind
of jumping ship, I found it difficult

550
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,119
to reconcile that and why I felt
that way. But again, now in

551
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:22,719
hindsight, we're doing this this album
next, Jen, I can talk about

552
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,920
it not so much in relation to
again maybe past history with this band,

553
00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:31,079
but kind of in relation to the
current landscape where we were at what's developed

554
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:36,519
around these bringing the Horizon records.
The bizarre thing about this being the kind

555
00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:40,960
of most relevant zeitgeist big arena band
release this year and having that kind of

556
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,400
academic relationship with the current you know, zeitgeist for a couple of weeks there

557
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,960
in the middle of it coming out
and us kind of, you know,

558
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,159
really knuckling down to review this,
I kind of forgot about it, forgot

559
00:36:52,199 --> 00:36:59,320
it was there. It's how quickly
like discourse and hype and all that moves

560
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,199
now, isn't it Like you've got
like people have to be in there with

561
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:07,880
their takes before they're done and onto
the next thing. I'd kind of kept

562
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,800
it'd been lingering in the back of
my mind, like because I listened to

563
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,199
this the week it came out,
like the day came out, and I

564
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:15,880
was kind of like, okay,
cool, and I was like, we'll

565
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,599
put that to one side, and
then when it comes time to review it,

566
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,639
I will go back to it.
And I just didn't think about it.

567
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:22,360
I didn't forget it was there,
but I was just kind of like,

568
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,239
I just don't need to concern myself
with what's going on there. At

569
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,079
the moment because it's it's doing it
is doing nothing for me. Yeah,

570
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:30,119
well, you know, maybe foreshadowing
the ri of it here. I think

571
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:34,280
it's because partially for me, most
of the things I remembered about the album

572
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,719
had already been out for ages,
and you know, seeing the songs live

573
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:42,280
at the start of this year again, it's it's kind of fascinating that it's

574
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,960
had a tormented creation. Every news
headline coming around the release of this album

575
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,599
has been Olie Sykes opening up about
the fall up with Jordan Fish, which,

576
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:52,920
you know, credit to them,
they've kind of played down the kind

577
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:57,159
of more tabloidy elements of that and
they've not tried to turn it into some

578
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,599
kind of firing shots, you know, turning something larger than it is.

579
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:04,880
But he has detailed how the delays
going into this album were because the kind

580
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,880
of songwriting relationship between Oli and Jordan
had completely broken down. Basically, Yeah,

581
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,679
and Olie had reached the point of
like basically not wanting to work on

582
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,800
it anymore in that kind of environment
without some kind of refresher going on.

583
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:22,079
This album is a kind of Frankenstein's
Monster of songs that were created while Jordan

584
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:25,960
Fish was in the band with he
and Olie forming that core nucleus that seems

585
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:30,440
to have, you know, largely
shaped the direction of the last decade of

586
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,719
the band, and then songs that
have been created since Fish's departure and Olie's

587
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:37,159
spoken about how you know, the
other members of the band, Lee Mahlia,

588
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,880
Matt Nichols, Matt Keane have kind
of become more active again and more

589
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,320
central in Fitz Jordan Fish's absence.
The first record, post Human Survival Horror

590
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,440
was thirty two minutes. It was
condensed in and out. I wish I

591
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:54,039
liked most of the songs on it
more, but it was quite well defined

592
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:59,280
in what it was next gen.
Do you feel that this record has kind

593
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:04,800
of like noticeably fragmented or ballooned beyond
what it was maybe originally meant to be?

594
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,039
Oh? Absolutely, Like, like
I said, the mission statement of

595
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:14,079
the post Human thing was the whole
like four more condensed releases that each takes

596
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:19,440
a different kind of like theme and
idea and lyrical kind of narrative that they're

597
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,000
exploring at that point, you know, Savahara being the kind of like end

598
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:29,159
times dystopian like nightmare state we were
in and then like the next part going

599
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:30,360
always going to be something scited different, and I was like, that felt

600
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:34,519
like a kind of a clear idea, clear folks that they had and this

601
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,880
is and unrelease too has already kind
of blown up into something that just doesn't

602
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:46,000
really feel like that mission statement anymore. Yeah, I struggled to look at

603
00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:51,199
this as more than a kind of
grab bag of singles released over a period

604
00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:53,239
of three years with a bunch of
shit thrown at the wall kind of in

605
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:57,239
and around it. Even though Survival
Horror was labeled as an EP, it

606
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,599
does feel more cohesive in an album
since well, yeah, next Gen for

607
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:06,679
Me strays over into that slightly nebulous
mixtape territory. And I don't mean to

608
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:08,519
say that's a write off as a
project, because as has been for the

609
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:12,320
you know, the last decade of
bringing me output, I think it's more

610
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,000
nuanced than some kind of blanket statement
of they're good, now they're bad and

611
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:19,199
that whatever. I do have to
say that my way of appreciating this as

612
00:40:19,199 --> 00:40:24,159
a project kind of comes down to
bittness rather than it kind of in any

613
00:40:24,199 --> 00:40:28,719
way coming together as more than some
of its parts. It does feel again,

614
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,239
you mentioned those descriptors for the initial
idea of the pos human thing.

615
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:35,599
It feels long ago that those were
the descriptors. You may remember. Survival

616
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:39,159
Horror was described as like the you
know, heavy aggressive horror themed release next

617
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,519
gen. I think they mentioned that
one point was going to explore kind of

618
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:46,280
more emo E screamo influenced territory,
and then Di FORI you came out and

619
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:51,599
seemed to paint that kind of concept
in like the worst possible light. I

620
00:40:51,679 --> 00:40:55,760
guess overall, this record does take
on a shape of like a very twenty

621
00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:01,840
twenty four terminally online high popped up
in version of such a mood. It

622
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,840
is more kind of personal and more
introspective than Survival Horror was, which is

623
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:13,559
more again kind of looking outwards but
interpreting that in kind of so many ways,

624
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,719
rather than putting a rough genre descriptor
on it as part of a planned

625
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:21,079
series of vps. It feels like
a slightly lousing battle. That's it is.

626
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:27,719
This some doesn't have like a core
defined sound or identity. Is more

627
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:34,400
introspective and self pitying, I guess
than Survival Horror was. I guess,

628
00:41:34,559 --> 00:41:37,920
like you can do you feel bigger
on the screaming stuff. I'd agreed,

629
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:42,679
but you're right, it's so that
but completely messed up and brought into twenty

630
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:46,079
twenty four with all of the bells
and whistles and you're like hyper pop sort

631
00:41:46,119 --> 00:41:52,159
of stuff and crazy like gen zisms
that like you just got to slap on

632
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:57,400
anything at twenty twenty four. Now
that it's such like attention starved all over

633
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,440
the place record that it is really
hard to condense and put into like a

634
00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:06,599
defined box of what this album actually
is. One interesting thing I hadn't really

635
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,559
considered. And again I don't think
this actually is so clearly the case.

636
00:42:10,599 --> 00:42:15,360
It's not so neat. But at
one point the thought did cross my mind,

637
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:20,719
was Jordan Fish actually an inhibitor on
some of the the Horizon material that

638
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,760
we've kind of rated less because the
work that he's done production, Why is

639
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,719
that's come out with other bands so
far? We haven't been the most like

640
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,480
jumping out of our seats about it
and looking there's any views with olly.

641
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:38,760
He cited kool Aid as the song
that reignited the writing sessions after Jordan had

642
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,519
left the band, and what did
I say when kool Aid came out as

643
00:42:42,519 --> 00:42:45,440
a single, I was like this
is the best bringing the Horizon single that's

644
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,280
been released in the past few years, like the first one from this album

645
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,599
that at the moment of its release, I could immediately say, I liked,

646
00:42:51,519 --> 00:42:55,840
that's a really funny lining up of
the timelines. I mean Amen came

647
00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:00,440
up before cool Aid, didn't it
because I was just because I would still

648
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,920
take that one. But I do
see what you mean, where like Jordan

649
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,159
Fish went, Cale came out and
this was the kind of like most kind

650
00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:10,119
of like straight up this is what
a big pop metalcore rock bringing the Riser

651
00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:14,320
song should be. And kool Aid
has grown on me since came out.

652
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:19,039
You know that chorus has actually stuck
with me in a way that other ones

653
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:23,079
from the time before did not stick
with me in the slightest. And I

654
00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:28,440
would agree, like majority of those
PRECOLLATD was with the exception of Amen,

655
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,320
cool Aid is way better than the
rest of them. I will with you

656
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,519
on there, And I wondered,
was what Jordan Fisher's country of the band?

657
00:43:35,679 --> 00:43:38,440
Was it for the worst at that
stage? Yeah, and again I

658
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:43,199
think kool Aid being the song that
reignited the sessions with again you know,

659
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,320
Lee Mahlia and the others. I
think it has that kind of energy to

660
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,559
it. That doesn't necessarily mean that
everything they went on to do afterwards with

661
00:43:49,679 --> 00:43:52,760
that kind of writing unit went in
that same direction again. It's not so

662
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:58,320
neat, but bring Me, you
know I I said about it as a

663
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,800
single, it's modern bring Me,
but it's the one where I most recognize

664
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,320
the old band we used to note
in it, you know, like the

665
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,760
guitar focus, the sense of kind
of sem paternal esque grandeur in the chorus,

666
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,440
like the walls are crashing down.
You can see the through line in

667
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,679
there from the old band to the
current one, the way that sometimes we've

668
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,599
said that line has kind of become
a little bit more amorphous. And it's

669
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:23,800
just fascinating to me that, you
know, that should be the first song

670
00:44:24,199 --> 00:44:29,719
of this like different era of bring
Me that has emerged halfway through the creation

671
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,920
of this album. And ultimately I
do think that is an excellent modern radio

672
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,599
metal single. I think it's right
there next to King Slayer as my favorite

673
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:38,760
songs of the post human era.
I mean, what I will say with

674
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,719
call it that duzzed about to me
is where you can tell Lee Mallia has

675
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:47,000
blossomed down and soerly become more involved
in is for you know, Survival Horror

676
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:51,239
being the guitar album when we did
the album Club and we kind of went

677
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,719
a lot of the riffs. Are
it's the same drop riff? Is it

678
00:44:54,880 --> 00:45:00,360
sounds computerized? Yeah? This again
there are problems I have with this album,

679
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,320
but I will get I will agree
what Lee Mallor is doing. He

680
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,519
feels more involved, more energized,
and he has done since Sempaternal. I

681
00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:10,960
would say he's actual, like they're
fucked all over with. But there are

682
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:14,719
guitar riffs and guitar licks on this
album that kind of be like, God,

683
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,440
yeah, that that's some of those
stuff that I used to really like

684
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:20,320
what Lee Malio would do, And
I'm like cool. That is one thing

685
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,920
I think this album does have for
it. That is a nice thing that

686
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:27,320
has been missing from the last couple
of records. Yeah. The album starts

687
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,599
with Utopia, which really out of
nowhere, starts with an old rock riff

688
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:35,519
which Sam a couple of my friends
are pointing out to me it sounds like

689
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:38,119
sing by Deaf Havanna has one for
you. Really, I would say it's

690
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:46,440
cherr of Brock, isn't it.
That's not Deaf Havanna's original creation, but

691
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:50,840
it came on the album and that
was a real like huh, because it

692
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:54,400
sounds like, you know, again, Smashing Pumpkins type riffs in the modern

693
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,480
day are not kind of rare.
And you look at over like, you

694
00:45:58,519 --> 00:46:00,480
know, the kind of alternative rock
scene, maybe the more kind of like

695
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:02,559
outbreak type area, and it's like, you know, shit like Narrowhead and

696
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:06,360
all these bands that have been doing
that for years, and it was like

697
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:09,639
the last sound I expected pressing play
on this album. It's got that kind

698
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,920
of you know, Pixies come deaftone
sound that all of those run for cover

699
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,400
type bands have been obsessed with for
ages. And it's not bad. It

700
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,400
was just weird hearing like one of
those songs that are all the rage over

701
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:27,480
in that kind of comparative new underground
scene, but it's got that kind of

702
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,719
like ugly tiptop filter all over in
the melodies. So this was my problem

703
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,000
with that song is I loved that
riff when it came and I was I

704
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:37,960
was like, oh, this is
no. It was such a like I

705
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:40,760
like this, Nah. They fucked
it almost immediately, because again this is

706
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,440
why I don't know that I'm gonna
feel like I'm gonna being a dead horse.

707
00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:50,519
But the production and the studio fuckery
all over this album is headache inducing

708
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:52,920
for me a lot of the time. It's so I don't like hypop I

709
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:57,559
don't like a hundred gets like we're
purture because again, and that's the easiest

710
00:46:57,559 --> 00:47:00,920
way to sum up how I'm not
gonna like a lot of the decisions made

711
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,840
on this album. Sure, but
when you had Utopia Stone, this really

712
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,000
warm, fuzzy or rock with riff, and that was like exciting and different

713
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:08,800
to hear from Bring Me, and
I was gonna like, Okay, they're

714
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,760
gonna go a different route. I'm
down for this. And then you get

715
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,920
this like AI trying to write a
nineties big rock song, kind of like

716
00:47:16,159 --> 00:47:22,800
sound taking over and Ollie's squeaky clean, heavily computerized vocals, and I'm just

717
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,320
like it was. It was a
deflating kind of like I mean, like

718
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:31,239
in face of like interest followed by
immediate deflation. Yeah, I think you

719
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,079
know. That kind of sound is
one that was, you know, originally

720
00:47:35,159 --> 00:47:38,480
famous for its kind of organic honesty, and stripping that out, at least

721
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:44,840
out of its sonic kind of approach
is a weird idea utopia. I think

722
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,559
is like not bad. I think
it's as a song, it's probably fairly

723
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:52,000
decent. It's just slightly uncanny.
The worst one that comes in that particular

724
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:57,239
lane is na later On, which
is even more like what if the Pixies

725
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,920
were stinky? And that is that
that song is one of the ones that

726
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:01,960
makes me angry. It's one of
the worst songs on this record. I

727
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:05,920
would it's on the worst songs bringing
the Horizon I've ever released. I mean,

728
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:07,000
maybe that's true. I think it's
just Die for You has such a

729
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:09,639
low bar, but it is it
is down there, and that is that

730
00:48:10,039 --> 00:48:15,119
that to me sounds like I again, I don't like the kind of gen

731
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:19,199
z pop stuff that pretends to be
grunge, you know, and I know

732
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,360
that like you tend to like some
of the stuff maybe more than I do,

733
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,880
like Olivia Rodrigo and all that.
If it's shamelessly probably would slightly grunge

734
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:27,760
sort of dressing around it. I'm
fine with that because you know, like

735
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,199
it's still at its core a pop
song. This is kind of like this

736
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:36,039
is that weird middle ground where it's
not poppy enough to be like shameless with

737
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:39,480
it, and yeah, this did
like I mean the problem with NA for

738
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:45,679
me, and again I've bashed it
before, but Ollie's lyricism is unbearable on

739
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:49,719
that song. I mean, that's
a song that I'm allegedly on as an

740
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,920
attendee of the Briming the Horizon Arena
tour where they recorded the big chorus gang

741
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:57,920
vocal bit, the hello all are
you fucking normed? The song is real

742
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:01,840
limp. It's just it's no go
yeah, no, I agree with but

743
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:07,199
again, like because it's coming from
an actual like rock band sounding that wet

744
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:12,039
and limp, rather than a pop
back trying to grunge up a little bit

745
00:49:12,559 --> 00:49:15,760
like I'm final slightly roughing up music. When you're making rock music sound this

746
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,360
limp, it's the worst way to
take this sound. And the sort of

747
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:27,000
self indulgent, self pitying lyricism it
just is really Like I think it's because

748
00:49:27,039 --> 00:49:29,719
there's so much a bit across this
record. By the time NA came out,

749
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:34,400
I was so like eye rolling at
every word that Olie was singing.

750
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,320
At that point. Yeah, I
just think again, you look at the

751
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,519
songwriting credits. You can look at
you know, Utopia and go oh,

752
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:45,199
that's a song that's written after the
Fish Schism. Lee Mahlia and Matt Nichols

753
00:49:45,199 --> 00:49:46,519
have got credits on that one,
and you go, Okay, maybe that's

754
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:50,519
where kind of that new idea has
kind of been introduced into the equation.

755
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,480
I don't know, again, na
I do not like at all. Utopia

756
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,599
I think is all right, but
it's kind of one of the more listenable

757
00:49:55,639 --> 00:49:58,639
tracks on it, just because you
know, kind of goes in that direction.

758
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:05,039
Top ten Statues that cried blood awful
title as per but that has this

759
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,400
thing that's maybe slightly more reflective of
a lot of the album, which is

760
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:13,079
this kind of chirpy assault of like
kind of video gamey, you know,

761
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,519
Nintendo, a lot of j rock
kind of influence. You know again,

762
00:50:16,559 --> 00:50:19,480
I'm not adverse to it as a
vibe, you know. I like when

763
00:50:19,519 --> 00:50:22,920
Baby Metal will do that. I've
liked songs with Mario coins in it before,

764
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:27,280
and you know, again, that
kind of very you know bright.

765
00:50:28,039 --> 00:50:30,199
You know, Elliott described it to
us off air as kind of a weir

766
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:35,920
boo ps one thing, and it's
it's very aggressive with it also occasionally kind

767
00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:38,599
of nice and warming. I think, you know, that and Utopia are

768
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:44,800
not the you know, not bad
examples of it. The chorus on that

769
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,320
song, I think is again al
right. It's kind of a reflective of

770
00:50:50,079 --> 00:50:52,719
the overall aesthetic choice they've made on
this which is that kind of digital garbling,

771
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,960
but again just purely on a melodic
front like Utopia. Not the worst

772
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,159
defender by any means. I think
those two songs, I'm not wild on

773
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:04,280
them right now, but I will
not rule out the possibility of those two

774
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:07,960
songs growing on me at some point. I mean tops of suchscribe, but

775
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,079
I mean again hate the song taw
hate the type one for all these songs

776
00:51:10,119 --> 00:51:14,119
on the album, like these are
the little things that again just gonna get

777
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:15,920
on the skin. But not a
bad chorus on that one there no one's

778
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,360
gonna come in. I don't.
I don't like the vocal effects, but

779
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,480
as a chorus as a hook,
pretty big. Again. I'm not here

780
00:51:23,559 --> 00:51:30,920
for all of the the hyper pop, wacky electronics that are like PS one

781
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,840
but absolutely not pis one in the
slightest and it's gonna trying to trick you

782
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,760
into thinking this is what video games
sounded like back then when they didn't like.

783
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:42,079
That's me being a nerd, though
getting that one, but like of

784
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:46,199
the kind of real like crazy hyper
pop like sonic a sort songs on this

785
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:52,119
one of the ones that I again
don't completely dislike. Yeah, there are

786
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:57,400
a couple of songs on this where
that stuff kind of seems to compensate for

787
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,960
the fact that there's barely a good
song at the core of it. Where

788
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:02,079
an example like that you can go, well, yeah, you might not

789
00:52:02,519 --> 00:52:07,360
like necessarily the approach, but at
least there's a recognizable you know, yeah,

790
00:52:08,079 --> 00:52:12,320
there's a chorus there. There is
elements from rock song that they fucked

791
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,760
with, and again I would say
that with Utopia, there are elements of

792
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:17,159
song that they fucked and made me
not like, but the core there I

793
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:21,639
can see why people would go with
that. Yeah, I think again,

794
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,360
kool Aid came out as a single
and then I basically immediately saw them live

795
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,639
in January, and that was a
bit of a turning point for me.

796
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,880
Of like, there were singles that
on the News show when they dropped at

797
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,119
first kind of went in one ear
and out the other for me, perhaps

798
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:38,519
because of kind of the studio sound, But they then grew on me like

799
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:44,079
a fair bit dark side. I
do not have like a tremendous need to

800
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:45,920
go to back for dark Side against
someone who doesn't like it, because I

801
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:50,559
think it maybe shares some similar traits
with songs that I like from that's the

802
00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:53,199
spirit that other people have kind of
like you know, poke holes in.

803
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:58,480
But I will say again that chorus
is big, like that is a genuine

804
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,320
melodic hit. And I will say
about that that the way so many of

805
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:07,239
the bands that Bringing the Horison have
inspired are like struggling for the high points

806
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:12,880
on this album do kind of lay
out for all their faults. Why Bringing

807
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,840
the Horizon are still the kings of
that particular field and they are the band

808
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:20,880
that everyone is still kind of aiming
to be. Yeah, I think that's

809
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,760
I mean, darks of Me is
one of those It's it's one of the

810
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,519
always kind of middle points where it's
like it doesn't particularly bother me, but

811
00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:30,119
also it doesn't stick with me an
awful lot of dark so and I think

812
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:32,960
it is. I think, like, yeah, it's fine. It's got

813
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:37,400
a lot of like this kind of
naughties pop emo mellow drama, Like you

814
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:42,000
can see that there's a bit of
like an Evanescence kind of influenced on part.

815
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:44,239
Yeah, I was I was thinking
the way they just kind of the

816
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,480
way they were so obviously the natural
inherences of the Throne of Lincoln Park,

817
00:53:46,599 --> 00:53:51,000
like a decade ago, they're still
you know, that's kind of Lincoln Park,

818
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,559
kind of like that sort of strain
of things darks. It has that

819
00:53:53,679 --> 00:54:00,159
or there and it is is totally
like solomn On that one again actually pre

820
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,639
because and it's one of the ones
that doesn't get bucked around with too much

821
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:06,519
to kind of like distract me from
the core aspects of it. I was

822
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:09,119
gonna say that exact same thing about
Darts. It's literally the very like final

823
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:14,199
seconds of Ollie's isolated voice get a
bit garbled. But again, there's a

824
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:19,000
song there that they've not like interfered
with too heavily. Amn. You mentioned

825
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:22,760
as like your favorite of the singles. I like again. I also I

826
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,800
like it, particularly after seeing it
live. I think at first it's such

827
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:30,880
that one is such an overstuffed,
glitchy mess of sounds, but the core

828
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:35,639
sense of kind of apocalyptic drama in
it, it's like a bit of a

829
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,000
cluster. The only thing I remember
about Little Loozy Verts part is he makes

830
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,239
a human center Pede reference, but
the way it hangs itself all on.

831
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,559
The chorus is like big enough to
work. I mean, I think Amen

832
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:50,519
is the runaway like clear best song
on the album for me. Even again

833
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,519
as a single, I like it
even more now. I think that chorus

834
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:58,639
is the best chorus bringing the Rison
have done like moderns have done outside of

835
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,280
like kings Layer. I mean that
chorus is wicked. It's so dramatic.

836
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,920
Again, I'm not just saying this
because it's got Daryl Pulumber, and I

837
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,280
think the double Plumber guess pot is
really cool and like he's he's always great

838
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:14,239
presence to have. I quite other
little verse again not amazing, but it's

839
00:55:14,559 --> 00:55:16,239
a nice di tone. But like, I don't mind that song. It's

840
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:20,719
the one where the mess of noises
all happening at once. It actually kind

841
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,960
of lands in place for me because
it fits in with this kind of chaotic,

842
00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:27,199
stabby post hard gore thing. I
like, so I'm down with when

843
00:55:27,199 --> 00:55:30,480
I was doing that and just tacking
in a like genuinely dramatic hit chorus.

844
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:35,519
I mean, it is so easy
my like some moment of the record,

845
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:37,480
and it comes at a point where
I've been in this like dirge of like

846
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:43,599
bad like songs are bad. Is
the run before this before a men comes

847
00:55:43,639 --> 00:55:45,119
in is like the worst part of
the album for me, and then actually

848
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:50,679
until the song that follows it.
But yeah, the song I'm most shocked

849
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:53,400
to have come around on and I
do not expect to have any support here

850
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:58,159
from you, and that's fine,
but I can't lie about it is Lost,

851
00:55:58,639 --> 00:56:02,239
which sonically is a fucking nightmare,
right, I agree, the kind

852
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:07,719
of pilled up machine gun Kelly thing, the versus, you know, like

853
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:10,239
I kind of endure those passages,
right, I get it. I don't

854
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:14,920
sit there and you know, very
naturally go with it. But weirdly,

855
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:19,639
at the heart of it in Ollie's
delivery, I do hear that kind of

856
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,280
truth and honesty in it. The
chorus, well, you know, the

857
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,880
why am I this way? Somehow? Through the kind of neon vomit nightmare.

858
00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:31,639
The humanity in that does like fight
its way through to me, and

859
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,760
the kind of you know, the
kind of despair and the frustration admits,

860
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,559
the kind of overstimulation, you know, when he gets really angry with the

861
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:42,840
stupid medicine not doing anything. Part
melodically, if you strip it back,

862
00:56:43,679 --> 00:56:47,440
really strong, powerful chorus. I
think again, I do not expect your

863
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:52,239
support here because sonically and on paper
it doesn't work. I'm just gonna say

864
00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:55,039
that again. Melodically, at the
core of it, I do think the

865
00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:59,880
song, the bones of it work. I see where you're coming from.

866
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:04,599
I think they fuck around with it
way too. That's fine. I don't

867
00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:07,159
think this is one where again like
where so they can ruin like utopia and

868
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:12,840
stuff. This is the one where
I'm like I wasn't so I'm not super

869
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,679
keen on the core bones in where
I think the chorus, even without the

870
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:21,000
fuckery, is a bit grating.
And again, Ollie say, I watching

871
00:57:21,079 --> 00:57:24,880
even geting with a bigger SLI like
KM and maybe if you removed some of

872
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:29,519
these elements I have a problem with, you could find something I could go

873
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:32,079
along with. But lost for me
is a nightmare. Yeah, that's fine.

874
00:57:32,079 --> 00:57:35,840
I think that I think I'm going
to break down is still daft as

875
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,480
ship. I can't bring myself to
get behind that. But against the odds,

876
00:57:38,719 --> 00:57:44,000
I have somewhat fallen for that song
because even with the kind of obnoxiousness

877
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:47,159
of how it's produced, ultimately it's
a seriously big chorus. I think that

878
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:51,000
has a real degree of kind of
human emotion to how it's put across,

879
00:57:51,159 --> 00:57:53,679
and I think that speaks to like
how far I am actually willing to go

880
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,639
with bringing the horizon if I,
you know, if I connect with those

881
00:57:57,679 --> 00:58:00,800
things that are there, I will
even go with a song that sounds like

882
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:06,079
lost sounds. The thing I'm slightly
battled with on this album is so many

883
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:10,000
of the other tracks just completely leave
my brain, and I guess this speaks

884
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,199
to again the blabored production cycle of
this album. And we were sitting around

885
00:58:15,239 --> 00:58:17,880
waiting so long for songs to be
finished that yain were different to the ones

886
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:22,079
we've already heard. And again,
there are songs you may mentioned, you

887
00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:23,800
know, top ten statues of cried
Blood and Utopia and stuff like that.

888
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,199
They're not you know, they're not
misfires. I won't call them that,

889
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:32,519
but some of the you know,
results of these sessions do strike me as

890
00:58:32,760 --> 00:58:39,719
kind of, if not unfinished and
at least ill fitting. Limousine The Riff

891
00:58:40,079 --> 00:58:45,920
is the most Steph Carpenter's demo draw
you've ever heard, which is really amusing

892
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,719
to me. Because the weekend this
dropped, there was a bit of uproar

893
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,719
on certain kind of corners of like
metalcore Twitter, and I can't even remember

894
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:54,320
the name of the band in question, but that were people were like,

895
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,039
I bring me have nicked this riff
and this like other small metal band,

896
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,840
and I listened to it and it's
like these are both just death tones,

897
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:07,480
Like they didn't patent this incredibly generic, low end seven string combination of notes

898
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,079
that are right next to each other, like I think it is first aason

899
00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:13,239
I heard losers like, oh,
I like that, and then it was

900
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,440
kind of like, oh, I
know why I thought I liked this is

901
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:20,079
because it did just MAKEE me think
deathtones for for a few seconds. And

902
00:59:20,199 --> 00:59:24,239
then I can't remember anything about Limousine
outside of that opening riff initially catching my

903
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:30,320
attention and the Aurora guest spot being
fine, if a little nebulous, Like

904
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:34,519
yeah, and again Lee Malia,
we've kind of complained about him being buried

905
00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:37,920
at times, and here he's front
and center, but he sounds like he's

906
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:42,079
sleepwalking. It's like really like b
tech version of a sound that we've kind

907
00:59:42,119 --> 00:59:45,519
of already heard ripped off ad nauseum
by countless bands in the last decade.

908
00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:51,639
Yeah, and it's like it's that
initial thing of like, oh, that's

909
00:59:51,679 --> 00:59:53,280
a sound I like, and I'm
gonna like this song clearly, and then

910
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,199
I think about it critically, I
kind of go, oh oh, no,

911
00:59:57,239 --> 01:00:00,960
actually I don't like that song much
because I could just go listen to

912
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:04,559
Diamond Eyes and have a better experience. Yeah, And the kind of chronic

913
01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:07,719
over simplification of riffs that again we
spoke about on someone like Horror kind of

914
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:12,239
creeps in. And again I think
about kool Aid and I go, when

915
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,480
bring Me the Horizon rift, It's
not just that I want their kind of

916
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,719
guitars to be loud and proud or
whatever I want them to sound like bring

917
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:21,000
Me the Horizon riffs, I don't
want them doing whatever this is. And

918
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:23,920
that song barely has a chorus because
it just follows that very generic riff.

919
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,880
The Aurora thing just comes and goes. There's like no hook to the song

920
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:32,400
apart from this three note Deaftones riff. And then there are moments that,

921
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:37,599
in comparison to the singles, feel
I don't know, kind of underwritten,

922
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:39,880
where they have like fucked around with
all this studio stuff, but there isn't

923
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:44,159
a strong song, you know,
underneath all those kind of future sounds,

924
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,440
which, again for me on songs
like Lost or whatever that kind of does

925
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:50,559
punch through, but there are other
ones where it just kind of falls away

926
01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:54,039
under itself. Rip dustcore remix whatever
that means. With bring Me, I

927
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:58,519
can never quite tell if that means
it is a remix or some surface level

928
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:02,880
title gimmick whatever, But that's like
a straight up electronic tune essentially. It

929
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:07,719
has this like pop chorus on it
that straight up when he comes in does

930
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,440
not sound like Ollie. It's so
processed. I thought it was a different

931
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:15,159
guy and it just kind of makes
my eyes glaze over that. That's all

932
01:01:15,199 --> 01:01:20,079
of the kind of like really heavily
electronic stuff on this, like like even

933
01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:23,000
though the sort of into was like
the ict Supernatural or whatever, the Pussy

934
01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:27,719
and then like the IRP Dustcoryes that's
the one where like they actual tend it

935
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,360
a full song, but that stuff, I'm just like, yeah, it

936
01:01:30,639 --> 01:01:37,239
is so again it's so heavily processed
and just doesn't like And then again that's

937
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:43,639
part of that point in the album
before Amen, where I'm just so like

938
01:01:44,159 --> 01:01:46,280
having a bad time, where that
when the song like Dustry like IRP dust

939
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:49,760
Wormics comes in, I just was
like I would rather less be listening to

940
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:52,480
anything else at this stage. The
only thing and that they've got a reaction

941
01:01:52,519 --> 01:01:55,519
out of me is when they put
the fucking sands from Undertail Noise in there.

942
01:01:55,679 --> 01:01:59,599
And I felt slightly ashamed of myself
for recognizing it so immediately, but

943
01:01:59,639 --> 01:02:04,039
I was like, how are we
putting Undertail noises in our songs in twenty

944
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:05,960
twenty four? Again, it's that
like I didn't even pick that one up

945
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,360
because I've just just tune out of
that song so immediately. Yeah, it's

946
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:14,079
just kind of like that terminally online
overload with this album gives you a bullet

947
01:02:14,119 --> 01:02:15,519
with my name on it is like, again, that's like the kind of

948
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:20,280
chirpy, chopped up hyper pop version
of the kind of Jay Rocky bringing the

949
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,679
Horizon song that we saw on the
Statue song, But melodically that one is

950
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:30,039
like nowhere near as strong, not
rescued by heroes of the hour under Oath,

951
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:35,960
Who my god, the handouts that
that band keep getting from the generation

952
01:02:36,039 --> 01:02:38,639
of popular metical bands after them,
what they have under Oath got on the

953
01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:44,039
metal core scene of today. They're
not that good. One of their albums

954
01:02:44,239 --> 01:02:49,119
was influential. I I came pupping
up everywhere you can't fucking get him off

955
01:02:49,159 --> 01:02:52,800
your shoe. I don't mind that
song. It's well again I assume.

956
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,039
I mean, it's the sort hyped
up version of that, but it's got

957
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:59,360
that kind of a bit of Naughty's
post argicle sound, which again I do

958
01:02:59,719 --> 01:03:04,440
quite like. So that in there, like again the Spencer man guess pot,

959
01:03:04,719 --> 01:03:07,719
he blends him with Ali to the
point where you like, you don't

960
01:03:07,719 --> 01:03:09,480
even need him on the song.
But the sound of that one, I

961
01:03:09,559 --> 01:03:14,280
can actually go a bit more because
they're doing a few things I'm like quite

962
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,440
just sort of musically coming to me
again. It's something to Limousine, where

963
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,880
it's tricking me into reminding me of
something I do like in a lesser version

964
01:03:20,920 --> 01:03:24,400
of it, but it's at least
it's less faceless than Limousine is I find.

965
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,719
I think it's one of the more
like because of less egregious kind of

966
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:30,480
skin crawling songs on the album.
For me, again, I'm not going

967
01:03:30,559 --> 01:03:34,280
to go to bat for it as
much in the same way you're you aren't

968
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,639
going to try and like convince me
that Lost is great, because I can

969
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:38,519
understand why for you that one might
just kind of come and go. But

970
01:03:38,719 --> 01:03:42,920
I think my problem with it is
what I was saying about bringing the horizon

971
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,360
rifts and how it won't sound like
bringing the horizon riffs. That's the same

972
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:52,679
with choruses, right, and that
fairt Lost and Dark Side and kool Aid

973
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:57,440
sound like bringing the horizon choruses regardless
of whatever might be around them. This

974
01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:00,280
like, is that what I want? You know? Like, I just

975
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:02,280
I just want to hear that power
from Olie and that swell that makes it

976
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:05,920
sound like bring the horizon, not
some kind of garbled nightmare, and bullet

977
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:11,079
my Name on does not kind of, you know, deliver in that regard.

978
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,119
And so there is a side about
this album that wasn't released as singles

979
01:04:15,559 --> 01:04:19,920
that often kind of amounts to feeling
like a pile up of bits with nothing

980
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,719
to really kind of show for it. You know, they get a feature

981
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:26,199
like Aurora or under Oath, but
they don't add any memorable X factor to

982
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:29,199
the songs. They just kind of
get shoved in the washing machine and farted

983
01:04:29,199 --> 01:04:30,880
out the other end. Again,
I don't know how you expect me to

984
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,679
take a song called Pussy seriously,
even if it is just a big techno

985
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,880
interlude. The interludes are a funny
point because again there's a song at the

986
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:44,079
end called dig It the seven minute
song, or like rather five half minutes,

987
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:46,239
and then you know some nonsense,
but it opens with that kind of

988
01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:54,599
forced video game voice and then immediately
just becomes extremely boring for an extended period

989
01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:59,159
of time, like a bad Post
Malone kind of b side. I think

990
01:04:59,239 --> 01:05:03,440
as a close, I like,
such a boring way to end the record

991
01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:10,079
is so like LeFarge and just has
no even when it's trying to like build

992
01:05:10,159 --> 01:05:14,480
to its crescendo near the end,
it does absolutely nothing. I was just

993
01:05:14,719 --> 01:05:18,000
it is such a like damp way
to end the album. That is again

994
01:05:18,039 --> 01:05:25,480
you meant you're like crazed hyperactive video
game kind of like weirdo album. Are

995
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:29,320
you ending on the most kind of
like lumpen dirge of the song? Yeah?

996
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:30,679
And again it goes to that like
hidden track at the end after like

997
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,280
two minutes of waiting around. I
turn it off every time the first time,

998
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:36,480
and I was like, it's a
waste of time, yeah, because

999
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:39,480
you get there, like, wow, am I glad that made the record?

1000
01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:41,760
You know? And I feel like
we need to get them away from

1001
01:05:41,800 --> 01:05:45,400
this fucking like anime series. Woman
because it kind of awakened a further thought

1002
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,159
in this around me because I'm like, all of this stuff that we keep

1003
01:05:48,239 --> 01:05:53,000
kind of rolling our eyes at the
titles, the you know, the references,

1004
01:05:53,039 --> 01:05:56,840
all this kind of stuff, does
anyone think this is actually cool?

1005
01:05:57,159 --> 01:06:00,880
Like the forced edginess? If Steve
you seen me with the skateboard, isn't

1006
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:03,800
it? It's that again? Yeah, And the thought I actually had about

1007
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,400
this, it's like, yeah,
how many like genuine believers are out there

1008
01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:11,039
who think that, like, hello, loading up my my CD rum?

1009
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,000
Like, how many people think that's
actually like cool? You know, contribute

1010
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:16,519
to the album and so like,
my thing I get with that is like

1011
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:19,000
the one at the start of this
album where it's like, you know,

1012
01:06:19,280 --> 01:06:23,000
you have these audio logus. I'm
like, if you're going for Piers one

1013
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:26,000
thing, audiogs one a fucking thing
in video games until like the Piers three

1014
01:06:26,039 --> 01:06:30,159
year and when they sit down creatively, that's besides the point. I know,

1015
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,480
I know, I know, I'm
just like, you're not even doing

1016
01:06:33,559 --> 01:06:38,639
it right fine, that they're evoking
an era that never quite existed. What

1017
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:42,559
I was going to say is it
made me think about again. It opened

1018
01:06:42,639 --> 01:06:45,199
up something about my relationship between the
Horizon, and I remind you I am

1019
01:06:45,519 --> 01:06:50,599
generally a you know, an enjoyer
of that's a spirit and AMMO and AMMO

1020
01:06:50,679 --> 01:06:54,039
in particular, like you know,
it is a mixed bag at times.

1021
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:57,440
Sure, there are songs on there
that I don't love, but I've always

1022
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,440
said the best stuff on AMMO And
the reason I went with it is it

1023
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:05,679
has a kind of understated sophistication to
the experimentation. Like I think about,

1024
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,400
you know, Nihilis Blues, a
song with Grim's on it. I think

1025
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:13,159
about there are interludes on that record
where they were taken influence from, like

1026
01:07:13,239 --> 01:07:15,400
stuff like Burial and kind of like
old dubstep and trip hoop and stuff like

1027
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:20,960
that, and there's a kind of
restrained touch to how they incorporated their influences

1028
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:24,639
on stuff like that that at least
to myself, made it a lot more

1029
01:07:24,679 --> 01:07:29,280
palatable. And it's all of a
sudden the decade turned, these posthuman retates

1030
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,519
to started coming out and they just
immediate their personality changed into like a tongue

1031
01:07:31,559 --> 01:07:35,119
hanging out emoji. You know,
there was just like an increased like gearishness

1032
01:07:35,639 --> 01:07:40,199
kind of to how bringing their aws
and operate. That makes the experimentation for

1033
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:44,280
me, more difficult to swallow than
the stuff I was perfectly willing to go

1034
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,440
with on AMMO. And that's the
spirit. I think that's sort of thing

1035
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:51,599
that's going to make this like the
most dated Bring with the Horizon album,

1036
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:58,960
like maybe, but maybe it's the
one where like it's so aggressively of like,

1037
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:02,159
as you said the term online,
aren't we insane? Yeah, it's

1038
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,639
so of that, and it is. I like it. I don't like

1039
01:08:05,679 --> 01:08:08,679
em, but I as see where
you're coming from. Where there was a

1040
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:12,880
there was a sophistication to the kind
of like weird turns They took on that,

1041
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:16,479
which made it feel a lot more
like I guess rewarding on repeat listens

1042
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:18,880
where you could actually delve into album
a bit more. And this one there's

1043
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:24,800
everything's so shoved in your face.
There's not actually anything to really gain from

1044
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:28,960
repeat listens because it's all there on
the surface. There's no layers or depth

1045
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,760
to it. The thing they do
that is most exemplified by Die for You,

1046
01:08:31,199 --> 01:08:33,319
but it is kind of one other
parts of this album where they put

1047
01:08:33,399 --> 01:08:39,319
like these like the ugly, really
ott kind of you know, voice cracking,

1048
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:44,439
heavy screams into this like overproduced sterile
pop music, and it comes across

1049
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:46,000
very performative for me, like very
kind of like Arah, like how crazy

1050
01:08:46,079 --> 01:08:48,560
and heavy we're making, you know, kind of clashing with this pop thing,

1051
01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:55,199
and it's it sounds messy as a
record. It's like an overloaded tumble

1052
01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:59,439
dryer of elements as again opposed to
something like Amo, which, whether you

1053
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:00,680
like the perments theyre doing on any
given track or not, I think at

1054
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:04,960
least sounds like those experiments are kind
of self definitive, given space to breathe,

1055
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,279
weren't they It was like it was
age track was allowed to be its

1056
01:09:08,319 --> 01:09:12,199
own thing. Where it's here is
some of these songs are just overloaded and

1057
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,720
nothing's allowed, nothing's load to sell. Yeah. So those are my wider

1058
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,000
feelings on why I think I've struggled
with this kind of era of bringing the

1059
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,039
horizon when I didn't, you know, some of the other era that people

1060
01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:27,359
were really fucking ready to help helters
at the single I still don't like Strangers

1061
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:30,800
is just boring, which the chorus, and the chorus is at least like

1062
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:33,479
memorable. I can sing it to
you and like whatever the hell these deep

1063
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:39,479
cuts are, but it is so
wet, like even seeing it irritating chorus,

1064
01:09:39,760 --> 01:09:41,880
Yeah, even seeing it live.
They did it acoustically, so they

1065
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,720
couldn't even say that one. And
for some reason on streaming, that's the

1066
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,039
one that's like taken off and has
done the biggest numbers, and it's like

1067
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:49,720
the most boring one and does that
speak to I don't know. Again,

1068
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:54,520
the kind of this song is really
emotional, even though it's processing and into

1069
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,319
its life kind of mindset of the
current metalcore era that this is kind of

1070
01:09:58,359 --> 01:10:02,760
the thing that appeals and then Die
for You, you know, sticks out

1071
01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:06,720
on this for how far moved along
in other directions the other material has written

1072
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:12,399
since it has gone like I wanted
to be done with this song after you

1073
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:15,399
know, now having heard and reviewed
this album, I'd like to think of

1074
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,000
that as the last time I will
listen to Die for You outside of the

1075
01:10:17,039 --> 01:10:20,319
context of viting them live, and
they play it, but it's it's like

1076
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:24,640
the burden of Die for You jump
skin in the end of the album.

1077
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:30,199
It's like the burden of difi knowing
that Dive for You exists and constantly being

1078
01:10:30,279 --> 01:10:35,000
on the upcoming schedule after three years
has finally lifted from us it's in the

1079
01:10:35,079 --> 01:10:38,680
past. You know, it's no
longer upcoming. You've cast the war ring

1080
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:45,079
into the volcano exactly that It's bizarre
again some of this album, even something

1081
01:10:45,159 --> 01:10:50,039
as garish as Lost I can I
can feel the humanity in there and some

1082
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:54,000
of what you're saying abou kind of
lyricism and stuff, some of it does,

1083
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:56,800
you know, the humanity of it
does come through for me on some

1084
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,960
of this, some of these songs, but elsewhere wrapped up in the kind

1085
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,920
of again weird boo video game production. It just has this kind of like

1086
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:08,920
XD random I'm so crazy feel that
feels like very juvenile and very forced.

1087
01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:12,359
And I don't know the gestation of
this album. I feel like I've gone

1088
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:15,039
on a whole journey with it somehow
before i'd even heard the actual album,

1089
01:11:15,079 --> 01:11:18,079
because I'd gone from like actively dreading
it and starting to dismiss bring Me out

1090
01:11:18,079 --> 01:11:20,279
of hand when the likes of Die
for You and Strangers were coming out,

1091
01:11:20,399 --> 01:11:24,960
to then climbing kind of back of
board again with some of the later singles

1092
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:29,439
and the live show, and then
this album. There are more songs on

1093
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:32,800
it I guess that I like and
that I will keep then on Survival Horror.

1094
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:35,720
The flip side is that there are
more songs on it period, so

1095
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:43,000
maybe that was kind of mathematically inevitable. Disappointingly, there were no surprise deep

1096
01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:45,319
cuts I hadn't already heard that I
thought were like excellent, Some are okay,

1097
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,720
but every song on this I really
like I heard live in January,

1098
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:54,359
and like almost all of the album
tracks that it took so long to kind

1099
01:11:54,359 --> 01:11:58,359
of finish have kind of just like
slipped through my fingers like soapy jelly.

1100
01:11:59,479 --> 01:12:01,840
Yeah, I think that's I think
that's a fair assessment. I mean again,

1101
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,520
like I'm like, cool, I've
got amen from this album. That

1102
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,880
to me is this album's King Slayer
moment. I'm just kind of like,

1103
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:11,279
there is, you know, a
bit of gold nestled in a bunch of

1104
01:12:11,359 --> 01:12:15,880
stuff that ranges from its just like
actively irritating. But I think it is

1105
01:12:15,960 --> 01:12:19,119
just one of those where I'm like, they are making music for a demographic

1106
01:12:19,279 --> 01:12:24,279
isn't me anymore? And I don't
want to be the old person yelling about

1107
01:12:24,399 --> 01:12:28,199
like that, So I again,
like I'm saying my opinion because you know,

1108
01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:32,119
we're reviewing it, but I'm not
gonna like again get actively like of

1109
01:12:32,319 --> 01:12:35,439
the you know, the big pop
modern metal core stuff. Well, the

1110
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:40,720
exception of again spirit Box, who
are even then their own sort of keelorfish.

1111
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:44,920
I'd still rather listen to bring me
you have a personality to them,

1112
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,479
even if it's one that annoys me. Then something as faithless as bad Omens,

1113
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,880
Yeah, I mean, it's more
varied than survival horror, because again,

1114
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:55,079
my one of my main compects with
that was that them kind of perpetual

1115
01:12:55,239 --> 01:12:58,159
repeatingness of it, Like, yeah, they're perpetually repeating themselves, doing the

1116
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:02,600
same drops in the same places.
This has kind of like imported a truckload

1117
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:05,720
of shit to put back on what
they'd sounded off. At its worst,

1118
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:11,319
it's like too much the wrong stuff. But you know, we were having

1119
01:13:11,399 --> 01:13:15,000
a conversation in the T and M
Patron discord this week. I guess I'm

1120
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,600
to what you're saying. The best
songs on this I do ultimately feel are

1121
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:25,479
like the best contemporary commercial metalcore songs
that have been released, you know,

1122
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:27,880
this year. So I would I
guess say, since like that spirit Box

1123
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:29,840
EP that came out at the end
of last year, you know, and

1124
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:31,399
it's it's because it's such a dire
patch for it, you know, but

1125
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:39,239
like even an extremely broken and patchy
Bringley record ends up somehow like leading the

1126
01:13:39,319 --> 01:13:43,479
way, and I guess you know, obviously this is the the sequel to

1127
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:46,840
Survival Horror that took three years to
end up being twice as long. Maybe

1128
01:13:47,039 --> 01:13:50,960
the next one, with the kind
of writing unit calming down, will focus

1129
01:13:51,039 --> 01:13:55,000
on something a bit more like that. There are some signs here considering I

1130
01:13:55,119 --> 01:13:57,279
was like I was, again the
most down I've ever been on Bringing the

1131
01:13:57,279 --> 01:14:01,319
Horizon was around when Survival Horror was
coming out, and again, the only

1132
01:14:01,399 --> 01:14:05,000
song I really like on it as
a fucking baby metal song, it's slightly

1133
01:14:05,119 --> 01:14:10,760
slim pickings, but there are released
more signs here of that band. Even

1134
01:14:10,800 --> 01:14:13,960
if at the same time, while
I'm listening to this album and it hits

1135
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,800
a song like na, I'm so
down in that moment, I'm like,

1136
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:21,319
now they're gone. Yeah, I
just I'm just like you, just let

1137
01:14:21,399 --> 01:14:25,119
bring with the device and do what
I'm gonna do, and I'll take if

1138
01:14:25,279 --> 01:14:28,279
I'm getting at least one really good
song and to bring with a vice album

1139
01:14:28,319 --> 01:14:31,760
at this stage, I will be
fine. We just kind of carrying on

1140
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:36,520
with letting them track on and be
the least awful band in their scene.

1141
01:14:38,239 --> 01:14:40,960
Yeah. Again. I put up
a little poll on the T and M

1142
01:14:41,039 --> 01:14:44,840
Facebook group asking people what people kind
of thought of it. It generally worked

1143
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,880
out to a kind of equal you
know, people really really being into it

1144
01:14:49,159 --> 01:14:53,159
and people not so much hating it
but being kind of you know, like

1145
01:14:53,239 --> 01:14:57,680
it's catchy. Yeah, it's patchy. And again myself and you and again,

1146
01:14:57,680 --> 01:14:59,960
well from what Elliot said to us
as well off air, I think

1147
01:15:00,039 --> 01:15:01,359
we all kind of come under that
patchy thing. You know, we're not

1148
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:03,800
throwing all of it out, but
it's just kind of a mixed bag.

1149
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:09,720
And I guess that's where my expectations
are. So there you go. That

1150
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:14,279
is bringing the horizon after again so
many years now, the next entry in

1151
01:15:14,319 --> 01:15:15,960
the post human next gen thing?
Are they gonna be doing this fucking post

1152
01:15:16,039 --> 01:15:18,560
human series for like the rest of
the decade? Is this there twenty?

1153
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:23,840
It's going to be a four part
Like I hope they the next one is

1154
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:28,279
like comes along sooner, But maybe
I hope they do it down and drop

1155
01:15:28,319 --> 01:15:31,079
it after two and just kind of
move on to something, because it feels

1156
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:33,560
like, as an idea, it
was conceived you know, with a different

1157
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:36,840
literally different era. Is there a
different lineup now? Yeah? Yeah,

1158
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:41,560
But there you go. That's the
next gen entry at least, and that

1159
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:45,199
is obviously the mega review of this
particular bunch. The next load burst up,

1160
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:47,760
I guess, you know, the
next biggest one or they just feel

1161
01:15:47,760 --> 01:15:49,760
like a bit of a step down
from the where we were just But the

1162
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:54,560
next biggest one, I suppose is
the Story so Far, whose new record

1163
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:58,479
is called I Want to Disappear.
It's the fifth album from as we often

1164
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,520
say on the show, the most
ripped off potpunk band of the twenty tens.

1165
01:16:01,239 --> 01:16:04,239
Under Soil and Dirt and what you
Don't See really set the template for

1166
01:16:04,399 --> 01:16:08,520
kind of a new breed of pop
punk in that decade. But following that

1167
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:13,960
they kind of subtly evolved their sound
to indulge in some kind of slight stonerisms

1168
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:15,880
at time, but also by the
time of their last record, Proper Dose

1169
01:16:16,119 --> 01:16:20,159
in twenty eighteen, they had quite
clearly shifted their like old school you know,

1170
01:16:20,239 --> 01:16:26,720
pop punk to sound into terrain that
was you know, melodically still recognizable.

1171
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:31,159
But when you think about pop punk
bands maturing in that particular decade,

1172
01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:35,600
you know, they tweak their sound
to be less kind of instantly energetic and

1173
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:42,199
more to sit back with a slightly
kind of alternative rock radio sort of date

1174
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:45,199
to it. It's one of the
goat examples back to like the self titled

1175
01:16:45,199 --> 01:16:47,479
Blink when two album of they're adding
the kind of that cure post punky sort

1176
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:50,479
of stuff in there. The storys
virgin by adding in a bunch of like

1177
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:54,840
Brit rock and that sort of britpop
and that sort of stuff, and it

1178
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:59,399
is it's just mellowing up but still
being recognizable as one of the sort of

1179
01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,279
important punk bands of their era.
Yeah. I remember liking that album kind

1180
01:17:02,319 --> 01:17:05,760
of well enough, and I put
a song like out of It on you

1181
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:08,119
know again in the un up to
this, and I was like, yeah,

1182
01:17:08,119 --> 01:17:11,520
that's a great tune. But personally
the story so far, they don't

1183
01:17:11,560 --> 01:17:15,000
take up a tremendous amount of my
internal brain space. Like I like them

1184
01:17:15,079 --> 01:17:16,960
a fair bit, particularly they're you
know, the kind of first three records

1185
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:21,479
I suppose, but there is a
strange element about them where they write pop

1186
01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:26,840
punk songs that feel more certainly in
their earlier days, more built for kind

1187
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:30,640
of like a stage and a punk
show environment with everyone doing the finger point

1188
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:34,520
and all of that. Then they
do feel like the actual heirs to Blanquity

1189
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:39,399
Too or whoever else in terms of
like hanging with genuine pop classics like the

1190
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:43,960
Way That again I love them all
loathe them Enima of the State. Those

1191
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:47,720
songs are as big and as catchy
and as pop as like the Britney Spears

1192
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:50,600
songs that they were around at the
time. Story so Far I think represent

1193
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:54,920
a kind of move away from that, and it kind of it made it

1194
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,640
gives them a bit more punk credit, but it also has made their songs

1195
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,800
less ubiquitous. I think the Story
so Far they worked that. I think

1196
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:08,600
the bands that then rip them off
that kind of comparatively hookless approach kind of

1197
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,720
set the stage for part of the
downfall of pop punk. Well. The

1198
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:14,680
thing is, like, I think
a lot of the bands kind of took

1199
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,760
the the coarse sound of what the
story stear I did, but decided to

1200
01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:21,720
try and write bigger pop songs with
it. And you know, some had

1201
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:25,800
success of it neck deep think to
a point, and then they went too

1202
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,640
far and had to step back.
I think you've had like, you know,

1203
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,680
shit like State Champs so like just
copied the Story so Far from but

1204
01:18:32,760 --> 01:18:34,960
tried to write the bigger pop songs
with it, and so that some of

1205
01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:39,239
those bands have probably gone on to
kind of like lap the stories fine terms

1206
01:18:39,279 --> 01:18:43,199
of popularity just by writing more kind
of commercial version what they were doing.

1207
01:18:43,239 --> 01:18:46,000
But it's never felt like any of
them have kind of captured that kind of

1208
01:18:46,119 --> 01:18:50,479
like just that thing that made the
Story so Far feel exciting when they first

1209
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,760
came around. I mean, I've
had a look of a weird liace what

1210
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:57,800
I've got into them more the further
they've gone along and the more removed from

1211
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,640
pop punk they've become. And even
though I've gone back and light those early

1212
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:03,920
records more as of us of it
now, because I just think they're,

1213
01:19:04,079 --> 01:19:08,399
like I did, if there's just
they like when they were breaking it was

1214
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,920
such a buzzy thing. It was
kind of like, I don't wantnything to

1215
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:14,800
do with it. Stories so Far
record then uh self titled Okay, I

1216
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:18,079
mean self Titled is comfortably their best
album. But in general, I just

1217
01:19:18,159 --> 01:19:23,479
I like the Story so Far more
now than I did in twenty thirteen,

1218
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:26,000
twenty fourteen, when they were you
know, all the rage in pop punk.

1219
01:19:26,199 --> 01:19:28,720
Yeah, okay, I mean that
brings us into you know, six

1220
01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:33,199
years is a long time for a
pop punk band to go dormant. There

1221
01:19:33,199 --> 01:19:35,439
almost seemed to be a reluctance from
the Story So Far to kind of be

1222
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:39,199
around all that much at times,
And I guess it is quite funny coming

1223
01:19:39,239 --> 01:19:43,159
out of that that the album clocks
in under thirty minutes long. Sam,

1224
01:19:43,279 --> 01:19:46,159
I guess I want to know what
your gauge is of how like in demand

1225
01:19:46,319 --> 01:19:49,079
the Stories So Far are right now, because they're clearly one of the most

1226
01:19:49,119 --> 01:19:53,800
significant bands of their genre of the
last fifteen years, But how high a

1227
01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,239
demand and how many eyes are there
on, like you know, this new

1228
01:19:57,279 --> 01:20:01,560
record. It feels like it's actually
ticking back up after a quiet period.

1229
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:04,800
I don't know if the long time
away is kind of the whole absence makes

1230
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:10,039
the heart grow fonder where it feels
like there's been more eyes on this Story

1231
01:20:10,159 --> 01:20:15,279
so Far album or come across like
what I've seen then there was the Proper

1232
01:20:15,319 --> 01:20:17,760
Dose in twenty eighteen. It feels
like people are ready to kind of be

1233
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:20,600
on board with the Story so Far
again. I don't know if it's because

1234
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:26,600
it's been like again a particularly like
low point for pop punk, or or

1235
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:28,760
if it has just been they've been
away for so long, and everyone's kind

1236
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,960
of like what's old is new again, and they've got that warm, fuzzy

1237
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:34,279
nostalgia feeling. So when they're seeing
videos of Parker can and pushing someone off

1238
01:20:34,319 --> 01:20:38,039
stage, they're like, fuck,
yeah, the story so far are back.

1239
01:20:38,279 --> 01:20:43,000
Like but I don't know, it
felt like just compared to what because

1240
01:20:43,039 --> 01:20:45,760
I thought I was expecting not actually
much of a buzz around a new story

1241
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:48,760
for ARM because it'd been so long. But I've seen more people talk about

1242
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:53,279
this than I've seen talking about the
story so far in like, like even

1243
01:20:53,319 --> 01:20:55,680
like I said, since the last
album, Okay, I'm just gonna see

1244
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,720
that sod like completely different circles then, because I could well be could well

1245
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:00,680
be maybe from like the TNA audience. However, I haven't heard too much.

1246
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:03,039
I saw a little bit of dismissal
online when some of the first songs

1247
01:21:03,079 --> 01:21:05,880
were coming out. I don't know
if that's reflective of a general attitude or

1248
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:10,039
just kind of a few, you
know, grouchy old school fans. And

1249
01:21:10,119 --> 01:21:12,960
again, this is the most recent
release in our episode here, it's just

1250
01:21:13,039 --> 01:21:15,079
this last week came out. I've
barely heard a peeple about it. To

1251
01:21:15,159 --> 01:21:17,239
be fair, I think Story so
far are kind of reaching a point where,

1252
01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:21,399
despite the anticipation around it being you
know, six years since the last

1253
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:25,600
one and then being one of the
most significant bands in their field, I

1254
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:29,359
guess this is probably one of the
bigger kind of alternative rock adjacent records that

1255
01:21:29,399 --> 01:21:31,880
will cover this year, But there
may be isn't a tremendous amount new to

1256
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:34,760
say about them. Like I quite
enjoyed this, like I normally do so

1257
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:40,520
as of our records, but I
was also not really surprised or kind of

1258
01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:45,520
blown away by any point. So
I really like this. I really like

1259
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:48,800
this, but I agree it's very
much just kind of like Stories of It

1260
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:54,079
feels like they're kind of real of
us settling into being like elder statesment of

1261
01:21:54,279 --> 01:22:00,000
their era of pop punkin just writing
very like nice, super melodically sound,

1262
01:22:00,279 --> 01:22:05,119
catchy, fun uplifting, like good
pop punk songs that are like guitar melodies

1263
01:22:05,159 --> 01:22:09,680
and every song that just kind of
makes makes me smile. There are like

1264
01:22:09,880 --> 01:22:12,520
a couple of songs I actually have
like really good choruses, which again they're

1265
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:15,119
not necessarily always been a massive kind
of pop chorus band. But there's like

1266
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:19,079
Big Blind. I think that's got
a great chorus. It feels like it's

1267
01:22:19,119 --> 01:22:23,239
just kind of weirdo where like it's
almost a bit more pop punk than where

1268
01:22:23,239 --> 01:22:27,279
they were on Proper Dose, I
think, but it's just that like kind

1269
01:22:27,279 --> 01:22:30,960
of like just more stately almost take
on pop punk. It's kind of a

1270
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,960
weird paradox, but it really works
for me. Yeah, I agree.

1271
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:35,840
I think if there was a surprise
on this, it was like when I

1272
01:22:36,039 --> 01:22:40,199
pressed a play on it. Certainly
the first couple of songs they started off

1273
01:22:40,319 --> 01:22:44,640
more old school stories so far than
I remember Proper Dose being all this time

1274
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,640
decently energetic. Again, it's kind
of it's based in that kind of angst

1275
01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:50,800
and malaise that kind of characterizes the
stories so far. But you know,

1276
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,800
again it's energetic, and what you
go is, you know, zippy.

1277
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:57,279
It's like barely over two minutes long. That's got that kind of pop punk

1278
01:22:57,279 --> 01:22:59,960
guitar action going on in there.
Again, those things did give me kind

1279
01:22:59,960 --> 01:23:02,359
of a throwback Letterman. I don't
think it was the first single we spoke

1280
01:23:02,359 --> 01:23:05,079
out. I think that might have
been Big Blind. Yeah, I remember

1281
01:23:05,119 --> 01:23:09,640
hearing Letterman at least, and that
kind of moves over into that kind of

1282
01:23:10,840 --> 01:23:14,439
I guess pop punk emo kind of
crossover territory, and there's a certain like

1283
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,600
you know, being sad on a
sunny day, like bright yet melancholy atmosphere

1284
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:21,199
that works pretty well with like you
know, Parker's voice and the kind of

1285
01:23:21,199 --> 01:23:24,960
atmosphere of the story so far.
I do like that song quite a lot.

1286
01:23:25,399 --> 01:23:29,039
Big Blind again, that was the
lead single. Another you know,

1287
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:32,000
pretty standout song in terms of the
context of this album, like kind of

1288
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,079
that has a little bit of kind
of blink whity two melody and the guitars

1289
01:23:35,119 --> 01:23:39,439
to me, but in that like
emotive, grown up sort of way.

1290
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:43,920
That stuff. Again, I had
a pretty decent time with the acoustic songs

1291
01:23:43,960 --> 01:23:45,560
at the back end to in a
row, I don't get a tremendous amount

1292
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:50,399
of I was like, it's funny
because I'm like stories of foul on the

1293
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:56,279
bands who like cursed us with the
awful acoustic pop punk Ballot when they did

1294
01:23:56,359 --> 01:24:01,800
Clairvoyant and then that got ripped off
with whatever the one Neck Deep did and

1295
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,600
then or every other band, and
I was like, I hate the acoustic

1296
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,760
popu balot, but I quite like
the two of them at the end there

1297
01:24:08,119 --> 01:24:12,600
they were again a bit more stately
the first of the two I think is

1298
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:17,319
the better one where it kind of
like has that kind of like building kind

1299
01:24:17,359 --> 01:24:21,399
of stirring it grows into it.
Yeah, like the closing one, the

1300
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:25,880
tar track almost closed this kind of
like folky singer songwriter thing that they're trying,

1301
01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:27,640
and I'm like, again, I
quite like that as the sort of

1302
01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:30,319
thing they sound quite comfortable doing it. I wouldn't put them. I wouldn't

1303
01:24:30,319 --> 01:24:32,239
have put the two of them in
the right at the end of the record.

1304
01:24:32,319 --> 01:24:34,840
I agree, but I'm I would
have maybe if you'd move one of

1305
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:39,159
them slightly alone, it wouldn't they
would stand out more. But again,

1306
01:24:39,359 --> 01:24:43,000
nothing on this album, like I
can't say I disliked anything here. I

1307
01:24:43,119 --> 01:24:45,359
had a nice time listen to Living
Me Like Let Them, and it was

1308
01:24:45,399 --> 01:24:49,119
one of those like, oh,
it's nice thing that's kind of like angsty

1309
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:54,359
kind of emaging thing, but without
the cringe uglier side of what used to

1310
01:24:54,399 --> 01:24:58,199
be in the story so far,
where some Parker Cannon's lyricism had had a

1311
01:24:58,239 --> 01:25:01,640
slightly nastier tone to it, having
that like all of a more grown up

1312
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:05,199
sound of them, really nice sort
of thing and all the pop punk things

1313
01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:11,239
jump the gun where it's like there's
like rush of like sugary pop punk energy.

1314
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:18,600
But again, just like without sounding
juvenile and like childlike, we were

1315
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,680
a lot of like pop punk of
their ear ended up going. It all

1316
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:26,199
just sounds really good to me that
I just for the twenty minutes this is

1317
01:25:26,279 --> 01:25:29,279
on, I don't have a bad
thing to say about it. Yeah,

1318
01:25:29,359 --> 01:25:32,000
no, I don't massively either.
I think what I'm saying about the stories

1319
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:36,159
so far kind of generally, I
always find where their choruses there's a certain

1320
01:25:36,239 --> 01:25:40,279
kind of blockiness to them, the
way they kind of put their vocal parts

1321
01:25:40,279 --> 01:25:43,079
together and they multi track it,
and the kind of rhythm they deliver it

1322
01:25:43,159 --> 01:25:47,880
with. Again, it's his famous
kind of you know, imitated approach of

1323
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:53,359
vocal lines where he kind of lingers
on one person labal kind of you know

1324
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:57,399
that kind of characterizes this kind of
pop punk. It does make a lot

1325
01:25:57,439 --> 01:26:00,880
of it very samy to me,
like not a hue amounts tend to burst

1326
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:04,680
out of those kind of things.
Occasionally one will, and there is this

1327
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:10,319
kind of weird, vaguely uncanny middle
ground between like a very over produced voice

1328
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:13,199
and it just being park accounted.
And that's what he sounds like in that

1329
01:26:13,279 --> 01:26:16,720
kind of blockiness, but yeah,
it's it's those kind of subdued ear worms.

1330
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:23,880
Their choruses are very rarely actually showers
for a pop punk band, so

1331
01:26:24,680 --> 01:26:28,359
they're very rarely showstopping, but they
do imbue them on that sort of alt

1332
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:30,840
rock maturity. Uh. And again
I found myself, you know, fairly

1333
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,520
quickly settling into an air of kind
of predictability to it. But you know,

1334
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:39,560
the songs are pretty breezy to listen
to, maybe to a fault,

1335
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:44,159
but you know, not not unenjoyable. I have the experience that I usually

1336
01:26:44,279 --> 01:26:46,399
have with Story so Far album,
certainly in the present day, where it's

1337
01:26:46,479 --> 01:26:49,880
kind of perfectly enjoyable time while it's
on. How much there really is to

1338
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:53,000
kind of write home about or stick
around? I don't know, but you

1339
01:26:53,039 --> 01:26:54,800
know, I like let them in
a lot. That's the song I'll take

1340
01:26:54,840 --> 01:26:57,760
from this. I mean, I
think this is gonna stick with me a

1341
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:00,279
fair bit. Actually, I think
like so the of course I've rememder what

1342
01:27:00,359 --> 01:27:02,680
the story, but it's kind of
like the outros to songs, whereas where

1343
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:08,600
they always kind of like builded some
of the more like catchier moments, even

1344
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:11,920
going back to quicksand on, like
like going back to the baby, They've

1345
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:15,239
always had that kind of like build
this big kind of shout along, everyone

1346
01:27:15,319 --> 01:27:17,000
doing the finger points for the end
of the song rather than the chorus,

1347
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:21,279
which is something I always quite like
about them. But yeah, I again,

1348
01:27:21,359 --> 01:27:24,239
this is all I've had the least
of a time with that with like

1349
01:27:24,319 --> 01:27:29,000
it's been a quick turnaround, but
I think I will spend more time with

1350
01:27:29,119 --> 01:27:31,720
this and we'll kind of like just
enjoy it again. It's like I said,

1351
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,159
no fame minutes. If this was
longer, I might find I might

1352
01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:38,039
then find the over familiarity of the
songs would get a bit much. But

1353
01:27:38,159 --> 01:27:42,760
because it's so I don't mean any
maybe like one song goes over three minutes.

1354
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:45,399
The songs are all really in and
out, really punchy, so it

1355
01:27:45,479 --> 01:27:48,000
doesn't have time for that sort of
familiarity in stoutness to ever sit in because

1356
01:27:48,000 --> 01:27:51,319
it's just kind of like always moving
forward until you get to the end where

1357
01:27:51,319 --> 01:27:55,279
it does slow down. But those
songs feel distinct in their own way.

1358
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:57,359
Yeah, I think, you know, if you're an old school, die

1359
01:27:57,399 --> 01:27:59,880
hard fan, maybe those faster tracks
that like the you know, the earlier

1360
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:02,399
nothing to say as well, we'll
kind of scratch an itch that maybe Proper

1361
01:28:02,439 --> 01:28:04,720
Dose didn't. I think it's maybe
a bit more of a kind of like

1362
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:08,439
a half and half album with the
different side stories so Far rather than kind

1363
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:13,079
of that was for one of the
more kind of high profile pop punk records

1364
01:28:13,079 --> 01:28:15,279
of the year. The album is
bizarrely low profile. And I don't mean

1365
01:28:15,319 --> 01:28:18,880
that in terms of its breakout status, which were ting earlier. I just

1366
01:28:18,960 --> 01:28:24,359
mean it's personality, you know,
It's like it's a kind of unassuming record.

1367
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:27,079
And again it's not on them too
much, because if they want to

1368
01:28:27,159 --> 01:28:30,600
kind of just make fairly relaxed alternative
rock music with you know, kind of

1369
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:32,560
not that much poke your head over
the parapet sort of quality to it,

1370
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:36,199
that's that's their prerogative. I think
in terms of, like, you know,

1371
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:40,039
if you're waiting for the first Story
so Far record in sixty years to

1372
01:28:40,079 --> 01:28:43,119
kind of give the genre some kind
of defibrillator to the heart, you know.

1373
01:28:43,239 --> 01:28:45,239
I mean, certainly the next deep
album the start of this year has

1374
01:28:45,279 --> 01:28:47,279
more of the traditional kind of pop
punk bounce that you might be looking for.

1375
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,960
This is the you know, the
slightly more kind of downcast kind of

1376
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:53,840
take. I don't think it would
do much to kind of ushery in any

1377
01:28:53,840 --> 01:28:58,960
particular re energizement. But it's not
a bad record. I think. I

1378
01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:00,479
think that those of a good kind
of ones going back and we're like,

1379
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:04,119
good pop punk can happen, and
again they're doing different things with it.

1380
01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:08,119
But it is nice that, like
we've releast had two pop punk ams this

1381
01:29:08,199 --> 01:29:11,800
year that haven't made me just kind
of like feel like the genre is and

1382
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:14,520
they're not going to resuscitate the sort
of state of it, but it's nice

1383
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:18,600
that and I guess just they there
was been sitting in that colcess and where

1384
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:23,479
they don't they don't need to,
you know, be tied to pop punk

1385
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,880
anymore because they have I think enough
of a fan base who will always be

1386
01:29:27,079 --> 01:29:30,479
there for them that they can just
you know, prop up and do their

1387
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,840
kind of understated take on whatever they
want to do with pop punk and people

1388
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:38,199
will go with it. I think
they have a band who they have a

1389
01:29:38,359 --> 01:29:42,359
vocalist, people connect with their lyrical
Their lyricism is always going to get with

1390
01:29:42,399 --> 01:29:45,159
people, so that that will do
the job for them. Yeah. Third

1391
01:29:45,359 --> 01:29:50,039
review, we are venturing away from
that into territory we don't normally do on

1392
01:29:50,159 --> 01:29:56,920
this show. But it's Joey Valance
and Bray. Their record is called No

1393
01:29:57,239 --> 01:30:00,039
Hands, and they have been mentioned
quite a lot of times on the show

1394
01:30:00,199 --> 01:30:04,720
in the last a year or so. These guys are a hip hop duo.

1395
01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:10,600
They've really like carved out a name
for themselves in the last couple of

1396
01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:14,319
years. They're kind of here in
this review's sort of you know, dock

1397
01:30:14,399 --> 01:30:18,479
it by popular demand, really because
last year their album Punk Tactics kind of

1398
01:30:18,520 --> 01:30:23,039
steam rolled its way onto a bunch
of your audience end of year lists.

1399
01:30:23,359 --> 01:30:26,359
I seem to remember it doing fairly
well on the overall kind of T and

1400
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:29,680
M audience poll. Didn't quite break
the top twenty of that, but for

1401
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:32,079
a non rock album, it did
about as well as anything ever has done

1402
01:30:32,439 --> 01:30:35,760
in their outside of the likes of
kind of Run the Jewels or Kendrick Lamar

1403
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:41,279
whatever. And similarly to certainly at
least Run the Jewels, they seem to

1404
01:30:41,399 --> 01:30:45,119
be like, you know, a
hip hop act who are making heavy ventures

1405
01:30:45,159 --> 01:30:50,359
into what we do here and alternative
culture. First of all, to give

1406
01:30:50,359 --> 01:30:53,920
you a kind of crash course if
you've never heard of these guys, the

1407
01:30:54,039 --> 01:30:59,039
primary musical reference point is very clearly
and unshrinkingly the Beastie Boys, who are

1408
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:04,279
themselves perhaps the most t and m
adjacent of like classic hip hop acts.

1409
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:10,199
You know, former punk band frequently
drew together the worlds of hardcore punk and

1410
01:31:10,319 --> 01:31:12,680
rap music. You know, we've
done an album club, for example,

1411
01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,119
on the show on the Beastie Boys, and as every chance that we could

1412
01:31:15,119 --> 01:31:17,960
do something like that again. So
the last Joey vealanceon Bray album even had

1413
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,800
like a random hardcore song on it, like an old beast Boys album would

1414
01:31:21,359 --> 01:31:27,640
because of that spiritual crossover. They've
also you know, appeared in you know,

1415
01:31:28,039 --> 01:31:30,840
our rock scene quite a number of
times. They supported Limp Biscuit,

1416
01:31:30,159 --> 01:31:33,760
I think as in the UK some
forty one's farewell tour. They've opened that

1417
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:38,399
in the US alongside the Interrupters this
year, those two kind of sitting together,

1418
01:31:39,119 --> 01:31:42,359
and so it seems like you're going
to be seeing a lot more of

1419
01:31:42,399 --> 01:31:44,960
these guys. I guess whether you're
kind of checked into, you know,

1420
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,960
specifically hip hop culture or not.
And so you know, we didn't initially

1421
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:50,359
think to put this in the reviews
bag, you know, the last time

1422
01:31:50,399 --> 01:31:53,920
out, but as we go into
this one, Sam, you certainly made

1423
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:57,600
a pretty compelling case for kind of
us to do so this time. Yeah,

1424
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:00,760
I mean I didn't this can be
passed me by. I'd heard the

1425
01:32:00,840 --> 01:32:02,039
name, and then it was when
Mark mentioned it, I think in his

1426
01:32:02,119 --> 01:32:04,920
Top twenty, and I was like, just listen to this stuck punk tactics

1427
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:11,880
on and I was just immediately like
won over by their kind of Beastie Boys

1428
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:15,840
influence take on hip hop, but
with like the character and personality of them

1429
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,880
as well being such a like huge
selling point to me that I was kind

1430
01:32:18,920 --> 01:32:21,479
of like, Okay, cool,
next year ever Vans and Bram I'm going

1431
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,119
to be there right away. And
I was like, oh, didn't even

1432
01:32:24,119 --> 01:32:27,199
have to wait a year free,
like six months after getting into them,

1433
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:29,600
here's another album. I was kind
of like, cool. And I was

1434
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:33,560
like just because of how like not
just my sofferyly liking it, but I

1435
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:36,239
know quite a lot of our listeners
have really taken to this as well,

1436
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:42,640
and it is like spiritually, even
if it's not sonically a rock, it

1437
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:45,960
does hold those ties to some of
the stuff we cover. I think it

1438
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,359
would have been. I think it
was a fun one to put into the

1439
01:32:47,399 --> 01:32:51,279
reviews bags, kind of like I
actually, because how much does it.

1440
01:32:51,359 --> 01:32:55,680
How much is it like directly tied
to this and also like, just what

1441
01:32:55,840 --> 01:33:00,439
are people feeling about this, this
hip hop duo that have snuck their into

1442
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:03,000
like punk and hardcore and rock music. Yeah, I mean I again,

1443
01:33:03,039 --> 01:33:05,920
I didn't think to review them last
year, but personally I do, you

1444
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:09,960
know, I think these guys are
really fun. Everything I've heard from them

1445
01:33:10,079 --> 01:33:14,079
up to this point has been incredibly
infectious and enjoyable, and so I wasn't

1446
01:33:14,079 --> 01:33:15,880
surprised to see it kind of do
well and take off amongst a lot of

1447
01:33:15,880 --> 01:33:18,600
the listeners as well. We come
to their new record No Hands, which,

1448
01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:20,359
as you say, they do,
churn them out. It's released about

1449
01:33:20,399 --> 01:33:26,600
nine months after Punk Tactics, and
I guess you're approaching this for the first

1450
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:30,520
time in a critical capacity. Once
again, I can just say they make

1451
01:33:30,600 --> 01:33:34,239
it incredibly easy to enjoy them,
like obviously I have done, but I

1452
01:33:34,279 --> 01:33:39,600
don't have to turn on my kind
of critical faculties too hard, because these

1453
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:44,239
guys have the most innate knack of
making you feel like you're in on just

1454
01:33:44,359 --> 01:33:49,359
some kind of incredible party. Yeah, it is like charisma and personality is

1455
01:33:49,479 --> 01:33:55,000
the selling point for Javilans. A
break for me they make this work because

1456
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:59,560
like this is so in on the
kind of real braggadocious side of hip hop.

1457
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:02,720
They feel they are the bollocks like
they they you could not like tear

1458
01:34:02,760 --> 01:34:06,359
these guys ego down. But there
is a wink to it. There is

1459
01:34:06,399 --> 01:34:13,560
a knowing yeah, like where they're
quit big themselves up, but they're doing

1460
01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:15,359
mean form. I mean, it's
got some things where like this to me

1461
01:34:15,439 --> 01:34:20,119
should be like annoying because it's so
reference heavy, but again, some of

1462
01:34:20,159 --> 01:34:24,880
the references are so fun and the
lyrics are so snappy, and the lines

1463
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,159
they come out with that are kind
of go like, no, make all

1464
01:34:27,199 --> 01:34:30,800
the video game references and drop these
like things that are like fucking dated Ben

1465
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,920
ten references, like shit like that, Like this is the shit they're pulling

1466
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:38,800
from. It's it's so nerdy but
so cool and fine at the same time

1467
01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:42,199
that its like I think you'd have
to be a real kind of grumpy stick

1468
01:34:42,199 --> 01:34:44,520
in the mud to not get up
from and feel like do you like say

1469
01:34:44,760 --> 01:34:47,119
you're in on the party with them? Yeah? I mean again for myself,

1470
01:34:47,159 --> 01:34:49,039
you know, I I love a
lot of hip hop, but I

1471
01:34:49,359 --> 01:34:55,119
do often find myself kind of uninterested
in the trends of certainly the mainstream over

1472
01:34:55,119 --> 01:34:57,520
the last ten years or so.
And this, you know, with that

1473
01:34:57,680 --> 01:35:01,520
huge obviously Beasties influence the classic eighties
nineties hip hop elements that they kind of

1474
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:05,199
bring into their sound. There is
a very refreshing throwback side to jovial Anson

1475
01:35:05,239 --> 01:35:11,279
Bray that I like, but also
on this album they have making it sound

1476
01:35:11,399 --> 01:35:14,640
so incredibly contemporary, and as much
as they are a throwback, I think

1477
01:35:14,680 --> 01:35:18,159
they're also in their own personalities an
act that could only have been produced in

1478
01:35:18,239 --> 01:35:23,880
gen z. You know. Yeah, it is again the braggadocious, but

1479
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:29,560
by way of like they're kind of
they're knowing white boys. Essentially a couple

1480
01:35:29,600 --> 01:35:32,239
of guys who met at some kind
of music college or something got together started

1481
01:35:32,279 --> 01:35:39,079
doing this incredibly nerdy and incredibly like
self aware, hanging out in their box

1482
01:35:39,159 --> 01:35:43,399
of shorts in their fucking you know, dormitory or whatever, you know,

1483
01:35:43,479 --> 01:35:47,000
rap music. And there's a couple
of real standout bangers on like the Punk

1484
01:35:47,039 --> 01:35:50,880
Tactics record and some like Unforgettable Bars. The bit on that record when he

1485
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:56,199
rhymes instrumental with nunchuck swinging crazy mental
is I mean, it's the JoJo's bizarre

1486
01:35:56,239 --> 01:35:59,000
Adventure bar for me, that is
one that's lived in my head that now

1487
01:35:59,039 --> 01:36:02,119
you're going to play them because again
just me being a weeb if you're gonna

1488
01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:05,239
drop that as a rap bar.
And also the Kingdom Hearts one whatever that

1489
01:36:05,359 --> 01:36:08,800
when they're dropping bars out on Punk
Tactics. That was why I was like,

1490
01:36:09,119 --> 01:36:13,600
I can't not love whatever they're doing
here, and yeah, that was

1491
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:16,960
that was it where just immediately the
character won me over. Yeah. But

1492
01:36:17,359 --> 01:36:21,640
I think on this record, I
think the consistency of particularly I think the

1493
01:36:21,720 --> 01:36:26,800
beats, like the instrumentals that are
incredibly fun to listen to and to hear

1494
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,760
them come and wrap over, I
think is actually higher than on the last

1495
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:31,520
album. I think this album is
always refreshing. The kind of the sound

1496
01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:36,520
of what's going on. The opening
track Busset is just like Godzilla size with

1497
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:40,199
the bass that it comes in with. And then there's a song letter on

1498
01:36:40,279 --> 01:36:43,560
called the Baddest, which is it's
a fucking Little John song like which I

1499
01:36:43,680 --> 01:36:46,359
must say, like, never suspected
I would reference that as an influence on

1500
01:36:46,399 --> 01:36:48,800
an episode of That's Not Mattal.
I think that might be a first,

1501
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:54,079
but it's there and it's incredibly fun. Well, because I like musically this

1502
01:36:54,199 --> 01:36:57,960
does have a bit less in like
Punk Tactics in the name had more of

1503
01:36:58,119 --> 01:37:00,720
the punk and kind of hard infants
kind of style to the music. And

1504
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:04,319
the beast this is just I think, blending a lot of modern hip hop

1505
01:37:05,119 --> 01:37:10,000
based of that with that ninetighties nights
thing. But it is like every song

1506
01:37:10,119 --> 01:37:13,920
has a like a beat or an
inch mental break or some kind of flavor

1507
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,279
that makes it really interesting. Like
the title track with that saxophone is just

1508
01:37:17,399 --> 01:37:23,520
so smooth and amazing and it sounds
so good. Packer Punch is the one

1509
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:25,479
for me where I'm just like that
beat. I'm like, oh my god.

1510
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:28,760
This This should have been on every
extreme sports video game in the year

1511
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:30,399
two thousand and two. It should
have been on all of them because it

1512
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:33,840
just sounds so that era and that
that that could like the dog you know

1513
01:37:34,079 --> 01:37:39,319
that a pack up punch like hook
and all those sort of things. All

1514
01:37:39,399 --> 01:37:43,520
these elements just make the album sound
amazing. Yeah, that title track beat

1515
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:47,199
you mention with the sax is like
absolutely wonderful when it has this like laid

1516
01:37:47,319 --> 01:37:56,359
back, casual impressiveness that mum and
hit Yeah is about not trying and being

1517
01:37:56,399 --> 01:37:59,840
the fucking business. Yeah, and
that that saxophone is the perfect kind of

1518
01:38:00,079 --> 01:38:02,680
sound for accompany that. Yeah,
there's the kind of like nineties dance feel

1519
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:05,119
to a lot of this album that
was kind of again being introduced here,

1520
01:38:05,159 --> 01:38:09,840
I think is really really cool,
like a punk has this kind of cybernetic

1521
01:38:09,920 --> 01:38:14,239
prodigy feel that kind of it.
Yeah, it's like splicing these things up

1522
01:38:14,279 --> 01:38:16,359
and the first half of that is
fun, but then that really affected voice

1523
01:38:16,399 --> 01:38:20,520
comes in, going it's time to
rave, and like you're kind of at

1524
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:24,199
that point you know, it's really
great again the kind of big like just

1525
01:38:24,399 --> 01:38:28,840
girth and production boost on on Bust
Pack a Punch again featuring Danny Brown,

1526
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:31,279
who is like one of my favorite
rappers of kind of my period of listening

1527
01:38:31,359 --> 01:38:34,000
hip hop music. I guess Trusty
Exbition is one of my favorite records.

1528
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:40,640
That beat has that like hooky eeriness
that you might find one of his records,

1529
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:45,000
but melded with kind of the boisterousness
of these guys. When Bray goes

1530
01:38:45,039 --> 01:38:48,680
don't piss your trousers, it's like
as borderline menacing as a line that rhymes

1531
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:55,760
it with bowser could, And then
Danny comes in with that like strangulated,

1532
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:59,800
cartoonish nightmare of his voice, and
he just crushes that part because of course

1533
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:02,640
he like it's so it's so built
for him. It's it's the Boxer intro

1534
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:05,359
to Danny Brown as well. That
again, I can't not get hyped up

1535
01:39:05,359 --> 01:39:13,119
when that entering the room Brown and
like that feel like an Xbox lobby all

1536
01:39:13,199 --> 01:39:16,319
that sort of shit. They're so
Again, he's in on the same kind

1537
01:39:16,319 --> 01:39:19,479
of like approach lyricism that they're going
for on this, but everyone has just

1538
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:25,159
got so much character and personality and
again he's kind of both with so different

1539
01:39:25,199 --> 01:39:27,960
as well. Then it does feel
like, again I guess what that actually

1540
01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:31,359
brings something to the song, a
different flavor that is really cool. Yeah,

1541
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:34,720
I really like the sonic breadth of
this record that's opened up from what

1542
01:39:34,920 --> 01:39:39,359
was there before. Again that that
kind of the way from beat and that

1543
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:44,680
kind of like fun eurodance nineties,
you know, kind of distorted some plain

1544
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:47,279
kind of element that these beats kind
of tend to have. This album isn't

1545
01:39:47,439 --> 01:39:50,680
as much a kind of like obnoxious
jump up and down all the way through

1546
01:39:50,760 --> 01:39:56,680
thing. It's also now quite inviting
and like a quite like lush environment spend

1547
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:59,880
time in Sometimes, And that's also
a song that features the line I feel

1548
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:02,600
like Michael Sarah in his swag era. When was that? When was Michael

1549
01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:08,399
Sarah's swag era? We're talking super
bad? Are we talking Juno? When

1550
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:13,159
was this? So many like just
fucking hilarious lines that on this album,

1551
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:17,000
they're so like unseerious in just a
very endearing way. When the first line

1552
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:20,079
on No Hands is when I was
ten, I was sipping Shirley Temple present

1553
01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:29,199
day, I'm still, oh mate, it's so dark, but was smiling

1554
01:40:30,399 --> 01:40:34,359
again. I'm just saying it's so
infectious. Yeah, the all the goofy

1555
01:40:34,720 --> 01:40:40,520
like nineties noughties nostalgia. This is
again, if you had me a bayb

1556
01:40:40,520 --> 01:40:45,319
Blade, I let it rip like
exactly reference in Bayblades Danny Phantom. Obviously,

1557
01:40:45,319 --> 01:40:48,640
one of the singles is called John
Cena. This is like, how

1558
01:40:48,760 --> 01:40:53,039
to make that video game thing,
bring Me the Horizon, not sound so

1559
01:40:53,279 --> 01:40:57,359
forced and try hard, like it
just sounds like they are teenagers in their

1560
01:40:57,439 --> 01:41:01,399
rooms goofing about kind of Internet humor. The deep cut references the lining here

1561
01:41:01,439 --> 01:41:08,359
where it references the famous Frozene joke
from the Incredibles. It's like peak again

1562
01:41:08,640 --> 01:41:11,760
like gen z hip hop in the
best way, you know, the funniest

1563
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:15,479
sides of that kind of internet humor. Call me Ben ten because I own

1564
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:19,159
ten Bens. That's bars right there, that's it is again. You can

1565
01:41:19,239 --> 01:41:23,000
pick up so many and that is
it is. I think if the bars

1566
01:41:23,039 --> 01:41:28,399
weren't delivered with such conviction and sound
like so snappy, the constant reference humor

1567
01:41:28,520 --> 01:41:34,479
would get eye rolling really quickly.
But them as just like rappers as personalities,

1568
01:41:34,520 --> 01:41:39,119
they constantly sell it. I just
never want to like get tired of

1569
01:41:39,199 --> 01:41:42,000
hearing them and see again, see
where else they can come up with next

1570
01:41:42,079 --> 01:41:46,039
time. But it is really cool. Yeah. I'm also not unconvinced that

1571
01:41:46,159 --> 01:41:49,920
this album isn't a concept album about
booty eating. There are there's so many

1572
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:53,520
lyrics about it, isn't there There
are at least four or five illusions,

1573
01:41:54,039 --> 01:41:59,119
one of which is an attack on
Titan reference that the hook in Okay is

1574
01:41:59,159 --> 01:42:01,399
just so funny, yeah, so
good. Yeah. I think this album

1575
01:42:02,079 --> 01:42:06,239
maybe it doesn't have a kind of
runaway single like the title track of Punk

1576
01:42:06,239 --> 01:42:10,159
Tactics, which has kind of done
really big thing for them, But all

1577
01:42:10,239 --> 01:42:13,119
of these songs I like to a
pretty similar degree. To be honest,

1578
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:15,840
on an instrumental and production level,
I think it's the most advanced thing that

1579
01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:18,840
they've done, which goes a tremendous
way in terms of how much I'm enjoying

1580
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:21,479
it, and the wrapping on top
of that is just like as fun and

1581
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:24,920
as infectious as everything else that they
do it. They're just getting better,

1582
01:42:25,279 --> 01:42:27,880
And again I would always just go
for the Beastie Boys. Finger of one

1583
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:30,359
of them was rapping and everyone's jumping
in say the last word of the line

1584
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:33,920
like that shit is always gonna pop
me, And yeah, this this feels

1585
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:39,039
like in a lot of ways a
just development of the kind of scrappiness of

1586
01:42:39,079 --> 01:42:42,199
punk tactics and kind of going okay, can we make this bigger? And

1587
01:42:42,279 --> 01:42:45,960
that they turn out in such a
short space of time is actually like really

1588
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:48,520
exciting. Yeah, so that's Jerry
of a Lance and Bray are kind of

1589
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:53,800
occasional dalliance into reviewing hip hop,
but obviously a lot of you guys really

1590
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:58,520
really like that act. So there's
a new album for them and we recommend

1591
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:01,359
it. We are gonna move into
more I guess conventional you know, punk

1592
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:05,000
tactics if you will, Although there's
not too much it is conventional about some

1593
01:43:05,079 --> 01:43:09,760
of these records. Candy is first
up in that particular regard. Their new

1594
01:43:09,840 --> 01:43:14,760
record is called It's Inside You.
Candy have been kicking around for I mean

1595
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:17,159
big time since their kind of debut
full length Got Good to Feel in twenty

1596
01:43:17,199 --> 01:43:21,000
eighteen. That got brought on this
podcast as kind of about feel how like

1597
01:43:21,119 --> 01:43:26,600
violent This record is follow up then
came a little bit later twenty twenty two,

1598
01:43:26,760 --> 01:43:30,560
Heaven is Here and they're the kind
of noise abrasion felt like it'd be

1599
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:33,479
taken a lot further. That record
was produced by Arthur Rizzik, and the

1600
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:38,920
full on like industrial terrorism stuff got
whipped up a beauty on that. This

1601
01:43:39,039 --> 01:43:44,399
record now mixed by Kurt Blou co
produced by Michael from the band and Ben

1602
01:43:44,479 --> 01:43:48,079
Greenberg from the industrial band Uniform.
This band, I'm I'd weirdly kind of

1603
01:43:48,119 --> 01:43:51,840
been in two minds about them,
because like I've never quite settled on how

1604
01:43:53,039 --> 01:43:56,640
much of a fan I suppose.
I'd like the baseline thing of what they

1605
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,920
do. I remember seeing that outbright
last year and sometimes this is the Candy,

1606
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,079
and I think like this is well
aggressive and noisy, but I don't

1607
01:44:02,079 --> 01:44:05,000
know how much neces necessary I have
to say about that. Sometimes when I'm

1608
01:44:05,000 --> 01:44:09,439
feeling a little bit less kind towards
them and a bit more dismissive, I

1609
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:11,880
think of them as being a bit
like a kind of a less graceful,

1610
01:44:12,039 --> 01:44:15,159
hardcore crowd version of someone like Full
of Hell. But then I guess occasionally

1611
01:44:15,159 --> 01:44:16,960
again I opened my mind is a
little bit more and they throw in some

1612
01:44:17,039 --> 01:44:19,800
interesting swerves and I like, go
oh, okay, And hearing this album,

1613
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:21,760
I was a little bit like,
you know, okay, this is

1614
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:27,079
kind of what I generally understand Candy
to be. It's ignorant, it's loud,

1615
01:44:27,279 --> 01:44:29,760
it's noisy, it beats you up, but I don't necessarily know how

1616
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:31,840
much staying power it has. But
then you sam you again, you were

1617
01:44:31,840 --> 01:44:33,600
pointing out some elements within it where
I was like, yeah, okay,

1618
01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:38,359
there are some kind of on the
pulse creative things within it that do make

1619
01:44:38,439 --> 01:44:41,119
it dive into you know what I
mean. Yeah, I mean, like

1620
01:44:41,199 --> 01:44:44,000
trub this is my favor thing Candy
have done. I really like Candy,

1621
01:44:44,079 --> 01:44:45,840
But I think there are bands who
aren't one the kind of one I'll just

1622
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:48,920
stick on when I just want noise
that I'm not gonna say, like they

1623
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,560
haven't. They're no one you know
you go to like, oh that that

1624
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:56,279
album, those songs or that is
particularly amazing. It is just like really

1625
01:44:57,439 --> 01:45:00,199
horrid, abrasive, violent, hardcore
noise. This is the first one where

1626
01:45:00,199 --> 01:45:04,880
they've kind of gone. I actually
think they've started to carve out their own

1627
01:45:05,039 --> 01:45:10,319
kind of like take on the kind
of noisy, abrasive hardcore thing they were

1628
01:45:10,359 --> 01:45:12,600
doing because that, like when they
were doing that, a lot of bands

1629
01:45:12,640 --> 01:45:15,079
were kind of coming out and just
like, yeah, lots of bands can

1630
01:45:15,159 --> 01:45:17,880
make noise, and so I can
under why someone might write Candy offers kind

1631
01:45:17,880 --> 01:45:21,399
of like not bad but feel a
little indifferent towards them. But this album

1632
01:45:21,479 --> 01:45:24,920
is the first one more again,
And it's funny that this album is one

1633
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:29,239
that I've really gone with Candy because
this does stuff that I was like saying

1634
01:45:29,359 --> 01:45:31,800
I'm not super into earlier, but
I think Candy have found a way to

1635
01:45:31,920 --> 01:45:35,199
kind of sell it to me.
Yeah, And it's a funny thing with

1636
01:45:35,279 --> 01:45:40,560
this because the the riffing is pretty
straightforward, right, Like, it's pretty

1637
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:44,439
it's straightforward hardcore. It's very bullish, it's pretty to the point. There's

1638
01:45:44,479 --> 01:45:46,199
not a lot of fancy or particularly
inventive stuff going on in terms of you

1639
01:45:46,239 --> 01:45:49,359
know, that heavy side of it, and sometimes it kind of creates the

1640
01:45:49,399 --> 01:45:55,439
impression for me of it being more
simplistic and conventional than maybe the record overall

1641
01:45:55,920 --> 01:46:00,159
is Short Circuit is like pure old
school name te's metal core stomp. It

1642
01:46:00,199 --> 01:46:04,520
makes sense to why they've then got
Aaron Who's plaquitarian integrity to kind of guesst

1643
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:08,520
on that one. But you know, again, it's doing these very normal,

1644
01:46:09,319 --> 01:46:13,279
not reinventing the wheel riffs and rhythms, but they blend that with a

1645
01:46:13,399 --> 01:46:17,359
kind of heavy dose of electronica that
brings it about as close as like that

1646
01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:21,880
kind of meaty bruising you know,
Jesus Pea style hardcore has come to things

1647
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:26,119
like hyper pop. Yeah. I
mean, like the first two songs in

1648
01:46:26,199 --> 01:46:30,840
this Existens and Shorts are almost like
the kind of the most straightforward hardcore the

1649
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:33,000
album gets for a little while because
that like they are, you know,

1650
01:46:33,239 --> 01:46:36,680
just there's electric beats kind of wiring
around on it. But it is those

1651
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:43,039
two songs are kind of more built
on like clenched fists of violent hardcore.

1652
01:46:43,239 --> 01:46:46,000
X's being the sort of like fast
one. Short Circuit sort of just lumbering

1653
01:46:46,039 --> 01:46:49,399
forth stomp. There's like like the
old like almost Metallica guitar likeck mixed in

1654
01:46:49,479 --> 01:46:55,680
there as well, but it is
they're quite straightforward, and though those election

1655
01:46:55,840 --> 01:47:00,439
touches do make it slightly more interesting. And it's then on you Will Ever

1656
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:01,479
Get Me? Where this am kind
of goes all right, now we're going

1657
01:47:01,520 --> 01:47:08,119
to probably show the hand and hump
all this electronic noise all over these hardcore

1658
01:47:08,159 --> 01:47:12,479
songs. Yeah, exist end that
the David Cronenberg song. I really like

1659
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:15,720
that kind of tight bass groove,
the drum part. It's got that kind

1660
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:19,439
of cocoffin a snare thing that I
love about like the first Vein record,

1661
01:47:20,159 --> 01:47:23,960
but it's got that kind of the
programming sort of bouncing on and off of

1662
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:28,159
like the actual human drums. The
riffing again just down tuned, groovy hardcore,

1663
01:47:28,199 --> 01:47:30,640
but it's arranged in a kind of
cool way. I think maybe my

1664
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:34,960
favorite track on the record is the
one with Justice Trip from It's got this

1665
01:47:35,119 --> 01:47:41,840
like thug bassline, but with this
like proper nighties techno industrialized field of the

1666
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:45,640
programming, and it's like a hardcore
band playing behind this sort of digital grid.

1667
01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:49,920
You know, it's like a kind
of industrial floor filler hardcore that's also

1668
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:57,239
not kind of overtly braggadocious loud mouthed
enough to upset the people who rebell against

1669
01:47:57,239 --> 01:47:59,640
Out for Blood, you know what
I mean, Like you ever give that's

1670
01:47:59,640 --> 01:48:03,039
my where that is on where it's
like full on like digital dance like hardcore

1671
01:48:03,239 --> 01:48:06,319
that it sounds really cool. You
get those like I mean say, it's

1672
01:48:06,319 --> 01:48:11,840
not as like a basis, you
get those DJ scratches going absolutely mental in

1673
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:13,800
the middle of it. But I
guess because it's not got that kind of

1674
01:48:13,920 --> 01:48:16,800
like braggadose thing about the blood,
and it's still got a bit about the

1675
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:20,680
blood that people hated, yea what
I'm saying, Like it's still purely in

1676
01:48:20,720 --> 01:48:25,880
that hardcore anger. Like the beat
on that one, it's like it because

1677
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:29,199
it's a drum machine going off on
the beat down like without how electronic and

1678
01:48:29,239 --> 01:48:32,279
process that sounds, which is like
really almost like jarring, but sounds really

1679
01:48:32,319 --> 01:48:35,479
fucking cool. The Justice Trip guest
spoty just comes at the end just do

1680
01:48:35,640 --> 01:48:40,239
It's one of those kind of more
standard past the mic of hardcore guest spots.

1681
01:48:40,279 --> 01:48:42,840
But I'm always down for a bit
of that. But yeah, this

1682
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:46,399
one where I'm like those those big
beats mixed with the hardcore stomp. It

1683
01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:50,439
sounds really cool. And this sounds
like it's actually something quite fresh and new

1684
01:48:50,479 --> 01:48:54,479
in hardcore, which is what I'm
always like, I'm always on the lookout

1685
01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:57,880
for. It's Harkabans who can find
a new kind of thing to tap into

1686
01:48:58,000 --> 01:49:01,840
and still sound like they not completely
throwing the genre behind. Yeah, the

1687
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:04,640
title track has got kind of cool
sort of thrash metally rift that then gets

1688
01:49:04,640 --> 01:49:09,479
sort of, you know, fucked
up by that blocky industrial sort of squaring

1689
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:13,359
off with everything. It's very stompy. This record, you know, to

1690
01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:16,039
Humanize Me is the one for that, Like that's that pure industrial kind of

1691
01:49:16,079 --> 01:49:20,560
mechanis. Yeah, comparing this to
Heaven Is Here, their last album that

1692
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:27,119
was like full on, like overwhelming, firestorm abrasive again kind of as close

1693
01:49:27,159 --> 01:49:30,520
to like a grind record that they've
kind of made. This is more like

1694
01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:34,439
conventional hardcore at its roots, but
then kind of, you know, injecting

1695
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:39,239
all that kind of futuristic stuff into
it. And I suppose as it goes

1696
01:49:39,239 --> 01:49:43,119
along, you know, Lovelight Snow
is a all out electronic song and that

1697
01:49:43,239 --> 01:49:46,359
has a sort of you know that
kind of turnstyle like bounce in Yeah bynd

1698
01:49:47,079 --> 01:49:51,840
slightly distorted shouty vocal as opposed to
the kind of more traditional hard yeah scream

1699
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:56,359
yeah, and it's got Marissa from
Flashwater is kind of hanging around in the

1700
01:49:56,359 --> 01:49:59,880
background doing backing vocals as well,
but it's like stripped out of the hard

1701
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:02,800
correlement of it and put it over
this kind of electronic thing. And I

1702
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:06,039
guess maybe it's it's the structuring of
the album is kind of what part of

1703
01:50:06,960 --> 01:50:10,680
is going for it, because again, similarly to some of like glow On

1704
01:50:10,760 --> 01:50:15,039
by Turnstarle, I think the thing
that made glow On so kind of impressive

1705
01:50:15,039 --> 01:50:17,479
to people is kind of the macro
level. It's kind of like the songs

1706
01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:21,199
they place next to each other,
like it's Underwater Boy and then Holiday whatever,

1707
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:28,600
that kind of macro level of the
overall project becomes I guess, particularly

1708
01:50:28,640 --> 01:50:31,560
interesting rather than like individual moments of
greatness. And I think that's similar to

1709
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:35,479
how this record is kind of structured. I suppose there are there's a few

1710
01:50:35,560 --> 01:50:39,920
tracks on this that do kind of
like pass by me without feeling they hit

1711
01:50:39,960 --> 01:50:44,439
on like something of huge note,
but then the record veers back in the

1712
01:50:44,520 --> 01:50:47,800
back end to like again full on
electronic experimental zone. I do like terror

1713
01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:51,000
Management, which is like minute and
a half grinds. That's like the rusty

1714
01:50:51,039 --> 01:50:54,800
grind course on that rips. Yeah. Sure, but again there is a

1715
01:50:54,920 --> 01:50:59,640
there is a quite straightforward segment of
this record, and then suddenly at the

1716
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:01,840
end, d after the infinite beating
Hypercore, Oh shit, it's back to

1717
01:51:02,039 --> 01:51:05,840
future ravetime. Is that that Dreamless
Swite and Silent Collapse are kind of two

1718
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:11,359
where it's like, okay, this
is just more kind of like heavy hearing

1719
01:51:11,399 --> 01:51:15,399
hardcore beat down on Dreams that sweet
goes wild that that's a really good beat

1720
01:51:15,439 --> 01:51:17,079
down on that one, but it
is. It was what maybe want to

1721
01:51:17,199 --> 01:51:19,560
kind of bring this on was when
you hit that final two of Dancing to

1722
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:25,960
the Infinite Beat and Hypercore where they
go all in the beats, getting fast

1723
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:30,520
on dance to the Infinite Beat and
just building up that like that sort of

1724
01:51:30,960 --> 01:51:36,680
cuy like pounding that throw and then
hypercorre having all the crazy glitch electronics that

1725
01:51:36,800 --> 01:51:41,840
I don't like about hyperp but just
hitting over with this really like punishing polverizing

1726
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:44,600
kind of hardcore like things. We're
like fitting in a beat down at the

1727
01:51:44,680 --> 01:51:46,960
end that it still goes super hard
like that Ship is that. I was

1728
01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:49,760
like, oh cool, you can
actually translate that stuff to me quite nicely

1729
01:51:49,800 --> 01:51:54,479
by blending in like this, Yeah, that song that's got that kind of

1730
01:51:54,560 --> 01:51:59,000
chest beating hardcore's livery again but over
essentially like Pokemon Sense Lives. Yeah,

1731
01:51:59,439 --> 01:52:01,680
and then hyper core is again in
the title. You know, it almost

1732
01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:05,159
feels like their exact kind of mission
statement. Yeah, I would put this

1733
01:52:05,319 --> 01:52:10,159
like, you know, those bands
who are kind of on the cusp of

1734
01:52:10,439 --> 01:52:13,880
hardcore sort of changing and evolving into
sort of something else in them modern age,

1735
01:52:14,239 --> 01:52:15,800
you know, Turnstile. I guess
one hundred Dex are kind of hanging

1736
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:19,439
around the Piphrey somewhere. I was
thinking about that MS Paint record last year

1737
01:52:19,479 --> 01:52:24,000
as well, that kind of like
full on like digital Internet aid hardcore.

1738
01:52:24,079 --> 01:52:28,560
I don't always love that stuff.
It's kind of interesting academically to me more

1739
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:30,000
than it is my favorite kind of
music. This is I guess it's a

1740
01:52:30,119 --> 01:52:38,920
more warlike Flamethrower sort of version of
that kind of concept. And again it's

1741
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:43,000
it's a little bit scattered and it's
not always massively interesting, But like I

1742
01:52:43,039 --> 01:52:46,199
said, on the macro level,
that's the kind of progressive bit about it,

1743
01:52:46,279 --> 01:52:50,600
and they are, you know,
an interesting progressively minded band Candy who

1744
01:52:50,640 --> 01:52:55,479
I think they're definitely they're one of
those bands who are representing those areas of

1745
01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:59,399
where heavy music might kind of be
headed in certain ways. And so I

1746
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:02,279
don't know if it necessarily land done
on something that that's fully like rounded creatively

1747
01:53:02,359 --> 01:53:05,439
yet, but there is that element
about them, no, I think that's

1748
01:53:05,439 --> 01:53:09,279
fair. I think like the kind
of like source of talk like wanting to

1749
01:53:09,319 --> 01:53:14,199
be like a really violent, noisy
hardcore band whilst branching out into that kind

1750
01:53:14,199 --> 01:53:15,880
of digital hardcore thing, because it
does have simil things to that MS paint

1751
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:18,920
thing, but that where that has
no guitars at all. This is still

1752
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:24,640
built a lot around riffs and beat
downs mangled in with the electronics. But

1753
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:29,479
to me that just it just makes
them sound coustic and violent and dangerous,

1754
01:53:29,680 --> 01:53:33,439
but like kind of futuristic and interesting
in kind of like where you can go.

1755
01:53:33,520 --> 01:53:35,640
And maybe this is kind of like
the first step for Canny of doing

1756
01:53:35,680 --> 01:53:40,439
that, and the next record they
might fully realize every aspect of it.

1757
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:43,760
But I do find this like aged
when I heard it on it is a

1758
01:53:44,239 --> 01:53:47,000
like flies By and it is an
exciting listen to me. Yeah, our

1759
01:53:47,119 --> 01:53:51,800
next review I guess links that kind
of hardcore world with some of the underground

1760
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:57,079
metal that we're going to talk about
afterwards. Umbra Vita and the record is

1761
01:53:57,119 --> 01:54:01,520
called Light of Death. Umbra Vita
kind of, you know, emerged on

1762
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:06,119
the scene. This is the second
album from a supergroup that appeared at the

1763
01:54:06,159 --> 01:54:10,199
start of this decade, consisting of
Jake Bannon, I hope you know him

1764
01:54:10,239 --> 01:54:15,399
him have converged Sean Martin of Twitching
Tongues formerly of Hate Breed on guitars.

1765
01:54:15,399 --> 01:54:16,960
I always forget that Twitching Tongues have
like an ex Hate Breed member on guitar.

1766
01:54:17,079 --> 01:54:20,119
That's kind of a bit of a
get, isn't it. Mike McKenzie

1767
01:54:20,319 --> 01:54:25,039
of The Red Chord on guitars,
Greg Weeks of The Red Chord on bass,

1768
01:54:25,640 --> 01:54:29,079
John Rice currently of Uncle Assen,
the Deadbeats Bizarrely but formerly of Job

1769
01:54:29,159 --> 01:54:31,119
for a Cowboy, The Red Cord. Lots of more brutal metal bands on

1770
01:54:31,159 --> 01:54:35,079
the drums and the central pitch is
you know, I guess Jake Bannon and

1771
01:54:35,319 --> 01:54:39,920
then Sean Martin are kind of the
highest profile members on the hardcore side.

1772
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:43,920
It's you know, some hardcore legends
leaning into kind of more all out death

1773
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:47,319
metal. Jake Bannon, I guess
it's the most extreme metal thing he's ever

1774
01:54:47,439 --> 01:54:50,960
done. For context, it's the
only band that he's has an Encyclopedia metallon

1775
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:55,680
page. So that was quite an
exciting pitch. You know. They released

1776
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:58,000
an album in twenty twenty. It
was rather short. It was just twenty

1777
01:54:58,039 --> 01:55:01,279
five minutes long, very hard core
minded in that kind of brevity in attack.

1778
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:04,600
But then the project went quiet,
and I guess it started to kind

1779
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:08,439
of slip to the back of our
minds and didn't know if we're gonna get

1780
01:55:08,439 --> 01:55:10,560
another one. But now they are
back, and not only are they back,

1781
01:55:10,600 --> 01:55:13,399
but they are back with an album
that has gained twenty four minutes on

1782
01:55:13,479 --> 01:55:16,840
that predecessor. This is a much
more feature length affair, and maybe I

1783
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:23,000
guess that's kind of linked. But
the first Umbravitai album, while generally well

1784
01:55:23,079 --> 01:55:25,920
received, I've noticed, has been
tinged with a little bit of kind of

1785
01:55:25,920 --> 01:55:28,680
disappointment with how people spoke about it
and like, oh, that don't quite

1786
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:30,640
live up to what I wanted it
to be this one, at least in

1787
01:55:30,720 --> 01:55:33,800
your kind of big magazines. The
reviews have been stronger. What are your

1788
01:55:33,840 --> 01:55:36,800
kind of thoughts there? I mean, like I like the first on retail

1789
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:39,680
because it just kind of like,
oh cool, this is what almost like

1790
01:55:40,319 --> 01:55:43,640
no pressure side projects, super group
wherever you want to label it, where

1791
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:46,680
it's just it felt like not not
to make the Parker Cannon pun. Yeah,

1792
01:55:47,279 --> 01:55:50,600
no, actually very good, very
good example. But that that thing

1793
01:55:50,680 --> 01:55:55,399
of Jacob Bannon getting to you know, cut loose outside of converge when he's

1794
01:55:55,399 --> 01:55:59,680
clearly clearly has an interest in definite
and then more extreme sounds. I mean,

1795
01:56:00,319 --> 01:56:01,479
you know, as extreme as hardcore
gets sonically. Let's be real,

1796
01:56:01,560 --> 01:56:04,359
like they are one of the most
violence having hardcore bands ever pure on the

1797
01:56:04,399 --> 01:56:09,079
son level, but him getting to
kind of like explore death metal with like

1798
01:56:09,199 --> 01:56:14,479
a bunch of very like skilled musicians. I dug that first record was it

1799
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:16,520
wasn't like it wasn' gonna change one, but I didn't expect it to wy.

1800
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:18,439
I kind of just thought it was
gonna be a fun, like cut

1801
01:56:18,479 --> 01:56:21,840
loose side project. So I was
fine with, Well that was, But

1802
01:56:21,960 --> 01:56:25,680
I can see how on this one
they have come back and it is more

1803
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:29,560
fully formed and it does feel a
bit more well realized. The ideas now

1804
01:56:30,159 --> 01:56:31,319
yeah, I agree with what you're
saying in the first record in that,

1805
01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:35,640
like the album was about the level
I would usually expect from a kind of

1806
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:40,359
supergroup side project that rarely equates to
like, hell yeah, this will be

1807
01:56:40,399 --> 01:56:42,600
as good as Converge, you know. Like, I didn't think it was

1808
01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:45,399
the standout death note a release of
its year or anything, but I enjoyed

1809
01:56:45,439 --> 01:56:47,479
it quite a lot. And you
know, I liked that got in and

1810
01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:50,479
out in a blast actually, and
a couple of tracks on it like kind

1811
01:56:50,479 --> 01:56:54,960
of the mad start of returning to
zero. They did stay around in my

1812
01:56:55,039 --> 01:57:00,399
head light of death. I am
mainly struck by how much more they have

1813
01:57:00,479 --> 01:57:04,319
decided to kind of like attach onto
the project because as a death metal album,

1814
01:57:04,439 --> 01:57:09,319
first of all, again I detected
this on the first record, but

1815
01:57:09,319 --> 01:57:15,520
it has this kind of rabid hardcore
inspired intensity. This has a different atmosphere

1816
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:18,560
around it than most death metal that
I might bring onto the show, right,

1817
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:21,840
I don't think Jake in it.
While he again he clearly likes death

1818
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:25,039
metal, has an interest in it, I don't think Jake Bannon has it

1819
01:57:25,119 --> 01:57:27,840
in him to write songs about zombies, you know, yeah, or like

1820
01:57:28,640 --> 01:57:31,720
particularly go for that kind of horror
movie, you know, death like atmosphere

1821
01:57:31,720 --> 01:57:36,079
of the crypt that a lot of
more typical and great for it, you

1822
01:57:36,119 --> 01:57:41,119
know, death metal typifies. Even
the cover art here, I wouldn't guess

1823
01:57:41,159 --> 01:57:44,399
that's the death metal album, you
know, I would guess metal core I

1824
01:57:44,479 --> 01:57:45,560
take a part on this, But
it has that kind of like slightly air

1825
01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:47,800
of class to it, Like,
yeah, it's got this kind of stark

1826
01:57:48,319 --> 01:57:54,279
ultra modernness about it that does feel
more like it's come from you know,

1827
01:57:54,399 --> 01:57:58,560
guys from the outside with a different
perspective, having a gu rather than you

1828
01:57:58,600 --> 01:58:00,239
know, someone who's like a you
know, died in the world, like

1829
01:58:00,279 --> 01:58:02,680
hell yeah, I'm gonna be in
fucking Witch Vomit or one of those bands,

1830
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:06,800
And that kind of translates to a
lot of the record in some surprising

1831
01:58:06,920 --> 01:58:12,720
ways. Uh. Leave of Absence
starts with these like escalating horror score strings,

1832
01:58:12,760 --> 01:58:15,199
but then it goes into this like
tight grinding, kind of dissonant and

1833
01:58:15,279 --> 01:58:18,439
it's got that kind of gleam to
it, but while being really scary.

1834
01:58:18,840 --> 01:58:20,920
And there's a breakdown in there as
well, where which is where you go,

1835
01:58:21,039 --> 01:58:25,159
Okay, yeah, like X Hate
Breed, the Red Cord types,

1836
01:58:25,239 --> 01:58:30,079
Yeah, that's where the riff thing
is kind of fundamentally in their minds more

1837
01:58:30,159 --> 01:58:32,920
than like Morbid Angel, you know. I mean even though when when the

1838
01:58:33,039 --> 01:58:36,439
riffs probably kick in on leave absence
and they're like, they're very stabby in

1839
01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:42,319
that kind of like discordant metalcore hardcore
kind of thing that I obviously am all

1840
01:58:42,359 --> 01:58:45,319
over, and you can see they're
trying to kind of like mix some kind

1841
01:58:45,319 --> 01:58:47,880
of like blast beats and other kind
of more typically death metal sounds. But

1842
01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:53,880
it does it does feel like this
is a hardcore band playing at death metal.

1843
01:58:53,960 --> 01:58:57,119
I do. I do sort of. I couldn't go like death cor

1844
01:58:57,239 --> 01:59:00,960
or anything like that, but you
can feel that's where the sort of feeling

1845
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:02,520
county they just I guess what it
is. They're trying to do that,

1846
01:59:02,600 --> 01:59:06,640
but make it darker and a bit
more. We can kind of like feel

1847
01:59:08,279 --> 01:59:11,000
more alarmed with death metal. But
you're right, it's not full of light

1848
01:59:11,600 --> 01:59:14,319
crawling out of the cripreaking of death. Yeah. I mean, there are,

1849
01:59:14,439 --> 01:59:16,600
like, unmistakably there are full on
death metal refs on it that would

1850
01:59:16,720 --> 01:59:20,640
you know, like belief of belief, crashing death metal riff that opens belief

1851
01:59:20,680 --> 01:59:25,399
of obsolstely it's wicked, yeah,
that's like, that's the kind of riff

1852
01:59:25,439 --> 01:59:28,560
that you don't hear at all on
say a converged record. So like hearing

1853
01:59:28,640 --> 01:59:30,600
jak against that is really cool and
really fresh. And again I love that

1854
01:59:30,680 --> 01:59:33,359
kind of twisting gurgling because I like
death metal. You know that's in there.

1855
01:59:33,880 --> 01:59:38,399
I think this record goes more from
the first record was maybe more that

1856
01:59:38,479 --> 01:59:44,039
kind of tribute to things that they
like. This has kind of evolved their

1857
01:59:44,119 --> 01:59:47,399
interpretation of it so that maybe there
are those slightly more idiosyncratic elements that don't

1858
01:59:47,399 --> 01:59:50,920
feel so death metal kind of coming
in and again like Belief is Obsolete,

1859
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:55,600
that's a pitstirra for sure, it's
catchy. It's got a suffocation breakdown part.

1860
01:59:55,760 --> 01:59:59,119
That's good stuff. I like that
same energy in clear Cutter, where

1861
01:59:59,119 --> 02:00:01,760
again it's got that kind of vocal
hooks assembled with a hardcore mindset. That

1862
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:04,760
group vocal of cut them down,
cut them down, but it's riding on

1863
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:10,119
like a death metal groove. But
again, those are basically the bits I

1864
02:00:10,279 --> 02:00:13,880
liked about the first album. Those
are the representations of that here. The

1865
02:00:13,960 --> 02:00:16,199
record ends up being like a lot
wider in scope than you would have kind

1866
02:00:16,199 --> 02:00:19,720
of envisioned from that first of all, I think there was a good variety

1867
02:00:19,920 --> 02:00:25,079
in just the heaviness. They've not
just kind of adopted one lane of like

1868
02:00:25,199 --> 02:00:29,039
a death metal or grindcore riff.
There's a few cases of like oh that

1869
02:00:29,239 --> 02:00:31,279
goes into a you know, a
particular feeling like I like the kind of

1870
02:00:32,039 --> 02:00:36,960
punky early nineties Napalm death riff in
Anti Spirit Machine, which has got a

1871
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:40,640
really good chorus as well, kind
of a stomper. And then Reality in

1872
02:00:40,680 --> 02:00:44,840
Retrograde is like a fifty five second
nasom song or something they jump around.

1873
02:00:44,880 --> 02:00:48,359
Twenty twenty Vision has this like vaguely
nostalgic metal core riff. It's like a

1874
02:00:48,399 --> 02:00:54,319
mix of integrity and the kind of
earlier rawer metallic hardcore flavored lamb of Gold

1875
02:00:54,479 --> 02:00:57,720
material, but just with a little
bit of a kind of bolt thorough filter

1876
02:00:57,880 --> 02:01:00,600
throwing it as well. And those
again you can feel those things coming together

1877
02:01:00,039 --> 02:01:03,960
just in the purely aggressive tracks.
Yeah, No, it doesn't like just

1878
02:01:04,039 --> 02:01:08,399
constantly do one thing like Anspeit Machine
that that is one where it's like I

1879
02:01:08,479 --> 02:01:12,319
didn't got you in with that the
name from death Thing that that's a grindcore

1880
02:01:12,399 --> 02:01:15,199
song just straight up isn't it?
Like they they they mix it around like

1881
02:01:15,720 --> 02:01:23,359
again clear cutter like kind of just
chugs along just like very violently, but

1882
02:01:23,439 --> 02:01:28,960
there are like other moms, they
will take turns into more dramatic, atmospheric

1883
02:01:29,039 --> 02:01:31,760
moves. So it like whether they're
just doing the purely heavy stuff and again

1884
02:01:31,840 --> 02:01:35,680
mixed up on that they this is
an album that sort of sits anywhere for

1885
02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:40,119
too long and has time to saw
gros Stelle. Yeah, but then there

1886
02:01:40,159 --> 02:01:45,880
are the elements that were completely unforeshadowed
from the first record where you start to

1887
02:01:45,479 --> 02:01:49,119
I started to think, oh,
like I'm not sure I entirely know what

1888
02:01:49,279 --> 02:01:51,960
the picture of this project is anymore, because it was sold as you know,

1889
02:01:53,119 --> 02:01:56,399
like death metal band, and now
it's kind of evolving into this like

1890
02:01:56,560 --> 02:02:00,399
different, experimental, less genre Confine
Beast more in the line of some of

1891
02:02:00,479 --> 02:02:03,399
more their main bands, Velvet Black, Black On. Basically, Yeah,

1892
02:02:03,479 --> 02:02:08,359
that's the one. Is it like
complete wild card? Like that is one

1893
02:02:08,399 --> 02:02:11,399
where it's it's for the first couple
of songs, Bannon's kind of sits in

1894
02:02:11,640 --> 02:02:15,600
one range of his vocals, like
and so I was gonna is he not

1895
02:02:15,800 --> 02:02:17,880
doing like the more like weird kind
of goggle screams and just kind of doing

1896
02:02:17,960 --> 02:02:20,600
that more sort of thing, and
then they were black. He goes into

1897
02:02:20,600 --> 02:02:26,840
this like droning, clean vocal and
like it it isn't like a definite song,

1898
02:02:26,880 --> 02:02:30,720
and then you get that final night
seconds that big rift drops and it

1899
02:02:30,840 --> 02:02:32,920
is like, oh cool, that's
where that patient build has been leading leading

1900
02:02:33,000 --> 02:02:35,720
us up to. But it is
it is a really different turn on the

1901
02:02:35,800 --> 02:02:40,960
record. Yeah, it's got this
like droning, kind of brooding guitar tone,

1902
02:02:42,079 --> 02:02:44,560
not miles off of it. I
think like some of the moodiest tracks

1903
02:02:44,600 --> 02:02:45,640
on stuff like I Am King,
that's kind of a bit of that in

1904
02:02:45,720 --> 02:02:51,439
it. But again, Jacob suddenly
adopts this like baritone goth croon and it's

1905
02:02:51,479 --> 02:02:54,640
one of the standout tracks on the
record. It's kind of a centerpiece for

1906
02:02:54,680 --> 02:02:56,880
it. But is a moment where
I go like, O get the creative

1907
02:02:56,960 --> 02:02:59,479
track for this band kind of feels
like it's been torn up a bit and

1908
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:01,239
now I'm like you, I don't
really know where this could go. And

1909
02:03:01,319 --> 02:03:05,479
I do think this record has a
slightly more collage like effects, like it's

1910
02:03:05,560 --> 02:03:10,000
kind of I found it harder to
pin down kind of a vibe of what

1911
02:03:10,079 --> 02:03:13,760
it's really trying to EVOKEE and Create. It's fifteen tracks long, and after

1912
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:15,600
Velvet Black, you kind of feel
like anything could sort of veer off anywhere.

1913
02:03:15,960 --> 02:03:20,960
It doesn't necessarily happen so dramatically until
Cause and Effect, which has like

1914
02:03:21,159 --> 02:03:27,159
classical guitar into this like very twisted, you know, not quite together or

1915
02:03:27,199 --> 02:03:31,319
write kind of sludge crawl, doomy
sort of yeah guitar harmony. But it

1916
02:03:31,479 --> 02:03:35,720
was a real like kind of you
know, they've introduced elements in there that

1917
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:40,600
I'm sort of like almost like on
edge waiting for where it could go.

1918
02:03:41,479 --> 02:03:45,520
Yeah, no, I think,
I mean, like that's why I quite

1919
02:03:45,560 --> 02:03:49,000
like about Sioniest was that it felt
like just then like kind of having the

1920
02:03:49,119 --> 02:03:53,800
core of like definitely being the kind
of like yugos of it, but then

1921
02:03:53,880 --> 02:03:58,000
feel like they can branch out and
experiment a little more of it and just

1922
02:03:58,119 --> 02:04:02,640
try some different things that like again
I mean Bannon doing the kind of goth

1923
02:04:03,079 --> 02:04:06,119
creon that like is on a lot
of twitching tongue things, feels like that's

1924
02:04:06,119 --> 02:04:10,159
almost like a meeting of that their
their kind of song, their sort of

1925
02:04:10,159 --> 02:04:14,319
projects coming together onto like Velvet Black, So it's it just feeling like the

1926
02:04:14,439 --> 02:04:17,079
sort of the poor of their own
projects got meeting on this. Yeah,

1927
02:04:17,479 --> 02:04:21,800
I think, you know, at
its kind of very high, highest level.

1928
02:04:23,520 --> 02:04:28,119
I don't think this is like as
dramatically better than Shadow of Life than

1929
02:04:28,359 --> 02:04:30,279
maybe some kind of areas of kind
of Lady to Believe. I think I

1930
02:04:30,960 --> 02:04:34,840
don't think they've gotten noticeably better at
writing death metal songs than they were like

1931
02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:38,159
four years ago. They were already
pretty good at that. I think it's

1932
02:04:38,199 --> 02:04:42,119
just this album does more, you
know, it has more different things to

1933
02:04:42,319 --> 02:04:44,560
offer. That kind of means it's
standing out a bit more for people,

1934
02:04:45,199 --> 02:04:46,720
and they are you know, they're
different experiences because, like I said,

1935
02:04:46,720 --> 02:04:49,279
I kind of liked that the first
album was so like a cut throat and

1936
02:04:49,319 --> 02:04:54,159
efficient like that thing just rips by
this album like almost doubling its length,

1937
02:04:54,239 --> 02:04:56,800
you know, fifteen tracks. I
think there are moments on this where I

1938
02:04:56,840 --> 02:04:58,680
look at the track it's like,
damn, how far out of this into

1939
02:04:58,720 --> 02:05:00,800
it? You know, it's kind
of introduced the room to do that.

1940
02:05:01,319 --> 02:05:03,359
I mean, some of those tracks
go by, like the Blink for a

1941
02:05:03,399 --> 02:05:06,399
Night to be fair, sure,
but I mean, you know, fifteen

1942
02:05:06,479 --> 02:05:12,520
songs, forty five minutes is noticeably
bigger than where they were like twenty five

1943
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:15,039
minutes. I think it's a little
top heavy. I think a track like

1944
02:05:15,079 --> 02:05:17,960
Cause and Effect, it feels like
it could reach a natural end there,

1945
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:20,880
and then there's like four more tracks. Although I do like that the album

1946
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:26,439
basically ends on a massive extended slam. But I think it's a fine record.

1947
02:05:26,479 --> 02:05:29,039
I think it's a bit more bloated
than the first one, but it

1948
02:05:29,159 --> 02:05:32,840
also has more variety and ambition,
I guess to counter at that, Yeah,

1949
02:05:33,039 --> 02:05:35,319
I think I think that's a fair
point. I mean, I really

1950
02:05:35,439 --> 02:05:39,760
like this again, just for how
the sort of different turns it takes,

1951
02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:43,199
where even at forty five minutes,
I didn't find myself kind of like looking

1952
02:05:43,199 --> 02:05:45,560
at the clock and wondering, like, because I saw it was fifteen tracks,

1953
02:05:45,600 --> 02:05:46,000
I thought, oh, that's going
to be a blot. But then

1954
02:05:46,039 --> 02:05:50,000
because the tracks I have ever moved
by really quickly or going really interesting directions,

1955
02:05:50,159 --> 02:05:55,600
I was totally on board with each
little turn it took. Yes,

1956
02:05:56,119 --> 02:06:00,800
next up we are moving into our
kind of black metal sege of the underground.

1957
02:06:00,079 --> 02:06:03,680
Unusually, I think that's the most
accessible and immediate of the bunch.

1958
02:06:04,119 --> 02:06:08,399
The populist pick this time. So
if that's pizzer interest, it comes from

1959
02:06:08,720 --> 02:06:14,439
Rotten Christ and their album is called
pro Christou Greek black metal's biggest ever band,

1960
02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:18,000
a legendary scene in the black metal
underground of the twentieth century, alongside

1961
02:06:18,159 --> 02:06:23,000
Norway or Brazil, as we've spoken
about in our Sepultury special. And with

1962
02:06:23,119 --> 02:06:26,960
that comparison, Rotten Christ are very
much the sepulturer of Greece. They are

1963
02:06:27,000 --> 02:06:30,640
the band who broke out and defined
it for the largest audience. There has

1964
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:36,960
always been a comparative cap on Rotting
Christ's achievable success because they are called Rotten

1965
02:06:38,079 --> 02:06:43,279
Christ. But if you look past
that and you know that uncompromising monika,

1966
02:06:43,399 --> 02:06:45,800
born of the kind of you know, confrontation of the nineties black metal scene,

1967
02:06:46,479 --> 02:06:49,880
it makes everyone think about them like
the final word in necro It's the

1968
02:06:49,880 --> 02:06:53,640
way people talk about like dying Fetus
for the death metal scene is oh yeah,

1969
02:06:53,680 --> 02:06:59,000
Rotting Christ. I have long said
now that Rotten Christ really have become

1970
02:06:59,159 --> 02:07:01,520
like black metal for a modern math
fans or you know, like anything from

1971
02:07:02,119 --> 02:07:06,840
arch Enemy to Behemoth to modern day
Creator to be bor Gear, like anything

1972
02:07:06,920 --> 02:07:13,399
that has that kind of crunching heavy
metal with an anthemic you know, knack

1973
02:07:13,520 --> 02:07:16,880
for like euro Melody, the band
rotten. Christ have been for like about

1974
02:07:16,960 --> 02:07:23,279
half their career at this stage is
one of the most like soaring, inspiring,

1975
02:07:24,239 --> 02:07:29,399
rousing on the extreme side heavy metal
bands on the planet. Sam as

1976
02:07:29,439 --> 02:07:32,520
someone who I imagine has been at
least in passing aware of their kind of

1977
02:07:32,600 --> 02:07:36,319
you know, most recent output is
that where you kind of put them as

1978
02:07:36,359 --> 02:07:41,119
well. Well, like I've never
really gone dimmore in Christ because I've got

1979
02:07:41,199 --> 02:07:44,840
bits of them, but I was
going, like I always have that,

1980
02:07:44,920 --> 02:07:46,039
like, oh they're ek and they
never memorials. Oh no, no they're

1981
02:07:46,079 --> 02:07:47,600
not. And then when I hit
plan on this, I had to kind

1982
02:07:47,600 --> 02:07:51,039
of like do that readjustment again.
Oh no, wait no what Christ?

1983
02:07:51,079 --> 02:07:56,279
Aren't that band that you keep thinking
they are the different? Yeah? This

1984
02:07:56,479 --> 02:08:01,159
took like this album took a moment
of adjustment for me to really actually kind

1985
02:08:01,159 --> 02:08:05,960
of wrap my head around and settle
into But when I did, melodically right

1986
02:08:07,640 --> 02:08:13,560
hark me, they're good, Like
like this isn't like blistering, like terrifying

1987
02:08:13,760 --> 02:08:18,199
black metal that like he's gonna like
rip your face off, He's gonna blast

1988
02:08:18,239 --> 02:08:24,640
all the time. The opening track
just sounds so imperious. It is huge.

1989
02:08:24,720 --> 02:08:28,720
It is like majestic, it's stomping
along. He's just kind of naming

1990
02:08:28,840 --> 02:08:33,880
demons and shit, I swear like, but like it is, this is

1991
02:08:33,960 --> 02:08:39,960
as like grand and like epic white
ross metal con sound without going fully symphonic

1992
02:08:39,039 --> 02:08:43,239
metal. To me, this is
like because it is like purely like kind

1993
02:08:43,239 --> 02:08:48,199
of blackened heavy metal whatever, but
sounds like the biggest widescreen thing you could

1994
02:08:48,199 --> 02:08:50,560
possibly imagine. Yeah, there's some
choirs and stuff in there, but essentially

1995
02:08:50,600 --> 02:08:56,279
what you're describing is what Rotten Christ
have made their like territory for the last

1996
02:08:56,359 --> 02:09:00,159
like number of years. That just
to go back to that kind of the

1997
02:09:00,199 --> 02:09:01,920
Greek black metal scene of the nineties, it's maybe something that you know,

1998
02:09:01,960 --> 02:09:05,199
maybe like we don't in Brazil.
We could talk about it a little bit

1999
02:09:05,239 --> 02:09:07,680
more at some point, but it
really it's straight away it developed its own

2000
02:09:07,800 --> 02:09:11,920
character away from like northern Europe,
and even back in the nineties when it

2001
02:09:13,159 --> 02:09:16,600
was like, you know, more
raw and more necro and more you know,

2002
02:09:16,840 --> 02:09:20,439
noticeably black metal, there was this
like slightly more like Man of War

2003
02:09:20,560 --> 02:09:24,720
based fist pumping metal sensibility to some
of it, with this kind of comparative

2004
02:09:24,880 --> 02:09:28,439
warmth in the guitars, you know, and if Norwegian black metal makes you

2005
02:09:28,479 --> 02:09:31,840
think of like vikings and church burnings. Greek black metal can be like hot

2006
02:09:31,960 --> 02:09:37,720
lights and spartans and like that is
so like yeah, all that surface level

2007
02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:41,640
mental imagery. And in the twenty
first century, Rotten Christ have taken that

2008
02:09:41,800 --> 02:09:43,840
kind of thing and like ran with
it. You look at the painting they've

2009
02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:48,399
used for the cover art on this
record, and they make music that feels

2010
02:09:48,439 --> 02:09:50,680
like a kind of an epic view
of the ancient world. Yeah, it

2011
02:09:50,680 --> 02:09:54,000
can be the sound like the original
God of War trilogy, like yeah,

2012
02:09:54,079 --> 02:09:58,600
and you don't kill zeus to this, like for sure, And they're at

2013
02:09:58,640 --> 02:10:01,680
a stage now where this is like
the sixth record that's kind of exploring this

2014
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:07,000
particular kind of feel. They remind
me a little bit of Catatonia, where

2015
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:09,960
they used to be quite a chameleonic
band. They evolved quite a lot over

2016
02:10:11,000 --> 02:10:13,600
the first bit of their career and
really refused to stay still and we're really

2017
02:10:13,680 --> 02:10:18,359
kind of creatively fearless band. And
now in the latter half of their career

2018
02:10:18,680 --> 02:10:22,239
they've settled into a groove and records
are more kind of different shades of the

2019
02:10:22,279 --> 02:10:24,399
same thing, kind of a similar
time frames Catatonia as well. They both

2020
02:10:24,640 --> 02:10:28,600
arrived at that sort of general theme
in the kind of mid to late noughties,

2021
02:10:28,239 --> 02:10:33,039
but also despite staying still a lot
more, they've produced like some of

2022
02:10:33,119 --> 02:10:37,880
the very best records in their career
exploring those things. I'm personally immensely fond

2023
02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:41,000
of their twenty ten's run, the
one that's in Greek and the following one

2024
02:10:41,079 --> 02:10:45,720
Rituals are among my favorite records,
And I thought, you know, it's

2025
02:10:45,720 --> 02:10:48,119
been a long time since we actually
reviewed a Rotten Christ record. On a

2026
02:10:48,199 --> 02:10:52,399
record like this, I think you
can sway a few more people to check

2027
02:10:52,439 --> 02:10:54,640
them out, and it'll be worth
it, because even by Rotten Christ standards,

2028
02:10:54,880 --> 02:11:00,359
this one feels like they've tried to
go huge, like to have the

2029
02:11:00,399 --> 02:11:05,000
Heretics basically again utilized a lot of
the same tools, but I think thematically

2030
02:11:05,039 --> 02:11:07,560
it had a slightly darker, occasionally
claustrophobic kind of feel to it. This

2031
02:11:07,720 --> 02:11:11,800
album. You know that mental scene
at the end of the last Indiana Jones

2032
02:11:11,840 --> 02:11:13,199
movie where he goes back in time, Yeah, and he's flying like a

2033
02:11:13,239 --> 02:11:16,039
World War two play and over like
the Siege of Syracuse, And it was

2034
02:11:16,079 --> 02:11:18,600
like the stupidest part of the movie, but it was also easily the most

2035
02:11:18,640 --> 02:11:22,840
fun part. This record makes me
feel like I'm doing that. Like this

2036
02:11:22,039 --> 02:11:26,720
thing has this like wonderful wide screen
you're standing before some great vista of some

2037
02:11:26,840 --> 02:11:31,079
great battle plays out the through line
to the record, where again they take

2038
02:11:31,079 --> 02:11:35,720
their up very very seriously. And
this record is about kind of ancient pagan

2039
02:11:35,920 --> 02:11:41,199
historical figures like across the world who
resisted the expansion of Christianity into their kingdoms.

2040
02:11:41,239 --> 02:11:46,760
And it's kind of atmospherically it has
this like pre biblical ancient feel.

2041
02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:52,079
But you mentioned that first track where
he's shouting out the names of Middle it

2042
02:11:52,600 --> 02:11:56,000
Hadesbalba, but it's like all like
the different cultures and places of the world

2043
02:11:56,039 --> 02:12:00,119
they're gonna like visit on the album
to come, you know. And it

2044
02:12:00,159 --> 02:12:05,000
has that like just like low end
drums reading you for battle fully war like

2045
02:12:05,479 --> 02:12:07,800
yeah, no, like the point
where I was like, oh this is

2046
02:12:07,920 --> 02:12:11,079
it feels like it could be quite
one temper of this album. But because

2047
02:12:11,079 --> 02:12:16,159
it's always so huge sounding, it's
constantly stirring something in you. And that's

2048
02:12:16,199 --> 02:12:20,560
even before you get to the lead
guitar. Basically like well, I was

2049
02:12:20,600 --> 02:12:24,439
gonna like I never found myself kind
of like getting like bored of how like

2050
02:12:26,079 --> 02:12:28,760
it can be a bit one pace, but because there is just a majesty

2051
02:12:28,920 --> 02:12:33,680
to the sound that they are conjuring
up, whether it's in the guitars that

2052
02:12:33,000 --> 02:12:37,760
like the vocals, which can be
again range from the kind of bit of

2053
02:12:37,760 --> 02:12:41,520
a black metal croak to full on
booming narration, it's always just commanding your

2054
02:12:41,560 --> 02:12:45,399
attention. Yeah, I mean you
mentioned sort of the one pace thing.

2055
02:12:45,600 --> 02:12:50,239
Rotten Christ have a very like,
very particular distinct style of riffing that they've

2056
02:12:50,279 --> 02:12:56,079
developed on these records, and they
are kind of it's very like simplesticks stripped

2057
02:12:56,159 --> 02:13:00,720
down to kind of the essentials kind
of riffing, and sometimes, you know,

2058
02:13:00,760 --> 02:13:03,399
they kind of get away with recycling
themselves at sometimes because it's very distinct

2059
02:13:03,600 --> 02:13:07,680
to them. Most songs will kind
of, you know, inhabit a particular

2060
02:13:07,880 --> 02:13:11,800
tempo for most of the whole thing. But again, the apostate of the

2061
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:15,840
first song, the riff just immediately
has this kind of like smack on every

2062
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:18,159
single beat that does not real gallop
to it, Like, yeah, it's

2063
02:13:18,439 --> 02:13:22,479
immediately kind of locks you in.
It sounds like a fucking like a troop

2064
02:13:22,520 --> 02:13:26,640
of infantry all beating their shields like
on every single pushing it forward, and

2065
02:13:26,800 --> 02:13:33,239
it's for me. They do these
you know, unbelievably simplified but irresistibly primal

2066
02:13:33,680 --> 02:13:39,039
kind of riffs like that, and
then they elevate that simplicity with these enormous

2067
02:13:39,199 --> 02:13:43,840
melodies, whether it's from the guitars
or you know, off these kind of

2068
02:13:43,880 --> 02:13:46,359
really big choral parts like it again, the Aposta again, but you've got

2069
02:13:46,399 --> 02:13:50,239
that kind of foundation and then suddenly
you're like off to the racers, but

2070
02:13:50,319 --> 02:13:56,960
these absolutely again. I hoped I
thought you would really like Rotten Christ because,

2071
02:13:56,279 --> 02:13:58,680
like I said, it's you know, On and Marf Modern Creator just

2072
02:14:00,279 --> 02:14:05,600
huge anthemic but like hard and heavy
but huge sounding heavy metal. I think

2073
02:14:05,640 --> 02:14:11,479
it's that's I think like if those
clean guitar parts or choral parts whatever weren't

2074
02:14:11,600 --> 02:14:15,079
so good, I would maybe think
you could find this a bit dull.

2075
02:14:16,039 --> 02:14:18,960
But because they're always coloring it like
with something interesting, and again, like

2076
02:14:20,119 --> 02:14:22,880
as simplistic as the riffs can be, they are, you're right, they

2077
02:14:22,920 --> 02:14:26,359
are regimented and hard hitting. That
combined with those apps like like I say,

2078
02:14:26,600 --> 02:14:31,520
genuinely like gorgeous guitar melodies that just
soar over this, it is just

2079
02:14:31,720 --> 02:14:37,640
a really like like just uplifting,
inspiring listening the way that you're right,

2080
02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:41,520
big, commanding heavy metal should be. Yeah, the guitar lines, because

2081
02:14:41,560 --> 02:14:46,600
they often based songs around, like
again, a single tempo, there's a

2082
02:14:46,680 --> 02:14:50,159
very like unobstructed quality to the guitar
lines. It's like they're just really let

2083
02:14:50,239 --> 02:14:56,680
those take the limelight, and there's
a very like intentional, elegant simplicity to

2084
02:14:56,800 --> 02:14:58,520
all of what they're doing, and
they repeat the melody, so they kind

2085
02:14:58,520 --> 02:15:01,920
of glue themselves in your head.
The main guitar Meldian like Father like Son

2086
02:15:03,319 --> 02:15:07,640
is so fucking huge again like sort
of like outdoorsy, like I feel that

2087
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:09,640
and like I hear that, and
my soul just kind of you know,

2088
02:15:11,159 --> 02:15:15,439
goes away with it. The Farewell
has this like really beautiful, repetitive,

2089
02:15:15,520 --> 02:15:20,199
kind of hypnotic gothy riff and then
to kind of again lock you into that

2090
02:15:20,319 --> 02:15:24,840
head nodding tempo gets bigger and wider. Vocally again, if you're used to

2091
02:15:24,920 --> 02:15:30,920
black metal having that very shrill,
off putting approach to delivery, that's not

2092
02:15:31,000 --> 02:15:35,680
really Rotten Christ's bag anymore. Instead, Sakis he does this thing that's very

2093
02:15:35,760 --> 02:15:39,600
hard for anyone to imitate because he
just kind of commandingly shouts and yells in

2094
02:15:39,680 --> 02:15:46,279
his own like immediately identifiable voice.
I mean, there's there's the odd little

2095
02:15:46,319 --> 02:15:48,399
bit of that more kind of short
black male vocal, but there's quite a

2096
02:15:48,439 --> 02:15:52,520
few different vocal proaches and those bits
where he's just shouting in that way.

2097
02:15:52,680 --> 02:15:56,840
Again, it is attention and like
again a lot of it is is in

2098
02:15:56,920 --> 02:16:01,560
Greek, so like that that again
kind of like adds like a cool feeling

2099
02:16:01,600 --> 02:16:03,880
to the atmosphere of like the stories
being told, even if like again no

2100
02:16:05,079 --> 02:16:09,119
entirely what the lyrics are, that
there is a like conviction and just like

2101
02:16:09,199 --> 02:16:13,479
sound, like like just a tone
to his delivery that makes it feel like

2102
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:18,239
you are listening to this wise elder
telling you these like like epic tales.

2103
02:16:18,439 --> 02:16:22,119
Yeah, they utilize spoken word as
well, and it's like you might as

2104
02:16:22,119 --> 02:16:26,079
well because your front man is Sakis
Tollis, who has again this like unbelievably

2105
02:16:26,199 --> 02:16:28,600
heavy Greek accent, and he just
has this insane level of gravitars. The

2106
02:16:28,800 --> 02:16:33,319
intro of the Sick Day is the
most Greek thing I've ever heard in my

2107
02:16:33,399 --> 02:16:37,879
life. He just goes on the
stick day, a created man rhyth kicks

2108
02:16:37,920 --> 02:16:41,440
in and it's like it's it's so
cheesy that no one else could get away

2109
02:16:41,479 --> 02:16:43,000
with it. But his voice,
like you say, it's so authentically sounds

2110
02:16:43,079 --> 02:16:46,639
like like a wise old king from
like myth or history or something. Yeah,

2111
02:16:48,159 --> 02:16:52,280
and even again there's some you know, quite memorable slightly broken English that

2112
02:16:52,399 --> 02:16:56,360
just makes it feel all the more
maximum European pretty world. Pretty diyes with

2113
02:16:56,520 --> 02:16:58,920
a massive tune, you know,
and there's a huge, like folky choir

2114
02:17:00,239 --> 02:17:03,520
singing that title. My favorite bit
is in Yigdrasil. There is this like

2115
02:17:05,040 --> 02:17:09,120
mental breakdown section where he goes wolf
time, wild time, act time,

2116
02:17:09,280 --> 02:17:15,200
sword time. It's like so fully
like chest beating one hundred in the spirit

2117
02:17:15,280 --> 02:17:18,000
of that song, but it's amazing, like, yeah, I know that's

2118
02:17:18,280 --> 02:17:22,159
that's a bit nonsense called, but
the conviction of the delivery is like,

2119
02:17:22,239 --> 02:17:26,120
yes, it is sword time,
it is wolf time, wild time.

2120
02:17:26,920 --> 02:17:31,239
And again I mentioned the farewell that
starts with that she is dead before like

2121
02:17:31,280 --> 02:17:33,680
the whole thinkings and it just that
it really puts you in the zone.

2122
02:17:35,440 --> 02:17:37,719
My favorite track on this record is
Le letter A del Diavolo, which uses

2123
02:17:37,799 --> 02:17:43,319
this wonderful again, the elegant basicness
of it kind of goes back and forth

2124
02:17:43,319 --> 02:17:46,920
between these verses, which is just
very like constant forward motion upwards and onwards,

2125
02:17:48,239 --> 02:17:50,719
uses a blast beep in that very
militaristic, regimented way, and then

2126
02:17:50,799 --> 02:17:54,159
the chorus opens up with That was
the one with the chorus, and that

2127
02:17:54,520 --> 02:17:58,719
really hit me and I was like, oh, Yeah. The choir in

2128
02:17:58,760 --> 02:18:01,639
the her Lulujah, it's so fucking
epic, you know. And the way

2129
02:18:01,719 --> 02:18:05,479
they use like female vocals and opera
singers often in the kind of the back

2130
02:18:05,559 --> 02:18:09,360
of the mix just going fucking feral
somewhere. It creates this incredible sense of

2131
02:18:09,440 --> 02:18:13,840
place and drama. And there's things
is it like the farae has this kind

2132
02:18:13,840 --> 02:18:18,920
of like droning sort of like thing
going on underneath the ristuy. It feels

2133
02:18:18,920 --> 02:18:20,600
like you've like throat singing going on
at points as well, and like all

2134
02:18:20,639 --> 02:18:24,200
of those little bits of just whatever
kind of backing vocal they decide to bring

2135
02:18:24,280 --> 02:18:28,399
in, right, it just adds
so much to the drama at any given

2136
02:18:28,479 --> 02:18:31,760
moment. Yeah, the closing track, Sirchia, there are so many like

2137
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:37,319
choirs and voices in there. It
feels like an entire civilization showing up to

2138
02:18:37,399 --> 02:18:41,319
belt hail freedom from the rooftops.
It's sensational, and again then that song

2139
02:18:41,520 --> 02:18:45,280
really has a very pure head in
that le gallop from there, which is

2140
02:18:45,360 --> 02:18:48,000
really nice. That feel was like
every song they've kind of added more voices

2141
02:18:48,079 --> 02:18:52,239
to the choir, and by then
we're on the closing track and they've got

2142
02:18:52,479 --> 02:18:58,239
everyone, like everyone that whole shout
freedom hook bit is like unbelievably huge,

2143
02:18:58,280 --> 02:19:00,760
and I'm just like God that that
Again. That's why I was like,

2144
02:19:00,840 --> 02:19:03,959
no, I could not like this, because they are just like that speaksman

2145
02:19:03,000 --> 02:19:05,559
and that we're all just like,
ah, this is what heavy metal is

2146
02:19:05,680 --> 02:19:11,479
like, really powerful, stirring moment
and so much like genuine heart and belief

2147
02:19:11,600 --> 02:19:15,239
in the sentiment they're kind putting across
there. And I can't imagine anyone who

2148
02:19:15,360 --> 02:19:20,799
likes heavy metal not on some deep
instinctive level kind of chining with these minute

2149
02:19:20,840 --> 02:19:24,840
melodies in the guitars and feeling,
you know, not being taken away by

2150
02:19:24,920 --> 02:19:26,159
this. That's why I like to
review Rotten Christ Records because I do feel

2151
02:19:26,239 --> 02:19:30,399
like there are so many people out
there who don't know that they like Rotten

2152
02:19:30,479 --> 02:19:33,520
Christ because they're a black metal band
called Rotten Christ. But you put it

2153
02:19:33,559 --> 02:19:35,520
in front of them, they'll be
like whoa, what the shit is this?

2154
02:19:35,680 --> 02:19:41,159
Because that there are some like more
like old school underground Rotenchrist fans who

2155
02:19:41,159 --> 02:19:43,120
at this stage I think are a
bit kind of tired of the band like

2156
02:19:43,159 --> 02:19:46,200
repeating themselves a bit and kind of
utilizing that simplistic approach so often. But

2157
02:19:46,319 --> 02:19:50,920
I think this is like one of, if not their most accessible record ever.

2158
02:19:52,239 --> 02:19:56,120
Like it's this one just feels so
designed to be like rousing and chest

2159
02:19:56,159 --> 02:20:01,600
beating and huge sounding, and that
they're so barely find by typical black metal

2160
02:20:01,639 --> 02:20:03,760
at this point. Let's be honest, if you don't like black metal at

2161
02:20:03,799 --> 02:20:05,920
all, but you just like Iron
Maiden and shit like that, you should

2162
02:20:05,959 --> 02:20:11,040
listen to this record. It's just
like quite you know, grandiose epic metal

2163
02:20:11,440 --> 02:20:15,639
of a really high quality. Yeah, I think that that is just it

2164
02:20:15,840 --> 02:20:18,239
is like I didn't even look at
this as a black metal album. Really,

2165
02:20:18,360 --> 02:20:24,920
this is just big, powerful,
epic heavy metal that is just bizarrely

2166
02:20:24,120 --> 02:20:30,440
catchy and really stirring. Yeah,
they're playing the Bloodstock main stage and these

2167
02:20:30,479 --> 02:20:33,280
songs gonna sound so good in the
sun, you know what I mean.

2168
02:20:33,200 --> 02:20:39,040
So that is pro Christy from Rotting
Christ. And we finish with Julie Christmas

2169
02:20:39,319 --> 02:20:43,920
and her album which has maybe my
favorite title of any album so far this

2170
02:20:43,040 --> 02:20:46,639
year apart maybe the Ulcerate one actually, but Ridiculous and full of Blood,

2171
02:20:48,559 --> 02:20:52,719
the July Christmas album she has in
the last well, I guess eight years

2172
02:20:52,799 --> 02:20:56,840
since it was a particular album came
out, it's kind of become a figure

2173
02:20:56,879 --> 02:20:58,719
that we all kind of know and
refer to if you're at all into things

2174
02:20:58,799 --> 02:21:03,000
like post metal or sludge metal,
post rock, et cetera. But sometimes

2175
02:21:03,040 --> 02:21:07,879
it's kind of hard to pin down
a specific starting point or I think she's

2176
02:21:07,000 --> 02:21:09,440
known for in her own right.
This is her new solo album, but

2177
02:21:09,440 --> 02:21:13,000
it's because her catalog has been scattered. To be a Judy Christmas fan,

2178
02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:16,159
you kind of have to spread yourself
over a few projects, which is why

2179
02:21:16,520 --> 02:21:22,840
when Mariner happened her collaborative effort with
Cottle Luna, it felt like she kind

2180
02:21:22,840 --> 02:21:26,399
of been around a while because she
had, but she suddenly broached this massive

2181
02:21:26,479 --> 02:21:30,920
new audience. And you know,
since then, I have become a big

2182
02:21:31,079 --> 02:21:35,520
fan of most things Judy Christmas related. But Marina was indeed my first kind

2183
02:21:35,559 --> 02:21:39,079
of exposure to her, in part
because she hadn't produced a massive quantity of

2184
02:21:39,159 --> 02:21:43,479
work in the few years preceding it. She tends to take quite a long

2185
02:21:43,520 --> 02:21:48,520
time to produce these records. Sam, you also kind of introduced to the

2186
02:21:48,600 --> 02:21:52,159
Christmas the first time through through Mariner. What's your kind of you know,

2187
02:21:52,479 --> 02:21:56,840
considering we both saw her live at
Damnation Festival last year as well, and

2188
02:21:56,920 --> 02:22:00,799
she was performing stuff from kind of
all over the catalog, what's your kind

2189
02:22:00,879 --> 02:22:03,319
of I guess, you know,
interpretation of Julie Christmas as a as a

2190
02:22:03,440 --> 02:22:07,559
kind of artist generally before we go
into you know, this record, well,

2191
02:22:07,600 --> 02:22:09,879
it's only going to suddenly go into
a marine. I cuddly found it

2192
02:22:09,000 --> 02:22:13,399
really hard to know where to go
next because it was there was no clear

2193
02:22:13,520 --> 02:22:16,159
kind of like this is the Julie
Christmas discogfree because're right, it was so

2194
02:22:16,360 --> 02:22:20,399
scattered, of course, all of
these various projects. So I was like

2195
02:22:22,120 --> 02:22:24,639
never kind of like settled in and
did a deep dive into anything because of

2196
02:22:24,680 --> 02:22:28,520
that, because it was like like
difficult, and I've caught bits and piece

2197
02:22:28,600 --> 02:22:31,200
of it, and then like I
was like I should find the time to,

2198
02:22:31,280 --> 02:22:33,079
you know, go back to the
first Yuchrist and kind of work way

2199
02:22:33,120 --> 02:22:35,479
through. But when it got to
a point where I was like I knew

2200
02:22:35,479 --> 02:22:37,440
this new album was coming. I
was like, right, this will be

2201
02:22:37,559 --> 02:22:41,600
a kind of like good part to
sort of centering on this and then really

2202
02:22:41,680 --> 02:22:45,600
start to branch out and explore every
part of Julie Christmas rather than the little

2203
02:22:45,639 --> 02:22:48,280
bits of each thing I've heard.
Yeah, and she's kind of just this

2204
02:22:50,079 --> 02:22:52,520
mad pixie queen of post metal who
is like everywhere and nowhere. She's become

2205
02:22:52,840 --> 02:22:58,000
known for this like unbelievable voice and
stage presence, but the material that she

2206
02:22:58,040 --> 02:23:01,600
actually produces is you know, sparse
and as I say, scattered across various

2207
02:23:01,639 --> 02:23:05,600
projects. Yeah. To get to
this point, her second solo album just

2208
02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:07,440
released under her own name. The
first one was The Bad Wife, was

2209
02:23:07,479 --> 02:23:11,040
released in twenty ten. So if
you are thinking, oh, I must

2210
02:23:11,040 --> 02:23:13,440
have missed the first one, because
it was for fucking forever ago, you

2211
02:23:13,479 --> 02:23:18,000
know she was. She fronted the
terrifying sludgy noise rock band made out of

2212
02:23:18,040 --> 02:23:22,120
babies back in the two thousands,
who Were Wicked. She then fronted the

2213
02:23:22,319 --> 02:23:26,319
post metal supergroup A Battle of Mice, who also released a record back in

2214
02:23:26,399 --> 02:23:30,120
the naughties. She kind of creatively
went quiet for a while. We re

2215
02:23:30,280 --> 02:23:33,239
emerged to a new generation and a
new audience with Mariner I guess, which

2216
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:37,680
unquestionably one of the best records of
twenty tens, like I think, one

2217
02:23:37,760 --> 02:23:41,319
of the true ten out of ten
that we will remember that decade for I

2218
02:23:41,399 --> 02:23:45,479
think, yeah, well again like
defining albums of that era for sure.

2219
02:23:48,639 --> 02:23:54,520
Yeah, it real one of like
the most significant artistic achievements in metal of

2220
02:23:54,600 --> 02:23:58,239
that particular decade. That collaboration with
Cool Luna has, I guess, to

2221
02:23:58,399 --> 02:24:01,959
some extent kind of informed what she's
done since because Johanna's person from Cottle Luna

2222
02:24:03,120 --> 02:24:05,639
has been playing in her life band
as we saw at Damnation Festival. He

2223
02:24:05,680 --> 02:24:09,239
also features on this record. The
gestation of this record has, you know,

2224
02:24:09,360 --> 02:24:11,639
formulated on its own kind of time
frame, because it's been so long

2225
02:24:11,719 --> 02:24:16,120
ago that she did anything else.
I don't think it bears too much thought

2226
02:24:16,159 --> 02:24:18,200
necessarily trying to pick like which of
her last products. This kind of sounds

2227
02:24:18,239 --> 02:24:22,760
most like. There are parts of
it that are reminiscent of Marina and will

2228
02:24:22,840 --> 02:24:24,559
kind of please people who craved a
bit more on that. There are parts

2229
02:24:24,600 --> 02:24:28,360
of it that are more akin to
her last Earlo record, The Bad Wife.

2230
02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:33,600
This is basically like if you only
know Judy Christmas from Mariner and you

2231
02:24:33,680 --> 02:24:35,680
don't know what her own music sounds
like. It's kind of a mixture of

2232
02:24:37,040 --> 02:24:41,879
like post metal and slightly more immediate
sludge noise rock. Because it is so

2233
02:24:43,280 --> 02:24:46,319
rare that we get a record with
her on I really save her getting to

2234
02:24:46,399 --> 02:24:50,239
hear her voice. She is one
of a kind, and there are some

2235
02:24:50,399 --> 02:24:52,440
fantastic songs on this where she gets
to you know, squirm away around them.

2236
02:24:54,040 --> 02:24:56,360
I mean, that's my thing with
this is that like I don't even

2237
02:24:56,360 --> 02:24:58,600
know how to kind of describe this
album. Is it feels like a real

2238
02:24:58,680 --> 02:25:03,920
kind of of a kind just experience
with this album because a as a vocalist,

2239
02:25:05,040 --> 02:25:09,440
she is quite unlike anyone else in
a lot of ways. But again,

2240
02:25:09,719 --> 02:25:13,399
sonically, it like like you don't
even know where it's gonna go because

2241
02:25:13,399 --> 02:25:16,719
it is is it noise, is
it postmail? Is it sludge? There's

2242
02:25:16,760 --> 02:25:20,440
even like bits of like industrial,
little touches of like I guess you could

2243
02:25:20,440 --> 02:25:22,959
say all rock on there, like
even like the odd kind of bit of

2244
02:25:24,040 --> 02:25:26,399
like one track has almost like synth
poppy kind of touches there is. It's

2245
02:25:26,440 --> 02:25:30,760
a really kind of vast sounding album, but the whole thing is just this

2246
02:25:31,639 --> 02:25:35,280
caked in this sense of unease and
darkness from the moment you hit play that

2247
02:25:35,600 --> 02:25:39,920
just makes this like, I really
like, I think this album is fucking

2248
02:25:39,920 --> 02:25:43,239
incredible, but it is an intense
listen. Yeah, I think it's kind

2249
02:25:43,239 --> 02:25:45,319
of a perfect reintroduction, to be
honest, because you know, if you

2250
02:25:45,399 --> 02:25:48,319
know Julie Christopher from Mariner, or
if you're just coming in now and you've

2251
02:25:48,319 --> 02:25:50,719
never heard her before, I don't
think you need to be all that familiar

2252
02:25:50,760 --> 02:25:54,319
with like all her prior work to
get this. I think there's something excellently

2253
02:25:54,520 --> 02:26:00,440
you know, fresh about this.
It's a forty two minute noisy record that

2254
02:26:00,559 --> 02:26:03,719
does take you to a number of
different terrains, a very kind of mercurial

2255
02:26:03,760 --> 02:26:07,639
sensibility to it. The first single, not Enough, opens with this like

2256
02:26:07,760 --> 02:26:11,079
amazing kind of clattering you know,
sticks on the edge of a snare drum

2257
02:26:11,200 --> 02:26:16,399
rim or something kind of spookiness and
this really inventive, like hooky, weirdo

2258
02:26:16,559 --> 02:26:20,479
guitar line. You're in such a
kind of strange space before Julie comes in,

2259
02:26:20,760 --> 02:26:26,879
and her voice is like one of
such a pure performer and I don't

2260
02:26:26,920 --> 02:26:28,680
mean that in a performative you know, fake put you on a character way,

2261
02:26:28,719 --> 02:26:33,760
but her delivery is all about the
personality that is crafted and carried across

2262
02:26:35,319 --> 02:26:37,879
rather than like following a strict rule
book of like this is how you know,

2263
02:26:39,239 --> 02:26:41,680
technically melodically this has to go.
Just as she is on stage on

2264
02:26:41,959 --> 02:26:48,959
record, she becomes this like unwavering
focal point of fixation. Yeah. Absolutely,

2265
02:26:48,959 --> 02:26:54,239
because again singing or screeching or like
doing that weird kind of like I

2266
02:26:54,280 --> 02:26:56,479
don't want to say like squeaky,
but like kind of like having almost like

2267
02:26:56,639 --> 02:27:01,840
childlike inflection to it. Everything.
It is so dialed up, but it

2268
02:27:01,879 --> 02:27:05,000
feels like it's kind of like just
naturally whatever's coming at her at that moment.

2269
02:27:05,079 --> 02:27:09,680
She's not like putting it on.
She's just she'll be singing and then

2270
02:27:09,719 --> 02:27:13,159
she'll just have to start screeching because
that's where the emotion has taken her at

2271
02:27:13,200 --> 02:27:18,319
that exact moment. So there's like
one of the songs where she's like singing

2272
02:27:18,440 --> 02:27:22,879
like the like she'll be singingly quiet
and then then she'll just start shrieking that

2273
02:27:22,879 --> 02:27:24,799
ound where the line is about screaming, and she'll just go with it.

2274
02:27:24,879 --> 02:27:30,079
But it could be cliche, but
it works so authentically because it feels just

2275
02:27:30,200 --> 02:27:33,920
like that's where the emotion took her
at that exact moment. Absolutely, she

2276
02:27:33,000 --> 02:27:37,360
definitely she kind of, you know, the the emotion of any given moment

2277
02:27:37,440 --> 02:27:39,200
dictates the flow of where she takes
her voice. I mean, over the

2278
02:27:39,239 --> 02:27:43,239
first minute of that first song,
it reaches this point where it kind of

2279
02:27:43,639 --> 02:27:46,239
you know, dissipates, and she
does this kind of you know, whispers,

2280
02:27:46,319 --> 02:27:48,719
this kind of I have not yet
begun to defile myself. That's the

2281
02:27:48,760 --> 02:27:50,879
one where again that I was like, okay, cool, right, we're

2282
02:27:50,920 --> 02:27:54,639
in and then instead of a next
line after that, she just kind of

2283
02:27:54,760 --> 02:27:58,680
hums, just gonna goes in this
very scary way, and it's like you've

2284
02:27:58,719 --> 02:28:03,200
walked into like the web of a
black widow or something that's kind of gearing

2285
02:28:03,280 --> 02:28:05,600
up to snack on you. She's
just endlessly compelling on this record, and

2286
02:28:05,719 --> 02:28:09,120
you know, you can just say
this is one of the best vocal performances

2287
02:28:09,159 --> 02:28:13,120
of twenty twenty four, particularly in
the extreme end, and you don't really

2288
02:28:13,159 --> 02:28:15,280
have to justify it that much,
like it's just kind of evident. She

2289
02:28:15,479 --> 02:28:20,639
is one of those completely idiosyncratic gods
of her art form, the way you

2290
02:28:20,680 --> 02:28:24,280
can always say about Mike Pattern or
like Mayor James Keenan or whatever. She

2291
02:28:24,479 --> 02:28:28,680
can elevate just about anything, but
also helps that she has here at her

2292
02:28:28,719 --> 02:28:35,000
disposal a really interesting, dynamic set
of tunes and it's still catchy. I

2293
02:28:35,040 --> 02:28:37,799
think this is the thing that might
surprise people. This record is like probably

2294
02:28:37,920 --> 02:28:43,959
more immediate and inaccessible than something like
Mariner because it's it's ten tracks long,

2295
02:28:43,280 --> 02:28:46,239
most of them four between kind of
three in about five and a half minutes,

2296
02:28:48,159 --> 02:28:52,000
and they follow, you know,
readily available song strutches at the time,

2297
02:28:52,319 --> 02:28:56,040
Julie and her fucked up kind of
way actually deliver some real choruses.

2298
02:28:56,280 --> 02:29:00,639
Supernatural has been stuck in my head. It's this kind of strange track,

2299
02:29:00,719 --> 02:29:07,079
but it anchors itself on a Supernatural
and it's like a very emotive release of

2300
02:29:07,200 --> 02:29:09,879
all those things that are swirling together
in that song. But it is catchy.

2301
02:29:09,360 --> 02:29:13,760
Yeah. I think something like Thin
skin Like feels like quite immediate,

2302
02:29:13,760 --> 02:29:16,360
compactive. Where again it's just kind
of like very all over the place,

2303
02:29:16,399 --> 02:29:20,079
but she is delivering like hooks and
just kind of like the album is built

2304
02:29:20,079 --> 02:29:24,319
on like what is me? Like? This album you could say it's avant

2305
02:29:24,360 --> 02:29:26,680
garde, but it's not. Again, it's not like a difficult listen like,

2306
02:29:26,959 --> 02:29:30,159
it's not an easy listen because it
is so dark, but it's not

2307
02:29:30,200 --> 02:29:33,639
one where I'm just like left kind
of scratching my head at song structures,

2308
02:29:33,719 --> 02:29:37,159
kind of wishing they would just settle
down and extends the hand for you to

2309
02:29:37,239 --> 02:29:39,799
kind of take it and enter it. Yeah, it lets you in on

2310
02:29:39,879 --> 02:29:41,479
the darkness and as long as you
can go along with the mood of the

2311
02:29:41,600 --> 02:29:48,000
record, it's not like sonically actually
an uncompromising, punishing listen. Yeah,

2312
02:29:48,280 --> 02:29:52,200
Texturally it's a very interesting record.
Her main collaborator over the years has been

2313
02:29:52,479 --> 02:29:56,520
John LaMacchia from the band Candiria,
but as well, Johanna's person involved,

2314
02:29:56,520 --> 02:29:58,559
you know, kind of in the
band on this one, I'm I'm interested

2315
02:29:58,600 --> 02:30:01,520
in how you might be. On
the composition front. They put together some

2316
02:30:01,799 --> 02:30:07,319
very you know, sonically enrapturing spaces
to explore together. The ash almost sounds

2317
02:30:07,360 --> 02:30:11,000
like a kind of like alien voice
or something as like the foundation for the

2318
02:30:11,040 --> 02:30:13,840
whole song. It's like the sound
of being made of lights might make you

2319
02:30:13,920 --> 02:30:18,200
know, it's weirdly hypnotic and beautiful, maybe more of like a heavy shoegaze

2320
02:30:18,239 --> 02:30:22,200
feel than the kind of all melt
you know, Nightmare Destruction on that one,

2321
02:30:22,920 --> 02:30:26,399
even in the way Julie kind of
layers her voice to create this kind

2322
02:30:26,399 --> 02:30:28,319
of cushion of voices around you,
you know. Yeah, No, the

2323
02:30:28,360 --> 02:30:33,399
ash is one where it's like like
that isolated start. It's hard not to

2324
02:30:33,440 --> 02:30:37,399
feel a little unsettled by it because
it's how unconventional it is. But why

2325
02:30:37,840 --> 02:30:41,719
like builds up on this there's like
she has like a weird and rambling tone,

2326
02:30:41,719 --> 02:30:43,719
but again it is, it's not
off putting. And the song,

2327
02:30:43,840 --> 02:30:48,479
like the drums kind of like collapsing
around the guitars that they're building, and

2328
02:30:48,959 --> 02:30:52,239
you got those like weird backing oohs
that are really ghostly. They're just coustantly

2329
02:30:52,239 --> 02:30:58,520
adding in textures that just make every
song feel so rewarding and interesting. Yeah,

2330
02:30:58,559 --> 02:31:00,639
and then you've got thin Skin,
which you meant which has more of

2331
02:31:00,639 --> 02:31:03,719
a kind of like a helmet or
like quicksand or something kind of noise rock.

2332
02:31:05,000 --> 02:31:07,559
Yeah, you know, riff and
it's a real you know, it's

2333
02:31:07,559 --> 02:31:09,520
a rocker, you know. Again, the bassis in the Bandish Assembled is

2334
02:31:09,559 --> 02:31:16,239
from Ken Mode and an unsane and
ironically thick bass groove on that, and

2335
02:31:16,319 --> 02:31:18,520
you've got the song blast towards the
end as well, which is like one

2336
02:31:18,559 --> 02:31:22,360
minute fifty nine seconds of this like
really like maddened, queasy, seasick noise

2337
02:31:22,440 --> 02:31:26,680
rock rhythm Blast is like the weirdest
one for me because it's like you've got

2338
02:31:26,760 --> 02:31:30,440
like panic chords going on, you've
got this like big sludge of it,

2339
02:31:30,559 --> 02:31:33,719
but then you've got that like that
thing. It is so again it just

2340
02:31:33,799 --> 02:31:37,159
sounds that they shouldn't go together,
and it does just make it like a

2341
02:31:37,319 --> 02:31:41,680
weird kind of unsetting thing. But
it is again this like really hard hitting

2342
02:31:41,840 --> 02:31:46,680
kind of sludge rock song at the
end of the record that like does kick

2343
02:31:46,760 --> 02:31:50,559
off, but it just has like
this childlike mocking thing going on at the

2344
02:31:50,600 --> 02:31:52,120
same time. Yeah, but I
think it's one thing that this does that

2345
02:31:52,239 --> 02:31:56,000
you know, quite a lot of
noise rock records, if you wanted to

2346
02:31:56,040 --> 02:31:58,879
call this that do not necessarily have. Is that really again that kind of

2347
02:32:01,879 --> 02:32:05,319
kind of the the immersive sort of
factor around the you know, more kind

2348
02:32:05,360 --> 02:32:11,000
of laid back stretches stuff like Silver
Dollars where she kind of delivers that childlike

2349
02:32:11,120 --> 02:32:15,840
wordless thing that she does, but
it chimes in with that really idiosyncratic sort

2350
02:32:15,840 --> 02:32:18,920
of key sound or whatever that is. It's so transportative and that that song

2351
02:32:20,000 --> 02:32:26,520
it has this kind of rage that
also dissipates into this like Haunted Mournfulness Kids

2352
02:32:26,600 --> 02:32:28,479
is a really brilliant one later on
as well, which is like it's one

2353
02:32:28,479 --> 02:32:31,079
of the shortest songs. It's under
three minutes and it's if you want to

2354
02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:33,479
hear what someone like Judy Christmas would
do with the song, that's like,

2355
02:32:33,760 --> 02:32:37,559
what the fuck do you even call
it? Like a punk lullaby or something

2356
02:32:37,680 --> 02:32:39,959
that's like it's music there. There
is that kind of like synth pop kind

2357
02:32:41,000 --> 02:32:43,639
of brightness to it, but it
is again just over this like you're right

2358
02:32:43,799 --> 02:32:48,520
punk lullaby where the vocals take on
that childlike tone again, it's it's like

2359
02:32:48,719 --> 02:32:52,120
could be quite twee, but the
way she does it is again just that

2360
02:32:52,280 --> 02:32:56,040
little bit unsettling. It's a really
cool again, just like completely one of

2361
02:32:56,079 --> 02:33:00,319
a kind on the album track.
Yeah, this happens on record like this

2362
02:33:00,399 --> 02:33:01,079
where you get a song and you
go, what the fuck is that?

2363
02:33:01,239 --> 02:33:03,479
Like how did they find that combination
of sounds? Like what you know,

2364
02:33:05,159 --> 02:33:07,520
what is that in the production to
create that? And that come to me

2365
02:33:07,600 --> 02:33:11,399
hook that she does against those like
instrumental melodies are just like other world and

2366
02:33:11,559 --> 02:33:13,840
again, it's like you're in a
kind of like an alien nursery or something.

2367
02:33:13,879 --> 02:33:18,319
It's so unique if you are a
Mariner fan, I think it's obviously

2368
02:33:18,479 --> 02:33:20,280
end of the world. That's really
gonna jump out the same piece of the

2369
02:33:20,319 --> 02:33:22,680
album, isn't it for a reason, Like, yeah, I guess you

2370
02:33:22,719 --> 02:33:26,959
know where Julie and johannas from Cottle
Luna they do vocals together once again.

2371
02:33:26,600 --> 02:33:31,040
But also you know he's just instrumentally, Wow, that track has some fucking

2372
02:33:31,399 --> 02:33:35,280
heft to it. It's got this
like gorgeous almost like a Western edge or

2373
02:33:35,319 --> 02:33:39,959
something at the beginning. And then
similarly to what we're saying about her voice,

2374
02:33:41,079 --> 02:33:43,719
the kind of whole thing moves with
the kind of ebb and flow of

2375
02:33:43,799 --> 02:33:46,520
her voice in intensity. So when
it's quiet, it's really delicate and beautiful.

2376
02:33:46,639 --> 02:33:52,079
But when it's roaring again, it's
got like an undeniably cult of Luna

2377
02:33:52,200 --> 02:33:56,559
sq guitar riff that kind of accompanies
Johannah's part, Julie hitting that main hook

2378
02:33:56,600 --> 02:33:58,000
of that just wanted to see you
again and again. Yeah, he's so

2379
02:33:58,399 --> 02:34:03,360
like Death Britain, fraught and emotional
and just fucking powerful. It's that and

2380
02:34:03,440 --> 02:34:07,760
it's when when the Jason's back at
the end and you've got the two of

2381
02:34:07,840 --> 02:34:11,840
them going at it against each other. It's just like it's hard not to

2382
02:34:11,879 --> 02:34:15,040
get swept on. I mean that
song, I think like Johannahs whenever he

2383
02:34:15,120 --> 02:34:16,479
comes in, he is like that
is the heaviest sound in the universe.

2384
02:34:16,639 --> 02:34:22,799
Like his vocal is like unbelievable.
He does. And the way they that

2385
02:34:22,920 --> 02:34:26,280
again they do let the music match
up to him and go to that really

2386
02:34:28,000 --> 02:34:31,639
earthy, heavy, guttural coldla sound. But again it's how they don't just

2387
02:34:31,680 --> 02:34:33,920
do that, and they let that
song then retreat back in and have the

2388
02:34:35,000 --> 02:34:39,840
moments of like delicacy and that that
light and shade. It's so like so

2389
02:34:41,120 --> 02:34:46,399
like beautifully arranged, and again like
that main hook is like just pause on

2390
02:34:46,479 --> 02:34:52,520
your emotions so hard. Yeah,
And there's the strange layer of keyboards or

2391
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choirs or something in and around her, which makes that chorus sound like it's

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being delivered in a tunnel of ghosts
or something. Sensational song the Lighthouse,

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as well as that kind of real
supreme slow burn kind of melancholy to it.

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It's it's so good. If you've
never heard anything of Juni, Christmas

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02:35:07,600 --> 02:35:11,239
is I think you just dive head
first into this one like it's It's incredibly

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immediate for a post metal record.
It's highly dynamic, it takes you to

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02:35:15,719 --> 02:35:20,120
a lot of territories. It's got
one of the like ten best heavy vocalists

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02:35:20,120 --> 02:35:22,399
on the planet being an absolute dynamo
over it. Yeah, no, I

2399
02:35:22,520 --> 02:35:28,479
think this is This is one of
those ams that like it is like having

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you want for this because it is
dark, challenge this thing. But like

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02:35:31,440 --> 02:35:35,399
again, I just found it to
be a pretty straightforward listening in a lot

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02:35:35,399 --> 02:35:37,680
of ways, which kind of condish
I saying about how like harsh and dark

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02:35:37,760 --> 02:35:41,280
it can be. But because of
how incredible her vocals are and how the

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02:35:41,399 --> 02:35:46,399
songs are written to be straightforward songs
in a lot of the cases that just

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02:35:46,559 --> 02:35:48,799
do interesting things. It's such a
like, right, it's such a perfect

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02:35:48,879 --> 02:35:52,440
jumping in point if you've gone you've
done Mariner, but you've never been sure

2407
02:35:52,440 --> 02:35:54,840
where to go next. This feels
like like again this one, I'm a

2408
02:35:54,840 --> 02:35:58,760
guy like like as a July because
Athm this is the first one I've listened

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02:35:58,799 --> 02:36:01,840
to in its entirety, and it
feels like I've got a much more rounded

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02:36:01,920 --> 02:36:05,399
picture of what she is now and
I can kind of branch the into those

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02:36:05,440 --> 02:36:09,799
other projects. Yeah, welcome back, Judy Christmas please again. Eight years

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since Mariner, fourteen years since the
last actual solo album. Hopefully this has

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a little bit more of a kind
of, you know, period of creative

2414
02:36:16,479 --> 02:36:22,040
bountifulness. This might begin ridiculous and
full of blood. We were going to

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02:36:22,079 --> 02:36:24,200
review the new Ulcerat album as well, but we're going to save that for

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02:36:24,280 --> 02:36:28,399
one when Win Elliott is back with
us. So that is it. Thank

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02:36:28,520 --> 02:36:31,040
you very much for being here with
us and listening. Let us know.

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02:36:31,680 --> 02:36:33,760
I guess you've probably already let us
know your thoughts on to bring me out

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02:36:33,879 --> 02:36:37,399
in the form of that little poll
I did, but everything else here like

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02:36:37,559 --> 02:36:41,440
let us know what you are vibing
with. Do check out some of these

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02:36:41,479 --> 02:36:45,639
acts if you've not heard them before, and we will be back with another

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02:36:45,760 --> 02:36:48,000
you know, bunch of cool stuff
in a few weeks with one of these

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02:36:48,200 --> 02:36:54,000
more immediately next week, Sam is
you know about to depart for the territories

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02:36:54,040 --> 02:36:58,879
of Manchester for Outbreak Festival, So
if that is where you are also going,

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02:36:58,040 --> 02:37:03,399
then have a love time. Next
week we will get the lowdown from

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that and uh, like I said, that's it, so thank you very

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02:37:07,360 --> 02:37:09,840
much for being with us. We'll
see you next time. Rest in peace,

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fifty shell shock and yeah bye bye