1 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:18,839 You're listening to the Panel UK Radio network and this is six Degrees of John 2 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:57,840 Keel. Hello and welcome to the six Degrees of John Kiel podcast. I'm 3 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,359 one of your hosts, Barbara Fisher. Today I am talking with Jason. 4 00:01:02,119 --> 00:01:07,719 He is the podcaster behind the Esoteric Book Club. Hello Jason, Hey, 5 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,159 Weirdos. Hey, how's it going going Pretty good? Well? Great, 6 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:18,680 so, fellow West Virginia weirdo. Even though I'm an expatriate, I expatriated 7 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:23,640 to Ohio, which isn't very far, but you know what else, the 8 00:01:23,719 --> 00:01:26,519 Ohio Valley. It's okay, yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly. I'm 9 00:01:26,519 --> 00:01:34,040 in the extended Ohio Valley region. So when did you start being interested in 10 00:01:34,079 --> 00:01:38,280 the weird weirdness in the weirdos and the things? Man, this is a 11 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,120 great story. It goes all the way back to when I was a child, 12 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:47,519 and as a child of the eighties, they had coloring books literally for 13 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:53,120 everything, and one of the things was, you know, cryptids and the 14 00:01:53,159 --> 00:01:57,799 paranormal, and I think actually UFOs was even one of them. And I 15 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,079 remember seeing the Flatwood's Monster in there, and granted the illustration for that was 16 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:08,439 nothing like braxy that we've got today, but it still piqued my interest. 17 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,680 Excellent. Yeah, I remember some of the UFO ones from the eighties, 18 00:02:13,759 --> 00:02:16,199 but by the time the eighties had rolled around, I was out of coloring 19 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:22,800 books, and because I was in high school in the eighties and you know, 20 00:02:23,319 --> 00:02:27,560 I was I was doing like my own drawings and stuff. So but 21 00:02:27,759 --> 00:02:32,960 I do remember seeing a UFO coloring book at the grocery store. So on 22 00:02:34,039 --> 00:02:40,479 the pind site, the Flatwood's Monster illustration was just terrible. It talked about 23 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:45,439 how they went up on the hill and the illustration was like a pitcher's mound, 24 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:53,120 and the illustration of Braxy was a hovering like floating reptilian oh, with 25 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,520 its tongue hanging out, but it was hovering like a Mazy's Day float. 26 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,000 Oh. Yeah, I was horrible. No, that's terrible. That's that's 27 00:03:02,319 --> 00:03:07,319 yeah. I don't like that at all. I don't like that at all. 28 00:03:08,439 --> 00:03:13,479 And you know, you're like the third person who said that their first 29 00:03:14,719 --> 00:03:19,680 big love was the Flatwoods Monster, and and that just makes me so happy 30 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:31,159 because it's it's one of the weirdest sort of shaped and colored entity creature UFO 31 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:37,199 thing, you know, whatever it is, you know, Robot ufo thing 32 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:43,360 hallucination. Well, I think that's what makes it work. Yeah. Yeah, 33 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,719 it's so unique that you can't forget that image. Yeah yeah, and 34 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:57,800 it's it's uh. I love that there were like these kids and one of 35 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,560 the moms went how many times do you hear about moms climate and the whole 36 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:06,000 idea of a picture's mound. People have not been to Braxton County the person 37 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:13,919 who drew that, because those hills are big, yes, super steep, 38 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,560 but she had. She went with the kids and they took flashlights, you 39 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:24,360 know, she was she was ready. And uh, but the but the 40 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:28,839 the fog. People tend to forget about the fog, the poisonous, bad 41 00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:32,879 smelling, whatever it was that made the dog sick and the people sick. 42 00:04:34,759 --> 00:04:40,360 I love that story, and uh, I think it's great that now we 43 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:47,040 have little you know, people are making these drawings and figurines and plushies of 44 00:04:47,079 --> 00:04:56,920 the Flatwoods Monster right along with Mothman, because again, it's just an iconic 45 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,560 image at this point. One of the things that really blew my mind about 46 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:06,959 the Flatwood's Monster specifically is, oddly enough, how much the Japanese are into 47 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:12,759 it. Yeah, and I have no idea why you can find toys with 48 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:17,720 braxy like scaled up to fight Godzilla. Oh wow, they are just obsessed 49 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:23,040 with that creature for some reason. Well, you know, the way that 50 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:30,600 our modern take on it has come, it kind of looks feminine because it 51 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,079 has that pinched in quote unquote waste whatever, you know, trunk whatever, 52 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,959 and then it has the flared out part that looks kind of like a skirt. 53 00:05:40,519 --> 00:05:46,399 It kind of has a little bit of the Dalek to it, like, 54 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:50,720 oh, you know that that whole hovering exterminate thing. You know, 55 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:58,800 it has glowing eyes because of course it does, and then that pointy hoodlike 56 00:05:58,959 --> 00:06:03,120 business on the top of the head, and it just has a compelling shape. 57 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:10,000 And I think that that's part of why the Japanese, you know, 58 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:15,040 latch onto it, because that particular sort of female shape. You can you 59 00:06:15,079 --> 00:06:19,720 can cutify, you can make it kawaii, or you can make it scary, 60 00:06:19,959 --> 00:06:27,800 and you can have that whole gamut of different shapes and sizes and everything, 61 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,279 and it's really cool. I think my favorite ones are the ones they 62 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,600 have in the museum, and they're like these transparent they almost look like gummy 63 00:06:35,639 --> 00:06:41,000 bears, but it's the Flatwood's monster. They're about three to four inches tall, 64 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,480 and their their eyes are bugging out. They've got beady little eyes, 65 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:47,079 and their mouths are open, and they have these peg like teeth. Oh 66 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:54,439 wow. And it minds me almost of Simpsons. Oh yeah, yeah when 67 00:06:54,439 --> 00:06:57,720 I went there. Yeah yeah, yeah. A few years ago, I 68 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:00,120 went to the big Foot Festival, which is in the same town, and 69 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,000 I made sure to take a picture of every single one of those that they 70 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:09,839 had in the display case. That's amazing. I just and it makes me 71 00:07:09,879 --> 00:07:15,519 happy because it's not like little towns in West Virginia have much reason for anybody 72 00:07:15,519 --> 00:07:20,360 to go there. Like, you know, if you fly over West Virginia, 73 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,639 I have told people this for decades, that there's parts of it that 74 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:28,879 looks like there's no people at all. Well, you know, most parts 75 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,959 of it there are no people at all. Yeah. I was like, 76 00:07:32,079 --> 00:07:35,319 but you know, there are towns down there in some of those places, 77 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,040 but you're not going to know it unless you fly over it at night, 78 00:07:39,439 --> 00:07:44,519 and even then there's probably not enough light to towel. Oh yeah, unless 79 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,279 you're coming in for a landing. And really there's places that are a no 80 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,399 fly zone, sort of like Green Bank observatory. Yeah, they don't even 81 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:58,040 have cell phones that whoo. Sorry about that. It was a computer making 82 00:07:58,079 --> 00:08:01,120 a noise there. That was weird. I didn't actually hear it, so 83 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:03,560 don't worry about it. Oh it's all in my headphones. Great, Oh 84 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:09,199 more fun. Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, Green Bank it's a no 85 00:08:09,319 --> 00:08:13,279 fly zone, so you're not going to get any airplane noise anything like that. 86 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,879 You're not going to hear cell phones going off because it's a dead zone. 87 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:24,600 Yeah, yeah, it's a dead is Uh what is the name of 88 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:30,959 it? Not Green Bank, but the old hotel that you know used to 89 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:37,120 have a bunker under it. Oh, Greenbriar, Yeah, Greenbrier. My 90 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:39,960 brain just went mi, you don't need that thought, goodbye. Time to 91 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:45,440 get something right. Yeah, it's Greenbriar. It's the Greenbrier Hotel and it 92 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:52,320 does have a bunker under it that was at one time to designated as a 93 00:08:52,360 --> 00:09:00,159 heidy hole for Congress in case of nuclear attack because it's it's within dry v 94 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:07,200 or helicopter distance of Washington, So that was one of the places where they 95 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,240 could run and then they could you know, restart the government quote unquote. 96 00:09:13,639 --> 00:09:16,000 Now they give tours of it. It was a big secret when I was 97 00:09:16,039 --> 00:09:18,919 growing up, except it wasn't because everybody knew about it. I mean West 98 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,720 Virginians knew. I don't know if anybody else knew about it and just never 99 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:26,279 asked us, but we knew about it because we all talked about it. 100 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:31,919 Well, it's kind of a funny story how that got revealed too. Jump 101 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:37,200 in. So there was a maid who was working at the hotel who accidentally 102 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,000 found this secret panel at one point, and I guess there was a protocol 103 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:45,360 in place, set up and ready to go where once it was discovered, 104 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:50,600 they had to gather all the employees together and they had a meeting and someone 105 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,639 rolled out one of those TVs on like the av cart, and they had 106 00:09:52,639 --> 00:09:58,919 a VHS tape plug it in and it revealed everything. Wow, because one 107 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,639 the secret was out. That was it. Yeah, yeah, well now 108 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:09,159 they now they have tours now that everybody knows. I cannot remember who it 109 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:13,879 was, Oh yeah it was. It was one of my chefs in culinary 110 00:10:13,879 --> 00:10:24,720 school had gone to the Greenbrier to judge a culinary contest and it was held 111 00:10:24,759 --> 00:10:28,639 there in the kitchens of the hotel, and he actually got to go on 112 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:33,320 the tour and he was. He was, you know, very thrilled that 113 00:10:33,399 --> 00:10:37,279 he got to go, And I said, oh, yeah, the thing 114 00:10:37,399 --> 00:10:41,240 that you know, West Virginians knew about, but nobody else did, you 115 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,799 know. But I think at one time that was a no fly zone as 116 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:50,440 well. You couldn't fly over it unless you were in the government. Honestly, 117 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,639 it wouldn't surprise me. So I, you know, I don't know 118 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:58,320 about that now because now that everybody knows where it is, they probably can't 119 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,080 use it for that anymore, but not for the government. But it is 120 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,399 still technically a fallout shelter, so it is functional. Yeah, oh yeah, 121 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:13,440 it's it's it's actually really well well put together and shield it and all 122 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:18,840 of that. It's pretty interesting. I got to go through on that tour 123 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:22,919 when I was in grad school. Oh cool. Yeah, it's really strange. 124 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:26,480 It looks like the best way to describe it. Have you ever been 125 00:11:26,639 --> 00:11:33,000 in like the access corridors to a mall or something like that, where it's 126 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:37,320 concrete that's all it is. It's just concrete walls, corridors, lots of 127 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:43,799 pipes and cables overhead. It's dimly lit. It's got those stereotypical light bulbs. 128 00:11:43,799 --> 00:11:48,879 Hanging from a wire above. I got to see the broadcast room for 129 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:56,799 President Nice, and it is surprising how fake that whole thing is. It's 130 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:03,240 it's almost like just posters hanging up on the background on a concrete wall. 131 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,360 And the clocks that you always see that have all the different time zones. 132 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,600 It's literally just battery operated clocks hanging on the wall with a little handmade plaque 133 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:18,720 underneath. Wow, it's really surprising how we see all these cinematic things on 134 00:12:18,759 --> 00:12:28,320 TV and it's very superficial, right right, Yeah, that's wow. I 135 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:30,919 love how you say, oh, it's fake. It's like the Turban show, 136 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:37,960 you know. Ooh, but the concrete corridors and the lights hanging I'm 137 00:12:37,039 --> 00:12:39,720 like, yeah, no, no need to spice that up, guys, 138 00:12:39,799 --> 00:12:45,000 No need to make that look somewhat homy No, because that's for that's that's 139 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,960 end of the world crap right there. And you don't need nice stuff for 140 00:12:48,039 --> 00:12:52,120 into the world. You just you know, just because the president of the 141 00:12:52,159 --> 00:12:54,559 free world is going to be staying there for extended periods of time. Yeah, 142 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:01,559 yeah, uh yeah. I've that's one of the West Virginia weirdnesses that 143 00:13:01,919 --> 00:13:05,679 I always loved, and it was always fun watching the X Files with my 144 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:13,840 husband who was from Florida, and his whole family lives and lived in Florida, 145 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,480 and they were big X Files fans too, So you know, every 146 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,480 time one of the one of the hidden places was in West Virginia, they'd 147 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,679 ask is that you know? Is that there is there one of those? 148 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,000 There is that? And I'm like, Okay, there are weird things in 149 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:37,919 West Virginia. We have very quiet little offices for Defense Logistics, which is 150 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:50,360 a branch of the intelligence agencies. We have uh like little tucked away places. 151 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:58,519 We now have the FBI fingerprinting files in Fairmont. I want to say, 152 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:03,840 I think it's between Fairmont and Clarksburg. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 153 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:09,399 the yeah, and and that's there. Uh but you know there are small 154 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:13,480 places. But do they do they look like that? No, because that's 155 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:18,639 Vancouver. Its Virginia doesn't look like Vancouver. Yeah. I think the Ice 156 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:24,120 Center went in after X Files though, yeah, yeah it did. They 157 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,159 had they went to Wheeling at one point. I believe, yes, And 158 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,360 uh, like you said, it's Vancouver because it was in a pine forest 159 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:35,039 or whatever. But I remember watching that getting all excited and I was like, 160 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,080 oh, that is that is not wheeling. They are not down in 161 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:43,240 a flood zone or anything. No. No. And then there was the 162 00:14:43,519 --> 00:14:46,720 I think it was the first X Files movie where part of it, or 163 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:52,919 maybe it was the second one, but one of them took part took place 164 00:14:52,039 --> 00:14:56,679 in part of West Virginia and it was this freaking prairie and I'm like, 165 00:14:56,720 --> 00:15:03,080 there is no part of West Virginia that there is. There is no place 166 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:09,440 it is that flat, nothing that there was nothing scraped by the glaciers there. 167 00:15:11,159 --> 00:15:15,360 Nothing was just flattened out, squished out. No, no, no, 168 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:20,159 no, they no. Couldn't you have at least put some matte paintings 169 00:15:20,159 --> 00:15:22,720 of you know, hills behind where you I mean, come on, And 170 00:15:22,720 --> 00:15:26,519 it would have been so easy to do that because a lot of our hills 171 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:30,960 are you know, they're at a distance, so it's still pretty faded and 172 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,360 blurry and hard to see. Yeah, you just have to have this impression 173 00:15:33,399 --> 00:15:37,879 of hills in the background. Yeah, but they didn't have any impressions of 174 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:41,399 any hills. It was it was flat out flat. And I just laughed 175 00:15:41,879 --> 00:15:46,600 so hard. I mean, who's gonna know besides people from West Virginia truly, 176 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:54,799 and even people who've just driven through kind of aren't necessarily gonna, you 177 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,639 know, remember that. They'll they'll think, well, there's got to be 178 00:15:56,679 --> 00:16:02,200 someplace here that's flat. Yeah yeah, I mean river valleys, yes, 179 00:16:02,679 --> 00:16:06,320 but that's it. Most people I know who drive through West Virginia I have 180 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:10,600 two comments of one is man, these roads are really bad, followed by 181 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:17,159 man, these roads are really twisty mm yeah, they go straight up in 182 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:25,080 down too. Yeah. Yeah. I think what what Tim Renner said once 183 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,159 was, you know, driving through West Virginia. He's like, you know, 184 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,960 I'm from I'm from hills and Pennsylvania. He's like, and we've got 185 00:16:32,039 --> 00:16:34,679 hills. He's like, but y'all do have mountains. He's like, there 186 00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:40,320 there's actually yeah, they don't look like the rocky mountains, but their mountains 187 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,440 and and they let you know. And I was like, oh, yeah, 188 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:53,399 yeah. Have you done any any exploration in the woods and the fields 189 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:59,720 of the West Virginia looking for anything strange on your own? I mean, 190 00:16:59,759 --> 00:17:03,160 I'm not going out howling for bigfoot or anything like that, but I do 191 00:17:03,319 --> 00:17:08,119 a good bit of just wilderness hiking, camping, stuff like that. It's 192 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,880 actually part of my job. I am an outdoor educator. Besides having my 193 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:18,440 podcast. So I take kids out in the woods and teach them to make 194 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:26,640 observations and observe their surroundings, watch for animals, watch for signs. I 195 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,599 taught a tracking class this past winter. Oh cool. Yeah, it's a 196 00:17:30,599 --> 00:17:33,640 lot of fun. Yeah, that does sound awesome, you know, and 197 00:17:33,799 --> 00:17:36,720 it's and it's not like the way you know, I got taught when I 198 00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:37,680 was a kid, which is, hey, it's wood's go in there, 199 00:17:37,759 --> 00:17:42,319 play, don't get too far, stay with the holler and distance, take 200 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:48,440 the docks pretty much. If if something rattles at you, don't, don't 201 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:53,039 touch it, right, Yeah, it's like love than we're I'm that I'm 202 00:17:53,079 --> 00:17:57,079 not at the elevation for rattlesnakes, but we still have to watch out anyway. 203 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:03,440 Yeah yeah, yeah, which man, snakes have been It's been wild 204 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:07,920 this year. I have seen way more snakes this summer than I have in 205 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:14,400 the past few years combined. That is interesting. And you're not the first 206 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:18,559 person I've heard say it. Lots of people in the Appalachian region has been 207 00:18:18,640 --> 00:18:23,079 like, what is it with the snakes and wondering if the mild winter didn't 208 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:26,799 have something to do with it. I was wondering that too, because that 209 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,759 was that was the explanation that I've jumped on with. And it's possible that 210 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:37,359 there's plenty of food for them also because of the mild winter, so you 211 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:45,400 know, there's there's more toads and you know s rats and yeah, I 212 00:18:45,519 --> 00:18:48,839 was actually just colting on this to the children the other day when we were 213 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,920 out in the woods. We've got a section of the property that has a 214 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:57,359 bunch of hickory trees on it, and there are so many little sapling hickories 215 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:02,200 coming up because the most just didn't need to dig up their cashes over the 216 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,720 winter. Yeah. Yeah, same around my house and the oak babies. 217 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:11,920 Oh yeah, we have lots and lots of chipmunks around you know where I 218 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,119 live in Athens, which is right next to the woods. We have woods 219 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:22,519 that literally just wind all through the town like everywhere, so we have these 220 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:27,640 green quarters that all of the wildlife you know, used to traverse through town 221 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:37,519 and that's cool. But we have all these chipmunks and usually they bury you 222 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:41,240 know, their food, and the and the squirrels bury everything and then they 223 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:45,759 dig it up. But this year I have so many baby oaks coming up 224 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:51,160 in my garden that, you know, because that's where they plant them. 225 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:53,519 And usually in the spring, you know, I get a few of them, 226 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,079 you know, and I just pull them up and toss them over the 227 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,680 fence into the woods and go, hey, if that town fruit hits the 228 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:03,000 dirt, there you go. You can you can go. It'll be great. 229 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:08,880 Yeah. But this year it was like thirty or forty of them, 230 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:14,759 and I have a small garden, so I was like, damn. So 231 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:18,759 like those little chipmunks must have been planting all of those and then didn't have 232 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:25,559 to eat any of them. Yeah, And I suspect we may be seeing 233 00:20:25,839 --> 00:20:30,400 signs of the opposite for this winter. There's a lot of fruit germinating on 234 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:36,039 the trees hmm. And there's a lot of acorns that have already started turning 235 00:20:36,079 --> 00:20:40,599 green and falling. I'm seeing a lot of indications that it might be if 236 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,480 not a bad winter, it might be early that could be in. At 237 00:20:45,559 --> 00:20:52,039 this point, there's very little ability to predict anything having to do with with 238 00:20:52,319 --> 00:20:57,599 weather. Oh yeah, but I do remember that last year. In the 239 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:04,200 fall here, usually the squirrels and the chipmunks go absolutely crazy with gathering things, 240 00:21:04,279 --> 00:21:08,640 and they'll fight over nuts and have these you know, all but pitched 241 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:14,319 battles on a field over it and they'll run in front of your cars to 242 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:18,759 get you know, black walnuts and whatever. And they didn't do that last 243 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:23,759 year. They didn't argue with each other over anything. They didn't like go 244 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:30,160 completely insane and you know, grab everything to be buried, you know, 245 00:21:30,319 --> 00:21:33,559 diving in front of cars, risking their lives. They didn't do any of 246 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:40,920 that. And then it turned out we had snow like two maybe three times, 247 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,319 and it wasn't negligible as far as as like sticking on the ground. 248 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:51,519 And this year we have so many ticks because of that. Yes, yeah, 249 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:56,440 they are terrible here too. Yeah. You know, I've almost petitioned 250 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:00,640 the mayor to say, hey, can we have guinea foul play if I 251 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,960 want? Yes, I want an entourage of them for every time I go 252 00:22:06,039 --> 00:22:07,599 outside, and you know, I'll figure out a way to put harnesses on 253 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,079 them, and you know they can walk with me and they can eat every 254 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:15,079 tick that is near me. I hate ticks, but they're not into it. 255 00:22:15,279 --> 00:22:21,000 So well, let's put a possum on a leash for you. I 256 00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:26,200 would love that eat ticks, but I know they're immune to uh to rabies 257 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:32,079 and all kinds of diseases. Yeah, don't get them. Yeah, yeah 258 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,839 there, and they're I'm one of the people who thinks they're cute. Most 259 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:40,960 people don't, but I do. Our family are are possum people. We 260 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,599 like possums. I don't mind them until a hiss at me. Well, 261 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,920 they're scary, but they really can't do anything with you know, they can 262 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,680 just look scary and sound scary and and and then they can't really do much 263 00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:59,519 to back that up. They're not like, uh, they're not like cats 264 00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:03,079 that way, you know, no bobcats. You know, they hiss and 265 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,240 yew and it's like, Okay, I'm done done, Sorry, my bad, 266 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:15,680 I'm going to back away slowly. So have you run across anything weird 267 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:22,920 in the woods besides hissing possums. I've run across a bunch of just weird 268 00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:27,880 stuff throughout my entire life. I'm sure Vouk has told you the Bigfoot story, 269 00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:30,400 or at least that I have a big foot story. He said you 270 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:36,799 had one, that's all he said. He's very helpful this way. He's 271 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,880 my intelligence gathering arm of my organization. And I need to pay him more 272 00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:45,559 because you know, he'll say things like, oh he saw a big foot 273 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:51,160 and boom, that's it. Okay, yeah, yeah, Well I also 274 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,799 alluded to it in the chat that we had going and it was I honestly, 275 00:23:55,839 --> 00:23:59,240 at this point, I don't even recall what year it was. It 276 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,279 was. I'd say early two thousands based on like where I was living at 277 00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:11,000 the time and all that. And it was during hunting season and specifically rifle 278 00:24:11,039 --> 00:24:15,079 season, and I was on a power line on a hillside. So I 279 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:18,799 was at the top of the hill looking down watching for deer crossing, and 280 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,720 the people I was with they were doing a deer drive, walking through the 281 00:24:23,759 --> 00:24:27,599 woods in the direction of the power line, trying to push them towards me. 282 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,880 Absolutely nothing came out, but at some point I did see a figure 283 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:41,039 standing on the woodline, kind of hidden in the shadows. Now, it's 284 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,240 rifle season, so you have to have a certain amount of blaze orange on 285 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,559 so that you don't get shot. Right. This thing was solid black. 286 00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:55,279 And I'm not talking you know, black clothing. I'm talking the entire face. 287 00:24:55,680 --> 00:25:00,640 Everything was shrouded in black. And this was around dusk, and I 288 00:25:00,759 --> 00:25:03,079 sat there and it was far enough away that I could see that it was 289 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,200 clearly a figure, and I ended up looking through the scope of my rifle 290 00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:11,680 to see what it possibly was, and I couldn't make out any any real 291 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:17,160 details. And I just sat there watching it for so long, and this 292 00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:23,079 thing was just motionless. I feel like it was just watching me as much 293 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:29,880 as I was watching it. And at some point it just turned and walked 294 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,279 right back into the woods. Hmm. I've had a lot of people suggest 295 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,920 that it was a black bear, which, yes, there are black bear 296 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,759 in this area. But if you ever see a black bear standing on its 297 00:25:40,799 --> 00:25:44,680 hind legs, they don't do it for that long. Well, they don't 298 00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:48,319 do that for that, They don't do it for that long. But they 299 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:55,119 also can't really pivot. No they can't. They don't have the swivel. 300 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,240 No, their hips don't allow it. No, no, they Yeah, 301 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:06,519 their construction is not meant for standing upright. It's it's it's okay to stand 302 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:11,799 upright for a little bit. But it doesn't walk upright all the time they 303 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:18,200 wig humanoids do. It's a bear, you know, it's meant to be 304 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:22,799 able to pop up and look around and then you know, go back down 305 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,200 and run fast. Right. Yeah, And it does not have the hippie 306 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:33,920 swivel capability at all. Yeah. When everyone else showed up to pick me 307 00:26:33,039 --> 00:26:37,079 up to driving back home, he said, oh, did you see anything? 308 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,400 Nope, time to got get out of here. There was not any 309 00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,279 dear new it's time to leave. I honestly I did not talk about it 310 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:51,759 for probably three to four years. I did not tell anybody. I believe 311 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:56,000 that for sure. For sure. I've heard enough people with their sightings that 312 00:26:56,079 --> 00:27:02,599 they're just like no. I feel like that was a really big turning point 313 00:27:02,759 --> 00:27:04,839 for me, because even leading up to that, I would say, yeah, 314 00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:07,559 sure I believe in Bigfoot. Yeah, yeah, he's probably out there 315 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:12,359 somewhere. But then you see it and it's just, you know, there's 316 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:21,920 that certainty that it's almost painful, like it's it's a shock to the system 317 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,920 that yeah, there it is. Yeah. Just it's a confirmation that you 318 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,880 can't really be prepared for until it happens. Yeah. So why do you 319 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:41,720 think he looked so featureless to you, like you couldn't get detail through the 320 00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:45,519 scope? Well he was. He was fairly far away, probably about one 321 00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:49,480 hundred yards, and my scope was it's good scope, but it's not you 322 00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:53,680 know, a telescopic scope. Right, it's you're not a sniper, no, 323 00:27:55,079 --> 00:28:00,960 no, okay, But he was partially in shadows, first of all. 324 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:03,960 And I'm saying he just because I again had no features. I have 325 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:14,000 no clue what to base his possible gender on. But it was certain animals 326 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,839 there. For one, you get into any amount of shadow, it just 327 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:23,720 turns black and it absorbs light as much as anything else, and it seems 328 00:28:23,799 --> 00:28:30,000 like that may have been what was going on. Yeah, and if he's 329 00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:33,480 an animal, and it was like, if this is a physical, tangible 330 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:37,799 thing, it's going to have to be camouflaged in order to live in the 331 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:45,519 woods without being detected. So that's just a natural adaptation I would assume. 332 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,440 Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of people who have seen them in the 333 00:28:52,519 --> 00:29:02,400 clearings for electrical lines and that behave You're of coming to the edge and stopping 334 00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:10,319 and watching. Is that's I don't know how many stories I've read and heard 335 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:15,079 where people say and then it stopped, and then it stood there, and 336 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,720 then it watched and I felt like it was watching me. And that's the 337 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,839 typical behavior for any animal that's crossing a power line. Oh yeah, yeah, 338 00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:33,640 especially if they're intelligent. And yeah, that's I do know that feeling 339 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:40,480 of that sort of I guess it's ontological shock. It's like you may know 340 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:51,359 that there are quote unquote big hairy man things in the woods, but it's 341 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:56,920 not the same as actually knowing right it. It hits with a with a 342 00:29:57,119 --> 00:30:03,920 visceral, almost violent shocked the stomach. To me, it hits in the 343 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:10,240 stomach and then you get this kind of queasy feeling of oh oh, no, 344 00:30:11,599 --> 00:30:17,599 oh no. And I didn't have that with with Bigfoot. I had 345 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,640 it with the first time I saw a solid looking UFO, and then I 346 00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:26,400 had it again when I watched one of the little weird lights in the woods 347 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,640 come up close, turn into a little fairy and then fly away. I 348 00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:33,799 didn't like either of those. Uh, and that are you talking about the 349 00:30:33,319 --> 00:30:37,640 red bird? Yes, where my mom sees the bird and it's like, 350 00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:41,240 oh, it's a bird, and I'm like looking at it, going on, 351 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:45,839 I don't say no bird, m And I couldn't talk to her for 352 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,519 the longest time after, you know, the whole thing was over, and 353 00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:55,079 I just couldn't, you know, for a little bit, even speak coherently. 354 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,359 And you know, she just kept going on about the bird as we 355 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,720 walked along you know, where'd it go? I don't And I was just 356 00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:03,720 like, it wasn't a bird, It didn't go anywhere. There was no 357 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:08,319 bird. Yeah, I know, so well, you know, why didn't 358 00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:11,519 you see the But I can't believe he didn't see the bird. It's it 359 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,039 was bright red. Oh well, I'm sorry, Ma, I didn't see 360 00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,960 it. I just didn't see it. But I have not seen Bigfoot, 361 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:22,920 but I have heard something that we took to be Bigfoot, and it sounded 362 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:30,759 like Bigfoot recordings that were on the internet. So that was I have to 363 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:37,119 admit that I was briefly stupid and thought of walking into the woods toward it 364 00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:45,240 because I so wanted to see what was making that racket. But I didn't 365 00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:52,000 my dog that I had gone out to, you know, bring into the 366 00:31:52,119 --> 00:32:00,680 house because she was like, I don't know her her doghouse was maybe thirty 367 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,200 feet from the woods. And then whatever it was was running back and forth 368 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:10,039 and thrashing about and shaking you know, young trees and hollering and hooping and 369 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:17,519 just sounding awful, was only like thirty feet past that man, and she 370 00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:23,160 was terrified. And this dog feared no animal, no animal. She didn't 371 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:28,119 like people. She was afraid of people except for my husband and I and 372 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,480 MORGANA. She she was afraid of, you know, all people, but 373 00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:40,119 but animals like deer, horses, big dogs, coyotes. She didn't didn't 374 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:46,039 care snakes, she feared nothing like that. But whatever was out there she 375 00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:51,720 was terrified by. She she just she was having none of it. She 376 00:32:51,720 --> 00:33:00,000 wouldn't look toward it. She wouldn't even like when I started to step toward 377 00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:04,920 it with my hand on her collar after I had unlatched her, she just 378 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:10,039 she just froze. She just refused to go toward the woods. And then 379 00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:13,359 I was like, Okay, yeah, you're right, this is stupid. 380 00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:20,799 I have an X file special uh flashlight that's not working very well. Uh 381 00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,000 and uh, if you're that scared of it, then I should probably be 382 00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:28,039 scared of it too. So yeah, okay, let's go in the house. 383 00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:31,759 Then the other dog wouldn't look at it either, and wow, Yeah, 384 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:37,119 Lirial was afraid of nothing. She loved everything except little tiny dogs. 385 00:33:37,119 --> 00:33:42,359 She didn't like them, but she loved people, she loved animals, and 386 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,400 she just would keep her head turned and wouldn't look at it. And we 387 00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:51,599 heard it from inside. We we were you know, you know, waiting 388 00:33:52,039 --> 00:33:55,559 for the beans and race I was making to be finished, and we heard 389 00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:59,000 this howl and we both thought it was our dogs and we were like, 390 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,279 what are they all in at now? Because they were huskies, so you 391 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:07,960 know, they would they would sing to the coyotes and stuff. And I 392 00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:09,679 was like, I bet the coyotes are out again, and you know, 393 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,360 went outside and just stopped and I was like, oh, Zack, it's 394 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:21,079 not coyotes. And he came out and he was like, what the hell 395 00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:28,599 is that? And you know, we stood on the porch listening and looked 396 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:32,840 at at you know, Lerial that that was the one that was you know, 397 00:34:34,119 --> 00:34:37,920 her doghouse was near the porch and she just was not looking at it 398 00:34:38,039 --> 00:34:42,920 and not having it. But you know, and I was like, well 399 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,320 we should bring Nan in. That was the one closer to the woods. 400 00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:50,480 And Zack said, I'm not going to go get her. I said, 401 00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,960 I tell you what, Go get the phone and go ahead and dial nine 402 00:34:54,119 --> 00:35:00,760 one and put your finger over the green button to make it dial, and 403 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:05,199 I'll go get the dog. And so, you know, I went slowly 404 00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:10,320 and quietly, and you know, got close founder hidden sheet she had hid 405 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:15,159 herself behind the heat pump, between the heat pump and the house and this 406 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,559 little, tiny narrow Yeah, she was having none of him. She did 407 00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:23,639 not like it at all. She was terrified and she was shaking. So, 408 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,199 you know, I get out there and I'm petting her, and I'm 409 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,039 you know, i'd pop my head up and look and try to see. 410 00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:36,880 And it was so close. I could literally watch the path of it running 411 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,320 back and forth, by the way the undergrowth and the young trees shook, 412 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,119 and it was just and the feet it was. It was not a four 413 00:35:45,199 --> 00:35:50,039 footed cadence. It was a two footed cadence. And it was big. 414 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:57,159 Whatever it was was big. And the sound that's what got Zack. The 415 00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,039 sound, because of course he's a musician and he was, you know, 416 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:07,760 recording music at the time, so he listened very carefully to the sound in 417 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:14,920 between going would you hurry up because I don't want to stand here anymore. 418 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:23,519 He said that you could hear the resonance from a very big body, like 419 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:30,039 whatever made the sound had a very large chest to make that kind of resonance. 420 00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:35,639 And so yeah, I did grab the dog and you know, ran 421 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,320 back to the porch and he grabbed the other dog, and we all went 422 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:44,400 in the house and it still kept going for a while, and it got 423 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,360 to the point where it was kind of like we just wanted to cover our 424 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:52,039 ears. The dogs went into the basement. They were having none of this 425 00:36:52,199 --> 00:37:00,880 above ground where we can hear it thing. And when it stopped, we 426 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,320 tried to eat dinner. We couldn't, so to hell with the beans and 427 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,559 rice. We're done with that now. And he we started looking up every 428 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:14,760 animal that we could think of and their sounds, and listening to sound files. 429 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,880 And you know, I listened to black bears. I went ahead and 430 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,760 listened to grizzly bears, even though I knew that we don't have those in 431 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:30,880 Ohio. I listened to elkin. Of course they have the silly whistling noise. 432 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:38,559 I listened to white tailed bucks, white tailed does. I listened to 433 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,400 wild boar. I listened to Ferrell hogs. I mean, I just every 434 00:37:46,639 --> 00:37:52,480 damn thing I could think of. Cougars, even though we're not supposed to 435 00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:58,159 have them. I listened lions because I do know at that time, crazy 436 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:02,119 people kept you know, many azures in Ohio because it was legal to do 437 00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:07,199 so, you know, So I started looking up African animals, you know. 438 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:09,920 I look at it. And then finally, from upstairs, I can 439 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:16,280 hear Zach's doing the same thing. And he had his monitor speakers from recording 440 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:22,519 and he found a sound file and played it and it was the sound and 441 00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:25,800 I was like, that that's it. That's it, Zach, that's it. 442 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:31,119 What is it? He's a big foot? That is a f you 443 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,840 know it isn't you know, because of course I was thinking that when I 444 00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,800 was outside. But I was like, nah, you're just crazy. Yeah, 445 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,760 that's not what it is. And he said, Nope, that's what 446 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,320 it is. I'm like, it's a moose, right, it's a moose. 447 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,320 Somebody had a moose. He's like, no, it's big foot. 448 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:52,599 And it was actually one of Matt Moneymakers recordings from Ohio. Oh interesting, 449 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:58,239 yeah, and i'd I was like, okay, it was bigfoot. Then 450 00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:02,199 that I was like, okay, now I have to eat because I need 451 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:08,599 something to ground my skull. After that, oh god. And the worst 452 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:14,639 part was and the reason that I was like, it's not bigfoot was because 453 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,760 a friend of mine and his wife had been visiting that evening, which is 454 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:23,039 why we were eating dinner at like midnight. Because you know, they hadn't 455 00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:25,960 left and they had already eaten, so we just, you know, we 456 00:39:27,039 --> 00:39:30,480 were polite and didn't eat. But he had said something, now that we're 457 00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:35,840 all in West Virginia or in Ohio again, and we're all close to West 458 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,920 Virginia, you and I and Tom will have to get together and go big 459 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,599 foot hunting and go out into the woods. And he's like, I got 460 00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:51,159 a new camera. It's great. He's a videographer. He's like, and 461 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:55,440 we can just go and uh, you know, Tom is like wilderness guy, 462 00:39:55,679 --> 00:39:59,960 so you know, we won't like, you know, starve or anything. 463 00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:01,440 And I said, well, what am I going to be doing? 464 00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:05,840 And he's like, oh, you're just the bait, you know, because 465 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,519 you're the weird You're the weirdest magnets. So you just you just you just 466 00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:12,800 go along. And I was like hmm. Then after he left, then 467 00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:15,159 all this noise started happening, and I was just like, my brain was 468 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:19,719 like, it is not bigfoot because he just talked about that and that's not 469 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,760 right. Yeah. I was like, I don't want to believe that we 470 00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:30,079 conjured that mess up. I don't know. And so for years when i'd 471 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:34,760 tell that story, I wouldn't tell that part of it. Then we had 472 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,639 just talked about it. Okay, So what time of year was this? 473 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:52,199 It was early spring enough that there was leaves, but they weren't super super 474 00:40:52,280 --> 00:41:00,440 big, but there were leaves, okay. And follow up question, were 475 00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:10,400 there any major life events going on for you at this time? It was 476 00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:17,840 before It was fairly soon before I had a miscarriage. M hmm. Yeah, 477 00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,400 yeah, And I wondered that, like, it wasn't that long ago. 478 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,400 When I thought about it, I was like, you know, when 479 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,440 did the miscarriage happen? Was it before that or after that? And it 480 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:37,920 turns out after I looked at dates and looked at calendars and you know, 481 00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:45,199 looked at at journal entries, it was after that. Hmm. I don't 482 00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:47,960 really have any direction to go with that. It was just mostly I remember 483 00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:52,039 hearing it's a very keeyan thing to find out what else is going on, 484 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:59,639 And I remember like Joshua Cutchen and Timothy Renter both are very big into asking 485 00:41:59,679 --> 00:42:07,199 about the expanded events around the singular happening, yeah, and try to build 486 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:12,800 an idea around that possibly, Yeah, And that that's the thing is, 487 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,079 you know, I remember talking with Tim about it years and years later, 488 00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:21,440 I think, like last year, and I was like, Tim, does 489 00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:30,159 this mean I or or my friend or all of us together conjured the big 490 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:40,119 foot? Or did the environment listen to what we said and then point the 491 00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:44,559 direction for the big foot? It was like, you know, all of 492 00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:50,559 it's woo, But I'm like, you know, did we dream it up? 493 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,559 Or I mean, what happened. This is why I don't talk about 494 00:42:55,599 --> 00:43:00,360 going, you know, hunting for bigfoot very often, because I don't want 495 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:06,239 this to happen again, especially not here in town. That would be terrible. 496 00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:09,519 Oh yeah. I think this is a situation that is sort of like 497 00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:16,199 like improv. You know, the answer is always yes and yes. Yes, 498 00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:23,199 there is no yes no, but so always well yes and or maybe 499 00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:28,280 there's a lot of maybes, so many maybes. And that's basically what Tim 500 00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:34,960 said. He said, maybe you did conjure it. Maybe it was already 501 00:43:35,039 --> 00:43:38,360 out there. And the reason you all talked about it and it came down 502 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,960 to your friend's mouth is because he kind of knew it was out there. 503 00:43:42,679 --> 00:43:47,039 Right. I was like, you know, whatever it was, I did, 504 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:51,239 you know, call him the next day and tell him don't ever talk 505 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,880 about that at my house again, we can talk about it at your house 506 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:59,559 and it can go to your house. Because I didn't like it at all, 507 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:05,599 and I actually did call bfr O and report it. I was like 508 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:12,280 that this is not a sighting, but this is something that sounds very much 509 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:16,280 like it. I actually talked with their investigator for about forty five minutes, 510 00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:22,480 and Zach talked with him, and Zach was he was like, you know 511 00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:29,039 what really kills me is I actually had my studio that looks out on those 512 00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:31,960 woods set up to record. He was like, I could have just flipped 513 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:36,960 a couple of switches and stuck a mic out the window. And he's like, 514 00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:38,599 I feel so terrible that I didn't do it, But I couldn't think. 515 00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:43,719 Well, you know, people ask me all the time. It's like, 516 00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:45,639 there was hunting season, you had a rifle, you had a scope, 517 00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:52,000 why didn't you shoot this thing? And I couldn't be sure. Yeah, 518 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:57,480 you could have shot a person exactly. It would be an absolutely suicidal 519 00:44:57,559 --> 00:45:01,440 person wearing solid black and hunting season it. Yeah, if you can't see 520 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,719 your target, I'm not going to shoot it. No, you're not supposed. 521 00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,400 I mean, okay, people who actually hunt, who are ethical hunters 522 00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:19,280 don't just shoot at whatever is moving. It is not done. And but 523 00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:22,719 again it was that shock factor too. Yeah, it's like what am I 524 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:30,000 looking at the the ontological you know, gut punch of what what is that? 525 00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:37,199 But yeah, I can't imagine shooting at anything that's that's bipedal, humanoid 526 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:43,239 shaped. I mean, I just I can't. And there's lots of other 527 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,119 hunters who basically said, you know, I saw it, I had my 528 00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,800 gun, I had my gun trained on it, but it couldn't do it 529 00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:54,760 because it looked like a person. It's it's too human. Yeah, it's 530 00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:00,880 very clearly not. But it's too close. Yeah it's And that to me 531 00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:07,760 is just a no. And then you know there's the possibility that, you 532 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:12,079 know, okay, if you did shoot it and it you know, didn't 533 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:17,360 do anything. Oh yeah, that you know, that's been that's been reported 534 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:27,159 by Stan Gordon and various other investigators for decades that people shoot at it and 535 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,320 they're sure they hit it, but nothing happens. And this was not very 536 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:37,880 far from the Chestnut Ridge. Yeah, this was maybe thirty forty five minute 537 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:42,679 drive from Chestnut Ridge, So we're in the same area that all of that 538 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,119 took place yea. In fact, now that I think about it, Kevin 539 00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:51,119 Paul is working on his third book and he actually I sent this report to 540 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,920 him because it's not in Greene County, but it's on the border right. 541 00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,480 And in his second book he had a report that was very sel. It 542 00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:04,519 wasn't a power line though, it was a right of way for a gas 543 00:47:04,639 --> 00:47:07,320 line. Yeah. Yeah, that all of those places are. You know, 544 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:14,719 there's so many episodes of strange familiars where people are out and they you 545 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,880 know, cross one of those places, or they're up at the top of 546 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:24,840 a ridge looking down through the opening and there's you know, some two legged 547 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:32,960 something or other whatever it is, lurking watching them. This honestly makes me 548 00:47:34,119 --> 00:47:40,639 wonder about their eyesight because they very clearly are avoiding us. Well, they 549 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:45,079 do it from such a distance that I don't know, maybe we just stand 550 00:47:45,159 --> 00:47:49,800 out that much, but you know, clearly humans do not belong in the 551 00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,239 woods. But yeah, they're they're at a distance. They usually have a 552 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:59,559 clear line of sight if they're crossing these these woodcuts or power lines or even 553 00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:02,199 cross a road. Oh yeah, you know, and and you know, 554 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:07,639 trees on one side, trees on the other hanging over you know. Yeah, 555 00:48:08,119 --> 00:48:12,719 I think that's part of why there's there's so many descriptions of them walking 556 00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,400 across the road and looking over their shoulder towards the traffic, you know, 557 00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:22,519 as they go across, because well it's a clear line of sight. Well 558 00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:28,679 that would also help avoid blinding by headlights. Yeah, if they have like 559 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:35,079 hyper sensitive eyesight, headlights could potentially blind them entirely, so over their shoulder, 560 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:40,000 they're really only getting indirect light, right, Yeah, And I do 561 00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:47,360 wonder about that because if their eyesight is really good for night vision, then 562 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:55,039 yeah, then then even if a high powered flashlight would be bad, you 563 00:48:55,119 --> 00:49:00,639 know, for them to my crappy X file style flight did not cause any 564 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:06,280 problem because it was you know, about to die. It's like, okay, 565 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,800 now we know we have to keep fresh batteries in the flashlight at all 566 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:15,159 times, so well we know those batteries end up in the TV remote anyway. 567 00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:20,320 Yeah, yeah, yeah, and uh most of the time. You 568 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,960 know, I've also heard of people whose batteries have been you know, sucked 569 00:49:23,079 --> 00:49:29,719 dry by something or another when when they most need to be used. So 570 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:34,519 who knows. I've run into that too, And it's not during anything paranormal. 571 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,039 It's just fresh batteries. You go to use it and they just immediately 572 00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:42,719 die. Yeah, And it's made me wonder like what is going on around 573 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,719 me because I've I've stopped and looked around the woods when that happens. Yeah, 574 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:51,760 Yeah, it's like, Okay, where is he? You know? 575 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:58,239 That happened? Yeah, And you know, it's interesting. I've been thinking 576 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:01,000 this for a while, but I've never really you know, articulated it. 577 00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:05,840 But you know, all of the bigfoot sightings that are in the right of 578 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:13,639 ways or especially with the big power lines, there's a lot of UFO sightings 579 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:22,079 in those places. The UFOs liked to hover under or over the power lines 580 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:28,880 and travel along them. And I mean, my grandfather was of the opinion 581 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:35,039 that they were sucking electricity out and and he was not I mean, you 582 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:40,239 know, he was an atheist. He you know, he was not formally 583 00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:45,119 educated. He educated himself, so he was always reading like you know, 584 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:53,360 encyclopediasm stuff. And when he would see things hovering over the power lines and 585 00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:58,719 he said, you know, it had an orange glow. It was like 586 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,400 a sphere that was orange. And he said, in it it hovered over 587 00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:08,800 there and it started to glow brighter over the power lines. And you know, 588 00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:13,280 he had no reason to make stuff like that up. And in fact, 589 00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:19,280 he's the person who taught me how to tell an airplane and uh a 590 00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:25,280 satellite from anything wonky. You see your satellites they go straight, They just 591 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:30,079 they just go straight. They don't like disappear, they don't like zig zag. 592 00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:36,079 He's like, in planes pretty much travel straight to Yeah, but they 593 00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:39,280 had flashing lights most of the time, change color based on perspective. Yep, 594 00:51:39,519 --> 00:51:44,239 and the and he said, the FAA lights are these here blah blah 595 00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:50,239 blah blah blah, and uh if it would watch you know, a couple 596 00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,840 hours go by and something goes zig zagging along. He's like, see that, 597 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,760 that's one of those. I said, So what do you think they 598 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,280 are? He's like, I don't know. I just call them them or 599 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:06,559 those. Well, let me throw this out there to you. What if 600 00:52:06,559 --> 00:52:12,639 they're not sucking the power but they are generated by the electromagnetism that's generated from 601 00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:19,119 these high tension power lines. Okay. And my feeling is is you could 602 00:52:19,159 --> 00:52:23,079 be correct, but you have to have a human there exactly observe it and 603 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:30,159 help it come into being. I guess, yeah, to create it or 604 00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:36,519 something. I've had this this pet theory that I've been tossing around for probably 605 00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:39,960 five to ten years at this point, and until recently I couldn't really get 606 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:45,519 too much information on it. Have you ever heard of telric currents? Are 607 00:52:45,559 --> 00:52:52,000 those the underground currents? Yes? The geomagnetic currents. Yeah. So for 608 00:52:52,159 --> 00:52:57,480 the longest time, the US Geological Survey has done studies on this. There 609 00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:00,719 was a map that you could actually look at and see the lines, but 610 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,920 it hadn't been done. I hadn't seen an update since like the sixties. 611 00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:07,360 Right, it hasn't been updated for a long time. Yeah, Oh, 612 00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:10,800 I have news for you. Is it updated now? It's updated? Now? 613 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,800 Good. I actually went to look for it in preparation for this show, 614 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:21,559 and it is a It almost looks like a weather model. So it's 615 00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:24,800 got that color gradation based on the variances. And I'll tell you West Virginia 616 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:30,039 is like beyond red. Yep, it's up into like the pink almost white 617 00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:37,800 color because it is such a high variance in electromagnetism. Yeah. And this 618 00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:42,559 isn't the geomagnetism. This is in the atmosphere above the state, right, 619 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,679 so it's like everywhere around us. Yeah, and you know it ain't all 620 00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:54,840 it ain't all cell towers because you don't need cell towers where nobody lives. 621 00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:01,400 Yeah, that's true. Oh, you don't need all the cell towers in 622 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:06,480 the world. Yeah. And even based on the original maps. And I 623 00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:10,159 had this theory based on just weird stuff that was happening in Man County where 624 00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:15,079 I live. And even on the old maps you could see where there were 625 00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:20,840 multiple lines that were overlapping over the county. And now I look at the 626 00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,840 new updated map and it's just solid white. It is that is that is 627 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:31,800 interesting, and that is bizarre and you can actually see it follow the shape 628 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:38,360 of the mountain range. Yeah. Oh that is interesting. I'll send you 629 00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:42,480 a link to it after we get off here. Yeah, definitely, because 630 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,320 I'm going to send it right on to Chris and go, Chris, plug 631 00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:50,760 that into your map thing. Yeah, and then we'll look at you know, 632 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,639 West Virginia sightings and that will put them together and see what happens. 633 00:54:54,960 --> 00:55:00,679 Oh yeah, yeah. And I believe parts of Ohio are pretty far up 634 00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:06,800 there too. Yeah. Yeah. It is a weird also a weird place 635 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:15,039 here. There's all kinds of strange stuff, like there are sightings of spherical 636 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:21,719 balls of light going into and out of Lake Erie, for example. Oh 637 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:27,000 yeah, and that's that's been going on for a long time. I even 638 00:55:27,119 --> 00:55:30,159 have an uncle who, you know, basically was sitting out on his dike. 639 00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:37,840 Uh that sounds weird, But the Army Corps of Engineers built a dike 640 00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,840 around the lake so that they could build houses right next to the lake without 641 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,920 the lake, you know, deciding to kill everybody and flood them out. 642 00:55:46,039 --> 00:55:51,719 So it's just just a big old pile of rocks that just extends around chunks 643 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:57,679 of Lake Erie, and it's about I want to say, forty feet high 644 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,280 something like that. So when you get those big, big waves, when 645 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:06,400 there's storms and stuff, it doesn't destroy the houses. And so he had 646 00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,000 a house. It was right, you know, you go out in the 647 00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:13,559 backyard, which was this flat patch of sand and crap in crappy grass, 648 00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:16,320 and then you went up the steps to the top of the dike and there 649 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:21,559 was the lake boom right there, and you could you could watch all kinds 650 00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:25,719 of stuff. And he did, and he had a sailboat and he fished 651 00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:32,760 and did all this stuff. And yeah, he saw a few weird balls 652 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:37,480 of light either pop up out of the lake or most of the time it 653 00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:43,639 was go down in the lake. So yeah, this reminds me of something 654 00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:47,000 I read in grad school. I had a book. It was the Encyclopedia 655 00:56:47,039 --> 00:56:52,079 of North American or Native American Mythology, something along those lines, and the 656 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:59,159 entries were not expansive and they didn't really have a lot of cross referencing options 657 00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:05,000 or anything like that. But there was something called a meteor fire dragon that 658 00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:12,679 supposedly was an Algonquin story around the Great Lakes, and it was a blazing 659 00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:17,079 light with a fiery tail that would go into the lakes. And the story 660 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:22,239 was that these lights or the dragons I guess, or whatever term they actually 661 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:28,199 used, because clearly it wasn't going to be dragon, they lived under the 662 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:34,159 waves to prevent them from fully combusting and burning up. Hmm. That's interesting. 663 00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:44,360 Yeah. Now I'm trying to remember if the Shawnee people were one of 664 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:52,920 the Algonquin language groups. I think they were. But they have a creature 665 00:57:52,039 --> 00:58:01,199 that is the most powerful creature in their spirit stories, and it's a water 666 00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:07,760 panther. Oh yeah, yeah, So I wonder if it's related, because 667 00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:10,840 you know, the dragon that sounds like you know, white people wrote it 668 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:14,519 down and said, well, we don't know what to call it. We're 669 00:58:14,519 --> 00:58:16,360 going to call it a dragon. Well it's a flying surf and so clearly 670 00:58:16,639 --> 00:58:22,000 yeah, yeah, yeah, but huh yeah. I think the water panther 671 00:58:22,239 --> 00:58:27,480 is is based on a similar mythos because I believe it could fly and it 672 00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:31,159 was a horned panther from what I remember, Yes, yes, yes, 673 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:37,920 which the rivers. I always wonder about that because I picture like, what 674 00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:44,599 did the horns look like, because there weren't really animals around that had horns 675 00:58:44,679 --> 00:58:46,760 in the way that we think of with cow horns. There were buffalo and 676 00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:51,239 if you go far enough west into Ohio, yeah, you probably would have 677 00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,800 run into them. There were forest buffalo here. Okay, we have a 678 00:58:53,840 --> 00:59:00,320 ghost buffalo here in Athens, right outside of city limits. That was the 679 00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:08,480 last forest buffalo and it was shot in he Actually this is interesting. He 680 00:59:08,639 --> 00:59:17,360 actually had a federal Army guards who who were stationed twenty four hours a day 681 00:59:17,559 --> 00:59:24,320 to keep watch on him. And somebody's you know, somebody was asleep at 682 00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:30,719 the at the post or you know, was taken care of natural business. 683 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:37,000 I don't know, but somebody somebody, a poacher came in and shot him. 684 00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,840 Oh man, that's sad. Yeah. Yeah. But there's there's a 685 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:46,920 street here in Athens that's original name was Buffalo Trace because that's where the buffalo 686 00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:52,119 would travel from the hills and the forest down to the river and back. 687 00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:58,440 So they made a street out of it. Nice. Yeah, that sounds 688 00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:01,400 like a lot of the roads here where I if they're the roads are terrible 689 01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,239 because they're so narrow. Well, it turns out they're all still the old 690 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,840 wagon train roads. Yeah, so these have not changed in you know, 691 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:15,159 three hundred years. Yeah. Oh yeah, there's there's so many dirt roads 692 01:00:15,239 --> 01:00:21,400 around Appalachia, but particularly most of my experiences in West Virginia, and yeah, 693 01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:30,239 they're still the old you know, settler trails and stuff like that. 694 01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,079 And oh, these are the roads in town, Oh, like are the 695 01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:37,480 original roads that were laid out during the founding and they have not changed at 696 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:42,519 all except to have brick laid down and eventually they were paved. Yeah, 697 01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:47,000 that's true. There's a paved road in Putnam County, Route thirty five, 698 01:00:47,639 --> 01:00:53,719 and you can tell that it was originally you know, a a just a 699 01:00:54,039 --> 01:01:01,480 wagon track and there it still falls apart. There's parts that just slide down 700 01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:05,840 the hill and they keep fixing it, and they keep putting up guardrails and 701 01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,320 they keep sliding down the hill. So yeah, yeah, and it's like 702 01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,679 every couple of years you look and it's like, oh, the brick is 703 01:01:10,719 --> 01:01:16,039 coming up. Time to repave. Yeah yeah yeah. Appalachian roads, Boy, 704 01:01:16,119 --> 01:01:21,320 we could do a whole show about that. There's some there's some fun 705 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:27,760 stuff and Appalachia well, there's so much that was based on roads and railways 706 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,239 and travel. You know, you've got crossroads, you've got all the tunnels, 707 01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:36,880 You've got the covered bridges, all the water crossings. There's all kinds 708 01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:38,679 of directions you could go with that. Oh yeah, and then there's the 709 01:01:38,719 --> 01:01:45,920 abandoned mines. Those are always yes, those are great. There was a 710 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:51,840 mine on the property where I grew up as a child, and there were 711 01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:54,679 some weird things on the property, but I never had any incidents with the 712 01:01:54,840 --> 01:02:00,239 mine itself. M Granted, I wasn't supposed to be in the line, 713 01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,360 but you know, there were fossils in the shale, so I had to 714 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:07,079 go in a little bit just to get fossils. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 715 01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:10,679 of course I understand enough to avoid the bats, right, yeah, 716 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:16,079 yeah, yeah, no, I understand that if I had been a kid, 717 01:02:16,599 --> 01:02:22,239 I would have done the same thing, because well why not. Yeah, 718 01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:28,320 And the fossils were beautiful. They were fern fossils, and was the 719 01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:31,760 really dark black ones that stand out and they have so much detail against the 720 01:02:32,119 --> 01:02:37,000 gray of the slate. But they were so brittle, Yeah, so incredibly 721 01:02:37,079 --> 01:02:45,199 brittle. Yeah. Yeah, shale is is delicate. And yeah, I 722 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:51,079 always used to find I was always distraught because I never found arrowheads at a 723 01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,760 grandparents farm, but I always found fossils. And it was in part of 724 01:02:55,880 --> 01:03:00,920 the state that was that was underwater, that was an ocean at one point, 725 01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:06,920 so I was always finding you know, little little spiral shells and you 726 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:12,480 know, trial a bite bits and things and oh okay, so I roughly 727 01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:16,719 know where you were then, yeah, yeah, yeah. The whole arrowhead 728 01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:21,800 thing always disappointed me too. Like I know, in town, there was 729 01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,320 I think it's still called Indian Park. It's a little, tiny, tiny 730 01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:30,960 park and it was either an area where they did the flint napping or there 731 01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:37,639 was a cash there because people my parents' age used to go there in the 732 01:03:37,840 --> 01:03:40,760 sixties and seventies as kids and they could just take a trowel, stick it 733 01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:45,360 in the ground and come up with an arrowhead. And it was a tiny, 734 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:50,239 tiny area, no bigger than I don't know, maybe twenty by twenty 735 01:03:51,119 --> 01:03:54,960 yeah feet, Yeah, it's small. And then to the north of us 736 01:03:55,039 --> 01:04:00,719 we had the Warrior Trail, and I was the the one. It's the 737 01:04:02,199 --> 01:04:06,639 hm The Warrior Trail, if I remember, goes east to west from Ohio 738 01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:12,639 to Seneca Trail. Oh, yeah, it goes north south, right, 739 01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,360 Yeah, I do know that one. I remember that from West Virginia history 740 01:04:17,239 --> 01:04:21,199 all of those many years ago. Yeah, and we were close enough that 741 01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:26,280 from the hill where I lived I could look over to the next ridge and 742 01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:30,960 say, okay, the trail is right over there. That's awesome. But 743 01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:35,400 never found arrowheads, didn't really find any artifacts. Most of what I found 744 01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:44,719 was maybe at best early eighteen hundreds pennies, yeah, which is still pretty 745 01:04:44,719 --> 01:04:49,599 cool. Oh yeah, that's really awesome. Yeah. I the only person 746 01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:57,199 that ever found like something truly truly old, and it wasn't in a place 747 01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:04,039 that it was should have been there. My guests would be that somebody had 748 01:05:04,119 --> 01:05:11,239 brought it there. But but my dad went under the foundation of the house 749 01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:15,800 I grew up in for the first nine years of my life, and it 750 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:20,079 had been busted up into apartments. So he was in the crawl space under 751 01:05:20,119 --> 01:05:31,159 the house and he found a scraper. Oh wow, that is is uh, 752 01:05:31,639 --> 01:05:35,519 it looks like granite. Honestly, it doesn't look like flint. It's 753 01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:44,760 not. It doesn't have that glass like sharp edge, right. But it 754 01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:48,199 very very definitely was held in a hand. It could have been a hand 755 01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:55,400 axe too, but it's gorgeous. And he found it and he pulled it 756 01:05:55,440 --> 01:06:00,239 out and he's like, look what I found. And I really hope that 757 01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:05,159 he does give it to the Cultural Center and Charleston at some point because it's 758 01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:11,480 really old and really cool. But how he found it in like, you 759 01:06:11,559 --> 01:06:15,440 know, just sort of laying there. Oh yeah, it's weird, you 760 01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:19,719 know. I mean, the dirt had been dug about at some point. 761 01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:24,320 But and his theory is that a kid found it and was playing with it 762 01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:28,039 and took it under there where their parents didn't know that, you know, 763 01:06:28,119 --> 01:06:32,679 they were under there playing in the dirt at some point before you know, 764 01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:36,360 we lived there. I mean, it could have even been a groundhog just 765 01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:41,480 tossing around dirt. Well, that's true. It could have been it could 766 01:06:41,519 --> 01:06:46,480 have come out of a tunnel from yeah, a digging animal who was like, 767 01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:49,519 what the what is this boulder doing in here? Get out? Get 768 01:06:49,519 --> 01:06:53,920 out? Yeah, And it could be a still be a scraper even though 769 01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:58,320 it's not flint, because from my understanding, once you get into the southern 770 01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:02,840 part of West Virginia, there was no easy access to nappable material, but 771 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:09,559 there was a stone available that they could grind, and some of the artifacts, 772 01:07:09,679 --> 01:07:14,360 especially from like the early Adena and Hopewell periods, there are these stone 773 01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:20,239 artifacts that are ground stone rather than copper or flint neat, Yeah, because 774 01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:26,079 Ohio has flint all over the place, right right, but you know there's 775 01:07:27,159 --> 01:07:32,480 there's Uh. I still haven't found an arrowhead in our river, but I 776 01:07:32,599 --> 01:07:40,039 have found pieces of flint that you know have that were worked. And then 777 01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:43,360 there was that weird rock that just showed up in our house and we still 778 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,480 don't know how that happened. But okay, I got to hear that story. 779 01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:57,239 Okay, so we were watching television and the kid Fox. How old 780 01:07:57,400 --> 01:08:02,199 was he at that point? I want to say thirteen because that's about the 781 01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:06,480 right age for the sense of humor. He walks to go to the bathroom, 782 01:08:06,519 --> 01:08:10,119 which is like right next door, so you just have to walk out 783 01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:13,679 into the the you know, hallway and boot turn and then you're in the 784 01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:18,720 bathroom and right in the middle of the hallway is a rock and it's rounded 785 01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:26,680 looking, and he was like, where'd that come from? And he picks 786 01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,840 it up and he's like, hey, ma, hey, ma, I 787 01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,960 found a rock. And I'm like, you're always find in rocks because I 788 01:08:33,199 --> 01:08:36,640 had always have to go through his pockets and make sure there are no rocks 789 01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:41,239 before I wash the clothes. Which, hey, that's fine because my grandmother 790 01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:45,279 and my mother said, I hope you someday have a child that keeps rocks 791 01:08:45,359 --> 01:08:49,680 and crap in their pockets. So yeah, that's why you're gonna have a 792 01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,800 kid that's just like you. Yep, yep. I had to and that's 793 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:59,199 just how it is. So I was like, he was like, no, 794 01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:01,239 no, no, it's right here in the in the in the center 795 01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:05,199 of the hallway. And I was like, oh, so, you know, 796 01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:09,640 I got up and looked at it, and he's and it looks it's 797 01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:15,079 weird, it's carved, funny, he's but I don't know if it's carved, 798 01:09:15,039 --> 01:09:20,479 And so it's a triangle, a rounded triangle round on the back, 799 01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:29,079 and then there's a carved bit or maybe I can't tell. It's smooth, 800 01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:32,720 so maybe it was carved at one time and then left in water and that 801 01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:39,800 smoothed it. But he said, it looks like a coochie mom, and 802 01:09:39,960 --> 01:09:45,520 it does. It looks like a vulval mound, like from the front. 803 01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:50,720 Huh, like really looks like. I mean, the people I've shown it 804 01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:57,920 to have gotten yeah, that's a couccie. And so it's name permanently in 805 01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:03,319 our house is Coochie Rock. But I just I couldn't believe it. I 806 01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:08,840 was I was just like, what the hell? You know, why is 807 01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:11,279 it here? You know? We tried to come up with his so I 808 01:10:11,319 --> 01:10:14,159 showed it to Morgan. Morgana, did you bring this in the house and 809 01:10:14,279 --> 01:10:17,199 just leave it somewhere and then not tell me? And she's like nope. 810 01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,920 I'm like, we're you. You don't remember this? And she's like, 811 01:10:21,039 --> 01:10:28,079 nope, Zach did you know? He's like no, He's like And then 812 01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:31,800 the kids said, well, maybe maybe it was stuck in the popads of 813 01:10:32,079 --> 01:10:36,239 one of the dogs, but none of the dogs were big enough to have 814 01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:43,880 popads that would encompass something that big. So, yeah, that's one of 815 01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:46,119 the three rocks that have shown up in my house. And I'm guessing you 816 01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:53,199 don't wear shoes indoors. No. No. And one follow up question, 817 01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:56,479 was it warm when it was found? Yeah? You know, that's the 818 01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:01,199 first thing Josh Kutchen asked me. And it didn't seem to be It seemed 819 01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:06,479 to be ambient room temperature. Okay, yeah, No. I have recently 820 01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:12,800 heard something fall from what appeared to be the ceiling of my kitchen. It 821 01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:17,760 was a shard of glass and I had a cat in there with me because 822 01:11:18,039 --> 01:11:20,319 you know, he was helping me make coffee and was, you know, 823 01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:26,560 begging for milk. And I was like no, but he watched it fall. 824 01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:30,119 I watched his head, you know, go down, and then he'd 825 01:11:30,359 --> 01:11:35,439 sort of dove after whatever. My chink on the tile, and so I 826 01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:39,359 leaned over it and I grabbed it and it was a shard of glass, 827 01:11:39,479 --> 01:11:45,319 and that one was warm, and yet nothing was broken. No. Yeah, 828 01:11:45,399 --> 01:11:49,039 see that definitely sounds like an apport. Yeah. Yeah, and I've 829 01:11:49,079 --> 01:11:54,279 had the opposite. I've had things completely disappear when I dropped them several times. 830 01:11:54,319 --> 01:11:58,319 Oh yeah, that's a that's always a thing. And I've had that 831 01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:03,159 happened too, and that's a thing, and I don't like it because it 832 01:12:03,239 --> 01:12:08,479 seems like, all right, who's down there? Who grabbed it? Yeah 833 01:12:09,039 --> 01:12:13,319 it? Why did you want that? The one that really stands out of 834 01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:15,479 my mind is, well, I have two that stand out. The first 835 01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:19,199 one is a so I used to do leather working. Oh is it the 836 01:12:19,279 --> 01:12:25,239 reenacting? I did historical reenactment in grad school because I was a history major. 837 01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,960 It all went together. So I did a lot of leather work and 838 01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:35,960 sewing to create my costume. And one day I dropped this really big leather 839 01:12:36,079 --> 01:12:42,760 needle. Yeah, that's a triangular tip to pierce the leather, right, 840 01:12:43,279 --> 01:12:46,680 Yeah, And I dropped it on a tile floor, and that is definitely 841 01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,239 not something you want to lose because if you step on that, you're going 842 01:12:49,319 --> 01:12:53,079 to have an enormous hole in your foot and you're gonna have to go to 843 01:12:53,119 --> 01:12:56,439 the er because that one you can't just yeah, yeah, that's bad. 844 01:12:57,319 --> 01:13:02,399 Well it bounced once. I heard the sound and that was it and never 845 01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:09,800 found it. Hardwood floor, it was a would look lamon it. Oh 846 01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:13,119 that's even worse because it doesn't really have the cracks that you know, it 847 01:13:13,239 --> 01:13:17,640 could have fallen into and an old hardwood floor where you know they shrink and 848 01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:24,239 floor two three times with a broom and never found it. To this day, 849 01:13:24,359 --> 01:13:30,039 it's never shown up. Somebody was making shoes somewhere. Yeah, I 850 01:13:30,079 --> 01:13:34,199 don't know. That's one of those. Just okay, I know, whatever 851 01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:41,039 happens. And the other one it was I was working at a metaphysical shop. 852 01:13:41,680 --> 01:13:45,399 I forget what exactly I was bagging up, but I was putting like 853 01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:49,680 stones or it was something into little baggies for sale, and I went to 854 01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:55,439 put this one in a bag, totally missed the bag. Somehow I heard 855 01:13:55,479 --> 01:14:01,479 it again. It bounced one time on the carpet and vanished. Somebody wanted 856 01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:04,960 that rock. Yeah, And that's kind of what the shop owner said too. 857 01:14:05,039 --> 01:14:09,520 She's like, well it's theirs now, yeah, questioned it. Yeah, 858 01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:13,600 it's it's like, don't don't get too you know, into trying to 859 01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:19,600 find that. That's yeah. I I've lost so many pieces of jewelry that 860 01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:28,119 way, so I have to be careful and like bribe the little critters that 861 01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:32,880 and it's like, okay, now have have some have some things to eat? 862 01:14:33,119 --> 01:14:39,079 Here, have things to eat have this rock over here that I bought 863 01:14:39,119 --> 01:14:44,640 it at the rock shop special for you. Please don't steal my stuff. 864 01:14:45,039 --> 01:14:50,119 But yeah, I've had a ring drop off my finger onto a hardwood floor 865 01:14:50,920 --> 01:15:00,840 and disappear, and then it appeared at a friend's house. She she was 866 01:15:00,119 --> 01:15:03,239 going up into her sewing room and it was right in the middle of the 867 01:15:03,319 --> 01:15:09,359 floor, and she knew it had to have been mine because while it looked 868 01:15:09,399 --> 01:15:15,239 like something that would be mine. She called and she's like, did you 869 01:15:15,399 --> 01:15:18,520 leave a ring here at my house? And I'm like, no, I 870 01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:23,439 all the rings that I had when I last was there are still here. 871 01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,600 And she's like, oh, well, there's this ring and she described it 872 01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:30,600 and I went, that's the one that fell off my finger and was nowhere 873 01:15:31,119 --> 01:15:35,680 to be found in the bedroom. That is so bizarre. So yeah, 874 01:15:36,119 --> 01:15:43,640 who knows what that is. There's a whole book called just one of those 875 01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:48,199 Things, Yeah jots, and that's the book. The stories in that book, 876 01:15:48,279 --> 01:15:53,159 man, like, you know, a letter falling from the sky and 877 01:15:53,319 --> 01:15:58,800 landing on a person's lap. You know, people think that cannot possibly happen, 878 01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:03,880 but and then you know, weird stuff happens. I think one of 879 01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:08,199 my favorite stories out of that book is when they cracked open a piece of 880 01:16:08,279 --> 01:16:12,279 coal and a toad jumped out, took a few hops, and then just 881 01:16:12,399 --> 01:16:16,319 died. Yep, I remember reading that. I don't think it's in a 882 01:16:16,439 --> 01:16:25,399 Keel book, but some somebody, one of the older authors wrote about it. 883 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:32,560 It might have been Charles, Charles Burletts maybe, oh, it could 884 01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:35,560 be Fort. It could have been And it could have been Charles Fort, 885 01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:39,640 that's the other person it could have been. But yeah, I read that 886 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:44,720 as a kid and was like, whoa. I read that. I was 887 01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:46,840 just like, what the And that was the whole story, Like there's nothing 888 01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:49,600 else around, It's just that short little burb and it's just like, what 889 01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:56,199 the hell? Yeah, what did somebody? You know? Did somebody do 890 01:16:56,239 --> 01:17:00,720 an autopsy on that little toad? Here's the toad weed? Yeah, it's 891 01:17:00,800 --> 01:17:03,800 like did it dry up? Did it shrivel up? But I mean, 892 01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:12,760 what what happened? Yeah? I have questions about this. I have many 893 01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:17,960 questions. Why didn't you feel? Yeah, what species? What kind? 894 01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:26,239 You know? Was it a? And then there's the the somebody found what 895 01:17:26,359 --> 01:17:30,960 looks like a spark plug and coal. Oh yeah yeah, and that's that's 896 01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:35,079 messed up. So that one I know they said it was metal or partially 897 01:17:35,159 --> 01:17:41,119 metal, part part look ceramic. Now that one I it could also be 898 01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:45,319 a fossil because and it would be weird to have like a crinoid fossil in 899 01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:51,640 coal or shale. Yeah, but it's possible to have a fossil that has 900 01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:57,880 very strong iron elements, so like the ones we have here where I live. 901 01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:02,159 We've actually just been finding a petrified wood in a creek near an old 902 01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:06,840 coal mine, and it is super heavy. It's orange, it's got a 903 01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:14,119 lot of iron ore in the fossil itself. It's not metallic and it's not 904 01:18:14,399 --> 01:18:20,600 magnetized. But I could almost see like a tree branch or a stem or 905 01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:27,159 something like that with an extended core made of mostly iron that could look like 906 01:18:27,319 --> 01:18:31,880 an old spark plug. Yeah, that's pretty cool. I like that. 907 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,039 Yeah, it's fun because the kids they go out and they play in the 908 01:18:35,079 --> 01:18:36,960 creek and they just show up and they're like, hey, what's this. 909 01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:42,760 Well, that is a piece of wood that's older than dinosaurs. WHOA, 910 01:18:43,399 --> 01:18:48,079 Yeah, that's exciting. That is exciting the kids. Yeah. I think 911 01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:53,119 more kids need to play in creeks these days. I just do. That's 912 01:18:53,239 --> 01:18:56,880 that was my great joy growing up as playing in the ponds and playing in 913 01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:03,159 creeks find in all kinds of treasures. I remember, because we lived on 914 01:19:03,239 --> 01:19:06,800 a farm in the middle of nowhere, we had to have deliveries of limestone 915 01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:11,880 gravel for the road. Right. Yeah, I remember as a kid learning 916 01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:16,159 how to do a paleontological excavation because I had found a fossil in the gravel. 917 01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:23,359 So I set up a rope grid across the road, blocking off this 918 01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,720 whole area of study. And then my dad comes home from work and he 919 01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,199 can't get through. I think, what is this? Yeah, so so 920 01:19:30,359 --> 01:19:33,319 try explaining to a five or six year old, Hey, we need to 921 01:19:33,399 --> 01:19:36,039 move these ropes so I can get through. But no, no, you'll 922 01:19:36,119 --> 01:19:40,840 run over the excavation site. Okay, I hate to tell you this, 923 01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:45,840 kid, but that's that's Oh it's already messed up. Yeah, it's it's 924 01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,359 done been messed up. You know, one hundred miles from here, because 925 01:19:49,359 --> 01:19:55,520 that's where these rocks came from. Yeah, Morgana is amazing. She has 926 01:19:55,600 --> 01:20:01,600 this amazing ability to just look down and find a treasure. It's the weirdest 927 01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:06,840 thing. We go on vacation and we get to the place we're staying and 928 01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:14,199 she gets out of the car and there's a big, chunky, you know, 929 01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:21,880 rounded gravel that's basically being used as mulch in a partition of the parking 930 01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:27,439 lot, and there's a tree growing in the middle of it, and she 931 01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:31,560 like walks over there and glances down and pops up with a fossil nice, 932 01:20:32,199 --> 01:20:40,640 just like boop boop. There was. I was with her and Fox and 933 01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:45,239 one of Fox's friends and we were digging around in the Hawking River and there's 934 01:20:45,239 --> 01:20:48,560 a big gravel bed that is one of the places where you know, stuff 935 01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:56,000 gets deposited from being pushed and rolled by the river and then also you know, 936 01:20:56,319 --> 01:20:59,520 silt and stuff gets stirred up and then laid there, so you get 937 01:20:59,560 --> 01:21:02,680 all kinds a neat old stuff. Hey, the kid looked down and popped 938 01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:09,199 up with with an old medicine bottle. Nice, And I was just like, 939 01:21:09,359 --> 01:21:14,000 hm, see there you go. You're always doing that. You're just 940 01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:18,720 always doing that. Yeah. We found some some really cool treasures for Chad 941 01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:24,319 and Tim to send home with them. When Tim visited, I was like, 942 01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:27,840 Hey, this came out of the river and this is a piece of 943 01:21:27,880 --> 01:21:34,520 a brick that's from the old asylum on the hill, and Tim didn't want 944 01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:36,640 that one. He was like, Nope, you can keep that one. 945 01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:44,560 Chad brick, why not, I know, right, make bricktopst out of 946 01:21:44,600 --> 01:21:46,600 it. I'm sure that would work for something. Yeah, I can think 947 01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:51,560 of quite a few things that would probably work for but yeah. So she 948 01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:57,279 she just has this ability to just look down. Oh look there's a river 949 01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:03,159 oyster shellll and oh it's still got a tinge. Oh look a crow feather. 950 01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:10,079 Oh look, yeah, whatever, She's always fine and stuff that reminds 951 01:22:10,119 --> 01:22:15,840 me. The other day, I had this weird knowing, I guess is 952 01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:18,600 the way to subscribe this. I was visiting my parents and I went to 953 01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:25,840 open the door to the basement and I'm reaching for the handle, and in 954 01:22:25,960 --> 01:22:28,199 my head I get this idea. It says there's going to be a snake 955 01:22:28,239 --> 01:22:30,479 on the other side. So I pause for a moment. I'm like, 956 01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:35,319 okay, that's weird. Open the door and I'm looking because at this point 957 01:22:35,399 --> 01:22:39,159 now I'm careful. I want to make sure there's no snake there. And 958 01:22:39,239 --> 01:22:44,479 I don't see anything except a little tiny piece of paracord. I was like, 959 01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:46,399 okay. My dad was just moving stuff around and he dropped it and 960 01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:51,720 no big deal. Well turns out it was a little ribbon snake. Oh, 961 01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,000 little tiny thing. But it's just one of the weird things. It's 962 01:22:57,039 --> 01:23:03,039 like almost a statement from the snake itself. Yeah. As it saw me 963 01:23:03,119 --> 01:23:06,960 approaching, it was like, hey, i'm here, Yeah, step on 964 01:23:08,079 --> 01:23:12,399 me. Yeah, like totally don't tread on me, dude, Like no. 965 01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:16,199 And I told my parents about it, and my dad's like, oh, 966 01:23:16,279 --> 01:23:18,880 hey, that's cool. There was a it was a ring neck I'm 967 01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:23,760 sorry, not a ribbon snake. It was a ringneck racer. Apparently there 968 01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:29,359 was a fairly large one under the porch and it had had babies. Ah, 969 01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:35,079 that's so awesome. Yeah, I like, I like harmless snakes. 970 01:23:35,479 --> 01:23:44,159 I'm not as fond of rattlers and no copper heads, even though copper heads 971 01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:47,520 you can usually just kind of go along, do your snaky thing over there, 972 01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:53,520 just I'm not gonna mess with you. Rattlers can get kind of testy 973 01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:57,600 though. Yeah. That's why I'm never upset when I see a black rat 974 01:23:57,680 --> 01:24:00,720 snake, no matter how big it is. So these things they eat the 975 01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:05,399 venomous ones, So yep, it's okay, yep, that's exactly how I 976 01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:11,800 feel about them now, they'll still make me jump and possibly make a squeak 977 01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:15,000 like a little girl because they're so big and they're moving, you know, 978 01:24:15,680 --> 01:24:17,199 and for a second it's like, oh my god, you know, and 979 01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:24,079 this is why I'm never going to Australia, because you know, they've got 980 01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:29,800 too many things there that are too scary. And no, no, yeah, 981 01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:31,760 they have birds there that want to kill you, so I'll pass. 982 01:24:32,199 --> 01:24:38,920 They have birds. They have hunting spiders that kill birds, and they have 983 01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:44,840 all the poisonous snakes in the world, and the saltwater crocodiles. Yep, 984 01:24:45,279 --> 01:24:48,960 they got craps. They got all these big great white sharks. No, 985 01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:53,960 there's just too much. No. Oh in the box jellyfish. Oh, 986 01:24:54,119 --> 01:24:59,000 I forgot about those. Those are terrible too. There's just so many scorpions. 987 01:24:59,359 --> 01:25:02,119 Nah, Nope. And then you nump over to New Zealand and there's 988 01:25:02,199 --> 01:25:10,319 nothing, I know, weird, very weird. It's probably probably the uh 989 01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:15,680 they sent everything over its Astralia just just you know, give it, give 990 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:23,119 it to them, just we don't want no. Yeah, yeah, I 991 01:25:23,279 --> 01:25:26,359 saw, I was I was doing genealogy and I saw that one of my 992 01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:30,720 family members. First off, that I have family on my mother's side. 993 01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,880 That's name. Their last name is Snape. And I was like, well, 994 01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:42,840 that's just okay, uh and moving along and uh. I also saw 995 01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:47,560 that two of this woman's sons. Uh. One went to jail and the 996 01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:51,600 other went to Australia. I was like, so, no, not only 997 01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:57,920 do they have the last name Snape, but criminal activity was occurring. I'm 998 01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:00,960 like, yeah, I leave it to my family, uh, you know, 999 01:26:00,199 --> 01:26:06,640 because they got to be dishonorable in some way or something. And I 1000 01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:13,399 just I was like, so somebody did make it to Australia. Now I 1001 01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,439 wonder, you know, did they get there and get eaten by a bird 1002 01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:21,720 or a snake or a sark? Yeah, because of like our family just 1003 01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:28,119 does not have great looks. Well, I wouldn't be too concerned about them 1004 01:26:28,159 --> 01:26:31,359 being criminals because at that time they were sending everybody to Australia that they could. 1005 01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:35,479 Oh I know it was it was a debt thing. Yeah. The 1006 01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:41,359 one who went to jail was was actually a thief of some sort or another. 1007 01:26:42,439 --> 01:26:46,279 Yeah, but the tax thing they shipped people out, yeah yeah. 1008 01:26:46,319 --> 01:26:53,199 The other one was as a debt or so I ast not build debtor's prisons 1009 01:26:53,199 --> 01:26:56,399 will just give him to Australia. Well, could you imagine that, like 1010 01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:00,359 your brother, say, like murdered someone and he goes to jail. You 1011 01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:04,079 missed a payment on your taxes and they're shipping you halfway across the world. 1012 01:27:05,319 --> 01:27:09,520 How is this fair? Yeah? And that's a hell of a way to 1013 01:27:09,600 --> 01:27:15,439 colonize something too. I mean you generally you have a colony and you you 1014 01:27:15,520 --> 01:27:20,000 know, I want to colonize it in a colonizing kind of way. You 1015 01:27:20,079 --> 01:27:25,039 know, I'm just gonna send the flotsam and jetsam and just you know, 1016 01:27:25,159 --> 01:27:31,159 I'm just done with them. Yeah. And it's not like there weren't people 1017 01:27:31,239 --> 01:27:35,640 already there. Thank you, thank you, it's do we have to? 1018 01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:44,680 Can we not? Okay? I guess not. But yeah I read that 1019 01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:48,039 and was like, well, I guess Australia has some of my people there. 1020 01:27:49,239 --> 01:27:56,359 I wonder if they turned out well, uh, who knows? Uh? 1021 01:27:56,680 --> 01:28:01,159 What kind of uh have you had any other range you know, happenings 1022 01:28:01,239 --> 01:28:04,680 around you. I really love the snake telling you, dude, don't step 1023 01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:09,199 on me. Yeah, and that was a recent one too. I have 1024 01:28:09,319 --> 01:28:11,880 all kinds of weird stuff. If I told all of them, we'd be 1025 01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,520 here another two or three hours. Well, we can't do that, but 1026 01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,239 you can always come back. Yeah, yeah, I know you're looking into 1027 01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:23,720 strange light phenomena. Yes, so I have something that I meant it. 1028 01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,119 I was going to tell you anyway, so might as well do it on 1029 01:28:26,199 --> 01:28:30,960 the podcast. This was, and I can tell you exactly where it was, 1030 01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:34,920 what year it happened. It was at night. It was at an 1031 01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:42,640 old boy scout camp and I was there with a club from high school and 1032 01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:45,600 we were having a camp out there, and we were walking up this old 1033 01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:49,680 gravel road that looks over a field and on the far side of the field 1034 01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:54,319 there is a tree line that's on a slight hillside right, and it's not 1035 01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:59,479 super steep, but it's enough that you can see above the fence line by 1036 01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:03,560 the road to see the woodline. And we're walking back and it's night, 1037 01:29:03,640 --> 01:29:09,479 it's a full moon and everything, so we're out there without flashlights and we 1038 01:29:09,640 --> 01:29:18,000 see this light on the woodline and it stays completely level and it just travels 1039 01:29:18,199 --> 01:29:30,640 the full length of the field and disappears. And it was white blue something. 1040 01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:36,560 It was a very bright color. And we still I remember standing there 1041 01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:40,560 trying to figure out what this could have been and we were talking out loud, 1042 01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:45,000 me and my friends saying, okay, well there's no noise, so 1043 01:29:45,079 --> 01:29:48,439 it's not a four wheeler. Wasn't bright enough to be a four wheeler anyway. 1044 01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:53,720 It was moving way too fast to have been someone with a flashlight, 1045 01:29:55,119 --> 01:29:59,079 and it stayed too level to have been a flashlight. Yeah, it wasn't 1046 01:29:59,159 --> 01:30:01,520 a firefly. Even at a distance, it still would have shown up like 1047 01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:08,800 yellow, and it didn't blink, so it stayed solid the entire distance of 1048 01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:13,079 the field. It wasn't a laser pointer because that was the wrong color. 1049 01:30:14,119 --> 01:30:16,640 I don't know if you could even get a white or blue laser pointer to 1050 01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:20,319 go that distance, and even then you would see it as it travels and 1051 01:30:20,439 --> 01:30:27,279 hits the tree chops wouldn't like illuminate. So that was a really strange one. 1052 01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:34,199 So what year was that? That would have been the nineteen ninety nine 1053 01:30:34,520 --> 01:30:39,520 two thousand school year, because I was a senior in high school, Okay, 1054 01:30:41,920 --> 01:30:45,479 and I believe it was probably I want to say it was early two 1055 01:30:45,560 --> 01:30:50,960 thousand because it would have been after winter. Hmm. I like that. 1056 01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:59,880 Yeah, And that area has all kinds of legends. There is actually a 1057 01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:03,319 ghost story from that one too. There's a little old house that we would 1058 01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:09,720 use there, and like that house is apparently haunted and I have firsthand experience 1059 01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:13,640 with that. And there's the story of a witch that used to live in 1060 01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:17,840 the ruins down the street where we were visiting. And this is all on 1061 01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:23,800 this property that eventually became a boy scout camp. Huh. And it is 1062 01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:30,119 on a very large outcropping of limestone. Oh so all of this starts to 1063 01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:35,399 tie together. It sounds like something that there might be a little bit more 1064 01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:41,319 going on in this area. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you've 1065 01:31:41,319 --> 01:31:46,760 got limestone, you've got a ghost light or whatever you want to call it. 1066 01:31:49,600 --> 01:31:55,119 And yeah, one of the things about those those weird little lights, 1067 01:31:55,119 --> 01:32:00,560 when they're traveling in a straight line, it's either slower then a person would 1068 01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:06,800 walk, or faster and they don't bounce, because that's the thing about someone 1069 01:32:06,920 --> 01:32:11,600 holding a light, right is of course, you know. And when you 1070 01:32:11,640 --> 01:32:13,880 said it was fast, I was like, I can imagine what it would 1071 01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:18,199 look like if it was somebody jogging with a flashlight. You know, it 1072 01:32:18,279 --> 01:32:24,039 would not be smooth at all. Well, that's why everyone's first instinct was 1073 01:32:24,159 --> 01:32:30,000 four wheeler. Yeah, yeah, even it was that even they they kind 1074 01:32:30,039 --> 01:32:33,760 of you know, because of course they're touching the earth, and you know, 1075 01:32:34,079 --> 01:32:38,520 the earth isn't perfectly flat, so they're gonna you know, bounce up 1076 01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:40,960 and down a little bit. You know. That never occurred to me. 1077 01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:45,760 Yeah. Yeah. And plus you'd hear the noise. Yeah, that's why 1078 01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:48,079 I ruled out so early. There was no sound. But yeah, yeah, 1079 01:32:48,119 --> 01:32:50,760 if it were out there, even if it were silent, it would 1080 01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:56,720 still bounce with the contours of the ground. Yeah. Yeah. Whatever you 1081 01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:00,880 had was something going from point A to point B on its business in the 1082 01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:10,760 evening, and that's what it was. It was something moving. My favorite 1083 01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:15,760 thing that I have found that explains these things, these weird lights, is 1084 01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:24,479 that they are bioluminescent owls. Okay, it's the stupidest thing that I've ever 1085 01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:28,680 heard in my life, but that they supposedly have some sort of fungus on 1086 01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:34,479 them. It is bioluminescent on their feathers, and they're white owls, so 1087 01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:41,800 that means they're barn owls, and they fly in a straight line and they 1088 01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:46,760 glow. And yeah, I told that to Josh when I found it, 1089 01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:51,640 and I sent him the the you know, quote from the book and he 1090 01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:56,000 was just like, oh my god. I'm like, yeah, I remember 1091 01:33:56,039 --> 01:33:59,560 hearing him laugh about that on another show. Yeah. I was like, 1092 01:34:00,319 --> 01:34:02,560 yeah, I was the one who brought the goodness to him. I was 1093 01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:08,199 like, this is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. One of the best 1094 01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:14,279 possible real explanations I've heard was and I don't even remember the name of this, 1095 01:34:14,479 --> 01:34:24,560 the documentary I was watching is bioelectric plasma generated through compression of limestone and 1096 01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:30,119 courts? Yes, yes, And it was on some sort of science documentary 1097 01:34:30,159 --> 01:34:32,439 I was watching, and it was in Scandinavia. I believe it was Norway. 1098 01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:36,079 They were studying this. It was either Norway or Sweden, and they 1099 01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:44,520 were they were geologists studying it. Yeah. Yeah, Hestelin, Norway is 1100 01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:49,039 one of the places that they've had geologists and physicists and you know, all 1101 01:34:49,119 --> 01:34:55,079 sorts of scientific people with tons of equipment set up, you know, and 1102 01:34:55,159 --> 01:34:59,720 they catch it and they have spectography and all of this. And one of 1103 01:34:59,840 --> 01:35:05,880 the the more sensible things has been plasma generated by the movement of quartz and 1104 01:35:05,960 --> 01:35:15,560 limestone. The problem is is they they have other things that have been sited, 1105 01:35:15,960 --> 01:35:24,119 so they have things like they'll have glowing humanoid shapes. Oh yeah, 1106 01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:29,800 yeah, yeah, and m and sometimes the little light guys will kind of 1107 01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:34,720 follow the scientists to their bunk house, you know, where they stay when 1108 01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:40,000 they're there. And well, see that takes us back to the observation and 1109 01:35:40,159 --> 01:35:45,920 the observation theory. It has to have humans to to manifest. Yeah, 1110 01:35:45,439 --> 01:35:48,600 yeah, and then when it has humans to manifest, sometimes it follows them 1111 01:35:48,640 --> 01:35:53,560 home like a puppy who's lost in the woods, and these things happen. 1112 01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:59,760 But yeah, Josh and I are going to talk to somebody who's who's been 1113 01:35:59,800 --> 01:36:03,840 there doing some of the studies and and you know, get some of these 1114 01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:12,039 stories because there's you know, there's so many possible explanations, none as good 1115 01:36:12,079 --> 01:36:18,239 as the owls. But I find it so fascinating that just about every paranormal 1116 01:36:18,479 --> 01:36:28,920 thing has something to do with lights. Yeah, and that's just amazing to 1117 01:36:29,039 --> 01:36:31,159 me. So tell me about this ghost story. Before we go, I 1118 01:36:31,399 --> 01:36:33,800 was wondering if you wanted to get into that. Yeah, I did too, 1119 01:36:34,079 --> 01:36:39,399 did This is an entirely different camp out that was going on. So 1120 01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:44,760 I was there at the same location in this house. I was supposed to 1121 01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:47,399 have been camping out in a tent that night, but I ended up getting 1122 01:36:47,399 --> 01:36:54,199 a migraine. So this very small house had a second story attic area, 1123 01:36:54,880 --> 01:36:57,920 and there were a couple of old cots and beds in there, and they 1124 01:36:57,960 --> 01:37:01,439 were covered with plastic like you do for like the sixties and seventies, the 1125 01:37:01,479 --> 01:37:06,079 plastic covering, right, Yeah, So the owner allowed me to go up 1126 01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:11,479 there and sleep on one of the costs because it was dark and dank, 1127 01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:15,159 and like he could keep other students from going up there and bothering me because 1128 01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:20,520 he understood. And I'm up there, laying down, and I've got a 1129 01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:27,600 migraine to a point where I can't quite sleep. Yeah, but I don't 1130 01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:31,840 want to be disturbed. And I hear the door to the attic open. 1131 01:37:32,319 --> 01:37:38,159 I hear someone walk up the stairs, walk over to the bed, felt 1132 01:37:38,359 --> 01:37:42,000 someone sit on the edge of the bed, heard the creaking of the plastic 1133 01:37:43,159 --> 01:37:46,039 as if they sat down, and they were watching me. I was turned 1134 01:37:46,079 --> 01:37:49,319 away, looking in the opposite direction. And I didn't want to be disturbed, 1135 01:37:49,359 --> 01:37:53,439 so I didn't. I pretended to be asleep, basically, right. 1136 01:37:54,479 --> 01:37:57,880 And then they get up. I feel the bed shift again, and I 1137 01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:01,800 hear them walk down the stairs, but I never hear the door close, 1138 01:38:03,720 --> 01:38:08,720 and I only realized that part after the fact, because later that night I 1139 01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:12,359 got up and I went back down to the main area where everybody was camping 1140 01:38:12,399 --> 01:38:15,000 out and having fun, and I was like, hey, I don't know 1141 01:38:15,079 --> 01:38:17,840 who checked on me earlier. I was still in a lot of pain. 1142 01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:20,800 I didn't want to be disturbed. I was, I was awake, but 1143 01:38:21,239 --> 01:38:26,079 you know, I was just pretending to be asleep. And the owner of 1144 01:38:26,119 --> 01:38:29,840 the house looked at me and says, I was guarding the door. I 1145 01:38:30,159 --> 01:38:33,560 wasn't allowing anybody to go up there and check on you. Nobody went up 1146 01:38:33,600 --> 01:38:42,079 there. Oh boy, this is not home too. This was There was 1147 01:38:42,119 --> 01:38:48,840 a kitchen, a living room area, and then basically two corridors leading from 1148 01:38:48,920 --> 01:38:51,319 one to the other, and then the stairwell going up to the attic. 1149 01:38:51,920 --> 01:39:01,279 That was and yeah, there's It's not the first time I've had something sit 1150 01:39:01,399 --> 01:39:04,600 on the side of the bed as if it were checking on me, but 1151 01:39:04,840 --> 01:39:11,079 that one had the most visceral reaction that I could, you know, you, 1152 01:39:11,199 --> 01:39:14,359 I could feel the bed, I could hear the plastic being I heard 1153 01:39:14,399 --> 01:39:17,600 the footsteps, the door, all of it. Yeah, so that was 1154 01:39:17,840 --> 01:39:24,760 a very concrete encounter. Yeah. So whatever it was, whether it's always 1155 01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:30,000 physical or not. Was at least partly physical, right, And I questioned 1156 01:39:30,119 --> 01:39:31,720 whether it was because, like I said, this is not the first time 1157 01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:38,039 I've had that happen. I questioned whether it wasn't something that follows me or 1158 01:39:38,119 --> 01:39:42,319 if it was something that was at the house. Yeah, that's a good 1159 01:39:42,399 --> 01:39:45,479 question. That's a good question. So is the house haunted or were you 1160 01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:53,079 haunted? Probably both? Yes, generally I think that that's the case. 1161 01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:58,920 And it could be another situation where because of the limestone and the terrain, 1162 01:39:59,680 --> 01:40:05,960 it'll loud whatever was following me to manifest. Yeah, yeah, I like 1163 01:40:06,119 --> 01:40:14,199 that. I like I do like the idea that there is energy needed to 1164 01:40:15,079 --> 01:40:21,039 manifest semi physical form. Because of course, these anomalous lights. Until I 1165 01:40:21,159 --> 01:40:25,199 took a photograph of one, for the longest time, I was like, 1166 01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:31,159 they're mostly probably in our heads, m because some people can't see them still, 1167 01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:33,800 and they can be standing right next to me and I'd be like, 1168 01:40:33,880 --> 01:40:36,840 it's right there. Yeah, you can't miss it. It's right there. 1169 01:40:38,119 --> 01:40:41,359 And it's not just the lights. It's like that bird that your mother saw, 1170 01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:46,479 and same thing happens with Bigfoot. Yeah, some people just cannot see 1171 01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:54,600 it. So what's happening there. Yeah, and then you know, but 1172 01:40:55,279 --> 01:40:58,520 once I took photographs of them, you know, I started out with just 1173 01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:01,840 you know, holding my iPhone up so I can see, Can I see 1174 01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:08,960 them through the camera? You know, and I would see, oh, 1175 01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:12,960 I can. And for the longest time, I didn't even you know, 1176 01:41:13,199 --> 01:41:15,079 I was like, I'm not going to take a picture of them, because 1177 01:41:15,079 --> 01:41:16,920 whatever it is, I don't want to pissed off, because it's like right 1178 01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:20,840 up the hill from my house. You know. It's like you don't take 1179 01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:27,039 creepy pictures of your neighbors because you don't want to upset them. But one 1180 01:41:27,119 --> 01:41:30,760 night I did actually take a photograph, and what it taught me was, 1181 01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:38,520 yes, there is light. There is something that is exuding some sort of 1182 01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:47,399 photons out into the world. The colors are different, so something about the 1183 01:41:47,600 --> 01:41:58,079 camera does not pick up what my eyes see exactly. So there is probably 1184 01:41:58,279 --> 01:42:05,399 some sort of either the lens is different or my perception is somehow different, 1185 01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:14,840 and so it's somewhat telepathically enhanced or something. Yeah, well that to simply 1186 01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:18,920 there's a different wavelength of light that you're perceiving as opposed to the camera. 1187 01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:25,000 Yeah, granted, that's a very scientific answer, but but that still makes 1188 01:42:25,079 --> 01:42:30,079 me think that. Okay, so maybe there are people who can perceive different 1189 01:42:30,159 --> 01:42:38,000 wavelengths of light through some unknown physical mechanism. Why not there's people who can 1190 01:42:38,119 --> 01:42:42,439 hear better than others. Like I can't hear if there are three or more 1191 01:42:42,479 --> 01:42:46,279 people talking to my vicinity, but I can hear bats. Yeah, and 1192 01:42:46,439 --> 01:42:51,720 not just like they're flapping wings when I can hear them. Yeah. Oh 1193 01:42:51,800 --> 01:42:56,800 that we have a story about that. In this house, Fox four years 1194 01:42:57,199 --> 01:43:01,439 has been saying, I hear something in that corner and it's at our TV 1195 01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:11,760 room and it's bats. I finally heard them, like this year, because 1196 01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:15,039 we turned everything off, and of course when we did that, they got 1197 01:43:15,119 --> 01:43:19,239 quiet because you know, they knew that the noise went away, so, 1198 01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:25,000 oh, maybe there's a predator here, so we'll be quiet. But then 1199 01:43:25,039 --> 01:43:29,479 they started talking again, and I did, finally, very faintly, hear 1200 01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:34,439 it, and the cats could hear it too, you know. But for 1201 01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:39,720 the longest time, Fox was like, what's wrong with you? Why can't 1202 01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:43,319 you hear it? I'm not crazy. I'm like, I know you're not 1203 01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:46,600 crazy. On it's it's not I said. It probably has to do with 1204 01:43:46,640 --> 01:43:51,079 the fact that mommy and daddy have old ears, and daddy's been playing loud 1205 01:43:51,199 --> 01:43:57,560 music for a really long time, so that's probably why we can't hear it. 1206 01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:00,640 But even even more, Anna couldn't hear it for a while, and 1207 01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:03,800 so the kid was just like, what good all day? I hear it. 1208 01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:11,720 It's okay, kid, I totally understand and I sympathize. I'm like, 1209 01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:15,000 yeah, yeah, welcome to my world. Only minds usually seeing things, 1210 01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:20,840 not hearing things. And yeah, yeah, poor kid, Well, 1211 01:44:20,880 --> 01:44:25,680 do you have anything else you want to pop out before we go, because 1212 01:44:25,720 --> 01:44:29,399 if we keep going, I'm going to ask you about other things. And 1213 01:44:29,960 --> 01:44:32,960 yeah, I'm just gonna have to come back. Yeah, yeah, you're 1214 01:44:33,239 --> 01:44:38,319 always welcome. As I say to everybody, I don't think I've ever not 1215 01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:43,600 said it to anybody, which means I have all good guests. Yeah, 1216 01:44:44,279 --> 01:44:46,600 well, I still need to interview you about the Hero project. Yep, 1217 01:44:47,119 --> 01:44:53,119 you do? You do? So I'll I will get with you then and 1218 01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:55,760 you can always come back. I'll see if I can get more gonna too, 1219 01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:58,399 because she she would have a lot of fun with you. She always 1220 01:44:58,439 --> 01:45:03,079 likes talking with other West Virginians and being like, hey, how's it going. 1221 01:45:04,079 --> 01:45:09,119 Perfect, excellent. Well, thank you very much, thanks for having 1222 01:45:09,159 --> 01:45:13,359 me. Well that's all for this week's episode of the Six Degrees of John 1223 01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:17,079 Keel podcast. If you have any questions or thoughts about the podcast, or 1224 01:45:17,119 --> 01:45:21,239 would like to come and talk about your experiences of the paranormal, you can 1225 01:45:21,359 --> 01:45:28,800 contact us at six d j K six seven at gmail dot com. We 1226 01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:32,159 promised to even answer you and we are always happy to hear from you. 1227 01:45:33,159 --> 01:45:33,560 Thank you,