Welcome back to Raised by Giants Christmas Roundtable Special and a happy merry Holiday Christmas
to everyone that is listening and everyone in the chat. Welcome any moderators or
members to the Christmas Roundtable Show Discussion Special, the last live video from this
channel this year, and I'm really looking forward to it. And what better
way to end the year than a roundtable Christmas special. Gotta love the end
of the year with those specials. Baby So introducing first philosopher and researcher in
a cult and esoteric studies, Wayne Steiger. Welcome back to the show,
my friend. How's it going going fantastic? And thank you writer. I
mean it is a special special day, so Happy Solstice to you as well.
Where's your ugly Christmas butter? Wayne? You know I forgot the memo.
I mean I didn't get the memos like damn it. And I do
have a good candidate too. Next up we have Nina the Mystic from the
Nina and the Mystic YouTube channel. How's it going, Nina's good to see
you, my dear. I'm doing good. Thank you for having me writer,
no problem, really looking forward to the discussion. We're gonna have a
lot of fun, really laid back discussion here this evening with the Next up
on the panel is Robert V from the Milky Way Soul Tribe. Welcome back
to the show, Robbers. Good to see you, my friend. Hey,
how you doing. Good to be here. Good to be here hopefully
if everything prevails and no technical issues happen, but you never know. But
welcome everyone. It's good to see you guys, and happy that you all
can make it. Ryan Gable maybe joining the show here later on. So
is it just me, guys, or is this December not decembering like other
Decembers have decembered? Like things are. Things are strange out there, and
it's interesting because Christmas like seems like the only time of the year when all
of the religions just put aside their differences and you know, collectively decided to
celebrate Paganism. True, that's true. I think Christmas hasn't been the same
in quite a few years. It's been it's been dwindling. You know that
it's not the same Christmas parades and the same Christmas lights, and you know,
I mean maybe in the cities or something, but I think that the
poor folks, they get poorer they and they're forgetting all about it. It
was good. I would say, I live out in the country and the
the general mood and the stores and what have you. It's the best word
I can use. It's subdued. Yeah, things are getting way more expensive.
When we did the Thanksgiving round table, there was more people out in
restaurants than there were. I was cooking a home because it was too expensive
to buy food to cook for the family, so they just opted to take
them out to eat. It's cheaper. Yeah. I didn't see anybody with
Christmas trees this year, you know, usually I see loads of Christmas trees
on trucks and Chris trees up in the stores. None of that. They
put up a few decorations a little bit and that's about it. I think
georgy of the homes here don't have Christmas tree and decoration and ornaments. So
I think it's it's slowing up. For like, like you said, the
economy is bad and they just can't afford to buy that tree. It's either
food or a tree, doesn't you know they celebrate too much. The kids
won't get any presents. You got to pick. Yeah, and for the
kids to have presents you go in debt for the next not the year,
for the next five years. I think everybody grinch and Crampis. Crampis is
a really interesting character, the opposite of Santa. But it is the solstice
we went I have right when the solstice happens, which I did not plan
that, but it is the beginning of the winter solstice. Would anybody like
to educate people on what the winter solstice is? And the Sun the son
of God cified. I think that's what it is. I mean, the
sun doesn't move back north until the twenty fifth I believe, is that correct?
And that is the pagan holiday of the rebirth of Earth. Because the
sun the days start getting longer, you know, And it works very well
in this whole, you know, Jesus Manger thing wise, men magicians.
I mean, you know, the story is pretty warped when you think about
it. But anyway, you know, I can't help but not think so.
If Mary, according to the custom of that air, she was probably
twelve thirteen years old when this immaculate conception happened. Something right with that story,
man, I mean, there's something wrong with her. It's just wrong
all the way around. I'm sorry. I digress. Yeah, I guess
it was a little bit more common to get married early back in those days.
I think sixteen was kind of the average age of getting married. But
yeah, it's still it's you know, it's a bit young, you know.
And the whole how she conceived that seems a little suspicious in all that't
failure no matter how you look at it. Either would have to be or
Gabriel whatever you want to, you know, Gabriels of Daddy then I guess
according to the Bible. But that the whole thing about it. So you
got angels that can actually get an erection. I mean, you know,
I know we're talking Christmas, but I mean, this is where the seed
come from or so they say. No, they actually they said it's that
it was the Holy Spirit. So this on the occult level is some really
deep necromancy taken place there. There's also many stories about this. I did
a bunch of research for my last show, and then it was about Jesus,
Joseph and Mary and Joseph. They couldn't make up their mind all the
research I did. If he was an old man, a young man,
a stonemason, or a carpenter. Well, there were no aers back then,
because there was not that wood was very scarce. Yeah, and if
he was a carpenter, well then he would have been a wealthy man to
afford the wood to make the whatever he's making. Wouldn't that not be possible?
Also, I read that Mary was orphaned or she was given up to
in like an orphanage or some kind of religious orphanage kind of thing, and
then an angel came and told him what to do. And when she got
old enough, they literally held a lottery by taking all the old men and
you know, pulling one out of a hat who had the old man who
had lost their wives. And Joseph was chosen and he didn't want to,
you know, take her, but they kind of you know, pushed it
on him and said, well, you're defining God, you know how that
goes far guilt and controlled matrix kind of thing going on. And then if
finally he did, and then he finds out that's she's pregnant, and then
an angel comes to him and says, hey, you know, so you
know what the I figured out? If this is kind of the thing that's
going on. These angels were working all this magic stuff, you know,
they were making all this happen. What was this plan? You know?
Was there more to it than what we know? That's the question if the
story's true at all. Yeah, there always is more to it than what
they say, right, So, well, it's just interesting to me because
isn't it. Why do we celebrate Jesus's birth if that's what Christmas is really
about, the celebration of Jesus his birth. Wasn't Jesus born in the summertime
or fall time? Like, why are we celebrating it in September? But
yeah, definitely not December. No, it's too cold. Got into it
because we've got the tree, well, the well the Romans have taken really
you know, back all that stuff, and then they piggybacked off all the
other religions. Of course Nimrod, who they already celebrated his birthday was on
the twenty fifth. Also the son god raw you know, his son you
know, would come back according you know, because of the solstice, you
know, so you've got a lot of events happening on that day. It
just seems natural that they would put it on that day to capitalize on all
these other events. That way, you know, if you're the top,
top of the frosting. All the other ones will go away, you know,
even though they lie with us underneath. You got to dig a little
bit to get to the juicy creamy center, you know what I'm talking about.
Yeah, but the vast majority of people don't give a rat ass about
that. It's all materialism. How many gifts I'm getting what? You know?
It's and that's the true worship going on. It's the materialistic God.
Yeah yeah, and that was created, uh you know, the materialistic thing
was created by the corporations that want to sell us things so they can write
Christmas cards. The modern phenomenon, by the way, yeah, exactly.
You know, Coca Cola was the one that drew up the Christmas sand and
they'll make him look the way he is, because he sure didn't quite look
that way before he was all that cocaine. Back in my day, there
was real cocaine and them coc cos. I know, no wonder you're getting
stuff done, Grandpa. That's why Rudolph has a red nose. The coke
before before the tiny reindeer, I guess he rode the goat. You know,
he wrote wrote a goat and or he had little dwarfs little black dwarfs
that helped him, you know, and he so you know, there's so
many uh myths about it, but it is only in recent years that it's
come to be he's a happy, jolly old elf that gives kids lots of
gifts and those if your naughty or nice. But back in the day,
he literally came around like a crampus. Do you uh you know you're not
he's gonna off with you. That's interesting. Yeah, Crampis movie is really
good. That's interesting that he wrote a goat in the beginning of what you're
saying, Robert, Yes, holy crap, where are we? Well?
I think that Pawns off of the North Legends with uh you know, had
a sleigh of goats, you know, so I guess it wouldn't be so
hard to you know, imagine that Santa would be riding a goat or having
a goat pull his sleigh, which would probably me a little more uh practical,
and going to the North Pole and trying round up the reindeer. And
you got to think, what's wrong with a species that's doing this stuff?
I mean, none of this is true, and yet it's so ingrained into
the program that we make it true. Well, now that we know more
like that whole crampis thing. To me, that sounds like a cover up
for child trafficking, snatching children, you know what I mean, Like that's
that's what it sounds like to me. That's so they've probably been doing that
all along, like since day one, but covered it up with oh well
I was Grandpa's or that was whatever. The witch, the wicked witch in
the in the forest, you know that kind of thing, like when you
think back, like all our stories, like it's all about the witches eating
children or you know, Pinocchio getting sent to Pleasure Island. I mean,
come on now, you know, like you know, like it's in your
face right with all these stories. Well, when you think about it,
the Christmas tree kind of looks like an erection, now, doesn't it.
That's a real bone. I don't know what to say, But what is
the real symbolism of the Christmas tree? What was that original symbol supposed to
mean? Do we know that? Well, it was to bring the greenery
in, was the rebirth, and it was to actually give thanks to the
earth because you know, within ninety days the earth would be once again teeming
with life. But what have you found, Robert. Oh, I'm trying
to pull up something here. It comes up with I think it's Norse or
you know, more of the Scandinavian. I have it right here. Let
me share. I'll share a picture with you. Share if you can figure
it out. Robert. Yeah, the evergreen is the only thing that's green
in that time of the year, and that the little red berries and stuff,
and that's kind of, you know, the only decoration we have,
you know. So here's here's Nimrod and uh, I don't know how I
found this picture, but he's I don't know if this any of this is
true, but yeah, and here's Santa with this Christmas tree. And here's
Nimrod with whatever the hell that is. I don't know, but it you
know, it doesn't look like a tree a Christmas tree, that's for sure.
But you know, he's got some kind of antelope here or something,
and you know, he looks like a you know, one of those Nephelem
gods or whatever they are, you know, inky or ang little or something
like that. I don't know who put this up, if it's true,
or if they made this up, but that's what I found there. You
go. But this is the tree. There's your tree right there. What
are those things? Almost looks like an ank a little bit m yeah,
or even the tree of life like yeah, I'm thinking more of the chef
rof you know that shepherd hook. Yeah, because I mean, you know,
that's interesting because Nimrod, we know that he was, you know,
an actual character or real god. They say that the legend says that he
became a nephelin. Well by that picture, that would put that right on
track, now, isn't it. Mm hmmm. Now here's the big one.
And this is what I couldn't figure out. And we talked about the
wise men. Now all the study I did, nothing happened with the wise
men. You know, was there three wise men? Where there's ten wise
men? Was there one wise man? Nobody seems to know. They know
they came from the east. But that's about it. But we you know,
as much as the Bible goes into detail about all all kinds of crap
things numbers and who was who old, and where so and so was and
how many years and everything, they couldn't tell you who the wise men were
or where they actually came from, just that they came and then but they
they could remember the things they brought them frankinsense, burr, and gold.
Those things seemed to stand out and be more important than who these guys were,
where they came from, or how many there were. So why is
that sounds like witchcraft? Me? Yeah, sounds like it's completely made up
and fictitious to me. I mean, frankinsense and murr in alchemy and in
casting spells, bindings and what have you, is you know, a powerful
It's why the church uses it. You know. The priest goes through and
carrying the frankinsense and mrr it says it this God, this yahweh. Whoever
the baby's as father is, I don't know. Did he ever pay child
support? By the way, But I digressed. So you know, it's
really odd because those are all elements that you use in conjuring and invoking mm
hm hm. But they still yeah, I really want to know about that
child support thing to you and anyway, And also those items are very expensive,
yeah, right, so they probably remembered it because it's old, very
expensive, you know. And then they did they really bring camels? Because
I thought camels were a more later introduction to the region that it was actually
horses that were used more in the East than it was anything else. I
don't know. Well in there and thought, you know, I looked up
the man and if you were these guys, would you actually come across the
desert or would you just take a boat and then come into the harbor like
around Gaza and then take a short trip, you know, like you said,
with burrows, donkeys, horses, whatever was available to rent to get
the bethele hand, you would problem if I don't know where they come from,
how can you be any place when you're no place at all? Yeah?
Map, Well where's that coming from? I don't know. Forty years,
that's what I want to know. For something I was supposed to take
seven days. The dude got lost for forty years. I mean around and
round they went. And then you had the whole star thing. So what
were we observing if if the event happened, So what cosmologically happened two thousand
years ago? Supposedly? Was there a comment? Was there? You know,
what was this star? If the star moved, then was it a
star or was it a spaceship? Yeah? Because maybe Jesus' story is more
of a story of an alien abduction and intrusion than it is about the Savior
of the world, peace on Earth. Ye. Well, if if there
was a star, somebody would have recorded it somewhere else, especially like the
Chinese who who recorded stars in astronomy for five thousand years, which had definitely
encompassed that time frame, or maybe even you know, yeah, nope,
I don't know. Well, we're making the whole thing on this one.
Don't let these guys near your kids. The only ones that'd seen the star
were the wise man. I do believe, if I remember correctly, when
I was into Christianity, when you look back into the astrology, there was
some kind of star around that time. I think there's a two hundred year
kind of leeway there, but there was some kind of giant star. But
I can't remember what it's called now. But yeah, because you're aways trying
to prove everything right when you're in there, and one of the one of
the UFO calleds claim the Star. I think it was a Unarious academy called
claim that the Star of Bethlehem was a UFO too. But we have a
host and author of the Secret Teachings, Ryan Gable, here joining us.
How's it going, Ryan, Brother Hey everybody. Thanks, Hey, what's
up, howdy. Yeah, we're just having a super laid back conversation about
the Christmas and the significance of Christmas. And I know you got a lot
of things to add as well. Ryan, you wrote a whole chapter of
a book on the history of Christmas. We're talking about right now, the
Star of Bethlehem and the Three Wise Men, and we just kind of roughly
went over the history of the Christmas tree and the symbolic nature of that.
And Christmas tree looks like a foulst dude, Christmas tree is a penis.
Fact, virtually everything about every holiday or holy day goes back to some form
of agricultural fertility festival, which also relates to human fertility. Christmas lights are
phallic. Yes, a tree is phallic. There's other meanings for it as
well. Virtually everything is fertility because that was the superstition, and that's the
great mystery of life, the Bride of Christ, the bridal chambers, of
the mystery schools, how two people come together procreate and birth a child.
It's all within the symbolism, as Paracelsus said, of the human body,
the divine feminine, the divine masculine, the alchemical transmutation of the two to
produce a third. That's the Holy Trinity. It's all fertility, all about
sex, dude, whole Bible, and it's one of the most what drives
us, you know, was still even when we got old, we're still
driven by that. I know. It's weird, very primal. What's also
interesting because Gabriel is actually a section of the moon, and Gabriel is known
as like the would show humans how to pro create, and it's just a
coincidence that Gabriel, Gabriel was the one that came to Joseph and Mary.
Right, they're showing them how to create a divine child without the need of
actual intercourse, I think anyway, so you think it was artificial examination that
was going on there with Gabriel, and then well, there's a way to
actually pro create without the need of ejaculation. That's the whole meaning of immaculate
conception. It doesn't mean that you don't have sex. It just means that
you have sex, but you don't uh orgasm into the woman and then you
create a child, and that that child is considered to be a divine child
because that child was born with the cleanliness without an orgasm. But isn't there
like pre come like? So I guess that's where the sperm came from them
if you didn't exactly, I don't know all the details, you know,
I don't know the details. To see that Giorgio Sucolo's hair, Oh yeah,
it is a little lot under here. I might take it off.
I don't know. The whole story of Noah, you know, is that
Noah was conceived by immaculate conception. You know, his he actually illuminated in
his skin was irradiant. Yeah, I don't know, you know the story.
A lot of these stories are identical in nature. As Joseph Campbell pointed
out, the whole story of Noah is in the ark. The arc is
a symbol of the human body, and the old Jewish story it was actually
a large body or Adam Cadman as the Jews call it, or the Cupalists
call it, the first man who was inside of the ark and Noah.
He couldn't fit inside the ark. There were depictions of this man inside the
arcs like a coffin. But since he couldn't fit into the ark, when
all the animals and whatnot got on the ship. He would be on the
top and Noah would reach up to him through a little porthole and he would
feed him. That's at least the original story, and it symbolizes, at
least according to Joseph Campbell and a handful of other mythologists and philosophers, it
symbolizes the higher self, and the porthole is the pineal gland that we reach
up through in contact with our higher self. And that story is told in
virtually every culture. The Hindu faith or in India, they have the idea
of putting the child into the basket on the river. That is the story
of Moses on the river being raised in the Egyptian Palace. And it's the
same story that we find in the story of Sargon, which is a very
famous story being put into the basket. It's basically the story of us the
soul in the bodily bodily physical container. And it's interesting, you guys are
talking I pop in here and you're talking about pre come and sperm. It's
funny, but it's also true. The name Osiris, who is related to
Orion's belt as an Orion the hunter, the Great Hunter. Orion originally means
sperm, because he's the green Man of agriculture like Santa Claus, and he
impregnates the female Earth and that's what gives birth nine months later to the harvest
that we take in and we have our final feast of the year, the
last sepper, eat the body, drink the wine, drink the blood,
and then we wait for everything to resurrect again after it dies in the wintertime.
So yeah, it's all connected to fertility, sperm and everything else.
It's fascinating. You guys ready to send to a Ryan? Guys, are
you ready? Crazy? We're going to a Ryan. We just got to
get inside of the pyramid, get inside of the portal, and we'll blast
off to o Ryan because you know where the portal is, because you know,
I don't know where it's at. If you know where it's at,
we'll have to follow you into the portal. Yeah, you guys, just
follow me. I got everyone's back. I'll make sure you get we go
before you Right. See, it's gonna look something like we're gonna be walking
into like the ocean, right, but it's not going to be the ocean.
We're gonna open up a hatch and then we're all just gonna kind of
jump in and it's gonna look like a water portal and then we just kind
of go into the water and then boom, we're out. O Ryan,
which archangel told you that, Michael, Michael, he told me earlier.
I got to take Yeah, m hm, well the way this planet's going
right now, I'm sure a lot of people would follow you there, writer.
You know, we're starting raised by Giant's writer le Cult, We're gonna
stand I tell you the next level royals down to where there is no god,
there is no savior. That what really this is about was the natural
progression and evolution of a Homo genus species. That it really was about survival,
and the survival was then turned into the midst of the gods that were
never seen but yet we're always talked about. And subsequently, as we continue
to move forward, these stories take on a Agregore type personality and then they
become actually interwoven into the very thought process of who what we are as quote
unquote a modern man. I think we should add to that too. That
and I think a good example is the Titans. The stories of the Titans.
The Titans are gods, They're not real beings, but they're personifications of
natural disasters. So it's how our ancestors quantified and cataloged and tried to understand
and explain the way that the natural world worked. So they personified natural disasters,
They personified natural events, phenomenon, etc. As being godlike or in
some cases monsters that causing men's destruction. It's funny because we've popularized things like
that with like Godzilla and all these new stories today. And I agree with
you, they do become agrigoric or they are originally agregoric tulpa like thought forms,
and we turn them into our own thing today. We look at them
as myth and they are. We look at them as part of pop culture,
and they are. But I think it's fascinating at the origin point of
all of this whenever and wherever that is. It's really a form of science.
It's a form of scientific observation of nature, trying to quantify how the
natural world works. So we might dismiss it all these people were primitive and
ancient. Well, they create pretty sophisticated myths and ideas that really were scientific
observations of the natural world, and they persisted a whole lot longer than probably
much of the stuff that we're creating today, which will probably be gone in
a couple of generations, but these stories persist on indefinitely in my opinion.
Good good point on that, Ryan, because if you think about the chronology
of the existence of let's say, Homo sapiens particularly, we're really not sure
what that window is. I mean, some say could be up to several
hundred thousands of years, maybe a little shorter. The point being, we
are really kind of very new on the scene, and it's very apparent that
we have amnesia as a species. We don't know where we came from,
and so we try to take what you said from the observer point of view
and then try to make sense of an environment that apparently we're still trying to
understand, which we call science, which is basically magic too. You use
that word taken over, you know, that's what it is. It's the
same stuff, you know. Actually, it's interesting you say that because in
regard to how these stories formulate and how they've been preserved, and how we
still tell them today, and we use the archetypes, and that's why movies
like Lord of the Rings and Star Wars are so powerful. Whether people realize
that or not. As Joseph Campbell even said about George Lucas, that's why
Star Wars was so powerful because he inherent landers with the archetypes. But when
these stories were created, certainly and probably not with intention to make it to
twenty twenty three, let's say, but they are magical in the sense that
they are formulated, and then different cultures interpret them differently and have different names,
and they combine together and we have all this contextual cultural history. The
point of what I'm getting out here in regard to magic is if I try
to manifest something and think about something and try to bring it into existence,
you know, maybe I can do that, maybe I can't do that.
It's all a matter of definition. But our ancestors were able to create things
that have literally survived for so long they've become their own entities. And that's
why I mean, I don't know about any of you, but like for
me, I've spoken to a lot of ceremonial magicians who practice magic. It's
all very positive and prayer based, and they focus on these ancient gods because
they call them reservoirs of energy because so many people have said their names enchanted
and burned incense and prayed to them so many thousands of years. They're these
just very strong energetic symbols that resonate down through the ages and it's like a
form of magic. You've created it and sent it out and it survives today.
We call that frequency. You know, it's you know, in fact,
I think you can be it is said that the Incas used the same
thing it was in the Egyptian it's voice frequency harmony opens up gates and you
know you were talking earlier as well. I think Peter Jackson I have to
add to that as well with lucas you know, with the Lord of the
Rings and the Hobbit series. Understanding that this world that we live in is
actually multiply layered dimensionally, and that this is now the time of man.
But the time of man has not always been the time of man, nor
will it always be. Yeah. Actually, the funny thing, as you
mentioned that, I was reading about the Golden Age in Japan, the Age
of the Kami, and there a Japanese historian who talked about how the age
of the Kami, which means a lot of different things. It means spirit,
it means God, it means the soul, so that the age of
the Kami or the Golden Age in Japan was not an age of actual gods,
but that humans are essentially godlike or humans are essentially kami. So the
original human civilization that developed, whenever and whenever that was and however that happened,
was the age of the gods, like the first development of civilization,
as we understand it was the age of the God. But that doesn't mean
that aliens or some divine figures we're here on earth. It just means the
first development of culture, et cetera. Those things are part of the Age
of the Gods, and every culture has that concept as well, the different
ages gold, silver, or whatever the case might be wherever. That is
just an interesting note. Yeah, it's really interesting too because I've always wondered
in me and Wayne have talked about this several times, is like why would
like why when you call upon you know Jesus's name, or you say the
Lord's prayer, why does that work? Or all these negative entities or all
these demons all Christian It doesn't make any sense, but it makes way more
sense in the agregoric aspect that everyone has put their positive energy into this being,
whether he was a real being or not. They've put all of their
energy and their thoughts and their positive energy into this figure, so therefore it
kind of overrules everything. I don't know if that makes sense. A lot
of potential. Note, We've all seen the stories of you know, seventy
eight year old woman being robbed and she comes out using the name of Jesus
against the robber, and the robber within two to three minutes is on his
knees crying, begging for her forgiveness, having come out of that religion.
It's it's the fact that you believe inside so intently that that name has a
sacredness to it that just by invoking it, that it's going to have this
effect. And whether it's Jesus, whether it's Allah, whoever it may be,
it's the fact that we, as god like as we are, we
believe that I could say that I'm going to use the name of Writer Lee
and I could go out and begin to heal people on that. Well,
people would go and then who is Writer Lee? Well, I could say
that Writer Lee is the new Christ. Maybe I am Wayne, get me
in there. I mean, I'm really feeling it. I'm just telling you
they got had off as a crown of thorns and everything. It's that third
eye that I'm worried about. Cover that bad boy up real quick. Don't
want you guys know who I really am on Did you guys talk about the
colors of Santa's clothing and what that relates to? That isn't any kind of
a cult. Have you seen the old courts? What they were wearing in
the old course is exactly what they were wearing. Yeah, and there's the
white, you know, the red and the white southers. In my opinion,
it's not explicitly from the fly grey mushroom. Certainly, shamanism played a
major role in many Christmas traditions. But yes, and I don't remember the
exact history of what you're refering too, but you're right there is with certain
dress and quartz. I remember reading about that. But his robes used to
actually be blue or green because as we were talking about Osiris earlier, Osiris
is the green man and Santa's the green man. Santa brings gifts from the
woods, he brings fruit. Orange slices are very popular, but that's where
a lot of that comes from. So blue, green and then red primarily
from Macy's and Coca Cola, but also a little bit from from northern shamanism
as well. This is that that those that's the only greenery we have,
like the evergreens and those little red berries. That's the only thing that we
got outside at that time of the year. So we bring it in to
make it as ornaments. And I think that's where the red probably color comes
from. However, the court system. Yeah, and when I saw that,
I'm like, oh my god, it looked like a bunch of santas
in there. It's like so weird. You Ryan, We're talking about the
green aspect of it. And that's what the Egyptian got horse was. He
was depicted as being green, the renewal of life and work with vegetation,
with all of that was was there a breakdown? You think there was a
breakdown of civilization or a collapse of civilization, and those people went out and
labeled things they wanted passed with names, you know, kind of like a
you know, making of a myth or a rhyme, you know, ring
around the rosy kind of things. You know, Mary had a little lamb.
There's all these little things in there that we don't know what they mean,
but somebody will figure them out or they know, you know, but
the little kids remember them, and maybe that's why they labeled these things with
the names. You know, the god of blah blah blah represents greenery.
You know, this god represents that, This God represents this. And even
though you don't know what, you would have forgotten these things, but now
that you have some label on it. But then somebody twisted it and then
said, now you need to pray to that. Could that have happened?
Mud Fossil University says that, you know, it's happened to us many times.
That modern man is really a product of multiple catastrophes and the fact that
we don't want to remember that's why we hide the very clues right in front
of us, because of the impact it had upon us as a species,
that psychic what would you call turbulence of these catastrophes, it's it's I mean,
you think about the Tartarnians, what were they these mud flows that they
had that apparently back in the eighteen hundreds, early nineteen it's very interesting.
Christianity just throw this in. Modern Christianity is only about five hundred years old.
But people are convinced that this is a religion that's been around for two
thousand years, and that's not correct. That's because they lied to us,
tacked on a thousand years. Yeah, a few people understand as well that,
well, modern Islam is not, but the original Islamic faith developed out
of Christianity. So Islam is as much Christian as it is ultimately Jewish.
It's a weird thing today because people think that Muslims have this totally different belief
system, and perhaps in terms of like pop culture, entertainment, media,
politics, propaganda, they do. But Muslims, if I've read the Quran,
the Quran says very similar stuff to the Bible. They believe in Mary,
they believe in all the figures. They believe in Jesus very strongly.
The Muslims and the Jews believe essentially the same thing about Christ, and they
believe pretty much the same thing as the Christians. The only major it's Ishmael
and Isaac. That's the difference, and that they believe Christ was not the
son of God. It's really about it. They all believe pretty much the
same thing, pretty much the same. It is unbelieved that Christ was actually
Lucifer's son. I've heard this interpretation. I think that Lucifer, the Devil,
and Satan are two or three completely different. There is another verse.
I think it all has to do. I think Manly Hall explained it the
best where he talked about Lucifer is more of a dazzler of materiality, so
that associates Lucifer more so with Saturn a necessary evil. Lucifer is in a
sense like Santa Claus, because he is the grand architect with the beard or
the grim reaper or the Ancient of days or whatever you choose to call him.
The devil is more of like an inversion of life, so it's a
necessary death as well. So l I ve e e v I L and
version reversed. And then of course Satan is the adversary, which you find
that in Arabic and Hebrew. He's just an oppositional force which is also a
necessary evil. But these forces are hot and cold. These forces are parts
of our psyche and parts of our emotional state. And that's why the devil
is here on the one shoulder and the angels here on the other shoulder.
It's things in our own head and our temple here at the Golgotha, the
skull. We're all the devil inside you, and you talk about Lucifer.
Actually, it's odd because that that whole Egergore was Jerome's invention. It was
his imagination that he put down and from those simple words of a being that
didn't exist prior to Jerome. When he added that into the Book of Isaiah,
it didn't exist tradge. We're all convinced that this Lucifer plays a major
role in our religion, in our very social structure. The devil made me
do it. This is all the influence of evil where I'm pretty much in
my esoteric studies, we are the evil, we're the savior too. It's
as easier as for us to focus on things outside because there's basically you advocate
the position of responsibility. But that's just me. I agree with that last
point, especially advocate responsibility. It's looking for an external savior, something external
vicarious atonement through something else. I was stunned when I started reading. I've
been reading a lot more and researching for years and about Japanese mythology. Nobody
really has any clue how old the Japanese stories are because most of the stuff
was written down in terms of like clan leadership and politics just a few hundred
of one thousand or so years ago. But the Japanese story of Ama Terasu
another thing. A lot of people like, oh, every god is male
and the female isn't worship anywhere. That's not at all true. Japan is
entirely based on Ama Terasu. All the main shrines are Ama Terasu female goddess
shrines, and she is a personification of the Sun, and her story is
much much older than Jesus, and it is identical to the Christ's story.
She goes into a tomb for three days, she's resurrected. So, in
regard to what Wayne is saying, we attempt to put ourself, especially historically,
in alignment with things that are much more powerful and larger than us.
So we align ourselves with all the cycles of the Sun, of the Moon,
the different planetary spheres, whether conceptually or because we could see them at
least, we have this idea of these different planets in different gods and they
control different aspects of nature, etc. So we try to put ourselves in
alignment with that. So we are going through the same process that the Sun
goes through. It dies and is resurrected. We do that every year,
just like nature does, just like the sun does, just like the moon
goes through its cycle each month. We put ourselves in alignment with that,
hoping that we sympathetically draw on that immense power and that life, and that's
what drives human civilization and culture for it. As far as I'm concerned,
well articulated, how old does that Japanese culture and belief system go back?
Because I believe that Hinduism is the old is religion today five thousand years,
it dates back to I think Hinduism is immensely older than five thousand years.
In some form, it might not be Hinduism as we know it. The
Japanese story, nobody knows. Japan's peculiar because Japan has been locked off from
the rest of the world up until relatively recently after the Meiji Restoration. Prior
to that, there were certain Dutch ships that went to Japan, but it
was very rare, like Japan was very closed off. But it's really even
doubly peculiar because when you start getting into Japan opening up, turns out,
although they adopted a lot of mythologies and stuff from around the world. A
lot of their beliefs were already identical to what other cultures practiced, Like the
practice of opening the mouth of the dead in Egypt was also practiced in South
America, and it was also practiced in Japan. But this was way before
Japan was Japan. This is like before even there were clans in Japan.
We're talking thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago. So it kind of
suggests to me, and this is pure speculation, especially when you look at
Shintoism, which is Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism, which comes from India.
Somebody clearly took a lot of information to Japan a long, long time
ago, long before Japan became Japan, and it's almost acted as like an
incubator and a preserver for a lot of ancient traditions that otherwise have been lost
to history. They're an intimate part of Japanese culture even today, and at
least that's my assessment from what I've read, and I found that to be
really interesting. I'm like, they have the same practice of opening the mouth
in Japan that they had in ancient Egypt and ancient meso America. Like,
what are the chances of that. So there either had to have been some
widespread, interconnected culture or humans just truly do see the world so similarly that
we developed the same rituals. And maybe there's a little bit true to both
of those things. I have no idea. I just find it fascinating.
I don't know what to make of it. Well, and Raw isn't he
depicted as a green god as well from ancient Egypt and a some disc He
rides the solar boat just like Ama Terra Sushi as a solar boat mom,
and Raw has the solar boat as well as do countless. See that can't
be just coincidence, you know, from a layman's I as I look as
an observer and saying, so we have vast distances that apparently, you know,
primitive man would not have been able to traverse, you know, well,
unless you take this Amaran point of view that they invented the sale.
But nevertheless, it seems like there is this commonality of customs practices that can
be found in cultures that span the chronology of our existence. And that just
tells you get the feeling it's almost like we're being manipulated. You can't let
one culture get too far advanced in one particular way, because eventually you'll see
that it shows up in another place. It's it's very odd. I mean
it, I don't know, you know, is there's true consciousness? Is
it like Mars? You know? Is it the big Eye? I mean
the big egg? I don't know. Some people referred to it, maybe
as the hundred monkey experiment. One person learns something. It could also be
that, and it doesn't have to be like an immense civilization that was global
and had internet. It just means that people were more connected and had an
understanding. Perhaps we know that's for sure about a lot of cultures, the
Phoenicians, for example, masters of the Ocean, like the Templars. There
is physical abundant evidence that the Joman culture of what we call Japan and Japan,
which preceded the Yayoi. They actually found pottery of the Joman in Brazil
and a couple of other places, which is way way way far away from
Japan. And when the Joman existed, we're talking, they were supposed to
be hunter gatherers who didn't do anything except gather and hunt, and yet they
their pottery is more sophisticated than later cultures that supposedly were more advanced. And
not only that, but if you go to Hokkaido in Japan, I haven't
been there. When I'm planning to go the Joman Museum, they actually had
the oldest pottery in the world is Joman pottery, or at least what's been
found. It's sixteen thousand and five hundred I think it's sixteen thousand, five
hundred BC, and sophisticated pottery for that time period that goes back before the
younger Driyat And that's yeah. I was going to say, you're you're talking
pre Golbi Tepia of the Comet. Oh yeah, this is yeah, you
see, and it goes to show you how this whole we're talking about Christmas
and how this goes full circle. But this is so revalent to the conversation
because it is the fact the foundations are the tenets of how we arrive today
within our culture. It's fascinating. I mean, you know, and didn't
they find in Bolivia Messopatonian architects artifacts that they still can't quite figure it out
how they got there. I'm uncertain of that story. I'd have to look
that up. You also have the Grand Canyon as well, Grand can I
don't know how much truth there is that whole Grand Canyon story, but it
is definitely interesting. You know, about the Green King, there had been
a catastrophe or something, and and collapse of civilization, which quit things,
you know, traveling across the oceans. And if they had advanced pottery,
wouldn't they have had advanced boats or advanced you know, other things besides that.
I mean, and and you're talking about pottery and things being found.
Well, I study the Native Americans and and uh, they've had you know,
pieces of stuff from Mesopotamia too. They you know, little little amulets
or whatever. Uh, you know that they carried around with them for centuries,
passed down. I believe Native the Native Americans. I don't know how
many different groups, but I know that the Kree language. I've heard this
from Canadian more than one Canadian friend of mine. They say that the Kree
language is really similar to Japanese, which is different than ancient Japanese. But
modern Japanese people can actually have mild interactions with Cree people because the language is
so similar. So some that makes some people think that perhaps, I mean,
whether it's a land bridge or what Yeah, the land bridge is immediately
when I was thinking that, yeah, Or did they traverse the ocean,
Well, the Joman clearly got I mean, or someone came to ancient Japan
and took the pottery to south to South America or something to that effect.
I guess. Also you'd have to look at the fact that the uh I
mean the communication between cultures. You know, we have like physical evidence of
not just the Joman stuff, but like in Egypt, next to the Great
the Great Great Pyramid of Kufu as we call it, they found, and
this is mainline history, they found massive seafaring boats that not only were they
seafaring and like they were water tight, they could have went on the they
also were uh they were they could break them apart and take them in pieces
to wherever they wanted to take them. That's mainline history. So the Egyptians
have these immense boats that were seafaring, they were able to take them apart,
put them back together, and they're in as good condition, almost as
in good condition today like mummies, as they were they when they were built.
They still from what I understand and what I've read, I could be
wrong, they still could float over that long of a time span. So
I mean that piece of evidence, mixed with so much more stuff shows you
that certainly these people were not primitive in the way that we believe. And
perhaps the reason all these Christmas traditions and all these things about the Green Man,
the reason that they're sustained is because they're they're universal no matter where you
live. You live in Japan, or you live in the Middle East,
or you live in the America's I mean, for the most part, the
seasons change, and we identify those seasons and personify them as the four horses
of the apocalypse, or as the Green Man, or as witches do in
parts of the UK. Still the Holly King and the Oak King that rule
half the year each and then they slay each other like was Cyrus and set.
These are universal things. And I think just Campbell said it best.
He said that the reason these things persist is because not only the foundation of
culture, but all these different stories they're all observations of the natural world.
And it doesn't matter what language you speak, what your culture is, you
know what you like to what you like to eat, you still are living
in the natural world. So they're going to be pretty universal in nature.
And that could also mean that there doesn't have to be an ancient loss civilization.
We just naturally see the same things and call them something different. And
it could be that our species is a species that collectively we look for a
reason for hope. You know, we as a species are so abused,
and this is just my observation. We batter each other, we're battered by
outside influences and invisible influences. And it may be the true that it may
be the only time of the year, that may moment of time that humanity
can be united. And if there's a hope that we can find one day,
whether it's a baby Jesus and a manger, a Santa Claus or Christmas
tree, maybe it's that element of hope and that's why we all focus in
on it. And no matter what our diverse opinions are, we still find
unity in the thought, Well, if we could just treat every single day
like it's Christmas, then I think we would be all right. All expression,
you can do that in one hand, and then yeah, you know
which, because it seems like people are very generous around Christmas time, and
then like the day after. It's kind of like, you know, after
church on Sundays, you go that till next year, and then the next
day I'm out at the bar drinking and doing all this stuff. You know.
It's kind of it seems. Yeah, instead of Merry Christmas, it's
up yours man. Yeah, right back at you day after on Tuesday,
they're going to be right back at it. The kids look a deer.
I need some rednecks that, you know. Their whole idea of stand in
the reindeer was free dinner, you know, was their opinion. Oh,
I'm sorry, right, go ahead. No, I was just gonna have
you mentioned some of your research into Lilith for Wayne. Wayne has done a
lot of research and things into Lilith, and we were talking about this the
other day on the phone, about the callers that Lilith would wear, and
then that correlating to uh Quatzacadal as well the rainbow serpent. God. Yeah,
I'll try to be very brief. I don't want to hijack the whole
conversation, but yeah, Lilith and I didn't know that I was reading a
random encyclopedia because I was doing some research for a new book, and it
says in the Encyclopedia that Lilith wears a rainbow necklace, and I just thought
that that was peculiar, didn't think much about it. I didn't even think
much about the significance of the rainbow in regard to that. And the more
I was reading, I was writing this chapter from my book about the concept
of demons and what they represent, and then I started to realize reading and
referencing all these other books for my book, I sort of realized, like,
wait a minute, the cult adherence to Lilith and a number of other
demons Galo Mormo. These are like Greek and Roman demons la Mia, which
is a vampire. They all have very similar commonalities to certain political movements today.
For example, in these groups, the women would try to be masculine.
They would care literally, they would carry around fake penises with them and
not for fertility festivals. They would utilize the rainbow as a symbol of their
cult, which is why Lilith wears the rainbow necklace. And then you get
into a little bit more You're like, well, what could the rainbow represent
that context, It's like, well, it's a it's a comment between man
and God in parts of the like in Scandinavia, it was the bridge that
the gods used to get to Earth, to get to Asgard. In Japan,
it was the bridge that is anogging. Is Anami stirred the primordial waters
on to create humanity, and then they pulled the they pulled the spoon up
and the droplets dropped down into the ocean and formed the Japanese islands. So
it's a bridge to heaven. But Lilith is a demon of the underworld,
and she's a temptress, and she's the abort of children. So it's a
it's a bridge to the abyss in regard to Lilith. So you have the
abort, the temptress, promiscuity, the murdering of children, that the tempting
of men, like physical, actual masculine men, the tempting of them to
steal their sperm to create demons. That's what she does. And then you
have the rainbow. And then you have her cult adherents that literally carry fake
penises with them, And I thought, wow, that sounds pretty damn similar
to some social political movements today. I don't know by will, but that's
kind of peculiar. So that's that's what I found. Yeah sure, yeah,
yeah, the rainbow at the rainbow collar hair. Women who wear the
rainbow and probably carry around some of those fake things you were talking about,
that old nose, old back to the back to the fertility thing again all
comes back to it always does it really does. I mean that's what the
Green Man is all about, fertility, bringing those You should read the Library
Lilith by Donaldson. That it uh, it will it will give you a
new perspective on Lilith. My family name, which just goes all the way
back into Germany. A distant relative was probably the last person known to try
to actually have full uh intercourse with Lilith in both the corporeal and the ethereal.
So it's but it's a it's a book worth reading. It's quite illuminating.
I will sincerely look it up. That one's interesting, something I haven't
read. Look, you Stone brings up something interesting. Greek and Roman god.
Greek and Roman demons are not Christian demons. Well, if it can
work for the opposite way around, you could. Yeah. I think these
guys all have the same resume. They're just changing the dates. Yeah,
so what are you It's like, Yeah, we brought that up on my
show the other day about the calendar and that you know, maybe maybe the
calendar is all messed up. You know, maybe Christmas should be the twenty
fifth, should be like New Year's and or you know, the months should
be switched around, because none of it actually makes any sense, need to
be tweaked anyhow. The ancient Celts would celebrate New Year's on November first,
after the falling of the veil for Halloween. Isn't there another culture that it
was in the springtime? Yeah, the seven seventh yep, I think so.
Yeah, And I believe the Chinese and a number of different South Asian
countries, Yeah, they have the Hungry Ghost Festival sometime in the summertime,
and that's kind of like they're Halloween where the ghosts roam the earth. And
all the interpretations, whether they're Celtic, Chinese, whatever, they all make
sense to their respective you know cultures. They're all related, the sure are
Yeah, it all is conversation. This has just been fascinating. I I
was gonna go back to like the whole you know, like Satan or whatever.
I don't think Satan existed, Okay, I think Satan, like you
said, adversary. That's what it says the Book of Enoch actually plural Satans.
We all have them in our lives, you know, but then somehow
you know the church, you know, and then you know, yeah,
if a lot of people are fearful, or a lot of people are maybe
even worshiping, this thing is now become a thing. It's you know,
because some people do say that they have met Satan or whatever, they work
with Satan or whatever. So it's become a thing now, I guess,
because you know, same with Jesus. You know it met Jesus. Well,
he's probably become a thing too now because we'veated it with all our worship
and or fear whichever. It's the same energy essentially, you know, and
and made it so, you know, so exactly thought for the antithesis.
Otherwise their progenitor doesn't have a chance to be the hero. That's true.
You cannot have one without the other. That's why I find it. It's
so asinine and bizarre that the Satanic Temple with a straight face put on their
website where satanists but we don't believe in Satan, and wet a video about
this, because what the hell are you doing. Yeah, both of the
don't believe in Satan. So there you go, folks. You know Christians
actually believe in Satan more Yeah, yeah, that's a great point, Ryan,
because you know at our Sunday services we heard more testimonies of how the
devil was beating everybody else up and you know, pray for us. You
know you're going, I thought the guy was defeated. What the hell is
he doing? Now? The archangel we got money off of it, you
know, because we're going to ease your burdens. Now pay up. As
writer knows, the archangel Michael has been busy. He couldn't be fighting the
devil. He's teaching people how to make those yeurine baths right that we call
it golden shower up here. But I don't know about you. Can I?
Can I respond to the demon comment about the Greek and the Romans?
Yeah, so, universally speaking, I disagree with that statement, although I
would have to objectively ask the person what what they mean by demons, because
the like demon is Greek. The word demon is Greek comes from Damon,
which is both did he spell it? Okay? So yes it is.
That's at least where our word comes from yeah, so so like in other
cultures, they have different names for it. But I find this really interesting.
I'll keep it very short and quick to the point. So what do
we do when we want to get rid of a demon? We exercise the
demon. Traditionally, demons were seen as illnesses and sicknesses, and whether they
were performing in Egypt or Greece or even in places like Japan, the samurai
would cut the air above a sick person's head and it would sever the connection
to the demon, so they perform samurai performed exorcisms. Egyptian priests performed exorcisms
with water from the Nile, a baptismal rite to put out the to put
out the fire of the demons, and that's there's ritual scrolls that talk about
that in Egypt and even in Greece as well. But the point is,
we exercise demons like we exercise to keep healthy. And that's what the demon
really is. It's a sickness of the mind, maybe like the Lilith cult,
although Lilith is not all negative, but it's a sickness of the mind.
It's a sickness of the body. We're really sick. We don't really
feel good. Nowadays, everything's COVID. Back then it was you're demonically possessed,
and so you would try to make the person healthy. Baptismal type water
is holy water. You do all kinds of things that were ritualistic, you
know, say certain phrases, magical incantations, or you'd use the like the
apercadabra, which would apper cadabra abracadab and it would just get shorter and shorter
and smaller and smaller until the disease dissipates. Put that on a parchment,
put on the person's body, it would hopefully alleviate the disease. The point
is, demons, damons, whatever you want to call them, are personifications
of disease or crookedness or evil. And when you exercise to keep healthy or
exercise, the demon be gone. It's the same thing. Demons are universal
to every culture. They just basically illness and corruption in whatever form that takes.
And they go to church more than angels do. Apparently, so apparently.
So yeah, well, you know you got to have a good cop
and a bad cop, right, So that's what the church got going there.
They're working together. I mean again, I have one with the other.
So that's what people don't understand, you know, like, yeah,
I saw a lot of spirits demons, if you will, swirling up in
the church roof there. Yeah. Well, here's the consensus for how many
times Satan has been mentioned in the Bible is thirty eight times and thirty six
versus Lucifer only mentioned once, and the Devil never mentioned. There you go,
Devil never mentioned it. Sometimes it's a translation from Satan, but originally
Devil was never in the Bible. And then Lucifer was a mistranslation to from
morning Star. That was you know again Jerome, and I swear he was
eating mushrooms there. So pat mos, I mean just killing the god goes
and lives in cesa Ria the cave for something. Ye okay, maybe because
yeah, anyway, Actually, the whole Garden of Eden's story is like an
ayahuasca trip because the depictions and descriptions of Lilith, the first woman was a
red haired woman, half human, half serpent. That's mother ayahuasca when you
take I mean, I've never taken it, but that's what I've seen in
paintings, half woman, half serpent, tempting you on the tree in the
garden that's what an ayahuasca experience looks like from paintings. MM. Interesting.
I've never taking it either, so I can't I can't say. But they're
all just tripping balls that you don't talk to burning bushes when you're sober.
I mean, come on, no, I mean, you know that's just
not the way. That nick some wine into that and you got yourself a
schmort never seen a burning bush myself on the line, But I dropped some
more in Sunshine and was talking to a girl that grew big ears and started
getting these green stripes like that lucky gum they used to have. I told
her, I said, you're one weird looking you know, all those all
these stories. It's so fascinating how this comes back around full circle because you
talk about what you guys are saying about about these just reminds me of like
the fairy lore and the and the Ufo lore, and how those things are
similar, but how fairies are basically little little elves, you know, little
helpers of Santa Claus. And that's partly where some of the tradition comes from
his shamanism. And so we're back to Christmas again. Little elves, little
helpers and Santa who in a mythological way. It is certainly not a physical
being. It's like a very esoteric and a cult concept that transcends time and
space and can be everywhere all at once. Well. Actually I grew up
in Norway and Santa in Norway. When we were growing up, it was
a small it still is over there, a small little elf like three foot
tall maybe that kind of thing. Uh, you know, And so we
used to set out I think a porridge for Santa. That's what we used
to do. And now you've got milk and cookies inside, but we used
to it just used to be in the barn, you know. So obviously
there was animals eating and whatever. But yeah, you go in the morning,
sure enough it's gone. Oh Santa was here? Are you reading this?
And as we call it there, But yeah, it was a short,
little elfy type of being. That's what Santa was or is over there.
So this whole this whole time of the year too. Like we when
I first came on, you guys were talking about the phallic nature of things.
And when you talk about like the ulog or the Christmas lights like you
have there on your head. Yeah, yeah, there they are little little
Chodes. This actually reminds me of the Liberty lady that you guys got in
the States. Lady Liberty. Is that what she wears on her head?
Yeah, some rays of sun, which I guess the lights are just the
same. Rumors have it that that's really Lilith, but who knows Lucifer?
So who knows you know, a light bringer? You know, well,
maybe Lucifer is more feminine than masculine. I believe so. Well, Lucifer
actually doesn't have a gender, so it is very beautiful beings you whatever you
want. But that, yeah, that's what Christmas and all this is really
about. It's non binary. Is that what you're saying, Nina, Yeah,
well I just want to make the right box. That's fluid. What
are you when you think of it? Though? The satro Liberty kind of
looks like, what doesn't this stand you? Liberty have a sash? Angels?
Yeah, she's Angelaus the light thing in her hand or her him.
I don't know what it is, but I often thought that Christmas sight still
remind me of the pine cone. There's a certain relationships. Pine Cones is
the decoration that we use at Christmas time because it's one of the only things
that are left out in the forest that we can find. Again, interesting
how the pine comb plays such a central role in so many religions. Well,
the third eye, right when you go and look at the Vatican,
the a pine cones everywhere, oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, or
the Pinal Glen. Some people Lady Lady Liberty, if you will, supposedly
more so based off of Lady Justindia, which is a Roman goddess, and
if you look at her, she holds the scales, but she also has
a sword, and she has that sash, and she has a very similar,
let's say, appearance to maybe even an archangel Michael, because Michael displays
evil, the dragon darkness, and this is what Justini it does. The
darkness slays injustice. And as a matter of fact, that's like Christmas,
Halloween. We have Jack o'lange for Halloween, we have candles for m Bulk
Easter is you know, the sun getting stronger during the equinox leading into the
summer solstice. It's really all about illumination and light in this and those types
of such and well that's yeah, that's kind of why I brought it up,
because it's also illuminating. Yeah, yeah, right, So it's not
something evil, you know, is ling the light of knowledge? Right?
Not knowledge? Wisdom and knowledge. Yes, and you'll you'll note if you
pay it close enough attention. If you want to see the devil, look
at the the Hite tarot deck which shows you L diablo and I don't know
if rider you want to bring this up. The L diablo card shows the
devil with horns that go up and point down. He holds the torch down
to illuminate the infernal, and his pentagram, which is the four you know,
the arms and legs and the head is the consciousness, which is why
o Cyrus is the head out of the wrapped mummy. It's the fifth point,
the fifth element, if you will. And so those four points are
actually inverted on El diablo, so that the pentagram pulls your attention downward to
where the flame goes. On the other hand, if you look at Baphomet,
Bafomet is a compositive male and female darkness and light, androgynous in the
sense of this universality. And that means that when the Lady Liberty holds the
torch upward, it's in no way, shape or form demonic unless you make
it demonic. It would be demonic. On the other hand, if the
torch was held downward, there's a huge difference in the symbolism there, and
that's important. There's so many different al Diablo too cards online, just the
Edward the White deck w A I T E L Diablo Old Yablo White Deck
vite w A. It's He'll have He'll be. Actually he's sitting on a
black cube, so that's Saturn or Santa Claus actually, and he has two
humans chained to the cube, which is our material bodies attached to the physical
world. And Christmas is all about you know what presence am I getting from?
Material? Kind of represent addiction, a lot of a lot of you
know, that card comes up. There could be addictions, chain two things,
you know, breaking free from you know, your your devil is your
addictions, whatever your vices are. You know, that's your devil, isn't
it? Yep? And it could just be it could also be the death
of something bad. Yeah, givee the death, which is you know,
a new beginning. You know the end of something is always the beginning of
something new, isn't it. Yea? Yeah, there's the devil card.
Yeah, I know, it's you know, it doesn't mean something bad,
right, it's just for listeners and viewers. Note the horns, the torch,
the black cube. So this is also interesting for saturn too and for
Christmas because the Romans celebrated Christmas as Saturnalia, right to mention that, Yeah,
Saturnalia, which is all about fertility as well, or or sex,
I should say, I don't know. Fertility was part of it, and
they called it. There's a lot of sex. One they called the lords
of this rule where things were inverted. And there's a lot of wordplay here
too, because the black box is also the box that the gift comes in,
or it's like you got a package to deliver sexually speaking, when it
comes to Christmas as a fertility things that are in the package. Yeah,
and look at all these big companies black boxes. All is like yeah,
okay, yeah the cob didn't They put horns on Moses too, and some
of the depictions, yeah, those were representing his wisdom. Yeah yeah,
yeah, horns, Yeah, that's where that comes from. And the juice
will blow the rams horn yeah right. Michael Angelo put horns on him,
and he's in other Greek positions with horns, and it's like, so is
there connection and and the horns are kind of represented just like the double horns
kind of a way they come up at the top of his head and kind
of, you know, curve around a little bit. So totally right.
That's the goat god Pond. And that's also the green Man once again.
That's it full circle Pan or Pan Pan Pan, Pond Pam And where do
you think he comes from? From? What I remember? The kids?
So you know the gal that anyway, yeah, Green. Did you guys
ever see Pond's Labyrinths? Yeah, with that Tom Cruise No, no,
not Tom's elthus in it. I don't know if you could pull up the
pictures for them. But Pond's Labyrinth it's a very occult story, and it's
actually telling the story the Greek story of Persephone who gets kidnapped by Hades into
the underworld and she has to stay there equal to the amount of time based
on what she ate. So she eats a fraction of a pomegranate and she
has to stay in the underworld for a third of the year. And that's
the story that Demeter gets so distraught her mother. Demeter gets so distraught that
she allows everything to die and that becomes the winter time. And then when
Persephone comes back to the surface, she allows everything to grow once again,
and that's the spring. And Persephone therefore acts as this kind of savior.
And you can see there what rider pulled up. That's the Paleman's layer.
The pale Man is the rake. He is a demonic like character. But
when she goes down there, they tell her not to eat any of the
food or she'll get trapped there in the underworld. That is a classical Greek
myth. She'll get trapped there. Same with the story of Orpheus and Iritis
as well, which is actually similar to the story of lat and his wife.
Don't look back, or you'll turn into a pillar of salt or sand
or smoke. M Yeah, that's right, King James Boom, I'm a
lama gang h. That's really interesting because I always wondered what that, uh
the story was all about the lady being turned into a pillar of salt.
I'm not to check that movie out. I think the original translation was smoke.
Wasn't it smoke? Smoke? I don't think it's salt. I think
it's sand or smoke or something. But well, the salts in the Bible,
you know, being turned into salt. But I don't know. I
read that that was I don't speak Greek or Hebrew, but I read that
that was a mistranslation too, But doesn't have any of those Oh yeah,
a verse word. Yeah, anybody's call the godspail. Yeah, that's right,
that's right, That's what it is. That book is so full,
especially he reads Psalms, that the Bible is so full of magical incantations and
ritualistic things. It's unbelievable that people hold that as a symbol of I'm fighting
against magic and this and that. It's like that book is essential book of
magic. Just not your dain, minister. I tell people in my fifty
years of Christianity was basically forty years of a initiation into the occult. Yes,
you is what you were exactly. I mean I laid hands I was
part of Kenneth Copeland and laying you know, the healing ministries and went to
prisons, preached in hospitals, laid hands on the sick, saw miracles take
place. Copeland he looks possessed when he's up there, like what he's a
powerful magician. Yeah, he's into some stuff that I don't think his congregation
is aware of, so let's put it that way. Yeah, that's why
he didn't want to be touched, because not being whatever was in him,
didn't want anybody touching him. That's true. I was many of the crusades.
You were not allowed to touch him. That's why just meditated on that
earlier today. Yeah, reminds me of what Christopher Lee, the actor said
about black magic. Did you ever see that interview with him? He was
asked about black magic, and he said, I've dabbled in it and I
know about it. He's like, my library is not as big as people
say that it is. But he said, I promise you that if you
deal with it, you will not only lose your mind, you'll lose your
soul. I recommend that you don't go anywhere near this type of stuff.
It's kind of interesting when like an actor or some famous person who we just
see as a celebrity says something like that. I've seen a lot of reason
like Hulk Hogan, Alice Cooper, big Christians, that's all in the news.
It's always interesting when they Koger said it was because he was afraid of
dying. I didn't read about. Is that why you said that? Why?
That's why most people, I think, are they that's going to save
them? Right? You know? Yeah, yeah, you guys. I
got the ticket. Man, I'm out of here. That's why when you
go to a church, it's a sea of blue hairs there. You know,
it's a bunch of young little kids and then the blue hairs, and
it's either one or the other. You're in doctrine at the kids and they
go out and have a wild time and then they come back just before they
die. It's like this season. Yeah. Or if you're Catholic, all
you have to do is five hundred hail Mary's in a couple of bucks,
and hey, you're good to go. I mean, if you're going to
have a religion, that would be the one to do. At least you
can buy you a way out of there. That's another another ass another element
of fertility too. I would I don't want to presume, but I assume
some of you have heard of the like the significance of how these cathedrals were
constructed in the in the sacred feminine and fertility form with the oval opening,
the two pillars of the legs, the rose windows the vagina, the sun
penetrates the vagina and pregnates the congregation. They're reborn as they leave through the
vaginal opening. It's all very intentional. So it all circles back to sex
again, doesn't that Unless that's just what on my what's on my mind?
People might think, well, this guy very rude, But no, that's
where it comes. That's what it goes back to to. You know,
Yeah, we're very simple, aren't we simple minded? Really right? That's
all we care about, really is, And apparently it carries over into the
ethereal room. Sex still plays a role over there. Don't doubt that.
Well, I mean, otherwise the so called fallen angels come and have coitus
with the daughters of men. Obviously they knew about sex before they came down
here. I mean, what did they suddenly say, Hey, what the
hell are they doing? Unless the fallen angels and all of that is perhaps
a concept of some form of human conscious development, like something mated with us
to produce offspring that were more aware and conscious, like the idea that like
this is one of my favorite stories. I learned this from Jonathan Black.
He's an author. He wrote the Secret History of the World and the Sacred
History. I've interviewed him a few times. Really smart guy. Don't see
him do anything anymore. But he was explaining in his book how the story
of Lucifer being cast down from Heaven is actually astronomical because the moon God is
Jehovah. The moon is the reflector. The moon reflects the light of Venus
or Lucifer down to Earth. So what happens is the moon Jehovah God reflects
Lucifer Venus the light down to Earth. So God casts Lucifer down to Earth.
But it's reflection of light from the moon down to at least that's the
symbolism of the story. That might not be the the total essence of the
story, but it's an interesting interpretation of that of that myth. Look,
you Stone brings up a good thing here. If the angels taught sex to
humans, who taught sex to animals, well, animals just seem approcreated no
matter what. Well, if you read the Bible, Adam had the animals
to have sex with, and apparently it came down to a sheep. I
mean, I'm telling you he's got all the animals before Adam so that he
may name them and find a mate, Dolly being good old boys in West
Virginia. Dude, you know, come on, let's just you know,
be honest. That's what that says. I was wondering if that interpretation or
the interpretation of that story could be also astronomical, Like Adam is given the
power to name the animals, and the animals are the zodiac or the animal
wheel, so it has an astronomical astrological story. The whole problem with the
story, right is that the how how long did it take one man to
name all the animals? It'll be quite a long time, if one would
think, I mean, but if you read the narrative, you get this
idea that Adam and Eve were apparently chronologically about six days old when they got
kicked out of the garden. Perhaps that reference that would be referenced to,
you know, six days, seven days. Yeah, it's all simply you're
right, it's all connected. Actually, the story of Adam and Eve can
be could be as a story of different parts of the body. I've read
references to Adam being the pineal gland, Eve being the pituitary gland, and
this is all the symbolism of the body anyway, Right, So you have,
like the crucifixion of Christ at Cavalry Golgotha, the skull in the story
Adam's skull is placed next to the cross, but that's our skull. The
temples, the two thieves are the hemispheres of the brain, the center point,
which is the third eye where Christ is crucified. But if you go
back in the story, the fall of Man is sex. So it's the
groin area, it's you know, the sexual organs. And then as you
move up the spine or Jacob's ladder, you become thirty three thirty three vertebrate
sections of the spine, and that's Jesus being crucified, you know, at
the skull, So like we are the crucifixion story, and that the crown
of thorns is the cather of the Kabbalist. It's the illumination at the top
of the pentagram. Our body carries with us every day, the story of
Jesus being crucified. At least in that interpretation, I find that interesting.
Yeah, that's the Kundalini energy and going up to the thirty three vertebras of
the spine, hitting the right hemisphere of the brain and shooting out the right
hemisphere. Yeah, that's what the when our solstice is showing everybody in the
sky that that's what we do within our bodies as well. That's how we
get into the enlightened state and set at the right hand side of god hemisphere.
As we're talking, this is all under the godspeil, because each and
everyone is if they're using a narrative that cannot be proven, cannot be founded,
but yet we use it into our rational cognitive thinking that this story actually
fucking happened. Next anyway, everything our philosophy, you know, if you
look the whole story, the crucifixion never happened, but yet we're convinced.
And then we take the esoteric or the metaphysical approach and say, well,
maybe there's something more esoteric in the meaning, and then therefore then we interpret
that meaning, and then we bring forth in birth a new to thought of
how all this makes sense. It's supposed to help us to under in my
view, it's supposed to help us to understand or at least to develop an
idea of understanding about the meaning and purpose of life, which I think is
largely procreative. I think it has mostly to do with well, against sex
and procreation and fertility. That's what most of the original mystery schools were really
about. They had the bridal chambers, the priestess would initiate the final rights.
They would use different substances, back to the hallucinations and altered states of
consciousness in Greece, Egypt, wherever it was. Go into an alternative consciousness
commune with spirits, resurrect for three days, bring you forth from the tomb.
I mean, if you go to the Temple Square in Salt Lake City,
Utah. The Mormons built this freaking church like one of these old temples.
It's oriented east to west for the rising setting sun. It's just like
the Egyptian temples. You enter through the west and leave through the east as
a reborn, born again sun or daughter of God? Is it a man?
So like modern Mormonism, which has all the suns and the moon cycles
around the building to ancient e Have you ever been in there, into the
Mormon Temple, not inside, I've just been on the outside. I was
at a Western conference there and actually it's the guy who owns Skinwalker Ranch,
Brandon. We actually went over there and got a tour and there's more mysticism
and occultism. Then there than what more than when people can even be into
phantom very deep, very deep, very masonic, much of other stuff.
MM that looser, he'd be alive. But that's the thing though, do
they even know what it means? Like if you talk to an everyday Freemason
person and you ask them about the symbolism and what all this stuff means,
they have absolutely no idea. You know, do these people that you know
own these buildings that has this architecture and the symbolism even know what it means?
I have no idea. Probably not. It's probably much older than what
their knowledge even is. You have to be higher up in order to get
the full Joseph Smith's story itself is that's it's a very interesting story. Just
to say the least interesting is definitely the accurate. I think, what the
hell were you smoking, man, Marconi? I mean, come on,
you know, back in the day drugs regulated so much. I mean,
people could probably just do whatever they want, whenever they want it, and
nobody's gonna like rest you and take it. Fly fly gerry, mushrooms,
blue water lily, poppy, ayahuasca, peote, and so on and so
forth. Yeah. Yeah, half these people could have been flying on the
clouds and dreaming up all kinds of good stuff and writing it down, and
people are thinking, Wow, that guy seems to know a whole lot.
We should follow him. Yeah. When the shaman comes down the pole into
the little hut sweat mud lodge type thing. And when you're on a bunch
of mushrooms and you see some reindeer and they start flying through the air,
I mean stuff starts to help flying reindeer and Santa coming down the chimney story
stars flying, that's for sure. Yeah, so says, don't forget looking
toads. Yeah, is really a thing, can you? Yeah, there's
a poison on the toll you get high family. Yeah, Oh good episode.
Okay, Well, we're gonna keep this thing of rocking. So anybody
that wants to dip out, you are free to go. Uh, We're
gonna run another half hour or so. It's the last live episode of the
year, so I want to make it worth it for everyone. But anybody
that needs to go for any reason at all is more than welcome to have
cut out myself. But this has been all right, We've gotta do this
again. This is what they would say, some far out stuff. Yes,
Ginn Banana just said you just got here there all over against We're going
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Wayne, Always a joy in conversation with you, brother. Happy holidays to
you writer and the rest of y'all, Nina and Robert and Ryan. Has
been an excellent conversation. I've enjoyed that. Love to have you on the
channels sometimes anytime. And Merry Christmas to you and your wife. Yeah,
okay, thank y'all. See you right And now there was four And it
might be your last live show, but you're actually going to be on my
channel on Sundays and stay tuned. Yes, last live. That doesn't mean
and that I'm not going to premiere some stuff throughout the throughout the week and
up until the new year. But I am taking a week off, no
uploads, no nothing. The first week of January, just to get a
little break in there and I'll be back on the sixth stuff January. That's
good. Yeah, it's good to do that. Yeah, I gotta get
a little I gotta get a little break in there, you know. Yeah,
absolutely well, guy first says bashing religion on the solstice, what a
party. That's right, we're doing it. I don't find it to be
bashing religion. In fact, I think it to be actually provable of the
concepts that are embodied by religion. I don't think that it bashes religion.
I think that it actually proves that many of the religious things that we believe
are actually based in reality as opposed to mytholized fantasy things, you know.
Rather, Yeah, it's actually bringing it out to light, you know.
And really, I she meditate on the things that were we've been you know,
so led to believe, you know, like really think about this,
like look at it like as an adult now, and you know, like
it, you know, and you'll clearly see that it doesn't make sense,
you know. So we're just so brainwashed just believe. We don't don't question
anything, just believe, you know that that's it, you know. And
yeah, I think it. There's a different kind of explanation to the stories
and the ideas and the literal meanings from the Bible, like it's not it's
not literal. You know, there's way more things encoded within the Bible that
are metaphysical in nature, allegorical in nature, all chemical in nature, and
there's like a hidden code within there, and then it's up to us to
try and figure out that hidden code and what that means. On side,
go ahead, well, all these things, all the religions are based on
something, and all those things are based in you know, like you said,
the fertility, greenish spring, you know, colors times, the solstice,
spring and fall and winter, whatever. You know, all of these
things are based you know, you know, the religions are based on that,
and then they capitalize on it and then they use that by taking advantage
of that to create that religion and then labeling. See that's where they give
that anchorgor powers. They label it to something and then people say, oh,
yeah, it's like the need I do the show with the Native American
stuff, and they converted them really easy because they're things that they did and
the great mystery and all of that was relatable. You know, once they
put a label on it, and then they said, hey, you know,
I guess I could. You know, it seems very similar. And
it's important therefore to remember that without the metaphor, without the parable, without
the symbolism, without the myths, most of the stuff probably wouldn't have survived,
you know, because it's a lot easier to tell a story that's metaphoric
and symbolic than it is to sit and try to explain the specifics of what
it means in regard to the body, or to the changing of the seasons
or the movement of the stars. That most people don't understand. I don't
even understand the totality of it. I just understand the symbolism of it.
So the average person like myself is going to more so be able to understand
just a nice story that's easily passed along from generation to generation. Well,
how many times in the Bible does it say that Jesus spoke but not in
a parable, you know, it was all parables that he's spoken. I
have to check the red ink because that's what he actually said. He said
them several times. Yeah, that guy was recording him, you know,
as he ran around that little scribe, chipping, chipping in the get on
or writing on the paper Paris stuff they had. But you're right, you
know. The thing is is like like I said before, if there was
a catastrophe or something and the civilization's uh, you know, crapped down on
us, they would pass these things down and myths and legends like a story.
And even though that the person telling the story has no clue really what
it really means, they know it would be carried on word for word pretty
much, uh, for maybe a thousand years, so that the guy who
like us now can sit down and figure it out and go, hey,
you know, this is what they're trying to tell us, this is what
it actually means. This. Hey, there's something too that this is important.
We got to pay attention. Well that and great examples of that are
well. We talked about Lord of the Rings, talked about Harry. I
mentioned maybe Harry Potter Star Wars, like those movies are so crazily powerful,
those stories, they say JK. Rowling just sat down in restaurant, she
wrote stuff down a napkin. Bs. That woman is so well versed in
this stuff it makes my head hurt. You watch any of the Harry Potters,
especially the first one. The whole thing is an alchemical ritual. I
mean, even the very obvious part where Harry recognizes at the end that he
has the Philosopher's Stone on him the whole time. That's the essence of the
alchemical story. You can't use the stone until you realize that you don't actually
want to use it to get rich. But when you'll use it to help
other people, or when you don't need it anymore, then you find it,
and you always find it on your person. That's not an accident that
that's in the movie. I'm surprised I even made it into the movie because
when she consulted on that, clearly that's a huge part of the story.
None of that's just randomly written down a napkin somewhere, if you will.
It's very heard she channeled that whole thing. It was all from spirit.
Every single word though she got was all channeled from spirit. And actually most
stuff any music books anything like that, most of it you'll go back.
If you listen to the interviews of the authors or musicians, you'll hear that
they say, yeah, I channel I don't know where it came from,
Like even Bob Dylan said that, Yeah, they all said that, like
even kiss you know, they were explaining about how they did their makeup the
first time. He's like, yeah, it was almost like we were divinely
it was something was above us and we just all sat down in front of
mirrors and started doing our makeup. Like you know, it's all channeled somehow.
Well, people don't recognize it as that, but that's what it is,
you know. So there was definitely something on a different dimension here that
is influencing us on a daily basis, really our own soul, spirit,
higher self, whatever you want to call it. That could be that's you
know self for debate, but yeah, it's coming from the same world though,
what you're saying, and whether you're channeling something external or it's external but
still a part of your internal self if you will, they'll beyond the physical.
Well, not only that, I know that all of us have had
some sort of thought or some sort of idea to do something, and then
you don't do that thing, and then someone else does the exact same thing
that you didn't tell anybody about. That it was only in your head that
hu trying to steal my ip again, writer, Yeah, I'm still in
that ip, but I'm hacking into your brain dogise spiritual signs of organos.
It calls, you know, universal consciousness that we're tapping in. We're all
tapping into the same universal consciousness and it's up to us to run with those
ideas. And you'll see, like you know, movies, there's always several
movies with the same theme. They all kind of got the same idea around
the same time. They all you know what I mean, like, so
there's something to that whole thing there that's not just yeah, but have me.
But but they see here's another part of it. If you look at
some of the movies and songs and stuff, we probably don't realize how many
times they repeat these things and we just think they're new. They put a
new spin on it, and you go, oh wow, I'll look at
this new cool movie coming out. Oh yeah, they did that back in
the fifties or the sixties, and now it's just a revised version of and
and lately, how many new movies have really come out you know where there
is is there any and when they do like Star Wars or you know,
the Harry Potter things, that was pretty much new and that's probably why they
were big hits because today, you know, they just keep rehashing it.
How many times is super Badman been resurrected and come back and flew from Krypton
and and you know, and they redo the whole movie and then Spider Man
or or even back in the westerns, you know, what's what's that one
they did three ten to Yuma? You know, the original version with the
original was really good and uh and was more believable than the remake because he
was just sitting there killing everybody. You know, Well, you didn't like
the remake with Christian Bell and Russell Crowdy. There's like the two best actors
in Hollywood. Dude, I watched it, but it wasn't really believable.
The original with Glenn Ford was much more satisfying to watch. Put it that
way, No, Well, remakes have a weird way of doing that.
But I think that it also depends on which one you've seen first. If
you've seen the remake first, then you're going to like the remake. If
you saw the original, then you're gonna like the original. Well, not
necessarily. Look at the John Wayne movie that came out, Rooster Cockburn wasn't
it with that and the original, and then you got Bridges that uh or
portrayed him. I think the remake he did an excellent I think the remake
was really good. I think it was almost better than John Wayne's version.
Was that true grit, true grit, that's it, true grit? He
was, Yeah, true grit, that's what it was. Yeah, Jeff
Bridges. Yeah. See, I never saw the original, if not only
saw the remake, so I don't really have a reference for what the original
was. I'll have to go back and watch. I think The Twilight is
a good example of all this too, because you watch that show or other
shows around that time, and some of those TV shows were, I mean,
like most of the Twilight Zones pretty groundbreaking, especially for the time,
and a lot of that stuff today watch them watch a movie today and you're
like, I saw that somewhere that's from it, like a Twilight Zone idea
that's like off is a new idea today? Kind of along the lines what
you're saying, Yeah, well, it's all regurgitation. Nothing is really new.
It's normally a rip off of something because it's how we get inspiration for
something. You know, if I would never have seen cinema or a movie
ever in my life. Do I think that I would have been able to
make a documentary? Probably not, because I don't know how things are supposed
to flow. I don't know how things are supposed to be edited, you
know, like I don't have any inspiration or any backing for that. So
in a way, everyone is just ripping off everybody else. Well, and
what Christmas is all about? The people have you know, for what a
thousand years? And now he's developed from you know, one guy into you
know, this jolly old elf because Coca Cola decided to uh, you know,
capitalize out of it. Yes, Claus used to look more of like
a West Virginia mountain man, big brown coat, sticks and dirt all over
rain, bringing stuff out of the woods. And now he's a big fat
guy with a beer gut drinking Coca Cola. It's totally happens when you drink
Coca Cola, you see, so, you know version unfortunately, but yes,
the American version of yeah, you gotta get those cokes in the bottle.
Those coachs in the bottle are good for health for your bones. Yeah,
we do taaste different though it's weird. Canned coke tastes different than some
there something yeah sugar, yeah, but but it's all the same. The
religions are copied over, you know, over other religions. They you just
talked about how the hand, you know, the lady was re resurrected,
blah blah blah, you know, so forth and so on. You know,
you've got to wonder if they just don't look at and say, hey,
you know, this one here we have is dying out. You know,
Christianity's going down the tubes. And I swear, you know, maybe
not in our lifetimes, but our children's lifetimes. In the Christiana will be
in the crapper and they'll scramble and say, hey, we gotta invent something
new. And maybe this time, you know, the little Jesus kid or
whoever it will be come out of a computer generated thought. You know,
hey, you know that it was our ai robut birth on the twenty fifth
of December. Who is gonna be your senior? That's actually google of what
that's not. That's a really interesting point and that's not too far from the
truth. In fact, Carl Young pointed this out about you. It's like
in the old world people saw shields and boats and pillars and things that they
understood. Nowadays we see spaceships because that's what we understand. So it's a
very similar thing to what you're saying. The myth adapts and changes with different
technologies and cultural morphine, and I guess you could say, for lack of
a better word, cultural progress quote unquote. So yeah, you're totally right.
Yeah, and I think that. I mean, look at where Christianity
originally came from, and not just the Jewish concept of I guess you could
say spirituality or creation or whatever, but came from zero. Strianism came from
or people pronounce it differently, zerostrian zoro Throstrinism, Zerostrianism, the Zenda Vesta,
which arguably is older than the Hindu texts. Nobody knows how old the
Zendavesta is. It's super duper ancient. I got to actually have a copy
of it. Was I found a copy of a useful store, super rare,
and that thing is like super sophisticated stuff like it might be older than
the Hindu stuff. But either way, Zerotianism or Methrism, these are Persian
religions. The Persians really pioneered a lot of the Christian ideas of dichotomy between
heaven and hell and all that kind of stuff, because that religion was super
focused on darkness and light. But that's also the quintessential belief that every culture
has darkness and light. We all know because of what we eat or believe,
or how we build our buildings or whatever. It gets dark and it
gets light. Some parts of the ear darker than others, like right now,
and some parts are lighter than others. We can mythologize that, and
we can explain why that happens with stories and characters. Yeah, and right
now, you know that part of the world maybe you know, wiping themselves
out in the near future. And if that happens, then it opens up
the door for you know, something else to come in, you know,
because you know those people won't be around to tell the tale, if you
know what I mean. So it opened, It opens the door, and
that's how how things would come about. When one closes, another one opens,
you know, just my thoughts. I agree with Savagely here. I
think in a thousand years, Star Wars is going to be the world's religion.
That makes a lot of sense, I meaning, and according to the
Secret Space Program and the super Soldier. Star Wars is already our reality.
We're already living there. Guys. Didn't you know you didn't already know the
Star Wars land out there in space. I've always thought about Harry Potter.
Actually, I've got that. I've got this hockey quidded shirt on right now.
I've always thought Harry Potter. Finds some Harry Potter books in a few
unit of the years, and suddenly archaeologists are debating over whether Hogwarts is a
real place. It's like, I mean, it's super placable, right,
Like what if a the trilogy of Star Wars somehow survives a global catastrophe and
there's only one on DVD or VHS or whatever it is, Blu ray or
something, or on a floppy disk driver or a CD or a USB drive
or whatever, survives this giant catastrophe and people watch it in the future,
they're gonna think it's real. Yeah, all the like. I often think
that about things like well, like Civil War reenactments, like things that are
made in modern times, like gut like fake guns or you know, the
clothing, and then you find that in the future and you look and you
date it to this time period, even though it's a replica of something from
hundreds of years before, you get it certainly would get an inaccurate date of
that. And this is really interesting things to think about. I used to
go down to the river in Boise, Idaho when I lived there, and
the college kids at Boise State would go down and they would carve things into
these rocks. It must have been just a thing that they did. They
were all up and down the river, and I always thought, huh,
you know what happens when archaeologists comes along and one hundred and te undred years
and tries to figure out what this random text is here on this rock.
Really it was just some guy that wanted to have sex with some girl.
He was like, you know, so that's all that. It didn't have
any more significant meaning than that. Again, yeah, it makes you wonder,
right, yeah, But but our society is really stupid sometimes. I
mean, looking after that movie, uh, Black Panther, and everybody was
trying to go to the airport and buy a ticket to Wakanda. I'm serious.
Remember that was in the news and they get all my goodness, you
know, but but looking up Corona beer, can Corona beer give me coronavirus.
Yeah, interpretation like, wait, now there's there's a school, Hogwarts
school. You can go to a Hogwarts school, right, Well, if
you pay enough money you can anyway. But will they really teach you magic
and all that stuff there? Well, you know they're gonna teach you something
for all that whatever. But but if that's the case, and you said,
like, if a book survives and it's the Harry Potter book, well
all people say, yeah, look, here's the school. It says Harry
Potter. We dug it up, and here's the book. It talks to
him. He must have been a real person. These things must be really
there must have been magic in the world at that time. Yeap, did
you I don't know if you ever seen this. I sent it to you
writer the I think he was a physicist and he was trying to prove how
easily gullible the public is and how easy facts can be manipulated. And he
posted that picture of the sun that was taken by the James Webb telescope.
Turns out it really wasn't the sun. Though. Did you ever see that
that story? I sent you the link. No, I did not see
it. I have to look it up. I see it in the stream
yard chat. But basically everybody thought, awso, amazing picture of the sun.
That's beautiful. It's amazing what technology can do. Turns out it was
a slice of freaking salami on a black background. Oh, I've seen you
know what. I have seen that. Yeah, a slice of salami on
the dorm. When you feel through it, it looks like, yeah,
yeah, you know, is this a real article? Though? That's the
only one I could find. But no, that was definitely a real story.
It was all over the news when it came out. That's not the
most reliable website I sent you. Yeah, that's what I was wondering because
I've seen some people post about it, and I tried to look it up,
and I didn't find anything other than than this article on it. Oh
no, there were tons of articles on I talked about it on the show.
There were a bunch of articles on it at the time. Maybe it
just I'm not saying I got scrubbed, but maybe they just it's harder to
if you're using Google. It might be down in the search results. I
don't know. Yeah, I don't really want to share it because I don't
know how credible this this website is and it kind of sounds like a little
bit of a hoax as well, because they did this whole thing too with
NASA. And remember background four or five months ago, or maybe it was
like a year ago or whatever, when NASA had that really big telescope and
shooting out into the and they had brought back these amazing four D four K
pictures of galaxies that are billions and billions of miles away. And then some
people were saying, oh, well, this is what it really was,
and it was their kitchen room table, the granite table that they just took
a picture of that looked almost identical to the space telescope pictures. I found
more. I guess you could say scene, it's not credible, but I
found more sources. There's a scene, an article, there's a bunch of
them people magazine. But yeah, yeah, I know, I know what
you're saying, writer, Well, that would be it would be ironic way,
whether it's really a piece of salami or it's just the fact that it's
a fake story that you can get people to think that it was a piece
of I think it kind of plays out either way. How gullible the public,
which is how ai? I mean, who knows anymore? Now?
With AI? I mean it's so hard to decipher now what's real and what's
not? You know, like I'll share the CNN one feel more comfortable about
CNN than I do Star News or whatever. That other website is dot co,
dot UK, dot tech, dot news. Top scientists emits space telescope
imager was actually a slice of chariso. Wow, French scientists. I apologized
after tweeting a photo of a slice chariso, claiming it was an image of
a distance star taken by the gems web space telescope. Where's the picture?
All? Right? Here? It is? Right? Wow? A slice
of chariso? That's how easy it is. Where's that? Well, that's
not the original photo that he's shared, wasn't I don't know if that's the
original original No, because you would have to do more to it than just
that, right, You have to add some photoshop and stuff to it.
Well, that's interesting. There's also an interesting story here. This is something
I just pulled up published in p l Os, which is I believe,
a UK journal and you know you can. I'm not telling you this or
showing you this article because I think it's the end all, be all.
But it's a paper written about how most scientific research findings are false because they're
based on false premises, false false conclusions that are not based on evidence.
It's just like an assumption. It's a really interesting little piece of I guess
you could say psychology and science, showing that a lot of science isn't really
science. It's an interesting little study. It's interesting. I have to check
that later. Well, guys, thank you so much. Just been an
honor and a privilege to have all of you guys here on the very last
episode of the year, the very last Live Raised by Giants episode, And
thank you everyone in the chat for being here as well. Really appreciate each
and every one of you. It's been an amazing year for me and Ryan.
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