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Welcome back to Raised by Giants Christmas
Roundtable Special and a happy merry Holiday Christmas

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to everyone that is listening and everyone
in the chat. Welcome any moderators or

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members to the Christmas Roundtable Show Discussion
Special, the last live video from this

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channel this year, and I'm really
looking forward to it. And what better

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way to end the year than a
roundtable Christmas special. Gotta love the end

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of the year with those specials.
Baby So introducing first philosopher and researcher in

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a cult and esoteric studies, Wayne
Steiger. Welcome back to the show,

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my friend. How's it going going
fantastic? And thank you writer. I

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mean it is a special special day, so Happy Solstice to you as well.

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Where's your ugly Christmas butter? Wayne? You know I forgot the memo.

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I mean I didn't get the memos
like damn it. And I do

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have a good candidate too. Next
up we have Nina the Mystic from the

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Nina and the Mystic YouTube channel.
How's it going, Nina's good to see

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you, my dear. I'm doing
good. Thank you for having me writer,

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no problem, really looking forward to
the discussion. We're gonna have a

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lot of fun, really laid back
discussion here this evening with the Next up

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on the panel is Robert V from
the Milky Way Soul Tribe. Welcome back

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to the show, Robbers. Good
to see you, my friend. Hey,

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how you doing. Good to be
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if everything prevails and no technical issues
happen, but you never know. But

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welcome everyone. It's good to see
you guys, and happy that you all

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can make it. Ryan Gable maybe
joining the show here later on. So

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is it just me, guys,
or is this December not decembering like other

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Decembers have decembered? Like things are. Things are strange out there, and

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it's interesting because Christmas like seems like
the only time of the year when all

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of the religions just put aside their
differences and you know, collectively decided to

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celebrate Paganism. True, that's true. I think Christmas hasn't been the same

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in quite a few years. It's
been it's been dwindling. You know that

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it's not the same Christmas parades and
the same Christmas lights, and you know,

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I mean maybe in the cities or
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poor folks, they get poorer they
and they're forgetting all about it. It

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was good. I would say,
I live out in the country and the

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the general mood and the stores and
what have you. It's the best word

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I can use. It's subdued.
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When we did the Thanksgiving round table, there was more people out in

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restaurants than there were. I was
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to buy food to cook for the
family, so they just opted to take

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them out to eat. It's cheaper. Yeah. I didn't see anybody with

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Christmas trees this year, you know, usually I see loads of Christmas trees

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on trucks and Chris trees up in
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put up a few decorations a little
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georgy of the homes here don't have
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I think it's it's slowing up.
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economy is bad and they just can't
afford to buy that tree. It's either

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food or a tree, doesn't you
know they celebrate too much. The kids

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won't get any presents. You got
to pick. Yeah, and for the

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kids to have presents you go in
debt for the next not the year,

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for the next five years. I
think everybody grinch and Crampis. Crampis is

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a really interesting character, the opposite
of Santa. But it is the solstice

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we went I have right when the
solstice happens, which I did not plan

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that, but it is the beginning
of the winter solstice. Would anybody like

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to educate people on what the winter
solstice is? And the Sun the son

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of God cified. I think that's
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sun doesn't move back north until the
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And that is the pagan holiday of
the rebirth of Earth. Because the

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sun the days start getting longer,
you know, And it works very well

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in this whole, you know,
Jesus Manger thing wise, men magicians.

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I mean, you know, the
story is pretty warped when you think about

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it. But anyway, you know, I can't help but not think so.

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If Mary, according to the custom
of that air, she was probably

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twelve thirteen years old when this immaculate
conception happened. Something right with that story,

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man, I mean, there's something
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all the way around. I'm sorry. I digress. Yeah, I guess

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it was a little bit more common
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I think sixteen was kind of the
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yeah, it's still it's you know, it's a bit young, you know.

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And the whole how she conceived that
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failure no matter how you look at
it. Either would have to be or

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Gabriel whatever you want to, you
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according to the Bible. But that
the whole thing about it. So you

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got angels that can actually get an
erection. I mean, you know,

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I know we're talking Christmas, but
I mean, this is where the seed

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come from or so they say.
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it was the Holy Spirit. So
this on the occult level is some really

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deep necromancy taken place there. There's
also many stories about this. I did

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a bunch of research for my last
show, and then it was about Jesus,

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Joseph and Mary and Joseph. They
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research I did. If he was
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a stonemason, or a carpenter.
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because there was not that wood was
very scarce. Yeah, and if

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he was a carpenter, well then
he would have been a wealthy man to

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afford the wood to make the whatever
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in like an orphanage or some kind
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then an angel came and told him
what to do. And when she got

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old enough, they literally held a
lottery by taking all the old men and

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you know, pulling one out of
a hat who had the old man who

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had lost their wives. And Joseph
was chosen and he didn't want to,

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you know, take her, but
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on him and said, well,
you're defining God, you know how that

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goes far guilt and controlled matrix kind
of thing going on. And then if

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finally he did, and then he
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an angel comes to him and says, hey, you know, so you

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know what the I figured out?
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going on. These angels were working
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they were making all this happen.
What was this plan? You know?

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Was there more to it than what
we know? That's the question if the

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story's true at all. Yeah,
there always is more to it than what

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they say, right, So,
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isn't it. Why do we celebrate
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about, the celebration of Jesus his
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or fall time? Like, why
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yeah, definitely not December. No, it's too cold. Got into it

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because we've got the tree, well, the well the Romans have taken really

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you know, back all that stuff, and then they piggybacked off all the

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other religions. Of course Nimrod,
who they already celebrated his birthday was on

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the twenty fifth. Also the son
god raw you know, his son you

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know, would come back according you
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know, so you've got a lot
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just seems natural that they would put
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these other events. That way,
you know, if you're the top,

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top of the frosting. All the
other ones will go away, you know,

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even though they lie with us underneath. You got to dig a little

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bit to get to the juicy creamy
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Yeah, but the vast majority of
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that. It's all materialism. How
many gifts I'm getting what? You know?

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It's and that's the true worship going
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Yeah yeah, and that was created, uh you know, the materialistic thing

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was created by the corporations that want
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Christmas cards. The modern phenomenon,
by the way, yeah, exactly.

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You know, Coca Cola was the
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they'll make him look the way he
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that way before he was all that
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was real cocaine and them coc cos. I know, no wonder you're getting

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stuff done, Grandpa. That's why
Rudolph has a red nose. The coke

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before before the tiny reindeer, I
guess he rode the goat. You know,

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he wrote wrote a goat and or
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that helped him, you know,
and he so you know, there's so

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many uh myths about it, but
it is only in recent years that it's

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come to be he's a happy,
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gifts and those if your naughty or
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he literally came around like a crampus. Do you uh you know you're not

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he's gonna off with you. That's
interesting. Yeah, Crampis movie is really

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good. That's interesting that he wrote
a goat in the beginning of what you're

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saying, Robert, Yes, holy
crap, where are we? Well?

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I think that Pawns off of the
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a sleigh of goats, you know, so I guess it wouldn't be so

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hard to you know, imagine that
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a goat pull his sleigh, which
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and going to the North Pole and
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you got to think, what's wrong
with a species that's doing this stuff?

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I mean, none of this is
true, and yet it's so ingrained into

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the program that we make it true. Well, now that we know more

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like that whole crampis thing. To
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for child trafficking, snatching children,
you know what I mean, Like that's

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that's what it sounds like to me. That's so they've probably been doing that

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all along, like since day one, but covered it up with oh well

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I was Grandpa's or that was whatever. The witch, the wicked witch in

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the in the forest, you know
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think back, like all our stories, like it's all about the witches eating

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children or you know, Pinocchio getting
sent to Pleasure Island. I mean,

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come on now, you know,
like you know, like it's in your

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face right with all these stories.
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the Christmas tree kind of looks like
an erection, now, doesn't it.

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That's a real bone. I don't
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the real symbolism of the Christmas tree? What was that original symbol supposed to

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mean? Do we know that?
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in, was the rebirth, and
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earth because you know, within ninety
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with life. But what have you
found, Robert. Oh, I'm trying

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to pull up something here. It
comes up with I think it's Norse or

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you know, more of the Scandinavian. I have it right here. Let

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me share. I'll share a picture
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it out. Robert. Yeah,
the evergreen is the only thing that's green

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in that time of the year,
and that the little red berries and stuff,

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and that's kind of, you know, the only decoration we have,

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you know. So here's here's Nimrod
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found this picture, but he's I
don't know if this any of this is

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true, but yeah, and here's
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Nimrod with whatever the hell that is. I don't know, but it you

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know, it doesn't look like a
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But you know, he's got some
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and you know, he looks like
a you know, one of those Nephelem

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gods or whatever they are, you
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like that. I don't know who
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or if they made this up,
but that's what I found there. You

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go. But this is the tree. There's your tree right there. What

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are those things? Almost looks like
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or even the tree of life like
yeah, I'm thinking more of the chef

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rof you know that shepherd hook.
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that's interesting because Nimrod, we know
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an actual character or real god.
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became a nephelin. Well by that
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track, now, isn't it.
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And this is what I couldn't figure
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wise men. Now all the study
I did, nothing happened with the wise

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men. You know, was there
three wise men? Where there's ten wise

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men? Was there one wise man? Nobody seems to know. They know

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they came from the east. But
that's about it. But we you know,

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as much as the Bible goes into
detail about all all kinds of crap

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things numbers and who was who old, and where so and so was and

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how many years and everything, they
couldn't tell you who the wise men were

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or where they actually came from,
just that they came and then but they

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they could remember the things they brought
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Those things seemed to stand out and
be more important than who these guys were,

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where they came from, or how
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that sounds like witchcraft? Me?
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and fictitious to me. I mean, frankinsense and murr in alchemy and in

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casting spells, bindings and what have
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It's why the church uses it.
You know. The priest goes through and

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carrying the frankinsense and mrr it says
it this God, this yahweh. Whoever

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the baby's as father is, I
don't know. Did he ever pay child

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support? By the way, But
I digressed. So you know, it's

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really odd because those are all elements
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hm hm. But they still yeah, I really want to know about that

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child support thing to you and anyway, And also those items are very expensive,

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yeah, right, so they probably
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expensive, you know. And then
they did they really bring camels? Because

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I thought camels were a more later
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horses that were used more in the
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don't know. Well in there and
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the man and if you were these
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desert or would you just take a
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around Gaza and then take a short
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with burrows, donkeys, horses,
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the bethele hand, you would problem
if I don't know where they come from,

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how can you be any place when
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Map, Well where's that coming from? I don't know. Forty years,

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that's what I want to know.
For something I was supposed to take

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seven days. The dude got lost
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round they went. And then you
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were we observing if if the event
happened, So what cosmologically happened two thousand

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years ago? Supposedly? Was there
a comment? Was there? You know,

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what was this star? If the
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star or was it a spaceship?
Yeah? Because maybe Jesus' story is more

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of a story of an alien abduction
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of the world, peace on Earth. Ye. Well, if if there

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was a star, somebody would have
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Chinese who who recorded stars in astronomy
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encompassed that time frame, or maybe
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I don't know. Well, we're
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were the wise man. I do
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I was into Christianity, when you
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some kind of star around that time. I think there's a two hundred year

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kind of leeway there, but there
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I can't remember what it's called now. But yeah, because you're aways trying

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to prove everything right when you're in
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the UFO calleds claim the Star.
I think it was a Unarious academy called

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claim that the Star of Bethlehem was
a UFO too. But we have a

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host and author of the Secret Teachings, Ryan Gable, here joining us.

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How's it going, Ryan, Brother
Hey everybody. Thanks, Hey, what's

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up, howdy. Yeah, we're
just having a super laid back conversation about

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the Christmas and the significance of Christmas. And I know you got a lot

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of things to add as well.
Ryan, you wrote a whole chapter of

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a book on the history of Christmas. We're talking about right now, the

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Star of Bethlehem and the Three Wise
Men, and we just kind of roughly

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went over the history of the Christmas
tree and the symbolic nature of that.

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And Christmas tree looks like a foulst
dude, Christmas tree is a penis.

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Fact, virtually everything about every holiday
or holy day goes back to some form

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of agricultural fertility festival, which also
relates to human fertility. Christmas lights are

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phallic. Yes, a tree is
phallic. There's other meanings for it as

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well. Virtually everything is fertility because
that was the superstition, and that's the

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great mystery of life, the Bride
of Christ, the bridal chambers, of

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the mystery schools, how two people
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It's all within the symbolism, as
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the divine feminine, the divine masculine, the alchemical transmutation of the two to

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produce a third. That's the Holy
Trinity. It's all fertility, all about

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sex, dude, whole Bible,
and it's one of the most what drives

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us, you know, was still
even when we got old, we're still

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driven by that. I know.
It's weird, very primal. What's also

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interesting because Gabriel is actually a section
of the moon, and Gabriel is known

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as like the would show humans how
to pro create, and it's just a

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coincidence that Gabriel, Gabriel was the
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Right, they're showing them how to
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actual intercourse, I think anyway,
so you think it was artificial examination that

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was going on there with Gabriel,
and then well, there's a way to

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actually pro create without the need of
ejaculation. That's the whole meaning of immaculate

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conception. It doesn't mean that you
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you have sex, but you don't
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create a child, and that that
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because that child was born with the
cleanliness without an orgasm. But isn't there

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like pre come like? So I
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if you didn't exactly, I don't
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I don't know the details. To
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it is a little lot under here. I might take it off.

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I don't know. The whole story
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Noah was conceived by immaculate conception.
You know, his he actually illuminated in

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his skin was irradiant. Yeah,
I don't know, you know the story.

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A lot of these stories are identical
in nature. As Joseph Campbell pointed

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out, the whole story of Noah
is in the ark. The arc is

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a symbol of the human body,
and the old Jewish story it was actually

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a large body or Adam Cadman as
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call it, the first man who
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He couldn't fit inside the ark.
There were depictions of this man inside the

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arcs like a coffin. But since
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all the animals and whatnot got on
the ship. He would be on the

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top and Noah would reach up to
him through a little porthole and he would

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feed him. That's at least the
original story, and it symbolizes, at

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least according to Joseph Campbell and a
handful of other mythologists and philosophers, it

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symbolizes the higher self, and the
porthole is the pineal gland that we reach

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up through in contact with our higher
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virtually every culture. The Hindu faith
or in India, they have the idea

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of putting the child into the basket
on the river. That is the story

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of Moses on the river being raised
in the Egyptian Palace. And it's the

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same story that we find in the
story of Sargon, which is a very

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famous story being put into the basket. It's basically the story of us the

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soul in the bodily bodily physical container. And it's interesting, you guys are

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talking I pop in here and you're
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funny, but it's also true.
The name Osiris, who is related to

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Orion's belt as an Orion the hunter, the Great Hunter. Orion originally means

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sperm, because he's the green Man
of agriculture like Santa Claus, and he

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impregnates the female Earth and that's what
gives birth nine months later to the harvest

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that we take in and we have
our final feast of the year, the

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last sepper, eat the body,
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and then we wait for everything to
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So yeah, it's all connected to
fertility, sperm and everything else.

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It's fascinating. You guys ready to
send to a Ryan? Guys, are

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you ready? Crazy? We're going
to a Ryan. We just got to

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get inside of the pyramid, get
inside of the portal, and we'll blast

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off to o Ryan because you know
where the portal is, because you know,

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I don't know where it's at.
If you know where it's at,

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we'll have to follow you into the
portal. Yeah, you guys, just

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follow me. I got everyone's back. I'll make sure you get we go

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before you Right. See, it's
gonna look something like we're gonna be walking

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into like the ocean, right,
but it's not going to be the ocean.

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We're gonna open up a hatch and
then we're all just gonna kind of

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jump in and it's gonna look like
a water portal and then we just kind

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of go into the water and then
boom, we're out. O Ryan,

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which archangel told you that, Michael, Michael, he told me earlier.

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I got to take Yeah, m
hm, well the way this planet's going

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right now, I'm sure a lot
of people would follow you there, writer.

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You know, we're starting raised by
Giant's writer le Cult, We're gonna

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stand I tell you the next level
royals down to where there is no god,

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there is no savior. That what
really this is about was the natural

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progression and evolution of a Homo genus
species. That it really was about survival,

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and the survival was then turned into
the midst of the gods that were

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never seen but yet we're always talked
about. And subsequently, as we continue

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to move forward, these stories take
on a Agregore type personality and then they

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become actually interwoven into the very thought
process of who what we are as quote

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unquote a modern man. I think
we should add to that too. That

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and I think a good example is
the Titans. The stories of the Titans.

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The Titans are gods, They're not
real beings, but they're personifications of

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natural disasters. So it's how our
ancestors quantified and cataloged and tried to understand

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and explain the way that the natural
world worked. So they personified natural disasters,

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They personified natural events, phenomenon,
etc. As being godlike or in

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some cases monsters that causing men's destruction. It's funny because we've popularized things like

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that with like Godzilla and all these
new stories today. And I agree with

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you, they do become agrigoric or
they are originally agregoric tulpa like thought forms,

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and we turn them into our own
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as myth and they are. We
look at them as part of pop culture,

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and they are. But I think
it's fascinating at the origin point of

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all of this whenever and wherever that
is. It's really a form of science.

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It's a form of scientific observation of
nature, trying to quantify how the

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natural world works. So we might
dismiss it all these people were primitive and

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ancient. Well, they create pretty
sophisticated myths and ideas that really were scientific

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observations of the natural world, and
they persisted a whole lot longer than probably

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much of the stuff that we're creating
today, which will probably be gone in

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a couple of generations, but these
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of the existence of let's say,
Homo sapiens particularly, we're really not sure

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what that window is. I mean, some say could be up to several

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hundred thousands of years, maybe a
little shorter. The point being, we

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are really kind of very new on
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we have amnesia as a species.
We don't know where we came from,

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and so we try to take what
you said from the observer point of view

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and then try to make sense of
an environment that apparently we're still trying to

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understand, which we call science,
which is basically magic too. You use

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that word taken over, you know, that's what it is. It's the

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same stuff, you know. Actually, it's interesting you say that because in

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regard to how these stories formulate and
how they've been preserved, and how we

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still tell them today, and we
use the archetypes, and that's why movies

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like Lord of the Rings and Star
Wars are so powerful. Whether people realize

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that or not. As Joseph Campbell
even said about George Lucas, that's why

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Star Wars was so powerful because he
inherent landers with the archetypes. But when

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these stories were created, certainly and
probably not with intention to make it to

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twenty twenty three, let's say,
but they are magical in the sense that

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they are formulated, and then different
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and they combine together and we have
all this contextual cultural history. The

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point of what I'm getting out here
in regard to magic is if I try

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to manifest something and think about something
and try to bring it into existence,

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you know, maybe I can do
that, maybe I can't do that.

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It's all a matter of definition.
But our ancestors were able to create things

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that have literally survived for so long
they've become their own entities. And that's

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why I mean, I don't know
about any of you, but like for

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me, I've spoken to a lot
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all very positive and prayer based,
and they focus on these ancient gods because

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they call them reservoirs of energy because
so many people have said their names enchanted

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and burned incense and prayed to them
so many thousands of years. They're these

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just very strong energetic symbols that resonate
down through the ages and it's like a

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form of magic. You've created it
and sent it out and it survives today.

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We call that frequency. You know, it's you know, in fact,

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I think you can be it is
said that the Incas used the same

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thing it was in the Egyptian it's
voice frequency harmony opens up gates and you

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know you were talking earlier as well. I think Peter Jackson I have to

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add to that as well with lucas
you know, with the Lord of the

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Rings and the Hobbit series. Understanding
that this world that we live in is

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actually multiply layered dimensionally, and that
this is now the time of man.

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always been the time of man, nor

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will it always be. Yeah.
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mentioned that, I was reading about
the Golden Age in Japan, the Age

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of the Kami, and there a
Japanese historian who talked about how the age

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of the Kami, which means a
lot of different things. It means spirit,

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it means God, it means the
soul, so that the age of

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the Kami or the Golden Age in
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but that humans are essentially godlike or
humans are essentially kami. So the

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original human civilization that developed, whenever
and whenever that was and however that happened,

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was the age of the gods,
like the first development of civilization,

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as we understand it was the age
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that aliens or some divine figures we're
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first development of culture, et cetera. Those things are part of the Age

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of the Gods, and every culture
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ages gold, silver, or whatever
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just an interesting note. Yeah,
it's really interesting too because I've always wondered

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in me and Wayne have talked about
this several times, is like why would

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like why when you call upon you
know Jesus's name, or you say the

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Lord's prayer, why does that work? Or all these negative entities or all

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these demons all Christian It doesn't make
any sense, but it makes way more

409
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sense in the agregoric aspect that everyone
has put their positive energy into this being,

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whether he was a real being or
not. They've put all of their

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energy and their thoughts and their positive
energy into this figure, so therefore it

412
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kind of overrules everything. I don't
know if that makes sense. A lot

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of potential. Note, We've all
seen the stories of you know, seventy

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eight year old woman being robbed and
she comes out using the name of Jesus

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against the robber, and the robber
within two to three minutes is on his

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knees crying, begging for her forgiveness, having come out of that religion.

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It's it's the fact that you believe
inside so intently that that name has a

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sacredness to it that just by invoking
it, that it's going to have this

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effect. And whether it's Jesus,
whether it's Allah, whoever it may be,

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it's the fact that we, as
god like as we are, we

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believe that I could say that I'm
going to use the name of Writer Lee

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and I could go out and begin
to heal people on that. Well,

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people would go and then who is
Writer Lee? Well, I could say

424
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that Writer Lee is the new Christ. Maybe I am Wayne, get me

425
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in there. I mean, I'm
really feeling it. I'm just telling you

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they got had off as a crown
of thorns and everything. It's that third

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eye that I'm worried about. Cover
that bad boy up real quick. Don't

428
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want you guys know who I really
am on Did you guys talk about the

429
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colors of Santa's clothing and what that
relates to? That isn't any kind of

430
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a cult. Have you seen the
old courts? What they were wearing in

431
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the old course is exactly what they
were wearing. Yeah, and there's the

432
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white, you know, the red
and the white southers. In my opinion,

433
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it's not explicitly from the fly grey
mushroom. Certainly, shamanism played a

434
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major role in many Christmas traditions.
But yes, and I don't remember the

435
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exact history of what you're refering too, but you're right there is with certain

436
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dress and quartz. I remember reading
about that. But his robes used to

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actually be blue or green because as
we were talking about Osiris earlier, Osiris

438
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is the green man and Santa's the
green man. Santa brings gifts from the

439
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:54.119
woods, he brings fruit. Orange
slices are very popular, but that's where

440
00:37:54.119 --> 00:37:59.480
a lot of that comes from.
So blue, green and then red primarily

441
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:04.480
from Macy's and Coca Cola, but
also a little bit from from northern shamanism

442
00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:07.280
as well. This is that that
those that's the only greenery we have,

443
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like the evergreens and those little red
berries. That's the only thing that we

444
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got outside at that time of the
year. So we bring it in to

445
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make it as ornaments. And I
think that's where the red probably color comes

446
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from. However, the court system. Yeah, and when I saw that,

447
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I'm like, oh my god,
it looked like a bunch of santas

448
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in there. It's like so weird. You Ryan, We're talking about the

449
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green aspect of it. And that's
what the Egyptian got horse was. He

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was depicted as being green, the
renewal of life and work with vegetation,

451
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with all of that was was there
a breakdown? You think there was a

452
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breakdown of civilization or a collapse of
civilization, and those people went out and

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labeled things they wanted passed with names, you know, kind of like a

454
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you know, making of a myth
or a rhyme, you know, ring

455
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around the rosy kind of things.
You know, Mary had a little lamb.

456
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There's all these little things in there
that we don't know what they mean,

457
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but somebody will figure them out or
they know, you know, but

458
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the little kids remember them, and
maybe that's why they labeled these things with

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the names. You know, the
god of blah blah blah represents greenery.

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You know, this god represents that, This God represents this. And even

461
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though you don't know what, you
would have forgotten these things, but now

462
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that you have some label on it. But then somebody twisted it and then

463
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said, now you need to pray
to that. Could that have happened?

464
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Mud Fossil University says that, you
know, it's happened to us many times.

465
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That modern man is really a product
of multiple catastrophes and the fact that

466
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we don't want to remember that's why
we hide the very clues right in front

467
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of us, because of the impact
it had upon us as a species,

468
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that psychic what would you call turbulence
of these catastrophes, it's it's I mean,

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you think about the Tartarnians, what
were they these mud flows that they

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had that apparently back in the eighteen
hundreds, early nineteen it's very interesting.

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Christianity just throw this in. Modern
Christianity is only about five hundred years old.

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But people are convinced that this is
a religion that's been around for two

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thousand years, and that's not correct. That's because they lied to us,

474
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tacked on a thousand years. Yeah, a few people understand as well that,

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well, modern Islam is not,
but the original Islamic faith developed out

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of Christianity. So Islam is as
much Christian as it is ultimately Jewish.

477
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It's a weird thing today because people
think that Muslims have this totally different belief

478
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system, and perhaps in terms of
like pop culture, entertainment, media,

479
00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:15.559
politics, propaganda, they do.
But Muslims, if I've read the Quran,

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the Quran says very similar stuff to
the Bible. They believe in Mary,

481
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they believe in all the figures.
They believe in Jesus very strongly.

482
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The Muslims and the Jews believe essentially
the same thing about Christ, and they

483
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believe pretty much the same thing as
the Christians. The only major it's Ishmael

484
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and Isaac. That's the difference,
and that they believe Christ was not the

485
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son of God. It's really about
it. They all believe pretty much the

486
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same thing, pretty much the same. It is unbelieved that Christ was actually

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Lucifer's son. I've heard this interpretation. I think that Lucifer, the Devil,

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and Satan are two or three completely
different. There is another verse.

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I think it all has to do. I think Manly Hall explained it the

490
00:41:58.599 --> 00:42:04.719
best where he talked about Lucifer is
more of a dazzler of materiality, so

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that associates Lucifer more so with Saturn
a necessary evil. Lucifer is in a

492
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sense like Santa Claus, because he
is the grand architect with the beard or

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the grim reaper or the Ancient of
days or whatever you choose to call him.

494
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The devil is more of like an
inversion of life, so it's a

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necessary death as well. So l
I ve e e v I L and

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version reversed. And then of course
Satan is the adversary, which you find

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that in Arabic and Hebrew. He's
just an oppositional force which is also a

498
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necessary evil. But these forces are
hot and cold. These forces are parts

499
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of our psyche and parts of our
emotional state. And that's why the devil

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is here on the one shoulder and
the angels here on the other shoulder.

501
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It's things in our own head and
our temple here at the Golgotha, the

502
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skull. We're all the devil inside
you, and you talk about Lucifer.

503
00:42:53.719 --> 00:43:01.519
Actually, it's odd because that that
whole Egergore was Jerome's invention. It was

504
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his imagination that he put down and
from those simple words of a being that

505
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didn't exist prior to Jerome. When
he added that into the Book of Isaiah,

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it didn't exist tradge. We're all
convinced that this Lucifer plays a major

507
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role in our religion, in our
very social structure. The devil made me

508
00:43:25.559 --> 00:43:30.559
do it. This is all the
influence of evil where I'm pretty much in

509
00:43:30.599 --> 00:43:37.159
my esoteric studies, we are the
evil, we're the savior too. It's

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as easier as for us to focus
on things outside because there's basically you advocate

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the position of responsibility. But that's
just me. I agree with that last

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point, especially advocate responsibility. It's
looking for an external savior, something external

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vicarious atonement through something else. I
was stunned when I started reading. I've

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been reading a lot more and researching
for years and about Japanese mythology. Nobody

515
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:10.880
really has any clue how old the
Japanese stories are because most of the stuff

516
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was written down in terms of like
clan leadership and politics just a few hundred

517
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:20.679
of one thousand or so years ago. But the Japanese story of Ama Terasu

518
00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:23.000
another thing. A lot of people
like, oh, every god is male

519
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:28.320
and the female isn't worship anywhere.
That's not at all true. Japan is

520
00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:32.639
entirely based on Ama Terasu. All
the main shrines are Ama Terasu female goddess

521
00:44:32.719 --> 00:44:37.039
shrines, and she is a personification
of the Sun, and her story is

522
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much much older than Jesus, and
it is identical to the Christ's story.

523
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She goes into a tomb for three
days, she's resurrected. So, in

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regard to what Wayne is saying,
we attempt to put ourself, especially historically,

525
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:55.159
in alignment with things that are much
more powerful and larger than us.

526
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So we align ourselves with all the
cycles of the Sun, of the Moon,

527
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.679
the different planetary spheres, whether conceptually
or because we could see them at

528
00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.519
least, we have this idea of
these different planets in different gods and they

529
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control different aspects of nature, etc. So we try to put ourselves in

530
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:15.760
alignment with that. So we are
going through the same process that the Sun

531
00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:19.800
goes through. It dies and is
resurrected. We do that every year,

532
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just like nature does, just like
the sun does, just like the moon

533
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:24.960
goes through its cycle each month.
We put ourselves in alignment with that,

534
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:30.719
hoping that we sympathetically draw on that
immense power and that life, and that's

535
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:35.719
what drives human civilization and culture for
it. As far as I'm concerned,

536
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well articulated, how old does that
Japanese culture and belief system go back?

537
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:52.000
Because I believe that Hinduism is the
old is religion today five thousand years,

538
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:59.079
it dates back to I think Hinduism
is immensely older than five thousand years.

539
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.639
In some form, it might not
be Hinduism as we know it. The

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00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:07.199
Japanese story, nobody knows. Japan's
peculiar because Japan has been locked off from

541
00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:12.360
the rest of the world up until
relatively recently after the Meiji Restoration. Prior

542
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.079
to that, there were certain Dutch
ships that went to Japan, but it

543
00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:20.000
was very rare, like Japan was
very closed off. But it's really even

544
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:24.679
doubly peculiar because when you start getting
into Japan opening up, turns out,

545
00:46:24.719 --> 00:46:29.360
although they adopted a lot of mythologies
and stuff from around the world. A

546
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:32.719
lot of their beliefs were already identical
to what other cultures practiced, Like the

547
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:37.280
practice of opening the mouth of the
dead in Egypt was also practiced in South

548
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:43.599
America, and it was also practiced
in Japan. But this was way before

549
00:46:44.280 --> 00:46:46.920
Japan was Japan. This is like
before even there were clans in Japan.

550
00:46:46.960 --> 00:46:52.360
We're talking thousands and thousands and thousands
of years ago. So it kind of

551
00:46:52.400 --> 00:46:55.239
suggests to me, and this is
pure speculation, especially when you look at

552
00:46:55.480 --> 00:47:00.519
Shintoism, which is Confucianism, Taoism, and Buddhism, which comes from India.

553
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:06.480
Somebody clearly took a lot of information
to Japan a long, long time

554
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ago, long before Japan became Japan, and it's almost acted as like an

555
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:14.519
incubator and a preserver for a lot
of ancient traditions that otherwise have been lost

556
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to history. They're an intimate part
of Japanese culture even today, and at

557
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least that's my assessment from what I've
read, and I found that to be

558
00:47:22.239 --> 00:47:24.719
really interesting. I'm like, they
have the same practice of opening the mouth

559
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:30.039
in Japan that they had in ancient
Egypt and ancient meso America. Like,

560
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what are the chances of that.
So there either had to have been some

561
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widespread, interconnected culture or humans just
truly do see the world so similarly that

562
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we developed the same rituals. And
maybe there's a little bit true to both

563
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of those things. I have no
idea. I just find it fascinating.

564
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I don't know what to make of
it. Well, and Raw isn't he

565
00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:57.480
depicted as a green god as well
from ancient Egypt and a some disc He

566
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rides the solar boat just like Ama
Terra Sushi as a solar boat mom,

567
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:06.639
and Raw has the solar boat as
well as do countless. See that can't

568
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:09.119
be just coincidence, you know,
from a layman's I as I look as

569
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an observer and saying, so we
have vast distances that apparently, you know,

570
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:17.480
primitive man would not have been able
to traverse, you know, well,

571
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:21.880
unless you take this Amaran point of
view that they invented the sale.

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00:48:22.599 --> 00:48:29.199
But nevertheless, it seems like there
is this commonality of customs practices that can

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be found in cultures that span the
chronology of our existence. And that just

574
00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:43.000
tells you get the feeling it's almost
like we're being manipulated. You can't let

575
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one culture get too far advanced in
one particular way, because eventually you'll see

576
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:52.360
that it shows up in another place. It's it's very odd. I mean

577
00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:57.840
it, I don't know, you
know, is there's true consciousness? Is

578
00:48:57.880 --> 00:49:01.280
it like Mars? You know?
Is it the big Eye? I mean

579
00:49:01.519 --> 00:49:06.079
the big egg? I don't know. Some people referred to it, maybe

580
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:10.199
as the hundred monkey experiment. One
person learns something. It could also be

581
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:15.760
that, and it doesn't have to
be like an immense civilization that was global

582
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:19.519
and had internet. It just means
that people were more connected and had an

583
00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.960
understanding. Perhaps we know that's for
sure about a lot of cultures, the

584
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:27.079
Phoenicians, for example, masters of
the Ocean, like the Templars. There

585
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:32.800
is physical abundant evidence that the Joman
culture of what we call Japan and Japan,

586
00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:38.800
which preceded the Yayoi. They actually
found pottery of the Joman in Brazil

587
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:43.599
and a couple of other places,
which is way way way far away from

588
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Japan. And when the Joman existed, we're talking, they were supposed to

589
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:51.239
be hunter gatherers who didn't do anything
except gather and hunt, and yet they

590
00:49:51.360 --> 00:49:57.920
their pottery is more sophisticated than later
cultures that supposedly were more advanced. And

591
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:00.880
not only that, but if you
go to Hokkaido in Japan, I haven't

592
00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:04.920
been there. When I'm planning to
go the Joman Museum, they actually had

593
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:08.000
the oldest pottery in the world is
Joman pottery, or at least what's been

594
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:13.559
found. It's sixteen thousand and five
hundred I think it's sixteen thousand, five

595
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:17.840
hundred BC, and sophisticated pottery for
that time period that goes back before the

596
00:50:17.880 --> 00:50:22.320
younger Driyat And that's yeah. I
was going to say, you're you're talking

597
00:50:23.400 --> 00:50:29.840
pre Golbi Tepia of the Comet.
Oh yeah, this is yeah, you

598
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:31.719
see, and it goes to show
you how this whole we're talking about Christmas

599
00:50:31.719 --> 00:50:36.239
and how this goes full circle.
But this is so revalent to the conversation

600
00:50:37.239 --> 00:50:40.760
because it is the fact the foundations
are the tenets of how we arrive today

601
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.920
within our culture. It's fascinating.
I mean, you know, and didn't

602
00:50:45.960 --> 00:50:52.239
they find in Bolivia Messopatonian architects artifacts
that they still can't quite figure it out

603
00:50:52.280 --> 00:50:54.599
how they got there. I'm uncertain
of that story. I'd have to look

604
00:50:54.639 --> 00:51:00.639
that up. You also have the
Grand Canyon as well, Grand can I

605
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:05.800
don't know how much truth there is
that whole Grand Canyon story, but it

606
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:10.880
is definitely interesting. You know,
about the Green King, there had been

607
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:17.239
a catastrophe or something, and and
collapse of civilization, which quit things,

608
00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:22.800
you know, traveling across the oceans. And if they had advanced pottery,

609
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:28.719
wouldn't they have had advanced boats or
advanced you know, other things besides that.

610
00:51:28.920 --> 00:51:30.960
I mean, and and you're talking
about pottery and things being found.

611
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:37.360
Well, I study the Native Americans
and and uh, they've had you know,

612
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:43.360
pieces of stuff from Mesopotamia too.
They you know, little little amulets

613
00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:49.639
or whatever. Uh, you know
that they carried around with them for centuries,

614
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:53.320
passed down. I believe Native the
Native Americans. I don't know how

615
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:58.320
many different groups, but I know
that the Kree language. I've heard this

616
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:00.639
from Canadian more than one Canadian friend
of mine. They say that the Kree

617
00:52:00.719 --> 00:52:06.679
language is really similar to Japanese,
which is different than ancient Japanese. But

618
00:52:06.840 --> 00:52:12.079
modern Japanese people can actually have mild
interactions with Cree people because the language is

619
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:15.199
so similar. So some that makes
some people think that perhaps, I mean,

620
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:19.039
whether it's a land bridge or what
Yeah, the land bridge is immediately

621
00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:22.599
when I was thinking that, yeah, Or did they traverse the ocean,

622
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:27.400
Well, the Joman clearly got I
mean, or someone came to ancient Japan

623
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:31.639
and took the pottery to south to
South America or something to that effect.

624
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:37.239
I guess. Also you'd have to
look at the fact that the uh I

625
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:44.719
mean the communication between cultures. You
know, we have like physical evidence of

626
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:47.480
not just the Joman stuff, but
like in Egypt, next to the Great

627
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:52.039
the Great Great Pyramid of Kufu as
we call it, they found, and

628
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:55.800
this is mainline history, they found
massive seafaring boats that not only were they

629
00:52:55.880 --> 00:53:00.960
seafaring and like they were water tight, they could have went on the they

630
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:05.880
also were uh they were they could
break them apart and take them in pieces

631
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:09.000
to wherever they wanted to take them. That's mainline history. So the Egyptians

632
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:13.800
have these immense boats that were seafaring, they were able to take them apart,

633
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:15.800
put them back together, and they're
in as good condition, almost as

634
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:20.079
in good condition today like mummies,
as they were they when they were built.

635
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:22.440
They still from what I understand and
what I've read, I could be

636
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:28.000
wrong, they still could float over
that long of a time span. So

637
00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:31.960
I mean that piece of evidence,
mixed with so much more stuff shows you

638
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:37.119
that certainly these people were not primitive
in the way that we believe. And

639
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:39.719
perhaps the reason all these Christmas traditions
and all these things about the Green Man,

640
00:53:40.159 --> 00:53:45.000
the reason that they're sustained is because
they're they're universal no matter where you

641
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:47.559
live. You live in Japan,
or you live in the Middle East,

642
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:51.920
or you live in the America's I
mean, for the most part, the

643
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:57.559
seasons change, and we identify those
seasons and personify them as the four horses

644
00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:00.519
of the apocalypse, or as the
Green Man, or as witches do in

645
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:06.679
parts of the UK. Still the
Holly King and the Oak King that rule

646
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.000
half the year each and then they
slay each other like was Cyrus and set.

647
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:13.559
These are universal things. And I
think just Campbell said it best.

648
00:54:13.559 --> 00:54:16.920
He said that the reason these things
persist is because not only the foundation of

649
00:54:16.960 --> 00:54:22.079
culture, but all these different stories
they're all observations of the natural world.

650
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:25.760
And it doesn't matter what language you
speak, what your culture is, you

651
00:54:25.800 --> 00:54:30.880
know what you like to what you
like to eat, you still are living

652
00:54:30.920 --> 00:54:34.320
in the natural world. So they're
going to be pretty universal in nature.

653
00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:37.840
And that could also mean that there
doesn't have to be an ancient loss civilization.

654
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:42.239
We just naturally see the same things
and call them something different. And

655
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:45.320
it could be that our species is
a species that collectively we look for a

656
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:52.440
reason for hope. You know,
we as a species are so abused,

657
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:58.719
and this is just my observation.
We batter each other, we're battered by

658
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:04.440
outside influences and invisible influences. And
it may be the true that it may

659
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:08.760
be the only time of the year, that may moment of time that humanity

660
00:55:08.840 --> 00:55:14.320
can be united. And if there's
a hope that we can find one day,

661
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:19.320
whether it's a baby Jesus and a
manger, a Santa Claus or Christmas

662
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.760
tree, maybe it's that element of
hope and that's why we all focus in

663
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:27.840
on it. And no matter what
our diverse opinions are, we still find

664
00:55:27.960 --> 00:55:30.679
unity in the thought, Well,
if we could just treat every single day

665
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:36.559
like it's Christmas, then I think
we would be all right. All expression,

666
00:55:36.639 --> 00:55:38.800
you can do that in one hand, and then yeah, you know

667
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:45.559
which, because it seems like people
are very generous around Christmas time, and

668
00:55:45.599 --> 00:55:47.760
then like the day after. It's
kind of like, you know, after

669
00:55:47.880 --> 00:55:53.679
church on Sundays, you go that
till next year, and then the next

670
00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:58.360
day I'm out at the bar drinking
and doing all this stuff. You know.

671
00:55:58.440 --> 00:56:04.079
It's kind of it seems. Yeah, instead of Merry Christmas, it's

672
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:07.719
up yours man. Yeah, right
back at you day after on Tuesday,

673
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:10.880
they're going to be right back at
it. The kids look a deer.

674
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:20.960
I need some rednecks that, you
know. Their whole idea of stand in

675
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:30.880
the reindeer was free dinner, you
know, was their opinion. Oh,

676
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:32.599
I'm sorry, right, go ahead. No, I was just gonna have

677
00:56:32.639 --> 00:56:39.199
you mentioned some of your research into
Lilith for Wayne. Wayne has done a

678
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:44.119
lot of research and things into Lilith, and we were talking about this the

679
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:49.880
other day on the phone, about
the callers that Lilith would wear, and

680
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:58.320
then that correlating to uh Quatzacadal as
well the rainbow serpent. God. Yeah,

681
00:56:58.440 --> 00:57:00.760
I'll try to be very brief.
I don't want to hijack the whole

682
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:04.239
conversation, but yeah, Lilith and
I didn't know that I was reading a

683
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:07.599
random encyclopedia because I was doing some
research for a new book, and it

684
00:57:07.639 --> 00:57:14.239
says in the Encyclopedia that Lilith wears
a rainbow necklace, and I just thought

685
00:57:14.280 --> 00:57:17.719
that that was peculiar, didn't think
much about it. I didn't even think

686
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:21.960
much about the significance of the rainbow
in regard to that. And the more

687
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:28.480
I was reading, I was writing
this chapter from my book about the concept

688
00:57:28.519 --> 00:57:32.079
of demons and what they represent,
and then I started to realize reading and

689
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:36.440
referencing all these other books for my
book, I sort of realized, like,

690
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:39.199
wait a minute, the cult adherence
to Lilith and a number of other

691
00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:45.239
demons Galo Mormo. These are like
Greek and Roman demons la Mia, which

692
00:57:45.280 --> 00:57:52.800
is a vampire. They all have
very similar commonalities to certain political movements today.

693
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:57.320
For example, in these groups,
the women would try to be masculine.

694
00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:01.079
They would care literally, they would
carry around fake penises with them and

695
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:07.719
not for fertility festivals. They would
utilize the rainbow as a symbol of their

696
00:58:07.760 --> 00:58:10.440
cult, which is why Lilith wears
the rainbow necklace. And then you get

697
00:58:10.480 --> 00:58:13.559
into a little bit more You're like, well, what could the rainbow represent

698
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:15.239
that context, It's like, well, it's a it's a comment between man

699
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:20.400
and God in parts of the like
in Scandinavia, it was the bridge that

700
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:23.039
the gods used to get to Earth, to get to Asgard. In Japan,

701
00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:28.199
it was the bridge that is anogging. Is Anami stirred the primordial waters

702
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:30.719
on to create humanity, and then
they pulled the they pulled the spoon up

703
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:35.719
and the droplets dropped down into the
ocean and formed the Japanese islands. So

704
00:58:35.760 --> 00:58:38.880
it's a bridge to heaven. But
Lilith is a demon of the underworld,

705
00:58:38.880 --> 00:58:43.559
and she's a temptress, and she's
the abort of children. So it's a

706
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:46.559
it's a bridge to the abyss in
regard to Lilith. So you have the

707
00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:52.000
abort, the temptress, promiscuity,
the murdering of children, that the tempting

708
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:54.599
of men, like physical, actual
masculine men, the tempting of them to

709
00:58:54.639 --> 00:58:59.400
steal their sperm to create demons.
That's what she does. And then you

710
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:01.639
have the rainbow. And then you
have her cult adherents that literally carry fake

711
00:59:01.639 --> 00:59:06.199
penises with them, And I thought, wow, that sounds pretty damn similar

712
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:10.519
to some social political movements today.
I don't know by will, but that's

713
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:15.920
kind of peculiar. So that's that's
what I found. Yeah sure, yeah,

714
00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:22.079
yeah, the rainbow at the rainbow
collar hair. Women who wear the

715
00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:30.239
rainbow and probably carry around some of
those fake things you were talking about,

716
00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:43.480
that old nose, old back to
the back to the fertility thing again all

717
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:47.719
comes back to it always does it
really does. I mean that's what the

718
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:52.039
Green Man is all about, fertility, bringing those You should read the Library

719
00:59:52.079 --> 01:00:05.599
Lilith by Donaldson. That it uh, it will it will give you a

720
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:14.719
new perspective on Lilith. My family
name, which just goes all the way

721
01:00:14.719 --> 01:00:20.920
back into Germany. A distant relative
was probably the last person known to try

722
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:30.400
to actually have full uh intercourse with
Lilith in both the corporeal and the ethereal.

723
01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:34.880
So it's but it's a it's a
book worth reading. It's quite illuminating.

724
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:38.320
I will sincerely look it up.
That one's interesting, something I haven't

725
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:43.360
read. Look, you Stone brings
up something interesting. Greek and Roman god.

726
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:46.679
Greek and Roman demons are not Christian
demons. Well, if it can

727
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:52.760
work for the opposite way around,
you could. Yeah. I think these

728
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:58.360
guys all have the same resume.
They're just changing the dates. Yeah,

729
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:07.400
so what are you It's like,
Yeah, we brought that up on my

730
01:01:07.480 --> 01:01:12.920
show the other day about the calendar
and that you know, maybe maybe the

731
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:16.559
calendar is all messed up. You
know, maybe Christmas should be the twenty

732
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:22.360
fifth, should be like New Year's
and or you know, the months should

733
01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:27.719
be switched around, because none of
it actually makes any sense, need to

734
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:31.320
be tweaked anyhow. The ancient Celts
would celebrate New Year's on November first,

735
01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:37.360
after the falling of the veil for
Halloween. Isn't there another culture that it

736
01:01:37.519 --> 01:01:44.239
was in the springtime? Yeah,
the seven seventh yep, I think so.

737
01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:49.360
Yeah, And I believe the Chinese
and a number of different South Asian

738
01:01:49.360 --> 01:01:54.519
countries, Yeah, they have the
Hungry Ghost Festival sometime in the summertime,

739
01:01:54.559 --> 01:01:59.559
and that's kind of like they're Halloween
where the ghosts roam the earth. And

740
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:01.880
all the interpretations, whether they're Celtic, Chinese, whatever, they all make

741
01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:09.320
sense to their respective you know cultures. They're all related, the sure are

742
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:19.679
Yeah, it all is conversation.
This has just been fascinating. I I

743
01:02:19.760 --> 01:02:22.079
was gonna go back to like the
whole you know, like Satan or whatever.

744
01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:25.239
I don't think Satan existed, Okay, I think Satan, like you

745
01:02:25.280 --> 01:02:30.320
said, adversary. That's what it
says the Book of Enoch actually plural Satans.

746
01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:35.519
We all have them in our lives, you know, but then somehow

747
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:38.320
you know the church, you know, and then you know, yeah,

748
01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:40.960
if a lot of people are fearful, or a lot of people are maybe

749
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:45.280
even worshiping, this thing is now
become a thing. It's you know,

750
01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:50.320
because some people do say that they
have met Satan or whatever, they work

751
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:52.559
with Satan or whatever. So it's
become a thing now, I guess,

752
01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:57.000
because you know, same with Jesus. You know it met Jesus. Well,

753
01:02:57.039 --> 01:03:00.920
he's probably become a thing too now
because we'veated it with all our worship

754
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:06.719
and or fear whichever. It's the
same energy essentially, you know, and

755
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:15.119
and made it so, you know, so exactly thought for the antithesis.

756
01:03:15.360 --> 01:03:19.559
Otherwise their progenitor doesn't have a chance
to be the hero. That's true.

757
01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:22.559
You cannot have one without the other. That's why I find it. It's

758
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:27.480
so asinine and bizarre that the Satanic
Temple with a straight face put on their

759
01:03:27.519 --> 01:03:32.679
website where satanists but we don't believe
in Satan, and wet a video about

760
01:03:32.679 --> 01:03:38.320
this, because what the hell are
you doing. Yeah, both of the

761
01:03:39.400 --> 01:03:44.840
don't believe in Satan. So there
you go, folks. You know Christians

762
01:03:44.880 --> 01:03:49.679
actually believe in Satan more Yeah,
yeah, that's a great point, Ryan,

763
01:03:49.760 --> 01:03:54.199
because you know at our Sunday services
we heard more testimonies of how the

764
01:03:54.239 --> 01:03:58.400
devil was beating everybody else up and
you know, pray for us. You

765
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:01.480
know you're going, I thought the
guy was defeated. What the hell is

766
01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:08.719
he doing? Now? The archangel
we got money off of it, you

767
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:13.159
know, because we're going to ease
your burdens. Now pay up. As

768
01:04:13.239 --> 01:04:15.039
writer knows, the archangel Michael has
been busy. He couldn't be fighting the

769
01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:25.199
devil. He's teaching people how to
make those yeurine baths right that we call

770
01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:30.800
it golden shower up here. But
I don't know about you. Can I?

771
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:33.760
Can I respond to the demon comment
about the Greek and the Romans?

772
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:40.079
Yeah, so, universally speaking,
I disagree with that statement, although I

773
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:45.199
would have to objectively ask the person
what what they mean by demons, because

774
01:04:45.199 --> 01:04:47.800
the like demon is Greek. The
word demon is Greek comes from Damon,

775
01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:56.000
which is both did he spell it? Okay? So yes it is.

776
01:04:57.119 --> 01:05:00.800
That's at least where our word comes
from yeah, so so like in other

777
01:05:00.840 --> 01:05:02.960
cultures, they have different names for
it. But I find this really interesting.

778
01:05:03.159 --> 01:05:06.280
I'll keep it very short and quick
to the point. So what do

779
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:10.639
we do when we want to get
rid of a demon? We exercise the

780
01:05:10.679 --> 01:05:15.719
demon. Traditionally, demons were seen
as illnesses and sicknesses, and whether they

781
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:21.559
were performing in Egypt or Greece or
even in places like Japan, the samurai

782
01:05:21.599 --> 01:05:26.159
would cut the air above a sick
person's head and it would sever the connection

783
01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:31.239
to the demon, so they perform
samurai performed exorcisms. Egyptian priests performed exorcisms

784
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:35.559
with water from the Nile, a
baptismal rite to put out the to put

785
01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:40.880
out the fire of the demons,
and that's there's ritual scrolls that talk about

786
01:05:40.920 --> 01:05:44.880
that in Egypt and even in Greece
as well. But the point is,

787
01:05:44.920 --> 01:05:48.920
we exercise demons like we exercise to
keep healthy. And that's what the demon

788
01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:53.760
really is. It's a sickness of
the mind, maybe like the Lilith cult,

789
01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:57.119
although Lilith is not all negative,
but it's a sickness of the mind.

790
01:05:57.159 --> 01:06:00.000
It's a sickness of the body.
We're really sick. We don't really

791
01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:03.719
feel good. Nowadays, everything's COVID. Back then it was you're demonically possessed,

792
01:06:03.760 --> 01:06:08.599
and so you would try to make
the person healthy. Baptismal type water

793
01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:12.039
is holy water. You do all
kinds of things that were ritualistic, you

794
01:06:12.079 --> 01:06:15.599
know, say certain phrases, magical
incantations, or you'd use the like the

795
01:06:15.599 --> 01:06:20.840
apercadabra, which would apper cadabra abracadab
and it would just get shorter and shorter

796
01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:25.480
and smaller and smaller until the disease
dissipates. Put that on a parchment,

797
01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:29.280
put on the person's body, it
would hopefully alleviate the disease. The point

798
01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:32.039
is, demons, damons, whatever
you want to call them, are personifications

799
01:06:32.039 --> 01:06:38.559
of disease or crookedness or evil.
And when you exercise to keep healthy or

800
01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:43.000
exercise, the demon be gone.
It's the same thing. Demons are universal

801
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:47.239
to every culture. They just basically
illness and corruption in whatever form that takes.

802
01:06:47.679 --> 01:06:53.119
And they go to church more than
angels do. Apparently, so apparently.

803
01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:55.400
So yeah, well, you know
you got to have a good cop

804
01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:58.440
and a bad cop, right,
So that's what the church got going there.

805
01:06:58.920 --> 01:07:01.440
They're working together. I mean again, I have one with the other.

806
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:05.639
So that's what people don't understand,
you know, like, yeah,

807
01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:12.599
I saw a lot of spirits demons, if you will, swirling up in

808
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:18.039
the church roof there. Yeah.
Well, here's the consensus for how many

809
01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:25.559
times Satan has been mentioned in the
Bible is thirty eight times and thirty six

810
01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:32.639
versus Lucifer only mentioned once, and
the Devil never mentioned. There you go,

811
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:42.000
Devil never mentioned it. Sometimes it's
a translation from Satan, but originally

812
01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:49.880
Devil was never in the Bible.
And then Lucifer was a mistranslation to from

813
01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:55.760
morning Star. That was you know
again Jerome, and I swear he was

814
01:07:55.760 --> 01:08:02.920
eating mushrooms there. So pat mos, I mean just killing the god goes

815
01:08:02.960 --> 01:08:13.400
and lives in cesa Ria the cave
for something. Ye okay, maybe because

816
01:08:13.760 --> 01:08:17.000
yeah, anyway, Actually, the
whole Garden of Eden's story is like an

817
01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:24.119
ayahuasca trip because the depictions and descriptions
of Lilith, the first woman was a

818
01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:28.399
red haired woman, half human,
half serpent. That's mother ayahuasca when you

819
01:08:28.439 --> 01:08:30.800
take I mean, I've never taken
it, but that's what I've seen in

820
01:08:30.840 --> 01:08:33.640
paintings, half woman, half serpent, tempting you on the tree in the

821
01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:40.680
garden that's what an ayahuasca experience looks
like from paintings. MM. Interesting.

822
01:08:40.720 --> 01:08:44.640
I've never taking it either, so
I can't I can't say. But they're

823
01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:50.000
all just tripping balls that you don't
talk to burning bushes when you're sober.

824
01:08:50.039 --> 01:08:53.079
I mean, come on, no, I mean, you know that's just

825
01:08:53.239 --> 01:08:57.800
not the way. That nick some
wine into that and you got yourself a

826
01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:05.119
schmort never seen a burning bush myself
on the line, But I dropped some

827
01:09:05.199 --> 01:09:10.560
more in Sunshine and was talking to
a girl that grew big ears and started

828
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:16.640
getting these green stripes like that lucky
gum they used to have. I told

829
01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:24.560
her, I said, you're one
weird looking you know, all those all

830
01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:27.840
these stories. It's so fascinating how
this comes back around full circle because you

831
01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:32.079
talk about what you guys are saying
about about these just reminds me of like

832
01:09:32.119 --> 01:09:35.119
the fairy lore and the and the
Ufo lore, and how those things are

833
01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:40.399
similar, but how fairies are basically
little little elves, you know, little

834
01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:44.880
helpers of Santa Claus. And that's
partly where some of the tradition comes from

835
01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:47.840
his shamanism. And so we're back
to Christmas again. Little elves, little

836
01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:55.239
helpers and Santa who in a mythological
way. It is certainly not a physical

837
01:09:55.600 --> 01:10:01.199
being. It's like a very esoteric
and a cult concept that transcends time and

838
01:10:01.239 --> 01:10:05.840
space and can be everywhere all at
once. Well. Actually I grew up

839
01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:10.760
in Norway and Santa in Norway.
When we were growing up, it was

840
01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:15.079
a small it still is over there, a small little elf like three foot

841
01:10:15.119 --> 01:10:17.479
tall maybe that kind of thing.
Uh, you know, And so we

842
01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:23.439
used to set out I think a
porridge for Santa. That's what we used

843
01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:26.079
to do. And now you've got
milk and cookies inside, but we used

844
01:10:26.079 --> 01:10:28.760
to it just used to be in
the barn, you know. So obviously

845
01:10:28.800 --> 01:10:30.479
there was animals eating and whatever.
But yeah, you go in the morning,

846
01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:33.520
sure enough it's gone. Oh Santa
was here? Are you reading this?

847
01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:36.800
And as we call it there,
But yeah, it was a short,

848
01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:43.720
little elfy type of being. That's
what Santa was or is over there.

849
01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:47.399
So this whole this whole time of
the year too. Like we when

850
01:10:47.439 --> 01:10:50.640
I first came on, you guys
were talking about the phallic nature of things.

851
01:10:51.119 --> 01:10:55.800
And when you talk about like the
ulog or the Christmas lights like you

852
01:10:55.880 --> 01:11:02.239
have there on your head. Yeah, yeah, there they are little little

853
01:11:02.319 --> 01:11:08.359
Chodes. This actually reminds me of
the Liberty lady that you guys got in

854
01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:11.720
the States. Lady Liberty. Is
that what she wears on her head?

855
01:11:12.159 --> 01:11:15.359
Yeah, some rays of sun,
which I guess the lights are just the

856
01:11:15.439 --> 01:11:19.960
same. Rumors have it that that's
really Lilith, but who knows Lucifer?

857
01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:24.000
So who knows you know, a
light bringer? You know, well,

858
01:11:24.239 --> 01:11:28.840
maybe Lucifer is more feminine than masculine. I believe so. Well, Lucifer

859
01:11:28.840 --> 01:11:33.119
actually doesn't have a gender, so
it is very beautiful beings you whatever you

860
01:11:33.159 --> 01:11:39.520
want. But that, yeah,
that's what Christmas and all this is really

861
01:11:39.520 --> 01:11:43.439
about. It's non binary. Is
that what you're saying, Nina, Yeah,

862
01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:50.039
well I just want to make the
right box. That's fluid. What

863
01:11:50.119 --> 01:11:57.199
are you when you think of it? Though? The satro Liberty kind of

864
01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:04.359
looks like, what doesn't this stand
you? Liberty have a sash? Angels?

865
01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:09.800
Yeah, she's Angelaus the light thing
in her hand or her him.

866
01:12:09.800 --> 01:12:13.520
I don't know what it is,
but I often thought that Christmas sight still

867
01:12:13.560 --> 01:12:19.479
remind me of the pine cone.
There's a certain relationships. Pine Cones is

868
01:12:19.479 --> 01:12:24.239
the decoration that we use at Christmas
time because it's one of the only things

869
01:12:24.239 --> 01:12:28.800
that are left out in the forest
that we can find. Again, interesting

870
01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:32.520
how the pine comb plays such a
central role in so many religions. Well,

871
01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:38.319
the third eye, right when you
go and look at the Vatican,

872
01:12:38.359 --> 01:12:42.000
the a pine cones everywhere, oh
yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, or

873
01:12:42.039 --> 01:12:49.439
the Pinal Glen. Some people Lady
Lady Liberty, if you will, supposedly

874
01:12:49.479 --> 01:12:53.760
more so based off of Lady Justindia, which is a Roman goddess, and

875
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:56.760
if you look at her, she
holds the scales, but she also has

876
01:12:56.760 --> 01:12:59.640
a sword, and she has that
sash, and she has a very similar,

877
01:13:00.399 --> 01:13:04.279
let's say, appearance to maybe even
an archangel Michael, because Michael displays

878
01:13:04.359 --> 01:13:10.640
evil, the dragon darkness, and
this is what Justini it does. The

879
01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:15.239
darkness slays injustice. And as a
matter of fact, that's like Christmas,

880
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:18.600
Halloween. We have Jack o'lange for
Halloween, we have candles for m Bulk

881
01:13:18.960 --> 01:13:24.119
Easter is you know, the sun
getting stronger during the equinox leading into the

882
01:13:24.119 --> 01:13:27.960
summer solstice. It's really all about
illumination and light in this and those types

883
01:13:28.000 --> 01:13:30.520
of such and well that's yeah,
that's kind of why I brought it up,

884
01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:34.800
because it's also illuminating. Yeah,
yeah, right, So it's not

885
01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:40.479
something evil, you know, is
ling the light of knowledge? Right?

886
01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:44.760
Not knowledge? Wisdom and knowledge.
Yes, and you'll you'll note if you

887
01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:47.520
pay it close enough attention. If
you want to see the devil, look

888
01:13:47.560 --> 01:13:53.319
at the the Hite tarot deck which
shows you L diablo and I don't know

889
01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:56.880
if rider you want to bring this
up. The L diablo card shows the

890
01:13:56.960 --> 01:14:01.199
devil with horns that go up and
point down. He holds the torch down

891
01:14:01.279 --> 01:14:05.399
to illuminate the infernal, and his
pentagram, which is the four you know,

892
01:14:05.479 --> 01:14:09.199
the arms and legs and the head
is the consciousness, which is why

893
01:14:09.239 --> 01:14:12.520
o Cyrus is the head out of
the wrapped mummy. It's the fifth point,

894
01:14:12.680 --> 01:14:15.760
the fifth element, if you will. And so those four points are

895
01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:21.720
actually inverted on El diablo, so
that the pentagram pulls your attention downward to

896
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:25.840
where the flame goes. On the
other hand, if you look at Baphomet,

897
01:14:25.920 --> 01:14:30.359
Bafomet is a compositive male and female
darkness and light, androgynous in the

898
01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:34.199
sense of this universality. And that
means that when the Lady Liberty holds the

899
01:14:34.199 --> 01:14:38.520
torch upward, it's in no way, shape or form demonic unless you make

900
01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:40.800
it demonic. It would be demonic. On the other hand, if the

901
01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:44.039
torch was held downward, there's a
huge difference in the symbolism there, and

902
01:14:44.039 --> 01:14:51.079
that's important. There's so many different
al Diablo too cards online, just the

903
01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:59.800
Edward the White deck w A I
T E L Diablo Old Yablo White Deck

904
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:05.000
vite w A. It's He'll have
He'll be. Actually he's sitting on a

905
01:15:05.039 --> 01:15:10.239
black cube, so that's Saturn or
Santa Claus actually, and he has two

906
01:15:10.319 --> 01:15:14.760
humans chained to the cube, which
is our material bodies attached to the physical

907
01:15:14.800 --> 01:15:18.880
world. And Christmas is all about
you know what presence am I getting from?

908
01:15:18.920 --> 01:15:25.520
Material? Kind of represent addiction,
a lot of a lot of you

909
01:15:25.560 --> 01:15:29.520
know, that card comes up.
There could be addictions, chain two things,

910
01:15:29.640 --> 01:15:32.840
you know, breaking free from you
know, your your devil is your

911
01:15:32.840 --> 01:15:36.239
addictions, whatever your vices are.
You know, that's your devil, isn't

912
01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:39.760
it? Yep? And it could
just be it could also be the death

913
01:15:39.800 --> 01:15:42.920
of something bad. Yeah, givee
the death, which is you know,

914
01:15:42.960 --> 01:15:45.680
a new beginning. You know the
end of something is always the beginning of

915
01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:48.520
something new, isn't it. Yea? Yeah, there's the devil card.

916
01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:50.880
Yeah, I know, it's you
know, it doesn't mean something bad,

917
01:15:51.119 --> 01:15:59.239
right, it's just for listeners and
viewers. Note the horns, the torch,

918
01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:02.399
the black cube. So this is
also interesting for saturn too and for

919
01:16:02.479 --> 01:16:09.600
Christmas because the Romans celebrated Christmas as
Saturnalia, right to mention that, Yeah,

920
01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:13.840
Saturnalia, which is all about fertility
as well, or or sex,

921
01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:15.680
I should say, I don't know. Fertility was part of it, and

922
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:20.640
they called it. There's a lot
of sex. One they called the lords

923
01:16:20.680 --> 01:16:25.840
of this rule where things were inverted. And there's a lot of wordplay here

924
01:16:25.840 --> 01:16:29.079
too, because the black box is
also the box that the gift comes in,

925
01:16:29.239 --> 01:16:32.399
or it's like you got a package
to deliver sexually speaking, when it

926
01:16:32.439 --> 01:16:39.319
comes to Christmas as a fertility things
that are in the package. Yeah,

927
01:16:39.359 --> 01:16:45.439
and look at all these big companies
black boxes. All is like yeah,

928
01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:51.760
okay, yeah the cob didn't They
put horns on Moses too, and some

929
01:16:51.840 --> 01:16:57.560
of the depictions, yeah, those
were representing his wisdom. Yeah yeah,

930
01:16:57.720 --> 01:17:00.920
yeah, horns, Yeah, that's
where that comes from. And the juice

931
01:17:00.920 --> 01:17:10.039
will blow the rams horn yeah right. Michael Angelo put horns on him,

932
01:17:10.079 --> 01:17:15.720
and he's in other Greek positions with
horns, and it's like, so is

933
01:17:15.760 --> 01:17:19.359
there connection and and the horns are
kind of represented just like the double horns

934
01:17:19.439 --> 01:17:23.079
kind of a way they come up
at the top of his head and kind

935
01:17:23.079 --> 01:17:27.079
of, you know, curve around
a little bit. So totally right.

936
01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:30.760
That's the goat god Pond. And
that's also the green Man once again.

937
01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:41.720
That's it full circle Pan or Pan
Pan Pan, Pond Pam And where do

938
01:17:41.760 --> 01:17:50.800
you think he comes from? From? What I remember? The kids?

939
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:56.239
So you know the gal that anyway, yeah, Green. Did you guys

940
01:17:56.239 --> 01:18:01.640
ever see Pond's Labyrinths? Yeah,
with that Tom Cruise No, no,

941
01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:08.600
not Tom's elthus in it. I
don't know if you could pull up the

942
01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:12.640
pictures for them. But Pond's Labyrinth
it's a very occult story, and it's

943
01:18:12.680 --> 01:18:16.960
actually telling the story the Greek story
of Persephone who gets kidnapped by Hades into

944
01:18:17.000 --> 01:18:21.920
the underworld and she has to stay
there equal to the amount of time based

945
01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:26.640
on what she ate. So she
eats a fraction of a pomegranate and she

946
01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:30.119
has to stay in the underworld for
a third of the year. And that's

947
01:18:30.159 --> 01:18:32.920
the story that Demeter gets so distraught
her mother. Demeter gets so distraught that

948
01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:38.359
she allows everything to die and that
becomes the winter time. And then when

949
01:18:38.359 --> 01:18:42.119
Persephone comes back to the surface,
she allows everything to grow once again,

950
01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:45.159
and that's the spring. And Persephone
therefore acts as this kind of savior.

951
01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:48.920
And you can see there what rider
pulled up. That's the Paleman's layer.

952
01:18:49.239 --> 01:18:54.239
The pale Man is the rake.
He is a demonic like character. But

953
01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:57.640
when she goes down there, they
tell her not to eat any of the

954
01:18:57.680 --> 01:19:00.560
food or she'll get trapped there in
the underworld. That is a classical Greek

955
01:19:00.680 --> 01:19:04.880
myth. She'll get trapped there.
Same with the story of Orpheus and Iritis

956
01:19:04.920 --> 01:19:09.199
as well, which is actually similar
to the story of lat and his wife.

957
01:19:09.399 --> 01:19:12.359
Don't look back, or you'll turn
into a pillar of salt or sand

958
01:19:12.399 --> 01:19:24.520
or smoke. M Yeah, that's
right, King James Boom, I'm a

959
01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:31.159
lama gang h. That's really interesting
because I always wondered what that, uh

960
01:19:31.479 --> 01:19:36.079
the story was all about the lady
being turned into a pillar of salt.

961
01:19:36.119 --> 01:19:41.560
I'm not to check that movie out. I think the original translation was smoke.

962
01:19:41.960 --> 01:19:45.600
Wasn't it smoke? Smoke? I
don't think it's salt. I think

963
01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:49.560
it's sand or smoke or something.
But well, the salts in the Bible,

964
01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:53.439
you know, being turned into salt. But I don't know. I

965
01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:55.800
read that that was I don't speak
Greek or Hebrew, but I read that

966
01:19:55.800 --> 01:20:00.720
that was a mistranslation too, But
doesn't have any of those Oh yeah,

967
01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:13.000
a verse word. Yeah, anybody's
call the godspail. Yeah, that's right,

968
01:20:13.159 --> 01:20:15.960
that's right, That's what it is. That book is so full,

969
01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:21.359
especially he reads Psalms, that the
Bible is so full of magical incantations and

970
01:20:21.479 --> 01:20:28.520
ritualistic things. It's unbelievable that people
hold that as a symbol of I'm fighting

971
01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:31.960
against magic and this and that.
It's like that book is essential book of

972
01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:36.439
magic. Just not your dain,
minister. I tell people in my fifty

973
01:20:36.560 --> 01:20:44.560
years of Christianity was basically forty years
of a initiation into the occult. Yes,

974
01:20:44.560 --> 01:20:47.279
you is what you were exactly.
I mean I laid hands I was

975
01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:51.199
part of Kenneth Copeland and laying you
know, the healing ministries and went to

976
01:20:51.279 --> 01:20:56.760
prisons, preached in hospitals, laid
hands on the sick, saw miracles take

977
01:20:56.800 --> 01:21:01.840
place. Copeland he looks possessed when
he's up there, like what he's a

978
01:21:01.880 --> 01:21:08.399
powerful magician. Yeah, he's into
some stuff that I don't think his congregation

979
01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:13.640
is aware of, so let's put
it that way. Yeah, that's why

980
01:21:13.680 --> 01:21:15.479
he didn't want to be touched,
because not being whatever was in him,

981
01:21:15.520 --> 01:21:19.760
didn't want anybody touching him. That's
true. I was many of the crusades.

982
01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:26.119
You were not allowed to touch him. That's why just meditated on that

983
01:21:26.199 --> 01:21:30.800
earlier today. Yeah, reminds me
of what Christopher Lee, the actor said

984
01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:32.840
about black magic. Did you ever
see that interview with him? He was

985
01:21:32.880 --> 01:21:36.319
asked about black magic, and he
said, I've dabbled in it and I

986
01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:40.479
know about it. He's like,
my library is not as big as people

987
01:21:40.520 --> 01:21:42.640
say that it is. But he
said, I promise you that if you

988
01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:45.720
deal with it, you will not
only lose your mind, you'll lose your

989
01:21:45.760 --> 01:21:48.319
soul. I recommend that you don't
go anywhere near this type of stuff.

990
01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:53.840
It's kind of interesting when like an
actor or some famous person who we just

991
01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:57.479
see as a celebrity says something like
that. I've seen a lot of reason

992
01:21:57.560 --> 01:22:02.079
like Hulk Hogan, Alice Cooper,
big Christians, that's all in the news.

993
01:22:02.520 --> 01:22:06.279
It's always interesting when they Koger said
it was because he was afraid of

994
01:22:06.359 --> 01:22:10.800
dying. I didn't read about.
Is that why you said that? Why?

995
01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:17.119
That's why most people, I think, are they that's going to save

996
01:22:17.159 --> 01:22:24.000
them? Right? You know?
Yeah, yeah, you guys. I

997
01:22:24.079 --> 01:22:27.199
got the ticket. Man, I'm
out of here. That's why when you

998
01:22:27.279 --> 01:22:30.520
go to a church, it's a
sea of blue hairs there. You know,

999
01:22:30.720 --> 01:22:34.800
it's a bunch of young little kids
and then the blue hairs, and

1000
01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:38.880
it's either one or the other.
You're in doctrine at the kids and they

1001
01:22:38.880 --> 01:22:41.880
go out and have a wild time
and then they come back just before they

1002
01:22:41.920 --> 01:22:47.560
die. It's like this season.
Yeah. Or if you're Catholic, all

1003
01:22:47.600 --> 01:22:50.520
you have to do is five hundred
hail Mary's in a couple of bucks,

1004
01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:54.079
and hey, you're good to go. I mean, if you're going to

1005
01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:56.079
have a religion, that would be
the one to do. At least you

1006
01:22:56.119 --> 01:23:04.199
can buy you a way out of
there. That's another another ass another element

1007
01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:08.279
of fertility too. I would I
don't want to presume, but I assume

1008
01:23:08.359 --> 01:23:12.560
some of you have heard of the
like the significance of how these cathedrals were

1009
01:23:12.600 --> 01:23:17.520
constructed in the in the sacred feminine
and fertility form with the oval opening,

1010
01:23:17.640 --> 01:23:21.239
the two pillars of the legs,
the rose windows the vagina, the sun

1011
01:23:21.319 --> 01:23:26.920
penetrates the vagina and pregnates the congregation. They're reborn as they leave through the

1012
01:23:26.960 --> 01:23:31.880
vaginal opening. It's all very intentional. So it all circles back to sex

1013
01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:36.479
again, doesn't that Unless that's just
what on my what's on my mind?

1014
01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:41.359
People might think, well, this
guy very rude, But no, that's

1015
01:23:41.359 --> 01:23:44.800
where it comes. That's what it
goes back to to. You know,

1016
01:23:45.079 --> 01:23:47.479
Yeah, we're very simple, aren't
we simple minded? Really right? That's

1017
01:23:47.520 --> 01:23:51.840
all we care about, really is, And apparently it carries over into the

1018
01:23:51.880 --> 01:23:57.520
ethereal room. Sex still plays a
role over there. Don't doubt that.

1019
01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:02.039
Well, I mean, otherwise the
so called fallen angels come and have coitus

1020
01:24:02.520 --> 01:24:09.319
with the daughters of men. Obviously
they knew about sex before they came down

1021
01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:15.560
here. I mean, what did
they suddenly say, Hey, what the

1022
01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:25.279
hell are they doing? Unless the
fallen angels and all of that is perhaps

1023
01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:31.319
a concept of some form of human
conscious development, like something mated with us

1024
01:24:31.359 --> 01:24:36.279
to produce offspring that were more aware
and conscious, like the idea that like

1025
01:24:36.279 --> 01:24:40.239
this is one of my favorite stories. I learned this from Jonathan Black.

1026
01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:44.479
He's an author. He wrote the
Secret History of the World and the Sacred

1027
01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:47.640
History. I've interviewed him a few
times. Really smart guy. Don't see

1028
01:24:47.680 --> 01:24:51.159
him do anything anymore. But he
was explaining in his book how the story

1029
01:24:51.159 --> 01:24:57.800
of Lucifer being cast down from Heaven
is actually astronomical because the moon God is

1030
01:24:57.880 --> 01:25:01.279
Jehovah. The moon is the reflector. The moon reflects the light of Venus

1031
01:25:01.319 --> 01:25:06.640
or Lucifer down to Earth. So
what happens is the moon Jehovah God reflects

1032
01:25:06.960 --> 01:25:12.680
Lucifer Venus the light down to Earth. So God casts Lucifer down to Earth.

1033
01:25:12.720 --> 01:25:15.600
But it's reflection of light from the
moon down to at least that's the

1034
01:25:15.119 --> 01:25:18.800
symbolism of the story. That might
not be the the total essence of the

1035
01:25:18.840 --> 01:25:23.920
story, but it's an interesting interpretation
of that of that myth. Look,

1036
01:25:23.960 --> 01:25:27.439
you Stone brings up a good thing
here. If the angels taught sex to

1037
01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:32.279
humans, who taught sex to animals, well, animals just seem approcreated no

1038
01:25:32.319 --> 01:25:38.039
matter what. Well, if you
read the Bible, Adam had the animals

1039
01:25:38.039 --> 01:25:44.279
to have sex with, and apparently
it came down to a sheep. I

1040
01:25:44.319 --> 01:25:47.960
mean, I'm telling you he's got
all the animals before Adam so that he

1041
01:25:48.000 --> 01:26:00.399
may name them and find a mate, Dolly being good old boys in West

1042
01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:04.640
Virginia. Dude, you know,
come on, let's just you know,

1043
01:26:04.840 --> 01:26:09.560
be honest. That's what that says. I was wondering if that interpretation or

1044
01:26:09.560 --> 01:26:14.800
the interpretation of that story could be
also astronomical, Like Adam is given the

1045
01:26:14.880 --> 01:26:18.000
power to name the animals, and
the animals are the zodiac or the animal

1046
01:26:18.039 --> 01:26:24.319
wheel, so it has an astronomical
astrological story. The whole problem with the

1047
01:26:24.359 --> 01:26:27.880
story, right is that the how
how long did it take one man to

1048
01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:31.359
name all the animals? It'll be
quite a long time, if one would

1049
01:26:31.399 --> 01:26:34.560
think, I mean, but if
you read the narrative, you get this

1050
01:26:34.760 --> 01:26:43.760
idea that Adam and Eve were apparently
chronologically about six days old when they got

1051
01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:48.479
kicked out of the garden. Perhaps
that reference that would be referenced to,

1052
01:26:49.359 --> 01:26:53.840
you know, six days, seven
days. Yeah, it's all simply you're

1053
01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:58.079
right, it's all connected. Actually, the story of Adam and Eve can

1054
01:26:58.119 --> 01:27:03.399
be could be as a story of
different parts of the body. I've read

1055
01:27:03.840 --> 01:27:10.079
references to Adam being the pineal gland, Eve being the pituitary gland, and

1056
01:27:10.119 --> 01:27:12.760
this is all the symbolism of the
body anyway, Right, So you have,

1057
01:27:12.920 --> 01:27:17.720
like the crucifixion of Christ at Cavalry
Golgotha, the skull in the story

1058
01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:21.039
Adam's skull is placed next to the
cross, but that's our skull. The

1059
01:27:21.119 --> 01:27:26.239
temples, the two thieves are the
hemispheres of the brain, the center point,

1060
01:27:26.359 --> 01:27:30.119
which is the third eye where Christ
is crucified. But if you go

1061
01:27:30.199 --> 01:27:32.960
back in the story, the fall
of Man is sex. So it's the

1062
01:27:33.079 --> 01:27:38.880
groin area, it's you know,
the sexual organs. And then as you

1063
01:27:38.920 --> 01:27:44.079
move up the spine or Jacob's ladder, you become thirty three thirty three vertebrate

1064
01:27:44.359 --> 01:27:47.640
sections of the spine, and that's
Jesus being crucified, you know, at

1065
01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:51.640
the skull, So like we are
the crucifixion story, and that the crown

1066
01:27:51.680 --> 01:27:56.760
of thorns is the cather of the
Kabbalist. It's the illumination at the top

1067
01:27:56.840 --> 01:28:00.119
of the pentagram. Our body carries
with us every day, the story of

1068
01:28:00.199 --> 01:28:04.479
Jesus being crucified. At least in
that interpretation, I find that interesting.

1069
01:28:04.840 --> 01:28:10.239
Yeah, that's the Kundalini energy and
going up to the thirty three vertebras of

1070
01:28:10.279 --> 01:28:15.960
the spine, hitting the right hemisphere
of the brain and shooting out the right

1071
01:28:15.039 --> 01:28:20.880
hemisphere. Yeah, that's what the
when our solstice is showing everybody in the

1072
01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:26.399
sky that that's what we do within
our bodies as well. That's how we

1073
01:28:26.479 --> 01:28:34.119
get into the enlightened state and set
at the right hand side of god hemisphere.

1074
01:28:34.680 --> 01:28:39.680
As we're talking, this is all
under the godspeil, because each and

1075
01:28:39.720 --> 01:28:44.560
everyone is if they're using a narrative
that cannot be proven, cannot be founded,

1076
01:28:44.600 --> 01:28:48.920
but yet we use it into our
rational cognitive thinking that this story actually

1077
01:28:49.000 --> 01:28:59.760
fucking happened. Next anyway, everything
our philosophy, you know, if you

1078
01:28:59.760 --> 01:29:04.239
look the whole story, the crucifixion
never happened, but yet we're convinced.

1079
01:29:04.279 --> 01:29:10.600
And then we take the esoteric or
the metaphysical approach and say, well,

1080
01:29:10.600 --> 01:29:15.560
maybe there's something more esoteric in the
meaning, and then therefore then we interpret

1081
01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:18.640
that meaning, and then we bring
forth in birth a new to thought of

1082
01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:24.600
how all this makes sense. It's
supposed to help us to under in my

1083
01:29:24.720 --> 01:29:29.560
view, it's supposed to help us
to understand or at least to develop an

1084
01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:32.880
idea of understanding about the meaning and
purpose of life, which I think is

1085
01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:38.279
largely procreative. I think it has
mostly to do with well, against sex

1086
01:29:38.319 --> 01:29:43.720
and procreation and fertility. That's what
most of the original mystery schools were really

1087
01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:47.520
about. They had the bridal chambers, the priestess would initiate the final rights.

1088
01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:53.000
They would use different substances, back
to the hallucinations and altered states of

1089
01:29:53.000 --> 01:29:58.039
consciousness in Greece, Egypt, wherever
it was. Go into an alternative consciousness

1090
01:29:58.239 --> 01:30:01.079
commune with spirits, resurrect for three
days, bring you forth from the tomb.

1091
01:30:01.479 --> 01:30:05.159
I mean, if you go to
the Temple Square in Salt Lake City,

1092
01:30:05.279 --> 01:30:10.600
Utah. The Mormons built this freaking
church like one of these old temples.

1093
01:30:10.600 --> 01:30:14.279
It's oriented east to west for the
rising setting sun. It's just like

1094
01:30:14.359 --> 01:30:16.520
the Egyptian temples. You enter through
the west and leave through the east as

1095
01:30:16.600 --> 01:30:24.520
a reborn, born again sun or
daughter of God? Is it a man?

1096
01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:28.680
So like modern Mormonism, which has
all the suns and the moon cycles

1097
01:30:28.720 --> 01:30:32.520
around the building to ancient e Have
you ever been in there, into the

1098
01:30:32.520 --> 01:30:35.960
Mormon Temple, not inside, I've
just been on the outside. I was

1099
01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:42.960
at a Western conference there and actually
it's the guy who owns Skinwalker Ranch,

1100
01:30:43.079 --> 01:30:49.720
Brandon. We actually went over there
and got a tour and there's more mysticism

1101
01:30:49.800 --> 01:30:54.800
and occultism. Then there than what
more than when people can even be into

1102
01:30:54.840 --> 01:31:00.560
phantom very deep, very deep,
very masonic, much of other stuff.

1103
01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:06.399
MM that looser, he'd be alive. But that's the thing though, do

1104
01:31:06.520 --> 01:31:14.000
they even know what it means?
Like if you talk to an everyday Freemason

1105
01:31:14.079 --> 01:31:16.520
person and you ask them about the
symbolism and what all this stuff means,

1106
01:31:16.520 --> 01:31:21.159
they have absolutely no idea. You
know, do these people that you know

1107
01:31:21.399 --> 01:31:26.359
own these buildings that has this architecture
and the symbolism even know what it means?

1108
01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:30.960
I have no idea. Probably not. It's probably much older than what

1109
01:31:31.000 --> 01:31:35.960
their knowledge even is. You have
to be higher up in order to get

1110
01:31:36.079 --> 01:31:45.119
the full Joseph Smith's story itself is
that's it's a very interesting story. Just

1111
01:31:45.159 --> 01:31:49.760
to say the least interesting is definitely
the accurate. I think, what the

1112
01:31:49.800 --> 01:31:56.319
hell were you smoking, man,
Marconi? I mean, come on,

1113
01:31:57.960 --> 01:32:01.039
you know, back in the day
drugs regulated so much. I mean,

1114
01:32:01.319 --> 01:32:04.640
people could probably just do whatever they
want, whenever they want it, and

1115
01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:10.560
nobody's gonna like rest you and take
it. Fly fly gerry, mushrooms,

1116
01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:14.800
blue water lily, poppy, ayahuasca, peote, and so on and so

1117
01:32:14.880 --> 01:32:18.960
forth. Yeah. Yeah, half
these people could have been flying on the

1118
01:32:19.000 --> 01:32:25.359
clouds and dreaming up all kinds of
good stuff and writing it down, and

1119
01:32:25.399 --> 01:32:27.840
people are thinking, Wow, that
guy seems to know a whole lot.

1120
01:32:28.039 --> 01:32:31.800
We should follow him. Yeah.
When the shaman comes down the pole into

1121
01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:36.000
the little hut sweat mud lodge type
thing. And when you're on a bunch

1122
01:32:36.039 --> 01:32:40.359
of mushrooms and you see some reindeer
and they start flying through the air,

1123
01:32:40.399 --> 01:32:45.319
I mean stuff starts to help flying
reindeer and Santa coming down the chimney story

1124
01:32:45.359 --> 01:32:49.520
stars flying, that's for sure.
Yeah, so says, don't forget looking

1125
01:32:49.560 --> 01:32:58.840
toads. Yeah, is really a
thing, can you? Yeah, there's

1126
01:32:58.840 --> 01:33:12.079
a poison on the toll you get
high family. Yeah, Oh good episode.

1127
01:33:12.520 --> 01:33:18.239
Okay, Well, we're gonna keep
this thing of rocking. So anybody

1128
01:33:18.319 --> 01:33:23.159
that wants to dip out, you
are free to go. Uh, We're

1129
01:33:23.159 --> 01:33:28.840
gonna run another half hour or so. It's the last live episode of the

1130
01:33:28.920 --> 01:33:31.680
year, so I want to make
it worth it for everyone. But anybody

1131
01:33:31.760 --> 01:33:36.359
that needs to go for any reason
at all is more than welcome to have

1132
01:33:36.520 --> 01:33:45.159
cut out myself. But this has
been all right, We've gotta do this

1133
01:33:45.199 --> 01:33:54.640
again. This is what they would
say, some far out stuff. Yes,

1134
01:33:54.920 --> 01:34:00.600
Ginn Banana just said you just got
here there all over against We're going

1135
01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:02.560
to for a little bit. But
Wayne, thanks so much for coming on

1136
01:34:02.640 --> 01:34:09.640
brother. Where you find you online? All right over there at r Wayne

1137
01:34:09.640 --> 01:34:16.159
Steiker YouTube Rumble Odyssey. Yeah whatever
you want to see awesome. The links

1138
01:34:16.199 --> 01:34:21.640
to uh Wayne's information is in the
description of this video. Highly recommend going

1139
01:34:21.680 --> 01:34:25.600
over there and subscribing to his channel. Always good to have you on,

1140
01:34:25.640 --> 01:34:29.920
Wayne, Always a joy in conversation
with you, brother. Happy holidays to

1141
01:34:30.000 --> 01:34:33.720
you writer and the rest of y'all, Nina and Robert and Ryan. Has

1142
01:34:33.800 --> 01:34:36.880
been an excellent conversation. I've enjoyed
that. Love to have you on the

1143
01:34:36.960 --> 01:34:42.359
channels sometimes anytime. And Merry Christmas
to you and your wife. Yeah,

1144
01:34:42.479 --> 01:34:50.800
okay, thank y'all. See you
right And now there was four And it

1145
01:34:50.880 --> 01:34:54.680
might be your last live show,
but you're actually going to be on my

1146
01:34:54.800 --> 01:34:59.960
channel on Sundays and stay tuned.
Yes, last live. That doesn't mean

1147
01:35:00.039 --> 01:35:04.239
and that I'm not going to premiere
some stuff throughout the throughout the week and

1148
01:35:04.319 --> 01:35:10.439
up until the new year. But
I am taking a week off, no

1149
01:35:10.600 --> 01:35:14.960
uploads, no nothing. The first
week of January, just to get a

1150
01:35:14.960 --> 01:35:19.119
little break in there and I'll be
back on the sixth stuff January. That's

1151
01:35:19.159 --> 01:35:23.359
good. Yeah, it's good to
do that. Yeah, I gotta get

1152
01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:27.439
a little I gotta get a little
break in there, you know. Yeah,

1153
01:35:27.600 --> 01:35:31.479
absolutely well, guy first says bashing
religion on the solstice, what a

1154
01:35:31.479 --> 01:35:36.800
party. That's right, we're doing
it. I don't find it to be

1155
01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:41.359
bashing religion. In fact, I
think it to be actually provable of the

1156
01:35:41.399 --> 01:35:44.920
concepts that are embodied by religion.
I don't think that it bashes religion.

1157
01:35:45.000 --> 01:35:48.079
I think that it actually proves that
many of the religious things that we believe

1158
01:35:48.119 --> 01:35:55.000
are actually based in reality as opposed
to mytholized fantasy things, you know.

1159
01:35:56.000 --> 01:35:59.359
Rather, Yeah, it's actually bringing
it out to light, you know.

1160
01:35:59.439 --> 01:36:02.479
And really, I she meditate on
the things that were we've been you know,

1161
01:36:02.880 --> 01:36:05.760
so led to believe, you know, like really think about this,

1162
01:36:05.960 --> 01:36:10.720
like look at it like as an
adult now, and you know, like

1163
01:36:10.800 --> 01:36:14.079
it, you know, and you'll
clearly see that it doesn't make sense,

1164
01:36:14.239 --> 01:36:19.560
you know. So we're just so
brainwashed just believe. We don't don't question

1165
01:36:19.680 --> 01:36:24.520
anything, just believe, you know
that that's it, you know. And

1166
01:36:25.680 --> 01:36:30.279
yeah, I think it. There's
a different kind of explanation to the stories

1167
01:36:30.359 --> 01:36:38.520
and the ideas and the literal meanings
from the Bible, like it's not it's

1168
01:36:38.560 --> 01:36:43.319
not literal. You know, there's
way more things encoded within the Bible that

1169
01:36:43.560 --> 01:36:48.640
are metaphysical in nature, allegorical in
nature, all chemical in nature, and

1170
01:36:48.720 --> 01:36:53.840
there's like a hidden code within there, and then it's up to us to

1171
01:36:53.880 --> 01:37:00.600
try and figure out that hidden code
and what that means. On side,

1172
01:37:00.600 --> 01:37:03.399
go ahead, well, all these
things, all the religions are based on

1173
01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:09.359
something, and all those things are
based in you know, like you said,

1174
01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:16.520
the fertility, greenish spring, you
know, colors times, the solstice,

1175
01:37:16.640 --> 01:37:19.439
spring and fall and winter, whatever. You know, all of these

1176
01:37:19.479 --> 01:37:24.920
things are based you know, you
know, the religions are based on that,

1177
01:37:25.039 --> 01:37:30.239
and then they capitalize on it and
then they use that by taking advantage

1178
01:37:30.640 --> 01:37:38.720
of that to create that religion and
then labeling. See that's where they give

1179
01:37:38.720 --> 01:37:44.079
that anchorgor powers. They label it
to something and then people say, oh,

1180
01:37:44.199 --> 01:37:47.279
yeah, it's like the need I
do the show with the Native American

1181
01:37:47.319 --> 01:37:56.880
stuff, and they converted them really
easy because they're things that they did and

1182
01:37:56.920 --> 01:38:01.039
the great mystery and all of that
was relatable. You know, once they

1183
01:38:01.039 --> 01:38:03.520
put a label on it, and
then they said, hey, you know,

1184
01:38:05.000 --> 01:38:11.039
I guess I could. You know, it seems very similar. And

1185
01:38:11.079 --> 01:38:15.640
it's important therefore to remember that without
the metaphor, without the parable, without

1186
01:38:15.720 --> 01:38:18.960
the symbolism, without the myths,
most of the stuff probably wouldn't have survived,

1187
01:38:19.479 --> 01:38:24.479
you know, because it's a lot
easier to tell a story that's metaphoric

1188
01:38:24.520 --> 01:38:28.560
and symbolic than it is to sit
and try to explain the specifics of what

1189
01:38:28.560 --> 01:38:30.840
it means in regard to the body, or to the changing of the seasons

1190
01:38:30.920 --> 01:38:35.840
or the movement of the stars.
That most people don't understand. I don't

1191
01:38:35.840 --> 01:38:41.359
even understand the totality of it.
I just understand the symbolism of it.

1192
01:38:41.399 --> 01:38:45.319
So the average person like myself is
going to more so be able to understand

1193
01:38:45.439 --> 01:38:49.560
just a nice story that's easily passed
along from generation to generation. Well,

1194
01:38:49.560 --> 01:38:54.199
how many times in the Bible does
it say that Jesus spoke but not in

1195
01:38:54.279 --> 01:38:58.079
a parable, you know, it
was all parables that he's spoken. I

1196
01:38:58.079 --> 01:39:00.439
have to check the red ink because
that's what he actually said. He said

1197
01:39:00.439 --> 01:39:03.800
them several times. Yeah, that
guy was recording him, you know,

1198
01:39:03.880 --> 01:39:09.640
as he ran around that little scribe, chipping, chipping in the get on

1199
01:39:10.039 --> 01:39:13.960
or writing on the paper Paris stuff
they had. But you're right, you

1200
01:39:14.000 --> 01:39:15.960
know. The thing is is like
like I said before, if there was

1201
01:39:16.000 --> 01:39:20.800
a catastrophe or something and the civilization's
uh, you know, crapped down on

1202
01:39:20.920 --> 01:39:27.119
us, they would pass these things
down and myths and legends like a story.

1203
01:39:27.159 --> 01:39:32.319
And even though that the person telling
the story has no clue really what

1204
01:39:32.479 --> 01:39:36.640
it really means, they know it
would be carried on word for word pretty

1205
01:39:36.680 --> 01:39:42.119
much, uh, for maybe a
thousand years, so that the guy who

1206
01:39:42.479 --> 01:39:45.279
like us now can sit down and
figure it out and go, hey,

1207
01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:48.920
you know, this is what they're
trying to tell us, this is what

1208
01:39:49.000 --> 01:39:54.680
it actually means. This. Hey, there's something too that this is important.

1209
01:39:54.760 --> 01:39:59.720
We got to pay attention. Well
that and great examples of that are

1210
01:39:59.800 --> 01:40:02.319
well. We talked about Lord of
the Rings, talked about Harry. I

1211
01:40:02.399 --> 01:40:06.239
mentioned maybe Harry Potter Star Wars,
like those movies are so crazily powerful,

1212
01:40:06.279 --> 01:40:10.840
those stories, they say JK.
Rowling just sat down in restaurant, she

1213
01:40:10.880 --> 01:40:14.319
wrote stuff down a napkin. Bs. That woman is so well versed in

1214
01:40:14.359 --> 01:40:16.399
this stuff it makes my head hurt. You watch any of the Harry Potters,

1215
01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:20.119
especially the first one. The whole
thing is an alchemical ritual. I

1216
01:40:20.119 --> 01:40:24.840
mean, even the very obvious part
where Harry recognizes at the end that he

1217
01:40:24.920 --> 01:40:29.079
has the Philosopher's Stone on him the
whole time. That's the essence of the

1218
01:40:29.119 --> 01:40:31.840
alchemical story. You can't use the
stone until you realize that you don't actually

1219
01:40:31.840 --> 01:40:34.399
want to use it to get rich. But when you'll use it to help

1220
01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:38.159
other people, or when you don't
need it anymore, then you find it,

1221
01:40:38.199 --> 01:40:41.079
and you always find it on your
person. That's not an accident that

1222
01:40:41.079 --> 01:40:43.880
that's in the movie. I'm surprised
I even made it into the movie because

1223
01:40:44.439 --> 01:40:47.159
when she consulted on that, clearly
that's a huge part of the story.

1224
01:40:47.439 --> 01:40:51.039
None of that's just randomly written down
a napkin somewhere, if you will.

1225
01:40:51.199 --> 01:40:55.800
It's very heard she channeled that whole
thing. It was all from spirit.

1226
01:40:56.079 --> 01:41:00.600
Every single word though she got was
all channeled from spirit. And actually most

1227
01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:05.279
stuff any music books anything like that, most of it you'll go back.

1228
01:41:05.479 --> 01:41:10.720
If you listen to the interviews of
the authors or musicians, you'll hear that

1229
01:41:10.800 --> 01:41:14.319
they say, yeah, I channel
I don't know where it came from,

1230
01:41:14.359 --> 01:41:16.840
Like even Bob Dylan said that,
Yeah, they all said that, like

1231
01:41:16.880 --> 01:41:20.359
even kiss you know, they were
explaining about how they did their makeup the

1232
01:41:20.399 --> 01:41:24.479
first time. He's like, yeah, it was almost like we were divinely

1233
01:41:24.520 --> 01:41:27.640
it was something was above us and
we just all sat down in front of

1234
01:41:27.680 --> 01:41:30.960
mirrors and started doing our makeup.
Like you know, it's all channeled somehow.

1235
01:41:30.960 --> 01:41:34.239
Well, people don't recognize it as
that, but that's what it is,

1236
01:41:34.279 --> 01:41:39.920
you know. So there was definitely
something on a different dimension here that

1237
01:41:40.159 --> 01:41:45.720
is influencing us on a daily basis, really our own soul, spirit,

1238
01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:48.800
higher self, whatever you want to
call it. That could be that's you

1239
01:41:48.840 --> 01:41:51.960
know self for debate, but yeah, it's coming from the same world though,

1240
01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:56.720
what you're saying, and whether you're
channeling something external or it's external but

1241
01:41:56.800 --> 01:42:00.039
still a part of your internal self
if you will, they'll beyond the physical.

1242
01:42:01.680 --> 01:42:04.880
Well, not only that, I
know that all of us have had

1243
01:42:05.600 --> 01:42:11.640
some sort of thought or some sort
of idea to do something, and then

1244
01:42:12.119 --> 01:42:17.279
you don't do that thing, and
then someone else does the exact same thing

1245
01:42:17.479 --> 01:42:23.399
that you didn't tell anybody about.
That it was only in your head that

1246
01:42:24.520 --> 01:42:27.600
hu trying to steal my ip again, writer, Yeah, I'm still in

1247
01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:33.720
that ip, but I'm hacking into
your brain dogise spiritual signs of organos.

1248
01:42:33.720 --> 01:42:39.239
It calls, you know, universal
consciousness that we're tapping in. We're all

1249
01:42:39.279 --> 01:42:43.840
tapping into the same universal consciousness and
it's up to us to run with those

1250
01:42:43.880 --> 01:42:49.000
ideas. And you'll see, like
you know, movies, there's always several

1251
01:42:49.039 --> 01:42:53.399
movies with the same theme. They
all kind of got the same idea around

1252
01:42:53.399 --> 01:42:56.880
the same time. They all you
know what I mean, like, so

1253
01:42:57.319 --> 01:43:02.680
there's something to that whole thing there
that's not just yeah, but have me.

1254
01:43:03.319 --> 01:43:08.239
But but they see here's another part
of it. If you look at

1255
01:43:08.279 --> 01:43:14.359
some of the movies and songs and
stuff, we probably don't realize how many

1256
01:43:14.399 --> 01:43:17.039
times they repeat these things and we
just think they're new. They put a

1257
01:43:17.079 --> 01:43:20.520
new spin on it, and you
go, oh wow, I'll look at

1258
01:43:20.520 --> 01:43:24.520
this new cool movie coming out.
Oh yeah, they did that back in

1259
01:43:24.560 --> 01:43:29.520
the fifties or the sixties, and
now it's just a revised version of and

1260
01:43:29.520 --> 01:43:33.760
and lately, how many new movies
have really come out you know where there

1261
01:43:33.840 --> 01:43:39.039
is is there any and when they
do like Star Wars or you know,

1262
01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:44.319
the Harry Potter things, that was
pretty much new and that's probably why they

1263
01:43:44.319 --> 01:43:47.640
were big hits because today, you
know, they just keep rehashing it.

1264
01:43:47.680 --> 01:43:54.600
How many times is super Badman been
resurrected and come back and flew from Krypton

1265
01:43:54.800 --> 01:43:58.479
and and you know, and they
redo the whole movie and then Spider Man

1266
01:43:58.760 --> 01:44:01.239
or or even back in the westerns, you know, what's what's that one

1267
01:44:01.640 --> 01:44:09.960
they did three ten to Yuma?
You know, the original version with the

1268
01:44:09.960 --> 01:44:16.079
original was really good and uh and
was more believable than the remake because he

1269
01:44:16.119 --> 01:44:19.680
was just sitting there killing everybody.
You know, Well, you didn't like

1270
01:44:19.720 --> 01:44:24.880
the remake with Christian Bell and Russell
Crowdy. There's like the two best actors

1271
01:44:24.880 --> 01:44:30.760
in Hollywood. Dude, I watched
it, but it wasn't really believable.

1272
01:44:30.439 --> 01:44:38.279
The original with Glenn Ford was much
more satisfying to watch. Put it that

1273
01:44:38.319 --> 01:44:44.079
way, No, Well, remakes
have a weird way of doing that.

1274
01:44:44.119 --> 01:44:48.239
But I think that it also depends
on which one you've seen first. If

1275
01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:51.760
you've seen the remake first, then
you're going to like the remake. If

1276
01:44:51.800 --> 01:44:56.039
you saw the original, then you're
gonna like the original. Well, not

1277
01:44:56.079 --> 01:45:00.600
necessarily. Look at the John Wayne
movie that came out, Rooster Cockburn wasn't

1278
01:45:00.640 --> 01:45:08.399
it with that and the original,
and then you got Bridges that uh or

1279
01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:12.600
portrayed him. I think the remake
he did an excellent I think the remake

1280
01:45:12.760 --> 01:45:15.439
was really good. I think it
was almost better than John Wayne's version.

1281
01:45:15.760 --> 01:45:19.479
Was that true grit, true grit, that's it, true grit? He

1282
01:45:19.600 --> 01:45:27.159
was, Yeah, true grit,
that's what it was. Yeah, Jeff

1283
01:45:27.199 --> 01:45:30.600
Bridges. Yeah. See, I
never saw the original, if not only

1284
01:45:30.680 --> 01:45:35.319
saw the remake, so I don't
really have a reference for what the original

1285
01:45:36.039 --> 01:45:43.560
was. I'll have to go back
and watch. I think The Twilight is

1286
01:45:43.560 --> 01:45:45.359
a good example of all this too, because you watch that show or other

1287
01:45:45.640 --> 01:45:49.720
shows around that time, and some
of those TV shows were, I mean,

1288
01:45:49.720 --> 01:45:54.239
like most of the Twilight Zones pretty
groundbreaking, especially for the time,

1289
01:45:54.680 --> 01:45:57.720
and a lot of that stuff today
watch them watch a movie today and you're

1290
01:45:57.760 --> 01:46:00.279
like, I saw that somewhere that's
from it, like a Twilight Zone idea

1291
01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:04.479
that's like off is a new idea
today? Kind of along the lines what

1292
01:46:04.520 --> 01:46:12.640
you're saying, Yeah, well,
it's all regurgitation. Nothing is really new.

1293
01:46:12.880 --> 01:46:17.159
It's normally a rip off of something
because it's how we get inspiration for

1294
01:46:17.319 --> 01:46:24.359
something. You know, if I
would never have seen cinema or a movie

1295
01:46:24.479 --> 01:46:27.439
ever in my life. Do I
think that I would have been able to

1296
01:46:27.479 --> 01:46:32.159
make a documentary? Probably not,
because I don't know how things are supposed

1297
01:46:32.199 --> 01:46:35.039
to flow. I don't know how
things are supposed to be edited, you

1298
01:46:35.079 --> 01:46:39.560
know, like I don't have any
inspiration or any backing for that. So

1299
01:46:40.479 --> 01:46:44.960
in a way, everyone is just
ripping off everybody else. Well, and

1300
01:46:45.279 --> 01:46:51.720
what Christmas is all about? The
people have you know, for what a

1301
01:46:51.840 --> 01:46:59.039
thousand years? And now he's developed
from you know, one guy into you

1302
01:46:59.079 --> 01:47:03.039
know, this jolly old elf because
Coca Cola decided to uh, you know,

1303
01:47:03.159 --> 01:47:08.680
capitalize out of it. Yes,
Claus used to look more of like

1304
01:47:08.840 --> 01:47:14.399
a West Virginia mountain man, big
brown coat, sticks and dirt all over

1305
01:47:14.479 --> 01:47:16.079
rain, bringing stuff out of the
woods. And now he's a big fat

1306
01:47:16.079 --> 01:47:19.680
guy with a beer gut drinking Coca
Cola. It's totally happens when you drink

1307
01:47:19.680 --> 01:47:25.479
Coca Cola, you see, so, you know version unfortunately, but yes,

1308
01:47:26.159 --> 01:47:30.159
the American version of yeah, you
gotta get those cokes in the bottle.

1309
01:47:30.279 --> 01:47:39.239
Those coachs in the bottle are good
for health for your bones. Yeah,

1310
01:47:39.399 --> 01:47:43.439
we do taaste different though it's weird. Canned coke tastes different than some

1311
01:47:45.359 --> 01:47:53.359
there something yeah sugar, yeah,
but but it's all the same. The

1312
01:47:53.399 --> 01:47:58.439
religions are copied over, you know, over other religions. They you just

1313
01:47:58.479 --> 01:48:01.680
talked about how the hand, you
know, the lady was re resurrected,

1314
01:48:01.760 --> 01:48:05.439
blah blah blah, you know,
so forth and so on. You know,

1315
01:48:05.520 --> 01:48:10.079
you've got to wonder if they just
don't look at and say, hey,

1316
01:48:10.119 --> 01:48:13.800
you know, this one here we
have is dying out. You know,

1317
01:48:14.000 --> 01:48:16.479
Christianity's going down the tubes. And
I swear, you know, maybe

1318
01:48:16.560 --> 01:48:21.640
not in our lifetimes, but our
children's lifetimes. In the Christiana will be

1319
01:48:21.720 --> 01:48:28.039
in the crapper and they'll scramble and
say, hey, we gotta invent something

1320
01:48:28.159 --> 01:48:33.399
new. And maybe this time,
you know, the little Jesus kid or

1321
01:48:33.399 --> 01:48:38.880
whoever it will be come out of
a computer generated thought. You know,

1322
01:48:39.079 --> 01:48:44.479
hey, you know that it was
our ai robut birth on the twenty fifth

1323
01:48:44.479 --> 01:48:49.680
of December. Who is gonna be
your senior? That's actually google of what

1324
01:48:50.520 --> 01:48:57.119
that's not. That's a really interesting
point and that's not too far from the

1325
01:48:57.119 --> 01:49:00.720
truth. In fact, Carl Young
pointed this out about you. It's like

1326
01:49:00.800 --> 01:49:04.640
in the old world people saw shields
and boats and pillars and things that they

1327
01:49:04.760 --> 01:49:11.479
understood. Nowadays we see spaceships because
that's what we understand. So it's a

1328
01:49:11.600 --> 01:49:15.359
very similar thing to what you're saying. The myth adapts and changes with different

1329
01:49:15.399 --> 01:49:21.159
technologies and cultural morphine, and I
guess you could say, for lack of

1330
01:49:21.159 --> 01:49:26.000
a better word, cultural progress quote
unquote. So yeah, you're totally right.

1331
01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:29.760
Yeah, and I think that.
I mean, look at where Christianity

1332
01:49:29.760 --> 01:49:34.359
originally came from, and not just
the Jewish concept of I guess you could

1333
01:49:34.359 --> 01:49:41.039
say spirituality or creation or whatever,
but came from zero. Strianism came from

1334
01:49:41.840 --> 01:49:47.359
or people pronounce it differently, zerostrian
zoro Throstrinism, Zerostrianism, the Zenda Vesta,

1335
01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:53.960
which arguably is older than the Hindu
texts. Nobody knows how old the

1336
01:49:54.039 --> 01:49:57.960
Zendavesta is. It's super duper ancient. I got to actually have a copy

1337
01:49:58.000 --> 01:50:00.119
of it. Was I found a
copy of a useful store, super rare,

1338
01:50:00.560 --> 01:50:05.199
and that thing is like super sophisticated
stuff like it might be older than

1339
01:50:05.279 --> 01:50:11.359
the Hindu stuff. But either way, Zerotianism or Methrism, these are Persian

1340
01:50:11.399 --> 01:50:17.640
religions. The Persians really pioneered a
lot of the Christian ideas of dichotomy between

1341
01:50:17.800 --> 01:50:21.239
heaven and hell and all that kind
of stuff, because that religion was super

1342
01:50:21.319 --> 01:50:26.680
focused on darkness and light. But
that's also the quintessential belief that every culture

1343
01:50:26.680 --> 01:50:29.880
has darkness and light. We all
know because of what we eat or believe,

1344
01:50:29.960 --> 01:50:31.560
or how we build our buildings or
whatever. It gets dark and it

1345
01:50:31.560 --> 01:50:34.119
gets light. Some parts of the
ear darker than others, like right now,

1346
01:50:34.119 --> 01:50:38.600
and some parts are lighter than others. We can mythologize that, and

1347
01:50:38.640 --> 01:50:45.359
we can explain why that happens with
stories and characters. Yeah, and right

1348
01:50:45.399 --> 01:50:49.840
now, you know that part of
the world maybe you know, wiping themselves

1349
01:50:49.880 --> 01:50:55.880
out in the near future. And
if that happens, then it opens up

1350
01:50:55.880 --> 01:51:00.520
the door for you know, something
else to come in, you know,

1351
01:51:00.880 --> 01:51:04.399
because you know those people won't be
around to tell the tale, if you

1352
01:51:04.399 --> 01:51:08.960
know what I mean. So it
opened, It opens the door, and

1353
01:51:08.960 --> 01:51:14.159
that's how how things would come about. When one closes, another one opens,

1354
01:51:14.720 --> 01:51:17.119
you know, just my thoughts.
I agree with Savagely here. I

1355
01:51:17.119 --> 01:51:20.640
think in a thousand years, Star
Wars is going to be the world's religion.

1356
01:51:20.800 --> 01:51:24.560
That makes a lot of sense,
I meaning, and according to the

1357
01:51:24.600 --> 01:51:28.039
Secret Space Program and the super Soldier. Star Wars is already our reality.

1358
01:51:28.119 --> 01:51:30.600
We're already living there. Guys.
Didn't you know you didn't already know the

1359
01:51:30.640 --> 01:51:34.279
Star Wars land out there in space. I've always thought about Harry Potter.

1360
01:51:34.439 --> 01:51:38.520
Actually, I've got that. I've
got this hockey quidded shirt on right now.

1361
01:51:38.520 --> 01:51:41.359
I've always thought Harry Potter. Finds
some Harry Potter books in a few

1362
01:51:41.439 --> 01:51:45.680
unit of the years, and suddenly
archaeologists are debating over whether Hogwarts is a

1363
01:51:45.720 --> 01:51:49.560
real place. It's like, I
mean, it's super placable, right,

1364
01:51:49.640 --> 01:51:58.000
Like what if a the trilogy of
Star Wars somehow survives a global catastrophe and

1365
01:51:58.039 --> 01:52:04.520
there's only one on DVD or VHS
or whatever it is, Blu ray or

1366
01:52:04.560 --> 01:52:10.760
something, or on a floppy disk
driver or a CD or a USB drive

1367
01:52:10.880 --> 01:52:14.640
or whatever, survives this giant catastrophe
and people watch it in the future,

1368
01:52:15.119 --> 01:52:21.399
they're gonna think it's real. Yeah, all the like. I often think

1369
01:52:21.439 --> 01:52:26.840
that about things like well, like
Civil War reenactments, like things that are

1370
01:52:26.880 --> 01:52:30.079
made in modern times, like gut
like fake guns or you know, the

1371
01:52:30.119 --> 01:52:33.039
clothing, and then you find that
in the future and you look and you

1372
01:52:33.119 --> 01:52:36.680
date it to this time period,
even though it's a replica of something from

1373
01:52:38.119 --> 01:52:41.640
hundreds of years before, you get
it certainly would get an inaccurate date of

1374
01:52:41.640 --> 01:52:45.279
that. And this is really interesting
things to think about. I used to

1375
01:52:45.319 --> 01:52:47.399
go down to the river in Boise, Idaho when I lived there, and

1376
01:52:47.439 --> 01:52:51.079
the college kids at Boise State would
go down and they would carve things into

1377
01:52:51.159 --> 01:52:55.119
these rocks. It must have been
just a thing that they did. They

1378
01:52:55.119 --> 01:52:58.279
were all up and down the river, and I always thought, huh,

1379
01:52:58.319 --> 01:53:00.560
you know what happens when archaeologists comes
along and one hundred and te undred years

1380
01:53:00.600 --> 01:53:04.279
and tries to figure out what this
random text is here on this rock.

1381
01:53:04.600 --> 01:53:08.479
Really it was just some guy that
wanted to have sex with some girl.

1382
01:53:08.560 --> 01:53:11.520
He was like, you know,
so that's all that. It didn't have

1383
01:53:11.560 --> 01:53:17.920
any more significant meaning than that.
Again, yeah, it makes you wonder,

1384
01:53:18.000 --> 01:53:23.119
right, yeah, But but our
society is really stupid sometimes. I

1385
01:53:23.119 --> 01:53:27.840
mean, looking after that movie,
uh, Black Panther, and everybody was

1386
01:53:27.880 --> 01:53:32.760
trying to go to the airport and
buy a ticket to Wakanda. I'm serious.

1387
01:53:32.920 --> 01:53:38.840
Remember that was in the news and
they get all my goodness, you

1388
01:53:38.880 --> 01:53:45.439
know, but but looking up Corona
beer, can Corona beer give me coronavirus.

1389
01:53:45.920 --> 01:53:51.399
Yeah, interpretation like, wait,
now there's there's a school, Hogwarts

1390
01:53:51.399 --> 01:53:57.079
school. You can go to a
Hogwarts school, right, Well, if

1391
01:53:57.079 --> 01:54:00.479
you pay enough money you can anyway. But will they really teach you magic

1392
01:54:00.520 --> 01:54:02.399
and all that stuff there? Well, you know they're gonna teach you something

1393
01:54:02.520 --> 01:54:08.800
for all that whatever. But but
if that's the case, and you said,

1394
01:54:08.800 --> 01:54:12.439
like, if a book survives and
it's the Harry Potter book, well

1395
01:54:12.520 --> 01:54:15.119
all people say, yeah, look, here's the school. It says Harry

1396
01:54:15.159 --> 01:54:18.199
Potter. We dug it up,
and here's the book. It talks to

1397
01:54:18.239 --> 01:54:23.520
him. He must have been a
real person. These things must be really

1398
01:54:23.800 --> 01:54:27.239
there must have been magic in the
world at that time. Yeap, did

1399
01:54:27.279 --> 01:54:30.039
you I don't know if you ever
seen this. I sent it to you

1400
01:54:30.079 --> 01:54:33.840
writer the I think he was a
physicist and he was trying to prove how

1401
01:54:33.880 --> 01:54:40.680
easily gullible the public is and how
easy facts can be manipulated. And he

1402
01:54:40.760 --> 01:54:45.199
posted that picture of the sun that
was taken by the James Webb telescope.

1403
01:54:45.720 --> 01:54:47.600
Turns out it really wasn't the sun. Though. Did you ever see that

1404
01:54:47.600 --> 01:54:51.239
that story? I sent you the
link. No, I did not see

1405
01:54:51.239 --> 01:54:56.760
it. I have to look it
up. I see it in the stream

1406
01:54:56.840 --> 01:55:00.920
yard chat. But basically everybody thought, awso, amazing picture of the sun.

1407
01:55:00.000 --> 01:55:03.760
That's beautiful. It's amazing what technology
can do. Turns out it was

1408
01:55:03.800 --> 01:55:11.960
a slice of freaking salami on a
black background. Oh, I've seen you

1409
01:55:11.960 --> 01:55:15.079
know what. I have seen that. Yeah, a slice of salami on

1410
01:55:15.119 --> 01:55:16.880
the dorm. When you feel through
it, it looks like, yeah,

1411
01:55:17.479 --> 01:55:21.079
yeah, you know, is this
a real article? Though? That's the

1412
01:55:21.119 --> 01:55:24.479
only one I could find. But
no, that was definitely a real story.

1413
01:55:24.479 --> 01:55:29.159
It was all over the news when
it came out. That's not the

1414
01:55:29.159 --> 01:55:33.079
most reliable website I sent you.
Yeah, that's what I was wondering because

1415
01:55:33.079 --> 01:55:36.640
I've seen some people post about it, and I tried to look it up,

1416
01:55:36.720 --> 01:55:44.479
and I didn't find anything other than
than this article on it. Oh

1417
01:55:44.520 --> 01:55:46.159
no, there were tons of articles
on I talked about it on the show.

1418
01:55:46.199 --> 01:55:48.880
There were a bunch of articles on
it at the time. Maybe it

1419
01:55:49.079 --> 01:55:54.000
just I'm not saying I got scrubbed, but maybe they just it's harder to

1420
01:55:54.319 --> 01:55:56.920
if you're using Google. It might
be down in the search results. I

1421
01:55:56.920 --> 01:56:00.600
don't know. Yeah, I don't
really want to share it because I don't

1422
01:56:00.600 --> 01:56:06.279
know how credible this this website is
and it kind of sounds like a little

1423
01:56:06.279 --> 01:56:11.439
bit of a hoax as well,
because they did this whole thing too with

1424
01:56:11.920 --> 01:56:15.960
NASA. And remember background four or
five months ago, or maybe it was

1425
01:56:15.000 --> 01:56:18.600
like a year ago or whatever,
when NASA had that really big telescope and

1426
01:56:19.720 --> 01:56:26.640
shooting out into the and they had
brought back these amazing four D four K

1427
01:56:26.760 --> 01:56:30.199
pictures of galaxies that are billions and
billions of miles away. And then some

1428
01:56:30.239 --> 01:56:33.079
people were saying, oh, well, this is what it really was,

1429
01:56:33.119 --> 01:56:40.119
and it was their kitchen room table, the granite table that they just took

1430
01:56:40.119 --> 01:56:45.920
a picture of that looked almost identical
to the space telescope pictures. I found

1431
01:56:45.039 --> 01:56:47.960
more. I guess you could say
scene, it's not credible, but I

1432
01:56:47.960 --> 01:56:50.760
found more sources. There's a scene, an article, there's a bunch of

1433
01:56:50.800 --> 01:56:56.239
them people magazine. But yeah,
yeah, I know, I know what

1434
01:56:56.279 --> 01:57:00.319
you're saying, writer, Well,
that would be it would be ironic way,

1435
01:57:00.760 --> 01:57:02.680
whether it's really a piece of salami
or it's just the fact that it's

1436
01:57:02.680 --> 01:57:05.039
a fake story that you can get
people to think that it was a piece

1437
01:57:05.039 --> 01:57:09.399
of I think it kind of plays
out either way. How gullible the public,

1438
01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:14.239
which is how ai? I mean, who knows anymore? Now?

1439
01:57:15.119 --> 01:57:18.680
With AI? I mean it's so
hard to decipher now what's real and what's

1440
01:57:18.760 --> 01:57:24.079
not? You know, like I'll
share the CNN one feel more comfortable about

1441
01:57:24.199 --> 01:57:30.079
CNN than I do Star News or
whatever. That other website is dot co,

1442
01:57:30.199 --> 01:57:34.600
dot UK, dot tech, dot
news. Top scientists emits space telescope

1443
01:57:34.600 --> 01:57:41.920
imager was actually a slice of chariso. Wow, French scientists. I apologized

1444
01:57:41.960 --> 01:57:45.199
after tweeting a photo of a slice
chariso, claiming it was an image of

1445
01:57:45.199 --> 01:57:49.359
a distance star taken by the gems
web space telescope. Where's the picture?

1446
01:57:49.359 --> 01:57:55.880
All? Right? Here? It
is? Right? Wow? A slice

1447
01:57:55.920 --> 01:58:00.079
of chariso? That's how easy it
is. Where's that? Well, that's

1448
01:58:00.119 --> 01:58:04.279
not the original photo that he's shared, wasn't I don't know if that's the

1449
01:58:04.279 --> 01:58:09.920
original original No, because you would
have to do more to it than just

1450
01:58:10.680 --> 01:58:13.640
that, right, You have to
add some photoshop and stuff to it.

1451
01:58:15.560 --> 01:58:19.680
Well, that's interesting. There's also
an interesting story here. This is something

1452
01:58:19.720 --> 01:58:26.439
I just pulled up published in p
l Os, which is I believe,

1453
01:58:26.479 --> 01:58:30.680
a UK journal and you know you
can. I'm not telling you this or

1454
01:58:30.720 --> 01:58:34.119
showing you this article because I think
it's the end all, be all.

1455
01:58:34.119 --> 01:58:41.119
But it's a paper written about how
most scientific research findings are false because they're

1456
01:58:41.159 --> 01:58:45.960
based on false premises, false false
conclusions that are not based on evidence.

1457
01:58:45.000 --> 01:58:49.800
It's just like an assumption. It's
a really interesting little piece of I guess

1458
01:58:49.840 --> 01:58:54.600
you could say psychology and science,
showing that a lot of science isn't really

1459
01:58:54.640 --> 01:58:59.760
science. It's an interesting little study. It's interesting. I have to check

1460
01:58:59.800 --> 01:59:03.039
that later. Well, guys,
thank you so much. Just been an

1461
01:59:03.079 --> 01:59:06.680
honor and a privilege to have all
of you guys here on the very last

1462
01:59:06.720 --> 01:59:12.479
episode of the year, the very
last Live Raised by Giants episode, And

1463
01:59:12.520 --> 01:59:16.039
thank you everyone in the chat for
being here as well. Really appreciate each

1464
01:59:16.079 --> 01:59:20.800
and every one of you. It's
been an amazing year for me and Ryan.

1465
01:59:20.920 --> 01:59:25.960
Let people know where they can find
you online, brother, Yes,

1466
01:59:26.079 --> 01:59:29.680
thank you. So you can find
my show Monday through Friday, the Secret

1467
01:59:29.720 --> 01:59:34.039
Teachings Radio. It's on ground zero
dot Radio that's the mainstream, and then

1468
01:59:34.079 --> 01:59:38.560
it gets put into an archive on
my website where you can also find my

1469
01:59:38.680 --> 01:59:42.960
books, including Oakcult Arcana, which
has a huge section on the Christmas origin.

1470
01:59:43.439 --> 01:59:47.279
That's TRIPLEW dot, The Secret Teachings
Dot Info and then of course,

1471
01:59:47.319 --> 01:59:50.159
if you want to get my ad
free archive, you can jump over to

1472
01:59:50.239 --> 01:59:56.239
aftermath dot Media and that is who
hosts our show for Ground zero, So

1473
01:59:56.359 --> 02:00:00.600
ground Zerot Radio Monday through Friday.
Secret Teaching dot Info is my website aftermath

1474
02:00:00.680 --> 02:00:03.960
dot Media for the network. Thank
you, and I will be on the

1475
02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:08.079
Secret Teachings tomorrow. Is it tomorrow, Yes, it'll be tomorrow. We

1476
02:00:08.560 --> 02:00:13.760
got a simulcast going about the Keyr
code and synchronicity if you will, in

1477
02:00:13.840 --> 02:00:16.680
movies and television, video games and
pop culture. Fun way to end the

1478
02:00:17.319 --> 02:00:21.039
week before Christmas. Thanks so much, Ryan, really appreciate you. I

1479
02:00:21.159 --> 02:00:26.600
highly recommend his work and go to
the Secret Teachings dot com and check out

1480
02:00:26.600 --> 02:00:30.720
his archive. He's been doing this
for like ten years now. Very honorable

1481
02:00:31.000 --> 02:00:35.680
individual. Thanks so much, Ryan. Stay with me, brother Robert.

1482
02:00:36.520 --> 02:00:40.399
Let the people know where they can
find you, brother. Oh, the

1483
02:00:40.399 --> 02:00:45.399
Milky Way Soul Tribe, Yes,
they're right on YouTube and check me out.

1484
02:00:45.680 --> 02:00:51.520
I do Native American myths and legends
on Tuesdays with my co host David

1485
02:00:51.560 --> 02:00:58.640
no Hawkeye too Feathers, and of
course I got a live usually on Saturdays

1486
02:00:59.199 --> 02:01:01.319
nine o'clock. Whenever I come on, it's going to be nine o'clock and

1487
02:01:01.600 --> 02:01:08.279
this week I got r Wayne Steiger
coming on this Saturday night, So join

1488
02:01:08.359 --> 02:01:13.000
us there, oh baby, Yes, the links to Roberts information is in

1489
02:01:13.039 --> 02:01:15.680
the description of this video. Please
go over there and check that out.

1490
02:01:15.720 --> 02:01:18.680
Thanks so much for coming on,
Robert. Really appreciate your brother. Merry

1491
02:01:18.760 --> 02:01:24.279
Christmas, and I'll see you sometime
next year when we all get back together.

1492
02:01:24.720 --> 02:01:30.079
That's right, all right, stay
with me, Nina, thanks so

1493
02:01:30.159 --> 02:01:31.760
much for coming on. Really appreciate
you, my dear. Let people know

1494
02:01:31.800 --> 02:01:36.279
where they can find you. Yeah, So, Anina the Mystic on YouTube.

1495
02:01:36.279 --> 02:01:40.800
We'll find the link down in the
description here. And for the Solstice

1496
02:01:40.840 --> 02:01:44.880
and the Christmas season, I would
like to give away some free stickers.

1497
02:01:45.039 --> 02:01:49.319
They're like the glitter sticker. All
you have to do is email me okay,

1498
02:01:49.359 --> 02:01:54.000
and I will send you one free
of charge. You'll find my email

1499
02:01:54.199 --> 02:01:58.720
under every video. A matter of
fact, writer will be on Sunday.

1500
02:01:58.760 --> 02:02:01.920
For Sunday, you got a great
Christmas special show for you guys. So

1501
02:02:02.000 --> 02:02:05.760
in the description there you'll find my
email is. Email me with your mailing

1502
02:02:05.800 --> 02:02:12.760
address and I will send you a
free sticker. I want a free sticker,

1503
02:02:12.880 --> 02:02:15.520
Nina. I need stickers, Nina
hook me up? Yeah, well,

1504
02:02:15.520 --> 02:02:17.479
who doesn't like stickers, right,
especially the glitterate ones. You can't

1505
02:02:17.520 --> 02:02:21.119
go wrong with those. So just
email me your address and I'll send you

1506
02:02:21.159 --> 02:02:25.399
on right away. Awesome. Thanks
so much for coming on, you know,

1507
02:02:25.479 --> 02:02:29.039
really appreciate your time this evening,
and Merry Christmas and happy New Year

1508
02:02:29.079 --> 02:02:31.760
and see you next year. Yes
for sure, Thank you writer, Thank

1509
02:02:31.800 --> 02:02:35.079
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1512
02:02:45.800 --> 02:02:51.079
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1513
02:02:51.079 --> 02:03:02.119
you guys next year. One