1 00:00:30,719 --> 00:00:36,039 All right, good morning everybody, and welcome hobby friends. Welcome to Hobby 2 00:00:36,039 --> 00:00:41,000 Hotline. This is episode three oh four of Hobby Hotline. I'm your host, 3 00:00:41,039 --> 00:00:45,560 Logan Ward, and with me today is from let Me get that potograph. 4 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:48,960 Mister Drew Herndon, Hey Drew, how you doing? What's going on? 5 00:00:49,119 --> 00:00:51,439 Man? Good to be here, good to be back. Yep, 6 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:56,600 glad to see you. And the man who needs no introduction and who is 7 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:00,880 the han solo of the hobby Yes, mister mister uncle Rich Klinb. How 8 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:06,560 are you doing right? I see I type out uncle and I'm unlsee so 9 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:11,159 and uh, happy belated birthday, Rich, thank you. We went to 10 00:01:11,239 --> 00:01:18,439 the Frisco Rough Riders game and it was an afternoon game. Game was over 11 00:01:18,519 --> 00:01:21,760 real quickly. It's much better, and how even the minor league games are 12 00:01:21,799 --> 00:01:26,719 so much better with the pitch clock and all the stuff, and with my 13 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,519 wife's past medical history. The funny it's funny now, but for a few 14 00:01:30,519 --> 00:01:34,680 minutes it wasn't so funny. The game ended at two thirty seven, but 15 00:01:34,799 --> 00:01:38,719 her blood shirt because it got so hot and she didn't hydrate enough. Her 16 00:01:38,719 --> 00:01:42,560 blood sugar was two thirty eight. And I go too she goes to thirty 17 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:45,480 eight. I go, that's not so bad. I thought they were just 18 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,519 talking about the time. She goes, no, that's my blood sugar. 19 00:01:47,879 --> 00:01:51,159 It turned out the time was within a minute of her blood sugar. It's 20 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,959 like, by the time we got home, her blood sugar was back to 21 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:59,079 one seventy one seventy one air conditioning liquid and it was normal. But it's 22 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:02,879 a good listen if you have blood sugar issues and it's hot outside, keep 23 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:07,319 it drated. But it was great going to the game. We got free 24 00:02:07,319 --> 00:02:12,400 tickets. Actually, we were standing online to buy tickets. Somebody goes to 25 00:02:12,439 --> 00:02:15,240 me, Oh, you must be over fifty five, and will you fill 26 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:21,520 out this card for this senior healthcare type of place. Sure, okay, 27 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,000 here are two free tickets. Okay, that makes life a lot easier. 28 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:30,400 Hey, take it many. I took it very happily and sat by the 29 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:35,360 bullpen and I got to explain how you could see how the roles of bullpen 30 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,599 were doing. And it was fascinating watching how. And I said, in 31 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:42,719 the minor leagues they do it more truly by pitch count, and they don't 32 00:02:42,759 --> 00:02:46,240 really want the starting pitcher to go let's say more than ninety pitches and then 33 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,800 they have rolls. And yes, they want to win the games, but 34 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,560 they also wanted to develop players for the major So it was fascinating to see 35 00:02:55,120 --> 00:03:00,759 how they were developing pictures to the majors. And speaking of pitch major, 36 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:05,120 Logan is going to bring up our first topic because it really involves the major 37 00:03:05,199 --> 00:03:08,840 leagues. Yeah, real quick, I do want to say happy birthday to 38 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:14,400 Rich. He is one and one years old. Yes, one hundred and 39 00:03:14,439 --> 00:03:21,280 one, go Rich. Yeah, I like that one. Yeah, I 40 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,439 thought i'd spring that one on you guys. Yeah, So a lot to 41 00:03:23,479 --> 00:03:28,319 talk about today. We've got a we've got a whiz bang show for y'all. 42 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,280 But the first thing that I'd like to talk about would be uh Series 43 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:38,360 two Tops Baseball that came out this Ust. So some pretty cool stuff. 44 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:42,599 What do you like about it? Drew oh Man? I you know, 45 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,719 all right? So the design. First of all, everyone who has listened 46 00:03:46,759 --> 00:03:51,560 to any of my shows knows I really hated the design when it first came 47 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,879 out. The design's actually growing on me a little bit. I still wish 48 00:03:54,919 --> 00:03:59,599 they didn't use twenty fonts on the front, but you know, too little, 49 00:03:59,639 --> 00:04:02,680 too late. The designs growing on me a lot, and what they 50 00:04:02,759 --> 00:04:09,360 did in Series two I thought was brilliant. They series two outside of a 51 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:13,039 couple of years, there's always exceptions, but outside of a couple of years, 52 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,279 it's normally Series one and an update. Series two. A lot of 53 00:04:15,319 --> 00:04:19,720 times gets it's an afterthought with maybe a rookie in there too, but not 54 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:25,000 as many as one or update, because they seem to be holding players back 55 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:30,800 a lot to put them in those two sets. This year they they realized 56 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:32,800 they were going to have a strong rookie class. But what they've done with 57 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:40,000 the fun face air with the holiday, which is absolutely brilliant. I think 58 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,519 that that's just absolutely genius. I don't know if he I want to know 59 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,160 the story behind it. If he wrote it on his bat as a joke 60 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:53,360 to them and then they decided to make airs or was this all planned from 61 00:04:53,399 --> 00:04:59,720 the beginning to pay homage to a Fleer card, which I think is crazy 62 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:02,959 that are paying homage to a Fleer card. But I love all of the 63 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:08,040 different variations they did on that. I love the fact that they did the 64 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:11,959 women in Baseball set, which we'll touch on in a minute, and I 65 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:16,319 also love the uh the inclusion of the Wemby Stroud Duels, the fact that 66 00:05:16,319 --> 00:05:20,240 they limited those to eleven, and then I like that they put in you 67 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:25,199 know, Wemby and CJ Stroud autos as well. Of course, you got 68 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:30,439 to hope you actually get your sticker on your DJ Stroud autograph, as they 69 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,839 messed a couple of those up, it looks like. But I love what 70 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:39,199 they did. I love the unannounced parallels. I think it's it's one of 71 00:05:39,199 --> 00:05:43,240 the best Series two releases I found in a long time. I just hope 72 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,959 they don't jack the box prices up and make it not a flagship type of 73 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:54,399 price anymore, well Drew when it comes to the price point, won't that 74 00:05:54,439 --> 00:06:00,399 at some point actually be decided by the consumer because and and That's where I'm 75 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:03,279 hoping people just eventually let it stay. I mean, well, Fanatics is 76 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:08,279 gonna put it out there no matter what for breakers and everything, so I 77 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:12,360 mean breakers are going to break it at one level, and then hopefully people 78 00:06:13,199 --> 00:06:16,920 still treat it like it is flagship. But I do love what they've added 79 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:20,959 in. I mean they added into Golden Mirrors last year, they're back this 80 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:25,879 year. No bounty on them this year, of course, but just those 81 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:30,680 cards in general. I think I love what they're doing with the flagship brand. 82 00:06:31,319 --> 00:06:38,120 And you know there's the unannounced parallels, the different the throwbacks to the 83 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:42,399 f face card. I love it. I think it's brilliant. They just 84 00:06:42,439 --> 00:06:45,560 got to get a lot better when it comes to you know, it's nice 85 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,360 to watch them say on the back of the card that representative watched them sign 86 00:06:49,399 --> 00:06:54,399 the card. Let's have a rep actually watch them put the sticker on the 87 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:59,160 card. But you know, well, well, I without getting into that 88 00:07:00,319 --> 00:07:03,319 learning. You know, they owe the printing presses now and they're still learning. 89 00:07:03,959 --> 00:07:08,720 And you know, I've once suggested that you actually do something the old 90 00:07:08,759 --> 00:07:13,920 school way, just like a doctor does with a surgery or an airplane pilot 91 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,759 does with when and they have a checklist, and you have a it could 92 00:07:16,759 --> 00:07:20,040 be handwritten, it could be you printed out, and every time you do 93 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:25,680 something, you check it off and it's okay, everything's been done. That 94 00:07:25,879 --> 00:07:30,879 may save some of these production We seem to have a production area error in 95 00:07:30,959 --> 00:07:34,839 every set. And I think that's still a little bit of the inexperience of 96 00:07:34,879 --> 00:07:40,920 the people running the production press. Because the people at GCI, they've been 97 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,040 doing it for twenty five thirty years. Oh yeah, And you don't just 98 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:48,560 step in and do something. And I know this from experience. I know 99 00:07:48,639 --> 00:07:51,920 this from my Becket days. I know this from my comm Sea days. 100 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,519 And even though you don't have some you don't throw something into the deep water 101 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,839 in the job I did Becket or I'm doing a com see without some training 102 00:08:01,199 --> 00:08:07,959 and without some ways to doing it. So I think a little that will 103 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:11,079 help. But Drew, I think you hit on a really good point. 104 00:08:11,519 --> 00:08:16,600 Series two has always been treated as the redheaded step child they're doing. It's 105 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:22,920 great that they are adding innovations to series to good innovations. There's anticipation for 106 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,079 Series two. They're never is Yeah, they're never. I know, I'm 107 00:08:28,439 --> 00:08:31,039 you know, I'm thinking, hey, maybe I need to go to Walmart 108 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,879 or Targe today and buy a buy a blaster box, just to have some 109 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,360 fun. I probably Walmart. As soon as the show's over, We're headed 110 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,639 to Walmart. If they have any, I know I'm gonna grab some just 111 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:50,440 because so real quick. You know, you're talking about the Jackson Holliday card 112 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,080 and the fun face and all that. I heard that they're going to have 113 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,840 a black box variation. Have you guys heard about that? Yeah, apparently 114 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,600 they did. From my understanding, they did every variation that he has because 115 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:09,360 they have the saw cut out die cut, they've got the white they've got 116 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:13,399 the white box, they've got the scribble. Apparently there's going to be a 117 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:18,240 black box too. For my understanding, they did every variation that is on 118 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,399 the original card. My question really that I want to know to you guys 119 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:33,360 is are you surprised that Tops did such a you know, an homage paid 120 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,960 homage to a Fleer card? Because Tops has such a rich history, they 121 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,960 could have found any other card. It wouldn't have been as funny, I 122 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:46,240 don't think, but they could have found any card they wanted really and done 123 00:09:46,279 --> 00:09:50,960 some iconic throwback the Randy g Well, that'd be upper Deck, you know, 124 00:09:50,399 --> 00:09:56,279 but any Tops card that's known with an air. But having them do 125 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:01,200 a Fleer card's kind of interesting considering you know, people will associate Fleer with 126 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,120 Skybox and Skyboxes with upper Deck. It's kind of weird to see Tops, 127 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,960 you know doing that. Yeah, that type of air I love it, 128 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,320 but it's a little oyd. What do you guys think? Well, I 129 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:15,919 will say this, you know, I have heard that they're going to have 130 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:18,360 like a rainbow kind of deal for the Jackson Halliday card. In fact, 131 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:22,120 I've got some pictures of it. Check it out. They're going to have 132 00:10:22,159 --> 00:10:26,080 some black box. They're gonna have a red, orange, yellow, green, 133 00:10:26,279 --> 00:10:30,320 oh wow, and purple box. And then there's there's one with the 134 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:33,120 Fanatics logo on there. And uh, if you pull that one, I 135 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:37,120 think you get a ride in Michael Rubin's limo. Is Michael Rubin in the 136 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,080 limo? Or do I get to just take it and go have fun? 137 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:48,279 So yeah, collect the rainbow. That's crazy, okay, because see I 138 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,240 saw the scribbled out versions and stuff like that, but I did not see 139 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:58,080 the chase the rainbow skittles, uh design on the on the bat knives and 140 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:01,120 I and that's a great comment. Fleers isn't really even Fleer isn't really a 141 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:07,759 card company today, you know, So what's wrong with We've always paid homage 142 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,720 to back in the day cards. I mean, I remember in nineteen ninety 143 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,639 one when Fleir did some set oh, and we started looking at it. 144 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:18,960 Oh, that's like that looks like some set from nineteen eleven. So it 145 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:22,200 was one of the insert sets and it had so you always pay homage to 146 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:28,600 things that may not be Tops or Fleer or Donna, So what's why agree. 147 00:11:28,279 --> 00:11:31,320 I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I completely agree with you. 148 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:35,879 I'm just surprised to see Top to do it because normally they pay homage 149 00:11:35,919 --> 00:11:39,960 to cards of their own in the past, and they have so many iconic 150 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:46,320 cards of their own. It's just interesting that they went this route, in 151 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:52,120 my opinion, just because they normally like to celebrate their own history. Because 152 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,080 take a pick, there's thousands that they could choose from, you know, 153 00:11:56,399 --> 00:12:03,159 I mean, I mean Jack as Couter pointing out T two O six to 154 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,759 T two five. You know, they haven't always just done Tops, so 155 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:13,799 Fleer is not a competitor right now, I agree, I agree why. 156 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,360 I thought it was interesting. I just thought it was interesting to see a 157 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:20,600 Fleer card being done as opposed to any of the various Tops cards they could 158 00:12:20,879 --> 00:12:24,600 oppose to the guy with a surfboard like the eighty eight Tim Flannery card, 159 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:28,639 or the snake like the eighty four Glen Hubbard card, or was it Catcher 160 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:31,519 with a big hat? I mean, I think they've done other cards with 161 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:37,200 big hats, but I think that's nothing wrong with using cool cards. From 162 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,480 from the past, sixty three Fleer when Tops didn't have Morey Wolves under contract. 163 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:46,519 The sixty three Morey Wolves has in the lower left corner sixty two National 164 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,200 League MVP. Isn't that cool to put on the corner of a card for 165 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,399 whoever wins the MVP in the National League or American League or Cy young Is. 166 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,960 You don't even have to do an honor, You just put that on 167 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:03,080 the card. Yeah, No, I love it. Yeah. Cooter is 168 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,799 talking about the same thing we're talking about. He says two two of six 169 00:13:05,879 --> 00:13:11,240 is were produced by Top yet the Youth design. They saw the marketing opportunity 170 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,879 and they took it. So yeah, totally. Yeah. They they found 171 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:18,240 that no one had the IP, they found that they could use the IP 172 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,240 and license it out and they were able to make the set. I mean, 173 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,360 people needs to do it all the time. Brian Gary Bryce did gouty 174 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:28,879 about fifteen years ago when they still had a baseball license. Yeah, and 175 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:31,639 I mean Brian Gray, Brian Gray is a perfect example. I don't know 176 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:37,320 when he left Leaf if he gave Leaf everything that he had, but he 177 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:43,799 owns countless and IP, you know companies. That's why I brought back pro 178 00:13:43,919 --> 00:13:48,399 set because he had to or he'd lose it. But you know he owns 179 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,639 or did own quite a few of them, so you know, there's nothing. 180 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,759 I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with it. It was just interesting 181 00:13:54,840 --> 00:14:01,320 to me to see that card of all cards being redone this year. You 182 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,000 know, I get the oriole, you know, connection a little bit, 183 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,120 and maybe that's all it was, but you know it's just Tops normally likes 184 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,120 to celebrate their own history. But I love it. I think it was 185 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,799 a brilliant idea. I think it's a cool chase card. I think there's 186 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:22,480 way too many parallels now that I saw the chase the rainbow part, I 187 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,879 kind of liked it when there was just the original you know, scribbles and 188 00:14:26,879 --> 00:14:30,879 stuff like that. I don't think we need all of the colors, but 189 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:35,159 hey, who knows. Can I throw a funny hobby history story at you 190 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:41,360 all go for it? Okay? When Tops announced like the T in those 191 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,440 days, when Tops twenty twenty two, twenty three, twenty years ago, 192 00:14:45,919 --> 00:14:50,480 when Tops was doing Tops T twelve six, the Tops T Towal five and 193 00:14:50,559 --> 00:14:56,039 Tops Cracker Jacket, They're leading purchaser of those those original cards was Kit jump 194 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:01,039 Kids started putting out buys on various networks, you know, various news groups 195 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,360 at the time, I'm looking for all your T twelve sixes or all your 196 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:09,639 T two o fives. So we were going. We contacted TOPS and we 197 00:15:09,679 --> 00:15:11,000 said when when is Crackerjack coming out? And they said, what do you 198 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:18,159 mean your primary buyer is just putting a buy out for Crackerjack cards that said 199 00:15:18,279 --> 00:15:20,840 is coming? Uh. We sped up there half there. We sped up 200 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:24,600 when I was back at the official release of when Tops was announcing their thing 201 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:30,720 by we screw up. We screwed up their entire publicity campaign because we were 202 00:15:30,759 --> 00:15:33,080 able to say, you're going to do it, you might as well announce 203 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,519 it now because otherwise we'll do it for you. And it was journalism. 204 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:43,639 It wasn't like, hey, you know he's buying the cards. You know 205 00:15:43,679 --> 00:15:46,720 he's the buyer for TOPS. You know. It doesn't Hey, this is 206 00:15:46,759 --> 00:15:52,159 not investigative journalism. This is no click Okay, Oops, okay, yeah, 207 00:15:52,279 --> 00:15:58,440 we're okay. Yeah. So a lot of cool stuff was Series two. 208 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:02,799 I do want to hear what they do say about those CJ. Strouds, 209 00:16:02,919 --> 00:16:07,120 as I've seen countless of them now without the autograph on it. I 210 00:16:07,159 --> 00:16:11,799 hope Tops comes out and does something for those people. Seems like they've been 211 00:16:11,799 --> 00:16:15,039 doing a good job lately of fixing mistakes. There's been a lot of them 212 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:18,519 to fix, but they've done a good job of fixing those mistakes. So 213 00:16:18,799 --> 00:16:23,080 hopefully they fix these. But uh, Series two looking like a lot of 214 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,200 fun for ones at least. Hey, I'm all in. I'm all in 215 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:30,879 to at least get a blaster box at some point. Same here, maybe 216 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:33,679 a hanger, hangers or bangers. Yes, yeah, that's what the kids 217 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:40,440 say. So also within series two, we've got the women in baseball. 218 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,919 Yes, so I think that's really awesome what they've done there. And here's 219 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:48,200 here's a picture. It's a it's a five card subset. So what do 220 00:16:48,279 --> 00:16:52,799 you think about that? Rich where your thought? Hey, remember Tops wants 221 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,840 to tenxt the hobby, and you know you don't do ten X by going 222 00:16:56,879 --> 00:17:03,080 from zero to one hundred in three zo point two seconds. Yeah, women 223 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:07,039 are fifty one percent of the world's population or fifty two or it's more than 224 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:11,799 fifty percent. Anything that can help get more women buying cards, I'm all 225 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:15,920 in favor of. You know, we've had women in the past on our 226 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,759 hobby hoop line, and I think Erica may still be with us. And 227 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:23,079 so I'm a big fan of having more women collectors period, and if this 228 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:27,079 is an impetus to get more women collectors, let's go for it. Yeah. 229 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:33,000 So also, you know, just from being at two shows in the 230 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:38,680 last last weekend in Indy and in Detroit, there were a lot of women 231 00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:44,160 collectors there that were there by themselves, that were not there with their boyfriend 232 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,200 that was there collecting or things like that. There were a lot of people 233 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:52,599 there that were genuinely collecting that we're submitting cards to psaight or regiment booths. 234 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:56,599 Like. There's a lot more in the industry, especially online as well. 235 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:03,160 The online community's going way past just women wanting to do content creation and being 236 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,240 legitimate collectors that are just in rooms making trades. I just made a trade 237 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,480 the other day with someone who's been in the hobby maybe six months. It's 238 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:17,359 a woman, and tradement flaws was awesome. I think it's great that TOPS 239 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:22,839 is, you know, highlighting important people and important women that have had an 240 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,599 impact on the game in baseball, especially since they've kind of shown you now 241 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:32,000 that the new way it's going to be at least until they get the licenses, 242 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:36,880 all the licenses and own everything. They're going to mix different stuff in 243 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:41,000 as much as they can. They're not afraid to throw other sports, other 244 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,559 things, just other subsets, whatever they want into these sets. And so 245 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,680 I think Series two is a perfect spot to throw these in. I think 246 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,839 it's better than throwing it in something like Big League. I like seeing it 247 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:57,480 in series two. I think it's great. You know, we'll see how 248 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:02,960 it goes on the secondary market and things like that. But a great choice 249 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,920 for the first five and we'll see if if they keep it going, I 250 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:11,279 think they should. I will also point out that are I'm gonna call it 251 00:19:11,319 --> 00:19:17,359 our sister publication, Hobby News Daily. We have several lady writers and they're 252 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,599 all really and they're all really good, phenomenal. There's some phenomenal articles up 253 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:26,160 by those ladies. One. Yeah, so, I mean it was great 254 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,000 reading about the Dallas card show from I did not know her, but from 255 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:34,119 a young lady's perspective that I had never did. I don't remember because I 256 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,799 don't know everybody in the main room, even though I like to think I 257 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:44,160 do. Yeah, you so real quick, I did a little bit of 258 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,480 digging to find out more about these women. Real quick, listen, I 259 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:53,920 think it's Nickan or Nickin. She is the very first ever full female full 260 00:19:53,960 --> 00:20:00,160 time coach in the Major League Baseball and she is an assistant coach for the 261 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:07,599 San Francisco Giants, So that's neat. And Veronica Alvarez is the USA Women's 262 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:14,039 Baseball national team manager and she's the newly appointed Girls Baseball Ambassador for the Major 263 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:19,480 League Baseball. And Jessica Mendoza Uh, she is a Team USA Softball olympian 264 00:20:19,599 --> 00:20:26,279 and ESPN reporter who became the first female analyst for nationally televised Major League Baseball 265 00:20:26,279 --> 00:20:30,680 games. Uh. And Rachel Folding she is the Chicago Cubs hitting coordinator. 266 00:20:30,799 --> 00:20:37,400 That's pretty neat right there. I like that. And Ronnie Gajownik is a 267 00:20:37,559 --> 00:20:41,839 high a manager for the Hillsboro Hops. So that's what all these ladies are 268 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:47,720 doing right now. Very nice. I got a special guest here who wants 269 00:20:47,759 --> 00:20:55,000 to say, Hi, cameras right there? So much? What's up? 270 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:00,480 Not much? I wanted to show them my new edit. I didn't show 271 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,200 it. That's fine, right, you definitely want to se that. But 272 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:15,839 yeah, that's a damn. Oh wow, hey you goof bah? All 273 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,720 right, so that's my son. Everybody, Well it is Father's Day weekend, 274 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:26,240 so yeah it is. That's a great transition. I know we didn't 275 00:21:26,279 --> 00:21:30,359 plan it, but I think i'd love to see in the chats to some 276 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,960 of the comments about about you know what, what if anything your father did 277 00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:38,319 to help you with your collecting or other things like that, yeah, or 278 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:42,119 what you're what you're doing with your children for sure, so you look with 279 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,160 your children? Yes, yeah I can. I can start off real quick 280 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:51,480 with that. My influence with my dad in collecting. He actually took me 281 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:56,480 to Woolworths to buy my very first packs of baseball cards in nineteen seventy one. 282 00:21:56,079 --> 00:22:00,559 I can still remember it. I had a quarter and went into wool 283 00:22:00,559 --> 00:22:03,440 Wars He's we were at. We were out doing errands, and uh, 284 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,119 the kids next door had started collecting cards and I asked my dad said, 285 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:11,359 can we stop at wool worst I'd like to see if they have baseball cards 286 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,960 and I can buy them. So I went in there, got me a 287 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,200 couple of packs because it said ten cents on the box. I got up 288 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:19,400 to the checkout and the lady only charged me and Nickel of packs. I 289 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,000 went back and got a couple more packs and ended up with like four packs 290 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,920 of baseball cards for a quarter. So that was that was my very first, 291 00:22:27,319 --> 00:22:34,240 uh you know pack you experience with my dad. And and I once 292 00:22:34,279 --> 00:22:38,079 wrote when my dad passed, and because I was still at Becket at the 293 00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:45,440 time, and I wrote about him in terms of we would go occasionally to 294 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:48,200 the stores, you know, the card stores they were actually card stores by 295 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:53,400 the seventies, and we go and I was writing the errors in Variation column 296 00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:59,759 and they had found the forty nine Bowman Johnny meis variations for me. They 297 00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:02,880 knew I like stuff like that, so they put that away from me. 298 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:07,799 And it was just fun because I use that as a as a way to 299 00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:11,640 write the article. Just one of the many ways he influenced how I collect 300 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:15,599 and how I do things. And he'd be with me at the shows, 301 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,720 a lot of the shows in the New York area in the eighties, and 302 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,599 we had a lot of fun together. It was business. He had been 303 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,079 a vest pocket, stamp and coin dealer, or what we would call a 304 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,200 weekend warrior way back in the day, with stamps and coins and a lot 305 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,480 of what I learned. I learned from him in terms of how to deal 306 00:23:33,559 --> 00:23:36,960 with people, how to have fun and don't take you know, and don't 307 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,480 take it so seriously. It's money, but guess what, you should also 308 00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:44,480 have fun with it. No, yeah, I completely agree. Well, 309 00:23:44,519 --> 00:23:48,960 you know, it's kind of twofold with me right now. Luckily my dad's 310 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,839 still with me and everything. And my dad was very influential in my card 311 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:59,160 collecting growing up. I remember my parents were always divorced, so I was 312 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,599 always going back from whether it was Mississippi or Florida, to North Carolina to 313 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,839 visit him. And every time we'd go, we'd go to the mall, 314 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,240 which had an awesome card shop in it. And that's really where I got 315 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:15,680 my introduction into cards when I was a little kid, and that ended up 316 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,559 being the only place I wanted to go when I came into town. Luckily, 317 00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:22,000 we live in a small town, so there wasn't much else to go 318 00:24:22,039 --> 00:24:29,200 to anyway, but there was a card shop here and that's really, you 319 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,640 know, that's really what got me started throughout it. And he was always 320 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:37,400 very supportive of it, and he was a collector himself, not in a 321 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:41,359 big way, but you know, a decent amount. And now with Jude, 322 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:47,799 he's you know, sports cards not so much yet, but Pokemon cards, 323 00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:49,720 and he's real big into autographs. We go to a lot of minor 324 00:24:49,799 --> 00:24:55,319 league games and things like that. Hickory Crawdads, I think all know him 325 00:24:55,319 --> 00:25:00,480 by name, so you know, I kind of try and pass that down 326 00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:03,200 and bring him into the world of the hobby. And he seems to love 327 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,839 it with Pokemon and all his friends and everything like that. But it's also 328 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,920 taught him a lot about you know, he's trading, he's learning the stuff 329 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,359 I do in the business. He's wanting to go work collector cons with me 330 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,799 next year when I think he's finally old enough, you know. And I 331 00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:27,039 think it's wonderful to see the younger generation and how passionate they are about the 332 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:32,079 hobby, because they really are. There's a really strong, you know, 333 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:34,559 youth movement towards the hobby. When people find out that, you know, 334 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,519 I work in the hobby and things like that, it's always to them like 335 00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:41,400 the coolest thing in the world. They love it. They think it's amazing. 336 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:45,720 So you know, that's kind of my thing. But my dad and 337 00:25:45,839 --> 00:25:49,880 going to the mall to the card shop in the mall. Don't remember what 338 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,799 it was called, was just a random place in the mall, but that's 339 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,960 what I remember, buying hockey singles with my dad. True, not to 340 00:25:57,279 --> 00:26:00,759 I know we're talking about our parents, but I know your mom's been having 341 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:03,359 some health issues over the year, and you mentioned your mom. How is 342 00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:06,000 how is she? And I don't get to talk to you offer them how 343 00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:11,680 is she doing? She's hanging in there. For those that don't watch a 344 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:15,400 show or anything, it's no secret anything, but my mom does have ALS 345 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:22,720 and it's it's progressing pretty rapidly, but she's she's hanging in there. She's 346 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,799 a fighter, but she's still doing Okay. Uh, it comes in spurts. 347 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,119 It'll be fine for a long time, and then a lot of things 348 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,079 will go bad, you know, quickly, and then it'll kind of ease 349 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,519 off. But you know, luckily she's still there as the same person and 350 00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:44,240 everything just a little different. But she's hanging in there. She's doing well. 351 00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:45,359 Thank you for asking. By the way. Well, the sad thing 352 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:51,200 with ALS is your mind never leaves you. You're still yeah, yeah, 353 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,200 I mean your body feels that your mind stays sharp and so at least you 354 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,279 know you have that, and it's great. By the way, some of 355 00:26:57,319 --> 00:27:03,319 these stories are great in the chat about their fathers. Yeah, yeah, 356 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,039 I know. This is one that I could really connect to right here, 357 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:14,119 Mike Petty says. My dad told me I was ft in the head when 358 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,759 I said seventy five dollars to Larry Fritz for a nineteen fifty two tops Mickey 359 00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:21,519 Manel in nineteen seventy four. He was right. Larry ripped me off and 360 00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:25,039 sent me three other cards in a twenty five dollars credit. I have a 361 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,960 very similar story to that. This was nineteen seventy nine and a dealer friend 362 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,920 of mine here in town bought a collection and there was a fifty two Maniel 363 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:38,440 in there and I wanted it. He told me it was fifteen hundred dollars. 364 00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:42,640 And keep in mind, this is nineteen seventy nine, fifteen hundred dollars, 365 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:47,519 and I'm making like two dollars an hour working at big store grocery store. 366 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,640 So I told my dad, I said I was going to buy this 367 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,039 car for fifteen hundred dollars, and he told me that I was absolutely out 368 00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:57,079 of my mind for spending that kind of money on a baseball card. What 369 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:02,880 is wrong with you? Son? So I ended up saving the money. 370 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,720 That's a long story I won't get into. But I got the card. 371 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:11,559 I sold it, I think like eight years later for six thousand dollars. 372 00:28:11,559 --> 00:28:15,480 And you use that as a down payment on my very first house. I 373 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,200 still wish I had the card now though. Hey, look it was a 374 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,759 down payment on your house. He said, it was your first house. 375 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,559 Yes, still you made money with the house. It served a very good 376 00:28:23,599 --> 00:28:29,960 purpose. Yeah, exactly Like I like Mooki's comment to here. My dad 377 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,839 paid me two dollars an hour to wash dishes at his restaurant and let me 378 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,960 waste wasted on nineteen eighty seven, watch track, I thinks from the New 379 00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:41,880 York area, Mooki, what restaurant was your dad's? Yeah? And I 380 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,400 mean and by the way, I saw a Rex posted thank you for putting 381 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,319 us up on the big screen at both your stores. We appreciate YEA. 382 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,279 By the way, Rex's kids are both actively involved in the hobby, and 383 00:28:53,319 --> 00:28:59,240 that's great. He's creating a success from plan if they both want to come 384 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:02,400 into it. He's got a secession plan. One kid can do one store 385 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,279 and the other kid can do the other store there you go, Yeah, 386 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,720 they don't. You don't have to fight over anything, perfect exactly. Yeah, 387 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,759 just location. And I love this story about the kids going around the 388 00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:18,359 Denver Card Shows. Yeah, John and them who have They've got a show 389 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:22,920 coming up next weekend. By the way, next weekend Denver Card Shows has 390 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,839 a show, uh, really great show at the Delta Thornton. So definitely 391 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,119 go check that out if you're in Denver area. And I mean, but 392 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,480 it's a true story. I know at the National there are there there used 393 00:29:33,519 --> 00:29:38,039 to be some kids that would go around and discuss and they would they would 394 00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:41,519 have their they'd have paper towels and they'd have the thing and they clean showcase 395 00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:45,279 for a dollar. And it doesn't sound like a lot, but if they're 396 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:48,319 bringing home a few hundred dollars at the end of the day, that gives 397 00:29:48,359 --> 00:29:55,680 them really play with Yes easy. By the way, speaking of let's let's 398 00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,279 I know we're hopscotching and I know we should have had let Logan do it, 399 00:29:59,319 --> 00:30:02,279 but I know we want the touch of Pavis. Anyway, let's talk 400 00:30:02,319 --> 00:30:06,039 about a couple of things with the National. Well, well, hold on, 401 00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:08,160 rich, hold on, rich, I've got I've got a couple more 402 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:12,559 little stories. I've got to tell you guys real quick. First of all, 403 00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:17,000 you know my son, my son is a collector now as well because 404 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:22,200 I'm I'm sure that I influenced him, uh when he was born. Of 405 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:25,920 course, I'm a Nascar fan. I put a diecast Nascar car in his 406 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,440 little crib. So anyway, he's become a collector. He he goes to 407 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,640 the National with me every year. In fact, there he is. For 408 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,039 those of you who don't know who he is, that that's my son Tyler. 409 00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:41,119 And he's known as Tyler sports Guy on Instagram, so I don't know 410 00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:44,319 if you're following him or not. He has a lot of funny stuff. 411 00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:47,599 Uh, he kind of goes out there a little bit. But uh, 412 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,599 he's a collector. He collects football cars. He loves Nascar, but his 413 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,759 passion to collect his football cars, especially Hall of famers. So you know, 414 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,880 it's fun to go to the National and be with him. Uh. 415 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:03,720 And and I really really loved that. And then Tyler is awesome. I 416 00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:07,559 loved Tyler. And one more story, rich you and you reminded me of 417 00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:11,799 it just a second ago. When I was a kid, my dad worked 418 00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:15,319 for Nesley's. So you know, we had all kinds of chocolate, you 419 00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:18,319 know, all the time, free samples and everything. He would get me 420 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,559 free samples that I could take to school and that I could sell, and 421 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,240 I would take those candy bars and I would sell them for a nickel apiece 422 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,279 or six for a quarter, and I would take that money and I would 423 00:31:30,319 --> 00:31:33,480 go buy baseball cards thanks to my dad. So that that was, you 424 00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:37,160 know, so he kind of enabled me there. So I was, I 425 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:41,720 was doing that until the principal put the kebash on it and told me that 426 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,839 I was interfering with all the other you know, school functions that were going 427 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:51,960 on. People weren't spending any money except with me buying candy bars. Hey, 428 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,079 you were running a business. He should have been thankful that you're running 429 00:31:55,079 --> 00:32:00,240 a business. Yeah. So yeah, So now if you guys are okay, 430 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,839 let's go talk about the national. From what I've heard, they put 431 00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:08,880 the again, I'm gonna use this word, they put the cabache on allowing 432 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:15,480 dealers to either rent out or lend out their tables to other collectors and other 433 00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:19,799 dealers. So I know, Rich you've got some thoughts on that. Well, 434 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,000 on some level, it's unenforceable. Now, if I take a table 435 00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:27,160 and I don't show up, and I actually did that fifteen years ago, 436 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,960 where somebody gave me tables and they were not at the show, that is 437 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:35,160 that is a violation. And I would agree with throwing with taking away those 438 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,599 people's tables. But if I it's the National is a six day marathon. 439 00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:44,880 Is a vendor Now almost every vendor comes up on Tuesday and you leave on 440 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,680 Sunday, and they want you to stay unless there's some really important thing till 441 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,960 at least three o'clock on Sunday. I can't do the National by six days 442 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,519 anymore. I mean I can do the Dallas card Show by myself for a 443 00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:59,119 simple reason. It's ten minutes from my house. I know the rhythm. 444 00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:02,039 I'm not I know who I'm dealing with. To a large extent, I 445 00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:07,400 don't have that. It's not as it's hard. My wife found out when 446 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,480 she walked around a Dallas card show. She now says, oh, I 447 00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:15,039 now know why you tell me you don't want to do anything during Dallas Card 448 00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:19,440 Show weekend. He's finally seen the light and says, I'm not gonna bother 449 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,440 you if you tell me it's a Dallas card show weekend. Having said that, 450 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,039 I go up to the show. I know Drew Herndon has some really 451 00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:29,880 cool modern stuff that looks great in a showcase. Drew doesn't have a place 452 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,079 to set up. I say, Drew, I will give you a showcase. 453 00:33:32,319 --> 00:33:35,880 Share, you know, share my table with me or help you with 454 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,720 the table and take a showcase. Is your compensation because you're gonna pay. 455 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:42,720 You're gonna be able to pay for your whole trip by why the bling you 456 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:49,599 bring up? What is wrong with that? Now? Giving your table away 457 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,440 is one thing. Having somebody help you to give them a showcase. I 458 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:57,279 think you'll get eleven showcases if you do nothing with showcases. I think it's 459 00:33:57,319 --> 00:34:01,960 eleven showcases of the national What is wrong with letting somebody use one showcase to 460 00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:07,440 help you because you because you can't deal with the physical exhaustion of doing all 461 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,440 six days? Well, I mean I completely agree with you. And we 462 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:17,119 always got extra space and we always shared it with like Zion Cases, who 463 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:22,199 works real closely with our company that we work with. We always used to 464 00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,920 basically share like a massive island. And so you know, I mean that 465 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:34,480 we would fall under that category as well, But I don't understand it because 466 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:40,599 what, Okay, so obviously those people are selling that part of the their 467 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:45,360 table or letting someone else use that part of the table because either they're not 468 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,920 going to be there or they don't have use for it. So what do 469 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,960 they want? Empty tables? Are they going to take the tables out or 470 00:34:52,039 --> 00:34:55,880 other people going to get these tables or other people going to be allowed to 471 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:00,440 purchase them? Like, how what are they going to do with all this 472 00:35:00,519 --> 00:35:02,559 stuff? And if they enforce it, like you said, it's going to 473 00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:08,599 be very hard to enforce. But unless you make it just blatantly obvious and 474 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:14,719 post on social media that you're coming in for a day and renting out your 475 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:21,079 friend's table, you know, because the NSECC accounts do follow that stuff. 476 00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:24,840 But if you don't make it egregious, I just don't see how they're going 477 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,880 to be able to enforce it. But I don't see any problem with it 478 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,519 whatsoever, because all you're doing is getting more people in there to sell stuff, 479 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,639 to maybe show off a new product, maybe you know, provide some 480 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,960 type of service that you need for your cards or whatever. It is, 481 00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:46,039 like lots of different possibilities, So I see nothing wrong with it. Now 482 00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:50,039 maybe in the corporate area, you say, you know, if you're in 483 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:53,280 the corporate area, it's got to be a corporate style thing. But they 484 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:58,639 already have that rule in place and they do enforce it. So I mean, 485 00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:02,559 I don't get the whole taking away tables type of thing. And I'd 486 00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:07,400 like to ask the chat if anyone knows anyone, because I've heard this from 487 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:13,000 multiple people, but I haven't got any confirmation on it yet that some people 488 00:36:13,039 --> 00:36:17,320 are actually having their tables taking away from them already, like they've already taken 489 00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:22,599 away people's tables. And if anyone knows anyone that has a table that has 490 00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:25,840 been taken away, please let me know in the comments, because I'd like 491 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,840 to know. But yeah, I it makes no sense to me. I 492 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:36,320 don't understand it right, and I get where and I do get some of 493 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,000 what what this is. Yeah, it's they were people were making money, 494 00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:44,239 of course, and you know that's what I'm saying. But where do you 495 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,440 draw the line. That's why I've brought up an example of giving you a 496 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,320 showcase. I don't think I'm selling you part of my table. You are 497 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,480 helping me. I am compensating you for helping me. That is to me, 498 00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:59,519 a totally legitimate thing. It's there was Now when they kick you out 499 00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:02,320 for that though, because that's a little different, well yeah, but that's 500 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,280 sharing a table. That's still sharing a table. It is, Yeah, 501 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,639 it is. And that's why I'm saying, I don't think this is really 502 00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:13,599 a good enforceable rule. Now, the rule I bought what I did a 503 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,880 national in two thousand and eight on a friend of mine's table and they weren't 504 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,000 there, and I was that's enforceable. And to me that unless something happened 505 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:28,199 with a family emergency, that is something I won't disagree with that. If 506 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,320 the vendor or the owner of the table doesn't show up, yeah, okay 507 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,400 that I will give you that one. But I'm not going to give you 508 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,360 the one where my friend takes my friend takes two boots and he has two 509 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,840 friends watch helping him, and each of them get a showcase or two to 510 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,519 put out stuff. That's a different circumstance. In my opinion, I just 511 00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:50,679 know I'm going to be pissed if I walk the floor and I see like 512 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:55,639 partial islands that are empty because they kick somebody out and no one gets to 513 00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:59,519 replace them, you know, like I don't want to walk the National and 514 00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:05,440 see the tables. There's enough shows where people leave early, Like that's if 515 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,840 people have to leave early because they can't do the whole grind, that's fine, 516 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:14,920 but there should be people that are that. People should be able to 517 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,639 replace those people, you know what I mean. And I don't see a 518 00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:22,039 problem with people saying, hey, I can't make it, but I got 519 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:25,320 the table. Especially with the way the National does it, with the stupid 520 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:34,000 raffle auction bs, you know, like the way that table selection is done 521 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:37,920 in general, I think it's ridiculous. So I don't know, I have 522 00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:42,840 no problem with it. I think it's I think it's ludicrous. But we'll 523 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,119 see if they even enforce it. I don't think they will too much, 524 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:51,159 like I said, unless you're just ridiculously egregious about it and really throw it 525 00:38:51,159 --> 00:38:54,840 in their face. Well, to me, it's kind of like sorry to 526 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:58,480 me. There was a Dallas card show once where they wanted to try to 527 00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:01,400 start enforcing no food brought in from me outside, you know, they do 528 00:39:01,519 --> 00:39:07,079 self food, and there was and I saw maybe a couple of people get 529 00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:09,719 stopped and everything. You know, like if I if I carry a vaalue 530 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,039 with a sandwich, if I if I if I stop and get a sandwich 531 00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:15,199 at subway on my way to the show, and I put it into my 532 00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,920 bag, and I get my sewed in my chips and I bring it in, 533 00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,920 or I bring in a sandwich from home or something from home. How 534 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:23,760 do you stop me from doing that? Are you gonna Are you gonna check 535 00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:28,199 every single bag? I mean you know there are And and after about two 536 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,480 days they realized this isn't gonna work. Let's not do this one again. 537 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:36,559 And I think you it's new people running the national. They're very good. 538 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,639 They're very good at promoting. So, don't get me wrong, very no, 539 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:45,000 no, don't get me wrong. But I think this is something where 540 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:46,760 I think you set the limit. Hey, if you don't show up, 541 00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:51,880 yeah, but if you but if you get help at your table, we're 542 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:59,000 not going to control your help at your table. No, okay, anyway, 543 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,960 I've got to leave for a and i'll be back. Logan. My 544 00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:04,800 wife just called, so I want to see what's up with her. All 545 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:08,360 right, I'll take you out. All right, it's the Logan and Drew 546 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:14,119 Show. What's up everybody? Yeah? Yeah, Hey, what's up for 547 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:20,239 Logan and Drew after dark. I don't know that that's trying, not anything 548 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,039 anyone wants to say. But uh, you know you're you're talking about these 549 00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:29,719 tables. Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of dealers that have been setting 550 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:32,639 up at the National, you know, consecutively for years. In fact, 551 00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:37,480 I know of a couple of guys that have been doing it for over forty 552 00:40:37,559 --> 00:40:42,719 years. And those guys have have gotten older. I mean the they were 553 00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:45,039 you know, when I was a kid, they to me they were old 554 00:40:45,079 --> 00:40:50,079 and I've known them. Yeah right, yeah, so they're getting older. 555 00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:53,960 It's getting harder. Yeah, it's getting harder for them to go to the 556 00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:58,960 National. And of course this one was in Cleveland, but uh, I 557 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,440 could see where those guys would want to, you know, farm out their 558 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,119 table so they can keep their table, you can keep that street going. 559 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,599 And I'm sure, well there's a lot of there's also just a lot of 560 00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:14,679 people that get those tables, you know, the way they make you buy 561 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,440 them, you know, and if you want a decent sized area, you 562 00:41:17,519 --> 00:41:22,599 got to buy a big area. And it's just if it's too much for 563 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:27,199 you. I see no problem, especially with the overhead that some of these 564 00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:30,920 people have to bring in computers and having to pay for the internet there, 565 00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,280 which is one hundreds of dollars, you know. I mean, there's so 566 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:37,920 many other expenses outside of the table just to run the show in general. 567 00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:43,599 Recouping some of that to let a guy throw a display case up is nothing 568 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:49,519 in my opinion. Now, if you're just buying the table and then subletting 569 00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,039 it out to ten different people and letting them all set up, I think 570 00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:58,519 that's completely different. But you know, if you're working the show, have 571 00:41:58,639 --> 00:42:01,519 a little extra room and someone wants, like Rich said, and let's say 572 00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:06,000 I want to throw a display down for a couple of days, you know 573 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:12,599 that I see nothing wrong. But whatever. But you know, something else 574 00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:16,519 that's going going on along with this is this year, from what I understand, 575 00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:21,599 they're limiting the amount of dealer passes that these dealers can have too, 576 00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:27,480 So they are they are trying to help them work the table. They have 577 00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:30,360 to pay extra for those, they don't get those, and they're limiting the 578 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,199 amount. So I don't think you can get more than maybe two per table. 579 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,559 It's on a I know that for a fact. It's on a per 580 00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:45,199 table basis I don't know the exact number, but at how many tables you 581 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,519 have if you have like a full island like type area, and you do 582 00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:52,800 get more, but it is based and there is a limit, and you 583 00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,960 do have to pay more for extra. Yeah, it's I think that's going 584 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,760 on your perstructure and that's ridiculously stupid. I totally agree with that as well. 585 00:43:02,559 --> 00:43:06,599 Again, you should now if you have one or two tables, you 586 00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:09,800 shouldn't be able to get fifteen badges, but if you've gotten an island, 587 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:14,760 you should be able to have ten to twelve people, so people can have 588 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,480 breaks, so people can work on certain days, you know, so people 589 00:43:17,519 --> 00:43:22,920 can have a little bit of a fricking rest, Like I mean, it 590 00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:30,159 doesn't it doesn't matter to them because they're inside the booth. It's not like 591 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:35,719 they're cluttering up the floor. They're literally working in a booth. So I 592 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,039 mean limiting the dealer passes, that's just another way for them to put some 593 00:43:39,199 --> 00:43:43,880 extra money in their pocket. Which we knew this was going to happen when 594 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,639 the change came over. We knew there'd be little little modern eyes, little 595 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:52,199 changes where you get a fee in every chance you get. And as I 596 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:57,599 said, it's just an endurance contest nowadays, and that's why you know, 597 00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:00,800 I'm getting to the age I you know, I help is something I'd appreciate, 598 00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:05,519 even if it's just going to the freaking bathroom. I now lunch. 599 00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:08,159 I mean, you know, last year at the National it probably would have 600 00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:12,559 taken you twenty minutes to go to the concession counter and back. Yees, 601 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:15,559 So it's now. I will say, I do want to say one thing 602 00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:20,039 that seventies Card Show just brought it up. Dealer passes are massively abused. 603 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,119 I will one hundred percent agree with you on that. I know countless people 604 00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:28,400 that sneak in every single year with dealer passes and then just take it right 605 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,320 back off and give it right back to the dealer. I see it happen 606 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:35,000 all the time. We don't do it at our boost, but that there's 607 00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:40,599 been I've seen it done with hundreds of different people all the time. The 608 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:47,679 dealer passes definitely are abused, but have a better safeguard in place than the 609 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,920 lanyard, you know what I mean. There's no reason to have to charge 610 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:57,719 people seventy five dollars for more, you know, but it is what it 611 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,559 is. I do agree that dealer passes are are abused, However, have 612 00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:05,599 I and I think that's what I'm pointing out. It's it is a tough 613 00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:09,760 thing. But that's why I also say it's somewhat unenforceable because what is going 614 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,239 what is what is your what is your red line? So to speak? 615 00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:19,360 At what point do you go between helping somebody and you're abusing it? I 616 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,079 mean, and there were people who would always pay. You'd always see on 617 00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:27,519 net fifty four and I'm sure on the other chatboards as well. Can you 618 00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:30,320 buy you know, can I come in and I'll pay you money for a 619 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,400 Tuesday pass? Yeah, you get the Tuesday pass because then you have first 620 00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,840 stuff at the room. You know it is. And to answer card Hunter's 621 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,039 question, and we'll go back to that in a second, Yes there are 622 00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:47,239 bad promoters, Yes there are. They really are vot there any promoters. 623 00:45:47,679 --> 00:45:53,159 They're promoters that will steal your money, make you try and pay twice trying 624 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:59,199 strong army. There's some terrible, terrible promoters. John Keating. Remember I'm 625 00:45:59,199 --> 00:46:04,639 one hundred and one already, so rich. I'm going to forward you my 626 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,280 adult diaper solutions emails because I get so I bet, Hey, what have 627 00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,199 people follow this chat? I bet your Facebook will send me the ads for 628 00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,559 it. But by the way, I did notice that in the chat a 629 00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:21,719 couple of things. My wife called me. Actually two of our nieces have 630 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,400 had we can't talk about a public other than say they both had really good 631 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:29,599 news hit in the last forty eight hours. So that that to me was 632 00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:32,280 a wonderful phone call to get in. So sorry I left the show, 633 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:37,960 but that's good news problem and Rex, our prayers are with you. I 634 00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:42,960 saw the note about your father and I and I know that it's an easy 635 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,360 situation. Yes, our prayers are with you for sure. So yeah, 636 00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:51,280 it's far to keep with going with the National here. Also, they announced, 637 00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,320 I think it was yesterday that they're going to have Trade Night, and 638 00:46:54,079 --> 00:46:58,039 not only are they going to have trade Night, but they are going to 639 00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:00,599 have three Trade Night. I don't know if you guys saw that. Yeah, 640 00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:06,199 yes, I think that's a great move. I mean, Mike Burke 641 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,480 is always used to say, I want to have a twenty four hour show 642 00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:15,559 with the National. He wanted the National to go basically all night. And 643 00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:22,119 I'll be sure plausible those clothing conventions do the National should Yeah, Yeah, 644 00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:24,280 because you're you're adding on the twenty fourth, twenty fifth, or was it 645 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:28,599 the twenty fifth, twenty sixth, twenty seventh, they're adding five more hours 646 00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:31,159 to the show, basically six pm to eleven pm, and not only that, 647 00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:36,800 looks they're going to have special hosts, brand experiences, live breaks, 648 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:43,079 exclusive drops, education, entertainment, and way more so It's not just a 649 00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:45,840 trade night. They're going to be having a lot of other things going on 650 00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,079 at the same time. So what you guys thought on that, I will 651 00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:52,480 I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Logan. We were in the same hotel, 652 00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:58,119 if I remember last year, Yes, and there was it was enough away 653 00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:00,840 from the main drag. They weren't going to shut it down. Wasn't there 654 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:02,519 trade night every night? Wasn't there a trade night every night? And aren't 655 00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:06,920 going on every night? Yes? And I think that was that was true 656 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,440 with all the different hotels around they tried to shut down some of the trade 657 00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:15,119 nights near the show was far enough a way they didn't bother to shut it 658 00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:16,960 down. Yeah, I don't know how you can do that. I don't 659 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:22,400 know. I don't know unless it's something in a hotel policy. This way, 660 00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:29,280 at least you have a coordinated event on site, and so it may 661 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,800 be more money, it may be more this, but at least it's something 662 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,440 on site. So you're keeping the people on your site long, you know, 663 00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:42,559 on your premises longer. So that's a positive for them. I mean, 664 00:48:42,639 --> 00:48:45,840 I would love to see them do something like that in Chicago. They 665 00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,800 got plenty of room to do that in Chicago. Yeah, you can use 666 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:55,480 a different they do, and I think it's I mean, it's brilliant on 667 00:48:55,599 --> 00:49:01,039 their part because there was already gonna if they didn't do it, then some 668 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:07,440 company was going to take advantage and get all the publicity and all the promotion 669 00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:12,400 and make some massive trade night those nights anyway, So you might as well 670 00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:19,039 keep it under the national umbrella if you're the national, and make it even 671 00:49:19,119 --> 00:49:22,760 bigger and better. I did see in the comments. Wait till they start 672 00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:27,480 charging for it separately. That's the thing. You better not start charging for 673 00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:30,440 a trade night, because if you do, I guarantee you no one's coming. 674 00:49:30,519 --> 00:49:34,800 They will revolt, go right to a hotel and do it anyway. 675 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,639 I'm going to be curious to see if other trade nights try and compete with 676 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:45,480 the Nationals trade night, because a lot of the ones in the hotels and 677 00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:50,679 stuff for a lot of fun sometimes for the people that go. I go 678 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,840 out and see them. I don't really participate in trade nights much, but 679 00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:59,119 people go wild in those things. And I don't know if the National is 680 00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:02,480 going to really let some of the stuff that people are used to fly, 681 00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,599 and so I could see people trying to compete with them, but I think 682 00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:13,039 it's a brilliant move on their part because people are going to do it anyway, 683 00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:15,679 so you might as well keep it under the National umbrella. Right. 684 00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:19,320 And one of the things about the Dallas card Show is one of things I 685 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,440 don't like, and this is nothing they can control. We're talking about charging. 686 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:28,360 There are people that come to Trade Night. They don't have to pay 687 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,599 for parking if they come for Trade Night. They don't have to pay a 688 00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:34,280 show admission if they come for Trade Night. Yeah, and that's taking money 689 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:38,440 out of Kyle Robertson in this team's pocket. And yeah, and if you're 690 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:43,400 paying for the show, then how come the people coming for Trade Night Because 691 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,639 a lot of the vendors in what they call the Starlight Room, Yes, 692 00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:49,760 they're paying to be there because that's where Trade Night you know most of that. 693 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,000 So in other words, people are getting to see a good, good, 694 00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:54,360 a decent amount of the show and not having to pay for it. 695 00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:00,840 So I do have some slight objection to not paying for it based on what 696 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,599 I see in Dallas, because those people know, why should I? Why 697 00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:07,920 should I pay to go to the show and pay for parking when I can 698 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,559 go to trade Night and not have to pay for any of that. I 699 00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:15,320 may not see as much as that, but I'll see other things, and 700 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:17,199 that's taking money out of their promoter's pocket. So I'm looking at it from 701 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,800 that. By the way, Dallas Card Show is doing fine financially, so 702 00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,880 don't get me wrong on that. Yes there, but it's it's still to 703 00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,480 me that's taking money out of their pocket, and I don't know if that's 704 00:51:29,519 --> 00:51:37,920 morally right either from the people that Yeah, do you think that maybe you'll 705 00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:43,320 have to have a credential for the actual daytime show to get into the trade 706 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,559 night You think maybe that that may be a possibility at least that way, 707 00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,079 you'll probably have to have a ticket of some sort, I mean, make 708 00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:54,760 you buy a day ticket and then if you want to stay for Trade night, 709 00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:59,480 that's fine at least you've you've paid something, and then the other question 710 00:51:59,519 --> 00:52:01,800 is do you want it still charge people that come at six o'clock at night. 711 00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:06,840 I don't have a problem with that. Either they're coming into your building. 712 00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:09,639 If they're coming into your building, you know that you're using, you 713 00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:15,400 have a right to charge them the admission. And so does that mean you're 714 00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,039 gonna have to pay your staff extra money? I mean, these are I 715 00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:21,039 know this sounds strange to say, you know, do you have to pay 716 00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:23,679 more money for security? Then you have to do things for the main room. 717 00:52:24,119 --> 00:52:29,840 There are things you don't you may not be thinking about in terms of 718 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,960 us that may actually be costing the promoter more money, and therefore they may 719 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:38,039 have to charge something for trade night, which is which sounds counterintuitive. But 720 00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:42,400 if you know, you know, and thank you Stu for coming to my 721 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,159 synagogue show that we have Memorial Day weekend. If I had, we're not 722 00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:49,960 gonna have trade Night there. That room is not that facility is not ready 723 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,039 for it. But if I had Trade Night, then I have to have 724 00:52:53,159 --> 00:52:58,519 more things, more people, I have to pay security, more money, 725 00:52:58,599 --> 00:53:01,519 especially in a synagogue with going out with world events. I had a two 726 00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:07,400 other things and so you gotta charge you gotta charge money someway. Yeah, 727 00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:14,280 no, I agree, that's true. So uh, let's let's go ahead 728 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,760 and go I've got one more topic that I'd like to talk about real quick. 729 00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:22,880 I don't know if anyone saw yesterday Bow one million cubs. He went 730 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:28,480 to in estate sale and he found some cards there, and this is something 731 00:53:28,519 --> 00:53:32,320 that we all dream about. He he ended up finding a bunch of cards 732 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:37,719 from like the late sixties, seventies, and I think maybe even early eighties. 733 00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:40,800 Uh, and he ended up the cards were a dollar apiece and he 734 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,519 ended up buying I think he spent well over four hundred dollars, maybe close 735 00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:50,440 to five hundred dollars in cards, and he picked up some amazing things. 736 00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,320 Uh. Here, here's a picture of it right here. He said that 737 00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:58,519 there were I think maybe four or five other people that were you know, 738 00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,400 that went in there right when it up too right when he went in there. 739 00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:05,360 But he picked up some amazing things. He showed everybody, uh, 740 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:08,880 yesterday on his I think it was on Twitter, some of the things that 741 00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,679 he had picked up. And one of the things he picked up was this 742 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:16,239 card right here. That's incredible. Oh wow, look look at that that 743 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:20,719 that card is an absent. I'm blind. I haven't seen any of this 744 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,920 yet. That that's insane. Yeah, that is absolutely insane. He got 745 00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:29,639 that a'bsolutely incredible. So so what do you what do you guys think about 746 00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:32,119 that? I mean, I know that I dream about finding something like that 747 00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:36,280 at a yard sale or in a state sale somewhere. I have never in 748 00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,800 my life, and I've been to a bunch of yards I mean too never 749 00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,719 fit. That's why we do it, you know, That's why we do 750 00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:49,239 it, for this drilling, the chase and to ultimately even if we don't 751 00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:52,480 end up hitting the lotto like that, you know, like, I mean, 752 00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:55,920 just look at that collection. I can see just looking at that stack, 753 00:54:57,039 --> 00:55:01,039 I can see eight to ten cards that are insanely valuable. Like I 754 00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:07,760 mean, that's why we do it so well. And to be honest, 755 00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,079 there's nothing morally wrong with what he did. It was you know, this 756 00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:15,199 this is you know, you know sometimes they set a price. They did 757 00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:20,519 not think of getting somebody who knew cards to to look and help them. 758 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,920 And so it's fair game for whoever came in. And I followed him. 759 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,440 The last couple I followed bow anyway, But the last couple of days all 760 00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:35,320 the story and he found out about this because something happened in that hometown with 761 00:55:35,679 --> 00:55:39,679 a graduation. And then then he was scouting around and looking and said, 762 00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:45,039 oh, there's an estate sale to go to. Oh and this looks interesting. 763 00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:49,880 And he drove a Friday and was one of the four people, and 764 00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:54,119 the he got and you know, he didn't buy everything good. Other people 765 00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:59,800 got good stuff too, but he got a lot of really good stuff. 766 00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:04,679 And as I said, it was a legitimate. This wasn't like he went 767 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:09,119 to the garage sale and he calmed them out of anything they said. And 768 00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:15,199 so there's nothing morally wrong with that. Now it is time, like hard 769 00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:20,800 owner said, it is time to get that stuff authenticated. But you know, 770 00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:25,239 I think I'm pretty sure they're gonna do that. They're on the way 771 00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:30,599 to quite a bit of those and the and the patent are on their way 772 00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:34,920 to p s A in the very near future. Yeah. And BeO also 773 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,920 knows this stuff very well. So he did miss seventy two football high numbers. 774 00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:43,480 I was teasing him about that in his chat this morning. Yeah yeah, 775 00:56:43,519 --> 00:56:50,440 well yeah numbers two. Yeah, amazing, fine, amazing, Fine, 776 00:56:50,519 --> 00:56:55,280 that's for sure, and one I hope a fine one day. Everywhere 777 00:56:55,519 --> 00:57:00,440 it looked like an original collection. This did not look like, oh yeah, 778 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,400 this this. You should not be selling fake items at any at any 779 00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:09,440 time unless you specifically mention it's fake. Well, yeah, like an original 780 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:15,159 collection. So I wouldn't be worried about trimming on something like this. No, 781 00:57:15,079 --> 00:57:17,440 no, I would not be worried about it either. And you can 782 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,199 tell. You can see all the rubber bands. These cards had rubber bands 783 00:57:21,199 --> 00:57:22,880 around them. I mean, it's just it's just amazing. Yeah. So 784 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:29,639 you know, these were basically packaged up from when they were opened, a 785 00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:34,119 lot of them, Oh yeah, and just then just held there. That's 786 00:57:34,159 --> 00:57:37,239 amazing. Yeah. And you know, here here's the kicker. He said 787 00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:42,400 this was his very first estate sale that he had ever attended. That wild 788 00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,800 Okay, that's unfair. That is unfair. I agree with that. I've 789 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,400 been to so many. You know. In fact, I work with a 790 00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:52,760 guy. I have a friend here in town who does the state sales and 791 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,360 uh, you know, currently, since I am unemployed, I have been 792 00:57:55,400 --> 00:58:00,840 helping him on the weekends at the state sales and he he refines cards. 793 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:05,199 Usually what happens is the family sees that, oh, hey, there's baseball 794 00:58:05,239 --> 00:58:08,159 cards, let's go ahead and take those because we think they're going to be 795 00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:12,639 valuable. So you never really, they never really even show up in a 796 00:58:12,679 --> 00:58:16,599 state sales. Yeah. Well, honestly, I was un graduate, employed 797 00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:21,679 and I went to estate sales. I rarely saw cards. I've only bought 798 00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:24,599 cards into estate sales, and I did. I did fairly well. One 799 00:58:24,639 --> 00:58:29,920 time it was just a cheap five dollars out of jump wax, and the 800 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,800 other time the guy knew what he was doing. But I had a pretty 801 00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:37,920 good idea of what I was buying. And one of the things was what 802 00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:42,559 I what I did very well with was buying autograph books into state sales. 803 00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:46,400 The odds are pretty good. Those are real, especially if they're personalized to 804 00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:51,000 somebody or you know, usually you don't those are real. And I did 805 00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:54,599 very well with autographed books that I purchaed at a state sales. So I 806 00:58:54,599 --> 00:58:58,400 would look, I would just look for autograph books, and I found I 807 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,239 did very well that I got a couplet I'm back books for five dollars each. 808 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,480 That way, you can't get stopped at autos now for less than like 809 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,599 one hundred dollars each So that's the type of thing. Yeah, I will 810 00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:14,000 pick up and in state sale. Well guys, all right, you guys 811 00:59:14,039 --> 00:59:20,400 continue, Well, yeah, we're quick time, but I think it's I 812 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,519 need to get going with my day two. Yes, yes, yeah. 813 00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:27,519 So with that, i'd like to thank everybody for spending their Saturday morning with 814 00:59:27,639 --> 00:59:31,159 us. I appreciate that, and we all do next week on Hobby Hotline. 815 00:59:31,199 --> 00:59:34,960 It's gonna be We're gonna be on Hobby paloozas, so there's gonna be 816 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,199 a potpourri of hosts, so watch for that. Also, I think it 817 00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:44,119 starts at ten a m. Eastern, so an hour early, so if 818 00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:45,760 you guys are looking for us, it's gonna be an hour early, so 819 00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:51,639 don't don't oversleep. So Happy Father's Day to all the dads out there. 820 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:57,880 Thanks Rich, Thanks Drew. I appreciate you guys, and uh we will 821 00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:02,000 see you guys next week. Yes, yeah, I have a good one. 822 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:08,599 Happy Father's Day, guys, and now we exit outro kit. The outro