All right, good morning everybody, and welcome hobby friends. Welcome to Hobby
Hotline. This is episode three oh four of Hobby Hotline. I'm your host,
Logan Ward, and with me today is from let Me get that potograph.
Mister Drew Herndon, Hey Drew, how you doing? What's going on?
Man? Good to be here, good to be back. Yep,
glad to see you. And the man who needs no introduction and who is
the han solo of the hobby Yes, mister mister uncle Rich Klinb. How
are you doing right? I see I type out uncle and I'm unlsee so
and uh, happy belated birthday, Rich, thank you. We went to
the Frisco Rough Riders game and it was an afternoon game. Game was over
real quickly. It's much better, and how even the minor league games are
so much better with the pitch clock and all the stuff, and with my
wife's past medical history. The funny it's funny now, but for a few
minutes it wasn't so funny. The game ended at two thirty seven, but
her blood shirt because it got so hot and she didn't hydrate enough. Her
blood sugar was two thirty eight. And I go too she goes to thirty
eight. I go, that's not so bad. I thought they were just
talking about the time. She goes, no, that's my blood sugar.
It turned out the time was within a minute of her blood sugar. It's
like, by the time we got home, her blood sugar was back to
one seventy one seventy one air conditioning liquid and it was normal. But it's
a good listen if you have blood sugar issues and it's hot outside, keep
it drated. But it was great going to the game. We got free
tickets. Actually, we were standing online to buy tickets. Somebody goes to
me, Oh, you must be over fifty five, and will you fill
out this card for this senior healthcare type of place. Sure, okay,
here are two free tickets. Okay, that makes life a lot easier.
Hey, take it many. I took it very happily and sat by the
bullpen and I got to explain how you could see how the roles of bullpen
were doing. And it was fascinating watching how. And I said, in
the minor leagues they do it more truly by pitch count, and they don't
really want the starting pitcher to go let's say more than ninety pitches and then
they have rolls. And yes, they want to win the games, but
they also wanted to develop players for the major So it was fascinating to see
how they were developing pictures to the majors. And speaking of pitch major,
Logan is going to bring up our first topic because it really involves the major
leagues. Yeah, real quick, I do want to say happy birthday to
Rich. He is one and one years old. Yes, one hundred and
one, go Rich. Yeah, I like that one. Yeah, I
thought i'd spring that one on you guys. Yeah, So a lot to
talk about today. We've got a we've got a whiz bang show for y'all.
But the first thing that I'd like to talk about would be uh Series
two Tops Baseball that came out this Ust. So some pretty cool stuff.
What do you like about it? Drew oh Man? I you know,
all right? So the design. First of all, everyone who has listened
to any of my shows knows I really hated the design when it first came
out. The design's actually growing on me a little bit. I still wish
they didn't use twenty fonts on the front, but you know, too little,
too late. The designs growing on me a lot, and what they
did in Series two I thought was brilliant. They series two outside of a
couple of years, there's always exceptions, but outside of a couple of years,
it's normally Series one and an update. Series two. A lot of
times gets it's an afterthought with maybe a rookie in there too, but not
as many as one or update, because they seem to be holding players back
a lot to put them in those two sets. This year they they realized
they were going to have a strong rookie class. But what they've done with
the fun face air with the holiday, which is absolutely brilliant. I think
that that's just absolutely genius. I don't know if he I want to know
the story behind it. If he wrote it on his bat as a joke
to them and then they decided to make airs or was this all planned from
the beginning to pay homage to a Fleer card, which I think is crazy
that are paying homage to a Fleer card. But I love all of the
different variations they did on that. I love the fact that they did the
women in Baseball set, which we'll touch on in a minute, and I
also love the uh the inclusion of the Wemby Stroud Duels, the fact that
they limited those to eleven, and then I like that they put in you
know, Wemby and CJ Stroud autos as well. Of course, you got
to hope you actually get your sticker on your DJ Stroud autograph, as they
messed a couple of those up, it looks like. But I love what
they did. I love the unannounced parallels. I think it's it's one of
the best Series two releases I found in a long time. I just hope
they don't jack the box prices up and make it not a flagship type of
price anymore, well Drew when it comes to the price point, won't that
at some point actually be decided by the consumer because and and That's where I'm
hoping people just eventually let it stay. I mean, well, Fanatics is
gonna put it out there no matter what for breakers and everything, so I
mean breakers are going to break it at one level, and then hopefully people
still treat it like it is flagship. But I do love what they've added
in. I mean they added into Golden Mirrors last year, they're back this
year. No bounty on them this year, of course, but just those
cards in general. I think I love what they're doing with the flagship brand.
And you know there's the unannounced parallels, the different the throwbacks to the
f face card. I love it. I think it's brilliant. They just
got to get a lot better when it comes to you know, it's nice
to watch them say on the back of the card that representative watched them sign
the card. Let's have a rep actually watch them put the sticker on the
card. But you know, well, well, I without getting into that
learning. You know, they owe the printing presses now and they're still learning.
And you know, I've once suggested that you actually do something the old
school way, just like a doctor does with a surgery or an airplane pilot
does with when and they have a checklist, and you have a it could
be handwritten, it could be you printed out, and every time you do
something, you check it off and it's okay, everything's been done. That
may save some of these production We seem to have a production area error in
every set. And I think that's still a little bit of the inexperience of
the people running the production press. Because the people at GCI, they've been
doing it for twenty five thirty years. Oh yeah, And you don't just
step in and do something. And I know this from experience. I know
this from my Becket days. I know this from my comm Sea days.
And even though you don't have some you don't throw something into the deep water
in the job I did Becket or I'm doing a com see without some training
and without some ways to doing it. So I think a little that will
help. But Drew, I think you hit on a really good point.
Series two has always been treated as the redheaded step child they're doing. It's
great that they are adding innovations to series to good innovations. There's anticipation for
Series two. They're never is Yeah, they're never. I know, I'm
you know, I'm thinking, hey, maybe I need to go to Walmart
or Targe today and buy a buy a blaster box, just to have some
fun. I probably Walmart. As soon as the show's over, We're headed
to Walmart. If they have any, I know I'm gonna grab some just
because so real quick. You know, you're talking about the Jackson Holliday card
and the fun face and all that. I heard that they're going to have
a black box variation. Have you guys heard about that? Yeah, apparently
they did. From my understanding, they did every variation that he has because
they have the saw cut out die cut, they've got the white they've got
the white box, they've got the scribble. Apparently there's going to be a
black box too. For my understanding, they did every variation that is on
the original card. My question really that I want to know to you guys
is are you surprised that Tops did such a you know, an homage paid
homage to a Fleer card? Because Tops has such a rich history, they
could have found any other card. It wouldn't have been as funny, I
don't think, but they could have found any card they wanted really and done
some iconic throwback the Randy g Well, that'd be upper Deck, you know,
but any Tops card that's known with an air. But having them do
a Fleer card's kind of interesting considering you know, people will associate Fleer with
Skybox and Skyboxes with upper Deck. It's kind of weird to see Tops,
you know doing that. Yeah, that type of air I love it,
but it's a little oyd. What do you guys think? Well, I
will say this, you know, I have heard that they're going to have
like a rainbow kind of deal for the Jackson Halliday card. In fact,
I've got some pictures of it. Check it out. They're going to have
some black box. They're gonna have a red, orange, yellow, green,
oh wow, and purple box. And then there's there's one with the
Fanatics logo on there. And uh, if you pull that one, I
think you get a ride in Michael Rubin's limo. Is Michael Rubin in the
limo? Or do I get to just take it and go have fun?
So yeah, collect the rainbow. That's crazy, okay, because see I
saw the scribbled out versions and stuff like that, but I did not see
the chase the rainbow skittles, uh design on the on the bat knives and
I and that's a great comment. Fleers isn't really even Fleer isn't really a
card company today, you know, So what's wrong with We've always paid homage
to back in the day cards. I mean, I remember in nineteen ninety
one when Fleir did some set oh, and we started looking at it.
Oh, that's like that looks like some set from nineteen eleven. So it
was one of the insert sets and it had so you always pay homage to
things that may not be Tops or Fleer or Donna, So what's why agree.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I completely agree with you.
I'm just surprised to see Top to do it because normally they pay homage
to cards of their own in the past, and they have so many iconic
cards of their own. It's just interesting that they went this route, in
my opinion, just because they normally like to celebrate their own history. Because
take a pick, there's thousands that they could choose from, you know,
I mean, I mean Jack as Couter pointing out T two O six to
T two five. You know, they haven't always just done Tops, so
Fleer is not a competitor right now, I agree, I agree why.
I thought it was interesting. I just thought it was interesting to see a
Fleer card being done as opposed to any of the various Tops cards they could
oppose to the guy with a surfboard like the eighty eight Tim Flannery card,
or the snake like the eighty four Glen Hubbard card, or was it Catcher
with a big hat? I mean, I think they've done other cards with
big hats, but I think that's nothing wrong with using cool cards. From
from the past, sixty three Fleer when Tops didn't have Morey Wolves under contract.
The sixty three Morey Wolves has in the lower left corner sixty two National
League MVP. Isn't that cool to put on the corner of a card for
whoever wins the MVP in the National League or American League or Cy young Is.
You don't even have to do an honor, You just put that on
the card. Yeah, No, I love it. Yeah. Cooter is
talking about the same thing we're talking about. He says two two of six
is were produced by Top yet the Youth design. They saw the marketing opportunity
and they took it. So yeah, totally. Yeah. They they found
that no one had the IP, they found that they could use the IP
and license it out and they were able to make the set. I mean,
people needs to do it all the time. Brian Gary Bryce did gouty
about fifteen years ago when they still had a baseball license. Yeah, and
I mean Brian Gray, Brian Gray is a perfect example. I don't know
when he left Leaf if he gave Leaf everything that he had, but he
owns countless and IP, you know companies. That's why I brought back pro
set because he had to or he'd lose it. But you know he owns
or did own quite a few of them, so you know, there's nothing.
I wasn't saying there was anything wrong with it. It was just interesting
to me to see that card of all cards being redone this year. You
know, I get the oriole, you know, connection a little bit,
and maybe that's all it was, but you know it's just Tops normally likes
to celebrate their own history. But I love it. I think it was
a brilliant idea. I think it's a cool chase card. I think there's
way too many parallels now that I saw the chase the rainbow part, I
kind of liked it when there was just the original you know, scribbles and
stuff like that. I don't think we need all of the colors, but
hey, who knows. Can I throw a funny hobby history story at you
all go for it? Okay? When Tops announced like the T in those
days, when Tops twenty twenty two, twenty three, twenty years ago,
when Tops was doing Tops T twelve six, the Tops T Towal five and
Tops Cracker Jacket, They're leading purchaser of those those original cards was Kit jump
Kids started putting out buys on various networks, you know, various news groups
at the time, I'm looking for all your T twelve sixes or all your
T two o fives. So we were going. We contacted TOPS and we
said when when is Crackerjack coming out? And they said, what do you
mean your primary buyer is just putting a buy out for Crackerjack cards that said
is coming? Uh. We sped up there half there. We sped up
when I was back at the official release of when Tops was announcing their thing
by we screw up. We screwed up their entire publicity campaign because we were
able to say, you're going to do it, you might as well announce
it now because otherwise we'll do it for you. And it was journalism.
It wasn't like, hey, you know he's buying the cards. You know
he's the buyer for TOPS. You know. It doesn't Hey, this is
not investigative journalism. This is no click Okay, Oops, okay, yeah,
we're okay. Yeah. So a lot of cool stuff was Series two.
I do want to hear what they do say about those CJ. Strouds,
as I've seen countless of them now without the autograph on it. I
hope Tops comes out and does something for those people. Seems like they've been
doing a good job lately of fixing mistakes. There's been a lot of them
to fix, but they've done a good job of fixing those mistakes. So
hopefully they fix these. But uh, Series two looking like a lot of
fun for ones at least. Hey, I'm all in. I'm all in
to at least get a blaster box at some point. Same here, maybe
a hanger, hangers or bangers. Yes, yeah, that's what the kids
say. So also within series two, we've got the women in baseball.
Yes, so I think that's really awesome what they've done there. And here's
here's a picture. It's a it's a five card subset. So what do
you think about that? Rich where your thought? Hey, remember Tops wants
to tenxt the hobby, and you know you don't do ten X by going
from zero to one hundred in three zo point two seconds. Yeah, women
are fifty one percent of the world's population or fifty two or it's more than
fifty percent. Anything that can help get more women buying cards, I'm all
in favor of. You know, we've had women in the past on our
hobby hoop line, and I think Erica may still be with us. And
so I'm a big fan of having more women collectors period, and if this
is an impetus to get more women collectors, let's go for it. Yeah.
So also, you know, just from being at two shows in the
last last weekend in Indy and in Detroit, there were a lot of women
collectors there that were there by themselves, that were not there with their boyfriend
that was there collecting or things like that. There were a lot of people
there that were genuinely collecting that we're submitting cards to psaight or regiment booths.
Like. There's a lot more in the industry, especially online as well.
The online community's going way past just women wanting to do content creation and being
legitimate collectors that are just in rooms making trades. I just made a trade
the other day with someone who's been in the hobby maybe six months. It's
a woman, and tradement flaws was awesome. I think it's great that TOPS
is, you know, highlighting important people and important women that have had an
impact on the game in baseball, especially since they've kind of shown you now
that the new way it's going to be at least until they get the licenses,
all the licenses and own everything. They're going to mix different stuff in
as much as they can. They're not afraid to throw other sports, other
things, just other subsets, whatever they want into these sets. And so
I think Series two is a perfect spot to throw these in. I think
it's better than throwing it in something like Big League. I like seeing it
in series two. I think it's great. You know, we'll see how
it goes on the secondary market and things like that. But a great choice
for the first five and we'll see if if they keep it going, I
think they should. I will also point out that are I'm gonna call it
our sister publication, Hobby News Daily. We have several lady writers and they're
all really and they're all really good, phenomenal. There's some phenomenal articles up
by those ladies. One. Yeah, so, I mean it was great
reading about the Dallas card show from I did not know her, but from
a young lady's perspective that I had never did. I don't remember because I
don't know everybody in the main room, even though I like to think I
do. Yeah, you so real quick, I did a little bit of
digging to find out more about these women. Real quick, listen, I
think it's Nickan or Nickin. She is the very first ever full female full
time coach in the Major League Baseball and she is an assistant coach for the
San Francisco Giants, So that's neat. And Veronica Alvarez is the USA Women's
Baseball national team manager and she's the newly appointed Girls Baseball Ambassador for the Major
League Baseball. And Jessica Mendoza Uh, she is a Team USA Softball olympian
and ESPN reporter who became the first female analyst for nationally televised Major League Baseball
games. Uh. And Rachel Folding she is the Chicago Cubs hitting coordinator.
That's pretty neat right there. I like that. And Ronnie Gajownik is a
high a manager for the Hillsboro Hops. So that's what all these ladies are
doing right now. Very nice. I got a special guest here who wants
to say, Hi, cameras right there? So much? What's up?
Not much? I wanted to show them my new edit. I didn't show
it. That's fine, right, you definitely want to se that. But
yeah, that's a damn. Oh wow, hey you goof bah? All
right, so that's my son. Everybody, Well it is Father's Day weekend,
so yeah it is. That's a great transition. I know we didn't
plan it, but I think i'd love to see in the chats to some
of the comments about about you know what, what if anything your father did
to help you with your collecting or other things like that, yeah, or
what you're what you're doing with your children for sure, so you look with
your children? Yes, yeah I can. I can start off real quick
with that. My influence with my dad in collecting. He actually took me
to Woolworths to buy my very first packs of baseball cards in nineteen seventy one.
I can still remember it. I had a quarter and went into wool
Wars He's we were at. We were out doing errands, and uh,
the kids next door had started collecting cards and I asked my dad said,
can we stop at wool worst I'd like to see if they have baseball cards
and I can buy them. So I went in there, got me a
couple of packs because it said ten cents on the box. I got up
to the checkout and the lady only charged me and Nickel of packs. I
went back and got a couple more packs and ended up with like four packs
of baseball cards for a quarter. So that was that was my very first,
uh you know pack you experience with my dad. And and I once
wrote when my dad passed, and because I was still at Becket at the
time, and I wrote about him in terms of we would go occasionally to
the stores, you know, the card stores they were actually card stores by
the seventies, and we go and I was writing the errors in Variation column
and they had found the forty nine Bowman Johnny meis variations for me. They
knew I like stuff like that, so they put that away from me.
And it was just fun because I use that as a as a way to
write the article. Just one of the many ways he influenced how I collect
and how I do things. And he'd be with me at the shows,
a lot of the shows in the New York area in the eighties, and
we had a lot of fun together. It was business. He had been
a vest pocket, stamp and coin dealer, or what we would call a
weekend warrior way back in the day, with stamps and coins and a lot
of what I learned. I learned from him in terms of how to deal
with people, how to have fun and don't take you know, and don't
take it so seriously. It's money, but guess what, you should also
have fun with it. No, yeah, I completely agree. Well,
you know, it's kind of twofold with me right now. Luckily my dad's
still with me and everything. And my dad was very influential in my card
collecting growing up. I remember my parents were always divorced, so I was
always going back from whether it was Mississippi or Florida, to North Carolina to
visit him. And every time we'd go, we'd go to the mall,
which had an awesome card shop in it. And that's really where I got
my introduction into cards when I was a little kid, and that ended up
being the only place I wanted to go when I came into town. Luckily,
we live in a small town, so there wasn't much else to go
to anyway, but there was a card shop here and that's really, you
know, that's really what got me started throughout it. And he was always
very supportive of it, and he was a collector himself, not in a
big way, but you know, a decent amount. And now with Jude,
he's you know, sports cards not so much yet, but Pokemon cards,
and he's real big into autographs. We go to a lot of minor
league games and things like that. Hickory Crawdads, I think all know him
by name, so you know, I kind of try and pass that down
and bring him into the world of the hobby. And he seems to love
it with Pokemon and all his friends and everything like that. But it's also
taught him a lot about you know, he's trading, he's learning the stuff
I do in the business. He's wanting to go work collector cons with me
next year when I think he's finally old enough, you know. And I
think it's wonderful to see the younger generation and how passionate they are about the
hobby, because they really are. There's a really strong, you know,
youth movement towards the hobby. When people find out that, you know,
I work in the hobby and things like that, it's always to them like
the coolest thing in the world. They love it. They think it's amazing.
So you know, that's kind of my thing. But my dad and
going to the mall to the card shop in the mall. Don't remember what
it was called, was just a random place in the mall, but that's
what I remember, buying hockey singles with my dad. True, not to
I know we're talking about our parents, but I know your mom's been having
some health issues over the year, and you mentioned your mom. How is
how is she? And I don't get to talk to you offer them how
is she doing? She's hanging in there. For those that don't watch a
show or anything, it's no secret anything, but my mom does have ALS
and it's it's progressing pretty rapidly, but she's she's hanging in there. She's
a fighter, but she's still doing Okay. Uh, it comes in spurts.
It'll be fine for a long time, and then a lot of things
will go bad, you know, quickly, and then it'll kind of ease
off. But you know, luckily she's still there as the same person and
everything just a little different. But she's hanging in there. She's doing well.
Thank you for asking. By the way. Well, the sad thing
with ALS is your mind never leaves you. You're still yeah, yeah,
I mean your body feels that your mind stays sharp and so at least you
know you have that, and it's great. By the way, some of
these stories are great in the chat about their fathers. Yeah, yeah,
I know. This is one that I could really connect to right here,
Mike Petty says. My dad told me I was ft in the head when
I said seventy five dollars to Larry Fritz for a nineteen fifty two tops Mickey
Manel in nineteen seventy four. He was right. Larry ripped me off and
sent me three other cards in a twenty five dollars credit. I have a
very similar story to that. This was nineteen seventy nine and a dealer friend
of mine here in town bought a collection and there was a fifty two Maniel
in there and I wanted it. He told me it was fifteen hundred dollars.
And keep in mind, this is nineteen seventy nine, fifteen hundred dollars,
and I'm making like two dollars an hour working at big store grocery store.
So I told my dad, I said I was going to buy this
car for fifteen hundred dollars, and he told me that I was absolutely out
of my mind for spending that kind of money on a baseball card. What
is wrong with you? Son? So I ended up saving the money.
That's a long story I won't get into. But I got the card.
I sold it, I think like eight years later for six thousand dollars.
And you use that as a down payment on my very first house. I
still wish I had the card now though. Hey, look it was a
down payment on your house. He said, it was your first house.
Yes, still you made money with the house. It served a very good
purpose. Yeah, exactly Like I like Mooki's comment to here. My dad
paid me two dollars an hour to wash dishes at his restaurant and let me
waste wasted on nineteen eighty seven, watch track, I thinks from the New
York area, Mooki, what restaurant was your dad's? Yeah? And I
mean and by the way, I saw a Rex posted thank you for putting
us up on the big screen at both your stores. We appreciate YEA.
By the way, Rex's kids are both actively involved in the hobby, and
that's great. He's creating a success from plan if they both want to come
into it. He's got a secession plan. One kid can do one store
and the other kid can do the other store there you go, Yeah,
they don't. You don't have to fight over anything, perfect exactly. Yeah,
just location. And I love this story about the kids going around the
Denver Card Shows. Yeah, John and them who have They've got a show
coming up next weekend. By the way, next weekend Denver Card Shows has
a show, uh, really great show at the Delta Thornton. So definitely
go check that out if you're in Denver area. And I mean, but
it's a true story. I know at the National there are there there used
to be some kids that would go around and discuss and they would they would
have their they'd have paper towels and they'd have the thing and they clean showcase
for a dollar. And it doesn't sound like a lot, but if they're
bringing home a few hundred dollars at the end of the day, that gives
them really play with Yes easy. By the way, speaking of let's let's
I know we're hopscotching and I know we should have had let Logan do it,
but I know we want the touch of Pavis. Anyway, let's talk
about a couple of things with the National. Well, well, hold on,
rich, hold on, rich, I've got I've got a couple more
little stories. I've got to tell you guys real quick. First of all,
you know my son, my son is a collector now as well because
I'm I'm sure that I influenced him, uh when he was born. Of
course, I'm a Nascar fan. I put a diecast Nascar car in his
little crib. So anyway, he's become a collector. He he goes to
the National with me every year. In fact, there he is. For
those of you who don't know who he is, that that's my son Tyler.
And he's known as Tyler sports Guy on Instagram, so I don't know
if you're following him or not. He has a lot of funny stuff.
Uh, he kind of goes out there a little bit. But uh,
he's a collector. He collects football cars. He loves Nascar, but his
passion to collect his football cars, especially Hall of famers. So you know,
it's fun to go to the National and be with him. Uh.
And and I really really loved that. And then Tyler is awesome. I
loved Tyler. And one more story, rich you and you reminded me of
it just a second ago. When I was a kid, my dad worked
for Nesley's. So you know, we had all kinds of chocolate, you
know, all the time, free samples and everything. He would get me
free samples that I could take to school and that I could sell, and
I would take those candy bars and I would sell them for a nickel apiece
or six for a quarter, and I would take that money and I would
go buy baseball cards thanks to my dad. So that that was, you
know, so he kind of enabled me there. So I was, I
was doing that until the principal put the kebash on it and told me that
I was interfering with all the other you know, school functions that were going
on. People weren't spending any money except with me buying candy bars. Hey,
you were running a business. He should have been thankful that you're running
a business. Yeah. So yeah, So now if you guys are okay,
let's go talk about the national. From what I've heard, they put
the again, I'm gonna use this word, they put the cabache on allowing
dealers to either rent out or lend out their tables to other collectors and other
dealers. So I know, Rich you've got some thoughts on that. Well,
on some level, it's unenforceable. Now, if I take a table
and I don't show up, and I actually did that fifteen years ago,
where somebody gave me tables and they were not at the show, that is
that is a violation. And I would agree with throwing with taking away those
people's tables. But if I it's the National is a six day marathon.
Is a vendor Now almost every vendor comes up on Tuesday and you leave on
Sunday, and they want you to stay unless there's some really important thing till
at least three o'clock on Sunday. I can't do the National by six days
anymore. I mean I can do the Dallas card Show by myself for a
simple reason. It's ten minutes from my house. I know the rhythm.
I'm not I know who I'm dealing with. To a large extent, I
don't have that. It's not as it's hard. My wife found out when
she walked around a Dallas card show. She now says, oh, I
now know why you tell me you don't want to do anything during Dallas Card
Show weekend. He's finally seen the light and says, I'm not gonna bother
you if you tell me it's a Dallas card show weekend. Having said that,
I go up to the show. I know Drew Herndon has some really
cool modern stuff that looks great in a showcase. Drew doesn't have a place
to set up. I say, Drew, I will give you a showcase.
Share, you know, share my table with me or help you with
the table and take a showcase. Is your compensation because you're gonna pay.
You're gonna be able to pay for your whole trip by why the bling you
bring up? What is wrong with that? Now? Giving your table away
is one thing. Having somebody help you to give them a showcase. I
think you'll get eleven showcases if you do nothing with showcases. I think it's
eleven showcases of the national What is wrong with letting somebody use one showcase to
help you because you because you can't deal with the physical exhaustion of doing all
six days? Well, I mean I completely agree with you. And we
always got extra space and we always shared it with like Zion Cases, who
works real closely with our company that we work with. We always used to
basically share like a massive island. And so you know, I mean that
we would fall under that category as well, But I don't understand it because
what, Okay, so obviously those people are selling that part of the their
table or letting someone else use that part of the table because either they're not
going to be there or they don't have use for it. So what do
they want? Empty tables? Are they going to take the tables out or
other people going to get these tables or other people going to be allowed to
purchase them? Like, how what are they going to do with all this
stuff? And if they enforce it, like you said, it's going to
be very hard to enforce. But unless you make it just blatantly obvious and
post on social media that you're coming in for a day and renting out your
friend's table, you know, because the NSECC accounts do follow that stuff.
But if you don't make it egregious, I just don't see how they're going
to be able to enforce it. But I don't see any problem with it
whatsoever, because all you're doing is getting more people in there to sell stuff,
to maybe show off a new product, maybe you know, provide some
type of service that you need for your cards or whatever. It is,
like lots of different possibilities, So I see nothing wrong with it. Now
maybe in the corporate area, you say, you know, if you're in
the corporate area, it's got to be a corporate style thing. But they
already have that rule in place and they do enforce it. So I mean,
I don't get the whole taking away tables type of thing. And I'd
like to ask the chat if anyone knows anyone, because I've heard this from
multiple people, but I haven't got any confirmation on it yet that some people
are actually having their tables taking away from them already, like they've already taken
away people's tables. And if anyone knows anyone that has a table that has
been taken away, please let me know in the comments, because I'd like
to know. But yeah, I it makes no sense to me. I
don't understand it right, and I get where and I do get some of
what what this is. Yeah, it's they were people were making money,
of course, and you know that's what I'm saying. But where do you
draw the line. That's why I've brought up an example of giving you a
showcase. I don't think I'm selling you part of my table. You are
helping me. I am compensating you for helping me. That is to me,
a totally legitimate thing. It's there was Now when they kick you out
for that though, because that's a little different, well yeah, but that's
sharing a table. That's still sharing a table. It is, Yeah,
it is. And that's why I'm saying, I don't think this is really
a good enforceable rule. Now, the rule I bought what I did a
national in two thousand and eight on a friend of mine's table and they weren't
there, and I was that's enforceable. And to me that unless something happened
with a family emergency, that is something I won't disagree with that. If
the vendor or the owner of the table doesn't show up, yeah, okay
that I will give you that one. But I'm not going to give you
the one where my friend takes my friend takes two boots and he has two
friends watch helping him, and each of them get a showcase or two to
put out stuff. That's a different circumstance. In my opinion, I just
know I'm going to be pissed if I walk the floor and I see like
partial islands that are empty because they kick somebody out and no one gets to
replace them, you know, like I don't want to walk the National and
see the tables. There's enough shows where people leave early, Like that's if
people have to leave early because they can't do the whole grind, that's fine,
but there should be people that are that. People should be able to
replace those people, you know what I mean. And I don't see a
problem with people saying, hey, I can't make it, but I got
the table. Especially with the way the National does it, with the stupid
raffle auction bs, you know, like the way that table selection is done
in general, I think it's ridiculous. So I don't know, I have
no problem with it. I think it's I think it's ludicrous. But we'll
see if they even enforce it. I don't think they will too much,
like I said, unless you're just ridiculously egregious about it and really throw it
in their face. Well, to me, it's kind of like sorry to
me. There was a Dallas card show once where they wanted to try to
start enforcing no food brought in from me outside, you know, they do
self food, and there was and I saw maybe a couple of people get
stopped and everything. You know, like if I if I carry a vaalue
with a sandwich, if I if I if I stop and get a sandwich
at subway on my way to the show, and I put it into my
bag, and I get my sewed in my chips and I bring it in,
or I bring in a sandwich from home or something from home. How
do you stop me from doing that? Are you gonna Are you gonna check
every single bag? I mean you know there are And and after about two
days they realized this isn't gonna work. Let's not do this one again.
And I think you it's new people running the national. They're very good.
They're very good at promoting. So, don't get me wrong, very no,
no, don't get me wrong. But I think this is something where
I think you set the limit. Hey, if you don't show up,
yeah, but if you but if you get help at your table, we're
not going to control your help at your table. No, okay, anyway,
I've got to leave for a and i'll be back. Logan. My
wife just called, so I want to see what's up with her. All
right, I'll take you out. All right, it's the Logan and Drew
Show. What's up everybody? Yeah? Yeah, Hey, what's up for
Logan and Drew after dark. I don't know that that's trying, not anything
anyone wants to say. But uh, you know you're you're talking about these
tables. Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot of dealers that have been setting
up at the National, you know, consecutively for years. In fact,
I know of a couple of guys that have been doing it for over forty
years. And those guys have have gotten older. I mean the they were
you know, when I was a kid, they to me they were old
and I've known them. Yeah right, yeah, so they're getting older.
It's getting harder. Yeah, it's getting harder for them to go to the
National. And of course this one was in Cleveland, but uh, I
could see where those guys would want to, you know, farm out their
table so they can keep their table, you can keep that street going.
And I'm sure, well there's a lot of there's also just a lot of
people that get those tables, you know, the way they make you buy
them, you know, and if you want a decent sized area, you
got to buy a big area. And it's just if it's too much for
you. I see no problem, especially with the overhead that some of these
people have to bring in computers and having to pay for the internet there,
which is one hundreds of dollars, you know. I mean, there's so
many other expenses outside of the table just to run the show in general.
Recouping some of that to let a guy throw a display case up is nothing
in my opinion. Now, if you're just buying the table and then subletting
it out to ten different people and letting them all set up, I think
that's completely different. But you know, if you're working the show, have
a little extra room and someone wants, like Rich said, and let's say
I want to throw a display down for a couple of days, you know
that I see nothing wrong. But whatever. But you know, something else
that's going going on along with this is this year, from what I understand,
they're limiting the amount of dealer passes that these dealers can have too,
So they are they are trying to help them work the table. They have
to pay extra for those, they don't get those, and they're limiting the
amount. So I don't think you can get more than maybe two per table.
It's on a I know that for a fact. It's on a per
table basis I don't know the exact number, but at how many tables you
have if you have like a full island like type area, and you do
get more, but it is based and there is a limit, and you
do have to pay more for extra. Yeah, it's I think that's going
on your perstructure and that's ridiculously stupid. I totally agree with that as well.
Again, you should now if you have one or two tables, you
shouldn't be able to get fifteen badges, but if you've gotten an island,
you should be able to have ten to twelve people, so people can have
breaks, so people can work on certain days, you know, so people
can have a little bit of a fricking rest, Like I mean, it
doesn't it doesn't matter to them because they're inside the booth. It's not like
they're cluttering up the floor. They're literally working in a booth. So I
mean limiting the dealer passes, that's just another way for them to put some
extra money in their pocket. Which we knew this was going to happen when
the change came over. We knew there'd be little little modern eyes, little
changes where you get a fee in every chance you get. And as I
said, it's just an endurance contest nowadays, and that's why you know,
I'm getting to the age I you know, I help is something I'd appreciate,
even if it's just going to the freaking bathroom. I now lunch.
I mean, you know, last year at the National it probably would have
taken you twenty minutes to go to the concession counter and back. Yees,
So it's now. I will say, I do want to say one thing
that seventies Card Show just brought it up. Dealer passes are massively abused.
I will one hundred percent agree with you on that. I know countless people
that sneak in every single year with dealer passes and then just take it right
back off and give it right back to the dealer. I see it happen
all the time. We don't do it at our boost, but that there's
been I've seen it done with hundreds of different people all the time. The
dealer passes definitely are abused, but have a better safeguard in place than the
lanyard, you know what I mean. There's no reason to have to charge
people seventy five dollars for more, you know, but it is what it
is. I do agree that dealer passes are are abused, However, have
I and I think that's what I'm pointing out. It's it is a tough
thing. But that's why I also say it's somewhat unenforceable because what is going
what is what is your what is your red line? So to speak?
At what point do you go between helping somebody and you're abusing it? I
mean, and there were people who would always pay. You'd always see on
net fifty four and I'm sure on the other chatboards as well. Can you
buy you know, can I come in and I'll pay you money for a
Tuesday pass? Yeah, you get the Tuesday pass because then you have first
stuff at the room. You know it is. And to answer card Hunter's
question, and we'll go back to that in a second, Yes there are
bad promoters, Yes there are. They really are vot there any promoters.
They're promoters that will steal your money, make you try and pay twice trying
strong army. There's some terrible, terrible promoters. John Keating. Remember I'm
one hundred and one already, so rich. I'm going to forward you my
adult diaper solutions emails because I get so I bet, Hey, what have
people follow this chat? I bet your Facebook will send me the ads for
it. But by the way, I did notice that in the chat a
couple of things. My wife called me. Actually two of our nieces have
had we can't talk about a public other than say they both had really good
news hit in the last forty eight hours. So that that to me was
a wonderful phone call to get in. So sorry I left the show,
but that's good news problem and Rex, our prayers are with you. I
saw the note about your father and I and I know that it's an easy
situation. Yes, our prayers are with you for sure. So yeah,
it's far to keep with going with the National here. Also, they announced,
I think it was yesterday that they're going to have Trade Night, and
not only are they going to have trade Night, but they are going to
have three Trade Night. I don't know if you guys saw that. Yeah,
yes, I think that's a great move. I mean, Mike Burke
is always used to say, I want to have a twenty four hour show
with the National. He wanted the National to go basically all night. And
I'll be sure plausible those clothing conventions do the National should Yeah, Yeah,
because you're you're adding on the twenty fourth, twenty fifth, or was it
the twenty fifth, twenty sixth, twenty seventh, they're adding five more hours
to the show, basically six pm to eleven pm, and not only that,
looks they're going to have special hosts, brand experiences, live breaks,
exclusive drops, education, entertainment, and way more so It's not just a
trade night. They're going to be having a lot of other things going on
at the same time. So what you guys thought on that, I will
I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Logan. We were in the same hotel,
if I remember last year, Yes, and there was it was enough away
from the main drag. They weren't going to shut it down. Wasn't there
trade night every night? Wasn't there a trade night every night? And aren't
going on every night? Yes? And I think that was that was true
with all the different hotels around they tried to shut down some of the trade
nights near the show was far enough a way they didn't bother to shut it
down. Yeah, I don't know how you can do that. I don't
know. I don't know unless it's something in a hotel policy. This way,
at least you have a coordinated event on site, and so it may
be more money, it may be more this, but at least it's something
on site. So you're keeping the people on your site long, you know,
on your premises longer. So that's a positive for them. I mean,
I would love to see them do something like that in Chicago. They
got plenty of room to do that in Chicago. Yeah, you can use
a different they do, and I think it's I mean, it's brilliant on
their part because there was already gonna if they didn't do it, then some
company was going to take advantage and get all the publicity and all the promotion
and make some massive trade night those nights anyway, So you might as well
keep it under the national umbrella if you're the national, and make it even
bigger and better. I did see in the comments. Wait till they start
charging for it separately. That's the thing. You better not start charging for
a trade night, because if you do, I guarantee you no one's coming.
They will revolt, go right to a hotel and do it anyway.
I'm going to be curious to see if other trade nights try and compete with
the Nationals trade night, because a lot of the ones in the hotels and
stuff for a lot of fun sometimes for the people that go. I go
out and see them. I don't really participate in trade nights much, but
people go wild in those things. And I don't know if the National is
going to really let some of the stuff that people are used to fly,
and so I could see people trying to compete with them, but I think
it's a brilliant move on their part because people are going to do it anyway,
so you might as well keep it under the National umbrella. Right.
And one of the things about the Dallas card Show is one of things I
don't like, and this is nothing they can control. We're talking about charging.
There are people that come to Trade Night. They don't have to pay
for parking if they come for Trade Night. They don't have to pay a
show admission if they come for Trade Night. Yeah, and that's taking money
out of Kyle Robertson in this team's pocket. And yeah, and if you're
paying for the show, then how come the people coming for Trade Night Because
a lot of the vendors in what they call the Starlight Room, Yes,
they're paying to be there because that's where Trade Night you know most of that.
So in other words, people are getting to see a good, good,
a decent amount of the show and not having to pay for it.
So I do have some slight objection to not paying for it based on what
I see in Dallas, because those people know, why should I? Why
should I pay to go to the show and pay for parking when I can
go to trade Night and not have to pay for any of that. I
may not see as much as that, but I'll see other things, and
that's taking money out of their promoter's pocket. So I'm looking at it from
that. By the way, Dallas Card Show is doing fine financially, so
don't get me wrong on that. Yes there, but it's it's still to
me that's taking money out of their pocket, and I don't know if that's
morally right either from the people that Yeah, do you think that maybe you'll
have to have a credential for the actual daytime show to get into the trade
night You think maybe that that may be a possibility at least that way,
you'll probably have to have a ticket of some sort, I mean, make
you buy a day ticket and then if you want to stay for Trade night,
that's fine at least you've you've paid something, and then the other question
is do you want it still charge people that come at six o'clock at night.
I don't have a problem with that. Either they're coming into your building.
If they're coming into your building, you know that you're using, you
have a right to charge them the admission. And so does that mean you're
gonna have to pay your staff extra money? I mean, these are I
know this sounds strange to say, you know, do you have to pay
more money for security? Then you have to do things for the main room.
There are things you don't you may not be thinking about in terms of
us that may actually be costing the promoter more money, and therefore they may
have to charge something for trade night, which is which sounds counterintuitive. But
if you know, you know, and thank you Stu for coming to my
synagogue show that we have Memorial Day weekend. If I had, we're not
gonna have trade Night there. That room is not that facility is not ready
for it. But if I had Trade Night, then I have to have
more things, more people, I have to pay security, more money,
especially in a synagogue with going out with world events. I had a two
other things and so you gotta charge you gotta charge money someway. Yeah,
no, I agree, that's true. So uh, let's let's go ahead
and go I've got one more topic that I'd like to talk about real quick.
I don't know if anyone saw yesterday Bow one million cubs. He went
to in estate sale and he found some cards there, and this is something
that we all dream about. He he ended up finding a bunch of cards
from like the late sixties, seventies, and I think maybe even early eighties.
Uh, and he ended up the cards were a dollar apiece and he
ended up buying I think he spent well over four hundred dollars, maybe close
to five hundred dollars in cards, and he picked up some amazing things.
Uh. Here, here's a picture of it right here. He said that
there were I think maybe four or five other people that were you know,
that went in there right when it up too right when he went in there.
But he picked up some amazing things. He showed everybody, uh,
yesterday on his I think it was on Twitter, some of the things that
he had picked up. And one of the things he picked up was this
card right here. That's incredible. Oh wow, look look at that that
that card is an absent. I'm blind. I haven't seen any of this
yet. That that's insane. Yeah, that is absolutely insane. He got
that a'bsolutely incredible. So so what do you what do you guys think about
that? I mean, I know that I dream about finding something like that
at a yard sale or in a state sale somewhere. I have never in
my life, and I've been to a bunch of yards I mean too never
fit. That's why we do it, you know, That's why we do
it, for this drilling, the chase and to ultimately even if we don't
end up hitting the lotto like that, you know, like, I mean,
just look at that collection. I can see just looking at that stack,
I can see eight to ten cards that are insanely valuable. Like I
mean, that's why we do it so well. And to be honest,
there's nothing morally wrong with what he did. It was you know, this
this is you know, you know sometimes they set a price. They did
not think of getting somebody who knew cards to to look and help them.
And so it's fair game for whoever came in. And I followed him.
The last couple I followed bow anyway, But the last couple of days all
the story and he found out about this because something happened in that hometown with
a graduation. And then then he was scouting around and looking and said,
oh, there's an estate sale to go to. Oh and this looks interesting.
And he drove a Friday and was one of the four people, and
the he got and you know, he didn't buy everything good. Other people
got good stuff too, but he got a lot of really good stuff.
And as I said, it was a legitimate. This wasn't like he went
to the garage sale and he calmed them out of anything they said. And
so there's nothing morally wrong with that. Now it is time, like hard
owner said, it is time to get that stuff authenticated. But you know,
I think I'm pretty sure they're gonna do that. They're on the way
to quite a bit of those and the and the patent are on their way
to p s A in the very near future. Yeah. And BeO also
knows this stuff very well. So he did miss seventy two football high numbers.
I was teasing him about that in his chat this morning. Yeah yeah,
well yeah numbers two. Yeah, amazing, fine, amazing, Fine,
that's for sure, and one I hope a fine one day. Everywhere
it looked like an original collection. This did not look like, oh yeah,
this this. You should not be selling fake items at any at any
time unless you specifically mention it's fake. Well, yeah, like an original
collection. So I wouldn't be worried about trimming on something like this. No,
no, I would not be worried about it either. And you can
tell. You can see all the rubber bands. These cards had rubber bands
around them. I mean, it's just it's just amazing. Yeah. So
you know, these were basically packaged up from when they were opened, a
lot of them, Oh yeah, and just then just held there. That's
amazing. Yeah. And you know, here here's the kicker. He said
this was his very first estate sale that he had ever attended. That wild
Okay, that's unfair. That is unfair. I agree with that. I've
been to so many. You know. In fact, I work with a
guy. I have a friend here in town who does the state sales and
uh, you know, currently, since I am unemployed, I have been
helping him on the weekends at the state sales and he he refines cards.
Usually what happens is the family sees that, oh, hey, there's baseball
cards, let's go ahead and take those because we think they're going to be
valuable. So you never really, they never really even show up in a
state sales. Yeah. Well, honestly, I was un graduate, employed
and I went to estate sales. I rarely saw cards. I've only bought
cards into estate sales, and I did. I did fairly well. One
time it was just a cheap five dollars out of jump wax, and the
other time the guy knew what he was doing. But I had a pretty
good idea of what I was buying. And one of the things was what
I what I did very well with was buying autograph books into state sales.
The odds are pretty good. Those are real, especially if they're personalized to
somebody or you know, usually you don't those are real. And I did
very well with autographed books that I purchaed at a state sales. So I
would look, I would just look for autograph books, and I found I
did very well that I got a couplet I'm back books for five dollars each.
That way, you can't get stopped at autos now for less than like
one hundred dollars each So that's the type of thing. Yeah, I will
pick up and in state sale. Well guys, all right, you guys
continue, Well, yeah, we're quick time, but I think it's I
need to get going with my day two. Yes, yes, yeah.
So with that, i'd like to thank everybody for spending their Saturday morning with
us. I appreciate that, and we all do next week on Hobby Hotline.
It's gonna be We're gonna be on Hobby paloozas, so there's gonna be
a potpourri of hosts, so watch for that. Also, I think it
starts at ten a m. Eastern, so an hour early, so if
you guys are looking for us, it's gonna be an hour early, so
don't don't oversleep. So Happy Father's Day to all the dads out there.
Thanks Rich, Thanks Drew. I appreciate you guys, and uh we will
see you guys next week. Yes, yeah, I have a good one.
Happy Father's Day, guys, and now we exit outro kit. The outro