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graphic nature, including descriptions of physical and

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sexual violence against adults, children,
and animals. Listener discretion is advised.

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Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm
Tanya, and together we are Crimes and

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Consequences, a true crime podcast.
Welcome everybody to this episode of Crimes and

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Consequences. I am Talia. This
is my lovely co host, Tanya.

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We are two lawyers who love true
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Daily for allowing us to be on
their channel for this and the story that

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I have today. I'm warning everybody
it's it's bad. Oh gosh, I

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mean they're all bad. Yeah,
they're all bad. This is different,

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it's pretty gruesome than what we're used
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time to dive in. Okay.
So this story was written by someone I

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really respect and her name is Rachel
Stiller, and she did an amazing job

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on this story. I did research
and follow up on it and she it's

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amazing. And with that, we're
gonna we're gonna start. Okay. Being

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a parent is obviously a rewarding job, and being a parent of an only

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child can often create a very special
bond because you have just one child.

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I just have one child, that's
right, and she's like your bff.

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Right. Uh. Their child was
doted on, spoiled by the parents in

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the grandparents, and she usually got
everything that she needed. She was the

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only child of Clay and Sheila Fletcher, and her name was Lacey. And

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this is the story of Lacey Fletcher. She had a very comfortable lifestyle.

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They lived in a town called Slaughter, Louisiana. Oh, I say,

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it sounds lovely, but it doesn't. But it place maybe maybe why did

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I I don't know how. Hey, let's name this town Slaughter. I

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know I'm always confused when they have
weird names. But well, the question

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becomes what happens when parents go from
spoiling a child rotten to letting the child

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rots? Oh, come antlea,
really, this is bad. This bad.

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Her ones caring parents ended up no
glackeninger. But let's get into Lacey's

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life. Lacey Ellen Fletcher was born
on Monday. It was a Monday before

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Thanksgiving in November. It was the
twenty fifth, nineteen eighty five, to

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the proud parents of Clay and Sheila
Fletcher, the new family of three.

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They resided in the small bedroom community
of Slaughter, which I told you guys

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all about Slaughter, and that is
located in the east Blentcia Valencia Parish of

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Louisiana. Slaughter is a suburb of
It's a suburb of Baton Rouge, okay,

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I mean, and that's the state
capitol. When Lacey was roughly nine

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years old, her family moved across
town into a two story ranch style home

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and it's in a gravel cul de
sac in a very affluent area. It

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was a nice area to live in
and Lacey was ecstatic. The neighbors there

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had children her age. She had
people to play with. She's in a

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nice area. Things are going good. And then you know, she had

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her classmates. She had a new
school. Her classmates described her as being

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a nice, caring person who always
made a point to be friendly with the

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new students. She was one of
those people, always nice to the new

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kids. I loved kids like that. And she went to a place called

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Brownfield Baptist Academy. The Fletcher family
also regularly attended a Baptist church and that

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was in a nearby town called Zachary, where Lacy was part of the youth

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group. So you know, she's
nine, she's ten, she's got friends,

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she's living in a good area,
she's in a youth group. She

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was on the volleyball team in nineteen
ninety seven, nineteen ninety eight, and

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I mean that was one of her
favorite hobbies. She loved volleyball. But

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Lacy had anxiety and she had later
been diagnosed with autism. As she got

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older, her friends made note of
several differences in her personality, like compared

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to other kids that age. One
classmate described Lacey and this is a quote,

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not your typical teenager, because she
liked children's things, not teenage things.

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The other children noticed that Lacey did
not seem as mature as they were,

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so developmentally, she was becoming behind
as far as emotionally, okay,

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And there were subtle changes in her
personality too. Lacey seemed to become more

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withdrawn, and when she was about
fourteen, this is about ninth grade,

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friends realized that Lacey saw she got
diagnosed with autism. So she's fourteen and

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severe social thingsnxiety. Those that have
never had a social anxiety disorder or a

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social phobia, it's this intense fear
of situations that are unfamiliar to you,

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and you feel like you're going to
be watched or judged, and so your

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heart races and you become really,
really anxious these situations. Like all of

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us get a little bit of social
anxiety, right, but we still go

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in, we still meet with people. But hers became extreme. It got

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to the point where she would avoid
any social situation and she would go to

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make up every excuse possible to avoid
it, which we have done before to

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avoid going to them. And it
only worsened when they diagnosed her with ODDS.

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I simply put, autism, as
most probably know, is a neurological

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and developmental disorder that affects how people
interact with others, how they communicate,

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learn and behave. And it seemed
as though as Lacy got older, these

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conditions became more extreme for her.
It doesn't necessarily affect your intelligence, no,

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no, no, no, it's
just how you process the world around

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you, right, Yeah, and
yeah, exactly. She met with a

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psychologist for about three years to help
treat her, and she only seemed to

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get worse. At this point,
her parents claimed Sheila made the decision to

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homeschooler because I think school in and
of itself became to a ship. But

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she's just her anxieties were high school, having to change classes, so it's

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unfamiliar people in every well, not
necessarily all of them are unfamiliar to much.

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It's just too much for her,
so she becomes somewhat of a reclusive

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person. Friends and neighbors began seeing
less and less of Lazy outside of the

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Fletcher home after she began after she
was homeschooled, like they basically never didn't

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see her because now she has no
excuse to leave the house right right,

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She doesn't have volleyball anymore, she
doesn't have all of this. Clay and

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Sheila explained to people that were really
concerned about Lazy that she had extreme social

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anxiety and that her autism had progressed, and they that seemed to pacify their

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friends worries as to why they weren't
seeing Lacy anymore. Clay and Sheila continued

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about their normal lives. The Fletcher
couple will call them we're thought to be

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church going pillars of the community.
Okay, Okay, there's nobody seeing lazy.

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Clay actually held the office of the
president of the Baton Rouge Civil War

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Roundtable. Oh wow, something you've
been trying to achieve for years. Sorry.

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Wow. It is a nonprofit organization
whose mission is to educate in foster

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and appreciation for the sacrifices made during
the Civil War. So those the war

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is actually really interesting. I am
I mean, I am totally into.

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Yeah, it's really interesting in our
country. Yeah, yeah, American Civil

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War. Yeah. Sheila served for
four years as an elder person okay in

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the town of Slaughter before resigning in
February of twenty twenty two. Maybe it's

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like their former city council. Maybe
maybe I don't know. I don't know.

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I'm just pulling out of my ass. I don't know. I should

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have sent it up too before I
said anything. She also served as Slaughter's

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mayor pro term in conjunction with working
as an assistant to the Slaughter City prosecutor.

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Okay, she's way involved, way
involved city politics. Yeah. I

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don't know how I can be an
assistant to the prosecutor without being an attorney.

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I don't know what the rules are
in Louisiana. I don't know what

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they do in their but they wouldn't
they do have different than that wouldn't work

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here. Yeah. No. She
also worked as needed as a police and

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court clerk and then nearby town of
Baker, Louisiana. She's got her finger

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in the pie everywhere, everywhere.
Man. They were very consistent in being

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part of the community and were deeply
respected by everyone. It was only a

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few close friends in long time,
long time neighbors that noticed the couple never

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spoke anymore about their once vibrant daughter, Lacey. It's been years, red

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flag years years. Years. When
asked about Lacy's while being the parents would

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reply that she's doing fine and she
still lives at home with them, but

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you know, she's got that social
anxiety and autism, which I believe she,

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I mean she had. After hearing
that Lacey was still living under the

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Fletcher's roof, neighbors realize it's been
fifteen years since we've seen Lacey. Fifteen

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years. Fifteen fucking years. Wow. Wow, Oh time goes by,

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Yeah, like, oh, it's
a blink of an eye. Fifteen years.

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That's suspicious. Where was Lacey the
whole time? You know? And

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they're like, Okay, I get
she's got problems. Doesn't she go to

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the dentist? Doesn't she go to
see her in fifteen Yes, she's not

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going to be in the house every
single day of her life for fifteen years.

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You have to go out at some
point to get treatments, what you

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know. So people started asking questions
and then her parents eventually said that she

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kind of moved out of town.
Oh, she just up and moved moved

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out of town and that was the
reason for her absence. I mean she

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went to live on her own.
Someone has severe social anxiety. Okay.

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Unfortunately, Lacey's true location would soon
no longer be a mystery. The community,

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the state, nation, in the
world would be aware of where thirty

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six year old Lacey Ellen Fletcher was. And it is not a good It

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is not good. This is bad, guys, warning you, this is

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bad. On Monday, January the
third of twenty twenty two, so this

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is recent, this is recent,
at approximately two thirty am, the Slaughter

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Police Department received a call about an
unresponsive person in the home on Tom Drive,

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which is where Clay and Sheila lived. Sheila had called nine one one

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and stated that she'd found her daughter
unresponsive on the family's couch. Sheila and

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her husband Clay had just returned home
from a weekend get away. They were

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on a vacation that night before she
made the call. Sheila told the dispatcher

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that the last time she saw her
daughter was around ten PM when they got

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home from their little trip, and
the previous night she was alive and she

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was well, but now she's unresponsive. A neighbor had visited the Fletcher home

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and urged Sheila to call nine one
one. That's the reason why she looked

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called nine one one is a neighbor
came over and said, you got to

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call nine one one because the reason
is this neighbor saw lady, and I'm

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just gonna describe what she saw.
She was on the family's nineteen sixty style

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leather couch. This gets me very
upset because this is a very upsetting story.

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At first, responders arrived to the
scene and the Fletcher's home was neat,

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it was tidy. They found Clay
and Sheila sitting on the at the

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kitchen table, just you know,
waiting for them, with their dead daughter

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on the couch. The couple offered
no explanation for the horrific smell in the

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family home. Okay, and what
they had just discovered before this is so

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bad time, so bad, you
guys. Emergency personnel quickly noticed that there

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was one area of the Fletcher home
that was not as tighty as the rest

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of the house, and that was
where the stench was coming from. The

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partially nude and deceased body of Lacey
was sitting upright in a shoulder deep deep

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in a hole on the couch.
The hole was in the couch. Okay.

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The East Lanciana Parrish Corner's office was
contacted, and immediately once authorities began

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to investigate, they realized, wait, this situation, it's really serious.

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Investigators discovered that Lacey was severely emaciated, she weighed ninety six pounds and was

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I can't I'm having a hard time. Guy's gotta cope with me. She

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was covered with rodent feces and multiple
live insects, including maggots. Oh this

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is gonna get really bad. Fecey's
was seen smeared on her face, her

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chest, her abdomen, and there
were numerous insect bites found all over her

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body, East Lanciana Corner. Doctor
Bickman is his name. BAM reported that

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Lacey's body was nestled in a hole
on that couch okay, because it had

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been worn away through the upholstery and
the foam of the couch cushions by Lacey's

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own waste and her body fluids.
Oh no, oh, are you serious.

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The scene had been described as if
Lacy had melted or refused to the

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couch. Okay, Hold on a
second, he's a guy, okay,

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So how long m hmm was she
actually in that spot? Oh? My

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god, to be used and elt
and melted into to erode the sofa and

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her parents just went on vacation.
Yeah, they just Okay. The floor

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beneath the cloud the couch where Lacy
had laid had begun to buckle due to

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the collection of urine pieces the fuck
dude, Okay. Doctor Bickham explained that

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the smell of the scene was so
horrendous he had to excuse himself to the

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front yard to vomit. Okay,
Now, you know that's bad. He's

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a medical example. You know that's
bad. That's bad when he has to

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vomit. I mean, you know, he's seen some ship too. He's

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seen lots of ship. Oh,
no, this is bad, It's very

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sad. The parish district attorney,
his name was Sam doc Kwala. The

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aquila, I don't know. He
described the scene by stating, it's smelled

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of rot. We don't even treat
animals like this. It has been suspected

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that Lacy remained on the couch and
in the same position for the last twelve

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years. Twelve years. Yes,
she was never moved to eat, exercise

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or go to the bathroom. That
is cruel, sneethat I twelve years?

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Did they like channer to the couch? I'll get to all that. Doctor

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Bickham recorded Lacey's official time of death
at three oh seven am on Monday,

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January third, twenty twenty two.
Do you know how much suffering? Oh

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she had to have gone through?
Yeah. Absolutely. He believed that Lacey

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had been dead for at least twenty
four hours, if not forty eight hours,

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before the authorities were even notified.
Yeah. During her autopsy. Sorry.

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During Lacey's autopsy, material from the
couch and human waste were found inside

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he's stomach. Doctor Bickham concluded that
Lacey had been consuming pieces of the foam

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from the couch and her own feces
in an effort to pro the feat herself.

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Multiple severe ulcers were found on the
underside of her body as you can

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imagine right, including her feet,
the buttocks, and some moons were so

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severe that they had rotten to the
bone. Oh my god, she was

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in severe pain. Severe for this
stage, four pressure ulcers had to be

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present, and they would have been
constant pressure in the area for years to

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get to the point where you have
bone. Oh my goodness. Lacy's hair

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was matted, nodded, and infested
with maggots, although it's unclear how she

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was exposed. Lacy was also tested
positive for COVID nineteen. I don't know

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it's time of her death. Wow, she must have got it from a

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parents, obviously, Yeah, your
parents. Doctor Bickham stated that Lacy's death

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was the result of numerous years of
medical neglect and ruled the manner of death

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homicide. In thirty years of being
a doctor, he stated that the scene

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was the worst he'd ever been to, adding, and this is a quote.

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I could not eat for a week. I cried for a week.

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Okay, it's bad. It's a
medical examiner I know the medical examiner.

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I seen everything. Wow, they
seen everything. They seen everything. Her

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official cause of death was death's done
from severe medical neglects, which led to

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chronic malnutrition, acute starvation, immobility, acute ulcar formation, and assiomlitis,

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which is a bone infection that leads
to septus or septis. Oh God,

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Lisa had not had medical attention since
twenty ten, which would have been twelve

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years before her death. And Clay
and Sheila, they were her soul caregivers,

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right. They never sought help for
her. They never took her any

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place, They never did anything for
lazy. Shela claimed that she would frequently

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clean Lacey's various wounds and that Lacey
never once complained about anything. I find

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that really hard to believe, really
hard to believe. Her parents claim that

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Lacy refused to leave her seat on
the couch. I also find that really

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hard to believe. I was just
gonna say, you're not going to get

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up and use the bathroom? No, because you know what, you're the

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parents, and you're gonna make her
get up, and you're gonna make her

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go in the bathroom. She's an
adult. And if you can't do it.

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You call professionals that will help you. That's bullshit. I called bullshit

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on them. Called bullshit. Yeah, I'm sorry, it's basic human.

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They said they would bring Lacey meals
on the couch and sometimes provide her with

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a bedside toilet for her use.
She said, they said that she refused

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to use that toilet. I mean, if it was twelve years, she

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had to be like twenty four when
this started, and your twenty four year

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old? Okay, And I understand
she has autism, okay, okay,

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but she went to school, she
was a functioning ball team. Yeah,

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she was a normal person. And
there no, no, she did not

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require that type of care. Get
help for your kid. I means that

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bad. She could physically do everything. And I really find you, Yeah,

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this case, I find this.
There. I guess that's what they

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have to say because the truth is
disgusting. They considered moving her to a

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mental or a medical facility. No, instead let her ride away on the

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car, but they said she she
wouldn't cooperate. Oh okay, well there

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you go. Well, and I
guess we're just going to let you rot

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on our how yes? Okay?
And did they never have friends over we

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tried. They never anybody over at
their house. Apparently not right, and

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where what about grandma and grandpa and
auntson? Where's this whole story? Is

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just fucking with me anyway, So
no action was taken because the parents said

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she refused to cooperate. So there
you go, I mean, can't get

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her to do it. In the
state of Louisiana, if a patient like

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Lacey refuses treatment, the person's legal
representative can request that she before too.

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Just like here, it's called involuntarily
committed. So despite their saying, oh,

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Lacey, Lacy wouldn't cooperate, they
could have saved her, They could

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have done something. They but they
were adamant, you're ready for this,

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okay. They were adamant that she
was of sound in mind to make her

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own type of decisions, and that
they were okay with those decisions assuming she

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made them. She was fine,
Yeah, she was fine. She just

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didn't feel like getting up off the
couch for twelve fucking years. I'm wow.

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They said she suffered from a condition
called locked in syndrome, okay,

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which is a rare disorder of the
nervous system. But if that's true,

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get her fucking hop Yeah, give
her some medical home, give some fucking

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help. People with locked in syndrome
are usually paralyzed except for muscles that control

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eye movement. Okay, okay,
these individuals are conscious, they're aware,

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and they have the ability to think
and a reason and absolutely talk. Yeah.

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So they're saying she was paralyzed,
so she couldn't walk, she couldn't

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probably were they feeding her? Apparently
not that much. So she's paralyzed.

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Okay, you have a family member. How is she moving enough to eat

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her the couch? Yeah? Like, oh, you're right, that's right,

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and her own feces, she's able
to move. Let's not forget that.

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Yeah, that's right, Thank you
for reminding me. Yeah, I

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mean, but you have a family
member that this happens to, you're just

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gonna let them sit on the couch
and not get them any type of house.

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It's Lacey's choice. Yeah, she's
being really difficult. And how is

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she being so difficult? They can't
carry her out of the house if she's

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and how are they tending to her
wounds when they go to her bone?

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Right? Well, the story is
gonna make you really mad. Okay,

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let's move on. Okay, So
traditionally they're unable to move or speak,

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but are still able to communicate through
blinking movements. Have you ever read the

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book? Was it The Bullet and
the Butterfly or is that that on by

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oh By Smashing Companies butterfly wings or
something? A bullet with butter the book,

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but the guy I have it,
I'm sorry I read it. He

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is locked in syndrome. He used
to work for a magazine and he describes

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what it is. He couldn't do
anything but blink. And he wrote a

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book. Okay, oh in real
life the author, Yeah, okay,

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he wrote a book. Wow,
it's gonna kill me to it'll come to

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you something with wings, butterfly wings. That's locked in syndrome. Okay,

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I mean he's locked in. But
he wrote a book, but he had

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to have it through blinking. There
was a computer and someone would do like

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point to a B and then you
blink. Oh wow, yes, so

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he didn't write a book, yeah, normal way. He couldn't move.

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That's locked in syndrome. Okay,
where was I at? Because I'm getting

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all fired up. I'm all fired
up right now. The medical examiner said

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Lacey didn't have the syndrome, and
he only listed what he knew, which

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was from the medical records autism and
social anxiety. Okay. While under investigation,

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Clay and Sheila Fletcher were not immediately
charged with Sheila's death Lacey's death.

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Sorry, that's Lacy's death. Sorry, I'm getting on told you, I'm

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getting all worked up here. I
need to take a second to breathe,

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yeah, Shela. Soon after Lacey's
death, Sheila posted on Facebook a post

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that read quote, mom and Dad
love you so much. This message stunned

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a lot of family and friends because
they were in like, what the far

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kind of shit happened? Clays supervisor, his name was John Potts, had

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known Clay for six years. His
name was John told investigators the details are

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horrific, There's no doubt about that. And I cannot conceive how something like

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that could even happen with somebody I
knew. Yeah, even somebody I don't

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know, Jordan Club. I can't
conceive that this happens. Clay had only

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mentioned briefly in passing in January of
that year that he had a daughter to

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John, and he told he told
John, his supervisor, that his daughter

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lived out of town. So there
you GOE knowing You've done something wrong because

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you're telling people your daughter lives out
of town. Some neighbors of the Fletchers

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didn't even know that Clay and Sheila
had a daughter. Mean, how would

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they? It was only the long
like longtime neighbors that knew Clay and Sheila's

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family would have noticed Lacey's absence in
family outings. Right, Yeah, you

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think Clay had two sisters, two
brothers, a brother in law, sister

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in law. She led two sisters, They had a whole family. Blah

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blah blah. This family would would
consist of all the cousins and of Lacey,

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and everybody would bring their kids.
It's unclear when the family was questioned

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what they really knew, except that
Lacey was being well cared for and was

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very reclusive, so she didn't want
to come. Yeah, she didn't want

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to come. They trusted that Clay
and Sheila were you know, Yeah,

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because you don't think your fucking family
members are letting their child ride away on

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a couch. I mean, it's
disgusting. You don't want to Okay,

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I'm all fired up too. Sorry, you can continue. And obviously they

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had not been invited over to the
Fletcher's House in many, many years.

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Both Clay and Sheila were forced to
leave their jobs, probably because all their

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coworkers thought they were fucking disgusting animals. Ye right. Clay resigned from his

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his position as president of the Civil
War Roundtable in Baton Rouge, and his

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supervisor, John stated that he was
unsure at the time if Clay would ever

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be welcome back. I must say
no. Sheila was put on ministry or

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leave and no longer worked for the
city prosecutor and zactly, so they're waiting

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for more facts to come out,
Like what more facts do they need?

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Well, I mean, I don't
know. I'm gonna tell you what I

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mean. I'm gonna tell you,
Okay. In April of twenty twenty two,

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just four months after Lacy's death,
the Fletchers still had not formally been

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charged with neglect, not even neglect. Not even neglect, which is like

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the lowest on the to the district's
attorney, Sam quote, I don't know

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intended to bring second degree murder charges
against them? What the fuck is he

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waiting for? Because you are on
fires. She doesn't normally talk like this.

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What the fuck is he waiting?
What do your goddamn job, but

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he acknowledges is extremely complicated. H
He said, the second degree murder is

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a charge is proper because he believes
the parents of Lacey and Fletcher intended to

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kill her. In us sense,
you can't leave someone rotting to the bone,

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with maggots in their hair, starving
to death, go on vacation should

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and expect them to be fine.
I mean, why didn't they just kill

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her? Honestly, and they just
smother her something? Why do they let

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that smothering your child? But she
believes that they went on that trip because

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they knew, because they knew she
was dying, and they didn't want to

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be there let her die alone too. You know what? This is so

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fucking sad. I'm just people never
I mean, they constantly amazed me at

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the I just I can't, I
can't, I can't. I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry. Continue please. Clay
and Sheila weren't considered a flight risk,

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and that's I think that's part of
the reason they weren't quickly charged, because

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I didn't believe they're going anywhere.
He said. The question on everybody's mind

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is, quote, how could they
be caretakers living in the same house with

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her? And have her get into
a condition like that. This is cruelty

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to the infirm. We can't just
let it sit and do nothing. So

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they were arrested finally, Yeah,
it got deferred. I'm not going to

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go into all that. Grand jury
determined charges were warranted against parents. It's

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a lot, it's a lot more
complex because they did just let her rat.

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But she's also an adult. Okay, So the district attorney told news

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outlets on a murder, you have
to have intent. Did they want to

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kill her? I want to say, yeah, they wanted to kill her,

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which is pretty and it's different than
the glad They wanted her to die.

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They sure took the worst possible way. So the grand jury, this

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is like shit you see in a
movie. Gran jury, I told you

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second degree murdered charges against Clay and
Sheila, And it took five months for

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them to be arrested on these charges. And the mandatory sentence is life in

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prison with no possibility rule huh for
a second degree mm hmm, wow,

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right, that's pretty So the grand
jury saw photos, Oh man, I

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forgot about having to look at photos
of the condition of Lazy and how she's

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been found, and the members of
the grand jury were so horrified by these

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images. Medics had to be brought
in on standby because of the shock of

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the photos. Oh oh, man, I mean the medical examiner did say,

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it's the worst he's ever seen in
his head. He had to go

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out and queue. Yeah, and
he had to go ce so I can

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I can only imagine. So they
were indicted, like I said, second

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degree murder for the death of their
daughter. Their bond was set at three

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hundred thousand each. Feels kind of
low, but okay. Sheila was released

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on bond at ten thirty that day. Clay was forced to stay the night

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in jail, but he was released
by ten am. Someone posted bond for

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them. Oh, they used a
bondman and their assets and they had money.

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Yeah whatever whatever. Court case got
delayed for a while and Lacy's parents

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still maintained that they were absolutely not
guilty. There was an attorney to represent

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both of them, which the same
attorney represented both of them. Yeah,

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don't do that, that's a bad
idea. They didn't want to relieve,

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to relive the pain of losing the
child through the media. They've been through

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a lot of heartache over the years. Anyone who lost a child, knows

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what it feels like, and he
was saying that that was I don't know,

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that's just a quote. I don't
know why he said it. There

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were multiple indictments. They've been through, They've been through so much, through

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so fucking much. Kazireas wasn't rotten
on a couch, rotting on a couch.

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I'm so disgusted with these people.
So their attorney fouled the motion on

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twenty twenty three, didn't miss the
charges filed and some Um, I'm not

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going to go through all that.
If you tell me they don't go to

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jail, I'm gonna fucking go off. Hoscutters had inadvertently used the language in

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the indictment referencing cruelty to the elderly
and not to the infirm. Oh no,

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which caused the charges to be thrown
out. Why did I Why did

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I know? Okay? Why did
I know that you were gonna say some

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shit like that? Okay? Oh
go on, you bet it. Somebody

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better fix that goddamn motion. Yeah, there was a second indictment. Okay,

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they were reindicted. That was on
Monday, June nineteenth of twenty twenty

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three. They turned themselves into the
police. They were granted bonds. The

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district attorney said, we will ensure
that there's justice for lazy and I will

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proofread everything that gets filed from now
on. Right now I'll be doing Somebody

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lost their job over that one,
and the public knows that caregivers will be

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charged for neglecting or abusing a person
in their care. I have not I

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have not much, but I have
a little compassion for them. But I

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think we have to send a message. We need to take care of your

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people better then you do your animals. Oh, you need to take care

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of your people better than you do
your animals. I just want people to

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recognize if you have a situation like
that, to take action. Lacy's death

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was a crime against humanity. Yeah. I hope the endamond brings some spotlight

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to victims of this type of crime. There's second degree murder trial doesn't start

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to this year. Oh they're still
in jail. No, they're out on

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bond. Right, they're out on
bond. What the hell do you have

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two parents? I mean, I
I just I'm sure they had a hard

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time. Yeah, okay, but
no, no, no, no,

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no, there are parents that have
disabled children who grow into disabled adults that

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they have to take care of or
that they seek help, like for care

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for their children. I mean,
she, as far as I know,

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she did not have any physical disabilities, you know. I mean if you

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guys in syndrome, you don't people
with locked in syndrome don't just sit on

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a fucking couch. You had to
be in a hospital, like you had

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to get like breathing. Two yeah
stuff. I mean, and she's not

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being cared for, like four Okay, let's say she doesn't say lock in

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syndrome and she won't get up off
the couch. You're just letting her like

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rot yeah right there floor, like
not giving not even caring for her that

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way. I mean, they make
adult sized you know, dips and things

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that people can use. I mean
they're not they're not even giving her the

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basic care. Plus she's malnutrition mag
they couldn't take the magic, starving to

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death. I mean, this is
just fucking disgusting. I just couldn't even

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take the maggots off. No,
even though she can't move, you madded,

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so she's not even getting her hair
brushed. Just how do these people

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live with themselves? This is your
child, This is worse than I think

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almost any serial killer story that we've
done is so And there's some some sick

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bastards out there that have tortured and
done horrible things to people. I think

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this has to rank right up there, because this is just so sad.

436
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I just I'm I I feel like
I'm gonna cry when I leave here today.

437
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You and I are going because this
is just sad. It's just sad

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and disgusting. And these people there's
no excuse, No, there really is

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no excuse. I mean, it
helped. This is modern twenty twenty two.

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Okay, let's say it's happened in
twenty ten. This is modern times.

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People get your child some help.
They didn't want to spend the money.

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I mean, what is really their
excuse? What is the they wouldn't

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because she's an adult, she could
get medicators? You know, yeah,

444
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Stapa, I mean, what is
your true excuse? Don't give a fuck?

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I mean, fuck, you want
to stay in the couch? You

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want you want somebody to rot in
your living room? And how did she

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how did she say she wanted to
stay in the couch? Blinking? I

448
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just I can't mad, and I
can't talk about it. Anymore. Yeah,

449
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:01.039
I'll shut up now. I could
rant on for another hour. We

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will. I'm not going to bore
you with my rants because you're probably pissed

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as well if you've gotten this far
into the story. Okay, anyway,

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well, anyway, let's just let's
take a second and just honor her.

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Yes, she's in a better place. Had to be in about it has

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to be in a better place.
Right, that's poor. That poor woman

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suffered horribly, and I'm glad her
suffering is over. That's the only thing

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I can say. And I want
to thank Rachel Stiller for writing. Yeah,

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thanks Rachel. She did a lot
of research, and it is hard

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to research this stuff and then write
it. You get emotionally. Yeah,

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there's been times we've had to put
I've had to put stories aside. You've

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had to put stories aside for years? Yeah, for years. I mean

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there are literally stories that we've done
that I can't too painful that I would

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have to wait and just process before
I could come back and write the story.

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So I underst stand that this is
a big shout out to Rachel.

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Yeah, Apple's giving us some problem, some problems, but same idea.

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But it'll get there eventually. Yeah. So I want to think True

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Crime Daily for letting us be with
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you guys, for taking the time
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We appreciate and love you all,
except for the ones that write bad comments.

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You guys can fuck off. Yeah, fuck off's a good word.

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And I'm gonna say I'm gonna follow
this. I'm gonna have to go home

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and figure out when their trial is. I mean it's coming up, yeah,

486
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coming up like June. I think, oh, not soon enough.

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These fuckers are out just living their
lives. God bless it. Anyway,

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Okay, well anything else, No, I think you covered everything. So

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until our next episode, don't kill
each other. Bye bye,