WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:04.400 However, I'm standing by right now. There's no one to me there, 2 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:14.759 Sean, the moody moody. Everybody's got a price for the million dollar man. 3 00:00:18.280 --> 00:00:22.480 After you throw him off through the announced table, take her climbs back 4 00:00:22.480 --> 00:00:25.640 down, he gets in the ring and he goes see if he's breathing. 5 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:29.679 Right before I called nine one one, I thought she'd falling asleep. Kind 6 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:32.200 of shipp her a little bit to wake her up, and she did not 7 00:00:32.399 --> 00:00:38.119 respond. And I'll go down to my go to my grave testifying or whatever, 8 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:42.200 swearing that Davy was not on drugs. If he was on drugs the 9 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:45.799 way Bratt says, how does I mean? How great does that make? 10 00:00:45.880 --> 00:00:48.759 Davy? Are you laughing? Sean? I get off the track here all 11 00:00:48.799 --> 00:00:51.200 the time. Did you just laugh? Sean? You go ahead and chop 12 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:54.159 me, give me a big chop ill. So I'll give you my whole 13 00:00:54.200 --> 00:00:57.640 chest and everything, and then I'll look at you like this, and then 14 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:00.560 I'll punch you right in the mouth as far as I attention, Sean, 15 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:08.079 Come you slime you macause there's no further questions. You're dismissed. Carry on, 16 00:01:08.319 --> 00:01:12.640 Margot, Hello everybody, and welcome once again to another edition of Primetime 17 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:18.000 with Sean Mooney. I hope you've had a fabulous week so far. We're 18 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:22.239 coming off our episode with Mick Carsh. I'm glad that you guys finally got 19 00:01:22.239 --> 00:01:25.840 a chance to listen to that great conversation that we had. You know, 20 00:01:25.920 --> 00:01:30.359 MC known as the voice of Minnesota wrestling, but also and whether he had 21 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:34.680 planned it or not, has become a great historian of Minnesota wrestling over the 22 00:01:34.760 --> 00:01:40.159 years. Fascinating stories he had to tell about. So many greats that were 23 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:45.319 part of the glory days of the AWA and Burringana, so many greats to 24 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:47.799 come out of there. Nick Bockwinkle, of course, he was a huge 25 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:53.760 fan of Nick Backwinkle actually started his fan club and just had so much to 26 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.480 talk about with him. But you know, so many others. You know, 27 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:04.359 Bobby Heenan was you know, really came to prominence as a manager traveling 28 00:02:04.400 --> 00:02:07.479 through that territory. Also Gene Oakland, you know, of course, whole 29 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:13.759 Cogan and when the Hulkster went to the WWF at the time, he knew 30 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:16.199 that he had to have his wingman by him, and that was Gene Oakland. 31 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:20.039 And you know, the rest is history. What happened with those two 32 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:25.000 long remembered as legends in this business. And the Hulkster back and he's been 33 00:02:25.080 --> 00:02:30.360 quite busy too, And of course we missed Gene Oakland every day. He 34 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:32.919 was the best of the best. No one was ever better than Gene Oakland 35 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:37.919 with a microphone in their hand. A lot of people remember that era. 36 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:42.280 It was just a really special time, you know, a really big part 37 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:46.159 of what shaped the business in the future, because if you'll recall, that 38 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:50.960 was when you know, they had all the territories and the NWA was really 39 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:55.560 what it was, had set out to be a National Wrestling Alliance where you 40 00:02:55.639 --> 00:03:00.639 had all these territories who had you know, this organization really and all the 41 00:03:00.639 --> 00:03:07.240 promoters cooperated with each other, they exchange talent, they respected each other as 42 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:09.800 territories. And then it all went to hell when they all started to see 43 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:15.719 the development of cable and how that would affect the world, you know, 44 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:21.560 how you could sell you could have your products seen by millions of people across 45 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:27.360 the country, and just a really fascinating time. Of course, everybody knows 46 00:03:27.439 --> 00:03:30.280 what Vince McMahon did from that point and kind of took everything over, but 47 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:36.400 really just fascinating, fascinating time and just an incredible conversation with Mick. And 48 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:38.080 I'm just so glad, Like I said, I'm glad you had a chance 49 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:44.879 to hear from Mick. Let's get to this conversation the main event today. 50 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:47.479 You know, the first time I heard Sam Roberts because people told me, 51 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:50.360 yeah, he got to listen to this guy who does all these interviews with 52 00:03:50.439 --> 00:03:53.800 the wrestling personalities. And I heard his voice, I'm like, oh my 53 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:57.719 goodness, man, what the heck? But and we talk about it in 54 00:03:57.800 --> 00:04:00.879 our conversation, but I have to, you know, to tell you honestly, 55 00:04:01.039 --> 00:04:05.159 is that, you know, I kept listening because he had great guests 56 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:11.319 on He has great guests on his his podcast, and he is an excellent 57 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:16.319 interviewer, you know, he he is. He's just curious and those uh, 58 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:21.519 those kind of people make the best interviewers because they asked the questions that 59 00:04:21.639 --> 00:04:27.560 you're thinking of. And uh, you know, he tells the story of 60 00:04:27.560 --> 00:04:30.920 how he got started in this because he you know, his his backgrounds and 61 00:04:31.040 --> 00:04:35.199 radio. He was, you know, a producer with the Opie and Anthony 62 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:40.120 Show, which was this kind of you know, shock jock radio program for 63 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:46.040 years and not only just a producer but also a talent and he's now on 64 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:48.199 He also besides everything else the guy does. I don't know when he finds 65 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:53.600 time, but he has a show that he does daily on Serious XM. 66 00:04:54.000 --> 00:05:03.079 So let's get to this conversation with Sam Roberts. Ding Ding Ding, my 67 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:06.160 guest this week, is well known in the world of professional wrestling. He 68 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:12.920 is the host of the Not Sam podcast. Everybody Knows That podcast millions around 69 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:16.560 the world listening, and he has made several and continues to make appearances on 70 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:21.560 various WWE programming. But he's also note around the world as the host of 71 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:27.279 the Sirius XM show Jim Norton and Sam Roberts. Folks, Basically, he 72 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:30.480 never stops talking. He's just all day long. Sam Roberts, Welcome to 73 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.319 Primetime. How are you, good man? That was an amazing introduction, 74 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:39.079 especially coming from you. How are you? I'm great. I'm great. 75 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:43.639 I'm out in Arizona. The weather is perfect this time of year, so 76 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.120 and I'm talking to Sam Roberts, So what could be better? And it 77 00:05:46.120 --> 00:05:48.959 doesn't sound like it could possibly get any better to absolutely, Hey, is 78 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:54.240 it weird for you to be interviewed. I mean, you've done thousands of 79 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:57.560 interviews and then like they turned the mic and you're being interviewed. Is it 80 00:05:57.800 --> 00:06:01.720 Is it strange to you or no? So it's not necessarily weird to be 81 00:06:01.800 --> 00:06:08.680 interviewed because I've always I mean because I've always done like talk radio and interviews 82 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:12.240 and everything as conversations, so you know, it's not so much one side 83 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:15.759 or the other. But it is like if I'm not really trying to wrap 84 00:06:15.800 --> 00:06:21.519 my head around who's interviewing me right now because it's somebody that I grew up 85 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:27.240 watching interview people, the idea that it's Sean Mooney now interviewing me, that's 86 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:31.079 a head trip. The premise of interviewing I can handle. I don't know. 87 00:06:32.879 --> 00:06:34.759 I'll tell you that I was. I was trying to figure out, 88 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:38.040 like, when is this guy gonna fit me into his schedule here, because 89 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:44.800 I can't even imagine what your date is like unless it just seems like it. 90 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:49.360 Maybe you create this but between you know, the podcast you do during 91 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:55.399 the week just for wrestling, and then you've got this other gig on Sirius 92 00:06:55.600 --> 00:06:58.279 XM. I mean, give me a typical week, because I know what 93 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:00.720 one day would not be enough. So give me a typical week in your 94 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:04.920 life. Yeah, I mean it's definitely definitely go by the week because some 95 00:07:05.000 --> 00:07:09.360 days are heavier than others for sure, And I fit in like one or 96 00:07:09.439 --> 00:07:13.199 two nights that will be my sleep nights, so like I kind of like 97 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:16.079 look forward to those nights, like, Okay, if I could just keep 98 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:19.279 pushing through until this night, I'll be able to sleep like seven or eight 99 00:07:19.319 --> 00:07:23.079 hours and it will be fine. So it helped a lot. I built 100 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:26.639 a studio in my house, so the stuff that don't do on Sirius, 101 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:30.879 I cut down a lot on transportation and everything. So that and so like 102 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:33.720 when people like you reach out, I don't need to figure out, like 103 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:35.839 Okay, when can I get to a studio? So it sounds right and 104 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:39.079 blah blah blah, I just go, okay, I can. I can 105 00:07:39.160 --> 00:07:43.480 do podcasts like yours and my wrestling podcasts and all that stuff out of my 106 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:48.199 home, which made a world of difference. But I mean I'm up every 107 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:54.319 morning during the week at four forty because I go into the city and do 108 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:58.160 the morning show with Jim on Sirius XM. And that's every that's you know, 109 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:05.279 those are my mornings every single weekday I get home. The wrestling podcast 110 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:09.040 now comes out twice a week because of all the content. We just started 111 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:11.680 going twice a week, which is probably stupid idea on my part. I 112 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:15.199 don't think I have that kind of time, but there's just so much to 113 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.839 cover. So that is every Monday morning, so that's Sunday evening. I 114 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:22.519 tape that, and then Thursday afternoon, as soon as I get home from 115 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:26.439 the show, I do kind of a recap podcast of the whole week. 116 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:33.200 Try to sneak in two or three visits to the gym a week, and 117 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:39.960 then you know, every four to six weeks or so, there's another WWE 118 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:43.840 gig that I'm lucky enough to get to travel for. So I'm out there 119 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:48.480 doing that kind of constantly, on the hunt for interviews that I can air 120 00:08:48.519 --> 00:08:54.120 on the podcast every week, looking for bonus. A YouTube show every Friday 121 00:08:54.279 --> 00:09:00.000 night, which is just like a topical YouTube talk show called Sam Robert. 122 00:09:00.200 --> 00:09:03.759 Now, um, there's a monthly sneaker show that I do for the YouTube 123 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:09.559 channel as well. Uh, and I have two kids, so yeah, 124 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:16.360 yeah, and you see them when um, whenever, whenever I bring my 125 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:18.320 head up from the basement, studio and I go like, Okay, you 126 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:22.039 got me for an hour. Take a good look. Take a look at 127 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:24.480 this face. It's gonna change by the time you see it next time. 128 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.159 Exactly. Yeah. It's not like me going, oh my god, you 129 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:31.320 guys have gotten so bigger. I see the kids, Oh god, dad, 130 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:35.480 you're you're older. You're so much older. The gray haircut from Yeah, 131 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:41.559 yeah, that that is an amazing schedule. And most of the podcasting 132 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:45.639 is you do in studio with a lot of the guys, right, So 133 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:48.480 that's I try to line those up. Yeah, I mean, I try 134 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:52.799 to uh get them when I can. We were talking a little bit before 135 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:56.759 we went on the air about it's a little easier being in New York. 136 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:01.799 So if somebody's around U during the week in the morning and maybe they're on 137 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:03.440 a press tour or whatever they're coming up to sirius, I can line up 138 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:09.639 a podcast interview there. Or I've gone to WWE live events where I can 139 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:11.879 go early before the show and line up an interview with somebody that I can 140 00:10:11.879 --> 00:10:18.320 tape there, or you know, whenever they have press conferences or events like 141 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:22.519 that, or you know, two K had a launch last week for their 142 00:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.240 video game, and they had a bunch of interviews there. So I try 143 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:33.480 to take advantage of every single press interview opportunity that I can because it's all 144 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.320 content that I can use for the podcast. And then and then you know, 145 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.120 if need be, if nothing lines up in a given week, we 146 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:45.720 can do phoners and skype interviews from the studio as well. Yeah, and 147 00:10:45.799 --> 00:10:48.159 that that is the thing. You know, people don't realize that, especially 148 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:52.399 when you make that commitment to do guests every week. That is one thing. 149 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:56.120 And I mean when I started this, you know, he did the 150 00:10:56.159 --> 00:11:01.360 first twenty episodes and then uh you know, when he decided that, you 151 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:05.360 know, I wanted to do something actually made money. Uh you know, 152 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:09.720 he I was thinking, Okay, I really like doing this. But and 153 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:11.080 I had originally thought of an idea when we started this. I wanted to 154 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:13.480 do like an event center when they first approached me, and then have guests 155 00:11:13.480 --> 00:11:16.919 every week. But I'm thinking, how the hell am I gonna get people? 156 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:18.919 And the people that were involved in the show are like, you know, 157 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:22.320 we'll just just take you know, take it one week at a time. 158 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:24.919 I literally did that, but uh, you know, to get people 159 00:11:26.000 --> 00:11:28.879 after while, like some days some weeks. You get three people, then 160 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.919 I just bank them and then i'm you know, think I'm riding a little 161 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:33.960 bit. And then it's all saying, oh great, we got one left 162 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.200 in the can. And uh. You're always constantly, you know, thinking 163 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:41.200 about that. And now I mean I'm two two and a half years into 164 00:11:41.200 --> 00:11:46.000 this and over one hundred and something episodes, but it's still and I'm thinking, 165 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.679 Okay, I'm gonna have to start maybe you know, broadening that scope, 166 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:54.080 getting some of the new guys. You know, he watched the w 167 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:58.600 he watched the WWFP and he was a kid then tie and I hope that 168 00:11:58.639 --> 00:12:03.720 they've heard of me somewhere along the line. But it is, it's it's 169 00:12:03.759 --> 00:12:05.639 a it's a lot of work. So I always think about like what you 170 00:12:05.720 --> 00:12:13.399 do and uh and doing the XM stuff. Can you do that from home 171 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:15.600 to I mean, since studio is that all they always have? They have 172 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:18.360 cameras on you too. Yeah, there are cameras. You got to be 173 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:20.039 in the studio, Yeah, I have, I have. I we just 174 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.240 recently set up my studio to be able to patch into the serious studio if 175 00:12:24.320 --> 00:12:28.320 need be. But that's it. There's like a blizzard or if there's some 176 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:31.240 reason I can't get out of my house other than that I drive into the 177 00:12:31.240 --> 00:12:35.320 city every morning just because I mean, I like, I like being in 178 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:37.200 the serious studio. I like being there with Jim. I like if we 179 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:39.559 have guests coming in, and we have guests in all my day, so 180 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:43.279 like, you know, I like being there with the staff and with the 181 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:46.759 guests and you know, kind of creating this world. Yeah, that interaction 182 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:52.279 is yeah, different than than just from a mic, for sure, very 183 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:56.879 true. But it is amazing today what you can do because not too long 184 00:12:56.919 --> 00:12:58.440 ago, it would sound like we were on a phone. There was no 185 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:03.320 way to help like that, Crisp, like we're in the studio together. 186 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.039 Now you can, you know, with Skype and these other different kinds of 187 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:09.720 technology you can do it. But yes, it's made everything. It's made 188 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:15.279 everything possible to do multiple things like for instance, when NXT premiered as a 189 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:18.759 two hour show on the USA network, they brought myself, Pat McAfee and 190 00:13:18.840 --> 00:13:24.080 Charlie in to do a pre show for the WWE network just to celebrate that 191 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:26.120 NXT was going to be live for two hours. And that's the middle of 192 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:31.159 the week. But because the Performance center has all the technology in the world, 193 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.000 and Serious has figured out all the technology in the world. I was 194 00:13:33.039 --> 00:13:41.039 actually able to do the Wednesday and Thursday show that week live from the WWE 195 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:46.000 Performance Center. So it's like I was able to still be on Sirious in 196 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:48.720 the morning and then go and do the network show Wednesday night, and then 197 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:54.000 wake up first thing Thursday morning and be back on Sirius and then fly back 198 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:56.879 to New York. But it really is wild the way technology is kind of 199 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:01.039 eliminated excuses, you know what I mean. Yeah, No, you can 200 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:05.679 broadcast from anywhere. I mean I've done stuff from a car before, you 201 00:14:05.679 --> 00:14:09.720 know, and it's not a bad tom booth actually, but you know it 202 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:11.639 is. It's it's it's where you can do that now with a hot spot 203 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:16.279 and just get on the internet. Um. And you know, uh, 204 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:18.639 Stem, you're you're a very unique talent. And you remind me, you 205 00:14:18.639 --> 00:14:22.000 know, like a Rosenberg is kind of along the same way. You guys 206 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:26.559 have, uh you know, not only done so well with you know, 207 00:14:26.639 --> 00:14:28.720 like a like a one focused thing, like somebody would be happy to do 208 00:14:28.799 --> 00:14:33.080 one of your jobs, but you guys have like five and uh, I 209 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:37.360 want to want to talk about them, but I first want to begin, 210 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:41.120 like where this all started with you, because I think about like what you 211 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:45.039 what kind of a kid you must have been? Like uh, and I'm 212 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:46.159 gonna let you explain that too. I mean, then I'm gonna give you 213 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:50.480 what my theory was. I don't know before or maybe before maybe you want 214 00:14:50.480 --> 00:14:52.720 to hear it first. I don't know. I mean, yeah, no, 215 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:54.360 I don't know. I mean, I'll tell you that was. Oh. 216 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:58.159 I've always been obsessive, Like I was a very obsessive kid. I'm 217 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:03.879 at of adult, like I'm just an obsessive person. So like you know, 218 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:09.080 as a kid, I was super, super super into wrestling, like 219 00:15:09.159 --> 00:15:13.919 from the time I was really that was your first love before before anything, 220 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:16.159 and it always has been and they're never it's never dipped, it's never done 221 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.159 anything. Like the toys that I wanted as a kid were wrestling toys. 222 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:26.679 I bought every wrestling magazine, I recorded everything on vhs, you know, 223 00:15:26.080 --> 00:15:33.279 everything everything. And then as I got older, like I started my doing 224 00:15:33.320 --> 00:15:37.039 like a wrestling tape trading business, and I was making like custom accessories for 225 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:46.279 wrestling action figures and kind of the wrestling hobby was evolving along with my life. 226 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:50.480 And it was just it never went down. It just changed and matched 227 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:54.080 my life. At the same time, I listened to a lot of radio, 228 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:56.840 you know, when I was growing up, I would listen to Howard 229 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:00.519 Stern in the morning. I listened to high school Opie and Anthony in the 230 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:06.559 afternoon. And so I just kind of really became obsessed with that radio as 231 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:11.720 a medium, and just before podcast obviously, because it was this sort of 232 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:15.600 free format way of entertainment. You know, I always liked TV talk shows 233 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:19.960 and everything like that, but everything was so tightly choreographed and they were clearly 234 00:16:21.879 --> 00:16:23.840 so many hands at play, and everything had to line up and you had 235 00:16:23.840 --> 00:16:29.200 to have this whole operation working, whereas radio it sounded like you could just 236 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:33.480 be a guy and if you had your wits about as you go and create 237 00:16:33.519 --> 00:16:37.759 this world. And I think that's what I was really into. So, 238 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:41.120 you know, as I went to college, still obsessed with wrestling, still 239 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:45.120 obsessed with radio, started doing college radio, and YadA, YadA, YadA. 240 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.240 Yeah, but you mentioned Howard Stern, and you know somebody would like 241 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:52.240 would go to war with later, I mean, when you're working with the 242 00:16:52.440 --> 00:16:56.279 opiate anthy that but was he someone and I imagine you still must admire him 243 00:16:56.279 --> 00:17:02.840 for what he did with that format because prior to that, it was, 244 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:07.519 you know, kind of that they still had the happy talk new morning radio 245 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:11.319 teams, and he just blew that out of the ocean. Yeah, I 246 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:17.799 mean, I always liked and still do like that. Howard has always had 247 00:17:17.839 --> 00:17:22.400 a tremendous ambition, and not even just an ambition for himself, but an 248 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:30.319 ambition that he wants the art form to match his ambition, if that makes 249 00:17:30.319 --> 00:17:33.039 sense. Like, you know, radio, I think had this ceiling and 250 00:17:33.480 --> 00:17:38.519 Howard had this other ceiling. Howard had these great ambitions to be respected the 251 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:44.440 same way the biggest celebrities in the world are respected, but radio didn't get 252 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:48.279 that respect. So it was up to him to kind of redefine the genre. 253 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:52.960 And that's what happened. And you saw a lot of the people that 254 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:56.799 you know, we're kind of his rivals, especially in the late eighties into 255 00:17:56.799 --> 00:18:00.480 the nineties, we're kind of trying to follow his model because they felt like, 256 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:03.319 oh, radio is evolving, so I'll just follow the way radio is 257 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:08.720 evolving. But I mean, he never really followed that evolution. It was 258 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:14.160 his ambition that I think the genre kind of followed and that's really what I 259 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:18.079 always liked about him. Yeah, and the risks that he took, I 260 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:23.920 mean along the way that you know that nobody else was would dare do. 261 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:27.240 I mean they felt they had to keep feeding their families, I guess, 262 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:30.319 but you know, but Howard was one of those people and I and I 263 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:34.880 was living back east when he was really rising, you know, king of 264 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:40.000 all media, and I just remember listening and going like, oh my god, 265 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:44.400 like nobody has done this and nobody has dared to. And then you 266 00:18:44.440 --> 00:18:48.519 had others come along who you know, who did it their their way, 267 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:51.680 but they borrowed a lot from Howard. And did you ever did you have 268 00:18:51.720 --> 00:18:53.440 you gotten to know him over the years. Did you have a relationship with 269 00:18:53.559 --> 00:18:56.480 him? No? No, I mean I've said hello. No, yeah, 270 00:18:56.480 --> 00:19:00.240 I've never I've never gone past saying hello. We we both you know, 271 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:03.519 do our shows up. It's serious and if we if we pass, 272 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:07.839 you know, like ships in the night, either on the way into the 273 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:11.079 studio or on the way out, we'll say hello. But beyond that, 274 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:14.119 no, I've never I've never actually had a conversation with him, but I 275 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:15.960 would love to sometime. Yeah, you know, and I think that, 276 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:21.240 you know, people kind of remember him as this shock jockey still pushes the 277 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:26.519 envelope even to this day. But I don't think people really appreciate that he's 278 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:29.680 he's a great interviewer, and uh, you know, if you just listen 279 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:33.200 to his interviews, he's one of the best, you know, And I 280 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:37.440 don't know if you've ever you know, appreciated that with him, but I've 281 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:41.039 always felt that nobody's really given that guy credit for that. He's a really 282 00:19:41.160 --> 00:19:44.119 great interviewer. Yeah, I mean, I also think that I think people 283 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:45.640 are starting to come around on that, especially with the book that he just 284 00:19:45.720 --> 00:19:48.720 came out with, and and that's kind of He's He's always been very good 285 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:53.119 at, uh, redefining the way he's perceived too. I think that perception 286 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:56.640 of him is a good interviewer. It took so much work, but he's 287 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.640 finally starting to get there. I think he's pretty unappreciated for his ability to 288 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:06.200 tell stories. You know. I think that so many people think that they 289 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:08.079 can get on the air and just talk about mundane things and it will be 290 00:20:08.200 --> 00:20:11.799 entertaining, but it's not. It's just because you know, you hear a 291 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:15.880 guy like Howard or there are a few others, but there's a very small 292 00:20:15.960 --> 00:20:22.279 handful of people that can take the mundane and turn it into something interesting. 293 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:26.240 I mean, I remember growing up. I was always just interested in when 294 00:20:26.279 --> 00:20:30.200 he would come on and be in there and describe his day, what did 295 00:20:30.200 --> 00:20:33.799 he do yesterday? And he would just talk about these sort of daily life 296 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:37.160 activities, but he would do it in such a way where it's like, 297 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:40.759 I'm I'm interested, I'm hooked in this thing that you know, this guy 298 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:42.359 is doing that I don't even know who he is. Yeah. And the 299 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:47.359 reason I brought that up because you were kind of came from kind of that 300 00:20:47.440 --> 00:20:52.519 part of that that world of entertainment and when you got involved with you know, 301 00:20:52.559 --> 00:20:57.400 the show with the opiate Anthony, and was that kind of your your 302 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:00.680 focus? Like when you when you were a girl going up and you went 303 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:04.519 to Syracuse which was known for as a great broadcasting school, I think, 304 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:08.880 would you get a sociology degree? You did? Like? How did that 305 00:21:08.960 --> 00:21:15.319 happen? So that's really good research because most people just assume that I went 306 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:18.039 to New House, yeah and kind a degree in broadcasting, and I let 307 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:23.519 them believe that that's the whole point about story. I just oh, you 308 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:27.839 told the truth, and I I mean, I like my story better than 309 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:32.319 had I just gone and gotten a degree. So so I went to Syracuse, 310 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:34.799 UH, and I wanted to go to film school. Actually, like 311 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:40.640 I was, I was super interested in making uh films. But I also 312 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:42.880 like broadcasting. So I said, you know, Syracuse would be amazing because 313 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:45.640 they have you know, they have a film school, but they also have 314 00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:52.400 this this sea of amazing broadcasters that have come out of Syracuse. And it's 315 00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:55.640 like, Okay, this is perfect. So I got into Syracuse, but 316 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:59.240 I didn't get into New House, you know, because my grades weren't good 317 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:02.680 enough I got in to But I did get into the College of Arts and 318 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:07.400 Sciences, which is just kind of the the basic sort of here you go 319 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:10.160 undergrads, figure out what you're gonna do. This is the College of Arts 320 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:12.279 and Sciences. And my parents shocked that I got into the College of Arts 321 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:15.960 and Scientists. But we figure, I don't know, maybe they made a 322 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:18.720 mistake, but we'll we'll check yes on the box and we'll go. So 323 00:22:19.240 --> 00:22:23.359 UM. When I got there, the first thing I did was go like, 324 00:22:23.359 --> 00:22:26.000 okay, how do you transfer into New House. That's the school, 325 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:30.559 but that's the best broadcasting school in the country, and they said, all 326 00:22:30.559 --> 00:22:32.680 you have to do is have a three point five GPA. If you have 327 00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:36.519 a three point five GPA, you transfer into new house, no problem. 328 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:40.640 And I go, perfect, that's what I'll do then, except I'm not 329 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:45.960 a like a school person, like I'm not. I'm not I didn't fail 330 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:49.799 anything, but I'm like, you know, I have so much going on. 331 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:56.039 I'm obsessive, but unfortunately I'm not obsessive about book learning as it's known. 332 00:22:56.319 --> 00:22:59.400 So so I didn't get a three point five GPA. So I said, 333 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:03.559 okay, what plan b here? And in my second year I went 334 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:10.079 over to the School of Visual and Performing Arts and they had a film program 335 00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:14.119 in the Visual and Performing Art school that was really more about the art of 336 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:15.599 filmmaking and all this stuff, but it was still a film degree and we 337 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:18.240 got to make films and the whole deal. So I said, okay, 338 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.480 and you don't need a three point five GPA to get in there. So 339 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:23.599 I said, perfect, that's where I'll go then, and I'll learn how 340 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:27.519 to make films. So I went in over there, and I was a 341 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:30.440 year behind. So they said, okay, you can come in, but 342 00:23:30.440 --> 00:23:33.079 you're gonna have to stay in Syracuse for a fifth year to make up for 343 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:37.880 that first year of you putzing around trying to figure out what you were doing. 344 00:23:37.079 --> 00:23:41.000 And I said, okay, no problem, and that was the plan. 345 00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:47.039 And then right before right after my third year of school, I got 346 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:51.559 an internship with Opie and Anthony, and I spent the summer between my third 347 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:56.079 and fourth years at Syracuse as an Opie and Anthony intern in New York City. 348 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:02.079 And I mean, how did that happen? I so I was doing 349 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:06.200 college radio at Syracuse because I was still very, very interested in radio, 350 00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:08.640 and I was still you know, I Opie and Anthony had been my favorite 351 00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:12.519 show in high school. They had gotten thrown off the air, but that 352 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:21.680 year they were yeah, yeah, exactly that year they were returning to satellite 353 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:23.920 radio, to XM satellite radio. And this was before Howard was still onto 354 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:27.440 restrial radio. There was really satellite radio was more of a concept. There 355 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:33.400 were no big personalities radio, so and you know, it's fairly untested and 356 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:36.680 everything. But I was like, yeah, I'll get XM because I want 357 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:38.599 to hear what Opie and Anthony are doing. But I got XM. I 358 00:24:38.640 --> 00:24:41.519 was listening to Opie and Anthony and I was listening to Howard. I was 359 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:44.480 doing my college radio show, you know, once a week at like four 360 00:24:44.480 --> 00:24:49.039 o'clock in the morning on the college station. And I started sending out packages 361 00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:59.160 in September to every radio station in New York in preparation for the next summer, 362 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:00.559 so saying like, I'm in Syricus right now, I just got back 363 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:03.920 here, but this summer I'll be out of my you know, I'll be 364 00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:07.680 at home for the summer, and I want to intern at a radio station. 365 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:11.599 So I had a big package with my resume and my cover letter and 366 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:15.119 a CD with all my bits that I had done on the radio and everything 367 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:18.599 and all this stuff, and I sent a list of radio stations in New 368 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:22.400 York and I sent a whole batch of the Mountain in September, and then 369 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:26.519 I did it again in November, and then in like February, and then 370 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.079 like throughout the year. So they would go, Okay, you know, 371 00:25:30.319 --> 00:25:34.039 somebody's going to get back to me, and nobody did. And finally, 372 00:25:36.039 --> 00:25:40.279 I mean in May. I started this process in September. In May, 373 00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:45.240 right before I was going to get out, I got one callback from the 374 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:48.440 whole process, and it was from Opie and Anthony, which was like a 375 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:52.240 dream come true because, like I said, it was my favorite radio show 376 00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:53.640 before I got thrown off the air, as you know, a high kid 377 00:25:53.640 --> 00:25:56.599 listening to Opie and Anthony the best. So I was like, okay, 378 00:25:56.680 --> 00:26:00.880 this is amazing. So I got the internet and so I went and I 379 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:03.839 interviewed with them and they were like, okay, sounds good. And I 380 00:26:03.880 --> 00:26:08.359 was in that internship class for that summer, so I fell in love with 381 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:14.759 it. I did pretty well as an intern. I kind of started to 382 00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:17.799 be woven into the fabric of the show a very little bit as much as 383 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:21.720 an intern can be, and just really got along with Open and Anthony and 384 00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:23.240 really got along with their crew, and you know, I was just this 385 00:26:23.319 --> 00:26:26.039 is I immediately knew this, this is what I want to do. I 386 00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:30.519 want to be here. I never want to leave. And they said, 387 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:33.039 well, we can keep you on another semester, but you're in Syracuse, 388 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:37.240 and I went, oh no, because it was also, like I said, 389 00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:38.599 they've been back on the air for a few months, which meant, 390 00:26:40.160 --> 00:26:41.920 you know, they're a new show. There might be openings, there could 391 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:49.039 change, right. So right before I went back to Syracuse that August I 392 00:26:49.160 --> 00:26:52.640 was like, Okay, maybe I'll drop out of school. My dad said, 393 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:53.640 you can drop out of school if you want, but you're gonna have 394 00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:56.839 to pay rent to live in my house. I'm not going to just put 395 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:00.559 you up. And I said, okay, well, Opie and Anthony, 396 00:27:00.559 --> 00:27:03.119 internships don't pay right now, so you know, I'm not going to be 397 00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:06.119 able to afford my dad's rent. I'm gonna have to go back to school. 398 00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:10.039 But what I did was I said I can't be there for two years, 399 00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:14.759 and I went through the course catalog and I went through every class that 400 00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:18.559 I had already taken, and just figured out, based on the classes I 401 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:23.519 had already taken, what classes could I take within one year, two semesters 402 00:27:23.960 --> 00:27:29.559 and get a degree, a degree AD degree just to graduate and I have 403 00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:33.720 a degree. And I went, oh, like I'd been interested in sociology 404 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:36.519 this whole time. And I was like, if I, yes, I 405 00:27:36.559 --> 00:27:41.880 could take two semesters and then maybe a couple of online classes and I could 406 00:27:41.880 --> 00:27:45.680 put together the basic requirements for a sociology degree and I could graduate Syracuse in 407 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:49.759 one year. And so so that's what I did. I went and you 408 00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:52.960 know, I didn't talk to an Advisor or anything. I just real quick, 409 00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:56.200 like, I mean a week before I went back to school, switched 410 00:27:56.440 --> 00:28:03.400 out of every film class, went into every sociology class, and kind of 411 00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:07.000 under everybody's nose, just switched over and got out of Syracuse within a year. 412 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:11.400 Whole time I was in Syracuse, going back and forth to New York 413 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:15.240 City as much as possible to kind of just show my face at Opie and 414 00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.519 Anthony. And then I worked for free for a while after I got out 415 00:28:18.519 --> 00:28:25.599 of Syracuse and eventually got hired there. Wow, and were you writing bits 416 00:28:25.640 --> 00:28:29.400 for them? And like how did you start to get woven into the creative 417 00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:33.680 aspect of that and actually get to get on the air. Yeah, I 418 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:37.240 mean I tried to provide as much value as I could based on what the 419 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:44.279 show needed. So, I mean it was really just about material and content, 420 00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:47.640 content content, So it was just finding like I would. I would 421 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:51.039 obviously I'd be there listening to the show, and if there was any sort 422 00:28:51.039 --> 00:28:55.359 of topic that the guys seemed super interested in or they just really got on 423 00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:57.079 a roll on, I would say, Okay, how can I expand this? 424 00:28:57.119 --> 00:29:00.839 Like is there some kind of audio clippers, there's some kind of bit 425 00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:04.480 I could make ers there's something we could do to expand this topic because the 426 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:08.279 guy's obviously like this topic. Or I would go home and watch TV and 427 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:11.119 I go, is there something we can goof on on the radio? Here 428 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:15.000 is there's something we can do? Like, you know, one weekend, 429 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:21.039 I was in my room all weekend and I recorded the Basic Cable version of 430 00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:23.240 Fast Times at Ridgemont High. And then I got my DVD of Fast Times 431 00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:27.960 at Ridgemont High, and I took every curse word that was edited to something 432 00:29:29.000 --> 00:29:33.240 else on Basic Cable and compared it with the actual curse word and then handed 433 00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:37.319 that as like a disk, like listen to the ridiculous things that they replaced 434 00:29:37.319 --> 00:29:40.599 curse words with. And you know, and that made the air and it 435 00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:44.319 made my day that that made the air. Or if there was some event 436 00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:48.640 going on in New York, whatever it was, I would grab a microphone 437 00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:51.119 and go out and try to get some kind of man on the street audio, 438 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:53.559 some find some angle while I was out there, and or find some 439 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:57.119 character or something that I could bring back to the show. Or you know, 440 00:29:57.279 --> 00:30:03.519 really whatever the show need, it just develop as much material as I 441 00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:11.440 possibly could. And uh, you know, initially because somebody here, here's 442 00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:14.200 your voice. They don't say, man, that guy's got a set of 443 00:30:14.240 --> 00:30:18.279 pipes on him. So so yeah, so initially, I mean, was 444 00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:22.920 that a big obstacle for you? I mean, yeah, it was ridiculous 445 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:26.880 because that's what you do on the air, that's what they hear, that's 446 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.359 your your product. Yeah, especially when I was younger, I think, 447 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.839 you know, my voice is matured a little bit, but it still doesn't 448 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.799 sound like a broadcaster, a traditional broadcaster anyway. And and yeah, it 449 00:30:37.839 --> 00:30:41.200 never has it sounded even less like a broadcaster before. And that's it was 450 00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:45.119 kind of an ongoing joke. It worked fine on Opie and Anthony because the 451 00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:49.160 first bit they had about me was how you know, ridiculous my voice sounded 452 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.640 and words I would say and everything. But yeah, I mean, like 453 00:30:53.039 --> 00:31:00.559 up until it was years ago, but you know, there was a Entertainment 454 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.799 Weekly was was gonna have a channel on Sirius XM. And at that point 455 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.599 I was kind of trying to graduate on from being a producer on Opie and 456 00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:11.960 Anthony and find my own thing. And I went through auditions to be a 457 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:15.480 host on the Entertainment weekly channel and everything was good and the content was right, 458 00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.880 and I had, you know, at that point, I was I 459 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:21.799 was a grizzled veteran, so I knew how to handle anything. And I 460 00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:23.759 went through all these auditions and everything was looking good and the guy was gonna 461 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.759 run. It was like, yeah, you're gonna it's really like compromising. 462 00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:30.400 Yeah, the boss that serious likes you. Yeah, everybody likes you. 463 00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:36.079 And then at the very last minute they were like, look, I shouldn't 464 00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:40.440 be telling you this, but the guy that works at the magazine he doesn't 465 00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:44.880 like the sound of your voice. I was like, what, he don't 466 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:48.079 like the sound of your voice? It's not you know, I'm sorry man 467 00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:51.720 there, and I go out, well, there's nothing I can do about 468 00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:55.359 the sound of my voice. All I can do is create content that's worth 469 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:59.680 hearing regardless. But yeah, so, I mean I always kind of knew 470 00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:07.359 that I wasn't destined for the sort of like a Ryan Seacrest kind of broadcastery 471 00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:09.759 thing where you like, I knew I couldn't be a presenter, you know. 472 00:32:09.799 --> 00:32:14.000 I think that that's a whole separate art, and I have a profound 473 00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:16.839 respect for it, but I don't have the natural gifts. I can't be 474 00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:21.480 a football player. I can't be a pro wrestler, I can't be a 475 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:25.240 presenter, but there are other things that I can do with my voice that 476 00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:30.319 I think somebody with a great basic broadcastere voice probably couldn't get away with. 477 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:32.640 Yeah, and you know the whole thing. And this is why I felt 478 00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:37.160 my my entire life. I mean, I always hated the announcer voice guy, 479 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:43.119 you know, and now it's time for another edition of Prime Time was 480 00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:46.839 you know? I hated the people had voices like that. The reason I 481 00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:52.000 think, the reason I have pipes now still is the events center. You 482 00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:54.759 know, when you sit in a chair for you know, five days and 483 00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:59.240 eight nine hours a week and Howard Finkel calls you and tells you got to 484 00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:04.599 do twenty markets over because the Berserker got hurt. You know, it just 485 00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:08.799 got seasoned. You know that, you just But I've always fought against that. 486 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:13.720 And the reason I say that is because it's to me, it's always 487 00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:17.880 been about personality, Like talk to me and your personality. So it doesn't 488 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:23.039 matter what your voice sounds like. People become if they like you, it 489 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:28.279 becomes an endearing part of you, you know. So I like that my 490 00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:31.119 voice, like most of me, is not very conventional. It's not something 491 00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:36.240 I don't I've never been insecure about it. Like I think that it actually 492 00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:39.599 kind of develops a connection with people a little bit easier than if you just 493 00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:45.319 you know, the voice of the narrator or the voice of the announcer. 494 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:50.160 I don't think people really develop a connection with it. It's just like any 495 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:53.599 other piece of this machine that's being presented to you, and you're waiting for 496 00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:58.559 the thing that you can relate to. And I feel like when when you 497 00:33:58.599 --> 00:34:00.400 hear somebody like me or a lot of the people that I've worked with, 498 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:05.240 you hear the voice of a human being, and that's the voice that you 499 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.079 would hear if you were hanging out with this human being socially. You'd be 500 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:10.440 like, Yeah, that's what it would sound like. And I think that 501 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:16.119 that that has its own merits absolutely. And and so when you're you're on 502 00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:21.199 this journey back then and you're an associate producer, I think that was one 503 00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:23.519 of the first things you did with them, probably not making much money, 504 00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:28.679 but it sounds like you had a vision here and and uh, you know 505 00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:31.480 there's people out there that I you hear I'm sure all the time that tell 506 00:34:31.559 --> 00:34:34.719 me like, how do I get into you know, I'm like, you 507 00:34:34.760 --> 00:34:37.440 just don't give up? I mean, yes, whatever? And And was 508 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:43.159 that what it was like for you as as other opportunities came along, because 509 00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:45.239 nobody's gonna come up to you and say, hey, uh, you know, 510 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:49.519 let's see, you're an associate prouser here on the on this show here 511 00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:52.800 you ever thought about get in front of the mic yourself or doing a show? 512 00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:55.320 You know, so all this time, are you, you know, 513 00:34:55.360 --> 00:35:00.559 thinking about doing more and not being behind the mic? Literally? I mean 514 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:05.159 on the other side, was that always the focus? You know? I 515 00:35:05.199 --> 00:35:07.880 always thinking that you wanted to be that one of those personalities. Oh, 516 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:10.360 absolutely, yes, definitely. And it was one of those things of just 517 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:14.719 never giving up. And I always thought, you know, like I thought 518 00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:15.920 that, Okay, I'm an associate producer on this show, and then a 519 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:21.760 producer and then executive producer, and it's like this is you know, to 520 00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:27.559 get the opportunity to be a character a personality on a show as big as 521 00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:31.400 Opie and Anthony. It was always important to me to provide value in the 522 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:36.719 position that I'm in, Like, I never really wanted to overstep the position 523 00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:38.519 that I was in. I never really wanted to feel like it was a 524 00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:45.360 stepping stone, but I was always very clear that I wanted to be the 525 00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:50.159 host of a show. I wanted to develop my own material and be my 526 00:35:50.239 --> 00:35:53.280 own host. At the same time, very happy, you know, you 527 00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:58.440 know, to be a part of this big show that provided me this incredible 528 00:35:58.639 --> 00:36:01.800 exposure very very early in my career. Like you know, there's no substitute 529 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:05.760 for having that level of exposure. But I think that you also have to 530 00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:08.559 realize that, you know, you're not here to be the star, You're 531 00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:14.280 here to put the stars up on a pedestal. That said, when I 532 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:17.800 would do bits for Opie and Anthony, absolutely if I could figure out a 533 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:21.639 way that I would be included in on that bit. If I was going 534 00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:24.400 to present them audio, I would present them audio that maybe I could be 535 00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:29.199 an expert on so I could explain to them the audio that was being presented. 536 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:34.400 Maybe I you know, use my voice to develop characters and and you 537 00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:37.719 know, create characters and pre produced bits. At the same time, while 538 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:42.480 I was doing Opie and Anthony, I was doing other shows. They had 539 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:46.320 a channel to themselves at the time on XM. So you know, me 540 00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:51.159 and another guy that I worked with started doing a show, you know, 541 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.960 one Saturday a month from midnight to three am. It was like, Okay, 542 00:36:55.039 --> 00:36:59.679 now I've established that this is also something I do. And then eventually 543 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.440 it was two Saturdays a month, and then it was nine pm to midnight, 544 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:07.639 and then it was this thing that I mean, over years, it 545 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:14.159 just kind of rolled and rolled and rolled, until you know, eventually I 546 00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:21.039 started getting opportunities and finally started to get seen in a light where people thought 547 00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:24.000 at Sirious and elsewhere, thought that I was ready to kind of stand out 548 00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:28.599 on my own. Yeah, and you know along the way, you have 549 00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:32.440 this love for wrestling. Yeah, when did that start to become a part 550 00:37:32.519 --> 00:37:37.679 of it? When you were still doing all this stuff with Sirius XM. 551 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:43.360 Yeah, were you doing any I don't know, radio shows or anything that 552 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:49.199 had to do with wrestling. There were things. Yeah, it was first 553 00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.920 when I realized that WWE would hold press conferences, and at the time they 554 00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.039 would do it like the WrestleMania Press Conference would be at the hard Rock Cafe 555 00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:58.119 in Times Square or whatever, you know what I mean. They would have 556 00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:01.320 events like that, and it was like a couple of years into being on 557 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:06.480 Opie and Anthony that I was like, oh, I could go to the 558 00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:10.719 press conferences and get interviews Like it was like blowing my mind, Like yeah, 559 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:14.599 and that's a legitimate thing, Like I work on a radio show. 560 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:16.280 If the interviews are good, will play the audio on the air, Like 561 00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:22.519 this is actually what they're designed for. Start, Yeah it is. Yeah, 562 00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:24.760 I don't have to sneak in. I don't have to like like, 563 00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:28.559 oh you work for who have to put on? You don't have to wear 564 00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.519 a hat with a little card and that says press. Yeah. It was 565 00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:34.840 blowing. So I started doing stuff like that, and that's where I really 566 00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:40.079 started getting wrestling interviews right and incorporating it into what I was doing, you 567 00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:45.599 know, with o Anda and with Serious XM, and very early on, 568 00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:51.079 I would do you know, kind of bits like the first one of the 569 00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:55.760 earlier bits that I did with Opie and Anthony that was recurring was when Vince 570 00:38:55.840 --> 00:39:01.239 McMahon's limo blew up on Monday Night Raw, and they treated it so seriously, 571 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:04.199 and it was, you know, it was all a little bit tongue 572 00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:07.400 in cheek, but clearly as a storyline they were taking it seriously. So 573 00:39:07.519 --> 00:39:10.480 I went in on the air and you know, like Opie and Anthony, 574 00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:14.119 they'd be like, Sam, what's this thing that happened on Monday night Raw 575 00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:15.119 last night? And I was like, guys, it's not really funny, 576 00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:22.000 but Vince passed away and they were like, what Vince unfortunately passed away and 577 00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:25.519 his limo blew up and they are looking for the culprit, and like just 578 00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:31.679 played it completely straight the entire time, you know, throughout the week, 579 00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:37.119 like WWE dot com was getting updated with storyline updates. So I would go 580 00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:40.639 in on the radio show that was not a wrestling radio show and presented as, 581 00:39:40.639 --> 00:39:45.000 hey, guys, there's good news. There is some information that's being 582 00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:49.760 leaked out right now. The investigation is ongoing. But and so you know, 583 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:52.400 at that point, you know, the audience started to get really familiar 584 00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:55.320 with the fact that I was I was, you know, wrestling obsessed, 585 00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:02.079 and yeah, it allowed me to start to incre bread my passion for wrestling 586 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:08.199 into my job. Yeah, and start growing an audience, yes, exactly, 587 00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:10.800 and and yeah, and that's always been kind of a big thing. 588 00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:15.840 Like as as I got older, like as I entered into adulthood, it 589 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.079 was like, you know, it's okay to still have these obsessions that you 590 00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:23.840 had when you were a kid, but they really have to fit into what 591 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:27.719 you do, like they have to fit into what you do for a living, 592 00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.880 like they can't. Yeah, I've never liked the idea of being one 593 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:36.480 of those sort of you know, weekend warrior guys where I'm stuck at this 594 00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:40.719 dead end job and i just watch wrestling and I feel like I've got to 595 00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:46.920 incorporated all together into one thing, and and and that's just how I figured 596 00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:52.000 it out. But when did it start to really get serious though that this 597 00:40:52.119 --> 00:40:57.320 was going to be another major part of your life as far as you know, 598 00:40:57.559 --> 00:41:00.079 as a job really, I mean it would be come that as well. 599 00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:04.840 Yeah, I think for me it was so when I started going to 600 00:41:04.880 --> 00:41:10.079 the WWE press conferences, I would kind of be asking half wacky questions that 601 00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:14.239 I was trying to get on the air on Opie and Anthony's show because that 602 00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:20.320 was the intent and then for them right right, which is again not a 603 00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:24.880 wrestling show. But I was like, at one point, I was like, 604 00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:30.079 well what if I just and I brought one of the guys with me 605 00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:34.800 to video and I just did Really, I asked these guys questions that I 606 00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:36.760 wanted to know, like, as a wrestling fan, what if I just 607 00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:39.039 did some wrestling interviews with these guys, and if I happen to get some 608 00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:43.440 audio for O and A, I'll get some audio for O Anda, or 609 00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:46.079 maybe I'll go like, okay, like one guy over here, I'll get 610 00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.559 some stuff for the radio show. But while I'm here, what if I 611 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:55.559 just interviewed everybody I had access to and and I got them on camera and 612 00:41:55.599 --> 00:42:00.559 everything, and I just uploaded. And this was before podcasts were I don't 613 00:42:00.599 --> 00:42:02.960 even know if podcasts were around, but it was definitely before they were big, 614 00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.400 and it was before people were really doing a lot of wrestling interviews on 615 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:13.599 YouTube as well. And it started to catch on with wrestling fans. It 616 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:17.880 started to develop into a thing where it wasn't radio fans watching this, it 617 00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:22.159 was wrestling fans that were watching. And I'd go up and I'd ask all 618 00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:25.039 the wrestlers, what's the HAPs and then and then I'd asked them a couple 619 00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:30.519 of wrestling questions, and it was like people were really starting to dig that 620 00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:32.920 content. And so I did that for a while. And then when I 621 00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:38.039 was doing my own shows outside of Opie and Anthony on Sirius XM. I 622 00:42:38.039 --> 00:42:43.039 would try to get you know, wrestlers here and there to maybe do an 623 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:45.760 interview on my show with me, and I got to do that here and 624 00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:51.239 there, and then eventually, yeah, like five years ago, I was 625 00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:54.079 like, okay, I'm doing all these interviews for YouTube, because that's where 626 00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:57.000 it got to like I was like, Okay, I'm doing all these wrestling 627 00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:00.800 interviews for YouTube and seeing if there's spots to sneak in on the radio. 628 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:05.039 What if I'd added a wrestling podcast and these and these interviews that I keep 629 00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:08.079 doing, what if I just made them a little bit more frequent and I 630 00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:13.800 put them out as a podcast every week? And and that's why I did 631 00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:16.239 that. Were you getting big numbers on YouTube at that time? With the 632 00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:20.840 yeah, yeah, I was doing Yeah, I was doing well on YouTube, 633 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:22.519 especially for the time. You know, I don't know if you went 634 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:27.320 back and go and go and by today's standards, you know, are they 635 00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:30.199 earth shattering? I don't know about that, But for the time and for 636 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:32.880 me, they were really good, and people were and they were really resonating. 637 00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:38.239 And I remember actually the first person that I recall from within the business 638 00:43:39.119 --> 00:43:45.920 to acknowledge what I was doing on social media was Paul Hayman. And this 639 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:49.719 was Paul Hayman was not at WWE at the time. This was, you 640 00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:52.760 know, one of the times where he was outside of WWS before he'd come 641 00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:55.639 back. And I had put up a montage of me asking what's the HAPs 642 00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:00.360 to a bunch of WWE guys at one of the WrestleMania press count princes, 643 00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:04.679 and Paul Hayman, you know, put it up on his Twitter. I 644 00:44:04.679 --> 00:44:07.039 didn't know him. He just somebody had it alerted him to the video, 645 00:44:07.079 --> 00:44:10.119 I guess, and he thought it was funny and he posted it and I 646 00:44:10.199 --> 00:44:14.920 was like, oh my' like I was it, Oh my god? Right 647 00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:20.920 and yeah, and and that was one of the early sort of first things. 648 00:44:21.719 --> 00:44:24.639 So when did the WWE ever, what was like the first recognition you 649 00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:30.079 got from them? Um, So, you know, the more stuff I 650 00:44:30.119 --> 00:44:32.920 was doing, the more it was like the publicists knew who I was, 651 00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:37.239 the superstars knew who I was because I'd be at everything, I mean, 652 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:38.960 everything I could get to. I would be there. If they were doing 653 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:42.239 a radio row, I would travel to it. If they were doing a 654 00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:45.239 press conference, I would be there everything, everything, everything, And I 655 00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:50.079 mean it's not that different now. But but everything I could be at I 656 00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:53.079 would be. And you had another job too, They're expecting you to show 657 00:44:53.159 --> 00:44:57.239 up too, right, right, So it would be like and again, 658 00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.360 luckily I was in New York. Yeah, there was a lot of to 659 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:05.840 do both. And yeah, and I wouldn't. I was never missing my 660 00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:09.400 day job obviously for it, but any opportunity I could possibly get, I 661 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:14.239 would do it. And also I was getting the content out there, and 662 00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:16.760 the guys were starting to become aware of the content there. At the time, 663 00:45:16.760 --> 00:45:21.320 there weren't that many people working in radio that we're also wrestling fans. 664 00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:24.559 So when the guys would come in and do interviews, I would actually we 665 00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:28.880 would be able to talk about wrestling in a real way. And I'm sure 666 00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:31.960 you know you're aware from doing the podcast. The guys who do media a 667 00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:36.480 lot, they would tend to, especially then, get really relieved when it 668 00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:38.880 was like, oh, I don't have to like do the sort of schlocky 669 00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:43.760 morning show where they have no idea who I am or what I'm talking about. 670 00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:46.320 Like, actually, just sit here and talk wrestling. This is great. 671 00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:50.960 So that stuff started to happen, and then I started to make friends, 672 00:45:51.639 --> 00:45:57.519 you know, within the wrestling industry, and I started popping in to 673 00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.320 do various things on like independent shows, and you know, do commentary on 674 00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:04.800 this show, do a little stick on that show, just to I just 675 00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:08.360 started emailing independent promoters, just because I wanted to do stuff, not wrestle, 676 00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:12.840 but just do stuff on shows and go and be a part of the 677 00:46:12.840 --> 00:46:16.800 world in whatever way I could be. Um. Yeah, and then and 678 00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:22.000 you know, I had made some friends at WWE two. Eventually I did 679 00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:30.119 a broadcaster audition in Stanford at WWE, which I got zero callback from no 680 00:46:30.320 --> 00:46:36.280 no callback whatsoever, no interest room. Yeah, no, yeah, yeah, 681 00:46:36.320 --> 00:46:38.960 yeah. I realized. I realized that I had gotten the audition I 682 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:43.440 think as a favor to somebody who liked me, because I don't I don't, 683 00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:45.239 you know, I just don't think that that was ever. But whatever, 684 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.159 All things happen in the right time for the right reason. Really, 685 00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.320 Yeah, you look at this, Look at this, say I'm this timeline 686 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:58.480 on this, and uh, you know, you worked your ass off for 687 00:46:58.199 --> 00:47:02.519 a good decade there and then I mean things really start to happen with twenty 688 00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:07.840 fourteen, twenty fifteen, and look we're talking four years that, Uh, 689 00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:12.559 this all just has blown up. I mean in terms of uh, you 690 00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.360 know, like the king of all media here for when it comes to uh 691 00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:21.159 wrestling and with the podcast, I mean you start that about then, right, 692 00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:23.840 and it's I think it's initially Sam Roberts Wrestling podcast now not Sam. 693 00:47:23.880 --> 00:47:30.760 But yeah, it's not like I guess, an overnight success in a lot 694 00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:32.920 of ways. But was that like all of a sudden it just started the 695 00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:37.119 snowball. I mean, all this work and then it just started a roll? 696 00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:43.000 Um, I don't A lot has happened over the last four years for 697 00:47:43.039 --> 00:47:46.679 you, Yes, and a lot started clicking. But I also feel like 698 00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:52.559 it's not like I worked my ass off for the first ten and then in 699 00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:55.440 the last four I've been able to kind of just enjoy that. It's like, 700 00:47:55.559 --> 00:48:00.880 you know, I've been working even harder in the last four What the 701 00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:06.639 results are there? And like the last few years as the results of just 702 00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:08.079 like yeah, man, you know, yes, and I'm getting to live 703 00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:10.840 you know, all these things that I dreamed about, you know, I 704 00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:16.920 was doing. You know, I think at this point four years ago and 705 00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:21.519 four and a half to five years ago, I got the opportunity to launch 706 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:24.760 my own solo show on Sirius XM. Sam Roberts Show, and I did 707 00:48:24.760 --> 00:48:28.960 that for about a year and a half and it was like one of the 708 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:30.360 greatest times in my life. You know. I was on from nine to 709 00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:35.159 midnight every night, you know, and just figuring it out, just on 710 00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:38.159 an island by myself, making it work, and you know, created this 711 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:42.519 little monster of a show, and I just loved it. And it got 712 00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.960 to the point where Sirius came to me and they were like, look, 713 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:49.000 you know, we want to do a morning show. We want to keep 714 00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.239 Jim Norton on board. Do you like Jim, you know, we want 715 00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:53.360 to do more with you. What do you think of doing a show with 716 00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:57.119 Jim? And I was like, I love Jim. I've known Jim forever 717 00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:00.320 and you know, he's one of the funniest, if not the funniest Blue 718 00:49:00.400 --> 00:49:04.760 radio So yeah, I mean that's that's a no brainer. So you know, 719 00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:07.519 serious, we talk about it, you know, we figure things out, 720 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:12.119 and they put myself and Jim Norton on the air in the mornings three 721 00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.599 years ago. And right around the same time, I get a phone call 722 00:49:15.679 --> 00:49:20.679 from Michael Cole who says, hey, Sam, uh, you know I've 723 00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:22.480 been working on doing something like this for a long time, but we want 724 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:25.519 to get an outsider's perspective on some of these kickoff shows that we do. 725 00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:30.000 Uh, would you want to come by and do a kickoff show for one 726 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.239 of the next few pay per views? And I was like, yeah, 727 00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.800 if you fall down and pick the phone back up, yeah exactly. It 728 00:49:37.920 --> 00:49:39.800 was like, yes, yes, I want to come by and do one 729 00:49:39.840 --> 00:49:45.480 of the next give me a sec yes, yes, yes I do. 730 00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:51.119 Um yeah, And that's kind of where this sort of most recent chapter really 731 00:49:51.159 --> 00:49:54.440 began. Yeah, you know it's there. There are a ton of god 732 00:49:55.280 --> 00:50:00.599 who can even count how many wrestling podcasts are out there. And when I 733 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:05.239 first listen to your podcast, I had no idea about you. I didn't 734 00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:07.039 know anything about your background. And I told like, initially I hear you 735 00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:09.840 and I hear your voice. I'm like, oh boy, but I'm I 736 00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:14.840 listen, you know, I mean, I listen and you got me. 737 00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:20.440 And I'll tell you the thing that I enjoy the most. Uh. You 738 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:22.639 know, I know that the guys like to come on because not you can 739 00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:28.679 you can talk wrestling. They talk wrestling all the time, but you have 740 00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:31.280 that way about you. You can call it a gift or whatever. But 741 00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:37.920 it is a conversation and you learn about them as people. And I'm telling 742 00:50:37.000 --> 00:50:40.480 that's what even though you know, you get the latest of what their angle 743 00:50:40.559 --> 00:50:45.599 is, their storyline, whatever's going on. But I am always in when 744 00:50:45.760 --> 00:50:50.440 you learn more about a person, because that's what intrigues you, and then 745 00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:53.960 it certainly intrigues me. And I don't I don't imagine that's anything you've worked 746 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:57.880 on. I just have a feeling that's kind of just the way you are. 747 00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:02.559 Yeah, man, Yeah, I really appreciate you saying that. Yeah, 748 00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:09.599 I think it just comes from my really natural curiosity. I'm really interested 749 00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:16.320 in people, especially when they're doing something that I admire or that is something 750 00:51:16.320 --> 00:51:20.480 that they've been working on for years, or I think, you know, 751 00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:28.199 I'm endlessly interested in people's stories and their thought processes. And I mean, 752 00:51:28.199 --> 00:51:35.719 you know, wrestling is such a strange world that you know, I could 753 00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:40.880 I could talk and hear every single professional wrestler's story for the rest of my 754 00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:45.480 life and never be bored. Like I just I'm interested in them. I 755 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:50.960 have a very natural curiosity, and I think about that, what am I 756 00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:55.320 curious about? And you know, if I didn't have access to interview this 757 00:51:55.400 --> 00:52:02.000 person, what would I want me to be asking about right now and so 758 00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:07.440 And that's kind of you know, that's that's kind of where I come from, 759 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:09.039 like the kind I mean, if you were to say, that's the 760 00:52:09.039 --> 00:52:13.400 philosophy of the show, and you know, that's the same thing with my 761 00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:16.400 podcast and I you know, I don't know if I was fifty episodes in, 762 00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:21.360 but I'd always have people you know, email me or you know, 763 00:52:21.760 --> 00:52:23.760 send me a message about you know, I just never knew that much about 764 00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:30.360 them. They're just really learning about their lives and so inspiring. And then 765 00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:31.760 I kind of realized, you know what, that's what this is about. 766 00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:37.239 It's not even so much learning about their careers, which of course we cover 767 00:52:37.320 --> 00:52:40.480 and talk about, but if you think about it, and even too, 768 00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:44.159 it's true to this day, no matter how they travel this road, this 769 00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:47.719 is one of the toughest businesses ever. Yeah, you know, next entertainment, 770 00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:52.400 but it is a part of it. But these guys, you know 771 00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:57.639 too, pretty much to a person, women too, that they come from 772 00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:01.199 these places where it wasn't easy and it wasn't an easy path. You come 773 00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:06.760 into this thing with everybody telling you what are you kidding? You'll never make 774 00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.039 it, and they have to somehow get past that. And then along the 775 00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:14.480 way from people that are their peers, their professionals telling them you aren't good 776 00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:21.119 enough, and they're just really inspirational and uh, you know, and learning 777 00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:23.280 about their lives is uh, you know, it's fascinating. And I think 778 00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:30.000 that today even more so because the business has changed so much. It kind 779 00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:34.280 of reminds me of uh, you know, say from the Major League Baseball 780 00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:37.400 players back in the day. These guys are riding the subway to the ballpark, 781 00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:40.519 and now it's that's whare wrestling was. I mean, these guys were, 782 00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:44.559 you know, driving around cars and beat up old you know, making 783 00:53:44.880 --> 00:53:50.239 fifty bucks some weeks, you know, getting gas and now it's gone into 784 00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:54.519 now it's it's rockstar and it's uh, it's it's really it's just so fascinating 785 00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:59.239 to hear about people's lives from from both sides of that. Yeah, I 786 00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:01.320 really agree, And I think too, like the thing about wrestling is that 787 00:54:01.360 --> 00:54:06.920 there is so much coverage of it now, you know, people giving the 788 00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.639 scoops and talking about what's really going on in the motivations and blah blah blah. 789 00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:15.400 I think it is so much more endlessly interesting to just get the perspective 790 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:19.599 of somebody who's living it. What is your life like living it, you 791 00:54:19.639 --> 00:54:22.400 know, and what do you do when you're not living it? And what 792 00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.199 do you do day to day? And how do you handle the fact that 793 00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:30.280 I don't think people realize how mentally taxing this thing is. How do you 794 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:32.960 handle that part of it? You know? How do you eat enough to 795 00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:37.960 keep the calories that you need to work out properly to gain the muscle mass? 796 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:43.000 Like, there is so many different angles to hit this from. And 797 00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:46.840 I mean I also think that even today, with as much visibility as pro 798 00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:53.079 wrestling has and as as as smart as people are in general to what the 799 00:54:53.159 --> 00:55:00.360 business is, I still think that that pro wrestlers are treated so unfairly when 800 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:07.079 it comes to the basic understanding of what they do. And I think there 801 00:55:07.159 --> 00:55:12.559 is still such a condescension to the industry as a whole from people that are 802 00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:15.039 outside of it that, you know, if I can have some kind of 803 00:55:15.119 --> 00:55:22.199 record of anybody getting to know these superstars as the human beings that they are 804 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:27.679 and just a little bit of you know, because they have to be amazing 805 00:55:27.719 --> 00:55:30.599 people to pull it off on any kind of long term basis. Oh my 806 00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:34.480 god. Yes, you know, if you can get any sort of inkling 807 00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:37.920 of that, then I feel like that's a good thing. Yeah. Well, 808 00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:39.159 and you look at them like you just said, all the things you 809 00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:45.440 have to have. Not only do you have to be an incredible physical specimen 810 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:47.360 these days, I mean it's rare that you can be, you know, 811 00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:52.599 like are Dusty Rhodes, you know, and make it. You have to 812 00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:57.840 be an incredible physical specimen. You have to be incredibly athletic. I can't 813 00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:02.119 even believe what these guys do today in the ring, uh and still are 814 00:56:02.159 --> 00:56:06.719 able to do it night after night. And then you have to be able 815 00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:08.599 to get You have to be really good in front of a camera and a 816 00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:13.519 mic, you know. And then on top of all that, then you 817 00:56:13.599 --> 00:56:17.440 have to somehow be the The final thing is just be received by an audience 818 00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:23.159 that likes you. And that is that is the Nobody knows what that is. 819 00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:25.880 You know what it is. You just know when it happens. But 820 00:56:27.079 --> 00:56:31.119 thank god there are people like Dwayne Johnson and Steve Austin and these other guys 821 00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:35.719 that have gone on. Uh. You know, I mentioned the rock because 822 00:56:35.800 --> 00:56:38.039 you know, look where he is, he's the most famous entertainer in the 823 00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:43.719 world now. But I think people are starting to see in many ways what 824 00:56:43.920 --> 00:56:47.159 these how what incredible into entertainers these guys are, because you know, these 825 00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:50.760 guys will show up on a set and somebody would hand him a script and 826 00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:52.920 they've been in there what trailer for ten minutes, say okay, let's go. 827 00:56:53.440 --> 00:56:54.960 Yeah, you know, I mean, you know what I mean, 828 00:56:54.960 --> 00:57:00.440 because they're so used to going out and doing a five minute monologue and nailing 829 00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:05.679 it live in front of you know, twenty five thirty thousand people. So 830 00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:09.400 they really are the ones that you know that have been really successful at this 831 00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:13.519 have all of that. But at the same time, even to be at 832 00:57:13.519 --> 00:57:19.760 a level like NXT or you know, SmackDown or even aw now You've got 833 00:57:19.880 --> 00:57:23.039 you are really among the elite entertainers with it with with that much of a 834 00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:29.199 package. Absolutely right, Yeah, I mean it's it's it's incredible. Yeah, 835 00:57:29.280 --> 00:57:32.039 it's just so um, you know, interview just about everybody, I 836 00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:36.559 imagine at this point, who are some of your favorites that really stand out? 837 00:57:36.679 --> 00:57:40.119 Maybe a particular interview or a guy you just like having come back like 838 00:57:40.199 --> 00:57:46.599 the miss Um. Yeah, I enjoy the repertoire or the rapport. I 839 00:57:46.639 --> 00:57:52.159 should say that that the Mizzen I have we can never get on the same 840 00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:54.599 page. But it's great though. The banters, you know, yeah, 841 00:57:54.679 --> 00:58:00.280 we always end up as this close to walking right right, which I like, 842 00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:05.400 which I liked m but you know, I actually just very recently on 843 00:58:05.480 --> 00:58:10.480 the podcast did an interview with Baron Corbyn that I really really enjoyed. I've 844 00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:15.840 done a couple of interviews with Daniel Bryan that I've really really enjoyed. Adam 845 00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:22.280 Cole from NXT is somebody that I love having on the podcast. I had 846 00:58:23.480 --> 00:58:30.119 Jeff Jared on a little while back and I thought he was absolutely phenomenal and 847 00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:35.920 we kind of went in depth his entire first WWE run and in detail and 848 00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:40.440 it was just awesome. Um So guys like that have all been really pretty 849 00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:45.599 uh spectacular. I did you know. One of the ones that surprised me 850 00:58:45.880 --> 00:58:51.800 was, luckily before he passed, I did an interview with the Ultimate Warrior 851 00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:54.320 that was about I don't know, it ended up being about eleven minutes, 852 00:58:54.400 --> 00:58:59.559 but it was at one of the video game things and I found out about 853 00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:02.719 it at the last minute. I knew it was in New York and I 854 00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:05.880 was like, oh my god, but it was that day. It was 855 00:59:05.920 --> 00:59:10.400 that afternoon. So I'm with my friend Roland, who works at Sirious as 856 00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:14.119 a talent booker, and I'm like, rolland can you find out who the 857 00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:15.719 publicist is running this thing. Let's go down there, Let's get an inter 858 00:59:15.800 --> 00:59:20.199 let's see what we could do. Let's get there. And so he ended 859 00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:22.000 up making some calls. I was sending some emails to people that I knew, 860 00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:25.280 and we found out okay, yeah, come on down, you can 861 00:59:25.320 --> 00:59:28.960 interview the video game creator or whatever. I was like, whatever, just 862 00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:30.199 to get in the door, let's do it. And so we got in 863 00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:35.119 there and the Warrior was there and he really wasn't doing interviews and I was 864 00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:39.000 like, I just I will plug whatever game you want me to plug, 865 00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:42.360 wherever you want me to plug it. I'll do it on the radio. 866 00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:45.239 Whatever you need, you will get. I will make sure your information gets 867 00:59:45.239 --> 00:59:51.920 out there. I just need fifteen seconds with the Ultimate Warrior. All I 868 00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:53.719 want to do is ask him what's the HAPs? I just need his reaction 869 00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:57.920 to I swear to God, that's the only question. Hey, what's the 870 00:59:57.960 --> 01:00:01.280 HAPs? And that's it all. Right, let me talk to Okay, 871 01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:04.719 all right, you can go and you can ask him one question, and 872 01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:08.280 I go, great, okay, fabulous, And I went in and I 873 01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:13.440 asked him what's the halves? And he was kind of annoyed, which is 874 01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:16.360 okay, you know, I done will be annoyed, and I was like, 875 01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:21.239 you know, it was annoyed at me several times, and we had 876 01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:23.559 this quick back and forth, but I looked around and nobody was wrapping me. 877 01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:28.159 There was nobody there, a sign or anything. So I just kind 878 01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:31.960 of started throwing questions at him and we ended up having this great conversation for 879 01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:36.679 ten to twelve minutes before I was like, okay, like this was supposed 880 01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:38.719 to be fifteen seconds and we've now gotte ten to twelve minutes. And I 881 01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:43.079 actually really enjoyed the conversation. I thanked him. He thanked me the whole 882 01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:47.000 thing like, and that was like, I don't know, that was probably 883 01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:51.960 May maybe I think it was right around the beginning of the summer. That 884 01:00:52.119 --> 01:00:57.239 August, the video game company had a media event around SummerSlam that I went 885 01:00:57.280 --> 01:01:00.199 to, and one of the things you could do was meet the Ultimate Warrior. 886 01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:02.280 They let the press meet the Ultimate Warrior and I'd gotten my interview all 887 01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:05.840 those months before. It was, you know, just ten to twelve minutes 888 01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:07.280 with the Warrior. I thought that was cool. And I was with my 889 01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:10.559 wife and I was like, Jess, like, let's get online to meet 890 01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:14.599 the Warrior. And it was really like I had already had my interaction with 891 01:01:14.639 --> 01:01:15.920 him, but I thought it would be funny to have a picture of my 892 01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:19.559 wife and the Ultimate Warrior together. I was like, it would be great. 893 01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:22.320 And so we wait on this line and again I haven't spoken to him, 894 01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:25.960 and I spoke to him for ten to twelve minutes months ago, and 895 01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:29.960 that's it. That's the only interaction we've ever had. And that's it. 896 01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:32.400 And so we're waiting on this line. He's taking pictures. He's taking pictures, 897 01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:35.760 he's taking pictures. You know, you've heard all these things about the 898 01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:38.119 Warrior, especially at that time, not easy to deal with this and that. 899 01:01:38.760 --> 01:01:43.400 And so the line comes up and I go hello, as if it's 900 01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:45.960 the first time we're meeting, because I don't want to embarrass him, and 901 01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:49.320 go like yeah, and he looks to me and he goes, hey, 902 01:01:49.400 --> 01:01:53.079 what's the halves? And I was like, oh my god, and he 903 01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:55.599 was like, I know what that was, but my daughter told me it 904 01:01:55.639 --> 01:01:59.360 was great, Bo, how are you Bob? And I was like the 905 01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:04.800 interview along with that interaction is really one of my favorite, one of my 906 01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:08.239 favorite things that has ever happened around the podcast. I mean, I don't, 907 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:09.960 I don't I think, you know, for a lot of people, 908 01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:14.519 it was just like cool attend an interview with the warrior. But all things 909 01:02:14.559 --> 01:02:17.800 considered and you know where they came from and everything, that's probably my favorite 910 01:02:17.840 --> 01:02:22.320 interaction, you know, And that's that was the thing about him though, 911 01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:23.960 And even when you work with him, it just you didn't know who you 912 01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:28.079 were going to get that day. You know that he wouldn't. I mean 913 01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:30.960 really I had some really great times with him. I mean we had great 914 01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:34.360 conversations, and then next time you see him, he wouldn't look up from 915 01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:37.920 the table. You know. It's like, but uh, I don't know 916 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:43.119 how long that was before his before he passed, But that's really awesome that, 917 01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:46.719 you know. And I think he was a very misunderstood guy, especially 918 01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:51.960 you know, coming into the WWF when he did. And Sam, if 919 01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:54.079 you, I'm sure you know your history of what it was like back then, 920 01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:58.199 Like when I came in. It was still these two worlds were colliding. 921 01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:00.800 We you know, people like me from the outside world. And then 922 01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:05.400 it was still old school and you walk into a locker room and they're talking 923 01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:07.880 Carney, you know, like the whole first year I was there. So 924 01:03:08.079 --> 01:03:12.400 you had somebody like the Warrior come in who was totally from another world like 925 01:03:12.440 --> 01:03:15.920 bodybuilding, and you know, he hated him from the second he arrived. 926 01:03:15.079 --> 01:03:22.679 He was just great looking, unbelievably the buff guy, and he was skyrocketing 927 01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:24.440 to fame. So you gotta, you know, take it from that point 928 01:03:24.440 --> 01:03:28.079 of view that they didn't make it easy for him either, so you can 929 01:03:28.159 --> 01:03:34.280 understand his resistance to you know, to you know, getting part of being 930 01:03:34.360 --> 01:03:37.599 part of that world too. Yeah, I would imagine that he probably has 931 01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:39.199 people in his ear saying like, look, you know, you're gonna be 932 01:03:39.239 --> 01:03:42.800 a star, you need to act like a star. And then you've got 933 01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:44.760 other people that are going like, who's this guy? Think he is walking 934 01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:46.239 around here like he's like he's a star all of a sudden, and you 935 01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:51.199 know, mixed signals happen that way, I think really quickly. Yeah, 936 01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:53.519 and that's you know, that's that's the way it was for him. But 937 01:03:53.639 --> 01:03:57.199 I think that you bring up the point though, you know, like a 938 01:03:57.239 --> 01:04:02.280 lot of these interviews, sometimes you really get surprised by people that you're thinking, 939 01:04:02.360 --> 01:04:04.599 oh, I don't know if this interview is going to be that great, 940 01:04:04.639 --> 01:04:08.199 and then they just blow the doors off, you know, And I've 941 01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:13.039 I've found that in many cases, especially when you interview guys that have you 942 01:04:13.119 --> 01:04:17.760 know, from my era and beyond who you know, done twenty shoot interviews. 943 01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:20.840 So I know they've got you know that they've got these stories and they 944 01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:24.320 can't help it. It's not like they want to tell the same story the 945 01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:29.119 exact same way, but they've told it so many times and that's what people 946 01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:31.159 want to hear. And so when I get them, I'm asking questions that 947 01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:35.239 they've I'm trying that they haven't really been asked, or take it from a 948 01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:38.519 different point of view. But there's a lot of a lot of them out 949 01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:41.480 there. They had great careers that they haven't done that many interviews. And 950 01:04:42.239 --> 01:04:46.480 it's slock on a month or so ago, and it was just a wonderful 951 01:04:46.519 --> 01:04:49.559 conversation with him because I know we talked about things that he hadn't talked about 952 01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:56.239 for you know, twenty five years and he just loved thinking back and we 953 01:04:56.360 --> 01:05:00.440 ended up I think we did two and a half hours. We also have 954 01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.480 such a great perspective, right, like you, It's one thing to do 955 01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:06.440 an interview with somebody that's watched wrestling, like you know, I all I 956 01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:09.920 can do is come from a fan perspective, So I can sit there and 957 01:05:09.960 --> 01:05:13.920 I can talk to people about what I assume it would have been like at 958 01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:16.639 that time and what my experience was watching it on TV and everything. But 959 01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:21.920 you, as a person who was there, you have a very unique perspective 960 01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:27.480 in terms of not only what to ask about, but what to expand on 961 01:05:27.599 --> 01:05:30.000 and kind of what things were really like. Yeah, and you know what 962 01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:35.039 else has been really fun for me because when it's happening, and you know, 963 01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:39.480 I hope that you are aware of this at this point in your career, 964 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:42.880 you know, you don't really take it in and there were you know, 965 01:05:42.960 --> 01:05:46.400 I didn't know a lot about these guys lives until now just from having 966 01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:49.679 these conversations with them, and you're just trying to keep up, you know, 967 01:05:49.719 --> 01:05:55.719 you're peddling, and to get that at that whole different perspective now and 968 01:05:55.800 --> 01:05:58.639 like I'll go back, you know they want we do with these watch alongs, 969 01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:01.559 and I don't you know, I was like Tony, I don't remember 970 01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:04.199 that people ask you about these pay per views, But when I watched them, 971 01:06:05.119 --> 01:06:09.159 this stuff comes back and I think about, you know, something funny 972 01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:12.679 that happened backstage, or Jean did this, or you know. And so 973 01:06:13.000 --> 01:06:16.960 it's been a it's it's been a great journey, uh doing this. I've 974 01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:20.039 gotten as a much kick out of this as I hope that people listening have, 975 01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:25.639 because that's it's just been fun. And like I said, there's there's 976 01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:30.480 these conversations you have, you know, like with Coco Beware, you know, 977 01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:33.480 and and him telling the story you know about the the the big brawl 978 01:06:33.559 --> 01:06:40.079 and Brussels and and uh, you know that I never had a chance to 979 01:06:40.119 --> 01:06:42.760 talk to him about. So it's just like if I were at a bar 980 01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:45.960 with him, I would be talking about the stuff to him. And and 981 01:06:46.320 --> 01:06:49.000 because I was there too, and not not at that event, but I 982 01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:53.280 mean I was there at the time when all this was going on. So 983 01:06:53.440 --> 01:06:58.079 it's it's it's been a blast. And and I just you know, as 984 01:06:58.119 --> 01:07:00.159 you go along this way, I just hope if you take it in because 985 01:07:01.760 --> 01:07:06.760 I hope you're not doing a podcast in thirty years, but right, yeah, 986 01:07:06.800 --> 01:07:11.519 no, I like, I mean, that's one thing, and that's 987 01:07:11.559 --> 01:07:15.280 when I when I when I did my first thing, when I did my 988 01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:19.880 first kickoff show with WWE, and when I did my last kickoff show with 989 01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:26.800 WWE. Most recently, every single time, it's like I can't believe I'm 990 01:07:26.840 --> 01:07:30.519 here. This is everything, Like this is incredible. You know, nobody 991 01:07:30.559 --> 01:07:34.719 thought this would happen, and you're doing it and if it ends today, 992 01:07:34.840 --> 01:07:40.320 it can never be taken away and sit there and soak this all in. 993 01:07:40.400 --> 01:07:42.960 It's like when I first found out I could go to the press conferences. 994 01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:48.360 The fact that like I am invited and I am there backstage with the other 995 01:07:48.400 --> 01:07:53.679 announcers, and I am eating and catering, and I am supposed to be 996 01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:58.000 there sitting there going like who let this kid in? And somebody throw him 997 01:07:58.000 --> 01:08:01.199 out and he's snuck back here. None of it. It's like cookies, 998 01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:05.760 yeah, exactly exactly. You know, I go in, you know, 999 01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:09.719 as soon as I get there, I'm there, you know, on the 1000 01:08:09.760 --> 01:08:13.400 early side, and I put my bags down and I watch I just go 1001 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:16.520 into the arena and I watch the ring being constructed, and I look at 1002 01:08:16.520 --> 01:08:24.079 this big empty arena and I kind of just every single time I'm making effort 1003 01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:29.439 to take it all in and never never take any of it for granted. 1004 01:08:29.479 --> 01:08:33.439 And that's sometimes tougher than other times. And you know, as human beings 1005 01:08:33.439 --> 01:08:39.720 tend to do, you find yourself slipping into unhealthy patterns of wanting more, 1006 01:08:39.960 --> 01:08:42.920 no matter how much you're getting, like there's just more, just more is 1007 01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:49.600 better, more and more, and like I work really diligently to not have 1008 01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:55.039 that mindset and to sit there and go, this is today, and this 1009 01:08:55.159 --> 01:09:00.199 is unbelievable. Oh say, this has been been great. It's a up 1010 01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:02.720 to somebody, what what's next? I mean, what bore? What bore? 1011 01:09:02.760 --> 01:09:08.880 Do you want? Young man? I just you know, I want 1012 01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:13.600 to do everything. I'm just so And it's all because, you know, 1013 01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:19.079 I find myself like there is no level of depth in a thing that I 1014 01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:23.359 love that I don't want to go to. You know what I mean. 1015 01:09:23.439 --> 01:09:26.560 If I were an underwater explorer, explorer, I would want to be like 1016 01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:30.079 James Cameron getting to the bottom of the ocean. Like I want to be 1017 01:09:30.800 --> 01:09:35.920 as ingrained in the worlds of the things that I'm interested in as I possibly 1018 01:09:35.920 --> 01:09:39.520 can be, and I want to, you know, kind of surround myself 1019 01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:44.560 with the smartest and the most interesting and most successful people that I can possibly 1020 01:09:44.560 --> 01:09:47.239 surround myself from and learn surround myself with and learn from. You know. 1021 01:09:47.279 --> 01:09:51.039 I think that that's that's what it's all about for me, and and just 1022 01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:58.880 doing more of that and to me is like all that it is. I 1023 01:09:58.920 --> 01:10:00.000 don't know if there's one specific thing that I can tell you, well, 1024 01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:02.960 here's my goal, you know, I'm you know, at this point, 1025 01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:06.600 it'd be ridiculous. I'm doing a morning shown series XM, and I get 1026 01:10:06.640 --> 01:10:11.079 to be on the WWE pay per view kickoff shows and the NXT pre shows, 1027 01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:14.079 which are some of my favorite things to do. Like for me to 1028 01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:19.920 tell you I want to do this would come across as egotistical and insane. 1029 01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:25.199 But whatever you think this is, I want to do it, you know, 1030 01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:30.319 so so it's never ending. Yeah, Well, I think that what 1031 01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:32.760 shines through those you love what you're doing. That's that's the way way you 1032 01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:39.680 should live. And it's fantastic anything folks could look out for this it's upcoming 1033 01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:44.079 so they can be more entertained by you. Yeah, I mean, I'm 1034 01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:46.880 always uploading stuff to the YouTube channel, YouTube dot com, slash not Sam 1035 01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:51.039 and it's got tons of wrestling content but also non wrestling content. I was 1036 01:10:51.079 --> 01:10:56.239 telling you, every Friday night we go live after SmackDown to do Sam Roberts. 1037 01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:59.560 Now it's a non wrestling show, but it's a super fun show. 1038 01:11:00.319 --> 01:11:02.840 You could listen every morning on Sirius XM to Jim Norton Sam Roberts on channel 1039 01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:08.399 one h three. Every Monday and Thursday. We dropped Not Sam Wrestling on 1040 01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:12.279 iTunes and Spotify and Stitcher and not Sam dot com and everywhere else. And 1041 01:11:13.279 --> 01:11:16.159 you know, look, if you want content from Sam Roberts, you would 1042 01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:19.479 have to be trying pretty hard not to be able to find any of this, 1043 01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:25.279 So it shouldn't do. Are you are the king of media? You've 1044 01:11:25.279 --> 01:11:30.079 taken over. Sorry Howard, I'm working on it all right, my friend. 1045 01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:31.520 Thank you, it's been awesome. Thanks for coming on pri time. 1046 01:11:31.720 --> 01:11:33.039 Thank you, man, I really appreciate it.