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What is krack lacking fellow thermonuclear a
efforts. I am Dan Valley coming at

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you without my certified fantagulist co host
Grant News. But I am as always

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super excited and pleased and grateful to
be joined by the one and only Justin

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Rowan from the Chase Down Podcast,
one of Hardwood Knox's favorite podcasts that we

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mentioned fairly often during the regular season. Here we're gonna talk about the Cleveland

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Cavaliers. If no one, If
no one caught that on the Cleveland Cavaliers

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look ahead fancier than a preview or
an outlook. Obviously, because the name

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has changed, follow Justin on Twitter, it is still Twitter at yo.

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Your handle always trips me up.
Am I supposed to? It's like I

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pronounce it cavsnadas. It's supposed to
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cazana. That's that's usually how I
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Go go follow him there. He is

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a He is a great follow Justin. How the heck are you doing?

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Damn? I'm doing great. Thank
you so much for having me back.

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I'm excited to talk about the team. I'm excited that we're now in September,

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training camps going to start before the
end of the months. We're almost

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there. We're almost away from like
rankings and all the lists and tears and

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shiit of the off season. We're
finally getting back to basketball and I'm excited

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about that. Yeah, I'm I'm
torn between Wow, it's already September and

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oh, like opening nights still like
seven weeks away or whatever. It's like

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it's just like one of those that
still feel so far away. But it's

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also like, oh, where's the
time go on? We're in September.

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I can't explain it. Yeah,
yeah, it's it's not as close as

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I'd like it to be, but
it's starting, you know. I'm you're

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starting to see a couple of leaves
drop falls coming, so you have to

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deal with the the end of summer, But even a summer also means that

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sports are about to pick out there, and I'm always excited about that.

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So I wanted to start here before
we sort of dig into the forward looking

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stuff. When you look at last
year's team, what do you think was

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more indicative of where they were at
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where I think everyone understood that they
were a great defense. I don't think

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many people knew they finished like seventh
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have a top seven offense and defense
win fifty plus games. Or was it

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what happened in the playoffs against the
Knicks where it felt like it wasn't just

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about their limitation shining through, but
they also got away offensively from a lot

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of what made them successful during the
regular season. So what was what do

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you read into more? Is it
the larger sample size or was it,

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Oh, when the games mattered most, this is what happened. You're gonna

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yell at me. I'm going to
sit on the fence here. It's both

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like part of the reason throughout the
regular season when we saw those metrics where

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it's like, okay, you got
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defense. This is all the markings
of a tender, right, Like their

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net rating is second best in the
league. Usually that means it's a contending

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team. Gardner and I were saying, pump the bricks, like this is

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a team that's going to have an
embarrassing loss in the playoffs. At some

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point, the wheels are going to
fall off inexperience really really matters, and

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you have to have respect for these
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Now, I thought that was going
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did it to them and not the
New York Knicks, So that aspect was

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incredibly surprising. But I think they're
a bit of both. I think that

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they are as good as they were
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at their best, that's the type
of team that they can be.

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But you know, the inexperienced the
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Like honestly, if you look at
that Game one, if that Josh Hart

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step back three doesn't go in,
they would probably win that game and that

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could have changed the complexion of the
series. But I think losing home courts

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so early in it, getting away
from what they did well, that just

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started to eat them mentally. And
I really do feel like they ended up

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beating themselves in that series. But
I think that they're in a better position

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to learn from that, both from
internal growth and with the moves that they

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made this off season. I think
we sometimes just underrate experience because it's tough

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to measure where it's like, yeah, sometimes the team just needs to go

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through that shit and it's gonna help
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what they need to add. I
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picked the Calves in seven, I
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thought the Knicks had no chance in
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Cavs offense than I think a lot
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just because I thought the way that
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felt I don't want to say an
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were leaning on these two guys so
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Mobley was able to do as a
playmaker, and like the movement that it

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felt like was constantly around him,
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think a driving force of that.
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without the ball more knowing he might
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would watch their offense and then having
Donald Mitchell Darius crom just like, no,

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this seems a lot better than people
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Zach Low was saying, pump the
brakes, I know you guys had talked

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about and you just mentioned that you
were gonna that you thought they might get

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bounced in the second round and it
might be embarrassing. I was just like,

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no, they're here. I thought
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legit contenders. And again clearly I
was wrong. But that's like a pretty

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damn good baseline to be working off
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the funny thing is, you know
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year, Like, I think the
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in the regular season despite not having
any spacing, Like, I think that's

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a feather in the cap for JB. Bicker staff and the coaching staff.

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They were second in frequency of points
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of the way a good measure of
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And they were number one in points
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So from a frequency and an efficiency
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in their their points off cuts was
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was up there. Isolation, they
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than they did in the regular season. Points per possession stayed the same in

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those What really was taken away was
their efficiency in the pick and roll,

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both for the role man and for
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was reflective of the next saying,
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the kind of these three man actions, right like usually it's a horn set

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the two guards there with one of
the big men, We're going to completely

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take that away. We're going to
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pick and roll. And the efficiency
just dropped off a cliff. They had

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the worst points per possession for role
man possessions. It was zero point four

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nine. Lens dropped off from one
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if you can believe it's a regular
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one point zero nine points per possession. Do you want to take a wild

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guess what it was in the playoffs
point six seven? It was point zero

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eight. He scored one point in
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like that right there. I think
that was the largest point of failure with

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the Ka's offense, because what we
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have a backcourt of two small guards, the only time you see that work

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is when there's a front court playmaker, Like when your offense is really kind

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of centered around two guards, you
need to have that Draymond Green, that

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Mark Gasol, that Lebron James that
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and that needed to be Evan Mobley, and he just wasn't ready for that.

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Like the pick and roll ballhandler numbers
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both weren't as efficiency in those scenarios. But it really broke down, and

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I think a lot of that had
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be creative in the regular season and
generate good looks off of those three man

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actions, but in the playoffs,
one that's really scouted. You need to

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have that spacing, and they just
didn't have the spacing, and I think

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it led to a lot of second
guessing and Mobly not performing as well in

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those spots and the whole team not
performing well in those spots. So given

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all that and the two headlining editions
where Georgi Yang and of course Max Drews,

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they also got Damian Jones. Ty
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right now as well. Do you
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their biggest weaknesses slash concerns. I
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I'm very happy with this. Like, even prior to the playoffs, Carter

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and I kind of did a look
ahead to the offseason and okay, who

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are your top targets and we were
looking at spot track and we're like,

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okay, here's the small forwards there
were. He is in a lot of

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options. None of these guys are
really shooters. None of these guys are

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in their price range. And then
you know, you filter down to the

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shooting guard and I'm like, all
right, can I find a tall enough

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shooting guard that can maybe played three? And Max Struce was that guy.

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Max Strus was the guy that both
of us said, this is our number

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one choice because he gives you the
frequency as well as the percentage when it

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comes to the three point shots.
My second choice was Kellyubray. Carter's was

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George Nyang. He's like, if
I can't use the mid level exception on

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Max Strus, I'd rather just split
up get George Niang. So for us

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to get both, I think was
really encouraging. And then Tie Jerome.

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I don't know how much he's going
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do think having a third guard that's
six five that can shoot, takes good

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care of the ball, nice assistant
turnover rate. I think that's a helpful

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thing to have. And especially yeah, as the nerds would say, he's

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got some wiggle to his game.
Yeah, And I just feel like this

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is the right type of supporting cast
that allows you to better evaluate the core.

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Right, Like, the core works
so well all together last year and

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even in that Nick series, like
through four games they still had a positive

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net rating one all four. Then
we're together, But there just wasn't a

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lot of options to go to.
You know, Isaac o Coral misses a

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month before the playoffs with an injury
and gets reinjured multiple times. In Game

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one, went down with a knee
injury and then got elbowed in the head

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by Mitchell Robinson. That wasn't helpful. So then you're really going to Carris

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Laverte. Ricky Rubio attempted to play
Danny greenmants were an absolute disaster, Like

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there're just weren't levers to pull.
So I feel like they have better spacing

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now to at least properly evaluate Okay, can this work? JB. Becker

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staff now has levers to pull and
options to go to so that you can

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better evaluate what he and the coaching
staff can do. I just feel like,

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even though it's not like problem solved, we fixed everything. You know,

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we had the perfect small forward.
You don't have that. But I

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do think that they're in a much
much better position and I think it's going

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to lead to them having a much
more successful See. Yeah, I was

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surprised that their off it felt like, and maybe I'm so far removed and

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misremembering that there those bigger transactions weren't
lauded more. And I saw some people

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first like, oh, that's a
lot of money for Max Strus. I

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was like, it's a tick above
the mid level. Now, like let's

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relax. And I think too many
people kind of focused on his three point

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percentages last year in Miami, which
were all over the place, especially in

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the playoffs. Just the volume both
him and the ang or nine plus attempts

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for thirty six minutes basically, and
he takes struce, takes tough threes,

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and just the threat of that opens
up the floor for everyone. So I

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thought, and you mentioned this,
what would have been their best case outcome

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if it wasn't max Strus like this
just wasn't They didn't have the resources and

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this wasn't the market and everyone could
say, well they need like this two

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way wing, Like yeah, so
to twenty nine other teams basically were twenty

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seven other teams, and so I
thought I couldn't believe that they were able

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to pull off Like with both of
them, I would ask, though,

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based off what they've done, what
is still kind of your your biggest concern

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with this roster backup power for it, Like I think George Niang's going to

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be the third big functionally like throughout
the regular season, but there's going to

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be matchups where that's a little bit
of an issue, right, especially when

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you get to the playoffs. I
don't have any concerns about this team in

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the regular season, Like they were
near the top last year in player games

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missed and they did not have a
lot of depth. Now they have a

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lot of depth. And if you
get any sort of positive regression when it

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comes to injury luck in an Eastern
Conference that seems a lot weaker like Philly

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got worse. All the teams kind
of around them got a fair bit worse

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at least at the top of the
East, with maybe the exception of Milwaukee,

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but they mostly stood pad. But
I think all of that sets them

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up well for regular season success.
But I still worry in the playoffs.

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Okay, George Niang can give you
spacing and allow you to play that kind

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of one big when you're staggering Mowbli
and Allen, but is he going to

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get exposed? And importantly too,
looking at the way that they lost again

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the Knicks, he doesn't help from
a rebounding standpoint because after Kevin Love was

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basically removed from the rotation, they
dropped all the way down to basically last

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defensive rebounding position. So some of
that's going to need to be The bigs

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are going to need to do better. The wing players need to do a

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lot better. I just rewatched the
Knicks series over the last couple of weeks,

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and after my eyes stopped bleeding,
I realized, like a lot of

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the offensive rebounds that they give gave
up. We're actually from the perimeter,

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you know, Josh Hart crashing at
the shooting guard position, or Jay Barrett,

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even Jalen Brunson at times. So
they're going to need to collectively get

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better at that. But even with
all those extra possessions they gave up,

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they still had the best defensive rating
in the playoffs. I think it was

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much more about the offense failing them. But I keep circling back to this

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position we've been in the last couple
of years, and people are going to

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laugh, roll their eyes, but
they gotta need Dean Wade to be good

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because he's that fourth big that when
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a sudden, the rebounding numbers are
great. He can defend the perimeter,

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he can defend the ram, he
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of years, like when Dean Wade
gets hurt, it really has an impact

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on how useful their lineup is.
And they really shouldn't be in a position

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where Dean Wade matters that much.
I think it matters less than it did

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last year. But whether it's Dean
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Isaiah Mobley, you know, on
that two way contract and maybe getting promoted

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to the main roster, they're going
to need to find something internally to make

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those lineups work. But given how
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the limited resources they had. I'm
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Like I know part of it was
Kevin Love left. I can't and

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I want to. It definitely hurt
them in the playoffs. Like the rebounding

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for this team is just all over
the place for a team that plays so

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many minutes with two bigs. And
I think they were like I can't remember

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I looked this up, Like at
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defensive rebounding and then like kind of
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the Kevin Love leaving, it just
like fell off the cliff. It's what,

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like, do you is it an
actual concern? You're just like,

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oh, hey, you even mentioned
it. For the playoffs, Oh,

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they were still the best defense in
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Like they were still just like a
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rebounding struggles. And so I agree
with what you're saying about sort of the

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backup for spot. But then I'm
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does the rebounding aspect of it matter. I'm definitely more worried about it.

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I can Yang get exploited on defense
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fine against like positionally at least,
but like do you like what do you

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read into like and we can identify
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it, like why they might struggle
on the glass, like Mobiley spends so

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much time basically as this wing defender
that he's not going to be around the

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glass as much. But it's like
does it does it actual? Like does

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it matter? Is it? Are
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Like what? I don't know what
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it's maybe a little overblown, Like
I think like the funny thing about that

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series is it all just felt because
there was such bad offense in that series,

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Like even from the next standpoint,
like people act like Jalen Brunson was

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having a great series yet twenty four
and five on a fifty three true shooting

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percentage, like he was less efficient
than Garland in that series when you look

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at it, which it didn't feel
that way because every time, you know,

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you get that extra position later in
games and Brunson hits a three,

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it just feels so much bigger.
I'm not super concerned that, Like when

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I looked at the series, the
first couple of games, especially like that

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Jared Allen Mitchell Robinson possession battle.
A lot of the possessions earlier in the

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series were okay, you know,
a couple times a game Mitchell Robinson out

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muscled him one on one, got
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series a lot of it was all
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So Jared Allen has to make a
decision. Do I give up an

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open layup to RJ. Barrett or
Josh Hard or do I contest it and

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take it myself out of rebound and
mobile or Carris Laverte was left one on

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one with Mitchell Robinson and they gave
up offensive rebounds. So as the series

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progressed, there was more and more
of those kind of positional and schematic losses

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which JB. Bickerstaff. You look
at the reporting he's owned up to that

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where he says, you know,
a lot of our rebounding issues were we

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kind of got away from our identity. We had Jared Allen blitzing so far

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above the three point line. And
it reminded me of twenty seventeen when Tristan

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Thompson was outrebounded by Steph Curry because
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three point line, and I do
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most of it came down to,
you know, personnel not having spacing,

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and just individual performances, like sometimes
you know, you just don't play well,

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and that can kind of sometimes get
forgotten when we talk about basketball.

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But the one issue that I really
had with what JB was doing was I

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felt like the Calves almost had too
much reverence for Jalen Brunson. I feel

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like they got away from their own
kind of identity and we're like, all

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right, we're going to try to
counter what the Knicks are doing. Whereas

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they were the better team, the
Calves should have been the ones setting the

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tone, setting the identity of the
series and forcing the next two. Okay,

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go beat us one on one.
Jalen Brunson, if you win the

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series that way, will live with
it. And like he didn't have that

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great of a series like it When
you listen to the discourse, it's almost

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like, oh, he killed it
against the Cavs and then wasn't as great

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against Miami, Whereas when you look
at it, he was wildly efficient against

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Miami, averaging like thirty three points
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He's basically chucking, scoring twenty four
points per game, right, So it

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just goes to show how we kind
of take the result and work our way

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backwards. The other thing the Cavs
did this offseason they resigned Caris Lavert.

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Some people were surprised. To other
people don't like the amount of money.

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I thought it was fine. I
thought it was pretty good for them last

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year. Actually, he shot the
three ball better than I would have expected,

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and i'sn't even a lot better defensively
than I would have expected as well

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too. Is he suddenly at all
more important to this team given the circumstances

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with Ricky Rubio, you know,
taking time to deal with his mental health

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good for him? Or is that
more of a contract where it's like,

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no, this is like kind of
a human human trade exception situation. I

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do think he is more important now, honestly. Like even prior to the

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Ricky news, Carter and I were
saying I would rather not play backup point

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guard, like I'd rather just stagger
Garland and Mitchell. You have one of

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them on the court at all times, and then that opens up minutes for

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Karros Lavert for mex Rus for icycle
Choral for George Nang right, like you

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kind of have that weird glut at
the three four position, and I think

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I just trust like the guards and
Caros Lavert. Like Karros Lavert's playmaking often

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gets underrated, especially as a pick
and roll ball handler. He's a really

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really good pick and roll ball handler. And for a team that you know

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now has improved spacing for him and
has such great bigs to work off of,

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I think he is really important,
and I think people need to get

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over the sticker shock when it comes
to these new contracts, like like you

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said, that report at sixteen million
that he and Scruts are getting, that's

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not a whole lot more than the
midd level exception, and when you look

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at it as a percentage of the
cap, which is the only thing that

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matters, it is less than Channing
Fry got on the Cavs in twenty sixteen

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when they won. It's right around
that j R. Smith the mon Chumpert

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range, which of yeah, yeah, when you put that into context,

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that is not a lot. And
the CAP's going to rise by five percent

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over the next four years, so
that's just going to become a smaller and

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smaller amount, and I think it
reminds me a lot of Jared Allen.

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Like when Jared Allen signed his five
year, one hundred million dollars deal reportedly,

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like people are like, oh,
that's a that's a lot of money.

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When you look at it now,
Jared Allen's barely getting more than like

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what the mid level exception is going
to be in two years. You look

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at the centers that signed for that
amount of money, like Yak of Pearl,

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Nick Boots Rusive, right, like
Matt Struce and cars Leavert signed for

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Isaiah's Stewart money, Like it's really
like this is it's going to be so

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much easier, Like people worry about, oh can the cast keep all four

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of these guys together, Garland,
Mobley and Allen are going to be making

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Jalen Brown money together, and like
Donovan Mitchell isn't eligible for the Supermax,

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Like it's not as much of a
financial crunch as you think it's going to

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be. Garland is on a bargain
deal when you look at what he can

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contribute. It would be different if
like two of these guys were approaching their

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third contracts, which they're not really
yeah, and fun aside or not so

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fun aside. We have shirts made
that says I'm sorry Jared Allen because we

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destroyed that Jared Allen contract at the
time, and part of it was because

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they had drafted Mobley as well,
but it was just like, could not

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have been more wrong. But we
I don't even want to have to if

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I had to listen back to that
PODT yes, I wouldn't be able to

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sit through that segment that we did. We killed it. I'm scolding you.

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I'm scolding you through the camera.
So Evan Mobley what Yeah. A

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lot of his limitations shine through during
that next series, and a good amount

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of them felt like they could be
chalked up to like him when he was

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facing pressure, or just like players
who were stronger than him. I saw

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earlier this summer he talked about how
he had a home gym now, so

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we can expect him. I mean, he's going into year three, he's

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still like what is he two?
Like, he's still young, so he

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will get stronger. What else,
though, we're you specifically sort of watching

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for with him entering this third year
on the offensive end, because like,

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defensively, he's just it. I
picked him as my Defensive Player of the

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Year. So if I can get
more brownie points from you after shipping on

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Jared Allen, I did'll he'll get
some brownie points. Maybe if Mobiley starts

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fouling a little bit more, he'll
get that Defensive Player of the Year.

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Yeah. You know, it's funny
because you look at those season Mobile had

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and and sort of the year.
I thought it was encouraging that he was

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basically putting up the same production as
his rookie year with higher efficiency alongside adding

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a piece in Donovan Mitchell, right, Like, I think that goes to

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show just how malleable both he and
Darius Garland's games are, that they didn't

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lose anything adding such a major piece. But then as the year progressed,

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JB put more and more on Mobiley's
played it as he got more comfortable,

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as he got stronger, And you
look at the last like, basically since

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the start of twenty twenty three,
so January first, he was averaging eighteen

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points per game on high efficiency.
The playmaking numbers were coming up, and

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that's part of why I felt so
confident going into that Knick series, Like

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we identified the areas of concern like
I feel like in our series preview,

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we hit on every way that the
Cavs could lose the series. We just

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didn't expect it to be so dramatic. And I think if you play that

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series over a bunch of times,
it probably is around fifty fifty of who

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wins, but I think the majority
of the time it goes longer. But

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Evan Mobley really struggled in that series. And I know everyone focuses on the

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three ball because Okay, that's the
only thing that matters in today's game,

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but really, like I think the
most important thing is the mid range game

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for him, Like I would have
him watching hours a Batman of Bile footage

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because I think if he's operating from
the high post, if he's that hub

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in the short role, that's where
he can really really be effective. And

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so often, like a lot of
the times where he wasn't playing well and

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had that zero point zero eight points
per possession in the short role, it

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was indecision. It was Mitchell Robinson
actually like sagging off of him and saying,

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yeah, hit that floater. And
there were times where he's kind of

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in between the floater and the dunker
spot pass that he usually throws to Jared

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Allen in those spots with that indecision, all of a sudden, the balls

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hitting the back part instead of the
rim, right Like. It was just

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one of those things where I think
he needs to develop more confidence in those

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spots, because if you're really respecting
him there, then all of a sudden,

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his ability to put the ball on
the floor and get to the rim

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really matters. He's passing in those
situations really matters. Having Max Strus as

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an option where now you're running a
three man action with Garland, Mitchell and

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Mobley, and Mobley has that kickout
option two maxters, he has the kickout

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option to Darius who's playing off all
in that spot, and he has the

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law to Jared Allen, right Like. I think him performing better in those

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spots is the biggest way way he
can advance this game because the defense is

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already so high up there, and
I think he's a good but not great

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passer, which I think it's a
fair way. I think that's a fair

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way to kind of even characterize Bam. But Bam has such a strong understanding

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of what he can and can't do
and what the right play is. I

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think that's exactly where Mobley needs to
get you offensively. I think the only

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thing I pushed back on is I
actually think he's a great passer. When

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you were looking at the reds he
was making last year, and like the

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spacing that's around him during the regular
season, and it felt like there's a

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lot more like hey, live dribble
stuff happening too than it was during his

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rookie year. And so I really
think with the extra spacing, he's gonna

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wind up. If he's not already
a great passer, he will get there.

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I was surprised. I went back
and I was watching a lot of

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like some of the elbow stuff in
that series against the Knicks. It was

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just not pretty, and I'm wondering
if he could benefit from being even quicker

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when it comes to like if he
knows that he's gonna put the ball on

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the floor. He shot like twenty
two percent on his elbow touches in the

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playoffs, after in the regular season
he was at like fifty two or whatever

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it was, And so I'm watching
that and then you had mentioned the floaters

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stuff too. It's just so interesting
because he shot twelve of seventeen last year

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on assisted floaters like where he just
caught it and flipped it up there.

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It was like whenever he kind of
had to take a dribble or if he

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had space, and like that extra
second, that extra pause, it did

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feel like it threw him off.
And that's I didn't even watch any of

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the floater stuff from the playoff series, So it's interesting that you had said

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that, Oh a lot of that
was just Mitchell Robinson like kind of just

408
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,519
oh, hey, go ahead and
see if you can do that, and

409
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:03,720
so that I would agree with you, like I can see the outline of

410
00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:07,839
a very crafty mid range game,
but at the same time, like you

411
00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:10,880
know, he was sub forty percent, I'm like those turnaround jumpers and like,

412
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,559
there's still such a long way to
go there. Then when I watch,

413
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:17,279
though, the form just feels like
it's there and that it's pretty and

414
00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:21,079
this is someone I expect. I
don't think and this isn't I'm saying you.

415
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,359
I still don't think people understand how
good of a pastor he is.

416
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,359
And I think that while we don't
understand necessarily what he is on offense,

417
00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:30,440
I still think he ends up being
he's I think it's more likely he's a

418
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,079
great offensive player than not. But
I do wonder how you feel about like,

419
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,640
okay, like if he can't like
make or be confident like in this

420
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:42,759
short roll stuff in the playoffs,
like maybe when the pressure increases, like

421
00:27:42,839 --> 00:27:48,119
what does that sort of muddy his
offensive utility to this team at all?

422
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,200
Just like if I wouldn't say,
use the Knick series as this potential stasis

423
00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:56,119
for him, but just like if
he goes through those stretches where oh,

424
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:57,720
if there are more physical guys,
he's not able to do the same damage

425
00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:02,440
yet in the short role from the
elbows and he's not this really good three

426
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,960
point shooter. Like, how hard
does it become to then sort of float

427
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,599
like this two big model. Yeah, I think it's essential for making that

428
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,359
model work, right like, and
that's going to be one of the important

429
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:17,680
things that we find out this season. And you know, it's tricky because

430
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,599
man like Mobley's probably about five years
away from his prime, right Like when

431
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,319
you look historically, usually when big
s gets like twenty six years old,

432
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:30,920
that's when it starts to really click
from them, and the Cavs are on

433
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,240
an accelerated timeline when it comes to
you know, Donnovan Mitchell improving that this

434
00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:38,680
is the best spot for him to
win. So you have to kind of

435
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,759
balance not it's not like a Warrior's
two timeline thing, because you're talking about

436
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:48,039
twenty two and a twenty six year
old. And I also just hate that

437
00:28:48,119 --> 00:28:52,200
everyone uses the Warriors two timeline thing
as an example of like you can't have

438
00:28:52,319 --> 00:28:56,039
vets and young players. Now,
that was about the Warriors making bad picks

439
00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,720
and guys that just aren't good at
basketball. Like, if they draft the

440
00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:02,200
Tyree's, they drafted Hyrs Haliburton,
that would have worked really well. If

441
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,279
they drafted Lamella Ball that would have
worked really well. Yeah, if they

442
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:10,200
drafted Franz Wagner, that would have
worked really well. Don't excuse the fact

443
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,400
that they made terrible picks like as
oh, you can't have young guys and

444
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:18,960
old guys. But yeah, like
I think Mobley's growth there is absolutely essential.

445
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,440
It's essential for making the two big
pairing work. It's funny like when

446
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:26,640
you look at it for the regular
season, the offensive rating was better when

447
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:33,359
both bigs were together than either big
individually on their own wild and a lot

448
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,319
of that obviously has to do with
their plane more their minutes with Garland and

449
00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:40,640
Mitchell. But like, that's the
whole kind of conceit of this team building

450
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:42,880
thing is we can make these two
big works because we have two guards that

451
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:48,759
work so well offensively together, right, And I think adding someone like Max

452
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:52,359
Steves is going to be a big
difference. You mentioned his ability to hit

453
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,000
contested shots. He was in the
fourth percentile of the last two years in

454
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,519
terms of how open is three point
shots are, So ninety six percent of

455
00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:02,839
the league is getting better looks than
him. You look at like Jetty Osben,

456
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,559
he was in the eighty seven percent
dial in terms of open looks.

457
00:30:04,599 --> 00:30:08,839
So either Max Jus is going to
start getting more open looks or everybody else

458
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,400
around him is going to start getting
more open looks. So I'm very encouraged

459
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,519
by that. But yeah, Mobley's
going to have to make this work.

460
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:21,799
If he's not there as a playmaker
and if he needs more time, they're

461
00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:23,920
going to come up short again in
the playoffs because they need to have that

462
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:29,799
front court playmaker and because they don't
have the big playmaking wing, it needs

463
00:30:29,839 --> 00:30:33,039
to come from him at the four. I think long term, like you

464
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:36,319
can question whether or not he and
Jared Allen to work, but I think

465
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,359
long term, Mobley has to be
a four, like he might close at

466
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,319
the five, But I do think
that he is a power forward. I

467
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,920
think that's the way that the game
is trending. You look at some of

468
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,640
the power forwards that are coming into
the game, like Wemby wants to play

469
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,839
for Chet wants to play the four. The league is getting bigger and bigger,

470
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:56,920
and the small ball revolution was really
about having skill at every position.

471
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,319
Now you have skill in size,
which is the way I think this is

472
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:03,839
going. And even like Jaren Jackson
Junior Yannis right like, they're great at

473
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:07,680
the five, but you still kind
of have like that Steven Adams or Brook

474
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:12,920
Lopez out there to eat those heavier
minutes at the five. So Mowbli's growth,

475
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:17,039
I think is going to be the
biggest storyline for the Cavs because I

476
00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:21,240
think if he's able to do even
just what he did in the regular season

477
00:31:21,599 --> 00:31:23,759
in the playoffs, that makes a
big difference. If he's able to take

478
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:27,519
a step above that, this is
a team that could actually be pretty damn

479
00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:33,039
dangerous. There's and I'm not saying
that Mobley will be a better offensive player

480
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:37,400
than Yannis, but if he doesn't, I guess develop alone in the track

481
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,359
that they're expecting. It does create
if you want him to be your four,

482
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:45,160
sort of a very rigid well of
options. Okay, well, who

483
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,119
can be the five where it's like
when you think of Yannis, like he

484
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,720
almost needs like brook Lopez makes too
much sense next to him, and that's

485
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,200
just not the type of player Jared
Allen is. And so I think that's

486
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,000
why it gets so interesting about the
two big stuff. The final thing on

487
00:31:57,079 --> 00:32:02,359
Mobli, should we expect him to
just like maybe increase his I'll say,

488
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:07,640
like hub usage, given that Ricky
Rubio at least doesn't seem like he's gonna

489
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:12,039
start the season with the teams like
during those one guard lineups, there should

490
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:15,640
be more opportunity for him. Yeah, well, with our without Ricky Rubio,

491
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,519
that has to be the priority.
Like, I think one of the

492
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:22,599
opportunities for growth from this team and
his coaching staff is experimenting more in the

493
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:27,319
regular season because I think in the
regular season last year, especially with all

494
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:30,720
the injuries they had, but they
were just throwing fastball after fastball, right,

495
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:35,000
Like, let's do what we do
really well, and that's going to

496
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:38,519
get us a lot of regular season
wins, whereas teams like Miami as an

497
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:44,160
example, like people will say they
didn't take the regular season seriously. I

498
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,839
don't think that's true. I think
what they did in the regular season was

499
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,640
they were empowering different guys that they
knew they needed to count on in the

500
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,720
playoffs. So let's take some lumps
in the service of development so that we're

501
00:32:55,799 --> 00:32:59,839
better prepared for the playoffs, so
we have multiple styles that we can play.

502
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:04,039
The Kats need to take that approach
with the regular season, where yeah,

503
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,839
maybe you lose two more games because
you're giving Mobili a lot of playmaking

504
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:13,000
reps and you're trying to work on
him as a hub, but that's going

505
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:16,119
to help you in the playoffs.
I think they're better prepared to play multiple

506
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:21,519
styles, whereas last year they really
only had that fastball. They had one

507
00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:24,319
thing that worked really really well and
a few actions off of it, and

508
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,559
when you took away the effectiveness of
that pick and role play and kind of

509
00:33:29,599 --> 00:33:34,519
the three van actions they had,
it really hurt them. So I think

510
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:39,200
they found something last year where to
start the year, it was Mitchell and

511
00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:44,480
Mowbli a lot of the time,
and later as the year progressed, it

512
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:47,240
became Garland and Mobley, so Mitchell
and Allan, which Allan's the better pick

513
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:52,480
and role player, He's the better
fit with donaland Mitchell and Garland and Mowbley

514
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:54,480
was ridiculous. I think they had
about a plus twelve net rating when they

515
00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:59,960
were on the court without Mitchell and
Allen. Like that, more than anything,

516
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:01,759
I think is the core of this
team like that, that's the hardened

517
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:06,680
soul as those two guys together.
And I think having Evan Mobile play as

518
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,280
a playmaker in those spots is going
to be really interesting. I'm really interesting

519
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:14,719
to see what Isaaco Cora coming into
the second unit with more spacing does for

520
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,599
him. Like if a Coral's playing
as the shooting guard, do you use

521
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:20,320
him a little bit in that Bruce
Brown role where he's setting a screen for

522
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,239
Garland. All of a sudden you
have Struce, Nyang and Mobile out there.

523
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,840
You know, guys that can kind
of space the flour. A little

524
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,400
bit of playmaking around him, get
him more rim running opportunities, Like people

525
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:31,960
forget that over the last hundred games
of core shooting, like thirty eight percent

526
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:36,599
from three he finishes well at the
rim. So seeing what he can do

527
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,239
in kind of a more limited roll
off the bench with more spacing. I

528
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:42,719
think it's going to be really interesting. So you're still an Isaac O Coral

529
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,079
believer, then the extension eligible Isaac
O Coral. By the way, I'll

530
00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:52,840
say this, I'm a Coral believer. I am concerned that he can't reach

531
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,719
his potential with the Calves, just
because you can only develop so many guys

532
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:00,760
at a time. They have a
lot of young guys that they need to

533
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:06,719
give those developmental reps, and I
just feel like the timeline has shifted on

534
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,320
him. I'm a little concerned that
he's not going to be able to reach

535
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:14,280
his potential with the cast But I
do think trying to get more juice out

536
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,719
of that is something that they should
try to prioritize this here, just you

537
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,360
know, be more informed about what
he can or can't do. I would

538
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,000
give him an extension right now,
Like if you could get him for cheap,

539
00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:25,880
I would do it because he's still
one of the best on ball defenders

540
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,639
in the league. People forget he
is the same age as Evan Mobile.

541
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,400
So when people talk about like,
okay, like Mobile's offensive development, he

542
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:37,280
can get better and whatnot. O
Coral's getting penalized because he came into the

543
00:35:37,519 --> 00:35:42,840
league a year early and like I
said, the three point shot, outside

544
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:45,440
of that start to the year where
he had changed the form on his jumper

545
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,639
and he missed like his first twelve
attempts or whatever, he's shooting forty percent

546
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,960
from three. You take it like
even further back to February of the previous

547
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:57,800
season and over a hundred games sample
size now thirty eight percent from three.

548
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:00,280
Like, he's just got to crank
the volume up. And I think the

549
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:06,360
biggest thing that he needs to do
is he needs to, as I signed

550
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:10,639
Mobile homework, to watch bam Acorn
needs to watch what Josh Hart does because

551
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:15,880
he's bigger than Josh Hard and he
needs to become kind of that box score

552
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:19,039
filler where he's going out and giving
you other things. He's giving you the

553
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,920
rebounds. He got his steel in
block percentage up last year he started becoming

554
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,239
an event defender. I think that's
a significant difference. But he's going to

555
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,639
need to start contributing in other ways
because he's going to need to find ways

556
00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:31,039
to make the most of those minutes. And it's something he can do.

557
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:35,800
I'm just a little concerned that,
you know, you have so many young

558
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,880
guys like Jurnau will just turn twenty
five, Like there's still beat on the

559
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:43,239
phone there. I feel like he
might be the one that kind of gets

560
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,400
lost in the shuffle. Yeah,
he's a really useful players, I would

561
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:52,880
frame it. I'm with you.
I don't see the long term theory of

562
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:55,039
him on this team, in part
because I don't know if he'll ever get

563
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:59,039
his three point volume where it needs
to be. And I know, like,

564
00:36:59,159 --> 00:37:00,840
look, his percentage are great,
A lot of that's coming from the

565
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:04,559
corners, and so like if you're
not going to hit a high clip from

566
00:37:05,079 --> 00:37:07,679
above the break, there's gonna be
limitations there. And I think more than

567
00:37:07,679 --> 00:37:09,360
anything, and I know he was
banged up and that's part of why he

568
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:15,320
became unplayable against the Knicks. Is
I'm gonna push back, sorry, because

569
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:20,239
I mostly agree with you. One
of my biggest JB complaints is that he

570
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,199
went away from ocal row in that
series. Like I thought o'cre should have

571
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,880
remained the starter. I thought he
should have played more. In fact,

572
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,760
he's actually the only CAZZ player that
had a positive net rating in that series.

573
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,800
Like I think, especially with how
thin they were. He needed to

574
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,360
play more in that series, and
they did well in his minutes. It

575
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,719
was just a lack of confidence,
obviously in the three point shooting. And

576
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,239
the thing is, like, you're
right, the volume needs to go up,

577
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,039
because if he's taking three, three
is a game and he's shooting forty

578
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:50,079
percent on him, teams are going
to conceive that one three a game to

579
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,679
take away everybody else, right,
Like you gotta get those numbers out.

580
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,719
Those are those are rookie numbers.
That's where I was going with it too,

581
00:37:55,800 --> 00:38:00,880
is that you can see there's a
difference in the way that defenses guard

582
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,159
him versus I'll use Mark as Smart
as an example, who's not really a

583
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,320
good three point shooter, but because
the volume is there, and I'm not

584
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:08,960
saying, of course you'll start chucking
him off the dribble, I think Smart's

585
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,480
actually done a better job of eliminating
those from his diet, like the fact

586
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:16,360
that the volume matters, because volume
in itself can be a threat. And

587
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,480
I just don't know if he'll ever
get there, not even just on this

588
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:23,280
team. I just don't see it
with him as all. And so I'd

589
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,559
agree with you. I didn't even
think about yet you should just sign him

590
00:38:25,559 --> 00:38:30,199
to an extension because if he would
take like four and fifty two or something

591
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,559
right now, like that becomes an
incredible trade asset down the line, given

592
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:37,840
what he can do on the defensive
end. Yeah, and if he hits

593
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:43,280
and you've locked him in at that
Like that was one of my gripes the

594
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,000
first year Lebron came back where Tristan
Thompson was extension eligible, It's like,

595
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:50,119
you need to sign him to an
extension right away. And then you know,

596
00:38:50,679 --> 00:38:55,079
he had the breakout season at twenty
five, which is the same age

597
00:38:55,119 --> 00:39:00,280
that Jared Allen is now, which
is funny to look back at. But

598
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:02,079
they had to sign them for you
know, that five eighty two deal,

599
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,119
whereas you could have got him for
a whole lot cheaper if you signed them

600
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:09,440
before the breakdown. And even just
like you said, from a tradable contract

601
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:13,360
standpoint, like that was the thing
that the Cavs didn't even really have in

602
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,440
their arsenal going into this offseason.
They had because karros Laver was a free

603
00:39:17,519 --> 00:39:22,679
agent. You know, the biggest
contracts they really had was like Ricky at

604
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,679
seven, Dean at at five.
Now, all of a sudden, you

605
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,599
have Karros Laverne at sixteen, you
have Screws at sixteen, you have George

606
00:39:28,679 --> 00:39:32,519
Nyang at eight, you get a
coorro there on fifteen. Like, I

607
00:39:32,599 --> 00:39:37,599
think the way that you have to
approach this new CBA is you need to

608
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:43,079
load up on these contracts and then
when you do cross kind of that threshold

609
00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:45,639
where all of a sudden you get
all those constraints, you have to sprint

610
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:49,599
past it. So I want the
Cavs to get right up to that threshold

611
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:52,000
and then as soon as that mobile
extension hits, you just sprint right past

612
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,239
it. Your rates a penalty there
basically what kind of what the Phoenix Suns

613
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:59,320
did, because at that point the
only way you're going to get better is

614
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,360
by flipping contracts, right Like,
Okay, yeah, I have this sixteen

615
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:05,400
million dollars player, I want to
turn him into two eight million dollar players,

616
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:08,239
right Like, that's what they need
to have in their possession. And

617
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,480
I think, you know, signing
Acre to an extension, I would love

618
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:15,280
it. I don't. I don't
really foresee it unless he's really kind of

619
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,840
signing a team friendly deal. But
I think just from a value standpoint,

620
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,639
both as a trade asset, and
you know, potentially for them to keep.

621
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:28,039
I think there is a real value
to them. Mobley is the player

622
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:31,079
on this team. I'm most fascinated
by the player I'm like fascinated by after

623
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:38,199
him, the most is Darius Garland. I had written this very like brief

624
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:42,960
outline to you about what's the next
frontier for Darius Garland, and coming in

625
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:45,440
I had expected you to say or
I was going to argue, like I

626
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:46,840
really just want to see the like
I see that there can be a better

627
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:51,360
finisher at the rim here he ticked
up his free throw right a little bit.

628
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,559
And then I listened to the podcast
that you guys did with Seth part

629
00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:57,000
now and I can't remember whether it
was your co host Card or if it

630
00:40:57,079 --> 00:41:00,039
was Seth that said a huge development
for him would be can he become more

631
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:06,039
of this motion shooter away from the
ball, because of how that would unlock

632
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:08,679
even more of this offense. What
is the for Darius Garlands, who I

633
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:14,440
did not pick for all NBA but
probably deserved more honorable mention all NBA consideration

634
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:17,320
than he got. So like that
is we talk about baseline, that's another

635
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:22,360
high baseline to workoff. What is
the next frontier for him though, to

636
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,719
you, Yeah, that was Seth
and I could not have disagreed more with

637
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:29,719
him. I think we would have
got bogged down if I did. But

638
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,599
I think he's a tremendous offtball player. I tweeted it out after the podcast,

639
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:37,800
but if you look at kind of
like the basketball index, a little

640
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:43,320
headshot graft or whatever for movement shooters
for point guards, in terms of movement

641
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,679
impact, the only one that has
more Steph Curry and the only one that

642
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:51,119
has more volume from the point guard
position is Game the Jordan, Poole and

643
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,559
Kyrie, which two of those I'd
argue aren't even point guards at this point

644
00:41:53,599 --> 00:41:59,079
in their careers. So Garland is
a terrific offtball player. He needs to

645
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:01,199
crank that ball allume up on those
three point attempts though, Like that's the

646
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,920
biggest thing. He is too good
of a shooter to only be taking six

647
00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:07,000
a game. I need that to
be up at eight, Like I need

648
00:42:07,079 --> 00:42:12,079
that to be at eight and nine. I think that's like you look at

649
00:42:12,119 --> 00:42:15,039
it averaging you know, twenty two
and eight last year. If he just

650
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:21,599
takes like two and a half more
threes a game, that's an extra three

651
00:42:21,679 --> 00:42:23,760
points per game on his average pretty
easily because he's going to hit at least

652
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,840
one in those attempts that moves the
needle. I agree, the finishing at

653
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,440
the rim needs to improve. You
look at him this off season, looks

654
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,880
like he's added a lot of muscle. I think that's going to help with

655
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,840
that too. Yeah, Like,
I think that's going to help him a

656
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,360
lot, because he just got his
ass kicked at the rim all year,

657
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:46,679
Like it seemed he was getting hit
in the face every single time he went

658
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,599
to the rim. We kept tweeting
out and became a running joke of how

659
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:53,280
many times he's going to get in
the face because obviously in the first game

660
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:59,519
Gary Trent Junior tried to poke his
eye out and it got targeted ever since

661
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:02,679
in the year. And I think
just him getting more calls at the rim

662
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,960
as a result of his strength,
I think it's going to be really helpful

663
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:09,400
because the reason he's not getting as
many calls at the rim, Like you

664
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:13,519
look at the players that have that
many drives to the rim, and I

665
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:15,840
think only Bradley Beale has a lower
free throw rate, Like he's like twenty

666
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,719
percent below the average, where everyone
else in that mix. I think it's

667
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,760
because he's trying to make the shot. He's kind of contorting himself the old

668
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:28,039
Derrick Rose issue, right Whereas now
if he's going into guys, that contact

669
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:30,280
is going to become kind of more
evident. And I think also just better

670
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,760
spacing around him is going to give
him more kind of hope and finishes at

671
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,920
the rim. So obviously you'd like
to see that continue to improve. He

672
00:43:38,199 --> 00:43:42,480
was actually a better finisher at the
rim than Donovan Mitchell was at the same

673
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:45,920
age. So I think getting that
three point shooting up and continuing to do

674
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:51,199
what he already does well at a
higher volume, I think that's going to

675
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,519
elevate his standing. I think that
can take him from All Star snub to

676
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:58,360
an All NBA player, And I
think here's a lot of degree. I

677
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,119
think he could be the best player
on the Kasmic season, or at least

678
00:44:00,119 --> 00:44:05,000
have an argument to be. I
could see it. So I didn't know

679
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:07,360
about the movement impact as a shooter. I never would have guessed his numbers

680
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,559
were that high in those situations that
he Definitely I want to see them explore

681
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:15,960
more of the Mobili Garland connection,
where like he gets moving downhill away from

682
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,800
the ball when Mobili has it,
I never would have guessed, like,

683
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,440
yeah, you look at the you
know, the assisted three point percentage,

684
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,519
like, yeah, it's up there. But when you mentioned volume, so

685
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:29,639
I'm I'm pretty actually surprised that he
was such an impactful, like movement shooter

686
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,840
player. I would not right now. Oh, I don't think you're wrong.

687
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,639
I'm just saying like I never would
have guessed the volume was even there

688
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:40,960
for him to rank. Yeah,
so, but the number you mentioned it,

689
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,480
like you want the threes to come
up, I don't even care how

690
00:44:44,559 --> 00:44:46,400
they come because he he hit thirty
nine percent of his off the dribble threes.

691
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,719
Like, if those are the threes, he's gonna take two more game

692
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,199
of there. I think people overstate, well, yeah, like, what's

693
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:55,199
it gonna matter if this guy takes
two more three point attempts per game.

694
00:44:55,239 --> 00:45:00,079
There's a player where it can make
a meaningful difference, And Darius Garland's one

695
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,280
of those players because he's already so
good at it, and especially you look

696
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,800
at last year, like the only
shooters they had were Garland and Mitchell.

697
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,400
And like when people complain, like
sometimes people will say, oh, you

698
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,840
know, JB. Picker stuff.
There's no creativity in the offense. They

699
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,199
need to be more creative. I
think the fact that you had a top

700
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:19,159
seven offense with only two shooters and
you were the most efficient team when it

701
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,480
came on on points per possession off
of cuts and the second in frequency off

702
00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:27,800
of cuts, like that's generating a
lot of movement in creative ways because you

703
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,280
don't have spacing. But that's something
that can be taken away in the playoffs.

704
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:36,320
So that's a feather in his camp. But to his critics point,

705
00:45:36,599 --> 00:45:38,519
I do think now it has to
evolve. You have Max Ruths, you

706
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:42,079
have George Gann, you have to
Hie Drum, you have more guys that

707
00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:45,360
you can get more creative. Max
Struths can run a pick and roll,

708
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:50,360
especially like off a secondary reaction.
That'd be great to see. You have

709
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,800
these great three man actions. Now
I want to see on the week side,

710
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,920
those two other guys be involved in
the play somehow, like being in

711
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:01,400
position to relocate it and leverage what
the primary action is going to be.

712
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,639
I want to see growth from the
offense because now I think that they're in

713
00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:08,079
a better position to do it.
But I totally agree man like Garland needs

714
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:13,199
to take more threats. Like even
when you look at like the thirty plus

715
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,880
feet range right like kind of like
that deep Steph cour range, he's at

716
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:20,239
forty percent there too. He should
be taking more shots. It should be

717
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,079
more pull ups. I want to
see him continue to get those off ball

718
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:27,199
reps, especially in kind of two
men game with Evan mobile. Maybe Carris

719
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,159
laverts out there as a pick and
roll ball handler and you have Garland relocating

720
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:35,119
off of a Spain action or something
like that. I just want to see

721
00:46:35,199 --> 00:46:38,679
him continue to grow his game,
because I really do think he is right

722
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:45,800
in that Steph mold of point guards
that are so good on and off ball

723
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:47,519
that you can put any type of
talent around them. Like I just think

724
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:52,320
from a team building standpoint, he
is so malleable. It really like it's

725
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:57,800
him, it's staff, it's haliburn, like these guys that just work well

726
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,400
with any combination of players. And
I think that that's a really special thing

727
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:05,639
to have the other aspect of this
team that receives so much focus. And

728
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:08,079
I'm actually kind of shocked at it
took us forty five plus minutes to get

729
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:10,880
here. Is okay? You have
the two bigs and now you have two

730
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:15,360
small guards. And so what was
just your general impression of the year one

731
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,480
Donovan Mitchell experience and what are you
looking at him? And then of course

732
00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:23,440
the dynamic with Garland. What are
you watching for most closely heading into year

733
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:28,440
two of it? Yeah, I
mean it's obviously you know, you have

734
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:31,880
two guards like six three in below, that's always going to be a storyline

735
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:37,920
and that's would max everybody in that
situation they see guard sixty three six four

736
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:43,920
and under there, they're all about
it, of course, and this is

737
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,800
going to be a real test,
right Like people kind of say it like

738
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,760
as a negative thing, like,
oh, you know, they have a

739
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,320
decision to make with Donna Mitchell.
Like I think it goes both ways,

740
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:58,519
right, Like I think in today's
NBA you constantly like you're collaborating with players

741
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:02,480
on your team. You're you're involving
them as partners in that process. And

742
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,280
like when you look at Donna and
Mitchell from a team building standpoint, it's

743
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,519
interesting because he's not a talented enough
playmaker to play the point guard position.

744
00:48:10,599 --> 00:48:15,079
So that means, with very few
exceptions, he's going to be playing with

745
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:19,039
another small guard. So if you're
going to make Donna and Mitchell work with

746
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:22,000
a point guard, You're probably going
to need to have two bigs to cover

747
00:48:22,119 --> 00:48:25,440
for that, or two good rim
protectors to have that. So in theory,

748
00:48:25,519 --> 00:48:29,960
the Cavs should be the kind of
perfect fit for him, but you

749
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:31,960
know, they're going to have to
prove this year that they're on the right

750
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,400
path to contention and that they're the
best fit for winning for him, And

751
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,320
he's going to have to prove to
them that you know, this can work,

752
00:48:39,639 --> 00:48:43,280
this two guard pairing can work,
because the guys are going to have

753
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,159
a decision to make two right,
Like it's not a one way street there.

754
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:50,360
But I am impressed by just how
bought and Donna Mitchell was like right,

755
00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:54,239
you look even at the summer,
like he's constantly working, organizing workouts

756
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:59,800
with teammates, having JB over to
his house to study film. JB said

757
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,079
that he kind of gave him a
list of things that he wanted Mitchell to

758
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:07,079
work on in this SAW season and
that in their workouts together, just the

759
00:49:07,159 --> 00:49:09,599
two of them, like he knocked
out of the park, Like he's completely

760
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:14,159
bought into what the kaz are doing. And as long as Donna Mitchell is

761
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,320
completely bought in. If at the
end of the season they come up well

762
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:22,199
short again and they're not the best
position to contend, you know, Okay,

763
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:25,880
maybe you have to look on the
trademarket and figure out what's going on.

764
00:49:27,159 --> 00:49:30,639
But I do think that this can
really work. I think the addition

765
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:34,840
of Max Jersey and shooting around them
is going to make this pairing really work.

766
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,800
And the fact that Mitchell was able
to come in have his best season

767
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:45,880
of his career is by far his
most efficient season without taking away anything from

768
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:50,920
Garland. While Mobley was still able
to blossom into an eighteen point per game

769
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,679
player down the second half of the
season, and when Mowbley was averaging eighteen,

770
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:59,400
Alan's point per game went up as
well. He was a fifteen point

771
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,239
per game player. Well, Mitchell
was getting twenty six and Garland was getting

772
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:06,880
twenty two and Mowbli's getting eighteen,
Like they were getting so much meat off

773
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,639
the bone when it came to those
four together, and I really just feel

774
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:15,599
like it came down to improve in
the supporting cast around them. And if

775
00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:19,480
that's not enough, you're gonna have
to evaluate, Okay, does a change

776
00:50:19,559 --> 00:50:21,880
need to be made in the backcourt. Does the change need to be made

777
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,440
with the big man pairing. I
don't think so, but you have to

778
00:50:24,519 --> 00:50:30,960
be open to that as a possibility. I was surprised when because you mentioned

779
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,639
I think the evaluation is important and
that there will be some kind of It's

780
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:36,840
not either or to me, and
I'm like, these guys are still so

781
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:38,159
young. You've said all their ages
a couple of times on the pod that

782
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:43,760
next season could not go well and
you can still believe in it. But

783
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,119
I was surprised. And it was
Tim Bontemps when he had the little like

784
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:52,840
monologue on the Hoop Collective about how
moved on Ivan Mitchell right now. I

785
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,800
was, I understand if you're gonna
take the pessimist view and you think that

786
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:59,920
he really wants to end up so
and so in Miami or New York or

787
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,760
something. But I'm just like,
you have to see this through for another

788
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,920
year, because one, I don't
actually think it's trade value is that much

789
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:08,480
less if you wait a year,
if you even if you even get to

790
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:13,360
that point and you're so good that
like, if things break right, you

791
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:15,079
could come out of the East,
you could this team could win the title.

792
00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:19,000
Like that is that is, I
don't know if it's not a likely

793
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,880
possibility, but it's a legitimate possibility. So I was just surprised that him

794
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:24,440
is specifically saying like, oh,
you would need to make this decision now,

795
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:29,480
and it's like, I just don't
think you do. Yeah, Like

796
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:32,280
his full premise, like if you
listen to the whole clip is I think

797
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,719
the Cats are going to lose in
the first round again, and if they

798
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,960
do, Dono Mitchell's probably going to
wand out. And I'm like, yeah,

799
00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:43,960
that's probably then, Like if that's
the way this goes, yeah,

800
00:51:44,199 --> 00:51:47,559
Like I don't think that that's an
unreasonable take. But just like last year,

801
00:51:47,639 --> 00:51:52,199
I said, even though they have
all the kind of like marketings of

802
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:54,239
a contender, they're not a contender. I think this is the first year

803
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:58,960
where they're kind of in that dumb
course mix. Like I still think they're

804
00:51:59,039 --> 00:52:00,960
probably going to take an up or
lump, like that's the way this stuff

805
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,920
works. But I do think they're
at the point where they just they can't

806
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,679
get embarrassed in a series, like
they need to go out, they need

807
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,760
to be competitively against the top teams
in the East. They need to win

808
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,559
around I think that they have a
shot at being a conference finals team,

809
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:20,039
but large part of that's going to
be how well they play in the regular

810
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:22,480
season, Right like if they get
up to the two seed, which I

811
00:52:22,559 --> 00:52:29,960
mean if if that egregious Joel em
beat offensive foul doesn't get called back and

812
00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:31,840
he fouls out of the game,
the Kays are the three seeds. They

813
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,920
would have had the tiebreaker over Philly, they would have had enough wins to

814
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,199
get there, and you know,
they would have made the second round,

815
00:52:38,639 --> 00:52:43,000
but just because they would have beat
the Brooklyn Nets, because everyone would have

816
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,199
beat the Brooklyn Nets, they were
not a good team. That's the trade

817
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,679
deadline. If they would have won
a round and got embarrassed in the second

818
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:51,360
round, or even if they were
competitive in the second round because you know

819
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,880
it's the better matchup, or whatever
the case may be, all of the

820
00:52:54,039 --> 00:52:59,159
same flaws that got exposed were still
there. All the work that needed to

821
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,440
be done was still there. So
in some ways, it was almost great

822
00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:07,679
that the worst case scenario came to
pass where and it wasn't even like a

823
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,679
Donovan Mitchell plays great and everyone else
plays poorly. It's not a lebron In

824
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:15,039
twenty eight team type of scenario,
Mitchell played terribly Like, if Mitchell played

825
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:19,679
even just where he was at in
the regular season, they win that series.

826
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,719
If Mobily played to where he was
at in the regular season, they

827
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:27,400
win that series. Right. It's
just one of those spots where there's so

828
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:31,239
many points of failure that it forces
every single person on the team to look

829
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:36,199
inward and look at where they can
improve internally. The front office approached the

830
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,559
situation with the utmost seriousness and went
out and really tried to get as many

831
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:44,159
pieces as they could and improve the
team as much as they could. JD

832
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,199
has talked about how he needs to
be better. So I do think that

833
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:52,719
they're on the right footing to have
a much better season this year. If

834
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,079
the Calves are the ones that are
ultimately like, there's nothing going on with

835
00:53:55,159 --> 00:53:59,199
Donovan Mitchell or Jerry Allen or Devistard, if they're the ones calling the shots

836
00:53:59,239 --> 00:54:04,280
here. From like a front office
perspective, what is the dynamic of this

837
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,159
team that's under more scrutiny? Is
it the dual bigs or is it the

838
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:13,239
dual smaller guards. I think it's
the dual biggs. It's, you know,

839
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,079
a battle I've been fighting, but
I think that's kind of the I

840
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:20,239
think that would be the first domino
because in all honestly, I think Dona

841
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:24,360
Mitchell next summer is signing a long
extension. I think you look at historically

842
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,000
that's usually the way it goes with
stars, and then maybe like two years

843
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:32,400
later you're looking at, Okay,
the same kind of trade conversation that Utah

844
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:37,880
on in. But stars just don't
get free agency. They don't turn down

845
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,920
the money. And I think that
this is like, this is such a

846
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:47,280
good situation for him, and like
as much attention as the next get.

847
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:52,039
You listen to Ian Begley and Zach
Low, they did kind of like a

848
00:54:52,119 --> 00:54:55,719
Knicks trade target and Mitchell didn't come
up. Actually, Mitchell did come up

849
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:59,880
because Begley said, they've moved on
from Donna Mitchell and they're targeting wings and

850
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:01,719
bigs. They're going after be honest, they're going after Joel and b They're

851
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:06,880
going after Ogmaobi, They're going after
pass Galcyackham right like, and if they

852
00:55:07,039 --> 00:55:12,559
blow their wad on trade asses,
like if they trade for one of these

853
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:17,119
guys, they're not going to have
the assets to get don Van Mitchell there.

854
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:21,920
And Mitchell like he's not going to
go to Brooklyn. Brooklyn's not a

855
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:25,639
good team. Like if Mitchell cares
more about where he's playing than how good

856
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,480
it is and how like whether or
not that's a winning team, then that's

857
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:34,400
not someone who want to build around. And I don't think that's the case.

858
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,840
Like even in like pessimistic Cleveland reporting, like the day after they lost

859
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:42,079
to the Knicks, Jason Lloyd talked
about basically, Oh, they're going to

860
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:44,800
have to figure things out. He's
going to need a sign extension or he'll

861
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:49,119
get traded the next summer. He
said his number one priority is winning,

862
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,119
So I have no reason to doubt
that. I have no reason to doubt

863
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:58,239
his commitment. And for all those
reasons, I think the Biggs are going

864
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,039
to be kind of the point that's
most scrutinized. So like even if they're

865
00:56:01,079 --> 00:56:04,960
able to, you know, like
if they have to reevaluate and say,

866
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,920
all right, let's go get ourselves
as stretch vibe, let's go find a

867
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:10,440
way to get Miles Turner as an
example, Like maybe they go that route,

868
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:15,320
but I think Jared Allen is a
more talented offensive player than it gets

869
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:20,239
credit for. That pairing has been
so good. Their rookie year. It

870
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,920
was so good the second year together, and the offensive rating was actually good

871
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,760
with the two of them together last
year. And the thing I always keep

872
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,679
in mind is this is the worst
that pairing is going to be offensively,

873
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:37,039
like from a skill development standpoint,
As Mobile gets better and as Jared Allen

874
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:39,760
gets better, because now he's starting
to enter his physical prime, it's going

875
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,760
to become easier. As Garland gets
better, like he's twenty three years old.

876
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:47,480
People forget he's literally a year old
in an animod. As he gets

877
00:56:47,519 --> 00:56:50,920
better, it's going to get easier. As Don Mitchell gets better, it's

878
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:52,840
going to get easier. Is the
supporting cast gets better, It's going to

879
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:57,559
get easier. So I'm still a
believer it can work. But I think

880
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,760
that that is the part that gets
danize and changed up. If they do

881
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,480
need to pull the trigger on a
trade or maybe you know, Alan elevates

882
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:09,760
himself to the point where he can
be part of another consolidation trade to get

883
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:15,000
a star wing and they get like
a Jonas or a Steven Adams type,

884
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,480
just k mit it eat or at
the center position, because you can do

885
00:57:17,639 --> 00:57:22,039
that. Like obviously wings matter more, But I just don't think the type

886
00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:24,719
of wings that the cas would trade
Alan for are going to be available.

887
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,800
Yeah, I would agree with everything
you said, And I think it's also

888
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:31,960
fair to say that it should be
the bigs that are under more scrutiny because

889
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,880
that just involves Evan Mobile. And
I still think he's like the single most

890
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:40,719
important player to the franchise. And
I think it's just Alan is way more

891
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,599
skilled on offense. You're right,
Like he can decision make more and he

892
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:46,360
moves really well off the ball,
and there's like that, Like the chemistry

893
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,800
with Evan Mobley is great. Just
the absence, just functionally of that one

894
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:52,920
thing. If if Mobile doesn't have
a mid range game or a three point

895
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,400
shot, and then Alan doesn't have
either of those, that's what makes it

896
00:57:55,840 --> 00:58:00,079
so tough. And so I think
in theory you can approximate Jared Allen and

897
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,199
more with a lesser player than you
can any of the other three in Mobwi

898
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:09,400
and Garland and Mitchell. Uh this
is you mentioned him earlier in this podcast.

899
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:13,719
Do you have Dean Wade optimism for
this year like his last year?

900
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:15,480
Very much? He was just so
injured. He had even recently talked about

901
00:58:15,519 --> 00:58:19,920
how Kevin Love leaving impacted him as
well. Where are you at with him

902
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,280
and what type of role should we
expect him to have out the gate.

903
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,519
I still have a little bit of
concern. I think he said he's at

904
00:58:25,519 --> 00:58:30,320
about eighty percent range of motion in
his shoulder, like he doesn't have the

905
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:36,400
hitch when he's shooting eighty percent.
Yeah, that seems concerning. Yeah,

906
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:38,559
like he doesn't have the hitch in
it, but he can't kind of go

907
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:42,800
like all the way back or something
like that with his you know, collar

908
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:46,360
bone getting dislocated last year, which
again, you play the Toronto Raptors,

909
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:51,639
you leave with injuries and it's what
it is. I'm hopefully that's not the

910
00:58:51,719 --> 00:58:54,199
case now when Nick Nurse is gone. But yeah, like I have some

911
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:59,480
optimism just because like when he was
healthy, he's kind of giving them that

912
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:02,840
grant with Lilliam's type roll right like
that that three to four can play that

913
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,000
small ball four stretches the floor.
While he improved as a movement shooter,

914
00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:12,800
he started shooting his back. He's
got his confidence back there, so hopefully

915
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,599
it can help. But I don't
expect him to be in the opening night

916
00:59:15,719 --> 00:59:19,159
rotation. I think George Niang's going
to kind of take that role. Like

917
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:23,519
I think obviously starting five is the
core forward Strews and you got Lavert a

918
00:59:23,639 --> 00:59:28,800
core row and Yang that would be
kind of my guest for the eighth and

919
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,800
then it's all a matter of maybe
matchups of whether you go to a Dean

920
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,119
Wade or you go to a Damian
Jones, or you go to the Taie

921
00:59:35,199 --> 00:59:37,559
Jerome, Like I think that that's
kind of the way that they would approach

922
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:43,840
it. So still have some optimism, but it wouldn't surprise me if another

923
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:45,159
team's just like, Okay, we're
going to take the chance of it,

924
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:51,480
like Brooklyn where we got enough old
guys, we're gonna move Royce O'Neil,

925
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:57,199
Like give Dona Mitchell's best friend in
the league back and hast give another wing,

926
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,079
Like I want them to find Eric
pash Gal want that too? You

927
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:05,880
want why why not? Man?
So I can see something like that happening.

928
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,360
But and like when he's right,
he actually is a helpful player,

929
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:12,800
Like that's a great player development story
for the Cavs, getting him from an

930
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:16,599
undrafted player to someone that you know
earned a second contract. You you listen

931
01:00:16,639 --> 01:00:21,960
to Windhorst say yeah, like he's
got value on the tripe marketing teams want

932
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,679
the in wait. That's a successful
story, and I hope that you can

933
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:30,039
provide that value for the Cavs.
CAVSDNT seemed elated that they got Emny Bates

934
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:35,480
at number forty nine. I always
forget, I always forget he's on the

935
01:00:35,519 --> 01:00:39,320
team. Do you have any thoughts
general impressions about he's not going to be

936
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:42,800
a factor this year? But have
you, you know, put any time

937
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:45,400
into thinking about like what he could
become or how intriguing he might actually be.

938
01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:52,320
Have I put thought into a six
ten wing that shoots the ship on

939
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:57,960
the ball and what he could be
faking draws very frequently Michael Porter Junior comparisons,

940
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:00,719
and after watching Michael Porter Junior in
the playoff, that's like, oh

941
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:08,280
man, I'm more into Amani than
I was at the draft after Summer League,

942
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:13,400
because one of the things he talked
about was, you know, like

943
01:01:13,519 --> 01:01:16,800
just how weird the college situation was
for him, Like at Memphis he has

944
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:21,840
put into a point guard role,
which he wasn't and then you know,

945
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:25,280
Eastern Michigan was just kind of a
weird situation where there wasn't a lot of

946
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:30,679
talent there and he's taking every single
shot. He talked about the pressure that

947
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:35,039
he was kind of put under with
the spotlight being on him, you know,

948
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:37,840
the next Kevin Durant and all that
stuff, and he talked about how

949
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:40,320
going to therapy really helped him out
it, and he's in a better headspace

950
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:45,440
now. And I think just the
fact that he got so much better as

951
01:01:45,679 --> 01:01:50,199
Summer League went on and was playing
like a role and he was the shot

952
01:01:50,239 --> 01:01:53,119
selection was getting better. He was
making kind of right team plays like that

953
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:59,599
was two weeks after the draft and
just already working with Mike Garty. He

954
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:02,840
started to see that growth there.
So I think a full year working with

955
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:08,480
Garritty with the Charge obviously having the
Charge now in Cleveland, and these guys

956
01:02:08,519 --> 01:02:12,360
being able to practice together, I
think that's going to be really, really

957
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,119
helpful. And it wouldn't surprise me. You know, you have an injury

958
01:02:15,199 --> 01:02:17,480
or two, Let's get him up
here. That's the purpose of a two

959
01:02:17,519 --> 01:02:20,559
way contract, right Like, let's
get him up here. Let's give him

960
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:22,559
a few reps in games. Let's
see what he can do as a spot

961
01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:29,159
up shooter. I think the shooting
talent is obviously very real, and if

962
01:02:29,199 --> 01:02:31,840
he can just kind of adjust the
playing team ball. There's going to be

963
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:36,199
a spot for him, and that's
the right type of upside swing. Like

964
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:42,079
at pick forty seven, having a
guy like even become a rotation player is

965
01:02:42,199 --> 01:02:45,159
such an outlier and such a win
that when you get someone that you know

966
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:52,800
has real talent at real upside,
that's it's an exciting possibility and I'm definitely

967
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,239
going to end up watching a lot
of charge games that, especially with Craig

968
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:59,599
Porter Junior there too. Oh Matt, I'm all over Craig Porter Junior being

969
01:02:59,639 --> 01:03:05,079
the next Eric White. I'm I
am telling you of all the two way

970
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:07,440
guys, like as excited as I
am about Bates, Craig Porter Jr.

971
01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:10,719
Is going to be a dude.
That guy is the next Eric White.

972
01:03:12,639 --> 01:03:15,320
I could not be more excited for
him. I think he's going to be

973
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,280
the backup point guard of the future. I like Lisiah Mobley as well as

974
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:22,320
kind of like a poor man's Al
Horford, Like, I think they've done

975
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,880
a really good job kind of finding
value in the margins with these guys and

976
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:30,320
finding interesting prospects. On that note
of an ode to Craig Porter Junior,

977
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:37,039
are you ready for the cookie Cutter
portions. What's the ten man rotation look

978
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:39,639
like for this team at full strength? Yeah, well I minus Rubio.

979
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:43,679
I don't really know how to handle
that. Yeah, so starting five,

980
01:03:44,239 --> 01:03:49,159
Okoro, Lavert will put that Lavert
will be six man, but Lavert Okoro

981
01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:52,639
George mean, after that, I
would guess he and Wade and tiderome like.

982
01:03:53,519 --> 01:03:57,199
I don't know what's going to happen
with Ricky, So maybe you put

983
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:01,000
Ricky slash TI Drome, but I
think that's probably the ten guy. I

984
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:05,039
don't know if Damian Jones is gonna
like anything you just said no, And

985
01:04:05,159 --> 01:04:09,360
who knows, Maybe he's the next
Miles Turner. I mean, he shot

986
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:15,199
like seventy percent from three last year, another Vanderbilt guy, so I've seen

987
01:04:15,239 --> 01:04:18,480
a lot of him in Garland working
out together, and apparently he's really worked

988
01:04:18,519 --> 01:04:21,880
on that corner three. So who
knows. Maybe you got to go there,

989
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:26,719
But at the very least I feel
a lot better about him getting minutes.

990
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,760
If there's an injury to the bigs
that it did about Robin Lopez,

991
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:34,760
do you expect their preferred crunch time
unit to just be there starting five or

992
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:39,920
could you see some fuxing and fiddling
based on matchups with that Max Strew spot.

993
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:45,519
Specifically, I expect it to be
the starting five, but it might

994
01:04:45,639 --> 01:04:48,079
be matchup to pen him. Like
the funny thing is stress played like twenty

995
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:51,679
seven percent of his minutes a power
forward for the for the heat. Like,

996
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,599
so that's weird with like the Jimmy
Butler stuff where it's like Jimmy might

997
01:04:56,639 --> 01:05:00,280
have been the nominal four and a
lot of those yeah yeah, Like it's

998
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,039
it's such kind of a weird spot
that I could almost see them maybe doing

999
01:05:03,079 --> 01:05:05,199
that with Isaac o Coral, right, Like, if you need a point

1000
01:05:05,239 --> 01:05:11,159
of attack defender out there that's not
Garland or Mitchell, maybe you need to

1001
01:05:11,199 --> 01:05:13,880
have a core out there in those
closing minutes. And I don't know if

1002
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,519
that would be instead of Strew's,
if that would be instead of Jared Allen

1003
01:05:17,559 --> 01:05:21,719
and you're closing with Evan Mobley at
the five with Screws and Ocoro is the

1004
01:05:21,800 --> 01:05:26,519
front court. H it's a little
small, but you know that's very mobile

1005
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,679
and very switchy, So that might
be a direction that they go. So

1006
01:05:30,719 --> 01:05:32,079
I think it's gonna be matchup dependent, but I would I would expect it

1007
01:05:32,159 --> 01:05:36,079
to be the starters, and I
think for the most part in the regular

1008
01:05:36,159 --> 01:05:40,920
season, this is a team that's
well built to kick ass in the regular

1009
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:45,760
season. So the closing lineup might
be Taie Jerome Isaaco, Corol Carouse,

1010
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:53,320
Lavern and Dabian Jones. Is there
a weirdo, oddball, quirky lineup you

1011
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:58,400
would like to see them try?
Ah, I'd like to see garland O,

1012
01:05:58,599 --> 01:06:03,000
Corot, Ruce Niang and Mobili as
kind of like a second unit lineup.

1013
01:06:03,239 --> 01:06:06,679
I just it was something they were
doing towards the end of the season

1014
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:11,760
where they had a cool playing it
as a shooting garden and screening more for

1015
01:06:12,159 --> 01:06:15,039
the guards. There was a win
over the heat where basically they just kind

1016
01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:18,400
of spanned that at the end of
the game and Okoro got to lay up

1017
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:21,599
here, he got free froze and
just kind of killed them as the roller

1018
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:27,079
at the two. I'd like to
see that, especially with the playmaking of

1019
01:06:27,199 --> 01:06:30,440
Mobili. If he's kind of high
post option and you have a cool cutting

1020
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,360
you have Garland playing off of them
and spaces around them. I think that

1021
01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:38,920
could be a fun second unit lineup. So mine doesn't have a puncher's chance

1022
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,880
in hell of ever happening and I
thought a lot about it where I wanted

1023
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,159
to see Mobili as the primary playmaker
and I'm like, oh, I could

1024
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:47,320
fit Donovan Mitchell into here, like
he's not too much of a point guard,

1025
01:06:47,639 --> 01:06:50,920
but I decided to leave him off, and I want to see Mobili

1026
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:56,519
with Niang Strews, Dean Wade is
Isaaca Coro. I don't want any bones.

1027
01:06:56,639 --> 01:07:00,239
I don't want to leave anything to
chance. I want Mobili running the

1028
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,679
show. I don't think that's going
to happen. I don't think there's a

1029
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,880
chance and hell that you even get
a minute of that. But that would

1030
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:11,400
be fun, that would be very
interesting, and that would probably speak to

1031
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:16,119
a level of development from isaacal Coral. That will be exciting because he's talked

1032
01:07:16,119 --> 01:07:19,639
about many times it's an adjustment for
him to not have the ball in his

1033
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:26,920
hands. So who knows, maybe
him at point guarda along with Evan Mobley

1034
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:31,480
is exactly what the doctor ordered.
They're over under as we record. This

1035
01:07:32,159 --> 01:07:35,039
is fifty point five, and they
are one of the teams where it's proof

1036
01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:40,440
that Vegas does a really good job
I think with their lines for most teams,

1037
01:07:40,519 --> 01:07:42,920
and this would be one of those
teams or would you hit the over

1038
01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:45,760
under on that? And where do
you see them stacking up in the larger

1039
01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:48,320
context of the East. Yeah,
I think they're going to be in the

1040
01:07:48,400 --> 01:07:54,639
two three mix in the Eastern Conference. I think Milwaukee's probably the one seed,

1041
01:07:54,719 --> 01:07:58,679
and then it just comes down to
how healthy is Boston and how seriously

1042
01:07:58,800 --> 01:08:02,119
do they take the regular season?
But obviously Philly took a big step back.

1043
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,159
I think the Knicks are going to
be good, but I don't think

1044
01:08:05,199 --> 01:08:08,719
they're going to be a better regular
season team than the cast. Again,

1045
01:08:09,559 --> 01:08:14,320
I do not say anything about like
even close to that on Twitter or else.

1046
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,399
Knicks fans will be incredibly angry and
my mentions, Yeah, yeah,

1047
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:20,760
it's going to be Mitchell Robinsons,
their dad and all that stuff. Yeah,

1048
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:26,119
congrats, congrats on your one shining
moment. I think there. I

1049
01:08:26,199 --> 01:08:28,920
think the Knicks are arching a team
that's set up well for long term with

1050
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:30,800
success. And I think you know, the Cats are going to have multiple

1051
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:36,359
playoff series with them. I think
the cast count levels just higher, especially

1052
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:40,520
in the regular season, so I
think they'll be in that two three mix.

1053
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,920
I would slam the over, Like
I said, they got fifty one

1054
01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:45,159
last year. They were one among
one of the most injured teams in the

1055
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:48,640
league last year. They're a lot
deeper, They're going to get better.

1056
01:08:49,119 --> 01:08:55,000
He's got worse around them. I'd
slam the over there. If Miami doesn't

1057
01:08:55,039 --> 01:08:58,239
get Dame, which maybe they do, I think everyone expects them too.

1058
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:02,199
But if Miami doesn't get Day but
almost feels like three is the Cows's floor

1059
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,720
in that scenario in this Eastern Conference, I'll give you a little bit spicier.

1060
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:12,359
I don't think Miami's a home court
team even with Dame, because you

1061
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:16,760
know, they're not a team that
takes the regular season like incredibly seriously.

1062
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:21,600
Dame misses a lot of time.
Jimmy misses a lot of time. Dame

1063
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:27,039
hasn't played off ball in a very
long time. He's going to need to

1064
01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:29,640
do a little bit of that playing
with Jimmy Butler. Jimmy Butler hasn't played

1065
01:09:29,640 --> 01:09:32,560
off ball. There's going to be
growing pains there. And when you look

1066
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,239
at like spacing around them. So
let's say Dame's got the ball and they

1067
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:42,479
traded Tyler Hero and Duncan Robinson four
Dame. Okay, so you lost gave

1068
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,680
Vince, you lost Drews, you
lost hero. You lost Duncan Robinson in

1069
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:50,199
terms of spacers, and you're counting
on low volume Josh Richardson and like Caleb

1070
01:09:50,319 --> 01:09:54,560
Martin to be your spaces. Like, I think that's a team that's going

1071
01:09:54,600 --> 01:09:57,439
to be a pain in the ass
in the playoffs. But I think,

1072
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,640
you know, maybe a five seed
in the regular season. I've not gone

1073
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,800
through it yet. I will say
the Calves are one of two teams and

1074
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,119
I'm sure he gets the other one
I'm considering to pick to come out of

1075
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:09,520
the East this year. Like,
that's how high I am on them,

1076
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:14,239
and I think with the right turn
from Mobli like it just this team could

1077
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:17,800
be a bear, an absolute an
absolute monster. Is there anything or anyone

1078
01:10:18,319 --> 01:10:24,439
I did not ask about that you
think we need to discuss? No,

1079
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:29,399
I think we were pretty thorough here. I'll kind of change this up and

1080
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,119
just kind of address what you're saying
of like they could come out of the

1081
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:39,159
East. You still gotta learn the
lessons from the Lebron era, which is,

1082
01:10:40,119 --> 01:10:42,880
you know, the best player really
does matter. And I think the

1083
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:49,439
Calves can make DCF. But Janna
still exists and that's a particularly interesting matchup

1084
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:54,880
there, and I just can help
but worry. It's like an Atlanta Hawks

1085
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,720
thing of like this great team that
gets to the regular season and then all

1086
01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,000
of a sudden you have that problem
to solve. And I think that's going

1087
01:11:00,079 --> 01:11:05,000
to be a fascinating part of the
cast team building is I don't know if

1088
01:11:05,039 --> 01:11:09,880
there's a top five player on this
roster, but can you make that up

1089
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:14,159
in the aggregate? Can you have
you know, Mobile be a top fifteen

1090
01:11:14,319 --> 01:11:19,319
player, Garland and Mitchell both top
twenty five yearn Allen top ten center and

1091
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:24,720
enough help around them that you're able
to win that way, or can Mobili

1092
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:28,680
elevate his game where he does get
into that conversation right like, they need

1093
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:31,279
to find that path, whether it's
in the aggregate or whether it's a Mobile

1094
01:11:31,359 --> 01:11:36,880
development this season. Though as much
as I think Mobile is going to improve,

1095
01:11:38,479 --> 01:11:41,479
I think the biggest leap, the
most meaningful leap they're going to get,

1096
01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:45,319
is from Darius Garland. I really
think that he's going to take a

1097
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,840
very significant leap and if that's coupled
with Evan Mobley kind of taking that first

1098
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:54,720
like mini leap they saw Garland take
two years ago when here's a cass best

1099
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:57,960
player and led them in forty five
wins, you see kind of like first

1100
01:11:58,039 --> 01:12:00,800
leap of Okay, I'm I'm finding
footing them finding my voice in the NBA.

1101
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:05,279
You couple those two together, and
I think the Eastern Conference Finals running

1102
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:11,760
is definitely a possibility for this team. I think what's most intriguing about a

1103
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:15,479
Cav's coming out of the East scenario
is how, yeah, they might not

1104
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,560
have the top five or even the
top ten player like you said, but

1105
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:21,920
they're so comprehensively good. And if
Mobiley is like you know, he shot

1106
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:26,439
I think it was like forty three
percent on pull up two's last year.

1107
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,560
If he's like a forty four percent
mid range shooter, like, they might

1108
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:34,800
be the team with the fewest weaknesses
in the East because of what they did

1109
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:39,319
in the offseason. And that is
appealing to me because even with Milwaukee,

1110
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:43,279
we've seen the fatal flaw Drew Holiday
shot selection in the playoffs, Like,

1111
01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:45,000
yeah, he'll hit those step backs
in the regular season, not during the

1112
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:49,119
playoffs. Middleton's knee is a big
deal. And then just like Jannis has

1113
01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:53,800
his own limitations, So like if
Evan Mobley's hit more of his mid range

1114
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:59,000
jumpers than Jannis is, like that
that's just so meaningful. But I understand

1115
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:00,279
what you're saying, where it's like, yes, the best player in a

1116
01:13:00,359 --> 01:13:04,680
series matters, and the Calves are
less likely to have that then the Bucks

1117
01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:10,880
because Jannis exists, But there might
be so they might be good enough that

1118
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:14,840
they're in the position where weirdness happens
they can get through, right, Like,

1119
01:13:15,119 --> 01:13:19,199
we see that as much as we
discussed these teams on paper, shit

1120
01:13:19,319 --> 01:13:23,239
happens. Like Milwaukee's lost in the
first round a couple of times now,

1121
01:13:23,399 --> 01:13:27,520
right, Like, and you know, honestly, do really is losing the

1122
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,359
first round or win the championship?
Yeah, like it's possible. They don't

1123
01:13:30,359 --> 01:13:34,000
even go that round. Like maybe
they played Boston who they had Boston's number

1124
01:13:34,119 --> 01:13:39,000
last year, Like they played Boston
really well, they're about to have it

1125
01:13:39,039 --> 01:13:42,319
again too, because Boston is not
built to defend Jannis anymore. They just

1126
01:13:42,399 --> 01:13:45,960
decided that wasn't like a you know, let's get Chris Stops instead of having

1127
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:51,159
Marcus Smart help out with that.
I think Boston got worse and now you

1128
01:13:51,359 --> 01:13:57,680
lost your best point of attacker and
playmaker, and that's not a good thing

1129
01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:00,920
for a team you already didn't match
up well against. The cow because Darius

1130
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:06,600
Garland Donno Mitchell is a handful,
So I'm interested to see how that matchup

1131
01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:11,520
goes. But like maybe that's if
that's the conference finals. That's a team

1132
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,520
that's beat themselves a lot of times, Like they should have never lost to

1133
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:16,960
the Warriors. Yeah, Jason Katum
had a shoulder injury, of course,

1134
01:14:17,079 --> 01:14:19,520
you know, like when the Warriors
when there's usually an injury on the other

1135
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:24,359
side. But like that's a that's
a team that you guys go out and

1136
01:14:24,399 --> 01:14:27,560
beat themselves, Like that's why they
almost lost to Miami the year before,

1137
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,359
and that's why they lost to Miami
this year. They go out and they

1138
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,520
beat themselves. So if the Calves
stop beating themselves, they're going to be

1139
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:38,840
in a much better position. Justin
thank you for this as always, you

1140
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,399
were so generous with your time and
insight. Are you able to tell our

1141
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:44,399
listeners where they can find you and
all the great work that you do.

1142
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,239
Absolutely wherever you're listening to this podcast, you can find the Chase Down Podcast.

1143
01:14:47,279 --> 01:14:50,760
We're on the Calf's YouTube channel.
You should go live once a week

1144
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:55,760
in the offseason, twice a week
in the regular season. Just subscribe on

1145
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:59,600
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1146
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,680
can find on Twitter at Kasanada.
Twitter's mamma called it Twitter, So I'll

1147
01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:08,079
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1148
01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:12,800
Podcast podcast. It will be in
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1149
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:15,079
to those guys that do a great
job. Thank you so much again,

1150
01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:17,680
Justin And as you know by now, I will be pestering you again in

1151
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,239
the future. Hell yeah, you
better. I'm going to hold it today