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Welcome to Talking Seinfeld, the podcast where we discuss everything we know about
the show about nothing. And here we at the end of season three.
We've made it to the finale. We're here to discuss the keys. I
am Denna, and I am going wait a minute, I'm I'm looking around
for my keys. Have you got them? Where are my keys? You've
never given me your keys? You never get me your keys either. I'd
one was going around. But it was a very it was a very nice
moment. I think it might have been the second birthday that I shared with
the lovely Louise. She gave me a key to her house. I'm like,
we're getting somewhere. Did you give her the key to your heart?
I didn't. I did that like a week into our relationship. And then
yeah, I think next no, I think her birthday. The next one
was like, here's a kid in my play. You see, I'm not
using that. Well, would I come to your dump? So? How
was your weekend? So how you been? It was good man, nice
weekend, Thank you very much. So there was a lot of eventful stuff,
mainly involving the lovely Louise. She's setting up her room as a as
a counselor for people with emotional issues, but when we've got to turn it
into a nice safe space. We'd initially bought some furnishure for it, but
then lou decided she wanted some different furnishure for it. We went and bought
it, found it on the on Facebook marketplace. I'm getting hooked on that.
I'm getting done selling shit. Sol sold the old TV that had been
gathering dust in the back room, and you know, got myself, you
know, a couple of nice Crisp fifties for it. I'm like, sweet,
get ridden and get rid of more of the junk. If I can
get some catsny for it. Um, so there was that and the you
know, sort of various events. I cooked a couple of very nice meals
and generally made myself boyfriend of the years. I no nice times this weekend.
Thank you, Danda. How about yourself? I imagine you will run
off your feet. Yeah, five year old birthday parties back to back.
So not back to back, but Saturday out for lunchtime. Five year old
birthday party had to go there. Then had a family for a barbecue,
which is always nice but maddic. Oh mate, do you I have a
story for you? Actually, holy shit, it just dawned to me Saturday
night. The barbecue caught on fire? What nearly by the fucking house down?
Legit, we're neither the fire extibition everything. The barbecue caught on fire.
I just remembered that that's just sort of shot up from the grille or
was there a problem around the gas bottle or what isn't That is a case
of a perfect case of daddy, daddy brain, my house and the corn
on fire. I forgot about it anyway, So cooking barbecue for my family
right Saturday afternoon, and all of a sudden, the flames start getting a
bit bigger, and I was like, that's gotta big. Might turn these
down the six it's a six burned to barbecue, only had two burners on
right. I'm like, pretty big. That flame might turn these right down.
Flame. I can still see I can see sort of under the grill,
but it's sort of like it's a flat top one. It's not a
proper grill. It's just a lot of flat I can see in the gaps.
I'm like, that looks pretty big under there. And all of a
sudden, look at the back of the barbecue and there's just flames coming out
at the back of the barbecue and it's right next to a fence. I'm
like, whoa. So I pull the barbecue away from the fence and the
flames should start in golfing. The barbecue is just on fire, and I'm
like, my shit, God, turn the gas off. I'm yelling out,
get the EXTINGUI should get the extinguisher. Everyone's inside, the doors closed,
laugh, you're having a good time. I'm fucking waving my arms at
the window. Get the extinguisher. They're like, what, we can't we
can't hear you. I'm like, open the fucking window. Then I pointed
like fire, and I said, Nicholas sort of says something like I think
he wants something. I'm like, get wish. I'm like doing the doing
the signals for the extinguish. I'm like, get it, get it,
get it. So they find my mum opened the window. What's wrong,
I said, fire there She goes, oh shit. Nicola runs out with
a blank at fire. Blank like, Nicola, we need an extinguish,
not a fire. I don't know where it is. I'm like, find
it now. She runs in the side, and my dad's out there too.
She get the extinguish. You finally even get it. Sprayed the barbecue
down. Man nearly beat the fucking house down. And it turns out that
it must have just been a bit of fat. Just didn't like all this
it because barbecue. I cleaned the barbecue that after doing the barbecue was clean,
but then there must have been something on the tray, the fat dripping
down the barbecue. Just didn't like it, and bam, it was off.
Holy it was. It was quite scary. For a moment. There
was dinner ruined. Dinner was the thing. So dinner was had just finished
getting cooking. Dad yells out of the window over the door and goes,
how's it going out here. I'm yeah, it's all good, it's all
finished. Get me some trays. But by that by the time Dad had
gone in to get a tray, He's looking through the keep, was looking
through the covers for trays as I'm yelling at exteen shot exteen. We shot
like it happened bag, just like that. I was like, what the
fuck? But man, it was scary. Yeah, because it was near
the fence. I'm going to burn everyone's house down. Yeah, oh god,
be absolutely hit than neighbor. Yeah. So thankfully the neighbor's next door
wren't home. Um. Yeah, but yeah, so that was a bit
of a fiasco. I kept I did keep my call though, but I
was just I was just like, fire, Can anyone see a fire right
there? Come out and help me please. So that was my afternoon,
and then Sunday morning backed up with a five yearb birthday party again. So
it was very eventful. As you can tell. You didn't hurt yourself.
Did you're not burned in anyway? No? No, no, I didn't
get burned. No no. And yeah the food didn't get burned either.
The food was all cooked which was nice. And yeah, I've just have
not gone near the barbecue since I've just left it. Oh bit, No,
you've been kind of gunshy about going back and ever using it again.
I imagine that I certainly would. Yeah, I don't know why happened.
I blame myself for something, but yeah, just that must have dripped down
and something splash. Who knows, but yeah, he caught on fire.
But we're here to discuss the keys. As you were saying, an episode
that I found very entertaining. I had I wrote down as I was watching
it. The flows just feels very consistent in this. It's very engaging.
It's a very signfeld his story, but it's got a great hook like who's
you know, giving his key to that keen and going to get that key
in and he needs to get access to Cramer's apartments that George just to let
him in, And it's just I thought the whole the whole flow of the
episode just flowed so so organically and just felt it was just really entertaining.
That was certainly, I mean, it was very hectic in terms of the
interplay between all of them and who gets what and when, which I'm normally
not that much a fan of you know, when things get overly complicated in
that regard. But I thought the episode did a really good job with it.
I mean, I think I was echoing George's thoughts when you know,
Jerry's talking about someone tells me about this guy, which means you have that
Oh yeah, how DoD know miss that? I mean that there were times
when it felt to me that it got a bit overwhelming, and that might
have gotten the way of some of the comedy. But luckily the writing is
generally strong enough, and certainly the chemistry between the cast is definitely strong enough
to keep things flowing, as he said, very very well, you know,
and even when one part, one quarter of the quartet decides to split
and go a different way entirely. Yeah, which look at this as just
imagine you're watching this in real time. You don't know what's to come.
This is a season finale. Do you think it was a good finale to
leave you with the hook of is Cramer ever going to come back? Because
this came at a time nineteen ninety two, there's a lot of the audience
the Internet wasn't around, a lot of the audience wouldn't have been reading gossip
magazines and reading what's coming up in the next season, things like that.
So there would have been a portion of the viewers that they're going, well,
was that it for Kramer? Is he gone? Is he absolutely?
Yeah? I mean there are a couple of ways you could look out it.
You could say it's either okay, well, Michael Richards might be the
breakout star of Seinfeld, and you know, this is him sort of gracefully
making his exit, and it's a nice little sort of farewell note him,
like, oh he's out in La now and he's got a job on on
on Murphy Brown, his acting dream has come true, all that kind of
stuff, and you know, oh, okay, well, if that's the
last we see a Cramer, well we had a nice run. But you
know, now we've got our three in New York, and who knows what's
going to happen next. You know, maybe New Middle get folded into the
group or something like that, or you know, oh, well this is
um Well they used called a backdoor, well they probably do still call it
a backdoor pilot for you know, a cram a second Cramer exclamation point where
it's like his wacky adventures in on the other coast, you know, but
clearly didn't go that way. But either way, it's interesting, certainly,
and you're right about the fact, Oh well, you'd have to really do
your homework to find out what's going to happen in season four of Seinfeld.
You know, this could be very, very interesting. But now I thought
it was a good way to certainly round out a season. Absolutely well,
this was to me the rounding out of the what idem is the first era
of Seinfeld. Always thought the first and three seasons was like its own sort
of era, and season four the show went in a different direction in the
sense they started incorporating story arcs across the whole season as opposed to just episode
by episode by episode. So in season four, that's where we get the
Jerry and George getting their own pilot, so it's the show within the show.
That's where that began. So I feel like Seinfeld really hit it stride
in season four. That's where it really became the biggest show in the world.
In my opinion, season four is really really sad to take off,
just from not just from a popularity perspective, but also from a writing perspective.
I thought it was at its best from season four onwards, and that's
some good episodes after season the first three seasons. But I thought it did
a good job of rounding it out. But also it's placing the it's planting
the sea that should say for what's to come. Because Julia Louis Dreyfus has
to take some time off from the show now because she's giving birth to her
son, Henry, so she's putting it throughout this so she takes some tom
from the show. So you need a viable reason for Jerry and George to
not be in New York anymore, and it's to go and chase down Cramer.
Yeah, well it's a very good it's a very good way of putting
it in a very very clever way of the show to work around that issue,
so to speaks. So yeah, I mean I'm very keen to revisit
season four. It's been a long time since I've watched since I've watched those
episodes, So yeah, I mean, it's going to be fascinating seeing how
that plays out. And you know that I love that whole show within a
show aspect, sometimes that means that it's you know, a program is disappearing
of its own arts. It can't really think of interesting things to do.
But to the best of my recollection, and it's going to be, like
I said, fun revisiting these episodes after after such a long time. Yeah,
but to the best of my memory is so ill did it in a
very entertaining way. What did you think also of the crossover aspect with Murphy
Brown, which is something Jerry and and Larry really pushed for, and they
in return they had to go on a show called Love and War, which
was created by the same person of Murphy Brown, Diane English. I'm not
sure how that show went, but but they appeared on that show after this
ad as a thank you for having who's the start of Murfy Brown. What's
his name again? Kandice Bergen Candas Burgin, That's right, yes, having
her appear on this show. So this was an era where crossovers weren't that
big, right. We were so so saturated now with the Marvel Cinematic Universe
and things like every shows appearing on every other show When in Nige nenty two
this would have felt like a big deal, especially since they were on rival
networks as well. Having Cramer appear on Murphy Brown I think she was a
CBS show. I think she was, and they were NBC. So having
two different characters appeared on because I mean they did it with Friends with Phoebe's
character she and Ursela, but they were both on the same network. These
are two opposing networks. That's a big deal, right, I mean they
still they were doing it for a long time beforehand, but it just see
it just to me, it feels more special in nineteen ninety two than what
it does in twenty twenty two because you see it all the time. Yeah,
I mean, look, it certainly was happening in nineteen ninety two and
prior to that, of course, but usually, as you point out,
they were usually on the same network, and it was very much a cross
promotion, cross branding kind of opportunities like you like him on such and such.
Don't forget that there's this show also. So yeah, there was really
a commercial within an episode. But as opposed to this, which yeah,
as you said, two different, two rival networks, it really sort of
added some degree of I guess realism. Yeah, it wasn't a marketing employee
if it felt like, Yeah, it was more like a story driven marketing
driven Yeah, Yeah, like a dramatic or comedic development. Yeah, as
opposed to, you know, someone doing someone else's favorite. It's like,
well, no, he's gone to la, He's going to appear on a
show. Yeah. The the cheap or the obvious move would have been having
Gray Michelle up on another NBC sitcom, preferably something that was, you know,
bumped up against Seinfeld on the on the schedule, but not to be
I'll move around. It's like, okay, so you're really expanding the parameters
of this of this universe to sort of take in the real world. Murphy
Brown was a show that I know was huge and big at the time,
but it just I missed it. I completely missed it. I was never
really that into what I watched you bits and pieces of it. It feels
very much like an um like an old school almost well, an eighties sitcom
um well, which it was to something ago, I mean, I'm pretty
sure something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Seinfeld feels very much its own
thing and its own thing that created other things or inspired other things, whereas
Murphy Brown feels like your traditional workplace sitcom, the cast of characters that you
that you recognize kind of characters that you recognize. Yeah, it's it's a
comfortable it's it's comfort food viewing. I just remember as the kids seeing ads
for it just seemed like an old persons show ads for scifel. Do you
think it looks funny? But Murphy Brown is seemed old and it's weird.
I can't really explain it, probably, but it just felt old. That
wouldn't interest me. Well, yeah, I mean, I say this would
all due respect to Kandasburg, and she'd been around for a very long time
work as an actor. Prior to Landy to Lead and Murphy Brown, she
had been in movies I think since the late sixties. She was kind of
Hollywood royalty as well. I think her you know, her father was an
old time entertainer who was very popular throughout the twentieth century. Candicsburger was kind
of a Hollywood it girl for a while, had roles in various things.
And I think this was not her first branch out into comedy, certainly a
first branch out at sitcoms. But I think it's surprised a little bit.
Oh no, she's actually pretty good at this. But yeah, you're right,
it was like his a familiar face leading a well worn sitcom idea.
So yeah, you're right, it was kind of the thing that your mum
and dad would watch and you were I feel, you know, a kid
or a young teenager or something. It's like, oh, it'd be nice
to sit up with the grownups and you know, oh, is this what
adults think is funny? That kind of deal. Yeah, as opposed to
Seinfeldt, which is something you can imagine people who go out to see stand
up comedy, this is the kind of sitcom that they would watch. Yeah,
because I mean, I mean, Seinfeldt is a situation comedy as well.
But yeah, it feels like a very a different kind of beast or
a different kind of flavor that. So what were your favorite moments from The
Keys, mister Davis. I want to be careful how much I sort of
talk about here, because it leads into one of my trivia questions. I
love the bit um Jerry's with his date and he's talking about you, haven't
you know? I think, oh, I've got to get the kids out
quickly because there's a you know, there's a murderer coming to get me.
And she sort of almost instantly got into it. She plays along. I
just that's my favorite as well. I'm like, how fun did that feel?
You found? You found? You found the one ever? Chick just
goes along with that kind of thing, you know, places you in a
child like that's just that's what you want. So I thought that was a
really neat little bit um some a great scene when they all go to Crame's
apartment trying to get in, not realizing the Cramers already split for the coast.
Wayne Night shows up as newman, smiling up the joint as he does,
and it turns into a bit of an old style you know, cop
TV show interrogation. Just yeah, and great line delivery from from Night there
where he's talking about it's kind to Lala land La God an absolutely kick out
of that. Just that was very, very funny. I think my favorite
bit though, was not even all that funny, not even all that comedic,
but the exchange between Cramer and George at the diner and you know,
talking about you a yearn you know, and Michael Richards is it's really good
acting actually because he's not not being Cramer, but at the same time he's
showing a bit of unforeseen heart and depth. The substance to the character.
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely unexpected levels of depth from Cramer and ye
know, and Jason Alexander plays into that as well. But at the same
time, they're realizing they're in a comedy and they can hit you know,
the necessary comedic beats and highs and lows or whatever. But no, it's
it's a scene with actual, actual substance to it that's faithful to the show
but also shows something different. Yeah. I was really really taken with that.
But find a fact about that moment though, so he says, No,
I crave, I crave all the time. Constant Craving. Katie Lange
song Constant Craving was released in the same year of nineteen ninety two. I
must have been I was a little curious about that what came first, whether
or maybe it was just one of those lovely synchronistic moments when Katie Lange was
coming up the song called Constant Craving, And who's the writer of this was
Larry David. Yeah, Larry David was having much the same idea. I
really enjoyed when they were going through um A Lane's apartment looking for Lane Scott
looking for the keys anyway, Yeah, he goes let's I pull down this
statuette and a hidden wall opens up. We've looked everywhere. I don't know
if it'd want a hidden room behind a moving wall, it would be This
is the thing. How do you disguise a hidden room? You know,
it's going to be a huge fucking house to have a room that people don't
know it's there because like that, because the outside you're like your drew ends
there, but this is big extra area over there. Well what is that?
Yeah, you're not having hidden areas in my three being three bedroom California
Bungalow and hern Hill. It's not happening. It's not that's not viable.
I think I think it's going to be at least a two story house,
right, so you can hide it underneath the first story. The hidden room
you reckon, that's a good way put it. Yeah, how would you
go about sort of approaching your architect or your builder and say, you know,
what I really like is that it is a hidden room? You could
you spell that? Please? No? Next question? All right, it's
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this week's episode of The Blockbuster Brainbuster. Mister Davis, all right, so
this episode originally added May sixth of nineteen ninety two. To take yourself back
to May of nineteen ninety two, What do you think might have been number
one at the box office? Take a stab at it and then I'll give
you some clues. Well, look, I was. I'll be up front.
I was horny for most of the early nineties, and I get the
feeling I was reaching peak horniness around nineteen ninety two because I was watching Sharon
Stone in Basic Instinct? Am I right? You are right? Did you
look it up now? No, I was thinking about nineteen ninety two.
I think about what was hot, thinking about you know, what was hot
in the first part of the year around May pretty sure less when Basic Instinct
was out? Yeah, very very big. So it was an educated yet
yeah, well done. It was basically Instinct was number one at the US
box office. How you guess the number two was? It's a movie that
I know you love clue Clue being there's a reboot coming out that we've recently
discussed it. You're not looking forward to It's I'm not looking forward to the
shitty remake of White Men Count Jump, but I will watch the original White
Men Coun't Jump with Wesleyan Woody and number three was woof, there's the clue
air. But nineteen ninety two film with a dog as the front as the
title of the movie. Is the Dog's Name? Okay? But is it
the first one or is it like one of the sequel. No, it's
the first, It's the It's original. Is a big old Beethoven Beethoven,
Yes, correct Beethoven, Yes, the Lord. A few of them love
that movie. As a kid, loved it, It's like it's the perfect
kids movie. I remember watching it. I resed to love the end sequence
the best, when they were being the bad guys being chased by other dogs
after they set them free, and I watched it I reckon about a year
ago, and I was like, this doesn't have the harm that I remember
having, Like I just remember loving this movie so much, and I watched
it, I was like, I'm not really feeling it anymore. It's weird.
Is David covering one of the bad guys in Beethoven anything? No,
it's the who's the guy from Let's Pudgy Knows? And he's in Bicentennial?
Man, I should know his name, Oh, Oliver Platt a plate a
blood? Of course? How do I don't know his name? Over Plod?
Yeah, he's the He's one of the Dufuses in the Dufus bad guys
in that movie. One of the latest. The dog is Beethove. He's
not a Saint Bernard, is he? Here's a say Bernard? Yeah?
He yeah? All right. So my first question is now I realize I
haven't actually put together any trivia questions for this week the Blockbuster Brain Blockbuster Brainbuster,
but I'll think of one. In the opening stand up, what type
of knife does Jerry discuss? It's the Ginsu knife. The Ginsu knife,
which I have no idea what a Ginsu knife is a sharp Asian knife that
they used to advertise on informercials. Is being able to cut through cans or
shoes. It's like, oh shit, if it's you know, making short
work of that air Jordan, I mean, I imagine it'll cut my eye
fill it quite nicely. So it was like the sham wow of knives.
That's the thing I mean, with Jerry taking the piss out of it this
way. I was like, oh, Kinsue knife, that's the name you
can trust. But now it's like, oh, I don't know how many
you know? Do you think Anthony Bourdaine would have bought a Ginsue knife,
you know, sitting up late that no going that's what I need for the
kitchen, or you know, Gordon Ramsey or Jamie all the No, I
think was probably suckers like you and I were like, we need a sham
nave in the kitchen. I always thought they were actually like a legit knife,
but maybe I was wrong. I never bought one anyway. But speaking
of that, yes, Jerry refers to a certain kind of meat as being
very tough in that in that opening a stand up bit. What kind of
cut was he talking about? Ruby, No, that's a very nice cut.
This was the hoof cut of course. Yes, yes, Now I
remember. My next question is what have I got? What movie was Kramer
watching that he needed gone for? Oh? He was watching thirty seconds over
Tokyo m trying to think I've ever seen I've heard thirty minutes over Tokyo.
But that's a sign Simpsons episode. All right, what's your next one?
Well, I mentioned before we were talking about Jerry's data. I don't think
we ever heard her name, but she said she was from where. Oh
and there's actually a story here starts with K, doesn't it? Is it?
K? No? Oh? No, she isn't Dan from Wichita,
Wicha. Yeah, so the joke being um that she's from Wichita, so
that she wouldn't normally know anything about murders. But then later in two thousand
and five, the b K killer or something was a guy who realized the
BT. Yeah, yeah, so he was from which he was from there?
But everyone was thought that. So people watching it now think that the
joke is that she was referencing him. But no, ninety ninety two,
no one had any idea he was actually from there. Oh yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. All right, let's try and find why. One more
question for you? One more question? All right, all right, here
you what is what is Kramer's secretary name? On Murphy Brown? His name
is Stephen Snell Schnell but snell Snell. That's correct, Well done, You're
all about it. This week is the Davi. It's got him all right,
all right, I can give you one one more if you like hit
me. When Kramer is riding on the back of the motorcycle, the rider
says he had an accident how long ago? Five years? Five years?
Five years? I don't know how that was my brain. I haven't watched
this episode like two or three days or to stay there. Apparently that guy
is a notable actor of some kind. His last name is Kramer, Eric
Allen Kramer. Let's see what he has appeared in. He actually played The
Mighty Thor. He did. Yeah, he's a sort of a relatively buffed
dude with long blonde hair. You look at him and then you look at
Chris Hemsworth and you're like, I can see why they didn't get to Eric
Allan Kramer back to play Thor, but but for the time, and I
was like, yeah, yeah, this guy looks like he could swing.
Aham. He's appeared in True Romance and Robin Hood Men in Tits as well.
Oh that's right. Yeah. If you're a fan of everything we do
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fing Your discount link is in the description of this podcast. The original air
date of The Keys was May sixth, nineteen ninety two. It was written
by Larry I've written by Larry Charles, not Larry David. It was a
Larry Larry Charles episode. I always mix them up, and yeah, I
mean you'd think it'd be difficult to do that, given that they seem like
fairly different kind of characters, Larry David, especially so in the public eye
now. But yeah, I'm like Larry Charles, no mean Larry plus and
I did well first of all, both Thursdays, Larry. Second, you
know there's surnames, are both like Christian names. It's going on here as
well, very close. Yeah, and who it was directed by Tom Cherrill
nez. That's right. So we start off with the kinseue knife stand up
as we are discussing earlier, and yeah, perhaps not buying the highest graded
meat if if you need this kinsee knife. So the episode begins with Jerry
waking up for a drink of water, and he's confused as to why his
door is open, what's going on there? And he realized that the Cramer's
in there. Are you? Are you thirsty at night? Do you?
Are you a glass of bed by the glass? Glass of bed by the
water. That would be nice, a glass of water by the bed kind
of person I used to, but then a couple of times because we've now
that BedHead where you sort of got the inner groove where you can store shit.
You know that, you know those kind of bedheads where you've got like
a like an indentation in the in the head so you can sort of rest
stuff. That's my inn and groove in the bed absolutely. And I was
putting my drinks on there, and like he bumped the bed and a drink
fell on my head like midnight during the night, and I was like,
I don't want do this anymore, and I'm gonna side table. I'm gonna
side table. Need you get a side table for the bed? Nicholas got
one. I haven't got one on last side, but but I definitely like
having a drigger watch. Sometimes I get up it's like three to thirty and
I'm like, I need a drink like my mouth is so dry. I've
taken to keeping the water bottle next to the bed. That's a good idea.
Maybe I should incorporate that, bring that idea into the bedroom. But
yeah, so Crammer wanted some popcorn. He's watching the flick and the leaves
but drops it. Yeah, that's a bit of that's gratuitous. Michael Richards,
that physical comedy. I don't think that was necessary. Yeah. Sometimes
sometimes you just sort of think it was fine as it was. You didn't
need to add that little extra bit. Yeah, yeah, this pudding is
perfectly tasty. It didn't need that extra egg. You have ragged that pudding.
Jerry then races home. Now he has to go to the toilet,
and he walks in and Cramer's having a bath. I would be furious if
my friend was doing this as well, because you know, if you're coming
home. There's another reason why I don't like the idea. People do it
these days in the America. It's a done thing. But the toilet in
the actual bathroom, it's just impractical in my opinion, because no one wants
to take a ship in a room that people have to go in there and
clean themselves in like like like if if if I'm going to have a shower,
I'm going to clean myself, I'm gonna be festering in someone's shit stink.
You know that makes a lot of sense. Absolutely, How would you
feel clean if you're washing your drying yourself after someone's taking a ship like ten
minutes prior to you having a shower. Well, hopefully they've flushed the toilet
and closed lid, but it's still stick. You can still smell it though,
like it's it's still lingers a little bit. And do you do you
not have like the little tin of bathroom spray that you put on top of
the toilet, but that smells like that's a scent of It's like someone's spraying
deodor on top of bo you know, like it's still still it's still there,
like the spray and the toilet has that distinct smell of shit mixed with
fragrance. Well, then it's going to be terrible if you go into like
a little smaller toilet that's a confined area. But I'm not showering in there,
am I? No? No, you know you're not. Absolutely,
that's the point. I don't, I don't I think I'd be okay with
it. You know, I'm not me And plus, if someone's having a
shower, how do you what do your ship on the fucking grass outside?
What do you? Yeah? You going ship nature? What are you talking
about that? Everybody does that. I'm really happy the movie was sold out.
Hey, did you ever pretend there's like murderers chasing you and you're trying
see how fast you can get your keys out and get in your apartment.
I'm from Wichitas. There is hurry, hurrying, hurry that was closed.
Did you see the look on that guy's face? So fast with those keys.
Unfortunately, Cram is already in there with a woman who is a person
who I can't actress who appears later in the show show. Her name is
c. K. Steeple, and she makes another appearance later in the series,
playing the role of Sylvia in the episode The cigarst or Indian. Do
you know what her name is in this episode? Is it Coucci? Gucci?
Well, the subtitles on Netflix where I watched this had Gucci, but
not Gucci as in House of Gucci as in the Presidious fashion label. It
was Gucci as in gub Oh I E got here it was Arnold's bully on
Different Strokes, he was the Gooch. Well did you ever watch that?
Did you watch Different Strokes? No, but the gooch is the name for
the bit of skin between your balls and your asscrack. Though, that is
true, the gooch or the team. I leaned that from Jack asked the
movie. Yeah, so yes, we I think that's just the case of
the Netflix algorithm where it just sort of gets the auto text and sort of
gets everyone's what they're saying. I think it just it's like it's spelt it
how it sounds, when really it should be g u Cec. I believe
her parents wouldn't have named her after the skin between your balls and your ass
crack. Yeah. I thought you were going to the movie. All right,
that's hand him over what you know? What the keys? I want
the kids. You've lost your key privilege to come on? Come on,
I thought you went to the movie was sold out? How was I supposed
to know what was going to be sold out? That's the point, what
point? Just look, just give me the kids, Just give me another
chair. Don't ask me. I'm asking. I'm telling you, I'm serious.
It's not gonna happen again. Yes, it will not give me those
keys. No, let go. Oh great, okay, fine, you
got ahead. Take the kids there. You're gonna regret this, all right.
Yeah. He then gives his keys to Elaine and says that Cramer has
been acting very different ever since he um ever since he took the keys off
him, including knocking on the door, which I've never seen him do to
date. Yet. It was very timid, wasn't it. It's cream cream
Yeah. But he also like he wasn't angry. He was blaming himself,
and it's almost like the Gil Trippers, like, I know I did wrong,
and that's why I was saying in a recent episode, I can't watch
it, whether it was this show another show we were doing, where if
you fuck up, just own up to it and admit to it. If
you try and make up excuses, it makes the person who was angry in
the first place even angrier because he reacted this way. Then Jerry is just
kind of like, oh now I feel bad. Take the keys back.
Yeah, you want to go back to the way things were, You want
to restore the status quires. I mean, there's annoying as Cramer can be
in terms of you know, crashing through the door or you know, taking
your bathtod when you want to you know, lay a little cable. Then,
um, I don't know. I think, yeah, you prefer the
way things used to be. So he broke the covenant of the keys or
lancers given back, and Ray doesn't want to take Jerry's keys back even know
he's offering them to him. But then he asked for his keys back.
It's just like, oh, I was like, is this is this petty
or is this just how it should be? That's the sort of the theme
of the episode is like are they being petty or they sort of just just
living by the code of the keys. I think it's a restoration of balance
as opposed to you know, settling scores. I think, you know,
you can't have one person with keys and one person without or or you know,
two sets of keys on one thing. It has to be. It
has to be even Stephen anything is why did Elane not have the keys of
Joe's apartment? Anyway, I know it doesn't make the story doesn't work as
a result, but why does Jerry in all these all these characters only have
one set of spare keys? Well, why can't they just gave no,
Cramer, you have assess a spare Setlane, you have a spare set in
case, you know, crammers away or whatever, like like a plan C.
Yeah, yeah, you needed the extra backup playing was one of that
person's out of commission in a further person but to me cut to Monks and
he's giving his keys to George. And George and Kramer, they're two characters
that I always enjoy it when they're together, but they don't feel they don't
seem to match do though they don't they don't feel right. They're so did
No, it's not an organic pairing. And that's why, you know the
scenes are you know, usually played for a bit of discomfort or awkwardness because
they're both very they're both very talented performers. Yeah, and they're able to
sort of spin a bit of gold out of that, out of the fact
that, yeah, we're friends of friends, we shouldn't really be hanging out.
I don't know if there's been an episode or there's going to be an
episode that sort of talks about that. I actually know what there was.
There was the episode where they realize that they don't have Jerry in their life.
Then that it doesn't all stick. But then they realize that when Jerry's
not around, they can talk about about Jerry. Remember that when Elaine and
I knew it, Yeah, I knew it was a sideling gear. A
year YEARN Do I YEARN I year? You year? Oh? Yes,
yes I ye? Often I sit and ye're have you you well? Not
recently? I craved three of all the time, constant craving. They haven't
yearned. Look at you a crame. It don't start. No, No,
you're wasting your life. I am luck. What you call wasting,
I call living. I'm living my life. Okay, Like what no kill
me? Do you have a job? No? You got money? No?
Do you have a woman? No? You have any prospects? No?
You got anything on the horizon? Uh? No? Do you have
any action at all? No? Do you have any conceivable reason for even
getting up in the morning. I like to get the daily news, George,
it's time for us to grow up and be man. That little boys.
Why I'm going to California. You know I got the buck. Yeah,
I think I got a touch of something through acting. But ever since
I was in that Woody Allen movie, these pretzels are making me Thursday,
you got fired, I know, I know the man. I never felt
so alive. Now you're coming with me, No, no, no,
suit yourself. But let's keep this between us. We're keep brothers. Now.
I think I'm really going to go to California. Yeah, up here,
I'm already gone. I got the acting bug and George's to stain has
carried over. Still, these petels are making me thirsty. He still has
that anger towards Cramer, the fact that he the lie I didn't Yeah,
you got fire, but that Kramer. George wants to be an actor,
but Kramer didn't. You sort of fell into it. That's that's kramer'st thing.
He falls into all these things where George has nothing going on his life
and nothing ever seems to work out for him. Yeah. Do you think
George wanted to be an actor? I think he just sort of wanted someone
to point at him and say you, I think I noticed something about you
that's interesting. Yeah, but I'll pluck you out of the crowd. I
think I think that's what George would like. I don't think he'd necessarily want
to. I don't know if Yeah, based on what this scene as saying,
I don't know if he necessarily we don't know what he wants. Maybe
George doesn't know what he wants either, But I mean, but I think
he wants to be recognized as you've got something, young man or man,
and I can see it. You can't see it, but I can see
it. I'm going to take your potential and I'm going to polish it and
shine it. Yeah, I think that's why. I think that's what it
is with George. But you're right about the whole thing. I mean,
yeah, about why you Kramer, Why did someone notice you? Yeah,
the jealousy, I think it's riven from jealousy. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
George and Elaine have got here now have a very confusing discussion about who
gets whose keys. And this is at the moment we're just discussing before.
I'm like, I don't know what's going on here, but I'm just gonna
yeah, I don't know what's happening. I'm sure it makes sense. Yeah,
Like you know, the just the gist is that everyone has to have
the certain stead of keys because that person's got their keys. That's basically it.
Yeah, the confusion is the point, I don't think. But also,
you know, just to maintain a bit of equal librium within a group.
Someone's yeah, no, one can be unfairly advantaged here. Everyone's got
to have at least one thing. And George picks up the Manila folder.
It's like, well, that's going to be something because they wouldn't point that
out. I would haven't pick up something it was not going to play into
later in the episode. So he picks it up. She's like, take
that, leads it alone. That's mine. It's kind of rude, like
just going through someone's house and picking up their ship like that. I would
never think to do that. Oh god. Yeah, Like if someone's got
like a fold on the table, picking up and opening it up, it
could be a fucking could be porn, it could be anything. Don't touch
their ship. Even if your friends don't go through the style, even if
you're a friend, you should never I'm always even one. I could be
at my best friend's house and I'll still ask if I can go into their
fridge. I know the answer is going to be yes, but I still
ask anyway. Oh of course, yeah. Even the friends don't have the
longest time me man, I'm just gonna grab a drink right, Yeah,
I'll be like yeah, oh yeah, good. You know it's okay,
but you're just you're just gonna make sure if you weren't raised in a barn,
you ask, yes, Jerry, he wants to Cramer's keys from George,
but he's not there. This is where we get the Newman moment you're
discussing earlier. Oh by the way, sorry, just just to rewind just
a little bit. Uh, Julia Louis drivers about just all this, all
this confusing. She just sort of muttered, I've got to get some new
friends. Yes, yeah, is very funny. Yeah she all she does
really hits more at least girlfriends. Anyway, Cramer, hello boys, oh
man, are you looking for someone? Don't play coy with me now when
I'm not in the mood. COI, I'm not being coy? Is she
being Ki? Yeah? COI you're being Ki? Who listen tiny? I
want to know where Kramer is and I want to know now I got and
hit me sign felt like I witnesses sent around George George. I'm even Cramers.
We're gonna have to do this the hard way. Where's Gramer got to
pick me up? We're trying to find out what happened to Kreamer. You
want to know what happened to Kreamer, I'll tell you what happened to Kreamer.
He was ticked off about the keys. Yeah, that's right, about
the keys. So he got a bad rap, bad rap, Yeah from
you me, you heard me. So he packed the gripping. He split
for the coast La La land Lay this moment, like what Wayne Knight's dialogue
isn't punchlines. It's not really like, it's not witty or it's not necessarily
funny jokes. It's just the way he delivers the lines that the newly character
is based off delivery it more than actual having actual jokes in the dialogue.
I think they recognize what a secret weapon or even just a weapon they have
in Wayne Knight, who the expressions that he pulls and the inflection that he
puts on a certain dialogue. Yeah, he's able to just spin it.
It's like, well, you're just fun to watch, aren't you? Or
you're so surmamie that it's entertaining. So yeah, yeah, I mean they
got lucky when they got Wayne Night in. It's always nice too, when,
like Judge, one of those guys where he's not a big dude,
but he knows he can beat up num as he picks on him, and
even George joins in, like I've got witnesses. George churned around and then
grabs the lane. They're gonna be up, They're gonna be be up.
But yeah, so he explains that he's gone to La La La land and
Cramer's on his way listening to music. What was he listening to? Some
sort of heavy metal? It sounded like, I don't know, I don't
know if this was an actual shout out or visual reference or whatever. If
it is, it's really obscure. Yeah, there's a bit in Signs of
the Lambs when you see Buffalo Bill's first victim and the girl who winds up
in the in the pit and she's, you know, driving the car and
they got the camera right and the right on her and she's singing along to
American Girl by Tom Petty. And for some reason I thought, this looks
like it's shot exactly like that, and it's the music is not exactly the
same, but it's sort of similar. Yeah, And that was only a
year prior, and it was a big, big movie. I'm like are
they sort of paying tribute here or is it just a big stretch on Guy's
part. It's a big stretch on Guy's part. I think it could be
because they paid tribute to um to the Manson Gang later in the episode.
That's true. We'll get to that when we get to that, absolutely,
because I wouldn't mind having a quick chat about that. But yeah, I
mean, I wasn't sure what he was listening to. I don't think there
was any like a particularly memorable song, just you know, always odd just
oh, it was pretty odd scene. Michael Richard is sort of gnawing on
stuff and when he oh, it's a bit gross. I don't want to
be looking at this for too long, And we basically get a throughout the
episode, Cramer story essentially becomes Peewee's big adventure looking up with all manner of
new new mates. Yes, I've come up from commercial, and Jerry's blaming
himself the fact that that he's left. I can't believe I shouldn't have taken
the keys off him and a Lane, So throughout the episode we get them
dropping in swear words, so she says complete bullshit. She actually says the
full bullshit. Oh, she's sort of like bullshit, sort of mumbles it
out, but you know what she's saying, the trails offered around h I
think, yeah, yeah, I never should have taken his keys away.
He drove me to it. I had no choice. He wouldn't take him
back, Elaine, you saw it, Remember I said, take the keys
back. He wouldn't do anything. You saw it, didn't you see it?
Yeah? Yeah, I thought, I mean complete. No, what'd
you say? Nothing? I didn't say, Oh you didn't see it?
Yeah? I saw it. I saw it. I saw I saw it.
Yea. I heard you say something there. I didn't say anything.
I'm calling Kramer's mother. I don't know what you said something. I heard
something. You know. And we've all had that moment where you know,
like, for example, Nicola mumble something. It's usually me saying something.
Nicolas say what'd you say? And I'll go what? And that's my that's
my way of giving myself an extra three to five seconds of thinking of something
that rhymes of what I just said that sounds believable enough that she might buy
it. And yeah, I've done that once or two. I mean,
and usually not even swearing. It's only just like a really dumb gag that
I'll say to myself, okay, and and if I get called out and
I'm like, yeah, nothing because you don't want to really repeat it because
it's like why did I even say that? Yeah, But usually it's me
being smart about Nikola, like Nikola, yeah she's done something, and I
know that I'm right, and I'm like, yeah, gona be what you
saying. But they call Kramer's mom's listening to opera. I do have the
notes somewhere in my notes here. What she was listening to. Music Kramer's
mother was listening to in the background is Vestia Giba Giba put on the clown
suit from Paliachi. This blew my mind. Not long ago, there's a
there's an old joke about you know, Oh, it's from Watchman. Do
you know you know the the comic book in the movie, in the TV
series Watchman, everyone wanted to go to It's fucking raw shacked everything after Yeah,
well this is this involves raw Shark. And he's sort of saying,
oh, there's this old joke. A man goes to a psychestrian says,
oh, I'm so depressed. Life has no meaning. The psychiatrist says,
well, the great clown Paliachi is in town. Go see him. He'll
cheer you right up. And the patient burst into tears and says, but
doctor, I am Paliachi. I don't know any any sort of edge lord
now sort of does these days. But I'm always a psycher for a good
Paliachi joke. Except Paliachi is actually plural for clown. It's clown's er.
Yeah, anyway, that's a that's a fun but useless fact that you can
then drop into any dinner table conversation. Tell him Guy sent you. They're
like, why are you listening to that podcast? Just listen to tune out
when guys on. So she's drunk out of her mind calling Kramer. She
drunk of her mind, so to get no help there, Kramer tries to
hitchhike there. Jerry then gets home. He writes home without the keys.
He needs his keys. He's like a fuck, now I don't have my
keys. Now I need Kramer to be over the hole with my keys.
So he calls the lane, gets no answer. I got yeah, this
is so nice. He's having no mobile phone, having to find a phone
booth. Yeah, yeah, I had to break a date with this girl
one night back and probably around this time, around nineteen ninety two. Yeah,
uh, And I had to find a phone. I was a bit
late anyway, got her answering machine and she didn't get the message till the
next day. Nothing more came of that, but at least you had the
backup, like the proof that you called before the date happened. That is
true, That is true. Yeah. Yeah, It's just weird, like
we're in an ear now where we're lucky takes that we can cancel things and
get away with it, where canceling things will would have been a lot harder
back before. Resolutely Yeah yeah, like Kramers now in the back of the
bike and you get the whole. Just to me, I thought it was
just Larry Day. It just seems like a Larry David bit where you can't
see the guy's face. It just as she was just Larry David, just
sort of like running on for a spill, you know. I couldn't fill
my face and I lost lost the nine and I had to put it back
in the soccer and just felt it felt like a Larry David bit. I
thought it did, And it was so weird that this is a guy who's
no not a star or even that well known. But you know, if
if they'd shown his face, then I imagine at least fifty percent of the
orders and will go, oh that guy. That's probably why they didn't.
Maybe maybe because because they don't they didn't want They wanted to be some sort
of random bike he They don't wanted to be an act of the people knew.
Maybe I don't know, then why hire that actor? That's a good
point as well. Yeah it's odd. I don't know. Maybe your friends
with Jerry and you wanted to be on the show. He knows. Yeah,
Cramer spooked out by this as you will be on the back of a
bike with no helmet on in this story. Feels bad now, But letting
a Lane, letting him to a Lance apartment and they have a fight,
you want to fight, it just escalates. I gottakay you. I've been
thinking about it. I just don't feel right about letting you into a LANs
apartment. Don't feel right? What are you talking about? You know I
shouldn't have let you the Cramers. Now you want to go into a Lance
She entrusted me with the spare keys. I can't just let you in.
What is the big deal? Just because you have someone spare keys doesn't entitle
you to break into their apartment. That's the reason you took away Cramer's keys.
First of all, you aren't even supposed to have a Lane's keys.
You're supposed to give them back to her so she can give them back to
me because she has mine, so technically those are my keys. Yes,
Well, if you would never taken your keys back fro Kramer, he never
would have taken his back from you and given them to me, and which
cause I would have had to take mine back alone. Well, I want
those keys, George, give them to me. I want to He's a
kidd, Stop it, George, given to me. No, I'm not
giving. They don't want to get physical. You want to fight? Do
you want to fight? I'll fight you face. I've never had a fight
fight with any of my friends ever in my life. I'm assuming if we
did get over it straight away, but I've never come to fists with a
friend, even when alcohol was involved. I remember again, probably around this
time, around the nineties, you know, in my in my early twenties,
and you know, going out and drinking a bit I was at a
party one night and probably my best friend, or at least certainly one of
my best friends, was really drunk and I think thought that I was making
eyes at his girlfriend and just you know, absolutely went me. And I'm
like, dude, what the fuck? But you're worst of all, you
know, first of all was me, you know. Secondly it's like,
you know, I wouldn't put a move on your girlfriend. The land,
What is going on? What is happening the priorities of like late teens.
Yeah, I mean, nothing came, but it didn't take a swing.
But he did sort of grab you know, grabbed lapels, and I'm like,
oh, you really want to go don't you. No, we're not
doing this her seriously, No fancier, but Cram is now in the back
of the van. The evil ogre took back the magical keys from the handsome
young Prince. Oh no, he didn't take back the keys, no way.
Yes, and then the handsome young Prince was cast out into the cruel,
cruel world. Oh man, what a bummer. That ogre dude is
pretty cold. Huh. It's called got to taste something, Cramer. If
that ogre dude pulled that crap on me. I'd damn, my god,
my god, that's what I do. Yeah, yeah, that'd be funny.
Hey, now you can drop me here. Hey, what's the rushman?
Well, you know I gotta be going claimer. Have you ever killed
a man? What do you think, Junior? Do you think these hands
they've been soaking an ivory liquid eyes? Well, don't leave, Cramers,
stay with us. Oh you know so much about the world. He needs
you, please, Clamer, really, Clamer now starting we're actually about to
do. In an upcoming episode of Going Down to South Park, it's about
Charlie Manson breaking out of prison and a Christmas special basically Charlie Manson. And
even they pointed at the end of the episode, they're like, this is
pretty funked up that were sort of celebrating this guy. They're not celebrating him
here in this episode, but even like giving his story any form of attention
just seems wrong to me in a comedy as all things. I know,
yeah, I wasn't. I wasn't bothered by it, but you think about
it, it's like, there's people out there that were murdered by these people
should be Really, I didn't really view it as a Manson family kind of
thing. I just thought it was a Van Filippies. It was meant to
be. Apparently they even looked like who they were. Okay then, oh
I guess. I mean I just knew it was some real wild overacting by
that main hippie. Oh yeah, but you get that in sign felt sometimes
we pointed it out, like, I know, you really liked this,
and remember the scene where the it was the cashmier coat and she's like when
I was a little girl, I just wanted cash, and I was like,
it just felt so over the top. But that's kind of what this
is here. Oh absolutely, Yeah, Yeah, you're right. I mean,
look, it's memorable whether or not it actually works. I'm not undersensual,
Yeah, I just yeah. It sort of came away from that bit
going not so much about okay, well that was the substance of that scene,
was like, okay, well that guy just realized they had a few
moments on screen and just went for it. Yeah that added nothing. Really,
those both of the moments with the motor bucket, they didn't really add
much. They seriously let them out. It wouldn't have mattered to me.
It was not killer mostly fellow. Yeah, I mean, I think you've
got to have those little bits to sort of break up. Yeah, he's
on this epic journey across the country. Yeah, none of them really,
I mean, none of them really added up. They will. I didn't
mind them, but no, I think the real meat of the episode is
Yeah, there's sort of the key stuff. Yeah, you're right. So
they arrive Adelaide and Jerry explains the explains the story, maybe because it's the
crock of ship. So George doing the art, the mumble of the swear
words. I heard something. Now Cramer is in a truck. Watched this
and I was like, is this going to be what's the chick from Peewees?
What's her name? Large Marge? This is gonna be a large Marge.
And it turns out it wasn't, which is a shame. But yeah,
basically she lets him drive. I was just like, flexible, damn
good goaling. Yeah, but it's very irresponsible truck. Eh, yes,
yeah. Just I cannot double clutch. I can't even single clutch. No,
I just can't clutch clutch. My clutch moments, I'm no good,
no good at clutch moments. New, I'm not good in the clutch.
Um so now I found the truck driver kind of sexy. Am I am?
I weird fanta sexy as Cramer says something about a woman behind the wheel
of a semi trailer or whatever, but um without at a lanes and they
find her. Murphy Brown spec script. I watched this and I thought,
I feel like this is something that guy's really gonna relate to, because I
feel like you would be person that would have written a spec script at least
once in your life, or had the idea for some spec scripts in your
mind, like we do it. We do it occasion with the Simpsons podcast.
You know, some Simpsons ideas for episodes. But I feel like you
would have sat down at least once and written some form of a script for
something that you that you enjoy. Not so much speccript for a show,
but look more like a remake of a movie that I really liked and thought
or that didn't quite work, like here's hell, I would do it.
Give us an example, which movie actually The Running Man? You know the
Anamal Schwartz anyone, Yeah, which is based on um on a novel by
Stephen King, but he wrote it under a pen name, and yeah,
I read it ages ago when I was a teacher, I, Oh,
my god, this is so great. There's a really fantastic book. And
then a couple of years later, oh, they make it, and I
watched a this isn't like your Running Men book today bear a different worst adaptation
ever, this is I just don't think it's a very good movie. And
the fact that it's sort of messed with a book that I really liked.
Time to get back to the tape reader and your marriage really didn't. He
typed it out and you mailed it to his fan club. So Stephen King,
mister King, mister King, I've already sent this to Stephen King.
Now I'm sending the mister Schwarzenegger lea, you guys can collaborate in a more
constructive fash. Apparently now I'm going to do a new remake of The Running
Man Edgar Wright they did. Why wouldn't they be rebooting a movie they've already
made. Why wouldn't they be Why wouldn't you do that? Don't come up
with anything new, just come up with something that seems new. But Disney
Disney just like, let's not make new stories. Let's just turn cartoons into
real life. That don't make money, and it did. It's incredibly sad.
I haven't. I only saw a bit of the trail of the Little
Mermaid. It's not really my bag whether it's in cartoon form or real life
one. But I mean they had I was seeing, you know, screen
caps of one next to the others, like the animated one, bright,
beautiful, colorful, this one drabbers. Fuck. Yeah, well that's just
fun. That's just movies. Now. Everything he's drabbers. Like even like
superhero movies, they're drab and dark. I guess what, I guess maybe
Marvel movies they're more bright. But even like the latest ones, it's like,
oh, you're going down to DC Route a bit, now, Marvel,
what are you doing? Yeah, I mean, even if you do
have a lot of sort of multi colored neon and stuff, yeah, it
still feels a bit dim. It's like you've got colors, but the dim
version of colors. It's odd. Yeah, weird. What is weird though,
is that you know, I was raised on the golden ear of Disney
animate I reckon like Disney late eighties, early nineties is sort of like one
of the golden ears of Disney animation, right, that's what one percent was,
Yeah, a little Mermaid through to what have been what had been the
end of maybe Lyon King? Was it the last one? Like yeah,
oh maybe Hercules. Some people like Hercules. You see Hercules? That was
maybe I was? Was I too? While they came out and what ninety
eight wasn't it ninety eight Hercules? I think so? But they had sort
of like a string of like I know a lot of people like Perkohondas,
I sort of missed a pokerhuntas thing. But like you had Hercules, you
had um not hunch Lion King set such a high bar that everything after that,
which isn't bad. I mean, I think you've got like Hunchback,
Pokahonas, Hercules, and Tarzan Milan as well. Oh and Milan. I
think Milan is probably the most well regarded out of that bunch. But Lion
King was such such a big deal. Yeah, that after that was going
like it's good, let's not Lion King. By the way, if you
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getting back to the episode, so they find them, they find the spec
script and this is where Elaine walks in. If you watch here, it
looks like Jerry's almost breaking character in real life because it's just one of those
classic sitcom moments where you're doing something naughty and the person you're doing something naughty
about comes into the episode. It comes in the into the scene and that
are standing behind, Like I love those moments where they're still going on and
on thinking that they're not getting caught and the person's just sort of standing there.
That's just get those moments very often and sign felt where it just felt
very classic sitcom. You're right, it was good. It was good.
They've got such great chemistry, all these people. Yet and they're all such
you know, individually telling people that are naturally are going to have moments where
someone's taken by surprise and breaks. Yea, even if only not even breaks,
just cracks. Yeah, yeah, it's just cracks, smirking. Yeah,
it's always good to leave those moments in. But even she's angry what
you thought it was funny? But they all agree that's trying to give all
the keys back to Pad. Enough, they're so angry at each other and
they realize, wait, who's this key? Like, it's just it's just
gotten so out of hand and I don't know whose keys what anymore. I
mean, it's a nice payoff because this thing has all been so convoluted.
It's like, oh, well, they're just confused his way as we are.
Yeah. Yeah, we're now cut into Cramer in California on roller skates,
listening to which song is the Davis? He's listening to California Girls and
naturally a nice visual touch here as well, And it's not even a gag.
It's I don't know. It might even just be natural. He's got
a big scab on his knee. I don't know if he's so I've got
that as well. I'm feeling like he's done a couple of takes and he's
fallen over scun his knee, and they've gone back and done it again.
Yeah. Yeah, but I mean it ties in because Crane is such,
you know, he's so loosey goosey and his physical stuff. He's unsteady on
his feet even when he hasn't got wheels on him. Yeah, So if
he's got wheels on him, yeah, he's probably gonna take a dumble or
two. You wouldn't be surprised if Michael Richards deliberately fell over and scraped his
knee for the sake of just having that detail in there, even though you
wouldn't even really, even though they don't acknowledge it, just to have that
detail there, just like you said, fits the Cramer character. It does.
Joey and Elena out in Joe's apartment watching Murphy Brown and talking about how
those writers make a lot of money. Let me tell you a bit about
show business, honey, and she's, oh god, what an ass?
What do you say? And then we see Kramer on Murphy Brown as Steven
Snow, the joke here being that he wasn't fired as her secretary. Correct.
So I've read that the running gag was always that she had a new
secretary every episode they got fired or something. That's what I'm thinking. It
was a running gag that, yes, she always had a new temp.
Elene Eline, it's Cramer. Creamer's a Murphy Brown. Cramer's Murphy Brown.
Hi, I'm Murphy Brown. You must be my new secretary. Good morning,
now, miss Brown. I'm Stephen Snell Snell. Well, hello,
mister Snell stupid. Are you familiar with this computer system? Oh? I'm
familiar Stephen Snell. I know people, and I have a very good feeling
about you. And we end with the end of the stand up about the
keys to start up a plane, which I thought was quite funny, like
shit, the keys, you can believe it, you know? And absolutely
Again that is the end of season three and what I deemed the first mini
era of siinfowld. I feel like going forward now we're hitting peak sciinfowder.
Season four is where the show really takes off in a real creative sense.
So I'm very excited to sink my teeth into season four of Sciinfold. Yes,
what do you think of season three overall? Guy, Like, did
you enjoy? I think there was like there was more good then there's a
couple episodes where it kind of went but overall, I thought this was a
very still early sign felt but they're still they've really fleshed out these characters now.
He can tell that by this point they know the show's going to be
a big success. Yeah, I think we generally regard this show as so
consistently good or having such a consistent level of quality that you know, the
occasional hiccup is maybe a little more noticeable. Yeah, you know, but
nah, look, I mean it's it's it's a show that certainly knew what
it was about and how it was about it, you know, from an
early stage, but got more certainly got more confident as it went along to
the point where it was able, as he pointed out, when we get
into season four that it's trying new things and maybe branching out a little bit
or you know, stretching different muscles. But yeah, season three one was
very yeah, just just confident and just that's It's something that you that I
certainly appreciate from any you know, work of art or entertainment. Just the
feeling that you're in good hands and the people behind the wheel know what they're
doing, and they're even confident enough to make what they know what they view
as an error. But try something a little bit different. Yeah, you
know, it's so easy, particularly for sitcom, to just go, you
like this, do well, here's another server vanilla ice cream. Occasionally these
guys will throw a little bit of rocky road. With this show being such
a big success by the end of season three, right, everyone's talking about
Scienfeld. It's a big deal. It took some guts from Larry and Jerry's
point of view to start adding the arc of the show within the show,
to completely somewhat change the format like it was still it was still the same
format, but to add a story that was like an ongoing saga that's changing
the show quite a lot. And to do that on the show that's already
a formula's already a success. Takes guns. But that's what they wanted to
do and it paid off for him. Well, you know, things don't
move forward unless, you you know, make a few changes. There's only
so long that you can just, you know, keep swallowing the same stuff.
There's only so many times again, have ice cream for didn't? Yes?
All right, guys, hope you enjoyed our review the Keys, and
hope you enjoyed talking Soil up until this point. We'll be seeking our teeth
into season four in the coming weeks. Look out for that. But this
has been a review of The Keys. We're looking forward to getting into The
Trip part one and part two a very entertaining episode of Seinfeld. But for
now, mister Davis, any final words for those incredible listeners out there.
I heard something. I'm not sure I had, but I heard something