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Hey everybody, it's Brendan from Whittis
and you're listening to four Finger Discount.

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Four Finger Discount. Dude, Hey
guys, Dana here for a very special

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edition of four Finger Discount this week. I was very lucky to be joined

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in the studio by the frontmen of
wheatas he is mister Brendan B. Brown.

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Brendan spelled correctly by the way bre
and d A n the way Brendan

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should be spelled. He's currently in
Australia tour in the country on a solo

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acoustic tour with art from Everclear.
Tickets for the remaining shows are available in

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the description of this podcast, so
if you check out the dates and you

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can get to one of the shows, make sure you do so. But

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the guys that were playing in Geelong
a couple of days ago, where we're

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based obviously, and Brendan's stopped by
the studio to chat about the classic episode

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New Kid on the Block, you
know, the one Laura Powers look could

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have been me Homer withes all you
can eat Escapades and the one that was

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written by Colonel and O'Brien and we
figured Nikid on the Block. We chose

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this one because it has the time
of the whole Teenage Dirtbag s story.

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Now, look, this chat it
goes for well over ninety minutes, and

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we do cover the main stories and
themes and plots of the episode. But

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honestly, this just turned into one
of the most enjoyable conversations that I think

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I've ever had on this podcast.
Honestly, I am not kidding. You

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know. It's fun, it's informative. From a music side of things,

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it's nostalgic when we do a little
bit of a dive into the whole Teenage

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Dirtbag video and the song and how
it all came about. But it actually

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gets pretty personal at times too,
And you know exactly what I mean.

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When we get to those moments,
you'll think, Jesus, I really think

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you're gonna love this conversation. Like
I said, it's one of the most

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enjoyable conversations, one of the most
enjoyable pieces of work I've ever put together.

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I absolutely love this funny story.
Once the chat was done, I

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was driving home with Brendan to his
hotel, and just on the way home,

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we decided to go for an impromptuy
lunch date. I figured why not

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Brendan from Witness has invited me out
for lunch to take this opportunity, and

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we went down to the Geelong waterfront. We went to a place called Bayview

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shout out to Bayview and he had
the grill barrow Monday and I had the

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Yep, you guessed it, I'm
dando, you know me, guess what

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I got the chicken burger and Brenda
then shatted me to an ice cream afterwards

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and just walked around Geelong for a
little while. We paid a visit to

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the Pop Cultural Record Store and just
yeah, honestly, just an overall great

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afternoon, so much fun and absolute
delight. I should also remind you guys

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too that Waitas They will be returning
to Australia in April for a full band

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show at the Pandemonium Festival. Pre
start tickets go on sale for that on

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January twenty second. I'll chucklink for
that in description of this pot as well

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if you want to get tickets for
it, and you're gonna want to because

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not only doesn't have a waitess,
but the headliners are people like Blondie,

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Alice Cooper, Placebo. You're gonna
want to go to this one as well,

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also, speaking of things that you're
going to enjoy, my man Guy

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Davis, he shall be returning to
the hot seat once again next week by

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my side here in the studio as
we get back to our usual schedule of

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season eighteen reviews, where we're going
to be doing a review of the episode

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the Boys of bumm Us. Look
at for that in your feeds next week.

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time to sit back and enjoy my
conversation with the legendary Brendan B. Brown

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of Whites as we review a new
kid on the block. Enjoy now,

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I'm not gonna lie. You're the
first. I've been doing podcasting for nearly

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twenty years now. And you are
the first Brendan that I've ever actually had

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on any of my shows. Did
you ever find that it's hard to find

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another Brendan? It is and spelt
the right way too. Yeah, it's

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always Brendon. I never forget my
school photos, my football photo as well

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as a kid, always brend On
Brendon. I mean, how many times

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you tell them? Yeah, I've
kind of over it. I'm not correct

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people anymore. I'm sure you know
brand still do it annoys me? Yeah?

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Yeah, yeah yeah. And it's
you know, it's a proper Gaelic

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name. Yeah, and there are
so many wrong versions of it that brand

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get Brandon a lot. They can't
get the A n. That's the hardest

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one for them. It's always Brandon. I've had Brandan, Yeah, I've

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had you know, I've haven't even
had watched people spell it with an eye

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and I'm like, oh, man, is that what you just do?

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Triple Ban now? Just so you
discover that, Yeah, I guess.

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But has Australia been this time of
record? Has been what twelve years since

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you've been here? Yeah, it's
been beautiful, weather, it's been amazing.

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Perth was incredible, But that's always
good weather. Yeah, really nice.

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I swam in the Indian Ocean for
the first time, you know,

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it's great. Yeah. Give any
favorite spots that you always go to.

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You came here first time? What
two thousand and one. I quite like

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a place near Sydney called Manly Veil. I've heard you mention that a few

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times. Yeah, and there's a
beach up there, Shelley Beach that that

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I've it whenever I'm here. Didn't
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but but yeah, whenever we come
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few days with my friend Dave Froggett
there. And he's a guy I met

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the first time we came through.
He was really nice to us, and

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we we're both guitarists, so we
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play guitar all day. You know, it's perfect. But I try to

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get the jet lag out on like
a three day you know window. It's

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the best way to get jet lag
for you sleep whenever your body tells you

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to. All that nonsense about oh
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time and all no, doesn't work. Just take what you can get when

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you can get it. We've made
a mistake. We took the kids to

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Inglam and wash from England, so
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and jet lag not good. No, it's it's worse on the way back,

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always is. Why is I think
probably because losing a night on a

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plane is much easier than losing a
day on a plane. That's that's what

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it is, I think. But
detime your plane flats accordingly, try to

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but it's not always financially possible.
You got to go for like what you

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can afford, you know. Yeah, but I think that I think that

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if you just I've always done this. Just if your body's telling you to

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sleep, just do it. And
don't eat. That's another thing on the

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plane or once you get off.
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but like I'm always stick off the
plane food. Well, yeah it's not

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great. But once you're off right
and you're you're starting to feel it,

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just go to bed, even if
you're very hungry, Just go to bed

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right, sleep off that first whatever
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you can get, eat something and
then go back to bed again. Don't

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try to do anything. If you
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you're you're doomed man on a honeymoon
to America. We land in La.

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My wife, she's just a guy. Get she goes, right, let's

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go do all these things today because
we land in the morning. Oh sweet,

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I love you, but unfortunately I
love the enthusiasm. But that's sadly

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the way to ruin the rest of
your job. I shouldn't in the honeymoon.

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Look well, it depends on how
it depends on how my morning.

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Yeah right, yeah, sorry,
I didn't mean that, and I ruined.

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I ruined her honeymoon by taking her
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like, oh, this is great, yeah right right, this is your

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stuff. Yeah yeah, but I'm
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You know, she's my age thirty
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of the Simpsons. It's not wild
interesting. So I was in college when

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the Simpsons really kicked into full gear. Really prior to that, I had

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seen Tracy Ullman show and caught a
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remember thinking, oh, this is
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think that's kind of that. And
uh, doctor Katz, you remember doctor

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Katz. I know the name.
I don't record. This is sort of

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like earlier like adult animation stuff,
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doing. Yeah, that's now the
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thing? Yeah? So I I
love the Simpsons. Matthew, our bass

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player is there is our resident Simpsons
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tell that from the emails. Yeah, yeah, you know we have this

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thing. What are you going to
do when you get back from tour?

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I don't know, probably sitting in
my underwear and watch the Simpsons like that's

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that's his that's the thing to do
for him to recuperate from tour. You

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know, see what mid thirties,
late twenties, late thirties, late thirty

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that same age. Yeah yeah,
yeah, but that's just what happened.

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Was we just grew up in the
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True. What was your version of
the Simpsons then? Going on,

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interesting question, I probably inspector gadget. Okay, I still replayed when I

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was growing up. Yeah right,
but I was. I was drawn to

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dramas when I was a kid.
I much preferred drama or good times.

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It was my favorite. Like when
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Good Times. Yep. I was
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budy bunch, so I had to
watch the Body Bunch. Yeah. So

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yeah, it was like this was
me. I was a little bit more

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drawn to like, like more serious
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Simpsons is actually pretty serious TV.
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past couple of days when I've been
refreshing on this episode that we're going to

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talk about, but we've been touching
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sort of that teenage comparison it has. It has elements of that. First

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of all, the voice of the
new kid on the Block, the new

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girl that's uh doing what's her name
from? Uh? From Roseanne? Yes,

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that and that right there got me
because I remember Roseanne intensely and it

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was kind of like, oh,
that's so cool. And they did make

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that man that sort of like tomboy
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On the side I had to crush
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right, I've felt the hell out
of that right as soon as it happened,

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and I was like, whoa man? And I did remember the episode,

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but you know, not the details. You know, there's something about

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a girl that's going to go out
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not afraid of boys. It was
extremely like alluring, you know, it's

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like, oh, she's a what
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Yeah yeah, yeah, and it
does. They did a good job of

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illustrating how and this is the realest
thing I think in that episode is how

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that does throw the bullies for a
loop. Yeah. It's like, you

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know, all of a sudden,
all of their all theirslin geometry is screwed

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up. You know, they can't
they can't do their old boy friends.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, so
yeah, I enjoyed that. Yeah,

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Pamela Reid, have you heard that, Pamela Reid? Yes, I heard

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so she Have you seen Kindergarten Cop? Yes? So she is Annie's partner

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in kindergarten. Okay, she's the
voice of the mother in this that's that's

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that was familiar as well. Yeah, I felt like the mother's character was

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a little underdeveloped. Yeah, well, she gets her chance in an upcoming

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episode later on margin the Lamb where
she's she's a badass as well. I

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wanted to know much more about the
mom. The mom uh what felt super

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strong and you said what Laura gets
from Yeah, yeah, but but also

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like I was like, Oh,
they're just going to put her in Mo's

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and just leave the character there.
And I was like, hope, that's

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not it. And now you got
me wanting to watch another one. Yeah,

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Madgin the Lamps. It's a Thumber
and Little Waiste take off essentially okay,

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and she takes Madge on the lamb. It's a very very good episode.

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It's fantastic. But what are your
memories of The Simpsons? So you

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in college? You said, so, you have really been in the target

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demo by the time the show was
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to do with like, when you're
in college, you don't watch much TV,

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right, And then when I got
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watching much TV. And the reason
was that I didn't have a TV.

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Like I was living in a you
know, a converted living room apartment,

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and The Simpsons was just something that
seemed like out of my reach. Then

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we did have a TV for a
while there, and I was sort of

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like becoming a songwriter in full and
watching a lot of much music and MTV

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and whatever else. So I actually
I'm a little too old to have hit

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that perfect stride of like like Matthew
was in I think probably early high school

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and then all through high school,
Simpsons was a serious iconic thing for him

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to come home and watch. That
said, I caught up on it a

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lot in the early two thousands and
really enjoy it still. It's one of

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those things in the school yard is
like, have you seen the new Simpsons?

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It was just it was the thing
very much like that. And then

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we evolved to south Park because south
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right, and then Family Guy came
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middle grand between south Park craziness and
Simpsons more granted him, But I've never

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been a huge Family Guy fan.
I have absolutely no knowledge of Family Guy.

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I have a friend back home He's
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the time, and I'm just like, dude, I like, there's no

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space on the table for this right
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took me into a newer, like
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we got a south Park podcast here
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earlier south Back episodes. I forgot
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you watch the south Park? Oh
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and a VCR, that became a
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were watching. Yeah so yeah.
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to kick into full gear. But
you have come to appreciate it just as

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much as any of the Rick and
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South Park or Mordi fan. Yeah
what, I haven't seen any of the

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newer episodes. Then I haven't caught
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Yeah. Do you want to binge
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I do. I prefer to watch
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viewing Habits of Change, isn't it? Yeah? Very much so. In

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fact, I don't want to watch
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Really. Yeah, So you will
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it, Yeah, because the character
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to be minded of what happened.
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aspect of spending the week dwelling and
thinking about, Oh, I wonder where

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they're going to go next with it. That's interesting. So you're into like

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edging, Well, see, I
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to talk about. So it's like
if you just blow your loan in the

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first we went there fast, didn't
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what you're saying. So I was
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not technically from the generation of TV
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Benjing one hundred percent? Did Yeah? You did? I did? Break

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I didn't. No, I didn't
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The internet became more probably like two
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or five when what about TVO and
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ability to record TV shows when I
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missed what was on TV, you
miss it? Right, Okay, so

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you know the feeling feeling, So
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okay, there's I'll go back to
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Good Times, Right, Good Times
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home and watched. I was heavily
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headed, in what was going on, and it was full of like interesting

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conflict and stress and I just was
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I the episode where the father dies
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had I missed that, it would
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for me because I wouldn't understand,
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So I have that fear of like
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get invested right in these characters and
then like miss their most important life moment.

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Now that's like I'm creative person,
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It's too real, you know,
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I can't understand why people would be
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show. That's the beauty of a
good writing. Though, Yeah, that's

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it. That's why that's why you
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I watch, Yeah, you know. And I was the same way with

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the Sopranos, you know, like
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find out from somebody that's something developed, and I'm watching the whole season.

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Yeah, do you not missed the
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little bit too young, I was
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that way I ended everything, so
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I was watching it in like the
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anything spoiled. Yeah, I loved
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complexity of the Sopranos. But I'm
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was thirteen because I couldn't watch it
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Just mobsters, Yeah you know,
yeah right? So but uh yeah,

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I think so we have different we
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much more of avenger than you.
I think, like I will take the

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whole thing all at once. So
I binge now and I hate myself for

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it. It's really Yeah, you
have self. What do you like with

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intros? Now? Do you skip
the intro even shows that you love in

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Simpsons? No, for me,
my wife, she's obsessed with Friends skipped

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at it, No, you do
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Right, She's just more wife than
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Friends fan, but now she's fans. She skips the intro because she's like,

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I can't be bother. I've already
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for me, though, a good
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It puts you in that frame of
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when you watchings and how you using
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working, I'll put on the Big
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of Jesse James by the coward Robert
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TV while I'm working in the other
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of like flow of like, Okay, I know how this narrative is.

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not things that will take me away
from this work. They're this, they're

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this other thing that already right right
right, So maybe she's using it for

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background noise and doesn't need the intro. Yeah, that's true. Yeah,

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it's when we do it for the
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we're reviewing the episodes, it's almost
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to just watch it not critique it, and shows like Friends, you watch

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it and you're like, there's a
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Yeah, I'd rather just watch it
the way I used to. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah, I have over
critique things that you watch always, but

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I never I never had a show
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ride. Yeah, I never had
that. What's been your favorite ride show

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wiseen? For me? I think
it was Breaking Bad. Oh, that

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was really good. That's a really
good one. But that just sort of

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just it peaked at the right time
and then it was out. Breaking Bear

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was really good. The one I
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be the Sopranos. Okay, yeah, that's the one who I have a

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friend who and we we still go
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ending. Yes, yeah, atual
thoughts, I think Tony died on the

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operating table and it's a sort of
a Jacob's ladder you're taking thatach, Yeah,

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yeah, kind of, it's a
Jacob's Ladder, uh occurrence at Owl

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Creek Ridge kind of bite, you
know, you know what I'm talking about.

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Where so dealing with compressed time,
lots of things are artificialized, right,

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They're not. These are your dreams. Your brain is firing off,

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like the possibility of a life with
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d m T is firing and you're
having this sort of like leaving your leaving

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your life moment, and so time
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There are so many things about the
post shooting Tony episodes that are unreal weed

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very very sort of like completely unreal. I don't think Chase cared. David

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Chase cares to tell everybody how it
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And the way that I interpret it
is he never made it off that

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operating table. He died there,
and everything else is peculiar, like peculiar

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flashes of a life that didn't complete, that didn't happen. Do you have

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people take approach with your music,
Yeah, very much. So. I've

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said this before about Teenage Stirpeg,
you know, because there's a sort of

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origin story about the murder and whatnot, right, but but what the only

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thing that really counts is how people
see themselves in the narrative. That's the

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only thing that matters for a song, if you plug yourself in and you

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understand your life a little bit more
clearly because you kind of walk through the

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song with the characters. That's the
only thing that gives it new life.

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That's the only important thing. And
however, young people need to do that.

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I'm is none of my business,
like in that sense, it belongs

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to them and the author is dead
like what my intentions were anyway, So

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yeah, yeah, because I always
saw as just the good guy wants the

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girl who's with the bad guy,
and that's just that's the simple approach.

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Because I still have memories. It
came out when I was in grade six,

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which is our last year of what
you call elementary school. Yeah,

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and there's this girl, this big
crush on but she was dating the bad

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guy, and I was like,
teenage door back is just my life.

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It's just it. I felt it, right. There's a bit of that

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in the Simpsons episode she winds up
with the bad guy. But you know

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what, I think that they give
her. They give her control the whole

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time, oddly, which is a
really interesting choice, and I love that

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like that she's just like I just
want to date this bad boy for a

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little while. Maybe he's an idiot, and I'll get rid of him.

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Because if at Lisa li likesh or
she goes she gushes, Yeah, she

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gets it. She's like, oh
I know why you know? And Bart's

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baffled. Do you hate that ideology
of girls love the bad boys? It's

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always because always always thinking myself is
like the good guy. I was never

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the bad boy. Always just like
it annoyed me, like why do you

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like these guys? They look good
for you. It's a funny. It's

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a funny arc type. I I've
seen it in my own life, but

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much more dangerous like way yeah,
like like scary, like and you know,

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there's a line there where my mind
goes where it's like she really want

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to be with him? Or is
she afraid he's going to kill her?

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Yeah? If she breaks up?
Like is that that? That's where my

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mind goes with that because of where
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Okay, but in the Simpsons,
all of that sort of like washed and

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in the song in teenaged her,
what's kind of washed over by somehow she

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majestically has this power that she's in
control of her own life. In some

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sense, that's a little bit unfair
to what women's lives are actually like,

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Like we're giving them this control that
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And you know, I think I
think about that. I thought about

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that watching the episode. I was
like, well, I'm glad this is

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a cartoon and it's not going to
be like, you know, domestic abuse

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kind of situation, because I'm I'm
sorry to say, that's where my that's

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where my mind goes. Yeah,
you know, I mean I've experienced similar

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things like growing up. Yeah,
yeah, I do like the idea though

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that the Simpsons. I never saw
this as a kid, but it's nice

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that kids growing up in the nineties
had a character like Lisa, a female

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character who had sort of power over
her life, Smarter than her dad,

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smarter than head, and she was
sort of being held backed by a family.

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But still you knew she was going
to make something of herself. Yeah

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she was. Well, you thought
she's gonna be fine. Yeah, right,

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And that's a comforting thought because and
you know what, this episode hit

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on something that I don't always think
about with The Simpsons, and you are

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reminded from time to time, Homer's
an alcoholic, Like, he's fully and

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completely abusing alcohol, choosing alcohol over
the nurturing of his kids all the time.

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So just because it's funny doesn't mean
that the little Leasa Simpsons in the

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world are aren't seeing that in their
own homes and going, yeah, I'm

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definitely getting the fuck out of here, you know, as soon as I

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can. Dad way smarter than you, I'm getting a job when I'm sixteen,

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I'm getting a fuck out, you
know. And that's I hope that

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that works out for the for the
lease leases out there, you know,

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I assume it doesn't always, but
but yeah, it's the Simpsons is complex

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like that always has been. And
that's one of the reasons I revisited it

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and still keep it like as a
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why I was compelled to do this, but I purchased all of the Blockbuster

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Video Simpson's memorabilia. Really, yes, back in the oh geez, was

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it the late nineties when the Blockbuster
video started shutting down? Why what made

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you want to do that? Because
they were offering these they just looked great.

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things that the the n VHS sets
and I still have them money of my

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v I have the Simpsons Monopoly game
from the late nineties, and I was

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thinking, I don't know why I
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just it looked important Iconically, physically, the art of it was beautiful.

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Could just sense that times were changing, you thought, if I get it

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now, I did sense the times
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year. It might have been right
after we signed our record deal because at

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the time when was two thousand.
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ninety nine a deal memo, but
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and the end. At the time, I was working a day job that

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I kept even though we signed a
deal for another six months. I worked

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my day job while we were signed, and I was working at a VPN

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service place in Times Square right forty
six and seven. Yeah, because I

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lived in Manhattan at time, and
the guys who ran that place where IBM

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engineers, very very knowledgeable Oracle and
IBM engineers, And they said to me,

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when I found out I was a
musician, I was had a CD

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I'd brought them a CD and they
were like, you know this is software,

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right, you get your digital rights
all sorted out. They knew.

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They were like, this is going
to be free or you're going to have

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to like figure something out like vinyl
or something. They and they they clued

405
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:52.240
me into like no, no,
no, no no, no, you

406
00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:56.640
don't understand is that this can be
ripped onto here and they show they showed

407
00:25:56.640 --> 00:26:00.240
me the whole process. This is
like ninety seven ninety eight kind of time.

408
00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.160
This is before you could download song
with Willi Nilly. Yeah, this

409
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:07.039
was before you could really download anything
before because I was the other one because

410
00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:14.359
yeah, because yeah we're talking Netscape. Yeah right, So uh I knew

411
00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:19.519
some abstractly something was going to happen
where music was not going to be the

412
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:22.359
way that it was like, it
was going to be this. It was

413
00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:23.920
going to be a piece of software
digital. Yeah, it was already a

414
00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:26.839
piece of software. Every CD is
from nineteen eighty two or whatever when the

415
00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:33.599
first one came out, it is
all software copyable. And so uh when

416
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:38.079
I saw the Simpsons stuff, it
was probably right around that time where there

417
00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:41.319
was this sense of like, oh, you might not be able to get

418
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:45.880
this stuff anymore like thing on before, with a little bit of like of

419
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.480
like what did I miss out on
in the nineties on this show that there's

420
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:51.599
like the Blockbuster video was decorated with
it, and I was like, I

421
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:52.839
should buy this stuff. This is
cool, and you did get it and

422
00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:56.559
I did buy it all. I
bought every single thing I had. Yeah,

423
00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:59.119
I still have Wow. Yeah,
you should be pacing that online.

424
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:03.000
You have you pist No, No, it's just just hiding near my guitar.

425
00:27:03.319 --> 00:27:07.200
I know. I know the Simpsons
Monopoly game. I don't care what

426
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:08.680
it's worth for one reason or another. That's the one I really care about.

427
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:11.680
Yeah, I've got a copy of
it somewhere in the gun. Yeah.

428
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:15.920
And a Burns the Burns doll.
Okay, I felt those were cool.

429
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:18.799
So Blockbuster had dolls. Yeah,
they were selling Bible had dolls and

430
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:25.359
stuff in New York on Long Island. Yeah, shortly before Blockbuster went out

431
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:26.880
of business. This is before people
knew to keep that kind of shit,

432
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:30.920
right. Everyone now buys three copies
of it actually figured one to keep one

433
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:33.480
of display one or whatever totally.
But when I was growing up, it

434
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:36.039
was like Mum just gave him to
the we call them, the Salvation Army,

435
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:37.960
just the the shops that what do
you call them, strip store?

436
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:41.960
Right, Well, it's prior to
eBay. Yeah, so so before before

437
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:45.799
there was a virtual marketplace where people
could say, yes, my original ad

438
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:49.480
at Walker is perfect condition, and
it's the one with the weird little Cereal

439
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:52.640
number on it. And yet you
know, my world changed when I discovered

440
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:55.960
eBay in like ninety nine, two
thousand, mine too. Yeah. I

441
00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:00.000
started buying vintage BMX spikes that I
could never really yeah, yeah, yeah,

442
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.400
okay, yeah, I got really
into that, and I saved the

443
00:28:03.440 --> 00:28:06.759
band later on when we hit hard
times, I saw them. I liquidated

444
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:08.559
them on and had they had gone
up in price, so I was able

445
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:11.480
to fund the band for a little
bit longer. Yeah yeah, wow,

446
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:12.519
not all of them. I kept
a few, but I've got so much

447
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:17.359
stuff that I've told my wife I'm
going to sell one bag. It's just

448
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.559
the idea of taking the photo and
then the posting and I can't read Bob.

449
00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:26.200
Yeah, one day somebody will write
a book about what the fiscal forces

450
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:30.359
and memorabilia forces were gathering that gathering
storm at the end of the nineties.

451
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:34.680
If you recall, there had never
been such a thing as a box set,

452
00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:40.680
right, and then suddenly Blockbuster had, for a very short period of

453
00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:45.880
time, the unedited VHS box set
of Star Wars, the one before he

454
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.680
before he untouched. Now correct me
if I'm wrong, but I kind of

455
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:53.640
remember that there were original VHS's that
you could get your hands on that was

456
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:57.079
part of a set, and then
he edited them, and then it was

457
00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:02.680
DVD, So I don't think the
d d original see, yeah, he

458
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:06.400
ruined them, Yeah, he ruined
them. You know. The thing that

459
00:29:06.440 --> 00:29:08.079
bothered me the most about I know
that, I know that, I know

460
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.440
that Hans shot first, I know
I know all that, right, that's

461
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:15.000
it's it's all garbage what he put
in there. But the thing that bothered

462
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:19.400
me the most was the explosion of
the Death Star. Was so much cooler

463
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:26.440
before because it looked like a possible
space explosion would look. It looked like

464
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.319
a collapse, it looked like it
it looked like there was a no pressure

465
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.680
explosion right where where there's no where
the fire goes out quickly because there's no

466
00:29:33.759 --> 00:29:38.559
oxygen. That was cooler, way
cooler. I mean, we don't want

467
00:29:38.559 --> 00:29:41.279
to talk about the Han going over
Jebba's tail. And things like that.

468
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:47.000
That sucks. What is going on? Why did you do that? How

469
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.799
did anyone approve that? I think
he just George surround himself with yes.

470
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.000
Men have to have been the case, right, I think that. Look,

471
00:29:53.039 --> 00:29:57.279
there's Rush is my favorite band.
But there's a video that they made

472
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:00.720
that is arguably maybe the worst looking
video of all time, and therefore it

473
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:04.279
becomes goes over the line and becomes
the best don't want to gangsters, It's

474
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:07.839
it's close. I want to be
gangster is probably worse, but it's it's

475
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:11.319
for a kid at that time.
Look, man with the et in the

476
00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:15.960
corner really triggering me on this whole
thing, So back off, no,

477
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.680
no, I'll I'll get into that
in a second. But there's a video

478
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:19.880
for Time stand Still, one of
my favorite songs. We cover it live

479
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:25.279
right. The video for Time stand
Still is all of that sort of grabbed

480
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:30.920
animated moving around the screen, characters
like it's VHS early. It's terrible,

481
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:34.240
and Amy Man is in it,
which makes it even like more peculiar and

482
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:40.079
wonderful and strange. But but this
video is is is a is a people

483
00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.759
getting a bad new toy, okay, right, and then it's doing stuff

484
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:45.480
with it, and that's what Lucas
did with the Star Wars. He got

485
00:30:45.480 --> 00:30:48.319
a bad new toy. Yeah,
you know this is I wish we could

486
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.839
have done this back in the BLA. You know his parents are telling him

487
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.799
to stop it, right, yeah
right, STI I did it with at

488
00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.359
eight is my favorite movie. Love
at ruined ET Well two thousand and two,

489
00:30:57.359 --> 00:31:02.319
you re released it for the twentyth
anniversary and he got the deleted scenes,

490
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:04.400
much like the Star Wars ones.
And but he computer generated ET.

491
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:10.640
And when you've gone from a person
in a puppet that's physically there to c

492
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:12.680
GI, it's just not the same. And it looks shit. And he's

493
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.799
like ET when he's running at the
start, he makes him like he's galloping

494
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:19.640
and things. And the Spielberg has
acknowledged I made a mistake. And when

495
00:31:19.640 --> 00:31:22.640
they re released it on Blu ray
and four K, it's the original version.

496
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.559
Good yeap, good good job.
The self knowledge is difficult for those

497
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.680
guys who are in that rarefied air. I'm glad Spielberg has it. But

498
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.000
I've always wondered what the Simpsons these
earlier episodes because everyone always hates that the

499
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.240
first season because they look so clunky. They're clunky. What they would look

500
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.839
like if they reanimated them today,
I thought, don't do it, don't

501
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:42.000
do that. No, No,
that's the charm of it again. It's

502
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.200
like if the Sopranos first episode looked
better because they shot it on some other

503
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:49.519
format that wasn't that great looking.
No, I haven't bet to watch it.

504
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:52.319
What format? I've got the Blue
I've got the Blu ray box sect

505
00:31:52.359 --> 00:31:55.599
if I bought it recently, and
if I were to do it, if

506
00:31:55.599 --> 00:31:59.200
I should do it today, I
would just do it on on like a

507
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:02.640
streaming which will be HD. Yeah, so should you watch that? Not

508
00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:07.720
really ideally, but we're not in
an ideal This is a good question.

509
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:09.640
So I was talking to the guys
in Everclear about this the other day.

510
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:15.759
Digital masters, the dawn of digital
masters, or early early to mid nineties,

511
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:19.880
right, they started using these machines
called aid ads. They got away

512
00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.640
from two inch magnetic tape, which
was analog, and they started using these

513
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:27.720
digital formats. And they use those
digital formats up all the way up until

514
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.640
the dawn of pro tools, which
really took over around two thousand and one

515
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:34.559
two thousand and two. Right,
So this is decade or a little less

516
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:40.119
than a decade of early digital masters. They're all going to decay. Ours

517
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:44.559
are lost from the first records,
right why you read made the album?

518
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:49.720
That's why? Yeah. Yeah,
And I'm wondering about that a lot lately

519
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:57.119
because you know, with title and
even iTunes and the distribution distribution places are

520
00:32:57.200 --> 00:33:00.319
using higher reds in the ninety six
K stuff. Now, is there going

521
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:06.960
to be this generation of lost inferior
masters? Is my question? Like where

522
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:09.799
the streaming services they just sound grainy. It's like you're constantly watching the first

523
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:15.240
episode of The Simpsons, or the
sound or on TV show is so fucking

524
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:19.039
bad. The explosions are too lad. You can't hear the dialogue, yep,

525
00:33:19.759 --> 00:33:23.119
yeah, yeah, it's it's then
they're also that's that's a strange new

526
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:25.799
toy seven point one or whatever they're
messing around with. Now, it's just

527
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:30.240
like, yeah, that's it's.
I love that you're making this music mix

528
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.359
in the background, but there's a
dialogue scene, right and it's as loud

529
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:36.960
as the music and I can't hear
it. Yeah. We have to live

530
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.839
with subtitles on now, right,
right? Yeah? Right, we had

531
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:43.079
the subtitles on anyway, because we've
got kids in bed and we try to

532
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:45.519
keep it down. But when you
got the TV down already, it's weird.

533
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:47.599
You can't hear anything. It's very
weird. Yeah, I agree with

534
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:51.920
you. We sound like old guys. But a man shakes at that cloud,

535
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:58.440
grandpa. But let's talk about like
the two anyway. So like is

536
00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:00.240
the acoustic You're coming back from pandamaic. That's April, isn't it. Yeah,

537
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:05.359
come back for the full electric band
six piece in April. You've always

538
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:07.880
been an acoustic guard there, right, I always write an acoustic The first

539
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:12.320
album is all acoustic guitar. I
know that people don't understand how it's all

540
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:16.079
electric, but I put my my
acoustic guitar through an electric system. So

541
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:22.840
if you hear an electric guitar on
the first record, it's almost always my

542
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:27.440
Martin tripleo. Yeah sixteen still right. Yeah. I had to retire it

543
00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:31.239
from the road because it's got a
sort of a design flaw that's revealing itself.

544
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:34.000
Oh okay, you don't want to
reveal it? Yeah, well no,

545
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.920
no, you can only repair it
once. Oh and then after that

546
00:34:37.119 --> 00:34:40.599
it's curtains. So I did the
repair and I was advised to keep it

547
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:43.639
off the road because that's that's the
end of that. Well, it's the

548
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:45.480
one from the video, right,
it is the one from the video.

549
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:50.280
Yeah, And I have a search
alert on reverbount on eBay for those guitars.

550
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.280
They're kind of getting rare, and
they're not that they're not that collectible,

551
00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:57.280
they're they're in the two thousand dollars
range. Would you ever sell that

552
00:34:57.320 --> 00:35:00.679
one? Because you sign el you
sold your box and shit, there's always

553
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:01.599
gonna be times where you fall on
hard times. You gotta sell stuff.

554
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:06.800
But there's something sell the part with
If I'm selling that guitar to survive,

555
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:08.679
you're in trouble, right, it's
over. I should I should already have

556
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:14.039
gotten a job at a deli.
I feel like that the teenage dort Bad

557
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:15.719
guitar would sell for quite a bit, though, right, I don't know.

558
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:19.239
I don't know. I don't know
how much things are worth. What

559
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.519
do those guitars go for when they're
not the teenage dorpe Bank guitar? About

560
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:28.960
two thousand bucks? You're gonna get
ten for it, right, I don't

561
00:35:28.960 --> 00:35:31.360
know. Man, you're making me
wonder, You're making me worry. Let's

562
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:35.559
call my girlfriend, Hey, can
you get the guitar out of the house

563
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:38.320
and put it in a safety box
somewhere. She's not there. When you

564
00:35:38.360 --> 00:35:43.199
get back, the guitar's gone.
House is gone. I've always wondered with

565
00:35:43.239 --> 00:35:45.320
that video. So because it wasn't
a hit in America, the song now

566
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:49.639
it became a hit here first it
is now it is now we get the

567
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.480
majority of streaming is American. Yeah, okay, now see as a keep

568
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.119
growing up in Australia, it just
it felt like the biggest song in the

569
00:35:55.119 --> 00:35:58.360
world at the time. It was
the biggest song in our world. It

570
00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:01.800
was you know, in December of
two was number one on the pop charts

571
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:06.559
here and it was quadruple platinum.
Yeah. The film clip though it wasn't

572
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:08.159
made for Loser? Was it the
song? No? No, So they

573
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:10.400
just the director she wanted. She
picked it up for the film, Amy

574
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:15.360
Heckerling thought to fit the movie yet
But so you hadn't made a video for

575
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:19.199
it before Loser was coming to the
Equations. Correct, it was just Columbia

576
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.440
TriStar and we were on Columbia Records. So they were like, oh,

577
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:24.800
we have this perfect cross pollination moment
here. We can get you in the

578
00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:28.159
movie and we can make the video
that has the movie stars in it,

579
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.159
and it was just like, yeah, they got to do that, you

580
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:34.199
know, because they were Jason coming
off of American Pie like they that's that

581
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:37.280
were big stars, very serious.
Yeah still are you know, of course,

582
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:43.960
I think I think we got really
lucky that they that these knuckleheads from

583
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:49.159
Long Island had these two top shelf
thespians in there. You know, It's

584
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:53.440
like it was like and Amy Heckerling
also is a genius. I've watched the

585
00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:58.719
movie several times. I love it
because for a couple of reasons. I'm

586
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:00.719
glad you did, because so many
people tell it's a ship movie, and

587
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:01.920
I'm like, I love this movie. No, it's just not her.

588
00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:06.480
It's just the slower like it's this
it's kind of people who would say that

589
00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:10.960
would say I like pulp fiction,
but not Jackie Brown, you know that.

590
00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:15.679
But I like it personally because two
things combined in the beginning, in

591
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:21.599
the first five minutes of that movie
that that that's just my heart's pumping out

592
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:24.639
of my chest when the first time
I saw it is uh, Dan Ackroyd

593
00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:30.239
is on the screen and he's he's
wood Blues Elwood Blues. I was the

594
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:34.639
Blues Brothers was such an important movie
for me. It was so huge.

595
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.320
It was just like I knew every
line. I watched it every time it

596
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.159
was on any of the cable channels. I had the vhs. I have

597
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:45.320
the two copies of the soundtrack on
Final Kid, I was gone. So

598
00:37:45.480 --> 00:37:51.079
that's what cool is? Oh god, so cool and relevant. They chase

599
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:53.639
Nazis off of a bridge in Chicago. Hey, that's still happening, you

600
00:37:53.679 --> 00:38:00.480
know. So Dan Akroyd's Elwood Blues
and he's on the screen and right,

601
00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:04.239
he's the dad. He's the dad. Yeah. Yeah. And there's a

602
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.639
helicopter flying shot out of the Twin
Towers the year before they fell down,

603
00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:09.920
and that's our home, you know. So it really it really tied the

604
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.880
room together for us, put a
bow on the nineties, yeah, and

605
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:19.760
put us in a new place,
strangely without the towers, you know.

606
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:23.400
And it was just like, wow, it's all a full stop for a

607
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:27.119
generation, wasn't it. It's a
new world after that. Yeah, it

608
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.800
was like it's time to be an
adult. There's a Simpsons episode where he

609
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:32.639
goes to New York and he has
to beat it's when he goes to the

610
00:38:32.679 --> 00:38:37.400
two towers and he's got to get
these cars and jacked up. You remember

611
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:38.880
that episode and the Cloff clash guy, and you watch it now and you

612
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:43.280
go, oh, yeah, they're
not there anymore. Yeah, it's crazy,

613
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.440
isn't it. Yeah, there's a
lot, there's a lot of stuff

614
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:47.400
you're watching. They're not there anymore. You know, they're all over friends

615
00:38:47.440 --> 00:38:52.280
landscapes. Yeah. Yeah, they're
all over the movies and TV. I

616
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:54.440
always thought they should have built them
the same exact way. I thought so

617
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:59.559
too, because that Freedom Tower looking
things sucks. It doesn't look I mean,

618
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:00.639
I don't want to the glasses doesn't
look great. Nah, but it

619
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:05.760
sucks. But it's in It's it's
a nice building. I guess I meant

620
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:08.000
to represent a new way forward maybe
whatever. It's a lovely building, but

621
00:39:08.039 --> 00:39:12.960
it's not New York City. It's
it looks like some a Houston oil building

622
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.639
or something, you know, And
I just it's a tough situation. I

623
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:21.159
guess. Yeah. Well no,
I mean George Pataki made his high school

624
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:25.400
or college roommates architect in charge of
it. It was it was you know,

625
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:30.119
net bub nonsense, yeah, or
corrupt whatever you want to call it

626
00:39:30.159 --> 00:39:32.679
but crony. So because you're from
New York? Was that? How many

627
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:36.760
New york Ins what's the term for
New Yorkers? New Yorkers? Yeah?

628
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:38.639
How many New Yorkers do you talk
to who wish they were built the same?

629
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:43.159
It's hard to find one that doesn't
really, Yeah, real New Yorkers.

630
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:45.880
Yeah, like people who like live
there when it went down. Yeah,

631
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:47.039
they're like, Noah, man,
build the fucking towers again. What

632
00:39:47.079 --> 00:39:51.280
are you kidding me? They do
they before building them again now? Or

633
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:52.159
is it just too late? Yeah? Do it again. It's New York

634
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:54.599
City. You can tear anything down
to start over. Yeah, that's that's

635
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:59.840
the rule. We do that all
the time. We don't have precious se

636
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:02.480
like that. We do what we
want in terms of the shape and the

637
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:07.760
landscape. The whole entire island is
artificial. And maybe there was a time

638
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:10.719
when we should have left the Native
Americans alone. We have completely fucked that

639
00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:15.239
and missed that opportunity. It's a
different place now. It represents something different

640
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:20.239
in the world. I used to
represent opportunity. Well, I think it

641
00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:23.480
represents getting out of the shithole that
you're in and getting somewhere else, giving

642
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:27.840
yourself a chance to yes, get
believing in yourself and getting somewhere else,

643
00:40:28.079 --> 00:40:31.519
getting somewhere else. I guess it's
a draw. Yeah, I should say

644
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:35.760
that. I'm a person who's in
favor of giving several states back to the

645
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:40.159
Native Americans in America, right I
could. I could do a list of

646
00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:44.400
states that I think should go back. There's so many broken treaties in America

647
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:49.480
that it would be it'd be hard
to quantify justice. It's just too much

648
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:53.280
tolen. It's the same thing with
African Americans who were descended from slaves.

649
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:57.719
It's trillions of dollars in reparations that
are due, and we'll get it.

650
00:40:57.719 --> 00:40:59.960
We go to get it right,
you know. But I that's said,

651
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.599
I think that New York City is
an iconic place where people leave their horrible

652
00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:09.159
little life and go find another one. Those towers were important in that,

653
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:16.039
and I you know, iconography is
always important to humans. It's one of

654
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:21.159
the reasons that Church tried to control
it so severely. They know, you

655
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:23.400
know, iconography is important. See. I was too young to sort of

656
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:28.320
really appreciate them when they were still
here. I still have memories of laying

657
00:41:28.320 --> 00:41:30.679
in bed and here mum screamed.
She looked at the television because she saw

658
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:34.280
the plane hit the second one,
and it didn't quite hit Becaud would have

659
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.519
been. So it was two thousand
and one or about eleven twelve ish,

660
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.000
Maybe I knew something was happening,
but it didn't. It didn't sink in.

661
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:44.599
But so those towers you're saying,
for someone who grew up in New

662
00:41:44.679 --> 00:41:46.840
York, they represented New York?
Was it just those two towers? Were

663
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:51.000
they the true symbols? They were
the important ones? Yeah? I mean

664
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:52.519
they hit the right target. Yeah, you know they knew what they were

665
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:57.119
doing. Yeah, not just because
of world trade or whatever. You know,

666
00:41:57.239 --> 00:42:00.800
I'm talking about like Maderna, you
know, like and the and then

667
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:07.719
the notion of pluralism, these that
that two that two opposing ideas can co

668
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:13.880
exist in a society, and that
we will not choose violence, and now

669
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.320
we can go into our foreign policy
being total shit. You're absolutely right,

670
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:22.800
But the notion of pluralism is what
we're trying to do ostensibly. Right in

671
00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:27.400
New York City is a place that
I feel pride in in that regard.

672
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:31.840
Because this is going to sound a
little weird, but it's almost like if

673
00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:36.840
you're a racist in New York City, you're probably going to fail because you've

674
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:42.480
got to put your bullshit aside to
live with your neighbors and co exist and

675
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:45.920
get to know each other on this
in this like mashed together, you know,

676
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:52.400
microcosm. And one of the one
of my favorite things about the city

677
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:59.440
is that you don't have time to
judge people on on their background or the

678
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:01.440
color of this. You got to
fucking move. If they know how to

679
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:05.599
do it and you don't, you
have to. They become your teacher.

680
00:43:05.639 --> 00:43:07.880
It doesn't matter who they are,
what they do, male, female,

681
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:14.800
non non binary, whatever color,
whatever, religion. Fucking let's go.

682
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:17.000
You know. That was the one
thing that kept a better mean when we

683
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:21.559
arrived in twenty sixteen was just we
got out of the station and it was

684
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:23.400
just move, yes, people,
let let's go. Yeah, we're here.

685
00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:25.679
They're doing it on dragon a suitcase. I'm just trying to keep up.

686
00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:29.119
You know. It was chaos,
Yeah, chaos, But but you

687
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:31.920
live in that long enough and you
realize that you're in the you're in the

688
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:37.800
experiment. You're in the grand social
experiment. Can we live together? That's

689
00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:40.440
where it's actually being put to practice. Yeah, you know, and you'll

690
00:43:40.480 --> 00:43:45.280
get a lot of people from the
Red States in America talking about what a

691
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:47.760
mess the cities are and ball on. People are just afraid to learn how

692
00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:52.840
to parallel park. Fucking cowards.
Man, I don't have to learn seriously,

693
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:54.440
seriously because my wife looked at me, She's like, you don't have

694
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:57.960
to parallel park. I was like, I'll learn, man, Yeah,

695
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.880
yeah, you gotta learn. Yeah, if you're coming to the city from

696
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:06.000
somewhere else, you got to learn
how other people and other things work.

697
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:08.159
And that's terrifying to some people.
They won't do it. You know.

698
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:12.719
It's like you watch Seinfeld and I
have a big episode just about a parking

699
00:44:12.719 --> 00:44:15.760
space, right, you know,
like I always wonder who owns a car

700
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:20.440
in New York? I do?
Is it? So? When I was

701
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:22.159
driving, it was just constant traffic? Are you just is that just?

702
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:24.440
Is that just left of you that? Yeah? You learn? You learn

703
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:29.880
where the windows are, Yeah,
ninety five to eleven fifteen, there's a

704
00:44:29.880 --> 00:44:32.639
good window. Okay, if you
can, if you got to be at

705
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:36.800
work early, like I did in
the nineties, you jump on the subway

706
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:42.360
or you walk. I walked from
Avenue being fourteenth Street to Times Square almost

707
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:46.239
every day. And I walked at
as fast as pace you've ever seen it,

708
00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:50.519
Like, and I and I had
all these hacks, like I knew

709
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:53.360
that if if there was like if
a street was closed or a sidewalk was

710
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:57.159
closed, I knew I could jump
in a subway go underneath card like I

711
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:02.039
was a rat, you know,
a lizard living in a place where rats

712
00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:06.880
and lizards would thrive, you know, so not lizards so much, but

713
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:09.800
they did. My friend John,
his father in Bushwick, has a little

714
00:45:09.840 --> 00:45:14.440
skink living in the backyard and none
of us are sure how it's surviving the

715
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:19.760
winters. So this is very strange
for New York. It's obviously an escape

716
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:24.400
pet. But there is a lizard
in the in the in the no no

717
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:29.719
in. I think they live in
Ridgewood, in the border of Queens and

718
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:31.920
Brooklyn. So we're always wunning lizards
under rocks. Yeah, yeah, that's

719
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:35.199
common here, but not New York
City. We have a critic here,

720
00:45:35.519 --> 00:45:39.000
right, yeah, more pigeons,
right, pigeons, But the pigeons are

721
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:43.039
and now the birds of prey are
back. I have bald eagles off of

722
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.960
off of my apartment. Yeah.
Wow do they nest that? Yeah?

723
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:50.599
They nest On. Yeah, you
can make good money. Just put a

724
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:53.599
lot of streaming that ship. Yeah, they're they're they're a bitch to catch

725
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:57.920
on camera. They're so fast and
there and you know, I mean there,

726
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:00.960
I have. I have a few
good ones I'll show you or off

727
00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:04.599
the air, but but they're just
so you just you don't you don't want

728
00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:07.559
to grab your camera. You're like, holy shit, that's the one thing

729
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:09.920
I height when you got to gigs
now as the cameras. Yeah, you

730
00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:13.800
think you're never gonna fucking watch this
again. You're never gonna put it on

731
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:15.960
YouTube? Why are you actually filming
this? What is the connection between our

732
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:19.760
brains and our fingers going? You
have to feel this? Can I tell

733
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.079
you why I have more patience for
that than a lot of people I know.

734
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:23.360
I understand why people who are in
the arts are like, put your

735
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:27.079
fucking camera away and just enjoy it. I get that, right. But

736
00:46:27.079 --> 00:46:30.719
but the fact of the matter is
that the music industry and the arts in

737
00:46:30.760 --> 00:46:35.440
general, movies, TV, they
all thrive and survive because people make time

738
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:40.400
for this product when they don't necessarily
have that time. People are working two

739
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:45.159
jobs and they have kids, and
they're running around like lunatics trying to get

740
00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:47.920
in America anyway, health insurance and
like get all their shit together. It's

741
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:52.239
rat race. And if somebody has
time to show up at my show,

742
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:54.199
who the hell am I to tell
them how to what to do with it?

743
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:57.320
You know, you want to take
your camera or take your camera,

744
00:46:58.000 --> 00:47:00.760
you know, I mean I just
think missing the experience. Well, if

745
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:05.000
you're watching it through a through a
screen, yeah, but what is the

746
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:07.760
experience to them? Right, to
those people? Right, Like I'm trying

747
00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:12.639
to put myself in the shoes of
somebody who does not have the luxury of

748
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.480
just like absorbing art all the time? You know, would you have filmed

749
00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:17.559
and I say, dacy concept with
you Find? If you had the capability

750
00:47:17.599 --> 00:47:21.280
and Monte ninety three or whatever not? The first time I saw them was

751
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:23.239
nineteen eighty eight. Would you if
you had the capabilities we have now,

752
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:24.719
would you have filmed it? Three
you Find? Or would you have?

753
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:31.519
Just really a good question. I
was so shook up by the fact that

754
00:47:31.559 --> 00:47:36.639
I was in the room with Angus
Young. Where was it Madison Square Garden?

755
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:40.800
Wow? Fuck, that's without my
parents? How were you fourteen thirteen?

756
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.079
Amazing? Yeah, it was amazing. It was on the on the

757
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:46.519
Blow Up Your Video Tour. It's
all when Bonton Mill has go to see

758
00:47:46.519 --> 00:47:53.559
spinal tap, right right. I
know I probably not, probably not,

759
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:59.599
but you're you're asking an impossible question. It's like it's like the two dimensional

760
00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:05.440
man getting a three dimensional question because
that that technology, the notion of that

761
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:08.599
did not exist at the time.
But for like video cameras and actual you

762
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:13.599
know, snap cameras, and that
the idea of bringing any of that to

763
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:16.920
this show was just not in my
grasp. Like I just didn't have it.

764
00:48:17.079 --> 00:48:21.639
I didn't have one, didn't have
access to one, So it just

765
00:48:21.760 --> 00:48:25.320
was so far afield what you're talking
about. You can't apply the ease of

766
00:48:25.480 --> 00:48:30.760
access of today to those people because
those people didn't understand that ease of access.

767
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:32.519
Trying to explain it to my five
year old how we didn't get to

768
00:48:32.559 --> 00:48:35.480
you can choose what we want to
watch when we want to watch. It

769
00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:37.480
just kind of standing. Right.
I have this thing that I talk about

770
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:40.880
sometimes if I could travel back in
time and do anything, I would take

771
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:45.480
my iPhone back and show it to
Ben Franklin and be like, hey,

772
00:48:45.719 --> 00:48:50.000
doctor Franklin, this is remember you
did the experiment with the key and the

773
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.480
lightning, Well, we used that
force in the universe to make this.

774
00:48:53.199 --> 00:49:00.599
And here's a picture of you painted
on Facebook, right, trying to take

775
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:01.159
it all in. I know it's
a lot, but like you know,

776
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:04.960
we're we're doing this now, you
know, and it was you you discovered

777
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:08.960
it. So but uh yeah,
I can't break that barrier. Time is

778
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:13.199
locked. The I go back and
tell five year old me that there will

779
00:49:13.199 --> 00:49:15.760
be a point in time where you'll
be able to watch any episode of The

780
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:19.000
Simpsons whenever you want at your finger
tips. I just don't think I would

781
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.719
have been able to comprehend it right
because it was six pm weight nights,

782
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:23.199
that's when it was on here.
Yeah, and then I had marathons on

783
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:28.159
the weekends on the cable, but
it was just six think ours was six

784
00:49:28.239 --> 00:49:30.480
pm. I don't remember if it
was was six pm. I remember it's

785
00:49:31.280 --> 00:49:37.000
there was a lot of programming there
was in Living Color was on Fox back

786
00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.360
then, which was I have to
say, you know what, I watched

787
00:49:39.400 --> 00:49:43.679
that more than I watched The Simpsons. Yeah, okay, that was that

788
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:46.239
was more of my alley, do
you Jim Carrey fanly huge? But the

789
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:52.960
Waynes brothers and David Allen Greer and
and I have to say that that was

790
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:59.519
the first like it was like the
Black Saturday Night Live. It was fucking

791
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.480
awesome, and it was on earlier, you know, it was on earlier

792
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:09.559
than early enough for me to watch
it all the time. Yeah, that

793
00:50:09.679 --> 00:50:15.159
show is great. That show is
great, and Fox has become this horrific

794
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:17.320
thing. But but but that's just
TV in general now that right, I

795
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:23.280
guess I'm talking about the news network. Okay, but but Australian man,

796
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:28.920
so he sold it, right,
I think he sold it. I think

797
00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:34.599
he's still holding on white knuckled someone
there controlling them. When we get our

798
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:38.760
society back, it'll be like they'll
cut off his dead hand holding onto it

799
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:43.280
still, you know in space.
Well, here's your society. But we

800
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:49.559
can't seem to get this hand off. But uh, but the uh yeah,

801
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:52.920
that was a that was an you're
talking about having to wait checking the

802
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:57.400
TV guide? Do you remember that? Man? Love it? Call me

803
00:50:57.519 --> 00:51:00.599
a nerd, I don't care.
One of my favorite pastimes the weekend was

804
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:02.320
when Mom would go shop and she'd
become the TV guid and I'd highlight.

805
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:05.840
But I'm going to watch for the
week. Yeah, oh, man,

806
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:08.239
set it in my memory, Tuesday
seven thirty, Do not Miss Funnies home

807
00:51:08.320 --> 00:51:13.039
Videos? Yeah, TV Guide and
Reader's Digest. Yeah, Like there were

808
00:51:13.159 --> 00:51:19.119
just these two little things that were
on the coffee table. What is Digest?

809
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:22.920
The people would come to your door
and say you'd do one for free?

810
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:25.280
I'm like, well, still free
fucking why not? Exactly exactly?

811
00:51:27.599 --> 00:51:30.199
Yeah I didn't. Man. Man, how often do you watch The Simpsons?

812
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:34.440
Not as much as I used to, like per week since I started

813
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.079
doing the podcast, maybe two three
times a week. Okay, I used

814
00:51:37.079 --> 00:51:38.440
to go to bed with it on. I was big on the Simpsons commentaries

815
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:42.320
when they released the DVD sets.
That was sort of my introduct That's where

816
00:51:42.320 --> 00:51:45.480
podcasting for me started. I think
listening to these audio commentaries and movies and

817
00:51:45.519 --> 00:51:47.239
the Simpsons ones really shock a chord
with me. So I'd go to bed

818
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:51.400
every night listening to the Simpsons creators
talking about the show. I'd watched the

819
00:51:51.440 --> 00:51:53.480
episodes so many times I didn't need
to watch them anymore. I wanted to

820
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:57.599
listen to the creators how they made
the show. And now I think,

821
00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:00.599
because I'm critiquing it, it's almost
like it's become work a little bit,

822
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:04.880
which is a shame because I used
to watch it so often and I wanted

823
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.320
to introduce it to my kids.
But I just think I've been talking about

824
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:14.519
it all day. There were jokes
in this episode that that that I I

825
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:16.760
was like, Oh my god,
this show was really funny. I laughed

826
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:22.440
out loud. You wrote this episode. You're kidding me. So everyone talks

827
00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:24.000
about the Monty episode, Everyone talks
about the Homo goest to college. This

828
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:29.119
is the forgotten Conan one. This
is the forgotten con So I'm so glad

829
00:52:29.400 --> 00:52:30.960
because, first of all, I
think he's a genius. The second of

830
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:37.599
all, the joke that got me
was so freaking Conan, like the beard

831
00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:43.280
of bees. Okay, yeah,
I had to stop it. I laughed

832
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:45.599
hard enough to mix them to miss
the next bit of dialogue, so I

833
00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:51.320
had to rewind. And then something
funny happened with the streaming off our drop

834
00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:57.760
box? Did I say that?
Where where the ride where the audio was

835
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:00.440
off was sink with So I watched
the rest of the episode after the Beard

836
00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:04.639
of Beer out of sinc Audia.
It was so good, it was like,

837
00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:07.559
it made me think about it harder. Actually, you know, Yeah,

838
00:53:08.079 --> 00:53:12.000
but you imagine Colan doing it as
a skit on his show, Can't

839
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:16.280
You the Beard of Bees? Yeah, you know you're now And then I'm

840
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:20.719
sitting here talking about it the way
you tied where you tried to tie teenager

841
00:53:20.920 --> 00:53:24.679
Bag to this episode earlier. It
is a lot more like that like it

842
00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:30.519
than I had originally than it originally
float over me. I thought it was

843
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:32.199
just cliche, but it's actually more
to it. Yeah, there's a little

844
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:36.360
bit more to it, especially when
Mo shows up with the knife. Shit.

845
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:38.920
There's one mistake there though, when
everyone knows the Simpsons address and everyone

846
00:53:39.159 --> 00:53:44.360
seven four to Evergreen terraces right,
and but in that call says ten ninety

847
00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:47.880
four Evergreen Terrorists, And it's just
so bizarre that they said the wrong address.

848
00:53:49.119 --> 00:53:52.039
It's been acknowledged that seven four to
two Evergreen Terrorist was their address.

849
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:54.320
MO had been to their house,
but he says ten ninety four, and

850
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:59.480
it's just so weird. That's interesting. It's a glaring error. Maybe they

851
00:53:59.519 --> 00:54:00.800
had to ignoled she addressed before then. I don't know, is that the

852
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:05.519
first time they talked about the address
of the actual address. Maybe that's the

853
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:07.480
only way I feel like you could
talk making see, the thing is the

854
00:54:07.519 --> 00:54:09.960
problem is that I think I think
this is true of phone numbers as well

855
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:14.280
in Hollywood. If you accidentally list
to somebody's real phone number or address,

856
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:19.880
you have to like fix that.
Yeah, And maybe they didn't have the

857
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:24.360
ability to actually fix that, he
knows, because how do you get anyway?

858
00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:28.360
The most things. Just I just
love Jimbo. My pants are shave

859
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:32.719
for me, just gonna cautch you. Well, that's another thing. That's

860
00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:36.800
another thing. It's a cartoon,
right, shop owner from where I grew

861
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:38.880
up, was coming after you like
that with a night would you had to

862
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:47.000
run? You know? But uh
yeah, just as a as a so

863
00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:51.280
the dirt bag persona and can talk
about that for a second. Right.

864
00:54:52.039 --> 00:54:55.440
The problem, initially, at least
my in my youth in summer of nineteen

865
00:54:55.480 --> 00:54:59.920
eighty four, was that it could
mean it just it was just a misnomer.

866
00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:02.199
So I was a dirt beck because
I was into a c d C.

867
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:07.440
Right, and then murder the guy
got arrested with an ac DC shirt,

868
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:09.840
So, uh, he was into
a c d C too. Were

869
00:55:09.840 --> 00:55:12.920
your parents like, no, you
can't listen to it anymore? No,

870
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:15.360
my parents liked a c DC because
it's reminded them of Chuck Berry good,

871
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:21.679
right, but there was concern.
I remember my dad coming in when I

872
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:25.159
was that's two summers later. I
was listening to Lousying this guy with Diamonds.

873
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:29.039
I'm a CD player. This was
like the first CD we ever got

874
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:32.320
was Sergeant Peppers, and I was
like rewinding it, rewinding it, rewinding

875
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:35.639
it, rewinding it, rewinding,
just sitting there with my guitar, like

876
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:39.159
listening over and over again. And
my dad came in sort of concerned,

877
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:44.199
and he says, you know,
Brun, it wasn't always about drugs.

878
00:55:45.199 --> 00:55:47.840
And I was like, what,
I'm listening to the kick drum and the

879
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:52.880
breakdown? What are you talking like? And oh oh oh yeah, I'm

880
00:55:54.079 --> 00:56:00.920
right right right. So it's like
the eighty parents misunderstanding their kids is something

881
00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:06.400
that somebody needs to write encyclopedia about
because it was profound, but it is

882
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:09.719
looking for things to blame. Uh
yeah, I mean there was some it

883
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:15.000
was V Day games in the nineties, right. So in America, at

884
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:19.599
least all these World War II vets
and their families moved to Long Island because

885
00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:23.400
they were scared of the urban centers, right, And you know, they

886
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:27.840
call it white flight, you know
at the time, and there was a

887
00:56:27.880 --> 00:56:30.519
time where it was redlining, and
these neighborhoods were all set up to be

888
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:36.840
like sort of really racist and horrible. But the untreated you know, traumas

889
00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:42.519
of the World War two generation just
rained down on their kids in these newly

890
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:46.719
established like you know suburbs, which
were brand news for experiment, right.

891
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:52.320
So, and behind these closed doors
there was no therapy. Everyone's a victimisty.

892
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.920
Yeah, there's lots of a violent
violence and you know, abuse and

893
00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:02.840
whatever else. And and then you
entered drugs like real you know, psycho

894
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:07.880
stuff like LSD and mescaline and lots
of heroin and then crack and then you

895
00:57:07.920 --> 00:57:14.239
know there's like you combine that that
that's that's that's the eighties. That's where

896
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:16.039
they where they where they all where
they're all washed up on shore. Was

897
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:22.119
the late seventies and early eighties,
and so you had these and the economy

898
00:57:22.199 --> 00:57:25.599
sucked, so these nuclear families had
kind of like unraveled and fallen apart.

899
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:30.599
Both parents were now working. It
was the the baby boomer generation was trying

900
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:34.320
to do what their parents did because
they thought that was a good idea.

901
00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:37.480
Who god knows why. And then
you had, you know, like the

902
00:57:37.599 --> 00:57:43.079
latch Key generation, the eighties,
kids who parents were never home, lots

903
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:47.079
and lots of drugs, lots and
lots of violence, you know, spending

904
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:50.440
your time in the woods with no
money, trying to figure out something to

905
00:57:50.480 --> 00:57:52.239
do with the other kids. It
was like Lord of the Flies. Yeah,

906
00:57:52.519 --> 00:57:57.000
you know, the Stranger Things.
A good sort of interpretation with the

907
00:57:57.039 --> 00:57:59.800
Eighties would lie. I have to
say, I've never watched it, but

908
00:57:59.880 --> 00:58:02.320
I have had so many people say
this is you. You got to watch

909
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:06.320
this thing, and I'm like,
ah, I don't want to. I

910
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:12.079
don't want to books, I don't
want to, you know, I wrote

911
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:20.159
that song and then but but I
got you know, it's cool that it's

912
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.280
cool that those that those memories.
The thing is, like I was talking

913
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:27.559
about this before, like dirt Bag
is sanitized, you know, Happy Ending

914
00:58:28.119 --> 00:58:34.639
the cartoon is sanitized in terms of
Lisa and the how they're approaching feminism in

915
00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:39.360
the episode. The real world is
not that great to revisit if you're not

916
00:58:39.440 --> 00:58:45.159
with your therapist. Right, So
it's kind of like separating learning how to

917
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:50.199
separate fact from fiction and art from
from life can be challenging if like,

918
00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:54.599
if like the imagery of your childhood
is is being commoditized over and over again.

919
00:58:55.360 --> 00:58:58.559
Not that that's necessarily bad. I
think that's kind of how the system

920
00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:02.360
works, right. We're capitalistic,
so we picked the bones and resell.

921
00:59:02.920 --> 00:59:10.920
But but I'd say, like that
period of time is also locked away,

922
00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:15.360
you know, and in a good
way, Like that's a good thing.

923
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:22.360
It took me a long time to
unmaladapt right, Like I thought everybody got

924
00:59:22.400 --> 00:59:25.800
into a fistfight when they disagreed when
I was twenty seven, you know,

925
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:31.239
and that's not how the world is. Yeah, I've definitely got issues from

926
00:59:31.239 --> 00:59:34.880
my childhood that I should probably say
a therapist are bad, But I just

927
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:37.119
it's the fear of just talking about
it. I guess, yeah, yeah,

928
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:40.880
you'd be afraid. The problem with
me was that it's at some point

929
00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:44.920
it fucked me up so bad that
I was kind of like contemplating suicide.

930
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:47.159
Again. I had done that when
I was in high school, and I

931
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:52.559
didn't attempt, but I was like
when you're when you're conjuring up, like

932
00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:55.679
what's the right way to make sure
that there's no coming back kind of thing.

933
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:59.360
And this is before it was acknowledged
that it's okay for a man,

934
00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:01.239
it's help. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, No, my dad never

935
01:00:01.280 --> 01:00:05.559
talked about anything, that's what that's
never said I love you to me ever,

936
01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:07.280
right, right, I know he
does, but he's never said it.

937
01:00:07.480 --> 01:00:14.880
My dad said it. But that's
hard to describe, like like do

938
01:00:15.039 --> 01:00:19.760
you are we talking about the same
way? Maybe maybe maybe you're Brendan.

939
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:22.320
Maybe your may in like ten years. Yeah, I think I think that

940
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:24.960
he My dad was an orphan,
right, His mom died of alcoholism when

941
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:28.800
he was nine, and his father
died in an accident at work. Right,

942
01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:30.920
So he was like he was like
the red headed step child, kind

943
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:42.039
of icon archetype kid for for his
youth. And I think that the ah

944
01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:47.719
his ability to to teach me things
and be a parent was you know,

945
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:52.360
as limited as you would expect.
He didn't experience it any right, right,

946
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:55.599
So, and I was lucky because
my parents stayed together, and well,

947
01:00:55.679 --> 01:01:00.599
some people would say that my mom's
alway says she stayed together for the

948
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:04.119
kids. Right. There was so
physical issues or anything like that, a

949
01:01:04.159 --> 01:01:07.519
lot more emotional yelling and screaming.
We could go down a rabbit hole on

950
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:10.079
this. That's really deep we were
actually talking about Homer here. Should they

951
01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:14.599
split off, like for the good
of the kids would have been better.

952
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:16.440
We're now reviewing the teen seasons of
the Simpsons. We've gone from the start

953
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:20.199
with out season eighteen, and it
came to a point about season ten or

954
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:23.280
eleven where they just they gave up
giving Homer, holding him a cannibal for

955
01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:28.079
his alcoholism. So in the early
nineties, in these episodes here you touched

956
01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:30.239
on it earlier that you know,
he's always putting the drinking ahead of his

957
01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:34.079
family, things like that, but
often enough it would come back to buy

958
01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:36.000
him on the ass and he'd have
to be held a cannable and still put

959
01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:37.719
his hand up and say, look, I shouldn't have done that. Next

960
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.280
episode, he's back to doing it
whatever. In the teen seasons, we

961
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:44.599
get what they call jerk ass Homer, where he's never held a cannibal.

962
01:01:44.800 --> 01:01:47.760
He's just a prick to everybody,
he's a drunk, he's a horrible father,

963
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.800
and it's just the show's not fun
anymore. Really, Yeah, I'm

964
01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:57.079
glad you didn't pick one of those. That's an episode and the listeners have

965
01:01:57.159 --> 01:01:58.559
been just like, I'm sick of
you bring this one up, but it's

966
01:01:58.599 --> 01:02:01.679
called Codependence Day. And in the
episode, Homer drink drives with margin,

967
01:02:01.800 --> 01:02:07.199
the car crashes, then wakes up
in the ditch the cars upside down,

968
01:02:07.360 --> 01:02:08.760
puts her in the driver's seat and
doesn't run it and lets her cop the

969
01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:13.719
blame, and that makes her think
that she drink drives. Wow. Not

970
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:16.760
good. Very bad, Yeah,
very very bad. So you're talking about

971
01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:22.599
this this episode with an intensity that
although you're a Simpsons professional, you did

972
01:02:22.679 --> 01:02:27.639
not approach the episode that I that
I was taught here to talk about.

973
01:02:27.880 --> 01:02:31.400
And I think that that means that
you definitely need to talk to a therapist.

974
01:02:34.039 --> 01:02:37.320
And they bring this one up in
the friendliest, most loving way.

975
01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:40.639
I'm saying it's because my wife did
that to me. I shouldn't, no,

976
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:45.960
but I there's look the way that
early psychological psychological damage works, right,

977
01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:52.239
Yeah, your brain forms these neuropaths
off of it, and you think

978
01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:54.960
they're okay, and they ain't.
No, So you're just like functioning along

979
01:02:55.480 --> 01:03:00.239
with this, like your brain's firing
the way that it always has, which

980
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:05.760
is shittily. And and you come
into you develop, you grow up,

981
01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:14.079
your responsibilities increase, your your worldview
increases, either money and financial, responsibility

982
01:03:14.119 --> 01:03:19.679
and trickiness all becomes serious. Yes, and you are stuck now in a

983
01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:25.440
place where you realize you're not equipped
to get through this without something terrible happening.

984
01:03:25.800 --> 01:03:30.119
And that's when you have to see
a therapist, which is actually,

985
01:03:30.320 --> 01:03:35.360
sadly sometimes too late. Right.
So with me, I got lucky.

986
01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:37.880
I found the right one. I
oh, were you and defend we started

987
01:03:37.920 --> 01:03:44.559
signa therapist twenty ten, okay,
yeah, and the childhood trauma yes,

988
01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:50.039
yeah, yeah, very much so. And that was you know, everything

989
01:03:50.119 --> 01:03:52.920
I was taught was that that doesn't
work, that's talk, therapy is nonsense,

990
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:57.840
that that's a bunch of hocus pocus
bullshit and lolma if they ever tried

991
01:03:57.840 --> 01:04:00.039
it from people who had never tried
it or never would. Right, So

992
01:04:00.199 --> 01:04:04.199
I was raised as a skeptic on
that whole thing, reinforced this garbage,

993
01:04:05.719 --> 01:04:10.679
right, and realized that it that
I better try something. So I did,

994
01:04:11.000 --> 01:04:12.960
and I was on my own with
it. It was sort of like

995
01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:16.960
got an our keyboard player at the
time. Gerard gave me a name and

996
01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:24.840
it worked. And I still go
to doctor Suzanne Lackman in New York and

997
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:30.000
once a week if i'm home.
Still yeah, yeah, and I don't

998
01:04:30.159 --> 01:04:34.199
roll in there with nothing to say. I do like prep work. I

999
01:04:34.760 --> 01:04:39.400
think hard about, like what's the
most embarrassing moment of the week for me

1000
01:04:39.480 --> 01:04:42.719
that I wish didn't go that way
and get into that one, you know,

1001
01:04:43.119 --> 01:04:48.239
like just beat yourself up a little
bit and unpeel the onion and trying

1002
01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:50.320
to figure out why you're doing what
the hell you're doing. Are you a

1003
01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:57.280
dweller, I'm a dweller. Dweller
absolutely, I'm in a near constant state

1004
01:04:57.320 --> 01:05:01.960
of dwelling on something. I've gotten
better at juggling moving on my dwells,

1005
01:05:02.079 --> 01:05:09.280
yeah, my dwell plates, but
now not moving on. I mean if

1006
01:05:09.519 --> 01:05:13.679
I if I screw something up,
I blame myself forever on stage or just

1007
01:05:13.760 --> 01:05:18.280
in life, everywhere, every single
thing. And I at the same time

1008
01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:20.719
that I'm trying to let myself off
the hook, I'm trying to learn that

1009
01:05:20.960 --> 01:05:25.760
never do that again, right,
which requires a bit of like beat yourself

1010
01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:30.079
up right for it. It's it's
a fine line, and you're not good

1011
01:05:30.119 --> 01:05:34.039
at it. If you're not,
if you've been you know, unaddressed issues,

1012
01:05:34.679 --> 01:05:39.360
it's just get worse. So that's
my opinion, my experience. But

1013
01:05:39.920 --> 01:05:43.679
how is that as a musician though, because I feel like we're very much

1014
01:05:43.840 --> 01:05:46.360
like perfectionist wise, do you go
back into the songs and go fuck?

1015
01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:48.800
I wish I had have done this
now. Oh yeah, how hard is

1016
01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:54.079
it for you to not dwell on
that kind of stuff? Impossible, totally

1017
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:58.639
impossible. I do better new stuff, And like when I make a new

1018
01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:04.880
album, the Valentine LP or twenty
thirteen record, first record I made after

1019
01:06:05.000 --> 01:06:09.760
therapy, and could you send a
difference. Oh yeah, it's my favorite

1020
01:06:09.760 --> 01:06:14.039
one to play live all the where
you were in live. No, it's

1021
01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:16.360
just free of Like I listened to
the first record and I'm like, shit,

1022
01:06:16.480 --> 01:06:20.480
man, this is really angry.
I was so angry and I had

1023
01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:24.039
been ripped off. I missed out
on a record deal. Somebody stole some

1024
01:06:24.159 --> 01:06:29.679
songs from me and stuff in New
York music industry and jerked around and DEMI

1025
01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:38.119
dev grow it wasn't but I it
was a million dollar deal. Shit that

1026
01:06:38.519 --> 01:06:41.800
I missed, and I had done
the work for it and was cut out

1027
01:06:41.840 --> 01:06:46.760
at the last minute. And I
was the first weaatest record I was working

1028
01:06:46.800 --> 01:06:55.280
on until then is actually kind of
represented by the ten additional songs that we

1029
01:06:55.440 --> 01:06:58.440
added to the twenty twenty version.
So if you want to hear what the

1030
01:06:58.480 --> 01:07:00.440
first Weaedest record would have sounded like, I'm up and screwed around badly.

1031
01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:09.039
The twenty songs version has the alternate
universe first first Wheatest record on it,

1032
01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:14.159
so you wanted to do twenty No
no No. I had a different prior

1033
01:07:14.199 --> 01:07:16.480
to being ripped off in the nineties. I had a different approach to Wheatis.

1034
01:07:16.880 --> 01:07:20.760
I was writing more sort of like
emotional like and more emo stuff,

1035
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:27.599
and sort of more a bulliant or
a happier, more forgiving place. Who

1036
01:07:27.679 --> 01:07:30.360
were listening to at that time?
The otis who would count at that point.

1037
01:07:30.400 --> 01:07:32.960
I was listening to Everclear, I
was listening to Annie DiFranco. I

1038
01:07:33.039 --> 01:07:39.400
was listening to Soul Coughing. I
was listening to the Indigo Girls a lot.

1039
01:07:40.639 --> 01:07:44.960
The Foo Fighter's color in the shape
was was part of the repertoire as

1040
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:48.239
I was making the first record,
and then I had all these songs and

1041
01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:51.639
when the guy when I got ripped
off, a lot of them morphed into

1042
01:07:51.719 --> 01:08:00.239
these angry pieces. Sunshine is Truffles
is really angry? Those truffles is I

1043
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:02.840
wrote when I was thinking about all
the shit that kids used to see to

1044
01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:06.880
each other in my high school.
That's just a document of some of the

1045
01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:14.320
more sanitized stuff that kids would say
to each other. And my high school

1046
01:08:14.400 --> 01:08:16.800
is nasty like about that, you
know, we I mean so gnarly.

1047
01:08:16.840 --> 01:08:20.560
We're boys' school. And I missed
school. But I don't miss the drama

1048
01:08:20.680 --> 01:08:25.319
of school. No, I missed
the socialization of I get to see my

1049
01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:27.760
friends anywhere near is often anymore,
being in dad and everything now and working

1050
01:08:27.800 --> 01:08:30.279
full time. But I missed the
idea of being able to go to a

1051
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:31.840
place and know your friends are going
to be there. But the drama and

1052
01:08:33.359 --> 01:08:35.359
you put yourself through at school,
and you think, why did you do

1053
01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:38.600
that? But you're just going through
things. You're a teenager, you know.

1054
01:08:38.880 --> 01:08:41.680
Yeah, Well, I mean kids
are nasty and violent and violent and

1055
01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:44.600
horrible to one another. And it
was the boys' school I went to in

1056
01:08:44.640 --> 01:08:47.159
the eighties was about the pinnacle of
that. You know, I'm terrified.

1057
01:08:47.199 --> 01:08:51.119
My son's just started school last week. He's five, so I know what

1058
01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:55.880
school's like. Yeah. It's just
trying to be his dad and guide him

1059
01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:58.119
through it. That's the terrifying part
of it. I don't have kids.

1060
01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:00.560
I'm fifty years old, and I
don't have no plan for kids. And

1061
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:04.960
I think one of the reasons is
because I'm I almost didn't make it myself.

1062
01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:10.600
I'm reluctant, reluctant to assume that
I'm prepared to guide somebody else through

1063
01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:14.600
that. Do you think you'd have
to relive your issues if I wouldn't know

1064
01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:15.319
how? And it's going to be
a new issue, right, Yeah,

1065
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:18.800
it's going to be like something I
could. I could never imagine sending me

1066
01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:23.720
photos on my phone exactly, the
failure of my imagination based on what I

1067
01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:26.000
went through. It's like one of
those things is like, no, I'm

1068
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:28.680
not having kids. I don't want
to put anybody through that. I I

1069
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:31.119
was almost casualty. I'm not.
I'm not, you know. It's a

1070
01:09:31.159 --> 01:09:35.880
lot of fear there. Yeah,
I also don't. I pursued other things

1071
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:42.319
so so fully that apparent I am
not, you know. But yeah,

1072
01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:45.640
So it's like it's good you can
acknowledge that, though, sure, because

1073
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:48.359
some people don't and they have kids, and they have kids anyway, and

1074
01:09:48.399 --> 01:09:53.159
they shouldn't have yeah, and we
have some kids shouldn't be born. But

1075
01:09:53.399 --> 01:09:58.359
like some kids are brought in for
with the wrong intentions. Who who knows

1076
01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:01.520
how how these things happen? You
know, I mean, I mean I

1077
01:10:01.640 --> 01:10:04.720
look at myself sometimes I think,
Wow, when you were eleven years old,

1078
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:08.880
you were basically on the like the
serial killer path, Like how did

1079
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:11.199
you get off of that? Oh
guitar? Oh, that was a close

1080
01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:13.960
call, Like like wait, wait
a minute, what made you think serial

1081
01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:15.680
killer pop? And what why?
Is? Oh? I was so such

1082
01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:20.399
a dark little kid after the sort
of like rougher stuff of you know,

1083
01:10:21.119 --> 01:10:28.840
traumatic events. Yeah, I can
tell you it was. Ah, I'm

1084
01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:33.680
a I'm a sexual abuse survivor,
and I uh, I never told anybody

1085
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:40.640
until I was in my thirties.
Just imagine being in young mind being shaped

1086
01:10:41.079 --> 01:10:46.119
almost permanently by by the worst betrayal
or the kind of thing, and and

1087
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:55.000
you're uh and it's you know,
being a male and sort of cis ish,

1088
01:10:55.399 --> 01:11:00.800
you know, is back then was
like you could tell anybody that,

1089
01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:06.359
like, you know, no fucking
way. And then you get to the

1090
01:11:06.399 --> 01:11:10.159
point where you haven't, and later
in life you're like, I'm much more

1091
01:11:10.199 --> 01:11:14.319
comfortable not talking about it, you
know, But you're fucked. You're completely

1092
01:11:14.359 --> 01:11:17.119
your your approach to shit is as
wrong as it can get. You just

1093
01:11:17.199 --> 01:11:23.439
don't know it, and you just
have been kind of trudging along trying to

1094
01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:26.560
be normal when you're not, like, you know, trying to just like

1095
01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:30.520
everyone assumes everybody is normal, right, so you just get on it.

1096
01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:35.600
No, there's no normal, but
there's there are there are versions of right,

1097
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:40.880
there are versions of not normal that
are like way more toxic than others.

1098
01:11:41.319 --> 01:11:44.920
Right. So so that was it
for me. It was like,

1099
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:49.680
you know, uh, I was
just very very dark kid like way dark.

1100
01:11:49.840 --> 01:11:54.760
My mother actually referred to it as
like my like she referred to it

1101
01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:58.000
as my black period where I was
just like I wasn't a goth or anything

1102
01:11:58.039 --> 01:12:00.199
like that. I just didn't talk
like I was just like shut off,

1103
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:03.640
so so shut off. I was
just so shut off all through high school.

1104
01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:08.159
What got you through that or what
not? That got you through it?

1105
01:12:08.199 --> 01:12:11.479
But it was only one There was
only one effective distraction, and it

1106
01:12:11.600 --> 01:12:15.119
was playing guitar every Saturday and Sunday. Yeah. Yeah, I went to

1107
01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:16.920
a school. I went to a
boys school that wasn't an hour and a

1108
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:20.319
half commute from my local town.
Okay, right, So I was on

1109
01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:24.800
the train for three hours a day
and I was essentially from the age of

1110
01:12:24.880 --> 01:12:28.760
thirteen, I was like a New
York City commute commuter. Yeah yeah,

1111
01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:30.600
and it was three hours of homework
when you got home if you didn't do

1112
01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:33.840
it on the train. Doing your
homework on the train was risky because there

1113
01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:38.920
was construction workers and other people who
were like, it was this rich kid

1114
01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:41.720
on with the tie on the train, you know. So even though it

1115
01:12:41.800 --> 01:12:44.000
was like the majority of people who
went to my high school, their parents

1116
01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:50.279
were cops and firemen. But it
was like just just the guitar, always

1117
01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:55.399
guitar, always guitar. First it
was ac DC when I was ten eleven,

1118
01:12:55.439 --> 01:13:00.319
twelve thirteen, and then Metallica and
then Rush and Print and more complicated

1119
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:04.039
stuff, and it's very different,
so hard, so hard to play print

1120
01:13:04.119 --> 01:13:08.960
songs. I remember trying to figure
out Raspberry Beret on the guitar forever and

1121
01:13:09.079 --> 01:13:15.920
not getting it. Dire straits.
But like the control exercise of teaching myself.

1122
01:13:15.960 --> 01:13:18.640
I didn't want lessons. I took
lessons for three months with a really

1123
01:13:18.720 --> 01:13:21.159
nice guy, but I was like, there's something wrong with this. I

1124
01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:25.680
want this back. So I took
the control of teaching myself how to play

1125
01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:30.520
guitar in this sort of like bubble
of like if you're not in control of

1126
01:13:30.520 --> 01:13:32.840
your life, you don't feel like
your control of your own body. Even

1127
01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:36.920
then you're kind of like in a
place where you have to have some sort

1128
01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:40.279
of you have to exercise control over
something. And that was for me his

1129
01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:43.640
guitar, because you stuff produced all
the music and everything. Yeah yeah,

1130
01:13:43.800 --> 01:13:46.399
so I'm controlling. I love to
be in control of everything. Yeah yeah,

1131
01:13:46.720 --> 01:13:49.840
when it comes to my podcasting,
I mean yeah, yeah. So

1132
01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:53.079
it was like it was like that. It was like that was the distraction

1133
01:13:53.399 --> 01:13:57.560
or the positive distraction that got me
to a different places. I felt you

1134
01:13:57.600 --> 01:14:03.239
could feel like total self satisfaction at
having figured out how Angus actually plays riff

1135
01:14:03.319 --> 01:14:09.159
raff. That was so much more
important to me than anything else. It

1136
01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:15.960
was like the most this other world. It was like a transcendent importance,

1137
01:14:16.039 --> 01:14:18.239
which no, how did you learn
that, because it is before you can

1138
01:14:18.319 --> 01:14:21.199
just go on the internet and just
look at the colds. I paused the

1139
01:14:21.319 --> 01:14:28.199
tape cassette, Ye rewind every thirty
ten seconds and nope, nope, nope,

1140
01:14:28.199 --> 01:14:30.359
by note, nope, by note. Every time you met him.

1141
01:14:30.680 --> 01:14:33.119
No, I had the chance to
meet him. We were on the same

1142
01:14:33.199 --> 01:14:39.399
label in two thousand and two and
They played a show at Roselamp Ballroom,

1143
01:14:39.399 --> 01:14:42.720
which was like a twenty five hundred
capacity club in New York City in two

1144
01:14:42.760 --> 01:14:45.000
thousand and two, and I got
a ticket from our A and R guy

1145
01:14:45.000 --> 01:14:48.880
at the time at Columbia Records.
I will forever owe him. But they

1146
01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:58.640
fucking destroyed the place. They hung
their true their arena, not arena arena,

1147
01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:02.279
PA a twenty five hundred club.
So these huge arrays are hanging down

1148
01:15:02.319 --> 01:15:05.720
to the hang do you hear me
right now? I wore ear plugs the

1149
01:15:05.720 --> 01:15:09.760
whole time, and they opened with
Helen in a Bad Place to Be,

1150
01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:13.319
So for me, that was my
favorite ACDC song. Just ripped my ear

1151
01:15:13.359 --> 01:15:15.079
plugs out right away and I was
like, oh no, no, right

1152
01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:20.079
back, hen No, there was
no cameraphone. I didn't have a cameraphone

1153
01:15:20.159 --> 01:15:24.840
yet, so so I did properly
in just two thousand and two. Prior

1154
01:15:24.920 --> 01:15:29.600
to you know, cameraphones were around, but they were garbage like you would

1155
01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:31.600
never you know, back when you
had to pipe for a text message.

1156
01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:35.159
Yeah no video, there was no
video. Yeah right then, I think

1157
01:15:35.199 --> 01:15:39.399
I had a next tell. I
had a nextel hip pager. Yeah,

1158
01:15:39.760 --> 01:15:45.239
two way, next heel pager.
Snake. Yeah, yeah, neat old

1159
01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:50.760
stuff. Well, so I got
into the meet and greet right, and

1160
01:15:50.960 --> 01:15:55.359
I can't understand. Sorry, I
was Angus for Halloween in nineteen eighty five

1161
01:15:55.600 --> 01:15:58.640
and again in nineteen eighty six.
That's kind of kid I was. I

1162
01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:00.039
was like, no, this is
good enough costume. I'm sticking with it.

1163
01:16:01.199 --> 01:16:05.479
And uh, the door swings Over're
in the meet and greet area as

1164
01:16:05.560 --> 01:16:09.479
this like sort of this like staging
area for people who were in the meet

1165
01:16:09.479 --> 01:16:11.840
and greet. There's only about twenty
people who actually were in the meet and

1166
01:16:11.880 --> 01:16:15.720
greet, and uh, the door
to the dressing room area swings open,

1167
01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:19.359
and I see Cliff with his knee
with his leg up against the wall.

1168
01:16:20.199 --> 01:16:24.960
And as it's the door swinging back, I see Angus walk out into the

1169
01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:30.239
hallway like with Cliff, and I
went, nope, really I left,

1170
01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:33.640
Yeah, I left. I left
because I wanted to keep him where he

1171
01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:39.600
was like in like on that stage
like so good, like so like so

1172
01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:43.479
awesome. I didn't I didn't have
anything to say room the teenage doorback,

1173
01:16:43.600 --> 01:16:45.119
guy, I really love you,
I sang about Iron Maiden, but I

1174
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:49.199
you know you well no, no, no, no, no. It

1175
01:16:49.319 --> 01:16:53.960
was like the pretense for being there, like why are you here? You

1176
01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:56.439
know? And the reason I was
here is because we're on the same label.

1177
01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:59.039
I didn't feel like telling him that. I didn't feel like saying any

1178
01:16:59.039 --> 01:17:00.840
of that ship to him. If
you saw him at a super Michael,

1179
01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:04.279
would you say hello? If I
thought it wouldn't make him feel weird,

1180
01:17:04.359 --> 01:17:09.000
I might, But look, he's
just a guy, right. Neil Pierce

1181
01:17:09.079 --> 01:17:12.159
talks about this and in these interviews
that he did when he was alive,

1182
01:17:12.800 --> 01:17:15.560
he loved Keith Moon, but he
would never hang out at Keith Moon's hotel

1183
01:17:15.640 --> 01:17:20.760
waiting for him to come outside,
right, And it's like whether or not

1184
01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:24.760
Angus knows that he taught me how
to play guitar, like my initial everything

1185
01:17:24.920 --> 01:17:30.159
about my pentatonic scales and which technique
is, Yeah, my earliest technique is

1186
01:17:30.239 --> 01:17:34.520
only Angus. The teenage doorback technique
is sort of a Mark Knopfler hybrid.

1187
01:17:34.640 --> 01:17:39.840
But but my earliest everything is Angus
Young. It's the initial, the first

1188
01:17:39.960 --> 01:17:44.399
lessons the grammar school guitar is Angus
Young. And I don't know how to

1189
01:17:44.520 --> 01:17:47.439
tell somebody that you know that sounded
like an obsessed with that sounded like a

1190
01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:55.439
like like you're angus. Your neurons
shaped my neurons right, like for better

1191
01:17:55.520 --> 01:17:58.319
or worse, like whatever happened.
That's that's why, that's who I am.

1192
01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:00.119
And it's almost like I want to
tell me the story that and it

1193
01:18:00.199 --> 01:18:02.279
means so much to you. But
he's headed a million times before as well.

1194
01:18:02.479 --> 01:18:06.119
Yeah, and who cares? Right
in the end, I think the

1195
01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:10.560
only person who maybe understands is is
Axel Rose got to sing with them,

1196
01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:13.279
you know, and probably gets it. The two new guys in the band,

1197
01:18:13.319 --> 01:18:15.920
they have a new bass player,
new drummer, and they just announced

1198
01:18:15.960 --> 01:18:19.119
the tour of Europe. Yeah,
possibly next year Australia again. Oh man,

1199
01:18:19.680 --> 01:18:21.560
Yeah, I'm waiting for New York. I want to see him at

1200
01:18:21.560 --> 01:18:26.000
Madis Square Garden again. Actually they
probably they probably wouldn't play the garden.

1201
01:18:26.000 --> 01:18:29.720
I saw it. The last time
I saw them was twoy and sixteen with

1202
01:18:29.880 --> 01:18:32.840
Axel at Madison Square Garden. Yeah. Wow, And I was surprised.

1203
01:18:32.880 --> 01:18:36.479
Axel did a really good job.
He's straightened himself out. He really did

1204
01:18:36.520 --> 01:18:39.840
a great job. Man, he
killed it. It was obvious to me

1205
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:46.479
that at some point in Axel's life
he learned everything from Bond. At some

1206
01:18:46.680 --> 01:18:51.840
point bond was his most important sort
of focus and because he got it right.

1207
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:57.399
Can't get that right unless that's true. Unless you burn those neuropaths when

1208
01:18:57.439 --> 01:19:00.960
you were a kid, you can't
do that stuff, you know. So

1209
01:19:01.159 --> 01:19:04.640
I yeah, that's that's why.
That's why I didn't want to talk to

1210
01:19:04.720 --> 01:19:08.840
him about bullshit. Do you dwell
on it? No? I know I

1211
01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:13.239
made the right decision. Yeah,
if professional context ever puts us in the

1212
01:19:13.319 --> 01:19:15.720
same room again, it might be
different, but only if I feel like

1213
01:19:15.720 --> 01:19:19.520
I'm not going to weird him out, because it's just it's just it's I

1214
01:19:19.560 --> 01:19:23.079
don't know. I don't want to
weird him out. Yeah, I don't

1215
01:19:23.079 --> 01:19:26.479
want him to think something of me, But you let me that you ever

1216
01:19:26.560 --> 01:19:29.399
think in it. I think maybe
maybe he'll just forget who I am in

1217
01:19:29.439 --> 01:19:31.680
an instant. But but I you
know, I just I like him where

1218
01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:35.319
he is. Do you dwell on
anything from Teenage Peg? Not from teenage

1219
01:19:35.319 --> 01:19:40.520
Starpeck? No got that one right, it did? I feel good about

1220
01:19:40.520 --> 01:19:42.479
that one. There are things about
the first record that I like, As

1221
01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:48.520
I said, like feel too angry
for me these days, But that record

1222
01:19:48.640 --> 01:19:51.319
is is what it is and couldn't
have been anything else. Yeah, and

1223
01:19:51.600 --> 01:19:56.359
uh and dirt Peg is you just
smile when you listen to it? I

1224
01:19:56.479 --> 01:19:59.399
smile. Yeah. I love playing
that song. It just takes me back

1225
01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:00.680
to a so when I was just
happy. Yeah, I mean I'm not

1226
01:20:00.680 --> 01:20:03.479
happy. I'm happy now, but
it's just it's the nostalgia and it's just

1227
01:20:04.119 --> 01:20:06.880
it's a feel good story and it's
just kind of a smile. Yeah.

1228
01:20:08.199 --> 01:20:14.920
I'm super happy that that happened.
I have a career in music, and

1229
01:20:15.199 --> 01:20:17.680
that's to me was like this.
I remember watching Angus when I was ten,

1230
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:21.239
thinking if I can do any version
of this, any version of this,

1231
01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:25.640
I'll be okay. Yeah, And
maybe that's the distraction I was talking

1232
01:20:25.640 --> 01:20:28.600
about, and not the guitar,
but but the but the point is only

1233
01:20:28.680 --> 01:20:31.159
that, like I look forward to
playing that song every night, because I

1234
01:20:31.159 --> 01:20:32.520
said, you have a get sick
of it, but you don't, No,

1235
01:20:32.880 --> 01:20:34.840
never, you can't get sick of
it because when it's when it's the

1236
01:20:35.079 --> 01:20:39.319
song, you can't be sick of
it. We're lucky that way because a

1237
01:20:39.399 --> 01:20:43.199
lot of bands from our generation,
they had like a cover that they did

1238
01:20:43.600 --> 01:20:45.840
or this song that was again our
guy's idea, or is a co write.

1239
01:20:45.840 --> 01:20:50.319
It's not necessarily their identity song.
Tanage Starback is my identity song that

1240
01:20:50.319 --> 01:20:54.079
I've worked on for four years and
I'm still proud of it. And it's

1241
01:20:54.279 --> 01:20:57.079
in four years for this song.
Yeah, man, I had that riff

1242
01:20:57.119 --> 01:20:59.800
when I was in high school.
Really yeah, I was messing around with

1243
01:20:59.840 --> 01:21:01.600
that riff all through the colas.
When you call the first time you strummed

1244
01:21:01.600 --> 01:21:05.520
it the idioh Man so early,
so early. I had that riff so

1245
01:21:05.680 --> 01:21:09.880
long ago that I probably played it
on a Gibson SG that I had when

1246
01:21:09.920 --> 01:21:13.760
I was thirteen. It's like Frank
Pixies, he comes your man. He

1247
01:21:13.920 --> 01:21:15.159
wrote that when he's like fourteen.
Yeah, you know, I didn't write

1248
01:21:15.199 --> 01:21:17.279
the song, no, but he
had the idea of the song, right.

1249
01:21:17.319 --> 01:21:19.800
I think he wrote it later,
but he could in his head.

1250
01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:23.680
I had the riff, an idea
of it. Yeah, I had that

1251
01:21:23.800 --> 01:21:28.600
riff and and I put the put
the song together in my voice, together

1252
01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:31.279
with it my finding my voice and
learning how to sing it all from like

1253
01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:35.479
ninety five to ninety nine. What
was it originally? What do you mean?

1254
01:21:35.520 --> 01:21:38.960
What was it original? So when
you were originally strumming it, what

1255
01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:41.159
were you singing a well? So, first of all, it's not strummed,

1256
01:21:41.159 --> 01:21:44.560
it's finger from right. But but
that that in my head, it

1257
01:21:44.680 --> 01:21:47.119
was just a cool guitar part.
It was just like a skill on the

1258
01:21:47.159 --> 01:21:51.079
guitar that I felt was like,
Okay, I've never heard this. I've

1259
01:21:51.119 --> 01:21:54.880
never heard anybody do this. You're
trying to be original eventually on the guitar.

1260
01:21:54.920 --> 01:21:57.720
You're trying to be originally. It's
hard. It's really hard. You're

1261
01:21:57.800 --> 01:22:00.159
like, you're like, who am
I? Why can't Why don't I have

1262
01:22:00.239 --> 01:22:03.840
original thoughts? Like you know,
and and then eventually you kind of like

1263
01:22:03.960 --> 01:22:10.000
you accidentally have original thoughts or synesthesia
happens when you're sort of crisscrossing your senses

1264
01:22:10.359 --> 01:22:14.680
you're smelling a taste or you're seeing
a a sound or something like that,

1265
01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:21.680
you know, and that becomes this
you know, incepted moment. Right you

1266
01:22:21.800 --> 01:22:26.600
can like the first time and go
down bong. Right, that's it right

1267
01:22:26.640 --> 01:22:29.079
there? You did it, like
you figured it out, and can you

1268
01:22:29.119 --> 01:22:31.199
recall what was in your mind?
Was it excitement? Was it? Well?

1269
01:22:31.560 --> 01:22:34.680
So, having had the riff for
a while and been sort of cool

1270
01:22:34.760 --> 01:22:38.159
with like, Okay, I can
write my own guitar parts. I'm a

1271
01:22:38.199 --> 01:22:44.399
guitarist, you know, that lasted
for decade even more, you know.

1272
01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:49.239
And then I was twenty two and
I was in just got out of college

1273
01:22:49.479 --> 01:22:54.760
or whatever, maybe a little earlier
than that, and I'm contemplating, like

1274
01:22:55.279 --> 01:22:57.399
no, no, no, no, no, Like you need to sing.

1275
01:22:57.640 --> 01:23:00.359
You need to create a story,
a short story, narrative with characters,

1276
01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:03.159
and you need to develop them,
and you need to like this needs

1277
01:23:03.199 --> 01:23:06.800
to be a little novella and has
to make sense, and you have to

1278
01:23:06.840 --> 01:23:10.800
feel good about it. It has
to identify you, you know, you

1279
01:23:10.920 --> 01:23:13.960
have to. It has to be
an identity song. I know that Rush

1280
01:23:14.039 --> 01:23:16.119
has Tom Sawyer and a CDC has
Back in Black, and there's sort of

1281
01:23:16.159 --> 01:23:20.319
like songs in E at the bottom
of the guitar, you know, the

1282
01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:25.439
open string that are sort of these
foundational, like rock songs. It's like

1283
01:23:25.600 --> 01:23:28.880
I wanted an E. I wanted
to have this that's my E riff,

1284
01:23:29.159 --> 01:23:34.159
you know, and then build around
it this sort of short story about somebody

1285
01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:39.600
who doesn't stand a chance. Yeah
yeah, yeah, So that was the

1286
01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:43.159
that was where it came from.
That's where a narrative came from. And

1287
01:23:43.239 --> 01:23:46.600
when I actually got the first melody
and the lyric, I was lying on

1288
01:23:46.760 --> 01:23:51.720
my futon in Queens at that apartment
that I was talked about earlier, where

1289
01:23:51.720 --> 01:23:55.840
I was paying two hundred fifty dollars
a month, and then my my one

1290
01:23:55.960 --> 01:23:59.359
room was identified by the blankets that
were hanging. I didn't have a door.

1291
01:23:59.439 --> 01:24:03.920
It was just gets yeah, exactly. And I I was lying on

1292
01:24:03.960 --> 01:24:09.239
that futon thinking about Metallica and Cyndi
Lauper at the same time and just sort

1293
01:24:09.239 --> 01:24:13.520
of daydreaming on not even their melodies
or their music, just on there.

1294
01:24:13.960 --> 01:24:15.640
How the way that they made me
feel as records made me feel like just

1295
01:24:15.720 --> 01:24:19.279
kind of like letting it simmer in
the stew, kind of of feeling emotions,

1296
01:24:19.479 --> 01:24:24.399
like without the melody in and while
playing that, and then I went,

1297
01:24:24.600 --> 01:24:28.159
her name is Noel. I have
a dream about Sima. I started

1298
01:24:28.199 --> 01:24:33.319
the first verse lying down on my
back with the guitar and st After the

1299
01:24:33.479 --> 01:24:39.079
first thirty seconds of having repeated it
to myself, I sat up and I

1300
01:24:39.199 --> 01:24:42.840
turned on the four track and I
started to get it down. That's exciting,

1301
01:24:43.000 --> 01:24:45.640
yeah, and that and that was
that was how Actually I didn't even

1302
01:24:45.680 --> 01:24:48.399
have a four track. Then I
had a dictaphone. Wow. Yeah,

1303
01:24:48.439 --> 01:24:54.359
it was on a dictaphone, little
tape cassette dictaphone lost that recording machinery somewhere

1304
01:24:54.439 --> 01:24:58.399
in the buried in the world.
I think with the masters. The masters,

1305
01:24:58.479 --> 01:25:00.640
No, no, no, that
that never went to the record label.

1306
01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:02.239
That little tape is mine and you
still got it. You definitely still

1307
01:25:02.359 --> 01:25:05.439
I think it's still there somewhere.
Yeah, you gotta gotta unearthed it and

1308
01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:11.279
get a dick to phone and play
it back then maybe the original yeah yeah,

1309
01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:14.319
yeah, you know you you know, you're not thinking that at the

1310
01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:16.399
time. You're really like, you're
somewhere else. You're like, no,

1311
01:25:16.520 --> 01:25:18.640
no, no, no, fuck
the tape. I want to where this

1312
01:25:18.800 --> 01:25:24.359
needs I need twenty four tracks,
you know with expensive microphones. No,

1313
01:25:24.439 --> 01:25:27.479
don't show this to anybody. They
was sitting there listen to and play right,

1314
01:25:27.680 --> 01:25:32.039
you know, right, Yeah,
everyone's trying to get bit a million

1315
01:25:32.119 --> 01:25:36.880
dollars for Paul McCartney's first like real
to Real demo. Yeah no, I

1316
01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:42.960
they didn't think of that that way, but I was. I was obsessed

1317
01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:48.720
with getting it down because I wanted
to play it back to myself and play

1318
01:25:48.760 --> 01:25:51.359
along with it, pick up where
it leaves off, that kind of thing,

1319
01:25:51.439 --> 01:25:56.880
like get another step in the in
the puzzle, you know, piece

1320
01:25:56.920 --> 01:26:00.520
of the puzzle, and eventually I
had verse one, verse one, pre

1321
01:26:00.680 --> 01:26:05.479
chorus one, chorus one, verse
two. Uh oh no, no,

1322
01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:09.319
no, I stopped. I stopped
at chorus one. I didn't know what

1323
01:26:09.439 --> 01:26:12.800
to say about verse two for a
while, and then I got verse two

1324
01:26:13.399 --> 01:26:15.640
as soon as I got to feel
like I needed to turn violent a little

1325
01:26:15.640 --> 01:26:18.479
bit. Verse two. Is that
the controversial one? Yes? Yeah,

1326
01:26:18.520 --> 01:26:23.239
that was the one that the label
was upset about. Yeah. They tried

1327
01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:26.720
to get me to change it.
Honestly, I was, like I said,

1328
01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:30.319
ten or eleven, trying to source
an uncut version of the song.

1329
01:26:30.319 --> 01:26:32.399
It was difficult. It's funny treasure. Yeah. I felt that way about

1330
01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:38.520
a c DC's version of School Days
when I was your age or the time

1331
01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:43.560
yet. And I was lucky because
my parents rented a room to an Australian

1332
01:26:43.640 --> 01:26:48.239
student called Lou and she brought me
back the Australian TNT release which had school

1333
01:26:48.279 --> 01:26:54.600
Days on it, and I was
like, I'm the only one and he

1334
01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:56.720
probably were one of the other ones. I was probably the only person on

1335
01:26:56.800 --> 01:27:00.680
Long Island who had a copy of
that. Yeah, but that that line,

1336
01:27:00.760 --> 01:27:03.600
though I don't the only way I
first heard it. I hired Loser

1337
01:27:03.680 --> 01:27:06.520
from the video shop and they played
the young cut version at the start when

1338
01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:10.319
he's walking to the apartment. That
was the first one ever actually heard you

1339
01:27:10.399 --> 01:27:13.439
say the words he would a gun
to school. Yeah. Yeah, the

1340
01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:15.920
links that I would go to just
to hear you say that word. It

1341
01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:17.479
was like taboo. You can't hear
him say that word. And I finally

1342
01:27:17.479 --> 01:27:19.840
got to hear you say it.
At the time. You will appreciate the

1343
01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:25.720
irony. They wanted me to change
it because Walmart didn't carry foul language records.

1344
01:27:26.359 --> 01:27:30.520
But Walmart did sell guns, so
you could get the gun, but

1345
01:27:30.640 --> 01:27:33.439
you couldn't get the song that mentions
the gun. You can buy them,

1346
01:27:33.520 --> 01:27:38.399
you can't use them. It was
a time in America. You can buy

1347
01:27:38.479 --> 01:27:40.960
them, you can use them on
each other, but you can't talk about

1348
01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:43.560
them in music. I've always was
it. I've always wondered because in the

1349
01:27:43.640 --> 01:27:45.199
clip you sort of roll your eyes
when you say it. You roll your

1350
01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:48.640
eyes. I roll my eyes in
every take with more. They picked the

1351
01:27:48.680 --> 01:27:51.960
one where I was the least sarcastic
looking. Is it because you knew it

1352
01:27:53.079 --> 01:27:55.159
was going to be edited anyway?
Yeah, I already knew it was edited.

1353
01:27:55.760 --> 01:27:59.199
They were playing. I was playing
along to the edited version, okay,

1354
01:27:59.520 --> 01:28:01.479
and every time I made sure I
did that. Yeah, fuck you

1355
01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:05.920
guys. I'm glad that's the reason. Yeah. Yeah. And our guy

1356
01:28:05.960 --> 01:28:09.800
actually liked that, Kevin Patrick,
he was like, oh you oh,

1357
01:28:09.920 --> 01:28:12.920
that's great that you're just sticking it
to him. Yeah, because it wasn't

1358
01:28:13.039 --> 01:28:16.600
entirely his choice either. We're talking
about the whole entire apparatus of a multinational

1359
01:28:16.680 --> 01:28:21.960
media corporation and their retail outlets that
goes beyond the A and R office.

1360
01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:25.600
You know, did you have much
say in the film clip? Not?

1361
01:28:26.720 --> 01:28:30.359
No, not really, But I
knew that they were taking the narrative and

1362
01:28:30.479 --> 01:28:34.439
that I was kind of okay with
that. Yeah. Yeah, because Jason

1363
01:28:34.520 --> 01:28:38.720
and you know, on set with
you because you're playing at the bowl right

1364
01:28:38.760 --> 01:28:42.439
at the end, at the at
the prom. My original idea for it

1365
01:28:42.560 --> 01:28:45.279
was that we weren't at the prom, that we were outside at a bonfire

1366
01:28:45.359 --> 01:28:47.319
in the rain with playing for the
kids who didn't go to the prom.

1367
01:28:47.479 --> 01:28:50.640
I felt like that would be cooler. But but they I think they did

1368
01:28:50.680 --> 01:28:54.159
a good job. It was just
always on you know, It's just it's

1369
01:28:54.199 --> 01:28:57.079
just it's such a big part of
that childhood. Yeah, it's cool,

1370
01:28:57.199 --> 01:29:00.279
it's cool. I like I said, we're really lucky, Like we're lucky

1371
01:29:00.279 --> 01:29:02.920
at a bunch of idiots whoever came
out of Long Island. Me in particular,

1372
01:29:03.079 --> 01:29:08.800
because I was unprocessed, you know, damage at the time, and

1373
01:29:08.960 --> 01:29:13.039
I was starting fights with everybody who
disagreed with me and trying to keep that

1374
01:29:13.119 --> 01:29:15.239
control, you know, like trying
to make sure nobody damaged anything in my

1375
01:29:15.399 --> 01:29:17.800
name, you know, or put
something out in my name. That was

1376
01:29:17.880 --> 01:29:21.560
something I didn't want to be behind. Plus burned. Yeah, I've been

1377
01:29:21.600 --> 01:29:25.000
burned really bad. I knew that. I knew they were scombacks. I

1378
01:29:25.119 --> 01:29:27.560
was convinced of it. I didn't
have to be taught, you know,

1379
01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:30.279
it's like you're the enemy. Yeah, how'd you cope with the fame?

1380
01:29:30.760 --> 01:29:33.399
So it was just like overnight,
because I know in America it wasn't necessarily

1381
01:29:33.520 --> 01:29:36.600
it evolved to that, but in
Australia you were just like huge times.

1382
01:29:36.760 --> 01:29:41.479
We never felt it. And in
Australia, well, because we were here

1383
01:29:41.520 --> 01:29:43.520
for a short period of time and
it was work, work, work,

1384
01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:45.039
work, work, and then we
had to go home and home nothing's going

1385
01:29:45.079 --> 01:29:47.159
on, so it still nothing was
going on when it was a hit here.

1386
01:29:47.319 --> 01:29:49.960
No, no, it had come
and gone in the States. The

1387
01:29:50.000 --> 01:29:54.920
American record label was sort of I
remember them being sort of embarrassed about another

1388
01:29:55.079 --> 01:29:57.880
territory getting it right, but still
kind of like, Okay, this is

1389
01:29:57.920 --> 01:30:00.600
good, you're earning money. And
and then it blew up in England and

1390
01:30:00.720 --> 01:30:06.159
that's when it really got weird with
the territorial pissing that was going on between

1391
01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:13.680
the two companies, the English office
in the American we were assigned to new

1392
01:30:13.720 --> 01:30:18.800
E and our guy the American side
wrestled it back for the video for a

1393
01:30:18.840 --> 01:30:25.800
little respect if you recall that video
as Brittany Murphy in it. And then

1394
01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:29.159
that was a second hit in the
UK, but not here. I don't

1395
01:30:29.199 --> 01:30:32.000
think I think Here's much. Leroy
was a second sing was the next one,

1396
01:30:32.079 --> 01:30:34.880
right, which we filmed here in
Melbourne in Melbourne at the High Five,

1397
01:30:34.960 --> 01:30:39.680
and then we and then when we
were over in England, it was

1398
01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:42.960
it blew up really hard over there, and so much so that we were

1399
01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:45.720
like playing the Prince's Trust party in
the park for like Prince Charles and stuff

1400
01:30:45.840 --> 01:30:50.199
is crazy. We were in between
like meat Loaf and Beyonce. So it

1401
01:30:50.319 --> 01:30:56.960
was it took us on a ride. And then the third single became this

1402
01:30:57.159 --> 01:31:02.960
humongous fight and this is where ET
comes back. The third single this entire

1403
01:31:03.000 --> 01:31:06.560
time was this, He's just waiting
for me to tell this story. I

1404
01:31:06.680 --> 01:31:11.319
see you, I see you.
E T get you home soon enough.

1405
01:31:12.039 --> 01:31:15.600
Puppet right, live sized puppet staring
directly at me. I'll have you know,

1406
01:31:15.760 --> 01:31:20.279
like strategic position, strategically, no
chance of me avoiding the eye contact

1407
01:31:20.680 --> 01:31:26.439
with e T. Anyway. Uh
God, he's still cute though he is.

1408
01:31:26.560 --> 01:31:30.680
Yeah, But but the the video
for that song, our third single,

1409
01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:33.880
Want to Be Gangster, has an
ET suited man in it, and

1410
01:31:34.880 --> 01:31:39.479
was it designed to look like a
or just came out that way. I

1411
01:31:39.600 --> 01:31:43.720
don't know, man, I don't
know. But the puppet, like,

1412
01:31:44.880 --> 01:31:47.000
yeah, I was terrified. So
let me say I'll say this. The

1413
01:31:47.079 --> 01:31:50.920
guy who did the teenage story Bag
video also did they Want to Be Gangster

1414
01:31:51.039 --> 01:31:55.800
video? Right, So we trusted
him, and the pitch that I got

1415
01:31:55.880 --> 01:31:59.399
him, I still would trust him. But the pitch that I got was

1416
01:32:00.319 --> 01:32:03.239
see, even George Lucas gets it
wrong sometimes right, and it's Pielberg.

1417
01:32:03.359 --> 01:32:11.560
So if this is gonna be a
cross between Brother from Another Planet and two

1418
01:32:11.600 --> 01:32:14.720
thousand and one space obusely, that's
what we're gonna do. We're gonna do

1419
01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:19.600
this story of like, uh,
this person who doesn't belong in this society

1420
01:32:19.680 --> 01:32:25.520
kind of thing. Right, Well, you saw what we got and was

1421
01:32:25.760 --> 01:32:29.000
it was quite a far away off
from either one of those films or any

1422
01:32:29.039 --> 01:32:31.439
of these intent behind them. At
what point during the shoot did you go,

1423
01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:35.479
I'm not sure it's exactly what we
had in minds. Right off the

1424
01:32:35.560 --> 01:32:42.279
bat, they had these guys like
these solo guys dressed up. Yeah,

1425
01:32:42.439 --> 01:32:45.800
Like I kind of thought it was
racist. I was like, what is

1426
01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:47.359
this what? You know? Like
it's all out of your hands, by

1427
01:32:47.359 --> 01:32:50.039
the way, because the money spent, you know, and you're rolling.

1428
01:32:50.119 --> 01:32:53.199
Everyone's like, yeah, this is
it, man, you really got you

1429
01:32:53.279 --> 01:32:56.199
really got this right now. It's
so two thousand by the way, Yeah

1430
01:32:56.640 --> 01:33:01.159
yeah, it's really two thousand and
and I I I worried. We worried

1431
01:33:01.279 --> 01:33:06.720
openly as a band on the set
with each other during the filming, like

1432
01:33:09.159 --> 01:33:11.880
what is this gonna look like?
You know? I don't know, I

1433
01:33:11.920 --> 01:33:14.920
don't know, man, Like the
you know, the car with the hydraulics,

1434
01:33:14.960 --> 01:33:18.640
it's the six or four dropping down
with like I just this is not

1435
01:33:18.760 --> 01:33:21.800
what we it's not what we wrote, it's not the song we wrote.

1436
01:33:21.840 --> 01:33:25.720
We wrote a song about a Long
Island guy who's like, who doesn't get

1437
01:33:25.800 --> 01:33:30.119
it? You know? So it
worked out the way it worked out.

1438
01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:33.119
And I've had people say to me
that, and I disagree that the video

1439
01:33:33.279 --> 01:33:36.479
is so bad it's good, and
I don't have to push back on that.

1440
01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:39.800
I think it's just so bad it's
bad. Do you not blind to

1441
01:33:39.920 --> 01:33:42.800
audiology? But something can be so
bad that it's good or just this in

1442
01:33:42.880 --> 01:33:45.920
particular, I understand why people can
fetish something that is that was so horrible,

1443
01:33:46.000 --> 01:33:53.119
the way that the room, the
film that are you familiars right,

1444
01:33:53.720 --> 01:33:56.600
things of that nature. But sometimes
bad, it's just really badly bad,

1445
01:33:57.319 --> 01:34:01.359
playing bad, you know, regular
bad. You know what it was was

1446
01:34:01.720 --> 01:34:04.359
we used to have every Saturday morning, my sister and I would get up

1447
01:34:04.399 --> 01:34:08.560
we watched the Rage Top fifty and
it was the only way to watch unedited

1448
01:34:08.600 --> 01:34:11.880
film clips uncensored. But then some
kind of gun for some reason. But

1449
01:34:11.920 --> 01:34:14.600
anyway, they had the Top fifty
no commercial breaks. Was on the kind

1450
01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:16.159
of your PBS. It was at
ABC. Oh yeah, and they just

1451
01:34:16.199 --> 01:34:19.000
play all the songs and it's want
to big gangster film clip. It was

1452
01:34:19.079 --> 01:34:21.760
just this idea of this alien,
was just the either image of it in

1453
01:34:21.840 --> 01:34:25.439
my mind, and it was before
the Internet. And then like ten years

1454
01:34:25.479 --> 01:34:28.239
later, I was like, I
remember this alien that looked like ET.

1455
01:34:28.399 --> 01:34:30.079
I don't know what it was from
what a scene? All the time?

1456
01:34:30.319 --> 01:34:33.720
Was it Alpha? What was it? I've got a Google I'm like aliens

1457
01:34:33.760 --> 01:34:36.720
that looked like ET. I'm like, what is this? And then one

1458
01:34:36.840 --> 01:34:40.680
day popped up and I was like, that's the fucking alien. Yeah yeah,

1459
01:34:40.760 --> 01:34:45.159
yeah, it's bad news. It's
bad news, very strange. A

1460
01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:47.720
lot of views on YouTube though,
sadly money you know what you know it

1461
01:34:47.880 --> 01:34:50.079
was, you know, it broke
my heart the most about that. When

1462
01:34:50.119 --> 01:34:58.000
we recorded it the previous August.
We recorded it it Abby Rhodes Studios in

1463
01:34:58.159 --> 01:35:01.439
room two. We're Sergeant Power.
It was made and Bruce Dickinson from Iron

1464
01:35:01.479 --> 01:35:05.279
Maiden rode his bike down from his
house in London and sang on it.

1465
01:35:05.760 --> 01:35:12.199
That's Bruce Dickinson singing and ship yeah
yeah, that's him. And I produced

1466
01:35:12.239 --> 01:35:15.520
a song in Abbey Road in that
room on that gear, I took a

1467
01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:21.680
nap where Paul played the fucking blackbird
guitar lick and did get did that song

1468
01:35:23.119 --> 01:35:27.239
like right to the entrance to the
courtyard there, and I was so proud

1469
01:35:27.279 --> 01:35:30.680
and so happy that we had reshaped
this song because I'm not gonna get into

1470
01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:32.840
it. But there were so many
alternate versions that the an R guys wanted

1471
01:35:33.079 --> 01:35:36.720
that they had sent out to mixing
engineers and you know, remixing engineers,

1472
01:35:36.760 --> 01:35:40.159
and everyone had this hair brain idea
like, oh, this is gonna be

1473
01:35:40.159 --> 01:35:42.840
the one. One of them was. One of them was Dear Prudence,

1474
01:35:43.760 --> 01:35:46.640
like sampled underneath us, and I
was like, I'm not releasing a sample

1475
01:35:46.680 --> 01:35:50.520
of deer Prudence in England. You
can fucking forget it, like it's not

1476
01:35:50.640 --> 01:35:54.680
happening. It's not happening stops and
they thought. They were like, oh,

1477
01:35:54.720 --> 01:35:56.199
it's a mata, man. You
don't want to be rock star,

1478
01:35:56.199 --> 01:35:58.920
you don't want to play the game. I was like, fuck no,

1479
01:36:01.119 --> 01:36:05.279
no, hell no, man,
I'd rather yeah, throw me in a

1480
01:36:05.399 --> 01:36:11.800
meat grinder, I read. But
then so we got we we wrestled it

1481
01:36:11.880 --> 01:36:14.119
back and got brus On to want
to be gangster, and we were so

1482
01:36:14.319 --> 01:36:16.319
proud of the recording. I'm still
proud of the recording. The actual single

1483
01:36:16.439 --> 01:36:21.720
version is dope and and then we
got this video stuck on us, and

1484
01:36:21.800 --> 01:36:28.359
I think that the the video was
just sort of like the the vomit of

1485
01:36:28.479 --> 01:36:32.279
all of the bad feelings of of
getting to that single, which was really

1486
01:36:32.359 --> 01:36:35.840
weird too, because we had had
two successful ones and there was still all

1487
01:36:35.920 --> 01:36:40.920
this like gnarliness about who we were
and what kind of music we were making,

1488
01:36:41.000 --> 01:36:44.039
so much so that there was an
internal disagreement at the label that was

1489
01:36:44.079 --> 01:36:47.319
really intense between the American people and
the and the UK people. We were

1490
01:36:47.359 --> 01:36:53.239
assigned a UK and our guy who
was sort of a new metal dude,

1491
01:36:53.640 --> 01:36:57.720
which we weren't in any shape or
form, and you know, it just

1492
01:36:57.800 --> 01:37:01.439
went weird, got weird in a
hurry. Yeah. So with the UK

1493
01:37:02.199 --> 01:37:05.960
officers taking credit for the success of
Teenage over there, oh, that was

1494
01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:11.119
a that was a big part of
it. What it's like anytime they can

1495
01:37:11.199 --> 01:37:13.880
rub New York's nose and it like, we got this right and you fucked

1496
01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:15.800
it up. But people, it
is people. What do you think it

1497
01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:19.119
was about the US audience that it
just didn't take off the way that it

1498
01:37:19.279 --> 01:37:24.079
was delivered? And there was some
radio shenanigans that I won't get into.

1499
01:37:24.199 --> 01:37:27.920
Okay, Yeah, that were like
you could say that we were being kind

1500
01:37:27.960 --> 01:37:31.680
of used as a pawn in there
in the larger game of the radio politics

1501
01:37:31.720 --> 01:37:35.439
in America and not necessarily for the
good of the song or for our careers,

1502
01:37:35.800 --> 01:37:40.600
which those politics don't really exist anymore. It's all kind of faded now.

1503
01:37:40.760 --> 01:37:43.880
They'll find a new way to screw
with people. But but I but

1504
01:37:44.000 --> 01:37:47.119
I but that particular version the you
know, I know of this for a

1505
01:37:47.199 --> 01:37:51.199
fact. People that we worked with
wound up testifying before Congress because of the

1506
01:37:51.239 --> 01:37:55.560
bullshit they really yeah, yeah it
was it went it went big because this

1507
01:37:55.600 --> 01:37:58.279
doesn't It just blows my mind.
It just wasn't a success in America.

1508
01:37:58.319 --> 01:38:02.159
I'm thinking the Teenage JEP the song
that was like the song about generation almost

1509
01:38:02.239 --> 01:38:05.039
you know, like everyone loved it. Like I said, it's come around

1510
01:38:05.119 --> 01:38:09.840
now. One Direction had a big
hand in that. Yeah, they tore

1511
01:38:09.920 --> 01:38:13.079
it in America to sold out stadiums
and gave it to a whole new audience,

1512
01:38:13.119 --> 01:38:16.159
bigger audience than than radio has.
And there's a lot of rock stars

1513
01:38:16.199 --> 01:38:19.800
who be too scared to let a
band lop one Direction take their song because

1514
01:38:19.800 --> 01:38:23.680
of its one direction, right,
they've got a huge audience. But well,

1515
01:38:23.720 --> 01:38:25.840
it's a boy band. So the
way that that works is that they

1516
01:38:25.920 --> 01:38:28.800
can cover it. I have no
saying whether or not they cover it.

1517
01:38:28.920 --> 01:38:30.359
That's called compulsory license. So you
can't stop a cover. No, I

1518
01:38:30.399 --> 01:38:34.199
can't stop a cover if it's a
dead cover. If it's just they do

1519
01:38:34.319 --> 01:38:38.880
the song the way that it is. You can't say anything no that they

1520
01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:42.479
have to pay me, okay,
right, Like I'm you just can't say

1521
01:38:42.479 --> 01:38:44.760
you don't make it, right,
I can't say don't make I can't stop

1522
01:38:44.800 --> 01:38:47.359
them. I can ask them politely
and request that they not cover it if

1523
01:38:47.359 --> 01:38:49.359
I don't like it, but I
can't stop them from doing it. I'll

1524
01:38:49.399 --> 01:38:55.520
cover is a cover, and if
they change it that becomes an interpolation.

1525
01:38:55.960 --> 01:39:00.439
Then they need my permission, okay, right. So that they didn't change

1526
01:39:00.439 --> 01:39:02.039
anything, they went they went in
on that song and they did a good

1527
01:39:02.119 --> 01:39:05.840
job and they loved they loved the
song. I think those kids genuinely loved

1528
01:39:05.880 --> 01:39:09.920
the song. And I met them
and talked to them about it and great

1529
01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:14.319
musicians. Yeah, yeah, amazing. Their band is so smoking. One

1530
01:39:14.359 --> 01:39:16.720
Direction band was the best best players
in the country at the time. I

1531
01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:21.840
think for that age. Bracket still
friends with those guys Josh and Sanda.

1532
01:39:21.880 --> 01:39:24.960
I played with you right on our
bunch of our records. Yeah, yeah,

1533
01:39:25.039 --> 01:39:29.680
so you get styles on at some
point. I think he's doing his

1534
01:39:29.760 --> 01:39:31.000
own thing. But but but yeah, I would love to have him on.

1535
01:39:31.079 --> 01:39:33.680
Yeah. Absolutely, he's a great
singer. Yeah, he's got a

1536
01:39:33.800 --> 01:39:38.960
big depth of knowledge of music.
I think for somebody who grew up when

1537
01:39:39.000 --> 01:39:42.560
he grew up. He's a guy
like all of the Fleetwood mac chops and

1538
01:39:42.760 --> 01:39:45.039
like you know, he's he's a
smart kid, great actor as well.

1539
01:39:45.159 --> 01:39:48.159
Yeah, he's good. Well,
I've been holding you long enough me.

1540
01:39:48.239 --> 01:39:49.840
I was longer than I thought I
was gonna be sorry about that. We

1541
01:39:49.880 --> 01:39:53.520
didn't talk about the episode too much. That's fun, is it cool?

1542
01:39:53.840 --> 01:39:56.439
Okay? Fun? Yeah? Yeah
yeah, but like the one thing I

1543
01:39:56.439 --> 01:39:59.239
do want touch about the episode though, sure, the Homer b plood can

1544
01:39:59.279 --> 01:40:02.479
eat one of my ba plots of
all one of the best side side show

1545
01:40:02.560 --> 01:40:06.079
literally a side show. He becomes
a side show. Like that's and that's

1546
01:40:06.359 --> 01:40:11.840
that's conan, Like, let's make
a side plot where Homer becomes a side

1547
01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:16.359
plot in his own side plot.
We went fishing. Yeah, I really

1548
01:40:16.439 --> 01:40:19.920
felt for Marginal. I was like, man, you fucking kidnapped your wife

1549
01:40:20.439 --> 01:40:25.880
because you couldn't eat like all the
food in the restaurant. You kidnapped your

1550
01:40:25.920 --> 01:40:29.479
wife and makes her sit next to
him when he becomes the grotesque at the

1551
01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:36.119
end in the window. Yeah,
he really good illustration of the maniacal the

1552
01:40:36.399 --> 01:40:41.760
madness of capitalism. If you get
a freebie, you know you're gonna take

1553
01:40:41.840 --> 01:40:45.760
it to the place no one could
imagine. We're in the wrong here,

1554
01:40:45.800 --> 01:40:46.960
though. I Mean, that's what
I've always loved about this story. And

1555
01:40:47.000 --> 01:40:49.680
I'm like, it technically does say
or you can eat. It does,

1556
01:40:50.680 --> 01:40:57.560
but but it doesn't say. It
doesn't say make your wife sit there and

1557
01:40:57.640 --> 01:41:00.640
then be an accomplice in which is
alleged to fish. But yeah, yeah

1558
01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:04.800
right, like like I mean,
homs Homer's piece of ship, Like we

1559
01:41:05.079 --> 01:41:08.760
need we need to kind of come
to terms with this a little bit because

1560
01:41:09.279 --> 01:41:13.159
I think that you were mentioning family
guy. I think there are other shows

1561
01:41:13.720 --> 01:41:16.239
where the piece of shit Dad is
kind of like let off the hook even

1562
01:41:16.319 --> 01:41:21.720
more and has become a normalized like
you know, swinging a miss there people,

1563
01:41:21.880 --> 01:41:26.079
because we had this chance with like
we know Homer is not that great,

1564
01:41:26.359 --> 01:41:29.439
you know, he's he's a failure. Basically, it's like he's not

1565
01:41:29.560 --> 01:41:30.840
doing the right thing. But then
they throw moments out like you know,

1566
01:41:30.880 --> 01:41:34.239
they do it for her. When
he cuts back to it's got funny episode

1567
01:41:34.239 --> 01:41:38.680
and Maggie makes three and it cuts
to his because no photos of Maggie in

1568
01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:40.600
the in the album, right,
and it cuts to all the photos of

1569
01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:44.239
Maggie in front of his workstations he's
got because it says your heat, don't

1570
01:41:44.239 --> 01:41:45.760
forget your heat forever, and he's
blocked the letters, so that just says,

1571
01:41:45.800 --> 01:41:48.239
do it for her with photos of
Maggie. And you're like, fuck,

1572
01:41:48.279 --> 01:41:53.199
well, what are you confusing me? Because one minute he's an alcoholic,

1573
01:41:53.239 --> 01:41:55.279
next minute's doing this shit. You
know, I mean, there's writers

1574
01:41:55.359 --> 01:41:59.479
doing this to you. You understand
you're manipulating. It's a cartoon, right

1575
01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:03.640
right, right. Well, so
to enlighten me, where is Maggie at

1576
01:42:03.680 --> 01:42:09.840
this point in the Simpsons arc,
as in in what way? Like does

1577
01:42:09.920 --> 01:42:13.399
she exist? Well, she's she's
there getting baby seated by Laura. Okay,

1578
01:42:13.520 --> 01:42:15.680
because I barely remember seeing her at
all in this in this episode.

1579
01:42:15.720 --> 01:42:18.760
I think with these episodes, he
kind of didn't tend to focus on Maggie

1580
01:42:18.760 --> 01:42:24.880
because he wanted the craziness, right
Conan. Yeah, this is the more

1581
01:42:24.920 --> 01:42:28.319
granded Conan episode, but still you
had to have that wacky side plot.

1582
01:42:28.439 --> 01:42:30.920
But Maggie, there's so much you
can really do with Maggie. She just

1583
01:42:30.039 --> 01:42:34.039
has to sort of be a baby
on the floor. She's always like pulling

1584
01:42:34.119 --> 01:42:36.840
the plug out of the dam.
Yeah, you know, like she was

1585
01:42:36.920 --> 01:42:40.640
doing something. Yeah, but I
still to this day quote that they could

1586
01:42:40.680 --> 01:42:47.520
have been me. Still, I
still can't get past the beard of bees.

1587
01:42:48.159 --> 01:42:53.319
That just floored me. Man,
It's so funny my two favors that

1588
01:42:53.479 --> 01:42:59.439
could have been me and the sigh. Yeah that was good. Yeah.

1589
01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:01.960
Yeah. The visit to Grandpa is
a little We haven't talked about that at

1590
01:43:01.960 --> 01:43:05.000
all. That's an interesting one.
Yeah, he wants he wants the dirt.

1591
01:43:05.079 --> 01:43:08.680
He wants to figure out how to
do this. Bart's an operator.

1592
01:43:08.760 --> 01:43:11.720
Bart's not really a dirt bag.
Bart's Bart's is kind of a scumbag like

1593
01:43:11.800 --> 01:43:15.039
his father is. Well. Yeah, Bart's a good kid at heart.

1594
01:43:15.439 --> 01:43:17.800
He just does He's just not sort
of guided in the right way. He's

1595
01:43:17.800 --> 01:43:21.840
got a terrible sort of father figure. He's got terrible father figure. The

1596
01:43:21.920 --> 01:43:28.680
best. Yeah, I think that
Bart's good side is the desire to not

1597
01:43:29.199 --> 01:43:31.560
let his mother down. I don't
think it's from within. Yeah, I

1598
01:43:31.680 --> 01:43:39.199
think Bart Bart is probably on on
the bad tracks and like like Homer,

1599
01:43:39.359 --> 01:43:44.279
you know, and he missed,
he missed the smarts that Lisa has.

1600
01:43:44.560 --> 01:43:48.239
So you know, it can like
it's a little sad. The sentences is

1601
01:43:48.479 --> 01:43:54.079
a bit sad all the time,
but always sort of like pretty solid.

1602
01:43:56.239 --> 01:43:59.399
Yeah they try, they try,
but they're not in the overly eighty style.

1603
01:43:59.600 --> 01:44:10.079
No, no, not the good
times. Stir of bags told you

1604
01:44:10.159 --> 01:44:13.279
it was a fun chat. Honestly, how great was that? I know

1605
01:44:13.439 --> 01:44:15.920
we didn't necessarily talk about the Simpsons
all that much, but who cares.

1606
01:44:16.840 --> 01:44:20.880
We cover so many topics and it
was so weird. I'd never met Brendan

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before, but as you were just
sitting across me, hey, I'm just

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thinking there, I feel like I've
known this guy forever. We just connected

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on so many levels, and yeah, it was just an absolute, absolute

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delight to have him in the studio. So thank you Brendan for joining me,

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and of course thank you guys for
tuning into the show this week.

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I hope you did enjoy listening to
it as much as I did recording it

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with the man himself, Brendan B. Brent Off Wits. As I said

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at the start of this podcast,
there are still a few remaining dates for

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his solo accoustic tour with art from
Evercley. You find those dates and tickets

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available link for that is the description
of this podcast. And we just show

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be returning to Australia in April this
year for the Pandemonium Festival. I think

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there's four dates for that. Pre
sale tickets go on sale on January twenty

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second. I believe I'll chuck think
for that inscription of this podcast as well.

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But thank you all again for tuning
into this this week's episode of four

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Figured Discount. We shall be returning
to our normal programming next week where Guy

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Davis and I shall be reviewing the
Boys of Bummer from season eighteen. So

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the way there's going to be work
going forward is now we're going to do

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our season eighteen reviews of course,
plus we're going to be doing having more

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guests on the show too, just
to chat about some more classic reviews and

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just just have a bit of a
banter, just have some fun. Check

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things up a little bit here at
four Figure Discount, I forget check out

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all our other shows going down to
South Park, the one about Friends,

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the Office Talk podcast, and if
you can support us on Patreon you get

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talking Sign for Speaking of the Hill
tell us if you joun with the movie.

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Guys, we do so many podcasts
here at four figing a discount.

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I love doing it. I consider
myself incredibly lucky to be able to do

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this for a living. I do
not take it for granted. I do

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not take it for granted the fact
that you guys support us each and every

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week as well. So thank you
so much for continuing to support us here

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at four figure discount. I hope
you enjoyed my conversation here with Brendan B.

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Brown of Waitus. Next week is
The Boys of Bummer. But I

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am Dando signing off and I'll catch
you guys next week. Cheers, s