WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:11.160 Welcome friends and podcast podcasting. Don John back again. They're talking dove broomy 2 00:00:12.039 --> 00:00:22.600 now Marcus only no, get ready for something lethal. I'm surprised you haven't 3 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:25.199 heard about me. You know, I got a bad reputation and sometimes I 4 00:00:25.320 --> 00:00:33.119 just go nuts, like now, because the magic gone is back. Lethal 5 00:00:33.200 --> 00:00:41.719 weapon too, you go for some really first off me, fine, Hey, 6 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:46.880 you're not gonna make it. I'm gonna make you know. That's not 7 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:51.320 enough room. You were right, ye know, Hea, there wasn't enough 8 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:57.439 room lethal weapon to this time. They're not taking any cramp. He's get 9 00:00:57.479 --> 00:01:02.679 off me, man, I don't want anybody to see. It's like welcome 10 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:04.120 to a movie film commentary track. My name is Zaki has Sign. I'm 11 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:07.200 here with Brian Hall. Hey. How's it going, Zachi. Hey, 12 00:01:07.439 --> 00:01:11.599 it's it's you know, it's kind of it's a nice afternoon. It's nice 13 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:12.760 where I am. I don't know how it is where you are. Oh, 14 00:01:12.879 --> 00:01:17.439 It's it's beautiful here too. I mean the Santana winds have kicked in 15 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:21.120 a little bit, but otherwise it's blue skies as far as I can see. 16 00:01:21.560 --> 00:01:25.439 It's the kind of weather that makes you want to drive down the streets 17 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:30.079 of Los Angeles and have a camera overhead while you can hear our voice over 18 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:34.000 in the car where I'm like, I don't get it, Zachie, how 19 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:40.680 does money laundering work? Well, Brian, all I do know is that 20 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:45.439 those people will be meeting at the docks later tonight. Get there. Split 21 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:59.079 in case that little two person theater that we just put on wasn't clue enough, 22 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:04.400 We're gonna be watching Lethal Weapon two today. Man, I love this 23 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:08.520 series. I'm with you, and having done our commentary track for the first 24 00:02:08.599 --> 00:02:13.120 Lethal Weapon a couple of years ago, at that point I knew we would 25 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:15.680 be touching base periodically just so that we could we could talk through the further 26 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:21.800 adventures of Riggs and Murta mm hmmm. And this year being the thirty fifth 27 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:24.039 anniversary of Lethal Weapon two, I said, hey, Brian, let's uh 28 00:02:24.280 --> 00:02:28.120 come on, let's let's uh, let's get this one going here. And 29 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:30.879 I said, let's do it. I can't wait to talk through this movie 30 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:34.919 with you. Well, I hope all of you listening our game as well, 31 00:02:35.240 --> 00:02:37.680 And if you want to watch along with us, we'll take a short 32 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:40.319 break right now and let our sponsors do their thing while you get your copy 33 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:53.280 queued up, and after this we will talk through Lethal wepon two, and 34 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:55.919 we are back and ready to go. I'm cute, up, Brian Newquede 35 00:02:55.960 --> 00:03:01.360 up. I am. So we are watching the theatrical cut of Lethal Weapons 36 00:03:01.360 --> 00:03:07.039 two. There is a version which has labeled the director's cut, but the 37 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:09.319 director of the film, Richard Donner, does not consider that his director's cut. 38 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:13.759 He considers the version we are watching his version, and and Brian, 39 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:16.719 I am. I am loath to disagree with Dick Donner. I would, 40 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:23.000 I would never. So, so with that in mind, we're about to 41 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:24.120 start watching. If you want to watch along with us, we will hit 42 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:27.000 play on three, so I will go one, two, three play. 43 00:03:27.360 --> 00:03:30.520 And if you don't want to watch along with us, that's fine too. 44 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:34.280 We'll try to keep the conversation interesting enough to hopefully engage you while you're doing 45 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:38.680 whatever it is that you're doing. So Brian, ready, I'm ready? 46 00:03:39.280 --> 00:03:42.719 Now? Wait? Are we going on three? I was about to say 47 00:03:42.719 --> 00:03:46.000 this. It has never been there's never been more pressure than right now. 48 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:50.919 So we're gonna go. It's not three play, it's one, two, 49 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:55.080 three and play. I think that's right, right, I think well it 50 00:03:55.120 --> 00:04:00.520 has been for us yep, Nixon Mertza, I have their own method, 51 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.120 they got their own routine. Yeah, all right, so here we go 52 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:11.919 one, two, three play. Ah, I'm just settling in. Well, 53 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:15.000 let's really quickly. Actually, wait, I don't want to talk over 54 00:04:15.040 --> 00:04:20.079 this opening, which is so awesome, Like the way it's just like boom, 55 00:04:20.399 --> 00:04:24.680 you know what I mean, Like this movie just kicks right off and 56 00:04:24.759 --> 00:04:30.680 you have like Rigs screaming and pounding the rule. There's the title right there, 57 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:35.199 yep, and then w rooshes towards you on camera and then him you 58 00:04:35.240 --> 00:04:39.639 know, these tight shots on their faces and Rigs going nuts. I mean 59 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:42.120 you're like, whoa, okay, okay, okay, Like I wasn't prepared. 60 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:45.199 Let's go, let's go, We're doing this. I love this opening. 61 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:49.839 I mean I feel like this is one of the first examples of what's 62 00:04:50.000 --> 00:04:53.920 very common now where we just drop the title and right into the movie. 63 00:04:54.399 --> 00:04:58.759 Yeah. Sure, I mean, I'm not saying it's the first is I 64 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.959 think RoboCop did it for this, but I mean I feel like lethal weapons 65 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:09.120 sort of opened the floodgates. Yeah, it definitely related to that. Also, 66 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:13.800 I mean, these movies have like a real live wire energy to them, 67 00:05:13.879 --> 00:05:16.959 don't they like they just the way that everybody interacts with each other, 68 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:21.079 even just at the police station. The way that everyone sort of talks kind 69 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:26.600 of quickly and over one another. There's it's not like a nervous energy, 70 00:05:26.600 --> 00:05:33.600 but it does keep me sort of alert, right, Yeah, yeah, 71 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:38.480 well, I was gonna say real quick speaking to the director's commentaries you were 72 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:42.120 talking about. So that was just a result of sort of the DVD age, 73 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:46.399 right, the director's cut. Yeah, where it felt like studios were 74 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:48.000 like, well, the way we can get people to double dip to buy 75 00:05:48.519 --> 00:05:53.040 more than one DVD, this is this is this is hilarious. By the 76 00:05:53.040 --> 00:05:57.160 way. The the oh I didn't know about Murta's Murta and his wife. 77 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:02.079 That's you know, any something I said in the first commentary also, is 78 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:05.920 I love the culture that they create at the police station. Yeah, we're 79 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:09.720 like there and this one. They're very serious about their jobs, of course, 80 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:12.720 but in the first one, you know, we see them practicing singing 81 00:06:12.759 --> 00:06:16.319 their Christmas carols and they seem like this real sort of fraternity of Yeah, 82 00:06:16.319 --> 00:06:21.800 that's right, Sorry you're saying, yeah, No. The directors cut versions 83 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:26.759 of these films that were released were put out in the late nineties to tie 84 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:31.879 in with the release of of of Lethal Weapon four. And so this is 85 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:39.199 really like when VHS was still a thing. And and I've seen all three 86 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:43.360 of the director's cut editions of of Lethal one through three, and and none 87 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:48.759 of them adds anything that substantial, right, I think I think they're fine. 88 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:54.199 I think I've said before the Lethal Weapon the first film, there's a 89 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:58.720 scene where Riggs takes out a sniper at a school, which, if there 90 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:00.959 was one thing I would have left in my have been that. But I 91 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:06.759 think Lethal too, specifically, nothing of real value is lost. Yeah, 92 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:10.480 yeah, no, I was reading about what those scenes were, and they 93 00:07:10.600 --> 00:07:13.879 I'm sure they're kind of humorous. But I was appreciating the editing of this 94 00:07:14.000 --> 00:07:15.839 movie as I was watching it. I mean, it's really a lot of 95 00:07:15.839 --> 00:07:20.759 the things that feel like gags are really set ups for later payoffs. And 96 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:27.120 that's right, it's really tightly constructed. Yeah, I think to your point, 97 00:07:27.399 --> 00:07:30.560 the way we just come right in on Riggs and Murtau in the middle 98 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:36.959 of another adventure, it really highlights where, you know, number one, 99 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:42.560 like the comfort level of the filmmakers to pick up a few years later. 100 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:46.040 But also I mean, it indicates how audience has probably felt at the end 101 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:47.720 of the first film, where it's like, you know, I want to 102 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:53.680 hang out with these guys again. You know, they had a choice in 103 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:58.319 the story construction of the first one to have Riggs and Murta remain as a 104 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:01.079 partnership or to have them go their separate ways. Very smartly, they had 105 00:08:01.600 --> 00:08:05.519 they end with with Riggs joining you know, the family for Christmas dinner, 106 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:11.040 and I think to some extent, you know, the audience sort of took 107 00:08:11.079 --> 00:08:13.639 on these characters as like, yeah, they're part of our family too, 108 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:16.800 you know. Mm hmm. Oh. And something I don't want to forget 109 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:20.839 is when it opens also with the Warner Brothers logo, there's that weird sort 110 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:24.560 of like Looney Tunes, that's right, the musical thing at the beginning of 111 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:28.199 the boo kind of thing, which is a really I mean, that's a 112 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:33.519 real choice at the beginning of your R rated you know, violence cop action 113 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:37.440 film. You know, But doesn't that just kind of sum it up going 114 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:43.519 into this like hard action sequence next, Like that's the weird balance this these 115 00:08:43.559 --> 00:08:48.919 movies carry right here. This is one of the funniest gags in all of 116 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:52.639 the movies where where Rod is trying to get him to pull away from the 117 00:08:52.720 --> 00:08:58.480 curb and then Riggs is like, oh god, damn it, you were 118 00:08:58.559 --> 00:09:05.639 right right. The look on Murta's face so funny. But isn't that a 119 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:09.919 great texture too? They don't like hang a hat on it, but it's 120 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:13.120 he's driving the family's new car, you know what I mean. So, 121 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:18.120 and it keeps getting wrecked throughout the movie. You know, it's a funny 122 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.759 a big big deal out of it. It's just is a funny little side 123 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:26.200 business. I also think it's it's kind of neat how the film, uh 124 00:09:26.279 --> 00:09:31.519 does a good job of introducing the other cop characters, yes, and and 125 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:35.039 that so that like later on as as the events play out, you know, 126 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:39.200 it actually means something. You could identify them. So yeah, when 127 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:48.440 they we eventually lose them later exactly something. Yeah. So the pretty much 128 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:52.279 as soon as the first movie came out, Warner Brothers went to Richard Donner 129 00:09:52.320 --> 00:09:54.480 and Joel Silver and was like, hey, you gotta you gotta do a 130 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:58.840 sequel, you know, and uh, Joel Silver first went to Shane Black, 131 00:09:58.879 --> 00:10:03.559 and understandably he of course created the thing. He wrote the first film, 132 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:09.639 and they wanted him to write the sequel, and and even though what 133 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:13.799 he wrote is like the provides the framework for this, it's pretty far afield 134 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:18.360 from his original intentions. M Yeah, there was a scene in there that 135 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:22.080 I read where like a helicopter filled with cocaine explodes and it rains down over 136 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:26.639 La like snow, all the cocaine. It's very different. Yeah, and 137 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:33.759 that that mirror is something he wanted to do in the first film that he 138 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:35.559 wasn't able to do to the same extent. So it's just he he really 139 00:10:35.639 --> 00:10:41.399 had to bug up his butt about about having having cocaine rained down on Los 140 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:43.440 Angeles. You know what, though, it being the eighties, I can 141 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:46.240 imagine you landing on that idea and being like, it's gold, Jerry, 142 00:10:46.279 --> 00:10:52.399 it's gold. It's got to go somewhere. It's funny because oh there there's 143 00:10:52.440 --> 00:11:05.080 the origin of the go on three. Yeah, this guy's mandrake. See. 144 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:11.360 The great thing about their banter throughout is you can imagine that a lot 145 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:18.240 of it is just them riffing, you know, And I think you know, 146 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:22.240 the the version that they filmed is written by Jeffrey Bohm, and I 147 00:11:22.240 --> 00:11:28.000 haven't seen the shooting script, but I would love to note just like where 148 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:31.399 does the script end and where does them riffing begin? You know? Yeah, 149 00:11:31.440 --> 00:11:35.559 reading interviews with Boom, it sounds like yeah, I mean Donner was 150 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:39.039 really open to improvisation and then being like, okay, well this has changed 151 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:48.039 now because they said that, so help constant rewriting. That's also interesting, 152 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:50.720 right. So the script that Shane Black wrote it was called Play Dirty, 153 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:58.919 and it was much darker and it ended with Riggs sacrificing himself to save Murta, 154 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:05.120 his family and the studio, like right out the shoot was like no, 155 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:07.039 you're not you're not doing that. But like, you know, even 156 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:13.200 even Joel Silver didn't like that. Richard Donnard didn't like that. And and 157 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.600 after they told him, they told Shane Black, hey, we're gonna you 158 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:22.879 know, we this needs more work. He was so distraught, he was 159 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:24.759 he told his agent, He's like, just tell him, I'm going to 160 00:12:24.799 --> 00:12:28.480 give him the money back, like one hundred grand yep. His agent had 161 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.840 to talk him off the ledge basically like no, you keep the money, 162 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:43.600 stupid. Yeah, with a buddy of his right, author, a buddy 163 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:48.799 of his Yeah, that's right, the guy who created Remo Williams. Yes, 164 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:56.960 yeah, I forget the guy's name, Warren something so so Dean Norris 165 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.559 right here. I had to look it up. You know how old he 166 00:12:58.600 --> 00:13:01.240 is in this movie? Oh my gosh, how old? Twenty five? 167 00:13:01.960 --> 00:13:11.440 What? Wow? Oh my god. I would have never I would have 168 00:13:11.480 --> 00:13:16.240 liked re bet that. I ever, it's a mid thirties maybe, right, 169 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:20.159 Yeah, yeah. I was just talking about this with someone, you 170 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:22.720 know, watching older movies, and it just feels like what I watched The 171 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:26.440 Big Chill for the first time this past week. Oh sure, sure, 172 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:28.600 yeah, And I was saying that, I mean, obviously I got it, 173 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:33.799 but I was like, I don't exactly understand how old they are because 174 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:37.279 they look a lot older than I think they're supposed to be, just due 175 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:41.879 to the way, you know, haircuts and dress style and everything in the 176 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:46.480 eighties. But yeah, yeah, there's a oh yeah, good, Sorry, 177 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:50.480 no, no, I I I I think I think to your point 178 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:54.080 about Dean Norris, it like I've known him for decades because of this film. 179 00:13:54.080 --> 00:13:58.360 So it's been kind of nice to see the the Dinoissance, if you 180 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:01.240 will, lately because of Hang On, Breaking Bad. You know, I 181 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:05.559 was gonna say, most people these days know him as Hank Schrader from Breaking 182 00:14:05.600 --> 00:14:07.360 Bad, but I looked it up because I was curious. But yeah, 183 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:11.159 he's been in one hundred and seventy five roles. Yeah, yeah, one 184 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:15.000 hundred and seventy five roles. He's the he's the swat leader in T two, 185 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:18.240 you know, and the majority of which probably cops. I was gonna 186 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:20.480 say, oh, yeah, he's like swat leader and T two he's swat 187 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:24.399 leader. In Gremlins two, he's he's in total recall. He's all over 188 00:14:24.440 --> 00:14:28.879 the place. So I mean, he's he's really been on fire. Maybe 189 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:31.240 not in the public's consciousness, but he's been on fire, acting wise forever. 190 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:35.879 It's funny that that he's in Gremlins too, because Jonathan Banks is in 191 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:41.320 the first Gremlins. Oh that's right, all right, he's the he's the 192 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:45.279 deputy. Yeah. By the way, we got grand l Bush uh in 193 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:50.840 and as as Collins, the police officer there, well he's off screen now, 194 00:14:50.919 --> 00:14:54.559 but he's Grandel Bush is also in the first Lethal Weapon, but he 195 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:58.159 plays a different cop. Oh funny, And that fascinates me because I'm like, 196 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:01.759 why don't you just have but be the same guy? You guys, 197 00:15:01.919 --> 00:15:07.200 like, does it matter at all? Right? I don't recall what happens 198 00:15:07.200 --> 00:15:09.240 to his character in the first movie. I mean, is there something they 199 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:13.320 needed to differentiate or there's nothing significant. He's the guy who in the beginning 200 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:18.519 when Roger he shaved his beard and he tells rog oh something, I think 201 00:15:18.559 --> 00:15:22.480 you looked younger with the beard, Like that's like his one. Wow, 202 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:26.559 it's so weird, weird, right, Yeah, No, I was gonna 203 00:15:26.559 --> 00:15:30.639 say, there's this meme going around right now where it has a picture of 204 00:15:30.759 --> 00:15:33.799 Steve Martin and Diane Keaton from Father of the Bride, and it's like, 205 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:37.960 you know, this is what like a forty five year old used to look 206 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:41.879 like or something like that. Yeah, And it's amazing because you look at 207 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:48.639 it and you go, oh wow, they look like fifty five. Yeah, 208 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:52.480 so Letho Weapon two. You know, this is something specific about the 209 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:56.840 Lethal series that I love is it's a family on screen, it's also a 210 00:15:56.840 --> 00:16:02.039 family off screen. And I think there's this remarkable consistency for all four movies. 211 00:16:03.039 --> 00:16:06.360 Oh yeah, right, and up to you know, obviously, you 212 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:11.240 know, Michael came in doing the score, and you know, you know, 213 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:14.799 Richard Donnald obviously directing, but like even stuff like up here you know, 214 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:19.559 you have Jack McGee playing the handyman McGee, and he just he becomes 215 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:22.159 part of the troop. He shows up in the rest of the movies. 216 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:26.159 M I mean that, you know, yeah, yeah, no, go 217 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:30.559 ahead, I was gonna say, it's fitting. Yeah that part four supposedly 218 00:16:30.559 --> 00:16:33.759 the ending ends with like a family album. That's right, right, I 219 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:37.200 mean, that's really the feel that you get through these movies. And I 220 00:16:37.240 --> 00:16:42.320 think it's cool that there has been a single well there's been different screenwriters, 221 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:47.519 but I mean having the directorial author be the same throughout. I really think 222 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:51.600 the series benefits from that, and you feel it. That's yeah. I 223 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:57.960 think that obviously this whole joint wouldn't exist without Shane Black. But I think 224 00:16:59.080 --> 00:17:04.480 if anybody it became sort of the guiding light, it was Richard Donner. 225 00:17:06.839 --> 00:17:10.400 And you can tell how personal this series was to him that he up until 226 00:17:10.440 --> 00:17:11.440 his death he was like, I want to come back on and do one 227 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:17.880 more lethal weapon. Yeah, you can you can tell it meant a lot 228 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:21.519 to him. And and this this is you know, this is a conversation 229 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:23.519 that you and I have had where I'm like, you know, I know 230 00:17:23.599 --> 00:17:26.240 he wanted to do a fifth one but now that he's gone, maybe you 231 00:17:26.279 --> 00:17:30.880 know, maybe it's time to just close the book, you know, I 232 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:33.720 think so, I think so. But you speaking of the family aspect of 233 00:17:33.759 --> 00:17:37.079 it all, I mean, you can understand why he'd want to go back. 234 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.440 It's like a family reunion. From a family reunion, yep. I 235 00:17:41.519 --> 00:17:45.400 should note Tales on the Crypt, Tales from the Crypt on the TV there, 236 00:17:45.720 --> 00:17:51.640 which was executive produced by Richard Donner along with Robert Zemeckis, Walter Hill, 237 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:56.000 Joel Silver. Yeah, that was for a minute there, that was 238 00:17:56.119 --> 00:18:00.960 quite the hype machine for like high profile like that was like that was HBO, 239 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.079 right, mm hmmmm. I feel like that was one of their first 240 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:07.240 big like kind of like ooh, this isn't what you get on network TV 241 00:18:07.480 --> 00:18:11.279 type shows, you know that, And it hit the culture like you knew 242 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:15.920 the coft keeper, right. I wonder if when she hit him, when 243 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:18.960 she hit Rigs in the face right there, if that was like just a 244 00:18:18.000 --> 00:18:22.759 good too, like an accident. It looks very uh natural and accidentally yeah, 245 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:27.240 right, but it adds adds to this sort of like bustling family energy 246 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:33.400 that it was, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Now, first, have 247 00:18:33.400 --> 00:18:36.680 you ever seen a condom commercial? On TV. I don't know if I 248 00:18:36.720 --> 00:18:41.920 have I don't know, but I think I've said on another episode that I 249 00:18:41.960 --> 00:18:47.440 do remember a vibrator commercial that they kept playing over and over during Mercia on 250 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:51.640 thirty fourth Street on Christmas Eve while I was watching Sam, I remember that. 251 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:55.000 Wow, okay, it's never never mind that by the way, that 252 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:57.039 the condom come, it's a real condom cover. They paid ten grand for 253 00:18:57.119 --> 00:19:00.880 that commercial to be in this movie. So wow, really product placement? 254 00:19:00.960 --> 00:19:06.279 Yeah, why not? That's what got you, you know, the still 255 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:11.440 to house being able to call that movie? Yes, thank you Ramsey. 256 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:18.400 Yes, that's hilarious. Roger's reaction is so funny. But I'm always like, 257 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:22.920 like, how does like did they deliberately not tell him? Did they 258 00:19:22.920 --> 00:19:26.920 think he wouldn't find out that it was a condom commercial? I know, 259 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:30.519 I know, I know, I know. You think it's something that she 260 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:33.240 would keep a secret from him and he would discover late night by himself and 261 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:38.119 like trash you know. Oh, by the way, the McGee there where 262 00:19:38.119 --> 00:19:41.359 he so I made me want to go out and buy rubbers, Like he 263 00:19:41.440 --> 00:19:44.640 just improvised that and everybody busted out. So they just left it in. 264 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:47.480 I you know, it's funny. I noticed he was in the back with 265 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:49.039 the crowd, and I thought that was funny. And then I love that 266 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:52.839 one by one day I'll leave, but he's the last one that remains. 267 00:19:55.319 --> 00:20:00.599 I thought it was great. That's a really funny idea. Yeah, and 268 00:20:00.640 --> 00:20:03.240 I love how to deegrate it into the family. He is here, you 269 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:07.799 know, I was about to say, for Riggs, like where he is 270 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:11.200 at the start of this movie versus where he was at the start of the 271 00:20:11.279 --> 00:20:15.079 last one. It's such a great progression of his character. Yeah, comforting 272 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:18.440 her boyfriend, speaking on behalf of the family, you know, like one 273 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:21.000 of them on the couch. It's I don't know. I love it. 274 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:26.279 I love the feeling. Yeah. And his his mullet is less like insane 275 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:30.759 in this one. Yeah. Actually, oh, let me crreck myself. 276 00:20:30.839 --> 00:20:33.279 It's not a mullet in the first one. It's a mullet in this one. 277 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:36.680 Sure. It's weird though it kind of works on his head. Or 278 00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:37.920 maybe I'm just used to it. I don't know if I looked at it 279 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:41.680 for the first time this year, if i'd feel differently, But I'm like 280 00:20:41.880 --> 00:20:48.839 that kind of works. It's a little Maine, so Mark Rolston over here 281 00:20:48.720 --> 00:20:52.880 as as Hans, and then of course Jeanette Goldstein is in the film as 282 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:57.160 well, so we have a little aliens reunion. Yeah. Oh, that's 283 00:20:57.200 --> 00:21:03.759 funny. I didn't think about that that both of them, Drake and Vasquez. 284 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:14.480 Yeah, John Connor's foster mom. Yeah, that's right. So this 285 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:19.240 movie was the number three movie of the year in nineteen eighty nine. Yeah, 286 00:21:19.480 --> 00:21:22.319 I dug into this. I was kind of fascinated just by the year 287 00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:26.160 nineteen eighty nine, because I think we spoke about it recently, didn't we 288 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:29.359 in our last episode. Yeah, like what a fairly certain banner year it 289 00:21:29.440 --> 00:21:32.960 was. And I mean, yeah, this made a ton of money. 290 00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:36.559 The budget was twenty eight million and made one hundred and forty seven million in 291 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:41.839 the US and two hundred and twenty seven million worldwide. And the top movies 292 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:45.440 of nineteen eighty nine that year were Batman at two hundred and fifty one million, 293 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:48.400 Indiana Jones, The Last Crusade one ninety seven, and Lethal Weapon one 294 00:21:48.519 --> 00:21:52.240 forty seven top three. And this is this is a year we're in the 295 00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.279 top ten box office of the year. You could also have movies like Dead 296 00:21:56.279 --> 00:22:00.640 Poet, Society, Parenthood, and Rayneman to the year. It's amazing. 297 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:06.799 But like, listen to this summer lineup too. This is everything that came 298 00:22:06.839 --> 00:22:08.880 out that summer. So you have Last Crusade, like I said, Batman, 299 00:22:10.200 --> 00:22:12.240 Honey, I shrunk the Kids, Ghostbusters to Do the Right Thing, 300 00:22:12.359 --> 00:22:18.079 Dead Poet, Society, Weekend at Bernie's, when Harry met Sally, Parenthood, 301 00:22:18.119 --> 00:22:22.559 the Abyss uncle Buck Roadhouse. Like all these movies, we at least 302 00:22:22.599 --> 00:22:25.799 remember to this thing, you know, I mean a large number of them. 303 00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:30.279 And feel the Dreams came out a month earlier, you know. Wow, 304 00:22:30.839 --> 00:22:36.680 stock it's stacked, stacked. So this scene right here one of my 305 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:40.720 favorites in the whole series. This is great, yep. Right, Like, 306 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:45.359 so we have Rigs the pen stirs his recollection of the night his wife 307 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:51.680 died. But look at look at how Gibson plays it. Yeah right, 308 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:57.880 it's it's he's playing through the pain, you know, m hm. Yep. 309 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:03.079 And he does have this live wire energy in all of his moments where 310 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:07.720 he just feels like he's bottling something in at all times. Yep. You 311 00:23:07.759 --> 00:23:11.000 know, which is it's sometimes it's uncomfortable to watch, but that's the character, 312 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:15.039 you know. Yeah, I mean with this scene in particular, right, 313 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:18.799 it's you get the sense it's the first time he's ever talked about it 314 00:23:18.839 --> 00:23:23.039 with Trish, and and yet he's so he's so comfortable in the household. 315 00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:26.680 He's there, he's making he's making chili. Mm hmm. He does his 316 00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:30.400 laundry there, yep, you know ye. And it's a it's a great 317 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:34.920 little story, you know, like it's a reminder of because now we're seeing 318 00:23:34.960 --> 00:23:38.200 him start off the movie going whooo, you know, but in the first 319 00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:42.640 one he's a broken, suicidal man, and it's nice to be reminded that 320 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:48.160 he's multifaceted, you know, like he's still harboring a lot of pain, 321 00:23:48.640 --> 00:23:52.880 and we it's important to this story. Also, Yeah, I think I 322 00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:56.400 think that's sort of the interesting thing because because you know, when we think 323 00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:00.039 of him as a lethal weapon, well that's really only applicable to the first 324 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:03.799 movie. Sure, right, So I was thinking about how, oh, 325 00:24:03.839 --> 00:24:08.240 by the way, right there, I guess he can't see it, but 326 00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:15.720 he's he he crushes Oreos to put in the chili. I last night was 327 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:18.240 like, what is he doing there? Like what what are they? Right? 328 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:21.880 And then when he mentions it later, Yeah, I was like, 329 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:25.640 wait, wait, waitit so he was crumbling oreos earlier into the chip and 330 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:29.359 then I googled it. There are recipes for this, did you know me? 331 00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:33.200 I had no idea. I had no idea. There are recipes for 332 00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:37.200 oreos in Chili. I had no idea. I don't know how popular of 333 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:40.880 a thing this is, but it is out there. I don't know if 334 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:44.599 it's made a movie and people capitalized on it or I don't. I'd be 335 00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:48.839 very curious for people to tell us, because I'm half tempted to try it. 336 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:53.759 But I see. I like how when rog comes in, you know, 337 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:57.119 it's kind of this look exchange between Rigs and Trish like he hasn't even 338 00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:00.759 really told Roj about what happened when Vicki died. And I love that he 339 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:06.319 has that. But with her, he has that trust the relationship and she, 340 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:07.119 you know, she doesn't do a lot in that scene. She's just 341 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:11.119 doing a lot of listening. But Darlene Love is like, oh what she's 342 00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:15.160 doing with her face? It's I love that this movie can have that. 343 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:21.359 That's what makes these movies so special. I agree, Yeah, yeah, 344 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:23.039 I mean yeah, yeah, sorry yeah, good no? No, you 345 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:26.599 first, please, well, I was just just to finish the thought earlier, 346 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.279 like the fact that Shane Black was gonna call the sequel something else. 347 00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:33.839 You can see where his head was at. He's like, well, no, 348 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.079 because the first one is about the lethal weapon. Yeah, sure, 349 00:25:37.240 --> 00:25:41.759 sure, right, but like lethal weapon came to mean something else. It's 350 00:25:41.799 --> 00:25:44.240 no, it's Rigs and Murta. They are the lethal weapon, you know. 351 00:25:45.119 --> 00:25:48.519 Yeah, right, Sorry you were saying no. I was just gonna 352 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:53.000 say that that sweet scene with Rigs and the dog at the beach and he 353 00:25:53.039 --> 00:25:55.839 says something, you know, looking at the ocean, he goes, all 354 00:25:55.920 --> 00:26:00.359 this can be will be yours someday, And I was like, where does 355 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:03.400 that come from? That expression? Because I always associate it with the Lion 356 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:07.960 King, you know, oh, all this will be yours everything the light 357 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:11.359 touches, and I say it all the time jokingly to people, and then 358 00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:14.680 hearing him say in this movie, it made me just think, like I 359 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:17.839 want I tried googling it. I couldn't get a clear answer, but I 360 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:19.440 don't know, I just wanted to point that out. Maybe maybe it started 361 00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:26.400 here. Maybe I would love that. So the villains in this film, 362 00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:32.119 which you know, the the the apartheid state, of South Africa, which 363 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:37.359 is no longer in place now and and some would say lead the Weapon two 364 00:26:37.359 --> 00:26:41.960 played a role in bringing down apartheid in South Africa? Is that true? 365 00:26:42.880 --> 00:26:47.680 Shining such a light on it for maybe yeah? Yeah, yeah. And 366 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:49.480 the I mean the ironic thing, and this is something we talked about in 367 00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:55.119 our previous track, is you know there were there was signage throughout the mrtaw 368 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:56.920 House in the first movie that talked about, you know, free South Africa, 369 00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:03.400 and they got hate mail from I guess the right people, the people 370 00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:06.480 making the movie, and they were like, you know what we should do. 371 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:11.920 We should make you know, apartheid the enemy and Letho Weapon two. 372 00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:15.160 Yeah. And then the thought I had was, and I've seen this movie 373 00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.240 a million times since it came out, but I'm like, if this movie 374 00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:19.880 were made today, you know, I'd be like, oh, lethal Weapon 375 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:26.079 went woke. Yeah it's true, right, Like that's the internet conversation that 376 00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:29.880 would be going on. Yeah, you know, I did cross my mind 377 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:33.640 watching this that they're almost you almost get these modern like Indiana Jones and the 378 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.960 Nazis, Like we sort of get these sort of Nazi like villains in here. 379 00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.720 We were like, I don't know, take them out. I don't 380 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:45.720 care, right, right exactly? Yeah, you know, yeah, when 381 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.759 you think about a Jeffrey Boham, he had kind of a nice summer because 382 00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:56.279 he wrote Indy three and this unbelievable, right, Yeah, you know he's 383 00:27:56.400 --> 00:28:00.240 he's a name. I know, I would say largely because of the Indieanna 384 00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:03.880 Jones poster, like, yeah, you know, I'm sure I credit on 385 00:28:03.920 --> 00:28:07.759 there, but I went and read about him a little bit, and I 386 00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:11.559 mean, yeah, he wrote Inner Space, did heavy revisions on Lost Boys, 387 00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:15.440 turning it into what it ultimately became, Last Crusade this like, and 388 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:22.119 then he died tragically early at fifty three, far too young. Yeah, 389 00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:26.880 he wrote he wrote the third Lead the Weapon also yeah, right right, 390 00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:33.680 and the Dead Zone? Have you seen the Dead Zone? I haven't. 391 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.640 I feel like we started watching that like a while ago. Right. I 392 00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:41.440 wasn't sure if you were leading me to the fact that you bought me because 393 00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:45.000 they obviously it's a film with Christopher Walking, but it was also, oh, 394 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.240 I forgot about the TV show. Yeah, it was a TV show. 395 00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:49.599 I meant them. I wasn't leading you towards that. I meant the 396 00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:53.400 movie, the Christopher Walking movie I have not seen it, though I've seen 397 00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:57.480 the SNL sketch. Yes, I saw that first. I saw that like 398 00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:03.079 ten years before I saw the movie. Yeah. Yeah, no. And 399 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:07.960 the reason I mentioned the series with trepidation is because Zachi bought me the DVD 400 00:29:07.119 --> 00:29:10.839 set of I forgot about that. You need to watch this, and it's 401 00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:18.400 something I sadly have not. Hey at this point, it's available in a 402 00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:22.559 lot of ways. It was a good show. It starred Anthony Michael Hall, 403 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:27.319 right right, So this scene here, so again we talk about sort 404 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:33.640 of the family dynamic, uh, you know on on screen and off well, 405 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.799 Steve Kahn is a representation of both because he's in all the movies. 406 00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.079 He's also Richard Donner's cousin. But I was as I was rewatching this and 407 00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:44.799 again I watched these all the time, but I'm like, I love Captain 408 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.279 Murphy. He's so cool. He's great. I mean, he's sort of 409 00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:55.440 that haggard captain, but not the like screamy one that we see sort of 410 00:29:55.440 --> 00:29:57.920 like parodied full yes, Last Action Hero, you know what I mean, 411 00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:02.680 Like it's exactly I love it. It's a little more subtle, but it's 412 00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:10.000 still haggard. I think you would say, you'd say long suffering. Yeah, 413 00:30:10.079 --> 00:30:12.359 right, by the way. But yeah, yeah, you know he 414 00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:17.880 he has this sort of understanding like these guys are my best guys. I'm 415 00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:22.160 gonna put up with their crap, you know. Yep, yeah, I 416 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:23.759 was just gonna say that. You know, I've mentioned this, I'm sure 417 00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:27.200 on the first one. But many, many years ago, we were developing 418 00:30:27.480 --> 00:30:33.079 a TV show about buddy cops called Sucker Punch and Leroy, and we actually 419 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:40.240 met with Steve Kahan to play their captain and we had lunch and he was 420 00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:42.000 he was into it. He loved it, he liked us. He busted 421 00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.680 my chops. I got I didn't I got my chops busted by Steve Kahan. 422 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:51.480 Man. Uh, it's a It's a one of my amazing favorite Hollywood 423 00:30:51.519 --> 00:30:57.200 memories for sure. That's awesome. Yeah, so Leo Gatz obviously one of 424 00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:04.079 the most iconic parts of this whole franchise. Yeah, sometimes I forget he's 425 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.599 introduced so early. I think of him like in three where he's like really 426 00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:12.880 like like a like a third main character. Yes, well, that's kind 427 00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:17.680 of the funny thing, is is I have said before about this here, 428 00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:19.680 it's like the Bremen Town Musicians. With each movie, they just add new 429 00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:23.920 cast members and they've just become part of the troop. And and definitely like 430 00:31:25.079 --> 00:31:29.640 the chemistry with the between the three of them is so like right here, 431 00:31:29.720 --> 00:31:33.079 right from the start. It's like if he hadn't been in the other ones, 432 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.599 you'd be like, oh, you know, like you'd miss out. 433 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:42.440 Yeah, no, he's great now. The first choice for for Leo was 434 00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:48.400 Joey Pants. They wanted Joe Pantaliano. You can totally picture that it'd be 435 00:31:48.440 --> 00:31:52.200 a little different though. There's something about Peshi's size, you know, that 436 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:55.960 allows them to sort of push him around a little bit, and you can 437 00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:01.160 imagine the you know, Panteleiano being a little bit more. He look an 438 00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:05.240 eye to eye like he'd be irritating, but he'd also you know what I 439 00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:07.559 mean, like they couldn't bully him in the same way. Well, I'm 440 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.720 sure the thinking well, i mean, Dick Donner worked with Joey Pants on 441 00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:14.799 the Goonies, right, so I'm sure, Ah, I didn't even think 442 00:32:14.799 --> 00:32:17.000 about that, You're right, That's probably why he thought of him. Joey 443 00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:21.279 Pants turned it down. He was doing something else. So it came and 444 00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:23.359 and Danny DeVito is somebody else they thought of, which I can totally see 445 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:30.519 that too, And yet I'm so glad the right person got the role. 446 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:37.400 Right me too, No, it's perfect. What a crazy stunt this is, 447 00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.400 right flying out the hotel window. I mean, ah, it looks 448 00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:45.599 so dangerous, crazy, probably flights. Did those guys jump out of that 449 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:52.039 window land in that swimming pool? It's crazy, and you know, there's 450 00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:54.680 just there's something about it, like I think that's just this film in general. 451 00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:59.119 I mean it is a summer blockbuster. And obviously we're watching this in 452 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:02.200 the you know it posts a blue skybeam, you know, but it is 453 00:33:02.240 --> 00:33:08.559 so grounded and like somewhat believable. You know, there's not Cootolli by the 454 00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:10.880 way in the background. Yep, right, I saw it. Yeah, 455 00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:22.119 and this is just a year after die Hard, so whoa huh. I 456 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:27.240 don't know if I've fixed that into my brain. That's interesting. Wow. 457 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:32.480 Yeah, No, I really love this on the ground action. You know, 458 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:37.319 it's I mean, you get into die Hard four where you can sort 459 00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:40.680 of manipulate things a little bit more, you know, with computers, and 460 00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:46.640 you got cars flying into helicopters, which it looks cool in some ways, 461 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:50.799 and that movie isn't well, it's the Hairer Jet is the worst offender, 462 00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:53.160 I would say in that where yes, surfing a Hairer Jet, but like 463 00:33:54.039 --> 00:34:00.119 it's really nice to go back to these smaller stunts, but they feel so 464 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:04.880 much more dangerous and visceral and like our characters are in peril, and I, 465 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.440 I don't know, they make me grip my arm and my couch differently, 466 00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:14.360 Yeah, I agree with that, and I think that's I mean, 467 00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:15.679 with the with the Lethal Weapon movies, I always say that, like if 468 00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:20.679 you watch them back to back to back, then it's sort of the decibels 469 00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.719 start going up slowly because certainly by the end, right, I mean, 470 00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:30.000 the last one is I mean, it's it's it's like My Dinner with Andrea 471 00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:35.320 compared with modern uh blockbusters, right right, right right, But compared to 472 00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:38.400 the first Lethal Weapon, it's quite a bit. It's a lot more you 473 00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:43.559 know, a lot more, a lot more yeah, riffing and puns, 474 00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:47.719 and which is something that Shane Black has you know, been on the record 475 00:34:47.719 --> 00:34:52.840 complaining about as he feels like they lean too much into the comedy as they 476 00:34:52.079 --> 00:34:57.800 continue tohead and this one is much more of a comedy than the first one, 477 00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.400 oh much. It's and I think it's hilarious. I mean, that's 478 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:05.079 the thing. It's funny. I was I was watching I was watching the 479 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.519 the Ciskel and Ebert review of Lethal two, and Roger Ebert was just over 480 00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:13.239 the moon about this. He he absolutely loved it, and he loved the 481 00:35:13.239 --> 00:35:15.159 first one too. Geene Siskel was like, I liked everything, but the 482 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:24.480 riffing and stuff between the two guys, Well, buckle up. And that's 483 00:35:24.599 --> 00:35:28.360 that's funny to me because I'm like, that's the stuff I like the most, 484 00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.559 you know, And I think, honestly, I think that's what audiences 485 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.280 liked. Like that's why we got two more of these, you know. 486 00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:40.880 Like I think the suicidal ideation that is an important part of the first movie, 487 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:45.159 But I don't think you could make that a runner for all four movies. 488 00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:47.079 I just don't think. I don't think people want to watch that, 489 00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.400 you know. No, I agree, And to me, I like all 490 00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:53.960 of them, all four of them. But I do feel like this is 491 00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:59.159 where they nailed it, oh absolutely, without without a doubt. Yeah, 492 00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.519 like they found these movies. We can talk about it a little bit more 493 00:36:01.599 --> 00:36:07.079 later, but I forget how surprisingly dark they can get too, Like the 494 00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:15.000 violence is unpleasant at times, which is a funny mixture with this chumminess and 495 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:19.440 the joking. But I feel like this movie, especially Part two, found 496 00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:25.159 that perfect balance of comedy and riffing and fun but like real darkness as well. 497 00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:29.519 And I've always I mean, this has always been one of my favorites 498 00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:31.519 in the series. Yeah, No, I well, and I would go 499 00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:35.519 beyond that. I would say I think this is one of the best Part 500 00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:38.840 two's ever made. Yeah, for sure. They took what worked about the 501 00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:43.360 first one and found the best way to do it again, learning from the 502 00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:49.159 first one but not changing what it is, right, Yeah, I think 503 00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:52.960 that's really crucial. And I think, honestly, I think Donner's instincts were 504 00:36:52.719 --> 00:37:00.159 on point when he moved away from Shane Black's conception of the sequel. I 505 00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:01.679 think it's sort of it's an interesting thing about how you know, like we 506 00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:06.159 were saying, the screenwriter originates the thing, but at some point you sort 507 00:37:06.159 --> 00:37:09.800 of let go of it and it becomes it belongs to the world, right, 508 00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:14.400 Yeah, sure, And that's hard, that's I mean, I can 509 00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:16.079 imagine that would have been hard for somebody like Shane Black, but it's it's 510 00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:21.719 a recognition where I think his sense of like, oh, this story has 511 00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:25.239 to end with Riggs making this heroic sacrifice. It's like, I don't know, 512 00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:30.199 I just I don't think that's what audiences would have wanted, right, 513 00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:34.199 Yeah, And I can picture that version. But it's like you also have 514 00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.920 to listen to the movie. I mean in the movie, I mean, 515 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:42.719 you cast these people and they inhabit the characters, they become these characters, 516 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.760 and then they have some sort of like chemistry you couldn't have been visioned on 517 00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:49.519 the page, and you have to listen to that and let it, let 518 00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.519 that breathe and evolve into what it what it is going to be or what 519 00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:57.320 it can be. Absolutely, but we just talked right past. But I 520 00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.119 find that so funny where Rigs is like we're black. Cut, You're We're 521 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:06.280 back, You're black. I'm mad, Like let's go. Yeah, that's 522 00:38:06.360 --> 00:38:10.800 like the elevator pitch for Movie one, you know, right, Like I 523 00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:14.559 say, it feels like a perfect trailer. It may be in the trailer, 524 00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:15.800 but it just feels, oh, I'm you know, I'm I'm one 525 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:20.000 hundred percent certain it's in the trailer. Yeah. By the way, speaking 526 00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:22.840 of cut scenes, there was a scene before this where they were looking for 527 00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:28.800 the house on still Yep and Peshi was having a hard time remembering it and 528 00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:30.559 so it was you know what I mean, you can you can see why 529 00:38:30.599 --> 00:38:31.800 they probably cut it because it's just like, oh, that's not it, 530 00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:36.960 that's not it. But it's funnier when you just go directly to the right 531 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.800 place and it's just like this is the ninth house, Leo. You know, 532 00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.480 so you get the comedy of the thing that you make up in your 533 00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:49.360 mind that you missed. Yeah, I see that. That's sort of Those 534 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:53.559 are the interesting choices that you know, filmmakers have to make all the time, 535 00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:57.920 right where it's like, you know, you have to kill your babies 536 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.320 sometimes and it's like like that that that bit. I mean, it's amusing 537 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:06.760 on its own, but it's always that question like does it serve the totality 538 00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:12.920 of what we're trying to do? Right? So the stilt house, that's 539 00:39:12.960 --> 00:39:16.360 one of the few things that survive from the Shane Black iteration of this. 540 00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:22.800 Yeah, well it's a brilliant idea. It's an amazing stunt. Oh it's 541 00:39:22.880 --> 00:39:30.079 yeah, exactly. Sorry, I'm watching the movie. But yeah, imagine 542 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:34.559 you can imagine driving through you know, the Hollywood Hills and seeing one of 543 00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:38.880 those and being like, what if I just pulled on one of those stilts, 544 00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:43.519 you know, like I'm putting that in a movie. I I certainly 545 00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:47.280 think it every time I pass one of those houses, you know. The 546 00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:52.199 The other thought I had is is how much is like so Cow a part 547 00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:57.000 of the experience of these films, Like thank thank goodness they were able to 548 00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.440 film it all in Los Angeles, in and around Los ange List. I 549 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:05.440 mean, I know, I love it living here because I recognize things and 550 00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:08.840 it feels like home in a way. But yeah, yeah, I mean, 551 00:40:08.920 --> 00:40:12.119 like, you know, as opposed to you know, trying to get 552 00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:15.840 get you know, Vancouver to double for La or something. You know, 553 00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.599 I was just gonna say, yeah, I mean another city with personality or 554 00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:21.679 something would be interesting. But yeah, if you're just gonna pick a city 555 00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:25.360 to play capital C City, then there's no personality to it, you know 556 00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:31.639 what I mean? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, she's so hilarious in this. 557 00:40:31.719 --> 00:40:37.360 Man. I love the business with the pool guy too, just like 558 00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:38.920 hey, hey, hey, because then it's we didn't see it, but 559 00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:43.159 we know that Riggs borrowed his stuff and now he just sees everyone driving away 560 00:40:43.199 --> 00:40:52.360 and he's like, what's going on? This is another great non pre bluebeam 561 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:54.320 in the sky stunt, right. I Mean it's just so it's just a 562 00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:58.119 tow truck, but it's like it has that thing I love where it's like, 563 00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:00.760 Okay, we got a tow truck. What's everything we can do with 564 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:02.840 a tow truck? Right, Like like you always say, like every part 565 00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:07.440 of the buffalo, you know, yeah, yeah, exactly, trying to 566 00:41:07.480 --> 00:41:12.320 climb up this incline and then you're in between the cabin and the lift or 567 00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:14.559 whatever, and that thing, if it's brought down, could crush you. 568 00:41:14.599 --> 00:41:16.239 So then you've got to move. And then you know that you got to 569 00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:19.800 deal with the car in the back, and the car can become a weapon, 570 00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:22.760 you know. Like yep. I just love that kind of action filmmaking 571 00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:30.840 well. And also it gives us an insight into Rigs right, like he's 572 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:34.840 not suicidal, but he's still, you know, a risk taker. He's 573 00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:39.079 still a daredevil totally totally like he will throw himself in front of anything to 574 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:44.320 get the job done. Exactly. Yeah. So this shot right here, 575 00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:49.360 I love this so much where we just stop and we just focus on picking 576 00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:54.159 up Riggs's gun, and I just love that they You could have just not 577 00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:57.079 had that in there, right, but it's like, no, we have 578 00:41:57.159 --> 00:42:00.320 to show that they don't leave Riggs's gun lying around somewhere so but he can 579 00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:06.000 find it. That is a good point. I I I clocked the moment 580 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:08.239 last night because I loved the angle and the feeling of like, hurry, 581 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:10.480 Harry, hurry, we're in the middle of a chase and him having to 582 00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:14.440 sturry over and pick it up. But I you're right, I love it. 583 00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:17.440 It's almost it's like responsible, that's exactly right. They're in the middle 584 00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:21.599 of a chase, but no, we have to make sure that we grab 585 00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.119 his gun so nobody else gets it, right. Yeah. I love that. 586 00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:31.679 It's a good character detail, I suppose. Yeah, that's what I 587 00:42:31.719 --> 00:42:38.480 What I like about these movies is they always give mertaw business. That's not 588 00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:45.719 just like standing back and watching Rigs in the hero Yes, you know, 589 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:50.079 yeah, I mean there can be someone who on paper is, yes, 590 00:42:50.280 --> 00:42:52.360 the straight man, so to speak, but they also need to be an 591 00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:58.400 interesting person. Yeah, yeah, exactly. He is a fully fleshed out 592 00:42:58.920 --> 00:43:04.599 character and also action oriented. You know, he's he's a good con that's 593 00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:10.039 right. They just do business differently, like that moment. I love that 594 00:43:10.079 --> 00:43:14.000 moment at the end with the cash, you know, and he's yeah, 595 00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:15.239 oh yeah, I was gonna I was gonna talk about that. Yeah, 596 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:22.039 yeah, I love that. I think about this all the time that see 597 00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:30.239 surfboards on top of cars always. I picture this like sort of hilly sort 598 00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:35.480 of street and just like a surfboard flying through a windshield. If one thing 599 00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:38.880 lethal weapon too taught you never drive behind a car that has a surfboard strap 600 00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:44.079 to the top. Yeah, I think it's good advice. Yeah, but 601 00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:46.960 what you were saying earlier is so funny, as Murta's car is just getting 602 00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:52.679 more and more fed up, as it's got duct tape on it, and 603 00:43:52.719 --> 00:44:01.320 you name it. It's so good. Always fun when your heroes can meet 604 00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:06.280 the villains in the middle of the movie. I find, yes, there's 605 00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:09.320 a real tension and you're in almost like an unpredictability like well, shoot, 606 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:13.199 I mean if the main good guy and the main bad guy you're meeting each 607 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.159 other, where do we go from here? And it it's always like a 608 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:21.519 really delicious sort of scene isn't it. By the way, I the version 609 00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:24.320 I'm watching on Voodoo I actually it might be you two. It has like 610 00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:30.760 subtitles that are like PG so instead of it's it said instead of freeze dickhead, 611 00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:36.239 it said freeze ding Head. Oh I wish I had seen I I 612 00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:42.320 have captions. Wow funny. Yeah. Yeah, this whole movie, all 613 00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:45.559 the all the f bombs and and like whoever was doing the captions is really 614 00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:50.599 prudish. I guess yeah, or you got the the airline version or something, 615 00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:58.280 but it's only the captions. Weird. So you have this bit coming 616 00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:00.800 up. First of all, the well, Josh Ackland as as Argent Rudd, 617 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:05.280 he's just such a oh my god, he's just he's got such a 618 00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:08.480 punchable face, right, oh just you hate this guy, yeah, so 619 00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:13.559 much. But but when Adolph you know, or as Riggs calls him Adolf, 620 00:45:13.599 --> 00:45:16.960 when when he's like, you're Martin Riggs. I love how that's just 621 00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:22.000 setting something up so random that's gonna end up paying off. Yep. But 622 00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:23.400 right there where he's like, yeah, of the Chicago Riggs is I say 623 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:32.000 that of the Chicago Hassans. That guy on the left he was reminding me 624 00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:35.639 of this other actor who I can't name right now, but I realize it's 625 00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:39.800 not him, the guy from Ninja, Turtles two and Titanic and oh David 626 00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:45.400 Warner. Yeah is that Yeah? Yeah, resembles him, but yeah he 627 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:51.000 looks like him. Yeah. Yeah. Joss Ackland he was the following year, 628 00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:58.119 he was in Hunt Fred October. He's the like the the the Russian 629 00:45:58.159 --> 00:46:00.519 guy. Yep, I was just I'm looking at his IMDb right now. 630 00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:06.119 Yeah, just passed away resent his Journey. Yeah, that's right, he's 631 00:46:06.159 --> 00:46:08.599 in Bogus Journey. I forgot about that. Yeah. He died November nineteenth, 632 00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:14.239 twenty twenty three. Okay, so very recently. Oh I saw Dinghead. 633 00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:21.719 Yes, I want to put pulp fiction on here and see what that 634 00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:25.559 looks like. I think it's just the captions for this movie. I think 635 00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.800 now. I you know, we you and I we talk often about how 636 00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:37.239 movies gave us a weird, a weird sense of car bombs and quicksand right, 637 00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:39.880 I would say, because of this movie, I have this weird sense 638 00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:44.119 of like man diplomatic immunity. You can just do whatever you want, you 639 00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:49.800 know, I love like excuse. I don't know why. It's something about 640 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:54.480 twelve year old Zachi being like, oh damn, like diplomatic, dangerous in 641 00:46:54.519 --> 00:47:04.639 the wrong hands. So Patsy Kensitt So this is interesting, But how old 642 00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:08.000 is Patsy Kensitt here twenty one? Twenty one? Yeah, I wanted to 643 00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.519 see how old he was and how old she was. He's yeah, it's 644 00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:14.920 like it's like a twelve one, yeah, twelve year difference. Yeah, 645 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:23.480 but they originally wanted brageet Nielsen for this role. I'm gonna say Patsy Kensett 646 00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:28.920 is better in the part. So yeah, I mean she's she's kind of 647 00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:32.440 like a badass, feels like a different energy. Yeah, that's right, 648 00:47:32.599 --> 00:47:37.039 exactly, especially by then because she had played red Sonia and yeah, and 649 00:47:37.239 --> 00:47:40.360 she doesn't seem like someone who would put up with these working with these people 650 00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:44.519 if she didn't agree with them, whereas this person feels like she's in sort 651 00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:47.519 of like a weird spot where she doesn't want to be Yes, yeah, 652 00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:52.519 exactly. Yeah. But I looked her up because I was like, I 653 00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:57.159 don't know her from anything else, but she man, her acting goes way 654 00:47:57.159 --> 00:48:00.159 way back. I mean, I guess she was like a child star was 655 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:07.599 a musician, She was in a band. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, 656 00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.800 I mean probably best known to American audiences for this movie. To American 657 00:48:10.840 --> 00:48:19.599 audiences, Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's in the Great Gatsby, the 658 00:48:19.639 --> 00:48:24.480 seven seventies version. Oh really, oh wow she is? Yeah yeah, 659 00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:30.000 that's the one with Sam Waterston. Oh really yeah? Have you have you 660 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:35.920 seen it? Have you seen the the one so so Sam Waterston is Nick, 661 00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:38.320 you know, the character played by Tobey maguire in the more recent one. 662 00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:43.519 Oh, when she was married? I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I 663 00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:47.239 just I just hopped into the other thing. I was gonna say she was 664 00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:53.639 married to Liam Gallagher for a spell. Oh that's right. Wow, yeah, 665 00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:58.880 anyway, Sorry, sorry, you were saying you have Oasis fame. 666 00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:10.480 Mm hmmm. It's so funny that I usually wait the car Yeah, rubbers, 667 00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:16.800 rubbers, rubbers, see Murtaw is right, just rubbers everywhere, you 668 00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:22.360 know. In thinking about cut scenes and how even the stuff that feels like 669 00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:25.559 gags, just like the street jacket thing at the beginning, just feels like 670 00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:29.400 a funny uh he's a crazy guy, you know kind of thing, but 671 00:49:29.519 --> 00:49:31.519 obviously it pays off later. I was trying to think if the condom commercial 672 00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:37.960 added to anything, and I don't know that does specifically, but it does 673 00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:44.400 build the camaraderie with the other cops who we are going to lose, yeah, 674 00:49:44.599 --> 00:49:49.840 right, that and also it sort of establishes Rigs his relationship, which 675 00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:54.320 is he's just constantly goofing on Murta yeah right, which obviously becomes a thing 676 00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:58.639 throughout the series. But also, honestly, I love how Murtaw just starts 677 00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:02.880 laughing at the end of that right totally. He's not like a pill, 678 00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:06.920 you know what I mean? Ye, Like, yeah, he can laugh 679 00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:09.440 at himself. It's a good joke, right, He doesn't want to be 680 00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:15.760 the butt of anything, but he can laugh at right, exactly. Seriously, 681 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:20.960 the man's a treasure. The man's a treasure, and these two have 682 00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:27.280 got to be one of the best casting duo you know pairs every honestly, 683 00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.599 ever, I mean it's I was actually thinking. I know people's feelings and 684 00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:35.760 Gibson have probably changed over the years, but like I I can't do it 685 00:50:35.800 --> 00:50:38.440 for everybody, but I definitely can separate it with these lethal weapon movies because 686 00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:43.079 this just feels like something, It feels like a different person honestly, not 687 00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:45.519 the pepper bearded, crazy eyed guy, you know, what I mean, 688 00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:50.639 it's kind of crazy looking. Yeah. Yeah, and to be to be 689 00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:52.840 honest, to be honest, that's kind of why I don't want another lethal 690 00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.639 weapon movie, exactly. I don't want to. I don't want to. 691 00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:01.599 Yeah, melt that, yeah exactly, it's like, no, let it 692 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:05.559 be this thing from twenty five twenty six years ago. And you know, 693 00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:10.960 totally totally agree. Yeah, but when you talk about like the interplay and 694 00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:16.039 the banter, like you buy the friendship and that's what lets you go along 695 00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:20.920 with the with the goofing around with each other. Yeah, and it is 696 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:28.960 unlikely, but it also is completely believable and palpable, right yeah, I 697 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.960 mean you know it's just like like earlier when we were in the MRTA house 698 00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:37.159 with Leo and and he's like, hey, where does Trish keep my clothes? 699 00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:37.920 Right? So another it's like, no, he just goes there, 700 00:51:37.920 --> 00:51:43.679 he does laundry there. Like it's just he's part of the family, you 701 00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.880 know, and and that that dynamic of what he brings to that family and 702 00:51:46.880 --> 00:51:51.079 what the family gives to him. I think it's, Uh, it's just 703 00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.559 something it's really nice to see it progress as as the films go on, 704 00:51:53.679 --> 00:52:02.199 you know, totally the drive there. They f you with the drive through. 705 00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:06.519 Oh wait, yeah, I want to see this and close captioning, 706 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:19.199 Oh yeah, I'm very curious. I'm excited. Now wait did he say 707 00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:29.599 not yet? Yeah? They freak you. Wow. Wow, you got 708 00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:32.679 freaked, Brian, They freak you at the drive through? Man, Wow, 709 00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:40.280 which drive through? Who gets freaked? Oh? Leo a freak Wow. 710 00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:49.559 That's so fascinating. Oh man, yeah, uh, that happened to 711 00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:53.039 me recently. Actually, I got freaked at the drive through. I went 712 00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:55.639 and ordered, uh soft shell tacos, and I got a hard shell. 713 00:52:55.679 --> 00:53:00.000 But you know what, I turned around because yeah, you know, it 714 00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:01.679 was great. Though. Then I went inside. I was like, hey, 715 00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:05.000 I asked for soft shell. You gave me a hard shell. He's 716 00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.920 like, we know what, keep the hard shell. Here's your soft shell, 717 00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:10.559 and here's some gift certificates for more tacos. And I thought, wow, 718 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:13.760 I'll look at that. I was like, give this man a raise. 719 00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:16.960 So you went back there. You didn't lose your shit, no, 720 00:53:19.159 --> 00:53:21.239 see, I think I think that's the thing. You were just like, 721 00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:23.119 hey, listen, I was just here. Yeah, thankfully I wasn't all 722 00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:28.800 the way home. But yeah, it's a good thing you checked. Yes, 723 00:53:28.880 --> 00:53:31.760 I know, I was gonna eat it in the car as long as 724 00:53:32.079 --> 00:53:37.000 okay cops lists. Speaking of speaking of drive throughs, have you seen that? 725 00:53:37.079 --> 00:53:40.519 I think you should leave sketch with the where he's at the drive through. 726 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:47.880 Yes, we're paying it forward, paying for I was crying. I 727 00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:52.360 was laughing so hard, dude. Whenever new episodes of that are released, 728 00:53:52.360 --> 00:53:57.480 Federica basically just sits next to me on the couch to watch me watch the 729 00:53:57.519 --> 00:54:01.440 show because I think it's the hardest I laugh all year. And if you 730 00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:05.119 remember, I'm gonna take credit because I was one who is like, you 731 00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:07.519 need to watch this show? Oh yeah, we could, yeh. I 732 00:54:07.559 --> 00:54:12.800 know because you I'm always amazed with the degrees to which you know me, 733 00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:15.679 because it's very specific stuff. Times you're just like, oh no, no, 734 00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:16.800 no, this You're gonna love this. Just just wait, right, 735 00:54:20.400 --> 00:54:27.440 very special thing to share with someone. I got you. Boom, I'm 736 00:54:27.519 --> 00:54:30.039 I'm the Leo gets to you. That's the way. That's the way I 737 00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:31.840 look at it. No, no, man, you're right, I don't 738 00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:36.719 know which ones which, but we're we're rigged in Marta. Hey, I'll 739 00:54:36.760 --> 00:54:43.480 take it. I do love the the fun stalking scenes. We got there 740 00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:49.880 just a second ago with Rigs basically looking into security cameras like hello. It's 741 00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:53.480 it's it's interesting because the dynamic they've set up is so perfect, right where 742 00:54:53.480 --> 00:55:00.239 it's like, here's a guy who is ungettable mm hmm through the legal process, 743 00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:05.360 right, and so it it obviously as a cop he it puts him 744 00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:07.199 in this weird position, but it also puts us in the position of being 745 00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:09.679 like, oh man, we want to get him. How do we get 746 00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:15.719 him? You know? Yeap, yeah, I was. I can't remember 747 00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:20.199 if he said this specifically, but with the Shane Black thing, Leo gets 748 00:55:20.280 --> 00:55:24.000 was only in like one scene, and it's fun where you can see where 749 00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:28.400 they where they took him. Here you have him basically like you know, 750 00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:34.719 with an apron on cleaning Riggs' trailer, Like you know, he just immediately 751 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:39.800 they saw an opportunity and they created this totally fun character, you know. 752 00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:45.880 Yeah, And I wonder, I wonder if they built him out after getting 753 00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:50.280 Pashi on board, or if they saw the potential before even casting, you 754 00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:57.239 know what I mean. That's a really good question because the yeah, yeah, 755 00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:00.159 yeah, yeah, Well, as written, he was going to be 756 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:06.639 kind of a feat Oh interesting, that was like slick and kind of effeminate, 757 00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:07.639 and Pesci was like, well, I don't want to play that, 758 00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:10.320 and so he came up with this idea. He's like, I met a 759 00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:13.480 guy at Disneyland who was trying to guide people. He's like, okay, 760 00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:15.079 okay, you gotta go here, and okay, okay, and then and 761 00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:19.920 and he just started doing that and Donner thought it was hilarious and that's what 762 00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:22.280 you know, that's what they landed on. And it's so much it's like 763 00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:28.159 the perfect characterization. Yeah, with your description, the first thing that came 764 00:56:28.199 --> 00:56:31.239 to mind was like Bronson Pinchot in Beverly Hills. Yes, right, that's 765 00:56:31.280 --> 00:56:35.199 what I thought too, that that's what I thought, seeing that I love 766 00:56:35.239 --> 00:56:42.159 this. This is different, Yes, exactly. Yeah. The the Leo 767 00:56:42.320 --> 00:56:46.840 character appeared on the television series, as played by Thomas Lennon. Thomas Lennon 768 00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:54.239 legendary around these parts with our show. That's right, that's right, I 769 00:56:54.280 --> 00:57:04.079 love me some Thomas Lennon. Yeah, this scene is just so special, 770 00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:08.280 isn't it. Yeah, Like yep, everything about this scene with Merton the 771 00:57:08.320 --> 00:57:15.000 toilet, like you can imagine a version in like a modern more modern movie 772 00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:19.639 with like more comedic actors playing up the comedy of this, and there is 773 00:57:19.719 --> 00:57:22.360 comedy to be had here and we get a little bit of it, but 774 00:57:22.480 --> 00:57:27.840 like there's this weird this is awkward, but like these guys are brothers. 775 00:57:28.400 --> 00:57:31.920 This is a serious situation. It's uncomfortable. I just love the way they 776 00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:37.960 play this. Like the tone of this whole sequence is so unique, you 777 00:57:38.000 --> 00:57:40.159 know, you know what I'm saying, Like you can imagine it going into 778 00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:45.440 like absolutely broader sort of comedic territory. And I just love that there's this 779 00:57:45.920 --> 00:57:47.960 it's kind of funny, like, oh, this is a silly scenario, 780 00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.840 but then it immediately becomes deadly serious and all the way through the end of 781 00:57:52.880 --> 00:57:55.480 it, which I know we'll talk more too, but just the bond. 782 00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:01.599 Yeah, these guys have willing to I for one another. It's I love 783 00:58:01.639 --> 00:58:07.599 this sequence so much. Yeah, it's well and especially arriving as it does, 784 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:09.719 it's literally the heart of the movie. It's right in the middle. 785 00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:15.840 Yeah. Right, And and let me also say, as as a father 786 00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:21.320 of five, I feel Murta's pain because I'm just being able to just sit 787 00:58:21.400 --> 00:58:24.159 on the toilet in an empty house. It's really like I feel I feel 788 00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:29.480 this so much, Brian, it's taken away from it. They put a 789 00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:31.079 bomb. Well, all you just wanted was just read his magazine on the 790 00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:37.920 toilet and piece. See Riggs gets all these motivating faster to want to kill 791 00:58:37.920 --> 00:58:42.159 the bad guys. This is like a perfect motivating factor for you and Murta 792 00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:52.000 for like, this is hilariously he's I don't tell anybody, and then is 793 00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:59.719 so good. It's so but it's again it's like it is hilarious, but 794 00:58:59.800 --> 00:59:01.719 there's not putting a hat on it, you know what I mean, Like 795 00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:07.159 it's just so matter of fact, and it's a matter of factness is what 796 00:59:07.239 --> 00:59:16.519 makes it so funny, you know, zip my lip, no problem. 797 00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:22.159 The comedy is just so masterfully executed, you know, in accordance with the 798 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:27.760 tone of these movies. That that's the thing you're really it's a balancing act. 799 00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:31.599 And and this one, like you said it, it hits it exactly 800 00:59:31.679 --> 00:59:37.840 right every beat, you know. So so the the Exter or the mertaw 801 00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:39.840 House, I think you said it's it's on the Warner Brothers lot, or 802 00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:44.119 it was on the Warner Brothers lot Warner Brothers Ranch, which is just down 803 00:59:44.159 --> 00:59:52.039 the street on Hollywood Way and it just got torn down. No, the 804 00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:59.599 neighbor of the house that's neighboring to this house is the Griswolds with the lights. 805 00:59:59.639 --> 01:00:01.400 Yeah. So Sean and I we actually did a pitch there at Warner 806 01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:05.360 Brothers and the Friends. Fountain was there too, and so we just walked 807 01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:07.440 around. Wow, and it's just this I was iconic. I mean, 808 01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:12.039 you walk down the street and you immediately recognize it, and I feel so 809 01:00:12.119 --> 01:00:16.480 thankful I got to see it before it was torn down. So this actor 810 01:00:16.480 --> 01:00:21.559 who plays the bomb Scott guy's name is Kenneth Tiger. We just saw him 811 01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:23.920 a couple months ago. He was in the Lowis and Clark Pilot. That's 812 01:00:24.039 --> 01:00:28.559 right. I knew he was someone that I recognized and I know from many 813 01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:32.320 things, and I couldn't place it. This piece of scientist look that looks, 814 01:00:32.320 --> 01:00:36.039 oh isn't it great? Perfect? You know, get we need to 815 01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:38.440 get you out of here. You won't even speak. Rig is just like 816 01:00:38.960 --> 01:00:44.679 I'm not leaving with no words. I mean that's the thing, right, 817 01:00:44.760 --> 01:00:47.360 Like the bond like you were alluding to, It's like it's this, it's 818 01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:52.320 this brotherhood that these men have and so you you kind of when you when 819 01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:55.199 you stack it against the first movie, you're like they went through something in 820 01:00:55.199 --> 01:01:00.159 that first movie that bonded them for life, right, and you don't get 821 01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:04.239 some line like you know, we need you to leave, not on your 822 01:01:04.280 --> 01:01:07.000 life, you know, you couldn't tear me away from here, and it's 823 01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:09.679 like we just get a steely stare. I'm not going anywhere, dude. 824 01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:15.760 Love it. By the way, I uh, MythBusters tested this out. 825 01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:20.639 Oh yeah, I saw this. Yeah that's crazy. I even watching this. 826 01:01:20.760 --> 01:01:22.559 I was like, what, like I don't understand this. Liquid nitrogen 827 01:01:22.559 --> 01:01:27.079 would slow it down. But yeah, they pour liquid nitrogen to delay the 828 01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:31.400 explosion and hear it says they would give them seconds. But MythBusters proof minutes. 829 01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:36.519 Fifteen minutes. Yeah, yeah, but that's not exciting, Zachy. 830 01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:50.119 It's like so alone at last. I love this. I mean the drama, 831 01:01:50.159 --> 01:01:53.159 I mean just putting the flap down, like you could die in here, 832 01:01:53.639 --> 01:02:01.039 you know. Yeah, I think it again that there's this inherent drama. 833 01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:05.840 Right, It's like it's like amusing that he's on a toilet bomb, 834 01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:08.280 but like this, look at the way the way rog is laughing, right, 835 01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:13.800 Like it's like, you know, it's gallows humor, you know, 836 01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:16.760 yeah, why didn't they put it in the oven? You know, you 837 01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:22.480 this from all that cooking your wife's and then they're cracking up. It's hilarious. 838 01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:23.920 No, and I just love He's like, guys like, you don't 839 01:02:23.960 --> 01:02:30.039 die on toilets. It's such a weirdly moving line, isn't it right? 840 01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:37.800 Yeah? Oh, and then and then the on three one, two three 841 01:02:37.920 --> 01:02:43.559 go and this is important and they only have seconds, so it matters. 842 01:02:51.280 --> 01:02:53.280 Man, you're watching with the sound off. It's kind of tense. I 843 01:02:53.360 --> 01:03:05.519 know, yeah, I just do three. Yeah. Coachees, Yeah, 844 01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:07.159 I remember you and I we were like, what's coaches? Like? We 845 01:03:07.159 --> 01:03:13.360 were we were going through the because I've never heard it used colloquially outside of 846 01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:22.960 these films. No same, and I honestly have forgotten look yeah, yeah 847 01:03:23.039 --> 01:03:28.239 right right here. Yeah, the just yes, you know, I love 848 01:03:28.280 --> 01:03:37.519 you. Don't say anything exactly. Yeah, this really is a great scene. 849 01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:44.800 I mean, it's it's amazing to me that, like two movies in, 850 01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:49.400 we're already you know you you you you don't have any doubt about the 851 01:03:49.719 --> 01:03:54.320 relationship, you know, Like, I think it's a testament to what the 852 01:03:54.360 --> 01:04:00.519 first movie was able to do. So effectively, is that you know, 853 01:04:01.679 --> 01:04:05.440 they're just there there there, They're a match set at this point, you 854 01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:12.360 know, through thick and thin, you know. Along with all that, 855 01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:15.800 I thought it was interesting and I watched it on your Voodoo thank you, 856 01:04:15.360 --> 01:04:20.280 and I was looking at the reviews, you know, like the summaries for 857 01:04:20.400 --> 01:04:23.559 the film, and I thought it was interesting. One of them said, 858 01:04:24.800 --> 01:04:28.559 when I when I think of lethal Weapon, I attribute a lot of this 859 01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:31.519 the stuff that happens in this movie to the first one. Hmmm. And 860 01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:34.199 I was like, that's so interesting, isn't it, Because I think I 861 01:04:34.480 --> 01:04:38.440 kind of do too. Not the toilet scene because I know that's in this 862 01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:41.719 one, but the feeling of that scene. But that's not the feeling in 863 01:04:41.760 --> 01:04:45.800 the first one. The first one is them as strangers, building to what 864 01:04:45.840 --> 01:04:48.679 we are able to have in this movie. But it's funny that, Yeah, 865 01:04:48.679 --> 01:04:51.199 when I think of lethal Weapon, and you're asked me if I like 866 01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:56.960 lethal Weapon one, I might accidentally, you know, take some of my 867 01:04:57.039 --> 01:04:59.760 thoughts or feelings or scenes from this movie and apply it to the first one. 868 01:04:59.800 --> 01:05:02.079 All So, no, I think that's really true. I mean, 869 01:05:02.719 --> 01:05:11.159 uhh, when you look at all four of them together, and we've said 870 01:05:11.159 --> 01:05:13.320 this before, right, what tends to happen? Do you watch one and 871 01:05:13.360 --> 01:05:18.320 then you're like, well, I gotta go through all four? And so 872 01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:24.239 they do kind of blur together a little bit. Sure, But I think 873 01:05:24.239 --> 01:05:29.320 the cool thing is that the progression is so natural that it's never like none 874 01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:32.440 of them feels jarring. They feel each movie feels like a natural progression from 875 01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:36.800 the one before it. Exactly, Yeah, we'll put right, yeah, 876 01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:42.480 yeah. Three couldn't come right after one for sure? Yeah, yeah, 877 01:05:42.559 --> 01:05:45.280 yeah, exactly. You know, and you've said, right, three is 878 01:05:45.280 --> 01:05:48.760 the one you've seen the least. Yeah, seen the least, and I 879 01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:54.119 just remember the least for some reason. Well, that'll be a fun one 880 01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:56.960 to come back to and talk through. Yeah. No, I mean I 881 01:05:57.320 --> 01:06:00.840 felt this when we watched the first one, but I it makes me like, 882 01:06:00.880 --> 01:06:01.840 tonight, I want to watch the next one, like I just you 883 01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:11.159 don't want to, You want to spend more time with these guys. Yeah. 884 01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:15.519 Yeah. I remember shortly after you and I met, like I had 885 01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:21.480 gotten the lethal films for Christmas, like as Christmas Presents that year, and 886 01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:26.800 it was the director's cuts, you know, and and so for me it 887 01:06:26.920 --> 01:06:30.119 was it was that experience of of just being able to watch them back to 888 01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:31.639 back to back, you know, which I hadn't been able to do, 889 01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:35.840 you know ever really because you know, I hadn't owned them before, and 890 01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:42.239 and so for me it's like that, that's something like I associate that with 891 01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:45.920 with you, just because I got them right around the time I met you, 892 01:06:45.000 --> 01:06:47.559 and I was probably like, man, these movies are so great. 893 01:06:47.559 --> 01:06:49.559 Aren't they great? Come on, Brian, aren't they great? You know? 894 01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:54.119 Well, it's funny because I think of you and Sean with these movies 895 01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:59.800 where I had seen them, but like I had talked about them very much, 896 01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:02.599 you know, you guys were really into them, and so it got 897 01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:04.679 me to be like, well, yeah, I don't want to rewatch those. 898 01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:09.519 And then I, you know, bought the DVDs or whatever. I 899 01:07:09.559 --> 01:07:11.800 know, I say that we just talked pasted about the day. He's like, 900 01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:15.119 but but you're blick. I say, yes, but you're blick. 901 01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:20.400 And then Pesci later joking about that, and they're all cracking up. That's 902 01:07:20.440 --> 01:07:30.800 so funny. So this, uh the set. Richard Donner talked about how 903 01:07:30.280 --> 01:07:34.519 the day they got in to film this, the production designer J. Michael 904 01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:40.320 Reave had painted it pink. So the whole thing was pink. Why, 905 01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:45.119 Yeah, well that's that's what Richard Donner said. He's like, the hell 906 01:07:45.199 --> 01:07:46.000 is this? He's like, well, I thought it'd be a little different, 907 01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:49.119 like, you know, it's a it doesn't look like your usual villain 908 01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:53.079 layer, you know. And he's like, no, no, it looks 909 01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:58.440 stupid painted. So so the way it looks kind of gun metal gray, 910 01:07:58.599 --> 01:08:00.880 it's like that, This is what he said. He's like, the paint 911 01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:04.320 was wet, like you could smell the paint when they were shooting. If 912 01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:08.840 not this scene, then the scene earlier when he shoots Mark Rolston. But 913 01:08:08.920 --> 01:08:13.280 it was literally after a knockdown drag out with the production designer, decided to 914 01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:17.199 do it pink. It's kind of bold. That's a choice, I mean, 915 01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:21.640 to not even consult the director and be like, how do I feel 916 01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:29.439 today for the color of this scene. I do like this scene, though 917 01:08:29.439 --> 01:08:36.359 it's a it's such a great summation of Riggs's character. Yeah. I love 918 01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:42.800 the whole fish tank too, you know, like evil people having fish tanks 919 01:08:42.800 --> 01:08:45.560 in their office makes me think of the bad guy in the Naked Gun. 920 01:08:45.359 --> 01:08:49.600 Oh, I'm sure I can think of others, but it's usually you know, 921 01:08:49.680 --> 01:08:56.600 like someone feeding some sort of dangerous fish and being like, yeah, 922 01:08:56.680 --> 01:09:06.560 you misunderstand me, officer, kind of a monologue happening. Yeah, I 923 01:09:06.600 --> 01:09:10.640 love the whole sort of three Stooges sort of energy too, Like I mean 924 01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:13.279 they set that up earlier that he's a big fan, but he's he's doing 925 01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:16.119 a lot of those like three Stooges noises. You have behavior throughout this thing. 926 01:09:23.079 --> 01:09:27.359 I mean, this movie came out at a time when, of course 927 01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:32.439 white supremacists would be your villains. And again, this is a measure of 928 01:09:32.479 --> 01:09:39.199 how society is sort of you know, devolved. I would say, where 929 01:09:39.199 --> 01:09:43.359 now we're like, well, you know, leave the white supremacists alone. 930 01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:48.680 You know the fact that you know, yeah, it's it's I was telling 931 01:09:48.720 --> 01:09:54.800 you earlier off Mike that I watched Field of Dreams last night and there's that 932 01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:58.640 scene where they want to ban all these books at this school, you know, 933 01:09:58.640 --> 01:10:02.680 like and Frank and you know this woman I don't know, and I 934 01:10:02.760 --> 01:10:06.119 just thought like, wow, something's just never changed. He's like thirty five 935 01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:11.239 years old and there's still people trying to ban and Frank. You know, 936 01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:15.720 it's just well, and the extraordinary thing is that, like if you watch 937 01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:20.199 a movie, the heroes are never the ones trying to ban books, you 938 01:10:20.239 --> 01:10:24.359 know, I know, right, so you'd think people like you think, 939 01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:27.800 you know, Ron DeSantis would be like, well, I think I'm the 940 01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:30.279 villain in this story. You know, like there's never that sense of self 941 01:10:30.319 --> 01:10:34.880 awareness that kicks in, you know. Yeah, yeah, So it's yeah, 942 01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:41.319 it's sad. It's sad when you see how much things either don't change 943 01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:45.319 or do change for the worst, for the worst. Now, now we 944 01:10:45.680 --> 01:10:49.039 see Rigs shoot the fish tank, and it's all fun in games there was 945 01:10:49.159 --> 01:10:53.039 hilarious trying to save the fish. Now. Meanwhile, we have a scene 946 01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:57.760 later in the movie where it's a big dramatic moment about Riggs's dog escaping death. 947 01:11:00.479 --> 01:11:06.760 Uh fair, I mean, I'm gonna say, on animals, an 948 01:11:06.800 --> 01:11:12.239 animal, you know, I I agree, No, I agree. I 949 01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:15.720 would never want to to. You know, when you see people swallowing goldfish 950 01:11:15.760 --> 01:11:18.239 and things like that, it just bothers me. That thing's a living thing, 951 01:11:18.960 --> 01:11:25.640 dude, you know. Uh after uh after, Uh, let's see 952 01:11:25.640 --> 01:11:30.399 that this was Humsa's freshman year. He got it was like his last day 953 01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:35.039 he got he got some goldfish and and uh one of them died. One 954 01:11:35.079 --> 01:11:38.960 of them lived for a while. For we had him for more than a 955 01:11:39.000 --> 01:11:42.119 year, and he ended up dying when we were when we were cleaning the 956 01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:45.479 fish tank, and I'll tell you, we were all like traumatized because we 957 01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:50.159 had grown so attached to that fish. Yeah. Yeah, and I've had 958 01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:54.640 fish pretty much my whole life, you know. I mean they're they're different 959 01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:59.079 obviously than dogs and cats. They can't really play with them, but they're 960 01:11:59.079 --> 01:12:01.479 still a living thing. See. I think what we needed was we needed 961 01:12:01.479 --> 01:12:06.239 a shot inside the goldfish where we see how the lighter skinned goldfish are being 962 01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:11.840 mean to the darker goldfish, just to drive it home. Yeah, he 963 01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:15.039 was like, oh no, they're white supremacist fish. Okay, Oh well 964 01:12:15.079 --> 01:12:18.319 all right, Ris, Yeah, exactly. I think that's what was missing. 965 01:12:19.600 --> 01:12:23.159 I also, I was like thinking, oh, like this is in 966 01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:28.600 the pantheon of great exploding aquariums and movies, you know, like Mission Impossible, 967 01:12:29.279 --> 01:12:33.760 and that's all I could think of. But if it doesn't feel like 968 01:12:33.760 --> 01:12:39.920 there's more, it feels like there should be more if nothing else, Yeah, 969 01:12:40.960 --> 01:12:45.239 this is interesting. Okay. So so at one point she he's like, 970 01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:47.840 well I followed you, and she's like, t you followed me and 971 01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:51.119 I'm like, you know, if he didn't look like he does, yes, 972 01:12:53.680 --> 01:13:00.720 it would be a very different reaction, right, Yeah, certainly that 973 01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:04.960 And it's funny because there is a flirtation here. Clearly she's into it to 974 01:13:05.000 --> 01:13:12.920 a degree, but it really does become him imposing literally dragging her away at 975 01:13:12.920 --> 01:13:15.199 the end. Yeah, and you know, I'm sure in nineteen eighty nine 976 01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:17.479 it was like, Well'smill Gibson, I wish he dragged me away, you 977 01:13:17.520 --> 01:13:20.920 know, kind of a thing. But watching this, I was like, 978 01:13:21.760 --> 01:13:25.159 yeesh, Like, gu's not how i'd want my my hero in my movie 979 01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:28.720 to behave that Well, and it's sort of it's sort of like watching those 980 01:13:28.720 --> 01:13:31.359 early James Bond movies where you're like, goddamn, dude, like, I 981 01:13:31.439 --> 01:13:38.199 know he's he's he's you know, just a borderline sexual predator, you know. 982 01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:42.239 Yep, Yeah, and that is I mean, look, let's be 983 01:13:42.399 --> 01:13:47.000 real. I mean that was the dynamic that in the era that you and 984 01:13:47.079 --> 01:13:53.319 I grew up, That's how our movie heroes were depicted. And I think 985 01:13:53.479 --> 01:13:58.439 the part of that, let's call it like a fantasy, was probably yes, 986 01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:00.840 she's resisting, but all simately, she can't resist me. So like 987 01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:05.039 if I just push and push in a playful way. I'll get what she's 988 01:14:05.079 --> 01:14:10.479 really feeling out, and she'll do what she wishes she could shell she'll come 989 01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:14.600 away with me. I think, I assume that's kind of what is people 990 01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:17.119 are trying, you know, to characterize in those sorts of things. But 991 01:14:17.199 --> 01:14:23.800 it's just like now, man like people people say no most of the time. 992 01:14:26.159 --> 01:14:30.439 Percent of the time they mean no, that's exactly right, it's and 993 01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:35.800 and so you wonder how much how much screwed up thinking got inculcated into people 994 01:14:36.319 --> 01:14:42.000 by taking the wrong interpretation from films like this. Yeah, Like if I 995 01:14:42.039 --> 01:14:45.399 push hard enough, either she'll say what she's really thinking or I can change 996 01:14:45.399 --> 01:14:50.239 her mind. Well, it's like the old chestnut that we've seen in countless 997 01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:55.279 movies and sitcoms where they're fighting, they're yelling at each other, then they 998 01:14:55.319 --> 01:15:00.279 slap, then they kiss. Yeah right, Yeah, It's like I don't 999 01:15:00.279 --> 01:15:02.840 think real life works that way. You know. My brother and I joke 1000 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:05.079 about that all the time, just because we think it's such a funny, 1001 01:15:05.479 --> 01:15:12.000 weird trope, like, yeah it really yeah, but yeah, I mean, 1002 01:15:12.079 --> 01:15:15.279 I think the movie has set up in her portrayal that yes, she 1003 01:15:16.119 --> 01:15:20.439 is interested in him to a degree, but just that one moment where she 1004 01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:24.960 can he convinces her to come back with him. I just feel like feels 1005 01:15:24.960 --> 01:15:29.520 a little I wish they had tweaked it a little bit differently, But I 1006 01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:31.840 mean you are looking at it from a twenty twenty four perspective, so there 1007 01:15:31.880 --> 01:15:36.439 is that definitely, and I yeah, and again not that it would ever 1008 01:15:36.520 --> 01:15:41.399 be okay any in any period, because it's but I think people would look 1009 01:15:41.399 --> 01:15:45.319 at it differently, and especially to your point with mel Gibson doing it in 1010 01:15:45.399 --> 01:15:49.640 nineteen eighty nine. Yes, I would like to n eighty nine mel Gibson 1011 01:15:50.479 --> 01:15:55.119 nineteen twlve. Yeah, important for many reason. But I mean, like 1012 01:15:55.199 --> 01:15:58.279 the men wish they were mel Gibson in that scenario, and the woman really 1013 01:15:58.279 --> 01:16:01.359 wanted to go away with him and the women which they were her and mel 1014 01:16:01.399 --> 01:16:05.520 Gibson wouldn't give up on her and her away. You know, you know, 1015 01:16:05.880 --> 01:16:11.920 it is worth like taking a step back and just like taking into account 1016 01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:15.039 the star power of mel Gibson at his peak, you know, yeah, 1017 01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:20.479 like he was People Magazine's very first sexiest man alive. Oh really, he 1018 01:16:21.039 --> 01:16:27.039 inaugurated the tradition mm hmm, right, And and I mean certainly when we 1019 01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:31.760 I would say, throughout the nineties, probably one of the most dependable box 1020 01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:39.079 office draws you could imagine. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, 1021 01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:43.279 And then he went on and directed Brave Heart, which is amazing, and 1022 01:16:43.319 --> 01:16:47.359 when oscars and it's like, what can't this man do? Yep, this 1023 01:16:47.439 --> 01:16:54.199 is a crazy stunt. Yes, with that, it's also yeah, with 1024 01:16:54.399 --> 01:17:00.000 the officer on the diving board at the pool, also feels slightly the most 1025 01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:02.920 cartoonish, like to put it on the diving board of a pool, right, 1026 01:17:03.079 --> 01:17:08.159 a little like I don't know, in time, someone to a train 1027 01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:14.439 tracks or something. And also it kind of looks like she made it. 1028 01:17:14.720 --> 01:17:17.279 Yeah, I mean it's an incredible stunt. The stunt person like flipping in 1029 01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:19.560 the air like that, but it's like, well, no, like thank 1030 01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:23.279 god, it kind of looks like they made it. Yeah. No, 1031 01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:26.079 that's a good. Well, you know, as written in the original Shane 1032 01:17:26.079 --> 01:17:30.039 Black draft, that character who is ends up being played by Jenet goldseen she's 1033 01:17:30.079 --> 01:17:34.880 tortured to death by the by the South Africans and so they smartly got rid 1034 01:17:34.920 --> 01:17:40.319 of that. But yeah, I think I think your point is valid that 1035 01:17:40.680 --> 01:17:44.279 it it feels like, yeah, I don't know, how is she you 1036 01:17:44.319 --> 01:17:47.000 know, seems okay, Yeah, I mean I'm being like silly, but 1037 01:17:47.399 --> 01:17:50.000 it's it is the one that even last night I was like, oh, 1038 01:17:50.000 --> 01:17:55.399 that's kind of funny, like putting a palm on a diving board on a 1039 01:17:55.399 --> 01:17:58.239 pool. Yeah, as opposed to these other people that are just getting like 1040 01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:04.600 blown up and shot in the head, and these poor guys. I almost 1041 01:18:04.600 --> 01:18:10.760 wish we had seen like a like a bird land on the pool the diving 1042 01:18:10.760 --> 01:18:15.039 board. Yeah, I see like a little bird. Like cheap, cheap, 1043 01:18:15.119 --> 01:18:19.680 cheap, you know. Like now, now, this scene right here, 1044 01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:23.880 I talk about how much I love Captain Murphy. This scene right here 1045 01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:29.079 is why. You know, the cops are freaking out, they're panicking, 1046 01:18:30.000 --> 01:18:32.479 and he's he's trying to calm their nerves. Let's worry about the ones that 1047 01:18:32.520 --> 01:18:35.880 are alive, right, Yep, he just kind of taps one of the 1048 01:18:35.920 --> 01:18:40.600 cheek. Let's do it, right. Isn't that great? Gosh, this 1049 01:18:40.640 --> 01:18:45.479 has got to be the best, most human version of this kind of chief. 1050 01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:48.640 Exactly. I never thought about it because again, if you asked me, 1051 01:18:48.680 --> 01:18:50.760 and I hadn't watched these movies in years, it'd be like, yeah, 1052 01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:54.720 he's the guy who's got the tons on his desk, and he's always 1053 01:18:54.800 --> 01:18:57.880 yelling about you know, these guys blowing up city blocks. But he's not 1054 01:18:57.960 --> 01:19:00.279 that guy. No, not at all. Like even in the in the 1055 01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:05.399 fourth one, you know when he you know, Riggs and Murta get promoted 1056 01:19:05.439 --> 01:19:10.319 to captain briefly, right, yes, and he's like, he's like, 1057 01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:12.560 this is the best, the most painful thing I've ever to go through. 1058 01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:15.520 But you can tell he's joking around with them, yeah, yeah, you 1059 01:19:15.600 --> 01:19:18.479 know, he's like, oh I gotta do this now, you know, 1060 01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:23.119 and he's he's having an aneurysm, you know. Yeah, and he thinks 1061 01:19:23.119 --> 01:19:27.800 they're knuckleheads, you know, yeah, exactly, but they're his knuckleheads exactly. 1062 01:19:30.439 --> 01:19:34.199 I love Leo's just trying to get rods to Teata on his taxes. 1063 01:19:38.720 --> 01:19:42.039 It's so funny. The boat, by the way, we never see the 1064 01:19:42.039 --> 01:19:45.359 boat in this one, but this is the only movie where we don't actually 1065 01:19:45.359 --> 01:19:47.479 see his boat. Wow. But we at least we get reference to it. 1066 01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:53.000 We get the reference. So Leo is like, he's like, she 1067 01:19:53.119 --> 01:20:01.960 makes me want to buy rubbers. So I definitely remember between movie one and 1068 01:20:02.000 --> 01:20:04.840 movie two, I was like, man, you can just show boobs like 1069 01:20:04.880 --> 01:20:09.600 all the time in movies. It's fantastic. Yeah, that's right. Well, 1070 01:20:09.600 --> 01:20:12.600 it's funny because I had kind of forgotten about that, and then I 1071 01:20:12.640 --> 01:20:15.840 was reading about Joel Silver recently, probably because of Diehard, but it was 1072 01:20:15.880 --> 01:20:20.560 like everyone said, oh, Joel Silver, bombs and boobs yep, literally 1073 01:20:20.600 --> 01:20:24.880 like, yeah, every movie has to have a topless scene. Yeah, 1074 01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:30.399 which is a very kind of eighties thing too, which the very very almost 1075 01:20:30.439 --> 01:20:32.880 silly, gratuitous version of seeing like just boobs on screen. And the reason 1076 01:20:32.920 --> 01:20:35.960 I was thinking about it recently too is I watched the movie Valley Girl for 1077 01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:40.760 the first time, and I was surprised that there were all these boobs in 1078 01:20:40.800 --> 01:20:45.119 the movie. It just felt random, And so I was reading the trivia 1079 01:20:45.159 --> 01:20:48.039 afterwards, and that was a mandate from the producers for the budget. If 1080 01:20:48.039 --> 01:20:53.640 they were going to provide budget for this woman to make the movie Valley Girl, 1081 01:20:53.800 --> 01:20:58.039 there had to be x amount of boobs. Amazing. Doesn't that just 1082 01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:01.840 feel like so nineteen eighty three or something? You know? Like it? 1083 01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:06.119 It really does, because what you realize is that this is the pre internet 1084 01:21:06.159 --> 01:21:13.239 wilderness where you would get your your snippets in your R rated movies, or 1085 01:21:13.279 --> 01:21:15.239 you would sneak a peek at you know, the top shelf at Walden Books 1086 01:21:15.319 --> 01:21:18.840 or whatever. Yeah, it could be a draw the fact that like, 1087 01:21:18.960 --> 01:21:21.880 oh, well, I'm gonna get to see you like a little peek at 1088 01:21:21.920 --> 01:21:26.399 somebody and if this movie. Yeah, basically you know, and that's a 1089 01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:30.399 good point. But you know, Patsy Kensit talked about how like she had 1090 01:21:30.439 --> 01:21:34.560 to be fully nude, but mel Gibson had like a little you know, 1091 01:21:35.000 --> 01:21:40.640 banana hammock or whatever, and I'm like, well, what's that all about, 1092 01:21:40.720 --> 01:21:44.039 Like you know what I mean? Sadly that feels about right, right, 1093 01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:47.720 Yeah, you know, there's been all this talk lately about intimacy coordinators, 1094 01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:51.319 right, and basically, for those of listening are like, what's that. 1095 01:21:51.359 --> 01:21:56.199 It's basically people who are on set during a love scene to just kind 1096 01:21:56.199 --> 01:22:00.439 of make sure everybody's comfortable, right, and let's be honest, by everybody 1097 01:22:00.439 --> 01:22:02.239 really, I mean the women in the scene usually because they're the ones who 1098 01:22:02.279 --> 01:22:08.239 are most often objectified, right sure, sure, And that's the interesting thing 1099 01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:11.560 is you have men talk about the intimacy coordinators, they're like, you know, 1100 01:22:11.680 --> 01:22:14.479 they're just getting in the way of the art and they're trying to but 1101 01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:15.560 the women are always like, man, I'm so glad to have them there. 1102 01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:17.279 I have somebody who's looking out for me, Like you know what I 1103 01:22:17.399 --> 01:22:20.000 mean, Yeah, they have an advocate. I mean you hear all these 1104 01:22:20.039 --> 01:22:25.840 stories about women agreeing to one thing, yeah, and like, Okay, 1105 01:22:25.840 --> 01:22:27.640 this is what I'm willing to do for this movie. And then when they 1106 01:22:27.680 --> 01:22:31.159 show up on set, I'm sure certain producers or directors whoever, actors are 1107 01:22:31.199 --> 01:22:35.239 like, I bet I could coax her into this. Yeah, maybe you 1108 01:22:35.279 --> 01:22:38.520 can get her to take her top off or something like that. And it's 1109 01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:43.000 like there's no one to advocate for them in that situation. And maybe the 1110 01:22:43.039 --> 01:22:45.439 star that she's acting opposite is bigger than her, you know, more has 1111 01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:48.640 more sway or power and so what she's supposed to do. So it's nice, 1112 01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:53.720 yeah, that there's someone there to speak on behalf of everyone, you 1113 01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:58.159 know. Yeah, I mean I mean literally Kate Winslet, like I've read 1114 01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:00.199 interviews with her, Yeah, big star like Kurbs. He's talking about how, 1115 01:23:00.239 --> 01:23:03.239 you know, in her early years, like you know, she did 1116 01:23:03.319 --> 01:23:08.359 nude scenes in more than a few things. And it's just like the feeling 1117 01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:13.279 of just not having anybody who's on your side you know, mm hmmm. 1118 01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:15.479 And it's like, I don't know if you remember recently there was this controversy 1119 01:23:15.520 --> 01:23:20.520 over Frank Frank Langella, right because he got fired from that followed the House 1120 01:23:20.560 --> 01:23:26.720 of Usher, you know, and and I I'll for all, I'll assume 1121 01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:30.560 that maybe he didn't mean any harm, but just his really obliviousness to the 1122 01:23:30.600 --> 01:23:33.760 purpose that an intimacy coordinator serves is I'm like, man, you know, 1123 01:23:33.800 --> 01:23:36.239 it's just you got to catch up with the times, you know, mm 1124 01:23:36.279 --> 01:23:39.479 hmm. It's like, oh, they're getting in the way of my art, 1125 01:23:40.600 --> 01:23:44.159 and think how the other person is thinking that's exactly it, right, 1126 01:23:44.239 --> 01:23:45.640 Like oh no, I want I want to put my hand on her boob 1127 01:23:45.680 --> 01:23:49.600 and he's you know, they're getting in the way of that, you know, 1128 01:23:50.039 --> 01:23:54.359 yeah, yeah, or like this is fun, you know kind of 1129 01:23:54.359 --> 01:23:57.600 it's like, well, yeah, maybe not for everyone here, you know, 1130 01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:03.800 this is also a job, that's exactly it. Yeah yeah, So 1131 01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:08.479 you now now now earlier you were you were you know, you were complaining 1132 01:24:08.520 --> 01:24:12.560 about how rigs just like dragoons, this woman into going and and and you 1133 01:24:12.560 --> 01:24:15.159 know, screwing him. Well, if not for that, he would have 1134 01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:19.840 been killed. So it saved his life. Really it's true. No, 1135 01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:24.880 but that that's just my point. Like she she's obviously interested in him. 1136 01:24:25.119 --> 01:24:29.159 It's just like a funny way to play that scene earlier where she's so resistant 1137 01:24:29.159 --> 01:24:31.159 and he yeah, yeah, rabber by the wrist and pull her other girls 1138 01:24:31.199 --> 01:24:35.039 and he starts making a scene and you know, you know, it's like, 1139 01:24:35.119 --> 01:24:40.159 dude, come on, he's off. Yeah. I I do like 1140 01:24:40.279 --> 01:24:45.960 how the they established the little doggy door thing and that allows for him to 1141 01:24:45.000 --> 01:24:49.920 hear the helicopter noise you know, yep, and uh and an escape through 1142 01:24:49.920 --> 01:24:55.359 the right floor. Yeah. And then also the nail gun we got set 1143 01:24:55.439 --> 01:24:59.560 up as yeahs act, you know, with the house over the garage under 1144 01:24:59.560 --> 01:25:02.319 construction, and then Martaugus to use it as a weapon and he us gets 1145 01:25:02.319 --> 01:25:11.680 to use a one liner that's right, nailed you. Yeah. Now, 1146 01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:15.920 this this scene, there's a very funny parody of it in a National Lampoon's 1147 01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:21.439 Loaded Weapon. I was just thinking about it, right, yep, where 1148 01:25:21.479 --> 01:25:27.439 it's uh they shoot up it turns out to be John McLean's house. Yeah. 1149 01:25:27.479 --> 01:25:31.439 Because Emilio Estevez is playing like a Rigs equivalent, right, and he 1150 01:25:31.479 --> 01:25:35.159 lives in a trailer on the beach and so they shoot it up thinking Steve's 1151 01:25:35.199 --> 01:25:38.319 character is in there. But then yeah, Bruce Willis comes out. He's 1152 01:25:38.319 --> 01:25:43.840 like, hey, no, they're down the road. Yeah. That movie, 1153 01:25:43.840 --> 01:25:46.119 by the way, A Loaded Weapon is the first time like I remember, 1154 01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:50.119 like knowing who Samuel L. Jackson is. Like, that's probably the 1155 01:25:50.399 --> 01:25:57.039 first two, right, Yeah, I think me too, because that would 1156 01:25:57.079 --> 01:26:06.800 have been before Jurassic I'm pretty sure. I am almost certain. Wow, 1157 01:26:06.960 --> 01:26:11.560 wait, you're blowing my mind. So Jurassic I just never thought about it 1158 01:26:11.600 --> 01:26:16.119 was before pulp fiction, that's right. Definitely knew him Samuel Jackson before pulp 1159 01:26:16.159 --> 01:26:20.079 fiction. Yeah, I definitely. I definitely knew him before pulp fiction. 1160 01:26:20.239 --> 01:26:24.960 And and the first time I knew him by name was National Lampoon's Loaded Weapon. 1161 01:26:25.520 --> 01:26:28.399 Wow. Okay, yeah, I don rewatch that. I wonder if 1162 01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:32.079 it's good. I watched it recently. I because when I watched the Lethal 1163 01:26:32.119 --> 01:26:36.000 movies for the first time with my oldest I think right after that we watched 1164 01:26:36.319 --> 01:26:42.680 A Loaded Weapon. Mm hmmm, how was it? It has funny moments. 1165 01:26:42.720 --> 01:26:45.079 I would say, it's not like a naked gun type thing. Sure, 1166 01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:49.520 sure, and maybe we would appreciate it because we're of that. Yes, 1167 01:26:50.319 --> 01:26:55.039 yeah, it maybe not hold up just to anyone, it's it's not. 1168 01:26:55.159 --> 01:26:58.560 Yeah, I would say on the spectrum of those type of parodies, 1169 01:26:58.600 --> 01:27:00.079 I would say, like not another teen movie is probably better, you know. 1170 01:27:00.640 --> 01:27:06.319 Sure, sure in terms of hit hit to miss ratio you know, 1171 01:27:06.800 --> 01:27:12.720 got it, got it. Yeah, I'm curious. You know. I 1172 01:27:12.760 --> 01:27:15.279 hadn't seen this in a while, and for some reason, in my memory 1173 01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:19.399 she died here, okay, and I had forgotten that it's later and it's 1174 01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:25.800 much more disturbing. It really is, Yeah, yeah, it really is. 1175 01:27:28.680 --> 01:27:30.880 Oh. And I had this funny thing last night when I was watching 1176 01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:34.680 this where it looks awesome where Gibson. First you see it in silhouette. 1177 01:27:34.680 --> 01:27:38.239 He's climbing to the top of the trailer with the gun, and you see 1178 01:27:38.239 --> 01:27:41.680 his silhouette which looks really great, almost Hannah Jones like. And then when 1179 01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:45.199 he's on there just like like waving this machine gun, you know, wildly 1180 01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:50.399 and shooting at the helicopter. And I was like, man, I just 1181 01:27:50.479 --> 01:27:53.680 this this image. I don't know how to explain it, but I just 1182 01:27:53.720 --> 01:27:57.880 can't imagine that image or that feeling or whatever that thing evokes for me right 1183 01:27:57.880 --> 01:28:00.800 there. I just don't feel like I see an action movies anymore. Well, 1184 01:28:00.800 --> 01:28:03.640 what's funny is that silhouette shot. Specifically, Richard Donner talked about how 1185 01:28:03.680 --> 01:28:08.640 it kind of came by accident, like you know, either he was up 1186 01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:10.680 there, somebody was up there while they were setting up, and it was 1187 01:28:10.720 --> 01:28:12.560 like, oh my god, that looks great. You know, so they 1188 01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:15.479 have to read the lights and everything just to be able to get that that 1189 01:28:15.560 --> 01:28:18.600 silhouette shot. Oh what was worth it? It was? I agree. 1190 01:28:20.359 --> 01:28:25.760 I love that Rika's concerned about the dog. Well, that's how you know 1191 01:28:25.880 --> 01:28:30.279 she's a good person. Yeah, yep, I just wish Riggs was concerned 1192 01:28:30.279 --> 01:28:32.800 about the fish. That's all I have to say. But it is kind 1193 01:28:32.840 --> 01:28:35.159 of nice, right, I mean, she you can imagine a character that's 1194 01:28:35.159 --> 01:28:41.119 freaked out that she's just escaped a trailer through a trap door and then shut 1195 01:28:41.359 --> 01:28:43.600 shot at by a machine gun fire, and she's like, stop, we 1196 01:28:43.640 --> 01:28:47.520 got to get the dog. Right, that's a partner you want? Well, 1197 01:28:47.560 --> 01:28:49.880 that's kind of I mean, no, no, absolutely, I mean 1198 01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:55.319 I think I mean, really, they've known each other for one really wild 1199 01:28:55.319 --> 01:29:00.920 and crazy afternoon slash evening. That's true, right, And yet you believe 1200 01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:04.000 that they have some kind of a connection that goes beyond just purely sexual though 1201 01:29:04.079 --> 01:29:08.800 I'm sure that's a big part of it too, right, yea, And 1202 01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:13.640 because because the thing is, like, when you think about it, it's 1203 01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:17.680 it's also an indication that he's moved past his wife, his grief from her, 1204 01:29:17.720 --> 01:29:20.159 that he's ready to move on. Right. So then it's like tragedy 1205 01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:27.560 compounded by tragedy, you're right, right, you know, Yeah, which 1206 01:29:27.560 --> 01:29:31.079 is interesting because I guess she originally wasn't going to die, that's right. 1207 01:29:31.199 --> 01:29:35.520 Yeah, Like they shot an ending. Yeah, yah, I've seen it. 1208 01:29:35.720 --> 01:29:39.319 You know. It's it's like Thanksgiving and yeah, yeah you can. 1209 01:29:39.520 --> 01:29:42.640 It's on YouTube. I'm pretty sure. Oh I didn't know that. I'd 1210 01:29:42.640 --> 01:29:44.960 like to see it. Yeah, but yeah, she lived and she's at 1211 01:29:44.960 --> 01:29:47.800 Thanksgiving, yeah, with the with the Murtas with So they shot that earlier 1212 01:29:47.800 --> 01:29:51.399 in the film. But they actually didn't have any idea how the film was 1213 01:29:51.439 --> 01:29:56.239 going to end, so they were leaving a lot of options open. Definitely 1214 01:29:56.399 --> 01:29:59.199 what happened this was a Richard Donner thing. He was like, I think 1215 01:29:59.319 --> 01:30:05.000 Rica should die. Mmm, because it makes you know the third act that 1216 01:30:05.119 --> 01:30:11.840 much more, you know, sort of it drives Riggs his motivation that much 1217 01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:18.760 more yes, which I I do understand because she feels immediate. But it's 1218 01:30:18.760 --> 01:30:23.760 interesting too because they also add the whole connection with his wife. You know 1219 01:30:23.840 --> 01:30:26.800 that that was the assassin he was after, you know, Rigs, but 1220 01:30:26.840 --> 01:30:29.880 he ended up killing his wife and that's pretty big motivation. And then he 1221 01:30:29.960 --> 01:30:31.439 kills all his coworkers. I was like, damn, how many motivations does 1222 01:30:31.439 --> 01:30:36.239 this guy need? But she's the one. I mean, as much as 1223 01:30:36.239 --> 01:30:39.920 we know that they care about their coworkers, we don't really know them, 1224 01:30:39.960 --> 01:30:43.239 and we've you know, we she's the one we get the closest to. 1225 01:30:43.359 --> 01:30:46.439 I suppose in this film we've certainly seen the most of her. That is 1226 01:30:46.520 --> 01:30:54.119 true. That is true. Yeah, it's funny because because when you look 1227 01:30:54.159 --> 01:30:56.560 at the scope of the series as a whole, you're like, yeah, 1228 01:30:56.600 --> 01:31:00.079 but he's got to end up with Lorna, you know, yes, right, 1229 01:31:00.159 --> 01:31:02.720 so there is that, But you're also like, yeah, what did 1230 01:31:02.720 --> 01:31:10.439 Patsy kins that? Ever? Do? She even did she? This is 1231 01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:15.039 a great moment right here. I was thinking about how like this guy is 1232 01:31:15.079 --> 01:31:18.520 like Riggs as arch enemy, you know, like without even realizing it. 1233 01:31:18.920 --> 01:31:25.000 Mm hmmmm, right, And and you know, when you think about it, 1234 01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:28.439 it could have. It could have been like, oh, come on, 1235 01:31:28.640 --> 01:31:34.279 what are the odds? M But I totally track with it that just 1236 01:31:34.359 --> 01:31:38.720 somehow, by a fluke, Riggs ended up crossing pads once again with the 1237 01:31:38.760 --> 01:31:43.359 guy who killed his wife, you know, so like yeah, yeah, 1238 01:31:43.399 --> 01:31:45.279 you know, and he even says, I'm the guy who changed the course 1239 01:31:45.279 --> 01:31:47.520 of your life. It's like everything that Riggs is now is because of what 1240 01:31:47.520 --> 01:31:55.479 what what Peter over there did? Yeah, and it helps that there's that, 1241 01:31:55.960 --> 01:31:59.600 as you pointed out earlier, that little setup when they cross pads in 1242 01:31:59.640 --> 01:32:08.159 the middle, like wait, ras here Martins, Yeah, we got a 1243 01:32:08.159 --> 01:32:15.960 straight jacket. Normally I'd be concerned, but uh, we know he can 1244 01:32:16.000 --> 01:32:18.800 do that whole shoulder thing, which seems like it would be very very painful. 1245 01:32:19.760 --> 01:32:21.960 I was, I was thinking that. I was like, you know, 1246 01:32:26.039 --> 01:32:29.600 that just seems like something that you wouldn't you wouldn't want to be put 1247 01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:31.520 in that position of having to do again and again. You know, well, 1248 01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:36.880 Zachie, I'm not a doctor, and I don't understand how this works. 1249 01:32:36.880 --> 01:32:41.680 But I also think they're like tendons and all sorts of things you just 1250 01:32:41.680 --> 01:32:44.319 don't want to with, you know, Like, I don't know what's being 1251 01:32:44.359 --> 01:32:46.760 messed with when you pop your arm out of socket. Yeah, that's right. 1252 01:32:47.119 --> 01:32:50.720 That look at that shot, by the way, freaking horrifying. Actually 1253 01:32:51.159 --> 01:32:56.479 made me. It stirred me to anger last night seeing her like absolutely, 1254 01:32:56.640 --> 01:33:00.199 it was really bothersome and it may you know, I maybe Donna was right. 1255 01:33:00.439 --> 01:33:02.600 Maybe Donna was right. It made me really really mad, and I 1256 01:33:02.640 --> 01:33:06.439 wanted to see him and I understood and knowing that that whole Stilts scene was 1257 01:33:06.439 --> 01:33:09.600 coming up, you know, with the house and pulls it down, and 1258 01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:15.199 that is just pure unadulterated anger. I was starting to well up with that 1259 01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:20.479 from seeing her like that underwater. So but the guy he's choking right there, 1260 01:33:20.560 --> 01:33:26.279 that's Sherman Howard. He played Lex Luthor on the syndicated super Boy television 1261 01:33:26.279 --> 01:33:31.840 series Oh Wow. He was also in the Seinfeld the Junior Mint episode where 1262 01:33:32.079 --> 01:33:35.439 he's the guy being operated on and they accidentally drop a junior mint into him. 1263 01:33:35.560 --> 01:33:41.680 Oh really, Oh wow, he's the guy. Wow. But no, 1264 01:33:42.039 --> 01:33:45.239 what I was saying about the when you see Rica's body under the water, 1265 01:33:45.279 --> 01:33:50.920 that was actually Patsy Kensitt with her eyes and mouth open underwater, wow, 1266 01:33:51.600 --> 01:33:56.760 which like I mean, she looks completely dead, and yet when you 1267 01:33:56.800 --> 01:33:58.920 think about it, like, had that been a dummy, I don't think 1268 01:33:58.960 --> 01:34:02.479 it would have been as effective as actually seeing Patsy Kensitt under there. So 1269 01:34:03.760 --> 01:34:08.319 yep, agreed. Man, that must have been not fun to shoot, 1270 01:34:08.399 --> 01:34:13.159 not fun at all. But you definitely get a sense for her character. 1271 01:34:13.199 --> 01:34:15.319 I mean, assuming the characters the same age as the actor, I mean, 1272 01:34:15.319 --> 01:34:18.560 she's this twenty one year old kid who just had her life snuffed out 1273 01:34:18.600 --> 01:34:27.439 for no reason, you know, right right? He plays this really well 1274 01:34:27.479 --> 01:34:30.479 too, I'm mel Gibson. Man, he's a good actor. I mean, 1275 01:34:30.520 --> 01:34:34.680 I'm telling you. We've talked about this before of like having to separate 1276 01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:41.720 art from artists, and admittedly it's hard with mel Gibson, but we do 1277 01:34:41.840 --> 01:34:45.760 sort of put the lethal movies in their own little box. I can't do 1278 01:34:45.840 --> 01:34:49.520 it for everyone, but I somehow can do it for these. Yeah, 1279 01:34:49.520 --> 01:34:53.880 he's for these movies. This is Martin Riggs. You know that's right, 1280 01:34:54.359 --> 01:34:58.039 mel Gibson. Maybe because he looks so much and when he was sort of 1281 01:34:58.119 --> 01:35:01.920 outed for the hatred e carries in his heart, like he looks different now 1282 01:35:02.720 --> 01:35:06.319 that wild Salt and pepper Beard and all that, you know. So I 1283 01:35:06.359 --> 01:35:10.840 don't know, like I can keep Martin as Martin. Now, I think 1284 01:35:10.840 --> 01:35:15.680 you're right, and it's it's it's challenging, you know, but I think 1285 01:35:15.720 --> 01:35:18.159 if nothing else, it just speaks to, certainly for me, the special 1286 01:35:18.159 --> 01:35:23.119 place I have in my heart for these films that could be a two. 1287 01:35:23.359 --> 01:35:28.000 I mean, maybe our introduction to these movies they got locked in in a 1288 01:35:28.039 --> 01:35:30.479 way. Yeah, maybe someone today couldn't do the same. I don't know. 1289 01:35:32.119 --> 01:35:36.960 I think honestly that's a big reason why I would rather not have a 1290 01:35:38.000 --> 01:35:42.399 fifth one. Yeah, especially at this point. Just let these movies exist 1291 01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:48.800 as a thing that you know that was then, you know, m you 1292 01:35:48.840 --> 01:35:54.000 know, I love that. By the way, with Murtap putting his badge 1293 01:35:54.199 --> 01:35:59.000 into his desk, yeah, because that has become such a trope like throw 1294 01:35:59.079 --> 01:36:00.479 your badge away, I'm not a cop right now kind of a thing. 1295 01:36:00.840 --> 01:36:04.119 But the way that it's played here, it almost feels like the first time 1296 01:36:04.159 --> 01:36:06.520 it's happened, where it's like, wow, that's a big deal for that 1297 01:36:06.680 --> 01:36:11.960 character, right, willing to put his badge away, you know, to 1298 01:36:12.279 --> 01:36:15.880 to help his partner. Like it feels very dramatic, but it's funny that 1299 01:36:15.920 --> 01:36:18.039 it's become now something that you know, gets kind of parodied, you know, 1300 01:36:18.119 --> 01:36:21.279 sort of you get like, you know, Keano throwing his badge in 1301 01:36:21.279 --> 01:36:25.439 the ocean and point break and those are yeah right, But I love how 1302 01:36:25.439 --> 01:36:28.159 it's played here. I buy it, and it feels like it has weight 1303 01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:30.960 well and and it sort of it gives a sense that, you know, 1304 01:36:32.439 --> 01:36:34.960 if if these people are going to be brought to justice, it's going to 1305 01:36:35.039 --> 01:36:41.960 require extra extra legal means. Mm hmmm, because the law can't stop them. 1306 01:36:42.279 --> 01:36:45.760 Yeah. And dude, I mean going back to Gibson, man, 1307 01:36:45.840 --> 01:36:51.399 he does tortured so well mm hmm. You know, I thinking of signs 1308 01:36:51.439 --> 01:36:56.640 even as the next thing that comes to mind just the carrying the pains silently 1309 01:36:56.680 --> 01:36:59.279 in that movie and then at the end when he's basically just like letting it 1310 01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:02.800 all out with us o. Man. Yeah. Oh so dude. In 1311 01:37:02.920 --> 01:37:09.399 Braveheart, remember when he realizes that it's Robert the Bruce who was who's attacking 1312 01:37:09.479 --> 01:37:14.199 him? Yeah? Remember that? Yeah? Yeah, and just and it 1313 01:37:14.319 --> 01:37:17.680 remember is it just he just feels defeated and then he lies down remember mm 1314 01:37:17.720 --> 01:37:19.920 hmm. Oh, man, I haven't watched that in a while, though. 1315 01:37:20.920 --> 01:37:26.279 It's it's been it's been a it's been a bit. Yeah. Yeah, 1316 01:37:26.319 --> 01:37:29.479 but I love this like he's and he's got a plan to yep. 1317 01:37:30.680 --> 01:37:32.640 Just look at their their body language, you know what I mean, Like 1318 01:37:32.720 --> 01:37:35.880 him in this truck like pretty much with his hands on the wheel here like 1319 01:37:36.479 --> 01:37:42.239 ready to activate out of anger. And you got Morta like leaning against the 1320 01:37:42.239 --> 01:37:46.079 car like what's the plan? Man, I'll do it? But like what's 1321 01:37:46.119 --> 01:37:50.279 the plan? Yeah, that's right, that's the signal. You'll know when 1322 01:37:50.319 --> 01:38:00.039 it happens. So the Still house they had to they had to build it. 1323 01:38:00.159 --> 01:38:02.439 Oh okay. I wondered if it was like an abandoned house or something 1324 01:38:02.520 --> 01:38:08.319 that they demolished, so they at least built up the facade with the stilts 1325 01:38:08.359 --> 01:38:11.680 on it. But I mean that was that was one of those numbers where 1326 01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:15.600 when it came to pulling it down, I mean they had one shot to 1327 01:38:15.600 --> 01:38:19.079 get it right, right, that's one take. You better hope you get 1328 01:38:19.119 --> 01:38:23.600 it right on the first one, otherwise you're screwed. You know. Yeah, 1329 01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:26.920 you know, I even wondered, and it looks fantastic. I wouldn't 1330 01:38:26.960 --> 01:38:29.079 know, but I did wonder. I was like, is there some model 1331 01:38:29.119 --> 01:38:33.880 work going on here or I think so, yeah, it looks epic, 1332 01:38:33.920 --> 01:38:39.920 and I mean, you know, not to rag on movies these days, 1333 01:38:39.960 --> 01:38:44.600 because they're spectacular in their own ways, but they're just so wall to wall 1334 01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:47.800 filled with amazing things that are accomplished. Like we don't even question anything anymore 1335 01:38:48.319 --> 01:38:51.119 because we know you can do anything with a computer. So it's just like, 1336 01:38:51.960 --> 01:38:54.479 okay, yeah, of course, you know, of course you can 1337 01:38:54.520 --> 01:38:58.319 do the global planet, you can whatever. But like seeing this is like, 1338 01:38:58.359 --> 01:39:01.479 holy crap, watch like a house get torn down. Yeah, exactly, 1339 01:39:01.479 --> 01:39:04.359 down a hill. It feels still watching this thirty five year old movie. 1340 01:39:04.439 --> 01:39:10.119 This feels big and dangerous. And I think you're right. Yeah, 1341 01:39:10.239 --> 01:39:16.479 yeah, I think you're absolutely right. There's you know when when when the 1342 01:39:16.520 --> 01:39:21.119 Shenanigans start and you've just got Leo so pitifully like at least moved me away 1343 01:39:21.119 --> 01:39:27.640 from the window. Yeah, like, oh poor Leo. I know, 1344 01:39:28.039 --> 01:39:32.560 I know, it's I I think Leo. It's like he is so lovable, 1345 01:39:32.800 --> 01:39:35.880 Like how can you not love Leo? Yeah, you know, I 1346 01:39:35.960 --> 01:39:40.279 like that they don't give him like quirks that are kind of gross, right 1347 01:39:40.479 --> 01:39:44.239 right, Like I'm glad they didn't make him like a pervert, e racist 1348 01:39:44.720 --> 01:39:47.000 or something to give him some sort of edge. You know, he's just 1349 01:39:47.800 --> 01:39:51.239 it's kind of a funny, quirky, sweet guy who happens to be a 1350 01:39:51.239 --> 01:39:54.239 criminal. But yeah, I was gonna say, yeah, who happens to 1351 01:39:54.279 --> 01:39:59.520 have illegitimate business. But yeah, but even wanting using that, you know, 1352 01:39:59.560 --> 01:40:01.680 it's a fun character thing. Then for him to want to help Murta 1353 01:40:01.840 --> 01:40:08.239 cheat on his taxes because he's he likes him exactly right for him, he's 1354 01:40:08.239 --> 01:40:15.640 doing it in a favor. It is funny when it comes to Leo because 1355 01:40:15.680 --> 01:40:17.880 like coming up right here is basically where he exits the story, right, 1356 01:40:17.920 --> 01:40:24.800 and so so they had to contrive new ways to bring Leo in, you 1357 01:40:24.840 --> 01:40:26.960 know. So, oh, he's a realtor in the next one, and 1358 01:40:27.000 --> 01:40:30.239 then in the next one he's a PI you know, that's right. I 1359 01:40:30.319 --> 01:40:40.520 kind of forgot about it. Yeah, man, that would have been really 1360 01:40:40.520 --> 01:40:44.880 cool to see something like that, Like like if you lived in the neighborhood, 1361 01:40:44.920 --> 01:40:46.520 you could watch it from your window and watch this thing crash down a 1362 01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:49.600 hill. That's I mean, I mean not just this house, but like 1363 01:40:49.680 --> 01:40:53.000 earlier, the house with cavan On those other cops in it. I mean, 1364 01:40:53.000 --> 01:40:56.119 that's a real house that they had to blow up, right, you 1365 01:40:56.159 --> 01:40:58.880 know, And there's no fake in that, you know. It just it. 1366 01:40:59.359 --> 01:41:04.399 You can tell that looks great. I was watching something newer recently and 1367 01:41:04.479 --> 01:41:06.920 you could tell there was like a fire inside a house and you could tell 1368 01:41:06.920 --> 01:41:11.760 it was fake. And that I'm not going to criticize that, like it's 1369 01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:15.600 maybe it's a safety issue, maybe they don't have the budget. It is 1370 01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:20.520 what it is. But there is something undeniable about watching like a house really 1371 01:41:20.520 --> 01:41:26.039 blow up and go whoa, Like, right, it's a neighborhood. I 1372 01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:28.399 don't know, there's just something so oh here, here you go. This 1373 01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:32.880 is the yeah, the requisite lethal weapon adr over a car driving at a 1374 01:41:32.920 --> 01:41:38.560 distance scenes and and Donner has talked about this. He's literally like, you 1375 01:41:38.600 --> 01:41:42.000 know, when you're just trying to cut this thing together and you're trying to 1376 01:41:42.399 --> 01:41:45.439 just get rid of the fat, and it's like, what's the quickest way 1377 01:41:45.439 --> 01:41:48.399 to do that? You know, you just you're just throw in some adr 1378 01:41:48.960 --> 01:41:55.600 overdriving mm hmm. It's something yeah, I mean I think, I mean 1379 01:41:55.640 --> 01:41:58.359 we sort of joke about it as as a trope of these things, but 1380 01:41:58.439 --> 01:42:01.039 you know what, there's no denying it's an effective way of getting us from 1381 01:42:01.039 --> 01:42:04.640 point A to point B, you know, mm hmmmm hmm. And maybe 1382 01:42:04.960 --> 01:42:09.680 maybe it is I don't know, not well done or something, but I'm 1383 01:42:09.720 --> 01:42:12.079 endeared to it because it's in all the movies, so like, I think 1384 01:42:12.319 --> 01:42:20.600 it is a part of this series. I totally agree. Yeah, Wow, 1385 01:42:20.640 --> 01:42:24.720 it's crazy that we're already here. Geez. I Actually I was gonna 1386 01:42:24.760 --> 01:42:30.039 say, and this is flown and I just watched this last night and I'm 1387 01:42:30.039 --> 01:42:33.359 like loving it all over again. Yeah. I mean, I think that 1388 01:42:34.600 --> 01:42:38.680 the trick with with these films is you really you have to come up with 1389 01:42:39.239 --> 01:42:42.720 you have to contrive an antagonist who's really awful, and so you look forward 1390 01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:45.479 to seeing their their demise, you know. And I think I think that 1391 01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:48.560 works at the first one with with General McAllister and Mister Joshua. I think 1392 01:42:48.600 --> 01:42:54.520 equally here with with U. A. Rudd and forestat I think I think 1393 01:42:54.600 --> 01:42:57.319 that's where the third one kind of fell down a little bit, which, 1394 01:42:57.520 --> 01:43:00.720 you know, I don't. I don't think the bad guy, who's played 1395 01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:05.000 by Stuart Wilson is as memorable, you know, as I recall, he's 1396 01:43:05.039 --> 01:43:12.800 the one you're always like, who's he again? Yeah, I remember elements 1397 01:43:12.840 --> 01:43:15.039 of that movie, but it just as a whole. I don't know why 1398 01:43:15.079 --> 01:43:18.399 it just doesn't stick in my mind very well. I think for me, 1399 01:43:18.560 --> 01:43:25.399 lethal Weapon three is the third one like that. That's yes, sure, 1400 01:43:26.159 --> 01:43:29.760 it's It's just it's another chance to hang out with with Riggs and Murta, 1401 01:43:29.920 --> 01:43:34.000 you know. And and it's the third bye by it it's it's episodic, 1402 01:43:34.159 --> 01:43:39.439 you know. Mm hm oh. We were talking about this scene earlier. 1403 01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:45.000 Yes, love this now. This is exactly like you could have easily just 1404 01:43:45.039 --> 01:43:47.119 cut this out just you don't even have to have it right, and yet 1405 01:43:47.119 --> 01:43:53.039 you you present us with rog has this money, He's like this, this 1406 01:43:53.199 --> 01:43:57.399 handful of bills will put all my kids through college. And yet you have 1407 01:43:57.600 --> 01:44:00.560 him say I won't. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not going to 1408 01:44:00.600 --> 01:44:03.079 take drug money, right m hm. And I was thinking about, like, 1409 01:44:03.079 --> 01:44:06.279 think about how much that matters just in terms of like how we look 1410 01:44:06.359 --> 01:44:13.600 up to characters, right and you're you're presenting heroes on screen who do the 1411 01:44:13.720 --> 01:44:17.800 right thing, and how much just in terms of of defining morality, how 1412 01:44:17.880 --> 01:44:23.039 much how important that is? You know? I love it for that. 1413 01:44:23.119 --> 01:44:27.479 And also the temptation is there, like he's not some straight laced he's the 1414 01:44:27.479 --> 01:44:30.079 straight laced one. He would never you know, it's like no, he's 1415 01:44:30.079 --> 01:44:34.640 tempted, like he's tempted, but but ultimately like, no, I mean, 1416 01:44:34.680 --> 01:44:39.319 he could easily put that in his pocket, and even Riggs just like 1417 01:44:39.640 --> 01:44:43.079 drug money, just do it, just do it. Yeah you could if 1418 01:44:43.079 --> 01:44:47.439 you want to. Nope, but yeah, I mean yeah, I just 1419 01:44:47.479 --> 01:44:51.960 think I think it's it's it's important to and I'm not saying there can't be 1420 01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:55.159 anti heroes and things like That's not what I'm saying, but I'm saying I 1421 01:44:55.159 --> 01:44:59.039 think it's just as important to have heroes we can look up to, just 1422 01:44:59.039 --> 01:45:04.159 just unabashedly. I agree. I agree. I know sometimes you know, 1423 01:45:04.199 --> 01:45:10.920 we get these movies where everybody's gray, and that's interesting too, But at 1424 01:45:11.000 --> 01:45:15.199 least for these movies, I do love. I love that I can look 1425 01:45:15.279 --> 01:45:17.079 up to them in a lot of ways. Exactly, yeah, exactly, 1426 01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:23.920 And we're gonna get to it. But when Riggs has the opportunity, opportunity 1427 01:45:23.960 --> 01:45:26.840 to basically stab that one guy to death, you know what I mean, 1428 01:45:26.880 --> 01:45:30.600 Like it's it's not in some sort of like ventul whatever sort of way. 1429 01:45:30.640 --> 01:45:33.479 He ultimately squashes him when he has to. Mm hmm, you know what 1430 01:45:33.479 --> 01:45:35.960 I mean, Like he could just drop that thing on him if he wanted 1431 01:45:36.000 --> 01:45:39.720 and smile and we're like, yeah, he got him, but it's like 1432 01:45:39.800 --> 01:45:45.000 a necessity that he does the extreme thing. Yeah. Well, it's similar 1433 01:45:45.039 --> 01:45:48.279 to to in the first film, right where he can he can break Joshua's 1434 01:45:48.279 --> 01:45:50.520 neck, but he's like, no, he's not worth it. Ah. 1435 01:45:53.720 --> 01:45:57.000 Yeah, I think I talk about that a lot. Actually, Like I 1436 01:45:57.279 --> 01:46:01.359 I find myself sometimes watching movies like this getting a little bloodlust and like I'm 1437 01:46:01.399 --> 01:46:03.560 thinking, I want you to do it. I want you to do that 1438 01:46:03.560 --> 01:46:06.840 because that'll make me feel better. And then when the hero doesn't, I 1439 01:46:06.920 --> 01:46:11.960 always go, yes, no, that is what I really want. That's 1440 01:46:11.960 --> 01:46:14.920 what my soul wants, and I'm glad they did the right thing. It 1441 01:46:14.920 --> 01:46:17.840 makes me feel better. Yeah, No, I think you're dead on you 1442 01:46:17.840 --> 01:46:21.880 know. I mean it's like, you know, I mean, I've seen 1443 01:46:21.920 --> 01:46:26.720 this movie. I don't even know how many times I've seen it, and 1444 01:46:26.720 --> 01:46:30.479 and yet rewatching it for this track, that scene, that bit with Roger 1445 01:46:30.119 --> 01:46:33.800 saying no drug money, I'm not gonna do this here. By the way, 1446 01:46:34.439 --> 01:46:39.479 I always find this interesting how you hear Riggs saying the names of all 1447 01:46:39.520 --> 01:46:41.800 the people who are killed. But it's just like part of the soundtrack, 1448 01:46:43.960 --> 01:46:46.560 you know, what's funny. I remember thinking I did not understand it last 1449 01:46:46.640 --> 01:46:49.279 night, and I was almost gonna rewind it and put the captioning on, 1450 01:46:49.439 --> 01:46:55.600 and I didn't. I didn't actually catch that. Yeah, it's something I 1451 01:46:56.279 --> 01:46:59.039 noticed it a while ago. I mean, you know, but I'm like, 1452 01:46:59.079 --> 01:47:03.960 that's an interesting choice, right, Like, like I'm not saying it's 1453 01:47:03.960 --> 01:47:06.600 good or bad. I just that, Yeah, it's kind of it's kind 1454 01:47:06.600 --> 01:47:11.760 of different, you know. Yeah, you know, it is kind of 1455 01:47:11.760 --> 01:47:14.239 interesting though, And I wrote it down last night because I didn't want to 1456 01:47:14.239 --> 01:47:17.840 forget it. If this movie were made now, I don't know that I 1457 01:47:17.840 --> 01:47:20.760 would call this movie gritty. I wouldn't go so far as to call it 1458 01:47:20.760 --> 01:47:25.199 gritty. Maybe the first one I would, But like it is, there's 1459 01:47:25.239 --> 01:47:28.960 a lot of darkness in it, Like there's a lot of violence for as 1460 01:47:29.079 --> 01:47:31.520 funny and a fun time as you're having. Yes, you know, it's 1461 01:47:31.560 --> 01:47:35.479 like a really interesting tone that I don't know a lot of people could pull 1462 01:47:35.520 --> 01:47:39.279 off, and even now, if anyone would want to try, they would 1463 01:47:39.359 --> 01:47:43.359 just go straight for the fun the fun stuff, you know, and the 1464 01:47:43.399 --> 01:47:45.960 action is sort of just more opportunity for more fun stuff, you know. 1465 01:47:46.520 --> 01:47:50.600 And I kind of like this weird concoction they've come up with. It makes 1466 01:47:50.640 --> 01:47:56.039 it feel dangerous and dark, but ultimately satisfying when they pull through at the 1467 01:47:56.159 --> 01:47:58.920 end, and when they're laughing at each other's arms covered in blood, you're 1468 01:47:59.119 --> 01:48:01.880 you're laughing with beef, you know, with relief. Yeah. Yeah, 1469 01:48:02.560 --> 01:48:05.119 it's amazing. I can't think of any other movies quite like it, to 1470 01:48:05.119 --> 01:48:10.720 be honest, this combination, Yeah, well, I think I think the 1471 01:48:10.720 --> 01:48:14.039 the balancing of tones. I mean, it's it's balanced on a razor's edge, 1472 01:48:14.079 --> 01:48:18.119 you know. And and I think that's where the third one feels a 1473 01:48:18.159 --> 01:48:23.479 little bit more superficial, you know, m hm. And and maybe that's 1474 01:48:23.520 --> 01:48:26.239 why people like it less. I don't. I just view it as like, 1475 01:48:26.279 --> 01:48:28.840 again, it's just another chance to hang out with our friends. But 1476 01:48:28.840 --> 01:48:31.479 but I mean, I think in terms of the internal struggle that this one 1477 01:48:31.520 --> 01:48:36.039 gives Rigs in terms of what this guy represents. So he's fighting and and 1478 01:48:36.119 --> 01:48:40.560 I mean this fight is very similar to the Rigs versus Joshua fight right in 1479 01:48:40.600 --> 01:48:45.600 movie one. Yeah. Yeah, that said, you know, I would 1480 01:48:45.600 --> 01:48:51.479 have liked something earlier to establish Vorstad as like a physical threat. Hmmm, 1481 01:48:53.840 --> 01:48:59.600 you know what I mean, Like just something sure like you see him training 1482 01:48:59.720 --> 01:49:05.159 or something. It's just something like maybe like nude in a hotel room. 1483 01:49:05.680 --> 01:49:13.000 He's doing T T. Yeah, maybe the Renny Harlan was onto something with 1484 01:49:13.039 --> 01:49:15.479 Diehard to Yeah maybe you know, no, no, I understand what you're 1485 01:49:15.479 --> 01:49:24.239 saying. Yeah. So now, as written the original, the Shane Black 1486 01:49:24.319 --> 01:49:28.800 version, the character the Vorstad character who was named something else, his name 1487 01:49:28.840 --> 01:49:31.880 is Benedict. In Shane Black's script, he would have stabbed Riggs to death. 1488 01:49:31.920 --> 01:49:38.199 So Riggs kills him and then he bleeds out and as it was going 1489 01:49:38.279 --> 01:49:41.920 to be on a fire, like a brush fire on a hillside. That's 1490 01:49:42.000 --> 01:49:45.920 right, And and the movie would end with Roger watching a video that Riggs 1491 01:49:45.960 --> 01:49:53.520 recorded for him, knowing he was about to die. Right. And Shane 1492 01:49:53.520 --> 01:49:59.039 Black has said it's the best thing he's ever written. Yeah. Yeah, 1493 01:49:59.079 --> 01:50:03.359 and however, no one has ever sorry, no one's ever read it. 1494 01:50:03.359 --> 01:50:06.359 It's like, no, you know, it's it's like the one of the 1495 01:50:06.399 --> 01:50:11.560 great unreleased screenplays. Yes, because the first lethal weapon I think is kind 1496 01:50:11.560 --> 01:50:15.479 of famously out there, like a lot of people read it because the writing 1497 01:50:15.520 --> 01:50:18.079 is so fun. Shane Black, his action is so pithy. Yeah, 1498 01:50:18.079 --> 01:50:24.920 but uh yeah, yes, of course, we have to we have to 1499 01:50:24.960 --> 01:50:30.159 give proper, proper respect to Roger's great moment right here. Well here I'll 1500 01:50:30.199 --> 01:50:34.800 be I'll be the bad guy. Diplomatic immunity, it's just been revoked. 1501 01:50:38.680 --> 01:50:42.000 You know, when I worked at Puppy Dog Pals, Sean who was the 1502 01:50:42.039 --> 01:50:44.840 EP on that show, Sean Coyle, our friend. Yeah, he put 1503 01:50:44.880 --> 01:50:49.039 a picture of Denny Clover with that gun, that that shot of him cracking 1504 01:50:49.079 --> 01:50:54.920 his neck on my door, like unspoken one day. And it's funny because 1505 01:50:54.920 --> 01:50:57.239 I showed up and I saw that on my door and I was like, 1506 01:50:57.520 --> 01:51:00.600 Sean, like I just knew immediately, Sean, but there, that's so 1507 01:51:00.720 --> 01:51:04.920 funny. Yeah. Sorry you were saying about Shane Black, No, but 1508 01:51:05.000 --> 01:51:12.479 I think he saw he didn't like the way that Riggs continued as a character, 1509 01:51:12.640 --> 01:51:15.520 saying he basically he changed. That was not the character he created, 1510 01:51:15.640 --> 01:51:19.159 where he becomes more of the sort of three Stooges, fun action cop guy. 1511 01:51:19.399 --> 01:51:23.359 You know, he's like a tortured guy. And I think what you 1512 01:51:23.399 --> 01:51:28.000 were just saying, where he dies to protect Murta so he can go live 1513 01:51:28.039 --> 01:51:31.399 with his family. Black saw that as well. He sacrificed. Riggs is 1514 01:51:31.479 --> 01:51:35.800 ultimately sacrificing himself, which would be the last thing that he can do to 1515 01:51:36.279 --> 01:51:41.800 finally find peace. Right now, that's that iteration of the character that was 1516 01:51:41.840 --> 01:51:45.359 still living in Shane Black's mind. But I think Donner and everyone else was 1517 01:51:45.439 --> 01:51:48.920 kind of like, well, I mean, obviously there's a franchise to think 1518 01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:54.000 about continuing with more movies with the character. But also it's like, well, 1519 01:51:54.000 --> 01:51:57.760 maybe maybe he doesn't need to do that. Maybe they can still continue 1520 01:51:57.800 --> 01:52:02.399 their bond in a different way. Yeah, well that's really the thing, 1521 01:52:02.560 --> 01:52:09.960 right is is And even as so, this version of the script had two 1522 01:52:10.039 --> 01:52:14.680 endings, one where Riggs dies and one where he doesn't, and Donner shot 1523 01:52:14.680 --> 01:52:16.760 it both ways, and they ultimately just left it up to the audience testing, 1524 01:52:16.960 --> 01:52:20.800 and the audience was not on board for the version where Riggs dies. 1525 01:52:21.520 --> 01:52:27.279 And you understand that because this movie as it has existed up to this point 1526 01:52:27.359 --> 01:52:34.119 does not justify that ending. Yeah, yeah, you know, because it's 1527 01:52:34.199 --> 01:52:38.199 I mean, you know what I mean. It's just I'm I'm all for 1528 01:52:38.279 --> 01:52:44.279 a sad ending if it's a truthful ending, but this is not that movie. 1529 01:52:45.640 --> 01:52:47.920 No, I agree, you know. So, like this song right 1530 01:52:47.960 --> 01:52:51.359 here, knocking on Heaven's Door in that version, it would have played over 1531 01:52:51.399 --> 01:52:57.720 the end credits. Wow. So instead they play it earlier to kind of 1532 01:52:57.760 --> 01:53:01.760 fake the audience out right. Wow. But like, but but the you 1533 01:53:01.760 --> 01:53:04.359 know, the crane shot that we have coming up where you see you know, 1534 01:53:04.560 --> 01:53:10.520 Rigs in Roger's arms, that that's that's dead Rigs. Yeah, I 1535 01:53:10.560 --> 01:53:13.840 read that. That's yeah, from the ending where he died. That's amazing, 1536 01:53:14.479 --> 01:53:18.039 isn't that crazy? Yeah? But this, I mean, come on, 1537 01:53:18.159 --> 01:53:23.960 even with a sound off, watching Rigs and Myrta's arms covered in blood 1538 01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:27.239 and they're just joking. He's been shot up and stabbed. He's like, 1539 01:53:27.319 --> 01:53:30.319 he needs to go to a hospital, but they're just cracking each other up. 1540 01:53:30.000 --> 01:53:34.319 Yep. It's just so heartwarming. Yeah. Like, and so if 1541 01:53:34.359 --> 01:53:38.399 you imagine that, like Riggs is actually dead there, you know, it's 1542 01:53:38.439 --> 01:53:41.479 like, no, I don't want that. No. I actually, now 1543 01:53:41.479 --> 01:53:44.800 that I think about it, that being potentially the last shot of the movie, 1544 01:53:44.840 --> 01:53:48.239 I can't even wrap my head around that. That'd be so depressing exactly, 1545 01:53:48.640 --> 01:53:51.920 you know. So so you know, it's funny because normally you rail 1546 01:53:51.960 --> 01:53:56.760 against audience tests because it's like, you know, oftentimes they're giving like really 1547 01:53:56.800 --> 01:54:01.039 stupid notes and whatever. But i'vebviously the audience was right on this one, 1548 01:54:01.159 --> 01:54:08.600 you know, I think so. Yeah. Wow. And by the way, 1549 01:54:08.600 --> 01:54:11.520 if you want to see a dead rigs, just watch a season two 1550 01:54:11.880 --> 01:54:15.520 the season two finale of the Lethal Weapon television series. Yeah right, they 1551 01:54:15.640 --> 01:54:21.760 croak him, good man. That's so sad that that a train wreck. 1552 01:54:23.199 --> 01:54:27.239 It really like it. It started out very promisingly, and it's unfortunate. 1553 01:54:28.439 --> 01:54:30.800 I wanted to mention, by the way, we didn't talk. We didn't 1554 01:54:30.800 --> 01:54:32.039 mention him at all. But Michael Cayman, who came back to do the 1555 01:54:32.119 --> 01:54:36.840 music, I think. I think that the combination of Michael Cayman plus Eric 1556 01:54:36.840 --> 01:54:42.199 Clapton and David Sanborn, they just they created such a unique musical identity for 1557 01:54:42.239 --> 01:54:46.319 these films that carries on through the entirety of them. You know, totally, 1558 01:54:47.600 --> 01:54:53.520 totally. I love it. I miss those orchestral scores in action films. 1559 01:54:55.520 --> 01:55:00.399 Yeah, well I miss Michael Caman. Yeah, you know again, 1560 01:55:00.399 --> 01:55:03.039 he's another one. He died too young. Yeah, yeah, that die 1561 01:55:03.079 --> 01:55:06.359 Hard, of course, die Hard. And he did Robin Hood, Prince 1562 01:55:06.359 --> 01:55:13.119 of Thieves, and and and The Dead Zone. Actually he really created a 1563 01:55:13.159 --> 01:55:18.720 distinct musical identity for eighties action cinema just as much as John Williams typified sort 1564 01:55:18.720 --> 01:55:25.319 of eighties fantasies. You know, mm hmmmm, but Lethal Weapon too are 1565 01:55:25.439 --> 01:55:30.520 What are your closing thoughts? You know, I had I've seen it a 1566 01:55:30.520 --> 01:55:34.720 handful of times. I thought I remembered it pretty well, but revisiting it 1567 01:55:34.800 --> 01:55:40.000 last night, I was surprised how much I felt while I was watching it 1568 01:55:40.079 --> 01:55:43.800 and even after it ended. I mean that ending really really touched me. 1569 01:55:44.319 --> 01:55:49.319 Like these two guys, like and the bond that they have and them just 1570 01:55:49.479 --> 01:55:54.079 kind of cackling, you know, covered in blood after what they've been through, 1571 01:55:54.199 --> 01:55:57.479 is just so freaking heartwarming, just like the male love. You just 1572 01:55:57.479 --> 01:55:59.800 don't see it a lot, or at least Downbearius. That's really true. 1573 01:56:00.119 --> 01:56:02.840 That's really true. Yeah, And it's just done so well, and it's 1574 01:56:04.039 --> 01:56:06.840 I don't know, the movie was rattling around in my mind long after I 1575 01:56:08.159 --> 01:56:12.520 finished it, and I don't feel like and and like I said, the 1576 01:56:12.800 --> 01:56:16.760 feeling that I get from those two guys, the love that's completely on screen 1577 01:56:16.840 --> 01:56:23.760 between them, combined with this like really crazy R rated action that feels really 1578 01:56:23.880 --> 01:56:26.840 dangerous and real, and it was just it's the whole package. And I 1579 01:56:26.880 --> 01:56:29.000 just don't feel like you can say that a lot of about a lot of 1580 01:56:29.039 --> 01:56:32.560 action movies these days. So I feel like this is it's special. I 1581 01:56:32.600 --> 01:56:36.479 think it remains special. And for people who are listening to this just for 1582 01:56:36.520 --> 01:56:43.680 fun and haven't seen it, I mean I highly recommend checking it out well. 1583 01:56:43.720 --> 01:56:45.720 And and you know, to your point, I mean, this is 1584 01:56:45.800 --> 01:56:49.239 this is a film that audience has really responded to, which certainly speaks to 1585 01:56:49.640 --> 01:56:55.600 how well regarded the original film had become, you know, in the in 1586 01:56:55.920 --> 01:57:03.039 the interim and and the the The success that this one achieved is the highest 1587 01:57:03.079 --> 01:57:06.439 out of all four lethal weapon films. I was going to say that. 1588 01:57:06.560 --> 01:57:13.319 And it also Back to the Future too came out this year and made less. 1589 01:57:13.680 --> 01:57:15.960 So this one made like one hundred and forty seven million. Back to 1590 01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:19.520 the Future two made ninety three million, So I mean that's amazing people were 1591 01:57:19.520 --> 01:57:25.439 into this. Yeah, I mean, you know, to be one of 1592 01:57:25.479 --> 01:57:30.600 the few successes in the year of Batman. Yeah, that's that's no small 1593 01:57:30.640 --> 01:57:33.960 thing, you know. Yeah, on the podium of three Batman, Last 1594 01:57:33.960 --> 01:57:40.680 Crusade and Leath the Weapon two. Yeah, I think worldwide it made two 1595 01:57:40.760 --> 01:57:47.560 hundred and twenty eight million dollars, which I'm actually curious. What would that 1596 01:57:47.600 --> 01:57:59.600 be in in two thousand and four dollars? I don't know. Eight you're 1597 01:57:59.600 --> 01:58:06.800 looking at about five hundred and seventy million dollars half a billion, which is 1598 01:58:06.840 --> 01:58:10.800 just I mean, that is bananas, right, more than half a billion 1599 01:58:10.800 --> 01:58:17.199 dollars for a Buddy Cott movie. Yeah. Right. So it's no secret 1600 01:58:17.239 --> 01:58:25.439 why a sequel followed in rapid order. Yeah. Yeah. It's also no 1601 01:58:25.520 --> 01:58:28.800 secret why Warner Brothers is desperate to have another one after the third one. 1602 01:58:29.920 --> 01:58:32.720 But we'll talk about both of those at some later point. Brian, I 1603 01:58:32.760 --> 01:58:36.960 can't wait. Yeah, you know, it took us a minute to come 1604 01:58:38.000 --> 01:58:40.680 back to these films, but I think I think the weight was a good 1605 01:58:40.720 --> 01:58:45.359 thing. You know, it kind of let the anticipation build a little bit. 1606 01:58:45.880 --> 01:58:48.399 I agree, I agree, But I am I'm ready for the next 1607 01:58:48.399 --> 01:58:53.000 one. Well, hey, maybe we'll talk through it sooner. Maybe it 1608 01:58:53.000 --> 01:58:54.720 won't take two years. I don't know. We'll see, but leave the 1609 01:58:54.760 --> 01:58:58.720 Weapon three is coming on the Movie Film Show. But if you have any 1610 01:58:58.760 --> 01:59:00.840 questions or comments for us, you can emails at Moviefilmpodcast at gmail dot com. 1611 01:59:00.880 --> 01:59:03.920 You can say like on our Facebook page Facebook dot com Slash Movie Film 1612 01:59:03.920 --> 01:59:08.039 Podcast. 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