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Hey everybody, welcome, Here we
go. It is that time again or

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that time again for our Canadian listeners
online, Here we go. It's Matt

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Connerton Unleashed. We are live from
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Hello to alive our online listeners across the

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Today is Tuesday, May twenty third,

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two thousand twenty three, so nice
to have you all with me.

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By the way, the opening track
that I played that was Alberta from the

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band Trevino or El Trevino. You
can find them online both ways. They're

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on Spotify is just Trevino. But
if you miss yesterday's show, we had

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Derek Lafford from the band Skype in
from Phoenix and we had a great discussion

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and I love that band so much
so I wanted to play one of their

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songs to open the show today.
Alberta of the They got a what is

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It eleven or twelve I think songs
on the album, but that's one of

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my favorites, so I wanted to
open today with that. I just think

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they're amazing and Derek and I had
a great discussion. So if you did

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miss the show, I suggest you
go back and check the archive. I

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think you enjoy it, and we
have an exciting show for you today.

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We have musical guests coming up in
the second hour, our Number two Numerods

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live in studio. Cody Pope and
by Ring will be coming in. It's

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been a while since we've had some
live hip hop on the show. It's

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been quite a while, actually,
so I'm really looking forward to that.

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Cody Pope I have interviewed before,
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years, so I've known him for
a while. I don't think i've met

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by Ringe, so today I will
meet him and really looking forward to that.

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They're gonna come in, They're gonna
they're gonna perform live in studio.

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They got a drum machine and they're
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and then after that we'll talk.
So really looking forward to that. So

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that will be coming up today,
and our Number two of the program and

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an hour number one, we'll see
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Let's go ahead and say hello everybody
in the Facebook live chat, and then

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we'll get into some stuff. Let's
see. Here, we've got Charles Richardson

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from the state of Florida. Florida's
I don't know if you all have noticed,

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but Florida has been in the news
quite a bit lately. Charles says,

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good afternoon, get ready for the
Ron De Santis presidential train tomorrow,

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and pray to god it gets derailed. Now, Charles, one thing about

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that and I don't know if you
are a religious man, but you know,

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I did go to I haven't been
a church in a long time,

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to the chagrin of my father of
course, who does listen to the show.

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So but I believe, and Shannon
and I had a conversation about this

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recently. I think now I could
be wrong about this. Again, I

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haven't been a church in a while, but I believe theologically you are not

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supposed to ask God for things like
train de railments or for people to be

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harmed in any way. I think
that these are things you're not supposed to

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ask for. Now. I'm not
saying that I've never, uh, you

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know, myself perhaps initiated something with
the Lord and said, hey, you

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know, if by chance something horrible
should happen to Vladimir Putin, you know,

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I mean, I wouldn't mind personally, just but my two cents.

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And but I think you're really not
supposed to do that. I think you're

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supposed to pray for for positive things, good healing things, and I don't

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think you're supposed to pray for a
train to derail. Having that the Lord

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works in mysterious ways, we shall
see And apparently Governor de Santis of Florida

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is announcing on Twitter, and he's
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like, I don't know. To
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a little bit of a middle finger
to Trump, because I thought Trump and

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Elon were cozy for a while there. I mean, Elon did rein say

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Trump on Twitter? After all?
Not the Trump actually really uses Twitter because

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he has his own thing, the
Truth Social But yes, Governor de Santis.

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I think Chris Christi is rumored to
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but I'm not sure. But yes, Governor Ron de Santis, it's gonna

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be gonna be getting in and the
announcement will be on Twitter. Let's see.

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Jay Fed is in the chat room, as well as Melanie Liberty from

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the Great State of Vermont. Hello
the Green Mountains State. Let's see.

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Jay Fed says, I hope there
is some bass pumping. I assume.

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I assume you mean during our musical
guests in the second hour there, Cody

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Pope and Byron g I would imagine
there will be some pumping bass. We

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shall see. Um. Melanie says, you haven't been to church because it

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burns when you enter the building.
How dare you? Why would that be?

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I am look, look, I
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very good boy. I am I'm
actually I always say I'm so clean.

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I'm actually boring, not saying I
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without sin. But you know I
don't do terrible things like put pineapple on

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pizza, for example, as we've
discussed on the show. That's a sin.

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I believe, never never do that. You won't catch me doing that.

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Fredo joins us in the Facebook live
chat or I do so love to

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say his full name, as you
know, Alfredo Enrique Benavitis. He says,

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yo, yo, and we will
be seeing Fredo here in studio with

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us, I believe later in this
later in the month. Is it this

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month or next month? I forget
when the exact data is, but looking

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forward to that as always. And
Fredo says, shout out to all my

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connor Tonight's yes, thank you,
sir, thank you very much. Melanie

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also said in the chat room,
and you know, instead of praying,

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you could actually do something that would
help, like voting. I know it's

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a radical idea, Yes, well, yes, that is a good idea,

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actually not terribly radical. I encourage
people to vote. Melanie says,

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sin is a made up concept by
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I am not a sinner. Huh, I see you found a loophole.

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Well, I don't want to get
into a deep theological discussion because we have

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we have other things to discuss,
like the debt limit. Um uh.

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Now, yesterday on the show,
we did uh talk about it somewhat,

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and I had intended to return to
the subject in the second hour, but

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my conversation with Derek Relaford of the
band L Trevino went longer than I anticipated,

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because not only did we talk about
his music, but we talked about

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the podcast that he does about his
hometown, Elkhart, which has apparently a

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ridiculously high murder rate for for a
small place. But but we'll I do.

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I did see something reassuring on the
debt limit right before I came on

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the air today that we'll look at
um. Fredo says in the chat room,

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there's definitely a correlation between states that
have lower voter turnout and lower standard

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of living. Yes, true,
absolutely, Crystal are friend from the great

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state of Illinois, joins us and
says hello everyone, Hello, Crystal.

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Now I saw something. Now,
this surprised me. When I look for

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when I'm when I'm stressed, when
I'm worried about something, and I look

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for comfort, for some comforting words, some reassurance, someone that I would

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not think to look for. These
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These things would be Mitch McConnell,
sentim Minority Leader, Mitch McConnell,

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I would not look to him.
But if you are a regular listener of

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the show, you know I am
deeply concerned about the debt limit and that

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we are about to go over the
fiscal cliff on what they ominously refer to

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what the Treasury ominously refers to as
the X date, the date when we're

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out of money and we can't borrow
anymore, because our elected lawgivers and overlords

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as I like to call them,
have decided, what the heck, We're

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just going to go ahead and push
the self destruct button on the global economy

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and see what happens as we carene
toward that fate. But reassurance has arrived.

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My friends, I hope you find
this as comforting as I do,

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because Mitch McConnell, again not someone
I would look to for reassurance and comfort.

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He says, according to the Hill
dot com McConnell on possibility of default

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quote, everybody needs to relax une. That sounds good to me, Mitch.

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I would love to relax about this. I would love to just chill

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and not give it another thought or
worry. I would love that. Let's

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see, now, I have not
preread this, so let's see what he

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says in here. Oh, apparently
looking at this skinning through it. He

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goes on to say everyone needs to
chill acts, which is even better.

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That's even better than relaxing. Chill
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chill and relax. The young people
say that Mitch has picked up some young

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lingo. I used to think chill
axe meant when you take an axe and

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you put it in your freezer.
But no, I'm okay. That part

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I'm kidding about. And when I
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about him saying chill as I don't
mean I'm kidding about thinking that it was

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when you put an axe in the
freezer. I actually thought that's that's what

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it meant. Okay, it says
here. Now let's see, let's get

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into deeper into what Mitch had to
say. I'm calling him. I'm not

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calling him Senator McConnell like I would
normally. I'm just calling him Mitch because

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I find him in this moment.
I find him a source of comfort and

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reassurance. Let's see what our friend
Mitch has to say. Again. This

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is from the Hill dot com.
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, Republican of

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Kentucky, tried to calm fears of
a possible debt default today, pleading with

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everyone to quote relax unquote as talks
continue between the White House and the House

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GOP negotiators ahead of the likely June
one deadline. Quote. I think everybody

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needs to relax unquote, McConnell told
reporters in his home Staatee. Hey,

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by the way, I just had
a thought. You know, if again,

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if you're a regular listener, you
might know this about me. I'm

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a certified hypnotherapist, and I just
I often obviously, of course, as

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even if you've never been hypnotized,
you would probably guess this that one of

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the things I say to my clients
when I bring them into a state of

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hypnosis is I ask them to relax, Just just relax, just clear your

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mind and relax. And I just
I wonder how how Mitch would do as

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a as a hypnotherapist, And would
any of you find him calming and relaxing?

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Would you would you want to be
alone in a room with Mitch McConnell

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for a hypnotherapy session. Probably not
anyway, Okay, so he says,

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I think everybody needs to relax.
McConnell told reporters in his home state,

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again reiterating that the nation will not
default on its payments, a declaration he's

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repeated throughout the negotiation process. Quote, the last ten times we raise the

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debt ceiling, there were things attached
to it. This is not that unusual.

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It is almost entirely required when you
have divided government. Unquote. None

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of that convinced me. I'm afraid
that. I mean, yeah, you

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can, you can look at the
past and say, well, in the

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past, we always did it,
But I'm worried about now. And and

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by the way, you know,
President Biden, I think he's also got

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that same line of thinking. You
know, he and Mitch McConnell they're about

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the same age. They're both u
creatures of the Senate, right, both

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of them spending many decades in the
Senate, McConnell continuing to do so,

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and of course Biden now president,
Biden had become a vice president and now

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president um and uh. So,
I wonder if part of the problem here

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is they don't understand there there are
such institutionalists. I don't think they fully

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understand what's happening here politically, because
the other thing that's developing today is now

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you have House Republicans saying they don't
believe Janet yelling that that there's really anything

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to worry about, that we're actually
going to default on June first, as

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early as June first, you know. And but there's also no excuse for

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not knowing that this is a real
possibility, because look at how close we

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came in twenty eleven, and both
Biden and McConnell were there. Biden was

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part of the negotiations, he was
Obama's vice president at that time. And

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look how close we came, so
close that our bond rating was downgraded,

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and it did real damage to the
economy. And I read some numbers just

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recently about in terms of jobs that
were lost just because we came so close

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and it shakes the global economy,
or it shakes the faith of other countries,

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and you know, in terms of
the global economy, it shakes their

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faith in the United States. I
mean we you know, this whole thing

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is based on our currency, right, everything's measured against the dollar. And

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I wonder if if there's something there
where these guys, and again McConnell's comments

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makes me wonder if it's the same
thing that I think is wrong with Biden

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and Biden is you know, I
I've been very critical of both the Democrats

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and Republicans on this. I think
you know, you've got the Republican House

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Freedom Caucus. They used to be
the Tea Partiers back in twenty eleven.

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Now they're the House Freedom Caucus.
And some of them would actually be perfectly

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happy to default. Some of them
are actually pro default. We have the

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Republican frontrunner for president who apparently is
pro default from what he was saying at

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the town hall. He says,
am might as well, why not.

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You might have a bad day or
a bad week, but that it's fine,

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just crazy crazy stuff, right.
I don't know if I don't know

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if Biden or McConnell, and it's
his McConnell's own party. I don't know

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if either of them quite realizes what
they're dealing with here. I mean,

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I think it's possible that Biden actually
did he really believe when he said months

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ago that no, we're not negotiating
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to pass this House needs to pass
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that's it, and not attach anything
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the budget separately, but they need
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limit bill to raise the ceiling.
Did he really believe that? And that's

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because this is the this is where
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of them playing this game with the
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in this, and then we ran
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it here. If Biden really believed, as I have to assume that he

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him what he wanted and lift the
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always say on the show, in
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I don't believe that anything should be
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Trump had this right when he was
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debt limit as a negotiation. Wedge. I think we're his exact words.

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It's reckless, it's stupid, and
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And he had the right position.
Now he's done a complete one eighty.

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Now he's like, yeah, go
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will have a bad day or a
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Just I mean, that's what he
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Anyone who doesn't believe me, you
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talk. But you know, Biden, So then he didn't want to talk.

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He didn't want to talk to McCarthy
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hard line, no, we're not
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that they were just gonna cave.
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a speaker who had to effectively give
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Caucus to get elected speaker fifteen attempts. Oh yeah, as Fredo's pointing out

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now in the chat room, McCarthy
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his slim majority and band of reckless
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get his seat exactly perfectly put,
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that? Because the other element to
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we might wake up one day to
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deal. Great, Biden and McCarthy
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to sell it to their to their
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it's gonna be harder. I mean
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Biden because progressives in the Democratic Party
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up anything, and they want him
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moderates to just want him to go
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because they don't think it's a risk
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McCarthy's got to go back and sell
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in the House. And I don't
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out. I don't know that it's
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running out of time here, we
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but this, to me, and
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I don't mean to be agist,
I really don't, but this to

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me is actually, I would say, the best example yet of why Biden

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needs to step aside and let somebody
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should resign the presidency. I just
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I know he's already announced, he's
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get gotta the Dems have to put
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down the pike. See, because
everything that's happening right now, I saw

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this coming. I knew I knew
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the United States didn't know what was
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terms, because Fredo says, Biden
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he's he's eighty years old, and
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and he's used to the way things
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used to work is you raise the
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close, that that was you know, that was a once in a lifetime

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thing. We'd never let that happen
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bond rating was lowered, and so
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there's no excuse for the way Biden
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I've talked yesterday on the show about
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Republicans, and I've referred to it
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there's some things about Biden I do like,

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some things I give him credit for, but on this, on this,

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this is indefensible, It's unforgivable.
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making the decision to say, no, I'm not negotiating on this back months

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ago when he said no, I'm
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do the right thing, and again
it would be the right thing. I

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agree with that. I agree in
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you have to deal with the cards
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right, So, knowing, knowing
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McCarthy, who is beholden to the
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all of this, he says,
no, I'm going to take the principal

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stand and I'm gonna say no,
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It should be a clean bill again, correct, but it's not gonna

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work. So now, now when
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say about the president, well,
look what is it a hundred days now,

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you know the President said a hundred
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ago, he said I'm not going
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there was no talk. There was
no negotiation because of the President said I'm

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not going to negotiate. Now here
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Biden refusing to negotiate back then even
talk about it and say no, we're

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not negotiating on the debt limit.
He handed McCarthy a club that McCarthy gets

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to us and just club it over
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don't blame me the president. You
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want to talk. What a wonderful
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And now, and now we're in
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cards. And I'll be honest with
you. Now, the bill that the

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bill that the Republicans passed in the
House, all the economic analysis that I've

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seen says that that bill has written
and the very deep cuts that are in

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it would actually harm the economy.
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and this and I'm not talking about
you know, liberal think tanks putting this

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out. I'm saying economists across the
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these cuts that it would actually I
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about a half a million jobs at
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cuts to medicare. Oh yeah,
it's brutal. It's brutal. Now,

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obviously that's in terms of negotiating,
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know you're going to get, and
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I understand the President doesn't want to. You know, it was a long,

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hard slog to get things like the
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And I understand he doesn't want to
give up these legislative gains, but listen

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at the end of the day,
and this is this is a very bitter

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pill to swallow. But again,
you have to play the hands you're delt.

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If it comes down to a choice
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conservative minded economists say could actually harm
the economy. I mean, Moody's Analytics,

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hardly a conservative outfit. They said
the Republican bill that was passed would

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would damage the economy. And again
that's a negotiation. You know, you

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negotiate, which is in theory what's
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it comes down to a stark choice
between we either do something that willfully damages

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the economy or we just go ahead
and destroy the entire global economy, well

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I'd rather damage it than completely destroy
everything. And by the way, for

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anyone who thinks I'm being hyperbolic,
I'm not. When I talk about destroy.

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This has the potential if we default, it has the potential to cause

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a global financial collapse that will make
what happened in two thousand and eight look

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like a picnic. And we'll probably
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So you know, if, in
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winded way of saying, if Biden
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and give in a lot more than
he wants to, and the Democrats have

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to give in a lot more than
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Biden has played this, which is
it shows a degree of incompetence that I'm

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actually I find stunning, to be
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know we're gonna have to again.
I'd I'd rather, I'd rather give away

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more than more than anyone wants to
h and damage the economy than risk just

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blowing the whole thing up. Global
economic armageddon is my last choice. You

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know what I mean? Ron is
on the line, high Ron, I've

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been I've been sitting here watching you. I was wondering how long it was

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going to take you to pick up
that pen, to pick up what?

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Pick up the pen? You were
going with quite a while without the pen

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indy hand. Oh okay, well
I got it now. You gotta know,

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hey, listen, I wouldn't want
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is a very important topic and I'm
all the years I'm trying to pick up

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on whatever I can. But did
you ever find out anything about the whistleblowers.

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I've read up a little bit about
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to get into it right now because
I want to see what else Mitch McConnell

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and his soothing words had to offer. But yeah, sure, but well

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we'll look at it this week.
Yeah, yeah, that'd be great.

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And one more thing if you could
look at in the near future or whenever.

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I happen to watch sixteen minutes two
weeks ago, and there was something

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that I really did understand. But
it was like the treasures of all churches

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have like billions and billions and billions
of dollars and they're like Trump, they

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won't explain what to do. We
in a weirds held what they do with

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it, what's spent on It's a
big hush hush thing. And that too.

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We had a whistle below and there
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and he just said, this is
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I don't know if that if that
rings a bell in any way to

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you or your other listeners, if
you know anything on that. Obviously today's

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not today, But that was my
other thing. I was like, wow,

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yeah, not a clue, but
I'll look at it. Sounds interesting,

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all right, by friend. All
right, Ron, thanks for the

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call. All right, all right, bye bye, all right, that

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was our friend, Ron. That
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Uh. Let's see. Um getting
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it says here, oh h.
McConnell also said, quote, regardless of

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what maybe said about the talks,
and by the way, not much as

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being said. That's that's positive.
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what maybe said about the talks,
the President and the Speaker will reach an

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agreement. It will ultimately pass on
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The country will not default. Unquote. I like his confidence. I

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I don't. I don't believe that's
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mean honestly, now, listen,
I don't want to be doom and gloom.

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I know you're some of you are
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Matt. No, listen, Honestly, here's what I think happens. Um.

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I don't think they reach an agreement. I have no faith in that

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at this point, I honestly don't, but I do think that Biden will

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uh try to invoke the fourteenth Amendment
and uh to to avoid default. It'll

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be uh, you know, break
last, grab the axe or whatever,

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the chill ax um and uh and
then hopefully, hopefully Laurence Tribe and others

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who are you are advocating for that
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right. And Janet Yellen doesn't seem
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is very worrisome. But let's look
at the rest of this says here.

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McConnell has been a steadfast backer of
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negotiation and has repeatedly said that President
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this time around. McConnell had been
expected to play a role given his relationship

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and past dealings with the President,
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Given the makeup of Congress, he
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amored out between the White House and
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power lies these days, with the
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debt ceiling discussions. McCarthy was joined
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talks. But those discussions, I
see, I'd actually feel I can't believe

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I'm saying this, but I'd actually
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I really would. I don't mean
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That would freak me out. I'd
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doing here? No, but i'd
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for the talks every time. I
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anyway, So those discussions have narrowed
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the GOP. Fredo says, I'd
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referring to Mitch McConnell, he does
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ongoing, although the GOP negotiators complained
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enough urge and see in discussions.
See that kind of thing makes me think.

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I hear that kind of stuff,
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They're not going to come to a
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the fourteenth Amendment in the end.
I really do think so. Due to

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the Oh and then there's this.
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Due to the seventy two hour rule
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cobble together legislative text, a deal
likely must come together by late this week

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in order to pass it ahead of
the X state of June one laid out

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by Treasury Department Secretary Janet Yellen.
Yeah, I do not believe that's going

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to happen. I see no reason
to think that's going to happen. So

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I do think we are, for
the first time in our history, going

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to have to rely on the fourteenth
Amendment one other thing. It's already twenty

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of one other thing regarding the I
wanted to look at this quickly. This

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is from Politico. Court sets legal
showdown on the debt limit Fourteenth Amendment argument.

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Justice Department lawyers decline to say wether
Biden has the power to defy a

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debt cap Let's look at this quickly. This just went up this afternoon.

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Quote. I'm sorry, no quote. How am I saying quote? I'll

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say a quote when there's something to
quote. Okay. A judge in Boston

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has ordered a hearing next week on
one of the key arguments that President Joe

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Biden has the legal authority to ignore
the debt limit statute and continue to pay

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the federal government's bills. U SEC
Court Judge Richard Stearns said a May thirty

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one hearing on a lawsuit. This
is already starting. Jesus sorry, let

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me start that paragraph again. I'm
just frustrated by all of this, Judge

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Richard Stern said a May thirty one
hearing on a lawsuit filed by a federal

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workers union contending that the fourteen Amendment
empowers Biden another official society step to stand

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off with Congress that has threatened to
potential default. Oh okay, so they're

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actually supporting him, But what is
their standing to bring I'm a little puzzled

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by this. I'm glad they're supporting
it. So they're saying the fourteenth Amendment,

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that's this union's position, the Federal
Workers Union, they're contending, well,

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00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:32,119
yeah, they want to continue to
get paid. Okay, I'm glad,

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but let's see it says you're.
Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen has said the

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so called X state for a default
could come as soon as June one,

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just one day after the scheduled arguments
on the National Association of Government Employees request

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for a preliminary injunction requiring Yelling to
keep paying bills and salaries as usual.

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Yeah, I mean federal workers,
Yeah, if they. I mean,

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that's the thing you have to understand
too, for anyone who thinks that this

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isn't a big deal or doesn't fully
understand what we're talking about, because polling

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data shows most Americans don't understand this. They think it's like a government shutdown

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or something. It is not.
This is far far more serious and a

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government shutdown, it's pretty serious.
It costs the economy a lot of money.

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But you got to understand, if
we default, federal workers suddenly aren't

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getting paid, the military suddenly isn't
getting paid. Social Security effectively ends,

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you know. So if you're somebody
out there who doesn't like Social Security,

443
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while you might be about to get
your wish if you know, and there

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are people out there, even though
Social Security is the most popular social program

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that the government administers, that might
be about to end. I mean,

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that's how serious this is. You
know, this is none of this is

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00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:59,760
none of this is un serious.
It says here during a brief video conference

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to Tuesday morning, so that was
this morning. Sterns see this, This

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part discourages me a little bit.
Sterns sounded skeptical of arguments from the union's

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lawyers that disaster for the nation is
impending. If he did not put the

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case on an even faster track.
Sterns and a pointee of former President Bill

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Clinton, said, quote, if
the emergency is as dire as you think

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it is, I would think that
it's within the power of the president to

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address it using executive branch authority.
Unquote. Well, that's the thing,

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00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,599
though, you can't really use.
Trump tried to do that. He tried

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to send out checks on his own, separate of Congress, and nothing happened.

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You know, the Treasury didn't send
out checks just because Trump said so,

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because the executive branch doesn't control the
money. The legislative branch does.

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Before setting the May thirty one argument
date. Sterns said he didn't see the

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union's request for a decision by June
one as realistic. Yeah, I mean

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kind of last minute there, The
judge said, quote, I understand there

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are time constraints given that events are
developing, probably even as we're meeting,

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that probably make a decision prior to
June first impossible unquote. Stearns did not

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get a direct answer when he asked
Justice Department lawyer Alexander Ellie or Eli.

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I think it's Ellie whether the Department
disagrees with the central argument in the suit

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that the Fourteenth Amendment's assurance that US
debt shall not be questioned means the president

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can ignore a statute capping the national
debt. Ellie said he was not authorized

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to stake out a position on that
question, and he suggested that the Department

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would argue that the union suit is
not a proper vehicle to force COJ to

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come to a legal conclusion. He
said, quote this requires high level coordination

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among the US government unquote. But
an attorney for the Union, Thomas Gooa

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Geoegan Geoegan, I'm just gonna call
him tommyg pointed out that the claims of

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an imminent cataclysm from a possible default
originate with the very officials named as defendants

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in the suit. Tommy EG said
as he asked the judge to agree to

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a speedy process quote, this is
an unusual case in which the defendants are

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predicting the calamity. The local rules
do not take into account that there is

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00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:30,079
a catastrophic looming in this case,
catastrophe rather looming in this case. The

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00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:35,320
union's lawyer also suggested DJ is playing
for time, but to avoid taking out

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a position that would have a profound
effect on the ongoing talks between the White

480
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:43,239
House and Republican House leaders, which, by the way, is my suspicion

481
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:49,000
about why DJ has never revealed what
the conclusion the OLC came to when they

482
00:39:49,039 --> 00:39:52,920
looked at this in twenty eleven.
If you file a Freedom of Information Act

483
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:59,159
request, you can't even find out
they will deny it. You can't even

484
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:08,000
find out why the OLC and the
DOJ refused to tell Obama at the time

485
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:12,920
that yes, you can use the
fourteenth Amendment. They advised against it,

486
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,039
but they won't say why. And
they refuse to say why. It's a

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00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:22,719
secret. I would love to know, although I hope to never have to

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00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:29,920
find out in a sense. But
Tommy g said, quote, what we're

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faced with, I fear is that
the government doesn't really have a position on

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00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,679
this, but there is no time
to prevent irreparable injury unquote. Cerns gave

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00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:42,920
the Justice Department a deadline of May
thirty to file a written response. I

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00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,920
could clarify the government's view on the
outer bounds of Biden's authority regarding the public

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00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:57,719
debts, all very exciting. We
have time for a one call before the

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top of the hour if anyone wants
to get in. Six three two five

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00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:07,960
seven six three two five six seven. Uh, let's see. Let's look

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00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,400
at the chat room. By the
way, a lot of a lot of

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00:41:10,599 --> 00:41:20,599
comments in the chat room on the
subject. Um Fredo says, Republican congressmen

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00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:25,599
are holding medical medical care from programs
like Medicare all the way up to veterans

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00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:32,280
benefits. Hostage. Um. If
the Republican base actually cared about veterans,

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their blood would be boiling over Republican
congressman taking away benefits from veterans to make

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00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:45,039
concessions on the debt ceiling. Uh. Melanie said regarding Mitch McConnell if I

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00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:49,559
thought he'd make a good hypnotherapist,
Melanie said, I find his lack of

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00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:57,320
chin and spine distracting, so I'm
unable to relax despite his reassurances. Uh.

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00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,800
Fredo says, where were Republicans asking
for cuts during Trump? The deficit

505
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:06,559
increased by almost eight trillion under Darth
tax of Vader. I'd see what you

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00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:08,119
did there, Fredo. Yeah,
Well, as I always say, I

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00:42:08,159 --> 00:42:13,400
mean, Republicans only care about the
deficits and debt when there's a Democrat in

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00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,840
the White House. Even a lot
of Republicans acknowledge that. Oh, Jenny

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00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,000
has joined us in the chat room, she says, shalom peeps. Frado

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00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:22,559
says, but McCarthy is a week
Oh, I read that comment already.

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00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:30,519
Let's see. Charles Richardson says the
president didn't know stuff shocking. Well,

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00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:32,039
there's no excuse for him not being
prepared for this, though, I mean,

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00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:36,519
there really isn't. It's the incompetence
of Biden, and this, like

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00:42:36,559 --> 00:42:38,920
I said, is absolutely stunning.
There's plenty of blame to go around.

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00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:43,639
Crystal in the chat room says,
I think Trump is okay now versus then

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on the debt ceiling is because if
we now default on the debt ceiling,

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it falls under Biden at the end
of the day, and he'll be blamed

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00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:54,119
in history for whatever happened. Right, That's a great point, Crystal.

519
00:42:54,559 --> 00:43:00,199
Whatever goes wrong economically, everybody blames
whoever is president at the time time,

520
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,840
even though the economy is obviously much
more complex than that. But a perfect

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00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:13,199
example is probably the most um remarkable
example was in nineteen ninety two when George

522
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,639
H. W. Bush, you
know, after the First Gulf War,

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00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,960
after he sent our troops into kick
Saddam and the Iraqis out of Kuwait,

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00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:25,639
he had the highest recorded approval rating
in history, coming in at ninety percent,

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00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,519
the highest approval rating in history ever
recorded for a sitting president. And

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I remember having conversations with people after
that, other, you know, friends

527
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,760
of mine who are very interested in
politics, and uh, you know,

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the consensus was, and of course
in the media, the consensus was that,

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you know, there was no way
he would lose reelection, that he

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00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:49,760
would easily cruise to a second term
based on the strength of his so easily,

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00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,280
what was it seventy two hours that
that war and then and then the

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00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:59,480
economy fell off a cliff, and
he took the blame. Bill Clinton won

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00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:05,760
the president. See that's just what
happens. So that's why the Republicans are

534
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,840
in a no lose situation here.
You know, if they get what they

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00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:15,599
want, they can crow about that
in terms of deep cuts. If they

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00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,440
don't get what they want, If
the economy does end up, if we

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do go into default and it is
as catastrophic as most economists agree that it

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00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:29,000
would be, and it's the end
of the American economy as we know it,

539
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:35,519
well everyone will blame Biden because even
though there's plenty of blame to go

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00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:38,000
around, and it will partially be
Biden's fault, certainly, but even though

541
00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:42,440
there's plenty of blame to go around, everybody just blames the president. People

542
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:50,440
have a hyper simplified, reductive way
of thinking about economics. When the economy

543
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,719
is good and they like who's in
the White House, they give that person

544
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,239
credit. When the economy is good
and they don't like that person in the

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00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,079
White House, they don't give them
credit. The inverse is also true when

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00:44:58,079 --> 00:45:00,800
the economy is bad. If they
like the person in the White House,

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00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,679
they have nothing to say. If
the economy is bad, and they don't

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00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:07,000
like the person in the White House. They blame whoever's in the White House.

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00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:13,639
It's just how it works. So
if we default and it's economically catastrophic

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00:45:13,679 --> 00:45:19,719
and we enter another great depression,
whoever the Republican nominee is wins in a

551
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:27,199
landslide. So, but how does
Biden? How did Biden not understand all

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00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:31,159
of this months ago when he said
I will not negotiate, So, I

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00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:37,159
mean he almost deserves to lose.
Really. Crystal also said, I think

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both parties are too concerned with tarnishing
the historical record of whoever is at the

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00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:50,239
helm when they are the opposing party. Oh, absolutely absolutely, Fred Will

556
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,199
making a bunch of old jokes about
Biden. Those are funny. Oh hey.

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00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:57,760
Kyle Clayton from the Morning Show with
Peter White joins us in the Facebook

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00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,519
live chat and says, looking,
hey, how are you? Yes,

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00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,000
looking at you too, Kyle,
except I can't actually see you, You're

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00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,960
not on the screen. But I
believe our guests have arrived and they are

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in the hallway. So here's what
we're gonna do. We're going to we'll

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play a little something, play some
hip hop, get us in the mood.

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And then we'll show some love to
our amazing sponsors. And then when

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we come back, Cody Pope and
Byron g will be with us live in

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studio. They're going to perform for
us and then we'll talk afterward, and

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I'm really really looking forward to that, So stick around plenty more to come.

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Welcome back everybody as we enter our
number two numerow dose of Matt Connerton

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Unleashed, and we are live from
the studios of wm n H ninety five

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point three FM in glorious downtown Manchester, New Hampshire, also on Comcast ninety

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seven if you're in Manchester, and
hello to all of our online listeners across

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the nation and around the globe.
You can go to my website Matt Connerton

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dot com for all your live streaming
options, social media links, contact in

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folks, show archives, etc.
Et cetera. It is Tuesday, m

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twenty third, twenty twenty three,
and we have a couple of fine gentlemen

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00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,719
here on the couch. We have
Cody Pope and Byron Gee. How are

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00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:52,159
you guys? Hey doing great?
Thanks so much for having us, absolutely

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00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:57,280
absolutely so um and you guys are
going to perform and this is very cool.

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00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,360
Have you ever performed sitting on a
couch before? Honestly? And I

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00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:05,679
think this is the first. Definitely
a different vibe, but first time here,

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00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,360
first time performing on a couch.
Yeah, yeah, very cool.

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00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,679
All right, so we're gonna try
to uh so we we had a little

582
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,840
bit of a technical challenge to overcome. But I think now, let me

583
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:24,320
see what happens when I click this, and let's see nothing happens when I

584
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:29,039
click that? Why is that?
So? What we're gonna do is I'm

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00:48:29,039 --> 00:48:32,800
gonna play the tracks and these guys
are gonna perform here in studio. I'm

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00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:38,920
just trying to see why. Now
that's interesting? All right? Can I

587
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,280
drag that over? I wonder?
All right, let me do this,

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00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,159
Sorry, everybody, we gotta do
this on behalf of the segment. I

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00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:50,239
want to apologize. I came ill
prepared today. No, it's all good.

590
00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:53,519
I'm clean it up for the podcast. It's no big deal. Um.

591
00:48:54,320 --> 00:49:00,920
But oddly enough, did that really
just disappear on me? Oh?

592
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:07,800
Okay, would you believe it's magic? I think something positive might have just

593
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:16,639
happened here. Let's see, Oh
I might have fixed the problem. This

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00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:22,920
is like, oh, this is
encouraging. This is very encouraging. This

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00:49:22,039 --> 00:49:25,000
is and it don't feel bad guys, because you know sometimes like we'll have

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00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:29,599
a full band come in and we
have to sort of live sound check on

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00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:38,159
the area. Yes. Now,
strangely enough, so when I click master

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00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:45,519
show Mixes, why do I only
get one? That's weird? All right,

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00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:51,880
Well, let's go ahead, and
if you'd like, you could try

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just the show mix folder as well. If there's oh, let's see here.

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00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,320
Maybe I clicked the wrong Oh okay, So when I go into show

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00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:05,800
mixes, then the only thing that
comes up is master show Mixes. Am

603
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:09,360
I in the right place? Uh? There should be some way files in

604
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:13,239
there? Okay, So when I
click master show Mixes, the only one

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that comes up is track one.
That's when I'm puzzled by why it's only

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00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:22,360
showing me track one. Huh.
I don't know why that would be.

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00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:30,239
Now let me see something here.
Um what happens? Oh wait, what

608
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:35,840
happens when I do that? No, it's weird. It only shows me

609
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,719
track one? Um? If if
it's given you too much trouble, then

610
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:46,119
if track one could we could do
track one? Yeah, I just wonder

611
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,599
why it would only show me that, and I have this thing like,

612
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,599
oh wait a minute, now,
now it's given me a zip file.

613
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,719
Oh no, if master show mixes, that might be a good thing.

614
00:50:55,840 --> 00:51:05,719
Let's see if I can open the
zip file maybe just maybe, No,

615
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,320
it gives me track one. Why
would that be? That is so strange

616
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:15,840
technologies. Yeah, yeah, well
you guys want to perform track one and

617
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:21,360
then we'll we'll talk absolutely yeah,
and then we'll uh well, we'll we'll

618
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:22,960
take a break in a little bit
and I'll see if I can if I

619
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,039
can get more tracks to open.
But uh, all right, so I'm

620
00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:30,800
gonna go ahead, and let's make
sure this place here there, it is

621
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:34,639
there, it is okay? Should
all are you guys ready? Yeah,

622
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:38,920
we're ready? All right, here
we go. The song title is called

623
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:45,199
off of our debut album Together and
Meet Me in Gate City. That is

624
00:51:45,239 --> 00:52:06,760
Cody Pope and I am Byron Gee. I turned thirty and felt I had

625
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,480
a cracker. Two. People love
to just sit back and laugh at you,

626
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:15,400
miraculously think that life is just gonna
turn around. Same people always telling

627
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,239
you to turn your frown, turn
it down, music loud, what neighbors?

628
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:22,239
I do this for real ones and
no, my true players. Not

629
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:27,000
no sense thinking you're flipping up quick
or the clipping bricks or cooking it like

630
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,639
this quick. I had needles in
my arm money in the same felt the

631
00:52:30,639 --> 00:52:35,800
treason from my dogs looking funny in
their face, almost sat down for a

632
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,599
couple for defending the turf. This
planet truly hates me. I'm no friend

633
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:43,760
of the earth trailblazing. I don't
need to ride a coattail. Things I've

634
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,639
survived are the same things that most
failed. Tried to ride the waves but

635
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:50,920
couldn't fix a boat's sail. Like
all listen to Hope's fault, I was

636
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,199
watching Hope fail. Broken pottery manned
with the gold dust, never ashamed to

637
00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:00,199
make repairs to the y old us
cracks in our armor only show we have

638
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,519
history. If you don't get it, it don't mean it's it is to

639
00:53:02,639 --> 00:53:07,880
me, broken pottery man with the
gold dust, never ashamed to make repairs

640
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:13,239
to the old dust cracks and our
armor only show we have history. If

641
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,039
you don't get it, it don't
mean it's it this to me. You

642
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:21,199
might catch me proveling down Vine Street
or at the crib holding that my dime

643
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,320
piece. Might see me at the
record store chilling with my niece. Every

644
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:29,360
song is a capital like it's my
die Diagora of the mouth. Things I

645
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,800
spent, specific thing no one gifted
like I flow across the Pacific. You

646
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:37,840
miss every shot that you don't take. Shoot so much. You might meet

647
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,280
me at my own way. Wait
wait, see began big like a soda

648
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:45,199
in the three piece, like Jordan
with the three peak CD stuck on repeat.

649
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:49,360
We like the hot boys Turk Juvie
and big Man. We freshest man

650
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,719
he when he's making beats for Wheezy
best believe me being greedy, get you

651
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:57,119
left behind. Everybody meet their maker
friends with death in time. My breath

652
00:53:57,199 --> 00:54:00,320
is rhyme's mind, crime, body
shrine, piss excellent with these might as

653
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:06,639
well bottomed up the wine. Broken
pottery mended with the gold dust, never

654
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:10,079
Mashane to make repairs to the old
dust cracks, and Alma only show we

655
00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:14,440
have history. If you don't get
it, it don't mean it's a dis

656
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:20,119
to me. Broken pottery mended with
the gold dust, never Shane repairs to

657
00:54:20,199 --> 00:54:23,440
the old dust cracks, and Alma
only show we have history. If you

658
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,559
don't get it, it don't mean
it's a dist to me. Preach.

659
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,440
Oh you guys sound great? Hey, thank you man man. Absolutely uh.

660
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:36,639
If you're just joining us, Cody
Pope and Byron g are here with

661
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,960
us live in studio. That was
not a studio track. That is them

662
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:43,639
performing live here. They're on the
couch with us, and gentlemen, I

663
00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:45,280
have some good news if you want
to keep going, well, if you're

664
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:49,039
gonna twist my arm because I'd love
to hear mark. Yeah, I finally

665
00:54:49,079 --> 00:54:52,599
I figured out how to get that
folder open. Beautiful, So you want

666
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,719
you want just the next track?
Sure? So this track two is called

667
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,639
Scary Stories. We just had this
going throught call radio in North America and

668
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:05,280
it was really cool to see how
far it went. So uh excellent.

669
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:07,360
Is kind of like the first proper
single from the album, if you will,

670
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,760
so shout out to everybody that helped
make this one count. It's a

671
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:15,039
little more rapid he wrapped than the
last one. Yeah, cool, cool,

672
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:16,960
All right, are you ready?
Yes sir? All right, here

673
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:28,719
we go. Shout out to DJ
Meth on the Scratches, Manchester's finest Yes,

674
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:57,320
sir rap stand sign Yo, don't
talk to me about a wrapper with

675
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,440
note book of flames. Don't look
the way, I'll burn the bridge with

676
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,639
one book of flames, shook with
a Shane took a look and played a

677
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:07,119
crooked game. Cooks the same.
But the word you say don't mean a

678
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,519
thing. You own your masters because
nobody wants trash. Don't flunk. That

679
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:15,719
means the label won't call back.
Do something to magnitude before flexing attitude.

680
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:21,159
Say you don't give it up until
people lad at you only positive vibe.

681
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,679
Okay, you opportunists, surround yourself
with toxic people just to push your music

682
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:30,320
integrity and sacrifice me tonna before success. Can't be new to when people relying

683
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:35,920
to the press here to remind minds
that rappers are actors to what's this man's

684
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,400
intention? With all the questions he
asking you? So, I clearly want

685
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:43,639
to run until they fall face first
instead of go in the slow clumps at

686
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:46,599
the pace first? What taste worse
with a bit of frank friends becoming foes

687
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:51,440
with someone who plans to use it
against you? What they know all one

688
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:54,079
and the same, all one in
the equal. We both can't live.

689
00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:59,480
You gotta die before the sequel gave
me life. Taking yours is not a

690
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,800
problem. Pot plunge with the knife
before they say they got him this that

691
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:07,079
I do take every penny in breath, So no what I have no fear.

692
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:10,239
I'm already friends with death. Why
so, safricus, because life's so

693
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:16,039
hard somehow a lot of these frauds
left me scar trusted in people who wouldn't

694
00:57:16,039 --> 00:57:20,599
give me a crumb to live,
having to nap the gate humanity. It's

695
00:57:20,719 --> 00:57:24,199
dumb to live still swinging, still
fighting, I show why trying. Y'all

696
00:57:24,239 --> 00:57:30,079
tough on song, Facebook, all
crying bitch, probably sell your journals out

697
00:57:30,199 --> 00:57:42,599
reviews. I'm the world's night man. Nobody's dreaming for you. Preach you

698
00:57:42,599 --> 00:57:45,360
guys will have to excuse me skipping
out a couple of phrases here and there,

699
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:51,039
trying to trying to keep it clean
radio clean. So just you know,

700
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:54,559
but I love doing this. This
is really cool, man. It's

701
00:57:54,599 --> 00:57:59,239
all a great way for us to
uh share the album with people. I

702
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,559
love this. Oh, it's great
here and you guys live in the in

703
00:58:01,599 --> 00:58:05,159
the studio like this. This is
awesome. Thank you. Yeah, it's

704
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:08,159
cool. It's been a while since
we've got to perform or really rock these,

705
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:12,239
you know, we've been so busy
with it. We both do like

706
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,400
event planning and stuff like that,
and we do a lot of booking of

707
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:20,280
shows and we run a record label
together. So it's like it's been probably

708
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:22,800
months since we've played a show,
so it's nice to just even be here,

709
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:27,880
kind of like flexing the muscle again. Yeah. Yeah, Well let's

710
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,880
talk about some of that stuff and
then and then if you guys want to

711
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:32,920
do another track, I'd love hear
another track in a few minutes. But

712
00:58:34,239 --> 00:58:37,920
yeah, um yeah, tell me
about now. So, Cody, I've

713
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:39,880
interviewed you, I think once,
maybe twice. Yeah, I think it

714
00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,599
was once. It was like I
want to say it was twenty fifteen when

715
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:46,880
you were doing Local Outbreak in Laconia. Yeah, yeah, long time ago.

716
00:58:47,039 --> 00:58:50,760
Yeah. Now, how long have
the two of you been working together,

717
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:52,320
because it sounds like you do do
a lot of stuff together, right

718
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,960
yeah, just um, just over
the last like two years now. Okay,

719
00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:00,679
we had met We're both from Nashua, New Hampshire, so we met

720
00:59:00,679 --> 00:59:05,320
through like the Gate City hip hop
community there, and he had just sent

721
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,360
me a couple of beats and what
was going to be a couple of songs

722
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:13,199
turned into an album. Us doing
the album turned into him coming on board

723
00:59:13,239 --> 00:59:16,000
to help me run the record label. And honestly, ever since we've like

724
00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:22,559
found this symbiosis in our partnership,
things have just taken off tremendously for both

725
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:24,199
of us. And yeah, I
think we both attribute a lot of that

726
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:29,519
to the partnership because we'd both been
out We've been out here for over a

727
00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:34,880
decade on our own, making waves, but not anything sustainable. And you

728
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,440
know, now ever since we've put
this album out, things have really opened

729
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:42,679
up for us fortunately. Yeah.
Now, do you guys always perform together

730
00:59:42,719 --> 00:59:45,559
at this point or do you ever
still do solo shows or how does that

731
00:59:45,639 --> 00:59:51,760
work? So he does solo shows
as a producer, so so Cody Pope

732
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,480
and Byron Gee. He produces all
the music for us and is like composing

733
00:59:55,519 --> 01:00:00,119
all of that, you know,
working with any of the instrument players we

734
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:02,840
work with, anything like that.
And so he can go out and do

735
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:07,760
like DJ shows and gigs like that
where it's like, um, he'll go

736
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:15,119
and play his beats and things of
that nature. I don't I honestly could

737
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,760
go out and do shows without him, but we have so much fun performing

738
01:00:17,800 --> 01:00:23,079
together that any opportunity I get to
perform I try to get him involved.

739
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:28,480
Yeah, he's really good about supporting
me live too, where you know,

740
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:31,599
when we do certain you know,
I'll get offers to open for certain artists

741
01:00:31,679 --> 01:00:36,280
where you know, for example,
we just opened for Nonfiction a few weeks

742
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:38,519
back, sold out at the Shaft
Sky and it was great. But um,

743
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:43,639
anybody that's familiar with nonfiction that's like
a really heavy, like you know,

744
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,480
hardcore hip hop, and so some
of the songs from our album are

745
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:52,159
a little more soulful. But you
know, I have a really deep back

746
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:55,840
catalog, so he'll learn songs from
my back catalog and we'll go and play.

747
01:00:57,639 --> 01:01:00,320
You know, we never play the
same set twice basically. Yeah,

748
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,599
he's really good about playing my old
catalog songs in with the songs that we've

749
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:08,039
made. Oh sorry made together now
okay, okay, and Byron, did

750
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:13,599
you like what what did you start
doing first, producing or rapping or what?

751
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:16,800
Like? What what game first for
you? I started producing first to

752
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:22,000
rap, so I was writing and
stuff. This was you know, back

753
01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:28,800
early two thousands. Yeah, and
uh, I I wasn't real you know

754
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,679
on like the YouTube find beats and
stuff. So I really got fruity loops

755
01:01:32,719 --> 01:01:37,760
and learned how to produce beats basically
for myself to rap over. Okay.

756
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:43,800
Yeah, you know, over the
years, I just liked producing more and

757
01:01:44,679 --> 01:01:47,719
uh, engineering, mixing, mastering
that type of stuff. Yeah, and

758
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:53,320
uh, I kind of just gave
the didn't really write as much anymore.

759
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:58,360
I kind of gave that the backseat
and to focus on the other things where

760
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:00,400
I was like, I really was
needed because you know, a lot of

761
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:06,280
people out in this area. Um, you know, it's easy to pick

762
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:07,920
up a pen and a pad,
you know, it doesn't cost a lot

763
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:12,679
of money and just get your thoughts
out, And a lot of people didn't

764
01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:15,760
really have the bed to you know, lay their lyrics down too. So

765
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:22,159
I kind of took that helm and
and and started to progress in that producing

766
01:02:22,159 --> 01:02:25,639
and engineering rather than the writing and
stuff. Okay, okay, um,

767
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:31,039
but you still you still do some
writing, not much. I'm getting back.

768
01:02:31,239 --> 01:02:35,760
I'm trying too. I tell them
all the time. I go Byron,

769
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,119
we got to put out a rap
album for you on help. I'm

770
01:02:37,119 --> 01:02:39,880
working on this stuff. You know, not a lot of people now,

771
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:45,440
but I'm slowly getting back into it, you know, bring something different to

772
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:49,320
the table for the next projects we
have coming up. Yeah. Yeah,

773
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,599
and you guys, tell me about
the label. You started that together.

774
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:57,519
So I started that back in twenty
eighteen. Um I had. I had

775
01:02:57,559 --> 01:03:00,760
started a different record label back in
ten, and I did that on my

776
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:05,199
own for like eight years. Decided
it was time, you know, it

777
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,840
had run its course, closed the
doors. I had also like taken some

778
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:13,159
time off I you know, the
this was a little before the pandemic,

779
01:03:13,239 --> 01:03:16,000
but the pandemic also kind of put
that into motion too. I had like

780
01:03:16,039 --> 01:03:22,360
a three year hiatus and I started
doing a lot of different writing. I

781
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,960
was writing poetry. I'd written a
couple of screenplays for like radio screenplays.

782
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:30,679
Yeah, I got I got really
into like old radio dramas from like the

783
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:34,880
forties and fifties and stuff like that. And so I kind of wrote this

784
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:39,119
like detective sci fi story that takes
place in Nashua in like the fifties and

785
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:43,800
had a bunch of voice actors come
and I put like two years into that

786
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,440
and then I was right, you
know, and that so that just kind

787
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:50,880
of opened me up to I love
hip hop. I love everything that I

788
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:54,719
do, but I want to create
a label or some sort of distribution house

789
01:03:54,760 --> 01:03:59,000
that I can put all of my
art out through. Yeah, and then

790
01:03:59,559 --> 01:04:02,119
so I'd spent a couple of years
kind of just getting the branding right,

791
01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:08,280
figuring out what I was going to
do next as an artist, and when

792
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:12,239
he came along, it was just
like the It was like, I can't

793
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:17,320
explain how perfect the timing was,
where both of us wanted the same thing,

794
01:04:17,719 --> 01:04:20,960
but both of us brought the thing
that the other person didn't do,

795
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:24,840
where it was like I always,
you know, ever since I was a

796
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:27,480
kid, pretty much, I wanted
to like have a record label and be

797
01:04:27,559 --> 01:04:30,760
a musician and do all this stuff. But I'm not an audio engineer.

798
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:35,360
I don't know things about bit rates
and file sizes, and you know,

799
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:40,920
distributors will ask us questions and I'm
like, oh, well, I'm gonna

800
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:45,119
pass that off to my man over
here. And you know, so even

801
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:48,920
in my personal goals, him coming
on board has allowed me to pursue my

802
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:55,079
professional goals at a rate of speed
that I wouldn't have been able to without

803
01:04:55,119 --> 01:05:00,280
having a partner like that that was
like equitably invested emotionally everything else. Oh

804
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:03,880
yeah, yeah, very cool.
It's like fate really yeah, yeah,

805
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,800
it was. It was perfect time
and for sure, because you had just

806
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:12,119
released the howling Man, and I
think you were just like like, what's

807
01:05:12,199 --> 01:05:15,000
next, and you're throwing shows and
stuff, and I was just I had

808
01:05:15,679 --> 01:05:23,599
recently just really like released my first
two instrumentals on like digital. Yeah.

809
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:26,320
Other than that, it was just
a hard drive full of stuff, you

810
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:30,920
know what I mean. So joining
up with him, I put out a

811
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:34,719
whole basically beat tape last year,
full album. We put it on physical

812
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:41,679
and CD and sold it out,
and and we've released uh like seven I

813
01:05:41,679 --> 01:05:45,760
think it's seven records on the label
since he came on board. Wow kidding.

814
01:05:45,199 --> 01:05:51,679
We did three. We did three
instrumental albums so far. We did

815
01:05:51,679 --> 01:05:58,159
our Meet Me and Gate City album. We did another we did worked with

816
01:05:58,159 --> 01:06:00,719
a vocalist who's based out of Sale
them Now who was like into a little

817
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:04,800
more modern style of music, and
we did a project for him that Byron

818
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:11,039
had curated. We have like a
sampler out as well. So we we

819
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,159
got super busy right from the jump, and we had a whole roster of

820
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:18,440
artists that really were just ready to
work. And we got really fortunate too.

821
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:24,000
Um, we're at record number ten
in our catalog. I had put

822
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:28,000
out the first couple of Cody Pope
records on my own. But so yeah,

823
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,119
so as of as of right now, we're at we're going into record

824
01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:34,519
eleven this summer, and so just
for for that like couple years of time,

825
01:06:35,079 --> 01:06:38,840
you know, some of the CDs
have sold out and we're on second

826
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:42,159
runs. Some of them were still
kind of figuring out how to who the

827
01:06:42,199 --> 01:06:45,559
audience is and how we're going to
market. But this experience has been like

828
01:06:45,639 --> 01:06:49,079
everything that I've wanted to do in
life, and so I feel so fortunate

829
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:53,360
to be kind of like fulfilling all
of these ideas that I had for so

830
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:57,079
many years. That's awesome. Now, how does that work with CDs now?

831
01:06:57,119 --> 01:07:00,519
Because some people think that actually I
don't know if this is true.

832
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:04,039
I read somewhere that in twenty twenty
two that it was the first year that

833
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:09,760
Vinyl Byron you look like you already
know, yeah, yeah, yeah,

834
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:14,079
that supposedly the first year that Vinyl
actually I outsold CDs. Yeah, I

835
01:07:14,119 --> 01:07:15,840
don't I don't know if that's true. No, I've I've definitely read that

836
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:18,199
too. I don't know if it
was twenty two or twenty three, but

837
01:07:18,280 --> 01:07:23,280
one of those years it definitely has
happened, and it's not to my surprise

838
01:07:23,360 --> 01:07:26,559
at all, you know, like
I love Vinyl too, don't you know?

839
01:07:26,599 --> 01:07:30,480
That's people get it twisted because we
put so much of our catalog on

840
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:35,320
CD. Yeah, it's just like
from from a consumer standpoint, a lot

841
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:40,679
of that people don't understand that Vinyl
has insane turnaround times, oh my gosh.

842
01:07:40,719 --> 01:07:45,440
And it's a huge labor of investment
um. And so if we wanted

843
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,840
to put ten records out on Vinyl, that would have never happened, you

844
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:53,679
know that that would have cost us
tens of thousands of dollars that we didn't

845
01:07:53,679 --> 01:07:57,719
have access to months and months and
months lead time. Yeah, you know.

846
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,920
Instead, we were able to using
CDs allowed us to get artists off

847
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:06,559
the ground really quickly who didn't have
a platform but could utilize our you know,

848
01:08:06,639 --> 01:08:10,840
we had venues that we booked shows
at in our own booking company.

849
01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:15,400
We had the record label, which
our office also doubles as the studio with

850
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,920
the ISO booth and the control room
in a podcast lounge and a photo area,

851
01:08:19,079 --> 01:08:23,600
and so artists that came to work
with us had basically all of the

852
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:27,880
resources at their disposal, and so
it allowed us to kind of do the

853
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,239
artist development that we grew up seeing
happen, but that clearly doesn't happen anymore.

854
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,319
So it was like the artists didn't
have to compromise anything. All we

855
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:41,079
needed them to do was show up
and create the best art they could make,

856
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:44,640
you know, not sacrifice their integrity. We would be the ones to

857
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,560
figure out how to package it,
distribute it, sell it, the whole

858
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,760
nine, and we got really lucky. A lot of these guys had never

859
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:56,359
played a show before, and now
they've played through all the beast, they

860
01:08:56,359 --> 01:09:00,640
have CDs distributed all over the country, like they're making really big headways,

861
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:04,239
and it makes us really proud that
we got to be involved in that and

862
01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:09,600
still keep sight of what we want
to do as artists as well. Yeah

863
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:12,880
that's fantastic. Yeah, I do
want to talk to you more about that,

864
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:14,760
but I also want to hear another
song. You guys want to do

865
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,079
another another songs? Sure, so
we go with the next. Yeah,

866
01:09:18,079 --> 01:09:21,399
we'll go with track three. So
this one's called Superpowers. This one,

867
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:25,960
this one's for all the artists tuning
in. Whatever your medium is. You're

868
01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:30,119
a writer, a photographer, a
painter, or a radio DJ, whatever

869
01:09:30,199 --> 01:09:33,800
your thing is, you know that
your art is your superpower. And as

870
01:09:33,800 --> 01:09:36,760
soon as you put that down and
you stop wielding that sword every day,

871
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:40,880
you lose touch with what makes you
you. And so this is all about

872
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:45,079
using your superpowers. Nice, nice, all right here, Cody Pope and

873
01:09:45,159 --> 01:10:02,840
Byron g Live in studio. Superpowers, Use your superpowers, use your superpowers.

874
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:06,359
Otherwise you might wake up and find
your lose your power. Use your

875
01:10:06,399 --> 01:10:12,560
superpowers. Use your superpowers. Otherwise
you might wake up and find you lose

876
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,800
your power. Use your superpowers.
Use your superpowers. Otherwise you might wake

877
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:21,960
up and find your loser power.
Use your superpowers. Use your superpowers.

878
01:10:24,399 --> 01:10:29,840
Yo, Nev Campbell scramble not no
when I'm ghosts face never written. Example

879
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:32,760
of Man show. When the Most
Taste slam like Titanic in the midst of

880
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,119
a boat race, jam just like
a sandwich. I'm best with bread and

881
01:10:36,279 --> 01:10:42,000
most case flee. Marvin in me
always starving from a feast, stomach grumbling.

882
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:45,560
You'll have to pardon the beasts and
then me scrumbling, stumbling on their

883
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:49,680
speech. That's why I shopping my
knives and land on my feet. Earth

884
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:55,119
the kitch, shit flow like Catwoman's
balance, Someday's stoic. Some days of

885
01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:59,960
magnum heart and malice, signals of
misery, giving me bops like Travis crazy

886
01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:03,760
but not insane, constantly wreaking,
halfing, Elliott Gould cool via the Long

887
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:09,399
Goodbye. They telling me that I'm
fooled for having Knights on the prize cries

888
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:13,399
from the audience, but critics viewing
lies. It's life. I live cinematic

889
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,560
by ticket you when n y'all.
The movies understand me better than most of

890
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:20,279
my friends. Songs I hear in
my headphones he me from feeling dead.

891
01:11:20,479 --> 01:11:25,840
Books are my favorite authors. The
sponsores I never had, and a superpower.

892
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:30,079
The monsters are never bad. The
movies understand me better than most of

893
01:11:30,079 --> 01:11:32,720
my friends. Songs I hear in
my headphones keep me from feeling dead.

894
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,640
Books are my favorite authors. The
sponsors I never had? When as your

895
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:42,119
superpower, the monsters are never bad? Nick and Na watching Nick and Knight

896
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:45,560
and maybe Breathless. I make off
from the heart that some deemed reckless.

897
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,800
In the morning, play your Love
Supreme for breakfast. Before I hit the

898
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:54,000
road, I leave a pearl necklace. Do I come here? Often?

899
01:11:54,079 --> 01:11:58,880
Hallucinations of grandeur travel far and wide, but always come back to New Hampshire

900
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:04,920
Tropic of Virgo reading Tropica Cancer Suspiria
to any student transfer dancer. I'm letting

901
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:10,319
it cut when blowing smoked with peer
recites in Heaven a beautiful loser who music

902
01:12:10,359 --> 01:12:14,920
writes like Confessions Different. Now my
rear window will real romanditary end. Now

903
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:16,840
watch him die, you, watch
him ride like a cherry. Yet I

904
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:21,279
won't let you bevery get you will
find the bodies autis given me your life.

905
01:12:21,279 --> 01:12:25,600
That won'te me time for hobbies.
Days, keep moving faster to when

906
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:29,279
laps like Ricky Bobby Y, I'm
exhibited and gall LaBrie who locked out of

907
01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:33,359
the lobby. Oh, I love
it, I love it, Cody Pope

908
01:12:33,399 --> 01:12:38,600
and Byron's here here with us in
studio live on Matt Connerton Unleashed here from

909
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:44,079
WMH ninety five point three FM,
and uh I love the positivity. Awesome,

910
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:45,760
Thank you. You know that was
that was really important for me.

911
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:51,039
You know, people that know my
back catalog um a lot of what got

912
01:12:51,079 --> 01:12:55,920
me. I you know, have
a very like dark past, much like

913
01:12:56,039 --> 01:13:00,239
a lot of people, and so
like my first few albums really dealt with

914
01:13:00,279 --> 01:13:04,520
me learning how to cope and recover
and deal with some of the things that

915
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:10,399
I had been through, and so
it was incredibly cathartic music. But looking

916
01:13:10,399 --> 01:13:13,239
back on it, some of it
is really hard to listen to, and

917
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,079
I can understand why, not only
for me. I mean, obviously I

918
01:13:16,119 --> 01:13:20,319
know why it's hard for me,
but I can understand why for the average

919
01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:24,680
listener. It's you know, if
you're in a tough spot, listening to

920
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:28,319
somebody that's trying to climb out of
a tough spot, you're either going to

921
01:13:28,359 --> 01:13:32,600
see motivation or you're going to see
struggle. And so when we got together

922
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,920
to work on music, I had
always told him I was like, one

923
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:41,359
of the things that's really important for
me going forward is I don't want to

924
01:13:41,359 --> 01:13:45,880
lose sight of how I write and
how raw and vulnerable I try to keep

925
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:49,760
my storytelling. But I just want
to show that there's like a flip side

926
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:54,119
to the coin and that I've been
able to turn some of these things around.

927
01:13:54,279 --> 01:13:57,159
And so meet me in Gate City. I really feel like it is

928
01:13:57,199 --> 01:14:01,000
like the first album where I've tried
to exercise that mentality of like, look,

929
01:14:01,039 --> 01:14:05,560
I can address that things are horrible
and everything is tough, but I

930
01:14:05,640 --> 01:14:10,880
need to show people that I have
the strength to overcome adversity and that hopefully

931
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,479
they will too, right right,
Yeah, no, I like that absolutely.

932
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:16,279
If you got any questions or anything
at all for these guys, the

933
01:14:16,319 --> 01:14:20,760
studio line is open six zoo three
two five six seven six three two five

934
01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:25,680
six zo seven Again, we have
Cody Pope and Byron Gee here with us

935
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:30,319
in studio. Ronda in the chat
room, our friend from California. She

936
01:14:30,399 --> 01:14:33,359
says, damn, y'all got folks
driving looking at me. Funny because I'm

937
01:14:33,359 --> 01:14:40,079
popping and locking in the car.
Let's go love these guys awesome much love.

938
01:14:40,359 --> 01:14:43,600
Yeah, Jenny is enjoying it very
much. She says, they are

939
01:14:43,640 --> 01:14:46,640
awesome. I love this awesome,
Thank you, thank you. Let's see.

940
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:51,239
Chris from the band Edgewise is asking
about the label if it's a genre

941
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:57,000
specific No, because he says,
asking for a friend, I don't know

942
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,000
if you guys know Edgewise, Yeah, no, shout out to them.

943
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:02,479
They're you know, they're definitely notable
around around the New England culture. Oh

944
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:06,800
yeah, yeah, and I even
wear their hat, right but no,

945
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:11,760
so so me personally, Like I
grew up in like the punk and hardcore

946
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:15,119
realm. That was very much what
got me into being in the music scene

947
01:15:15,199 --> 01:15:19,199
and caring and being as passionate about
music because I am. When I was

948
01:15:19,239 --> 01:15:23,600
like twelve years old, my sister
brought me to some of my first hardcore

949
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:27,359
shows and some of my friends brought
me to my first punk shows, and

950
01:15:27,720 --> 01:15:31,439
that just carried me through life.
And so I still carry a huge love

951
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:36,520
and passion for all that. And
my taste is eclectic anyway. So when

952
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:40,239
you look at the roster, we
have a lot of hip hop on our

953
01:15:40,319 --> 01:15:44,520
roster, but that's also because like
we're hip hop artists and so we move

954
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:46,359
in that circle and it's easy for
us to move like that. But um,

955
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:50,640
we actually just did a record label
pop up shop at Bridge nine Records

956
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:55,319
in Boston, which is like a
more like hardcore like a kind of like

957
01:15:55,359 --> 01:15:58,920
a legendary hardcore label. Yeah,
and we set up shop and we're just

958
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:01,880
talking with a bunch of other record
labels and sharing game and trading records and

959
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,800
stuff, and uh, you know, it's really important for us to show

960
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:09,680
people the parallels that hip hop,
punk, rock, hardcore, metal,

961
01:16:10,279 --> 01:16:13,840
you know, even like gonzo journalism, all of these different things that we

962
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:17,000
like, love, motorcycle culture,
all these things parallel in so many different

963
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:20,920
ways. Yeah, and it's important
for our music to kind of represent a

964
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:26,920
lot of that, like working class
ethic as opposed to just like what people

965
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:31,159
expect from hip hop traditionally, right
right. Yeah, absolutely very cool.

966
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:36,119
Melanie Liberty from the great State of
Vermont. Also really enjoying you guys.

967
01:16:36,279 --> 01:16:41,439
Yeah, much love show out to
Vermont. Vermont. Vermont has always been

968
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:45,560
good to the hell Hound crew.
Our first show this year, actually we

969
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:47,920
did, I want to say it
was January something, I forget what the

970
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,119
date was, but it was snow
and it was in January. We played

971
01:16:51,359 --> 01:16:55,760
up at Sugar Loaf Mountain. We
played. They have like a little bar

972
01:16:56,079 --> 01:16:59,800
up there where they do some crazy
hip hop shows, and so we brought

973
01:17:00,039 --> 01:17:02,960
everybody that was on the record label
roster up there and played and it was

974
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:06,439
like one of the funniest shows we've
ever done. Um, so we we

975
01:17:06,479 --> 01:17:10,439
got a ton of love for Vermont. Shout out to mister Burns, shout

976
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:14,479
out to all the Vermont crew up
there. Very nice. Yeah, Chris

977
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:18,279
from my edgewise, she says love
cross promotion will connect awesome. Yeah,

978
01:17:18,359 --> 01:17:24,920
please please get in touch with us
Hellham Publishing dot com at Hellhelm Publishing.

979
01:17:25,119 --> 01:17:29,079
You can get a hold of us
anywhere. Check out all our music we

980
01:17:29,159 --> 01:17:31,199
got. We got CD samplers that
we try to put in the local record

981
01:17:31,239 --> 01:17:34,840
stores and stuff like that. So
if you're connected to a record store and

982
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:39,600
you care about physical music, get
in touch with us and we'll give you

983
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:43,439
some free stuff to give out.
Yeah, yeah, excellent. Also a

984
01:17:43,439 --> 01:17:47,119
Board seven one of our friends from
Greensboro, North Carolina checking in in the

985
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:51,039
chat as well. Um. Yeah, so so it's funny. You know,

986
01:17:51,079 --> 01:17:56,079
I used to work for you guys. Remember Strawberries. Yeah, yeah,

987
01:17:56,119 --> 01:17:58,159
oh yeah, I used I used
to work there. I worked at

988
01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:01,680
a bunch of different locations, but
I remember people, and you know,

989
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,880
and then eventually it became fye.
But I remember when I worked there,

990
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:10,680
and I left that company in twenty
thirteen, but even then, people were

991
01:18:11,039 --> 01:18:14,039
People would come in and they'd be
like, wow, people still buy CDs,

992
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:15,479
And I mean, what do you
guys think it is that, you

993
01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,399
know, in this digital age,
some people still want a CD. I

994
01:18:18,399 --> 01:18:23,079
assume it's because if you're really a
fan of somebody, you want the artwork,

995
01:18:23,239 --> 01:18:25,880
you know, and yeah, you
just want everything that goes with it.

996
01:18:26,039 --> 01:18:29,600
I think there's just so much that
goes into that listening experience where it's,

997
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,680
like you said, having the artwork, being able to open the liner

998
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:34,600
notes. You know. One thing
we talk about all the time, especially

999
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:39,039
me being like an old like punk
and hardcore kid, is like I learned

1000
01:18:39,039 --> 01:18:43,000
about music through liner notes. I
would be finding out about bands and I

1001
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:48,399
would blind by CDs at Newberry Comics
or at Strawberries off of what this band

1002
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,720
had in their liner notes. And
so we try to carry that on as

1003
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:56,520
well and thank people from our community
and artists and people that really matter to

1004
01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:59,000
us. You know. We try
to tell the story of how the record

1005
01:18:59,079 --> 01:19:02,960
was made. All the photography is
usually done by like our team in house.

1006
01:19:03,119 --> 01:19:06,159
Shout out to Nicolette Ryan, my
girlfriend. She did the cover for

1007
01:19:06,279 --> 01:19:10,000
Meet Me and Gate City as well
as a lot of our other albums.

1008
01:19:11,159 --> 01:19:14,920
And so there's like that part of
it. There's like the listening part of

1009
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,119
it, which is like when you
put a CD in, whether you're in

1010
01:19:16,119 --> 01:19:20,359
the car or at home cleaning the
house or whatever, you're gonna probably listen

1011
01:19:20,399 --> 01:19:25,399
to it top to bottom. It's
an easy play to just put on and

1012
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:30,119
let it skip, versus having it
on a digital playlist or something. We're

1013
01:19:30,199 --> 01:19:34,439
not adverse to like the digital streaming
world. You know, we jokingly we

1014
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:39,840
will say that we are from time
to time. But CDs have just provided

1015
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:43,840
a great benefit to us. Obviously, they help us fund the label and

1016
01:19:43,880 --> 01:19:47,439
fund you know people are people understand
that they're investing in keeping our label going

1017
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:53,399
and helping us pay these artists,
even if it's a couple hundred bucks here

1018
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:57,720
and there. We're investing in keeping
them going and building upon their platform.

1019
01:19:58,079 --> 01:20:00,560
So that part of it's really important. And there's just like a collectibility to

1020
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:04,760
it too, where it's like,
you know, having all of the different

1021
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:10,359
catalog numbers and having the CDs and
which artwork are you going to display on

1022
01:20:10,399 --> 01:20:12,880
your shelf you know, or which
one are you going to listen to in

1023
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:16,199
the car? You know? It
creates conversation. People have to come up

1024
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:20,279
and talk to us at the merch
table. We know who our listeners are.

1025
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:27,520
We have so many of the names
and addresses of the people that support

1026
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:30,760
us, and so we can contact
them directly and keep that that line of

1027
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:38,199
communication open without getting lost in We're
not that popular on Instagram. We don't

1028
01:20:38,199 --> 01:20:40,920
get that many likes on a post, so no one's going to see our

1029
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:45,000
next video. Those things are gonna
We're always gonna have to overcome that adversity.

1030
01:20:45,359 --> 01:20:50,039
But why not have this like handshake
deal where it's like, you like

1031
01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:53,680
our music, so you're going to
be the first one to get it,

1032
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,199
and we're going to give it to
you in the best format and the best

1033
01:20:56,279 --> 01:20:59,159
quality that we can do. Yeah, and these people, you know,

1034
01:20:59,239 --> 01:21:01,119
and the more these people buy the
CDs, we're going to be able to

1035
01:21:01,119 --> 01:21:05,640
do vinyl eventually well, and we'll
keep expanding because we love physical media as

1036
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:09,640
a whole. You'll notice in the
gift pack that I gave you there's actually

1037
01:21:09,680 --> 01:21:14,239
a book in there. We put
out a book in twenty twenty one.

1038
01:21:15,079 --> 01:21:16,399
I'm I'm gonna ahead and open this
now. Yeah, go for it,

1039
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:20,920
talking about Yeah, definitely please do. Um. We we helped co publish

1040
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:25,840
a book with the Underground Writers Association
and so it's a it's a volume of

1041
01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:30,079
all poetry of people from like New
Hampshire and South Africa. UM. So

1042
01:21:30,119 --> 01:21:35,279
it's a really cool collaboration that the
Underground Writers Association pulled together and we got

1043
01:21:35,319 --> 01:21:40,079
really lucky to help co publish that. But I've always wanted to put out

1044
01:21:40,119 --> 01:21:44,800
books and so that was kind of
like our first foray into getting the books

1045
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,119
printed and how to learn how to
do all that. This is really well

1046
01:21:47,159 --> 01:21:51,159
sealed. Yeah. By the by
the way, Jenny, they brought one

1047
01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:55,680
for you too, so I'll be
bringing you home one of these. But

1048
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,520
um, I'm thinking, I'm do
you guys want to do another song?

1049
01:22:00,039 --> 01:22:03,199
I mean I won't say no,
why don't, because I'm thinking, uh,

1050
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:05,880
if you want to do another song, And while you're doing that,

1051
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:12,279
I'll figure out how to open At
least we know it's secure. Shout out

1052
01:22:12,319 --> 01:22:15,680
to everyone that orders through our web
store, because now you know that our

1053
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,960
packaging is secure. When you get
your packs in the mail, I can

1054
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,159
attest. No, that's a good
thing. That's a good thing. But

1055
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:25,479
yeah, I'll find something sharp to
open it with. But yeah, you

1056
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:29,600
guys want to do uh we go, let's jump to seven? I think

1057
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:35,079
seven? Yeah? No, sorry
you thinking of six? Six is six

1058
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:41,239
is diminished? Seven is the business
the realness? Yeah, I have it.

1059
01:22:41,319 --> 01:22:45,000
I have it numbered wrong. We
wrote down a different set. That's

1060
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:46,880
another reason why we make CDs.
Has a track listing on the back.

1061
01:22:47,039 --> 01:22:49,479
Yeah, gotcha, gotcha? Yeah, this song, this, this,

1062
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:53,720
this song, this, little This
little ditty right here is called the Realness.

1063
01:22:54,199 --> 01:22:57,039
Oh, the Realness? Oh what
did I said? The Business?

1064
01:22:57,119 --> 01:22:59,680
Why did? That's a great title
too, shout out to the business though.

1065
01:22:59,680 --> 01:23:03,319
It's a great hardcore bion. Here
you go. All right, yeah,

1066
01:23:03,319 --> 01:23:05,600
boy, maybe I need to get
my eyes checked. I'd lasic and

1067
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:09,399
everything. I'm starting to wonder.
All right, So the realness that's the

1068
01:23:09,399 --> 01:23:11,840
one you're doing? All right?
Cool? All right here, it is

1069
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,439
the realness. This is uh Cody
Pope and Byron g with us live in

1070
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:50,880
studio. Laid dot yeah, laid
dot laid dot la dot do yo.

1071
01:23:51,279 --> 01:23:55,800
My life is bevern nesting, coldtrane
mixed in a blend of Most days are

1072
01:23:55,840 --> 01:23:59,119
complicated, beautiful if I remember.
Lately, though, I hate me.

1073
01:23:59,159 --> 01:24:01,079
I can't take no more. On
Novembers, nah, my best days was

1074
01:24:01,119 --> 01:24:04,520
a knighted too, had a bender. I thought I was moving on up

1075
01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:09,680
like mister Jefferson. Yet I'm a
loser, just waiting forward, check again,

1076
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:13,880
checking in, having hard times lately, texting friends, got money coming,

1077
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,239
but so broke. I needed second
hands. My family on sunny days

1078
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:20,359
and happy songs, I can't relate. Frankly, the reasons that I'm laughing

1079
01:24:20,399 --> 01:24:24,920
wrong, No, I got skilled, though i'd be laughing. Y'all just

1080
01:24:25,079 --> 01:24:28,920
need a path that I can successfully
travel. Lawn babbit long, calling them

1081
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:31,720
maybe existing burning up. I feel
bad more in my jams. Ain't got

1082
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:35,439
you turning up, whish when I
had chose more of you was turning up.

1083
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:40,720
But life goes on and hopefully,
But y'all just learning. Rarara the

1084
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:45,239
rab man yelle boom boom boom,
the bap so fell. The rawness should

1085
01:24:45,239 --> 01:24:49,119
not deter you from the realness.
That's why it's raw, because you gotta

1086
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:55,359
truly feel this. Ra ra ra
the rab man yelle boom boom boom,

1087
01:24:55,399 --> 01:25:00,000
the bap so fell. My brawns
should not deter you from the realness.

1088
01:25:00,399 --> 01:25:03,199
That's why it's raw, because you
gotta truly feel there. To understand man

1089
01:25:03,399 --> 01:25:08,319
is to crack the algorithm. Pieces
I can formulate, but better give in

1090
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:11,680
rhythm, hard to give the ants, to start them off with the mission

1091
01:25:12,239 --> 01:25:15,359
to answer. Life is like an
endless acquisition. Life be dishing, meet

1092
01:25:15,399 --> 01:25:19,319
things my stomach can't handle. No
money for no family, no pictures on

1093
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:24,520
no mantle. Matter of fact,
my life feel pretty dismantled. I take

1094
01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:28,319
the blame for some things. Money
mishandled. A lot of this just feel

1095
01:25:28,359 --> 01:25:32,359
a little circumstantial. Wonder writ how
long I live with her financials? Ask

1096
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:36,840
for pepperoni, they just give you
antchophies. Can't stand baloney from none of

1097
01:25:36,840 --> 01:25:41,720
these damn homie fingers to my head
in the shape of a gun. Enough

1098
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:45,640
vitamin D. I have to take
the sun. Wanna be a good enough

1099
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:48,039
man to raise the sun. But
I'm worried I'll be a failure if i

1100
01:25:48,079 --> 01:25:57,520
can't raise the funds. I'm done. Wow, I love those lyrics are

1101
01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:00,880
fantastic. Thank you man. I
appreciate that absolutely. If you're just joining

1102
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:04,199
us, we have Cody Pope and
Byron g with us live in studio here

1103
01:26:04,239 --> 01:26:09,439
on Matt Connerton Unleashed And for those
of you watching online, I'm gonna put

1104
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:11,640
the camera back on me for a
moment because I want to. So this

1105
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:15,960
is the I did get the package
open, and so this is this is

1106
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:19,159
the book that you were the wonderful
book that actually the camera's over here,

1107
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:24,279
the wonderful book that you were talking
about, this poetry book. Very cool.

1108
01:26:25,079 --> 01:26:29,840
So you obviously, so you don't
put out only CDs, No,

1109
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:31,720
no, no, we're trying to
expand as much as possible. Most of

1110
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:36,119
our music catalog is on CD right
now, but we try to do books.

1111
01:26:36,199 --> 01:26:41,199
We have like podcasts on YouTube and
stuff like that. Cool. It's

1112
01:26:41,239 --> 01:26:47,119
really just about keeping the like giving
artists of any artistic medium that fit that,

1113
01:26:47,239 --> 01:26:51,000
like raw vulnerable storytelling. That's really
I guess if you had to give

1114
01:26:51,079 --> 01:26:57,279
us an aesthetic, it's about just
being creatively free, but still you know,

1115
01:26:57,439 --> 01:27:01,239
being able to execute professionally and get
that across. Very cool. And

1116
01:27:01,399 --> 01:27:04,720
also a copy on CD of Meet
Me and Gate City, Cody Pope and

1117
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:10,760
Byron g And there's there's the back
of it there. And so you said

1118
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:14,199
your girlfriend did did the artwork for
this? Yeah, yeah, she did

1119
01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:16,560
the French. She did all the
photography for that one, as well as

1120
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,600
a lot of our other records.
Too cool cool, Yeah, I like

1121
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:24,920
it, very nice. And also
as a sampler a crew called hell Hound.

1122
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:27,319
Now hell Hound is the name of
the label, correct, yeah,

1123
01:27:27,319 --> 01:27:30,520
hell Hound Publishing, hell Hound Publishing. Yeah, very cool. Okay,

1124
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,960
so this has uh yeah, quite
a few how many how many artists you

1125
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:38,880
have actively on the label right now? Um? So. So it's it's

1126
01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:43,760
interesting because typically what we do is
like one album at a time. So

1127
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,439
some of the artists that we've put
out records for finished their album with us

1128
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:51,000
and are now moving on to other
things. And then we have some people

1129
01:27:51,039 --> 01:27:55,560
that are in the midst of an
album cycle right now. So we probably

1130
01:27:55,600 --> 01:28:00,199
have like five, five or six
active artists, but then we have like

1131
01:28:00,319 --> 01:28:04,439
seven or eight in total on the
roster, some of who we just at

1132
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:09,600
this point distribute the record that they
did with us. Okay, okay,

1133
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:12,159
we have a call. I think
somebody wants to talk to you. Guys.

1134
01:28:12,199 --> 01:28:15,439
Hey, welcome to Matt Connerton.
Unleash does this Hey, Matt,

1135
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:19,039
this is actually you calling in.
Thanks for taking my call. Wow,

1136
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:23,680
this is wonderful. I always dreamt
of the day where I'd get to talk

1137
01:28:23,680 --> 01:28:28,960
to myself. I'm curious if you
remembered to pick up toilet paper or if

1138
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:30,720
you plan to do it on the
way home. We need it to wipe

1139
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:36,039
our little bottom. Oh my goodness. Wow, I did not know that

1140
01:28:36,079 --> 01:28:39,880
we were out, but I'm really
glad that you told or I'm really glad

1141
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:44,159
that I told me. Our little
bottom can get a bit messy. Sometimes

1142
01:28:44,159 --> 01:28:46,399
it feels like we use too much
of that dang stuff toilet paper, I

1143
01:28:46,399 --> 01:28:51,479
mean right right toilet paper. I
remember actually called Hopwood, Oh John.

1144
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:55,600
I've always thought of him as a
father figure, mostly because he always tries

1145
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:59,119
to spank my little bottom. I
never let him, but he keeps asking,

1146
01:29:00,439 --> 01:29:02,960
this must be an AI thing.
Yes he does, he does.

1147
01:29:03,079 --> 01:29:09,319
How did I know that? I
just mostly wanted to say that I am

1148
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:12,720
very nice and very much a sweet
little boy, and even though my bottom

1149
01:29:12,760 --> 01:29:15,560
gets a bit messy, I am
a nice guy and someone that people love.

1150
01:29:16,279 --> 01:29:20,079
That's very nice. Thank you.
Oh and one more thing. Hopwood

1151
01:29:20,079 --> 01:29:24,600
looks like an eighty six year old
toddler and he makes us mush up bananas

1152
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:30,640
for him for lunch. Well,
yes, yes that is uh goodbye,

1153
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:32,279
Matt be at home in the mirror. Thank you? Yes, well,

1154
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:35,039
very such. I'll tell you what. That's a first for me. I've

1155
01:29:35,079 --> 01:29:41,079
never gotten to speak to myself now. Is it possible that someone puts something

1156
01:29:41,119 --> 01:29:45,880
into my energy drink? And I
just hallucinated all of that? I mean,

1157
01:29:46,359 --> 01:29:49,199
I don't know. Somebody must have
put something in my something too?

1158
01:29:49,239 --> 01:29:56,319
There? Yeah, wow, that
was that was crazy. I felt like

1159
01:29:56,359 --> 01:30:00,640
I spoke a little bit faster just
now than I usually do on the phone.

1160
01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,439
Oh maybe not anyway. Wow,
all right, well I'm glad you

1161
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:08,439
guys were here for that. Yeah, that was the first Yeah, that

1162
01:30:08,600 --> 01:30:11,960
was that was never a dull moment
up up in here. That was fun.

1163
01:30:12,079 --> 01:30:15,560
That was fun. Oh also too, in the package just before we

1164
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:19,279
sew those uh some stickers here in
a couple of cards. Thank you for

1165
01:30:19,319 --> 01:30:24,319
your support. Absolutely, no,
you guys. Um, Yeah, I'm

1166
01:30:24,319 --> 01:30:27,159
really impressed with what you guys are
doing. By the way, how long

1167
01:30:27,279 --> 01:30:29,359
is uh? I know you told
me this already, I'm sure, but

1168
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:31,479
how long is the label? When
did the label start? Twenty eighteen?

1169
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:35,399
Okay, yeah, like you guys, so that's what five years? So

1170
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:39,880
you got a math. But it
seems like you guys have accomplished a lot

1171
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,920
in uh in five years. That's
that's really impressive. Yeah, definitely.

1172
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,520
I feel really fortunate. It took
us a couple of years to like get

1173
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:47,840
it off the ground, but these
last two years have just been phenomenal for

1174
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,880
us. Learned a whole lot,
a whole lot in these last two years.

1175
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:56,800
Yeah for sure. Yeah. Bill
Fee is in the chatwoman much love

1176
01:30:56,880 --> 01:31:02,000
to Fee the evolutionist lyrical Yeah,
he says Cody Pope and Byron Glenn are

1177
01:31:02,079 --> 01:31:06,520
the bomb Let's go love the songs
yep, and that's out to you.

1178
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:11,720
Bill Jenny says, oh I love
stickers. Yes, she does us.

1179
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:15,079
Hit us up Hellhound Publishing dot Com. We'll hook you up with some stickers

1180
01:31:15,119 --> 01:31:17,399
for sure. Ye, there you
go, there you go. Um,

1181
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:19,880
did you guys want to do one
more song before we run out of time?

1182
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:25,800
Or I mean I'm not not like
opposed, Yeah, I mean yeah,

1183
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:29,439
I'm up for whatever one you think
we should do. Matt, you

1184
01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:36,039
pick want he's a dealer's choice.
Oh my goodness. Um, four and

1185
01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:43,000
nine are skits? Oh okay?
So, um, I know this is

1186
01:31:43,279 --> 01:31:46,880
no. Nine's not a skit.
I think eight is. Oh nine is

1187
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:50,920
called chopping stone. Oh yeah,
so that's like an interlude? Oh oh

1188
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:57,880
okay uh? Or what about an
anthemic? Yeah, I was either that

1189
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:00,399
I was in, say anthemic or
PDSD. Yeah that could be kind of

1190
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:08,720
cool. So either what is that
eleven or six? Yeah? Since six

1191
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:12,960
is diminished, it says yeah,
yeah, oh yeah, is that that's

1192
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,439
the right one though? Or yeah? Can we yeah? Can we do?

1193
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:17,840
So? We don't we don't play
this song live. It shows this

1194
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:21,319
kind of goes back to, um, you know when you're when you're playing

1195
01:32:21,359 --> 01:32:25,640
live, you got to keep a
certain energy. Yeah. Um, but

1196
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,520
when I wrote this, we wrote
this song for the album, and it's

1197
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,199
a little bit of a concept song. Um, I was really in there's

1198
01:32:31,239 --> 01:32:34,880
like an old NAS song that he
does from like the perspective of the gun.

1199
01:32:35,319 --> 01:32:40,279
Yeah, and uh, you know
I gave you power and so I

1200
01:32:40,359 --> 01:32:43,520
kind of took uh, well you'll
figure it out by the end of the

1201
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:47,119
song, but I took something that
I was dealing with and tried to manifest

1202
01:32:47,119 --> 01:32:51,159
it into its own person. And
so like throughout the song, you'll quickly

1203
01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:57,520
pick up who PD is the songs
called PTSD. Okay, this was track

1204
01:32:57,600 --> 01:32:59,159
six. I just want to make
sure I grabbed the r I one.

1205
01:32:59,319 --> 01:33:02,000
Yes, that's all right, cool, all right here Here they are Cody

1206
01:33:02,079 --> 01:33:08,039
Pope and Byron g live in studio. About a minute since we've done doesn't

1207
01:33:08,119 --> 01:33:10,439
say, don't don't yell at me
for having my cheat sheet out here.

1208
01:33:10,960 --> 01:33:14,439
Don't worries, I just figure it. We never do this one. It's

1209
01:33:14,479 --> 01:33:20,840
cool to do it here for a
little rare radio performance. Shout out to

1210
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:30,880
everybody holding on. I knew this
cat PTSD. He was always testy,

1211
01:33:30,039 --> 01:33:33,159
the type to have a few drinks
sake, come and test me. Pete

1212
01:33:33,239 --> 01:33:38,319
would never ever dare to be bested, even if it means his ass got

1213
01:33:38,399 --> 01:33:42,880
arrested. Always stressing hard to understand
why your man will leave it? Let

1214
01:33:42,880 --> 01:33:45,319
the hands fly on a damn fly. One of the views whom y'all never

1215
01:33:45,399 --> 01:33:49,479
seen the man cry. Whatever you
plan to do, he's probably anti Send

1216
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:55,000
Nickel comedian at everyone's expense, funny
till it's on you. You probably on

1217
01:33:55,039 --> 01:33:59,119
the fence with Linda. Make tests
a lot. They don't ment opinion so

1218
01:33:59,319 --> 01:34:02,399
strong, my odd, they don't
bend. Nobody's asking, Nobody know how

1219
01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:06,399
we're doing. Look like he's winning, but really inside he's losing. Maybe

1220
01:34:06,399 --> 01:34:10,720
not the race, but the destiny
that's looming, a type of hell.

1221
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:14,399
Most certain track you win. Man, I can't stand the man I see

1222
01:34:14,439 --> 01:34:17,199
in the mirror. Man that the
man's way morer and way clearer. They

1223
01:34:17,239 --> 01:34:20,560
say, life is beauty, but
some days I feel a less fever or

1224
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:25,159
death, even if she be nearer. Man, I can't stand the man

1225
01:34:25,239 --> 01:34:28,600
I see in the mirror, A
man that the man's way marving, way

1226
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:30,800
cleverer. They say, life is
beauty. Was some days I fear a

1227
01:34:31,079 --> 01:34:34,840
less fear or death, even if
she being nearer. It hurts him to

1228
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:39,520
hate and fail this hard. It's
worth it to wait. They want him

1229
01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:44,039
to stall. Don't feel like he's
making it too next fall, I can't

1230
01:34:44,039 --> 01:34:48,880
take it, can't fake it at
all. That damnage American prosperity doesn't say

1231
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:55,199
that only to talk scarily. Life
is not a dream merrily merrily these days,

1232
01:34:55,239 --> 01:34:58,640
honest is something that summer's there to
be. Trying to write to those

1233
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:00,840
who may relate. If you feel
this feeling, and I hope you find

1234
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:04,520
real escape. Not supposed to use
eye as much as I do, But

1235
01:35:04,640 --> 01:35:08,800
when I was stuck on age,
didn't want to die, dude, Life

1236
01:35:08,800 --> 01:35:12,079
will get better. Feels like another
lie too. I don't want to live

1237
01:35:12,159 --> 01:35:15,800
in the world where I get lied
too. Don't want to misconstrue you as

1238
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:18,119
on my side, dude, Just
to wait in the time to say goodbye

1239
01:35:18,199 --> 01:35:21,199
to man. I can't stand the
man. I see in the mirror of

1240
01:35:21,239 --> 01:35:25,880
the man that the man's way morvering, way cleverer. They say life is

1241
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:29,640
beauty, but some days I feel
a less feed ragette, even if she

1242
01:35:29,800 --> 01:35:32,319
being nearer man. I can't stand
the man I see in the mirror of

1243
01:35:32,399 --> 01:35:36,079
the man that the man's way morrer
and way cleverer. They say life is

1244
01:35:36,079 --> 01:35:40,960
beauty, but some days I fear
a less fear Rogette, even if she's

1245
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:55,600
being nearer. Not too shabby.
Yeah, well done, gentleman, Well

1246
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:58,600
done. I love it. I
love it. Guys. We are just

1247
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:00,520
about out of time, so I
want to make sure before we go.

1248
01:36:01,239 --> 01:36:03,760
I want to make sure everybody knows
where to find you online, where to

1249
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:08,000
keep up with what you're doing,
your website, any social media, upcoming

1250
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,119
shows you want us to know about
anything at all, Just to make sure

1251
01:36:11,279 --> 01:36:14,319
our listeners know where to find you. Awesome, Thank you so much for

1252
01:36:14,359 --> 01:36:17,439
having us. It's been a blast
honor to be here. Everybody that's been

1253
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:20,479
tuned in, Thank you guys for
all to love once again. We're Cody

1254
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:26,199
Pope and Byron g On behalf of
Hellhound Publishing. You can find us at

1255
01:36:26,319 --> 01:36:32,279
www dot Hellhound Publishing dot com or
at Hellhound Publishing. Across social media.

1256
01:36:32,399 --> 01:36:40,119
You can find me personally at Cody
Pope HC. That's Hellhound Crew cross platforms,

1257
01:36:40,279 --> 01:36:45,279
and you can find Byron at BG
six Zo three, excellent, excellent.

1258
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:47,239
Do you have any shows coming up
in the area. Yeah, So

1259
01:36:47,840 --> 01:36:51,119
next Sunday, we're going to be
playing at the Nashua Farmers Market. We're

1260
01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:55,039
actually gonna be doing a two hour
set that day, so we're gonna Yeah,

1261
01:36:55,039 --> 01:36:57,640
so it's going to be in a
rare set for us where we're pulling

1262
01:36:57,640 --> 01:37:01,720
out a lot of deep cuts,
a lot of unreleased songs, obviously songs

1263
01:37:01,720 --> 01:37:03,840
from Meet Me and Gate City.
But yeah, it's going to be a

1264
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:09,199
really special performance. We haven't performed
in a while now, so this is

1265
01:37:09,239 --> 01:37:11,880
going to be a really big way
for us to kick in the door.

1266
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:15,119
It's the first farmers Market of the
season for Nashua and be in some Gate

1267
01:37:15,159 --> 01:37:19,319
City boys. We love anything.
Yeah, you know, different audience than

1268
01:37:19,319 --> 01:37:23,960
our usual crowd, so yeah,
we really love trying to cater to those

1269
01:37:24,039 --> 01:37:27,600
kind of events. You know,
we always appreciate a good challenge, and

1270
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:30,239
I say that in an endearing way, because you know, the non hip

1271
01:37:30,319 --> 01:37:34,800
hop listener is different than the people
that are going out of their way sure

1272
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:38,880
to take it in. So we
always try to challenge ourselves to put on

1273
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:44,279
an extra special show that will welcome
everybody graciously, hopefully and I think what

1274
01:37:44,399 --> 01:37:46,439
you guys do is accessible in that
way anyway. Thank you, that's really

1275
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:51,680
yeah, yeah, absolutely wonderful to
have you guys on today. Cody Pope,

1276
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:55,560
Byron Gee, thank you guys so
much. Let's thank you. Let's

1277
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:58,880
do this again, and let's not
let another six years or eight years or

1278
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:02,399
whatever. Absolutely, we're only twenty
five minutes down the road. Yes you

1279
01:38:02,399 --> 01:38:04,960
say when and we'll be here.
Man, thank you so much for having

1280
01:38:05,039 --> 01:38:09,199
us. Yeah, man, absolutely, thank you guys. And hey,

1281
01:38:09,199 --> 01:38:11,560
if you miss any part of today's
show it we'll be up in just a

1282
01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:15,800
little bit at WMH radio dot org
and at my website Matt Connerton dot com

1283
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:21,039
if you are listening live on Tuesday, right after this show is through the

1284
01:38:21,079 --> 01:38:27,279
Stage Door with Rob Dye on and
then coming up at seven pm as a

1285
01:38:27,359 --> 01:38:30,479
replay of Retrospectrum Radio. If you
miss it, all right, Brooklyn Mike

1286
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:31,920
is on the line, and we
always he always gets in right at the

1287
01:38:31,960 --> 01:38:34,720
end, but we always have time
for Brooklyn Mike. Brooklyn Mike, how

1288
01:38:34,720 --> 01:38:39,520
are you hi? Good Matt real
quick, I know you've got to close

1289
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:41,920
out the show. I just want
to say, these guys are awesome,

1290
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:46,760
excellently are great positive message. Keep
doing what you're doing. You know,

1291
01:38:46,920 --> 01:38:50,479
I'm not generally a hip hop set
fan, but you know, as a

1292
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:55,039
musician and singer and songwriter, good
music is good music, and these guys

1293
01:38:55,039 --> 01:38:58,600
are doing it right. Man.
That thank you so much. That means

1294
01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:00,479
more homes we can say, thank
you, Thank you, Brooklyn Mike,

1295
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:03,880
You're welcome pop the great work,
guys, Matt, I love you.

1296
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:06,239
I'll talk to you later, all
right, you two man, thank you,

1297
01:39:06,279 --> 01:39:10,279
Bye bye, all right, the
great Brooklyn Mike. All right,

1298
01:39:10,319 --> 01:39:14,439
gentlemen, thank you again so much. And that's it for us for now.

1299
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:15,359
We'll talk to y'all a little bit
later. Bye, everybody.