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so welcome to episode thirty seven of Paranormal Pendel, broadcasting too the Paranormal UK
Radio Network at pa uk radio dot com. So yeah, we're back after
a break and it's great to be back. I'm back with two of my
favorite, possibly my two favorite guests of all time, Ash and Greg from
Pursuit of the Paranormal podcast. I thinks about the third time we've had a
chat on on my podcast, and I think I've been on yours about two
or three times, so it's always great to catch up. Guys. How
are you Yeah, very well, Yeah, doing good things, excellent,
busy, busy. Yeah, well you've got some big news, haven't you,
which is one of the reasons why I wanted to get you on as
soon as I could, because obviously, you know, in a lot of
a lot of people want to talk to you at the moment about your book
that you've both released, which was real nice surprise. When I saw it
pop up on Facebook, I thought, why that looks you know, it
does look really interesting. I've had a quick look at it. I must
have met have skimmed it. I'm not a chance to read it properly yet,
but I will do. But what I have read is really well put
together, really interesting, and it covers massive area, doesn't it. It's
all about ghosts of the United States of America, which of course is a
massive area, isn't it. So what was the idea behind it? Then?
What what was the what was the motivation behind doing it? So I
guess that kind of came from me. We this is going back only two
years now when we actually started this project, because we we're in the infancy
of the podcast and we were doing one episode of the week. We're doing
even doing that is be difficult getting a time, and I think, just
do one episode of the week. And then we interviewed Jerry Poley from the
Hillbilly Horror Stories podcast in America, and we're talking to him and his wife
who did their podcast full time and they do episodes every single day, and
I was just like, how can do episodes every day? That's just that's
just crazy. And from there are kind of shorter. Do you have like
full length episodes over an hour and you have short episodes ten minutes fifteen minutes
night? Personally, I like sennlinth episodes. I drive to work, it's
like fifteen minutes. Ye, well that's when I'm sord on and it lasts
the journey or maybe it's half an hour drive to work listening to personal I
drive back. So I had the idea with Greg of creating our own kind
of shorter episodes to accompany the main episode. So I main episodes every Tuesday
is usually an hour to an hour and a half. Thought, let's do
something that's a bit shorter, short up on episode and put on a Saturday.
So we sort of had the idea and apport, well, I'm just
thinking, what what could we do to create like a series like so each
one's connecting to each other. And I just started thinking that. So both
like America and there's fifty states in America, one episode a week. That's
the year's worth of content. So that's pretty much how it came about.
And both had the idea of just basically each state half bestical order, one
episode a week, and we alternate each week. So send the research and
preparing for the episode not too much work. So the first episode I would
do the research. I would kind of lead the episode, and then Greg
Wood research and lead the episode the week after. So we've only actually doing
sort of one episode every two weeks eeks, so we had to research and
prepare for the gave us that time to basically get this content together, so
we'll decided to Yeah, and that's how it came about. It's just having
this weekly episode looking at like a a case or series of cases in each
state, some well known and some never hit off before. Could it be
fair to kind of try and do lesser known stories. And one of the
thing about it actually had to stay off. One of the purchase of the
book was because they're quite into the Power Normal and they watched all the shows
and stuff and they mentioned how he hadn't like fair these stories on there.
I wentury to watch the stuff. I was like, yeah, that's why
I had to do it. Stuff that you're not heard before, we can't.
Hopefully there's it's something new in there for everyone because we've covered a wide
range of different stories that will go into what that's kind of how it came
about. Yeah, because it's quite easy to sort of recycle the well known
stuff, isn't it. I mean I found that, you know, writing
the two books that I've written. Can I ask you about it that then?
Because obviously it's a collaboration, So how did that work between you then
actually writing the book? So well, we we actually took inspiration really from
the episodes that we've done because initially it was going to be like almost like
a companion bit so if you didn't want to watch the YouTube videos because we've
done it in a video form while we've done it in an audio format,
you could sort of read it. Yeah, and so we kind of essentially
it became a big version of a small companion and it is sort of grew
to like I said, there's fifty there's fifty chapters in there, which was
two hundred and thirty one pages someone like forty thousand words. So we put
a lot of time into sort of just putting the information that we've captured in
the episodes, but not necessarily word for word. It was just, okay,
we covered this, so we'll research that for the book version, rather
than necessarily the just scripting everything. We everything we read out. So yeah,
it was interesting and there was and then we set to pull the photographs
and do the artwork so we could make it into something more consumable for people
who weren't really into YouTube, didn't really have the time. Yeah, I
mean, people still want to read a book, you know. I mean
there are still you know, there's not better than you know, I'm going
about and reading a book or sitting in from the fire and reading a book.
You know, people still do want to do that, despite the fact
that we're in this age now where everything's online. I mean, so basically,
you you'd sort of greg you'd right the chapters then and the ones that
you'd researched and that showed right, you would you would have thought we we
would have planned it a bit there to do that, but no, we
literally cut it off and said, right, I'll do the first twenty five
states, okay, and you do. And then we had a spread stea
and we had like we knew who's doing what we we we sort monitored how
many words are we're doing, so each chapter's roughly the same length, and
we can we went through each other's good to Pay tray five. I did
the second tray five, and then we then went through each other's and then
made edits and added things. Yeah, like ones like the ones that I
had on the resch or everything I could add to it or yeah, different
than just it was a good collaboration. Yeah, it worked, It did
well. Well. He really doesn't surprise me that you were so organized,
because it surprises me everything you seem to do, you know, all right,
from from the from the podcast and everything that you do always seems to
be really well organized. So, you know, whereas i'm that's quite a
way from the truth sometimes, I said yesterday, so if I put you
on the spot then and I mean, you know, you're not going to
be able to remember everything about every state or you But if I if I
put you on the spot and said, you know, I don't know New
York State, for instance, or I don't know South Dakota, you know,
would would you be able to sort of pick a story out of the
air or have a completely just bamboozled you with the other states. I mean,
or you pick a state then if if you know, I mean South
Daquolity. We talked about Deadwood, which isn't all I asked, sound absolutely,
Yeah, that's that's That's why I asked, because Deadwood actually is,
I think is one of the most brilliant series that's even been on TV.
And I know that that the town of Deadwood now realize heavily obviously on its
history, but also the sort of paranormal aspect to it as well. So
so I go on, then tell me Thomas to tell me about Deadwood then,
so it is. It's a literal ghost town. There's an old gold
mining town that came sort of came prosperous when all the goals came in,
all the businesses come to town, and then once the gold drives up,
they all go away and move on to the next town, which is very
common throughout like sort of the Midwest. Yeah, the maker and we am
cheating. So I'm just finding the air, just finding the pace. Especially,
I'm not on that false information. So we talked about a couple of
hotels in Deadwood. One of him is the Bullock Hotel which was as a
brothel at one point, and that's got quite a few ghosts that that aren't
including sepal of himself, many guests reports sort of all things happening, taps
turn on and off, right, they're seeing ourquitions at all in the hotel.
And there's the fair amount hotel. Again it was another brothel which was
very popular at the time. The business them in money and find some girls
of the night. Yeah, and they had the murders and suicides at the
hotel. A working girl drounded at the window died there. There's a lot
of death and tragedies that associated with a building, which is then led to
sort of untains and goals being seen today. Really. Yeah, well it
was a fairly lawless place one this so you know there's going to have been
a lot of incidents over the years and there where there's going to be a
lot of you know, a lot of emotional energy and a lot of a
lot of residual emotional energies. So you would imagine then that you know,
that's that's the footprint in it, that's that's the time stamp, as it
were. Where you can have these sort of different types of hauntings. You
know, you're occurring ones and also you're you know, you sort of want
politicized tack things. So yeah, No, definitely showed the artwork for the
book. No, it looks really impressive. I think it's See that's something
that people don't don't realize when you're putting a book together, and obviously these
days you can do it yourself Amazon, as you've done and I've done,
people don't realize just how difficult it is actually to get everything together. You
know, you haven't got a publisher behind you to do it. So I
mean, who came up with the artwork? Then? Whose idea was it
for the front cover? Because I think it's really striking? Was it?
Was it? You? Greg? Yeah? So go on was the inspiration
for it? Then? Well, I just look, I did a lot
of the artwork for the episodes as well, so I just I just think,
right, okay, us we wanted for each chapter, like ASH was
like an idea, less, let's get a mappy United States and we'll just
color it in each state. So essentially that led to the cover of the
book because that's the whole map that that features throughout. And I found some
ghost overlays and a few different overlays and a nice background, and that was
it. And I just I pining it over to Ash. It's like,
yeah, maybe we could do this this backwards and forwards, and then we
agree on it and we're all going, it's pretty painless. Really, it
looks great. It looks brilliant. I mean, what are your favorite states?
Then stop you, Greg, what's your favorite state? I've got two
Nevada, Okay, obviously I love Vegas and it would be easy to do
Area fifty one, but we didn't. We've done the haunting of the Luxhall
Hotel in Vegas because it's quite got quite a dark history when it was being
built, where essentially loads of people were dying during the building of it.
I just called up some details and basically it's it's always had a reputation as
being haunted. Anyway, a lot of people gamblers that if you've ever been
into the lups or all the rooms were like round the outside and up up
the pyramid, because it's it's a pyramid shape and you can see the lobby
from some of the landings, so people have chucked themselves off or being chucked
off the landings themselves of a drawing construction or drawing gambling, and essentially it
was quite it was quite doomed from the start. There was a lot of
money issues. There was cost cutting measures which the construction had loads of problems.
It was built a half the cost of neighboring establishments like Mirage, So
I don't know if you know Vegas, I'm not. We've got so you've
got the Lupsturs right down one end, and you've got the Mirage Hotel next
to it. It was rushed. It looks really cooluse it looks like a
pyramid and a night it's got a bright blue sort of light that just shines
up into the sky, so it's very easy to see from sort of miles
around. But the problem is because they tried to rush it up and cut
cut corners, lots of workers fell to their death. Some of them have
been left stand at the hotel forever. Basically, there's reports, eyewitness accounts
are speaking of paranormal activity within the walls, ghost lass paritions of construction workers,
and a prevailing sense of bad luck have become part and ingrained in the
hotel's history, which it's low having a feeling like I said, there's favor
isn't it obviously what not? Oh yeah, yeah, it's It's definitely great
for for a dark history and it appears on a lot of like dark history
places because it's so tragic. So yeah, people have had incidents or like
I said earlier, been pushed to their death. So that's my Nevada one.
That's really cool. And Utah was was one place that we had to
cover for Utah Now, skim Walker Runch it's just a cool place. Everybody
knows about skin Walker Runch. I think we would, although we tried to
pick lesser known stories. I think from a Utah point of view, skim
Walker Runch is sort of like the ultimate thing in Utah apart from yeah,
the Church of Latter day Saints so and the Moments because the Mormons are based
in Utah so and they're not really on our kind of paranormal page. So
yeah, so skin Walker Branch was. So they're my two favorites for definitely.
Is there anything around the Mormons and was there any anything that you found
around the Mormons? Now just not really right there, probably is. I
was just fixated on on Skinwalker at that point. Yeah, No, I'm
very interesting ash what about you, mate, what's your what's your favorite?
So for me it had to be me in West VIRGINI. Yeah, there's
just so many different things or passion gone down, the folklore around, so
many different types of monsters and stuff. But the black wards after they all
these different types of months, is just so much smoke law in the area.
So I was like talking about decide which one to pick, its sort
of one I wanted to do good episode, then one caught me out.
It's just something pretty different or anything else in the book, anything else we've
sort of talked about. And that was an amusement park, the Lake Shawnee
Amusement Park in mes Virginia, that just I have a lot of tragedy.
There are quite a few kids were killed by accident on the rides and also
just by one of the one Bill was hit by a truck as she was
on a ride in the swim pool. A couple of kids drowned in the
swim pool there. And it's also built on a Native American old bail ground.
So the people I was actually shut down after more kids have been tragically
killed there and then the business either is it really and then so a guy
bought it in the eighties and then just try and reopen, to try and
get it up to back up to being a part being part. And then
when they're doing some work there they discovered the battery of thirteen. It's buried
underneath the ground. Leave the bit back to sort of Native American time,
right and has been like just been the appuistion of the Native American warrior.
He's seen walking through the grounds. Yeah, after the definite of kids always
heard like kids buying and shouting for the month when they were drowning in the
pool and stuff. But there's nobody there. So there's all these different types
of trategies that happiness that one really brought me out of something against one a
bit different and that maybe not people that have not heard of before. Yeah,
I mean you think that the original owners, people who built it,
well, they've obviously never seen polterguy Stad there and it was probably it was
probably built built before Polterguars. I mean when when was it built? Late
nineteenth century? Was early twentieth century, so early that sort of time r
another one at Corney Islands around I think that's stir with twentieth century and it's
so it's funny, and I mean fun first, just just going off tangil
a little bit. I mean fun first seemed to they Douce, seemed to
attract a sort of dark energy, don't they. It's quite it's quite hard.
I mean, Blackpool Pleasure Beach has got an awful lot of stories attached
to it, hasn't it? A various different apparitions and entities, And you
know, I mean the one that always makes me smile is that that you
know, there have been a lot of a lot of sightings in the actual
ghost train ride of a worker who you know, similar stories to what you've
just been talking about, actually died during the construction of it. And so
you know a lot of people have seen the apparation of this construction worker.
So it is strange and how these sort of fun fast do seem to attract
these dark energies or that you know, these these ghosts that seem to have
come to some sort of tragic end and same attached to the places. It's
it is quite strange, isn't it. I think it might be to do
the fact that these places, like a lot of places we talked about,
have a lot of people come in through there's a lot of human traffic going
through these areas and a lot of then you have a lot a lot of
human traveling, a lot of energy and not all of it is good energy.
And yeah, that's it. And it's just like then trauma and tragic
events happen and it's just like a mix of just potentially like a horrible it's
really yeah, yeah, yeah, it's interesting. So the book is what
is it available? Where can we Where can we get? It's available on
Amazon if you say it's for Paranormal United States, which is the title,
it's the first result. Yeah, sable on Amazon. Source available on our
website to see at the paranormal dot com dot r k board slash shot and
also do sign copies on our shot as we have a book board that we
can send out if people won't be signed by one of us. And yeah
that that that's it. Really, don't you want to say? What's what
I really enjoyed about writing the book because when we did the series for the
podcast, I really enjoyed going through the states when to buy these cases,
you know, the new things, and when we did the what a year
later, revisiting all these states and these stories and just finding that more.
It's just it was it's took us over year throughout, but that was after
a year of doing the series on the podcast. It's just really enjoyed just
that side of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you do
sort of wonder where the time goes, don't you, because it just it
just goes so quick. But no, I mean, I'm sure he felt,
you know, a great deal of self satisfaction from from doing it,
you know, because it is you know, it's it's when people said to
me, you know, what, what what have you? What? What's
your claim to fame? And I said, well, you know, I've
written a couple of books and there on Amazon people are like, wow,
you know, what sort of buffs are they? And you know, once
you've done that, you've it's there forever really and something. Well, so
you pull it from Amazon obviously because you've got complete control over it, which
is which is good, you know, not publishers involved and that sort of
thing. I mean, are there any plans for a follow up? Any
ideas? Yeah, I can tell by the look on actually it's currently underway.
We're currently doing so all right, well you're going to keep in a
secret or and he tells what it's about. I don't think it would be
a surprise to anybody. Essentially, do you want to say as we could
do, like the World Exclusive weren't even talked about all the podcast. Yeah,
we talked. I just sent Asked a message the other day it said,
I don't chat to one Andy and I'm working in the photos And he's
like, what, so, yeah, we started you you you do the
World Exclusive on your own, ruined it a boy putting it on you.
Let's have a chat then about because because you two guys, I mean,
I always find it quite interesting that you asher really into the UFO side stuff
and you Gregor really into the paranormal side of stuff. And we know that
there is a crossover. I mean a lot of people you know and I
do stuff on both sides of it, but there is obviously a bit of
a crossover between the two. I think people are becoming more and more aware
of that as as time goes on. So from the USFO side of stuff,
I mean since the last time we spot, there's there's been a lot
of things in the news, hasn't there, especially from over the from over
the pond. So what what's your take on what's been going on ash with
with the UFO stuff, and you know what the US government has been saying
and that so, I mean, we've had these hearings, suppose the most
recent things these hearings and the David Brush testimony that he came forward with,
and it's just it's just been surreal to to what's these this this Congress hearing
and how Ryan Graves, David Fraeber, and David Brush under all talking about
these experiences that had these obviously bying the evidence, and like the reports from
the pilots, I've seen the attack the fol side of it, and then
we've got the Grand Grays, one from the East coast, seen these cubes
and spars and saying all this on the testimony which has never been done before.
The David Gusto again under Underwall, saying that he's seeing or has provide
evidence to close obviously can't anouncing public, but provide evidence to the intelligence community
that there's crass retrievals happened to unknown praps, and there's been non human biologics
recovered out of these graphs, and to be saying just to hear them words
in this setting, it's just been the most crazy thing. We did a
two our episode like after that, hearing just thinking deep into the East,
different section of it, and the main key think, the main king points
of of it is non human biologics recovered. It's kind of a but it's
again the wording, it's just we've never heard before. And also that people
at least provided evidence that people within the intelligence community are being threatened, assaulted,
even possibly murdered by how he rops covering up that they got this information
and to be saying that it's a congress on the whole that they know this
has been happening. That just blows open the whole conspiracy. And it's just
been a whirlwind a couple of months. It's just been absolutely incredible what's been
coming out. What's I mean said? And a line obviously more it's going
to be coming out, but it's just been mind blowing or it's been happening.
It's like it's a lot of justifications for people like us that they spent
years putting a lot of work and effort and talking about it, trying to
get his face out there, have all this and habit whole hitting the mainstream
papers in a non junky manner where they're actually pointing on it and on all
news TV shows around the world or the potting it as a proper news other
than like apparently Section sort of said Section a bit of fun at the end
of a broadcast, which is what a lot of them tend today. Yeah,
it's been proper to say proper news pointing on it, and even in
the UK they had a lot of stuff from Page as well about it.
It's just what will come of it would be interesting. But it's been been
a ride a wildlife, Yeah, definitely, and I've I've managed to get
into UFOs a lot more because it's interesting because they talked about David Grush a
lot as being like this main whistleblower and the two guys side by side with
him, we're referring a lot to him, and sort of we're sort of
saying, like referring stuff to David Grush, saying that you need to listen
to him. But I didn't realize I knew David Favor, Commander Favor.
He's the guy that spoiled the tea too at UFO. He they were talking
on another podcast about his credentials and they were saying it's like the Black cass
are like the top fighter pilot squadron in the world but America, but in
the world. And David Favors like the commander of this fleet. So he's
like Tom Cruise in Top Gun, He's that level in the new Top Gun
Top Gun Maverick, He's like this top top fighter pilot probably the best in
the world. David favor is that guy in real life. So if I'd
have him alongside David Gush as well, just saying we can't even imagine being
getting able to be getting close to these these objects. They can outperform anything
we've got. And for him to say that as well, and he's one
of the guys in the planes is phenomenal. So I think the interesting thing
for me is, you know what I was saying about the biological aspect of
it, you know, I mean, that opens up a whole discussion,
doesn't it about what they found of the phone, live ones, where the
dead and crashes, what sort of I mean, what are they talking about?
And you know, if if if it does, I mean, well,
I mean basically a statement like that just changes everything. If if you
believe what they're saying, then obviously that then proves that there is life outside
of Earth, which is a massive thing, you know. I mean it's
got religious ramifications, it's got social ramifications. And the way that we are
at the moment in the world, I mean, we are teaching on the
brink of either climate disaster or go something equally as bad that's man made.
I mean, are we really ready do you think for somebody to actually put
up a photograph and go, look, there you are. That's the photograph
of an alien that crash landing in Nevada, you know, And is that
well with either dead or alive, it doesn't really matter either way. It's
still just say alien obviously, but you know, it's still proof that there
is there is alien life out there. And that would change everything, wouldn't
it. That would absolutely change everything it was. And I mean I think
we kind of this is like the whole disclosure things sort of. It's been
on everyone's tip of tongue for the last forty years plus, but nothing's really
come of it. But it seems now passable years especially there seems to be
like a sea change where we're actually getting stuff from from the government and from
these high level eidents. The motivation behind that is there, what's what what's
the sort of you know, a word in the community about the motivation.
I mean there's a lot, there's lots of different theories. A lot of
people sells go behind the disinformation aspect, saying they're purposely leaking certain things through
certain people and then discrediting them people so that then she thinks like, oh,
we're giving one hand but then taking away of another. So kind of
settles people for a little bit. So it's like, all, we're giving
you something, so we kind of leave it long and then we give you
a little bit more kind of que everyone and quiet. But there's a lot
of pressure from within and outside the government, and some more people are hard
as waking up. Like when deep with the hearings, I was blown away
by the questioning at the types of questions and the wording coming from the representatives
and the either A know about this stuff and have an interest, which is
one story or two the obviously been given the questions to ask, but just
the whole wording how serious to take it. They're clearly done either their own
research or how people do that research for him to come out with these types
of questions. So some of the questions. I was sat there and so
watch the whole thing. It was three hours longer whatever it was. Watching
it live, I was just like open my mouth like, oh my god.
I was like and some of the answers, I was like this pump
in the air as I go on gross It's just absolutely incredible. And that's
just to back that our past was sending me mess I was at work and
I'd get a notification on Messenger just saying, oh my god, this is
insane. It was, and like I said, what the end plan is,
whether it is just because they're getting a lot of pressure from both inside
and outside the government. Leaks we happening all the time, quite a lot
like we did that we doing that initially was leaked. It took him three
years to actually say yeah, that's our video. More whistle blowers coming forward,
and I've got this whistle lad protection that's coming in place to help people
come out more to give this information. I think some of it could be
maybe had to give information. It was the sort of control and how it
gets released because I'm I was going to come out anyway. Maybe they're trying
to take that control to these information. I'm going to come out against this.
Let's do it our way rather than the saying nothing that the happened for
decades and then just other people. So has it been received by other governments?
Do you think? Because I believe that our own government has ad files
on this sort of thing for years and it's obviously, you know, top
secret classified information that you wouldn't get hold of normally. Obviously, if you
want something that you know, there's a certain length of time, isn't there
Is it thirty five years or forty years or something, and then you can
put an FOI request in a freedom of information request, But with something like
this, it's so high level, top secret that it would never get released.
So I'm just wondering what the what the thoughts are in in other governments
about you know, these revelations, because as you know, as as you
said, I mean they are they are significant. Silently in what they're saying,
Yeah, I mean it's been speaking from scanning UK side side point.
They still talk about we have no information, we don't believe it's a threat,
we don't have anyone in that sort of deals with this. But then
you've got both legislation that came through the NDAA it says we shared information with
our allies, were working with our allies, which think the biggest allied to
the u S is US, so surely that includes US. And then you've
got with Rush and other whistle blows and documents saying that they have been meetings
with the Five Eyes, which is US, US, Canada, Australia,
New Zealand where they have had meetings talking about this stuff. So one hand,
the UK and other women saying no, we don't know anything with this,
but then the documents and legislation saying that, yeah, actually you do,
so I think again, it's only going to be amount of time before
the UK kind of has to give into that question to say, oh,
actually, yeah, we have been pus this information or previously it's some some
of it at least, or been involved in some meetings. Because it's it
is a threat, they treat it as a threat. That's why they have
these programs to identify it and figure out what it is. They can't identify
it. And surely even just being a part of NATO, it's all the
same airspace, we do, all work together. Surely they're trying to figure
something out. They will enlist the help of other countries. You think there's
no way that they wouldn't. No, I think it will has been a
matter of time before we do find out that we have been all this time.
And of course there are other governments, there are a lot more secretive
overs so you know, the Russian government, the Chinese government, you know.
I mean, there's there's there's there's information to suggest that they've got equally
as as high number of sightings, and you know from their military as well.
And I believe that there's been a massive in creasing sightings of unidentified craft
that behaving aware that you would expect to u a pizza behave around the conflict
zones in the Ukraine, which I think is interesting. I don't know what
your thoughts are on that. There's a lot of videos come out recently around
Baghdad and Mozell. There was a mosal Orb video that photographs, sorry they've
been put out purporting to show a sphere going over mosl It been the liar
to me, but it wasn't until about a month later though I looked at
against. I can see what they're saying now, whether it's a sphered sort
of holding the ground or something. To me, but then they've released a
few frames of video where they've got spherical objects going over military of military zones
around the world, which it's quite insane, and video footage of that from
military craft or military observers or drones or whatever you want to call them.
So it's that in itself is quite quite weird because that kind of technology.
If it was a foreign adversary had that kind of tech, you would assume
they would be using it for their advantage into battlefield. And bearing in mind
the kind of people that in the current Ukraine conflict, people like Putin and
Russia, even the Varmer group or whoever you believe is fighting, if they
had technology that could outstrip anything that the US have got, they would be
flaunting it. They would be I can't see why they wouldn't be using it.
It's a very good point. That very good. You know, why
why wouldn't you be using it in like the battlefield of war? Yeah,
when he's got it's just but then they're showing objects going across in like infra,
like an infrared on a clear camera like multiple photographs, and it's showing
stuff that would normally show white as hot and there's no white done behind it
what appears to be like a pan of waves or whatever behind this object.
The propulsion system in all the words. Yeah, so there's there's no means
of propulsion that is giving off any kind of heat signature, for example,
and that that is quite insane. I think if if a foreign adversary had
that, like I mentioned, they'd be using it. Why wouldn't you?
Of course you would dominate. And if you have that sort of pulsion system
as well, you'd be you'd been landing on the moon. And yeah,
strip mine in it, which is a lot of these countries are looking at
now. I mean it was quite my fairly quite amusing and hopefully I'm not
on I'm going to get shot by some KGB office of saying this, But
I did find it quite amusing that the Russian lander I had a bit of
a bumpy landing. But I mean the guy, the guy who designed it,
suddenly had a medical incident shortly after I went all out of a window.
By any chase, quite possibly it was it wasn't the fall that that
killed him, it was the ground. Yeah, absolutely, ever grown too
fast. It's funny, actually I was. I was just saying to Ash
before we went on went on to record, I went to Cuba on the
holidays. See very nice. Well, yeah, it depends which where you
look at it. It was I don't think the right up the food was
that great from but there was. There was quite a lot of tourists fro
Russia, and I was convinced. I was utterly convinced that I was being
tailed by an FSB agent for the first week I was there, because everywhere
I went, this guy's face was their breakfast, at their pool, on
the on the beach, at the bar. In the evening, when I
went to the toilet, this guy was there and he and he looked strange
enough. I actually nicknamed him the Russian Daniel Craig because he looked like Daniel
Craig, but he was Russian. This guy was everywhere everywhere, and I
went to there either lots of clones of him, and he had like,
you know, about three or four brothers that all looked the same, but
we're all on holiday with him, or you know, he just happened to
be. But it was the weirdest thing. It really was. The weirdest
thing. Was getting really paranoid. Be wife Sarah was laughing a height after
he thought it was various. So, yeah, that was that was quite
interesting. But but no, I mean, do you think there's going to
be any further fall out from this engine think this is just the tip of
the iceberg, or or do you think we're I was going to just be
sat on this for the next few years, like we do seem to do
with with a lot of these revelations. I think more I was going to
come out. I mean, so much have been coming out with you think
surely we can't just keep happiness of me because you can go for years nothing.
The last couple of years has been a bitter bit a bit, and
I think that will that will continue. There's a lot more people interested now,
there's a lot of people within the House in America that's interested, and
they're going to keep keep pushing it. I think that's we're going to see
more hearings, possibly for at the end of the year, if not next
year. I've got the new leads station Company's going to have more. Yeah,
basically more things coming through. What's always surprised me, though I always
made many think, is the fact that we know that that you know,
the presidents are briefed, aren't they American presidents are briefed, and I'm sure
it's the same, you know, in this country. I'm sure the prime
minister's briefed. You know. The moment that he the new prime Minister,
walks through the door of Number ten, I'm sure you know, the head
of the Cabinet office sits him down and said, right, sir, Kia,
hopefully next time we've got something to tell you about aliens. You know
now that when you look at the American presidents we've had of late, I
mean, there's one that really can't keep his mouth shut. I am.
I'm just surprised that from that at such a high level involvement. I mean,
you know the presidents, no, don't they They've been briefed, and
some of them have let it slip. You know that they do get briefed,
they do get told about it, aliens and UFOs and they do exist.
And there's sort of like being the odd little slip from from ex presidents
who've said that I think Bill Clinton let something slipped in either that they used
to get regularly briefed on these sort of things, and that you know,
the information that they had would never get out into the public because it was
so spectacular in you know, in what they had it made made Area fifty
Area fifty one look like Child's Player compared to what you know, what they've
what they've found recently. So I do find it. I do find it
strange that it's something's never been leaked like this before. Having said that,
I think it's great that it's now come out and they're taking it so seriously,
and I mean, who knows, you know, there may well be
more revelations to come. I mean there's space spacefly around JK that he was
killed because he was about to release some stuff that he'd been told. Yeah,
I think black Obama also spoke about it a little bit. But I
think we've going back to sort of what David Plush was saying in the Congress.
Hearians was that there's these projects, this black budget groups that don't have
any oversight just kind of above the sort of hazards answers, which where no
pogram should be at all. Any sort any money they gets spent has hav
an oversight for me that said, yeah we can spend this money on we
can't, whereas his projects, He's secret projects don't have that oversight. That's
technically illegal and that's right, and he's provided evidence. Nie said that you
can name people in the locations, names of projects might have provided all this
too. He inspect the general and like so and some of this stuff.
You got to think, do this person who can sometimes only last four years
and so, do they get told everything? Because these are in temporary where
some of the people within the government are there for decades and decades obvious seeing
this stuff, where as they are presidents are temporary for four years eight years?
So do they get told everything or do they keep the the release of
stuff, the really juicy stuff? Yeah, I said the previous president people
sure wouldn't be gone twitter straight away, I think the information, Yeah,
because because he doesn't have a filter, does he? So you know,
he'd be dragging over a little rocket man that he's got the he got these
stuff and just seeing us see he might be he might be he might be
tweeted from from a mistate penitentiary at this right. No, it is,
it's interesting and it's something that you know if if if there's any further disclosure,
then I'll be I'll be banging on on your banging on your door to
come on again and have a chat about it, because I do. I
do find it really interesting. It's it's fascinating. Have we had any any
sort of sightings recently in the UK that's that are not worthy that you've heard
of or I've been reported? Nothing super not worthy. There's a couple of
last year. I mean, we still maintain a data base. We have
the biggest data base in the UK or current day sightings. I'm not gonna
lie that is. We are behind a little bit just because been working on
book and other projects which we can as I'll go into in a minute.
But last year we don't have to announce some money. You know, you
can keep it for your own podcast. But I mean last year, I
mean we had sightings up last year. There's four hundred and ninety seven reported
sightings in the UK in twenty twenty two and Greater Manchester was the most popular
area. That's interesting last year, just beating the Southwest. Yeah, yeah,
southeast, that's interesting. Yeah, great, because it's more populated.
You think that there's more people looking up at the sky. There's the reason.
Because the we do all the data and each year we publishaw annual report
and look at the data to look at where sightings where the most popular places
sightings and like Great Mansters comes up on the northwest of the Northwest and just
Preston Bade quite tightly populated areas, and again with the southeast around Kent and
then places where again very densely populated population. But as part of the annual
report we have we have a formerly expert out a rate of sighting based down
population density and sort of number sightings. So it works out basically and the
works out a number sightings pair two hundred and fifty thousand capital so start taking
a consideration population that this kind of takes that out of the equation, right,
And then we see in the annual report we have two leader boards and
we have share number of sightings in one column in like a table that's got
northwest of the top from the southeast of there, and then we have to
column next to it, which is the rate of sighting. It takes population
density out the equation because you have more people, like say more more be
able just to report it. Then the table you can see how the table
changes. Yeah, so I think we think southwest jumps up quite a bit
and the northeast jumps up quite a bit because they're less density populated on a
comparable basis, they are who have more sightings based on population, So in
all infimation HOWD ways explaining it? But yeah, also we look at that
in the in the each year we have our report looking at the previous years
data. So is that available on your website for people to just gonna have
a look. Yeah, that's on us identified that call at UK. I've
got the past three years annual reports. Now you can like eighteen nineteen pages,
both graphs and stacks and charts and stuff. It tends to be urban
areas then that are seen more. I when when when you take the population
equation out of it as well, would you say it's more urban areas or
more rural areas? Then that seeing these these sights, it kind of just
stay to be more urban areas. I think in Scotland's always seems to have
a high number of sightings as well, and that can be quite obviously spread
out across Scotland's not that many bix cities, but get past sort of Glasgow,
any rabas not really there's nothing much. You get quite a lot of
sightings from like beaute and our guy look that way okay, but then there's
correlating with that, is there's a number of military bases out in Scotland.
There are yeah, yeah, let's see around that way, and whether that's
what's been seeing because people in these royal areas are seeing strains or unusual crack
that's been reported as as ufls. Yeah, yeah, I just try to
bring up the Yeah, it's no, it's interesting because yeah, I mean,
obviously there's certain areas. I mean, we're obviously quite familiar with the
Northwest or I'm quite familiar with the Northwest, and obviously areas such as you
know, Winter Hill and Pendel Pendle Hill as well as I have a lot
of sightings over the years. It's gone, so I have not heard much
recent it's gone. It's gone fairly quiet around here. I uping to speak
to a couple of local UFO guys again shortlists, so they might be able
to correct me on that, but I've not heard of anything recently. Well.
I mean the northwest certainly seems to be a bit of a hub,
and obviously the northeast as well, the Northeast coast is fairly active as well.
So it's just interesting the spread isn't it the the you know, the
sort of hot spots really, I think as is what I was trying to
get out if there are any hot spots I because I was looking at and
now we have a year by year great Now and the Northwest. Yeah every
year they sort of similar high numbers as does Yorkshire, but again quite dense
populater, some big cities basically all clumped together. Yeah, and there's Northwest,
Southeast, Northwest Yorkshire, Scotland, so they tend to be the places
I'm kind of talking about Royal versus so the Southwest, which I think there's
gone well Devin quite open. Yeah, lots of countryside in the next four
and places like that. Yeah. Yeah, so they on the rate of
sighting, they're actually top you take the sort of population out of it,
they are they do top the table for the most out sightings. That's interesting
because yeah, I mean I've been down there and I stayed very blust involved
me more. And it was last year when we had the heat wave during
the summer, unlike this summer obviously, but there were very clear skies and
it was so black there was no light pollution at all, and you could
literally see everything and I noticed, I mean, i'd I'd be laid out,
you know, on a on a debt chair at one o'clock in the
morning with you know, something fermented to drink looking up at the sky and
the number of shooting stars and the number of what were quite obviously sat to
lights. But if you didn't know, you would think it could be something
else because the sky was so dark and there was there was no light pollution
whatsoever, so you could see absolutely everything. And I suppose, you know,
you could you could see things that that you could mistake as something,
you know, UAP. I'm not saying that that that's what's happened with all
of them, but there's a possibility because because the sky is that dark,
you can see absolutely everything, and there's a lot of stuff goes on up
there that you wouldn't necessarily see in a sort of city because of because of
the light pollution. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And sort of on
that point, one area of the UK which always comes in pretty a lot
on both tables is London. There were second bottom in the number of reports
made it altogether considering how many people living in the Great London area. There
was second bottom number of reports they're bottom in the siting support. That's just
because London people are busy. No one that's obviously got light pollution the worst
place too much, just too busy. Londons are a busy I don't like
Bush everyone. I just had I had three days down there last week and
I can concur that it is ridiculously busy and ridiculously expensive. So we know
than a light man. It was a bit of a shock to me wallet.
But no, that's interesting that so because yeah, I mean you think
probably light pollution players are a big, a big factor in that, you
know, because it's it's such a large urban area. But then you know,
if you're getting a lot of sighting, some sort of great to Manchester
again, I mean, Manchester is a big connurbation. You've got a lot
of light pollution there. So it doesn't necessarily explain it doesn't. Maybe it's
just people are people are different and as you say, they're more busy and
they don't have that inclination to stand there and look up at the sky.
I mean, if you just stand there and look up at this guy who'll
getting bulldogs by god knows how many thousands of people walking over the top of
you want you in London because it's that you know, it's that busy.
So so, yeah, it's interesting. What about the paranormal side then,
Greg, has there anything been interesting? Have you done any interesting investigation since
we last spoke? Yeah, we've so me and asked. Just a couple
of weekends ago, we had like a weekend full of paranormal investigations. So
we went out with one of the guests on our show or a regular contributor
now to our show, My Girl, and some of his friends to the
Museum of Haunted Artifacts in Stoke on Trent, Okay. I think that's in
the name of the place, and yeah, we are very interesting place.
That so that started off our weekend and we were getting a lot of sort
of sound anomaly, sort of banging footsteps in what essentially is a museum of
all these weird artifacts. They've got eddin Lorraine Warren, sort of bits and
piece of paraphernalia. They've got the front door from thirty East Drive in the
room, they're like haunted dolls, all sorts of thing. And then on
first of all, they got loads like swords that have been used in beheadings
and executions, and loads of just death masks. There was an Alister Crowley
death mask or something like that. There was, It's interested. That was
my Holied Hotel. I think actually I was going to say, it's interesting
how objects can hold onto this sort of energy in I mean, I'm really
interested in haunted objects per se, mainly because I've got a piano and domsters
that we've talked about that a little bit on the odd sides continues to be
that, but I won't talk about that on my podcast, and more interested
in what you can tell me. But yeah, I mean there are I
mean dolls, for instance. I think a lot of people get creeped out
by dolls, don't and haunted dolls especially there's something particularly particularly unnerving I think.
So yeah, there's there was. There was haunted dolls out Stoke and
like the normal sort of weird looking clowns and such like, and that that
place was really weird. Like all the artifacts were like you've got body bags
for in this Socilum area and yeah, it was like used bodygones. There's
a mortuary table like a slab, metal slab, just like the weirdest stuff
you could you could go into and and it it gave good results for us.
It was it was a really interesting night. We tried to debunk a
lot of the sounds, so that yeah, that the video of that is
actually up on my girl's YouTube channel Paramike, So that's that's worth checking out
because it is a good video anyway about what happened at night. And then
we couple of days later we went to my Haunted Hotel in Chester I've heard,
yeah, So we were super excited to go there because we've we've spoken
to one of the guys who runs the like the paranormal side of of what
essentially is a normal pub, Danny Moss. So he's been from Haunted Hunts
and other Amazon Prime channels and shows and whatnot that they've done, and so
we've been chatting to him for a long time on the podcast multiple times we've
been talking about stuff and yeah, he he said about doing a podcast up.
We went up there and we're fortunately we've got a load of footage and
it was it's a place there everybody seems to go to and everybody talks about
it afterwards. It's it delivers and some of the stuff that we we've captured
knockings on command like and then we'd say can you can you just do that
again for us just to confirm you do it straight away. Then there was
other like tapping noises, knocks at the window, clear knocks at the window.
When the door was one of the most knock on the door. Crazy
for me. It's literally in this room and doors, just a couple of
feets in my left two there was they knocked on the door. And what
with my point hotel Now there's twenty six cameras cover in every room, every
corridor, and when you're doing investigations in the rooms, the team that run
it in their control room, they're watching all the cameras. I'm your app
radio actually so we've got an adio and said children nothing our daughter can he
just check check the fottage. It was like, okay, gave us a
couple of minutes, I'll have a lot. Five minutes later, he comes
up with his phone to show us the footage. It's got us in the
room. The room next us was empty and shown us the cottage, the
corridor of outside of hims empty. Can see our door and closed. They
on the footage. Two oud knocks on the door. It's like there's just
nothing that could have explained somewhat knocking on the door when there's nobody outside of
door, and I just wanted the sort of evidence that we captured. There
was quite a lot that we go up through the night. Oh yeah,
insane. Yeah, right from the moment we got there pretty much from we
moved out of our sort of the room we were like was sort of like
bass room. Yeah, it was just every time we moved to a different
area. It's like a massive oak table in the brothel area, which is
like just off the bar, and I mean I was at one end of
it. I didn't hear or feel anything, and there was ash and the
person that was with us was all of a sudden, there was this bang
on the table and the table moved, and those two were like, you
just moved? You just did the table move? And I'm like noop.
They're like, did you move it with your foot? Because that's what they
thought. Am I kick the table? But it's such a big table And
I was sort of sad that in this throne at the end obviously, but
there was no I had a massive gap before there was a table leg,
so I would have had it would have been visible that I would have had
to push my leg for and the Clearest Day. We've got the video.
We need to put that up on the on our channel. Actually it's been
on my Haunted Hotel sort of like paywall featured programming, and clear as day,
the table bangs from underneath. You can see I'm in and the camera
ashes cameras on the end and it just shakes like shutters where it wacks up.
And this table is huge. It's not a small table. Wow.
So that was one of the many, many highlights that night. It was
just it was just a great night. And like I said, where you
can ring like one walk talkie and instantly validate or debunk what's just happened,
lay on the cameras or whatever. That's interesting that Yeah, yeah, time
stamping stuff and everything. Yeah, I've heard all sorts of stuff about the
place, so you have plenty of plenty of people said you really what's going
and check it out? So so yeah, definitely. So how's the podcast
doing? Because that's where this empire started, isn't it? I hope you
have not neglected it from it. We are from it your other stuff that
you've been doing. As you'll know, it consumes everything, just trying to
get guests is a challenge in itself, that is half the bott. We're
fortunate enough that we've got a lot of people that we know now from the
community were both UFO and paranormal, that we've been speaking to you for a
long time, and organically we get emails from people asking if they can come
on and chat about a book, whether they can come on and talk about
their experiences, or we reach out to somebody and say, I've seen your
story online, do you want to come and have a chat to us?
And we're very fortunate that people are quite open for that now, which is
really good. So it's still a challenge, and as you know it is,
it's an almighty challenge. But we're still pumping out at least one episode
a week mainly there's normally two. We've not missed too for no, we
haven't actually we haven't missed an episode. At least one episode we we have
not missed for nearly coming up three years now. That's really some going because
yeah, yeah, I mean, you have to have a passion for it,
don't and you have to have an enjoyment while you're doing it, and
you know, any outside factors can can really sort of you know, influence
how you feel about about doing this sort of stuff, because you're right,
it is all consuming. But you know, it's great that that you're you're
in a position there were people wanting to come on the shore, you know,
and are actively seeking you out, which I suppose helps. Look it
doesn't it, you know when you get in. Yeah, it's still trying
to tie up the Times. We get a lot of people contacting us from
America and trying to tie up the Times and yeah, yeah, and with
Daylight Savings over there and we missing your last we missed one the other last
I was and how wrong you were out? Yeah I was. I was
now behind. The guy messaged me and said we're just about to go on
a You're going to join us. I'm like, oh my god. Yeah.
So it is a challenge at times. And then the social media and
then trying to reply to everybody or not get Twitter nerifications all the time,
and I don't even know what's going on our for time on Twitter own and
just like I get nerifications and I'm like, I'll try, I'll try and
keep up on it, try and keep up on it. And then and
in the book I'm your Secret we've got a couple of secret things coming up.
Actually, so yeah, we've we've been trying to tease. We put
a teaser picture up, yeah, about a week ago of a forest basically
with a question mark that is, let's leave it to people's imagination. Then,
Alice, we could we could probably say, well, not what it
is or thing, okay, but but world exclusives. After September the first,
we will know exactly what it is that we've got. If that makes
sense, Okay, it probably doesn't make sense in my head. However,
on September the first, we are doing something, okay, and the the
the outcome of that project, we'll start to come to fruition and you'll see
it not just from us, I'm imagining. Let's just say that much.
That's that's good enough. And now, well, now that's definitely that we've
not told anybody, and that's the closest we've come to telling anybody. So
thank you. That's really really piqued me. Interesting. Now, I'm sure
a lot of this is something different for people who are involved in it with
us, so excellent. Well, we'll definitely keep an eye out for that
then. Yes, so apart from suits of the paranormal podcast. Just remind
me again of your websites. So the UFO side of stuff, we are
UFO identified that we had the biggest database of current day UFO reports in the
UK and we recently last weekend well recording this middle of August, we were
in the Daily Mirror. Basically there's an interactive map that the Mirror. We
were working with the Mirror for the months right in his map book together and
it's interrupted mapping. Put in your post code, it's how you spots in
your area and you can click and all this stuff and the UK and then
that was pushed out to all the local Reached sites or the Live seven lives
whatever lives out for them mus or sites. So we had a massive lot
of media interests when that was released. If I can't tell you about as
well as this book rand in the United States, I've been working on your
own book for the past nine to ten months and that is based around you
of HO reports in the UK in the last well since training twenty right,
So that's going to be released in mid September. That's going to be over
a one hundred UFO reports that have been made in the UK since twenty twenty
and that haven't been released anywhere else, so it's it gets close to UFA
reports excellent and a lot of the data's going that's not been in the next
book, Brilliant, will be out in a couple of weeks, so it's
I've been working on how would you find time to live? I don't even
know both have full time jobs? Well exactly even though yeah, no brilliant.
So have you got a title for that or have you yet to decide?
Yes this side, I think if one, I'm thinking of its just
UFO identified the reports twenty twenty twenty twenty two. Okay, there's basically three
years worth of the sightings made in the UK. And is that going to
be released again for Amazon or ye? That would be yes. I'll probs
through through Amazon's a lot of doing his Facebook and say, well, complain
and you upload the manuscript and then when you look at the preview it's blocking
light. Yeah, tell me about it. It's an absolute nightmare. Yeah,
I know. Sometimes you just think I'll just put it out. It's
even if it's spread over two pages. Not the people who who have never
tried it. The Kindle publishing app that the users is a little bit techi,
isn't it. To put it mildly, it's not the easiest thing to
manipulate, So so no good luck with that. I'm surposed. I've got
any hairless. I think I've been trying to use that damn thing. That's
obviously where you've gone wrong, Regan, I've been brilliant. So yeah,
and then you've got UFO Identified website as well, sorry suits the Paranormal podcast
website as well, which is Pursuit of the Paranormal Cood at UK excellence,
right and now I just suddenly thought that was wrong. In Pursuit of the
Paranormal Doctor the UK, yes, excellent. And then you can get all
of the US stuff on there. We've got the Merched store, which we
put new designs up quite a lot. The book you can get from there
is post is posted free of charge in the UK, so that's that's the
bonus. So we can't quite compete with Amazon Prime, but again, and
that's one good thing. So if if you're listening and you're outside the UK,
you can go into your local Amazons and still get it through Prime.
We've had somebody in Vegas order a book and it was there over like two
days, which blows my mind. They can do it that quick, it's
insane. Yeah, excellent. Well, it's been a pleasure to have you
off on again. Thanks for coming on. No, we've had we've had
a really interesting chat. And as I said, as soon as we get
some more UFO stuff, I'll be I'll be back message messaging you on firstbook
or whatever to say, let's have another chat about this because I just get
a feelings, as I'm sure you guys have, that something more is going
to be coming soon. So let's let's all just keep an eye open for
the next lord of interesting information. And as I said, thanks very much.
Good luck with all your projects, good luck with the books. How
many you're writing, I've lost counts, I'm sure you have as well,
but good good luck with We've said, yeah, no, good luck,
good luck with all your investigations, good luck with with with your research,
good luck with the books, and hopefully we'll catch up again soon. Definitely,
welcome back to pop doing some podcasts again. Thank you. Yeah,
traumatic, doesn't even go into it. It's been great. It's been great
to have it, to have you guys on. So yeah, take care,
thank and we'll speak again soon. You can visit my website at www
dot Craig Bryant dot co dot uk. Paranormal Pendule will return, and remember
to keep watch in the shadows.