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You have to build 25 00:02:49,199 --> 00:02:54,840 trust, set boundaries, and have honest communication. Without patience and time, 26 00:02:55,759 --> 00:03:02,439 no relationship has a chance. So watch out for the red flags, avoid 27 00:03:02,479 --> 00:03:09,840 those that bring any negativity or drama or stress along with them. Be cautious 28 00:03:09,879 --> 00:03:16,840 of people with a history of toxic or unhealthy past behavior, and prioritize your 29 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:54,560 own well being Otherwise someday it might find yourself trapped. It was a beautiful 30 00:03:54,759 --> 00:04:00,520 summer day in Seattle. A group of kids were eager to get out and 31 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,280 go do something anything. It was a nice day out, so we just 32 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:10,000 went to on Kay Beach for a walk. After what felt like an eternity 33 00:04:10,199 --> 00:04:14,599 in COVID lockdown. They decided to go to the al Chaive Beach Park. 34 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:19,040 If you stand on the pier, the view of the Seattle skyline is unmatched. 35 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:26,199 Natalie Castillon was in that group of kids. I was with my friend 36 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,680 Henry and my other friend Keaviy. We already knew what we kind of wanted 37 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:34,639 to do for the day, but we just randomly selected a location. They 38 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:40,759 randomly selected a location using a new app that was trending on social media, 39 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,519 Random Nautica. Our original plan was we wanted to see the statue's like a 40 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,199 fake statue of liberty at the end of the strip of Al Kay, but 41 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,800 we also wanted to rando not. It was like a trend that was going 42 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:59,160 on on TikTok at that time. We just basically like, down with this. 43 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,680 Ob you a random location, and I guess when you get to those 44 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:06,879 locations you see like random things. I guess, And yeah, it's like 45 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:12,800 our first time doing it. Random Nautica is an app that gives you random 46 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:18,079 GPS coordinates that may or may not lead you to whatever you intended when you 47 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:23,319 prompted the app. Yeah, I know it sounds weird. It just basically 48 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,360 gives you a settle locations and you go there and maybe there's something there, 49 00:05:27,639 --> 00:05:32,160 maybe there isn't fill in your own imagination, but on this day it led 50 00:05:32,199 --> 00:05:38,600 the group to al Kai Beach on Duwamish Head, overlooking Elliott Bay on the 51 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:43,639 Puget Sound with the skyline of Seattle in the background. I'd say it's a 52 00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:46,920 good amount of people on the sidewalk walking just because it was a hot summer 53 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,680 day, so it's pretty typical to go to al Kai. The park was 54 00:05:50,759 --> 00:05:56,240 busy that beautiful summer day, with people walking and admiring the view from the 55 00:05:56,240 --> 00:06:00,680 pier. We all notice that though as a sit down by the rocks on 56 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,560 the overlooking I think it was just like a coincidence that we saw that we 57 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,879 were talking about. I think on the drive there, we were talking about 58 00:06:08,959 --> 00:06:14,199 random nodding, and we were talking about like traveling and we wanted to get 59 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,040 money or something like that. It was like a weird conversation. So when 60 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,319 we saw it, it was just like a like an aha moment, like, 61 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,959 Oh, that's such a coincidence. We're talking about traveling in the car 62 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:29,199 and then we're talking about random nodding, and people find crazy stuff on randomnot 63 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,000 so we were like, let's just see what's down there, and we were 64 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:38,800 like, this could be something fun to record. At that time, guys 65 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:46,720 were kind of On the drive to al Chai Park, the group talked about 66 00:06:46,759 --> 00:06:50,600 travel and coming into a lot of money right before prompting the app for coordinates. 67 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:56,920 When they saw the black suitcase on the rocks beneath the pier, they 68 00:06:56,959 --> 00:07:00,319 thought it couldn't be a coincidence. They joke with each other that it was 69 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:06,720 probably a suitcase full of money. We were curious, so we went to 70 00:07:06,759 --> 00:07:18,040 go see what it was. It was just like a suitcase. We started 71 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:24,839 on tipping it, pretty normal suitcase, no tear anything to it, just 72 00:07:24,879 --> 00:07:29,319 how like a weird smell the closer you got to it. Obviously didn't really 73 00:07:29,319 --> 00:07:31,920 think too much of it. There's a lot of garbage out there A lot 74 00:07:31,959 --> 00:07:35,920 of the times. I didn't really think it was going to be what it 75 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,759 turned out to be. But yeah, it was just a normal suitcase. 76 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:45,519 They dismissed the odd odor because it was obviously floating in the bay before being 77 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:49,040 washed onto the rocks with other pieces of garbage. We were curious. We 78 00:07:49,279 --> 00:07:56,600 actually opened it up. Thanks y'all, Just like a really foul odor, 79 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:01,800 so we stopped opening it halfway. We left it there, and then we 80 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:09,240 were kind of still in this weird childish fog of just like pretending it's not 81 00:08:09,279 --> 00:08:11,240 what we think it could be. We were just joking on saying it's probably 82 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:16,879 just like garbage and a suitcase that just washed up, and we stopped and 83 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:22,079 we were kind of talking about what if situations, and then stopped for probably 84 00:08:22,079 --> 00:08:26,360 like a good five minutes six minutes, just sitting there fighting the morbid idea 85 00:08:26,079 --> 00:08:31,240 that this was a suitcase filled with a dead body. They hesitated to open 86 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:37,840 it, but of course, just like a cat, their curiosity got the 87 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:46,399 better of them, and we saw a black plastic trash bag and it was 88 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:54,600 wrapping something. It was trash bags, and then they're just in the suitcase. 89 00:08:54,720 --> 00:09:00,480 We could see that they were tightly placed on where something was inside of 90 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:05,279 the bags that were making them very tight, But there were bags in there. 91 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:11,200 The trash bags inside the suitcase were stuffed full of large, heavy objects, 92 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:18,080 pulling the plastic bag taut around them. Undeterred or perhaps overly curious, 93 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:22,799 they continue to investigate the rancid bag. So there was a stick that we 94 00:09:22,879 --> 00:09:31,039 had and Gabby was very curious about was in the bags, and we were 95 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:35,879 already hesitant because of the smell, and we found like a little it wasn't 96 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,200 a huge tearry. It was just like some a good soft spot for a 97 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:43,679 stick to get in there, and Gabby just kind of twisted a little bit 98 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:50,519 moved it in. The smell immediately got ten times worse. It was just 99 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,360 very pungent, very strong, even with like a face mask. I was 100 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:58,720 wearing a face mask. It was very strong. It's just like it just 101 00:09:58,879 --> 00:10:01,759 takes you off your feet a little bit. Couldn't really, I don't know. 102 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:07,240 It's pretty harsh, so I don't know. It definitely wasn't money in 103 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:13,639 this bag. With a hole poked through the outer bag, they caught a 104 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:22,279 glimpse of what was inside. Sleek like me and I thought it was like 105 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:30,759 food or any something like that. With the dissatisfying discovery that the bag was 106 00:10:30,799 --> 00:10:33,919 not full of money, the group wanted to leave, but Natalie called the 107 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,080 police. Okay, so she's calling the police, so we can't see if 108 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:43,679 it's actually a dead body or it's just food. What is your emergency? 109 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:50,799 Hi? You know, we found a suitcase on uamash in upide beach and 110 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:58,720 it has a pretty bad mouth and it's a black trash bag, so yeah, 111 00:10:58,759 --> 00:11:01,679 there's something in it. Okay, where where did you find it? 112 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:07,279 Exactly? Man? Not knowing the address to the park itself, Natalie's eyes 113 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,240 darted from building to building across the street, searching for an address. Eleven 114 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:16,360 fifty Alkai perfect one one five zero Alchai Avenue Southwest. Is that the number 115 00:11:16,399 --> 00:11:20,840 on the building? Yeah, okay, perfect. So you're on the on 116 00:11:20,919 --> 00:11:24,360 the across the street, on the side of the water, is that correct? 117 00:11:24,159 --> 00:11:28,840 Yeah? And the suitcases on the rock okay, okay. Did you 118 00:11:28,879 --> 00:11:33,879 open the suitcase and there was a black trash bag inside? Yeah, So 119 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:37,440 me and my friends were interested in what was in it, so we opened 120 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:41,080 it up that there was a black class by and we just called okay, 121 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:43,519 so it was on the rocks by the water, and he said, there's 122 00:11:43,519 --> 00:11:46,759 a pretty foul smell. Yeah, okay, I have a call in. 123 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:50,159 We're going to try to be there just as quickly as we can. I'll 124 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,320 let officers know you and we're standing by with your friends. Okay, okay, 125 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,600 all righty, thank you, thank you nice. The group waited for 126 00:11:58,639 --> 00:12:05,519 the police to arrive but the PD was overwhelmed or understaffed, and a call 127 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:11,320 about a weird smelling suitcase on the beach wasn't really the highest priority. They 128 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:16,919 waited and waited, but nobody ever showed up. What did your emergency? 129 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,000 Hi? So I called about an hour and a half ago, Okay, 130 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:30,919 and we found a suitcase that's like really just it's like in a black bag 131 00:12:31,799 --> 00:12:35,600 and it smells really Badness flies all around it. Okay, So has anything 132 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:41,159 changed since you last called? What has anything changed since you last called? 133 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:46,879 No, but the water is rising and the suitcase is about to get covered. 134 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:52,559 Okay, I'll go ahead and make that notation. How long do you 135 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,559 think it is until the point help us arrive? Oh? I don't know. 136 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,519 Yeah, we don't have that information. I wouldn't be able to tell 137 00:12:58,519 --> 00:13:07,559 you, Okay. Elliott Bay is directly connected to the Pacific Ocean and as 138 00:13:07,639 --> 00:13:13,039 such is subject to the tides. In the time since Natalie's first nine one 139 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,960 one call, the tide had come in and started pulling the suitcase into the 140 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:22,720 open water. Well one, what is your emergency? Hi? We were 141 00:13:22,759 --> 00:13:28,360 saying that some people were done at Alcai and they were just really hyper alert. 142 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,879 We're at like the historical point of interests with Little Park and Alke in 143 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:37,279 West Seattle, and they said they recorded a couple of hours ago a suitcase, 144 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:39,480 and we just went and they were like pointing it out for us that 145 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:46,039 they seem I guess they looked at it and are convinced that there's human remains 146 00:13:46,039 --> 00:13:48,279 in there. Honestly, I didn't go down and look at it, but 147 00:13:48,279 --> 00:13:52,279 they're genuinely concerned. Okay, yeah, it looks uick. We have a 148 00:13:52,279 --> 00:13:54,759 call. We are aware that they're waiting. We're going to get somebody out 149 00:13:54,799 --> 00:13:58,480 there. We're just waiting for an officer become available, clear up from a 150 00:13:58,519 --> 00:14:03,240 previous nine lum one call, so we'll be in hand. Okay, all 151 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:07,080 right, thank you, ma'mby bye. When the police finally showed up, 152 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:13,320 the kids had already gone hello. Did hear me? Yeah? I kind 153 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,519 of okay. Are you still in the area or did you have to leave? 154 00:14:16,879 --> 00:14:22,720 I waited for a while, but we had to leave too long. 155 00:14:22,080 --> 00:14:26,320 I'll let you know to check it out. Thanks Officer Terrell with this. 156 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:31,159 Seattle PD was the first to arrive on the scene, nearly two hours after 157 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:35,440 the original call. Now the rocks kind of right off the pier, there 158 00:14:35,919 --> 00:14:43,080 was a loved bag kind of like a black roller bag. I could clearly 159 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:48,240 see that it was open and it was empty. He took the little path 160 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,200 to the side of the pier down to the rocks to get a closer look 161 00:14:52,679 --> 00:14:58,639 at the bag, and that's when I saw a black treshe that was floating 162 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:05,799 in the water, just several not particularly far, just a couple of feet 163 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:11,039 away from the rocks. The black trash bag the kids saw inside the suitcase 164 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:16,840 was now bobbing in the tide. I wouldn't say that I identified exactly what 165 00:15:16,559 --> 00:15:22,559 was kind of protruding out of the bay, but I remember thinking that it 166 00:15:22,639 --> 00:15:31,799 looked like the upper chest of a person, specifically the pectoral region. I 167 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:37,960 saw what appeared to be a nipple, and I remember thinking it looked like 168 00:15:39,639 --> 00:15:46,200 a human torso, but wasn't sure could have been an animal or something like 169 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:54,039 that. So at the time I wanted more resources and more assistants, so 170 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:58,240 I requested the assistance of fire department because they had like tools that could reach 171 00:15:58,279 --> 00:16:06,080 out there. And I kind of made the inclination on the radio to describe 172 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:11,320 it as like something organic. I think I said organic matter because I didn't 173 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:15,240 want to kind of jump the gun and say what I thought it might be 174 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:19,200 erring on the side of caution. He didn't want to claim something that wasn't 175 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:23,720 true. He needed to get the bag out of the water to confirm what 176 00:16:23,919 --> 00:16:33,120 was inside. Hello, radio, where would you guys be able to send 177 00:16:33,159 --> 00:16:40,039 some resources down to one one five zero al Chiavenue Southwest. Basically, we 178 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,759 went down there. We found a suitcase that they're trying to retreat it from 179 00:16:42,799 --> 00:16:47,480 the rocks down there, and it has a foul smell coming from it, 180 00:16:47,519 --> 00:16:52,639 and it looks like to be an organic matter in it. Okay, alrighty, 181 00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:55,519 I'll send a truck down there, all right, thank you? Yep. 182 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:00,320 Byway, waiting for the fire department to arrive, he made another discovery 183 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:08,319 when that would cement his fear. I saw on the rocks kind of further 184 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:15,079 east, closer to the road, was another black bag looked like a Duffel 185 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:22,480 bag. It was close enough that there was a stick or kind of a 186 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:27,279 log nearby that I could kind of fish it, like push it towards me. 187 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:32,319 When I was picking up I could the light kind of highlight of what 188 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:38,440 was inside the trash rag wasn't entirely seen through, but it was clear enough 189 00:17:38,519 --> 00:17:45,200 that I could instantly recognize that inside the trash rag was afoot. The call 190 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:51,960 not prioritized would now spark a frenzy of activity. The police, fire department, 191 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,839 and even the harbor Patrol would descend on al Qai Beach and the surrounding 192 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:29,799 waters. After the report of found human and remains in a suitcase. A 193 00:18:29,839 --> 00:18:36,160 suitcase and duffel bag discovered on al Qai Beach were found to contain human remains, 194 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:42,079 authorities scrambled to investigate. A call that took forever for the police to 195 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:48,960 respond to ended up being the beginning of a huge investigation. The medical examiner 196 00:18:49,039 --> 00:18:55,519 came to the scene to start her analysis. It was immediately clear they were 197 00:18:55,519 --> 00:19:02,000 dealing with much more than a simple murder. Some bags can two heads, 198 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:08,759 hands, feet, an arm. It was obvious that they were dealing with 199 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:15,599 at least a double murder and dismemberment. It was clear that there were two 200 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:21,400 people in the bags. She found two severed heads, part of a torso, 201 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:27,240 a female pelvis identified by the ovaries, and uterus, two feet and 202 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:34,480 three hands, one still attached to the forearm. There was a lot missing, 203 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:41,279 but there was hopefully enough to identify the remains. They released a statement 204 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:47,640 to the public to try to get ahead of the probable media storm, but 205 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,839 it was already too late. Were basically want to do a trend to post 206 00:19:52,039 --> 00:19:56,319 on random notting, and it was the summer, during a pandemic. We 207 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:02,000 didn't really have a lot of options of entertainment, and that was just the 208 00:20:02,039 --> 00:20:06,200 source of it. And I don't know, maybe I was just very into 209 00:20:06,279 --> 00:20:11,160 the idea of showing this and like, I'm like, I had such a 210 00:20:11,279 --> 00:20:15,839 very crazy, surreal experience, I wanted to just like document it first. 211 00:20:15,839 --> 00:20:19,119 We want to be give us some breaking news. Seattle police are investigating after 212 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:25,359 several bags filled with human remains were found near the water on Alke Avenue this 213 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,000 afternoon. Police are saying they got the call about a suspicious bag on the 214 00:20:29,039 --> 00:20:32,839 beach and another one was located in the water. Police determined the contents to 215 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:37,880 be human remains. Police say bags containing human remains were discovered first. A 216 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:44,079 viral social media video claims to show the discovery of human remains near Alcai. 217 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:48,720 It appears a group of young people made a video of that discovery. So 218 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:52,920 we just found this suitcase and we're going to get it. It's basically opening 219 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,759 it up with the sticks. They added music and graphics and put it on 220 00:20:56,799 --> 00:21:02,559 TikTok. It has got a couple million views. With the news reports and 221 00:21:02,839 --> 00:21:07,200 more specifically the viral TikTok post, the story of the suitcase full of human 222 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:17,480 remains spread pretty quickly social media does that Seattle was gripped with fear and reports 223 00:21:17,599 --> 00:21:22,559 came pouring in. He had a police operator thirty one I have. This 224 00:21:22,599 --> 00:21:26,319 is unfortunate to say that. I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't 225 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:32,440 relevant. Were at park this morning and there was the suitcase. She had 226 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:37,319 a police for you reporting. Hi. I am Diane Cargner, live in 227 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:44,960 West Seattle. The reason I'm calling is I saw a man walking down Harbor 228 00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:51,119 Avenue the beach thing with a black bag on wheels. I don't know if 229 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:55,480 that black bag that had the human remains that stretch of Alcoho, I don't 230 00:21:55,519 --> 00:21:59,640 think I've ever seen anybody walking with a rolling bag. He had a police 231 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:07,559 upper or went out by. Hi. I am calling because I saw something 232 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:11,880 last week, but I just take it out of my mind and I wanted 233 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:17,480 to let you guys know there were the car parks and on the side of 234 00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:25,799 the road, heading each with their trunk open and their cold open, and 235 00:22:26,039 --> 00:22:30,039 there a car there, and then a man came out of the woods dragging 236 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:37,599 a big black bag. Reports of mysterious luggage and strange trash bags spotted in 237 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:42,559 the days and weeks leading up to the discovery came in. One man, 238 00:22:42,599 --> 00:22:48,880 an active rower, spotted trash bags floating down the river. I was out 239 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:53,599 along one day and a single, rowing with a couple of friends, and 240 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,720 you know, I basically ran over trash bag in the river, and it 241 00:22:57,799 --> 00:23:03,440 was pretty it down. It wasn't like, you know, the bulk of 242 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,400 it, like an iceberg or something. The bulk of the thing was below 243 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:07,960 the water, so I didn't see it, and I actually kind of ran 244 00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:14,720 over it, and I thought that was weird, But I was in a 245 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:18,440 single and there's no good way to like explore something or so left it alone. 246 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,160 And then I forget if it was. The day after or two days 247 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:29,039 after, I was coaching with the youth and we saw a trash bag again 248 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:30,519 about the same area, but it was a different trash bag. It was 249 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:33,960 clearly not the same one I saw the other day, and it was floating 250 00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:38,160 higher in the water, but a big, black, kind of hefty trash 251 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,640 bag, like an industry you know, it's a big and I remember one 252 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,279 of the youth throwers was joking like, oh, you should go open it 253 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,119 up and see what's in there, and I was like, no way, 254 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:55,720 we're not doing that. You see occasional debris, maybe a drink bottle or 255 00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:59,720 something, but you don't see trash bags ever. It's just not something you 256 00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:04,440 see floating down the river. With the story's exposure, everyone was taking notice 257 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:11,519 of strange bags, especially near the water. A couple of days after the 258 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:15,119 case hit the news, they got another strange call, leading to yet another 259 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:22,160 bag upriver. We arrived at the area and we were doing our usual dog 260 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:29,160 walk and we made our way to the southeastern corner where the river accesses, 261 00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:40,359 and our dogs were down by the water. And when we looked down there, 262 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:45,680 we noticed there was a suitcase floating at the water's edge. Well, 263 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:52,720 it seemed odd, and I thought it was suspicious the suitcase would be floating, 264 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,880 that there was something buoyant inside of it. I went down to the 265 00:25:00,079 --> 00:25:06,160 water's edge and the suitcase was floating on a couple of feet off of the 266 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:11,680 bank. So I grabbed a stick that was nearby, and I pulled the 267 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:18,359 suitcase to shore. Once I pulled the suitcase to shore, I opened it 268 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:26,440 partially to see what was inside of it, and I observed some trash bags. 269 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:33,440 Once I saw those trash bags, I used that same stick to tear 270 00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:38,960 open one of the bags and see what was inside, and I observed a 271 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:47,440 piece of what I interpreted to be human skin that was unidentifiable as to what 272 00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:51,319 part of the body I was looking at, but it didn't have a tattoo 273 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:56,160 on it. The medical examiner hurried to the scene. The CFBs were the 274 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:02,880 missing pieces to her two bodies. So there are multiple mingled remains once again, 275 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,119 including legs, arms, and multiple plastic bags. In addition, there 276 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:14,480 were other miscellaneous items, including clothes and a knife. So these body parts 277 00:26:15,079 --> 00:26:19,640 were the body parts that belonged to the same individuals that I had examined that 278 00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:26,200 day, and so with the additional body parts, I was able to add 279 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,319 them to each of the respective bodies. So there were some tattoos. There 280 00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:34,480 were pieces of skin that had tattoos that were not attached to the body part 281 00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:41,319 that fit other body parts that were later recovered. Also, the way the 282 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:47,799 bones were dismembered, were able to sort of fit the pieces together, sort 283 00:26:47,799 --> 00:26:52,359 of like a puzzle piece. The medical examiner used tattoos and saw marks to 284 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:59,279 piece the bodies back together. All in all, she had one male head, 285 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:04,640 one female head, one male upper torso, one female lower torso, 286 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:11,200 three hands, two legs, two male arms, four feet, and one 287 00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:18,279 arm with a hand attached quite the jigsaw puzzle. Two hands and two feet 288 00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:23,599 were determined to belong to the female because the nails were painted pink. The 289 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:30,119 female hand attached to its forearms still had two rings on the fingers. Luckily, 290 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:36,240 they were able to pull prints from the water saturated hands and come back 291 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:41,720 with an identification. The two victims were twenty seven year old Austin Winner and 292 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:48,720 thirty five year old Jessica Lewis. Besides being dismembered, their actual cause of 293 00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:55,839 death was bullet wounds. After the identification, the police had the daunting task 294 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:02,000 of informing the families. Here's Jessica's aunt, Gina, remembering her. She's 295 00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:07,559 like a raised sunshine. She helped to develop me disabled people she worked when 296 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:12,319 was a caregiver like that, and a lot of patients that I don't have. 297 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,799 Austin and Jessica had been together for nearly a decade. The other girlfriend 298 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,079 Jessica. Yes, I'm not completely sure, but I know it was a 299 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:27,720 number of years. Austin and Jessica were eight years apart, but despite their 300 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:37,160 age difference, they were incredibly close, inseparable. They loved each other as 301 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,000 a couple. They experienced a series of trials and tribulations in life, but 302 00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:48,400 they always stuck together. I mean, they had their struggles like we all 303 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,240 do. That just shows how much they did care for each other. They 304 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:57,920 didn't never leave each other when things got hard or rough, and they always 305 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:04,200 stuck it out or the ups and downs. When Jessica's aunt Gina first heard 306 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:11,200 the news, she was absolutely broken. Everyone, however, was told they 307 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:19,759 were both shot. They didn't mention what else happened. My brother's shock when 308 00:29:19,759 --> 00:29:26,079 he told me what happened, and just their hurt. Of course, the 309 00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:30,200 families of Austin and Jessica had seen the news and perhaps the viral video. 310 00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:37,880 I mean it was everywhere. I couldn't even believe that was their story because 311 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,400 I'd seen it trying to look for him. I don't want them to be 312 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,720 remembered for the brutality. I don't want them to be remembered in any violent 313 00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:52,759 way. I want them to be remembered for the you know, their humanity 314 00:29:52,799 --> 00:30:00,640 and their kindness. Accepting that both Jessica and Austin suffered horrible ends the family, 315 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:04,200 little solace, I want to believe that they didn't suffer. They were 316 00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:10,799 people, They were real people and who were loved. The investigation was far 317 00:30:10,839 --> 00:30:15,839 from over doing their due diligence. The police interviewed family and friends, and 318 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:22,200 sub peanut phone records. The last time either of them had been seen by 319 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:29,200 Austin's parents was three weeks to a month prior. Jessica was weeding and she 320 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:37,759 was planting her son's strawberry plant that he got. It was a reward, 321 00:30:37,359 --> 00:30:45,119 and so she planted that for him for me, and then Austin would do 322 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:52,720 all the weed eating, and he would mow the lawn and I mean it 323 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,599 offered to eat, feed them, you know that sort of thing. And 324 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:03,839 then he was going to be doing helping flatten some area for a shed that 325 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,880 I had gotten. Austin and Jessica often helped his mother with her yard. 326 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:14,079 Austin tried to see his mom at least once a month. He kept in 327 00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:18,799 contact with his dad on a nearly daily basis, daily or every other day 328 00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:23,960 it was. It was often. By mid June, Austin's father realized he 329 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,599 hadn't heard from his son in a few weeks and tried to contact him, 330 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:33,599 and I actually went over to the place he was staying and looking for him. 331 00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:37,640 They lived together in a room they rented in the city of Burien. 332 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,279 When Austin's dad went there and talked to the landlord, he told him something 333 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:48,680 unexpected, just that they had left in a hurry and left a mass. 334 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:56,599 He noticed something strange, however, some of my son's clothing were at the 335 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:02,119 trash cam. At the base of trash cam. He thought that was odd, 336 00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:08,079 but knew that Austin and Jessica, while they always stuck together, moved 337 00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:13,279 often. I asked him that if he heard from them, would he please 338 00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:17,119 have them contact me, because I was worried and hadn't heard from him in 339 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:23,920 a while. The police investigation revealed some disturbing information about Austin and Jessica. 340 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:30,160 There were reports that in the not too distant past, Austin and Jessica had 341 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:37,559 been assaulted by a group of Samoans affiliated with the Islander Bloods who burst into 342 00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:43,960 their home with guns wanting money. According to conflicting reports, this was over 343 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,880 a credit card scam gone wrong, or a twelve hundred dollars COVID voucher or 344 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:54,480 some check thing, who the hell knows. Another person said that the last 345 00:32:54,480 --> 00:33:00,160 time he saw the two, they were in fear for their lives because they 346 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:06,640 had done something quote bad. Another report said that Austin had discovered a bullet 347 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,960 in the mailbox that literally had his name on it. Other reports said that 348 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:17,440 two men, one described as quote Chinese black guy and the other guy named 349 00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:25,000 t Mac came looking for Austin knocking on doors in the neighborhood. The investigation 350 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:30,640 was all over the place until the King's County Sheriff's Office made an arrest on 351 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:37,640 an unrelated matter. They picked up Jennifer Leon for carjacking. During the investigation, 352 00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:44,680 she denied jacking any car and insisted that she borrowed it with permission. 353 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:55,920 Eventually, she just burst into tears and uttered a confession Alian like I said, 354 00:33:57,319 --> 00:33:59,799 if I wanted to toss you in jail with no question to ask, 355 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:09,239 you had already been there. Jen. She would go on to tell them 356 00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:14,480 she had a reason to believe the man that owned the house she was staying 357 00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:20,119 at murdered two people. The deputies asked a few more questions before realizing she 358 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:25,360 had information about the recent bodies discovered on Al Chai Beach. They contacted the 359 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,599 PD and got in touch with Detective Cooper. This is regarding the case I'm 360 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:36,639 investigating up in Seattle and there's a couple of people in it, two victims, 361 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,519 and it's a homicide case. First of all, did you know that 362 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,400 my two victims? I did not know them personally, and I had never 363 00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:49,360 seen them personally. I just know that they were residences in the bedroom that 364 00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:53,159 I now I am a residence at Okay And who's your current landlord? His 365 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:59,519 name is Michael Dudley d U D L E y Okay. I thought he 366 00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:02,400 was a great guy. He's really soft spoken, older man, had a 367 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:09,599 huge house. Jennifer found herself in a bit of a domestic violence situation and 368 00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:16,079 went to stay with Michael Dudley. He had a householl to himself before COVID, 369 00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:22,320 he rented rooms on Airbnb, but since he relied on word of mouth, 370 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,840 so Mike old landlord and Mike Michael, my current landlord are friends. 371 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,199 So that's how I came about me Mike. So he moved me out of 372 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,280 June eighth because I was in a valid situation, and he brought all my 373 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,880 items over there. However, I did not technically show up at his house 374 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:45,280 until like the ninth of June. Was anybody else there? No, it 375 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:51,760 was super super quiet. My friend Kimberly wasn't even there. But this Mike's 376 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:58,199 glasses had been broken and he had looked like he had been in a scuffle. 377 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:02,159 He had like what I would call it, scratches and everything. She 378 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,360 was concerned about his condition. She'd seen him less than twenty four hours earlier 379 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:13,360 and he was fine. Now he had scratches and the glasses were broken. 380 00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:16,960 As I asked him if he's okay, that's when he turns to the computer 381 00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:22,840 and starts texting me and telling me weird things. Apparently, the two residents 382 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:27,639 were rending in the room upstairs. He had told me he had to try 383 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,599 to lock him out of his house twice the day, and that people are 384 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:37,880 trash and they steal from me, and YadA, YadA, YadA. He 385 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,639 used to come over to Dave's house and complain what piece of shits so that 386 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,599 they are that they don't pay him rent, they don't move out. Yeah, 387 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,360 ok so you know they already had like a that he already had bad 388 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,800 jiju with him at that point. He emailed me a couple of weird things. 389 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,519 I got kind of spooked out, and I left and and he'd come 390 00:36:54,559 --> 00:37:00,159 back for a couple of morning. She asked him if he was okay. 391 00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:04,079 Rather than tell her face to face, he chose to email her while she 392 00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:08,480 was in the same room. If that wasn't weird enough. The cryptic answer 393 00:37:08,519 --> 00:37:14,920 to her question, which amounted to little more than bitching about tenants, creeped 394 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,920 her out. She laughed, but eventually had to go back. Me and 395 00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:22,400 Kim both came home to take a shower. It came, took a shower, 396 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,559 left, I took a shower and opened the fucking door. After taking 397 00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:30,360 a shower, she opened the door to the room formerly occupied by Austin and 398 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:37,519 Jessica. She immediately regretted what she saw. I opened the door, and 399 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:43,079 right here on the ground is heaps of clothing. I can see the figure 400 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,360 of a body like he'd like, and then the hands sitting up. Okay, 401 00:37:47,639 --> 00:37:52,880 and it's just mumber, bloody Ann. That's it officially. You don't 402 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,239 know it's Austin. No, I don't know. I don't even see a 403 00:37:55,280 --> 00:38:00,920 face. All I saw was a body and a bloody Anne. Fearing that 404 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:07,639 she may be in a worse situation than she was previously, she ran downstairs 405 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:12,760 and tried to play off the sighting as a joke. Her only chance for 406 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:19,599 survival was to play along with Dudley. Now my has cameras and computers everywhere 407 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,880 because he's directly underneath me. He knows everything, every creek. So I 408 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:30,199 immediately shut the door Juel Mary and walk down the stairs and go tell him 409 00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:34,920 I did a fuck up. And he looked at me. He's like, 410 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,719 why said I did something in your house? I shouldn't have it? Did 411 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,480 right now? I just opened the door and he looked at me. Then 412 00:38:43,519 --> 00:38:47,480 I, my dumb ass, says something like to the fact that, well, 413 00:38:47,519 --> 00:38:51,639 don't worry, Halloween's my favorite holitay and I love props, And he 414 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:57,079 started laughing his ass off. Okay, and then that was it. A 415 00:38:57,159 --> 00:39:00,320 couple hours later he told me, is there somewhere he can drop me because 416 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:05,639 he needs to clean up the mess Dudley offered her his truck keys to get 417 00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,599 her out of the house. While I'm doing this, he's getting plastic and 418 00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:14,960 where the wash basin is and the Washington dryer is there. He covered everything, 419 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:19,880 the ceiling, every part of that part of the downstairs with thick, 420 00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:23,679 clear plastic. I wouldn't let him go back there. I couldn't tell her 421 00:39:23,679 --> 00:39:27,639 why, but I just I kept her with me most of the time, 422 00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:30,320 and I told her, just please don't go back there. I can't say 423 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,239 anything, but just don't go back to the house. He's not happy with 424 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:36,719 you. I was trying to make Benny excuse so pretty much. No. 425 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:42,840 She stayed gone for seven days, but with nowhere else to go, she 426 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,920 eventually went back. So after I came back after seven days, because I 427 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:53,480 started thinking, I got somebody's killed somebody for you know, and I'm sitting 428 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,079 away in seven days and then come back and he might be mad, But 429 00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:00,960 he wasn't mad with me because it took now much longer to clean up. 430 00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:07,199 When I did come back the day after, I wasn't even talking about this 431 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,639 is origin because I don't want to talk about it. And he kept saying, 432 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,400 your room's ready for you. Your room's ready for you. I said, 433 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,800 why are you having me go and moving that room? Because Kim's not 434 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,760 there no more? He goes, why do you think Foustin's name is still 435 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:24,480 on my brokeo TV? Every time I turn it off? It psychot really 436 00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:29,119 fucked me up every day? Why don't you turn on TV up? Fuck 437 00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:31,719 me up? Every day? Fuck me up? For some reason, I 438 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,199 said, what happened? And he said, let's just put this way. 439 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:40,079 His gun is fired and minded it okay, Magic Mike. I call him 440 00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:45,360 Magic Mike because he makes things that disappear. He thinks as funny other than 441 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:52,840 some strange email correspondence with Dudley, Jennifer claimed to have more proof anything else 442 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,280 in that room besides what you saw after he cleaned up. I mean, 443 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,239 it's the room, furniture in it now or anything like that. Yeah, 444 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,360 yeah, And I just looked down and ordered something yesterday. You're gonna freak 445 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:07,159 out. Looks like a bullet hole. Actually, and at the foot of 446 00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:10,000 the bed that looked like a bullet was grace too. I've opened a nice 447 00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:13,599 tend a million times, and for some reason, I was looking at it 448 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,880 yesterday and it's a round hole and it looks like a straight blow hole. 449 00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:22,039 At that point, I couldn't report to anybody because I was scared for my 450 00:41:22,639 --> 00:41:25,280 you know what I'm saying. But after I found out that that girl was 451 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:31,760 shot multiple times, they have kids, I couldn't. Jennifer had pictures of 452 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:37,840 what appeared to be bullet holes in the furniture from the room Austin and Jessica 453 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:42,559 used to live in. She claimed to have seen a body and a bloody 454 00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:47,360 hand poorly hidden under a pile of laundry, and she had saved emails between 455 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:54,119 her and Dudley providing a timeline for the murder and dismemberment. June ninth, 456 00:41:54,719 --> 00:42:00,320 twenty twenty, when they checked with Beryon PD for the police history at the 457 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:06,800 house, they found another clue, quite a big one one one what are 458 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,360 you recording? Hi? My husband and I believe that we just heard guy 459 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,159 class next door and now we can hear somebody screaming for help. It's it's 460 00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:20,800 directly, it's kind of in our backyard to the right. It's like our 461 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,480 next door neighbor. What they're in the guards So they're technically like not on 462 00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:30,000 our street, okay, but our house borders with their backyard, okay, 463 00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:31,800 and just feel like a man or a woman screaming, or tenny too, 464 00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:37,039 it sounds like a man. Okay, you didn't see anything. You just 465 00:42:37,039 --> 00:42:42,039 heard the press and then nob yelling. Correct. On the evening of June 466 00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:46,280 ninth, before the sun was even all the way down, the gunnersons heard 467 00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:54,360 could only be gunshots coming from inside their neighbor's house, but the neighbor wasn't 468 00:42:54,400 --> 00:43:01,119 on the same street. It faced the street behind them. Jory Sates and 469 00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:10,760 Honora six South one six sixthen to Abas house starts one to zero three South 470 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:15,440 one six sixth street. Happy said, the house out of her backyard, 471 00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:17,000 and I heard what's kind of like a couple of shots, and now a 472 00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:22,559 man's only yelling. Can't see anything that's going on two zero three South one 473 00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:30,679 six sixteen units were dispatched quickly. Shots fired was a far more urgent called 474 00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:34,880 than a stinky bag on the beach. And when what are you reporting? 475 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,320 All right? My wife called just a minute ago about possible gunshots next door 476 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:45,280 and someone screaming for help. The actual address for our neighbor's house, because 477 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:53,119 it's our backyard neighbor is one six four six six and bomb bulevardself. Have 478 00:43:53,199 --> 00:43:59,039 you heard any additional disturbance since then? Yeah, the the kind of they 479 00:43:59,159 --> 00:44:01,800 yelling, kind of can can. Dan's just asking for help, saying please 480 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,000 stop, don't do this. Let me just leave, Let me just leave, 481 00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:10,440 Let me just leave. Oh, I athleet they're arriving now, I 482 00:44:10,519 --> 00:44:14,000 wann't sure to go talk to them, like if I want to tell them 483 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,119 where they're going. They're getting my updates all right, thank you, sir. 484 00:44:19,079 --> 00:44:22,599 Officers showed up in minutes. So many officers got this fast because it 485 00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:28,679 was a serious call out. It was an allegation of gunshots at the neighbor's 486 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:32,159 house and somebody yelling Helen, is that correct? Periand's a dangerous city. 487 00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:42,559 Shot calls are frequent, so anytime something like that happens, if people are 488 00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:47,599 available as many goals can for our safety. After checking in with the gunnersons, 489 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,320 they raced through the backyard and over the fence. They searched the entire 490 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:59,840 property. They knocked on the door, but no one answered. They checked 491 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:06,320 o every window, every door, every opening. Nothing was broken and they 492 00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:14,199 couldn't see inside. The detached barn was empty, The grounds were quiet. 493 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:21,960 There was no indication anything was going on. I didn't find any gunshots, 494 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,760 didn't find anything broken, a broken glass, no one in distress, no 495 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:32,199 one injured, nothing to indicate that there was a need to enter the residence. 496 00:45:34,199 --> 00:45:38,679 They called me and they just they said that nobody was answering the door, 497 00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:44,159 and so since they didn't have a search one, they couldn't go inside. 498 00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,039 So that was the extent of what they could do at the time. 499 00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:53,760 Yeah, they stopped by and said that they didn't they didn't see anything or 500 00:45:53,800 --> 00:46:00,880 hear anything, and nobody answered. If only they had found owned a reason 501 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:07,360 to go inside, they would have realized that Dudley had just murdered Austin and 502 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:14,480 Jessica. In the days and weeks to follow, the Gunnersons noticed something else 503 00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:22,199 unusual. No, I mean, the only thing that I remember smelling from 504 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:32,360 the Dudley property was an extremely pungent and overwhelming smell of rotting. It was 505 00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:44,599 the smell of when you forget that you had left meat and your refrigerator and 506 00:46:44,639 --> 00:46:47,960 it turns bad and you open up the package and it's just rotten. It 507 00:46:49,079 --> 00:47:23,880 smelled like that, but a million times more powerful. The police investigation into 508 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:30,400 the human remains found in bags along the Alkai Beach and the Duwamish River land 509 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:36,920 to Michael Dudley. The discovery of the nine one one calls about gunshots and 510 00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:43,480 the eventual horrendous smell emanating from his home, combined with the witness statement from 511 00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:50,159 Jennifer Leon and Jessica's phone records, gave the police enough for a search and 512 00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:55,559 a rest warrant. The last time Jessica's phone was on was the ninth and 513 00:47:55,599 --> 00:48:01,440 the last tower it connected to was in the area the home. Dudley was 514 00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:07,039 lured away from his home by the King County Sheriff's Office claiming they had a 515 00:48:07,079 --> 00:48:12,960 development in the case of Dudley's recently poisoned chickens, and he was swarmed and 516 00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:23,840 taken into custody. Okay, my detective Pole, I did not charge myself, 517 00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:30,480 So you have no idea what it's about. Am I under arrest? 518 00:48:30,639 --> 00:48:32,800 You said, Tanning, you're an arrest that's why you're where. Am I 519 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,519 under a rose? Well, we're investigating to death and so a couple of 520 00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:40,360 people that's supposed to have been seeing at your face? Are you talking about 521 00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:45,559 lots? So yeah, so technically to bring you in here, you're under 522 00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:52,639 arrest for further relate to their death investigation of homicide? Are you know your 523 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,239 mind? You're saying I film, Well that's what I want to talk to 524 00:48:55,280 --> 00:49:01,280 you about. If you didn't do it, then I didn't good Okay, 525 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,800 my friends, Okay, then okay. People are saying you had something to 526 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:10,480 do with it. It was saying I just need to ask questions, that's 527 00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:13,800 all you have. Well, I got a question, people, Why are 528 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,559 you think you're come and ask me this? Like a month ago? I 529 00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:21,800 would think that if they have been living there, you would just come to 530 00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,880 talk to me first. Well, and who are these people? A number 531 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:30,760 of people? Okay, did you see anything about them in the news about 532 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,559 uh yeah, okay, So what do you see all about the news? 533 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,960 I've heard something about the Alakaye beach, you know and worship and suitcase full 534 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:45,320 of derbage? Answer okay. And did you hear anything about it cause of 535 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,320 death or anything like you know they've been sean or anything like that. I've 536 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,159 read something about that. Yeah, okay. So with that being said, 537 00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:58,119 people were like pointing the finger at you. I go out there, I'm 538 00:49:58,159 --> 00:50:00,920 getting a hold on with the finger of it. People that know you that 539 00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:06,119 maybe don't like you, Okay, so I'm just woo who doesn't like it? 540 00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:09,400 Well? Again, well we all they're not everybody likes everybody. Okay, 541 00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:14,039 there's people that don't like that. Well, I can't again, I 542 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:15,079 told you, but I'm gonna tell you who it is. I can't do 543 00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:22,079 that. Dudley played the part of an old man. Well, he fell 544 00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:25,599 asleep while waiting for detectives to question him, and when they finally did, 545 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:31,119 he tried to place the blame on them. Why did you call police? 546 00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:36,360 Always went for you guys to call man, I figured you'd be right there 547 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:42,840 when we did call White, Why didn't you you? Uh, there's really 548 00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,559 nothing to report, and I figured, you know, you'd be there. 549 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,840 I thought there isn't that part of your standard procedure. Yeah, but he 550 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:52,719 was kind of sitting there like, wonder what you know, where the hell 551 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:57,119 you guys have been? And now I started wondering what the hell was going 552 00:50:57,159 --> 00:51:01,400 on? I mean there were people that knew them. Listen, you did, 553 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:05,239 I mean you you pretty much room with him, They lived with him. 554 00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,800 I had a guy from Eachreshan that hadn't talked to him for four years 555 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:14,239 and called us. So, I mean, do you see why you were 556 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:19,280 kind of perplexed. Well, I was perplexed too, I mean, you 557 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:23,880 know, Dudley claimed he expected to be interviewed after he heard the news of 558 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:30,679 Austin and Jessica's untimely demise, but when it didn't happen, he didn't bother 559 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:37,599 involving himself. I mean, why would you so when Austin and Jessa were 560 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:39,440 staying there? I mean, anybody else standing there when you guys are you 561 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:45,480 guys were just on lockdown. We were on lockdown. Okay, did you 562 00:51:45,519 --> 00:51:50,519 have any problems with Austin at all? I mean, uh, very frog 563 00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:54,599 I had with him was sealing it. Everybody says he would steal anything if 564 00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:59,280 it wasn't long. He was a freaking prolific Steve. But yeah, again, 565 00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:07,840 we were quarantine together, and you know, you know, uh got 566 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:12,320 to know him pret good and her got to know him both pretty good. 567 00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:22,719 And he he said that's what he did. He you know, he would 568 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:30,800 prefer to do that over work. There's a lot of people that probably would 569 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:37,559 have wanted him to that way. When Dudley was asked to elaborate on the 570 00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:42,079 other people that would want Austin dead, he brought up the same false leads 571 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:45,519 from earlier in the investigation. You know, he would go on and on 572 00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:50,960 about you know, his conspiracies and this and that, and but then he 573 00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:58,000 said, oh no, no, it wasn't messmotives. If I got this 574 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:04,239 right, you know, he robbed the simoons, who robbed the Mexicans, 575 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:12,039 who owed money to some curtail. Well, then say what he what he 576 00:53:12,199 --> 00:53:16,039 robbed from this moment, said it was like the douppel bags full of dove 577 00:53:17,199 --> 00:53:22,679 beyond the stories about Samoan drug dealing gang members. Quite a new one for 578 00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:27,760 me, and I've been doing this for a while. Detectives wanted to know 579 00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:31,599 about Dudley's relationship with the two. So you didn't have a beef with them 580 00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:36,039 at all? Oh, it's a little beast with him, you know. 581 00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:39,079 I was always you know, well, I mean like a beef my friend 582 00:53:39,559 --> 00:53:45,400 with my friend. He claimed to be their friend, but was upset about 583 00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:49,559 the stealing and not paying rent. I gotta ask you, do you ever 584 00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:57,960 shoot your gun in your house? Uh? I have occasionally, Uh uh 585 00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:05,159 I have a miss fire. Okay sometimes Can you explain that to me? 586 00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:08,760 What are your friends with people finding? I mean, well, they're in 587 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:15,440 the blue room and they there's they said, there's a bullet there's two bullet 588 00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:22,119 strikes on the wooden bed frame. So I'm like, yeah, okay, 589 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,920 so can you I mean, yeah, can you explain that I've had that. 590 00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:30,679 I got that from my friend Tom, and you know, I'm there 591 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:37,159 for a walk one high. He had an excuse for everything, and no 592 00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:39,880 one has anybody ever been injured in that room or anything, because I would 593 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:45,440 be in Dover's blood in the room too. Well. Yeah, Jessica cut 594 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:53,280 her eighteen stitches in her thigh and she was walking around with one of these 595 00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,719 uh what do you call them? Pressure washers? You come on, oh, 596 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,039 yeah, that'll do it. He playing the bed frame was used, 597 00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:06,880 and he didn't know anything about bullet strikes. If they found any blood, 598 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:09,559 it could have been from the time Jessica cut her leg and required stitches. 599 00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:14,039 I also have cadaver dogs out there. You know what a cadaver dog is, 600 00:55:14,119 --> 00:55:19,000 right, okay, And they're they're lurning down in the basement and stuff 601 00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:22,800 like that to stuff, and there's some scenes down there and stuff like that. 602 00:55:23,639 --> 00:55:28,920 I'm asking if there's a reason why he's in I was dead. Body's 603 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,960 in my BASI, I'm sure of that. Okay, that way, even 604 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:35,000 in the chicken coop or anything like that, you can go have a look 605 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:38,039 and they're about to cut a hole in the wall to retrieve a bullet. 606 00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:45,280 Sudley feigned ignorance to everything the detective brought up. I mean, Austin and 607 00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:46,760 Jessica lived at your place. That was the last place saying with that, 608 00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:51,760 and they actually told people if something bad happened to me, you know this 609 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:58,320 Mike motherfucker did shit to me. I'm just telling you, well, his 610 00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,760 mom told me that. They said, if anything bad ever happened to us, 611 00:56:04,199 --> 00:56:07,280 look at Mike. Why would they I don't know. That's why I'm 612 00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:10,719 asking you. Why would they say to her? I mean, I'm trying 613 00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,440 to get to your side of the story. If something happened to them there 614 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,400 and you know something about it, this is probably the time you want to 615 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:25,800 tell us. I I said, I didn't kill him, and I don't 616 00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:32,480 know what happened to them. Dudley denied at all, even with all the 617 00:56:32,519 --> 00:56:37,679 little pieces of evidence that pointed in his direction. He maintained that they just 618 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:43,119 moved out suddenly, and the next thing he knew, they were all over 619 00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:49,320 the news. Michael Dudley was arrested and charged with the murders of Austin Winner 620 00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:55,360 and Jessica Lewis after the forensic team found evidence in their former bedroom. A 621 00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:01,320 hole in the wall that was recently patched and paid it over revealed a bullet. 622 00:57:02,519 --> 00:57:09,159 They also found a minute drop of blood that matched Austin. He would 623 00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:16,480 plead not guilty and proceed the trial. After a long two month trial and 624 00:57:16,559 --> 00:57:22,639 a day and a half of jury deliberations, he was found guilty of two 625 00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:30,280 counts of second degree murder. The families of Austin and Jessica wept when the 626 00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:34,639 verdict was read. I'm so overwhelmed right now, it's hard to even come 627 00:57:34,719 --> 00:57:42,559 up with the words. But my son is shining down from up above and 628 00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:50,920 saying, you got a mom, And I just want to think the detect 629 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:59,800 us for letting us be one of the lucky ones that hopefully this animals off 630 00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:04,840 the streets. Now the world is a safer place without Michael Dudley in it. 631 00:58:07,159 --> 00:58:13,159 Everybody can rest easy tonight because of that. On December sixth, twenty 632 00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:17,599 twenty two, Michael Dudley was sentenced to a little less than forty seven years 633 00:58:19,079 --> 00:58:27,400 in prison. Michael Dudley killed Austin Winner and Jessica Lewis. His reason was 634 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:31,800 simple. He didn't want them in his house anymore, and the laws made 635 00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:37,000 it hard for him to get rid of them. They didn't pay, they 636 00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:42,679 lied, they cheated, and they stole. They brought drama, negativity, 637 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:51,280 and stress along with them, and that's always bad. Michael Dudley was trapped. 638 00:58:52,159 --> 00:58:58,559 But what Austin and Jessica didn't realize was that they were trapped also. 639 00:59:00,159 --> 00:59:08,360 Cure would be worse than the disease. They all collectively ignored all of the 640 00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:15,320 red flags, waving furiously, and then one evening, when Dudley had had 641 00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:22,719 enough of them, he decided to remove them from his life and the planet 642 00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:32,440 altogether. Rather than go through the complex and expensive process of eviction, magic, 643 00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:53,440 Mike just tried to make them disappear. All right, that's gonna do 644 00:59:53,519 --> 00:59:58,159 it. Thanks again for supporting Sword and Scale. We can't say this enough. 645 00:59:58,719 --> 01:00:01,840 You guys are awesome. Thank you for being patient with us. Well, 646 01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:06,679 we get this new app roll out going, and uh look there's a 647 01:00:06,679 --> 01:00:08,880 lot more updates coming. We're gonna add auto play, we're gonna add offline 648 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:14,280 downloads. We're gonna add a shuffle all that stuff, so just calm down, 649 01:00:14,320 --> 01:01:29,119 it's coming. Oh yeah, let's stay safe. Hi. I just 650 01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:35,039 wanted to say that I love the podcast so much that it is the very 651 01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:40,199 first time I have ever paid or put money towards the podcast. Maybe I 652 01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:45,119 shouldn't be proud of that, but I know other people identify with me when 653 01:01:45,159 --> 01:01:49,679 they get the notification that Apple hit their bank and took a charge out, 654 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:53,239 and you go in thinking what did I forget to cancel? Which free subscription 655 01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:59,760 did I forget? But it's this podcast, so Story of Scale is worth 656 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:05,159 it. Not gonna ask for a refrom on that, And I can't wait 657 01:02:05,199 --> 01:03:17,719 to hear the next stop. So man,