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If 28 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,959 you have concerns about coverage, you can just ask them at it's Patriot Mobile 29 00:01:56,239 --> 00:02:00,840 dot com, slash chicks, code chicks or call nine seven to Patriot Make 30 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:07,799 the switch to day do it now. It is time to get into this 31 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,840 week's episode. This week's Deep Dive, which is gonna be a little I 32 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:14,599 think it's gonna be a little juicy. Yeah, I think it's gonna be 33 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:16,879 a little juicy. A lot of people don't know that because I mean we 34 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:20,800 have some newbies and a lot of people don't know that we've been doing this 35 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:27,719 political thing for gosh almost fifteen years. Now we old and so can you 36 00:02:27,759 --> 00:02:30,560 believe we started doing this when we were in our thirties like our that is 37 00:02:31,599 --> 00:02:35,960 it's crazy, It's like so it would yeah like our Yeah, in our 38 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,319 thirties. We were in our thirties. We were I mean I was on 39 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,960 the very tailing tail, but I mean like still we were in our thirties, 40 00:02:43,039 --> 00:02:46,039 like we were, Yeah, we were there. We were still chick. 41 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:52,080 We were still firm and supple. We hadn't reached the hen stage. 42 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:55,800 We hadn't or the reading glasses stage, like now I can't see you unless 43 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,840 I have these on. And so back then I had twenty twenty vision. 44 00:03:00,039 --> 00:03:04,080 I mean I had firm everything. Things were up and not down. I 45 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,240 mean, it's everything was totally different back then, as was I think maybe 46 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:13,240 like politics wasn't completely different. But we have seen things change over the past 47 00:03:13,319 --> 00:03:16,520 almost fifteen years. So one of the things that got me thinking about this 48 00:03:16,599 --> 00:03:21,159 is the other day on our daily show, I just, you know, 49 00:03:21,319 --> 00:03:25,479 just spontaneously shared a story about the Food Fighters because when we did our radio 50 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:34,159 show in Indianapolis for almost eight years, we used a food fightter song as 51 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:38,639 our like our show song music. Yeah, it was like, it's not 52 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,400 really of our bump music. It was like our kickoff song was like our 53 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:46,199 theme song. The yea our theme song, and it kind was I remember 54 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,439 our executive producer he was like, you know, what music do you like 55 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,039 and I remember I said it might have food Fighters is my favorite band, 56 00:03:52,439 --> 00:03:54,120 and you said, Robbie Williams is my favorite singer. And of course we 57 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,800 weren't going to use Robbie Williams because nobody knew who the hell he was, 58 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,159 and so he obviously chose a food Fighters song, which is Walk. That's 59 00:04:01,159 --> 00:04:08,840 a song walk as our theme music. And we used it for years. 60 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:12,159 I mean I think we probably used it for what like five or six years. 61 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,759 It was a long time at least. Yeah. Yeah, and then 62 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,839 some ass hat got, you know, wind of it, or he heard 63 00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:21,199 it. I guess he was a liberal dude who heard it and he just 64 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:29,600 got irritated by the fact that two conservative radio host women dared to use the 65 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:33,240 song at the beginning of their show. And I guess you know he was 66 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:38,519 somehow affiliated with the Food Fighters, and I don't think he was. I 67 00:04:38,519 --> 00:04:41,920 think he just tweeted at their man, tweeted at their management, and then 68 00:04:41,959 --> 00:04:45,399 their management was like, m you can't do this, And so we got 69 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:50,079 a cease and desist from the Food Fighters to stop using the song at the 70 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,680 beginning of our show after using it for years, you know, and so 71 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,360 many people over those you know, the course of that with five or six 72 00:04:57,399 --> 00:04:59,560 years, however long we used it, We're like, hey, what's that 73 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:04,160 song? Really like that song? We had given probably a jillion people just 74 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,920 a hat tip where that well gave the food Fighters a hat tip for that 75 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,360 song. So many people had never even heard of the Foods, or they 76 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,759 didn't know that the Foods sang that song, or they love that They ended 77 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,759 up loving that song because of us. We gave them so much. It 78 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,240 was a tribute to them. And I love them. I had been, 79 00:05:20,319 --> 00:05:24,600 oh my god, I'd probably been this I don't know, eight or nine 80 00:05:24,879 --> 00:05:27,680 Food Fighters concerts over the years, and I love them so much. So 81 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:30,600 you have no idea how much that well you did. You knew how MU 82 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,560 should have broke my heart. But people out there have no idea how much 83 00:05:32,639 --> 00:05:35,360 that broke my heart when we got that season desist, because it's like, 84 00:05:35,399 --> 00:05:40,000 your very favorite band, you just love so much, You've been to their 85 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,120 concerts, you bought the swag, you've been invested, you've I mean, 86 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,040 you love them, and then you get a season desist from the band and 87 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,040 they're like, you can't use our song, you can't sit at our table, 88 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,439 Like you can't, you just can't like our music kind of a thing. 89 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,680 I just was so heartbroken over that. I was so pissed. I 90 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,839 wanted to burn all their stuff. I didn't because I'm a rock and roll 91 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,480 and I was like, you know what, you guys are freaking fascists, 92 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:10,360 Like how dare you call yourselves rock and roll people and then tell two conservative 93 00:06:10,399 --> 00:06:15,720 moms that they can't rock and roll to your music? You jerks, Dave 94 00:06:15,759 --> 00:06:18,240 Grohl, and so I was just so pissed about that, And that's what 95 00:06:18,319 --> 00:06:24,040 made me think, Okay, looking back over retrospectively over the past almost fifteen 96 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,560 years, like some of the stuff that's happened to us that people just don't 97 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,839 know about, you know, some of the neat, little quirky stories and 98 00:06:28,879 --> 00:06:34,040 people that we've met and disappointment, surprises, favorites non favorites along the way, 99 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,720 and I'm like, we should probably share some of those fun stories because 100 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,040 we've just never shared or just I don't think we've shared a lot of the 101 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,959 stories. Like the food Fighters thing, I don't think we've ever really talked 102 00:06:43,959 --> 00:06:46,480 about very much, you know, in public. So I thought that was 103 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,560 kind of a quirky little story. Really pissed off with the Foods. If 104 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:53,360 Dave Girl ever gets winned of this, which will never listen to this podcast, 105 00:06:53,439 --> 00:06:58,319 But he has no idea how much you broke my heart and how much 106 00:06:58,399 --> 00:07:00,920 I think he's a fascist and might never look at their music the same now, 107 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,639 and I'll never go to another one of their concerts again. And the 108 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:09,079 very first concert I ever took our son too was the Foods when he was 109 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,439 fourteen years old, and that like they have no idea, like how that 110 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,720 changed my whole perspective of the food five of them, of music, of 111 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:23,120 the music industry, like what jerks you know, Well, it's just so 112 00:07:23,199 --> 00:07:28,160 dumb when any musician does this, when they tell any political can't anybody or 113 00:07:28,199 --> 00:07:31,839 any show whatever whoever, they say, you can't use my song even though 114 00:07:31,839 --> 00:07:35,240 you love it and you are using it to promote me. You can't use 115 00:07:35,279 --> 00:07:40,399 it because I disagree with you politically. That's just freaking Lane. It's fascism, 116 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:45,000 Lane, that's fascism, you jerk. So that was really irritating. 117 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,279 So I started thinking to myself, like when we first went into radio, 118 00:07:47,399 --> 00:07:50,720 that first day we were on the radio. Do you remember our first day 119 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:54,279 on the air. It was a Saturday, because we had a Saturday show 120 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:57,759 at first before we were on Drive Time, and we went on the air 121 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:01,519 and that chick who screamed at it us the first day. We'll never forget 122 00:08:01,519 --> 00:08:07,920 it. And it should be said that we had no intention starting our careers 123 00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:11,120 or even starting our website. We never would have dreamed in a millionaires that 124 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,800 we would get a radio show. Radio was not in our background. It 125 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:16,920 was nothing we ever knew about. We were doing our first show terrified. 126 00:08:16,959 --> 00:08:20,920 We'd had like what two or three practice shows that were not even you know, 127 00:08:20,959 --> 00:08:24,720 they were just with a producer, and then we were just going to 128 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:28,839 be thrown into the wolves on a Saturday live show. So we were already 129 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,759 super nor terrified. Yeah, we were pretty terrified. So we get on 130 00:08:31,799 --> 00:08:35,080 the air and I remember you know, I was on one side, you're 131 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,039 on the other. We had a boardop. I think there's a boardop in 132 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:41,240 there. I'm pretty sure because we didn't run the board. Yeah, Craig 133 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:45,240 was in there, That's right, Craig was in there. God, Craig. 134 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,720 I remember Craig. So remember we made him play blurred played every single 135 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,519 Saturday. Yeah, we were just ridiculous. The butt music. Don't come 136 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:56,759 after us, Robina, don't do it. But yes, Craig was in 137 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:01,879 there. And I remember talking about Obama. I was talking about Obama, 138 00:09:01,919 --> 00:09:05,559 and I was talking about the fact that I thought it was odd that he 139 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:13,399 called himself exclusively a black man because he is in fact biracial, which is 140 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:18,240 true. He's it's true, he's a biracial man. And I thought it 141 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:22,000 was odd because the person who raised him was a white woman, which is 142 00:09:22,039 --> 00:09:28,840 also true. There's nothing non factual about that. And you know, I 143 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:33,480 thought it was odd because his dad abandoned them basically, or his dad wasn't 144 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:37,200 around the white woman, the white his white mother raised him. And so 145 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:41,679 but I thought it was odd that he sort of just rejected the whiteness in 146 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:46,840 him and then he just took on the persona of a black man, and 147 00:09:46,879 --> 00:09:48,559 I'm like, well, that's weird because there are a lot of biracial kids 148 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:52,840 out there who would have loved to have been able to say that's the first 149 00:09:52,879 --> 00:09:56,840 biracial president, you know what I mean? So I made that point, 150 00:09:58,519 --> 00:10:01,639 and man, that woman during the break she came in, she busted in, 151 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,720 and I guess she's a She's a black woman married to a white man, 152 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:09,759 and she just let me have it, which is weird. Well, 153 00:10:09,799 --> 00:10:15,000 and she worked in our newsroom like she was an actual employee of the same 154 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:20,399 ratings. Came in and started screaming at me, at us because I had 155 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:26,559 the audacity to say that because she was raising two boys who she considered to 156 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:30,799 be black, I guess even though her husband is white. Right, So 157 00:10:30,799 --> 00:10:33,600 she was doing the same thing as Obama, and she was trying to make 158 00:10:33,639 --> 00:10:39,399 the point terribly by the way, that it was perfectly legitimate for Obama to 159 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,200 do what he was doing. And she was like Seema, and she was 160 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,360 holding up her family picture and we were like so, so it's like what, 161 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,840 I'm like, you're kid, why are you fright? This makes no 162 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:54,639 sense? Your boys are beautiful, but you're making a ship point because I 163 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,480 like, I don't understand what and literally just screaming, and we had what 164 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,799 like three minutes to get on the air and get ourselves situated for like the 165 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:07,200 second segment that we were doing in Our Lives Live. I mean, it 166 00:11:07,279 --> 00:11:09,600 was just was so nerve wracking. That was the worst. So that was 167 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:16,120 like our introduction into being on the radio, and it was terrifying and like 168 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:22,559 being thrown on basically being thrown into a hot fire. I just remember that 169 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:24,639 day was I thought, do we have to do this every day? Because 170 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,360 I don't know if I can handle this, like my blood pressure, and 171 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:31,320 I was I did not know this was going to happen like every single day. 172 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,639 I don't know, And we were not we I remember we took like 173 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:37,399 a pay cut from both of our regular jobs just to do radio. We 174 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,919 both took like a fifty percent cut and pay and I thought, I don't 175 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:43,240 know if I'm cut out for this. I don't know if I am. 176 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:48,399 This is crazy. So yeah, that was our introduction into radio and it 177 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,159 was crazy, but then it ended up being super fun and it did and 178 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:56,080 there was some karma there because ultimately she was fired not for that reason, 179 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,360 but just because she was kind of an awful person. She got fired, 180 00:12:00,399 --> 00:12:03,360 and then the company that she went to work for, which was a liberal 181 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,639 rag, ended up going out of business. So it all worked out, 182 00:12:05,799 --> 00:12:07,559 they really did. Karma is a bitch. Karma is a real bitch. 183 00:12:07,639 --> 00:12:11,480 Yeah. So then we ended up doing radio for you know, eight years, 184 00:12:11,639 --> 00:12:15,600 almost eight years, and it was super fun. Radio was awesome. 185 00:12:15,799 --> 00:12:18,919 I mean, you can't I don't know, you can't even express how how 186 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:22,120 much fun that job. It was like working at a giant frat house where 187 00:12:22,159 --> 00:12:26,919 you get to like hang out with your best friends and then just do exactly 188 00:12:26,919 --> 00:12:31,360 what you love every single day. But we had some really cool interviews and 189 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:35,639 then we had some really terrible interviews. I would say, like who who 190 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,600 would you say would be your favorite the favorite people like person or people that 191 00:12:39,759 --> 00:12:45,799 we interviewed in radio specifically, well just any in general over the past, 192 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,440 like in the past. I mean, I guess podcasting too, if you 193 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:52,639 want to use podcasting as a okay to yeah, that makes it easier because 194 00:12:52,639 --> 00:12:56,440 I you know, we talked to like we had regular segments in radio with 195 00:12:56,519 --> 00:13:00,240 Denesta SUSA with Todd Starns. Those were always fun. But when you look 196 00:13:00,279 --> 00:13:03,759 at I feel like we've and actually we interviewed Megan Kelly back in our radio 197 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:09,039 days, which was that was a really big yeah. But I would say 198 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,360 for favorites, like of all time, there are so many people that I 199 00:13:13,399 --> 00:13:18,039 have loved having us having on with us, Like Zubie one of my all 200 00:13:18,039 --> 00:13:20,879 time favorites. Great love having Zubie. I loved having Rick Grinnell. I 201 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:24,000 felt like that was such a good interview that we had with him. Rand 202 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:30,080 Paul was another one that he was fantastic. Yeah, yeah, I loved 203 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,639 having him. I loved way back in the early days when we talked to 204 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,080 Blair White. Yeah, she was a phenomenon. She was great. That 205 00:13:37,159 --> 00:13:41,639 was awesome. Yeah, she was great. She was really great. Oh 206 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:46,559 and then remember when we did we did like as soon as Brandon Struck got 207 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,679 released from prison, essentially when he came on our show to tell us his 208 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:56,799 story of that entire thing like being rated and being arrested and all that stuff, 209 00:13:56,159 --> 00:14:03,440 that is such a powerful, powerful episode. I just I loved that. 210 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:05,440 And then anytime we talked to Dave Ruben and I think it's it's really 211 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,960 fun because he's just very like he is super fun, really super fun. 212 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,200 I would say and like back in the day in radio. Two. Of 213 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:18,000 the ones that stick out for me the very first one because it just has 214 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:22,639 such a tie to my childhood. And and I usually don't get star struck 215 00:14:22,799 --> 00:14:24,320 when we do because I'm just not really a big like, oh my god, 216 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:26,399 it's a celebrity. I'm like losing my mind. Oh my god. 217 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:30,519 I just don't get that way with people. I just don't. Maybe I 218 00:14:30,559 --> 00:14:31,559 should, but I just don't. I'm like, whatever, they put their 219 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:35,000 pants on the same way that everybody else. But Dennis Miller was a really 220 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,799 big deal for me. Like when we talked to Dennis Miller, I was 221 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,279 like, holy shit, we're talking to Dennis Miller. Like that's so when 222 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,519 we met him, and he was loved we met him in person and like 223 00:14:45,559 --> 00:14:48,320 we did he like held her. I mean, I just I was like 224 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,639 kind of star struck with him. And and I think it's because you know, 225 00:14:52,759 --> 00:14:54,399 I remember watching him when I was a kid, and I just loved 226 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,799 him and he's such a smart guy, and yeah, and he was. 227 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,360 And I think also because he was so dear to us, like he treated 228 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:09,120 us with such respect and he gave us a lot of time, and yeah, 229 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:13,679 I really liked him a lot. The dirty Jobs guy. Oh Mike 230 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,519 Row, Yes, I love that. Remember when he sang us opera God, 231 00:15:16,559 --> 00:15:22,360 I love mic Row spent forty five minutes on the phone with us one 232 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:26,679 day, and he would have spent longer. I mean, he was incredibly 233 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,840 dear to us. He did not have to do that, And so it 234 00:15:28,919 --> 00:15:33,960 just shows you, like you could tell people who have character, you know, 235 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:37,879 who are just decent human beings. And I think Dennis Miller is a 236 00:15:37,879 --> 00:15:41,440 decent human being. I think Mike Row is a decent human being. So 237 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:48,039 those two stick out to me as being just like normal people who have become 238 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:52,159 famous, and thank god they stayed kind of normal, you know what I 239 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:56,159 mean. Those are two people who stuck stick out that we have had the 240 00:15:56,399 --> 00:15:58,919 just the absolute blessing to be able to talk to. And then the third 241 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,080 one that sticks out to me, which I thought was just a really cool 242 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:07,480 person to be able to interview because she is historical, is oney to broad 243 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:11,200 Rick. Remember when we got to interview her and we got to ask her 244 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:15,120 all sorts of questions and that that was cool because I remember, you know, 245 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:19,240 being right out of college and all that stuff happening, and like her 246 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,799 name getting thrown around, and it was just cool, like being an adult 247 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,360 and being like, wow, I get to interview her, like she's just 248 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:29,120 a part of history, and she's in history. You know, she'll she'll 249 00:16:29,159 --> 00:16:30,960 be a part of history that I'm sure my daughter will read about and I'll 250 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,759 be able to go I interviewed her once, you know, like that's and 251 00:16:33,799 --> 00:16:37,960 she was also very dear to us. Well. And the sucky thing about 252 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,360 some of those is that they're gone forever because the radio station doesn't archive those. 253 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,799 And it just makes me sick to my stomach that those interviews are just 254 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,919 gone. They're just they're gone. They're pooh right, you're right. I 255 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,759 hate that too, And I hate that they don't archive. I know, 256 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,960 that just drives me crazy. And then the last one that I thought was 257 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,360 really cool, So we got to talk to Elvida King. 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You want the 285 00:18:52,279 --> 00:18:56,160 biggest disappointments, the biggest, least favorite and biggest disappointments in the industry. 286 00:18:56,279 --> 00:19:00,319 Let's talk about let's start. Let's start dishing the dirt. Now, this 287 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:03,519 is this is where it gets dirty. Well, here's the thing. Instead 288 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:10,640 of like picking my least favorite interviews, actually my top least favorite interview is 289 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,240 Ronda Santis because it never has Oh god, I love that, yeah, 290 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,000 because he just says ignored us, because we're just totally ignored us. But 291 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:25,200 I will say tied for second place is every single person. And I wrote 292 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,319 some of them down because I remembered them off my list, and not because 293 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:30,720 they were bad interviews, because they were on for the most part, delightful. 294 00:19:30,839 --> 00:19:37,640 Anybody that we've interviewed who hasn't had the common courtesy to simply reatweets their 295 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,480 appearance, you are on my shit list. That includes people like Sarah Sanders, 296 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:48,519 like Ainsley Earhart, like Shannon Bream, like Riley Gaines, like Hung 297 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:52,039 Koo even I mean people that we have loved talking to, who have just 298 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,359 decided, well, we got your audience. You don't get to have any 299 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,759 of ours. That's shitty. And I don't like any of those people. 300 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,640 Well, I mean I get it, I get it. I mean I 301 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:06,839 totally get that because a lot that has been very disappointing to me, Like 302 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,119 there's a there's some there's a trend at least towards us in this industry where 303 00:20:11,799 --> 00:20:15,559 we are not as popular as some of these people, and so they feel 304 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:21,319 like they can just come take our audience and move on. It's like sleeping 305 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:26,440 with the girl that is, you know that's not so popular, and they're 306 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,279 just like, yeah, I can just discard her and move on. Yeah, 307 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:33,039 that's literally who we are in this industry. And that gets really freaking 308 00:20:33,079 --> 00:20:37,119 old that I hate that too. That happens to us all the time. 309 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,000 And our audience all the time, and our audience is awesome. We have 310 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:44,519 a fantastic audience and we have a really great following, and we have we 311 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:48,400 have big numbers, which is why they like our show. But we're not 312 00:20:48,559 --> 00:20:52,000 Daily Wire, we're not Bright Bar, We're not you know, like Turning 313 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,880 Point, We're not one of those big ones. And so they're like, 314 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,079 well, we'll use their audience and then we don't have to retweet or do 315 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,960 anything else at these rolls because you know, they're just whatever, they're just 316 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,759 the chicks on the right, doesn't matter, and so that's how we're treated 317 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,720 and that pisses me off. So it's like I always say, we're sort 318 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,160 of like the Roman Michelle Man. We're the Roman Michelle of the conservative industry 319 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:18,720 that gets a little it does get a little old. And it started I 320 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,680 don't know where, Like I don't I don't know why that phenomenon started, 321 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,119 but it kind of started like right around the time we wrote our book. 322 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:30,200 Like when we wrote our book, we wrote that it's a damn good book, 323 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,559 and we didn't really get even a lot of the help. No offense 324 00:21:34,599 --> 00:21:38,279 against the people that we worked with, even at MS, But we really 325 00:21:38,279 --> 00:21:41,119 didn't even get a lot of the help that we thought we were going to 326 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,799 get propping up that book and helping to promote it from the people that surrounded 327 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,000 us at that time, you know what I mean. Yeah, I thought 328 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:52,519 it would be a much bigger deal, especially because our radio station at the 329 00:21:52,559 --> 00:21:59,880 time owned the local Indianapolis magazine, Indianapolis Monthly, and they were utterly uninterested. 330 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:03,640 And I'm like, we work in your building. It's crazy. Why 331 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,279 would you not want to at least do a little profile on the fact that 332 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:12,079 these two just like suburban now rural, but like suburban rural moms who wrote 333 00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:15,400 a book and who had like this explosion of popularity. I feel like that's 334 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,559 a's historical interest, that's a human interest story. And they were just like, 335 00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:22,400 I'm sorry you are yeah, And they'd be like, I'm sorry, 336 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:26,440 We're gonna go ahead and just put like cupcakes on our cover this month because 337 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,559 people are more interested in like the cupcake explosion in the city. And we'd 338 00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:33,839 be like, what the hell, yeah, because it was just a really 339 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,160 weird It was a weird time for us because we just thought okay, it's 340 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,880 and I think a lot of it had to do with one that they wanted 341 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:47,799 to ignore conservatism because conservatives were you know, oh my god, conservatives now. 342 00:22:48,279 --> 00:22:51,440 And two we're conservative women, you know, And I don't think they 343 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:55,599 just knew what to do with us. The conservative women thing. I think 344 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,480 conservative women as a whole have always just been sort of pushed to the side, 345 00:22:59,839 --> 00:23:02,319 and so that maybe that was part of it. But we were we 346 00:23:02,319 --> 00:23:04,519 were surrounded by dudes. I think if it were dudes, they would have 347 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,759 elevated the dudes. I hate to pull the sexist card, but I mean, 348 00:23:07,759 --> 00:23:10,799 I think that was part of it. They just don't know what to 349 00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:14,960 do with conservative women that have opinions, as evidenced by the two guys we've 350 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,480 put in jail, you know, because we've put we've put dudes in prison, 351 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,559 you know, because and that has not happened to our male counterparts. 352 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:26,599 It didn't happen to our male counterparts on the radio, at least they didn't 353 00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:30,559 have those issues we had. You know, there was a local guy that 354 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:34,000 we put in prison who stalked us and then well and unfortunately he didn't go 355 00:23:34,039 --> 00:23:38,720 to prison, he was arrested. But like and we had a restraining order, 356 00:23:38,759 --> 00:23:41,039 but he was a mental health case and so they just were like, 357 00:23:41,079 --> 00:23:45,279 here's all this medicine. That's true. We had I feel free to threaten 358 00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:48,400 people. That's a good point. We had restraining orders against him, which 359 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,119 is a piece of paper, and so it just basically means like until he 360 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,200 tries to kill you, you can't do anything. So that was fun for 361 00:23:55,319 --> 00:23:57,319 us. And he was local and he was like an ex football player that 362 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,640 I was huge, and so he was, and he had a stalking history. 363 00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:04,319 He stopped Monica sell Us. I mean, the guy was like, 364 00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:08,680 so we were in great company. So there's that. And then the other 365 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:14,039 guy was a guy that was in Texas and they had to before you were 366 00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:17,000 there, before I was here, and so that was you know, but 367 00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,559 he actually went to prison. We actually put yeah, he went for three 368 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,559 years. And so this is the thing. So women, you know, 369 00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:26,200 it's different for women that it is for men, at least in this industry. 370 00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:30,319 And you know, that's why we get a little briskly when people are 371 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,039 like, I listen, I totally agree with everything you say, but I 372 00:24:33,079 --> 00:24:34,240 just don't want to like say it out loud. And it's like, I 373 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:38,000 mean, we get it, but we totally get We put ourselves out there 374 00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:41,319 too, and we've done it to the to the extent that people have you 375 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,880 know, stopped us and wanted to kill us. And so we understand. 376 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,359 And we're not even that popular. So I can only imagine, like the 377 00:24:48,599 --> 00:24:52,680 I can only imagine the death threats that say, like a Tommy Laren or 378 00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:56,000 a you know, a Dana Lash or somebody like that. Well, Dana 379 00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:57,680 had to move, like she had to like move to a whole other house. 380 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:02,240 I mean, people are insane. And what we've learned, unfortunately, 381 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,599 is that a lot of the insanity comes from the right conservative It's not just 382 00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:08,960 liberals who want to kill you and who issue the death threats. It is 383 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,920 conservatives who just get mad at you for whatever reason, whether you're not paying 384 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:17,839 enough attention to them or whatever they are side. That's true. Yeah, 385 00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:22,599 Mac is right. It's not just the liberals. It's the conservatives who got 386 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,359 They get pissed off, they get really really mad. So that's another thing 387 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:27,160 that we like a whole breed of people. Yeah, that's a whole other 388 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:32,440 thing that we've learned. Yeah, and then you know another thing is I 389 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,400 think one of the things too that I've I've learned over the years, just 390 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,200 kind of going back to interviews and stuff like that, is everybody thinks that 391 00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:41,519 Fox is the end all be y'all. I just I don't know. I 392 00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:47,480 think the two people that I really liked at Fox were Rachel what's her last 393 00:25:47,559 --> 00:25:52,160 name? Campo stuff. Yes, I really liked her. She was darling. 394 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:55,559 She was so sweet to us, very very nice to us. She's 395 00:25:55,599 --> 00:26:00,240 probably like the She and Anslie were probably the nicest to us. I don't 396 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,279 know if Rachel would share our stuff if we ever interviewed her. I don't 397 00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:06,960 think anybody at Fox has ever has anybody at Fox ever shared our stuff as 398 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:10,880 anybody at Fox? Brian kill me kill he's been very nice about sharing, 399 00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,200 that's true, Brian kill Me. Yeah, Yeah, you're right. He's 400 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,000 probably been like the one person and he had us on his radio show, 401 00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:21,799 like when we were doing our book tour things that she was very bad. 402 00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:23,640 That's right. Brian kill Meat is a stand up dude, that's right. 403 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:27,240 But but Fox, it's so interesting. Everybody thinks Fox is sort of like 404 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:30,279 the end all be all, But I don't, you know, I don't 405 00:26:30,319 --> 00:26:33,240 know if I if I believe that anymore. Like it's over the past fifteen 406 00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:37,559 years, we've seen it sort of become like the you know, the the 407 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,119 Holy Grill, like everybody wants to get on Fox. And I don't think 408 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,440 it's that anymore. I think that if if I were, I don't. 409 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,240 I just it's not like you and I don't really care about that. It's 410 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,839 like we don't really care about, oh my god, we have to be 411 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,160 on Fox. I think maybe if you would have asked us that, you 412 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,039 know, twelve thirteen years ago, even be like, oh, that's really 413 00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:56,680 cool to get on Fox. Now we're kind of like now we just rather 414 00:26:56,759 --> 00:26:59,039 podcast things. Well, because it's a lot of work. I mean, 415 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:03,680 all the makeup been like it's just a it's TV is exhausting and I cannot 416 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,279 and in awe of the people who do that as a full time job day 417 00:27:07,319 --> 00:27:12,000 and I could never especially like we did. We did a couple of well, 418 00:27:12,039 --> 00:27:15,359 we did a couple of hits when we did our book tour, and 419 00:27:15,559 --> 00:27:19,799 the CNN makeup people were awful, yeah, terrible, And and Coulter and 420 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:23,119 tell the story about and Coulter, and then we can like, well, 421 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,359 I mean she just you know, she was on there was a guy who 422 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,119 retired from radio's name is Greg Garrison, and we were on his show as 423 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,759 part of his show like once a week, and it was like his woman 424 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,720 day of the week, so he had all kinds of female guests on one 425 00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,640 day of the week, and a culture was usually right before us, and 426 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,559 so you know, he would always he would always, she would definitely hear 427 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,480 that we like existed in the world, right right. And so we happened 428 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,720 to be at CNN at the same on the same evening we were both going 429 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:57,920 to be interviewing with Don Lemon. We arrived into this teeny tiny, itsy 430 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,759 bitsy green who was like a half the size of my dining room, literally 431 00:28:03,759 --> 00:28:07,079 a half bath. Yeah, And we walk in and she is sitting there 432 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,799 along with another woman whose name I'll never remember, but like familiar, right, 433 00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:15,039 like some other TV sort of person, And they were sitting together on 434 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:18,039 one couch, and then there was a couch across the coffee table from them. 435 00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:22,079 Again like we're knee and knee almost right, you would think when you 436 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:26,640 open the door and then two people who are sitting there talking, clearly it's 437 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,599 a teeny room. When that door opens, you at least look up and 438 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,759 sort of just acknowledge the fact that two humans are entering the same tiny room. 439 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,319 They did not even break their conversation for a second, Like they did 440 00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:45,119 not acknowledge us in any way. So it was super weird and uncomfortable. 441 00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:49,480 We sit across the table from them and we're literally just staring at them, 442 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,400 like willing them to pay attention to us in somewhere, something else you can 443 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,039 do in that tiny little room. I mean, it's like we couldn't help 444 00:28:56,039 --> 00:29:00,720 it was so weird, and so it's at one point it became so weird 445 00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:04,400 that like you and I just started openly talking about how weird it was, 446 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,160 and they kept just talking louder to each other, just making we're making fun 447 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,440 of them. In real time. We were just like, we're basically saying 448 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:15,319 to each other, this is so freaking weird, Like what in the hell 449 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,960 is going on? We're saying we're basically saying that to each other, and 450 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:22,119 then we're text I was waiting for Ashton Kusher. I was like, are 451 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,240 we Like what has happened? What's going on? Like we're saying that in 452 00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:26,720 real time to each other, and then we're like texting our husband's going, 453 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:30,640 what the hell is going on? Like this is so odd. We're getting 454 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,400 ready to go on with Don Lehman. This is like, I don't We're 455 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:37,480 gonna like we're being pumped. What is happening. It was the craziest thing. 456 00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:41,079 And then she ends up. She was before us, right, and 457 00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:44,480 so like we go. We're then in the makeup room and she's on with 458 00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:48,240 Don Leman and we're in the makeup room. You went to the bathroom for 459 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:49,599 a second. I had to get I'm in the makeup room. I don't 460 00:29:49,599 --> 00:29:52,640 even think I pete. I just needed to get the hell out of that 461 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:56,240 room. Yeah. So I'm I'm waiting for our thaying you're in the bathroom, 462 00:29:56,279 --> 00:30:00,319 and and Culture's hit gets done. So she comes back into get like 463 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:04,240 make up off, and finally it was just she still didn't acknowledge me. 464 00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:07,720 But I finally said, hey, Greg Garrison, who's the guy that we 465 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,440 were on the radio show with together? I said, Greg, Greg says 466 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:15,920 hi, And then all of a sudden, she lights up and like she 467 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:22,079 recognizes that I too, am a human being and so and so she's like, 468 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:26,160 oh my god, oh my god, Greg that and then and then 469 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:30,000 we had like sort of this civil conversation, but I'll just never look at 470 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,400 her the same way, like I'll never I just was like, you are 471 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,039 not all that, Like I am not just a speck of dirt on the 472 00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:41,680 floor. You can recognize that you're amongst another human being. It was awful. 473 00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:45,799 Yeah, Like that was just because you had to mention Greg Garrison's name 474 00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:48,960 for her to be like, that's the only way you're not an alien from 475 00:30:48,079 --> 00:30:52,880 planet Gleieborg. Okay. Yeah, it was just like we know somebody in 476 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,519 cold, so oh my gosh, I guess I better be nice. I 477 00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:57,799 need to say hi to you now so I don't look like a complete hag. 478 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:02,200 Yeah, it was just it was just horrific. That was That was 479 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,240 awful, that whole situation, and then the makeup people were terrible and just 480 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,519 yeah, everything that the book tour was very eye eye opening for us because 481 00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:15,039 you got to learn, like who was awful in the I mean CNN was 482 00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,160 awful, the Fox people, I mean, Don Lamon was actually very nice. 483 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,240 He was then, but there's no way I'd want to go on his 484 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:22,440 show now if he still had a show, Oh my god, he would 485 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:25,200 be horrific because he changed over the years, but at that time he was 486 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,200 okay, and he plus he had a cold that night. I think his 487 00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:30,480 guard was down, you know what I mean. It was just the whole 488 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,519 thing. And makeup people were just terrible to us. They were just terrible 489 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,279 Fox people. If you ever want to get makeup done professionally, go get 490 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,799 your your makeup done by Fox people, because they just make you look like 491 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:44,119 a million bucks for real. You guys, they were in your hair. 492 00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:47,799 I mean they're nice, they're super nice people. Yeah, so there's that. 493 00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:51,400 There's an insight here anyway. So that's that's some scoop. I mean, 494 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,599 I don't that's that's some scoop. That's some scoop on Like we could 495 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:59,079 have like a whole other show about people that we are no longer on particularly 496 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,359 good terms. And you've probably heard some of the names or you've just recognized 497 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,759 that by omission, Yeah, we don't like to talk about them, and 498 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,599 so maybe someday we'll do a show about this. We can make Yeah, 499 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,480 we'll think about doing that because I mean you could Yeah, like you said, 500 00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:15,920 you can probably already tell just because we don't talk about them and they 501 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:20,000 don't talk about us. Yeah, it's fine, it's right. We'll probably 502 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,880 gets to the point like when we're in about five years and we just give 503 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,960 no f's and we'll just start we'll just start going like full Elmo scorched Earth, 504 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:30,160 and we just won't care anymore. We'll just start naming names. Yeah. 505 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,119 Yeah, anyways, you guys, that's it. 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