1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:06,919 Hello, and welcome to side Quest. This is our weekly video game show 2 00:00:06,919 --> 00:00:09,160 here at Geek. First, I'm your host Till Muss, and I have 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:13,000 with me the clown Prince of Giants, Travis Snell. How are you doing, 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,760 my friend? Hello, No, I'm doing good. It's a nice 5 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,519 Monday. It's well, it's somewhat sunny here. Now it was rainy, 6 00:00:20,559 --> 00:00:22,320 but now it's sunny. It's gonna be all over this week. But I 7 00:00:22,359 --> 00:00:24,839 am. I'm doing well. It's fun. We were talking about Smmer Games 8 00:00:24,839 --> 00:00:28,399 Fest is coming up. Yeah, we got stars actlyte for the GV side, 9 00:00:28,399 --> 00:00:30,640 so there's a lot of fun things come up in June. We kept 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,640 talking about June, and now it's here. Does not feel like it's June. 11 00:00:33,719 --> 00:00:36,560 Like I'm still in May mode. But now it's here, it's like, 12 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:39,840 oh yeah, we got lots of fun stuff coming up for video games 13 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,799 and TV shows. More it's more video game TV show this month. So 14 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:47,439 yeah, no, I'm very excited for this month. Today's episode, we're 15 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,439 talking about hell Blade and the state of play from last week. But yeah, 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,799 it's good to kind of look forward a little bit. This weekend is 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,200 all the Summer Game Fest to kickoff and all the Xbox Event and all these 18 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,479 things. I'm a little saltic. I feel like the last few years he's 19 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:06,079 done it on a Thursday, Keeley, and that was kind of what I 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,239 always had in my mind, and so going in out put it on the 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,760 coverage of it Thursday night. But I'm going camping this weekend. It's on 22 00:01:11,799 --> 00:01:15,200 Friday this year, so we're not gonna cover it until the side quest afterwards. 23 00:01:15,239 --> 00:01:18,680 We're gonna be a little late, but that way we can kind of 24 00:01:18,719 --> 00:01:21,840 gather everything together. Potentially we'll see. We don't even know how we gonna 25 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,959 do it, because I was just looking at the calendar on his website and 26 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:30,159 he's got June seventh the Kickoff event and Day of the Devs some other random 27 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,079 thing, and then there's June eighth, there's the Future of Play and the 28 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,120 Wholesome Direct and a couple other smaller directs in the Future Games Show, and 29 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,000 then on the ninth is the Xbox Event and the PC Game Show, and 30 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,239 then on the tenth is You Saw Forward. So it's just like a barrage 31 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:46,920 of stuff. And I don't know. I don't think Nintendo has announced when 32 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,640 their thing is yet. They said they're doing one this summer, but they 33 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:53,079 have been kind of doing it a bit later than other people recently from what 34 00:01:53,079 --> 00:01:57,040 I can remember in the summer one, so it seems a PlayStation goes early, 35 00:01:57,319 --> 00:02:00,640 Nintendo goes usually like a week or two after, and then and Keeley 36 00:02:00,719 --> 00:02:02,799 and everybody else is still in that E three weekends. So E three's dead, 37 00:02:02,799 --> 00:02:07,000 but people are still kind of keeping that spirit somewhat alive. So yeah, 38 00:02:07,039 --> 00:02:10,159 so we'll probably I'm guessing we'll probably kind of split and have two episodes 39 00:02:10,159 --> 00:02:14,800 like an Xbox focused on and then summer gamefests and other things, and then 40 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,199 if youself's a bit later, then we might even conck back to the week 41 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,759 after. We'll see, we'll see how it goes. But just have anything, 42 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,639 right, like if it's just like an Assassin's screen trailer, well we 43 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,199 can just have Taylor talk about that quickly, Like if it's because sometimes some 44 00:02:27,199 --> 00:02:30,520 some you know, some conferences don't have much to talk about, you know, 45 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,560 they can make it a bat deal, but it doesn't mean there's gonna 46 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:37,520 be something. So yeah, So so more of the story is subscribe to 47 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,879 the feeds to keep up to date when we because we're gonna drop that as 48 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:44,680 soon as it's done recording, rather than waiting to the side quest Tuesday and 49 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:46,719 stuff. I'll put it up as soon as possible, so stay tuned for 50 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,639 that. And then, as Travis alluded to, this is the month of 51 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,080 TV shows. House Dragons is kicking off. One are the other ones. 52 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,319 There's a Star Wars Acolyte, and then what's the third thing, the Boy 53 00:02:57,719 --> 00:03:00,719 the Boys. Yeah, so all all sorts of TV shows this month. 54 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:06,639 You can check out my games on Steam, Potion Problem during the discord, 55 00:03:06,719 --> 00:03:09,319 and any other shout outs. Traps were doing the retro of Alien right now, 56 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,000 so that's a good thing on the on the Patreon. I think that's 57 00:03:13,039 --> 00:03:15,960 about it. Yeah, I think you'll get your regulars. I think just 58 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:19,479 with our schedules, I don't think there's gonna be an after nine in June, 59 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,360 but we'll probably do one in July and August, and maybe in the 60 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,560 fall when thing's quiet down it we'll do a makeup and do like a two 61 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,360 in one month. It's just tough with like everybody's either traveling or time all 62 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,439 for families in town stuff, so we will try to do that relatively so, 63 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,719 but no, I think that's that's the biggest stuff happening on the feeds 64 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,159 right now. So mm hmm. Okay, So with that, how wout 65 00:03:38,199 --> 00:03:43,360 we jump right into the latest State of Play, which I think was announced 66 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,639 like even just a couple of days before it drops, so I don't know, 67 00:03:46,639 --> 00:03:49,599 I guess not a whole lot of lead up to it. And I 68 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:53,599 feel like, even going into PlayStation four this year, they said that like, 69 00:03:53,599 --> 00:03:54,719 oh yeah, we're gonna have any first party games coming out for the 70 00:03:54,759 --> 00:03:57,199 rest of the year, So I feel like, to me, I was 71 00:03:57,199 --> 00:03:59,599 like, I would not have even been shocked if they didn't have a State 72 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:01,800 of Play all in the classic summer slot. So it's cool that they did 73 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:08,319 have one. What was your overall take on this State of Play? See, 74 00:04:08,319 --> 00:04:11,479 I'll go the reverse where like, I guess it's cool to have one, 75 00:04:11,639 --> 00:04:14,840 but I don't think so. I think I'm in the foggy realm where 76 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,040 there's a couple like two years ago, they didn't go to Comic Con. 77 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:19,399 Then they finally came back and said, we never want to come here if 78 00:04:19,399 --> 00:04:23,040 we don't have anything to show. And that's a little bit different because it's 79 00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:25,079 a show. They pay for it, a stage. This is just an 80 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,879 easy forty minute video you livestream, right, so it's not that big a 81 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,319 deal, but I think it's still like about perception. I think the perception 82 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,319 was it just felt because it's strange. There's this narrative I feel about more 83 00:04:36,519 --> 00:04:41,199 Xbox but just Xbox and PlayStation that man, gaming is really bad right now. 84 00:04:41,199 --> 00:04:44,519 It's really down and they're really not bringing home and you look at what 85 00:04:44,879 --> 00:04:47,560 plays like PS five is selling. It's still selling very well. There's still 86 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,920 the facidly it's the most profitable console they've ever made. Just on an article 87 00:04:50,959 --> 00:04:55,240 of today, there's still this statute of like how many people are just actually 88 00:04:55,519 --> 00:04:58,399 playing and buying stuff on their PS four, Like it doesn't matter if we're 89 00:04:58,519 --> 00:05:01,120 move past it's like so it's I don't think that narrative is a true thing, 90 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:04,560 but it does feed into that of like, man, we really we 91 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,040 talked about a couple of weeks ago, right those State of Plays or whatever 92 00:05:08,079 --> 00:05:11,480 showcase, think about E three three four years ago, and then to this 93 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,759 it's like the fact an Astra boy looks really cool, but the fact that 94 00:05:14,759 --> 00:05:17,759 that's the only hot astrobot so only sorry, I don't know if he's a 95 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:21,519 boy. So we'll find that out. But if the fact usually that would 96 00:05:21,519 --> 00:05:25,079 be like oh, the fifth or sixth thing of like that looks really cool 97 00:05:25,079 --> 00:05:27,279 in a sony state of play. The fact that that's number one to me 98 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:30,079 shows Okay, I don't think it's the drastic part quote. You know, 99 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:34,040 they no one asked if they should before they could, you know, and 100 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,600 I don't think they. I think they should have just had austrabout bought at 101 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:43,360 Summer's Games best have really cool short like everything they showed was a port was 102 00:05:43,399 --> 00:05:46,399 a remake, and I think there's a couple other ones that everyone was down 103 00:05:46,439 --> 00:05:49,759 on. Concord to me was not they misfired with that big time, not 104 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:54,439 because it's not my genre. Just I was happy that a bunch of other 105 00:05:54,439 --> 00:05:57,240 people felt like me, that they got hooped and thinking it was a single 106 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,000 player story game, and then when it transitioned out as like, oh, 107 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:01,480 oh my goodness, because I hadn't looked at that. So I actually don't 108 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,319 think they should have done it. I think they just should have went with 109 00:06:03,319 --> 00:06:06,199 Summer Games fast and been like, hey, we're gonna sit and wait. 110 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,439 So then when you get that stay of play, a showcase whatever, and 111 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,920 it comes in, it's hot all around than good. But really I just 112 00:06:13,959 --> 00:06:16,439 think it was a bad showing overall, and I think it just made people 113 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,439 just kind of more disappointed with what's going on with PlayStation right now, and 114 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:26,360 it's and Xbox has enough disappointment to layoffs. So just feels like in general, 115 00:06:26,399 --> 00:06:29,480 it's just like a just kind of down and people are really hoping, 116 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:31,160 Okay, Nintendo, let's let's see if we get something good. We talk 117 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,240 about all air, even some Keeley's like well just kind of an eight and 118 00:06:34,399 --> 00:06:36,800 ten conference, which is cool, but still it's just like, so, 119 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,319 yeah, I don't think they I don't think it was good showing and it 120 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:43,040 was easily their worse when I don't think it's bad per se, but I 121 00:06:43,079 --> 00:06:46,439 think just when it's that little of content you have to show, I think 122 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,040 you just skip it and you sprinkle it elsewhere and then you you wait till 123 00:06:49,079 --> 00:06:53,800 you can have those big nachos out there, you know, big nachos. 124 00:06:53,879 --> 00:06:59,600 Yeah. Yeah. I think with PlayStation, like they still have the different 125 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:04,160 market being I guess importance between like a state of play and their showcases. 126 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:06,680 I think they just called them the showcases, right, and that's usually what 127 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:11,480 they do in June. So I think it was purposeful that instead of doing 128 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,639 the PlayStation showcase, which obviously wouldn't have made sense if they didn't have tons 129 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:17,519 of first party things to show. I think it's it's notable that they did 130 00:07:17,519 --> 00:07:23,040 a state of play here instead of that showcase. And I so I did. 131 00:07:23,079 --> 00:07:26,720 I didn't have a chance to watch this one live because I was out 132 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,920 at a doctor's appointment when it was happening, and so I just saw the 133 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:32,920 chat in the discord and you and being very negative on it, others like 134 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:36,959 not sometimes yeah, yeah, sometimes I feel like I'm a negative Nancy. 135 00:07:36,959 --> 00:07:42,079 But everyone felt like this was like a whiff, you know, yeah, 136 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:45,800 And I mean I don't like I use Twitter just to promote my game, 137 00:07:45,839 --> 00:07:48,160 That's my sole use for it. So I don't see a lot of people's 138 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:51,439 opinions on these things until like afterwards, and I'm listening to their podcasts and 139 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,279 whatnot. And so I think going into watching it, I had a very 140 00:07:55,279 --> 00:08:00,000 low expectation, seeing this is garbage showcase, nothing here, and I thought 141 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,120 it was fantastic. I thought this was a great showcase that had tons of 142 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:05,319 cool games that I hadn't heard of before. So I feel like their announcements 143 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:09,680 or just reminders. Everything had good showings, like tons of gameplay for all 144 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,839 these things. You know, Concord took a while to get to the actual 145 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:16,160 gameplay, but then they did show a lot of it. There was a 146 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,680 couple of good surprises in there, and honestly, for the first time in 147 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,319 a while, I was like, I would I had a PS five for 148 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,439 a couple of these games. Like usually I'm like, you know what, 149 00:08:24,519 --> 00:08:28,480 I'll wait until Wolverine, I'll wait until Death Stranding two at this point, 150 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,480 but it's like, man, I really want Astrobot Day one and a couple 151 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:35,039 of the other games I would really love to play as well if they were 152 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,120 maybe on like PlayStation Plus to some extent or or whatnot. But I feel 153 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:43,519 like they also had a really good mix of genres that they were hitting here. 154 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:45,919 I mean, it's of course a lot of like third person action games, 155 00:08:45,919 --> 00:08:50,600 but different like subgenres within that to hit different audiences. So yeah, 156 00:08:50,639 --> 00:08:52,639 I guess I'm I'm I'm surprised to hear that. That's kind of the general 157 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,759 opinion from a lot of people is that this was not a good showcase because 158 00:08:56,799 --> 00:09:01,639 just looking at some of these games ballot event. Tara was an interesting announcement. 159 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,200 Infinity Nikki, you know that has an audience, New Dynasty Warriors game 160 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:09,320 Behemoth where wins meet and then you know we're gonna get all these of course, 161 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,080 but like that stuff as just like kind of interesting new different games. 162 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,960 I didn't know before Concord they said they I was last year. I totally 163 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:18,840 forgot that that was a thing, but maybe they didn't show anything of it. 164 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,960 So I thought that had a good showing and then yeah, like Astrobot, 165 00:09:22,919 --> 00:09:26,000 it just looks freaking amazing, like what if what if Nintendo was actually 166 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,799 like an next gen or a current gen console, like this is what Mario 167 00:09:28,879 --> 00:09:31,679 would look like. So I just thought it looked like tons of fun. 168 00:09:31,759 --> 00:09:35,080 So yeah, I think I think this is a really really great showcase and 169 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,399 it got me excited about PlayStation, which yeah, does not happen a whole 170 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,720 lot in recent times. For me. I was looking because we usually do 171 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,000 this live or closer too, because you're asked about like the Twitter reactions, 172 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:48,399 looking at Jeff Keeley's poll whenever he does those how would you grate X, 173 00:09:48,519 --> 00:09:52,960 Y and Z. So it was pretty much one thousand and fifteen or one 174 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:58,080 hundred and fifteen thousand votes, forty one percent on the D or below, 175 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,960 thirty three percent on C, nineteen percent on B, and then five percent 176 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,360 on A. So I don't know. Also if it's just that I do 177 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,600 legitimately think that Concord was a bad way to start, and I think that 178 00:10:09,639 --> 00:10:11,480 put a lot of bad people's taste because I felt like people were getting excited, 179 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:16,000 right, oh, this is PlayStation's next big thing and when and it's 180 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,000 just it's not even that because I feel like even the people that like that 181 00:10:18,159 --> 00:10:22,000 genre, is you do really you really have to stand out now because it's 182 00:10:22,159 --> 00:10:26,039 there's so much of this type of game, right. So and maybe it's 183 00:10:26,039 --> 00:10:30,559 also just I think it is a little bit for those people like us and 184 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,240 other people that and I think Twitter users as well, but tons of people 185 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:35,600 that fall in okay, it's a bit more of a lighter year. If 186 00:10:35,639 --> 00:10:39,480 you don't know that and you're more than a semi casual fan and you know 187 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,840 E three and know this, but you don't know, oh, hey, 188 00:10:41,879 --> 00:10:43,759 it's you're not getting some big exclusives for a while. Maybe they're thinking, 189 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:48,000 oh, this could be that time, and not everybody knows the difference between 190 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:50,279 a state of play and showcase, because I know there's differences, but I 191 00:10:50,279 --> 00:10:52,480 always forget like which one is which, So I think it's just maybe that 192 00:10:52,639 --> 00:10:56,559 as well too. It's just they've been quiet for a while, and maybe 193 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,440 if there was this other if I wonder if there's one other big game along 194 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,399 with Astro bought, if that would have been like either a Death Stranding or 195 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,519 a Metal Gear, which the rumors it's delayed until next year because they kept 196 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,919 kind of saying it's this year, and I don't think anyone bought that. 197 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,240 But maybe they had one more big one too that could have helped. But 198 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:16,600 I think I think those remakes really hurt it, like Until Dawn and Silent 199 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,120 Hill. It's just I think especially when Silent Hill, like people just think 200 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:22,240 it generally doesn't look good, and that's not good when you have like Evil 201 00:11:22,279 --> 00:11:28,440 Dead or sorry Resident Evil that has just killed these remakes and really brought it 202 00:11:28,519 --> 00:11:31,480 back where I feel like you look at Silent Hill, it's just it's looking 203 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:33,679 a little rough. So I think the amount of re and like, even 204 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,559 though it's not a remake, just announcing a God of warport to PC, 205 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,279 it's like that's good, but that's something again, I'd like, go put 206 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:43,120 them the gaming the PC Gaming show, Like I don't. I don't think 207 00:11:43,159 --> 00:11:46,639 the core audience for PS five or PlayStation care that God of War is going 208 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,440 to PC because it's like I have it already, you know, like that's 209 00:11:50,639 --> 00:11:54,159 a different audience. That's where the gaming should be perfect, that's the PC 210 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:56,720 gaming audience. Yeah, that either leaked door was already announced to it and 211 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,600 this is just kind of the showing of it. So I can see why. 212 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,679 I mean, I understand why they put it in something like this because 213 00:12:03,879 --> 00:12:07,240 they have to announce it, you know, these shareholders, I'm sure and 214 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:09,000 things like that. But yeah, it's got it. It's got to be 215 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:13,039 somewhere, I guess. But yeah, I'm curious because I don't know what 216 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,639 Sony tweeted or what their blog post. I didn't see their blog post when 217 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:18,000 they announced this state of play. And usually that's where they will say like, 218 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,639 oh, there's no first party games going to be at this, or 219 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:24,559 hey, this is like a very big focus on like VR, like they'll 220 00:12:24,639 --> 00:12:28,480 usually set the expectation a little bit. So I don't know what they said 221 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,759 for this, but it's like, I don't know if people know that Okay, 222 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:35,799 there's no PlayStation like first party games coming out this year, so we're 223 00:12:35,799 --> 00:12:39,879 not expecting first party studios to show up. And it's like, we comere, 224 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:41,639 What comere? Could you ask for? Like, these games look amazing. 225 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,919 They showed a ton of gameplay a different kind of genre, so I 226 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:50,639 am surprised to see that reaction. But let's let's talk about the games. 227 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:56,559 Let's talk about the specific things here. So first up was Concord. As 228 00:12:56,559 --> 00:13:00,320 you mentioned, this is a game that is pretty much an over Watch, 229 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,240 like with the very Guardians of the Galaxy type of personality, character, charm, 230 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,759 whatever you want to say to it. Yeah, started with like a 231 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:15,840 really just high quality CGI cutscene introducing the characters and showing their kind of tom 232 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:20,679 foolery, setting up the kind of different factions I suppose, and then eventually 233 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,200 we do see the actual gameplay and see that it is overwatched, Like they 234 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,440 never say that, and instead they actually said, oh, we were inspired 235 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,639 by fighting games and strategy games, which I found interesting for the wording, 236 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:35,600 like you know, you don't have to hide that this is like an Overwatch, 237 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:39,879 this is inspired by Overwatch or something, So I found that interesting. 238 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:43,639 But yeah, other than the I guess element that you're was hoping this is 239 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,159 maybe more of a single player thing, Like, what did you think of 240 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:48,080 the actual gameplay that we saw for this? Is this something you would check 241 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:52,240 it off as a free to play game on PS five? No, just 242 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,200 because it's not my genre. So for me, I have to go from 243 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,360 what do people that like that type of genre think? And I just felt 244 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,840 the reception was pretty lukewarm to it, but there wasn't anything Because to me, 245 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:05,440 if I was gonna play one of them, i'd be and dropping into 246 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,320 Marvel Rivals. I'd maybe finally do Overwatch because Okay, I've heard X, 247 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,360 Y and Z about it, but for me, it's it's just not a 248 00:14:11,399 --> 00:14:16,000 genre I'm really that interested in. And then this didn't get me aboard anymore 249 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,080 and be like, oh this is really cool. This is really cool. 250 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:20,960 So I don't know, it's tough. I guess what I can say from 251 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,000 the outside point of view, it didn't look like it had anything that stood 252 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,159 out. I think that's kind of the that's the tough thing. I didn't 253 00:14:26,159 --> 00:14:30,120 see, Oh I don't like this game, but it's doing this, so 254 00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:33,320 that's really cool. They're the things that they're doing are the things I agree 255 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,120 with other people that are like you're gonna get weekly cut scenes and this and 256 00:14:35,159 --> 00:14:39,360 that. It's like, man, you're that's gonna cost so much money. 257 00:14:39,399 --> 00:14:43,000 We just everything we've talked about with these games that are doing these things that 258 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,519 they do do so much before being a big hit. It's like, you, 259 00:14:46,519 --> 00:14:50,639 you should not be making a game that's dependent on this game has to 260 00:14:50,679 --> 00:14:54,000 be doing really really well. Make that later on. So that's where it's 261 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,919 like. The things that I heard that it's doing differently are things that I 262 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,320 go, oh, that's not gonna work. And again, I don't know 263 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:03,399 what I don't think audience cares that much about is the Overwatch crowd. Those 264 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:05,080 type of shoes are they needing like a weekly cut scene? Story was like, 265 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,159 I feel like those are different people. I mean, so Overwatching, 266 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:11,559 you know, being a Blizzard game, like Blizzard goes all out with crazy 267 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:16,559 CG cut scenes, and there are a lot of great ones in Overwatching. 268 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,679 I don't even know if they're just like on YouTube or on their website or 269 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,840 if they're in game. I've seen a lot of them, but I can't 270 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:24,759 even remember where I've seen them before. But it wouldn't be like this where 271 00:15:24,759 --> 00:15:26,919 it's like, oh, yeah, every week, I'm gonna log in and 272 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,320 oh it's Monday. Cool, I get new cut scene today. Like I 273 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:33,759 don't think anyone has that perspective of it. But the Overwatch cutscenes and like 274 00:15:33,879 --> 00:15:35,840 character stuff that they have done, it's really freaking cool. And so I 275 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:41,200 think it's interesting that they as as well as like kind of stealing that gameplay 276 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,840 style in that format, to take on the story element to it is an 277 00:15:45,879 --> 00:15:50,320 interesting idea and like, if it works well, it actually could be interesting. 278 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,000 But that's not really what grabbed me about this. Yeah, and I 279 00:15:54,039 --> 00:15:56,440 think you're right that that is something that could be very expensive for them to 280 00:15:56,919 --> 00:16:00,519 keep producing that. Like I'm sure they're gonna have like the first few months 281 00:16:00,799 --> 00:16:04,080 kind of all in the bank before the game even launches, but then to 282 00:16:04,159 --> 00:16:07,120 keep making that stuff, it just seems like a bit of a money pit. 283 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,399 So I don't know how long they're gonna do that. Maybe they'll eventually 284 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:14,960 kick it down to like a monthly character update or whenever a new character comes 285 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,240 into the game, they'll get a new cut scenes to them, Like maybe 286 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,639 that's the way to do it, but yeah, we'll see how that goes. 287 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,080 And I guess for me and where I thought this looked fun, I'd 288 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:26,759 like to play it is that. Yeah, like Overwatch, I had a 289 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:27,759 great time with it back in the day, but it's changed a lot. 290 00:16:27,799 --> 00:16:32,279 I don't really like where the game is at these days, and so I 291 00:16:32,279 --> 00:16:34,720 don't really have any interest in playing anymore. But I still like that kind 292 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,840 of gameplay, and it was really fun playing it with friends. And I 293 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:42,159 like Gardens Galaxy, so like have a game that's kind of like taking that. 294 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,480 I thought the characters looked cool. I got a game for you to 295 00:16:45,039 --> 00:16:49,039 try, Dylan. Yeah, I like the voice acting. I like the 296 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,600 character designs. I think they seem interesting and cool, and you know, 297 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:56,159 you got to come up with crazy clever ideas for them, and I think 298 00:16:56,159 --> 00:16:59,360 they did a good job of that. And like one of them is like 299 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:02,559 a huge robot, and they even showed like his perspective and he was looking 300 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,240 down at some character who's like look tiny compared to him, Like it'll just 301 00:17:04,279 --> 00:17:07,119 be like this huge beast character that you can play. I think that seems 302 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,200 really interesting. So and then you had just the gameplay, Like I thought 303 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:15,119 the maps looked really really great, Like they looked really lived in in very 304 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,119 cool alien settings. I thought the gameplay, like the animations look really really 305 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:22,920 solid of like reloading or dodging and all these kinds of things. So yeah, 306 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,480 I don't know. I mean, I think this is a game that 307 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,440 I could easily see failing, just because there are so many competitors to it. 308 00:17:30,519 --> 00:17:33,400 Overwatch is still pretty big, Valorie is a big game. There's been 309 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:38,000 tons of rumors recently of Valve is about to release a game very similar to 310 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,519 this as well. That one's gonna be maybe a bit more like Smite than 311 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,480 Overwatch, but still like in that kind of thing. It's called Deadlock, 312 00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:48,000 and that game is gonna be huge no matter what, at least for a 313 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:52,359 while, because Valve and Steam are just so huge, way bigger than this. 314 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,279 So I think if this comes out, if Deadlock does come out soon, 315 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:00,519 and this comes out beta in July, launch in August, if Deadlock 316 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:03,079 comes out around it, I think that'd be a really bad time for them, 317 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,440 and that would be kind of unfortunate. But yeah, I don't know. 318 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:08,400 I'll have to see what I would pick between the two, because I 319 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,799 haven't actually seen dead Lock yet there's no game play for it. But yeah, 320 00:18:11,839 --> 00:18:15,079 I think this is gonna be really hard one for it to take off 321 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,160 and be huge. But honestly, what I saw like was all good signs, 322 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:22,440 like the character arc, things like hey, maybe it's not getting you 323 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,000 in the door, but it's like, hey, if the gameplay is sold 324 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:27,559 and that's just like a cherry on top, then people are some people are 325 00:18:27,559 --> 00:18:32,079 gonna be into that. So I would like to play it, I do. 326 00:18:32,079 --> 00:18:33,359 Do you think this game is gonna be free to play with micro transactions 327 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:38,359 or is it gonna be a full price game because Overwatch is now free, 328 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,799 Valerie I believe is also free to play. Yeah, I'll say they kind 329 00:18:44,839 --> 00:18:47,720 of. I think you kind of have to be your kind of da unfortunately, 330 00:18:47,799 --> 00:18:52,000 so yeah, I think so too. So whenever I do get be 331 00:18:52,079 --> 00:18:53,680 As five, I will definitely jump in and check it out. But it's 332 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,839 not quite a console seller, but I don't know. I would. I 333 00:18:56,839 --> 00:19:00,720 would be happy to play this, So I'm curious to hear people's opinions on 334 00:19:00,759 --> 00:19:03,240 it when it comes out in beta. I was gonna say, isn't that 335 00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:07,519 Have they not brought that Guardians game to game Pass yet? Has that not 336 00:19:07,559 --> 00:19:11,559 been? It was and then it left. Okay, I was thinking about 337 00:19:11,599 --> 00:19:14,880 it like kind of before I saw that, oh it's gonna be gone in 338 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,240 a few weeks, and I thought about booting it up, and I guess 339 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:18,519 I was. I forget what came out that month, but I was busy 340 00:19:18,519 --> 00:19:22,960 playing something else unfortunately, so I'll get to it. H m hmmmm. 341 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:29,440 Okay. After that was the God of War Ragnrock thing coming to PC. 342 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,720 Cool way you know about that, and then then Dynasty war Warriors Origins, 343 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,559 which is I very much associated as like a PlayStation series. These have been 344 00:19:37,599 --> 00:19:41,160 all I remember going over my friend's house as a little kid and playing Dynasty 345 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:45,240 Warriors and were just watching him playing. It was just like the craziest game. 346 00:19:45,319 --> 00:19:48,400 I'd never seen so many enemies on screen at the same time. And 347 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,480 then honestly, anytime I've tried to play these games, I just hate the 348 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:55,000 gameplay. It is not for me. I picked up Hyro Warriors and then 349 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,119 Age of Calamity as well as the other is Elda one and I just I 350 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:00,319 just can't get into it, So it's not for me. But honestly, 351 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,920 seeing this on on the PS five where it's like, Wow, they can 352 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,920 render even more enemies than they could before, and like the frame rate actually 353 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,400 looks good. It looked pretty insane, and I know there's an audience for 354 00:20:10,599 --> 00:20:14,319 this kind of thing. Have you ever played a Dynasty Warriors game before traveling? 355 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,119 I think I'm in the same camp as you where I feel like I 356 00:20:17,519 --> 00:20:21,200 have a friend named Jeff that was really into like this and like Ninja guid 357 00:20:21,279 --> 00:20:22,920 In right, and I feel like it's on those where it's like you're over 358 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,480 at the friend's place and you're playing like you're having a good enough time. 359 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:30,720 It's just like I only play this at his house. It's not anything I 360 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:33,000 own, but I recall, like your story sounds of mind and even just 361 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,960 seeing him on this because I'm getting a refresher. He's riding the horse zone 362 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,160 point and he's hitting enemies. There's a bunch of red around him like that 363 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,240 like anime type. Feels like very familiar to this. So yeah, like 364 00:20:44,319 --> 00:20:45,839 I don't like I'd like to maybe get in my hands again, but nothing 365 00:20:45,839 --> 00:20:48,160 to that I'm reaching out to. But hey, I don't mind. I 366 00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,000 want I want a game like this, but I want to Lord of the 367 00:20:51,039 --> 00:20:52,519 Rings version. I want that would get me in because I used to love 368 00:20:52,559 --> 00:20:56,720 We've talked about this before doing the Waves. Yeah, it does look a 369 00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:59,960 lot like Conquest in terms of the gameplay of it, I would say, 370 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,480 but on the PS two games, when you could do Lord of the Rings 371 00:21:02,519 --> 00:21:04,000 two Towers or Return the King and you just do the Waves of Enemies, 372 00:21:04,079 --> 00:21:07,400 Yeah, I'd love to just be air Gorn. Yeah. I'm almost surprised 373 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,440 they haven't, because they've done a lot of crossovers. Now, I mentioned 374 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,039 the Zelda one. They had one for I think even two of them for 375 00:21:14,079 --> 00:21:17,000 fire Emblem. Now, I mean I was obviously there are more like Nintendo 376 00:21:17,079 --> 00:21:21,279 we things, But yeah, I wonder if there's other crossover ones out there 377 00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:22,960 that they've done. Yeah, just got talked to Embracer Group, you know, 378 00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:27,880 with those Rings video games coming up? True? Yeah yeah, also 379 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:32,880 random thought. But with Embracer Group being now the owner of the Lord of 380 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,400 the Rings IP and probably just selling it out to everyone to make any penny 381 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:40,359 they can, why why is Lord of the Rings not calmed to multiverses now 382 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,960 that Embracer Group is like, I really don't know owning that IP. It's 383 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,599 really frustrating, Like, I don't I don't even understand. How do we 384 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,519 get a thumb nail having air Gorn and Gandalf somewhere and then they've never been 385 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:55,319 in and it still doesn't happen. Maybe my like hope is that they're like 386 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,920 holding it for like the Battle of or hear them and they're gonna like tyme 387 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:02,200 it, like that's much money on that. Yeah, I hope is that 388 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:03,480 they're being smart, but I don't. I don't think that's the case. 389 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:07,200 Thing. There's just something funky going on with it. So yeah, yeah. 390 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,599 And next up was this a game called Infinity Nikki, which, you 391 00:22:11,599 --> 00:22:14,599 know, not a mere Travis game by any means. It looked I don't 392 00:22:14,599 --> 00:22:15,799 even know what the game like. Some of the gameplay looked kind of like 393 00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:19,759 souls like type of combat, and then like maybe open world exploration. This 394 00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:25,920 is a weeb game like through and through, so it's not for Meier Travis. 395 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,160 And so I think the visuals look great, and I think it's just 396 00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:30,759 cool to see a game like this that looked like so high budget because I 397 00:22:30,759 --> 00:22:36,200 feel like normally games like this are like smaller budget things or look like double 398 00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:37,759 A kind of things, but like this looks like a triple A as games. 399 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:41,759 So I know there's gonna be a big audience for this, and I'm 400 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:45,519 happy for them this game exists. I don't know anything about the developer or 401 00:22:45,559 --> 00:22:49,400 this character of these characters come from elsewhere, but yeah, this is a 402 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:52,160 I think you can track in the Discord. This is where I knew we 403 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:57,000 were in trouble because we had had Discord Or, we had Concord, we 404 00:22:57,039 --> 00:23:00,759 had the Gotta War Report, we had Dinas story, and then we had 405 00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:03,799 this and I was like, oh man, we're we're in for I was 406 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:04,960 like, I don't think it's gonna go the way I wanted to, and 407 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,440 it and it didn't. So but I'm happy for the the weaves out there, 408 00:23:08,519 --> 00:23:12,720 so mm hmm. And then ballad Evanara, which is coming out next 409 00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:17,400 year. This very much like like the Elden Ring, like a Soul's like 410 00:23:17,559 --> 00:23:22,359 type of game, like another kind of very Japanese sort of themed here. 411 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,680 My question about this was we saw kind of multiple shots of like different characters 412 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,400 doing calmed. They looked at them very distinct, and I don't know, 413 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,680 like, do you think those are just like different classes and stuff or is 414 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:34,319 this a game where you're like actually switching between characters for like different points in 415 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,079 the story. Like it doesn't look like you've a party necessarily, but like 416 00:23:37,279 --> 00:23:41,000 very distinct different types of characters. But it seemed more than just like them 417 00:23:41,039 --> 00:23:45,480 showing like different builds that you can do in this game. Yeah, it's 418 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,240 weird because like even I'm looking at like the title screen, it's like the 419 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,039 guy and he has a little growl in the back and goes, yeah, 420 00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:53,480 that seems like a protagonist. But then yeah, there's other playable characters. 421 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,920 I could say maybe there's some multi characters going on, because I just feel 422 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,759 like if you could do a different build of a character, let's just say 423 00:24:02,759 --> 00:24:06,920 it's some guy named Steve and there's there's these four models, I don't think 424 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,279 you'd show that in this trailer per se, you know, or you'd show 425 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,359 less about a main character. So I feel like it's him and made these 426 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:18,359 characters are flashes forward back to other things. So and I'm so curious now 427 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,279 that you've jumped in and you love elden Ring, Like, where's the interest 428 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:26,519 level on this one? No? Not there, not there. I still 429 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:30,920 my interest is you know, DLC coming up completing that and then is maybe 430 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,880 going to try some of the older games. I think like Dark Souls, 431 00:24:34,039 --> 00:24:37,559 yeah, until I see or even Bloodborne, I think that's the other one 432 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:40,720 that I always hear about, like until I hear see another one where Elden 433 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:42,880 Ring again, I had no intention until that world just grab me until I 434 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,599 see one in this world. It looks good enough, but I think it's 435 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,440 more still kind of like it feels like it's boring a bit on the anime 436 00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:52,720 type of side, and it's never you know, never in my uh my 437 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,039 expertise per se. So I think I'm more still inclined to go back to 438 00:24:56,079 --> 00:24:59,400 a couple or what's that other one. It's not completely souls like, but 439 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,000 it's like second or something like that is there, like a from software? 440 00:25:03,079 --> 00:25:06,160 Yeah, yeah, so that's another one. Yeah. So I think there's 441 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,039 a few other ones in the past that when I'm ready after Ring to dive 442 00:25:10,079 --> 00:25:14,160 into something else very challenging, it'd be it'd be one of the older ones 443 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,279 that makes sense. Yeah, And then we got two VR games, which 444 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,200 is something I've been curious to see, like, Okay, what is what 445 00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:26,279 is PlayStation can do with VR because I feel like they had they had PSVR 446 00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:29,279 two come out last year, and I'm like, there hasn't been a ton 447 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:33,119 of releases, but I thought this one behemoth that they showed off here looked 448 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,000 great, Like if I was to get a VR and play game like, 449 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:40,119 this is what it would be because it just looks like Skyrim, which I 450 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,079 know you can play in VR as well, but it looks very Skyrim like 451 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,920 in terms of the visuals, but all the combat in it, and like 452 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,359 the grappling hook we're using, like do puzzles and like you know, throw 453 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,160 your weapon across the room and then like grab it with the grappling hook or 454 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:57,000 throw enemies around. H kicking guys into spikes like Dark Messiah was like very 455 00:25:57,079 --> 00:26:00,759 much inspiring or looked a lot like that game, one of my favorites from 456 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,519 Arcane there. So uh yeah, I thought this just looked like a ton 457 00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:07,720 of fun. I love I love the vibe of this one. If I 458 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,200 had VR, this would be it would be a day one for me. 459 00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:12,160 But I don't have VR. I don't even have a PS five, so 460 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:15,200 it's a little expensive for me to go pick this one up. No, 461 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,240 I agree it because most of the R games they usually tune out. I 462 00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:21,559 still think we'll talk about because you said the only show too, I still 463 00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:25,759 think that's just that's a clear sign of the this things is not where they 464 00:26:25,799 --> 00:26:29,319 want to be, or if it's they're just not putting the harden, like 465 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:32,599 they're not putting the finances, the promotion, everything that needs to go. 466 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,680 It just feels like it's just even more so like if you're one, like 467 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,079 it came out big push and then they kind of leaned off. This has 468 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,599 not been out that long, it already feels like it's kind of like it's 469 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,319 kind of a round. But no, this looked really cool. It remind 470 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,240 me of like a way higher budget to like some of the games you'd see 471 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:48,480 in Arcade, which is like I'm saying that like a positive way. So 472 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,559 yeah, no, I liked it. It's same thing I would never I'm 473 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:56,160 never gonna own PSVR two unless I like win that like a Christmas raffle or 474 00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:00,440 something, so that's not my bag. But this, I agree. This 475 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,960 looked one of the better ones, where some of the VR games look pretty 476 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,519 rough or just kind of forgettable. So yeah, this is the first one 477 00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:10,119 that I've seen one like wow, visually that game is like standing up with 478 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,279 other Triple A games, which is rare. The one that did not those 479 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,480 Alien Rogue Incursion coming out this holiday, and yeah, we didn't like there 480 00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:22,240 wasn't a whole lot shown here, and I don't know why if the game's 481 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,240 coming out later this year, I feel like they could have had a larger 482 00:27:23,799 --> 00:27:26,559 about a game play. I mean, it looks like Alien Isolation or something, 483 00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,920 but just in VR, which is really all you need to say. 484 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,720 Yeah, but I just feel like visually it was a bit lackluster something about 485 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,759 it. It seemed a little off to me. But it's cool that it's 486 00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,759 happening. I guess it's a nice it's a it's a very it makes sense 487 00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:42,000 for that to be a VR game. Yeah, Visually, I think you're 488 00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:45,039 right. This feels almost more like the PSVR one era, like kind of 489 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:48,279 a couple of years back there. Oh you know. And again I could 490 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:51,880 say this kind of feels like Arcade, but now this in the in the 491 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:52,759 bad way where it's like you'd get to those games like, oh, this 492 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:55,880 is a little less to them, but it's a smart game, I think 493 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,799 as long. To me, if they could have reached like a even like 494 00:27:57,839 --> 00:28:02,400 a meta critic like six D five at a hundred, like that's fine, 495 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:03,759 Like that's what you're looking for. I think with the Alien game, and 496 00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:07,680 I think people already talk about Alien Isolation being a very scary, kind of 497 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:14,759 intense, uncut gems anxiety driven sort of feeling. So if they can capture 498 00:28:14,759 --> 00:28:17,680 that and then get in VR, I think you're winning an obviously good timing. 499 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,200 They're about to do a bunch of promotion for the movies and stuff, 500 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,400 so m yep, yep. They confirmed that Marvel Rival is coming to PS 501 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,279 five. Not a huge shock. I didn't know it wasn't. I thought 502 00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:30,240 that was just a I think it was already mentioned or once again, it 503 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,039 could have been a leak, like so like in public? Was it just 504 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:37,440 PC? Is that what the word was at some point the beta? You 505 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,519 mean it was in general the whole game. I I don't recall. Yeah, 506 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,759 I was probably just announced for PC. I don't even know if yeah, 507 00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:48,480 if the initial trailer had consoles tied to it. Oh, maybe it 508 00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:52,079 didn't. Yeah, I must have missed that because I didn't even know. 509 00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:53,880 I thought it was just I was already going to consoles other than Switch, 510 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,000 so yeah, I would I would assume so too. And is there a 511 00:28:57,039 --> 00:29:00,720 reason why I'd be going to PlayStation and Xbox or do you think Xbox is 512 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,599 just it's probably also got an Xbox. Okay, well, i'd imagine if 513 00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:07,079 they if they're working on one at a time, PS five would make more 514 00:29:07,119 --> 00:29:11,119 sense to the player base. But I'm sure it'll come to Xbox down the 515 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:18,400 line as well'll probably see that at the Xbox Showcase and they Yeah, I 516 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:19,720 don't know, not much to say about this trailer. Then it was fun 517 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,359 to see more team ups like Scarlet Witch and Magneto have one, which is 518 00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:26,880 cool of course, and then seeing other characters. It seems like they're triple 519 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:30,599 team attacks with certain character trios, so that I don't think we've seen that 520 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,319 before. That was pretty sweet. And then I think the highlight for me 521 00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:40,480 was at one point they were crumbling some buildings and they like knocked the foundation 522 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:41,839 out of one and it was about to fall over, but then there was 523 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,920 like spider web attached to the roof, so the roof stayed in place while 524 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,599 the rest of the building crumbled out. And it's like that's the kind of 525 00:29:48,599 --> 00:29:51,519 thing that gets me really excited about this game and just see like what kind 526 00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:55,400 of crazy tactics can you do by just blasting certain balls, bridges, roofs 527 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,759 down, and like, yeah, using these Spider characters, of which there's 528 00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:02,119 a few to like keep some of these things intact and make platforms that are 529 00:30:02,119 --> 00:30:04,680 beneficial to your team. Like that seems really freaking cool. So I thought 530 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,680 that was really impressive, and yeah, I'm really excited to play this game. 531 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:15,759 It was unfortunately too powerful for my laptop or PC. I did apply 532 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,839 for that beta and I did get that invite, but then I just couldn't 533 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,759 couldn't play it. So when it comes to a console that I have, 534 00:30:21,839 --> 00:30:25,039 I will definitely be jumping in and share my thoughts on it. But any 535 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:27,839 thoughts from you on this one, Uh, this is still again not my 536 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:32,119 gramre jury's out. I think I said I would try, and I don't 537 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,400 know. July, we'll see, like I might give it a go. 538 00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:37,680 I just still feel I haven't felt the poll to this game yet. I 539 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,160 think some of the character designs are very cool, and I think I've seen 540 00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,720 some of the beta stuff. There's been some really cool things, Like I 541 00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:45,839 saw this attack that Doctor Strange does where he can put a portal and make 542 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,400 people jump through it and then go on the other side. So he just 543 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,400 made the portal be off the map, so just a bunch of people yes 544 00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:53,680 try to jump, so I'm like, oh, that's very clever, very 545 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,640 fun. So yeah, I think I think there's some very cool stuff. 546 00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,680 So maybe it'll be a game that will surprise me and Buda, because I 547 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,720 think I'll try it at least once. But it's still nothing that i'm It's 548 00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:07,839 not the Marvel game I'm asked and for, but if other people are great. 549 00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:08,759 But again, lots of those type of games out there, right, 550 00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:14,200 and we've seen that combook games aren't like a guaranteed to get a download player 551 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,440 base. Just because you it's a big franchise doesn't mean they're going to cross 552 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,680 over, so mm hmmm. And then next up where Wins meet. This 553 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,519 is another souls like game, very kind of traditional Japanese style, a little 554 00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:29,559 more anime influence. Once again, I think it looks great. Not really 555 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,599 my cup of tea necessarily, but I thought it looked like solid, like 556 00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:36,359 the one fish boss that you were fighting against, Uh, looked pretty cool. 557 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,599 So it was into that. I'll skip to these next ones until Dawn 558 00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:41,599 remake was in there, passed Baxol two, a Silent Hill remake. Saw 559 00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:44,920 it again. I actually thought it looked better here than previous showing. But 560 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:48,240 still I'm on the edge with it, it seems like maybe more combat focus 561 00:31:48,279 --> 00:31:55,720 than I am into for these kinds of games. And then Monster Hunter Wilds, 562 00:31:55,759 --> 00:31:59,720 which we I'm trying to remember where that was announced. It was announced 563 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:00,680 earlier this year. I want to say, it could have been even been 564 00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:04,680 last year at this point. But seeing Moore this game, I thought it 565 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,200 looked really great in terms of like the visuals and the combat of it. 566 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:12,960 I always someday I think I'll get into a Monster Hunter game and it'll be 567 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,880 my favorite thing ever. But in the demos or a little bit I have 568 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:19,759 played, it's like it's just a little slow, a little sluggish. It 569 00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:22,400 takes too long, Like these enemies are obviously like bullet sponges and whatnot, 570 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,039 so it just takes a bit too long. But I felt like the enemy 571 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:28,759 design here, and like the physics of the monsters. The one guy had 572 00:32:28,759 --> 00:32:30,880 like this huge tongue he's slopping on the screen that I thought looked like a 573 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,759 really fun attack. The sands storm at one point, like not like really 574 00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:37,759 really great. So I just think visually this game looks got great. Other 575 00:32:37,799 --> 00:32:40,759 than the fact that it looked like maybe thirty fps, which I hope it's 576 00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:43,920 not. I hope it is that sixty. It could have been just YouTube, 577 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:46,039 of course, but yeah, I think like the story looks super cheesy, 578 00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:50,240 which kind of surprised me. I thought these games were more serious, 579 00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:52,279 so maybe they're switching it up, or maybe I just don't know what the 580 00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:54,079 heck I'm talking about. But once again, I think this game looks great. 581 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,440 It's just, uh, I don't know. I find Monster Hunter to 582 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,440 be a really overwhelming series for some reason. Yeah. No, I'm not 583 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,240 sure when I'm gonna pop my chair on that one day. I've never booted 584 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,240 one up or play one or anything, so I'm not sure. But uh, 585 00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:13,039 I think the audience was happy enough with this. There's some things about 586 00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:15,079 it, like you said, that look like they could be fun. But 587 00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:16,920 I guess it's just I don't know. I don't know why I haven't jumped 588 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,119 in. I think maybe because there's similar things in other games that I'm like, 589 00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:22,799 oh, I'm already kind of playing that, but uh, i'd like 590 00:33:22,839 --> 00:33:25,240 to at least just to say that I've done it. So but I don't 591 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,359 think it'll be this one. So yeah, yeah. Next up is Astrobots, 592 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:35,400 is coming out September sixth this year, so pretty a short time between 593 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:37,640 announcement and I don't even think this has been leaked. I haven't heard anything 594 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,839 about this. There were some rumors about it going in yet Okay, yeah, 595 00:33:40,839 --> 00:33:45,240 I miss those. Then does this because I haven't I don't have a 596 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,359 p spot, so I haven't played Astro's Playroom. Does this look like an 597 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,400 exact sequel to that? Obviously it's Astrobots as a continuation, But terms of 598 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,359 like the gameplay, would you say this is pretty similar to what Playroom looks 599 00:33:53,400 --> 00:34:01,279 like? Maybe you never played Playroom. I thought you played it because you've 600 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:05,559 talked about like the controller ship and how cool that is. Maybe I played 601 00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:07,440 like a level of rain on your hand. Yeah, maybe I played a 602 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:12,360 level or two and then I was I moved on. So but from what 603 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,719 I gat I think like three hours long or something. From what I gather, 604 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,039 it does, I think they've captured the spirit pretty well. But I 605 00:34:20,119 --> 00:34:22,320 just I got stuff to do. There's other game. I have a backlog 606 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,960 of games, and it's like three hours to be No, I'll play hell 607 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,239 bla twenty hour No, That's what I'll do. But uh yeah, no, 608 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,920 never never spent much time with Astro Boy or Astrobot, but uh, 609 00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,280 from what I hear to me, I think people are pretty happy with like 610 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,320 looking at like the equivalent of it. So yeah, no, I mean 611 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,920 this this looked like Mario Odyssey to me, but with Astrobot instead, and 612 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:47,440 you know, better looking graphics and like a nice frame right now, very 613 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,239 bright colors too, just like not saying that Mario doesn't, but I think 614 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,280 they're just going with a very different like. It just feels like there's character 615 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:59,360 designs looked like Mario characters in like an alternate universe. Yes, yeah, 616 00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,320 it's just like a it aesthetic and that's what I'm enjoying about it. So 617 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,559 yeah, I think this hit a home run because I think it was very 618 00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:07,679 because I think there was some statu it's like one of thoset like YouTube trailers 619 00:35:07,679 --> 00:35:10,559 for a video game or something like that, and I am surprised. So 620 00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:15,199 I'm curious in two ways, where with September, I don't think I'm gonna 621 00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:17,039 get that, because it's this is one that I think I'll wait and I 622 00:35:17,039 --> 00:35:20,559 have to see because I'm very curious what they're gonna price it as because I 623 00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:24,119 think if this is a seventy dollars game I think I don't know if that's 624 00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:30,679 gonna perform well in that state. I could see it seeing it be a 625 00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:35,599 bit lower potentially if they're going after the younger audience too, so maybe they 626 00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:38,800 want to price it. A kid could buy it with their birthday money, 627 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,440 you know, just the dev one of them. There's some interview going around 628 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,760 that they made like this is a big game, not in the big way 629 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:45,440 of like an elder room, but you know what I mean, Like to 630 00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:49,559 this, it's not a playroom. It's like a full it's a full game. 631 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,719 Yeah, So that's something where I'll wait and see. But this could 632 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,679 be tons of fun, especially now it's like the girls are starting to experiment 633 00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:59,320 and do different games and everything like that. So we haven't the we have 634 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,639 got Peach time because we're waiting for Logan to be a little older so then 635 00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:05,000 they can both kind of do single player stuff. But this is one that 636 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000 I'll probably have my eyes on in the future and see what it could do. 637 00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:08,840 So no, I think this is a great showing for a platform, 638 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:15,239 which platformers are unless you're Nintendo. It's like the forgotten art of the video 639 00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:16,760 game. I think people just almost like, oh yeah, it's like black 640 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,800 and white movies like it had its time, and then if Martin Square says 641 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,719 he drects the movie, it's like nothing just black and white movies, like 642 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,280 oh yeah, classic director. And that's where Nintendo is, right, it's 643 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:28,320 like, oh yeah, platformer, but anybody else doing them. I just 644 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,119 feel like it's it's like, oh, well, it's not Nintendo. It's 645 00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:34,239 just face for indie games these days. But indie games are crushed. My 646 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:38,079 favorite platformers ever recently are made by these small indie teams. But yeah, 647 00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:40,519 exactly, And yeah, to clarify, I don't mean the quality of them, 648 00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:44,199 not like there's tons out there that are great that I've played or people 649 00:36:44,199 --> 00:36:45,800 that have played. I haven't just said great things about them. It's just 650 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:50,960 in the eyes of the public, those aren't like like system movers or system 651 00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:53,800 sellers or moving shipments. Right, So that's unless, again, you're Nintendo, 652 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,920 and that's just like it's kind of a cheat because it's Nintendo. But 653 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,840 they're also banking off IP that's been popular for what fifty six to forty years 654 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,440 or whatnot, So it's like name me in a Tendel platform that's come out 655 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,599 that's an entirely new character that's done those numbers. They wouldn't do the same 656 00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:12,840 thing either, right, still waiting on a new Banjo Kazooi game or something, 657 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,159 but I digress. It's not coming out. So yeah, Xbox should 658 00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:19,599 do that. They own that stuff. They owned Viro and Bend and Crash 659 00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:22,119 now too, so they should do like a trio game where all three of 660 00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:24,199 them team almost like they could do like some sort of fighting game too with 661 00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:30,440 all these Yeah, maybe tailored to theoretical casts on this very topic, it's 662 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:32,400 like, maybe you should just do that. But no, I think this 663 00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:35,880 was great. So I'm curious to two ways where I think it's gonna review. 664 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:37,480 Well, I got good vibes about this, felt like everyone was happy, 665 00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:40,320 so that was really cool to see. So yeah, I'm gonna be 666 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:43,800 curious see what they price it wise, and then we're curious see what it 667 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,320 does hopefully reviews well and can kind of get some momentum because it could also 668 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:51,719 be maybe like good like Christmas purchases too for families of like here's something to 669 00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,719 you know, give a kid for Christmas and it's a fun, safe game. 670 00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:55,880 So no, I think this was really good, and I think them 671 00:37:55,880 --> 00:38:00,719 giving it the highlight splot shows that they are caring about it, and I 672 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,280 think I'm happy they ended on this instead of Concord because I think there is 673 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,239 a multiverse where they end on Concord. I think it's the bigger deal, 674 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,920 and I think this was smarter to do, so mm hmm, yeah, 675 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:15,199 I mean, I think this is something that's very much needed. Like I 676 00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:17,599 remember growing up and thinking that the PlayStation one and two where oh yeah, 677 00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:21,440 these are there's tons of you know, kid I mean I didn't think about 678 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,480 at the time, but like, yeah, these are very kid friendly games, 679 00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,719 a lot of platformers, a lot of mascots, and there was lots 680 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,320 of intrigue. But I feel like these days PS four and PS five, 681 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,800 like these, these so many first party games aren't really appealing to that market 682 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,679 other than like maybe Ratchet and Clank. But I even think that is maybe 683 00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,000 for like maybe aimed at more like teenagers or something as the primary demographics. 684 00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:43,559 So I think it's really important for their portfolio to have something like this. 685 00:38:43,639 --> 00:38:45,880 And I think gosh are about such a cool, fun character and you know, 686 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,920 obviously I mean this was in Playroom as well, but like a Nathan 687 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,559 Drake and Prap with the Rappa and yeah, Journey Crados. All these characters 688 00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:57,519 having like their funny little versions in here is really cool. So it's kind 689 00:38:57,519 --> 00:39:02,000 of the crossover IP two. I love the Controller glider and the PS five 690 00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:06,719 ship like that is just so fun. I think it's like the perfect amount 691 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,719 of like I don't know, just like selling your it's like product placement for 692 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,800 your own product, you know, so like it's very like like a Ralph 693 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,440 sort of way where they use like Disney IP in certain ways, like winking 694 00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:20,599 nudget use, so it's like, oh, like it's a movie still, 695 00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:22,159 but like you still get to see some stuff, so it's like a cool 696 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:28,000 like just wink of the eye tongue in cheek way, So I'm with you 697 00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,719 there. Like just even the designs that I actually really like them because like 698 00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:32,239 we talke about I think when it came out, like the PS five does 699 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,800 have like a weird like future techie type of feel, so it kind of 700 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,840 fits perfect with ashtro making fun of itself a little bit, like kind of 701 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:43,519 even more lighthearted, which is yeah. And then yeah, the music was 702 00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:46,559 just amazing in this trailer as well, So I am mad that I won't 703 00:39:46,599 --> 00:39:51,719 be playing this game at release, Like, this game looks fantastic. I 704 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,000 can't wait to uh play it out some play it sometime down the line. 705 00:39:54,159 --> 00:40:00,760 Yeah, that does it for the state of play. Any final thoughts here? 706 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:01,760 Do you want to throw a number on it? What do you want 707 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:05,400 to do? Yeah? If I would have thrown in the old days that 708 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,920 we used to do the conferences like the one to five, I would put 709 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,719 this out of two. I'd still fail it because I still think there was 710 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:16,800 two semi like point five's when we did those. I forget uh, I 711 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,400 probably because we don't really take it that seriously. Yeah, I don't take 712 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,519 it that serious. But even if we did three point seventy five okay, 713 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:25,599 okay, yeah, even if we did, I'm still still failing it. 714 00:40:25,639 --> 00:40:30,960 But some good stuff in there. M hmm. One other PlayStation thing I 715 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:31,760 wanted to ask you about. I don't know if you saw this rumor for 716 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:37,599 a couple of weeks ago that there's apparently a Horizon Lego game in development, 717 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,920 which it really starts to me as like that is a that is a weird 718 00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:45,199 pick, but at the same time, I think it could actually work really 719 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,679 well in terms of like the creatures and like that just feels like Legos already 720 00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:52,239 when you're breaking like pieces and parts off of each other. But I also 721 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,079 think of Lego games as like you need a lot of characters for these games. 722 00:40:54,119 --> 00:40:57,599 You don't always write because like Indiana Jones has a Lego game, I 723 00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:00,599 don't know, there's like five characters across those movies. So I don't know. 724 00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:04,079 It seems like a weird ip, but at the same time, I 725 00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:06,000 think it could work. I don't know, do you do you think? 726 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,719 Do you hope that that actually is real? Or do you do you not 727 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:12,119 care? Where are you at with that? I'm with you where I think 728 00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:14,719 that's super weird At first when I heard it, and I thought I was 729 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:15,840 like, oh, like a Lego set, Yeah, that makes sense, 730 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:22,280 that'd be cool and like to a game. I just don't know if Horizon 731 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:23,519 moves a lot of units. I think the second game moved a lot of 732 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:27,639 units and it does really well. But I still to me, the Lego 733 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,119 games are kind of the Lego based on something games. I guess they don't 734 00:41:31,159 --> 00:41:34,760 even do regular games because remember they used to be like a Lego Racer and 735 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,000 oh man, Lego soccer. I loved Lego Soccer Man. Yeah, they 736 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:42,719 did Lego City Undercover, right, oh yeah, that was such good stuff. 737 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,000 So now they don't really do it. But to me it still was 738 00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:50,800 like Star Wars, Avengers, Batman, Indiana Jones or The Rings Pirates like 739 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:55,039 it was. These type of adaption games were for the Mega of IP right, 740 00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:00,599 and I don't consider Horizon the Mega ip over. If you want to 741 00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:02,920 talk about PlayStation sure you can argue that ALOI is this new icon and those 742 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,760 games are really well and it is a new franchise, so yes, but 743 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:12,519 is it enough that enough people are wanting or gonna buy that It sounds really 744 00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:15,360 weird, and I believe it because I think the sources were pretty good, 745 00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:19,119 so it's an odd one. It's even odd too that they're not even doing 746 00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:22,159 it that maybe after the third game, when you could do like all all 747 00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:23,599 three games. But like, I don't know if it's like a remake. 748 00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:25,840 I don't know if it's like the replay over. I don't know if it's 749 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,360 something entirely. I don't say Horizon Lego getting a sequel at some knowing, 750 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,760 like I feel like it's a one all ran. Yeah, and I agree 751 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,119 that I think there's tons of things you can actually do with it. It's 752 00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:38,440 just to me a very odd pick of how did these conversations start? Like 753 00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:44,280 who did PlayStation go to Lego vice versa? Like I have more business sides. 754 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:45,960 I'm excited to read like a report on one day if like how did 755 00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,960 this happen? And same thing, how does this sell? Is this something 756 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,159 that people see go oh Horizon lgo Like I don't think so, Like I 757 00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:55,599 feel like the not that it's even a Mega one, but I feel like 758 00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:59,559 the one to do that would have been like got a war where you can 759 00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:01,280 like, okay, that's where you can have some fun and like you think 760 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,039 of Lord of the Rings and those games where there's serious dramatic moments, but 761 00:43:05,039 --> 00:43:07,199 with the Lego characters, like think about Credos and some of those really comedic 762 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:12,199 stuff where not saying Horizon is like a funny game, but it still has 763 00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,559 lighthearted It's more light harder than the God of War games, i'd say at 764 00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:17,639 times, and some characters. So yeah, it's a weird fit. But 765 00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,519 they are going in because there's the remake, there's the Lego game, there 766 00:43:22,679 --> 00:43:27,719 is the three, and then there's that multiplayer games with the remake. Yeah, 767 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,079 the remake and there's a multiplayer game, which that one I want to 768 00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:32,280 buy. I don't know if you're in it, because I feel like I 769 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,639 did not know about that. Tell me about the multiplayer game. I think 770 00:43:35,639 --> 00:43:37,880 it's supposed to be like almost like a monster Hunter type of game where it's 771 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:42,960 you know, it'd be something I think akin to like the Ghost of Shashimo 772 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,000 and where it's like you me drop or go somewhere and we're taking down dinos. 773 00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:49,079 And that's where I think, like Officely's story and you know, has 774 00:43:49,079 --> 00:43:52,119 some problems, but I think like that's when i'd love to play, whether 775 00:43:52,119 --> 00:43:53,639 it's with you or somebody, because I feel like, just like Ghost of 776 00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:57,880 Shashima where it's a sole game. The second we did Legends, we're like, 777 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,559 oh, this is to of fun, Like I think there's there's tons 778 00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:04,039 of fun too. Oh there's a massive, huge t Rex that you and 779 00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:07,480 me gotta take down. Like I think, I think there's some really fun 780 00:44:07,559 --> 00:44:10,119 multiplayer potential there. So with three, even though I did think about the 781 00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:13,639 other day and we had that experience with two, I still was like, 782 00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:15,400 you know, when three comes out, I might be back on the horse 783 00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,559 because I just like I thought about how much I loved that first game, 784 00:44:17,679 --> 00:44:21,239 like you never know, and I think that's a good thing. With a 785 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:22,679 lot of time in between, you do start to go like, oh, 786 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:27,519 maybe I could finish out the trilogy, but that one's a iffy. The 787 00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:29,559 multiplayer game, if I had someone to play it with, because I don't 788 00:44:29,559 --> 00:44:30,320 want to play for Randos, that was like a day one, Like, 789 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:36,039 I think that could be tons of fun. So I but clearly PlayStation very 790 00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:38,559 values that franchise, and it's cool to see a newer one take off like 791 00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:43,400 this. So yeah, I agree. I like that they're putting the resources 792 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,079 into an obviously, you know, making appearance an Astra boy as well. 793 00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:50,840 Now you got me saying asher Boy Astrobot as well, So that's cool. 794 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,079 No, the multiplayer game sounds cool. I'm I'm into that idea. I 795 00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:57,199 don't think I will pick up the third game, but I would definitely consider 796 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,239 picking up the multiplayer game. I hope it wouldn't be a situation where it's 797 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:04,199 like Legends that you need to own goes as the Shima and then it's like 798 00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,840 a free download from that, Like hopefully it wouldn't be like, Okay, 799 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,840 Horizon three comes out and then this is like a free deal. So hopefully 800 00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:14,440 they just put it on its own thing. Didn't they make Legends purchable events 801 00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:16,280 at some point? Or was that wrong about that? I thought there was 802 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:20,000 a time where you could I thought you had to own Gohoes as of Shima 803 00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:22,360 to play it, But I could be wrong. Maybe I'm just thinking, 804 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,639 well, because here's why I think that is the case is because I think 805 00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:29,880 when they just put they just put goes As Shima on PC. And I 806 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,960 don't think there's a separate skew for Legends, like I think it's just goes 807 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,039 As a Shima. I could be wrong about that, but no, that's 808 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:40,199 fine. But yeah, I guess because what would because what in your if 809 00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,280 it's not tied to Horizon three, how would it be Then do you think 810 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,280 we had separate eight dollars game? Because at that point, would you rather 811 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,119 just be tied to Horizon three? Because it's like, well, then I 812 00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:52,679 got Horizon three and the multiplayer mode because if you wanted to at least put 813 00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:55,480 your toes in the game, it's like that'd be better. Yeah, you're 814 00:45:55,559 --> 00:46:00,400 right, that is a tricky part of about it. I guess we just 815 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:07,760 haven't seen a ton of these other like PlayStation multiplayer or these live service things 816 00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:13,119 yet you know, from this new kind of last station, right, Yeah, 817 00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:15,719 So I don't know what they would do for that, yeah, because 818 00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,280 I don't think they'd want to like discount it either. I think they would 819 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,840 either want like a full price thing. I guess they'd really just have to 820 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,239 sell it as like it is a big game all on its own. But 821 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,960 I yeah, I feel like it would make more sense to actually tie it 822 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,679 to three unfortunately, so I don't know. We'll see what happens there. 823 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,719 Maybe we'll be but I feel like the ways this has been reported sounds like 824 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:37,599 a separate game, so maybe who knows, Maybe it's even something they could 825 00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:39,320 do like a we always talk about it, but we'll see with this and 826 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,800 like hellby we're gonna talk about later. That's very different. But that's like 827 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,960 a fifty dollars game, right, Maybe there's like a price they pay with 828 00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:47,920 play with I don't know, you know, Yeah, I don't think PlayStation's 829 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:52,199 done that yet that I can think of their first party stuff other than maybe 830 00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:58,199 VR titles. And I'm guessing Horizon Call of the Wild is like a very 831 00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,679 cheap game relative too, you know, a regular trip play game, which 832 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,760 might just be a playtime thing that they're factoring in there, but I don't 833 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,679 know. I guess there is precedent for it to some extent, so I 834 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,880 think that would maybe be the way to do it. Half price game in 835 00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:16,159 that realm are you doing at the PlayStation stuff? Yes, I am. 836 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,360 I got one bit of news I wanted to bring up because that's that's why 837 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,280 you gotta, you know, be in our discord. He shared it and 838 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,480 it's very interesting, So it's video game related, but it's TV show related 839 00:47:24,519 --> 00:47:29,119 related as well. That Prime Video just announced that there is a like a 840 00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:32,800 Dragon Yakuza show coming on October to Prime Video Live Action. It's gonna be 841 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:37,480 six episode things. So another video game adaption, and this one is like 842 00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:40,400 everyone's popping off because there's no rumors of this whatsoever. So I don't know. 843 00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,800 It's funny that I feel like months ago I've download an Xbox we were 844 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,800 talking about Yakuza. That's still one that I want to dip my toes in. 845 00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,400 So it's I've had download the newest not the newest one, but the 846 00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,320 one right before that. I have a downloaf games pass like a Dragon. 847 00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:57,599 Yeah, so at some point I'm gonna but yeah, so keep your ays. 848 00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,480 I don't think I don't know if we'll be reviewing that maybe like a 849 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,480 mini one, but still that's it's fun to see, and I don't think 850 00:48:01,519 --> 00:48:06,760 prime other than Fallout Now they've got two like video games one and not that 851 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,920 I think like a Dragon's on that size, but still like a big I 852 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,880 think that one that that one could be a lot lower budget, which is 853 00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,760 helpful for them, and to me that seems that seems like a perfect pairing. 854 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,280 I think a TV show is a better call for you. You could 855 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,719 those usually pretty long games, I think, so if you want to access 856 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,719 that type that much character stuff, I think the TV show route is the 857 00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,800 way to go. Yeah, and I'm not a huge fan of Serious because 858 00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:30,679 I haven't played any so I want to get into it. But I hope 859 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,320 they keep I wonder if they're gonna play it straight or there's gonna be a 860 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,079 lot of that, because's a lot of weird, wild stuff that happens in 861 00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:37,039 those games. That's what that's what made me want to play the game. 862 00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:40,039 I saw a cut scene from the newest one. Okay, what is this 863 00:48:40,119 --> 00:48:43,159 game? And I gotta play it. So I'm curious if you can do 864 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,039 that. That's a hard tone balance. But yeah, no, that's cool. 865 00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:50,800 Another video game adaption coming out soon, so I don't know if the 866 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:57,000 games have English voice acting or not, so I wonder what the show will 867 00:48:57,039 --> 00:48:59,440 be like in that way. Yeah, it doesn't say, it's just the 868 00:48:59,559 --> 00:49:01,440 tie, make your choice, take the next step if you use it like 869 00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,679 a dragon comes out, comes to prime October twenty fourth. So nothing. 870 00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,960 I don't think that's an opposie or anything yet. But again, it sounds 871 00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,880 like it's like this wasn't something that's been known, and the fact that's already 872 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,800 dropping this fall is pretty cool. So yeah, so stay tuned. Very 873 00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,760 nice. Let's take a quick break. When we get back, we will 874 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:23,440 be talking about hell Blade. We'll be right back. Okay, we are 875 00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:28,320 back, Travis. Last week or what was it two weeks ago we did 876 00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:34,679 in retrospective of hell Blade Senduous Sacrifice, and here we are just a couple 877 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,559 weeks later. The sequel is out and we have played it and we have 878 00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:43,199 finished it. You've finished it? I ye, Travis, what did you 879 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:50,400 think of the sequel? Here? So I think my thoughts are almost identical 880 00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:53,880 to the first one, but just lesser than like that's the way I would 881 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:58,280 promote the whole game, where I think that you have to know, and 882 00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,239 especially if you're playing the sequel. I think there's probably a few people that 883 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,639 it's funny. There's probably a few people that dropped off because they play that 884 00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:07,360 first one, and I think it is fearing more on that experience video game 885 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,519 than it is a video game. Like we talked about two weeks ago, 886 00:50:09,559 --> 00:50:14,440 I feel this is what maybe could you even want to with od or this 887 00:50:14,519 --> 00:50:16,599 is what he looks like, Oh, it's this cool hybrid of video game 888 00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:19,679 and movie, And this does feel like that. Even at times. There's 889 00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:22,360 some things that they've taken out from the first game that have eliminated them, 890 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:27,199 and there's some things that they've added where it is the classic. And I 891 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:29,400 know it sounds cliche, but it's like, Okay, am I in a 892 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:30,800 cut scene or am I not? You know, am I some playing or 893 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,960 not. There's multiple times, like for example, this happens throughout the game 894 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,440 a few times where your character will be laying down to maybe they're squishing between 895 00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,679 something you have to crawl. For a while, she was crawling and then 896 00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,599 she just stopped like what's going on? Like, oh, that's me and 897 00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:46,119 this even the way you move, it's it. It feels very close to 898 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:51,039 kind of something that people have joked about. Oh imagine one day if we 899 00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:53,639 can play a video game that looks like a cut scene. That's one thing. 900 00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:57,000 I think we talked about it a lot in the first one. But 901 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,880 I don't think it's hyperblock for me, Like I would put this in like 902 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:06,400 a top ten best looking video games all time visually too holy mull rocks, 903 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,480 baby, Oh they look so good. The rocks, the dirt, the 904 00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:13,760 visuals, everything, just some of the water, some of the northern lights 905 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:19,280 happen, the caves, like just it is breathtaking. Just I've never seen 906 00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,840 anything really like this. I'd have to make a list and see. And 907 00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:24,920 of course they can do that shorter experience, not as much moving around. 908 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,679 We talked about the combat before, so that's where for me it's still an 909 00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,280 achievement, even for me overall if it's like a little lesser than one, 910 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,880 because I feel like it's kind of what we talked about, where we go 911 00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,639 what do you do with this? And I feel like there is kind of 912 00:51:38,679 --> 00:51:43,880 a sense of like what do we do and it feels like this is the 913 00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,239 best of it, but I don't know what you could have done if you 914 00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:50,199 make an even smaller experience of like a DLC. But at the same point, 915 00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,039 it's like I don't want to be like, oh, well, this 916 00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:54,039 is a complete failure or like I didn't need I don't think it's some games 917 00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:58,280 where it's like, oh he did number two, they didn't do anything new, 918 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,360 or it's disappointing, and it's I'm fine, the same that Horizon that 919 00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,079 we talked about right where I don't think it's that, but it's a game 920 00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:07,679 that I don't think about Horizon too that much right where this even far out, 921 00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,559 I'll be thinking about this game for a while just because of those visuals, 922 00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:15,320 so visually graphics, what you're looking at. It is a stunning game 923 00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,239 that I recommend even if you don't want to play it, go find a 924 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,159 best of or a YouTube da like watch some of this. But I still 925 00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:24,840 even recommend playing it because it is like seven hours unless you really don't like 926 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:30,039 the whole video games as art experienced thing. But yeah, So for my 927 00:52:30,119 --> 00:52:32,679 cons where I talked about my biggest com the last one was Combat. That's 928 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:37,119 kind of the same here, you know, it's still very much the same. 929 00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:40,039 I will completely admit that I think it is something where I'm playing one 930 00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,000 and then two weeks later or less than playing two and back to back. 931 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:45,880 So even though if you put that together it's like a fourteen hour game, 932 00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:51,039 it's still just like it's a fourteen hour game that doesn't have much variety in 933 00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:53,119 fighting. And I actually think that I think maybe last game I said you 934 00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:55,239 could have done with less of the puzzles. I think you could done less 935 00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:00,079 combat here as far as just interactions. I feel there's maybe like three big 936 00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:04,519 sections where there's like a boss or some big fight. I feel like you 937 00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:07,920 could just do that and then maybe two other more like one to teach you 938 00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,599 a bit, and then one sprinkled. Like, I think less combat would 939 00:53:10,599 --> 00:53:15,159 actually be better here because I feel like they're definitely going for the experience and 940 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,480 that's what people want, and I feel like they're trying their best, like 941 00:53:19,519 --> 00:53:21,880 they're very condom between. We still got to make this a video game, 942 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,920 and I think it should be something almost more like a Gone Home, where 943 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,440 it's just it is more about the story and the visuals and you're kind of 944 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,800 playing a walking sim because I think at times the combat it's just I'm just 945 00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:35,599 kind of over it. I'm just it's not it doesn't excite me. And 946 00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:38,519 I even looked into because I had read some reviews and stuff that there's even 947 00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:42,800 some stuff with the pairing that on purpose that even if you do perfect parry, 948 00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,119 they'll make it that it doesn't. So they're trying to make the fights 949 00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:49,760 like more like cinematic and like I remember, like when they talked about it 950 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,360 this back in the January direct that they wanted every fight to feel like you 951 00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:57,960 were just barely scraping by. Don't like that, Yeah, artificially kind of 952 00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:01,039 a difficulty to give you that intende. I like that for certain fights we 953 00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:04,960 talked about there certain fights the last game where it's like you're supposed to lose 954 00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:07,400 or not do well. I love that ENVIEO games when you're getting tricks to 955 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,440 go okay, but when it's just like a little random battle with like one 956 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,079 guy, it's like, I just don't feel like I'm progressing there. The 957 00:54:13,119 --> 00:54:16,360 puzzles, they're pretty much the exact SAX think. I feel like they did 958 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:21,599 less of them and they made them even easier though, Like there's sometimes where 959 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,639 you definitely would have, oh, look at these three poles and put them 960 00:54:23,639 --> 00:54:27,639 together. But I had so many times where we're just looking all that symbols 961 00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:30,280 right on the wall. That symbol is just a stick of like it's an 962 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,280 an. You're looking for an Oh, it's right there. And I feel 963 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:36,440 like they're really guiding you to the point where it's tough, because for me 964 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:37,800 it's never that. I still I think I like the puzzles more than you, 965 00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:43,360 but I just thought it was a variety or also just doing them too 966 00:54:43,519 --> 00:54:45,239 much of the same one we talk about that fire one right like where I 967 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,519 think they did pulls back, but the same time, I feel like they 968 00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:52,400 almost like overcorrected, like they dumbed them down in a sense to make it 969 00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:55,719 like you don't really need to do them. So and story wise, my 970 00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,400 last point give to you. I think it's a good story, but I 971 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,519 don't think for me it hits the same chords as the first one. I 972 00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:05,880 think even the element of like what's real what's not, I think there's more 973 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,880 elements that you can argue this being real. And I think that there's two 974 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,920 examples I have which we're gonna do that I think they could be in this 975 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:15,480 person's mind suffering from psychosis. But for me, it just wasn't as intriguing, 976 00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:21,199 and I think it did show that that hell Blade one from a story 977 00:55:21,239 --> 00:55:22,920 point of view, I think was better as just a one off. I 978 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,599 don't think this added too much more. I think by the time, I 979 00:55:25,639 --> 00:55:30,159 think it kind of padded what you learned before. Even there's just times if 980 00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:32,920 we're talking about getting over you know, some things darkness and stuff. It's 981 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,800 like I felt like we kind of went the full circle the first time, 982 00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:38,760 and this is, you know, maybe an impact on how mental health will 983 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,159 not just hurt you but others and what you can do with that. So 984 00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,159 I think there's still good messages in there. I just was not as enthralled 985 00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:47,599 with this story as the first one. And like I said, I'm not 986 00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:50,840 sure if there's like a way they could have done this as like a DLC. 987 00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:52,800 Maybe there's a version that they should have done hell Blaye, but not 988 00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:57,079 Senya and like a different character in this type of world, because I still 989 00:55:57,079 --> 00:56:00,320 want this game to exist, because just do something in this world, because 990 00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,800 the visuals are at least worth it. It is a gorgeous game, So 991 00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:07,960 again, not a bad story, but I think everything is kind of lesser 992 00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:10,760 than as the first one. So that's that's kind of where I am with 993 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,400 L two, where I enjoyed it, but still not not the first one, 994 00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,000 other than, like I said, just being an awe of what's on 995 00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:22,480 screen in front of me. So mm hmmmm, Oh, where do I 996 00:56:22,519 --> 00:56:30,039 want to go first? I had a very mixed time with this game across 997 00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:35,679 the board. In many ways, it improved on my Like the thing I 998 00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:37,639 hated the most with the first game the puzzles. I hate those puzzles, 999 00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:40,000 and they pad the game. They make it way longer. That game should 1000 00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:44,920 be two hours shorter than it needs to. And I think that they fix 1001 00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:46,599 that here. The puzzles, there's way way less of them. You're not 1002 00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:50,159 doing the same things over and over again. They do a good job of 1003 00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:52,440 actually like a layering the puzzles that you're doing, so it's like, Okay, 1004 00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,559 here's one puzzle mechanic, half an hour later you're doing some other type 1005 00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:59,519 puzzle mechanic, and then there's like another point later on that you're kind of 1006 00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,320 using those two things together. It was never too hard. I was never 1007 00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,519 stumped for too longer than like maybe a couple puzzles and that was like the 1008 00:57:06,559 --> 00:57:07,840 perfect amount for me, so it didn't drag the game down. I think 1009 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,360 because of that, this game is a lot shorter than the first one, 1010 00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:14,079 at least it felt like it to me. But that was like positive. 1011 00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:15,000 That was good for me for this kind of game. I don't need it 1012 00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:19,760 to be too long. And in the first game, I loved the combat, 1013 00:57:19,800 --> 00:57:22,000 and here I love it too. I think it's I think it's great. 1014 00:57:22,079 --> 00:57:25,639 It's exactly it does exactly what needs to Its focus is on cinematics over 1015 00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:30,639 gameplay mechanics, and that's the same thing as that the Perry mechanic that you're 1016 00:57:30,639 --> 00:57:32,639 talking about there. I didn't notice that was the thing, but I think 1017 00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:36,000 it makes sense, and I actually think it's a good idea for what this 1018 00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:38,000 game is. I think the comment is a huge success, and they've made 1019 00:57:38,239 --> 00:57:42,440 good improvements to it. I don't think it's like wildly better than the first 1020 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,360 game, but it's like about is good with a couple little things there, 1021 00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:49,519 and they've only they only removed one element of the mechanic or the combat mechanics. 1022 00:57:49,559 --> 00:57:52,239 We'll talk about that ability on visuals. I mean, I agree with 1023 00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:57,960 you there, games freaking breathtaking, really beautiful. The sound design is fantastic, 1024 00:57:58,039 --> 00:58:00,199 and the voice acting it's great, all that stuff. Yeah, I 1025 00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:04,000 was pretty let down with the story of this game, though, and that's 1026 00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,440 where I'm ultimately going to be. I think lower on this one than I 1027 00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:08,960 was on the first game. There is that element of like, Okay, 1028 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:14,239 what's real what's not? And I feel like it's more clumsily done here, 1029 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,360 or like more yeah, like it is inherently a confusing thing, but I 1030 00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,559 think it's more confused in a way that I feel way less connected with the 1031 00:58:20,599 --> 00:58:22,599 story and that like the first one was, like man, I loved having 1032 00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:25,199 that conversation of be like, oh, what is real? What isn't? 1033 00:58:25,239 --> 00:58:29,079 Like this thing that isn't really like what do we think it's a what does 1034 00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:31,199 it mean? Or how is it manifesting? All that stuff. I don't 1035 00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:35,599 really like so far in the last week, because I finished the game a 1036 00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:37,639 bit ago that I've been thinking about my time through the game. I'm not 1037 00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:42,000 having fun thinking about the ambiguity of it. I'm just like, I feel 1038 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:44,159 like this is maybe a plot hole, this doesn't really make sense, or 1039 00:58:44,239 --> 00:58:45,840 I feel like kind of cheated in a way. Even though I knew what 1040 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:50,920 was coming, and then you know, this game introduces characters. Like the 1041 00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:52,800 first game, you could argue like there's only one character in the game, 1042 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:57,920 but everyone else is just like imaginary or like part of senuous memory, you 1043 00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,840 know, and those ones are more real, but they were part of the 1044 00:59:00,119 --> 00:59:04,440 her past, right. This game introduces a lot more characters. I don't 1045 00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,360 think really any m ad to the experience like a whole like a lot at 1046 00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:10,159 all. And there's even a couple of story points like I'm not going to 1047 00:59:10,199 --> 00:59:13,840 spoil the ending here, but anyone, you know, she's giving some like 1048 00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:20,400 big what's the word a mono monologue? She's give me like a big monologue 1049 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,840 at the end, and I was like, what are you even talking here? 1050 00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:24,360 Like is this what this game has been about? I feel like these 1051 00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:29,679 themes that you're establishing here are like not things I was experiencing as a player. 1052 00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:34,800 So the story felt really weird and disconnected and really lackluster to me. 1053 00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,679 So yeah, like, you know, combat is as good as the first 1054 00:59:37,679 --> 00:59:39,360 game, puzzles way better in the first game, but then stories a whole 1055 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:43,000 lot weaker. So I think it kind of bounces out to this game being 1056 00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:45,440 just a bit of a worse experience in the first one, but it's also 1057 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:46,800 shorter, so I guess it's uh. I don't know. I didn't find 1058 00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:50,719 myself like as annoyed as I did playing the first game in that way, 1059 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,400 So yeah, I think that's where I'm at on it. Any other kind 1060 00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:58,559 of non spoilery things or do you want to jump into some spoilers here? 1061 00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,320 No, I think we covered all that. Okay, let's let's do that. 1062 01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:06,559 Let's jump into some spoilers. Maybe we we will just start with with 1063 01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:09,960 combat talking about that probably probably won't be too long. They pretty much have 1064 01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,159 all the same mechanics here. It's the same as the first game. There's 1065 01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:17,800 nothing really new. The only difference actually is they removed the kick. Yeah, 1066 01:00:19,199 --> 01:00:21,840 I know, I went that a couple of times, like muscle memory, 1067 01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,639 and I was like, oh right, And I didn't enjoy that they 1068 01:00:23,719 --> 01:00:27,760 removed the kick. I like that animation and another thing. I maybe I'm 1069 01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:30,239 wrong, but I feel like they removed one of my favorite attacks is when 1070 01:00:30,239 --> 01:00:32,960 you would run with her and then do the sword she do like a superman 1071 01:00:34,119 --> 01:00:37,000 like right in the air, and I don't think they have that in this 1072 01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:38,800 game at least. I think there is still like a running attack, but 1073 01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,719 it's definitely less the same thing dive that it was in the first one. 1074 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:46,880 Yeah, so I mean I didn't really It's funny, I didn't really miss 1075 01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:50,039 the kick because, as we talked about in the retrospective, I didn't even 1076 01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:52,039 know there's a block button therefore perry button, and so it kind of like 1077 01:00:52,119 --> 01:00:55,599 replaced that for me, and I don't know, I guess there was less. 1078 01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:59,079 Like there's a couple guys that have shields in this game, but that's 1079 01:00:59,159 --> 01:01:00,679 usually what I was using the kick for in the first game, was to 1080 01:01:01,039 --> 01:01:04,360 kind of take out a shield guy or a block or something, but I 1081 01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:07,480 think just I preferred using pairing instead, or now that I like know how 1082 01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,320 the focus works, I feel like I was really abusing the focus to just 1083 01:01:10,559 --> 01:01:15,280 completely destroy enemies. But one thing I absolutely love about the combat I think 1084 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:19,880 is so cool and I hope other games steal this is whenever Like one of 1085 01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:22,760 the issues I have with combat in the first game was like certain arenas were 1086 01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:24,199 kind of small, and you get back into a corner and like the camera's 1087 01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:28,960 like not aiming the thing I want it to. This game never really puts 1088 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:30,679 you against multiple people at the same time. Instead you're like doing a one 1089 01:01:30,719 --> 01:01:34,599 on one fight, and then once you defeat that person, they'll be like 1090 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,639 this kind of this cut scene will pop in all of a sudden. It's 1091 01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:39,639 like really good on the fly how it does it where you're fighting someone and 1092 01:01:39,639 --> 01:01:43,480 then as soon as you kill that enemy, like maybe one of your companions 1093 01:01:43,679 --> 01:01:45,400 gets like knocked to the ground by some other opponent and then you go in 1094 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:49,440 there and kind of intercept and then you start fighting that person and it kind 1095 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,599 of just like throws these little cutscene transitions in that makes it like feel like 1096 01:01:52,639 --> 01:01:55,360 a John Wick type fight for me, or just like every time you turn 1097 01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,440 around, there's like some other guy doing something about to strike at you, 1098 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:01,639 taking out of teammate, taking out some other guy that you're trying to save. 1099 01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:06,400 And I just thought it made some of these very specific sequences that really 1100 01:02:06,679 --> 01:02:09,920 like did that well. I thought were really really cool and cinematic and we're 1101 01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:14,519 just really fun. Once again. The mechanics are very simple, but I 1102 01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:16,559 just think it like visually looks so good and like I think the camera they 1103 01:02:16,639 --> 01:02:21,280 dropped it a bit lower, and it like really follows the sway of the 1104 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:24,800 character that I just thought was just perfect. So I thought the camera work 1105 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:29,639 was insanely good for the combat system here, I agree, but that that's 1106 01:02:29,679 --> 01:02:31,639 what I noticed too, like the camera being just almost more like closer to 1107 01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:36,519 the hip in this opinion that you just felt like it felt like a bit 1108 01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:37,360 more over the shoulder. But yeah, I agree with you. And I 1109 01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,880 think also because I thought about this when we talked about the last review, 1110 01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:43,880 where it felt like one you didn't have to worry about this, but when 1111 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:45,880 you fight multiple enemies, you would say like, oh, it's hard to 1112 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:47,480 focus on one one. You're just finding the one. And even then too, 1113 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,079 I feel like they did a good job. If you get a hit 1114 01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:52,800 or you move around, they're always kind of in your line of sight relatively. 1115 01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,519 So yeah, I never got like backed in a corner in a janky 1116 01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:59,000 way like the first game. And I think there's something, especially like the 1117 01:02:59,039 --> 01:03:01,480 last fight you have. I think visually they do some really really cool stuff 1118 01:03:01,519 --> 01:03:05,239 and they make it so I do like that change. I guess that I 1119 01:03:05,239 --> 01:03:07,880 do miss the kick. I missed that running knife. I don't miss I 1120 01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:12,480 don't like the like fake out pairy thing. So yeah, there's a few 1121 01:03:12,519 --> 01:03:16,000 aspects that lessen it for me because the kick was at least something even added 1122 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,840 more variety. I could like throw in a strike, a heavy strike, 1123 01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:22,280 and then a kick. Now it's just this heavy strike and the strike, 1124 01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,559 you know, so it was even less so so but no, I agree 1125 01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:29,039 from I think it was smart to make that change up, especially this one. 1126 01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:31,159 Nothing The other one wasn't a walking around, big area game, but 1127 01:03:31,159 --> 01:03:35,559 I think there's just something about this one that does fit a bit better. 1128 01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:37,239 Even though it is funny that you're lost times versus one on one, and 1129 01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:39,840 you would think this would be the time to put multiple enemies when you have 1130 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,079 companions with you, because maybe you could do some things. But uh yeah. 1131 01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:45,960 So for the most part, I was lower in the combat, but 1132 01:03:45,079 --> 01:03:47,800 as we said before, I was already kind of lower on the first go 1133 01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:52,159 around, so it was just somebody wasn't a fond of and then it lessened 1134 01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:55,239 it for me. So that's where it was. It's it's not the most 1135 01:03:55,239 --> 01:03:58,440 fun to play that way, and I will say before I can forget, 1136 01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,000 there's lots of instances where they don't let you run, which was also just 1137 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,639 a little annoying for me because they're definitely just slowing it down because combat or 1138 01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:09,119 just like in the world, just in the world, just in the world, 1139 01:04:09,159 --> 01:04:11,679 but I just want to throw it because anyway I forget. But yeah, 1140 01:04:11,719 --> 01:04:15,159 so there's a few just little changes like that throughout where quality life stuff 1141 01:04:15,159 --> 01:04:17,639 were down for me that made it feel longer. So my my biggest like 1142 01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:23,480 quality of life complain in this game is that in the options there's no toggles 1143 01:04:24,039 --> 01:04:27,719 run button, Like this game needs that where you just tap left bumper and 1144 01:04:27,719 --> 01:04:31,719 then you're running by default. I'm shocked that they don't have that kind of 1145 01:04:31,719 --> 01:04:34,960 thing in here, because yeah, there's there's so many moments where you're like, 1146 01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:38,960 yeah, in that slower walking moments cause you're like walking with a companion 1147 01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:42,719 or something. But if you hold the sprint button you still move a little 1148 01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:45,880 bit quicker, but it's like so little that I'm like, I'm going so 1149 01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:47,639 sold that I like I need to hit it. But I also like it 1150 01:04:47,719 --> 01:04:51,880 moves me maybe you know, five percent faster or something. So I found 1151 01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:58,119 that annoying. But I also one thing I related about the combat was I 1152 01:04:58,440 --> 01:05:01,000 just feel like the animations, I don't know, it seemed like almost like 1153 01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:03,960 more of like a physics system where I feel like I was never seeing the 1154 01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:09,920 exact same swings or finishers, like there'd just be little variations, and like, 1155 01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:12,800 you know, you have like kind of set combos that do types of 1156 01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,159 things, but I just feel like the way she would actually swing the sword 1157 01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:18,480 around was always like a little bit different, which once again was very cinematic 1158 01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:23,280 and very immersive for me that I just didn't feel like I'm seeing the same 1159 01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:27,440 stock animation over and over again. And then yeah, like enemy variety, 1160 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:29,480 we talked about the first game, like there wasn't a ton of it. 1161 01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:31,559 This game probably actually is like a little bit less than the first game because 1162 01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,199 they're aren't really addicially too. I was like, they do some change, 1163 01:05:35,239 --> 01:05:39,199 but the first game, the visuals of them are so cool. If there's 1164 01:05:39,199 --> 01:05:44,159 a lot more just human people that look gross, look like locker people, 1165 01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,119 I can agree with that. And I feel like the it's like they almost 1166 01:05:47,119 --> 01:05:49,920 have like maybe potentially more enemy types because there's just like, oh, this 1167 01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,960 guy's two acts, this guy's like one acts, and they have like similar 1168 01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:58,159 move sets, but once again kind of like these almost improv type animations to 1169 01:05:58,199 --> 01:06:00,000 it. But then yeah, there's like not as many, like I think 1170 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,079 there's only two boss fights in this game, right, like you fight this 1171 01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:12,000 like what's his name, the Sun, yeah, Thor Guester, right yeah, 1172 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,400 yeah yeah, so you like fight him and then like his dad. 1173 01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,079 And I think those like the only two actual boss fights, like when you're 1174 01:06:17,079 --> 01:06:20,440 doing the giant stuff, like that's more of like cinematic. It's more of 1175 01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:24,880 like almost like a platform challenge or something than it does a combat challenge. 1176 01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:28,199 So you don't have something like the dog from the first game, or like 1177 01:06:28,239 --> 01:06:30,440 the double axe dude who was like always sprinting around, or like the big 1178 01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:34,719 dude Surder. Yeah. They add the like fire breather as like a new 1179 01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:38,480 enemy type here, which you know, and then like the creepy little like 1180 01:06:38,519 --> 01:06:41,559 Gollum type dudes as well. They're always kind of scratching at you and whatnot. 1181 01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:45,239 So yeah, enemy variety I think is about the same quality as the 1182 01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:47,320 first game. But I was kind of surprised that they didn't have as many 1183 01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:51,440 boss fights or at least like traditional like combat heavy boss fights. Maybe they 1184 01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,960 just felt like, Okay, these giant fights, we want to do something 1185 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:59,119 different with them, and like this is working. This is working and having 1186 01:06:59,119 --> 01:07:01,000 that level suspense, so we don't need those, But I also I don't 1187 01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:03,320 think the boss fits were like my favorite part about the first game. I 1188 01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:06,079 think the dog one was fun, but like Surder, I kind of just 1189 01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:10,079 found more annoying than anything else. So I guess I don't. I guess 1190 01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:12,280 I'm not too mad that they took those out, But even the ones that 1191 01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,440 there are here, I found this like, I don't think I died in 1192 01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,159 this game once, whereas I died like a bunch of times in the first 1193 01:07:17,159 --> 01:07:20,000 game, So I don't know. Maybe it was just easier across the board. 1194 01:07:20,239 --> 01:07:23,519 Yeah, I could have used one more. Maybe not, because I 1195 01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:26,880 think the point of the giants, other than the dad they're trying to which 1196 01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:30,400 will get in the story wise, you almost not choose a violent route. 1197 01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,639 But I still wish there was something a bit more to it, so I 1198 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:36,599 could have used one more because I think the first fight to me wasn't much 1199 01:07:36,639 --> 01:07:40,840 because that just felt like it is so early on they were just trying to 1200 01:07:40,840 --> 01:07:42,960 get you to feel like, oh if you remember the controls, and you 1201 01:07:43,039 --> 01:07:45,880 just didn't feel that hard. So yeah, I wish there was one more 1202 01:07:45,880 --> 01:07:49,599 in there. Mm hmmmm. I don't think I have anything else on the 1203 01:07:50,519 --> 01:07:55,760 combat. Do you want to talk about some story here, Where do you 1204 01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:59,360 want to start with the story? Don't know characters, certain plot points, 1205 01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,760 the end, where do the characters will start there? Because I'm with you 1206 01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:06,000 where they didn't. They worked a bit better near the end, but they 1207 01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:10,400 still didn't work well enough. I think that is the problem with this game. 1208 01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,320 I would love to see if there was a version of this. I 1209 01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:15,000 don't think they would, and they're working on a different game, but if 1210 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,279 there was like a hell Blade three and they go like, we're and you 1211 01:08:17,319 --> 01:08:20,439 couldn't do this because the visuals or take forever, but just like we're gonna 1212 01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:24,840 make a twenty hour one or something like that. And that's where the multiple 1213 01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:28,159 characters, I think they worked as well as they could but for a while, 1214 01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:30,840 especially oh gosh, what's the bad guy that starts at the beginning, 1215 01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,239 but he becomes your friend the end, like for Guester, Like I was 1216 01:08:34,239 --> 01:08:39,520 not taking that character for almost majority of it until the end where he really 1217 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:44,279 makes like a baby face turn. But so there are good little snippets. 1218 01:08:44,359 --> 01:08:46,239 I think for me, there is something where I think with they're being kind 1219 01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:50,000 of three giants in a sense and then three characters, I wonder if that's 1220 01:08:50,079 --> 01:08:54,079 kind of like three personality traits, and if you look at each character, 1221 01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,560 they kind of represent something like he is the he has the exact same kind 1222 01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,239 of dynamic that she does with her dad, right, or kind of what 1223 01:09:00,239 --> 01:09:04,640 we've been applied. The lady what was her name, Broanahan or Bronan or 1224 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:09,199 ad. I think Astro who was brown in then I thought there was a 1225 01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:13,159 bo n N and then far Grimmer is like the village leader guy that kind 1226 01:09:13,159 --> 01:09:15,640 of takes you under his wing. But I don't know who Bronahan is. 1227 01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,520 I'm not sure. Maybe you're thinking of I think the Klan is called I 1228 01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:24,199 figure the burg of Virki is the name of like the city, or maybe 1229 01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:29,039 it's his dad. They're so right now, they're just gonna be the warrior, 1230 01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,159 the villager and then uh, you know, the bad guy. But 1231 01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:36,319 yeah, so with her, she's representing I think like the vicious kind of 1232 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,640 soldier fighting side, right, and you get to see that, and the 1233 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,880 villager. I think it's just kind of representing the person that she almost wants 1234 01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,079 to be in a sense, or the few little bits that she has in 1235 01:09:47,159 --> 01:09:50,279 her that are just a good and caring person that would take people under the 1236 01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:54,159 wing, because I think that's what it was. That if it's the the 1237 01:09:54,319 --> 01:09:58,079 what's not real, then to me it's like the giants and these three people 1238 01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:01,000 are just kind of variations of her personality or things she's been through, and 1239 01:10:01,079 --> 01:10:04,239 then if they are real, I think the allegory is just that one. 1240 01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:09,520 It's showing that you're not alone in mental health, like not only with help, 1241 01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,840 but it's just like there's many people that can be going through but have 1242 01:10:12,039 --> 01:10:15,279 different issues, right, there's many clinical versions of mental health. It's not 1243 01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:18,880 one fits all type of size. I think it's also then with the giants 1244 01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,960 to represent that there's even a line. I think they just spelled up like, 1245 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,800 oh, every monster start as a man, and that's where it is, 1246 01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:28,880 right where without help, without support, maybe that's the route you can 1247 01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,079 go. So I think those messages is were good there. I think that's 1248 01:10:31,159 --> 01:10:34,680 where you might need to be longer if you're doing a group one, or 1249 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:39,600 maybe lose one of the characters. So I think that stuff did work for 1250 01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,680 me in the end, the multiple characters. I think the stuff of her 1251 01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,760 not killing the dad and then being like, oh, she's overcoming the darkness, 1252 01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:47,279 it's like, well, you've kind of done that before, and I 1253 01:10:47,319 --> 01:10:50,840 think that's the good thing. With the two giants, it wasn't it was 1254 01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,399 like the Batman thing where she's not trying to kill them, she's trying to 1255 01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:57,079 find was the best route, and one was, you know, giving the 1256 01:10:57,159 --> 01:11:00,239 infant bones or the other one's just setting him free. Like I think that 1257 01:11:00,399 --> 01:11:04,159 was good of showing. That's where I said in the nonswords that it's like 1258 01:11:04,199 --> 01:11:06,720 Patty and it's showing, Okay, she's not dark like your father. But 1259 01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:11,319 I kind of already got that from the first game. So the multiple characters 1260 01:11:11,399 --> 01:11:15,319 I liked of seeing different sides of herself mental health is like our group discussion. 1261 01:11:15,680 --> 01:11:18,720 But I think the other stuff about Senya's journey they didn't. They didn't 1262 01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:24,119 nail per se. And the characters I like they were they were fine, 1263 01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:26,000 But again, how much can you do with them, especially some of the 1264 01:11:26,079 --> 01:11:29,840 characters you're meeting three and a half hours in and then there's only two hours 1265 01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:31,760 left, and a lot of them they go disappearing for right. So sometimes 1266 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:35,520 it feels like it's like a slice of a second act of a game, 1267 01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:40,399 but it's not. It's the full it's a full game. So yeah, 1268 01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:44,119 I think to break them down for myself. Like thor Gester, who's kind 1269 01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:47,159 of the the slave master guy at the start, it just like it's pretty 1270 01:11:47,159 --> 01:11:49,800 obvious what's gonna happen with him. You know that he's gonna be the good 1271 01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,920 guy. Eventually, he's gonna rise up against his dad and all this stuff. 1272 01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:57,279 And I feel like it never really surprised me in what was happening with 1273 01:11:57,399 --> 01:12:00,640 him, So I guess that's where I didn't connect with him. Him far 1274 01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:02,119 Gurmer. I liked him, you know, he's a cool guy. He's 1275 01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:05,159 like a father figure in this in this lost place, a father figure that 1276 01:12:05,239 --> 01:12:11,920 Seua desperately needs, given her a very toxic father. And then Astra. 1277 01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:13,840 It's a weird one because, as you mentioned, she's the one that like, 1278 01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,720 yeah, pops in way later in the game, and like the first 1279 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,760 time you meet her, you're hanging out with her, and then there's like 1280 01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,960 a combat sequence and she just leaves you. She just abandons you, and 1281 01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:24,800 then you stumble upon her again timids later. So I feel like immediately I 1282 01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:27,399 was like, fuck this character, Like she just abandoned me. I don't 1283 01:12:27,439 --> 01:12:30,520 care about her. I don't want to protect her. There's a point that 1284 01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:33,520 I found pretty strangers when you go into the woods. I thought this sequence 1285 01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,680 is pretty fun. Visually, I think it looked amazing and you're going through 1286 01:12:38,079 --> 01:12:40,640 and then eventually like you're because you're with your whole crew at this point. 1287 01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:44,039 And then at some point I was always turning around to see make sure they 1288 01:12:44,079 --> 01:12:45,960 were with me, and then at some point they just they go missing in 1289 01:12:46,039 --> 01:12:47,960 the woods, you know, and you're all on your own. I thought 1290 01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:50,359 it was good that they kind of they got they tricked me in that way, 1291 01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,159 and you're going around eventually find them. They feel like they've kind of 1292 01:12:54,279 --> 01:12:58,239 lost themselves a little bit, or maybe they're like starting to feel the effects 1293 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:01,079 of psychosis. It's kind of on exactly what's happening. But you get to 1294 01:13:01,159 --> 01:13:03,840 a moment where you have to choose between Fargarmer and Asterid, and like, 1295 01:13:04,319 --> 01:13:06,159 ooh, which one do you want to save? Do you want to go 1296 01:13:06,279 --> 01:13:09,920 up the river or do you want to go down the river? Which one? 1297 01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,960 Yeah? And so you pick one, but then like thirty seconds later 1298 01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:15,960 you encounter the other one again. And then like there never seems to be 1299 01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,640 any consequence to that, And I don't know if it was like supposed to 1300 01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,479 be really tugged at my heartstrings. But for me, I kind of hated 1301 01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:25,399 Astrod if she abandoned me, and Fargarmer always had my back, so it 1302 01:13:25,479 --> 01:13:28,279 was an easy decision for me, and I didn't really care if I had 1303 01:13:28,319 --> 01:13:30,840 to leave her behind. So I thought that was a weird moment that I 1304 01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,960 don't know, maybe it ties into some moment, like some decision that affects 1305 01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:38,159 something later on, but from what I could tell, like nothing really seemed 1306 01:13:38,199 --> 01:13:40,439 to happen in that way. So I was a little confused by that moment. 1307 01:13:41,039 --> 01:13:42,680 Yeah, I picked the same when you did, because I'm like, 1308 01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:45,039 Okay, it's the journey that I think my character's on here. But I 1309 01:13:45,119 --> 01:13:49,279 think that's where I thought, oh, we're gonna it's it's different, because 1310 01:13:49,279 --> 01:13:51,960 I thought, oh, this is where maybe we're gonna get something quite different 1311 01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:54,720 with the game. But then I still thought of the run time. I 1312 01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,119 thought, well, you can't, like, there's not that much to me. 1313 01:13:57,199 --> 01:13:59,800 This would have been an element that you'd introduce our one and then go 1314 01:13:59,880 --> 01:14:01,119 oh, oh, there's gonna be like some you know, choose your own 1315 01:14:01,119 --> 01:14:05,560 adventure type of type of like telltale situations here, which I think wouldn't be 1316 01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,199 bad for this type of game. That could have been a good angle for 1317 01:14:09,399 --> 01:14:12,560 help a two of like, hey, we can't exactly recapture the first one, 1318 01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:15,399 so let's do it a little bit differently. But no, it was 1319 01:14:15,479 --> 01:14:16,640 kind of a misopportunity. I don't know if it was trying to do like 1320 01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:19,079 the kind of lie to you again thing, like with the first game of 1321 01:14:19,159 --> 01:14:23,319 Oh if you you die too many times, so I think maybe trying to 1322 01:14:23,399 --> 01:14:28,159 hit on that, but that that mechanics just so good where you can't rate 1323 01:14:28,279 --> 01:14:30,000 recreate that that way. I'm not sure if it plays anything differently. I 1324 01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:34,000 have heard that if you replay the game, it's a different narrator, So 1325 01:14:34,319 --> 01:14:38,760 not that I'm going to be but I don't think you would play anything to 1326 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,479 it. But that is a cool fact, which I think is cool. 1327 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:45,680 So yeah, I saw that. There's I think three separate options there. 1328 01:14:45,119 --> 01:14:48,079 Oh really, it's like Senua, it's your companions, and I think the 1329 01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:53,000 other one is I don't know if it's your father, but someone who's like 1330 01:14:53,119 --> 01:14:56,119 not in the actual story. It's like some it's like almost just like a 1331 01:14:57,079 --> 01:15:00,800 storybook narrator, like some omniscient presence or something. And I'm pretty sure, 1332 01:15:00,039 --> 01:15:01,840 so I think that's really cool. I mean, this is not a game 1333 01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,399 I really want to replay because of the gameplay of it, but I think 1334 01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:09,279 that's a really interesting thing that's there. And I did watch them YouTube videos 1335 01:15:09,319 --> 01:15:12,720 of like certain moments that I kind of wanted to see what different narration would 1336 01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:15,039 be like for specific things when I was more curious on what was going on 1337 01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:19,399 there. Speaking of that, I want to I want to jump to this 1338 01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:23,880 right away, which is, you know, we had that great conversation in 1339 01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:27,880 the first game of talking about like what's real and what's not, and I 1340 01:15:28,119 --> 01:15:31,800 just found that to be a lot muddier in this game because there are other 1341 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,880 characters. In that first one, you could make a case that there are 1342 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:38,960 actual people that you're fighting, but then like Senua is seeing it as like 1343 01:15:39,039 --> 01:15:41,359 these monsters and whatnot. You can make a case for that, but there's 1344 01:15:41,399 --> 01:15:45,479 really no evidence at any point that there's ever actually humans on this whole journey. 1345 01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,880 She just goes to an isolated island, right, But in this game, 1346 01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,640 it's like it seems like it has to be the case that these people 1347 01:15:51,640 --> 01:15:56,399 are real, Like there's no way that all of these people are figurements of 1348 01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:58,680 her imagination, right, Like, I think, if that is the case, 1349 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,560 then that seems like a real the weird stretch that like she's created like 1350 01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,840 hundreds of people in this world, so I have to assume they're real. 1351 01:16:06,359 --> 01:16:11,479 But then I feel like that really throws off some of the story points for 1352 01:16:11,600 --> 01:16:15,199 me, and particularly like I love the concept that the slave master guy like 1353 01:16:15,319 --> 01:16:19,600 created the idea of these giants to create the fear so that people would follow 1354 01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:23,760 him and see him as their leader. But to me, it makes no 1355 01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:29,840 sense whatsoever that everyone in this world believed that these giants were real even though 1356 01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,119 no one has ever seen them. And I know it's supposed to be like 1357 01:16:31,239 --> 01:16:36,479 natural disasters and they're kind of adding the personality of those, But then there's 1358 01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:39,640 certain sequences. I know, I'm going over the place here where we can 1359 01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:43,039 break it all down. Like there's one point where you're fighting that giant in 1360 01:16:43,159 --> 01:16:45,479 like the watery cave and you're chasing it. He's like following you out and 1361 01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:48,560 then you like throw spears at him, and then he follows him out, 1362 01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,279 and then you go into the sequence. But it's like, are all those 1363 01:16:51,359 --> 01:16:55,760 people then, like, are all those people think of them for animation? 1364 01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,079 Because I think because Fargroomer's there too, So is it just like a different 1365 01:16:59,760 --> 01:17:02,039 far rumor that's in that sequence, like an imaginary one like that. It 1366 01:17:02,079 --> 01:17:04,199 gets way too confusing for me, So I don't know, maybe you can 1367 01:17:04,319 --> 01:17:08,720 shed some light on it. But how did you feel about that angle of 1368 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:11,279 the kind of is it real or is it not? Well? Yeah, 1369 01:17:11,279 --> 01:17:13,399 I think if it was a kind of look at both of them, I 1370 01:17:13,479 --> 01:17:16,960 think you could play the case of it is a mix and match the same 1371 01:17:16,960 --> 01:17:19,479 way we said, like all these people are there, but maybe they're in 1372 01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:23,560 this monster type of form. I think there's tons of stuff of her when 1373 01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,520 she's in the cave. She's also in like different worlds, even some of 1374 01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,520 the giant aspects where you could say, okay, most of the stuff is 1375 01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,520 real, but even the fight with the father at the end right where that 1376 01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,239 could be real, but all this other stuff's going on. But at the 1377 01:17:34,279 --> 01:17:39,479 same time, because the characters all stem from almost something that she's been through, 1378 01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:43,079 that's where I could see it's almost a like an inception moment where the 1379 01:17:43,199 --> 01:17:48,920 I can't remember what they call Elliott Page's character and that gosh, remember architect, 1380 01:17:49,039 --> 01:17:55,319 right, the architect? Yeah, so the way sure, that seeing 1381 01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,319 the Dad, like the evil giant Dad at the end is like all these 1382 01:17:58,359 --> 01:18:01,079 other characters. There's a kingdom, but it's also playing off something that's happened 1383 01:18:01,119 --> 01:18:04,479 to her, So she's almost could be filling in like the filling in the 1384 01:18:04,560 --> 01:18:09,359 blank of thinking about, oh, this guy would have this dad and he's 1385 01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:12,520 kind of like this architect and it's doing X, Y and Z. So 1386 01:18:12,640 --> 01:18:15,199 that's where for me, I could buy that you could say, oh, 1387 01:18:15,239 --> 01:18:17,039 it's all made up, but I think it's a bit more like a bit 1388 01:18:17,119 --> 01:18:21,159 more unlike the first game, where I think there's things that could have happened, 1389 01:18:21,239 --> 01:18:26,159 but there is more the first game, I think it was linear as 1390 01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:28,720 far as lots of stuff could not be real, but it's all happening at 1391 01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:30,960 the same time. It almost feels like there's little breaks of okay, this 1392 01:18:30,119 --> 01:18:33,279 is the unreal section, and how we're back to the real section. But 1393 01:18:33,359 --> 01:18:35,600 then, like I said, I could see a perspective where it's almost like 1394 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:41,880 an inside out where these three characters are just certain personalities and the giants, 1395 01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,279 the bad guys, the Dad, those are certain architects like that are bad 1396 01:18:45,399 --> 01:18:48,119 things for her. So I think there's some stuff from what I gleamed on 1397 01:18:48,199 --> 01:18:50,880 from this story in the last story where I go, Okay, I could 1398 01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:55,239 see, now it's a very big world. That's that you're constructing a very 1399 01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,359 high octane lots of people, lots of them. It's like you're making a 1400 01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,840 video game, but you know it's a Heiden world. So I could I 1401 01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:03,960 agree with you that might be a little bit more messy, but I could 1402 01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:09,960 see some sort of uh, some patterns there, I guess to get me 1403 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,800 to that point. So with the giant, like the giants not being real, 1404 01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,399 that being a creation, is that something you saw coming or was that 1405 01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:19,760 at the reveal when you when it made sense to you that all clicked into 1406 01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:24,800 place. Yeah, No, I I guess I didn't really think about that 1407 01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:27,760 because I just didn't really think about the giants being real yet either. So 1408 01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:30,720 that's where I didn't analyze it too much because it's like we're seeing as we're 1409 01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:32,720 hearing the tomboat, but it's like one is it an urban myth too? 1410 01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,600 Is this just still in her head and these people are talking about a giant, 1411 01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:41,079 but they're just fueling her thoughts. So I didn't think of the dad 1412 01:19:41,199 --> 01:19:43,279 saying, oh, I've created this thing about the giants. But at the 1413 01:19:43,319 --> 01:19:46,680 same point, I wasn't. I wasn't looking into it because of the way 1414 01:19:46,760 --> 01:19:48,920 her mind works. I didn't want to look into because it might not. 1415 01:19:49,279 --> 01:19:53,479 It's like an unreliable narrator, right, So it's hard to think about it 1416 01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,800 and a like I could at any point think about all the giants not real 1417 01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:58,720 and be like, yeah, okay, just even in the sense of the 1418 01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:01,479 dad didn't say like all this is, I could believe that because of certain 1419 01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:03,920 things she's gone through. So yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't something I 1420 01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,880 caught, but it wasn't something I was diving too much into as well, 1421 01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:11,840 either, Right, So yeah, it's really just that cave scene with the 1422 01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:15,039 spears getting thrown at that one giant. Like, to me, that's just 1423 01:20:15,079 --> 01:20:16,880 like a damning plot hole moment. It's really hard for me to get over 1424 01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:21,079 that. In terms of other characters not realizing this, or like, you 1425 01:20:21,159 --> 01:20:25,880 know, a world where everyone in this world has psychosis and they're all like 1426 01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:27,880 seeing things, you know, that could makes sense. I guess there's the 1427 01:20:27,920 --> 01:20:31,000 idea of like, I know, the shared consciousness if you people are saying 1428 01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,720 that you start to do and whatnot. Yeah, yeah, but like there's 1429 01:20:33,720 --> 01:20:36,560 a difference between like, oh, there's some rumblings in the ground, and 1430 01:20:36,680 --> 01:20:40,680 that makes sense, Oh maybe it's a giant hitting us from underneath. But 1431 01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:45,239 like if we're all throwing spears at a giant thing, like like what are 1432 01:20:45,279 --> 01:20:47,840 we talking about here? Like I don't understand how that's supposed to make any 1433 01:20:47,960 --> 01:20:51,680 sense, but I one thing I really did like about that is kind of 1434 01:20:53,399 --> 01:20:57,319 the way that connects with the first game and how Hella in that game is 1435 01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,680 a giant very much like this, and we talk about how it's like, 1436 01:21:00,720 --> 01:21:04,199 Okay, maybe that's what the story is telling us there is that like Senua 1437 01:21:04,319 --> 01:21:08,399 is seeing herself in Hella, and that's who like she's going to become if 1438 01:21:08,439 --> 01:21:11,640 she goes down this path, down this darkness. And I think that is 1439 01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,159 like something that was really well done in the first game, and I really 1440 01:21:14,279 --> 01:21:17,680 like the idea that we're kind of taking that idea more here, where like 1441 01:21:17,800 --> 01:21:21,560 these people that are alive in this world, like they come up with these 1442 01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:25,800 characters of these other people that become the giants, and presumably those people just 1443 01:21:25,880 --> 01:21:29,039 like died in a cave somewhere, right, and that's where they went and 1444 01:21:29,159 --> 01:21:31,279 that's why their body was never found or something, and then people kind of 1445 01:21:31,399 --> 01:21:34,640 imagine them to be these giants, but I think it's an interesting idea. 1446 01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:39,800 And that was when something before the reveal happened of all these giants are actually 1447 01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,920 really like I wondered, is that something that's going to happen to Senuel in 1448 01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:45,159 this game? Like are we going to go down this dark path and like 1449 01:21:45,279 --> 01:21:50,920 turn into a giant ourself, whether that's whether that's an imagined thing or a 1450 01:21:51,039 --> 01:21:56,239 real thing, if the giants actually are a literal thing in this world. 1451 01:21:56,319 --> 01:22:00,680 So I really liked that kind of mirroring between Hella the Giant in the first 1452 01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,239 game in the Giants here. And then I also thought was really cool that 1453 01:22:03,359 --> 01:22:09,079 the final boss fight isn't against a giant, like you're singing cool like flashes 1454 01:22:09,119 --> 01:22:11,880 and weird imagery and stuff. Yeah, but I like that you're just fighting 1455 01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,479 the guy at that point, which is, you know, very symbolic of 1456 01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:16,880 what's to happen. So it's it's like, yeah, some of these parts 1457 01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,359 are like really really well done, and I just I just find it hard 1458 01:22:19,439 --> 01:22:23,920 to connect all the dots in a really cohesive way. So I don't know, 1459 01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:28,079 maybe I need to, like hear the developers explain their perspective or something 1460 01:22:28,119 --> 01:22:30,239 and get some other takes. Maybe even just these other narrators could honestly fill 1461 01:22:30,279 --> 01:22:33,319 in the gap. So maybe I'll check out some more of those YouTube videos. 1462 01:22:33,319 --> 01:22:39,520 I don't know, Yeah, I guess, you know, talking about 1463 01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:42,720 some of those moments. Like I thought though the sequences when you are fighting, 1464 01:22:43,960 --> 01:22:45,920 you're not really fighting the giants, but you're more like, Okay, 1465 01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:47,600 you find about their identity and you're going to go through this sequence. I 1466 01:22:47,640 --> 01:22:50,840 thought they were cool prime. I think the level one was my preferred between 1467 01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:54,680 the two. I thought it was cool hide him on them Laba and like 1468 01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:59,399 smashing those giant chains was really cool. And that character was so freaking creepy 1469 01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:02,600 the way she would like exorcism, like contort upside down and all around spinner 1470 01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:06,199 and bad teeth too when she was got closer. They're sharp and jagged and 1471 01:23:06,319 --> 01:23:11,119 whatnot. Yeah, that sequence was brutal, But I like both of those 1472 01:23:11,159 --> 01:23:15,720 giant sequences. I thought they kind of matched the epic and nature that they 1473 01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,319 needed to with, like the environment element of it. So yeah, no, 1474 01:23:18,399 --> 01:23:20,840 I like those. I like it. It's the only thing that it's 1475 01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:24,840 you gotta do what you gotta do. But it felt funny where the Lava 1476 01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:28,119 one and the Water one they felt very similar in the layout. It's felt 1477 01:23:28,199 --> 01:23:30,880 like because it's just like even like little rocks in the ground and where the 1478 01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:32,359 giants were, and that it was like everything else around it was different. 1479 01:23:32,399 --> 01:23:35,720 But I still love them both, Definitely the Lava one because they feel like 1480 01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:39,760 they didn't do more of this. We wanted them, like that one hell 1481 01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,800 section in the last game. We want more of that, and I was 1482 01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:44,760 like, oh, we're gonna get here. We really didn't. And even 1483 01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,920 though it wasn't as trippy, so but I enjoyed that. It just like 1484 01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,960 the color of it just looked I'm not in the sinking with the explosions to 1485 01:23:51,119 --> 01:23:55,319 Yeah, such a cool moment. And again I think it's one of those 1486 01:23:55,319 --> 01:23:59,680 things that's like we didn't mention, but it's just like we talked about a 1487 01:23:59,720 --> 01:24:01,840 bunch of the first game, like the audio design again just flawless and home 1488 01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,159 run stuff. You know, it's like they're there. I don't talk about 1489 01:24:05,159 --> 01:24:10,560 because I don't have enough descriptive words to talk about how good it is. 1490 01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:13,039 And I hope they win a lot of technical stuff down the road, but 1491 01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:15,159 yeah, just even visuals they make you look like it's worn there. But 1492 01:24:15,239 --> 01:24:17,079 yeah, I think my stand ups were Yeah, that one, I like 1493 01:24:17,159 --> 01:24:23,439 the water one. I really liked after the after the level and there's like 1494 01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,239 a kind of it was back and forth. It was almost like a northern 1495 01:24:26,319 --> 01:24:29,760 light. Soort of sequences where the sky was very kind of rainbuish and stuff, 1496 01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:31,880 and it's good because the moment the game doesn't think do a good job. 1497 01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,119 The first one did that too, where there'll be big moments and then 1498 01:24:34,159 --> 01:24:39,560 you kind of have a some quietness going on. The cave I liked for 1499 01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:41,800 the most part. I think I was in there a little too long. 1500 01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:45,439 I think they could have cut it down. But there's some really cool just 1501 01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:47,079 like you put an orb there and then just lights up and everything. So 1502 01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:51,039 I again visually saying, but there's also just some sequences that are very good 1503 01:24:51,079 --> 01:24:55,199 where I think the first you know, as you say, the first two 1504 01:24:55,239 --> 01:24:57,680 hours, but even then I'll give credit to like the boat crash scene. 1505 01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:01,039 I really liked that with the waves crashing and you're bumping into innocent people or 1506 01:25:01,079 --> 01:25:04,760 the slavers you gotta fight. I think that's a really good opening as well. 1507 01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:06,920 So maybe it's a bit more underrated moment of the game, but I 1508 01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:11,640 enjoyed that. Yeah, it's funny. I feel like we're very similar in 1509 01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:14,319 some ways and total opposites. It's like just on everything today, the state 1510 01:25:14,359 --> 01:25:17,079 of play this. But I think that the cave was my favorite sequence. 1511 01:25:17,079 --> 01:25:19,279 I know you liked it. You just went yea too long, but I 1512 01:25:19,399 --> 01:25:23,840 just thought, like, visually, I love just I love in a situation 1513 01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:27,159 like when you just keep going down and down and down and down. It's 1514 01:25:27,279 --> 01:25:30,520 very like dark souls kind of thing too. But I just really liked that. 1515 01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:32,680 I really like the visuals, and I think those are my favorite puzzles 1516 01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:39,079 with like the braziers that you're kind of putting extinguishing and re lighting to create 1517 01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:42,920 new pathways and whatnot. I thought those whole sequences worked pretty well for me. 1518 01:25:43,439 --> 01:25:45,000 And then yeah, I just like the creepiness of like those little creatures 1519 01:25:45,039 --> 01:25:48,359 that were down there. Yeah, yeah, that was a really fun sequence 1520 01:25:48,439 --> 01:25:56,159 as well. Another another element with the story. So jumping to that monologue 1521 01:25:56,199 --> 01:25:58,840 that I mentioned at the end, you know, maybe I gotta listen to 1522 01:25:58,880 --> 01:26:00,359 it again, but like, and it's pretty long, but yeah, Senya 1523 01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:04,560 was talking about like we are we are not our parents, Like we can 1524 01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:12,439 make our own choices and do our own take, But like, what does 1525 01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:15,279 that have to do with the game that I just played for eight hours? 1526 01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:18,720 Like I know the slave master guy and he like rebelled against his dad, 1527 01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:24,000 but like was that? How was that Senua's Journey? Because I know the 1528 01:26:24,079 --> 01:26:27,560 dad's in this game again, uh you know, he's talking a little bit, 1529 01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:30,800 not as much as the first game. But I just felt like this 1530 01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,000 was not the central theme of this game. But I don't really know why 1531 01:26:32,039 --> 01:26:35,960 this is part of like the final monologue as you see us on the way 1532 01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:39,159 out here, it seems like a really weird place to leave off. So 1533 01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:42,239 I feel like I was maybe just missing some context, like maybe Astroid and 1534 01:26:42,399 --> 01:26:45,119 Fargarmer all had like some element about this to the character as well, But 1535 01:26:45,239 --> 01:26:48,760 I just felt like it seemed really out of place and strange. No, 1536 01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,319 I agree, That's where I said. I felt like it was again patting 1537 01:26:51,399 --> 01:26:55,079 the first one of that's the journey went on, and it comes into a 1538 01:26:55,199 --> 01:26:58,800 very tough situation, right because it's this whole thing while she's not going to 1539 01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:01,159 execute this and she's not gonna be your dad, but at the same time, 1540 01:27:01,239 --> 01:27:04,319 it's like one. You kill a lot of people in this game, 1541 01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:09,199 asking them and also at the very bed of the game, you know, 1542 01:27:09,239 --> 01:27:12,720 at the very beginning, but once you the slaver's son, you get them. 1543 01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:15,079 There's a more where she ties them up and says, oh, you 1544 01:27:15,159 --> 01:27:15,960 know, how do you like it? But she thinks about killing him, 1545 01:27:16,239 --> 01:27:19,920 so already in the first act of the game, she's choosing not to just 1546 01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:26,079 blood, you know. So that's where I think the theme they should hit 1547 01:27:26,119 --> 01:27:30,640 on more was the what others go through and how you can help one another 1548 01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:32,279 and be there for one another. I think there is still a theme of 1549 01:27:32,399 --> 01:27:35,640 not being your you know, your father's son, or the sins of your 1550 01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:40,199 father passing that. I think they could have just made that his journey almost 1551 01:27:40,319 --> 01:27:43,720 and her echoing that and treating that like I think her journey could have been 1552 01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,439 helping other people and realizing that not so much like, oh you don't want 1553 01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:49,960 to be a killer, just that Okay, yes, it's great to look 1554 01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:53,720 after yourself, but if there's others that need your help, you can give 1555 01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:56,520 them a lending hand. And then it kind of is a Jena say, 1556 01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:58,880 quad goes all the way around. So I think I like those things, 1557 01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,000 but I agree with you when we got to that it gets muddy, because 1558 01:28:01,079 --> 01:28:03,640 I think they were it's tough in a game, And that's where I said, 1559 01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:05,800 with the combat, maybe take out some of it, because it's tough 1560 01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:10,039 in a game where you're killing people. Because I think the story beats of 1561 01:28:10,159 --> 01:28:13,880 her not killing him and tying him up first, and then along the journey 1562 01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:16,359 her trying to help the giants set free instead of killing them. They all 1563 01:28:16,439 --> 01:28:19,239 fit, but then the combat of the game, you got to execute people 1564 01:28:19,319 --> 01:28:24,319 your slitting throats, So it's kind of a it's kind of a mishmash of 1565 01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:28,319 this doesn't exactly line up. So I agree with that. The ending monologue, 1566 01:28:28,359 --> 01:28:30,680 even though well acted, well written, it's visually very cool going on, 1567 01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:35,640 I feel like it doesn't exactly work here. So I also felt that 1568 01:28:35,720 --> 01:28:41,640 way too. There is a multiple moments where, especially early on in the 1569 01:28:41,680 --> 01:28:45,279 game, where you're going through the sandy beaches, as you crash onto the 1570 01:28:45,319 --> 01:28:47,199 shore and like people are dying left, right, and center, and the 1571 01:28:47,319 --> 01:28:51,159 voices and like your father's voice are being like you let these people die. 1572 01:28:51,199 --> 01:28:55,359 It's all your fault, and it's like that doesn't make any sense, Like, 1573 01:28:55,399 --> 01:28:57,560 yeah, there's a couple of people that maybe I could have saved I 1574 01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,680 was a bit quicker or something, but for the most part, like I 1575 01:29:00,039 --> 01:29:02,800 I am objectively saving more people than who would have all just died were I 1576 01:29:02,920 --> 01:29:05,279 not here, And so, you know, I know in her head that 1577 01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:09,039 guilt would still, you know, weigh on your mind to some extent, 1578 01:29:09,079 --> 01:29:11,399 but I just felt like it was pressing the issue a bit too much. 1579 01:29:11,439 --> 01:29:14,479 Of like, I never really felt like like it would have been more impactful 1580 01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:16,960 if they threw a really difficult combine encounter at you, and if you didn't 1581 01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:20,239 perform well in it, someone did die in front of you, and then 1582 01:29:20,279 --> 01:29:23,319 it's like, Okay, now lay the guilt on, because I feel like 1583 01:29:23,319 --> 01:29:25,760 it's a bit more earned at that point. But if you're just like having 1584 01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,079 a cut scene of someone dying two hundred feet from me, it's like, 1585 01:29:28,279 --> 01:29:30,079 there's no way I, possibly in any world, could have saved that person. 1586 01:29:30,199 --> 01:29:34,079 So that guilt angle isn't really working for me. I think the only 1587 01:29:34,119 --> 01:29:38,920 reason that works somewhat for me is just because in the first game they established 1588 01:29:38,920 --> 01:29:42,439 it that the dad is someone that took advantage of her mental health. So 1589 01:29:42,520 --> 01:29:45,640 I feel like that's something that people do in real life where oh you didn't, 1590 01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:47,840 you had nothing to do with this. But I can hit on this 1591 01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:51,760 and make you feel really bad and make you twist it so that that's where 1592 01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:56,079 it's still worked for me. I think this guy is he is a just 1593 01:29:57,079 --> 01:30:00,680 a twister of emotions. And I was surprised if we didn't get too we 1594 01:30:00,760 --> 01:30:03,840 told about the first game, we didn't get much of those like people in 1595 01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:09,720 real life in the game, not really out Yeah, the live action sequences. 1596 01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:11,439 I didn't even think about that, but you're right, Yeah, we 1597 01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:13,800 didn't get any of that, so I thought there's a couple opportunities to do 1598 01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:15,479 that. So that stuff all over for me. But I just mentioned that 1599 01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:19,479 because the dad the son was like a cloaked figure for most of the game 1600 01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:23,479 in this one, and you look like an od school pretty much. Yeah, 1601 01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:25,680 I'm more like just recognize his voice, but I never even thought about 1602 01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:29,199 physically. I didn't really see him at all. Yeah, yeah, how 1603 01:30:29,199 --> 01:30:31,640 about we take our next break. We'll be right back for some more hell 1604 01:30:31,800 --> 01:30:38,840 Blade. Okay, we are back. So early on in this game, 1605 01:30:39,039 --> 01:30:42,760 you go through a little town, which I thought was I just like going 1606 01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:44,880 through little towns, so I like this little town here. That's when you 1607 01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:47,640 tie up the slave master guy. And then you're going around and then you 1608 01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:51,199 come across some ruins, and I was like, oh god, I'm gonna 1609 01:30:51,199 --> 01:30:55,640 fucking hate this game. Like I'm seeing the ruins already. So you go 1610 01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:59,000 do a room puzzle, but then thankfully, like I don't think you really 1611 01:30:59,079 --> 01:31:01,000 do another one for a bit, and the game never really does over use 1612 01:31:01,039 --> 01:31:04,119 them, and I thought that was really nice. But I think they made 1613 01:31:04,199 --> 01:31:08,600 up for that, you know, if someone was missing that from the first 1614 01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:11,159 game, I was not. I thought one thing that I loved in this 1615 01:31:11,319 --> 01:31:13,920 is they still the lower Stones or you can go around and read those and 1616 01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:16,000 that same guy we'll talk to you and filling you into stuff. But then 1617 01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:19,119 they also had these tree I don't know what they're called, but there are 1618 01:31:19,119 --> 01:31:23,720 little trees that you go and find a little sapling essentially hidden away, and 1619 01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:27,880 that is another character's voice giving you other lower stone type stuff. But I 1620 01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:30,399 thought those were so cool where they always hidden behind this face in the environment, 1621 01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:32,800 and so you'd go around and in the rocks you'd be like, oh, 1622 01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,000 that kind of looks like a face a little bit, and then you 1623 01:31:35,119 --> 01:31:38,880 focus on it and then it kind of like in a very inception way, 1624 01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:42,079 like zooms out and then it turns into like a hallway that you can walk 1625 01:31:42,199 --> 01:31:45,279 down. That was cool every single time, and I love that it was 1626 01:31:45,359 --> 01:31:48,640 not a mandatory thing that's like, oh yeah, fuck ground in this environment 1627 01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:51,600 for twenty minutes until you find the one specific thing that we want you to 1628 01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:56,119 look at from the specific angle. But instead, like I'm in my head 1629 01:31:56,159 --> 01:31:58,760 always tripping out playing this game, like oh, is that a face over 1630 01:31:59,079 --> 01:32:00,319 No, that's not a face. That some random tree over there? Then 1631 01:32:00,359 --> 01:32:03,079 oh maybe I would actually find one and I'd go down this cool path. 1632 01:32:03,159 --> 01:32:06,000 So to me, that's like that took the lesson of like, yes, 1633 01:32:06,239 --> 01:32:10,800 perspective, puzzles can be cool, but if they're forced upon you and you 1634 01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:13,840 have to go find them, they're a lot less impactful than like if you're 1635 01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:16,359 just playing naturally and seeing something out of the corner of your eye and it's 1636 01:32:16,439 --> 01:32:19,079 like in the back of your head constantly like oh am I seeing this thing? 1637 01:32:19,119 --> 01:32:21,479 Am I not? And I don't know about you, but like it 1638 01:32:21,560 --> 01:32:26,399 has the little counters of how many you've got, like lights up a certain 1639 01:32:26,439 --> 01:32:30,279 symbol. I missed so many lore stones in this game, and almost all 1640 01:32:30,359 --> 01:32:31,720 the trees too, like there are so many I didn't see in the lower 1641 01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:35,239 stones. Secondly hidden in the first game, they were more just like on 1642 01:32:35,359 --> 01:32:39,239 the side of your critical path, so they hit them a lot better this 1643 01:32:39,359 --> 01:32:41,920 time. Yeah, no, I can't work because I did a couple of 1644 01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:45,279 those, but I was trying just to track along make sure it's there. 1645 01:32:45,319 --> 01:32:48,199 But I think it's cool to have because I think it is something too that, 1646 01:32:48,760 --> 01:32:50,439 like we said, if you want to do, if you really like 1647 01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:53,600 the game and want to do a second play through, then that stuff to 1648 01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:56,199 really look up for you can take your time anymore. But I think the 1649 01:32:56,319 --> 01:32:59,479 stone faces were very cool because the very first like like you said, there's 1650 01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:00,880 one and two clear. I can't remember where it was, but it was 1651 01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:04,960 almost like a darker scene and it's the same thing like is that a face? 1652 01:33:05,159 --> 01:33:08,279 Is that not a face? And stuff, and it was a face. 1653 01:33:08,319 --> 01:33:10,439 Once I got there, it looked more. But it's a it's a 1654 01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:14,000 fun thing I think in this game, especially with the giants having bigger features, 1655 01:33:14,079 --> 01:33:15,920 it kind of fits with that theme too, of like big rocks and 1656 01:33:16,039 --> 01:33:19,479 in the first game you're always seen your mother's face and different rocks. Yeah, 1657 01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:23,479 that kind of brings those scenes to life. Yeah, so I think 1658 01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:27,680 it worked. Mm hmm, yeah, I and I think the other mistake 1659 01:33:27,720 --> 01:33:29,920 here in like the first game, we talked about this, where you do 1660 01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:30,920 the lower Stone, the guy would be talking to you, but if you 1661 01:33:31,119 --> 01:33:34,119 want wander too far away, even if there's no other dialogue or story stuff, 1662 01:33:34,359 --> 01:33:38,640 it would fade out. These ones, if you go a meter away, 1663 01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:41,319 it immediately fades out and you can't listen to it. So I didn't 1664 01:33:41,319 --> 01:33:43,880 really listen to any of these. So but from what I did listen to, 1665 01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,159 because I tried listen to the tree ones because I was curious how those 1666 01:33:46,199 --> 01:33:50,319 would differ. Once again, I didn't really see that connecting much with like 1667 01:33:50,399 --> 01:33:53,840 the narrative that was going on. And maybe it's because I was missing a 1668 01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:56,800 lot, whereas in the first game, I got almost all of them just 1669 01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:59,560 because they were kind of in obvious spots. But I don't know, did 1670 01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:01,520 you ever when you did find one of those, listen to those you get 1671 01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:05,159 any interesting tidbits or lore from the no I listened to a couple and then 1672 01:34:05,199 --> 01:34:08,760 I was on my I was on my way because I feel like they are 1673 01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:13,640 good, but not good again, I just wish they played while we continue 1674 01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:15,479 to walk. You know, they'd be the best thing, but I get 1675 01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:20,000 it. It's good immersion. So another thing that I found interesting, like 1676 01:34:20,119 --> 01:34:23,960 the first game, as we talked about, it's like pretty much a one 1677 01:34:24,079 --> 01:34:27,119 shot game, kind of like Got War in that it's like one extended this 1678 01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:30,479 this game is not that case. In fact, there's like three or four 1679 01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:32,760 time jump sequences, and each of them are just like a couple hours pass 1680 01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:35,159 and you journey down the road, and it doesn't really explicitly say that, 1681 01:34:35,239 --> 01:34:39,359 but it just feels like it. But I always thought they were visually really 1682 01:34:39,439 --> 01:34:42,399 cool, and they kind of kept that one shot angle to it where sen 1683 01:34:42,439 --> 01:34:46,119 you would be looking out at some horizon, some beautiful just rocks and some 1684 01:34:46,359 --> 01:34:49,680 beautiful environment islands, and then like the camera would like zoom out into the 1685 01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:54,039 sky was like a bird's eye view and just zoom around this beautiful environment and 1686 01:34:54,079 --> 01:34:57,239 then kind of like eventually would zoom back in and send you a new crew 1687 01:34:57,239 --> 01:34:59,760 would have been, you know, a few hours further down the road. 1688 01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:01,920 So I thought that was a really cool, unique way to do a time 1689 01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:05,119 jump sequence, and I'd like to see something like that from like open world 1690 01:35:05,239 --> 01:35:09,800 game open world games that have fast travel to have some element like that where 1691 01:35:09,840 --> 01:35:14,199 it's like almost taking you on that journey artificially rather than just a loading screen. 1692 01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,520 With these consoles in the ability to have really fast loading I think is 1693 01:35:17,560 --> 01:35:20,800 something that I'd like to see other games do. So I really liked that 1694 01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:24,680 visual touch to it. Yeah, it's cool, and I think it was 1695 01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:27,439 fine to not be the one shot kind of in a way they did the 1696 01:35:27,479 --> 01:35:30,520 first game. You don't have to be beholden to that, so I think, 1697 01:35:30,159 --> 01:35:34,159 yeah, it all work there. Yeah, I'm trying to think what 1698 01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:39,079 else. You know, there are other puzzles, but I don't think there's 1699 01:35:39,119 --> 01:35:42,600 much to break down there. Like there's orb ones that kind of flip environments. 1700 01:35:43,039 --> 01:35:45,960 I hope those ones are pretty cool. There's the one that, yeah, 1701 01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:49,039 the braziers, which kind of creates platforms and then remove them. I 1702 01:35:49,079 --> 01:35:51,279 think there's probably less to talk about here than in the first game, because, 1703 01:35:51,319 --> 01:35:55,119 like as you mentioned, they are a lot easier and they're almost more 1704 01:35:55,159 --> 01:35:57,920 like mindless in a way. They're kind of just like busy work. But 1705 01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:00,760 since they're not overused, I never found them tedious or just there for patting, 1706 01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:05,359 So glad issues with any of them, but they all, Uh, 1707 01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:09,720 I don't know they're good enough. I was glad there wasn't like the last 1708 01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:13,079 in abundance of those stupid portals you'd have to walk through and do, like 1709 01:36:13,159 --> 01:36:15,399 the change environments. I think nothing was like it took so long to run 1710 01:36:15,479 --> 01:36:18,520 around just to try and figure it out, which I think was a nice 1711 01:36:18,560 --> 01:36:25,039 improvement there. Yeah, any other points here, Travis, No, And 1712 01:36:25,119 --> 01:36:27,439 like I said, I don't know if I mentioned enough anything I mentioned a 1713 01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:29,840 little bit. Performance is all still great. You know. It's one of 1714 01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:31,279 those things where it's just like I know she's won it before, but it's 1715 01:36:31,359 --> 01:36:34,199 kind of tough that when you get to the game Wars and those things, 1716 01:36:34,279 --> 01:36:39,159 it's like, how else can you compare anything to like this route? It's 1717 01:36:39,199 --> 01:36:42,359 tough, ye, Like what Final Fantasy, Yakuza. I'm trying to think 1718 01:36:42,399 --> 01:36:45,920 the other big story games. I just don't think maybe like that main character 1719 01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:48,279 in Star Wars could have some like moments and stuff. It's like inspiring, 1720 01:36:48,359 --> 01:36:53,760 it's about I just like that guy's always getting to know he's always Yeah, 1721 01:36:54,159 --> 01:36:57,840 Like I just feel like it's such a different level. But yeah, voice, 1722 01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:00,880 especially voice acting too great and she does a good job and I like 1723 01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:03,119 we talked about last week. I'm curiously if she will be in their next 1724 01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:06,479 game or I don't know, she should go and try and an agent to 1725 01:37:06,520 --> 01:37:11,640 maybe try and do some actual real not real not real life but live action 1726 01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,920 acting, you know, like stuff that's in TV shows or Yeah, but 1727 01:37:15,479 --> 01:37:18,279 no, it's all that stuff is very crisp and it's still Again, I 1728 01:37:18,520 --> 01:37:23,760 still think it's like a very well made game from a technical standpoint. So 1729 01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:28,239 I think the specifics that we talk about puzzles, combat, story, I 1730 01:37:28,279 --> 01:37:30,479 don't think there's anything else we haven't hit on that I wouldn't have won hit 1731 01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:36,000 on. Do you want them to make another hull Blade? Nope, not 1732 01:37:36,239 --> 01:37:39,800 with Senya, I'd say, Actually that's what I say. I think you 1733 01:37:39,880 --> 01:37:42,560 could do something in the world, but I don't know if I need another 1734 01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:45,760 of Senya's journey, even if she was made a supporting character. You could 1735 01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:49,199 do something a long time jump of maybe you're the daughter of Senya like something 1736 01:37:49,279 --> 01:37:53,119 like that, but I don't think one. I think a break And that 1737 01:37:53,359 --> 01:37:55,960 sounds stupid to say because the last game was seven years ago, so it's 1738 01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,880 like like not that. It's like all they're pumping out these hellblay games like 1739 01:37:59,239 --> 01:38:00,960 No, just like I think they're working on that new game. Hopefully Xbox 1740 01:38:01,039 --> 01:38:04,439 let them do what they do, because I think they're I think it's just 1741 01:38:04,520 --> 01:38:10,600 like definitely a company that they should provide lots of resources to. And I 1742 01:38:10,640 --> 01:38:13,399 don't think there's anything bad about small games, but I do look at this 1743 01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:16,279 in the first one, I go, I think there's a potential that Xbox 1744 01:38:16,319 --> 01:38:19,319 could have their like Last of Us with these people. But yeah, are 1745 01:38:19,319 --> 01:38:24,079 they getting good for their portfolio? Yeah? There other studios aren't making games 1746 01:38:24,159 --> 01:38:27,199 like this. Yeah, but are they gonna give them that chance to make 1747 01:38:27,239 --> 01:38:29,399 that type of game? I don't know. That's the thing, right, 1748 01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:31,720 game looks expensive while I'm playing it, Yes, And I don't know how 1749 01:38:31,800 --> 01:38:35,119 many people are gonna like there's games Pass then by itself as fifty bucks. 1750 01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:40,760 I personally can say, oh, yeah, it's worth it because the craftsmanship. 1751 01:38:41,039 --> 01:38:43,399 But if you're asking me what he spends fifty bucks on and it's a 1752 01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:45,239 seven hour games like, that's hard for me to pitch you, right, 1753 01:38:45,279 --> 01:38:47,159 that's hard for me to sell you on why you should I would just like 1754 01:38:47,199 --> 01:38:49,840 get games Passed. I'm just saying, if you didn't have games Pass whatever, 1755 01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:54,520 So yeah. The rumor I think is the next game is like a 1756 01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:58,439 whore game, which I'm like, that sounds great like them again some of 1757 01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:01,880 horror that I think could really really do some special stuff. So I hope 1758 01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:05,800 Xbox just supports this team. I hope we're not two years talking about them 1759 01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:10,319 being laid off or they're doing this and on and because I just think the 1760 01:39:10,399 --> 01:39:13,720 war game should ven, but I do think they should. It sounds weird, 1761 01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:15,119 but give them more funds and let them do something big. I think 1762 01:39:15,119 --> 01:39:19,039 they could have. Like I think there is a version. It sounds weird, 1763 01:39:19,079 --> 01:39:23,199 but there is like a last of Us length version of a Helplay game 1764 01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:26,560 that could be the big breakout combat a little bit better, a few little 1765 01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:29,000 things there characters get to flush out. So that's what I mean. The 1766 01:39:29,079 --> 01:39:31,399 Helplay world. I think there's stuff to it. I think it's just that 1767 01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:39,319 maybe not three so And I already thought with her journey specifically, there was 1768 01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:42,640 a risk of what can you cover here? And I think they were close 1769 01:39:42,760 --> 01:39:45,960 enough to I think we have a few examples of maybe there wasn't too much 1770 01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:47,720 meat on the bone that they already hadn't done. So that's why I think 1771 01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:51,800 something in this world, but other situations, characters, places, et cetera. 1772 01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:57,920 So yeah, I don't think I need to see a third game either. 1773 01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:00,479 I do like your idea of switching to another character's perspective, and I 1774 01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:03,880 think it'd be cool if the through line was the mental health angle and the 1775 01:40:04,039 --> 01:40:08,720 character who has some other mental health thing, and that can be like the 1776 01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:13,840 lens from which the character's perspective and story is told and how they grow and 1777 01:40:13,960 --> 01:40:16,840 go and struggle through That I think could be really cool. And I feel 1778 01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:20,760 like the first game too, like it had a not a cliffhanger, since 1779 01:40:20,840 --> 01:40:24,359 like you knew what was gonna happen next, but like Senny was like, 1780 01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:28,399 all right, I'm gonna go do some shit, like she's stories yeah, 1781 01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:30,560 And this game has a bit of that too, where she's like, I 1782 01:40:30,640 --> 01:40:34,520 fight for the people who cannot fight for themselves. But it felt a little 1783 01:40:34,560 --> 01:40:39,600 bit more of like I could see this being the endpoint and being content with 1784 01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:42,279 that was where I think the first game it would be like, oh, 1785 01:40:42,359 --> 01:40:45,239 really, that's it. That's like a bit two cliffhangary for my liking. 1786 01:40:45,399 --> 01:40:48,359 So but at the same time, I think there's enough room there where they 1787 01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:51,439 really could go for a third game, but yeah, I'm kind of wanting 1788 01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:56,159 something new, uh, something different, And yeah, I think like they 1789 01:40:56,439 --> 01:40:59,840 obviously showed their strengths here, but it seems like even before this game, 1790 01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:02,239 like as we talked about in the first hell Blade retro, like, they 1791 01:41:02,279 --> 01:41:06,319 have such a history with intense combat games and I'd just like to see some 1792 01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:09,479 of the stuff because I really like what was here. But I think which 1793 01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:14,359 is more more variety, more depth could be cool. But yeah, even 1794 01:41:14,479 --> 01:41:16,760 just like I don't know, try and do something a little bit different could 1795 01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:20,680 be It could be something nice to see. So yeah, I I'm excited 1796 01:41:20,680 --> 01:41:25,960 to see what they do next. I hope this game has been a success. 1797 01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:29,600 I don't know, like it's hard to gauge with numbers in game Pass 1798 01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:32,000 because Xbox isn't like releasing a lot of numbers these days, and game Pass 1799 01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:35,239 always scuse things. But uh, yeah, I hope this game is a 1800 01:41:35,279 --> 01:41:40,520 big success and I'm excited for their next thing. I think I gave the 1801 01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:45,479 first game a seven, so I think I should give this a six and 1802 01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:48,880 a half, a little bit lower than the first one. Overall, where 1803 01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:51,760 are you at? You want to throw a number? It's tough, so 1804 01:41:51,960 --> 01:41:56,399 like the first game, I give a nine from Mike my standpoint of the 1805 01:41:56,760 --> 01:42:00,399 enjoyment of a game, I think I'm like a seven. But then if 1806 01:42:00,439 --> 01:42:01,800 I were like, if you ask me, like, what's your score of 1807 01:42:01,920 --> 01:42:05,439 like critically, I'd have to go out eight because like the full visuals give 1808 01:42:05,439 --> 01:42:09,199 it like a full point, like is he more than a point? But 1809 01:42:09,199 --> 01:42:12,880 I just feel like a seven feels too low to give it. But because 1810 01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:15,119 I think there's certain things they are doing very well in this game and stuff, 1811 01:42:15,279 --> 01:42:19,520 certain visuals, voice acting that's tippy top stuff, So I wish I 1812 01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:23,479 could get it to a little bit higher. So I'm in that seven eight, 1813 01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:25,880 So I guess maybe I'll just call it a clean seven point five, 1814 01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:29,039 like somewhere meat in the middle if you want to put a you know, 1815 01:42:29,159 --> 01:42:30,880 if I win the lottery and gun to my head. But no, it's 1816 01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:33,600 so good. But I think that I'm not gonna say I would never play 1817 01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:36,159 these games, because maybe there'll be a time in my life where i'd want 1818 01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:40,640 to go back there smaller and maybe if the next game comes out and I 1819 01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:44,640 want a refresher or it's disappointing, I think there's some visuals in here that 1820 01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:47,119 I will want to see again at some point in my life, especially if 1821 01:42:47,159 --> 01:42:50,079 they do like ten years from now, we got better consoles and like, 1822 01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:54,119 oh it's an upscale even you know, you got your eighty K and like, 1823 01:42:54,159 --> 01:42:55,680 oh, what does this look like now? You know? And you 1824 01:42:55,720 --> 01:42:58,680 can play one of the other narrators so you can still get like an exactly 1825 01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:01,319 varied experience. Yeah, so there's some stuff there. So no, I'm 1826 01:43:01,319 --> 01:43:05,800 glad I played these and they are I think I think they are special games. 1827 01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:10,079 But I think it's tough because they are, like we said, they're 1828 01:43:10,079 --> 01:43:16,119 in a very wiggle room of game experience, swoking sim it's its own type 1829 01:43:16,119 --> 01:43:19,880 of genre that's not like a uber popular one. Because we've been talked about 1830 01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:23,640 two weeks ago of def Stranding, where there's tons of people that would say 1831 01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,399 the same thing where oh, I appreciate it, but that's not a good 1832 01:43:26,439 --> 01:43:29,319 game for me because I just don't enjoy playing that type of game, right, 1833 01:43:29,439 --> 01:43:31,319 So that falls in that category. If this is one where if someone 1834 01:43:31,359 --> 01:43:34,600 said this is ten to ten my favorite game the year, I would say, 1835 01:43:34,600 --> 01:43:36,159 oh, I get it. If someone said, oh I hate this 1836 01:43:36,279 --> 01:43:39,640 game, We'll never play again, I kind of get it. Right, 1837 01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:43,039 It's it's not a one size fits all, but I appreciate that, and 1838 01:43:43,079 --> 01:43:45,640 I hope that Xbox lets them do more of that. And I hope that, 1839 01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:48,720 like I said, I think from the visualties we talked about, like 1840 01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:51,800 the Giant, just other things, some of the enemy types, a like 1841 01:43:51,880 --> 01:43:56,199 a game in a horror type of setting. I think they will do Gangbusters 1842 01:43:56,239 --> 01:43:59,159 there. I think that could be really really fun. And again, even 1843 01:43:59,199 --> 01:44:01,479 the audio, this audio, it sometimes is even creepy enough, and it's 1844 01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:04,600 not even sometimes supposed to be creepy. Imagine in a game where you're in 1845 01:44:04,640 --> 01:44:09,159 the dark, even around there a little like, I'm very I'm very excited 1846 01:44:09,159 --> 01:44:11,279 to see what they could do if these rumors are true. So I look 1847 01:44:11,319 --> 01:44:14,479 forward to the future. And I'm happy we did these because we've touble these 1848 01:44:14,479 --> 01:44:16,880 for years. So yeah, definitely, I'm really glad that finally knocked these 1849 01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:19,159 off the lists. I'm glad I've played them, and yeah, it gets 1850 01:44:19,199 --> 01:44:25,319 me excited for Ninja Theori's next title. Thank you everyone for listening, Thank 1851 01:44:25,359 --> 01:44:30,560 you Travis for joining me here on this fun retro inter review combos, and 1852 01:44:30,920 --> 01:44:33,199 uh yeah, we will be back next week for some Summer game Fest and 1853 01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:38,199 Xbox showcase all sorts of stuff, so stay tuned. Thank you for listening, 1854 01:44:38,279 --> 01:44:39,439 see you next time. Byebye