WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:05.559 Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason, this week covering Our Flag Means 2 00:00:05.599 --> 00:00:15.560 Death Season one, Episode one pilot. Ye, welcome to spacy Now. 3 00:00:15.640 --> 00:00:20.199 I'm BB and I'm Jason, and today we will be discussing Our Flag Means 4 00:00:20.239 --> 00:00:23.719 Death. Before we start, you should know this podcast is being released on 5 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:27.039 two different feeds, So if you found it through the Spacing Out with our 6 00:00:27.079 --> 00:00:30.079 Flag Means Death feed, then you are welcome to check out our main feed, 7 00:00:30.120 --> 00:00:33.600 Spacing Out BB and Jason, where you will find this show plus others. 8 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:37.520 We covered all of Battlestar Galactica, some Star Trek, and then we'll 9 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:41.960 continue into other series after we finish this one. And since since this is 10 00:00:41.960 --> 00:00:45.320 a new thing, we're starting here with this show, I figured we should 11 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:50.399 do some introductions again. Oh so, my name is Jason. My pronouns 12 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:55.039 are he slash him, and let's see. I have a background in film 13 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:57.719 because I went to film school and I've been kind of in and out of 14 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:03.040 film production in my career. And then I discovered Our Flag Means Death through 15 00:01:03.200 --> 00:01:08.920 my co host Bby here. Yes, how did you find it? It 16 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:14.760 was on the internet. A lot people were talking about this really cool, 17 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:21.200 like subversive pirate show, and I was like interested in it because I like 18 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:26.760 pirate shows. Like the last good pirate show I saw might have been maybe 19 00:01:26.799 --> 00:01:32.560 like the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise. And I heard that there was a 20 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:37.719 twist in this one that was interesting, and I was like, let's check 21 00:01:37.760 --> 00:01:41.519 it out. And I started watching it and I really enjoyed it. I 22 00:01:41.560 --> 00:01:45.799 thought it had a lot of heart and a lot of like depths of character 23 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:52.519 development, and the cost doing and the production value was really great. So 24 00:01:53.239 --> 00:01:57.680 I'm like a true like a fanattic and now like I love it. I 25 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:04.200 follow all their like meme pages and actors. They were affected by the actor 26 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.959 strike so they couldn't post anything, and then when the actor strike was over, 27 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:13.240 there was like a floodgate of memes from the second season that we're coming 28 00:02:13.280 --> 00:02:16.599 in and like images of them on set that was so exciting to see. 29 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:22.400 But yeah, I just found it online. It was something that was in 30 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:27.639 on my radar, and I think it's part of no spoilers, I guess, 31 00:02:27.680 --> 00:02:31.159 but a little bit of a spoiler. It's like a queer centric show, 32 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:37.840 and I think the queer community really came out for it figuratively and physically. 33 00:02:38.039 --> 00:02:40.840 Yeah. Oh, and I'm I guess I'm not a film person per 34 00:02:40.919 --> 00:02:46.319 se, but I am I love and enjoy film and media in general. 35 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:52.199 Like We've been doing this podcast for a while and I've always I've enjoyed doing 36 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:58.840 it, like talking about the different elements of like what makes a show good 37 00:02:59.080 --> 00:03:02.520 and the writing and all that. So I like this show and I'm excited 38 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:07.080 to get into it. Oh and my pronouns are she they Yeah, And 39 00:03:07.120 --> 00:03:09.879 I was at a little resistant to get into this, so I guess it 40 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:13.919 should be clear that we've both seen the show already all the way through, 41 00:03:13.960 --> 00:03:17.080 so this is a rewatch for us. I was a little resistant just because 42 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:23.960 I had just watched another pirate show called Black Sales, which I really enjoyed, 43 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:25.879 and it just seemed like, on paper, it sounded very similar to 44 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:29.719 this, but it's really not. But I'll probably bring that show up a 45 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:32.560 few times while we're podcasting, so be warned. You should also know we're 46 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:36.520 gonna have a spoiler section at the end of the podcast where we are free 47 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:38.599 to discuss any future events in the timeline of the series. So if you 48 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:43.479 are on your first watch of the series, you'll just need to skip that 49 00:03:44.039 --> 00:03:46.520 clearly marked section at the end of the podcast, but otherwise we won't be 50 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:51.840 spoiling anything past this episode, which is our Flag means Death. Season one, 51 00:03:51.919 --> 00:03:57.840 episode one, title pilot and this aired on March third, twenty twenty 52 00:03:57.879 --> 00:04:01.080 two. Written by David Jenkins who is the creator and showrunner, and directed 53 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:06.960 by Taikawatiti. In this episode, Steve Bonnett, a wealthy Barbadian landowner, 54 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:11.800 abandons his wife and children for life as a pirate captain to prevent his crew 55 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:15.360 from mutanting due to his lack of experiences, He chooses the nearest large ship 56 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:18.079 for them, the Pillage, which turns out to be a Royal Navy warship 57 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:23.720 captained by Steed's childhood bully, Nigel Badminton. While the crew pretends to be 58 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:28.160 aristocrats, Steve unintentionally causes Nigel to stab himself through the eye with the sword, 59 00:04:28.360 --> 00:04:35.000 leaving his crew impressed. Vive check Did we like the episode overall? 60 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:40.240 How does it stand the test of time? Do we like the episode overall? 61 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:46.120 Yes? Yes? Bullheardly Yes, Mike. What a great episode to 62 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:51.759 start like this series, like introducing this cast of characters and n'erty Wells being 63 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:59.079 bled by this very soft man. Yeah, it definitely sets the tone right 64 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:02.600 away, like what kind of like a comedy. This is the dynamics of 65 00:05:02.639 --> 00:05:09.639 the crew and the captain and just like yeah, it's it's it's the humor 66 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:13.959 in that, like they're from very opposing size, but they all have like 67 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:18.480 one mission. Yeah, and every every character is kind of funny in their 68 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:21.519 own way, and it's really like there's no one in there that's just like 69 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:27.040 a I don't know, a straight man type of person, like ridiculous people 70 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:33.399 on the same boat. Yeah, trivia time, What facts could we uncover 71 00:05:33.480 --> 00:05:36.800 for the pilot episode? All Right, a little bit of trivia about the 72 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:42.800 episode and the show as a whole. So creator and showrunner David Jenkins was 73 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:46.680 inspired to write the show after learning about Steve Bonnett from his wife and subsequently 74 00:05:46.720 --> 00:05:49.519 reading his Wikipedia article. Yeah, this is a real story, Like this 75 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:57.680 is a real man that actually like went out to see and left behind his 76 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:02.199 like life, his wealthy life life to become the quote unquote, well, 77 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:05.439 I don't want to say, we'll leave it there. He's just he's like 78 00:06:05.560 --> 00:06:11.399 a real person. It's based in real life, and I think that's really 79 00:06:11.399 --> 00:06:15.879 cool that they are like imagining what it was like for him to be out 80 00:06:15.920 --> 00:06:20.439 at sea as this like fancy boy. Yeah, and just pulling from his 81 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:26.319 Wikipedia article real quick, Like a lot of what they show in this first 82 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:30.519 episode is from his real story. So like, he had this ship, 83 00:06:30.560 --> 00:06:32.800 the Revenge, built with the guns on it, and this is very unusual, 84 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:36.959 as most pirates seize their ships by mutiny, by boarding them or converting 85 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:43.040 a private vessel. And he enlisted a crew and relied on a quartermaster an 86 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:46.240 officer for their knowledge of sailing. As results not very respected by his crew. 87 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:50.199 He paid the crew wages and not shares a plunder, so like, 88 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:55.439 yeah, they brought all that into the show and it's an interesting creed if 89 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:58.720 you want to browse his the article, and there's some stuff in there that 90 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:03.000 I don't want to mention yet because it definitely plays into the storyline of the 91 00:07:03.040 --> 00:07:08.240 actual show too. Yeah, but it's also like very little known history. 92 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:12.160 Like you think of famous pirates, you don't think of Steve Bomitt Bonnett. 93 00:07:13.480 --> 00:07:16.680 You don't think of Steve Bonnett as a famous pirate or a name that sticks 94 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:21.160 out. So it's an interesting character to focus on. So Taika, wait, 95 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:27.720 he became involved as executive producer and a director first, and then he 96 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:31.199 will later go on to join the cast. Reece Starby He's he plays Steve 97 00:07:31.199 --> 00:07:34.279 Bonnett. He's known for his comedic supporting roles, but he's always has an 98 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:40.079 opportunity to step into a leading role. And the creator said that he made 99 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:44.079 an otherwise unlikable Steed Bonnet likable. Yeah, I can see that, Like 100 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:49.120 you're always kind of rooting for him because he's so inept. Yeah. Theo 101 00:07:49.240 --> 00:07:53.920 Darby, who is ree Starby's son, played the young version of Steve Bonnett. 102 00:07:54.120 --> 00:07:57.639 He was really good, Yeah, picking those flowers and getting blood all 103 00:07:57.680 --> 00:08:01.439 over his face. Then, scenes on The Revenge are filmed on a sound 104 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:05.759 stage using stagecraft, which is a technology that uses LED screens for the backgrounds, 105 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:09.800 originally developed from the Mandalorian. So if you ever see like behind the 106 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:13.279 scenes footage of one of those sound stage, it's actually really cool because it's 107 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:18.079 like the backgrounds are all pre rendered and they react to how the camera moves 108 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:22.399 to create the perspective. So that's all they're shooting all these scenes and getting 109 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:30.560 that good production value on the ship Deep Space Dive. Let's break down some 110 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:33.600 of our thoughts on the episode. You can share your thoughts with us through 111 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:39.720 email or social media. We may use your comments on an upcoming episode. 112 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:41.840 All right, what do we do? What do we jump into? Well, 113 00:08:41.919 --> 00:08:50.320 let's talk about how like nurturing and kind and thoughtful Steed Bonnet is portrayed 114 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:54.519 in this as a leader, and how like that would be an ideal leader 115 00:08:54.759 --> 00:09:01.360 in most situations, Like you would like the environment that he is giving these 116 00:09:01.480 --> 00:09:07.840 men where they are all held in high regard and treated as equals and have 117 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:16.360 a voice in their Like piracy is so like revolutionary in a way, because 118 00:09:16.679 --> 00:09:20.320 we don't do that anywhere, Like we don't have that kind of structure in 119 00:09:20.440 --> 00:09:28.120 like corporate America or even in like other sectors of business and engagement, Like 120 00:09:28.159 --> 00:09:30.879 that's what we strive for, right, that's what we want to see in 121 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:39.440 leadership, But capitalism has made it so that it's more like toxic. Like 122 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:45.120 there's a lot of toxic workplaces, and you would expect a pirate ship to 123 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:50.399 be a toxic workplace, and that's not the environment at all. Although you 124 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:54.320 know, people are always going to find something to complain about, and these 125 00:09:54.360 --> 00:09:58.919 pirates obviously do. The crew is like complaining about like not having plundered. 126 00:10:00.799 --> 00:10:05.200 Well, it's such an unusual environment for them that it's uncomfortable. Yeah, 127 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:11.279 Like they don't want to accept this weird kind of democracy on this pirate ship. 128 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:15.879 Like there's a way these ships run and it's not by like majority rule 129 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:18.720 or whatever. Right, we don't we don't all make a flag and then 130 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:24.399 vote on which flag is the best and then in the end we fly all 131 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:30.120 the flags. Flags. Those were great, They were great. There was 132 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:35.200 such a like invigorating part, Like for me, like the whole interaction with 133 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:41.480 the flags was like the heart of and I think where the show gets its 134 00:10:41.559 --> 00:10:43.919 name in a lot of ways. But it's like, okay, so you 135 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:48.080 have a complaint. We don't even have a flag. Let's fix that. 136 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:54.279 Here are some materials where we can create together a symbol that represents us as 137 00:10:54.320 --> 00:10:58.679 a group. And they're all being creative and at first they're like pooh pooing. 138 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:01.639 They're like, I ain't gonna sew. That's that's a woman's thing. 139 00:11:01.679 --> 00:11:05.960 And he's like, hey, now do you any of you sew? Like 140 00:11:05.039 --> 00:11:11.759 do you think that's like that's not very nice? And uh, one of 141 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:16.360 the guys, I forget his name now, he's like, I think his 142 00:11:16.440 --> 00:11:20.559 name is Cookie. He's like, I sewed my shoulder up once and he 143 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:26.200 showed this like huge scar on his shoulder with the stitching, and he's like, 144 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:28.519 yeah, see, sewing can be tough. And it was just like 145 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:37.320 the reframing of something that went from negative to positive, so like indicative of 146 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:43.519 the character of Steve Bonnet and the like unwavering support and like purity of that 147 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:48.279 character. And I just love that. Like it was so good and everybody 148 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:54.159 was just sitting there sewing and then uh, because it's like going through comedy, 149 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:58.480 like it's just casually challenging, like this idea of masculinity. Yeah, 150 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:03.080 yeah, it's like, let's sew, let's do something together. That's like 151 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.000 traditionally, when you think of a group of people who are sewing, you 152 00:12:07.080 --> 00:12:13.240 think of old women typically like a sewing circle or a quote circle. A 153 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:20.960 bitch and stitch is what they call them. It's true. Well, I've 154 00:12:20.039 --> 00:12:26.240 been a part of a couple, so I've been I've been familiarized with the 155 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:31.559 bitch and stitch and it's a great like communal space to create and and do 156 00:12:31.919 --> 00:12:37.159 like expel grievances and and and also like just and that is kind of where 157 00:12:37.200 --> 00:12:43.639 they come up with their plan to mutiny, So it harbors creativity and in 158 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:52.320 more ways than not, and fucking buttons. He's like hearing everybody and he's 159 00:12:52.399 --> 00:12:56.039 like straight to the captain. He's gonna snitch. I thought that was interesting. 160 00:12:56.360 --> 00:13:00.559 Yeah, his loyalty to the captain in this episode, Like he's the 161 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:03.360 one who announces him at the very first sight of him. He's like, 162 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:09.600 everybody, pay attention or to your captain. That was him announcing. And 163 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:13.759 you can see him always at the wheel, so you can tell that he 164 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:20.200 has a high ranking position within the crew. That's kind of cool to see 165 00:13:20.279 --> 00:13:22.240 him like be loyal to Steve Bonnett and be like, hey, captain, 166 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:28.399 you got mutiny afoot. Yeah, it's interesting just because I mean we're not 167 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:33.159 going to spoil anything with these characters, but like the first time watching, 168 00:13:33.279 --> 00:13:35.000 like it's a lot of characters to take in. Yeah, and so like 169 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:39.240 by the end of the season or the series, like you have a much 170 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:41.159 or a grass with these characters. So it's always interesting to come back to 171 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:46.240 the start and like see everyone at the beginning of their role and really like 172 00:13:46.360 --> 00:13:50.519 I'm more familiar with who they are, and I can kind of just follow 173 00:13:50.799 --> 00:13:54.639 their stories a little better. Yeah, Yeah, I think it's really interesting 174 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:58.639 to see them unfold. I really like Gosh, I always forget I'm so 175 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:05.399 bad at names. I hate myself for that. But the documentarian, the 176 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:11.159 one who is annotating everything that Steve Bonnet is saying, Lucius Lucius. So 177 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:16.080 Lucius is also in a high ranking position, which is close to the pet 178 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:22.320 captain, and it doesn't seem like he likes it too much already off the 179 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:24.120 bat, like, because he was like, I'm down for the mutiny, 180 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:31.320 y'all. But one of the things that Steve Bonnett said was that I have 181 00:14:31.399 --> 00:14:35.159 a library, we have a wreck room, we have this like wonderful ship 182 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:39.279 with all these amenities. And he's like, but nobody's taken me up on 183 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:41.080 the library except you, Lucius. And he's like, well, I'm the 184 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:45.840 only one who can read. And he's like, that's not true, Like 185 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:48.639 he doesn't want to believe. Yeah, he's so out of touch with what 186 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:54.360 these reality's giving him, like a wreck room and a library. Yeah, 187 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:56.960 reading them stories at night, which actually like yeah, they really like that, 188 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.440 and they don't the only thing that saves him from mutiny that day was 189 00:15:01.519 --> 00:15:11.159 that Lucius can't do the Pinocchio voice. So I feel like there's a lot 190 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:18.519 of like lightheartedness in this show that is really like endearing. I don't know, 191 00:15:18.639 --> 00:15:24.000 it's really good. And then like that rude one that wanted to do 192 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:28.960 the mutiny who said he used to sail with Blackbeard, who's like stir in 193 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:33.279 the pot that is black Peat, black Pete. Okay, Well, he 194 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:41.799 automatically assigns himself as leader in the vacuum structure that would like create like a 195 00:15:41.919 --> 00:15:48.200 void in a leadership role. And they're like, I don't know what about 196 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:52.919 Jim, And Jim is a mute allegedly, and we note and then at 197 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:56.039 the end of the scene or at the end of the episode, we see 198 00:15:56.039 --> 00:16:03.360 that Jim has a false identity yes, and can't talk yeah, And I'm 199 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:07.720 not sure how to say his name al I think they call him Alli. 200 00:16:07.919 --> 00:16:11.320 That's Jim's friend that is aware of Jim's identity. He's also a hang ranking 201 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:15.559 member from the crew based on the fact that he ran to the captain's aid 202 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:23.200 when he accidentally murdered uh that guy. It was him and Lucius that ran 203 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:26.559 in and were like, what's what do you need what's going on? So 204 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:30.720 you can tell, like who's close to the captain in this episode a little 205 00:16:30.759 --> 00:16:36.440 bit more, and like I like the advice he gave him where he's like 206 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:38.559 no, like do you want to live? Like no? Do you? 207 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:44.279 Like? Are you like he snapped him into reality because like in this episode 208 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:48.159 we get a glimpse of a baby Bonnet that's his like the name they teased 209 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:51.399 him with. But he was a baby, He was a little boy, 210 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:56.919 and you could tell that he had sensitive like tendencies. He had a very 211 00:16:57.000 --> 00:17:07.799 gentle way about him picking flowers and like flinching at the sight of like foul 212 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.680 being like slaughtered and prepared. And his father was so rude to him, 213 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:17.200 What a terrible father, Like that's so sad. And then like even in 214 00:17:17.240 --> 00:17:22.279 his home life as an adult man, in his home life, his wife 215 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:26.720 seems to hate him, Like his kids seem cool or whatever, very distant. 216 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:30.480 Like the way that they set the table where he was at one end 217 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:34.119 and everybody else was on the other end near mom. Yeah, that was 218 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.599 weird because like, well, no, that's like how you set the scene 219 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:41.240 though, That's how you can tell a story without saying anything. That he 220 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:47.960 has it works, Yeah, but it is weird and jarring in a family 221 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:51.880 to have dad sit all the way over there. But if that's their normal, 222 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:55.480 that would I mean, I could see what would drive him to like 223 00:17:55.640 --> 00:18:00.039 fantasize and dream about being out in the open sea in a place where he 224 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.839 creates his own family. Yeah. And then near the end of the episode, 225 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.799 when he's kind of reminiscing fondly over his family, you see he has 226 00:18:07.839 --> 00:18:11.680 pulled his chair around to the side and is up next to them. So 227 00:18:11.400 --> 00:18:17.160 that's a very good like visual language, like a shortcut just to tell us 228 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:21.200 that there's you know. Yeah. But so the episode you can see that 229 00:18:21.319 --> 00:18:25.319 like it's going to deal a lot with trauma, and you get you highlight 230 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:30.759 Steed's childhood trauma throughout the episode with his father and his family and his bully. 231 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.839 And then also like how he's approaching the crew to like talk things out, 232 00:18:34.039 --> 00:18:40.440 like if you have you have experiences, if you experience PTSD during a 233 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:44.079 raid, what do we do we talk about it as a crew, Like 234 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:49.240 I think that this is a moniker. This is one of the anchors of 235 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:56.160 what like draws in the queer community to this show because the queer community has 236 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:03.680 a deep foundation with chosen family, and I think this this show is like 237 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:10.160 like the show is showing chosen family how they can come together, how there 238 00:19:10.240 --> 00:19:17.680 is like a parental figure who is guiding these like misfits who don't fit into 239 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:22.720 society and they're there's nurturing and there's understanding, and I think that speaks to 240 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:29.279 a lot of us when we have chosen family like that. It's not specifically 241 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:33.880 queer, but most queer family like people like you know, they get rejected 242 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:41.440 from their home life and they are not welcomed into their households, and so 243 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:48.720 they there's a creation of an outside family that is sometimes stronger than the blood 244 00:19:48.759 --> 00:19:53.440 relations that you have, clearly because if a blood relation was strong, it 245 00:19:53.480 --> 00:20:00.160 would it wouldn't cause that riff because of a gender identity or or a sexual 246 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:07.200 orientation. But I think, yeah, this this is driving deep and I 247 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:15.400 think this is what has really touched the the like LGBTQ like viewership in a 248 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:19.119 way that's like made them like like I don't know, just like the Champion 249 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:22.880 the show like that. I don't know how many memes you've seen of like 250 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:29.720 Steve Bonnett and as a cartoon anime QT, but I've seen so many. 251 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:37.359 Yeah, I don't know. So, like another display of this kind of 252 00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:41.359 chosen family aspect of it is like you you know, you see all these 253 00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:45.920 men on the ship and they're essentially all equals and there's never any mention of 254 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:48.519 race. But then when they have to pretend to be a part of you 255 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:52.559 know, regular society, right with their wigs and fancy boy outfits, the 256 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:56.359 you know, the white men are sitting at the table and the black and 257 00:20:56.440 --> 00:21:02.680 brown men are servants. And so like their ship you know, doesn't have 258 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:07.880 all these you know, cultural what am I trying to say, hierarchies, 259 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:14.359 Yes, like a racial hierarchy doesn't exist in this like semi utopian ship. 260 00:21:14.519 --> 00:21:18.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I love the fact that like one of 261 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:26.480 the crew members throws a knife into the hand of like the British soldier for 262 00:21:26.680 --> 00:21:32.119 insulting his crew member, Like you insulted my crew member because of the color 263 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:34.440 of their skin, and so you will pay for that, And that's what 264 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:41.759 like causes the violence in that in that part of the ship. I love 265 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:45.960 that the British officer said that their tea tasted like dishwater because it was probably 266 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:52.480 dishwater. I don't think they have property unless it's had a Steed's cabin. 267 00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:56.799 Steed surely has proper tea. Yeah, but you think they had enough time 268 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:00.880 to prepare property. I don't know. They seemed pretty focused on the wardrobe. 269 00:22:02.440 --> 00:22:10.240 Yeah, I uh, But I thought that was interesting that, like 270 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:17.680 the British officers were definitely like so upset that the black and brown individuals in 271 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:23.160 the ship were had opinions and were voicing them. Well, it's because they 272 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:30.319 came up and they found the fucking flags. They were going through the flags 273 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:34.640 and laughing at them, and the crew took it very personally because everyone was 274 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:40.039 so passionate about the flag that they created. Yeah, and everybody had their 275 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:45.599 vision and they were like really confused about like the like what is this a 276 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:49.720 bit a pillowcase? And they're like, no, it's a pirate flag. 277 00:22:49.759 --> 00:22:55.319 And he's like, is this a skull eating another skull? Were they cannibals? 278 00:22:56.359 --> 00:22:59.799 And then there was one where one of them was just throwing up but 279 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:07.240 I thought that was so creative. And then the skeleton holding its own head 280 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:11.759 that was Swedes, and you could tell Swede was like that is terrifying. 281 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:18.039 And then the cat. The cat was my favorite because of the beliefs that 282 00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:26.039 Frenchie has about cats. They are witches with knives on their hands who steal 283 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:36.759 the breath of children. Yes, he is so superstitious, and I don't 284 00:23:36.799 --> 00:23:38.640 recall if there's ever a scene with him and a cat, but I hope 285 00:23:38.680 --> 00:23:47.839 there is. But yeah, they were like really upset and Frenchie was defending 286 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:52.000 his cat flag. It was the last flag that they were like looking at 287 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:59.559 before Jim stabbed that front, that British officer through the hand and then all 288 00:23:59.599 --> 00:24:07.880 hell bred close and Steed was reminiscing quote unquote reminiscing with his ex his bully. 289 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:12.839 He's still bullying him about like what they've been up to, I guess, 290 00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:18.279 and he's like, what's his name, the British officer or the general 291 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:22.519 or what is he is? Bully? Yeah? Was Nigel? Nigel? 292 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:29.160 Nigel? Well, Nigel is like I heard a rumor that you left your 293 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:33.519 family to become a pirate and Steed's like, yeah I did, and he's 294 00:24:33.559 --> 00:24:37.400 like haha, no way, and he doesn't believe him. He laughs at 295 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:41.200 him again, you know, like I don't know how humiliating would that be 296 00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:45.440 to to confront your bully. You're living the life you want to live, 297 00:24:45.759 --> 00:24:49.480 but they like to mean you for it still, like they don't believe that 298 00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:53.160 you're living the life you're living and that you're capable of it. And I 299 00:24:53.160 --> 00:25:02.720 could see like Steed before they went to like pillage or whatever pirate, he 300 00:25:02.839 --> 00:25:08.319 asked a couple of the crew members like for some pointers on how to like 301 00:25:08.480 --> 00:25:15.240 fight in general, and Jim was there, and Jim was like, that's 302 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:21.799 trying to like show him like how to handle a sword, and well, 303 00:25:21.839 --> 00:25:26.359 what's his name, Jim's friend his short name, uh, Alie Ali Allie 304 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:32.640 Allie he he uh. He's like, that's kill, that's kill, that's 305 00:25:32.720 --> 00:25:38.440 kill, that's a kill, And that triggered Steeds like PTSD and he's like, 306 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:41.240 no, I don't want to kill anybody, Like how do I stun 307 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:47.119 somebody? How do I just like render them? Like what is the word 308 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:51.519 unconscious? Unconscious? Yeah? And they're like, oh, you just hit 309 00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:55.400 him in the back of the head. And he was like calling that back 310 00:25:56.039 --> 00:26:02.400 when he was with Nigel because Nigel had Nigel had his sword out and Steed 311 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:07.759 hits him on the back of the head with this little brass whale the cutest 312 00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:14.319 little brass whale I've ever seen, and he knocks him unconscious, but he 313 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:19.680 falls straight onto his sword and that's when Ollie comes back and he's like, 314 00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:23.480 oh no, you want to live, right, you have to snap out 315 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:27.079 of it. You did this on purpose. This is how you gain respect 316 00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:33.440 from your crew and you live another day. And I think that advice, 317 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.920 like the way that he spoke to him, like some of us need that 318 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:40.319 where somebody like grabs you and shakes you and looks at you and says, 319 00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:44.960 hey, this is real, this is happening, Like, oh shit, 320 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:51.519 I really enjoyed that. I feel like his crew is like saving his life 321 00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:56.880 and he he has. He comes up with a plan to send back one 322 00:26:56.920 --> 00:27:03.319 of the British officers in a similar fashion of how he was tormented as a 323 00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:07.440 child, where they tie his hands to the ore of a ship and make 324 00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:14.480 him row back and they keep a couple of hostages. And I'm interested to 325 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:19.519 see what happens next, Like it's it's a really good episode to like establish 326 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:25.640 the crew, give us the dynamics and tell us what the story is, 327 00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:30.079 while also wanting you to check in for the next one, like what's going 328 00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:34.839 to happen with these weird cast of characters. Yeah, it really it establishes 329 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:40.160 Steed very well. I mean he's the one character that got really kind of 330 00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:42.799 fleshed out with backstory and everything, and you kind of see that he's kind 331 00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:48.519 of this bumbling idiot who's going to stumble backwards into you know, things working 332 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:56.119 out and he's starting to win over his crew slowly. Astoral queen who was 333 00:27:56.160 --> 00:28:02.200 the standout character in the episode? So this is, you know, a 334 00:28:02.319 --> 00:28:06.039 character that stands out in any way, shape or for him, whether they 335 00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:11.400 be the hero of the episode or someone who you know experiences something traumatic or 336 00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.839 does something funny or just relatable or whatever we choose. Yeah, and at 337 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.400 the end of the series will kind of tally up and see who is the 338 00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:26.240 astral queen overall? Was your astral queen for this first episode? I was 339 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:32.279 gonna pick Ollie? Yeah, Yeah, because he he's the one that's like 340 00:28:32.519 --> 00:28:37.480 he kind of saves the day with calming down Steed and getting him to recognize 341 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:42.240 like what he needs to do with this situation having killed Nigel and how he 342 00:28:42.279 --> 00:28:45.960 needs to kind of own that and use that. And he's also one that's 343 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:51.160 like, you know this life he's created for us, isn't that bad? 344 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:55.160 Yeah, he sees the reality of what it could be. And that's what 345 00:28:55.279 --> 00:28:59.119 I picked him too. Yeah, I pick him too because he's he's a 346 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:03.000 really strong care character even though he's not he doesn't I don't know if he's 347 00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:07.119 quite a main character yet because we don't know a lot about him, but 348 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:12.559 he is definitely a standout character. Like his end his acting is really good, 349 00:29:12.799 --> 00:29:18.759 and we don't see a lot of like dark skin fat people on TV, 350 00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:26.480 and he is like very present, very visible, and very like very 351 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:30.119 much contributing to the storyline and moving it forward in a way that is positive 352 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:36.920 and engaging and realistic in a lot of ways, like he brings reality to 353 00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.920 the table in a show where it's very it's a little fantastical. So yeah, 354 00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:48.160 I like his portrayal of this character and I'm excited to see what this 355 00:29:48.279 --> 00:29:53.039 character does moving forward, especially because he knows Jim's secret. Yeah, so 356 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:59.359 that's interesting. All right. Well, that's two astral Queen Awards for him 357 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.440 start off strong. So the next episode, episode two, is called a 358 00:30:03.559 --> 00:30:07.720 Damned Man, And so, I mean there's eighteen episodes of the show, 359 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:11.559 so hopefully over the next eighteen weeks, we'll stay on track and cover them 360 00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:15.279 all. But that wraps it up for this episode, and we're going to 361 00:30:15.359 --> 00:30:21.599 go into our spoiler section where we're free to discuss anything else from the season 362 00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:25.759 and next season. So if you haven't seen any of those episodes, then 363 00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:32.279 you'll want to jump ship now you've found that pun with me. But otherwise 364 00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:36.240 stick around and we'll talk spoilers. Let's put our living stereo stylists in this 365 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:45.359 group. Grace for imtact spoilers ahead. If you haven't seen the whole series, 366 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:49.240 now is the time to say goodbye. Remember you can contact us at 367 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:56.640 Spacingoutpod at gmail dot com, find us on social media, share your thoughts 368 00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:03.079 and be a part of the discussion spoilers in five for three two one. 369 00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:07.680 Oh my god, I'm counting down the days the episodes for black Beard, 370 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:14.880 right, yeah, so awesome in this Like I'm so excited the show, 371 00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:18.680 Like I wish I could watch it over with new eyes again. Like I 372 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.160 know it's gonna happen and it's gonna be great, but I wish I could 373 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:26.079 like be surprised. It is interesting, like the show takes a moment to 374 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:32.400 establish itself before bringing in black Beard and bringing in the you know, the 375 00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:36.119 turn of the This is like a romantic story. Yeah, yeah, this 376 00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:40.079 is this is a different show, and it does turn. But then there's 377 00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:45.559 also an element of like, like they go through so much black Beard and 378 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:52.799 Steed, and in this in this season specifically, Steed helps Blackbeard open up 379 00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:57.519 to being a vulnerable person and wanting more out of his life than just like 380 00:31:57.799 --> 00:32:05.599 Murder and Mayhem, and Blackbeard show Steed how to be a real pirate. 381 00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:10.200 And I think they give each other so much, and that's rooted in some 382 00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:14.319 truth like that no one knows a lot about, like why they sailed together, 383 00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.039 but black Beard and Steed Bonnet really sailed together. Yeah. Yeah, 384 00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:21.960 that's in the Wikipedia page, which is, yeah, the source of all 385 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:24.240 truth. Yeah, and so yeah, I mean the show fills in the 386 00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:29.359 gaps with this romantic storyline. But well, and honestly, if you think 387 00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:34.000 about it, piracy, there's no way there wasn't gay sex and gay shit 388 00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:38.160 going on on that boat. A bunch of dudes on a ship for months 389 00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:43.680 at a time. What else were they gonna do for a fun And also 390 00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:47.759 they're outcasts, they're people who are not wanted in society. Who is that 391 00:32:47.880 --> 00:32:52.079 I feel like, And I feel like, you know, within pirate culture, 392 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:58.759 there is like this flamboyance. There is like this like I don't know, 393 00:32:59.039 --> 00:33:07.079 just kind of like adornment and like style element that was only accessible for 394 00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:12.440 the most part to the rich. But because these men had access to loot, 395 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:19.880 they were able to accessoriz and get tattoos or peer scenes and do different 396 00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:23.640 body modifications. And I don't know, I just I find it very hard 397 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:28.240 to believe that there wasn't gay shit going on on a pirate ship. Like 398 00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:30.960 give me an orange so I don't get scurvy and let me suck that dick. 399 00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:37.319 Baby. It's kind of like the same thing that happens in prison, 400 00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:45.400 where men who don't typically code themselves as queer engage in queer activity as a 401 00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:51.440 form of survival or as a form of escape from the reality of like the 402 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.440 hard conditions that you live in. So it's very much like I'm like, 403 00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:58.799 that's kind of how I see it in some ways, Like you can't tell 404 00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:00.920 me they'ren't gay shit going on in prison. You can't tell me they're engage 405 00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:05.880 shit going on in piracy. Yeah, And I brought up the show Black 406 00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.679 sales earlier, and in that show, like the Captain of the Ship, 407 00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:13.840 it's like at first, like it's kind of confusing, like why was this 408 00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.719 like upstanding guy, why did he transition to being a pirate? And then 409 00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:20.400 later it's revealed like, oh, he was a gay man and he was 410 00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.320 not being accepted in his life in England, So like, yeah, I 411 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:29.840 think that is a pirate society is where you might land. Yeah, it's 412 00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:36.199 open, it's free, it's lawless, the standards of society are different and 413 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.760 probably more accepting. Later on in the show, we're going to find out 414 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:45.920 that there's like a pirate queen from China. Women were allowed to do things 415 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:51.920 in pirate ships and in pirate like settings that they weren't allowed to do in 416 00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:59.119 general society. So it's very interesting to explore this and to see it represented 417 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:04.800 on so to like diverse cast is so cool because I feel like, yeah, 418 00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:08.239 if you're sailing in Barbados and in the Caribbean, of course you're going 419 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:12.400 to have black and brown people on board. But I don't know, it's 420 00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:16.880 interesting because the white supremacy is still real and I like how they address it 421 00:35:16.920 --> 00:35:21.280 in this show, like how they're not they're like, that's not cool, 422 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:25.360 bro, I like that. I don't know, but I'm excited. Yeah, 423 00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:30.360 definitely looking forward to everything that come and this, like specifically how this 424 00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:37.559 show highlights multiple queer relationships and queer characters. Oh yeah, there's a trouple 425 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:42.679 in the second season. Yeah, and you know, I'd forgotten that, 426 00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:45.599 Like Jim was like undercover at the beginning. But Jim is a non binary 427 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:51.880 character. Jim is a non binary person as an actor to Vico Ortis is 428 00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:55.199 a non binary person. Yeah, playing a non binary character, which is 429 00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.920 really hard in Hollywood, Like Hollywood, will I are a straight white man 430 00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:10.119 to play like a queer Asian person, you know what I mean. So 431 00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:21.519 I think it's like very subversive in the casting and the directing and the storytelling. 432 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:25.639 It's all very like today. It's of the time, and I just 433 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:30.360 love it. But it's also set in the world where people couldn't even think 434 00:36:30.400 --> 00:36:34.719 about that in a way, but it's like normal for them. I love 435 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:38.559 it. It's like great, it's like revisionist history but with a queer twist 436 00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:43.800 and a multi cultural lens. And I kind of love that for us, 437 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:46.280 and I think we can leave it at that. Yeah, all right, 438 00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:51.199 so we will see you next time for the episode of Damned Man. Until 439 00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:53.599 then, thank you for sailing on the revenge and watch out for cats because 440 00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:59.599 they have knives on their feet. Thank you for spacing out with Bob and 441 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:04.400 Jason. You can help us out by subscribing and leaving a positive rating or 442 00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:08.719 review. Next time we will cover our Flag Means Death season one, episode 443 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:15.719 two, a Damned Man. We hope you will join us