You're stunking mad, as they say, not what your country can do for
you, as what you can do for your country. Mister gerlbucha, tear
down this wall, read my lips. It's the Ricoche Podcast with Peter Robinson
and Rob Long. I'm James Lilas and today the subjects are well, Romania,
laptop, subway crime. That means it's Andy McCarthy. So let's have
Oursellsther podcast. You held onto those documents when you knew the federal government was
seeking them, and then it had given you a subpoena to return. You're
ready? Are you ready? Can I talk? Yeah? Can I do
you mind? I would like for you to answer. It's very simple,
toys as it's very simple to you're a nasty person, I'll tell you.
Welcome everybody. This is the Ricochet Podcast, number six hundred and forty one.
I think if you're in your cell making a little Roman numeral marks on
the wall. If I'm wrong, drop me a line at Ricochet. And
what is ricochet dot com. Well, it's just the place you've been looking
for all these years on the internets. It's the same civil center right conversation
where actually is Rob coined long ago. People have skin in the game,
not actual literal skin, but metaphor as possible. You know, you know
that is rob Along by the way, Peter Robinson will be coming along shortly,
we hope. Perhaps Right now in California, Peter is looking at the
border and wondering exactly when the throngs will reach his stately little corner of the
world. I'm looking at this and thinking this is unusual. Apparently a law
elapsed, and now we have to let everybody in kind of what it's like.
We're powerless to do anything about it. If there's nothing you can do.
As a matter of fact, the only humane thing you can do is
to make sure there's enough busses to take them elsewhere. If this was an
actual foreign I mean, if this was a foreign invasion by people inimicable to
the United States, hostile to us, shall we say, you'd like to
think that there might be something we could do the people out, and by
the people, I mean the people who are coming here as economic migrants,
as you are coming here for various reasons. But I'm sorry, we have
a process, don't we Now we don't. There's nothing we can do,
right, rob Nothing we can do well, which is interesting thing of the
idea, like, well, there's a law, got to obey, the
law is law, and the laws bired, we got to obey it.
I can't do much about the law, the idea that we're somehow hamstrung by
a law that that allows other people to break the law. I mean,
he just sneek at a country anytime they want, is um. I mean
it's a very strange. I don't. I always trying to figure out what
the strategy is left and right, and this one I don't. I just
don't understand. Like a bold move to secure the southern border by a president
sitting president the current one running for reelection, seems to me to be a
wise move, A different brainer. Yeah, Like I was looking, I'm
not quite sure I get the the larger sort of conspiratorial issues to replacement stuff.
And maybe I have never known a president, or studied a president in
my entire life, in the history of this republic who would not toss out
long term planning, long term thinking for a short term political gain. In
my life, yeah, I would. I dare you to find me a
president, any president, even the great ones, who would ever do that.
This president is a just recently approval is facing a pretty uphill climb in
twenty twenty four. It is just sheer political incompetence that he wouldn't just say,
let's let's get that border secure. Incompetence is is it? I mean
you may think, okay, no, this is Clauwert Piven. Oh no,
this is this is Marxism, this is all these things. Yeah.
No, more likely it is just simply incompetence and an inability to do anything
and no reason to think why they should. I mean, perhaps their instincts
say, well, these people, you know, they should come here.
They land of opportunity. You know what it says in the Statue of Liberty
and the rest of it. Okay, let's let's quadruple the numbers. Let's
say that forty thousand people a day are streaming over and there's nothing we can
do, and they are we are obligated to put them up in southern in
the border states, and to give them phones, and to give them a
little piece of paper that says we'll drop by in twenty twenty seven and we'll
take a look at your claim, which means they evaporated the country would ever
see again. But when you add this to everything else, this general sense
that the government, which supposedly is here to protect us is doing absolutely nothing
willfully. So then you wonder exactly what's the state of the social contract.
They're supposed to keep us safe, they're supposed to have law and order reasonably
so. But we watch every day a video of somebody walking into Walgreens and
filling up a trash bag and then running out to go sell it somewhere.
We watch every day some subway nonsense going on, and of course, and
the neely thing that's going on in New York right now is a prime example
of that. We see here as we have in Minneapolis roving gangs in Kia
car running around terrorizing people. And what does Baltimore do. We're going to
sue the key of people for making their cars so easy to steal. All
of these examples in which we as a people have ceded to the government the
right to use force against other miscreants in order to keep things working, and
in every instance we look around, they're not doing it. I walked past
the television here at the office, the CNN was playing, and apparently they've
got a special coming out. What happened to San Francisco. Which is good
that they're going to take a look at it, but it's a real head
scrap. Happened? Happened? What happened? Peter iPhone hasn't rung. They
don't need to do a documentary. I can give them a list of San
Francisco be cleaned up and crime free before anybody on the left understands what happened
in San Francisco. That's more likely to happen. Well, what happened?
What did happen? Can I just get back to the border. Yes.
The Speaker of the House should already this morning have gone to the cameras and
made a statement saying that although debt limit is a serious matter and the risk
of default is of course grave, that doesn't come for another month. What's
happening right now, as of today, is a threat to the integrity of
the nation itself. It is a crisis that must be dealt with, and
therefore, at noon I will be introducing legislation. The House of Representatives will
be voting on it at one o'clock. We will send it to the Senate
by two. This is a crisis and the nation itself is at risk That's
what should be had. Greg Abbott should have been given a speech by now
where's Ronda santis By? It's just taking actions as of this morning, as
of this already today. Previously there was legislation in Florida that banned the hiring
of illegals. Am I correct? I'm sorry? Undocumented? Am I not
correct? Now? You're being high minded. You're talking about policy, I'm
talking about politics. Who's in front of the cameras this morning? To reassure
the public and to take advantage, frankly, of the gigantic political opening.
Everybody is looking at images right now and saying, well, I guess we're
stuck with Trump. He's the only one who's going to talk about this.
That cannot be the case. Sorry, boys, we were talking about political
malpractice, and I just had to jump in on that. Well, I
mean there is that question, right, I mean, like I to keep
asking myself, I don't I'm trying not to come up with a singularity argument.
But has everyone lost their minds at some point like Baltimore? And then
and then look, I mean, look, you say what you like about
Joe Biden. I mean, you know he's a fool in many ways,
but he's not a foolish at least in the past, it's not been a
foolish politician. It's one of the reasons why he's been in a government for
so long. He's been able to stay there. The idea that there's not
an easy lob here for even a liberal to take on the eve of a
presidential election just ridiculous. You can probably find footage of Joe Biden a twenty
years ago saying, if it were up to me, I would go down
to the border and whip the immigrants with rains, you know, I mean,
he's all over the road and all over them. Now. Of course,
that's what the press corps in DC brings up, is the fact that,
well, you know, we can't do anything because we had that whipping
incident, which to discredit aw Erica said, no, that sound sense,
I got to correct you, right, But that underscores a lot of this
is that it is cruel, it is it is trump like to oppose this.
It doesn't matter in the merits whether or not we should opposed the uncontrolled
blow of immigration, because it is identified with the with the the the tip
of the sphere of fascism in American political parties today, it must be opposed.
Nobody wants they what's yeah, I mean that the derangement is the drangement
is so amazing. I mean, I know, we don't really want to
get into the CNN interview with the town hall wherever you want to call it.
What Trump does to death right, Well that's what everybody lost their minds
at CNN. The idea. I mean, I said this, this is
not my insight. This is Ben Shapiro who wrote this, and I think
he's absolutely right, because I was watching this thing thinking why is this so
weird? What's wrong? What is what is not working about this interview for
me? And it's not just that I don't like Trump, but just like,
but this sounds so strange about it. And I think that this was
the premise of the town hall was a number the depending on how you look
at it, the most popular Republican running for president in twenty twenty four.
The front runner is having a town hall meeting with Republican primary voters, and
the questions asked of this front runner in a Republican party were questions that are
utterly uninteresting to the Republicans in the audience. So none of those questions had
anything to do with the Republican primary, and that was what the business was
so bizarre. It's like, you know, one of those people were laughing
and hooting, and they're like, this is not what we came here for.
We came here to ask why he blew it? If you're against him
in a Republican why he blew it? And Brian Camp and Ron Desantists didn't
when it came to COVID, why he blew it building the border wall,
which he didn't build any of it, and he promised he was going to
build it, So all those are good questions to ask. Instead it was
all this weird you know, so everybody lost their minds. That's my that's
my working theory for the next six months is all the questions he got,
as far as I can tell, all the questions he did receive, reduced
to one. Mister President, mister Trump, We we CNN, the media,
the FBI, the CIA, the Democratic Party. We have spent six
years trying to humiliate you. Why aren't you humiliated? That's really what I
came down to, Why aren't you embarrassed? He doesn't have no shame?
The answer is no, of course not. We knew. I knew that.
Well, the prospect of a presidential election coming up that is Joe Biden
versus Donald Trump. It is mortifying on so many levels. And and and
not just because we almost felt that, you know, in the last presidential
election, this is the last gasp of the gerontocracy. I mean, Trump
was vital, but you know you're not that old. But still this this
is the last hurrah of that generation. And and for four years later to
be presented with the same choice is is just there's there's no last gasp.
When everybody's on a ventilator. It's just to keep these guys wheezing away.
So very good point. It's a great line. And also the argument is
like just political, pure politics. It's like you knew, almost always beats
old. Change, almost always beats more of the same. There have been
very rare instances where that hasn't been because the mantra in the first bill in
Bill Clinton won, I remember that was this thing that everybody say, well,
we need change, change, change, we need change because there have
been X number of years of Reaganism and they're we need to change. And
also we were as clintonshood at the time experiencing the worst economy since the Great
Depression, which everybody kind of sort of didn't really believe but kind of felt
in their bones because we had a downturn. And I still remember when I
was covering the Democratic Convention in New York, there was a button for sale
that had this frazzled looking woman in the words worried about everything. Vote Democratic,
and that was pretty much what they had. And then pretty much kind
of what people did, and it was changed. We need change, we
need change, change, change, change, And of course that went with
all the people who were walking around Manhattan, or rather slumped up against a
building with a cup rattling and saying the very same word, Oh, I
remember that convention. Well, it was in New York, and New York
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and now we welcome back to the podcast or old friend. Andy McCarthy,
senior Fellow of the National Review Institute and a contributing editor to there,
as well as with Fox News, served as an assistant US attorney for the
Southern District of New York. And we got big investigations, big lawsuits going
on, so we thought we'd have them back. Welcome Andy, guys.
Great to be with you as always. Oh hey, here's the deal,
laptop. The story is it was Russian dis info, was signed by fifty
one people who agreed, so, and then it was real. But it
doesn't matter because none of that is so. And then CNN, well,
there may be eleven shell companies but calling money to grandkids, but none of
it went to Joe Biden. So nothing burger, nothing burger, Move along,
move along. Tell us what matters the most Out of the things we've
heard re Hunter and the Bidens over the last I don't know, three or
four weeks. I think obviously the most important thing is to prosecute Santos.
I mean, under the questions as you blamed them out. I mean,
I can't see any other alternative. You don't look. I thought the House
over Sight press conference that they had the other day was pretty good in the
way that they pretty efficiently over fifty minutes, laid out a lot of this
financial evidence, which has you know, goog gobs of money going into Biden
family coffers over a number of years. This is not a new story.
I mean a lot of us were writing about this a couple of years ago.
On the other hand, the House Republicans now have subpoena power, so
they're obviously using it to advance the investigation beyond what was known. But I
think the big takeaways are, you know, in any big transaction where you
have, you know, whether it's a million bucks or a billion bucks or
whatever go in one way, you expect to see you commodities, assets,
things of value coming the other way. And the only thing that resembles something
of value in this equation is access to Joe Biden and his political influence,
which I think leads to the second part of this that for a prosecutor is
very interesting, which is that when people are doing legitimate business, even if
they're big dollar transactions, they're generally very simple, straightforward transactions. I mean,
there may be you know, mortgages and all that stuff, but I
mean money goes one way, the commodity comes to the other way. You
know, Steve Collins for that, right, right, So he buys the
Mets, right and I'm sure he feels like he uh, defrauded at this
point, but you know, he pays what was it like two billion dollars
or whatever it was, and he gets the ball club. You know,
you can see it when people are doing illegitimate business. What you tend to
find is what we're seeing here, which is like there's seventeen different LLC's,
these limited liability companies that have been created for the for the purpose basically their
paper creations for moving money. And there are five or six different banking channels
that are also used to sluice money through these entities. And usually when you're
doing that kind of business, I mean, this is this is essentially what
money laundering becomes. If you can show that. The big thing with money
laundering is you have to show that the money that you start with is the
proceeds of criminal activity. If it's your own money and it's legitimate money,
you can change the form of it however many times you want. But people
don't tend to do that with legitimate money. What happens with illegitimate money is
you know, you have to move it through a bunch of different accounts to
kind of disguise the source of it. And often what you find is that
transactions that are you know, large sized transactions get broken into five or ten
or fifteen smaller transactions in order to keep the dollar figure down. And in
this instance, what we see is the money is going to like a variety
of different bidens rather than one. Right, and all this they're all really
good, like it's they're a really really great uh Internationally they're excellent, excellent,
including the grand children. Right, Hey, Andy, isn't that a
crime just in itself? I mean, I of course, as you know,
I'm not. I did not pass the New York State Bar just to
be fully just fully transparent or any bar. Well, I've never passed the
bar without least trying to walk in like knocking on the door. Untum.
Is this structured they call structured, and that it just structuring a system so
that you could Isn't that also a crime? I mean yeah, so so,
Rob, There's two things here that are very important. One is structuring
and the other is another term that we heard the the day repeatedly, which
is SAR or suspicious activity reports, which I think the House guys mentioned like
one hundred and seventy stars that they reviewed the other day. So let's start
with structuring, because that's the crime. I think it was in the eighties
that we started to put on the books these money laundering laws, and the
idea was that because it was so common for drug dealers to engage in cash
transactions, the laws were put in place to make it if you do a
ten thousand dollars domestic cash transaction with a bank, the bank has to file
what's known as a currency transaction report, and for international transactions to the trigger
is five thousand dollars. So there's nothing there's nothing wrong, Like, for
example, if you were in a cash business, you have no problem with
doing a currency transaction report with the bank because you can show that there's a
legitimate source of the money. But people who are engaged in criminal behavior,
narcotics traffickers and organized crime in particular, they get a lot of cash and
they don't want a paper record of it. So what they did was put
these laws in so that people had to identify who was the owner of the
money and where the money came from. And that's so structuring that you refer
to is like I get twelve thousand dollars on a drug deal, say so,
I don't want to go to the file a CTR, a currency transaction
report, so I'll break it into four different deposits of three thousand dollars to
make sure I don't hit the ten grand mark, which triggers the currency transaction
report, which brings us to stars. The banks detect this kind of activity,
you know, they see my full or three thousand dollar deposits and they
said, hmmm, that seems fishy, but it doesn't trigger the law violation
because I haven't hit the ten thousand. So they file what's known as a
suspicious activity report, which they also provide to the government that says there's something
fishy going on here and we maybe want to keep an eye on it.
And that can be done because of the way that transactions seemed to be structured
to defeat the reporting requirements, or and sometimes it's both the source of the
money is suspicious. So for example, Hunter Biden, as I understand it
triggered at least one suspicious activity report because when he got money from his father
to pay his outstanding prostitution bill that ended up going to just part of his
monthly allowance. Yeah, but it went to an email account that had a
dot RU for Russia at the end of it, which got the bank.
You know, not that not that there'd be any allusion with Russia. Russian
collusion now, we don't believe in Russian clues. I was on the wrong
side of this years ago, just a little personal JUSTI which I know the
the what's the right side of this? I was writing a column for the
Abu Dhabi English language Abu Dhabi newspaper called The National. I read it for
about twelve years and suspicious activities exactly. And they didn't pay me for like
eight weeks, nine weeks, ten weeks, twelve weeks. They were trying
to sort it out, and so should we're gonna wire it? You wired
to wire you? Um. They finally sorted it out. I said,
whatever you do, please do not wire me all of that money all at
once and uh and I and they said, well we have to. And
I said, can you just spread it out a little bit? And I
called my account and I said, what do I have to say to them
just to get them to not do this. And he said, you don't
say that at all, because there's no reason for you to say that,
because you are intending to pay income tax on this money. Yes, And
I said, yeah, I mean, yeah, so yeah, it really
I mean. And my idea, my level of hyphinance doesn't even come close,
or level of expenditure or interesting expenditure even come close to Hunter Biden.
Why is this guy not in jail yet? Well, here's that's a very
interesting question because a lot of what we know they have investigated him for is
the kind of stuff that would take a competent investigator five days to pull together,
not five years. So for example, and this is probably the best
example of this, Hunter obtains a gun in a handgun in I think it
was twenty eighteen. It gets this guy is just the gift that keeps garing.
So he has to fill out the required federal He uses the money left
over from paying the prostitute. Well, no, we're coming to the next
prostitute. Slow down, get your prostitute order, Peter. So unbelievable.
He buys, he buys a gun. He fills out the federals like Form
forty four seventy three. It's it like an ATF form. Everybody's got to
fill it out when they when they purchase a firearm. And he lies in
the form about his narcotics use. He's at that time he's a historic cocaine
abuser, but at that time he's going through a jag in that in that
particular time frame, and he says in the form that he does not use
uh, illegal narcotics. A few days later, we now know from the
infamous Laptop from Hell um, he is depicted in a video with a prostitute
waving the gun around. Um, so as one does, yeah, as
one does. Um. And a couple of days after that, um,
his I guess he was then involved with with bow Biden's wife, so his
his former sister in law. Now, uh, you know paramore um,
but that was just at that time. The widow of his brother correct it,
okay, So she seeing the uh the drug abuse and the other stuff
he's up to, gets nervous and basically takes the gun away. They lose
the gun and they ended up they end up trying to I think she disposed
of it in a in the garbage of a like a grocery store that was
across the street. From a school um and eventually, you know, the
gun is recovered and there's some reporting that says the Secret Service, um,
you know, insinuated itself to try to get the documents back from the gun
transaction to make the whole thing go away. They haven't proved that yet,
but it sounds very fishy what went on here. But in any event,
that case, for a good prosecutor in a decent investigator, we're not talking,
you know, I mean, this is an Elliott Nest stuff. This
is like very straightforward. Should have taken five days to pull that case together.
It's still sitting there five years later. They haven't charged it. The
other thing we know that the prosecutor in Delaware is looking at this is the
US Attorney David Weiss in Delaware, who is appointed by I think he's appointed
by Trump, who's assigned the investigation by Bill Barr. But people should understand
if if you're the US attorney in Delaware, you can't be the US attorney
unless the two senators in the state have basically blessed that. So you know
he's got Democratic connections as well as being Trump appointed. But in any event,
the other cases we know he's looking at our crimes. We know he's
looking at our tax evasion violations that go back years, and that resulted in
leans putting on being put on Hunter's property in twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,
twenty eighteen. So this stuff is has been out there for years, and
a lot of it isn't that complicated, and yet they're sitting on it.
These cases have not gone forward. And now we're getting reports that whistleblowers have
complained to the two guys in the Senate who've been looking at this the most,
Chuck Grassley and Ron Johnson, and also to now the House committees complaints
from an investigator from the IRS and an investigator from some agency in the Justice
Department, who are complaining that there's been political interference and that they haven't been
able to do the normal things that you would do in a criminal investigation.
Hey, Andy, one to double back, just very very briefly, when
you look at what we what you started by describing, when you look at
the way that they've set up they've structured that move the money around to various
bidens, do you look at that and say, hmmm, pretty sophisticated.
These guys may have been up to no good, but they knew what they
were doing. Or do you look at and say, what amateur hour here?
Yeah, Peter, you know there's a combination of both. Is I
mean, it's really not that difficult to set up these kinds of LLCs and
a lot of the behavior I think that the Bidens engaged in here is pretty
gross. You know, some of it is obviously made the money difficult to
trace, and there's so many people involved in it. They were clearly trying
to keep the amounts down so that that really trigger people's suspicions. But my
sense of this is that, you know, I mean, with with one
of these Chinese efforts to CEFC, which is really just a Chinese intelligence operation
that that the Biden stumbled into, I mean they gave they gave Hunter a
diamond as a bribe to start off the relationship, you know, um and
uh, it just seems like, you know, pretty sort of low level
stuff, and it makes you think that at some level these guys just think
they're invulnerable. You know, this did this? A lot of this behavior
goes back when you get that idea. Yeah, but I mean, look
it goes back to like twenty ten, even even a little thing. It
shouldn't be a little thing. But you know Joe Biden being caught with classified
information that he took when he was in the Senate. You know, senators
are not not supposed to have classified information. There's a place on Capitol Hill
or places skiffs that they have to go to um to review it. It's
not like, you know, there's some ex Ecutive branch positions, which are
national security jobs, where they come and put a skiff in your house because
your whole job is national security and you're on duty you all the time.
That doesn't happen with members of Congress. If senators and members of the House
have to go to skifts to review classified documents, So what the hell is
Biden doing with classified documents in his house that date back to his time in
the Senate. And I think you see enough of that kind of behavior again
and again, and you just think these guys have a sense of entitlement and
they think that they can get away with stuff and no one's ever going to
call them on it. There's a new wrinkle this week. I mean,
going back to what you said before, I mean the fact that the hundred
stuff has been sitting there forever is fascinating because it's like somebody came to them
and said, you know, I hear this guy. It's got a gun
that he shouldn't have light on his application formed he've been waving around. He's
doing a lot of drugs and he's hiring hookers, and Siddy says, yeah,
well's gonna be hard to prove. Oh well, actually here's the video
of it. Yeah. Well, okay, okay, you mean the Russian
James, you mean the Russian disinformation, right, the Russian did They're so
good at that. Anyway, moving forward, we had a new wrinkle this
week though, in which Romania has entered the chat. Previously it was just
China in Ukraine, and now there seems to be a little Romanian connection here.
Have you been following that and exactly what was spent, what was given
to which grandchildren, and what the president eventually and what Biden then later said
about Romania back in the Yeah, so this goes to what I was saying
about some of the behavior being gross. You know, this is whalt Biden
is vice president. He's over there giving speeches in Romania about anti corruption,
and the guy who ends up being the source of the bribe turns out to
have been prosecuted in Romania for corruption and he avenged. Essentially, he gives
the Biden's a million dollars, and at least some of it is in the
form of like one hundred thousand dollars that went to one of the grandchildren.
You know, just the kind of stuff that it's. Romania played a big
role in the press conference they had the other day. I think I had
a dim memory of having heard of Romania before. But there's more countries involved
than just China and Ukraine we've had. You know, there's a Russian source
of about three and a half million dollars. There's a Mexican guy that Hunter
did business with and had a bunch of meetings that some of which involved Joe
Biden, and we don't know how lucrative that was. I have to ask
that, I have to ask the question. This is a question that Rob
has a serious question. This is flippant but seriously at the same time,
and I stipulate this is exactly the kind of question that drives Rob nuts.
I cannot forbear to ask it all the same if his we're Hunter Trump,
how would it all have been different by now? Well, first of all,
it wouldn't have gone on for decades, which this now looks. I
mean, this looks to me like it's gone on for close to twenty years.
And it would be the only story around. I mean, it would
be the only story we were talking about. It'd be almost like, let
me imagine something that might be close to it, Like let's say the border
collapsed, like there was no border enforcement and tens of thousands of people pouring
over the border. You know, if something like that happened, it would
be the only story in America that anyone was talking about that and that could
never happen, of course, something like this. Yeah, well I got
it. So and so here's my questions. Since you brought the border a
legal question, so U and I think I had this right? Correct me
when inviably I say something stupid. Federal judge in Florida blocks the Biden administration
carrying out parts of the immigration plan last night, a suit brought by clear
by Governor Ronda Santis. Is that going to be effective? In effective?
I mean, I think it's affected politically for Republicans. And if you're running
in a Republican primary, it looks like you're you know, you're sitting in
Tallahassee, but you've got the problems of the country on your mind. Is
this a little blip, is it pure theater or is there something effective here?
Hard to say at this point how the administration will react to the ruling.
I mean, the bottom line is the framers thought that the judiciary was
the least dangerous branch because they lacked the purse and the sword. And sometimes,
you know, we think that everybody in government genuflex when there's a court
decision, but in point of fact, you know, courts don't have a
means of enforcing their rulings. And if the government decides, if the if
the reigning administration decides not to follow a judicial decision, it's a question of
how much politically they think they can get away with. As you just said,
you know, these things can be politically effective, right, because it's
a most people think it's a pretty outrageous thing. If a judge makes it
appears to be a lawful ruling in the even an unlawful ruling, they feel
like, oh, to be followed until it gets reversed. Right. So,
and I think that you have to juxtapose that in terms of the politics
of it, which may be probably is much more important than the law.
You have to juxtapose that with these images, at least those of us who
watch some like you know, Fox News and other places. I guess,
I guess everybody is not seeing this, but you know, these images of
of people coming across the Rio Grand and these lines in Brownsville, Texas,
and I mean, they're just shocking. Even for those of us who've watched
this for a long time, it's just shocking to watch. Yeah, Drudge
this morning is the headline is five hundred thousand lined up to come in?
So Andy, may I ask wait a minute, Drudge? Yeah, Drudge,
who's no friend of last person in America who goes to Drudge. After
this is done, we're going to go and talk about removing bookmarks from your
browser. Andy, can you explain, Just give me a brief explainer.
Rob asked the probing questions. Here, I'll do the water bug thing skittering
across the surface. Here's the way I've been traveling the last few days.
And here's what I hear as I listen to podcasts and punched the car radio
one. There's something called title forty two. The Trump people enacted two As
of midnight last night, Title forty two expired. Three. Because Title forty
two expired, there's nothing we can do. We just have to let them
all in. What was Title forty two? And why must it be beyond
the ken of man and woman? Why can't the Speaker of the House go
in front of the cameras and say this piece of legislation will be enacted this
day in the House of Representatives and set to the Senate by noon. Well,
in other words, what is the legal How does anybody get away with
saying we don't have the legal standing to protect reporters anymore because something called Title
forty two expired. Well, let me start out with what the law says
now and why it shouldn't even be necessary for the Speaker of the House to
do what you just said. The law of the United States, by statute
says that if you are here illegally or try to get in illegally, you
shall be detained. That's the words of the statute until your application claiming lawful
admission into the United States is resolved. So, under the law, even
when we think people have a colorable legal basis to be here, they are
supposed to be detained, not released into the country until going back three years
later. Right now, we have about thirty six thousand detention spaces for people
that are dedicated to people who try to come into the country unlawfully. Now,
I think to me, and I may not be a paragon of common
sense, but like to the common sense person, what that says is,
you can't detain more than thirty six thousand people. So once you reach maximum
detention, you don't let anyone else into the country until you have room to
detain people. What the government's position has been for decades is, well,
if more the people want to come in, then we have space for Obviously,
we have to let them in and adjudicate their claims. So that's the
backward assumption that we're dealing with that even though Congress has said these people don't
have any right or authority to be at liberty inside our country. This has
been going on for decades because it's been so out of control. Title forty
two was kind of a pretext in place to kind of paper over a lack
of serious enforcement policy. Title forty two was a policy that was related to
the pandemic that gave the government an excuse to not let anyone in during COVID
because of infectious disease fears. And what a number of us argued all along,
and I think the Supreme Court, especially Justice Coursage, said this when
it came up to the Supreme Court, is the government is saying COVID's not
an emergency anymore. So what you're trying to do here is take something that
you did over COVID as a pretext and make it your policy because you don't
have the nerve to like legislature and put in actual enforcement policies. And yeah,
I think Peter that he's right about that. He's totally right about it.
But the problem is, I think in our political culture, we like
to look at all these controversies with the assumption that everybody has at some level
common ground about like the betterment of the country, but they have very different
ideas about how to get there, and this is not that issue. You
have some people who philosophically do not believe the United States should have a border,
and they want to see radical change in the country, which they think
changing the racial and ethnic composition of the country would achieve at least more rapidly
than otherwise. So I don't know how you make a compromise with people who
don't think we should have a border in the first place. But that's where
that's the reason nothing ever gets done to you reach out to the people who
are in the communities where they're being bust Two. We saw this in Chicago.
There was a town hall where they said, by the way, two
hundred and fifty immigrants, migrant's going to be coming to stay here, and
the neighborhood, which was not your shall we say what you might think of
a leafy, waspy suburb of Chicago, reacted poorly. They hadn't been consulted,
they didn't like it, didn't and they didn't The interesting thing is the
two hundred and fifty is not particularly that much. But you get the sense
that people did not want the composition of their neighborhood to be altered instantly,
in a large degree, all at once. So when you ask people about
this thing, you actually find common ground. And so their solution, of
course, is just simply not to ask. All right. It takes a
I mean, I don't know what, I don't know what. I think.
I've read like the Bolsheviks that had about seven percent support in Russia in
you know, when the revolution started in nineteen seventeen. So I think it
takes no but it may be. But what all My point is that I
just think it takes a only a small determined faction, uh to make you
know, real progress for itself, if it's willing to do things that defy
what what people think are like and and likewise, at the same time,
I'm sorry, but this would be my last event. But you know my
last vent. Donald Trump does this town hall on CNN, and it's he's
on form. He's Trump again, except that we've lived with him and we
know this is just not going to end well. So I'm saying to myself,
wait a minute, Well you know what I know, I am now
in favor of vivic rama Swami because that guy is talking back. Why has
it ron to Santa Is stepped in front of the cameras already this morning?
You say it, of course correctly. If you have a dedicated faction,
and they seem to be the people in charge of this walking zombie who's the
President of the United States, the people adjusting him and moving him and propping
him up, seem to be this dedicated faction that wants to eliminate the border.
Likewise, what we need on our side is leadership, leadership, not
this. Donald Trump has his points. He's an amazing and engrossing person,
but he's not a leader at this point. Let's hear from you. De
Santis, Glen Young can stop screwing around if you're going to run for president,
because this is a crisis. Say so, these people should be in
front of the cameras before Monday. I'm done venting, or Andy. Is
it possible that the right can ever adrest this issue because it's been tainted with
the allegations of xenophobia, racism, etc. It can only come from somebody
in the Democratic Party, somebody to make the populous point from the Democrat Party
why this can't stand and why it's to use their favorite word sustainable. Yeah,
well, I don't know. I mean, I'm not a Trump fan,
um, but I do think he moved what they I guess they called
the Overton window on us, right. Yeah, so I think it is
possible to make these arguments, and I'm you know, I'm looking. I'm
with Peter on this. I think THEOT to be getting busy. I know,
the Santis is on his own schedule in terms of when he wants to
announce his candidacy. But you know, here, here's the crisis. Where's
the man. There are times when you don't get to choose. Yep,
yeah, yep yeah. Just just to piggyback on that, I mean,
one person who is and who is moving the over to window a little bit.
On the other side is Eric Adams, who's discovered that a city as
big as New York City, which actually probably just statistically could take many more
uh migrants from the border right just in terms of space and people and budget,
more many more than Brownsville, Texas, as long as you put them
any place but the village. Yeah, truth, the consequences New Mexico.
He's decided that this is a crisis for New York City, which, of
course, if you're the mayor of any of those little towns, small bunch
of towns around the border, you must be rolling your eyes like, are
you serious, dude? I would they exist on one tenth of one percent
of his budget. But since we're talking about since I brought up New York
City, I gotta bring up another before we let you know, because you're
you're you know you already put Hunter Biden in jail, thank you on I
guess today or tomorrow. Daniel Penny, who was riding the subway with Jordan
Neely right, Jordan Neely was the man who was either threatening or making trouble
or doing the kinds of things that threatened people on the subway car put him
in a chokehold. He died. The district attorney, Manhattan District Attorney has
said that he is going to charge Penny for second degree manslaughter. I think
he's going to be he's going to surrender today, or maybe he's already surrendered.
He said it to trainer Friday morning, stipulated, this seems morally ridiculous,
like like an absolute put up job by a Manhattan District attorney who is
among the worst, maybe the worst da we've ever had in the city,
focusing entirely on the wrong things instead of the right things. What do you
think's going to happen here? Is this marine gonna go to jail? No,
I think he'll get he'll get acquitted if they're daft enough to follow through
with this. But you know, I think we talk all the time about
the many, many things that are wrong with the federal government. One thing
that's right with the federal government is that prosecutors are appointed, they're not elected,
you know, they and they get vetted. They get vetted by the
Senate. And even though this may be you know, the tribute that vice
pays to virtue, they at least pay lip service to the idea that they
are going to enforce the law in a nonpartisan fashion. That is part of
the expectation of being qualified to be a prosecutor, at least in the federal
system. So I think when you look at Bragg, the state system is
not that way. I think it's much more accurate to look at Bragg as
an elected progressive Democrat than as a law enforcement efficient Yeah, right, if
you inject I think, if you would inject electoral politics into this instead of
the things that drive law enforcement decisions, what he has to do is use
his power in a way that pleases to people who put him there in the
first place. And I looked at this this morning because I wrote about this
financial review for this coming weekend. There are one point seven million people on
the island of Manhattan. Eighty five thousand people voted for Alan Bragg in the
Democratic primary, which essentially made him the district attorney. So that's about five
percent of the residence. So we're back again to the determined faction. I
guess that's why I have it in the front of the brain today. But
he's there to deliver progressive results. He's not going to be judged by whether
there are acquittals in the case because it's not a law enforcement decision. It's
a political decision. It's the same reason he charged Trump in a case that
he didn't even lay out what the crime is in the indictment. Because what
he's there to do is what he campaigned on, which is to use use
the powers of the District Attorney's office to further the walk progressive ageddam That's what
he's doing, and he can really quickly. This is on my mind because
of Trump and the trial the other day. You just said totally confidently,
and you said it immediately as though it's just something that is part of the
ground of your being that this guy would be acquitted if you if it want
to trial, right, are you can we Here's the question is Manhattan,
Manhattan juries. Can you get twelve people to do the right thing, to
stand above identity politics and Manhattan. It just Peter here. I guess i'd
be I'd be reassured. Please reassure me that. Yeah. Here's the difference
between the Penny case and the Trump case. The Trump case is a political
case. The Penny case is about security on the subway. Manheal Knights ride
the subway. They are craving. They know what a hellscape it's become.
They are craving police presence on it. And they want somebody, a man
who won't just look at his shoes when some insane person gets on a train
car and starts to harass the old ladies and harass everybody else on the train,
card intimidate them. They may it may have become the fashion in New
York that men are now supposed to just like sort of stare at their shoes
and look at their phones while that kind of stuff goes on. But this
guy Penny, who actually in a valorous way put himself on the line against
somebody who is a career criminal who just get out of Riker's Island after I
think sixteen months there for punching an old lady in the face where he broke
her nose and broke her occipital bone arrested forty two times and threatening to people.
And what New Yorkers, even in Manhattan one, when they're on the
subway, is somebody like Daniel Penny who's willing to step up. So I
don't see how you get twelve people to agree to convict him, thank you.
The quantity of his arrest just simply means it's forty two times that the
system failed him, is what we're led to believe. We're supposed to be
told by some of these people that the fact that he was raving and screaming
on the subway is a reflective of a society that refused to do anything for
him. At some point, people wash their hands of that and say,
no, it is the obligation of the society to make sure that people are
safe in the subway. And you have this new idea amongst the left that
not only should we stare at our shoes, but this is part of the
rich and diverse, vibrant element of living in a city. Well, you
know, as it's just why you gotta put up with. This is what
you this is what we do here. If you don't like it, go
back to the go to the suburbs and drive a car, to which most
people would say, yes, yes, I will. I don't know what
burb you are in, Andy or what you're driving, but we're glad you
pop by today. And for those of you who are looking on the live
stream, he's wearing a Chicago hat. I was just in Chicago, and
I was I actually had people were telling me, you know, you're going
to Chicago, as if they expected that I'd be gunned down in front of
the Art Museum. No, it was a Saturday, It was beautiful,
and there were so many tourists around. There were so many people that had
felt absolutely safe, which is what cities need and what they're not getting.
But that's another day. Know the story and know the podcast. No the
raps. Thanks for joining us. Andy, We'll talk to you later.
Hey Man. Great to be with you guys. Thanks Andy, Thank you
Andy. Rob. I was going to ask you, and this is not
a segway, are the streets of New York because I just mentioned Chicago,
which was great because there was all kinds of people there and it made it
safe. Now, granted they were all just staring at the mirrored bean or
walking around him. If you're going to Avenue gawking at the buildings, but
cities need eyes subways. I mean, the reason that they don't feel safe
to a lot of people was because if somebody mentioned there's not the guy who's
who you think is going to step up, that nobody's stepping up, that
there's just a rot in a drain that is plaguing our cities. That is
irreversible. Is how is New York doing? Which is probably not a question,
so I guess it is an issue. I mean, I don't think
it's irreversible at all. I mean, I mean I couldn't imagine anything worse
than New York City in nineteen eighty nine or nineteen ninety. I mean,
because people who murder rate was much higher. It's reversible. You just have
to just decide you're going to reverse it. Um. But also, I
mean in New York and eighty nine ninety did not have the sort of depopular
but you still had downtown office corps that were fairly well developed. In families,
you didn't have to try back, you didn't have a behalf of the
Brooklyn was still kind of a kill zone. Now, young people move to
New York City and they moved to Crown Heights. I know people when I
first came back after being thirty years in LA and I'd meet people and say
where do you where you live? They'd say Crown Heights and I'd say,
no, you can't live in Crown Heights, right, but of course you
can't live in grown is crazy, but people live. Good things have happened.
I just and I think the best thing that has happened. If everyone's
are the focuses and people and we isolate and point and shout at the people
who have lost their minds, which includes people on the subway and also people
who are in the Manhattan District Attorney's office, we can easily get it back,
and we could easily get we could almost get like I have an optimist
so I don't think anything is inevitable and or inevitable or irreversible. Decline is
a I mean, this is a cliche, but it's true. It's a
choice and we can choose not to. And it isn't that, especially now,
because the opposition to that is so bizarre, it's so weird. It
wasn't not weird in the sixties or even the seventies. To want big government
programs made total sense. If you were, especially if you've grown up under
the New Deal. These are all making liberalism, big government, liberal policies
make a certain amount of sense. I mean, I don't think they're right,
but I get it. They're not irrational. Nobody looked at somebody who
was liberal and said you're weird. It only became like in the nineties and
then oughts where the weirdness started to creep in, and that the strange like
regulations and the strange bias in favor of like crazy people walking on the subway,
that that is something that is easily winnable from an opposition, you know,
political opposition that want to make it. I mean, I remember that's
the one thing that that King Rich said, king Rich, whatever you think
of him, now, political genius in nineteen ninety four ninety five, and
he kept saying, let's just remind America how weird the left is. Not
that that you know, big government this or that, just how weird it
is and how weird some of their policies are. UM. And that was
very successful. And I think we're we had that opportunity now and we're kind
of not taking it, seems people on the right. UM. But I
still have hope. Okay, by the way, I'm with both of you.
I'm with James that New York is important. The one year I lived
in New York, I'll be very brief about this, but I have experience
of it. The one year in my life I lived in New York was
nineteen ninety nineteen ninety one. Now, this is after we'd won the Cold
War. The country had been turned around. But everybody with whom I spoke
in New York said get out of here. My wife and I had just
gotten married, we'd had our first child, and I was asking people an
what I do by an apartment or just no, here's what you do.
You're still young, leave get out now. I can remember driving out to
visit people and friends for the weekend in Bucks County in Pennsylvania and pausing before
going to the Lincoln Tunnel, and it was totally standard to have the squeege
men, the guys who had put some soap on your window and then you
either paid them something, roll down your window and paid them something, or
they broke off the windshield wiper. Okay, and then Rudy Giuliani comes along.
We now forget this because we had a dozen years of Mike Bloomberg.
He tends to get the credit for saving the city. He did do a
lot, I have to grant that. And Rudy himself has now become such
a crazy person and so tied up with all of this election denial. Nevertheless,
when he was elected, he transformed the city. It was an act
of political will. And by then I had left the property values of all
the apartments I might have bought. At that time. We're starting to climb.
But my friends in New York were saying, oh, oh, this
we can do it. It's a choice. It's a choice. You can
save the city. It's really important, really important for the whole country that
the results of that experiment should be preserved, that New York should continue to
function, that the subways get cleaned up again, and on and on.
Yeah. But I mean my point is New York is a place to start
in a way it was for so many a couple of decades. Now the
example of what could be done, not just New York, New York,
Chicago, San Francisco, Portland, every city in America. A last,
one of the choices that people make is to stay home in the pajamas and
work, which is completely understandable. It's rational to say I would rather be
home and be comfortable and walk the dog when I waste them get in my
car, or get on the subway subway and go someplace and sitting in an
office in a teal devil pen and tap away for eight hours. People don't
want to do that anymore, which is a rational decision that people make,
and the aggregate consequences of that are ruinous. When I was in Chicago last
week, as a matter of fact, it's about actually to the moment.
About seven days ago, I was walking down a rather unremarkable street in Chicago
and encountered a couple three buildings which stood out to me because they were ordinary
and normal. One of them was the Banker's Building, which was what it
was named nineteen twenty four. When it went up, was presumed to be
twenty five stories when it was announced they couldn't stop. I guess when they
got going, because it went up to forty one stories nineteen twenty four.
The ornamentation is rather wrote for nineteen twenty four. The building itself looks a
little bit shabby because they replaced some bricks with other bricks, but it's huge
it's absolutely immense. It's forty one stories of offices where people worked in.
Right next to it is the Field Building, which has now been renamed,
which went up in the teeth of the depression when it finished in nineteen thirty
four, forty seven stories. I think. I say, it's enormous,
and the style is different, stripped down its machine orient it's modernistic. It's
the America that's coming and at the absolute native of capitalism. The Field Company
just said, screw it, we're going to build it, and they built
it. And it's tall. And that across the street from that is a
nineteen sixties technocratic international style means Vandero post Office building, which itself is almost
piece of abstract sculpture, and it has a certain black presence to it,
and it's also got an interesting sculpture. So take three of these buildings together,
and each one of them has their different function in American society. The
post office building, well, we don't send letters anymore, and nobody looks
for the mail. The banker's building, while we all bank online, nobody
goes into a hall anymore and exchanges coins through a little getting cage. And
the Field Building, while it was named after a retailed empire, which is
dissolving because everybody wants to shop from home on Amazon. All of these three
paradigms are shifted, but these buildings remain, and they are absolutely unremarkable for
Chicago. In any other city, they would be monuments. Here, they're
unremarkable because Chicago has so much of this, sobody tall towers, so someone
being broad shoulders from block to block to block. And it's great and there's
an energy to it when you just look at it, and when you study
the themes and the styles and the history of the American twentieth century that's written
on all of these facades, you cannot help but love the city and want
more of it. But you also feel, looking around at everybody in their
pajamas at home, that the time when America built tall towers is done.
And that's a choice that somehow we all decided to make. And it's a
bad one, and I don't like it, and I don't do not know
what to do about it, and I do not want to become marinated in
my own pessimism about that, because it bleeds into everything else we built up,
you know, the Empire State building, when everything else was crashed.
We keep going up, and you know, Elon Musk and the rest of
the guys going up. That's great in the rocket sense. I like that
there are all You can't apply a twentieth century paradigm to everything else and expect
the grid to overly perfectly. But I worry about the death of the cities
because at the height of the American Renaissance was the renaissance in these cities as
well, where they were pleasant, interesting, fascinating, artistic, good places
to go. And America is both the rural, the small town, the
medium sized burg, of which we've got so many, but it's also the
dethrobbing heart of the metropolis. And what each one of these places says about
America, and I hate to lose that characteristic and it's difficult. I've made
a rant at the end of the show where everybody's tuned up. Don't really
matter, but I would like to know. I would just say this,
James, to make you feel better and worse. At the same time,
they built a huge tower here in New York City, tall tower in Brooklyn
for people, now I mean in Manhattan Midtown, for people, for billionaires
to live in. And it turns out the elevators don't work, and so
people who have been spending thirty million, forty million dollars these apartments, the
things shaking like crazy and the elevators aren't working. And it's absolute, tiny
little seedlet of populism. But somehow I didn't think existed in the and the
harsh soil of my soul has sprouted. And we walked by that building,
and everybody place goes. All those rich guys, they got to take the
stairs sometimes. Uh huh are you talking about Symphony Place? We're talking about
billionaires Row right here, which is a series of super tall buildings. Normally,
the engineering expertise that keeps these things from waving more than five feet in
the wind, it's pretty good. But when they built one of these supertalls,
they did not factor into well. My favorite story about one of them
is that the it's got a trash shoot naturally, and when people throw down
eight stories of something rocketing down because right because what they eat, and the
pipe snap because it sways a little bit too much. Each one has their
own little dampening mechanisms. So I know, I just I am. I
hate the supertalls. They're they're architecturally meretricious. So I'm I am glad that
that and then a Brooklyn tall. You just want too tall, You're just
no satisfy. I am just the Goldilocks and these. No. I want
tall, and I want too tall, but I want it to be for
a mixed use thing, and I wanted to be sturdy, not some little
slender read in the restiume on. Speaking of which, I would love to
say that there's a New York meet up coming soon. But Robbie can catch
us up on where the meetups are going to be. Well listen, well,
maybe we should have a New York meet up. If you're interested,
let's set up. Um okay, uh, there's a bunch of meetup stuff.
If you are not a member Ricochet, why are you not a member
Ricochet? Join and come to the IRL events. They're the most fun.
That's the perk of being a member. Here perk of joining the club,
and we want you to join. PJS open invitation to Yankees game this week.
So um, I hope somebody took her up on. Western Chauvinist has
acquired about members in the UK. The Western Chauvinis is gonna be in the
UK later this month. So let it know you know, Um, Tory
war Writer is back and hoping to meet members in or around Columbus, Ohio
in late June. Uh. Columbus is a beautiful city. It really is
a beautiful city. Um. People aways forget about Columbus. This isix Cincinnati,
Cleveland, Columbus is beautiful. Um. And Randy's got another meetup uh
set for Winston Salem mid July. UM, so lots of stuff is happening
in the summer. Matt Balters also ask you for rsp peas for the annual
German Fest meetup in Milwaukee. That's also the last weekend in July. UM
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do. We show up and have a lovely conversation, set of conversations,
and hoisted drink or two and make some jokes. And it's an incredibly lovely
group, and we want you to join bub and we're gonna and so James,
you and I want to talk about a New York time. We'll have
to set. We'll have to because I don't want to deprive you of an
opportunity to come to New York so you can walk around and get depressed.
No, I won't be depressed. I will be elevated by the beating of
the architecture, as I inevitably am depressed when I leave, but happy to
do so because after about three or four days, I always look in New
York and say you win, and sort of slink out of town with the
din still echoing in my ears to quiet Mini Rob. I'm still thinking,
can I get a job as a Domino's pizza delivery guy? Because I'm thinking
that if you have to walk up sixty flights of stairs to deliver a pizza
to a billionaire, you get a pretty good tip. When was the last
time, Peter, that you met a billionaire who was a good kipper or
who ordered from Domino's. Peter, the point you make, I think after
the sixtieth floor, they land on the helicopter pad at the top of the
roof and the guy just repels down the window, you know, Batman style,
and drops it in. That's it. We're done. It's been fun,
great time. Good to talk to you guys again. And I might
not be here next week because I may be off again. I'll last.
I'm sure you'll carry on. Thanks everybody for listening. Boll And Branch with
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