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Welcome to Macina Island Moments, hosted
by lifelong islander Jason saint Ande. Through

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conversations and interviews with Foe Island locals
and residents, Jason will bring you the

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real stories and characters that the final
life on the island. Whether you're a

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seasoned visitor, can you to Macna
Island or even An Island or yourself,

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You'll be sure to learn firsthand about
the island with Jason on Macan Island Moments.

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And welcome to another edition of the
mac and Island Moments podcast, the

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only podcast brought to you from Macan
Island by an actual year round islander folks.

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This is episode number nine, Lucky
number nine. You know, the

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weather's been kind of fickle lately to
gets you brought up to speed and how

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her spring is going. It's been
pretty cool. In fact, this morning

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when I woke up, the temperature
was sunny, but the temperature is only

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about twenty nine degrees and that's a
little on the cool side for late April.

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Of course, it's not raining day
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take it. So it's been a
cool It was a very mild winter and

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it's been funello up by a very
cool spring, and we'd prefer to have

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a real winter, at least I
would in a real spring. But this

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is a handw're dealt this year.
We can't control it, so we'll just

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move forward. So today, in
this episode, it was inevitable we're going

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to have to talk about horses,
and of course we have to delve into

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this area. And I think something
that I should mention is that the horses

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are here year round. While a
bulk of the herd is shipped thirty miles

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north to farms for winter pasture,
a small amount, maybe twelve to twenty

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or so, they remain here on
the island to keep the deliveries going and

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the taxi service. You know,
the dres still deliver you know, goods

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and food year round and construction materials
and such. So there are twelve to

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twenty and maybe I'm off there.
There could be twenty four, maybe pushing

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thirty horses. I'm not one hundred
percent sure. But in the summer,

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you know, there's upwards of five
hundred horses. So when I say a

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small amount, twenty or twenty four
would still be a small out. Why

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do they ship the horses in the
winter. We get that a lot.

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Well, it's easier to take the
horses to their feed than to continue to

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ship the feed to the horses,
if that makes sense. You know,

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all the hay for the that the
horses eat all year is grown adjacent or

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on the farms where the horses spend
their winter, and so of course it's

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easier to send the horses up there
for the winter. You know, just

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because the horse is done working on
the island, it still has to get

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you know, three hots and a
cot, as they say, it needs

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a place to stay and it needs
to be fed every day. So it's

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easier to send the horses once in
the fall up to the farm and then

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feed them there, as you know, as opposed to trying to bring the

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hay here. And and of course
with the winner, you never know what

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you're going to get, if the
fairies will be laid up early or there

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won't be sufficient ice, so overall
is just an easier move to operate that

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way. So let me disqualify myself
about any horse talk here. And that's

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right, I said, disqualify myself. I'm not qualified to talk about horses,

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as believe it or not, I
haven't been on a horse since nineteen

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eighty one. I can't ride them, drive them, hitch them, talk

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to them. I'm just I'm a
big fan. I give horses their space.

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All I know about horses is you
put gas in them and they go.

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I sure appreciate the men and women
who can, you know, drive

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them and rope them and ride them
and wrangle them. But that's not me.

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I'm not a horse guy. I
ride my bicycle, which I referred

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to as my iron horse. But
you know, later in the podcast,

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we're going to be joined by a
guy who can do all that and more,

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and he helps look after the operation
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he's an expert in his field,
and he's a fun guy to talk

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to, and he's gonna tell us
all about the operations of what is known

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as the largest commercial livery service in
the world. So you know, it's

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kind of exciting. So stand by, we're gonna we're gonna have deal with

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us here, Dale Peterson here with
us. Shortly. I was also asked,

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you know what becomes of all the
horse exhaust you or the pooh I'm

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sure you know. Mike Rowe when
he was here doing dirty jobs, he

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handled that question quite extensively. It
was probably fifteen years ago or so,

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and you know, he summarized it
pretty well and how the whole system works,

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and you know, just to kind
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the downtown, the downtown streets are
swept manually. You know. You

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see these guys with the wheelbarrows or
the bicycles with the hopper on the back,

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and they sweep and shovel it and
it's a tough job and they work

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all day every day. You know, cleaning up behind five hundred horses is

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no small affair. And then in
the outer burrows they use a horse drawn

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sweeper machine. It was kind of
developed by a local guy here, and

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they drive around every day all day
and they ride over it and it sweeps

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it up into a hopper where you
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We'll get to that in a second. I should also mention downtown. Every

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night, in the middle of the
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crew goes out with hoses and flushes
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of horses can't be swept up,
and so they flushed the streets. So

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there, if you ever noticed there
there isn't any stain or residue from horse

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urine from the day before, because
every night it gets its flushed down with

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hoses, so the streets are fresh. And those guys work really hard too,

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and that's not an easy job,
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So the you know, the the
manure is essential. It's you know,

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picked up and then and then put
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and then that's brought out to the
island recycling center. And let me tell

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you that operation out there is a
whole other episode. We'll we'll probably have

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to go out there and talk to
the guys. Uh. The island does

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not have a landfill. All of
the waste is shipped off the island in

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the summer pretty much daily. But
we do have a recycling facility out there.

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It's a pretty extensive and and we
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I'm probably not using the correct terminology, but the guys out there do composting

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with food scraps from the restaurants and
hotels and then they mix it with the

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manure and then they you know,
they let it sit for I'm guessing about

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a year. And anyway, the
byproduct becomes really rich, great soil,

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and the gardeners love it, and
the grounds crews and the various hotels that

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have you know, extensive grounds,
they get that soil and they use it.

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And so it's really kind of a
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circle of life, but because it's
not life. It's manure. But you

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get what I'm saying. It's you
know, the stuff gets reused, turned

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into compost and then they grow flowers
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it's pretty neat, and that in
a nutshell, is what happens.

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Like I said, well, we'll
probably have to head out to the solid

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waste handling facility and talk with those
guys before the summer's up. And it's

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pretty fascinating actually, and how much
work they have to accomplish. But that's

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what happens with the manure. Now, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention,

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you know, a lot of the
lot of the old farmers they say

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it's you know, it's good to
put on the strawberries, but you know,

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I wouldn't know because I prefer whipped
cream online. So you know,

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back to Mike Rowe when he was
here that was a fun time we had

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with him. He has to be
to date, the most down to earth

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celebrity I've ever encountered on the Island
or anywhere else. And if you'll notice,

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if you follow his show, the
or the reruns of the show,

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and even sometimes when he's doing the
roundtable on Deadliest Catch and these are all

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on Discovery Channel, every now and
then he wears a Mac and Island Fire

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Department T shirt and on the air. And the story behind that is while

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he was here doing his big show
on the island. You know, he

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was here for three or four days, and we got to be friends,

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and we'd meet up at night and
sample some of the local fair at some

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of the island taverns. And one
night we were sitting at the bar in

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the Yankee Rebel and sampling out some
of the local fair and he said,

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how does a guy get one of
those Mac and Island Fire Department T shirts?

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And I said, well, you're
in luck. I know exactly how

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a guy can get one. So
I ran up here to the Market Street

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fire station and grabbed him one,
brought it back and he said, can

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I get one from my girlfriend too? And I said, this is a

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smart guy. This is a smart
guy. He's he's going to remember to

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bring home a souvenir, and on
top of it, one he doesn't even

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have to pay for. So anyway, that's how we got our t shirts

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that when you see him wear those
on the air and or at least mostly

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in reruns, I haven't seen him
do it lately. That's a story behind

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that. So a good guy,
a lot of fun everyone on the island

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really enjoyed. And he was here. He was visible, hung out with

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the locals, hung out in the
bars, just real approachable, down to

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earth, down to earth guy.
So our special guest today, Dale Peterson.

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This guy knows everything you need to
know about horses and then some.

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And we welcome him to the show. All right, Dale Peterson is on

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the show on the podcast with us. Dale, Thanks for being here,

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Oh, thank you for having me. It's great. I know you're gonna

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answer a pile of questions. You
know, first and foremost, can you

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just kind of introduce, you know, how long you've been here, and

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what's your official title and what is
it you do here in the day.

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Well, right now, my title
is Barnes Supervisor. I arrived in nineteen

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eighty four. I come for one
year to really party, and well,

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I haven't left since really met my
wife ten years later and I'm still here

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for forty one years. What's been
a hell of a party. It was

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pretty fun. Yeah, So you
know, we're going to talk about what

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goes on. We're up at the
big barnes up here. That's what most

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of the locals call them, the
big barnes. It's where the central hub,

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if you will, of all of
the carriage to our McDonald cariage to

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our horses, kind of congregate or
work out of Dale. There's people in

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these barnes twenty four hours a day, I presume. And when does the

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lion's share the employees start to show
up in the morning. Generally they start

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coming in about seven o'clock, seven
to eight o'clock, depending on what they're

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driving for the day. Okay,
and then so there are people around the

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clock though, oh absolutely, we
have a night crew that feeds the horses,

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takes care of them, cleans the
manure. Right. I gotta ask

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this question everybody that's not in the
know with horses. You have roughly five

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hundred horses up here. How do
you how are you able to tell them

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apart once they're bridles and all that
comes off and they're out in the pen.

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Well, most of them are pretty
easy. I used to know them

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all, but anymore I just let
the girls worry about it, right.

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But there is somebody on staff who
can walk into a corral full of horses

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and name them right off. Absolutely, Judy's really good at it. Judy

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Bishop. Oh, she's a legend. Yes. How often do you have

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a horse? I just can't cut
it here? You brought it to the

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owlnd of work and it just it's
not right for the place. Has that

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ever happen? Absolutely? We get
about thirty to forty new horses here every

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year, and anywhere from six to
eight of those will not work out.

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Really, Yeah, some of them
just too high strung, so they just

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go back to the farm try to
rebreak them. Or they either rebreak them,

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send them to charm school as we
call it, or they just peddle

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them off to somebody else. Oh
excellent. And you know one thing I

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should mention there are other other horse
companies on the owner's private horses, and

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then there's there's golf Livery of course, which operates the riding stables and one

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thing I want to mention is there's
no rivalry amongst these employees. When there's

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an issue with a horse, they
all come running, they all come to

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help. I don't think you see
that in a lot of other businesses.

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I wonder if McDonald's deep friers went
down, I don't see burger king holler

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and bring your stuff over here and
we'll fry it for you. But boy,

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you horse folks sure help each other
out. And it's pretty neat.

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Yeah, And there's trouble with any
type of horse, it doesn't matter whose

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horse it is. You just go
and help, right, that's pretty amazing.

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So you get in in the day, Give me a day in a

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life of a typical day of life
in the big barns here. Okay.

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Well, I arrive usually about six
thirty in the morning, and now I

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will talk with the night crew about
any problems, sick courses, plumbing issues,

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everything is okay there. Then I
will check the forecast, communicate with

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the farm crew to decide on what
type of hey we want to get that

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day, check our oats, see
if we need to order any from the

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feed meal At Pickford, we go
through about three hundred tons of oats per

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season. Wow. Forty thousand square
bales and two thousand round bales. Wow.

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So does hay come every day?
Pretty much? Usually five or six

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days a week. And what's a
daily shipment of hey look like? Tonnage

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wise or bail wise? Usually we
get three to four wagon loads and there's

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about seventy bails per wagon. Wow, that's amazing. So let me ask

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you this question. We post it
up on on our Facebook page that we're

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going to be here today and we
ask folks for questions. They could ask,

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is there a chance you'll do a
little Q and A with me here?

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A little rapid fire Q and A
certainly? All right? So we've

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got these rapid fire questions that came
in off social media Facebook. What does

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it take from James? What does
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Keep them well fed and they like
to work, they'd be happy, I

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think like everybody else pretty much.
So April asks from the photo I posted,

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is that a Clydesdale And is that
your favorite breed? No, that

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is not a Clydesdale, and my
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And what is the primarily what are
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our draft horses. Sure that makes
sense. They all get along. Or

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do they have to watch who they
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to watch. Some of them are
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certain horses. So again like people. Absolutely, okay. Jane who asks

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how often do the horses get their
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they wear? The shoes are changed
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horse, and we use some steel
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okay. Julius Stern says, do
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we're lonely. You made me lose
my place. Dale bo Bolinski wants to

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know if you know the name of
every horse. I think we covered that,

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and he wants no, whin's the
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That would have been last summer.
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several times actually, but there you
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how many there are? I said, five hundred. What do you think

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is the actually five hundred probably total
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hundred and fifty here at the peak
of the season. Okay, here's the

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important question, Cindy asks. Are
the ferriers, which for you folks who

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don't know, those are the folks
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of one of the same. And
the vets veterinarians are they on staff twenty

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four to seven and right here on
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have three full time failures here that
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have rotating veterinarians that are always here. Wow. Our buddy John Durosia,

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of course, had to ask why
the long face? That's an old macin

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a joke. Folks, You guys, you're all going to get exposed to

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all these hundreds of years of Mac
and Island jokes, and we sure like

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we have a fresh audience, we
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Teresa wants to know what's the human
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three to one. Okay, that's
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wow, that's an amazing amount of
overhead. Susan wants to know, how

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do you know which harnesses go to
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the spring. Is there a marketing
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horses with paper tags in the fall
left right horses names also some identified identifying

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marks. That way, it makes
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Wow, these have been great questions. I'm sorry we couldn't hang on for

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more, but Dale's a busy guy. Is there anything you want to tell

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us about the operations here that a
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that you haven't already told him in
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no, I can't think of anything
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And here's questions I've been asking all
of our folks we've had on the

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podcast this talk about the island being
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island being haunted? I'm not a
believer in that. Yeah. And and

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of course I have to ask your
favorite celebrity and your time here on the

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island that you've met her encountered.
Well, we touched on it earlier there,

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Mike Rowe. That was a fun
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met Charles Woodson down there at the
yacht club several years ago with the are

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you hoyding Toyd down at the yacht
club? Dale? Yeah, somebody gave

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us tickets, so that's Sir Charles
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Charles woods And then the other one
was George Bush Senior was here. I

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was put on with some other people
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Sure, that's that's pretty uh,
pretty good crew of celebrities, that's for

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sure. And you know you mentioned
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did want to mention is that your
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close, just there to keep an
eye on the horses in case any issues

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arise. And the reason, folks, those guys are in planes close is

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if they were any sort of uniform, they would get bothered with questions like

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where are the bathrooms, where should
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that sort of stuff. So these
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on everything in the horses, and
they do so kind of disguised, if

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you will, just so they can
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with the questions. So that's why
we're up here in the barnyard talking to

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Dale, because we close the door
and put the shades down so he's not

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able to look out the window for
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which has really helped. And I
can't thank you enough for being here at

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Dale and I hope you had some
fun I did. This was pretty neat.

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And once again, folks, I'm
Jason saint IM's with the mcland Moments

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podcast, brought to you from mcin
Island and everybody, good day. Well

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left my dear rule to feed home
in the ear of sixty four, went

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to work as a carriage boy on
the back Inas shore. We go to

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work at eight o'clock and work from
there to find at supper time you'll see

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us come with horship in our ride, will it when we are hungry and

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we'll drink clearly, I ride back
when we want to smoke at heaven when

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we die. If ever I say
on mccinclock, it'll have to be my

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I'm just a plain old mousie.
I'm a closin us home well and then

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Baker run mc and coll and like
very well. The evening we went for

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a walk up to the Grand Hotel. She ordered up from all Champagne with

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grou Johnny Rye and when I looked
over she had horse in her eyesquent me,

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you're huy, and we'll drink when
me I drive tobacco. When we

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want to smoke. It's heaven when
we die. If every rice day on

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mccanna, you'll have to be my
on, I'm just a prain or the

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v I'm a dozen mouths. Over
one evening after supper time and all her

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work was done headed for the most
time, but there we had some fun.

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I brought her to our table in
his way shirt and his time.

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And when we looked down over he
had horses in his eyes slowly quenty are

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hungry, and we'll drink when I
drive tobacco when we want to smoke.

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It's heaven when we die. If
every rice day on mccanna, you'll have

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to be mile on. I'm just
a plain, or to see I'm as

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well. Now my song is ended. Friends, I leave you with glad

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joy. Never let your sons or
daughters work. Gone back in the aisle

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to see us coming off from work. When make her girlfriends crying with her

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hard hats and our glasses and horse
our