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Welcome to Open Minds Radio with Alejandro
Roja. Open Minds Radio is the UFO

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news authority presenting evidence and the latest
news regarding the UFO phenomenon. Here's your

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host, Alejandro Roja. Hello and
welcome to Open Minds Radio. I hope

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you are enjoying your Memorial Day.
Hopefully you have the day off and you're

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out barbecuing and having fun, because
that's what we're doing. We're actually not

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in the office. This is not
live. Instead we pre recorded or actually

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this is an interview I recorded five
six years ago with Darryl Simms, the

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alien hunter, and after spending a
weekend together when we brought him out to

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Denver, we sat down and I
was able to get him to talk about

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some of the interesting stories he has
accumulated over the years. I hope you

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enjoyed the show. The first thing
I would like to start with is just

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a general background, well my background
in terms of as an investigator. My

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background, I was in the Military
Police for three years as a volunteer during

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the Vietnam War. Soon after that, the Central Intelligence Sagency contacted me,

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through me and a number of other
people, about sixty of us in the

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military police school and we had no
idea who they were. Long story shortest,

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we simply ended up in Central Intelligence
Agency in a covert operations group for

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two years. So my background investigating
as a police officer for three years,

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two years as someone that was in
the intelligence business, and the fact I've

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been a private investigator and a process
server licensed in the state of Texas,

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all this moves together toward my area
of investigations on physical evidence of those who

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alleged humidiated in contact. And then
when did you move on to hypnotherapy and

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in particular working with abductees. I've
been working in hypnotherapy about fifteen years.

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I learned that specifically not for the
purpose of abductions, but specifically for the

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purpose of accelerated learning and things that
I was very interested in doing. I

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ran some sensory deprivation tanks about fifteen
years ago, wet and dry tanks,

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and would train professionals who were concert
pianists and concert guitarists. And as an

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example, the Houston Classical Guitar Society
paid me two thousand dollars for presentation on

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how for them to do play better
and performed better using some of our techniques

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which I used the worst and the
very best of their people, the president

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and one of the lowest members,
and the results were startling to all those

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who listened. Is there a particular
moment or something that an event perhaps that

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drove you to move? And I
delved so deeply that abducta actually that there

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was. My abduction started in nineteen
fifty two when I was four years old,

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and they ended violently thirteen years later
in nineteen sixty five. As far

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as I was concerned, that was
it and everything was over. Trauma's great,

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you know it's over. You know. I had no idea what stuff

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was all about. Just knew that
it was real. It was happening to

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me, and I said, kept
a lot of it quiet. I kept

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it quiet for my family because the
events were over. The only problem is

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when I was my son was about
six years old, he experienced his first

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subduction, and of course that just
opened up the biggest can of worms you

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can imagine for the family. My
wife wouldn't know what was going on,

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and so I had to tell her
and said, it's in the family lineage

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and it won't affect everybody, but
it will affec sun and fortunately it's not

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affected my daughter or my grandchildren,
which I am grateful for, but it

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almost destroyed my son's life. Was
your wife aware of your situation or even

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with the field in general before this
happened, not at all. I kept

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all this away from my family.
I did not want anybody to know this

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stuff. So one of the things
that we were really interested in bringing it

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to Colorado for was related to an
incredible case that we've had in the last

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few years, and where from your
research, one of our investigators decided to

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try the black light. Okay,
the first of all discovered the florescence phenomena

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in nineteen ninety two. Discovered it
while looking at one of our abductees and

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we found a Mandelbrot set type marking
on the inside of her left arm.

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She freaked out, literally started rand
to the bathroom, started scrubbing like a

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rape victim, and try to get
off. It just got brighter. You

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can't get the stuff off. It's
subdermal on contact. If it's from the

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alien entity, whoever, whatever they
are. The fluorescence is different than phosphorescence.

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Phosphorescence is a totally different situation.
We do find some phosphorescent materials in

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some adduction scenarios. But for the
most part, in the rare cases that

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we do find this stuff, it
is generally fluorescence which will which has a

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certain animeter length of various different kinds
of fluorescences do, and that gives us

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an idea of what wavelength it is, so that we can actually make some

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kind of determination about the material and
whether it may be in fact alien or

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something else. And what was it
that made you first look at the fluorescence

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or give you the idea. Well, the DSP satellite especially asked me the

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same question years ago in nineteen ninety
five, and I said, because the

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alien sees an infrared, violet,
and visible light in my opinion, And

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he says, we'll give you an
example. I said, well, you

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know these people who you know,
try to turn on their cameras and film

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their rebductions all day. He said, y'all notice that they can't do it.

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Cameras turned off in the morning,
or nobody showed up. It's like

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somebody already can see what's already lit
up in the room. They know what's

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going on. And I says,
it doesn't mean they can't be filmed,

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doesn't mean they can't even be captured. You're not going to do it that

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way, because you're playing into their
hand, and it's like a blind person

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saying, Oh, all I've got
to do is just to keep moving around

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here. And these people are seeing
in the room. They won't notice if

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I try to hide or something,
it's just not going to happen. You're

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playing a game that you can't win. So you have to understand the nature

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of what they see, how they
see, and what they do, and

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you have to allow for that.
Once you do, you may be real

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surprised that the results you're going to
get. And I think we're going to

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be able to prove that. I
think some of the evidence already does.

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The Florescent marketings themselves shows a trace
upon these people left by the alien entity.

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It's like some kind of a sweat, for lack of a better term,

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an alien fingerprint, so to speak, left on people that penetrates their

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skin subdermly on contact. If you
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we don't even want to know about
it. This stuff will come off.

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It'll literally be absorbed in the skin
by the body in about twenty four

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hours, and in most cases we
have had rare cases where it lasted up

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to two weeks, but again that
is extremely rare. So in some of

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the cases you get a sweat where
it seems like an entity had come in

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contact with the subject in that areas
for us, and although sometimes you also

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find symbols, the casual contact fluores
since it gets on these people is often

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like long finger marks where they've touched
you, or just like sweat maybe on

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your hand where they held you or
you held them. That sort of thing

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will show up. The markings themselves
that involve geometric patterns, such as a

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things such as maybe like a little
pyramid like or triangle shape, or some

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other moon shape or some form like
that in the strange little markings, and

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these are very deliberately placed on there's
no question about it. Either it was

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done by a machine or something else. It's very deliberate about what it is,

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and it seems to be in most
cases the same coloration and the same

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nnimeter length as the other. What
do you find more? Do you find

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more of the sweat type marks or
more of the symbols? What is a

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percentage? Well, that's since we
usually cannot get to an abductee within the

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first twenty four hours, could they
usually tell you this stuff. About a

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month or two later, then you
realize, you know, we've already lost

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this that aspect of it. It's
kind of hard to answer that question because

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there's not enough stats to really verify
that. But the fact is that the

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generally speaking, the touch type things, the casual contact, seems to be

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more prevalent. The more startling,
of course, is the symbols, because

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those are very deliberate. I mean, if you see a mandol brought set

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on the inside of your urn in
fluorescence in brilliant blue, this raises a

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degree of a worm about who's where
have you been and who's been living your

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life and doing things to you you
don't even have a clue about, right,

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So I don't think it was sleep
paralysis. Sleep proalysis doesn't have to

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do with any type of fluorescence.
But with the symbols, do you find

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mandelbrats are more complicated shapes like that, or do you find more simplistic type

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shapes. Most of the symbols we're
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simplistic. For instance, ay,
there may be a crescent moon, or

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it may be triangular forms and so
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they are fairly rare. We found
one semi complicated form. In my opinion,

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I was semi complicated on a doctor
in Phoenix that was back in nineteen

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ninety four. And her case was
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not only did she find the marking, did I find the marking on her

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shoulder. But the fact is,
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day, she noted to me within
about four days later that she had been

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missing for three days, and she
said, I have flora. I got

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one of those black lights, and
she said, mister Simms, I have

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florescence from my neck, on my
breast, on my stomach, on my

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thighs, on my shins, tops
of my feet. I have fluorescence on

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my pubic hair. I have florescence
in my vagina. And she says,

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I have the slightest idea how any
of it got here? How did she

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find that out? She found that
out simply by following my instructions the night

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before when I examined her, and
she took off. She I say took

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off. Many some abductees simply take
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they'll say I went out. I
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So I went driving around three o'clock
in the morning and I saw a

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three foot wounded owl walking down the
street. Well, there aren't any three

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foot owls wandering around the streets with
large black guys. There just aren't any.

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So what they're seeing is a screensaver
memory where this situation is happening.

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And this lady just took off for
three days, left her husband, left

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everybody, and just took off and
disappeared for three days. Comes back to

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Floresce's from head to toe. She
did something rather remarkable. She literally took

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the Florisian sample if I asked her
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I was shocked that she would do
such a nice thing. Were you

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able to examine that. We've had
several attempts to have flores since examined,

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usually because the samples are quite small. Quite you can imagine scraping just a

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few cell levels down on somebody's skin
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And first of all, most of
the time that's usually contaminated because they

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you're going to use like a kitchen
knife or something like that, rather than

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something's clinically clean and you know,
clinically available that's just normally not going to

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happen. So as a result these
samples Phyllis. Buttinger has been of a

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great help to us. Others have
to eve. Lorgan's helped us with some

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of it, but by and large, there is nothing conclusive at this point.

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It has been an anecdotal and interesting, but it's it's nothing conclusive,

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nothing scientific that I have to report. We are very interested in the flores

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since I have a top optics professor
who contacted me one time from a major

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universe and he was so delighted over
the fluorescence. He said, I'll if

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you want to publish this, he
said, I'll help you get it published

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in the scientific journal. And I
said, well, DOCA said, you

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know, without being crude here,
I said, I'm not going to get

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published in the scientific journal. That's
just not going to happen, not a

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refereed scientific journal. He said,
yes, you will, he said,

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if I have to help you write
it, I will, and you will

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be published. And this guy's an
eminent professor, I mean, he's known

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worldwide. And I said, so. We talked for a while longer,

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and he said some other things that
were rather stunning to me. I mean

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I was not prepared for his comments
because generally scientists and others don't walk in

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and look at the UFO field and
say anything really complimentary. And he said,

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he asked the question and were kind
of a philosophical question. He says,

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what do you think of yourself?
And I said, well, that's

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what you mean? He said,
well, he said, you did these

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surgeries. He said, I am
stunned. He said, I am amazed

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and stunned. He said, and
it took enormous courage for you to do

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that. And I said, how
could I not do it? If that's

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what I do, it is the
only logical and right thing to do.

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So I did. And I said, but we did surgeries long before the

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public ones. I said, people
just don't know that. You know,

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I haven't told people that. But
he said, well, anyway, I

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want to know what you think of
yourself. And I said, well,

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I said, I think of myself
more. I guess it's like a pioneer.

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He said, what is a pioneer
to you? I said, A

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pioneer someone who will go where others
cannot go or won't go, or don't

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know how to go. And he
sends back maps. He said, what

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kind of maps would those be.
I said, well, sir, I

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said, they would be maps that
scared men in academia. Could you without

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losing their careers? He giggled,
and I said, I would like to

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ask you a question, if you
don't mind. He said, okay.

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I said, what do you think
of me? He said, well,

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you're not a pioneer. I said, how's that. He said, well,

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there are four levels of civilization.
Pioneer is the second level. He

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said, you're an explorer. That's
the first level. He said, I

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don't mind telling you there aren't any
explorers in the UFO field. You're the

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first one. And I said,
well, he said, no, you're

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the first one, and that's old
there is to it. He said,

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now I'm in a position I think
I can say that. So I'm I'm

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just my tongue's hanging out of my
mouth. I didn't know what to say.

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It's well, you're very kind and
everything, and so that was in

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that conversation. So his interest,
his interest in a call, for the

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most part, was involved with the
forests. He felt that that discovery,

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in his opinion, as one of
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field and spoke to d Richard Hogland
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Roswell every year and host events there
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them. In fact, our work
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Richard Hoagland and I had a long
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of Mike Kaiser of Optics of Ancient
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Pat Gray, my conference designer,
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the fluorescence issue and he he had
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might be. To him. It
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finally I questioned him, I said, well, what do you think this

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there for you to find, and
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you basically, you feel like I'm
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and he said, he said,
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I think you need to do something
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think it's an energy signature. I
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It's a chemical signature, and it's
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I think you're wrong, And I
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evidence, and I do, so
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let you know. But right now, I said, I'm going to go

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with the chemical compound and we're going
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shows up. Differently, I said, and I hope you're right, but

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I have no evidence to support that. The doctor was going to help you

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write the paper for the scientific journal. Did you move on and actually write

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that paper or haven't? I told
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sir, I said, you don't
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but we don't have enough information to
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finds, we have no scientific validation. Yet we have anecdotal evidists. And

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he said, I understand that.
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this is just incredible. I mean, people are talking about abductions in

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terms of being some psychological philomena or
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Here you are coming up with physical
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these people describe, and in a
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said that you kept very quiet about. He said, you know that there's

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some kind of a pattern to this
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I said, well, it seems
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different type of things going on with
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that. And I don't feel at
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eight years to write my first book
and I'm almost finished, so it's not

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like I'm in a big hurry.
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you first came across before us?
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ninety two in a case working with
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Her husband had just been incarcerated in
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his crimes were, white collar crimes, but she was an abductee and I

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spoke with her and worked with her
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with her at first, and then
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her experiences were profound, to say
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a tough time with her experiences.
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an example of how tough her experiences
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my senior investigator, Dale Musser,
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migraines from talking about this experience and
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well, I said, down next
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anesthesia therapist. She's what does that
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horrible little headaches you've been having about
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so I can make them go away. She just looked at me and teared

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up, and she says, you
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I can do all kinds of things. There is nothing they've done to

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you. They can't be undone.
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all of a sudden, she started
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ever heard in my life. It
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had when I was seven, and
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this is the same guy. It's
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the literature. And then she she
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well, you might not have looked
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you're one of the prettiest women I've
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I've ever seen this pretty. And
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anybody in this room doesn't believe that. She says, no, I'm ugly.

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face in such way you like with
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electronic hit you, it can contort
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as she got this migraine, her
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thing I've ever seen in my life. I mean, here's this beautiful woman

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turning this. I mean it looked
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sitting there freaking out anything like whatever
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wide and everything. And I said, and she starts crying and everything,

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and her head starts killing her.
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make it go away, and she
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I said okay, and then so
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her how to remove these migraines herself. Well, needless to say, she

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was elated, and we never saw
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Maybe therapist didn't come back because she's
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reason is the fact that the lady
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care of this myself now I'm in
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repeated abduction issue is that something that
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Also, well, we've had people
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make their abduction stop, and that
there is no real guarantee to anybody that

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you can make it stop. Just
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hints there. My senior investigator in
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aliens seemed to like him. I
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friendly and very he's not violent in
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for all his life. And they
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handle him very well, so to
speak. And one day he said,

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why don't you ever abduct Dyyl anymore? And it's interesting he couldn't pronounce my

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name rot, but they could.
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And that's all I'd say. It
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some years, and they knew who
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was talking about. These guys are
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all are different, the grades are
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the Nordics are wonderful and these other
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same team. We've seen all of
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time. And the mass subductions in
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two, eight people abducted at the
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separate nights in December nineteen ninety two, and they all saw the same guys

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all lined up. This is pretty
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separate groups out there doing their own
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With those particular seven entities that showed
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the fluorescence, and I definitely want
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there. I have some more questions
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wrap up the fluorescents stuff, what
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document the fluorescence or perhaps to immediately
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can get an actual analysis of what's
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are your plans that way and researching
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we're doing a serious procedures. One
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the Denver Moufon group here your group, was to pass out two documents which

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we have provided that allow it gives
procedures for collecting evidence and for storing that

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evidence so that it can be analyzed. So the more cases we can get.

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Is I spoke to Ethan about this
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helping in this area here in Colorado. Rich rich Is Investigations, the investor

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investigat chief of your investigations here and
a remarkably good man, and I've directed

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him a number of times on this
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The issue is that florescence is not
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in any kind of hospital setting.
First of all, this type of evidence

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is minuscule for the most part.
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a in a reasonably forensic type setting
where it's not going to be contaminated,

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and most of the time that's not
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these people who are well meaning and
but don't know how to collect that evidence.

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And often by the time you know
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two cases of fluorescence this week,
and in fact, with the two ladies

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I visited down in her husband down
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CNN interview for two days, both
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since on them after I left.
So we're real curious to find out what

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that's about. But our interest is
to develop a system whereby and I'm attempting

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to get another university on board with
us through this forensic v PhD. And

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if he comes on board and helps
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the right direction where we can be. But we did have a PhD trying

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to help us at the York University
in Canada. The problem is his standards

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were so strict you practically would have
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them in front of him and allow
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might not be enough. I mean
it just standards was just so strict that

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it just made no sense. He
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was under these austere perfect conditions.
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in most cases. I guess just
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other thing that I thought was really
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you had mentioned. She spoke at
our last symposium for moufon talking about the

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invisibility properties of UFOs some other people
jose Eskami, I'm not sure if you're

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familiar with him. He does their
rods work. He's lately been trying to

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he's gotten lots of footage where that's
what he's doing. He's using infrared to

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get UFO footage and supposedly he's found
a lot of it. He's got a

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lot of great footage. He's just
trying to find financing to get these into

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movie format. And then another real
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year's at Moufon symposium, David Serta, where he looks at NASA video where

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NASA has been doing filming in the
infrared, and seeing just almost like soup,

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just hundreds and thousands of things out
there that NASA has gotten. I

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guess my last question would be,
as far as the symbols that you see,

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the only other symbols really that are
very popular that might be related to

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UFOs would be crop circles. Do
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to crop circles in any way?
We've not seen any symbols of that nature

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on the abductees. There are a
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One is because the which is an
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on a lot of good evidence,
and based on some of my colleagues who

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have done some excellent work in the
crop circle business. And I've said this

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long before it ever became public under
Colin Andrews, my friend who privately and

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now publicly admits that at least eighty
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and Doug stupidity we're talking about circles that

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look remarkably good. And I've said
this long before they did their study where

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he was paid to do this study
and did an excellent work on it,

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that in fact, it was my
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with microwaves and had been going on
for some time. Of Course, people

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ask, well, why in the
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because they know which ones are correct
and real. Then they do a bunch

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of new ones. Now they know
which one are and you don't have a

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clue. Well, unfortunately a lot
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They're all real, right, and
they take all these pictures, make these

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big conferences and say, look at
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whoa, and you know at least
eighty percent of them are just as big

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frauds you've ever seen. It doesn't
make any difference. These people. They

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promote this stuff like it came out
of burning bush or something, and it

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didn't. That's really interesting because I
thought you were going to go somewhere else

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with that. Ron Russell another great
local researcher. He's on he's in the

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same area where he's thinking most of
these things. In fact, he thinks

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the most spectacular are actually human made, although he thinks that to me by

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artists who do it all truistically.
And he finds some interesting properties there.

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Simeon Hines's partner finds out also,
but that's a very interesting theory to the

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microwave theory. I hadn't heard that
before. It would account for the way

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the nodules being popped and everything else. Just like these other people say,

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well, only a microwave could do
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I'm just telling you all you have
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and aim your microwave there, and
you can cook it. I'll give you

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an example of that. My friend, and you probably know him. Uh

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he's the he's uh called the uh
biggest news guy in uphology in Mexico is

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Jiman Massan. And he says,
hey, d O, why don't you

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come down to Mexicota hunt the super
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I guess if I came down to
hunt the supergabras, I said, uh,

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ohhimid be there his camera, wouldn't
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be a good team. You know, this would be a good thing for

407
00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.160
us. And I said, well, I said, first of all,

408
00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:56.759
you haven't proved to me the chup
of cobbras what they are yet. There's

409
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.720
something down there killing animals. But
we hadn't proven mean what it is.

410
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:06.920
I said, but let's take the
viewpoint that it's real and it's a animal

411
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.599
that's run sucking the blood out.
It's a goat sucker, like like the

412
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:15.000
name means. Let's suppose that's true. He said, can you track you?

413
00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:17.440
Can you catch you? And I
said, well, I can give

414
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:22.680
him a radio isotope, lace it
in his food supply, and then I

415
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:25.680
can track you. I said,
I'm a hundred that's what I do.

416
00:32:28.359 --> 00:32:30.599
The second thing, I said,
if I can see him, I said,

417
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:34.000
I've got a guy that's volunteer to
give me a six foot microwave dish.

418
00:32:34.240 --> 00:32:37.000
If I can see him, I
can cook him. So I think

419
00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.480
I can get him. But you
got to show to me, first of

420
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:43.839
all where he's at and he's real. When you do that, I said,

421
00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:46.640
I'll bring some equipment down. We'll
go Honting. I'm trying really hard

422
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:52.880
not to because I love your mussan
your impression there. Oh, Jim,

423
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:58.160
he's a great guy. I just
we've been friends for years. They're just

424
00:32:59.359 --> 00:33:06.119
they're just good. He's doing some
just amazing work down there. Next,

425
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.119
I wanted to ask you about they
came while you're sleeping. I wanted to

426
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:14.559
talk to you about that's kind of
your slogan. You have that on your

427
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:17.279
website, lots of your talks and
what you mean by that, And I

428
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:22.799
think that's well, it's a metaphorical
statement that first of all, that most

429
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:25.400
people or a lot of people simply
don't understand, don't even know what's going

430
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:30.559
on. They're literally asleep to the
phenomena. I think when they wake up,

431
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.200
they're going to be shocked a mace. And those who are when I

432
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.519
talk to them, they're sitting there
just wide eyed, like a calf looking

433
00:33:37.559 --> 00:33:39.039
at a new gate. I mean, they just like stunned, what is

434
00:33:39.079 --> 00:33:45.319
that thing there. The second thing
is that it has another meaning to the

435
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:52.640
abductee. They came while you slept, and it has another meaning to other

436
00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:59.319
people in the UFO field. The
fact is they're still coming while we're while

437
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:04.200
we're sleeping. My issue is that
we need to be awake in every sense

438
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.159
of that word. And if we
do that, I think that we have

439
00:34:07.199 --> 00:34:12.719
a good chance of catching at least
one of them. The public in general

440
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.840
being asleep with the whole issue.
So I think they're asleep at the wheel.

441
00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:21.519
This is a bus that everybody's a
passenger on, nobody knows where it's

442
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:25.480
going. So I told doctor Leo
Spinkle Sprinkles group when I spoke in the

443
00:34:25.559 --> 00:34:30.639
University of Wyoming several years ago,
this is a great group of people.

444
00:34:31.599 --> 00:34:37.599
And I said, you know,
this is this is really a kind of

445
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:42.920
a it's kind of a tough thing
for me. I said, because you

446
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:46.239
know, you guys have a different
view about this thing. And he had

447
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:50.239
just spoken and he was a really
they just love him, you know,

448
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:53.119
he speaks up there all the time. And I just simply told these people,

449
00:34:53.159 --> 00:34:55.679
I said, I'm kind of a
nuts and bold sky. I flew

450
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:59.000
up here on an airplane, was
sitting over the wing, looked out and

451
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:01.360
I checked every little nut both on
that wing. I kind of like to

452
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:05.719
know that they're all in there.
That might not matter some of you folks,

453
00:35:05.719 --> 00:35:07.920
but it sure does to me.
And they all kind of laughed.

454
00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:13.639
Then afterward, I did my presentation
and Leo Sprinkle walked up to me.

455
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:16.280
He's a real tall guy, about
six four sixty five real tall, still

456
00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:22.199
plays basketball there, amazing guy,
and he gives me the biggest He stands

457
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:24.400
there with the paper in his hand. I wonder what in the world he's

458
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:29.079
in his hand. And he looked
at me, and he's got this paper

459
00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:31.639
in his hand, opens his arms
and he said, Darryl, I'm so

460
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:36.719
sorry. I said, well about
what he said. I didn't know.

461
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:42.519
He gives me the biggest hug and
hands me this paper. He said,

462
00:35:42.599 --> 00:35:45.239
I really didn't know you. So
I had this friend of mine who was

463
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:50.880
pretty good at looking at a photograph
and tell you all about somebody. He

464
00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:53.760
said. She wrote this whole thing
about you. He says factually quite flattering,

465
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:58.599
he said, but I think she's
right on target. I just wanted

466
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:01.000
to give it to you, and
so he did. We had several remarkable

467
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:06.679
things happened that conference that were just
pretty interesting. But Leo and I have

468
00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:10.039
differing views about the alien phenomena.
To him, it's kind of like school,

469
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:13.400
you know, first day at school
or that sort of thing, and

470
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:15.800
that's what we're in. And I
assured him that after looking at showing,

471
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.840
I said, that's Leo. I
can show you, you know, I

472
00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:23.199
can show you dead bodies and people
rip apart and all kinds of things that

473
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.440
don't suggest that's first day at school. If that's true, you're going to

474
00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.320
the Alien Columbine School or something,
because that's not exactly the school I went

475
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:34.639
to. And I said, in
my events, I said, you know,

476
00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:38.719
I remember what happened, and I'm
telling you it's not what you think

477
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:43.039
it is. There's something else going
on. And I said, I don't

478
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.880
say that they're not positive events.
I'm not saying that. I'm just saying

479
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:50.039
that you may be missing. I
said, you're saying that this is basically

480
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:52.840
we're in a learning curve here and
we just don't get it. I said

481
00:36:52.840 --> 00:36:58.960
doctor Mackfield same West spoke to him
in Istanbul about that, and we disagreed

482
00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:02.360
about about that, and I gave
them both my viewpoints, and both of

483
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:06.280
them just sat there and they didn't
have answers for some of the questions I

484
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:10.079
gave. I said, the simple
point is that the answer they're here to

485
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:13.920
save the planet, fixed Theozone hole
and a few of these other things just

486
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:17.840
isn't consistent with what they do.
It's consistent with the philosophy that people want

487
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:22.480
them to be like that. I
think we all would like that. But

488
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:27.239
the reality is, when somebody surgically
removes your eyes, they're not here to

489
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:30.679
save your planet. They're here to
get your eyes. You better be wondering

490
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.760
about why they need that, Why
are they doing that, and why doesn't

491
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:37.639
it make any difference that they would
repair somebody, they would leave them in

492
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:43.639
that condition in a jungle, And
I mean, that just is unconstable.

493
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.559
If a human being did that,
you'd have been prosecuted and put in jail

494
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:51.760
for fifty years. Alien does it
and it's like it's all okay, all

495
00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:53.519
you have to do is shave your
head, be bald headed and have large

496
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:58.880
black eyes and everything's moral. There's
something wrong with that kind of thinking in

497
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:02.880
my view. Leo Sprinkle I love
to death also, and I think that

498
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:10.000
really getting into the field of abduction, You and Leo are a great place

499
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:15.119
to start because you have differing opinions, but you have great points. Him

500
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:20.840
being more on a philosophical maybe spiritual
and you, like you said, being

501
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:23.760
a nuts and Bold skuy And that's
a good segue to what I was going

502
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:28.480
to get to next, being a
nuts and Bolds guy. It seems as

503
00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:31.960
though you know and everything I've seen
with hypnotherapists, not many touch on a

504
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:37.639
big point of yours, which is
the memory versus hallucinations. And it seems

505
00:38:37.679 --> 00:38:43.679
like a lot of hypnotherapists possibly could
use a little uptraining on identifying those differences.

506
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:45.880
And I was wondering if you could
explain those differences and how you Well.

507
00:38:45.920 --> 00:38:50.679
I was on art Bell years ago
and I came on Martin Bell program.

508
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:52.840
It had been third or fourth time
I was on there, and I

509
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:57.320
told Artis said, well, I
want to address the hypnosis part tonight.

510
00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.639
And I said, and it's going
to sound like I'm against him gnosis when

511
00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.039
I do this. And I said, You've got to understand. I'm a

512
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:07.760
master hypnotherapist. That means I train
and certify people in hypnotherapy. I'm a

513
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:14.199
hypnotic anesthesia therapist that means I take
people to surgery and work the hypnotic anesthesia

514
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:21.840
with them. And I said,
I've many I've a certified medical hypnotherapists.

515
00:39:21.840 --> 00:39:25.599
I've got all kinds of certifications in
this field for many years. I said,

516
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:30.679
So I feel somewhat qualified to be
able to talk about this to some

517
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:34.519
degree. And the fact is I
said, a lot of you people out

518
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:39.480
there in the psychological field don't have
a clue that you don't know the difference

519
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:45.480
between memory and recall. You just
don't, I said. That's why,

520
00:39:45.519 --> 00:39:50.079
I said, it's amazing to me
some of you psychologists are psychiatrists pick on

521
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:53.599
these little hypnotists as if they're doing
evil when they're taking the basic, same

522
00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:59.239
little course you took. What makes
you think you're so hot because you've got

523
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:01.920
a PhD and they don't. I
said, you're missing the whole point.

524
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:07.639
And the way I can best accentuate
that is that you people with the PhDs

525
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:13.639
are getting sued in the multi million
dollar suits for not knowing the difference between

526
00:40:13.679 --> 00:40:17.239
memory and recall. Somebody comes along
and you work with them, and you

527
00:40:17.360 --> 00:40:22.199
figure out that they've had sexual abuse
by their family, and then you go

528
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:25.360
take all this to court, take
their family to court, get their kids

529
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:30.039
to believe this stuff. Only to
find out their family, who supposedly sexually

530
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:34.880
abuse these people when they were children, maybe not worry even in the country

531
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:37.119
when it happened, they were in
France or something. You end up with

532
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:43.199
egg on your face, getting sued
for multimillions of dollars for destroying families believing

533
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:46.760
in this stuff because you don't know
the difference between how memory is actually encoded

534
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.400
and how it's decoded. If you
knew that, you know how the alien

535
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:53.840
does what he does. That's what
it's about. How would you define the

536
00:40:53.880 --> 00:41:00.840
difference and how do you weed out
the difference memory? To put this in

537
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:07.480
a context that I think most people
can kind of appreciate it in a practical

538
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:12.760
way is And I did this with
CNN the other night when they were at

539
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.760
my home for two days, and
they said, well, could you have

540
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:20.159
been leading these people when you were
doing hypnosis with them here in this session?

541
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:22.840
And I said, well, first
of all, I said, I

542
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:24.800
did a number of things. One
thing I did was ask them about the

543
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:30.159
weather, And I'll ask you the
same question. You give me an answer

544
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:34.440
if you can, what was the
weather like from May thirteenth, nineteen seventy

545
00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:39.719
six. You don't have a clue, nobody does. But an abductee can

546
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:44.320
tell you exactly what happened on the
night he was abducted. They know exactly.

547
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:47.880
Well, you can take that information
back through the Weather Service and check

548
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:51.400
it and see if they're accurate or
not. In most cases they are,

549
00:41:52.400 --> 00:41:57.400
they're very accurate. And when you
realize that, then you realize that you're

550
00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:00.679
at least hitting on memory. From
that point of view. The second thing

551
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:06.199
is if a person's in hallucination,
for like in the stage hypnosis, anything

552
00:42:06.239 --> 00:42:08.039
you suggest to them, in most
cases they'll accept it and they'll do it.

553
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:10.880
You're going to act like Elvis Presley, and they will. They're gonna

554
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:15.480
make fool of themselves. That's what
they signed up for. That they want

555
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:20.360
to do. It's fun. That's
called hallucination. But when you get a

556
00:42:20.400 --> 00:42:24.400
person on the other sense of the
word, you get a person two in

557
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:29.039
memory, and I did in front
of CNN, and I kept telling the

558
00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:31.920
abductee. I said, they said, I'm in this room, and I

559
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:37.159
said, okay, how many corners
are in the room. Well, anybody

560
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:39.960
knows anything about abductions knows those rooms
are not They're around, they're not square

561
00:42:39.960 --> 00:42:44.840
at all. And I've already given
the suggestion the room is square. If

562
00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:46.320
they're hallucinating, they're going to tell
me two, three, or four,

563
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:51.760
five corners whatever. They're going to
tell me the corners in that room.

564
00:42:51.800 --> 00:42:54.639
And you will consistently get answers from
reductees. They'll sit there stunned. They'll

565
00:42:54.719 --> 00:42:59.679
usually move their head looking around because
they're in the room at the time,

566
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:02.199
and they're flat telling you that there
is none and I'll tell them, yes,

567
00:43:02.239 --> 00:43:05.960
there are. You get in there
and count those rooms, and they'll

568
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:08.679
get mad and then we'll get in
a big argument. Under hypnosis, these

569
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:13.480
people are in memory. That's why
they're angry. You ask them, what

570
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:16.360
does alien's feet look like? And
I haven't met that one person that actually

571
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:21.880
knew the answered that question, which
is curious, and most of them will

572
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:23.239
tell you I can't see their feet, and that's why it's that just because

573
00:43:23.239 --> 00:43:28.000
I'm lying on the table. Well, for hallucinating, you can see the

574
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:30.519
feet or anything else you want to
you just can make and just sit there

575
00:43:30.519 --> 00:43:35.000
and imagine it. But they don't
do that. So that's These are just

576
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:37.920
just a couple of indicators. Let
you know that these people may in fact

577
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:43.199
not be lying at all or hallucinating. And I'll give you another even better

578
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:46.440
example, and this is going to
kind of cut into some hypnotists in the

579
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:54.039
UFO field. An individual academy,
he's an engineers. In fact, he's

580
00:43:54.079 --> 00:44:00.320
a member of organization. He's a
nice guy, been a friend for years.

581
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:04.039
He said, Well, darl he
said, you know what I think

582
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:06.360
you need to do is put these
people behind a curtain, you know,

583
00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.679
mentally, so they can kind of
look at their reductions not be afraid of

584
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:14.320
it. I said, that sounds
great. You know where'd you dream that

585
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:16.360
up? They said, Well,
that's why a lot of these hitting with

586
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:22.559
the stew he said, I've read
about them. I said, you feel

587
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:28.760
like that's appropriate. Well, of
course it is. You're you're you're softening

588
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:30.199
the blow, you're making this,
you're doing that, and you're doing so

589
00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:35.079
on. I said, So if
I take the abductee out of the event

590
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.920
and put him over behind a curtain
and let him look at it and kind

591
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:42.480
of dissociate him, then he'll be
a lot better. He said yeah.

592
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:45.159
I said, okay. I said, that's a good idea. John.

593
00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:49.159
Let's talk about that for a minute. I said, let me ask you

594
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:52.039
a question. I said, we're
in this restaurant here, Why don't you

595
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:55.159
I said, don't you look out
the window here and imagine yourself standing out

596
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:58.519
there in park lot? And you
do that? He said, Jessica can

597
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:01.280
I said, pretty es do?
I said, now, I'd like for

598
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:05.599
you to imagine yourself and your body
out there looking back at us. Can

599
00:45:05.639 --> 00:45:07.159
you do that? And he sug
yes. I said, John, that's

600
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:14.480
called hallucination. You're not outside,
you never were. How is it you

601
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:16.559
think you can see us inside here
from out there when you're sitting here?

602
00:45:19.159 --> 00:45:23.159
You see you've allowed yourself to hallucinate
already in our discussion, and you even

603
00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:28.440
believe it, and you haven't been
hypnotized at all. Yeah, I've been

604
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.079
familiar with that technique and i've you
know, like everyone else. Oh,

605
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:34.639
what a great technique I've changed.
It is a good technique. If the

606
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:38.039
technique is used to destroy memory,
that's what it's used for. As a

607
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:43.280
therapist. A therapist will use that
technique to destroy, not enhance memory,

608
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:47.079
but destroy it. When I read
somebody of a phobia in twelve minutes of

609
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:51.639
a snake phobia, as I showed
you tonight in this presentation, this lady

610
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:55.039
had snake Phobia's an abductee. The
psychologist said it'd take two years of work

611
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:58.599
with this woman to get rid of
it. It was that severe. Well,

612
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:00.760
I'll show you a picture. We're
whole a ball python in twelve minutes.

613
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:07.320
How is that? I use that
technique to destroy her memory of that

614
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:15.239
serpent. Now, if people are
using techniques like the dissociation is a technique

615
00:46:15.320 --> 00:46:22.000
used to not only it's not only
desensitizes memory, it actually can't affect it

616
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.400
and even destroy it. Now that
woman has no fear of a snake at

617
00:46:24.440 --> 00:46:28.320
all, except a healthy fear to
stay away from them. But it's normal.

618
00:46:29.440 --> 00:46:32.159
But her fear before it was so
severe that if she actually saw a

619
00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:36.719
worm she thought might have been a
snake crawled under her door steal left her

620
00:46:36.800 --> 00:46:39.880
kid out in the car for quite
a while until I got drove across Houston

621
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:43.039
to get the kid out of the
car because she wouldn't come back out of

622
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.639
the house to even save her kid. Now that's talking, we're talking severe.

623
00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:52.480
I use some pretty powerful techniques to
destroy her fear and memory of that

624
00:46:52.679 --> 00:46:55.960
of those snakes. In that way, that technique is used to destroy or

625
00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:04.119
to aberate, at least aberate memory. Why would you be using a technique

626
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:10.480
like that and call it enhancement,
which makes perfect sense? Which great about

627
00:47:10.519 --> 00:47:15.320
knowledge is making you rethink the things
you thought. Well, these techniques are

628
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:20.039
good, They're very good. There
are many techniques used to help people.

629
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:23.079
They're called the sociate of techniques.
They're wonderful techniques. We use them for

630
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:29.039
therapy when I work for psychologists or
psychiatrists who they allows me to work with

631
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:35.639
their patient. But one in particular, two psychiatrists from Tri County. It's

632
00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:44.079
a mental health mental retardation outfit,
Williams in Williamson in Montgomery County, Texas.

633
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:49.320
They sent a guy to me to
work that had had severe problems with

634
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.480
anxiety for fourteen years, been on
medication fourteen years, and it's just it

635
00:47:54.639 --> 00:47:59.679
just broke his life. And he
came in. First of all, he's

636
00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:00.840
crying and he said, you know, please help me, Please help me.

637
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:02.760
And I said, I can't do
that because you know, I'm not

638
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.079
I'm not a licensed psychologist, psychiatrist
saint that I'm just hyping the therapist,

639
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:09.639
blah blah blah, And I can't
do that, and I wouldn't because I

640
00:48:09.880 --> 00:48:15.920
will not go around your prescribed program
that you're under the medical care of these

641
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:21.000
people. So that's I'm not able
to do that. And that's the only

642
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:22.280
way I could do that. You'd
have to bring me back a letter saying

643
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:27.000
that they agree for me to do
this. And of course I knew they'd

644
00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:29.719
never give a letter because it's it's
a slap in face, says you can't

645
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:32.559
take care of your patients. To
my shock and amaze me, he came

646
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:37.920
back the next day with a letter
from both both the therapists saying you're welcome

647
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.960
to work with him. Please use
your hypnosis and ope or other techniques to

648
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:47.159
help him out. So I said, well, come on in. What

649
00:48:47.239 --> 00:48:50.719
was I going to say? So
I said, I have a seat,

650
00:48:50.719 --> 00:48:57.239
and he said, okay. I
also know that he's an abductee and he's

651
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:00.599
hurting. That's part of his anxiety. I know that I know the guy.

652
00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:06.000
I'm known him for years and so
long story short is, I said,

653
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:08.480
I'm going to show you something.
A technique that I've learned. Cost

654
00:49:08.559 --> 00:49:14.960
me five thousand dollars to learn it. It's so new you're psychologists and psychiatrists

655
00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:16.159
are not going to have a clue
because they're not going to pay five thousand

656
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:20.239
dollars to go learn new technology.
They're not going to do it. Ten

657
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.280
years, it'll filter down and they'll
get it and then they'll probably rename it

658
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.920
and claim it was theirs. That's
the fact is, we've been using it

659
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:30.519
for years. I said, I
tried to keep myself up on some of

660
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:32.400
the latest things out. I said, what I'm going to do with you

661
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:38.320
today is called timeline therapy, I
said, in which we have it's well,

662
00:49:38.320 --> 00:49:42.400
how many sessions you think this will
take? That's what you mean?

663
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:45.280
He said, well, does this
take a year or twur I said no,

664
00:49:45.320 --> 00:49:50.920
you don't understand. You have one
hour then, but then we'll come

665
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:53.039
in fourteen years. I don't care
about their failures, and my work has

666
00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:58.599
never been based on how well other
people fail. I could care less,

667
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.519
I said, I want you to
sit down and follow my instructions. If

668
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:07.559
you're stupid, it's going to take
an hour. If you're smart, we'll

669
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:12.679
be done in twenty minutes. If
you just want to practice, we'll be

670
00:50:12.719 --> 00:50:17.760
done in thirty. Are you ready, yes, sir, have a seat.

671
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:23.679
In fifteen minutes, we were done. He broke down and cried.

672
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:28.840
He said, I can't believe I
can get rid of my own anxiety all

673
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:36.159
by myself. He cried like a
baby. The point is that these techniques

674
00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:40.320
are powerful, but the altra memory
sometimes destroy it, sometimes just alter it.

675
00:50:40.360 --> 00:50:45.960
I don't want somebody retrieving memory for
me using techniques that alter my memory.

676
00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:49.639
Because I'm not in my body at
the time. I'm not there.

677
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:52.400
I'm not in the event. I'm
watching the event. If you're watching the

678
00:50:52.400 --> 00:50:57.199
event, you're not in the event. Are you by definition nature that you

679
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:02.440
are in fact associated? So you
have a lot of clients thousands, I

680
00:51:02.480 --> 00:51:09.840
believe you referred a thousand abductees worldwide
that we've worked with and have records on

681
00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:15.159
and so on various different things,
and also have I work with people.

682
00:51:15.280 --> 00:51:20.519
I've worked in a hypnotherapy clinic for
about THU guess close to five years,

683
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:24.519
so I've worked with just about everybody
for everything from amputees, screaming on morphine

684
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:29.440
to you name it. I mean, every kind of problem you can even

685
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:34.599
probably imagine came through that office that
I've worked with. So I have a

686
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:38.960
good, a good working knowledge about
working with these people on various levels.

687
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:46.639
With your experience with abductees, what's
your overall feeling of the nature of the

688
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:53.239
abduction phenomena? I know that's hard
to well. I think was maybe a

689
00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:57.199
more simplistic way, but I think
it would be a kind of a clear

690
00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:02.800
way to explain the abduction phenomena is
think of yourself a contact first of all,

691
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:07.000
the abduction phenomenon. The abduction means
just exactly what it says. You're

692
00:52:07.039 --> 00:52:09.840
taken without your will. That's abduction, that is kidnapping. It's what it

693
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:14.880
is. That's all there is to
it. Now. In the abduction experience,

694
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:19.400
you generally will come out with one
of two views. The first view

695
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:22.000
is that I was taken against my
will. I didn't like it, it

696
00:52:22.079 --> 00:52:25.480
was wrong and mora old whatever.
These people are often referred to as abductees.

697
00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:30.199
You have another group of people which
feel like they were taken, probably

698
00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:35.519
against their will, but it doesn't
matter. It's probably for my best good.

699
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:40.239
They know better than me, and
they kind of abrogate their freedom,

700
00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:45.000
their free choice to somebody who abducts
them, and they say things like,

701
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:47.960
well, they probably know better than
us, and they're just helping us.

702
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:51.920
They're here to save the planet,
fixios on hole or help me do some

703
00:52:52.360 --> 00:52:55.800
great thing. I'm just in grade
one of their program, and that's okay.

704
00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:00.400
People can believe anything you want to. It's not a problem when I

705
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:05.119
look at that situation. I look
at it, and I can give you

706
00:53:05.159 --> 00:53:09.400
a glaring example of this. To
Charlie Hickson Calvin Parker case, these two

707
00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:13.079
and I know this case, and
I've interviewed both of them. I know

708
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:17.880
it very well. These two were
off duty, they say the original stories

709
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:21.039
they were off duty cops. They
weren't off due, they were on duty.

710
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:23.239
They were out there making a drug
bus, that's what it was,

711
00:53:24.079 --> 00:53:30.480
UFO Lands. They end up getting
taken. One of them, Calvin Parker,

712
00:53:30.519 --> 00:53:32.800
comes off that craft with a cut
across his stomach. His blood is

713
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:37.079
his jeans are soaked down to the
knees with blood. He comes off the

714
00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:45.079
craft. An abductee. Charlie Hickson
comes off the craft with his glowing looking

715
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:52.159
little face saying, you know,
basically, you know whoa. Here are

716
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:57.760
two people, two cops, in
the same event, and they come off

717
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:02.599
two different people in the event.
That's pretty amazing to me. You can

718
00:54:02.679 --> 00:54:08.239
characterize this this way. Think of
it as two lab rats, one little

719
00:54:08.280 --> 00:54:16.280
lab rat like Charlie Hickson, you
know. The genetic engineer says, okay,

720
00:54:16.480 --> 00:54:20.679
roll over, and the little lab
rat rolls over. Stand up.

721
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:23.920
The little labrat, stand up.
That's so cute. Me takes the needle,

722
00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:28.360
goes and sticks him anyway and says, that's okay. You won't remember,

723
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:30.719
although you do feel the pain and
impact as you do. Remember,

724
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:35.079
I don't care what they say,
and so you get the same shot anyway.

725
00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:37.840
Then all of a sudden, you
put this little guy down. Oh

726
00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:39.519
that's good, we're gonna get him
again. And you go back to a

727
00:54:39.559 --> 00:54:43.360
little labratt over and you reach over
this lab rat and then bite you.

728
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:46.280
That one's the darre old lab rat. He'll bite the fire out of you.

729
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:51.519
He will not cooperate. And you
pick him up by the tail and

730
00:54:51.559 --> 00:54:53.719
you sling him around and he keeps
trying to bite it and he won't cooperate,

731
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:57.840
and you say you will remember,
and you give him a shot anyway.

732
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.480
Hey like that little guy, and
then throw him across the But step

733
00:55:00.519 --> 00:55:05.719
fact is it does make any difference
what viewpoints you take. You're still a

734
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:08.639
labrath. It really doesn't make any
difference what you want to think about it.

735
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:13.559
It's more comfortable to think that it
was, you know, a higher

736
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:17.760
view and higher calling that it was. But I seriously doubt that you being

737
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:22.079
on the slab, me being on
another slab makes any real difference in your

738
00:55:22.119 --> 00:55:29.039
reference area. Your example, you
kind of hit on some ideas of morality

739
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:31.159
at least that that, Oh,
don't worry you're not going to remember this

740
00:55:31.199 --> 00:55:35.599
anyway, which I always thought was
weird, even with Betty Hill, where

741
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.719
she's like, yeah, I'm going
to remember this. No you're not.

742
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:39.880
Yes I am. No, you're
not. Yes, I amn't sure enough

743
00:55:39.920 --> 00:55:45.480
she remembered. But it indicates some
sort of morality. Do you see any

744
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:51.880
sort of imral? The alien lies, they prevaricate, they lie, they

745
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:57.480
used subterfuge. There is absolutely no
question about Literature's wife with it. Excuse

746
00:55:57.559 --> 00:56:01.400
me. It does make any difference
what anybody says. It's crystal clear.

747
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:06.960
I've seen them give eight different stories
to eight different abductees on the same craft,

748
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:10.559
same time. About the eight different
screen memories of what really happened,

749
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:14.760
Well, I used to be a
police officer. If there are eight people

750
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:19.199
in the middle of a crime and
I asked you all the same question,

751
00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:22.679
where were you or what were you
doing? And you're all in the same

752
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:24.840
room, and you give me eight
different stories, at least seven of you

753
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:30.519
are going to jail. That's call
lying to a police officer. It didn't

754
00:56:30.559 --> 00:56:35.360
happen eight different The guide murdered eight
different ways. It happened one way,

755
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:38.039
and seven of you are lying,
and maybe eight but you're going to get

756
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:42.760
all of them, are going downtown, every one of them until you find

757
00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:45.079
out exactly what's going on. Well, the alien does, it's all time,

758
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:49.280
and people do seem to just almost
ignore it. Well, they said

759
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:52.000
they were from planet band Lawn.
Is that a deodorant or something? I

760
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:55.679
mean, that doesn't make any sense. I'm data reticulate. Well that's where

761
00:56:55.679 --> 00:56:58.599
you are this week. Where are
you are next week? Well, we're

762
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:00.480
on the other side of the moon. Okay, we're from Mars. Now

763
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:04.559
we're from men or Earth. Now
we're from another dimension. Well, why

764
00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:07.119
don't you make up your mind?
Why don't you give us an address?

765
00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:12.199
Now these people come out and say, oh, I'm channeling these aliens.

766
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:16.559
They're giving me this great information.
Hey, anybody out there channeling aliens,

767
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:20.480
you got the big secrets? You
got you know what, the big one.

768
00:57:20.719 --> 00:57:23.239
I would be more than happy for
you to answer my famous ten questions.

769
00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:29.400
Let me give you a hint.
Don't try it. So I'm telling

770
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:31.159
you what if you're really plugged into
the alien. First of all, the

771
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:35.639
real alien won't give you the answers
anyway. And if you do get ten

772
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:37.000
answers, and they're going to be
wrong if I can tell you, because

773
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:40.559
you're not going to know the answers
to them. I know that coming from

774
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:45.679
your own subconscious and you're just accessing
your own brain coming up with your own

775
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:49.000
answers. And you're not gonna have
right answers because you don't know the next

776
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:52.679
three elements. They're going to show
up on a periodic chart. You don't

777
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:58.400
know what the alien does, but
you don't know that, so you got

778
00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:00.920
to come up with the goods if
you claim this, so you see the

779
00:58:00.960 --> 00:58:08.840
whole thing as malicious. I see
the whole thing as subterfuge. I see

780
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:13.880
this business as for what it is. I used to be in the intelligence

781
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:16.639
business. Whenever I went into the
Central Intelligence Stacy for two years during the

782
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:22.679
covert in covert opice during the Vietnam
War, I was stunned to see the

783
00:58:22.679 --> 00:58:28.719
training I got was identical to what
was going on with the alien. Now,

784
00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:34.599
in the intelligence business, we lied
for two reasons. One is because

785
00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:37.679
it would expose what we were doing. So you can't tell the truth about

786
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:40.599
that. What are you all doing
today, Oh we're gonna do just do

787
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:44.000
the takeover, nick Rogwa or something. You used to go out and tell

788
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:47.480
everybody that you can't do it.
The nature of your business a dictate.

789
00:58:47.519 --> 00:58:50.840
You can't same thing with the alien. They're not going to tell you what

790
00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:52.599
the truth is, what they're up
to. Why do you think they haven't

791
00:58:52.639 --> 00:58:57.599
done that in thirty fifty one hundred
one thousand years because they're not going to

792
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:01.039
tell you. Well, that makes
an intelligence sin and what we need to

793
00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:07.039
do at that points counterintelligence. Second
reason we lied in the Central Intelligence Agency

794
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:09.679
and they're doing any intelligence agency.
I don't care if it's a MOSAD,

795
00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:15.880
I don't care what it is KGB, it doesn't matter. The answer is

796
00:59:15.960 --> 00:59:22.159
that when we lied simply because we
couldn't tell you because it would compromise what

797
00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:28.639
we were doing. And second,
we lied simply because you cannot give out

798
00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:32.360
this kind of information and allow it
to be you either use against you.

799
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:37.119
And when we would also give it
also false information or misinformation or disinformation.

800
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:42.159
This is part of the nature.
When when I found the alien was doing

801
00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:45.920
the same thing, well duh does
it take a genius to figure out that

802
00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:51.840
this is an intelligence operation that's going
on? I mean, aliens from another

803
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:53.360
planet are here to save our planet, but they won't tell us anything.

804
00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:57.519
They'll they'll pull your eyeballs out of
your head, and do this, and

805
00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:00.639
do that, kill a couple of
kids, occasionally a bunch of cattle,

806
01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:02.760
won't tell you a thing, and
they're going to save your planet. Why

807
01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:07.199
do I not believe that they tortured
and mutilated and did horrible things to the

808
01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:14.199
Amazonian based Indians for over ten years. One of US's most well documented cases.

809
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:16.280
Jaques Vallet says, Bob Pratt's book
and his work is the finest field

810
01:00:16.280 --> 01:00:20.480
work he's ever seen. That's the
way field work is supposed to be done.

811
01:00:21.000 --> 01:00:24.360
Unbelievable, horrific stories done are for
years against the Amazonian tribal Indians.

812
01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:30.880
They're helping the universe by torturing Indians. That sounds like something on in the

813
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:34.840
United States a long time ago.
Why do I not believe that story?

814
01:00:35.519 --> 01:00:38.679
And you have a case where a
couple of children were actually died, They

815
01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:43.119
actually died of results of their reductions, right in Dellas, Texas. So

816
01:00:43.360 --> 01:00:47.199
to me, this sort of thing
doesn't It doesn't lend itself to a morality,

817
01:00:47.320 --> 01:00:51.880
we understand, but it does it
lends itself to something to me at

818
01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:55.280
this amoral at best. And I
suspect that the people that are entities that

819
01:00:55.280 --> 01:00:58.639
are doing this, the Grays and
the other guys and so on. The

820
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:02.400
Nordics, who did You've got one
Nordic that treated Dale Musterr so good and

821
01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:06.440
so kind in the mass subduction.
It was just moving to listen to the

822
01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:10.320
story. It really was. That
same Nordic overheard another one of my abductees

823
01:01:12.000 --> 01:01:16.199
laughing about the implant he hid for
twenty two years that they couldn't find,

824
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:21.800
and the Nordic looked over and hurt
him thinking. A few days later,

825
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:27.239
Nordick showed up and tortured that man
until he thought he gave him the information

826
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:30.079
on where that implant was. I
was involved in that case the day had

827
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:34.760
happened. I know what I'm talking
about. Same Nordic didn't make a bit

828
01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:37.280
of difference. They don't care whether
they torture you or make you love.

829
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:39.320
It doesn't make a bit of difference. They're there to do their job.

830
01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:44.679
They don't care whether it means cutting
your eyeballs out or cutting the utter off

831
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:46.280
of a cow, live or dead. It doesn't make a bit of difference

832
01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:51.599
them because they have no morals.
They just do what they do. The

833
01:01:51.760 --> 01:01:53.920
real issue if there's a moral issue. You have a moral issue with alien

834
01:01:54.039 --> 01:01:57.880
You're going to have to deal with
mid level management because that's where the orders

835
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:02.760
are coming from. These guys are
just doing their Wow. I was trying

836
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:07.119
to lead you to that very thing, the mid level management, and I

837
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:10.400
thought I had failed, but luckily
had the last you went there, and

838
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:15.000
I guess just that theory of you
know, and you heard a lot of

839
01:02:15.079 --> 01:02:22.320
the the worker bees and then the
mid the higher ups who actually are directing

840
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:25.199
thing. Higher ups usually don't come
and get involved. If I don't know,

841
01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:30.519
if every seat shows this where unless
something goes very wrong, they don't

842
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:36.039
get involved. It's usually well.
In my upcoming book, it covers a

843
01:02:36.119 --> 01:02:39.119
chapter I'm finishing up right now.
It's called Hierarchy, and it takes a

844
01:02:39.199 --> 01:02:44.800
vastly different view than the UFO field
does about the aliens. Basically, there

845
01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:47.599
is a thing I call the usual
suspects, which I have a lineup of

846
01:02:47.719 --> 01:02:52.440
these entities very different. Introduce a
small grade, the large, larger grade

847
01:02:52.400 --> 01:02:57.719
nord aches and the Mansa's being and
all these other things, and that's the

848
01:02:57.800 --> 01:03:00.679
lineup. And most people in the
UFO you'll feel like that those are in

849
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:05.519
fact the major players and they're calling
the shots and doing all that. Well,

850
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:07.800
they're not. They're they're on the
lowest rung of the food chain.

851
01:03:08.320 --> 01:03:13.519
And even inside their group, it
go It din't a grade, so I

852
01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:15.679
mean, it just goes down the
toilet, so to speak. Little grazers

853
01:03:15.800 --> 01:03:20.480
there, you have to think of
them as a two eighty six computer with

854
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:23.480
legs, because they just don't have
clue. If you do things in your

855
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:29.000
induction, they're outside the purview of
what they're trained or or that data input

856
01:03:29.280 --> 01:03:32.800
is for in their brain. If
they have one, what you're what you're

857
01:03:32.800 --> 01:03:36.079
going to find is that they can't
deal with it. They don't know what

858
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:38.039
to do, and it really confuses
them. They'll they'll they'll break up the

859
01:03:38.079 --> 01:03:40.840
abduction. You want to break up
an abduction. You want to stop an

860
01:03:40.840 --> 01:03:45.840
abduction. Do things that are not
consistent with that with his abilities, and

861
01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:49.559
they freak out, they don't know
what to do. They'll go back and

862
01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:52.400
usually they'll come back with help.
The next time they show up. Their

863
01:03:52.800 --> 01:03:57.639
little gray doctor boss will show up
with him and he knows what to do.

864
01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:02.880
He's pretty sharp. He'll and if
he can't fix your problem, if

865
01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:08.400
there is a problem, then they'll
send what they call is a mid His

866
01:04:08.599 --> 01:04:11.639
job is to make sure that your
pro hit, whatever the problem is in

867
01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:15.760
the business, is solved, and
they're very effective about what they do.

868
01:04:15.719 --> 01:04:18.960
If they send two MIBs, you're
in trouble. So a mid men in

869
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:23.559
black is that what you're getting in? It's something in black for sure.

870
01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:29.119
If they dress in nineteen fifty seven
fifties clothes American style, even if they're

871
01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:33.599
seen in Slovakia, it doesn't matter. It's stunned the Slovakians when they solve

872
01:04:33.639 --> 01:04:41.639
them. Why do they dress in
these old like detective type clothes with a

873
01:04:41.679 --> 01:04:45.639
strange little hat and everything like it's
on American TV in the fifties. It's

874
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:47.679
just because what they do. I
said, they have a real clothing problem.

875
01:04:47.760 --> 01:04:50.920
They just haven't been able to update
their clothing in quite a while.

876
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:55.679
You have to excuse them for that. But why don't they dress Slovakian if

877
01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:58.639
they're trying to, you know,
do this stuff to us. It's just

878
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:00.760
a good point. But I just
I don't think they care. But I

879
01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:02.920
don't think they think you can do
a thing about it anyway, And it

880
01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:05.760
doesn't make it difference when you get
it or hear it or remember it or

881
01:05:05.840 --> 01:05:10.519
not. MIV does not give a
hoot one way or the other, whether

882
01:05:10.559 --> 01:05:14.159
you remember or not. Now the
alien does, But the MIV doesn't care

883
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:16.719
anything. He's just going to straighten
out your He's going to clean your clock,

884
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:24.119
straighten out your problems. I've heard
of I read about experiences where someone

885
01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:29.400
has witnessed a couple of MIBs around
an old, you know style sixties you

886
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:33.119
know, star skinning hutch kind of
car grade out or whatever, and then

887
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:38.159
the car disappears. They turn around
and it's gone. Have you had any

888
01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:44.159
experiences or had anybody come to you
with situations. We had one case in

889
01:05:44.199 --> 01:05:48.960
Houston, Texas where a lady,
very credible lady, was approached by a

890
01:05:49.000 --> 01:06:00.400
female alien with a blonde hair bouffont
style and it's alien, what pure white

891
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:02.960
faced alien type on if you imagine
alien with a fake wig on, because

892
01:06:02.960 --> 01:06:08.800
that's exactly what it was, driving
a Ford, a little Ford escort,

893
01:06:10.920 --> 01:06:14.760
and it would follow this woman every
day to work for six weeks at five

894
01:06:14.840 --> 01:06:16.039
days a week. And then she
just said, I never saw it,

895
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:19.840
never saw it on weekends, said
it always showed up right next to me

896
01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:23.280
or behind me. Or right in
front of me. She said that was

897
01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:25.400
the weirdest thing I ever saw.
It said, I'd leave to go to

898
01:06:25.400 --> 01:06:27.519
work, and I'd come back,
get on the freeway, come back home,

899
01:06:27.559 --> 01:06:30.239
and there'd be again. Went on
for six weeks. I stayed this

900
01:06:30.280 --> 01:06:34.199
case very carefully. My senior investigator
said this, He said, Darryl,

901
01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:40.920
and he's an abductee. He said, she's making it up, she's hallucinating,

902
01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:43.280
she doesn't know what she's talking about. He said, I don't believe

903
01:06:43.280 --> 01:06:45.960
a word of this thing. And
I said, Dale, she's telling the

904
01:06:45.960 --> 01:06:48.400
truth and that's all there is to
it. He said, well, I

905
01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:55.559
think you're wrong. I said,
okay. So anyway, this lady,

906
01:06:56.519 --> 01:06:59.760
in her last one of her experiences, I actually had to read the license

907
01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:02.039
plate off to me and I ran
the plates on it, and the plates

908
01:07:02.039 --> 01:07:08.159
were stolen out of Dallas, and
the car actually disappeared one time. What

909
01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:12.559
was interesting is that her parents came
down, who do not know anything about

910
01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:16.119
her abductions for thirty years. They're
helping her fix her house because she's going

911
01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:18.519
to sell it for long and her
daddy was going to help her put up

912
01:07:18.519 --> 01:07:23.880
a couple of boards and nice little
things for old fellow to do. And

913
01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:30.039
the long and the short of that
was simply that this lady, the alien

914
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:35.079
creature or whatever it is with the
buffont hair style, shows up and starts

915
01:07:35.119 --> 01:07:42.960
moving toward the driving toward her.
They're at the home depot out in the

916
01:07:42.960 --> 01:07:46.760
middle. They're loading up their little
amount of wood and so on, and

917
01:07:46.840 --> 01:07:54.159
this strange looking woman in this Redford
escort comes driving by slow motion, real

918
01:07:54.239 --> 01:07:58.360
slow and just looks at them.
And she said, I was so mortified,

919
01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:00.639
because I mean, how how are
you gonna explain that to your parents?

920
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:04.800
And she said her mother looked at
her and said, oh, my

921
01:08:04.920 --> 01:08:09.480
god, did you see that woman. She's the whitest skin I've ever seen

922
01:08:09.519 --> 01:08:15.039
on human beings, skinny and frail, like she's gonna die. She said,

923
01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:16.399
I didn't know. I said,
I've told him I didn't see anything,

924
01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:19.039
and I just had to like it. I didn't want to talk about

925
01:08:19.039 --> 01:08:23.880
it. She said, my parents
saw it. Well. Interestingly enough,

926
01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:28.279
Dale, who did not believe a
word of this, His wife a few

927
01:08:28.319 --> 01:08:30.680
nights later asked him to go get
some milk at the store. So he

928
01:08:30.720 --> 01:08:32.600
goes, gets milk and bread,
walks out of the store and sees his

929
01:08:32.680 --> 01:08:36.159
black fellow and hanging halfway out of
his car. He thinks, well,

930
01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:39.920
as that is the guy dead,
is he hurt? Is he injured?

931
01:08:39.920 --> 01:08:44.119
He's he had heart attack? What's
going on? Dale kind of walks toward

932
01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:45.000
the guy, and all of a
sudden, the guy wakes up and goes

933
01:08:45.439 --> 01:08:49.039
look at and he realizes something's wrong, jumps the car and you know,

934
01:08:49.119 --> 01:08:53.239
shuts the door. He gets these
cars starts to race off and just he

935
01:08:53.279 --> 01:09:02.359
starts to back up and everything.
The notices somebody in the back seat with

936
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:10.640
a yellow buffont hair, pure white
face, and he's, oh my god.

937
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:15.920
The reason he's really freaked out about
this is because this is the this

938
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:19.800
is the this is the same car. He recognizes it from being there the

939
01:09:20.000 --> 01:09:24.079
night and in the interview. Well, he jumps in his pickup, takes

940
01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:26.439
off after it, and they getting
a big road race right down the street.

941
01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:30.680
And uh, finally, the car
races right through a red light that's

942
01:09:30.680 --> 01:09:33.920
already started to change, and so
cars are starting to come and Dale slams

943
01:09:33.920 --> 01:09:39.680
on his brakes and just slides almost
into the intersection, missing cars, and

944
01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:43.000
the car goes on through. It
gets through, and also this little head

945
01:09:43.039 --> 01:09:45.880
sticks up in the back seat where
the black guy's driving the car with that

946
01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:49.920
little bouffont hair and just looks back
at Dale. He said, my god,

947
01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:51.640
he said, a woman's telling the
truth all along. I said,

948
01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:56.840
I told you I know when they're
hallucinating and when they're not. Dale he

949
01:09:56.880 --> 01:10:00.000
said, Darling, I'm so sorry, said I should have believed it.

950
01:10:00.039 --> 01:10:02.560
I said, it didn't matter if
you believe me or not. My work's

951
01:10:02.600 --> 01:10:06.720
not based upon anybody's belief I don't
care about beliefs, care about what actually

952
01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:12.680
is. Would you describe this lady
and these other end might be as a

953
01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:16.960
mid level management? No, what
would What are the characteristics that you would

954
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:25.720
say of mid levels? I've never
really discussed that with anybody. The reason

955
01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:29.479
is because some of it will be
discussed in the in the book. But

956
01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:32.680
the fact is that mid level management
is the one that makes decisions. They

957
01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:36.920
they I'll give you an example in
the mass subduction December eighth, nineteen ninety

958
01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:41.520
two. The double mass subduction on
December eighth and December eleventh, eleventh set

959
01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:45.359
eight people taking at the same time, same place, same event, or

960
01:10:45.399 --> 01:10:49.920
an astounding set of events occurred.
They were taken to a from regular little

961
01:10:49.920 --> 01:10:55.079
craft. They were taken out to
a huge craft reportedly fifty miles sticking six

962
01:10:55.199 --> 01:10:59.119
hundred miles across, which I did
not believe the stat story myself, that

963
01:10:59.239 --> 01:11:02.399
part of it, until Dale showed
me a film of it filmed by a

964
01:11:02.439 --> 01:11:09.039
Japanese astronomer of that apparently that possibly
that craft, because at the same time

965
01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:12.920
that the abduction events were going on, they got the film and brought it

966
01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:15.039
over to me and showed me,
and I just was stunned listening to him

967
01:11:15.199 --> 01:11:24.079
and looking at the film. H
I had given a post it not a

968
01:11:24.079 --> 01:11:29.960
suggestion to the woman, the woman
that actually was involved in this car incident

969
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:32.399
I just mentioned. And what I
was trying to do is get the alien

970
01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:35.640
to respond to us, see if
I could trap them in a response.

971
01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:39.800
And because I found a piece of
information and an abductee that I felt was

972
01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:44.000
harmful to them, if they were
acting like an intelligence group, I think

973
01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:48.399
we struck paid We struck pay dirt
because the fact they did respond, they

974
01:11:48.439 --> 01:11:53.479
responded to post it notice suggestion I
gave her with that information, and I

975
01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:57.439
installed it not as her memory but
as someone else's. But how would you

976
01:11:57.520 --> 01:12:00.439
get the information if it's not your
memory? And they know that you don't

977
01:12:00.439 --> 01:12:02.800
know the information because they and he
wasn't supposed to know it either, But

978
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:05.640
how did you get it when you
weren't there? So I knew they were

979
01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:10.960
going to be real befuddled about this
old thing. If it came off right,

980
01:12:11.479 --> 01:12:13.880
Well, she gets up and burns
out the information. They end up

981
01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:15.880
abducting eight of her people, include
my senior investigator, because if you want

982
01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:18.119
to know what I'm doing, you
would pick him up obviously, if you're

983
01:12:18.119 --> 01:12:21.319
not going to get me well on
the problem is Dale didn't have clue because

984
01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:25.119
I never told him. He's an
Abducteeve. Why would I be telling him

985
01:12:25.159 --> 01:12:28.560
things I was doing against the alien? I mean, that's like ringing the

986
01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:31.000
dinner bell for them, you know. So I didn't tell him. And

987
01:12:32.520 --> 01:12:35.600
there were two beings that showed up
on that craft, and all the little

988
01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:39.640
aliens that night were very afraid,
all of them, all the entities,

989
01:12:39.920 --> 01:12:44.399
Nordics, all of them were terrified. Somebody big was on board the craft

990
01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:48.960
and there weren't going to be any
mistakes this time, whatever that means.

991
01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:55.560
And Dale and this woman both were
called in by what I referred to as

992
01:12:55.560 --> 01:13:00.319
mid level management and guy sitting in
his chair her room and in his room,

993
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:05.039
and all these entities are lined up
on one side and Dale and this

994
01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:08.800
guy asks a question. When he
asks a question, he doesn't ask it

995
01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:15.279
twice. They don't understand anything other
than blind obedience and fear. And whenever

996
01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:18.439
Dale Dale, they were asked,
he asked the question. He said,

997
01:13:18.439 --> 01:13:25.560
why is why is he doing this? Speaking of me? Dale looked around,

998
01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:29.159
What what are you talking about?
I mean, this guy he got

999
01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:35.199
ballistic when he asked a question.
You, I mean, you're you can

1000
01:13:35.279 --> 01:13:40.079
imagine somebody being in an ultimate power, so to speak over over slaves.

1001
01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:42.920
And that's about the way it was. It was looked, it looked like

1002
01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:47.119
and he demanded to know the answer. And finally, after the second question,

1003
01:13:47.199 --> 01:13:50.000
Dale didn't know the answers to it, and this guy went ballistic again.

1004
01:13:51.359 --> 01:13:55.479
All of a sudden, the Nordic
walks over realizes he needs to diffuse

1005
01:13:55.520 --> 01:14:00.399
the situation. He goes over and
grabs Dale's face with his hands side side

1006
01:14:00.439 --> 01:14:03.880
on his face, puts his forehead
next to Dale's forehead, looks into Dale's

1007
01:14:03.880 --> 01:14:06.479
eyes and looks back at the guy
sitting in a big chair and says he

1008
01:14:06.520 --> 01:14:14.039
doesn't know. Then the guy got
calm because he realized Dale didn't know at

1009
01:14:14.039 --> 01:14:18.039
that point, but he wasn't going
to accept Dale's answer for that. In

1010
01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:21.640
the other room, they were asking
this lady the same questions another guy was

1011
01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:28.000
and the last two questions asked were
rather interesting. Each one asked two separate

1012
01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:31.079
questions. They produced a holographic image
of her brain and asked Dale to point

1013
01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:38.159
at the human soul, and Dale
said, well, no one's ever been

1014
01:14:38.199 --> 01:14:41.720
able to find the soul specifically,
and that the guy went ballistic again.

1015
01:14:42.600 --> 01:14:45.000
The screen datings pointed to where the
human soul is. He didn't know.

1016
01:14:46.640 --> 01:14:50.319
He doesn't have a clue. In
the other room, they were asking her

1017
01:14:50.359 --> 01:14:55.880
the same question, but it wasn't
a computer generated brain in a hologram form.

1018
01:14:55.960 --> 01:14:59.520
It was on a screen in her
case, and she said they wanted

1019
01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:01.720
to know where he the spirit was. I told him I had no idea,

1020
01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:08.960
and they didn't like that answer at
all. So, like I said,

1021
01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:12.319
middle level management doesn't know all,
see, all do all, so

1022
01:15:12.399 --> 01:15:14.840
to speak, but they do give
they call the shots, and whenever they

1023
01:15:14.920 --> 01:15:17.119
do, you can see if he
gets that upset over little things like that.

1024
01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:20.479
And these little guys are all afraid
of this guy. You can just

1025
01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:28.880
imagine what kind of orders they're given, and it brings it brings up all

1026
01:15:28.960 --> 01:15:32.880
kinds of imagery that is not positive. And I spoke to a group of

1027
01:15:32.920 --> 01:15:41.079
scientists in Tampa, Florida, and
these people are well to do. One

1028
01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:45.079
guy staying there at his home was
worth I know, personally, fifty two

1029
01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:47.359
million dollars. I know that he's
worth a lot more than that, but

1030
01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:50.479
that's what I did know that he
was worth. Most of the people in

1031
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:57.359
that room are worth fortune. And
I was working with a lady in the

1032
01:15:57.960 --> 01:16:00.439
the room, some therapist, and
she said she has some issue she wanted

1033
01:16:00.479 --> 01:16:02.840
me to work on, and so
I did. When I finished, walked

1034
01:16:02.840 --> 01:16:05.439
out and she walked out, and
they said, could you speak to us

1035
01:16:05.439 --> 01:16:10.479
please? And I said, I
don't really think you people would want me

1036
01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:14.560
to give you my viewpoint. I
said, you're pretty much of a pretty

1037
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:17.119
much of a new age view that
you know, you kind of feel like

1038
01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:21.760
these entities are kind of misunderstood and
we don't get it and this is like

1039
01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:25.119
first day of school and you know, and all this sort of thing.

1040
01:16:25.159 --> 01:16:28.439
And I said, I really can't
contribute to that kind of thinking, so

1041
01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:30.199
I'd just be better. You know, you just felt the way you felt

1042
01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:33.439
and thought the way you thought.
And I'll just sit here and you know,

1043
01:16:34.199 --> 01:16:36.399
drink my doctor pepper and need a
cookie or something. You know.

1044
01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:42.319
They said, no, we really
want to know what you think. Now

1045
01:16:42.479 --> 01:16:45.279
you really don't. He said,
yes, we do. He said,

1046
01:16:45.279 --> 01:16:47.920
you're not going to offend anybody here, real smart bunch of people, nice

1047
01:16:47.960 --> 01:16:54.439
people. And I said, I
gave them several metaphors that they were just

1048
01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:58.279
I mean, they were just what
you could hurt a pin drop in that

1049
01:16:58.359 --> 01:17:05.079
room on the car. And the
last thing I told them. They said,

1050
01:17:05.319 --> 01:17:10.960
we'd like to know what happened to
you in your last event. And

1051
01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:14.439
I said, I've never told anybody
that. He said, would you tell

1052
01:17:14.560 --> 01:17:16.920
us? And I said, no, I won't. I said, I

1053
01:17:16.960 --> 01:17:21.399
will give you a metaphor, because
metaphors are full of meaning and they can

1054
01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:27.000
give you a lot more information than
even facts. Which would you do that,

1055
01:17:27.079 --> 01:17:30.159
I said, I'd be glad to. I said, imagine, if

1056
01:17:30.159 --> 01:17:38.319
you will, a beautiful set of
green hills, beautiful beautiful range, enter's

1057
01:17:38.399 --> 01:17:42.960
cows all over the range. I
mean, it's just it's cow's paradise,

1058
01:17:44.279 --> 01:17:49.000
more grass than you can eat.
I mean, it's just incredible and out

1059
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:59.079
among the cows as Cow two thirteen
and Caw two thirteen just got there,

1060
01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:02.680
and he doesn't have clue. And
all of a sudden, one day,

1061
01:18:02.720 --> 01:18:08.319
while they're out there talking and doing
their little cow things, here comes this

1062
01:18:08.399 --> 01:18:15.119
little short guy with large bug eyes
with his little milk bucket, walking toward

1063
01:18:15.159 --> 01:18:19.239
a cow. And Cow Too thirteen
looks still the cow and says, who's

1064
01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:24.600
that? And he said, well, that's the milkman. H huh,

1065
01:18:25.720 --> 01:18:35.720
ones he do he milks cows.
H where's he work at the milk factory?

1066
01:18:38.279 --> 01:18:47.479
Uh? Okay, cow gets milked, He little man goes away.

1067
01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:54.199
This happens from time to time.
One day it's Cow Too thirteen's turn.

1068
01:18:55.319 --> 01:19:00.159
Here comes the milkman. He's got
his little bucket. He starts walking towards

1069
01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:03.319
Kow two thirteen. Kow two thirteen
says, hey, hey, hey,

1070
01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:09.960
what do you think you're doing.
I'm the milkman. You have to let

1071
01:19:09.960 --> 01:19:15.119
me milk you. I don't think
so, oh you have to. You're

1072
01:19:15.119 --> 01:19:20.239
a cow. I'm the milkman.
Uh huh, it ain't gonna happen,

1073
01:19:20.239 --> 01:19:25.319
buddy. And so a little milkman's
all confused and upset. He goes back

1074
01:19:25.359 --> 01:19:30.359
to milk factory. When he gets
the milk factory, he tells the committee

1075
01:19:30.359 --> 01:19:38.680
that he wasn't able to milk cow
to thirteen. And I said, well,

1076
01:19:38.680 --> 01:19:43.880
go tell him you love him.
It works on all the other cows.

1077
01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:48.560
So here comes the milkman. Cow
two thirteen says, hey, what

1078
01:19:48.600 --> 01:19:55.520
do you think you're doing? I
love you. You are wonderful, you

1079
01:19:55.520 --> 01:20:01.680
are special and chosen. You are
one of us. Uh huh. Beat

1080
01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:08.079
it didn't work. Little man goes
back to the milk factor says, hey,

1081
01:20:08.319 --> 01:20:13.039
cow two thirteen won't cooperate. They
said, then scare him. It

1082
01:20:13.079 --> 01:20:17.520
works on the rest of them.
You get the milk. He goes back,

1083
01:20:17.560 --> 01:20:25.960
and a cow two thirteen kicks little
milk man back down the hill.

1084
01:20:27.039 --> 01:20:30.359
Little milkman goes back all scuffed up, dirt all over Himan, his little

1085
01:20:30.359 --> 01:20:38.079
milk bucket full of dirt, and
look what he did to me. And

1086
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:45.880
they said, well, that's that's
a mess. I said, So it

1087
01:20:45.920 --> 01:20:50.960
got worse, and the engineer looked
at me and who was leading the group,

1088
01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:56.159
and said, what happened? I
said, they sent the butcher.

1089
01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:05.840
I think you can imagine the rest
this, So don't tell me about aliens

1090
01:21:06.399 --> 01:21:12.680
here to save my planet. I
said, you weren't there, and you

1091
01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:15.159
don't know. You're sitting here surmizing
a bunch of stuff that you don't have

1092
01:21:15.279 --> 01:21:24.319
clue about, not even close,
it feels. I guess the whole subject

1093
01:21:24.359 --> 01:21:29.119
is strange because that story it really
makes me smile most of the time,

1094
01:21:29.159 --> 01:21:32.399
and then I feel kind of self
conscious about it because it's a traumatic thing.

1095
01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:36.840
But of course, you know,
you're able to get across your point

1096
01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:40.840
in this metaphor. I think in
a you know, very entertaining way.

1097
01:21:42.640 --> 01:21:45.760
Like I called it earlier. I
think you're here, your Texan charms,

1098
01:21:45.960 --> 01:21:49.479
you know, shine through. But
like you said, you know, that

1099
01:21:49.520 --> 01:21:54.479
metaphor says a lot. And to
find out more about mid level management,

1100
01:21:54.520 --> 01:21:57.960
you have to wait for the upcoming
book, huh. I guess so yep,

1101
01:21:58.359 --> 01:22:00.479
Well, well, of course you
maybe we can in a range of

1102
01:22:00.520 --> 01:22:03.520
meeting and maybe you can have your
own Butcher, well, that is okay.

1103
01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:09.720
A lot of people don't don't know. They don't recognize what is up

1104
01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:14.119
in the next level. It is
not a higher level of what's down beneath.

1105
01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:18.079
The guys down beneath are bad enough
inasmuch as they like I said,

1106
01:22:18.079 --> 01:22:21.239
the Nordic will torture you one minute, or treat you so good that you'll

1107
01:22:21.279 --> 01:22:25.680
just nearly cry. It really doesn't
matter. It's what is effective, it's

1108
01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:29.039
what works on you. It's called
intelligence. We did that all the time.

1109
01:22:29.239 --> 01:22:33.800
If you're a true, honest to
goodness field. They're actually called kasaws

1110
01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:36.880
earn any real. A CIA agent
is not a person who works in the

1111
01:22:36.880 --> 01:22:40.800
CIA. It's a person who works
for the CIA. In other words,

1112
01:22:40.800 --> 01:22:43.319
you've been hired by them. You're
not part of them, but you work

1113
01:22:43.399 --> 01:22:47.199
for them. That would make you
a CIA agent. A CIA agent is

1114
01:22:47.239 --> 01:22:51.000
not one of the spies, so
to speak. He's called a case officer.

1115
01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:54.279
I don't know. White people don't
understand this. They think you know

1116
01:22:54.279 --> 01:22:57.399
all about c They don't have a
clue. A case officer is the guy

1117
01:22:57.399 --> 01:23:00.560
who would hire you to become a
CIA h You now become an agent of

1118
01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:03.399
the CIA. You're not in the
CIA, but you're an agent of it.

1119
01:23:04.600 --> 01:23:11.560
So this sort of thing is it
gives you a little sense of how

1120
01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:15.680
the intelligence community works. And the
fact is that the way the way it

1121
01:23:15.720 --> 01:23:24.279
works for you to be a case
officer to gather intelligence in another And they

1122
01:23:24.319 --> 01:23:27.119
asked me if I would be interested
in come and stay in the in the

1123
01:23:27.159 --> 01:23:30.319
company, and I told them I
would not. I said, I can't

1124
01:23:30.439 --> 01:23:38.600
do that to other people. Basically, what being a field case officer is

1125
01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:42.880
is getting in most cases, if
you're going to do seven stuff, it's

1126
01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:47.359
basically getting people to betray their country. And I can give you all kinds

1127
01:23:47.359 --> 01:23:51.479
of illustrations of how that works and
how it does work. My point is

1128
01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:55.600
that's the purpose. I don't think
there's a whole lot of difference to Dailien.

1129
01:23:57.319 --> 01:24:00.439
I've had people literally tell me that
they knew certain things about alien.

1130
01:24:00.479 --> 01:24:06.199
They were horrified what they found out
accidentally, and they would not They begged

1131
01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:11.760
me not to even force them to
tell them because they felt they'd be betraying

1132
01:24:11.800 --> 01:24:15.439
the alien. I said, but
they're not us, I know, but

1133
01:24:16.520 --> 01:24:21.239
I feel I have to protect them
to I said, but if a human

1134
01:24:21.319 --> 01:24:24.840
race is at risk, if they
were, I'm not saying they are,

1135
01:24:24.920 --> 01:24:28.920
but if they were, and it
doesn't matter to you. No, it

1136
01:24:29.039 --> 01:24:32.359
sounded like somebody's brainwashed a little bit
here. Hey, we're your species,

1137
01:24:32.399 --> 01:24:36.399
you know, get your head screwed
on. If there's information out there we

1138
01:24:36.439 --> 01:24:39.319
need to know, we kind of
need to know that. You know,

1139
01:24:39.359 --> 01:24:42.159
you don't need to be hiding that
from the rest of us. And that's

1140
01:24:42.199 --> 01:24:45.359
just as criminals as it gets.
You know, you're you're talking about dealing

1141
01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:48.319
against humanity here. You know,
we're not supposed to know anything, so

1142
01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:51.600
you can allow them to continue to
do what they do, and you know

1143
01:24:51.640 --> 01:24:55.880
that's not They're not up to any
good. I mean, this is just

1144
01:24:56.119 --> 01:24:59.840
absolutely insane to me. But that's
what a case officer does. He gets

1145
01:25:00.000 --> 01:25:02.680
people to betray. And I've seen
this, not with all abductees, but

1146
01:25:02.720 --> 01:25:09.119
several abductees who actually found out information
they felt was really dangerous that for the

1147
01:25:09.119 --> 01:25:13.520
alien if it got out about them, and they flat told me face.

1148
01:25:13.800 --> 01:25:15.720
One of is Corpus Christie, Texas. She cried, she's please, don't

1149
01:25:15.720 --> 01:25:21.239
make me tell you what I know. I see. Even if it would

1150
01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:25.560
help us and might even help save
us in somewhere or do something like that,

1151
01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:31.359
she doesn't matter. I don't want
to betray them, man, that's

1152
01:25:31.399 --> 01:25:36.800
just weird stuff. This all gets
kind of into motive, at least with

1153
01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:42.840
the intelligence and the subterfuge, So
getting further into motive if you were to

1154
01:25:42.920 --> 01:25:48.159
speculate, and maybe you don't even
want to speculate or but do you have

1155
01:25:48.199 --> 01:25:56.600
any speculations towards then what the motive
is behind this subterfuge. And we could

1156
01:25:56.640 --> 01:26:00.319
obviously sit here for hours and go
through all kinds of possibilities there. But

1157
01:26:00.359 --> 01:26:05.880
the fact is that when they finished
with an abductee, and they especially if

1158
01:26:05.880 --> 01:26:12.000
they come into the contact him until
the basically a lot of contactees have a

1159
01:26:13.520 --> 01:26:17.119
very interesting view about the alien and
how they're here to save us and fix

1160
01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:25.680
the planet or whatever. Both of
these it seems to me that realistically,

1161
01:26:25.720 --> 01:26:30.520
both of you, the abductee and
the contact e, may be just viewpoints

1162
01:26:30.520 --> 01:26:34.000
provided by the alien just to keep
you arguing with them on a lateral level,

1163
01:26:35.039 --> 01:26:39.079
arguing with each other. Well,
if you've missed the whole point,

1164
01:26:39.520 --> 01:26:43.239
both systems, both ideas as,
you ought to have been focusing on the

1165
01:26:43.279 --> 01:26:46.560
one that created the problem begin with. Einstein says that whatever whoever created the

1166
01:26:46.600 --> 01:26:53.880
problem can't solve it. We didn't
create the problem. I think we can

1167
01:26:53.960 --> 01:26:58.520
solve it. The alien created it, and I don't think he can solve

1168
01:26:58.560 --> 01:27:06.479
it. That's a very interesting perspective. Did you have anything more to say,

1169
01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:14.119
motive Wiser, I'll leave that to
your imagination. Wait for the book.

1170
01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:15.840
I didn't think you would even go
that far. I didn't think you.

1171
01:27:15.960 --> 01:27:18.920
I thought you're gonna tell me a
guy. You're you're, you're,

1172
01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:24.880
You've made my stay here wonderful.
My conference designer think that you and and

1173
01:27:24.960 --> 01:27:29.720
Carolyn have done a tremendous job,
and you in particular, and so I'm

1174
01:27:29.760 --> 01:27:32.880
perfectly willing to uh give out more
than I would in a regular interview.

1175
01:27:33.239 --> 01:27:39.840
Well and to be honest, you
know, my perspective I try to face

1176
01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:43.560
this, especially with UFO Think Tank
and a more objective. You know,

1177
01:27:43.600 --> 01:27:47.399
I'm trying to get information and everybody
to share because everybody has some important things.

1178
01:27:47.439 --> 01:27:51.520
And my perspective tends to be,
you know, more on the site

1179
01:27:51.560 --> 01:27:58.359
sometimes of the altruistic in the and
there. But you know what's wonderful about

1180
01:27:58.479 --> 01:28:04.079
meeting you know, just varied in
many great minds in this field, is

1181
01:28:04.119 --> 01:28:11.279
to hear all of this this information
and data and you know this isn't stuff

1182
01:28:11.319 --> 01:28:15.079
that you came up with out of
nowhere. You have a lot of research

1183
01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:17.640
that was done and I think that's
what's great for us all to share and

1184
01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:20.479
open our minds to and like you
said, you know, if they're trying

1185
01:28:20.520 --> 01:28:25.720
to pin us against each other.
If we talk to each other, and

1186
01:28:25.760 --> 01:28:30.479
we can talk to each other civilly
and instead of fighting against you know those

1187
01:28:30.479 --> 01:28:33.960
basics and move on. I think
that'll move us somewhere. And some of

1188
01:28:34.000 --> 01:28:38.680
the things that you've done, I
think, like you talked about with trying

1189
01:28:38.720 --> 01:28:43.560
to get an effect with them is
very interesting because it sounds like you've been

1190
01:28:43.600 --> 01:28:47.439
successful. Like you talked about an
experience with a lady who you asked her

1191
01:28:47.479 --> 01:28:55.119
to bring back Breddy Krueger's hat.
In this case, the lady came to

1192
01:28:55.119 --> 01:28:59.039
me in tears, crying, and
there was a hypno therapist I was training

1193
01:28:59.079 --> 01:29:02.479
at the time. It was nearline
pilot who the best way to characterize him

1194
01:29:02.600 --> 01:29:11.000
is not cold, just clinical.
I mean, you're not going to find

1195
01:29:11.039 --> 01:29:15.159
him crying over anything. He was
nearly in tears listening to her. Please

1196
01:29:15.680 --> 01:29:19.720
please help me. They said,
they're coming after my children if I give

1197
01:29:19.760 --> 01:29:28.479
you any more information, and she
cried and cried and cried. I said,

1198
01:29:28.479 --> 01:29:31.079
do you think they're going to get
your children anyway? She says yes.

1199
01:29:32.159 --> 01:29:35.680
I said, then the threat is
simply veiled. It doesn't mean anything

1200
01:29:36.239 --> 01:29:43.159
because they've probably already done it anyway. If your kids are abductees, they

1201
01:29:43.239 --> 01:29:46.600
are anyway. If they're not,
there won't be. They choose who they

1202
01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:51.079
will. That's my point is that
the reason I don't want to help you,

1203
01:29:51.119 --> 01:29:54.600
in one sense of the word,
is because you're a bigger lab rap

1204
01:29:54.680 --> 01:29:58.640
for me than you are for them. I said, I'm getting more data

1205
01:29:58.680 --> 01:30:01.600
and better information from you than I
have in all of my abductees at one

1206
01:30:01.640 --> 01:30:06.680
time. That's how good your stuff
is. I said. On the other

1207
01:30:06.720 --> 01:30:12.039
hand, based on my humanity,
I said, I have to help you

1208
01:30:12.479 --> 01:30:16.840
because you've asked. As most people
don't have presence of mind enough to me

1209
01:30:17.439 --> 01:30:24.119
to even ask for help. They're
so busy whining about their problem or glorifying

1210
01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:27.840
the alien in such a way they
don't realize there is a problem that.

1211
01:30:28.880 --> 01:30:31.479
I said, since you've asked,
i'll help you. But I want something

1212
01:30:31.479 --> 01:30:34.479
from you. She said, what's
that. I said, I want Freddy's

1213
01:30:34.600 --> 01:30:40.359
Krueger's hat. I want you to
bring his hat back through the dream.

1214
01:30:41.399 --> 01:30:45.760
That's because I know your events are
real. You'll never convince most people of

1215
01:30:45.760 --> 01:30:50.720
that until we can get Freddy Krueger's
hat. She's what you want, And

1216
01:30:50.720 --> 01:30:56.359
I said, you want to do
this program? She SyES this in sleep

1217
01:30:56.439 --> 01:31:01.399
that she just fell over, and
then I installed a post hypnotic suggestion to

1218
01:31:01.439 --> 01:31:08.880
assault her captor. She assaulted her
captor and tore half his eye cover off.

1219
01:31:10.479 --> 01:31:14.840
Amazingly enough, noticed that it wasn't
part of his eye, and which

1220
01:31:14.880 --> 01:31:18.680
we've known for a long time.
Later, she was not a very strong

1221
01:31:18.720 --> 01:31:24.479
woman, so I installed strength in
her, and the next time she physically

1222
01:31:25.399 --> 01:31:30.319
put her left arm around the entity, so she captured him, and then

1223
01:31:30.760 --> 01:31:34.119
she reached up and grabbed the entire
eye cover and tore the whole thing off.

1224
01:31:34.199 --> 01:31:40.520
This time, I wanted to bring
the I cover back Freddy Krueger's hat,

1225
01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:43.880
so to speak. You know,
if you think you've had a dream,

1226
01:31:43.880 --> 01:31:45.960
it's a wild dream and all that, and you bring back an IE

1227
01:31:45.000 --> 01:31:49.119
cover, it tends to indicate that
that dream might not have been just a

1228
01:31:49.199 --> 01:31:54.199
dream. So at this point she
got the IE cover off, and I

1229
01:31:54.239 --> 01:31:59.039
asked her a number of questions,
like is is he in pain? She

1230
01:31:59.119 --> 01:32:02.359
says, no, it's not pain
at all. He's not even wiggling or

1231
01:32:02.359 --> 01:32:10.359
trying to get away, which indicated
he probably was biomechanical. And interestingly enough,

1232
01:32:10.439 --> 01:32:13.800
several other things happened, one of
which Astor described the eye what was

1233
01:32:13.960 --> 01:32:16.840
under the eye cover, and she
described his red sipple screen with these white

1234
01:32:16.840 --> 01:32:24.600
lines running back and forth across the
eye. Well, that was very telling,

1235
01:32:26.119 --> 01:32:31.680
again indicating the possibility of a biomechanical
device or something connecting to him.

1236
01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:39.239
And so, as I said before, when these little you do things,

1237
01:32:39.279 --> 01:32:43.279
these little guys can't comprehend or outside
their purview, they'll bring help. This

1238
01:32:43.399 --> 01:32:47.000
time the doctor type, which looks
just liking but he's a little taller usually

1239
01:32:47.520 --> 01:32:54.239
and he's a lot smarter. They
brought three little entities and him, and

1240
01:32:54.319 --> 01:32:58.880
they brought a little doctor type.
He came and as soon as she was

1241
01:32:58.960 --> 01:33:01.439
tearing ie cover off, the little
guys are over trying to get the thing

1242
01:33:01.479 --> 01:33:04.880
out of out of her hand.
One of them was on each finger and

1243
01:33:04.880 --> 01:33:10.399
they couldn't get her hand pride open. Finally, this doctor type walks over

1244
01:33:10.479 --> 01:33:14.479
with this little device that kind of
looks like earphones, put them on her

1245
01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:17.920
head and she just tranced out instantly
in her hand finally opened and he just

1246
01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:23.000
grabbed the eye cover and walked off
with it. So we didn't get it.

1247
01:33:24.000 --> 01:33:29.680
The fact is that she feels that
she actually did get the eye cover,

1248
01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:31.319
and she felt I should fail.
She said, I feel like I've

1249
01:33:31.319 --> 01:33:35.000
betrayed you because it was obviously didn't
bring the cover back. She didn't know

1250
01:33:35.720 --> 01:33:41.760
this herself in her conscious mind,
and it was really funny and amazing how

1251
01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:45.039
that whole thing went down. But
she's done some pretty incredible things. She

1252
01:33:45.079 --> 01:33:49.039
passed away this year. Her name
is Linda Taylor, a wonderful lady,

1253
01:33:49.039 --> 01:33:54.319
and I just God bless her and
God rest her soul for helping us.

1254
01:33:54.600 --> 01:34:01.520
She was a wonderful woman who helped
us gather evidence, had a profound love

1255
01:34:01.560 --> 01:34:08.279
for her family and her children and
did not want them abused or taken any

1256
01:34:08.319 --> 01:34:12.359
more like she was. And her
husband's also an abductee. He's still alive

1257
01:34:12.439 --> 01:34:17.159
today and still in contact with me. Her children, her daughter is still

1258
01:34:17.199 --> 01:34:21.119
in contact with me, an abductee
as well. And I've worked with that

1259
01:34:21.119 --> 01:34:27.520
family for over ten years and wonderful
people. But the fact is that these

1260
01:34:27.520 --> 01:34:30.800
people have already been through the mill
and drug through a not hole backwards,

1261
01:34:30.840 --> 01:34:33.439
so to speak, and they're really
tired of it, and there is no

1262
01:34:34.439 --> 01:34:39.600
if you hear it from their perspective. I don't know if you've ever talked

1263
01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:42.239
to doctor Carla Turner but if you
sit and tell her things like this,

1264
01:34:43.960 --> 01:34:46.199
how positive the alien probably could be, and we just don't get it,

1265
01:34:47.399 --> 01:34:55.159
that woman will tear your head off
in anger. Her husband will lift up

1266
01:34:55.159 --> 01:34:59.520
his shirt and show you the claw
marks for this reptiles torn him apart.

1267
01:35:00.800 --> 01:35:02.760
And then they'll look at you and
ask do you think any part of that

1268
01:35:02.840 --> 01:35:06.760
was positive? And they don't usually
say that in a real nice way.

1269
01:35:08.560 --> 01:35:11.039
But she was live. I mean
a lot of people kind of feared that

1270
01:35:11.079 --> 01:35:14.520
little gal, a little, tiny
type, and she's one of my abductees

1271
01:35:14.560 --> 01:35:17.159
and I just loved her a lot. She's a wonderful, wonderful lady.

1272
01:35:17.560 --> 01:35:23.399
And her husband, Elton was They've
just got scars and battle scars on them

1273
01:35:23.399 --> 01:35:26.319
from their events. And I'll tell
you you will never convince them, not

1274
01:35:26.439 --> 01:35:30.720
in the slightest. They'll ask you
for your mentally ill and suggest you get

1275
01:35:30.720 --> 01:35:33.640
on your meds and get a counselor
or something. You obviously don't have a

1276
01:35:33.640 --> 01:35:40.399
clue. They have no kind words
whatsoever for anyone who has a differing opinion

1277
01:35:41.199 --> 01:35:44.199
based on their experience. Of course, it's their experience they're looking at.

1278
01:35:44.359 --> 01:35:47.920
But anyway, there's some people gone
through some pretty tough things. Then the

1279
01:35:47.199 --> 01:35:53.279
tailors have been through this like that, and she passed away this year,

1280
01:35:53.800 --> 01:35:59.359
but she was she was my spy, so to speak. She was in

1281
01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:04.920
the field getting evidence well. And
to end, I want to ask just

1282
01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:09.479
a couple more questions out they're sure
just on euphology, but to end that

1283
01:36:09.560 --> 01:36:12.840
whole abduction thing and try to end
it on a good note. You did

1284
01:36:12.960 --> 01:36:17.760
mention that you have ran across and
abduction experience angelic type creatures. Yes,

1285
01:36:18.000 --> 01:36:23.159
that's an amazing sun. I'm glad
you brought it up, Lejandro. The

1286
01:36:23.239 --> 01:36:30.439
rare cases where an angel will show
up very rare in an abduction, the

1287
01:36:30.479 --> 01:36:33.880
alien takes off ninety miles an hour
in the other direction as fast as they

1288
01:36:33.920 --> 01:36:41.760
can. They scatter like scared little
chicks. It makes one wonder why would

1289
01:36:41.800 --> 01:36:46.520
you fear an angel. It's obvious
you're not on the same side. Do

1290
01:36:46.560 --> 01:36:50.439
you believe these angels are aliens or
something else? No, there's no question

1291
01:36:50.520 --> 01:36:57.000
the angels are not alien. The
issue is based on everything we know from

1292
01:36:57.159 --> 01:37:00.079
these rare cases where these events have
happened, And I have to tell you

1293
01:37:00.119 --> 01:37:04.079
that we've got some really good cases
where they've where this has happened. I

1294
01:37:04.119 --> 01:37:09.279
know these people personally, I know
their integrity. I know a lot about

1295
01:37:09.319 --> 01:37:12.640
the case. I'm not saying here. I'm simply telling you that the alien

1296
01:37:12.840 --> 01:37:18.399
is terrified of an angel. Aliens
are not terrified of aliens. There's something

1297
01:37:18.479 --> 01:37:26.880
so radically different about this, about
an angelic presence. And in fact,

1298
01:37:26.920 --> 01:37:30.279
in the famous Calvin Parker case,
I told you about him coming off to

1299
01:37:30.279 --> 01:37:33.560
the craft with his stomach cut and
how he assaulted his captor and all this,

1300
01:37:33.720 --> 01:37:38.720
and and then Charlie Hickson coming off
the craft, you know, thinking

1301
01:37:38.800 --> 01:37:42.520
he's like he's glowing so to speak, you know, and so on,

1302
01:37:43.439 --> 01:37:45.479
And I can tell you a lot
more about even that case where Charlie Hickson's

1303
01:37:45.479 --> 01:37:49.600
story doesn't bear out at all.
I know I question him, and I

1304
01:37:49.720 --> 01:37:54.039
tell you would not believe the responses
I got out of him because I questioned

1305
01:37:54.079 --> 01:37:58.560
him properly. There are ways you
can ask questions, and I guarantee you

1306
01:37:58.640 --> 01:38:02.439
can elicit responses that will will absolutely
stun you if you ask the questions properly.

1307
01:38:03.520 --> 01:38:09.239
And in these rare cases with the
angelics, there is a decidedly a

1308
01:38:09.479 --> 01:38:15.039
clear viewpoint that there is no reckoning
between the two, and one is infinitely

1309
01:38:15.079 --> 01:38:18.920
more powerful than the other, obviously, because one scattered and took off.

1310
01:38:19.399 --> 01:38:23.039
There is an ancient saying in the
Bible that I liked real well. It

1311
01:38:23.039 --> 01:38:29.039
says, the wicked fleeth when no
one pursueth. Have you ever tried to

1312
01:38:30.359 --> 01:38:34.079
have an abducte call in these angels? Try to? We actually had one

1313
01:38:34.119 --> 01:38:42.159
case where I actually wanted to do
an experiment one night my daughter in law

1314
01:38:42.199 --> 01:38:44.640
when she first and force she became
my daughter in law. She is a

1315
01:38:44.720 --> 01:38:48.760
lady in Brazil who fled her abductions, horrified by what was happening to her,

1316
01:38:48.760 --> 01:38:53.960
I mean, even with her mother, horrible stuff. When she got

1317
01:38:54.000 --> 01:38:56.640
to the United States, she had
a thing on the back of her neck

1318
01:38:56.720 --> 01:39:02.479
looked like a U inside of you, like just two little letters basically inside

1319
01:39:02.479 --> 01:39:05.279
each other, and it was on
the back of the neck. It looked

1320
01:39:05.279 --> 01:39:10.119
like a tattoo to me, and
I've showed it tonight in our presentation,

1321
01:39:11.880 --> 01:39:14.840
and what was amazing about. Of
course, I questioned her about that and

1322
01:39:15.359 --> 01:39:17.880
found that she had turned it in
the Federal police of Brazil. The aliens

1323
01:39:17.920 --> 01:39:20.359
had done it, and that's why
didn't you remove it? It looked like

1324
01:39:20.399 --> 01:39:26.239
a tattoo to me, She said, that is after tattoo removal. It's

1325
01:39:26.279 --> 01:39:30.039
not a tattoo anyway, A lot
of horrific stuff went on with her.

1326
01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:36.000
One night, I was working on
my computer and went to bed, and

1327
01:39:36.239 --> 01:39:42.880
next morning my wife and I got
up and she was crying, and so,

1328
01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:46.239
what's wrong, she says. She
started crying about the creature that came

1329
01:39:46.279 --> 01:39:49.479
in through the wall, the same
one in Brazil. They found her again,

1330
01:39:50.359 --> 01:39:54.039
and she's crying and going, I
mean, it's just got awful,

1331
01:39:54.920 --> 01:40:00.000
and she's just absolutely uncontrollable. I
mean, like I said, you know,

1332
01:39:59.840 --> 01:40:02.039
you you have to be there.
I really appreciate how ugly some of

1333
01:40:02.079 --> 01:40:06.479
this stuff gets. I'm cleaning it
up here making it sound reasonable so it

1334
01:40:06.479 --> 01:40:10.199
doesn't sound disgusting, but I'm telling
you I was there, I know.

1335
01:40:12.319 --> 01:40:16.560
So anyway, she cries and cries
and cries, and I said, well,

1336
01:40:17.640 --> 01:40:20.199
you know it's all over though,
you know, she said, you

1337
01:40:20.199 --> 01:40:23.800
know, you don't understand. She
said, my events come and freeze.

1338
01:40:24.319 --> 01:40:30.319
They'll be back tonight. And she
said it happens on the third month,

1339
01:40:31.039 --> 01:40:38.840
on the third day, at three
in the morning. Well that's interesting.

1340
01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:43.159
So I said, well tomorrow night
I'll be up. Oh, thank you,

1341
01:40:43.239 --> 01:40:46.039
thank you. She's so grateful.
You know, hey, come to

1342
01:40:46.039 --> 01:40:49.520
my house. You're gonna pay you
gotta pay rent, or you're gonna pay

1343
01:40:49.560 --> 01:40:57.319
up. Something's gonna happen you.
So that night, about two in the

1344
01:40:57.319 --> 01:41:00.279
morning, I got thinking, you
know, here is a wonderful chance for

1345
01:41:00.359 --> 01:41:06.800
us to test to see if we
could do something better. And I thought,

1346
01:41:10.119 --> 01:41:13.840
I'm gonna pray about this, and
I did. I felt absolutely wonderful

1347
01:41:13.920 --> 01:41:16.560
with the answer that I got that
I ought to just leave this in the

1348
01:41:16.560 --> 01:41:24.520
Lord's hands. I just felt real
comfortable with that. Enough with the bad.

1349
01:41:24.600 --> 01:41:27.600
I mean, here's my chance to
face off with one of these cosmic

1350
01:41:27.600 --> 01:41:32.720
skinheads, and I've turned it down
so on faith, I just left the

1351
01:41:32.760 --> 01:41:38.800
situation. This is in my own
home. And I left the situation,

1352
01:41:38.920 --> 01:41:43.520
went to bed, just felt great
about it, felt I was doing the

1353
01:41:43.600 --> 01:41:47.479
right thing. Went to bed.
Next morning, get up, she's screaming

1354
01:41:47.520 --> 01:41:53.159
and crying, and oh it was
awful. It was terrible. See,

1355
01:41:53.159 --> 01:41:55.159
it was worse than the day before. I said, well, what in

1356
01:41:55.159 --> 01:41:58.359
the world have I done? This
is weird. What did I do wrong?

1357
01:41:58.399 --> 01:42:00.399
Here? I thought this was good. I thought I thought, I

1358
01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:05.800
really thought this was correct. I
mean, this was this was the right

1359
01:42:05.840 --> 01:42:13.319
thing. To do, and she
describes this creature trying to come in,

1360
01:42:13.359 --> 01:42:16.199
and she picked up the piece of
stovewood off our fireplace She's going to hit

1361
01:42:16.239 --> 01:42:19.000
him with. It made him mad. What's funny about the dam? This

1362
01:42:19.039 --> 01:42:24.159
is really weird and also happened in
the Varghena incident as well. They sounded

1363
01:42:24.199 --> 01:42:27.600
like a bunch of bees inside their
head. They buzz really weird when they're

1364
01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:33.159
angry or upset. A lot of
people don't know that. Yeah, so

1365
01:42:33.239 --> 01:42:38.960
she's she's swinging this stovewood at him
and it sets back outside and all of

1366
01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:42.880
a sudden, something, she said, Darryl, she said, something so

1367
01:42:44.640 --> 01:42:55.079
horrific and so powerful, infinitely worse
than him, comes through the wall and

1368
01:42:55.159 --> 01:43:00.520
she describes just, I mean,
it's just horrible. Man, I should

1369
01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:08.159
have stayed up this show. And
then she starts crying. I said,

1370
01:43:08.199 --> 01:43:11.760
why are you crying? Now?
What you know? The end of the

1371
01:43:11.760 --> 01:43:15.640
event's over here you're telling me and
she says she just, I mean,

1372
01:43:15.800 --> 01:43:19.399
just was in tears, and joy
I said. She said, I'm happy,

1373
01:43:19.439 --> 01:43:23.640
And I said, why, what
what happened? This bad guy's there

1374
01:43:23.640 --> 01:43:27.359
and you're happy? She says,
yes, she said, this angel showed

1375
01:43:27.439 --> 01:43:34.600
up, so magnificent and powerful,
and this horrible creature and the alien took

1376
01:43:34.680 --> 01:43:38.960
off. They ran away as fast
as they could get away. I was

1377
01:43:39.000 --> 01:43:43.399
so happy. So I told her
about what I'd done, and she said,

1378
01:43:43.439 --> 01:43:45.439
I wonder where you were at.
Why you didn't get up. You

1379
01:43:45.479 --> 01:43:48.560
don't leave me alone, you don't
listen. So next time, I said,

1380
01:43:48.760 --> 01:43:51.279
it happens three, she said,
yes, I will be up.

1381
01:43:51.359 --> 01:43:55.239
All I said, I don't care
what happens three o'clock in the morning,

1382
01:43:55.279 --> 01:43:58.960
I will be there. And she
was sleeping on a little palette we've made

1383
01:43:58.960 --> 01:44:02.800
forward there in the live. So
I worked on my computer. At about

1384
01:44:02.800 --> 01:44:05.960
two thirty, I went in,
got my Japanese sword, sharpened it up,

1385
01:44:06.600 --> 01:44:11.840
walked in and sit down right next
to her and listen. Leaned back

1386
01:44:11.880 --> 01:44:15.359
against a chair. She's over there, not about four or five feet away,

1387
01:44:15.359 --> 01:44:20.880
on her little pallette, sound asleep. About two forty five, she

1388
01:44:21.000 --> 01:44:25.199
sets up. I mean tell you
like she woke up and never bat at

1389
01:44:25.199 --> 01:44:28.600
the night, like she just was
switched on. She sets up and looks

1390
01:44:28.640 --> 01:44:33.760
at me. She says, I
know you're here. She was sound asleep.

1391
01:44:34.760 --> 01:44:42.159
Wow, And I said sleep.
She lays back down and goes to

1392
01:44:42.199 --> 01:44:45.640
sleep exactly at three o'clock in the
morning, she wakes up again. I

1393
01:44:45.640 --> 01:44:47.720
mean, why is wide open?
She didn't wake up. She was like,

1394
01:44:47.760 --> 01:44:50.119
she switched on, looks at me, and she said, they know

1395
01:44:50.199 --> 01:44:58.119
you're here. And I said,
you know, I'm glad they do because

1396
01:44:58.159 --> 01:45:01.479
now I know, you know,
they know that I know. And now

1397
01:45:01.479 --> 01:45:04.720
I know that they know that.
I know that they know. Now that

1398
01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:10.199
we all know what I know,
and they know why I'm here. And

1399
01:45:10.279 --> 01:45:13.279
the fact their cowards won't come through
that wall, I said, I'm just

1400
01:45:13.319 --> 01:45:15.000
delighted the fact they they're not making
it. I said, I wish they

1401
01:45:15.000 --> 01:45:18.079
would. I said, I'll tell
you something, that's one of these days

1402
01:45:18.119 --> 01:45:21.239
I'm gonna be on the other side
of that wall, and that's gonna be

1403
01:45:21.239 --> 01:45:25.479
the sad day of his life.
He's not gonna be scaring anybody else after

1404
01:45:25.520 --> 01:45:30.680
that. That'll just be too bad. I don't have any respect for anybody

1405
01:45:30.720 --> 01:45:34.279
does that kind of stuff, human
beings or anyone else. If humans are

1406
01:45:34.279 --> 01:45:39.520
doing that to aliens, I wouldn't
like it. Well, that's significant.

1407
01:45:39.560 --> 01:45:43.079
I think, you know, maybe
I'm an optimist here, but I think

1408
01:45:43.119 --> 01:45:46.359
that whole story, you know,
is very significant. It's very empowering,

1409
01:45:46.560 --> 01:45:54.520
very positive and uplifting, and it
was enormously important for her. Two final

1410
01:45:54.600 --> 01:45:58.680
questions, I thank you for that
story, and I love that story.

1411
01:45:58.840 --> 01:46:03.680
That's gonna I know that's going to
be with me for a while UFOs.

1412
01:46:03.920 --> 01:46:08.079
Getting back to UFOs, two quick
questions, more related to the website and

1413
01:46:08.079 --> 01:46:15.640
some of the stuff I'm exploring UFOs. Do you have an idea whether UFOs

1414
01:46:15.720 --> 01:46:20.479
are solely alien? Are also unknowns
that are built by humans as well?

1415
01:46:21.199 --> 01:46:28.560
Maybe you know super secret projects too, to try to explore that area.

1416
01:46:28.560 --> 01:46:31.560
Are UFOs also human made? And
if so, what makes you believe that,

1417
01:46:32.520 --> 01:46:36.279
Well, there are UFOs that are
human made. There's no question about

1418
01:46:36.279 --> 01:46:39.800
it. There's evidence of it.
Area fifty one is proof of it.

1419
01:46:40.640 --> 01:46:44.439
Anybody's got half a brain already knows
that. I have a friend that actually

1420
01:46:44.479 --> 01:46:47.359
went out through, got through all
the tech equipment had up or before they

1421
01:46:47.359 --> 01:46:51.960
put a lot of it up years
ago, back in nineteen ninety five,

1422
01:46:54.439 --> 01:46:59.159
and he actually got through and actually
watched them out in the bushes. He

1423
01:46:59.279 --> 01:47:01.880
was up next to the feet watching
that craft take off and do them incredible

1424
01:47:01.880 --> 01:47:11.359
things light on off all of it, I mean amazing, And there's no

1425
01:47:11.479 --> 01:47:16.359
question in my mind that that thing's
powered by us. I don't know what

1426
01:47:16.439 --> 01:47:21.399
it is, but we've got some
pretty bizarre stuff we're working on. You

1427
01:47:21.439 --> 01:47:29.359
can't have a budget of hundreds of
millions of dollars every year that even the

1428
01:47:29.399 --> 01:47:33.520
Congress cannot look at or inquire into
and think for an instant that they're actually

1429
01:47:33.520 --> 01:47:38.600
paving roads with all that money.
They don't pay roads. That money,

1430
01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:43.039
they spend it on other things.
And they're not spending on this or that

1431
01:47:43.279 --> 01:47:45.760
or war or whatever that All that
money is already allocated anyway for other things.

1432
01:47:46.359 --> 01:47:49.880
So this money is private and none
to themselves. In the intelligence community,

1433
01:47:50.359 --> 01:47:59.359
the ciad IA if it's intelligence agency, I'm telling you that there's this

1434
01:47:59.479 --> 01:48:02.079
enormous am money and there's just what
in the world is that money being spent

1435
01:48:02.079 --> 01:48:05.359
on. I mean, it's not
just keeping up to They just opened up

1436
01:48:05.399 --> 01:48:10.279
a two hundred square mile area,
just opened it up. I think it

1437
01:48:10.319 --> 01:48:15.800
was the Department, thinks in the
paper today the Department, the Defense Intelligence

1438
01:48:15.800 --> 01:48:20.439
Agency opened up a two hundred square
mile of just like another green lake just

1439
01:48:20.479 --> 01:48:26.039
opened up in paper today. I
just thought this morning breakfast. So there

1440
01:48:26.079 --> 01:48:28.960
are things out there. As I
told the Japanese, they paid me two

1441
01:48:29.000 --> 01:48:32.680
thousand dollars for an interview, which
is about a fourth is long. So

1442
01:48:32.720 --> 01:48:36.840
I for of you owed me about
ten grand. Oh jeez, And they

1443
01:48:36.920 --> 01:48:41.119
paid me two thousand dollars for this
thing. They flew me out to Los

1444
01:48:41.159 --> 01:48:44.720
Angeles first class, and then they
asked me a number of questions. I

1445
01:48:44.720 --> 01:48:47.199
said, you know minta team,
what do you do? What do you

1446
01:48:47.239 --> 01:48:53.319
know about Area fifty one? I
said absolutely nothing. At that point I

1447
01:48:53.399 --> 01:48:58.119
thought they probably felt they wasted their
money, But I told them I've never

1448
01:48:58.159 --> 01:49:01.399
been there at fifty one know much
about it. I said. The thing

1449
01:49:01.399 --> 01:49:04.119
I can tell you about Area fifty
one is it's not nearly as important as

1450
01:49:04.840 --> 01:49:10.279
White Sands Missile Range. What do
you mean, I said, well,

1451
01:49:10.399 --> 01:49:13.800
White Sands Missile Range where I lived
for thirteen years. There's a big sign

1452
01:49:13.840 --> 01:49:16.000
out there right very front when you
drive through there says don't ope, don't

1453
01:49:16.119 --> 01:49:21.319
pull your camera out. You know
what they mean it. They'll arrest you

1454
01:49:21.359 --> 01:49:26.399
and have you in front of a
federal magistrate within thirty minutes. If in

1455
01:49:26.479 --> 01:49:29.760
that's assuming you're just being stupid and
doing what they told you not to.

1456
01:49:30.399 --> 01:49:34.960
If they think you're spying, you're
going to go to federal prenicentiary. Now

1457
01:49:35.079 --> 01:49:39.680
you can go to Area fifty one
and earn these signs. Can't say you

1458
01:49:39.720 --> 01:49:41.960
can't take any pictures all. In
fact, there are all kinds of pictures.

1459
01:49:42.039 --> 01:49:45.640
Every fifty one Japanese took the best
pictures there ever was showed the doors

1460
01:49:45.680 --> 01:49:47.399
on the side of the mountains out
there. I mean, it's amazing the

1461
01:49:47.439 --> 01:49:53.319
photos they got. Why have to
put them in jail for respionage because what

1462
01:49:53.359 --> 01:49:56.960
you're seeing out in early fifty one
is what you're supposed to see. And

1463
01:49:57.039 --> 01:50:00.560
if people aren't aware, White Sands
Missile basis literally right across the street from

1464
01:50:00.600 --> 01:50:06.600
Roswell essentially, well, it's in
New Mexico. Almagordo is in Halliman Air

1465
01:50:06.640 --> 01:50:11.920
Force Base is next to it.
And I've lived out there for thirteen years

1466
01:50:11.920 --> 01:50:15.560
and I'm telling you that. And
I told the Japanese, I said,

1467
01:50:15.680 --> 01:50:17.680
you know, Area fifty two is
a lot more important than every fifty one.

1468
01:50:18.399 --> 01:50:21.600
Fifty two Being White Sans, they
said, we're area of fifty two.

1469
01:50:23.000 --> 01:50:26.079
I said Area fifty two. I
said, it's located of course in

1470
01:50:26.159 --> 01:50:30.159
Australia, right, I said,
there's an interesting base there. It's an

1471
01:50:30.159 --> 01:50:33.600
American base and it's the middle of
Australia. First of all, you got

1472
01:50:33.640 --> 01:50:36.399
to fly to Australia to get there. Yeah, I said. The laws

1473
01:50:36.399 --> 01:50:40.720
there in Australia a lot different than
ours. They'll put you in jail for

1474
01:50:40.720 --> 01:50:43.199
fifty years. You go out there
and carry camera out there and next do

1475
01:50:43.359 --> 01:50:45.239
that kind of stuff out there.
You gotta fly there and get there,

1476
01:50:45.279 --> 01:50:49.000
and then you go to prison for
doing it. Yeah, the MoveOn director

1477
01:50:49.279 --> 01:50:56.000
an International director John Shusher cut a
tour short in Australia for that reason.

1478
01:50:56.039 --> 01:51:00.760
He was getting messed with and not
a good area way. Their laws are

1479
01:51:00.760 --> 01:51:09.000
not like ours. They'll mess with
you there. And the National Security Agency

1480
01:51:09.039 --> 01:51:15.439
and the CIA there don't have any
laws like they do here. And the

1481
01:51:15.520 --> 01:51:19.239
laws over there for intelligence they ain't
no law. You want to get messed

1482
01:51:19.239 --> 01:51:21.119
with, you want to get hurt, you want to go to prison,

1483
01:51:21.800 --> 01:51:26.000
Go ahead and go out to find
gap and find out what happens. These

1484
01:51:26.000 --> 01:51:30.039
people will mess with you. One
last question. I know it's late,

1485
01:51:30.319 --> 01:51:32.520
but I got you. You're going
back to Texas, so I gotta get

1486
01:51:32.560 --> 01:51:40.000
them in disclosure. First of all, I guess what would be your ideal

1487
01:51:40.159 --> 01:51:44.600
way of disclosure to come out?
And then the second part of the question

1488
01:51:44.720 --> 01:51:47.039
being how do you think it might
actually come about? If you think it

1489
01:51:47.079 --> 01:51:49.920
will come about. I don't think
disclosure is going to happen the way the

1490
01:51:49.960 --> 01:51:58.840
UFO community wants it to. I
wished I had a hire hope for that,

1491
01:51:58.920 --> 01:52:00.079
but I just don't think it's going
to happen. I don't think it's

1492
01:52:00.079 --> 01:52:02.279
gonna happen for a number of reasons. I don't want to get into here

1493
01:52:02.840 --> 01:52:06.119
because I don't want it to be
political, and I'm not picking on anybody.

1494
01:52:06.439 --> 01:52:10.079
It's just that I'm just telling you
that I used to be an intelligence

1495
01:52:10.119 --> 01:52:14.199
business and you're being set up.
I'm afraid you're gonna get hurting if you

1496
01:52:14.279 --> 01:52:15.760
go in there, and if you
get a congressional meeting, you're gonna be

1497
01:52:16.000 --> 01:52:19.600
You're gonna be shocked because there are
people sitting in there in your group that

1498
01:52:19.720 --> 01:52:24.760
already been planted. You're not gonna
win. I already know that. So

1499
01:52:24.880 --> 01:52:28.319
I don't think disclosure is gonna happen
like that anyway. And that's just my

1500
01:52:28.399 --> 01:52:31.119
personal opinion. That fifty cents to
get your bad cup cough won't even let

1501
01:52:31.159 --> 01:52:38.039
you in the front door Starbucks.
So I think disclosure can happen in other

1502
01:52:38.079 --> 01:52:42.279
ways. And I hate to say
this this way, but you really need

1503
01:52:42.319 --> 01:52:46.359
something more like a day the Order
stood still type deal. I think if

1504
01:52:46.399 --> 01:52:50.279
you could catch an alien as an
example, and a craft is an example

1505
01:52:51.439 --> 01:52:55.600
somewhere or another, I think you
would be a lot better off. You've

1506
01:52:55.640 --> 01:53:00.119
created your own roswell. Or maybe
we should I get a whole host of

1507
01:53:00.359 --> 01:53:02.159
angels on our site before we attempt
that. It works for me. If

1508
01:53:02.159 --> 01:53:04.319
they're there for hire, I'll be
glad to hire them in a minute.

1509
01:53:04.399 --> 01:53:06.680
Or tell me where they're at,
where they're work, and we'll get them

1510
01:53:06.680 --> 01:53:11.680
on board here well. And that's
one of the big premises is why I

1511
01:53:11.720 --> 01:53:16.520
started this organized group because I don't
want I don't think disclosure coming from quote

1512
01:53:16.600 --> 01:53:20.840
unquote officials is going to be helpful
or healthy. I think if we talk

1513
01:53:20.840 --> 01:53:26.199
amongst each other and kind of a
public disclosure amongst each other is going to

1514
01:53:26.279 --> 01:53:30.800
help us go a lot further.
There is an enormous lack of leadership in

1515
01:53:30.800 --> 01:53:35.239
the UFO community. They're just is
that basically we're all out here fire and

1516
01:53:35.239 --> 01:53:39.279
warm guns, so to speak.
Well, it's hard for us to degree

1517
01:53:39.319 --> 01:53:44.119
on the but it's not just agreement
there. There are there are huge egos

1518
01:53:44.119 --> 01:53:48.319
here at stake. I don't mind
following a good leader. I don't care.

1519
01:53:48.520 --> 01:53:56.359
It doesn't bother me. The problem
is the few good people that are

1520
01:53:56.560 --> 01:54:00.119
trying to do the right thing,
that are in big leadership position, and

1521
01:54:00.560 --> 01:54:02.479
people are doing that. Most of
them are smart enough realize, you know,

1522
01:54:02.520 --> 01:54:04.600
you might as well stay out of
it. You're going to you're gonna

1523
01:54:04.640 --> 01:54:09.239
draw a lot of fire down on
yourself, and a few people who've tried

1524
01:54:09.279 --> 01:54:12.199
to tamper with that a little bit
and try to really do stuff have been

1525
01:54:12.239 --> 01:54:15.279
shot up pretty bad. I mean, it's bad. You will pay the

1526
01:54:15.279 --> 01:54:19.119
price because these egos. But some
of these people are so huge they're just

1527
01:54:19.159 --> 01:54:23.000
not gonna It doesn't lend itself to
that. So you're going to have to

1528
01:54:23.039 --> 01:54:27.560
do something outside that, in my
view, to come up with your own

1529
01:54:27.600 --> 01:54:30.760
disclosure. And I think we all
have our own personal disclosures we have to

1530
01:54:30.760 --> 01:54:33.840
make. Some of us are still
sitting in the closet hiding because we don't

1531
01:54:33.840 --> 01:54:36.960
want to talk about our abductions.
We don't talk about our real experiences because

1532
01:54:38.000 --> 01:54:41.479
my god, you know, I
mean not opening the Pandora's box for myself.

1533
01:54:42.520 --> 01:54:45.920
So I think the real people,
the heroes in my view, in

1534
01:54:45.079 --> 01:54:49.039
all this business of the abductees,
I think in time you're going to see

1535
01:54:49.079 --> 01:54:54.199
that they were telling the truth.
It's provable, and there's legal and government

1536
01:54:54.239 --> 01:54:58.600
documents that prove this, prove it, and in fact, these people,

1537
01:54:58.960 --> 01:55:01.399
some of them, will be re
in fact his great heroes in the American

1538
01:55:01.479 --> 01:55:06.439
and other publics around the world,
simply because they came forward at a time

1539
01:55:06.479 --> 01:55:10.399
where it was it was the worst
thing you could do was stand out in

1540
01:55:10.439 --> 01:55:13.920
front of your friends and the rest
of the world and say I'm an abductee.

1541
01:55:14.199 --> 01:55:19.119
Yep. And some of us already
believe their heroes and people like you

1542
01:55:19.239 --> 01:55:24.600
being an ugh ductee and coming out, not just coming out, but also

1543
01:55:24.760 --> 01:55:29.000
seeking for more answers and for more
truth. And you know, I think

1544
01:55:29.000 --> 01:55:33.439
that's a good note to it.
Well, optimistic cautious. You can be

1545
01:55:33.479 --> 01:55:38.439
an optimist, you just got to
be cautious about it. That's it for

1546
01:55:38.520 --> 01:55:42.199
this interview. Thank you very much
for tuning in, and I hope you

1547
01:55:42.399 --> 01:55:46.359
enjoyed the interview. Join us next
week. We'll be back on the air

1548
01:55:46.439 --> 01:55:50.960
with the news and we're going to
have Joe mcmonocle. This is really exciting

1549
01:55:51.039 --> 01:55:58.399
because he was the first military remote
viewer, and we'll ask him all about

1550
01:55:58.399 --> 01:56:00.880
the remote viewing he did and how
he's learned it, and you know what

1551
01:56:01.079 --> 01:56:05.840
he saw because he does believe in
extraterrestrials and like many remote viewers, they

1552
01:56:05.880 --> 01:56:12.560
have remote viewed UFOs and seen some
very interesting things. So this is going

1553
01:56:12.640 --> 01:56:16.319
to be a lot of fun.
As always, visit openminds dot tv for

1554
01:56:16.479 --> 01:56:20.039
the latest news, to get your
news fixed that you missed this week,

1555
01:56:20.479 --> 01:56:24.720
and we will talk to you next
week. Have a great day off.

1556
01:57:32.319 --> 01:57:56.279
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mind you stay bank it, mind you

1557
01:57:57.439 --> 01:58:27.399
it. Sometimes I my boding lady. Sometimes I shave. I don't even

1558
01:58:27.439 --> 01:58:30.239
then my f I did not,
and I can