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Welcome back to an episode of Challenges
the podcast all about the Challenge. As

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always, I am Brian Uh peeing
into a jug in his bedroom. Did

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you guys hear that? Big Uncle? Sweet? Sorry, I was just

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emptying the very last bit of my
beer. I promise that's all I was

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sure. I really hope his question
is are you peeing? Actually shows up

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at the beginning of this episode,
Uh sitting in her house contemplating if she's

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gonna start dating bears instead of men, Carlan san Diego and sitting at work

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wondering if he needs to buy himself
a bear costume for his Mormon orgy in

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Ohio soon, Zachie Bananas. If
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two episodes to talk about because we
didn't record last week because the riverside was

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being stupid. Hey we tried,
though, you know, we gave it

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our best shot. We're here half
an hour anyway, it was a lot

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all right. Episode four. Tim's
favorite words so far in this season starget,

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Yes, love it. I had
to rewatch this episode today because I

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forgot what happened. All right.
We start off with was this the one

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that started with? It doesn't matter. I don't care about there that last

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week on we are back in the
house and Rachel is talking about how Tina

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she how she took the star from
Tina and gave it to Veronica, and

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how Tina didn't really earn her star
so it's not that big of a deal,

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and also because she was in the
bottom group last week, it really

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doesn't matter that she took her star
because she didn't actually earn it, and

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Tina's ultimately fine with that. Yeah, we're a long way away from the

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final too, so I think the
stars are just sort of they're there and

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they're relevant, but people aren't pursuing
them all that hard right now. Yeah,

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but Veronica says something to the effect
of like she thinks she's sitting pretty

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for the final for a while,
like, girl, I don't, I

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don't. I don't understand these people
who are like, I have a star,

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I'm in the final. It's like
there's twelve episodes this season. Real,

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calm down, Yeah, we're not
even halfway through and you're a fluffcare

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character. Like that's what I was
going to say. One of these people

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thinking that they like, yeah,
that they're not going to be targeted,

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like Jasmin's another one, like of
course they're gonna come for your star.

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Yeah, Jesse says it in episode
five. Yeah, like Cary, you

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just gave handed my ticket to the
final, Like I don't, don't,

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I don't think you actually okay,
trust me. An episode or two right

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before the final, people are going
to be throwing your ass in Oh yeah.

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Yeah. We also got a quick
like Nicole talking to Cam about how

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Carra apparently said something to the effects
in the previous day. They she expected

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Cam to kind of have her back, and Cam seems kind of like,

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excuse me, what about it?
A little Braddy, which was interesting,

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but it kind of it kind of
led up to what happened over the next

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you know, to this episode and
the next one. Cam has really picked

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a fight with Kara over the Kara
not voting for Rachel. Like I was

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on we'll get into it. I
was kind of on Carra's side where I'm

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just like, calm down, relax. After this last episode, I think

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I may have switched. You guys
can talk about it, argue about it.

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Yeah, well we'll have to talk
about it in episode five. Well

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if you I'm kind of on the
same page this episode she was. This

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episode Cam was being a little braddy, and then we're onto the challenge ship.

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No, not even this is like, legitimately, this is how these

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episodes have been going. It's a
little bit of time and then immediately goes

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into the challenge and then a little
bit of time and you have deliberation and

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like these it's also because these episodes
aren't an hour and a half long,

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because yeah, I found it very
strange that we were almost immediately in it.

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So the challenge this episode is called
Unbraided Reloaded, which was a really

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dumb name. Get I get that
that it's harkening back. It's supposed to

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be a you know, electric Boogloo
two type of things. But I love

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this game. I think this is
really cool. They did a similar one

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of the Ruins, but like over
Water on the Ruins, I think it's

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really cool. There's like strategy,
there's athleticism in here. Yeah, there

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were a lot of It was another
game that there were a lot of different

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parts. It was actually kind of
fun to watch. Yeah. So the

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game is played in four teams of
five people. Everybody is hanging from the

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side of a semi by a big, giant, thick rope and the ropes

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are all braided together as a five
rope braid. They the players have to

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unbraid the rope as the semi is
driving down this track, and once they

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get the rope completely unbraided, then
they have to space out on the side

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of this semi and do a maze
with a peg that's stuck in the wall

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and pass the peg along to each
other until they get to the end,

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and then they can pull out of
the man and the first and uh,

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your time stops when the peg gets
pulled out, which, yeah, it

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was kind of it was fun to
what. There was a lot to it

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that they had to do. My
initial thought was Red Team is all fluff

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players, all fluff players. Who's
the players on that one? It's got

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like Jazz and and Derek, and
I don't remember who. I didn't write

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anybody's names down, but I just
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Uh, they even though they are
a bunch of fluff flight fluff pay

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players, and they are playing against
a team that has Carap, Brad and

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Veronica on it. All big characters, big personalities. The Red team finishes

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like unbraids themselves, finishes the maze
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Like they just fly through this thing. Yeah, like you said, lots

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of big personalities, which is why
I think they couldn't They couldn't figure out

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how to work together. Yeah,
they were all talking over each other.

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Brad was apparently thrown people in one
direction or another, and people weren't doing

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things, and yeah, it's just
a bit of a mess. This came

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down to, essentially, this is
a puzzle. This is more strategy than

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athleticism or anything else. Yeah,
you had to kind of you had to

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work your way through it and like
pause for a second, kind of take

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some stock as to how everybody's going
to unbraid themselves, because it's a lot

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of limbs and ropes being thrown around
second round is Pink and Green team.

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Pink team also has some big personalities
on it. It has both Cam and

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Laurel, and then the Green team
has three different star holders. So that

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was not the greatest team to be
if you end up in the bottom.

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I do like how the teams are
randomized so that we do get that sometimes

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you know, like a lot of
star holders on one team, it's an

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absolute dynamic. Yep. So the
Green team was pure chaos. They just

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couldn't figure the shit out. They
were having all kinds of trouble. We

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also get a confessional from Laurel during
this time, saying that Laurel loves to

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do loves working in team environments,
that she loves being in a team.

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That she's been multiple She's been the
captain of multiple different volleyball teams. That's

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her thing. Was she likes to
lead teams right, not beyond them.

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Yeah, that's what she was implying
it. Yeah, because the moment that

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she said that, I was like, I I don't think that you know

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what working on a team is.
Patty said the same thing. Laurel just

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loves bossing people around. Yes,
she likes Yeah, she likes being the

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captain of a team or the team
leader. Yeah, I'm not so sure.

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She's great as just a team player. No one. It was very

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strange that they that happened, but
everybody on their team seemed to kind of

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work pretty well together and actually listen
to what she was saying. So they

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also finished before the Green team untangles, which was interesting to see. We

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get to the end and TJ,
as always says, it came down to

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Razor fen Margins down to seconds,
so close every game, every single game.

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It's amazing. It really is.
Ultimately Pink team wins. So it's

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Derek, Laurel, Steve, cam
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Jay Brandon, and Tina, and
then the bottom is two different is

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two teams. It is Veronica who
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star, Nicole, Rachel who has
a star, and Flora. Because they're

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going for women this round, so
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that are in there, and of
the five women, three of them have

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stars, so it was and if
you include the guys in that five of

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the six stars from the entire show
are up for grabs. But because it's

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a Women's Day, it's only Ronica
car and Rachel. Rachel has a confessional

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saying that she's pretty convinced that she's
going to be in elimination again, and

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I wholeheartedly agree with that. Kara
thinks she's safe though. She thinks she's

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safe because she has According to her, she has Jazz, who she's backed

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before, Jay, who apparently she's
an ally with, and Brandon because they

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were on Fresh Meat together and I
do remember them getting along. They had

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like a friendship of sorts on them. Yeah. I can understand her and

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her and Brandon. Yeah, I
mean, I guess she has played a

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few different games with Jazz, But
since when is she good with Jay?

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That was a weird. That was
a kind of out of the blue.

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I I know that Jay works with
Nicole, like at the fire station,

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like they're both firemen. They work
together. Yeah, they like know each

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other outside of the shut like their
friends outside the show. So I wonder

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if Kara is just in on that. I think because car is just sort

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of in with Nicole, or at
least was for a while. I don't

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think she's actually in with Nicole.
I think she was in with Nicole like

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way back in the day, but
I don't think she's in with the cole

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now, and on top of that, Cara lives in Montana. Yeah,

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but her Boston accident. We'll discuss
who she's in with when it comes to

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episode five. True, but yeah, so she thinks that she's in with

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those three t and those three players, and so she thinks she's safe.

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So we are back at the house
and we've got Laurel and Nicole talking to

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each other, and Laurel's in just
a towel, just got another shower,

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brushing her hair in just a towel, sitting there talking with Nicole. Bends

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down at one point in time and
Nicole is sitting on top of her dresser.

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Bends down to get into the dresser
and Nicole kind of backs. I'm

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like, oh, too close,
too close. I like that little human

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moment though. I think Nicole is
kind of funny and personal, and I

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thought it was funny except for the
fact that it's a super toxic, super

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toxic relationship. Totally, totally.
Yeah, when it comes to that relationship,

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I think Nicole is the super toxic
one. Yes, I'm not saying

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Laurel's not, but I think Laurel
is just so infasciated with Nicole and knows

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what she's doing horrible. Yeah,
Nicole knows what she's doing, and Laurel

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is still the amateur in this relationship. Yeah. I think Laura is a

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horrible person too, by by the
way, but I think in this situation,

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Nicole is the worst one. Yeah, I agree with that, because

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she's fucking around Laura. She's like
toy with Laurel. Yeah, because Laurel

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in this episode, like right here, she says there's still an attraction between

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us. Multiple times. In the
next episode, Laurel says that there's still

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something between them. Nicole never says
it, but Laurel does multiple times in

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two episodisodes, Laurel does kind of
sound like she's trying to have somewhat of

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an adult conversation with Nicole about the
relationship they had and how things ended and

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why they're having so much trouble around
each other now, and Nicole doesn't want

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to hear it. She kind of
shuts down, like, I don't have

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any words, I don't know what
to say. This is I don't want

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to talk about this right now.
Yeah, So Wolfie, to disagree with

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you a little bit, isn't this
Nicole trying to put a little space at

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a little distance in and saying like, let's not know, is it really

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you think this is all manipulation,
that she's she's trying to lay some boundaries,

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but you think it's got ulterior motives. It's not even laying boundaries,

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it's just I'm going to put up
that wall of I'm not going to go

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deep. But I know that you're
going deep, and I know that it's

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a big deal for you, but
I just want to get I just want

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to get fucked. Yeah, but
isn't like like her saying that, isn't

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that sort of enough to have Laurel
be able to make her own decision?

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It should be, But being that
they were in like a year and a

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half relationship, no, it's not. So you think Nicole needs to be

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the one that's just not Nicole needs
to not she again, we'll discuss this

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in the next episode, because this
really comes out in the next one.

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And you know, Nichole's leading her
on. Nicole knows what she's doing,

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Nicole knows that she needs to shut
this down, and Laurel doesn't. And

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I watched Nicole on I think it
was a true life episode that they did

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during COVID. It was following Nicole
and girlfriends girlfriend who was apparently from a

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real world or road rules or something. I didn't know who she was,

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but and Nicole is the fucking worst. Even watching her, I'll say it

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wasn't a competition thing. It literally
was just we're following people during COVID to

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see how they're coping, and Nicole
is an e MT and stuff treat to

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their girlfrien and like shit, when
her girlfriend is like zooming with her family,

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She's getting into arguments with her girlfriend's
family over zoom and it's just like

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a fucking horrible So I'm basing it
more on stuff I've seen of her outside

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of this Nicole Laurel relationship, and
she's a fucking terrible person. Yeah,

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yeah, I agree with We'll feel
this. It's definitely more on Nicole for

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this one. Laurel stupid for wanting
to get back together with the Laurels.

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There. As we said, we'll
get into that next episode. Anyone that

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goes on these shows needs therapy,
but yes, Laurel desperately needs much.

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Not Leroy though, we'll get there. But if Laurel has been in therapy,

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she needs to find a new therapist. Anyway, we did get a

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conversation between Derek and Karra or not
Derek and Carr. Why do I write

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Derek that's weird. Between Brandon and
Kara, they talk about how they met

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each other on Fresh Meats and Derek
or Brandon does say something to the effect

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of, you know, you going
in kind of benefits my game. So

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I'm gonna I'm gonna do whatever is
going to benefit my game. Like I'm

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not gonna say yes or knows you
as far as no, I'm not going

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to vote you, and I'm not
going to give you a promise right now,

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like I'm gonna do with benefits my
game? How did it benefit How

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did it benefit his game? Though? He says this, and I agree

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with him. If she goes home, if if a big player goes home,

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he has a better chance of making
it to the final, well winning

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the final two, but he has
a better chance of making it to the

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final if big players go home early. And this is a good but there's

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only one winner this season. Yeah, it doesn't matter if it's a man

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or a woman who goes home.
That's that's why I'm trying to put a

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finer point on it. It's not
that he wants to make it the finally,

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if he wants to win the final, so I just want to win

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the final. But it's it's that
he wants bigger players to go home earlier.

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You can get bigger players out,
the better chance he has of making

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it to the final and winning the
final. Okay, turns out he's wrong

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in this in this instance. But
if that's what he's thinking, I don't

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know. That's not the way that's
not wrong in this episode is just it's

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just the payoff his next episode.
It just seems like if you have a

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strong female on your side, a
strong woman on your side, you should

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want that because a woman could keep
you safe and would want to, and

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a man is going to be gunning
for you. I don't know, I

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would want to keep a strong woman
on my side. Yeah, but it's

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not the women voting the men out
and the men voting the women out.

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No, it's the people that are
doing well in the game are able to

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keep people safe and throw people in
cars. Not even that. It's the

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people who are doing mediocre in the
game. Well, fair enough. I

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don't know that it matters if you're
a strong woman or not. Like,

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if you're doing mediocre in the game, you have a better chance of keeping

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your friends safe. Well, I
mean it turns out Brandon's wrong the next

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episode. So yeah, I don't
think you should have targeted Kara, And

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I don't think if he could do
it again, I don't think you would

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do it again. Yeah. I
think I think he kind of burned a

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bridge there that he didn't need to
burn. Yeah. I think if it

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had, if it had been a
few episodes later, it would been fine.

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But yeah, I agree, I
think it was he burned that bridge

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a little too early. Yes,
towards the end. Yeah, towards the

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end. It's whatever, do whatever
you want. I do understand his reasoning

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for it, Like getting the chance
to throw Kara in against Rachel that is

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epic. Yeah, for a multitude
of reasons. But yeah, So we

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are on the club night. I
noticed they have beers that are privately labeled

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with challenge logos all over them.
I saw too. That was kind of

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cool. Yeah, and we need
something to put up on the wall.

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Yeah, we kind of need if
we can get some of those, but

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they're on eBay. Uh. We
do get a conversation between kind of people

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in the middle group, Tina asks
Jay and Jazz who they're thinking of putting

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in, and Jazz says something to
the effect of Veronica and Rachel. Tina

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is not happy, and then Tina
attempts to politic and we get a confessional

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from Veronica, and Veronica in the
confessional says, Tina sucks at politicking.

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Every time she tries, she drags
herself and anyone she's politicking for down into

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the mud. I could see that, yep, I totally because she doesn't

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politics. She just threatens. And
that's not how you that's not how you

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can You're supposed to do this,
especially when you don't have any real power.

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That's the thing that drives me nuts
about Tina is that she acts like

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she wields a lot of power because
she does have some numbers typically, but

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that's all she that's all she has. Not intimidating or scary at all,

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especially in the last the last few
seasons that she's come on, she hasn't

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really had that many numbers wise.
Yeah, this season, the only reason

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why she had knee backing was because
she had Rachel and Dragon at least.

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Well, let's be real, it's
it's actually gonna help. Yeah, but

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like I mean, it's not.
It's not ten fifteen years ago when she

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actually did have a big group of
people behind her. She's an old player

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now she doesn't have that that big
backing, especially in this season when there

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are a lot of younger players in
it. So it was just it was

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funny. I'm done. I was
done with Tina two seasons ago when she

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quit in the in the elimination against
Melinda. I agree. Back in the

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house, we can really get a
really excellent, like thirty seconds scene of

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Brad just cotton Law snoring in bed. I this is gonna be my this

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is gonna this is gonna be my
quote last week as Brad said, how

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did I miss this? What's going
on? I'm gonna go back and wat

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this episode. Yeah, it was
just a little it was a little like

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it probably wasn't thirty second, It
was probably like three to five seconds,

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but it was just just a little
vignette. I think it was Jay and

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Leroy were standing in the room and
they're just looking at him, like the

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middle they're just like what the fuck, Like late morning, there's light in

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the outside, You're just looking at
him like, God, damn, dude,

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I love Brad. The best case
said, Brad had a boner?

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Oh did he really? All right, I missed that Brad had a boner?

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How did it look? Okay?
Had it look? Was it impressive?

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Oh? That's why that's why they
were laughing. Okay, all right,

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Yeah, totally missed that. Yeah, so it sounds like we both

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have to go back and watch it
him. You're going to try to get

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a glimpse of his boner? Yeah, why not? No reason why not?

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I will too. All Right,
We let's see. We've got a

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conversation where Jazz asks Cam and Laurel
if they are planning on going down into

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the arena to compete for a star. Laurel says it depends on the game,

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and Cam says, either way,
is the middle group going to take

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this chance to get out a really
good player, like if they gonna throw

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it, basically alluding to are they
going to throw in Caara and Rachel because

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it's as she says, it's time
to make a play. Yeah, I

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mean, I guess if you've got
the chance to get either of them out,

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go for it. And Jazz doesn't
really agree one way or the other.

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So then we've got middle team minus
Tina, sitting in a room talking,

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and Jazz starts off saying we should
do Rachel and Kara. Avery says

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Kara, but not Rachel. Jay
says Rachel but not Kara. And Brandon

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Sayscara and Rachel. Even though Kara
is his friend, he will always go

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for the strongest player first. So
fair enough. Yeah, bad call though,

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bad call. Yeah, I'm gonna
I'm gonna argue why I think it

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is a good call. How long? How long has it been since we've

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seen Brandon on this show at least
eight years exactly, and so had he

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just kind of gone stats quo and
been like, Carra's a little lackey,

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that's probably another eight years before we
see him again. I think him making

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the shot, I would not be
surprised to see him back in the next

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season or two. All Right,
I can see it for that point.

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Yeah, I think the only the
only problem that I have with it is

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that I wish Brandon would have been
a little more straightforward with Kara. I

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didn't like how he was sort of
dodging her and like avoiding the question when

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she was asking him, like,
yeah, because where's the Brandon that would

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have just looked at her in the
eye been like, hey, listen,

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it's better for my game. I
hope you understand, Like we can still

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be cool after that, Like that
seemed like the Brandon I know, not

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the you know, unveiled at the
elimination and act shitty that was. That

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was the thing. So Kara is
sitting in a living room while this whole

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conversation has happened, Carl sitting in
a living room, and apparently Ace was

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getting the sixth sense that uh,
Carl was going to be quote unquote stabbed

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in the back by her friends.
And so Carr goes, well, fuck

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it, I'm just gonna go ask
him, walks into the room with Brandon

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and Jay and asks them straight up
like you know. Ace is kind of

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feeling like like it's gonna be me
and Rachel, like, I mean,

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do you guys have a decision.
And that's when Brandon is kind of beating

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around the bush like we haven't talked
about it yet, we don't really know

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we're about to go into deliberation.
Yeah, and he knew that at this

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point, right, he was just
trying, yeah to say it because four

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of the five people had already talked. Yeah, so then we've got nominations,

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nominations, and it's it goes real
fast. Tina says that she's not

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gonna go first. She wants to
be the last person to put name her

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vote an so Brandon says Rachel,
Yeah, Jess was not not cool with

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that. Avery says Veronica and Carla
Kara, Jay says Rachel and Flora.

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Jess says Rachel and Kara, and
Tina sits here and goes fuck it like

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it's gonna be them anyway. All
right, fuck it, Rachel and Cara.

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What do you guys think about this? I think if the numbers are

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what they are, you shouldn't You
shouldn't disrupt things. I know people disagree,

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but I don't blame Tina for doing
this. It wouldn't have changed anything,

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so fucking I agree. I agree
with what Tina did. I think

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it just makes uh Flora mad at
her if she goes the other way.

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Yeah. Yeah. I also think, you know, we're talking earlier about

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how Tina's bad at politics. I
think this is the perfect time that you

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want to go first, because people
are always happy to just jump on,

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like a train that has momentum.
So if she'd gone at first and thrown

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the votes in our direction, maybe
someone just is like, all right,

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I'll go with your majority. Then
yeah, I agree with both you and

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Tim. It would have been a
good like she could have at least tried

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to skew it in a different direction. Not that it was gonna happen because

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you have three people who automatically said
or two people who had automatically said Rachel

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and Kara, and then the other
two voted one of either, but you

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did have the chance. But yeah, the only person that it seemed to

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like irk was Rachel, and Rachel's
played this game so many times and she's

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been a strong player in this game
with a decent social game, Like she

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should know that if it gets to
that point, why would you burn bridges

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with someone else when you can just
say those two names and be done with

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it, even though they know that
you're not actually gunning for them. I

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just I found it weird that Rachel
was so up in arms about it.

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Same I fought I did not like
her reaction, like she should have.

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Yeah, she should have known,
like, hey, you protected yourself.

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There's nothing you could have done to
save your You know, save me at

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that point. Yeah, you would
have just been putting a target on your

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back from someone else if you had
said someone else's name. So I just

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I found it strange that that Rachel, of all people were I wonder if

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she's just like if it's like an
era from when she played where it was

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you know, back then you never
said your friends's name. It was like

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a real mark of friendship. Maybe
she takes it like personally offensive or something,

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but I mean the game has evolved. Yeah, no, I agree,

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she shouldn't be offended. Yeah,
teena the right thing. Yep.

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So Jazz puts the names up right, Jazz right, whoever someone puts the

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name, that name's up. Huh, somebody doesn't matter. Yeah, And

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then Kara calls out Jazz like what
the hell I had your back? I

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really went to bat for you,
And Jazz is like, I don't.

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It's a game, like I had
the chance to put you in, I'm

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gonna put you in. And she
has a confessional saying that she wishes she

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could find a pacifier for Carra.
This is the car I don't like this

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entitled like and shit too, like, how dare you throw me in?

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I'm unthrow inable like Cam does that
same thing. This is why we got

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brat, why Cam has been called
a brat, because any of them,

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when they start getting this entitled ship, it's like, it's a fucking game,

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guys. This is the point yep, Car, It's always. It's

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always when they do something, it's
like, look, you're playing this game

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too personal. It's just a game. Move. Then when it happens to

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them, it's like, how dare
you all fairships? Yeah? It drives

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me nuts, yep. And I've
loved Car this season. It's nice to

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see the old car back. But
man, it would have been nice for

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her to just be like, ah, jay As, I get it,

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and now you know I have to
come for you in return and you know

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I don't know, yeah, and
just like laugh it off. Yeah,

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just yeah, it's it's Jasmine,
Like it's not She's not a threat.

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I mean she I did give it
to Kara, and that she did stand

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up. She and Rachel both stood
up and like high five each other and

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said let's fucking do it, like
we got this, this will be a

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great show. Whatever. But it
was still like, girl, why are

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you acting so entitled? Yeah?
I don't like that. It was I

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don't know, and I was not
thrilled with how Kara active in that.

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Uh so then we're onto elimination.
Oh wrong one. Okay, I hated

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this elimination, so I had to
fill the space in with something. Uh

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yeah, for two powerhouse girls women. Excuse me, we're two powerhouse women.

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To put them in a game where
they're throwing throwing stars at a board,

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exactly what are thinking? Why would
they not just give them a pole

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like you can make it poll wrestle
with these two? Like, what do

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they do? I don't know.
It's so frustrating. It kind of feels

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like last season where we had all
these big hitters come in and then they

407
00:30:12,319 --> 00:30:17,440
gave them all puzzles. It was
not brilled. Yeah, that's yeah,

408
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:22,759
it's darks essentially. Yeah. I
feel like the theme for me lately,

409
00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:30,160
especially this season and last season,
is the eliminations are super lame anymore.

410
00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:34,240
Yeah, and we've also seen tjs
We've seen TJJA a couple of times this

411
00:30:34,319 --> 00:30:38,359
season that it was designed so anyone
could win. So I think they're trying

412
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:44,599
to find finals and challenges and eliminations
that are not just the biggest, strongest

413
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:49,000
fastest win and I get that,
but I feel like they also need to

414
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:52,640
have like one or two games ready, So like, if you get to

415
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:56,799
powerhouse people, maybe throw them in
something a little bit more physical that like

416
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,960
either one could win in that.
And if you've got a powerhouse versus like

417
00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:06,759
Jazz, then do this game.
Yeah, I agree. I feel like

418
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:10,119
that you can you can find a
way to even out the playing field but

419
00:31:10,319 --> 00:31:15,000
not make it boring. And I
know we see some of the best eliminations

420
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:18,680
do not require a big setup or
anything like the poll wrestle is literally just

421
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,359
a broomstick, Like just give them
a stick and that's all, you know

422
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:26,039
what I mean. It's not these
extensive set pieces like we've seen, or

423
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:33,519
even stuff like stuff that requires more
like endurance, like seeing Rachel versus Card

424
00:31:33,559 --> 00:31:41,960
an endurance contest would be great,
yes war yeah yeah, or the one

425
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:48,960
where they're both attached to like rubber
bands and yeah, love any of those

426
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,960
sorts of things. It doesn't have
to be a haul browl. It doesn't

427
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,640
have to be a real physical thing. It could be the endurance that would

428
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:57,519
have been fun. So and I
think I'm always the one that defends production

429
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:00,160
the most here, but like,
I think what you guys are saying legal

430
00:32:00,279 --> 00:32:04,160
is they have to have those challenges
as far as I know, like those

431
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,200
elmations determined before they know what's going
in, because otherwise we have paths is

432
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,799
going and they like, we want
to rig it for this person. Let's

433
00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:15,519
get them this that they're good at. You've said, you've brought that up

434
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,720
before, Zach I challenge. I'm
not sure that that's a I'm not sure

435
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,079
you're right. I don't think that
they have to do it so that they

436
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,039
keep it fair. I think they
have to do it just so that liability

437
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:27,039
wise, they don't have multiple different
things and they're changing things at HOC.

438
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:30,599
I think that's more of the reason, but I don't know. It's still

439
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:35,880
annoying. Uh So. The game
is called Star Slice. There is a

440
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:42,559
giant board with a bunch of pictures
of stars and pictures of Rachel and Kara

441
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,559
and random star random squares that say
things like stand on one foot or take

442
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:54,359
five step five feet forward or whatever, and it's all dumb yeah yeah,

443
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,799
throwing stars things, and they have
the ladies have to throw the stars at

444
00:33:00,839 --> 00:33:06,640
it. They have to hit each
other's pictures three times if they hit their

445
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:12,000
own. That's a point for the
opposite player. Yeah, it's this isn't

446
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,279
even worth the amount of time the
week, No car wins, Rachel goes

447
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:19,400
home. Yeah, it's embarrassing.
Rechil goes home. They spend the first

448
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,039
like ten throws basically chucking it over
to the side or to the ground.

449
00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:25,680
How do you feel about this?
This being the way your gender is represented,

450
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:29,680
Carlin? Are you okay with this? I think this would have been

451
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,519
how the guys were represented a too. I mean, in all honesty,

452
00:33:31,559 --> 00:33:36,240
I think it would have been fucking
awful either way, maybe like a Josh

453
00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:37,880
And in all reality, I wouldn't
be surprised if we see the guys play

454
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:44,200
this game at a later date,
because they reuse these things. Yeah,

455
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:50,759
it was alimation. It's awful.
So yeah, Cara wins, Rachel leaves.

456
00:33:51,599 --> 00:33:55,079
Kara nicknames herself Stara Maria, which
I kind of liked. I kind

457
00:33:55,079 --> 00:33:59,640
of like that too, me too. And so since she already has a

458
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,359
star, she doesn't need to take
Rachel Starr for herself, so she takes

459
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,760
Rachel Starr and she kind of looks
the whole line up and hm, who

460
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,639
should I give this to? And
ultimately ends up giving it to Jasmine to

461
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:14,920
put a target on her back.
Smart, right, I think, so,

462
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:16,280
yeah, that's what I thought.
I think it's a smart move.

463
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:22,119
Cam has the last confessional of the
entire episode, and she says Kara was

464
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:27,639
not playing it, was not playing
start smart. She should have played it

465
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,559
where she gave it to another strong
player because she wasn't being strategic at all.

466
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:36,480
I think, Cam, No,
that's just you wanting to get a

467
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:40,000
star for free. Kara absolutely played
it smart, like this is an easy

468
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,280
star for anyone to go after.
Now, there is no downside to giving

469
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:49,480
it to Jasmine. No, somebody
else will think she's an easy target to

470
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,800
take it from because even if they
go down to compete against Jasmine, they

471
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:58,360
will more than likely beat her in
just about anything. Yea. And if

472
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,840
if that's not even an option and
they compete and they steal the star from

473
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:07,079
Jasmine, Jasmine has zero power to
getting a retaliation, zero recording. And

474
00:35:07,159 --> 00:35:09,920
on top of that, if they
go down against someone else and the stars

475
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,039
that are available are Jazz or Kara, there is a ninety nine point chance

476
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:20,840
they're gonna take it from Jazz.
Right now, if we were like two

477
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:24,280
episodes. If we were two episodes
away from the final I would say,

478
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,039
take Car's star. Yeah, but
we're not there. Handtake who you go

479
00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:32,840
against at the end yeaheah, but
we're not there yet. There's still so

480
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,239
much time if people can steal the
stars, yes, so really quickly before

481
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:42,519
we move on to episode five,
Uh, Zachi Bananas, do you have

482
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:47,440
a quick breakdown of what the host
game was at the end of last episode?

483
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:55,760
I do one second, pull that
up, So okay, here we

484
00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:06,199
get episode four. At the end
of episode four, Uh in last place,

485
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,079
but moving up was Wolfy with twenty
three points, and third place with

486
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:17,480
twenty four points was Big Uncle Sweet
Teeth. By one, you're about one

487
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:23,639
point above Tim at twenty five was
Carlin San Diego and then UH at forty

488
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:30,639
three points. Is Zachy Bananas rigged? Rigged? Yes? I would like

489
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:42,320
an uh separate judging system to come
in and yeahs so so like for example,

490
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,159
last week, you know, you
get four points if you have a

491
00:36:45,199 --> 00:36:47,559
player in the winning team dead five
winners. I had three of the five

492
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:52,840
on my teams. I got twelve
points to that. I just want to

493
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:59,000
point out on the on the online
website one that we still set up anyway,

494
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,119
I was coming in first, so
I called Shenanigans all things judging,

495
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,840
Yes, I was coming first.
I called Shenanigans because you had dramatic players.

496
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:15,079
I had good players. Yeah,
I don't remember. I believe part

497
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:16,719
of the game, right, Social
things all part of the game. That's

498
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:22,880
what people like to say. Yeah, I believe last episode we Stove was

499
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,559
still winning. But I can't.
I can't find that. I can't see

500
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:30,239
it now. Wait no, yeah, Stove was still winning after last week.

501
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:36,679
All right, so week four?
Ummmm, oh no, this isn't

502
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,239
total points. This is just for
last week. Never mind. I think

503
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,079
I'm out of the running for the
host one. By the way, I

504
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:45,039
think i'm I don't think there's any
possible way I can catch up because all

505
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:47,199
my people are gone. Now I've
only got two players left in the game.

506
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,639
Yeah number one. Look at you, wolf Yeah, look at that

507
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:57,840
Wolfe. Yeah. So last last
week, you you still had three people

508
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,480
last week, Yeah, I'm done
to two. Yeah, this week you

509
00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:06,039
now only have Brad and Kavla.
All right, Cafla and Brad left.

510
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:09,000
Yeah, but what if they get
if they get one in two, like

511
00:38:09,079 --> 00:38:13,800
you could get over twenty points for
that. I come in front and we'll

512
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,480
see I just everybody else has so
many more players than me. How am

513
00:38:17,519 --> 00:38:22,079
I supposed to come back now?
As far as is now the only one

514
00:38:22,119 --> 00:38:25,000
with all six players still in the
in the game. That is true.

515
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:30,320
So episode five, all right,
Yes, episode five, So we're starting

516
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:37,639
back at the house. They're coming
back in from cars. When Jasmine says

517
00:38:37,679 --> 00:38:39,639
that she's thankful for the stars,
she at this point still thinks it's a

518
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:45,079
good thing to have the star and
she and Brandon sit down on the couch

519
00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,840
and kind of talk to each other, validate, or as I would call

520
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:52,559
it, masturbate about why throwing car
Maria and was indeed the right thing to

521
00:38:52,639 --> 00:38:58,079
do. I don't know, trying
to convince each other of that, but

522
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:07,400
I wonder if the doubt is already
in their brains again, So it's the

523
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,400
right move if she had gone home, Yeah, but she didn't. Yeah,

524
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,760
that's the that's the bet you make. Yeah. We get scenes of

525
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:23,840
LeRoy's styling Adam's hair flashback to him. Yes, has been there, that's

526
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,039
right. I did not talk about
it as weirdly as Adam talked about it,

527
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:32,320
though, did you guys catch this
he's talking about cutting hair is like

528
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,679
a, yeah, he likes to
sit up here and then for no reason.

529
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:42,119
Sorry, it's just an example.
No, no, no, it's

530
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:44,719
just just more examples of why I
hate Adam. I just don't like.

531
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,440
Everything about him seems insincere to me. I don't like him. I don't

532
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:51,760
like how he talked about this haircut. I don't know he grives mean nuts.

533
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:57,599
Anybody else had these thoughts about about
Adam that I have. I don't

534
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:00,679
really care about him one way or
the other. I think on this panel,

535
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:06,840
I'm the one that likes Adam and
loves Steve. Yeah, Steve is

536
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,519
just fucking creepy to me. Me
too. I kind of get Adam's point,

537
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:15,119
though, I know, Tim,
you don't really care. But it

538
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:23,559
is interesting to see people who are
sort of doing their thing. Like,

539
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:29,679
you know, we're not here,
we're not barbers but seeing Leroy, who

540
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:35,079
owns his own barbershop down stuff and
that's seeing him do his thing is like

541
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,559
probably interesting and motivating, like especially
if they were talking about it while it

542
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:43,800
was happening. Yeah, and I
couldn't remember the context in which you were

543
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:45,559
talking about him. Uh yeah,
Like where he's talking about how he was,

544
00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:49,400
you know, given the story,
and then also kind of yeah,

545
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,519
I you know, I didn't actually
mind how he was talking about that,

546
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:54,559
because I feel like a lot of
a lot of hairstylists, when you're sitting

547
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:59,599
there in a chair, especially if
there's someone that you know, like you're

548
00:40:59,639 --> 00:41:01,800
having an actual conversation with them,
a lot of times they're telling you about

549
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,960
their day, they're telling you about
their lives, you're telling them about yours.

550
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:09,559
Like I didn't actually mind it.
Yeah, I don't know. I

551
00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:14,079
also just don't have any real feelings
one way or the other about Adam at

552
00:41:14,079 --> 00:41:15,440
this point in time. I just
hate Adam. I'm looking for reasons to

553
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:21,280
hate him. But I remember the
apprecio you guys were talking about Drupal and

554
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,960
all that shit. Yeah that's how
Tim feels, I guess is how I

555
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:31,239
felt, fair enough. Uh.
But this this is also where Leroy talks

556
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:37,639
about being a father and how important
that is to him, and loved it.

557
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:45,360
Loved my boy Leroy. He talked
about men experienced PPD two, which

558
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,239
I thought was very interesting. I
did not even ever think about Yeah,

559
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,199
I never in a million years would
have thought that, Like it makes sense

560
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,440
it's Yeah, it's less like hormonal
than the woman's obviously, but some of

561
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,760
the struggles were the same, like
lack of sleep and just huge life upheaval

562
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:07,800
and you know, yeah it's different. Yeah, but then Camp comes in

563
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:12,000
and she talks about how proud she's
of Leroy and that men hide their feelings,

564
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:15,320
they don't like to talk about things
and be expressive and all that ship.

565
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,199
But Leroy is learning how to do
that. He's in therapy, he's

566
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:25,440
doing all the fun stuff. They
yeahsation, he was va. Yeah,

567
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,639
he was very clear about the fact
that he was in therapy and that he

568
00:42:28,679 --> 00:42:30,280
was trying to better himself. That
he didn't want to be an absentee father,

569
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:34,159
and they didn't want to have He
didn't want his kids to have the

570
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:37,840
same experience with the father that he
had. Yeah, the same, the

571
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:43,119
same like insincerity that I see see
from Adam, I see like super sincerity

572
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:45,880
from Leroy. Everything that guy says
is like he believes it, he feels

573
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,880
it. Like Leroy has always been
that way. Yeah, Yes, I've

574
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,639
always felt that way about him,
Like he's always been very very sincere in

575
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:59,760
what he's saying. Yes, he's
a very authentic person. A good job,

576
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:01,400
right, at least half of us
in here. I've been in therapy,

577
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:09,920
so we always support. We get
Laurel and Nicole wrestling on the carpet.

578
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:15,320
I had major flashbacks of cutthroat to
her doing this to Paula, and

579
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:22,159
anybody else have these flashbacks, no, doing this to Kara, la Paula,

580
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,440
Laurel. Laurel and Paula did like
a big wrestling thing, and then

581
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:30,199
Laurel ended up ripping Paula's clothes.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I

582
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:32,920
think we want to go back and
watch it now. You see maybe some

583
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:37,239
some you know, I don't know, it's weird seeing it again. Maybe

584
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:39,719
maybe Laura was kind of into Paula
too, about not comfortable expressing that at

585
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:44,480
the time, and now she is
into Laurel. I could see it.

586
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:46,880
I'm sorry, Laurel. I could
see Laurel being the type that wrestles the

587
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:52,199
girls that she likes a Laurel thing, but this is this whole thing.

588
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:57,960
Was another example of Nicole like needing
to just shut it down rather than like

589
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,079
basically she needed to give a firm
stop, like we need to not do

590
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:07,440
this, rather than like I feel
like you're teching me you're pulling off my

591
00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:13,519
clothes. He Nicole has a choice
phrase that I thought was very interesting.

592
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:16,039
She says that they're on a roller
coaster together, but quote don't know how

593
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:20,000
to get off. If I was
a producer, I would say, like,

594
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,440
let's let's phrase that differently, Nicole. That sounds horrible in context.

595
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:29,000
Yeah, I think that was the
point. Yeah, but Laurrea just can't

596
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,760
resist. She's all up in Nicole's
business. Flora even tries to squash things.

597
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,639
What do you think about seeing Flora
at Flora in this capacity of a

598
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:43,119
I forgot that she was there relationship
mentor too, forgot that she was there.

599
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,159
I thought that she was one hundred
percent correct on everything she was telling

600
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:51,159
Nicole, and I think Nicole knew
that she was one hundred percent correct and

601
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,280
was not super thrilled on being called
out on it. She got defensive a

602
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:59,679
little bit, but sort of accepted
it. Yeah, you're right. Flora

603
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:02,440
like no, no, She's like
something, and she's like, well,

604
00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:06,920
yeah, okay, I see what
you're saying. She accepted it in the

605
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:08,960
same way that a fuck boy accepts
it. Yeah, yes, this is

606
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,639
a this is a Corey. Corey
would have accepted it the same way.

607
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,960
Yeah, yes, yes, like
he would have said, Okay, that's

608
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,440
probably true, and then he would
have still fucked around with them. Yeah.

609
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,800
What I thought was very weird.
During this conversation between Flora and Nicole,

610
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,159
it would cut to scenes of Laurel
in that like bright red bikini,

611
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,559
just like doing shit. But it
was all slow motion and put together very

612
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:32,159
weirdly, and it may be uncomfortable
anybody else, and it made me feel

613
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:38,800
something, but wasn't uncomfortable. I
was like, Damn, Laurel's looking good.

614
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,679
Honestly, Laurel's always had a fucking
bang and body. I don't even

615
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:52,559
like Laurel. She's an attractive woman. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan

616
00:45:52,559 --> 00:45:55,679
of her face, but she's got
a great body. Oh I think if

617
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:01,280
her face is pretty same, I'm
I'm not a fan. Kara is talking

618
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:06,639
to Leroy about Cam and car is
just basically saying like, I don't like

619
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:08,480
how things are between me and Cam, what's going on? And Lero just

620
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:14,159
says, I don't fucking I'm go
talk to her. Uh so where she

621
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:19,519
does? Smart made no no progress. This is the conversation between Kara Cam

622
00:46:20,679 --> 00:46:25,239
progress. Yeah, Brandon comes in
towards the end, I guess let's rehash

623
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,920
this again. Guys, who's right, Who's wrong? Kara, Cam,

624
00:46:29,679 --> 00:46:31,519
Brandon's in on this, what's going
on? Honestly, this is this is

625
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:37,280
where Kara started acting more entitled than
she needed to be. And yeah,

626
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,280
it made me kind of backtrack a
bit on being super excited about Kara.

627
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:49,360
They both were acting entitled and it's
just ridiculous. I'm Kim Kara and all

628
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,960
of this dittoh Zach, all right, I'm glad me and you, and

629
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:58,679
like, I think you know Cam, you know Cam, the votes were

630
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:00,559
already there, Like Cam got what
she wanted. It's kind of the same

631
00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:05,880
thing we said with the Tina this
past episode of like if the vote's already

632
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:09,239
like determined and you can't change it, just throw your vote away. And

633
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,960
then with Brandon, like at first
time, I'm Brandon side, I was

634
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,199
like, that's kind of messed up
that she wouldn't reach out for all those

635
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,239
years. But I thought about,
like I have friends from high school that

636
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:21,239
I see once every ten years,
but like when we get back together,

637
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:22,599
it's like, hey, we're back
to how we were, you know,

638
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:27,400
senior year of high school. Like
we're tight again, Like I'm not gonna

639
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:35,119
screw you, but they're not high
school friends. No, they're freshman friends.

640
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:42,039
Same thing exactly. No, it's
not. Yeah, I know,

641
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:45,760
I agree. I think that you
can not see somebody for ten years and

642
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:51,159
still consider that person a friend.
I agree. But high school friends,

643
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,639
yes, I don't think that's the
same for Challenge friends because these people,

644
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:58,480
Like one, these people a lot
of times, are a lot less time

645
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:02,599
spent together. But two, if
you are part of the Challenge family,

646
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,519
there are so many people who are
in this family that if you want to

647
00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:09,159
keep in touch with them, it's
really easy. Yeah, it's really easy

648
00:48:09,199 --> 00:48:14,679
in this group. But also like
is they go ahead? No, go

649
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,320
for it? Oh, I was
gonna say, Like and if there had

650
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:20,239
been one of those things where like
fresh meat to enter they're lasting together and

651
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:23,280
they went and like never spoke again, I'd be a little bit more understanding.

652
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:28,599
But like I have photos of me
in Vegas with Kara and Brandon together

653
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:31,400
where Kara like traveled to Vegas to
hang out with Brandon, So like there

654
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:36,079
was that foundation just you know,
off the show years ago. This was

655
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:38,400
back in like twenty twelve, so
like twelve years ago. But there was

656
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:44,960
some history like of them hanging out
outside the show, sure, which I

657
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:50,039
understand. But I feel like a
high school relationship is a lot more of

658
00:48:50,159 --> 00:48:55,760
less strong foundation of someone that you
see every day for at least nine months

659
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,440
out of the year and you grow
up together and you experience a lot of

660
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:06,519
the same things. When you meet
someone on a show and then you filmed

661
00:49:06,599 --> 00:49:09,280
for like three months and then you
all fly off. Even if you do

662
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:15,719
meet up throughout the year or whatever, that closest is not gonna be the

663
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,280
same. It is not even remotely
close. No, But I don't think

664
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,320
it's I don't think it's unreasonable also
to think, well, I know Brandon

665
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,679
from eight years ago, and yeah, we're not super super close, but

666
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:29,119
this other person is a stranger who
he doesn't know at all, so of

667
00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:31,239
course he's gonna sort of be on
my side. Like that seems like a

668
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:37,079
reasonable Yeah, it's a reasonable assumption, does it? Does it seem reasonable?

669
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,480
I think so? Yeah, yes, because that is what Cam told

670
00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:44,039
Kara if you have my back because
we are friends, and Cara is like,

671
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:46,760
now I'm gonna I'm gonna side with
Rachel. And then when Cam got

672
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:51,599
upset, you guys were like,
well, she should just get over it.

673
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:59,519
But I feel like influenced the vote
and and and voted that way and

674
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:07,000
made vote that way versus Car who
had no impact. Mm hmm, I

675
00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:09,840
disagree. I think Rachel and Carr
were going in no matter what with his

676
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,760
voter without his vote, So I
feel maybe the same situation maybe, But

677
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:19,639
then I mean, I guess I
what I would like Brandon to say is

678
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,760
like, hey, I threw you
in as a game move. If you

679
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,000
don't like it, Like, I'm
sorry that you don't like it. I

680
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,360
don't like that. He he just
sort of got got low also with like

681
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,760
we haven't talked in eight years.
You didn't come from me in my divorce.

682
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,239
You didn't blah blah blah blah blah. It's like all right, man,

683
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:37,599
Like, yeah, I don't think
that. In this conversation, I

684
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:42,920
felt like his his nonsee where his
like Peanut Gallery ship didn't need to happen.

685
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,199
He didn't need to say any of
that would need to be there for

686
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,039
those It was okay for Car to
have hurt feelings about this, right,

687
00:50:47,079 --> 00:50:52,119
Like Carl was a little hurt,
That's okay, that's like an appropriate reaction.

688
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:57,039
No, no. As we've said
before, when people say, hey,

689
00:50:57,079 --> 00:51:00,840
it's just a game move, it's
not personal, and then I didn't

690
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,719
say that, and in fact,
he got more personal with you didn't and

691
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,639
stuff he got last episode. Last
episode, he's like, I'm not gonna

692
00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:13,800
lie. I said your name,
and she freaked out, started crying,

693
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:21,199
ran off, And now when she's
confronting him with why would you do that?

694
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,000
We were best friends, we were
so good friends, and so he

695
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:28,639
has to justify, Okay, it
was just a game move, but if

696
00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:31,159
you want to get personal about it, this is maybe some of the reasons

697
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:36,239
why maybe our friendship isn't as strong
as you seem to think it is.

698
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:39,199
Okay, this is a petty version
of Brandon. I'm not used to that.

699
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:43,880
I'm not used to petty. It's
also a petty version of petty version

700
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:52,840
of which I hate awful. So
I'm gonna push back on lof some.

701
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:55,000
So I have the votes from last
week pulled up, and we know that

702
00:51:55,519 --> 00:52:00,440
Tina voted last. Going into Tina'sville, Let's say Brandon den vote for her

703
00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:06,639
in like for car Maen, like
Rachel and Flora. Instead, Flora and

704
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,280
Carl Maria would be tied with two
votes each, Tina would get to decide.

705
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,880
Do we think Tina's going to choose
to send Kara in against Rachel or

706
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,559
Flora? Just get some Flora because
that's the easier thing. So technically Brandon

707
00:52:16,599 --> 00:52:23,800
could have saved Cara. Yeah,
but we also don't know if the nominations

708
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:27,519
the week before or the what was
it two weeks before, whatever it was

709
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:35,119
when Kara voted Cam or didn't vote
Cam's way, we didn't know that if

710
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:37,599
that was actually going to influence the
votes or not. Then we don't know

711
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:39,960
if they if that was actually the
order that they voted in. So it's

712
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,760
just I mean, I think it's
been concerned now that Kara did vote last,

713
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,000
and she knew it wouldn't everybody knew
that it wouldn't impact anything. And

714
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:54,239
yes, okay, but what were
the votes after Brandon voted? Brandon voted

715
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,960
first? Any Yeah, the vote
after Brandon, so it was Brandon was

716
00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:00,639
great, It was first with Rachel
and Kara, then it was Verona and

717
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:09,679
Kara, Rachel and Flora, Rachel
and Kara. Rachel and Kara were the

718
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:15,840
votes. What were the votes before
Tina before they were two for three for

719
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,280
Rachel two for Kara, one for
Veronica, one for Flora. They were,

720
00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:21,639
yeah, no, there's three for
Rachel, three for Kara, one

721
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:27,800
Veronica one Flora. Yeah. Sorry, Yeah. So if we take away

722
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,199
one of those Carra votes, let's
say Brandon votes for Flora instead of Kara,

723
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:34,800
it'd be three for Rachel, two
for Kara, two for Flora.

724
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,679
Tina gets to the side between Flora
and car which one goes against Rachel.

725
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,400
I mean, he was the first
vote, so everybody else it wasn't just

726
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,480
his fault. I think that you're
trying to play this specifically on him and

727
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:52,119
it's not. Well, I don't
think it's specifically on him, But I

728
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:55,360
think that's where the comparison breaks down. Is that Kara knew she would not

729
00:53:55,440 --> 00:54:00,000
influence the vote and so didn't.
And I wonder if she could have influence

730
00:54:00,039 --> 00:54:01,679
to vote, if she would have
made a different decision with Cam. We

731
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,280
don't know. And I think was
Brandon not only Brandon not only had the

732
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,719
opportunity to influence the vote, he
seemed like this the spearhead guy like arranged

733
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:14,760
it and endorsed it and was the
first to say it. It just seems

734
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,280
it seems different. And I don't
like it's a game move. So whatever.

735
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:22,400
But here's the other thing is that
there this conversation is happening with Cam,

736
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:27,920
like Cam and Carr were the original
two in this conversation, and last

737
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,239
week there is a conversation between Nicole
and Cam that I just talked about,

738
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:37,079
where Cam says, are we gonna
are you guys gonna go for big players?

739
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,440
Like where I'm when jed, what
is it? So hold on a

740
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:45,639
second, it's Jazz asks Cam and
Laurel if they're planning on going not Nicole,

741
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,639
Cam and Laurel if they're planning on
going down for the star. Laurel

742
00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:51,760
says it depends on the game,
and Cam says, either way, is

743
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,119
the middle group going to vote in
strong players? So the fact that this

744
00:54:55,199 --> 00:55:00,800
whole thing happened with Cam being pissed
off at Carl already because Cara couldn't influence

745
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:07,559
a vote, but she didn't throw
her towel in on Cam's side. Instead

746
00:55:07,639 --> 00:55:12,760
she went with Rachel Like it's it's
just all of that, there's too many

747
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,400
emotions around something that they all would
have done the exact same thing that they

748
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:20,760
did if they were in each other's
places. Well, I think personally,

749
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,119
I think Cam is looking for a
reason to throw Kara and Laura and any

750
00:55:24,119 --> 00:55:27,639
of these strong women. And Cam's
looking for a reason, and that was

751
00:55:27,679 --> 00:55:30,480
her reason, and it's it's hollow
and it doesn't really make sense, but

752
00:55:30,599 --> 00:55:34,159
I think that's it. She admitted
that though she's like, well now I

753
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,960
want you to go home, right, But she's still putting that on,

754
00:55:37,039 --> 00:55:38,599
like, well, because you didn't
back up my vote, but it's like

755
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,639
you still got what you wanted,
Cam, Like I didn't need to back

756
00:55:42,679 --> 00:55:45,519
it up. You got what you
wanted. Iout the point like they're supposed

757
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:49,760
to be friends and Kara didn't back
her up. Now car is like,

758
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,639
Brad, we were friends, why
didn't you back me up? But I

759
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:55,559
think this is doing the same thing. Well, we won't. We can't

760
00:55:55,559 --> 00:55:59,960
rewrite history because we don't know because
if it would have made a difference,

761
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,639
we don't know what Kara would have
done. Here's my thoughts that were voted

762
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:06,679
that when she when she didn't have
any power, couldn't make a difference.

763
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:10,159
I mean, so wolf Zone is
gonna get this. I think Cam knew

764
00:56:10,199 --> 00:56:14,320
she had the votes without Kara.
Basically, though Carra is known as like

765
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,960
the female face of the show,
and Cam wanted Kara to be like the

766
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:22,320
Rock and acknowledge her and say,
you are now the tribal chief, you

767
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,079
are the queen of the show,
and I am your minion, and Cars

768
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:29,280
like, yeah, I'm not.
I'm not proclaiming you as the new queen

769
00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:37,159
whatever. So we could move on
from we just move on, Team car

770
00:56:37,199 --> 00:56:40,920
Marian, that's right, Okay.
So basically they were all acting like brats

771
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:45,079
and annoyed the funk out of me. Yeah, I agree. Uh.

772
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:50,119
In the end, they accomplished nothing
with this conversation, probably made it worse,

773
00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:53,880
and we accomplished exactly. And hey, with that, we're onto the

774
00:56:53,960 --> 00:57:02,719
challenge and it's another throw back a
challenge. This one's called Bobblehead bob Sled.

775
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:07,679
We saw this one in the duel
too. Uh. They put a

776
00:57:07,679 --> 00:57:08,880
thing on their heads. I don't
know. This one gets weird because TJ

777
00:57:09,039 --> 00:57:12,800
races through the thing and then there's
water dumping out and I don't know,

778
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:14,480
you guys will see it. I
don't need to go over their rules.

779
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:20,360
Have we ever seen TJ participate in
a challenge before? No, not like

780
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,280
this, not like this. This
is cool seeing him go down the thing

781
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:27,079
fun. TJ probably saw that and
Captain it was just like, how do

782
00:57:27,159 --> 00:57:30,800
I get to do this multiple timesire
a helmet? I totally get to do

783
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,440
this. And for anyone who doesn't
know, it was one of those big

784
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,800
mountain slides where you're sitting on a
little bob sled thing that you get to

785
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:40,880
control the break. Because we are
a recap podcast him and not everybody has

786
00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:45,119
seen the episode. A lot of
people know a lot of people. I

787
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:47,199
have done this before where you don't
actually watch the episode, you just listen

788
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:50,679
to the recap podcast. I'm gonna
assume they've watched the duel too, and

789
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:58,239
remember the it's a good one.
I had no idea what this challenge was.

790
00:58:00,239 --> 00:58:01,760
I assume the dual Toobe. I
probably can't tell you a single challenge

791
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:07,199
from that shop on top of my
safe. I guess I have seen that

792
00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:13,199
season, but I don't remember this
at all. Remember remember scring bobble Heads.

793
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:19,000
There are ivy bags hanging from some
ropes across the track. On their

794
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,599
way down, they have to grab
the iv bags as they're going down.

795
00:58:22,639 --> 00:58:24,599
The more iv bags they grab,
the more water they have to put into

796
00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:27,719
their cylinder. At the end of
the game. At the end of the

797
00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:31,000
track that is currently being it currently
is filled with water, but as soon

798
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,719
as TJ gets down there, he
opens a little valve and it starts letting

799
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:38,079
the water out. Yeah. Uh. I really like it when the players

800
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:40,519
they talk about their strategy, and
I like it when they just use that

801
00:58:40,599 --> 00:58:45,760
to talk about the rules of the
game. So brad strategy is, We're

802
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:47,960
gonna go as fast as we can. We're gonna get whatever water we can,

803
00:58:49,039 --> 00:58:51,280
we're gonna fill it up as much
as much as possible, and we're

804
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:55,320
gonna try to do it faster.
It's like, uh, yes, that's

805
00:58:55,679 --> 00:59:01,119
point of the game. Thank you. The winner of the It's like,

806
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:06,639
uh yeah. And Brad says he's
got a He's done this before. He

807
00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:07,280
did this on the duel too,
so he's like, I got a leg

808
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:12,000
up on this one. I'm gonna
be fine, which is crazy because like,

809
00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:15,000
how do you possibly play this game
one time seventeen years ago and think

810
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:16,960
to yourself, Oh, fuck it, I got this, Guys, I

811
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:22,320
got this. Don't even worry about
Brady. I love this Brad, love

812
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:30,000
this guy. But a total disaster
on this on this competition. He's just

813
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:34,400
flying down that mountain. Oh and
knocking them all off and shit, just

814
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:39,280
like just yeah, Nicole screaming at
him from two people back. And I

815
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:45,360
swear this had to be the outside
of the barfing, which it absolutely hits

816
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:47,400
me. This this had to be
the hardest I've ever laughed. And the

817
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,719
challenge it was pretty good. Fuck
this up over and over again. I

818
00:59:52,719 --> 00:59:54,480
would have done it also though,
people. I remember the first time I

819
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,360
saw someone like stop or slid the
Paul down, I was like, oh,

820
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,440
you can do that. That's thought. You had to do the bratta.

821
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:05,239
We just had to keep going,
grab him on the move. Yeah.

822
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,320
No, the stopping seemed like the
smarter, the smartest strategy. It

823
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:10,960
did. You would you would think
that after the after the first one,

824
01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,960
when you're just flying down and they
all go flying in different directions, but

825
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:22,039
maybe you'd either one slow down or
two like duck and try to not hit

826
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:24,800
the next few because you're going too
fast and just hope that your teammates get

827
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,960
them. Yeah, regroup change strategies
after the after the first two go poorly.

828
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,159
But instead it was just he fucked
up every conceivable way. His big

829
01:00:34,159 --> 01:00:37,920
bobblehead was knocking them off. He
was grabbing them and they were flying everywhere.

830
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,440
It was just a mess. It
was wonderful. Oh man, it

831
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:45,280
was hysterical to watch. Oh god, it was great. I love seeing

832
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:50,480
Cole just screaming at him, knowing
that he cannot hear a fucking word.

833
01:00:50,599 --> 01:00:52,599
She saying, well, so speaking
of the scream, So at this point,

834
01:00:52,639 --> 01:00:55,360
the it's over right, they're done, they've dumped in the water,

835
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,400
They've they've done as well as they
can do. And uh, Nicole is

836
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,719
still a fuck and going nuts on
Brad. At what point? At what

837
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:06,960
point is it is? Like is
it too much? I mean, at

838
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,159
that point in time, there was
no point in yelling at him anymore because

839
01:01:08,239 --> 01:01:10,679
it was too late, Like you
couldn't do shit. And he was very

840
01:01:10,679 --> 01:01:13,639
apologetic. He was just like,
I know, I fucked it up.

841
01:01:13,679 --> 01:01:22,239
Sorry, guys, I know.
Yeah, yeah, Leroy got pissed.

842
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:23,960
But we're not used to seeing Leroy
being pissed. That was new. That

843
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:29,239
happens only ever once in a while, yeah, very few and far between.

844
01:01:29,679 --> 01:01:32,599
I felt bad for Brad, I
really did. You could tell he

845
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:37,880
this like hit him and impacted him. Yeah, I mean, he did

846
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:45,960
fuck up pretty hardcore he did.
And yet just a very hilarious way all

847
01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:47,039
right, So from then on out, I don't know. I don't have

848
01:01:47,079 --> 01:01:52,760
a lot else to say about this. We see Adam pushing Veronica up the

849
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:54,440
hill. Veronica says that she needs
somebody to sort of help push her,

850
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,119
but she can do more than she
thinks if somebody is there to push her.

851
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:02,239
What think? I agree? I
agree. When ct was yelling at

852
01:02:02,239 --> 01:02:07,480
her that one season, she seemed
way more motivated than she usually does.

853
01:02:10,039 --> 01:02:14,239
Yeah, we'll see. I don't
know. She does not seem final ready

854
01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:15,840
to me, but well, no, no, no, no, no,

855
01:02:16,159 --> 01:02:20,039
she's not gonna do well no,
but running up the hill. She

856
01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:22,400
ran up the hill better than she
would have if Adam wasn't pushing, because

857
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:30,079
Adam was literally pushing. Yeah.
I have a note here about Carra's Boston

858
01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:32,280
accent. Anybody else noticed her Boston
accent? It's gotten thicker and thicker and

859
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:36,000
thicker every tecking episode. Yeah,
I think so too. This it was

860
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,840
super noticeable. I've always been able
to pick little glimpses here and there throughout

861
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,960
all the years, but this is
it seems to she seems to really be

862
01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:45,920
laying it on hard now days.
I agree, it seems obnoxiously thick this

863
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:50,840
episode, which is insane because she
lives in Montana. Yeah, I agree,

864
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,079
you would have thought that that shit
would have like calm down a bit.

865
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:58,559
Yep, because she's been living in
Montana for like, I don't know,

866
01:02:58,639 --> 01:03:01,280
fifteen years, long time. Yeah, she used that as an excuse

867
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:04,480
why she doesn't keep up with Brandon. She says, when she's home,

868
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:09,000
she hermit us hermit, she becomes
a hermit. Yeah, you know,

869
01:03:09,119 --> 01:03:13,199
this whole thing was funny. What
did you guys think of her team strategy

870
01:03:13,199 --> 01:03:15,719
where they had the first person to
go down the hill would get the last

871
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:20,199
bags, the last person would get
the first bags. I thought it was

872
01:03:20,239 --> 01:03:24,079
smart and they stopped kind of stopped
and grabbed all three bags as they were

873
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:29,960
doing it, rather than flying by
them. Yeah. Strategically, I think

874
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:34,119
they had the right idea, go
slow, get every single bag, and

875
01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:37,159
make it up on the on the
filling up side of the challenge. Yeah,

876
01:03:37,199 --> 01:03:43,679
strategically for how we understood the rules. Yeah, get to that in

877
01:03:43,719 --> 01:03:46,719
a second. Well, we're here, uh TJ remind us reminds us at

878
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:51,440
the end, it is not whoever
has the most water, it's whoever has

879
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,840
the most amount of water the fastest. So it is a combination of time

880
01:03:55,280 --> 01:04:00,159
TJ reminded us, and a nice
voiceover recorded after all this was done,

881
01:04:00,599 --> 01:04:05,079
which is why I called bullshit on
this fucking challenge. What do you call

882
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:10,920
the pot it? Because I think
they just decided no, we told him

883
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,400
one thing, like did he explain
it this way when he was explaining everything.

884
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:16,199
I mean, he did say it
at the beginning. It did get

885
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,119
said at the beginning of the game. But I don't know if that one

886
01:04:19,159 --> 01:04:21,400
was a voiceover or not, because
if there was a lot of cutting in

887
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,519
and out from him to other people, so it could have been a voiceover

888
01:04:25,679 --> 01:04:28,719
or him saying it to him.
So I don't know if they saw it

889
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,159
as or they heard it as it
was just the most water. Yeah,

890
01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:36,320
that's the way I understood it when
I was watching it, and I'll give

891
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:41,320
you a pass that I was I
don't know, by looking at my phone

892
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:45,119
or something and maybe wasn't paying super
close attention. But from my understanding,

893
01:04:45,159 --> 01:04:50,119
it was whoever has the most water
wins. The only thing that might disagree

894
01:04:50,119 --> 01:04:54,079
with that is when the last team
was looking at all the heights of water,

895
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,800
they did not immediately say who won. They were more sort of like,

896
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:00,320
oh, that team has more water
than me and this team, you

897
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,079
know what I mean, Like they
were and Cam's team when they when they

898
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,719
filled theirs, they were like,
oh, well, we we're definitely in

899
01:05:04,719 --> 01:05:08,639
the top two. Like look at
that, we're up there, We're definitely

900
01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:11,159
in the top two. Yeah.
So I think they must have known that

901
01:05:11,159 --> 01:05:14,360
time was a factor. Yeah,
I just don't think they realized how much

902
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:15,559
of a factor it was or how
it was going to play into it.

903
01:05:16,119 --> 01:05:20,280
Yeah, because the the Orange team
won, and I don't feel like they

904
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:25,119
focus on the Orange team. We
didn't see them in any real capacity.

905
01:05:25,679 --> 01:05:29,960
Orange team was yes, Cam,
Steve, Tina, Kefla, and Derek

906
01:05:30,039 --> 01:05:35,679
they are the winners. So because
of that, Kefla tells us the only

907
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:45,239
star that is vulnerable as Adams.
So it's during during their run someone said

908
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:48,559
that Derek was a fucking monster at
grabbing those bags, that he had some

909
01:05:48,679 --> 01:05:51,639
serious skill there, so that he
might be it might actually be able to

910
01:05:51,639 --> 01:05:56,079
do pretty well when in future games
as well. If this was any indication,

911
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:00,000
unlike Ryan who lost one in his
shirt forgot about it down there,

912
01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:02,440
I wish they would have told us
what impact that would have had like,

913
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:04,960
would that have pushed them over the
edge to win? You know, it

914
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,719
would have been nice to see it
really would have been, because that seemed

915
01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:14,880
like a major screw up. But
we never We don't know Red is the

916
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,199
middle group. I don't have the
names as to who is Red. It

917
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:24,840
doesn't matter, No, it sure
doesn't. Car isn't it. And right

918
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:30,239
away Brandon's like, ah, fuck, God damn it. And Kara says

919
01:06:30,360 --> 01:06:31,280
right away she's getting back in the
house. She's like, Hey, I'm

920
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:34,840
gunning for Leroy and Brandon. So
it all fucking worked out because they're at

921
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,039
the bottom and I can gun for
both of them at the same time.

922
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:42,400
So yes, this kind of seemed
like another like this is pretty sat in

923
01:06:42,519 --> 01:06:46,159
Stone. The moment that the game
ends, nobody was fighting. I think

924
01:06:46,159 --> 01:06:50,960
everybody knew the middle group just for
everyone knows eighth Adam, Kara, j

925
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:59,559
and Veronica. Okay, yeah that
sounds right. More dad stuff, guys,

926
01:06:59,559 --> 01:07:03,719
who else excited about challenge? Dad
stuff? Yeah? All right,

927
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:09,440
just me Brandon talking to his kids. Uh so cute, my dad.

928
01:07:09,519 --> 01:07:12,760
Adorable. My kids are too old
to talk like that anymore. But it

929
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,119
was adorable, and it reminded me
of olden days. I did love that

930
01:07:15,159 --> 01:07:23,679
he told his closet walk working in
Wakanda. Yeah that was cute doing superhero

931
01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:28,320
ship. Is that what he said? Yeah? Uh yeah, So Brandon,

932
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,960
I like Brandon. I really I
think Brandon and I could be buddies.

933
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,360
You know. He just seems like
a very just like chill dude.

934
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:40,440
I love our kids could play.
It'd be great. We see more Laurel

935
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,440
and Nicole. They're like making out
and ship. Gross Uh. Jay's grossed

936
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:46,719
out of the taking out in bed
no less like in bed at night,

937
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,679
lights off covers over them. I
don't think they were making that. I

938
01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:55,400
mean they were I don't think that's
all they were doing. No, it

939
01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:01,719
wasn't all they were doing. What
else were they doing? Scissoring? Oh

940
01:08:02,519 --> 01:08:12,119
the rainbow. So Nicole has a
very awkward conversation with Laurel and Carl and

941
01:08:12,199 --> 01:08:14,599
I think this is where I'm coming
off, where I'm coming from with this

942
01:08:14,639 --> 01:08:17,680
whole thing. Nicole says basically like, hey, we have a boundary here.

943
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,880
We're not supposed to be doing relationship
stuff here. We can do this

944
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:24,640
outside of the show, but right
now we're here to win this money.

945
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,680
Let's just focus on the money,
let's not talk about us for now.

946
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:32,760
So that was her sort of half
hearted attempt to sort of put this thing

947
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:39,800
out. But that's after how many
episodes of them fucking around, flirting in

948
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:43,119
the same bed, all of these
different things. I'm not saying she did

949
01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:45,479
it on time. I'm just saying, like she did it, yeah.

950
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,359
I mean, here she's trying to
set up a boundary, but we're going

951
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,760
to see how well that boundary actually
goes because we still haven't gotten the scene

952
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,399
of them kissing. So this is
and I guess this is the heart of

953
01:08:54,399 --> 01:08:58,920
my question is if you say that
to a grown fucking woman and then the

954
01:08:59,039 --> 01:09:01,319
grown woman like the don't listening,
just does whatever anyway, aren't you sort

955
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:05,119
of like relieved of all sort of
responsibility. No, it's still supposed to

956
01:09:05,119 --> 01:09:10,600
be your boundary. You were still
supposed to uphold your side of that boundary,

957
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,239
and it's it. I mean,
if and if the previews are any

958
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:18,560
indication of the rest of the season, like there's obviously still going to be

959
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:24,199
flirting, there's still a kiss that
we haven't seen, Like this is Nicole

960
01:09:24,239 --> 01:09:28,560
putting up boundaries but then not holding
her own side of those boundaries. It's

961
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:30,760
more like she's suggesting to Laurel to
put up boundaries, because I don't think

962
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,119
Nicole is as is going to be
get as twisted and been out of shape

963
01:09:34,119 --> 01:09:36,640
as this is as Laurel is.
Right, No, I agree. It

964
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,880
seems like Nicole is saying, like, hey, you better watch out because

965
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,920
this is going to go poorly for
you. And uh, this reminds me,

966
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,560
and Laurel doesn't, Yeah, doesn't
watch out. This reminds me of

967
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,359
Tim's love life, where you know, Tim's out here being like, hey,

968
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:53,479
no relationship, no romance, and
if you know this is just a

969
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:57,319
physical thing only if you're cool,
that sign on board. But if you

970
01:09:57,319 --> 01:10:01,319
catch them, that's not my problem. I kind of that's kind of where

971
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:05,880
my parallel is, like at some
point my responsibility and Nicole stops right of

972
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:10,560
like I've said the thing I've expressed, but you say it in the like

973
01:10:11,119 --> 01:10:14,520
you were setting the boundary of I
don't want more than feeling. I still

974
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,920
want this physical relationship, but I
don't want the feelings that might come with

975
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:23,119
it. Like the feelings part of
it is not a thing. Nicole is

976
01:10:23,159 --> 01:10:28,000
saying, I don't want any of
this. We don't want the feeling side.

977
01:10:28,039 --> 01:10:31,720
We don't want the relationship side,
we don't want the physical side,

978
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,960
and then not upholding her side of
that bargain, You're still upholding your side

979
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,640
of the bargain by saying that you
don't want the feeling side, you just

980
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:45,239
want the physical. Yeah, you
also would are not saying it to somebody

981
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:48,840
you've been in a long term relationship
with the right This is also true relationship

982
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:53,399
that ended badly where neither of you
like had closure from right. Yes,

983
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:57,479
now I think I'm looking at it
with the full like scope and nuance that

984
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,880
maybe Laurel is not looking at it
as because when I hear Nicole say those

985
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:08,319
things, what I hear Nicole say
is like, be careful because like this

986
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:11,239
is not going to go well,
Like this is gonna this is gonna hurt

987
01:11:11,279 --> 01:11:14,039
you. I don't know that I
hear her saying be careful. I think

988
01:11:14,079 --> 01:11:16,199
I hear her. I mean,
I can kind of get that she'd be

989
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:23,560
saying that, but I think I
kind of my example, my example,

990
01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:29,000
Tim would be like if your ex
girlfriend from the recent past suddenly you two

991
01:11:29,039 --> 01:11:31,159
were, like, I don't know, wrestling around on the floor, because

992
01:11:31,159 --> 01:11:36,359
apparently that's why doing weird shit,
and you straight up told her like,

993
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:43,520
look, this isn't going to be
a thing, and then you still did

994
01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:45,880
all this stuff with her. Anyway, would you feel like you had no

995
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:53,680
responsibility in heightening her expectations that you
might get back together. I would have

996
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:59,560
yes, I should not. My
responsibility would be yes, I would have

997
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:01,800
some reson. Yeah. To put
it in real terms, if you went

998
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:05,439
out to a bar and saw your
most recent X at said bar, and

999
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:09,760
you guys were having a friendly conversation, catching up on each other's lives,

1000
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,359
and in said conversation you said this
is all that this is going to be,

1001
01:12:13,399 --> 01:12:15,760
Like, I don't, this isn't
going to go any farther, and

1002
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:18,800
then you guys ended up going home
together and sleeping together and waking up next

1003
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:23,720
to each other the next day.
There's a much higher chance that she's going

1004
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,439
to look at it like, oh, there might actually be some longevity here,

1005
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,920
like this may not be just a
one mite thing, right, So

1006
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,159
yeah, I get it, I
yeah, I get it. And Nichole

1007
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:40,399
should back off. I get it. I get I mean they should vote

1008
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:46,119
back off. No, no is
taken away from Laurel either. But that's

1009
01:12:46,119 --> 01:12:48,079
the thing I don't. I I
just don't want it to be like,

1010
01:12:48,359 --> 01:12:53,399
God, Laurel or Nicole is such
a player and Laurel is I mean,

1011
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,479
Nicole is such a player. Well, I know, but Laurel. I

1012
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,840
don't think Laurel is a victim.
I think Laurel kind of at least should

1013
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,720
know what she's getting herself into,
almost a forty old woman. She should

1014
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:05,920
have some She should be a big, big girl and figure this out.

1015
01:13:06,439 --> 01:13:10,920
I also think a lot of it
comes down to like who's instigating, Because

1016
01:13:11,239 --> 01:13:13,880
if Nicole's like, hey, we
can't do this, but then it's chasing

1017
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,479
Laurel around, that doesn't look good. If Nicole's like trying and keep our

1018
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:20,520
distance and Laurel's like the lost puppy
dog that won't like stop following her,

1019
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:24,680
it's kind of like, you know, I'm not trying to initiate this.

1020
01:13:25,399 --> 01:13:29,520
I'm trying to say there's a real
easy thing to say, and it's no.

1021
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:32,279
Yeah, but I think Laurel.
I think Nicole wants to mess around.

1022
01:13:32,359 --> 01:13:35,560
I think I think Nicole can do
that with sort of fewer feelings.

1023
01:13:36,039 --> 01:13:39,279
Yeah, she can do it with
fewer feelings, but then she shouldn't try

1024
01:13:39,279 --> 01:13:43,920
to set the boundary if we shouldn't
do this. She should set the boundary

1025
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,680
of you are going to get hurt. I'm game to do this if it's

1026
01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,720
just going to be a physical thing, but I don't want the relationship out

1027
01:13:50,760 --> 01:13:55,319
of it. She should set that
boundary. Yeah, but being that she's

1028
01:13:55,359 --> 01:14:00,720
trying to set the boundary of we
shouldn't do this because we will get hurt

1029
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:04,520
and we are having an issue.
Yeah, it's that's yeah, I get

1030
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:09,800
it, I get it. They're
both horrible. Yeah, let's move on.

1031
01:14:10,319 --> 01:14:16,279
Okay, nominations, that's a short
one, cars A, Brandon,

1032
01:14:16,279 --> 01:14:20,039
and Lee. Everyone just sort of
agrees, except for Jay, who throws

1033
01:14:20,119 --> 01:14:26,079
one on Ryan. He does not
want to vote for Lee. Other than

1034
01:14:26,119 --> 01:14:32,039
that, non surprising Lee and Brandon. That's it. On to the elimination.

1035
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:35,960
Yeah, all of these nominations in
the last few episodes have been real

1036
01:14:36,039 --> 01:14:40,479
quick things. They seem to know
before they even get in there. Half

1037
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:43,079
the time they know before they even
start to finish the game. Yep,

1038
01:14:43,239 --> 01:14:45,199
no surprises, I think, Yeah, pint of having such a small group

1039
01:14:45,239 --> 01:14:48,119
of people doing the voting, it's
like there's not a law of room for

1040
01:14:48,199 --> 01:14:55,279
craziness because you know, there's so
few votes. Yeah, I kind of

1041
01:14:55,319 --> 01:14:58,039
like it, though, bad news, guys. I did not write down

1042
01:14:58,039 --> 01:15:00,880
the name of this competition. Do
you guys know what this one? No,

1043
01:15:01,319 --> 01:15:04,640
it's something about Mission impossible, but
I don't know a bullshit it's a

1044
01:15:04,640 --> 01:15:10,399
bullshit elimination. Yeah, kind of
stupid. Another non physical one. We

1045
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,880
haven't seen one like this though.
It's kind of cool. They're hanging like

1046
01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,800
with the men. It required a
little bit more endurance, but I would

1047
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,479
so much rather see them trying to
dig in the sand than I would carrying

1048
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:24,760
like a weird puzzle from I'm starting
to wonder against each other. I want

1049
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:29,439
to see people going against each other, not against themselves individuals. I'm also

1050
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,880
starting to wonder if some of our
problems with some of these eliminations that we

1051
01:15:32,039 --> 01:15:39,079
always say looks fun to do not
fun to watch. I feel like some

1052
01:15:39,159 --> 01:15:42,319
of that may be the editing.
Because Tim and Zach could back me up.

1053
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,920
There's a very similar competition like this
on Survivor, but it's like a

1054
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:50,800
table thing instead of being instead of
being hung, those things are suspenseful as

1055
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:56,199
fuck, but it's basically the exact
same thing, except they're not hanging from

1056
01:15:56,199 --> 01:16:01,079
the ceiling. It's just trying to
manipulate balls into holes you using like a

1057
01:16:01,119 --> 01:16:08,640
table that's on a pivot or whatever. And those competitions are like suspenseful and

1058
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:12,800
just like holy shit, who's going
to get it? So I think they're

1059
01:16:12,840 --> 01:16:15,720
just shitty editors working on this show. I can agree. And it's it's

1060
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:24,039
called mission improbable. Okay okay,
asked earlier, if I would date Nicole.

1061
01:16:24,279 --> 01:16:30,439
No, I would not date Nicole. I would I was gonna say

1062
01:16:30,520 --> 01:16:34,960
so, I have a jersey from
the volleyball thing we did that Nicole sign

1063
01:16:35,039 --> 01:16:39,720
said to my one and only boyfriend. So either I used to date her

1064
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,000
or I am parently. I'm not
sure how that works. I wonder how

1065
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:47,119
many times she's written that on People's
Choice? Would you never date any of

1066
01:16:47,159 --> 01:16:54,039
the female Carlin? Would you date
any of the female competitors? Oh?

1067
01:16:54,079 --> 01:16:58,000
Would I not date Nicole, but
someone who acted like Nicole? I am

1068
01:16:58,039 --> 01:17:01,920
pretty sure I have dated someone who
acted like Nicole. I definitely have dated

1069
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:08,479
someone who acted like Nicole. I
wouldn't do it again. You're not answering

1070
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:12,960
my question, though, would do
women on the show or would I date

1071
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:16,279
any of anyone any of the trying
to find out female Wolf. Don't say

1072
01:17:16,279 --> 01:17:23,079
female. I'm just trying. No, I'm trying to ask specifically female if

1073
01:17:23,079 --> 01:17:30,680
she would date any of the females
on the show. Carra from twenty eleven

1074
01:17:31,319 --> 01:17:34,239
cut Throat Kara. No. I
think Kara would be fun to play with

1075
01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:44,319
in bed. Honestly, I feel
like the only ones that would actually be

1076
01:17:44,399 --> 01:17:51,279
like decent people to date would be
Rachel or Veronica. I think Sarah Grayson

1077
01:17:53,680 --> 01:17:57,239
Avery, No, I have nothing. I don't care about Sarah Grayson.

1078
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,880
You don't care about Sarah Grayson.
Crazy. Look, I'm just trying to

1079
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,600
get our download numbers up. So
Carlin, if you start talking about your

1080
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:10,399
Lesbian Challenge fantasies and we promote the
I mean I would it'd be it'd be

1081
01:18:10,399 --> 01:18:15,039
fun to have a fling with Kara. I know you could probably hook that

1082
01:18:15,119 --> 01:18:16,880
up, carl They do those sex
to her things. You could make that

1083
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:21,600
happen. No, I don't actually
can we can? We can? We

1084
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:30,119
use the challenge money and send Carlin
and Carlin Carlin start only fans. Start

1085
01:18:30,359 --> 01:18:32,520
just the stories for the podcast,
that's all. I don't need photos or

1086
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:36,319
videos, but the stories would be
good Forget the stories, we need video

1087
01:18:36,359 --> 01:18:39,800
of it and we'll put for like
one hundred dollars a month on Patreon,

1088
01:18:41,079 --> 01:18:48,880
A hundred hundred better than she doesn't
want to deal with Polly though, and

1089
01:18:49,039 --> 01:18:54,119
Casas Turbo will be there because he
shows up to them too. And Brittany,

1090
01:18:54,119 --> 01:18:57,680
I know if she still does that. She's married, but oh,

1091
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:04,079
Carra or Casey Casey, I feel
like she's should be more fun to date

1092
01:19:04,079 --> 01:19:08,000
than Kara. Carr would just be
crazy. Yeah, car I think car

1093
01:19:08,039 --> 01:19:12,960
is a lunatic. Casey's boring as
ship, but I like boring in a

1094
01:19:13,039 --> 01:19:19,079
relationship. Yeah, I like boring
too. Yeah, all right, well,

1095
01:19:19,119 --> 01:19:25,760
hey, they're getting these balls into
the things, guys. I don't

1096
01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:30,239
know, it's it is interesting that
Brandon gets so far ahead and then Leroy

1097
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:34,159
comes back. Yeah, Leroy kind
of got all five of his into the

1098
01:19:34,159 --> 01:19:38,479
middle Brandon kind of one at a
time. I think that was a better

1099
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:44,960
strategy, yep, rather than trying
to like, I don't know, well,

1100
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:47,640
obviously it seemed to be a better
strategy. But yeah, it was

1101
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:51,279
kind of surprising that Brandon took such
an early, like really big lead.

1102
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:57,560
Paired with that and then all of
the Leroy attention from earlier on the episode

1103
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:00,600
when Brandon when it was three nothing
Brandon, I I was like, fuck

1104
01:20:00,720 --> 01:20:03,119
by Leroy, like that's it,
Yeah, he's gone. Yeah, that's

1105
01:20:03,199 --> 01:20:06,520
true. Leroy had confessionals about his
kids. I mean, I guess both

1106
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,560
of them talked to kids, and
it was hard to tell. It was

1107
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,520
hard to I was back and forth
under who was going home. They did

1108
01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,760
do a pretty decent job. They've
been doing a pretty decent job on kind

1109
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,840
of hiding burying the lead on Who's
going home? Yep, yep, they

1110
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:25,119
did a good job. It has
been quite as easy to pick. Yeah.

1111
01:20:25,119 --> 01:20:29,840
But this is when Leroy talks about
he dedicates his win to Kingson.

1112
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:32,800
He talks about how proud he is
to be a black father and how he's

1113
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:36,439
breaking that generational curse. Did LeRoy's
dad walk out on him? Do we

1114
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:43,800
know about LeRoy's dad? That's what
it sounds like Leroy. In one of

1115
01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:45,720
the challenges, le Roy says that
he loves his daddy, Yeah, and

1116
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,800
that kiss for He says, I
don't know he wanted to be a father.

1117
01:20:49,039 --> 01:20:53,640
I remember it because he said daddy. Yeah. I don't remember that.

1118
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:56,039
I think this episode, when you
talked about Sonny said I want to

1119
01:20:56,039 --> 01:21:00,880
be a father to him the way
my dad was to me. But then

1120
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:02,159
he I didn't I don't remember him
saying that, but he said he broke

1121
01:21:02,199 --> 01:21:06,399
the generational curse. Yeah, so
I don't know if it was his his

1122
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:12,399
biological father walked out him. Maybe
a stepdad raised him, or maybe maybe

1123
01:21:12,439 --> 01:21:15,720
we are conflating, maybe aren't actually
true. I don't I'm not really sure.

1124
01:21:15,159 --> 01:21:19,920
Maybe it's Cam's dad too. We
don't know too. Oh Lero has

1125
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:26,279
adopted Ryan says, okay, speak
Hi Ryan, Ryan, I'm gonna be

1126
01:21:26,279 --> 01:21:32,159
in uh Ohio in July. Well
hang out, You're gonna be in Ohio

1127
01:21:32,199 --> 01:21:39,319
like you said you'd be in Minnesota
next this week. Yeah, same Ama,

1128
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:45,479
Who's start? Who started? Who
starred as Leroy take early July?

1129
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:51,079
Ryan early Adams having a different conversation. He takes, He takes Adams star.

1130
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:56,680
Oh, he's just left the conversation
entirely. I'm reading the t I

1131
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:59,960
can only do one thing at a
time. Yeah, it takes Adams.

1132
01:22:00,079 --> 01:22:03,279
Sorry, Adam's not super upset about
it. But then he also says,

1133
01:22:03,960 --> 01:22:08,439
he also says, you know,
we're good. Just that gives me permission

1134
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:13,159
to take it back. There was
some hop it's the attitude that you need

1135
01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:16,479
to have with that sort of thing. Yes, Lera could have stolen a

1136
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:20,840
woman's star and given it to Cam. Yes, but he didn't he stole

1137
01:22:21,359 --> 01:22:26,840
he did, he not. But
he also said I'm gonna let the ladies

1138
01:22:27,119 --> 01:22:32,119
play their game, and I'm gonna
take Adam's starr, which I appreciated because,

1139
01:22:32,279 --> 01:22:34,399
I mean, even though it is
only going to be one winner at

1140
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:39,319
the end, the stars are staying
within the genders, so they have to

1141
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:45,760
they're still gonna have to do.
I appreciated that. All right, exactly

1142
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:49,560
do you want to update the point? Do you want to do you want

1143
01:22:49,560 --> 01:23:00,359
to update us on how or after
after episode five and in last place with

1144
01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:06,840
twenty seven points, Big Uncle Sweet
Tea, yes, thirdoo and he only

1145
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:11,439
has two players on his team.
Now does hey, Karl, don't rub

1146
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,479
it in? Don't rub it in? And Brad wins this thing? Yeah,

1147
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:16,359
you're gonna all You're gonna all regret
it. Yeah, I mean,

1148
01:23:16,399 --> 01:23:20,000
like right now, Big Uncle Sweet, you would be winning if his guy's

1149
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:28,880
got top two. So uh,
third place with thirty points is Carlin jumping

1150
01:23:28,920 --> 01:23:32,000
all the way up to second place
from his fourth place last episode? Wolfee

1151
01:23:32,079 --> 01:23:38,920
with thirty four points and says the
number one on the real fantasy league,

1152
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,079
I mean on the fake fantasy league, this is your one. And then

1153
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:49,479
in first place Jackie Bananas with fifty
three points. Uhrigg. I call for

1154
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:57,199
an audit. M I agree.
I can send you the file. You

1155
01:23:57,239 --> 01:24:00,000
can do the audit. You'll see
that. Uh. Of the Daily Channel

1156
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:02,600
winners, over fifty percent of them
have been on my team through the first

1157
01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:09,880
five episodes. Braggart, that damn
Tony, Tony really fucked me on this

1158
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:13,079
thing. Tony never going to forgive
him. I'm never going to forgive him

1159
01:24:13,079 --> 01:24:15,279
for that. Who what Cyrus was
that you? Or was it will be?

1160
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:23,479
I've had him for that one episode. I still have six people left,

1161
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:26,199
Carlin, I move, we have
five well fields full? I have

1162
01:24:26,279 --> 01:24:35,000
five? I have two, all
right? And then so we have the

1163
01:24:35,199 --> 01:24:43,640
public League. Mm hmmm. Uh
thirty one, thirty one, thirty one.

1164
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:47,800
I'm rolling in at number thirty one. Listeners, y'all gotta step your

1165
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:57,279
game up. I'm kicking your assure. I have officially kicked whatever stove out

1166
01:24:57,279 --> 01:25:02,640
of first place, and no quitter
Gina has kicked whatever stove out of second

1167
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:06,800
place. So right now it is
me at five hundred and fifty three,

1168
01:25:08,239 --> 01:25:13,319
no Quitters at five hundred and twenty
five, and whatever stove at four ninety

1169
01:25:13,319 --> 01:25:18,600
five. The problem is that Bananas
is it fourth? Uh? Tim,

1170
01:25:18,640 --> 01:25:25,000
you are yeah, and then yeah
we'll for year at thirty one. The

1171
01:25:25,039 --> 01:25:27,960
problem though, Carlyn, if you
win that, you're gonna have to do

1172
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,159
an episode as both a co host
and a guest. Just so you know,

1173
01:25:31,399 --> 01:25:34,119
No, we already we already talked
about this. If one of us

1174
01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:38,760
wins it, Jojo, then we
get to pick. No, you're gonna

1175
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:44,560
have to just play two roles,
Joe Joe Jo Jo Jo Joe Jo.

1176
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,000
I mean I think that we pick
from the people who competed in here,

1177
01:25:48,119 --> 01:25:54,479
or we just give it to the
top person was other than Cindy's in there.

1178
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,800
She's doing better than I am.
Cindy who doesn't watch the show,

1179
01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:01,800
she's doing She's placed higher than I
am. Let's see, there's a lot

1180
01:26:01,840 --> 01:26:04,399
of luck unless you're a spoiler person. I think there's a lot of lucky.

1181
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:12,439
Yeah, Wolfy Fan Club is in
it twenty one, right behind Tim.

1182
01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:14,600
You've been if you're a spoiler person, Tim, like we I think

1183
01:26:14,640 --> 01:26:16,560
we just sssed it last week the
week well two weeks ago, like,

1184
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:21,479
we don't know the crying, the
fighting, so I think this one really

1185
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:28,680
is so we don't know who wins
every episode all the different things. No,

1186
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:31,079
I mean, like I said last
week, my strategies, and we

1187
01:26:31,079 --> 01:26:34,680
were also talking about it in the
pre show a little bit. I'm going

1188
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:40,680
for, you know, whoever I
think might win that episode. Throw a

1189
01:26:40,720 --> 01:26:43,520
good strong player in there, because
they need to start peppering him in to

1190
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,439
get some of those points. Throw
in the people that I think are gonna

1191
01:26:46,439 --> 01:26:49,920
get kicked off sooner rather than later. And then based on the previews,

1192
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:54,439
who's gonna have some drama because you
almost always know off of those we have

1193
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,119
a similar strategy, Carl, and
you're just pulling it off way way better

1194
01:26:57,159 --> 01:27:00,840
than me. I haven't gone for
the but I did uh for everyone to

1195
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,880
watch the next time on. I
did. I did base my votes this

1196
01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:09,720
upcoming week on the next week because
I feel like there's two people's I feel

1197
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:15,359
like there's two people you know are
gonna get good points. Yeah, yeah,

1198
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,640
yeah, because the drama and the
romance are really coming in on this

1199
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:21,319
one. I already have her.
They definitely help. Well, if you

1200
01:27:21,359 --> 01:27:26,039
already have a request for next week's
quote as well came from the preview.

1201
01:27:26,760 --> 01:27:32,880
I know see all right, hey, het Aver challenge pot dot com joined

1202
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:40,560
the Facebook group preon in the Instagram
tim what people get when they joined the

1203
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:43,800
Patreon Well, for five dollars a
month, you get access to pre shows

1204
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:45,800
after shows years and years with of
content. Also the discord where I've been

1205
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:50,199
posting the AI generated songs I make
for every single episode. Hey, this

1206
01:27:50,319 --> 01:27:57,279
last one certified banger only the only
all of them, only the only the

1207
01:27:57,279 --> 01:27:59,520
people in the discord would know,
though, I guess, I guess sept

1208
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:00,479
putting that a pay two, I'll
put up. I'll put it on a

1209
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,600
patron if I ever remember. We
also say your name, So thank you

1210
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:09,840
to Alvin, Elena uh oh wait
no, Ainsley, Elena, Alvin,

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No reviews leave us reviews on Apple
podcast guys, it helps exact.

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Do we have any social media stuff
you do. You have a couple things.

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So first off, I don't know
if we've discussed this already, but

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I was doing some research earlier today
on Bears versus men in the Woods.

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Did we ever discuss the fact that
apparently Bear got released from prison in January

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got out on early release. We
did, Yeah, he got out on

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earlier for her behavior in England.
Apparently they do interesting, right. I

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01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:12,439
saw Georgia was making some press.
She like published some of their chats and

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ship like she's kind of she's really
like advocating for women during this whole thing.

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I did see this because I saw
those come out. I forgot about

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that. She was not happy when
he got released. Yeah, I think

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that's why she released the chats.
Yeah, I'm I think what she's doing

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is great. She was doing interviews
talking about it and stuff like, yeah,

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ruin that dude's life. Go for
it. The website Collider they posted

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a top ten baddest villains of the
Challenge. Have you guys seen this list?

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No real life or villains in the
show. I think villain's on the

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show, So on your opinions,
all right, So number ten Trischelle,

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Number nine Kayla number eight, Trischelle
will always be to me. Number eight

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is Wes. Number seven Devin seems
kind of low. Number six, number

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01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:15,159
six is Amanda. Yeah, West
seems West seems low. I don't know

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that I consider Devin a villain.
If he is, he he should be

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eight or nine, you know what
I mean, Like he's he's a low

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level. Yeah. Number five,
he seems like he seems like an anti

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01:30:27,239 --> 01:30:30,279
hero more than a villain. I
could see that. Yeah. Number five

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01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:38,279
the Camillainator. Oh, she should
be higher, Yeah, her races should

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be higher. Number four Ashley Mitchell. Number number three Laurel. Number two,

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Number two is Beth, and then
obviously number one is the Banana Man

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Johnny. I hate that I'm about
to say this. I feel like number

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one is too high for him.
I think so too. I think I

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feel like I feel like Bananas and
West kind of they're kind of the same,

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and they should be in that like
five or six range. I feel

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like Beth has Beth was definitely a
villain, but she hasn't been around for

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a really long time. I think
she probably should have been more instead of

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she was what two Beth was two? Yes, Yeah, Beth should have

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01:31:26,239 --> 01:31:30,920
been more like a three or four. Camilla should have been. Camilla should

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01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:34,640
have been I could see. I'm
guessing that they're basing this on non racist

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reasons because I think if we're bringing
the racism into I think Kamila is number

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one for sure. Yeah, yeah, because he was. It was Camilla,

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Beth, Johnny. Who else is
up at the top five? Top

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five was five Camilla for Ashley,
Mitchell, three, Laurel two, Beth

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01:31:56,319 --> 01:32:01,279
one Bananas. Yeah, so I
think Laurel at three makes I think I

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think Ashley is probably too high as
well. Really, I feel like she

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should be top three. Yeah,
I guess you're right, You're right.

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Actually, Ashley's probably Maybe maybe we
do Camilla. I think I think for

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me it would be one would be
Camilla, two would be Laurel, three

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would be Ashley, four would be
Beth. Then you've got Bananas and West

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01:32:27,359 --> 01:32:32,439
kind of tied in there. Yeah. Yeah, I can't think of any

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of that. Like, I think, yeah, you're right, we might

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rearrange some Are there any numbers anybody
we left out? Kay brings up Kenny.

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I was kind of think of Kenny
myself. Yeah, Kenny, Kenny

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kind of does belong up there.
All right, and then I don't know,

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I think social media news we have
this is a spoiler life for anyone

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that's watching the Netflix show Fight for
Paradise if you haven't seen the finale yet.

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But uh, what's that? What's
that? It's a reality show on

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Netflix from Germany. But former they
just had their finale and former challenger Nom

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was the winner of the show.
He won something, he made it to

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the end of a show. I'm
fine, I'm fine never seeing him again,

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you know, seeing anybody. He
had. He had so much potential

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his first season coming in and he
had such a rash. Every single episode,

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every single season he's been on,
he's either been let go or had

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to leave for some various different reason. And yeah, he'd I'm okay with

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never seeing him again either because he
had the chance and it just it never

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it never came about it. Yeah, they just never ended up working out

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for him. Well, And I
hate to be this guy, but I'm

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just gonna be this way anyway.
All these international people, with very few

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exceptions, international people are harder to
digest on the challenge just because there's like

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there's like all of these like language
barriers of like you know, like the

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way they phrase things is different and
hard, and like they don't communicate with

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the house as well. It's like, why are you on this show the

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British people. I think British people
are different because like, yeah, we

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can communicate with them. So like
you're talking about people who English is not

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their first language. Yes, like
Nam who seems like in his confessionals,

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was like struggling to even like say
coherent sentences. And I'm not trying to

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judge because I don't know any other
languages either. I thought No English was

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really really good. I remember him
having like kind of being soft spoken and

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uh, not saying much, being
really quiet in the house. He was

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01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:01,960
just really quiet. I guess.
I don't try to raise this, but

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if you can't like communicate with other
people in the house, there's definitely a

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part that's like, I mean,
we definitely Turbo is a perfect example of

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that, where there was a lot
because of the language barrier, there were

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01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:18,560
a lot of little like idioms and
turns of phrase that would be said to

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01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:24,520
him that he'd be like the fuck
or like ways that he was trying to

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01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:29,840
communicate. He gave the world pussy
chicken. He's got passed I'm saying,

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if there was no language barrier with
Turbo, he would not be half the

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01:35:33,039 --> 01:35:40,199
amazing challenger he is. He's misunderstanding
that. Sometimes great, sometimes it works,

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but Nam is one like he just
disappeared to me. I can't tell

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01:35:43,119 --> 01:35:45,960
you a single thing he did other
than be kicked off for stuff because he

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just I don't know, he just
was. He was never kicked off.

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01:35:47,119 --> 01:35:51,800
He was just you know, medically
never made it. Yeah, whatever,

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01:35:53,159 --> 01:35:57,760
you see what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean, he just that's the

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point. Americans don't need him to
come back. He had multiple chances in

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01:36:02,399 --> 01:36:06,279
a row and it just never never
worked out. Yeah, now, Gobo,

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01:36:06,399 --> 01:36:11,000
that's when we need back. That's
a remember Gobbo. I do not

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01:36:11,119 --> 01:36:20,800
remember Gabo. I like Gobbo.
Who's what season was like More of the

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01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:27,119
World or something like that, More
the ones too? Are you gonna I'm

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01:36:27,119 --> 01:36:30,920
google Gobbo? Yeah, well,
if you should definitely know Goabo. Was

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it just recently within the past like
two seasons? No, five seasons?

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01:36:35,319 --> 01:36:43,199
Maybe I feel like it was just
recently. Allies? How long ago is

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01:36:43,199 --> 01:36:47,399
that? Though? That was the
last like a couple of years. Let's

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see Margo Spies, Lies and Allies
was August August through December of twenty twenty

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01:37:00,359 --> 01:37:05,840
one. Okay to yeah, three
years on a two years fascinating? This

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01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:11,159
is boring? Hey, uh add
over to you. Challenge pot dot Com

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joined the Facebook group. You can
also join patroon, which we've already talked

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about. My guests for this episode
of Challenge, I've been Brian Big over

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01:37:18,159 --> 01:37:26,720
with you, Carl in San Diego, Zachie Bananas, and as Nicole said,

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it's like you were punching it.
Look at Speedbaglie Chalie