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all right. Episode four. Tim's favorite words so far in this season starget,
Yes, love it. I had to rewatch this episode today because I
forgot what happened. All right. We start off with was this the one
that started with? It doesn't matter. I don't care about there that last
week on we are back in the house and Rachel is talking about how Tina
she how she took the star from Tina and gave it to Veronica, and
how Tina didn't really earn her star so it's not that big of a deal,
and also because she was in the bottom group last week, it really
doesn't matter that she took her star because she didn't actually earn it, and
Tina's ultimately fine with that. Yeah, we're a long way away from the
final too, so I think the stars are just sort of they're there and
they're relevant, but people aren't pursuing them all that hard right now. Yeah,
but Veronica says something to the effect of like she thinks she's sitting pretty
for the final for a while, like, girl, I don't, I
don't. I don't understand these people who are like, I have a star,
I'm in the final. It's like there's twelve episodes this season. Real,
calm down, Yeah, we're not even halfway through and you're a fluffcare
character. Like that's what I was going to say. One of these people
thinking that they like, yeah, that they're not going to be targeted,
like Jasmin's another one, like of course they're gonna come for your star.
Yeah, Jesse says it in episode five. Yeah, like Cary, you
just gave handed my ticket to the final, Like I don't, don't,
I don't think you actually okay, trust me. An episode or two right
before the final, people are going to be throwing your ass in Oh yeah.
Yeah. We also got a quick like Nicole talking to Cam about how
Carra apparently said something to the effects in the previous day. They she expected
Cam to kind of have her back, and Cam seems kind of like,
excuse me, what about it? A little Braddy, which was interesting,
but it kind of it kind of led up to what happened over the next
you know, to this episode and the next one. Cam has really picked
a fight with Kara over the Kara not voting for Rachel. Like I was
on we'll get into it. I was kind of on Carra's side where I'm
just like, calm down, relax. After this last episode, I think
I may have switched. You guys can talk about it, argue about it.
Yeah, well we'll have to talk about it in episode five. Well
if you I'm kind of on the same page this episode she was. This
episode Cam was being a little braddy, and then we're onto the challenge ship.
No, not even this is like, legitimately, this is how these
episodes have been going. It's a little bit of time and then immediately goes
into the challenge and then a little bit of time and you have deliberation and
like these it's also because these episodes aren't an hour and a half long,
because yeah, I found it very strange that we were almost immediately in it.
So the challenge this episode is called Unbraided Reloaded, which was a really
dumb name. Get I get that that it's harkening back. It's supposed to
be a you know, electric Boogloo two type of things. But I love
this game. I think this is really cool. They did a similar one
of the Ruins, but like over Water on the Ruins, I think it's
really cool. There's like strategy, there's athleticism in here. Yeah, there
were a lot of It was another game that there were a lot of different
parts. It was actually kind of fun to watch. Yeah. So the
game is played in four teams of five people. Everybody is hanging from the
side of a semi by a big, giant, thick rope and the ropes
are all braided together as a five rope braid. They the players have to
unbraid the rope as the semi is driving down this track, and once they
get the rope completely unbraided, then they have to space out on the side
of this semi and do a maze with a peg that's stuck in the wall
and pass the peg along to each other until they get to the end,
and then they can pull out of the man and the first and uh,
your time stops when the peg gets pulled out, which, yeah, it
was kind of it was fun to what. There was a lot to it
that they had to do. My initial thought was Red Team is all fluff
players, all fluff players. Who's the players on that one? It's got
like Jazz and and Derek, and I don't remember who. I didn't write
anybody's names down, but I just remember it was a bunch of fluff players.
Uh, they even though they are a bunch of fluff flight fluff pay
players, and they are playing against a team that has Carap, Brad and
Veronica on it. All big characters, big personalities. The Red team finishes
like unbraids themselves, finishes the maze before the Orange team even gets unbraided,
Like they just fly through this thing. Yeah, like you said, lots
of big personalities, which is why I think they couldn't They couldn't figure out
how to work together. Yeah, they were all talking over each other.
Brad was apparently thrown people in one direction or another, and people weren't doing
things, and yeah, it's just a bit of a mess. This came
down to, essentially, this is a puzzle. This is more strategy than
athleticism or anything else. Yeah, you had to kind of you had to
work your way through it and like pause for a second, kind of take
some stock as to how everybody's going to unbraid themselves, because it's a lot
of limbs and ropes being thrown around second round is Pink and Green team.
Pink team also has some big personalities on it. It has both Cam and
Laurel, and then the Green team has three different star holders. So that
was not the greatest team to be if you end up in the bottom.
I do like how the teams are randomized so that we do get that sometimes
you know, like a lot of star holders on one team, it's an
absolute dynamic. Yep. So the Green team was pure chaos. They just
couldn't figure the shit out. They were having all kinds of trouble. We
also get a confessional from Laurel during this time, saying that Laurel loves to
do loves working in team environments, that she loves being in a team.
That she's been multiple She's been the captain of multiple different volleyball teams. That's
her thing. Was she likes to lead teams right, not beyond them.
Yeah, that's what she was implying it. Yeah, because the moment that
she said that, I was like, I I don't think that you know
what working on a team is. Patty said the same thing. Laurel just
loves bossing people around. Yes, she likes Yeah, she likes being the
captain of a team or the team leader. Yeah, I'm not so sure.
She's great as just a team player. No one. It was very
strange that they that happened, but everybody on their team seemed to kind of
work pretty well together and actually listen to what she was saying. So they
also finished before the Green team untangles, which was interesting to see. We
get to the end and TJ, as always says, it came down to
Razor fen Margins down to seconds, so close every game, every single game.
It's amazing. It really is. Ultimately Pink team wins. So it's
Derek, Laurel, Steve, cam and Ryan, middle is Avery, Jazz,
Jay Brandon, and Tina, and then the bottom is two different is
two teams. It is Veronica who has a star, Kara who has a
star, Nicole, Rachel who has a star, and Flora. Because they're
going for women this round, so those are the four or the five women
that are in there, and of the five women, three of them have
stars, so it was and if you include the guys in that five of
the six stars from the entire show are up for grabs. But because it's
a Women's Day, it's only Ronica car and Rachel. Rachel has a confessional
saying that she's pretty convinced that she's going to be in elimination again, and
I wholeheartedly agree with that. Kara thinks she's safe though. She thinks she's
safe because she has According to her, she has Jazz, who she's backed
before, Jay, who apparently she's an ally with, and Brandon because they
were on Fresh Meat together and I do remember them getting along. They had
like a friendship of sorts on them. Yeah. I can understand her and
her and Brandon. Yeah, I mean, I guess she has played a
few different games with Jazz, But since when is she good with Jay?
That was a weird. That was a kind of out of the blue.
I I know that Jay works with Nicole, like at the fire station,
like they're both firemen. They work together. Yeah, they like know each
other outside of the shut like their friends outside the show. So I wonder
if Kara is just in on that. I think because car is just sort
of in with Nicole, or at least was for a while. I don't
think she's actually in with Nicole. I think she was in with Nicole like
way back in the day, but I don't think she's in with the cole
now, and on top of that, Cara lives in Montana. Yeah,
but her Boston accident. We'll discuss who she's in with when it comes to
episode five. True, but yeah, so she thinks that she's in with
those three t and those three players, and so she thinks she's safe.
So we are back at the house and we've got Laurel and Nicole talking to
each other, and Laurel's in just a towel, just got another shower,
brushing her hair in just a towel, sitting there talking with Nicole. Bends
down at one point in time and Nicole is sitting on top of her dresser.
Bends down to get into the dresser and Nicole kind of backs. I'm
like, oh, too close, too close. I like that little human
moment though. I think Nicole is kind of funny and personal, and I
thought it was funny except for the fact that it's a super toxic, super
toxic relationship. Totally, totally. Yeah, when it comes to that relationship,
I think Nicole is the super toxic one. Yes, I'm not saying
Laurel's not, but I think Laurel is just so infasciated with Nicole and knows
what she's doing horrible. Yeah, Nicole knows what she's doing, and Laurel
is still the amateur in this relationship. Yeah. I think Laura is a
horrible person too, by by the way, but I think in this situation,
Nicole is the worst one. Yeah, I agree with that, because
she's fucking around Laura. She's like toy with Laurel. Yeah, because Laurel
in this episode, like right here, she says there's still an attraction between
us. Multiple times. In the next episode, Laurel says that there's still
something between them. Nicole never says it, but Laurel does multiple times in
two episodisodes, Laurel does kind of sound like she's trying to have somewhat of
an adult conversation with Nicole about the relationship they had and how things ended and
why they're having so much trouble around each other now, and Nicole doesn't want
to hear it. She kind of shuts down, like, I don't have
any words, I don't know what to say. This is I don't want
to talk about this right now. Yeah, So Wolfie, to disagree with
you a little bit, isn't this Nicole trying to put a little space at
a little distance in and saying like, let's not know, is it really
you think this is all manipulation, that she's she's trying to lay some boundaries,
but you think it's got ulterior motives. It's not even laying boundaries,
it's just I'm going to put up that wall of I'm not going to go
deep. But I know that you're going deep, and I know that it's
a big deal for you, but I just want to get I just want
to get fucked. Yeah, but isn't like like her saying that, isn't
that sort of enough to have Laurel be able to make her own decision?
It should be, But being that they were in like a year and a
half relationship, no, it's not. So you think Nicole needs to be
the one that's just not Nicole needs to not she again, we'll discuss this
in the next episode, because this really comes out in the next one.
And you know, Nichole's leading her on. Nicole knows what she's doing,
Nicole knows that she needs to shut this down, and Laurel doesn't. And
I watched Nicole on I think it was a true life episode that they did
during COVID. It was following Nicole and girlfriends girlfriend who was apparently from a
real world or road rules or something. I didn't know who she was,
but and Nicole is the fucking worst. Even watching her, I'll say it
wasn't a competition thing. It literally was just we're following people during COVID to
see how they're coping, and Nicole is an e MT and stuff treat to
their girlfrien and like shit, when her girlfriend is like zooming with her family,
She's getting into arguments with her girlfriend's family over zoom and it's just like
a fucking horrible So I'm basing it more on stuff I've seen of her outside
of this Nicole Laurel relationship, and she's a fucking terrible person. Yeah,
yeah, I agree with We'll feel this. It's definitely more on Nicole for
this one. Laurel stupid for wanting to get back together with the Laurels.
There. As we said, we'll get into that next episode. Anyone that
goes on these shows needs therapy, but yes, Laurel desperately needs much.
Not Leroy though, we'll get there. But if Laurel has been in therapy,
she needs to find a new therapist. Anyway, we did get a
conversation between Derek and Karra or not Derek and Carr. Why do I write
Derek that's weird. Between Brandon and Kara, they talk about how they met
each other on Fresh Meats and Derek or Brandon does say something to the effect
of, you know, you going in kind of benefits my game. So
I'm gonna I'm gonna do whatever is going to benefit my game. Like I'm
not gonna say yes or knows you as far as no, I'm not going
to vote you, and I'm not going to give you a promise right now,
like I'm gonna do with benefits my game? How did it benefit How
did it benefit his game? Though? He says this, and I agree
with him. If she goes home, if if a big player goes home,
he has a better chance of making it to the final, well winning
the final two, but he has a better chance of making it to the
final if big players go home early. And this is a good but there's
only one winner this season. Yeah, it doesn't matter if it's a man
or a woman who goes home. That's that's why I'm trying to put a
finer point on it. It's not that he wants to make it the finally,
if he wants to win the final, so I just want to win
the final. But it's it's that he wants bigger players to go home earlier.
You can get bigger players out, the better chance he has of making
it to the final and winning the final. Okay, turns out he's wrong
in this in this instance. But if that's what he's thinking, I don't
know. That's not the way that's not wrong in this episode is just it's
just the payoff his next episode. It just seems like if you have a
strong female on your side, a strong woman on your side, you should
want that because a woman could keep you safe and would want to, and
a man is going to be gunning for you. I don't know, I
would want to keep a strong woman on my side. Yeah, but it's
not the women voting the men out and the men voting the women out.
No, it's the people that are doing well in the game are able to
keep people safe and throw people in cars. Not even that. It's the
people who are doing mediocre in the game. Well, fair enough. I
don't know that it matters if you're a strong woman or not. Like,
if you're doing mediocre in the game, you have a better chance of keeping
your friends safe. Well, I mean it turns out Brandon's wrong the next
episode. So yeah, I don't think you should have targeted Kara, And
I don't think if he could do it again, I don't think you would
do it again. Yeah. I think I think he kind of burned a
bridge there that he didn't need to burn. Yeah. I think if it
had, if it had been a few episodes later, it would been fine.
But yeah, I agree, I think it was he burned that bridge
a little too early. Yes, towards the end. Yeah, towards the
end. It's whatever, do whatever you want. I do understand his reasoning
for it, Like getting the chance to throw Kara in against Rachel that is
epic. Yeah, for a multitude of reasons. But yeah, So we
are on the club night. I noticed they have beers that are privately labeled
with challenge logos all over them. I saw too. That was kind of
cool. Yeah, and we need something to put up on the wall.
Yeah, we kind of need if we can get some of those, but
they're on eBay. Uh. We do get a conversation between kind of people
in the middle group, Tina asks Jay and Jazz who they're thinking of putting
in, and Jazz says something to the effect of Veronica and Rachel. Tina
is not happy, and then Tina attempts to politic and we get a confessional
from Veronica, and Veronica in the confessional says, Tina sucks at politicking.
Every time she tries, she drags herself and anyone she's politicking for down into
the mud. I could see that, yep, I totally because she doesn't
politics. She just threatens. And that's not how you that's not how you
can You're supposed to do this, especially when you don't have any real power.
That's the thing that drives me nuts about Tina is that she acts like
she wields a lot of power because she does have some numbers typically, but
that's all she that's all she has. Not intimidating or scary at all,
especially in the last the last few seasons that she's come on, she hasn't
really had that many numbers wise. Yeah, this season, the only reason
why she had knee backing was because she had Rachel and Dragon at least.
Well, let's be real, it's it's actually gonna help. Yeah, but
like I mean, it's not. It's not ten fifteen years ago when she
actually did have a big group of people behind her. She's an old player
now she doesn't have that that big backing, especially in this season when there
are a lot of younger players in it. So it was just it was
funny. I'm done. I was done with Tina two seasons ago when she
quit in the in the elimination against Melinda. I agree. Back in the
house, we can really get a really excellent, like thirty seconds scene of
Brad just cotton Law snoring in bed. I this is gonna be my this
is gonna this is gonna be my quote last week as Brad said, how
did I miss this? What's going on? I'm gonna go back and wat
this episode. Yeah, it was just a little it was a little like
it probably wasn't thirty second, It was probably like three to five seconds,
but it was just just a little vignette. I think it was Jay and
Leroy were standing in the room and they're just looking at him, like the
middle they're just like what the fuck, Like late morning, there's light in
the outside, You're just looking at him like, God, damn, dude,
I love Brad. The best case said, Brad had a boner?
Oh did he really? All right, I missed that Brad had a boner?
How did it look? Okay? Had it look? Was it impressive?
Oh? That's why that's why they were laughing. Okay, all right,
Yeah, totally missed that. Yeah, so it sounds like we both
have to go back and watch it him. You're going to try to get
a glimpse of his boner? Yeah, why not? No reason why not?
I will too. All Right, We let's see. We've got a
conversation where Jazz asks Cam and Laurel if they are planning on going down into
the arena to compete for a star. Laurel says it depends on the game,
and Cam says, either way, is the middle group going to take
this chance to get out a really good player, like if they gonna throw
it, basically alluding to are they going to throw in Caara and Rachel because
it's as she says, it's time to make a play. Yeah, I
mean, I guess if you've got the chance to get either of them out,
go for it. And Jazz doesn't really agree one way or the other.
So then we've got middle team minus Tina, sitting in a room talking,
and Jazz starts off saying we should do Rachel and Kara. Avery says
Kara, but not Rachel. Jay says Rachel but not Kara. And Brandon
Sayscara and Rachel. Even though Kara is his friend, he will always go
for the strongest player first. So fair enough. Yeah, bad call though,
bad call. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna argue why I think it
is a good call. How long? How long has it been since we've
seen Brandon on this show at least eight years exactly, and so had he
just kind of gone stats quo and been like, Carra's a little lackey,
that's probably another eight years before we see him again. I think him making
the shot, I would not be surprised to see him back in the next
season or two. All Right, I can see it for that point.
Yeah, I think the only the only problem that I have with it is
that I wish Brandon would have been a little more straightforward with Kara. I
didn't like how he was sort of dodging her and like avoiding the question when
she was asking him, like, yeah, because where's the Brandon that would
have just looked at her in the eye been like, hey, listen,
it's better for my game. I hope you understand, Like we can still
be cool after that, Like that seemed like the Brandon I know, not
the you know, unveiled at the elimination and act shitty that was. That
was the thing. So Kara is sitting in a living room while this whole
conversation has happened, Carl sitting in a living room, and apparently Ace was
getting the sixth sense that uh, Carl was going to be quote unquote stabbed
in the back by her friends. And so Carr goes, well, fuck
it, I'm just gonna go ask him, walks into the room with Brandon
and Jay and asks them straight up like you know. Ace is kind of
feeling like like it's gonna be me and Rachel, like, I mean,
do you guys have a decision. And that's when Brandon is kind of beating
around the bush like we haven't talked about it yet, we don't really know
we're about to go into deliberation. Yeah, and he knew that at this
point, right, he was just trying, yeah to say it because four
of the five people had already talked. Yeah, so then we've got nominations,
nominations, and it's it goes real fast. Tina says that she's not
gonna go first. She wants to be the last person to put name her
vote an so Brandon says Rachel, Yeah, Jess was not not cool with
that. Avery says Veronica and Carla Kara, Jay says Rachel and Flora.
Jess says Rachel and Kara, and Tina sits here and goes fuck it like
it's gonna be them anyway. All right, fuck it, Rachel and Cara.
What do you guys think about this? I think if the numbers are
what they are, you shouldn't You shouldn't disrupt things. I know people disagree,
but I don't blame Tina for doing this. It wouldn't have changed anything,
so fucking I agree. I agree with what Tina did. I think
it just makes uh Flora mad at her if she goes the other way.
Yeah. Yeah. I also think, you know, we're talking earlier about
how Tina's bad at politics. I think this is the perfect time that you
want to go first, because people are always happy to just jump on,
like a train that has momentum. So if she'd gone at first and thrown
the votes in our direction, maybe someone just is like, all right,
I'll go with your majority. Then yeah, I agree with both you and
Tim. It would have been a good like she could have at least tried
to skew it in a different direction. Not that it was gonna happen because
you have three people who automatically said or two people who had automatically said Rachel
and Kara, and then the other two voted one of either, but you
did have the chance. But yeah, the only person that it seemed to
like irk was Rachel, and Rachel's played this game so many times and she's
been a strong player in this game with a decent social game, Like she
should know that if it gets to that point, why would you burn bridges
with someone else when you can just say those two names and be done with
it, even though they know that you're not actually gunning for them. I
just I found it weird that Rachel was so up in arms about it.
Same I fought I did not like her reaction, like she should have.
Yeah, she should have known, like, hey, you protected yourself.
There's nothing you could have done to save your You know, save me at
that point. Yeah, you would have just been putting a target on your
back from someone else if you had said someone else's name. So I just
I found it strange that that Rachel, of all people were I wonder if
she's just like if it's like an era from when she played where it was
you know, back then you never said your friends's name. It was like
a real mark of friendship. Maybe she takes it like personally offensive or something,
but I mean the game has evolved. Yeah, no, I agree,
she shouldn't be offended. Yeah, teena the right thing. Yep.
So Jazz puts the names up right, Jazz right, whoever someone puts the
name, that name's up. Huh, somebody doesn't matter. Yeah, And
then Kara calls out Jazz like what the hell I had your back? I
really went to bat for you, And Jazz is like, I don't.
It's a game, like I had the chance to put you in, I'm
gonna put you in. And she has a confessional saying that she wishes she
could find a pacifier for Carra. This is the car I don't like this
entitled like and shit too, like, how dare you throw me in?
I'm unthrow inable like Cam does that same thing. This is why we got
brat, why Cam has been called a brat, because any of them,
when they start getting this entitled ship, it's like, it's a fucking game,
guys. This is the point yep, Car, It's always. It's
always when they do something, it's like, look, you're playing this game
too personal. It's just a game. Move. Then when it happens to
them, it's like, how dare you all fairships? Yeah? It drives
me nuts, yep. And I've loved Car this season. It's nice to
see the old car back. But man, it would have been nice for
her to just be like, ah, jay As, I get it,
and now you know I have to come for you in return and you know
I don't know, yeah, and just like laugh it off. Yeah,
just yeah, it's it's Jasmine, Like it's not She's not a threat.
I mean she I did give it to Kara, and that she did stand
up. She and Rachel both stood up and like high five each other and
said let's fucking do it, like we got this, this will be a
great show. Whatever. But it was still like, girl, why are
you acting so entitled? Yeah? I don't like that. It was I
don't know, and I was not thrilled with how Kara active in that.
Uh so then we're onto elimination. Oh wrong one. Okay, I hated
this elimination, so I had to fill the space in with something. Uh
yeah, for two powerhouse girls women. Excuse me, we're two powerhouse women.
To put them in a game where they're throwing throwing stars at a board,
exactly what are thinking? Why would they not just give them a pole
like you can make it poll wrestle with these two? Like, what do
they do? I don't know. It's so frustrating. It kind of feels
like last season where we had all these big hitters come in and then they
gave them all puzzles. It was not brilled. Yeah, that's yeah,
it's darks essentially. Yeah. I feel like the theme for me lately,
especially this season and last season, is the eliminations are super lame anymore.
Yeah, and we've also seen tjs We've seen TJJA a couple of times this
season that it was designed so anyone could win. So I think they're trying
to find finals and challenges and eliminations that are not just the biggest, strongest
fastest win and I get that, but I feel like they also need to
have like one or two games ready, So like, if you get to
powerhouse people, maybe throw them in something a little bit more physical that like
either one could win in that. And if you've got a powerhouse versus like
Jazz, then do this game. Yeah, I agree. I feel like
that you can you can find a way to even out the playing field but
not make it boring. And I know we see some of the best eliminations
do not require a big setup or anything like the poll wrestle is literally just
a broomstick, Like just give them a stick and that's all, you know
what I mean. It's not these extensive set pieces like we've seen, or
even stuff like stuff that requires more like endurance, like seeing Rachel versus Card
an endurance contest would be great, yes war yeah yeah, or the one
where they're both attached to like rubber bands and yeah, love any of those
sorts of things. It doesn't have to be a haul browl. It doesn't
have to be a real physical thing. It could be the endurance that would
have been fun. So and I think I'm always the one that defends production
the most here, but like, I think what you guys are saying legal
is they have to have those challenges as far as I know, like those
elmations determined before they know what's going in, because otherwise we have paths is
going and they like, we want to rig it for this person. Let's
get them this that they're good at. You've said, you've brought that up
before, Zach I challenge. I'm not sure that that's a I'm not sure
you're right. I don't think that they have to do it so that they
keep it fair. I think they have to do it just so that liability
wise, they don't have multiple different things and they're changing things at HOC.
I think that's more of the reason, but I don't know. It's still
annoying. Uh So. The game is called Star Slice. There is a
giant board with a bunch of pictures of stars and pictures of Rachel and Kara
and random star random squares that say things like stand on one foot or take
five step five feet forward or whatever, and it's all dumb yeah yeah,
throwing stars things, and they have the ladies have to throw the stars at
it. They have to hit each other's pictures three times if they hit their
own. That's a point for the opposite player. Yeah, it's this isn't
even worth the amount of time the week, No car wins, Rachel goes
home. Yeah, it's embarrassing. Rechil goes home. They spend the first
like ten throws basically chucking it over to the side or to the ground.
How do you feel about this? This being the way your gender is represented,
Carlin? Are you okay with this? I think this would have been
how the guys were represented a too. I mean, in all honesty,
I think it would have been fucking awful either way, maybe like a Josh
And in all reality, I wouldn't be surprised if we see the guys play
this game at a later date, because they reuse these things. Yeah,
it was alimation. It's awful. So yeah, Cara wins, Rachel leaves.
Kara nicknames herself Stara Maria, which I kind of liked. I kind
of like that too, me too. And so since she already has a
star, she doesn't need to take Rachel Starr for herself, so she takes
Rachel Starr and she kind of looks the whole line up and hm, who
should I give this to? And ultimately ends up giving it to Jasmine to
put a target on her back. Smart, right, I think, so,
yeah, that's what I thought. I think it's a smart move.
Cam has the last confessional of the entire episode, and she says Kara was
not playing it, was not playing start smart. She should have played it
where she gave it to another strong player because she wasn't being strategic at all.
I think, Cam, No, that's just you wanting to get a
star for free. Kara absolutely played it smart, like this is an easy
star for anyone to go after. Now, there is no downside to giving
it to Jasmine. No, somebody else will think she's an easy target to
take it from because even if they go down to compete against Jasmine, they
will more than likely beat her in just about anything. Yea. And if
if that's not even an option and they compete and they steal the star from
Jasmine, Jasmine has zero power to getting a retaliation, zero recording. And
on top of that, if they go down against someone else and the stars
that are available are Jazz or Kara, there is a ninety nine point chance
they're gonna take it from Jazz. Right now, if we were like two
episodes. If we were two episodes away from the final I would say,
take Car's star. Yeah, but we're not there. Handtake who you go
against at the end yeaheah, but we're not there yet. There's still so
much time if people can steal the stars, yes, so really quickly before
we move on to episode five, Uh, Zachi Bananas, do you have
a quick breakdown of what the host game was at the end of last episode?
I do one second, pull that up, So okay, here we
get episode four. At the end of episode four, Uh in last place,
but moving up was Wolfy with twenty three points, and third place with
twenty four points was Big Uncle Sweet Teeth. By one, you're about one
point above Tim at twenty five was Carlin San Diego and then UH at forty
three points. Is Zachy Bananas rigged? Rigged? Yes? I would like
an uh separate judging system to come in and yeahs so so like for example,
last week, you know, you get four points if you have a
player in the winning team dead five winners. I had three of the five
on my teams. I got twelve points to that. I just want to
point out on the on the online website one that we still set up anyway,
I was coming in first, so I called Shenanigans all things judging,
Yes, I was coming first. I called Shenanigans because you had dramatic players.
I had good players. Yeah, I don't remember. I believe part
of the game, right, Social things all part of the game. That's
what people like to say. Yeah, I believe last episode we Stove was
still winning. But I can't. I can't find that. I can't see
it now. Wait no, yeah, Stove was still winning after last week.
All right, so week four? Ummmm, oh no, this isn't
total points. This is just for last week. Never mind. I think
I'm out of the running for the host one. By the way, I
think i'm I don't think there's any possible way I can catch up because all
my people are gone. Now I've only got two players left in the game.
Yeah number one. Look at you, wolf Yeah, look at that
Wolfe. Yeah. So last last week, you you still had three people
last week, Yeah, I'm done to two. Yeah, this week you
now only have Brad and Kavla. All right, Cafla and Brad left.
Yeah, but what if they get if they get one in two, like
you could get over twenty points for that. I come in front and we'll
see I just everybody else has so many more players than me. How am
I supposed to come back now? As far as is now the only one
with all six players still in the in the game. That is true.
So episode five, all right, Yes, episode five, So we're starting
back at the house. They're coming back in from cars. When Jasmine says
that she's thankful for the stars, she at this point still thinks it's a
good thing to have the star and she and Brandon sit down on the couch
and kind of talk to each other, validate, or as I would call
it, masturbate about why throwing car Maria and was indeed the right thing to
do. I don't know, trying to convince each other of that, but
I wonder if the doubt is already in their brains again, So it's the
right move if she had gone home, Yeah, but she didn't. Yeah,
that's the that's the bet you make. Yeah. We get scenes of
LeRoy's styling Adam's hair flashback to him. Yes, has been there, that's
right. I did not talk about it as weirdly as Adam talked about it,
though, did you guys catch this he's talking about cutting hair is like
a, yeah, he likes to sit up here and then for no reason.
Sorry, it's just an example. No, no, no, it's
just just more examples of why I hate Adam. I just don't like.
Everything about him seems insincere to me. I don't like him. I don't
like how he talked about this haircut. I don't know he grives mean nuts.
Anybody else had these thoughts about about Adam that I have. I don't
really care about him one way or the other. I think on this panel,
I'm the one that likes Adam and loves Steve. Yeah, Steve is
just fucking creepy to me. Me too. I kind of get Adam's point,
though, I know, Tim, you don't really care. But it
is interesting to see people who are sort of doing their thing. Like,
you know, we're not here, we're not barbers but seeing Leroy, who
owns his own barbershop down stuff and that's seeing him do his thing is like
probably interesting and motivating, like especially if they were talking about it while it
was happening. Yeah, and I couldn't remember the context in which you were
talking about him. Uh yeah, Like where he's talking about how he was,
you know, given the story, and then also kind of yeah,
I you know, I didn't actually mind how he was talking about that,
because I feel like a lot of a lot of hairstylists, when you're sitting
there in a chair, especially if there's someone that you know, like you're
having an actual conversation with them, a lot of times they're telling you about
their day, they're telling you about their lives, you're telling them about yours.
Like I didn't actually mind it. Yeah, I don't know. I
also just don't have any real feelings one way or the other about Adam at
this point in time. I just hate Adam. I'm looking for reasons to
hate him. But I remember the apprecio you guys were talking about Drupal and
all that shit. Yeah that's how Tim feels, I guess is how I
felt, fair enough. Uh. But this this is also where Leroy talks
about being a father and how important that is to him, and loved it.
Loved my boy Leroy. He talked about men experienced PPD two, which
I thought was very interesting. I did not even ever think about Yeah,
I never in a million years would have thought that, Like it makes sense
it's Yeah, it's less like hormonal than the woman's obviously, but some of
the struggles were the same, like lack of sleep and just huge life upheaval
and you know, yeah it's different. Yeah, but then Camp comes in
and she talks about how proud she's of Leroy and that men hide their feelings,
they don't like to talk about things and be expressive and all that ship.
But Leroy is learning how to do that. He's in therapy, he's
doing all the fun stuff. They yeahsation, he was va. Yeah,
he was very clear about the fact that he was in therapy and that he
was trying to better himself. That he didn't want to be an absentee father,
and they didn't want to have He didn't want his kids to have the
same experience with the father that he had. Yeah, the same, the
same like insincerity that I see see from Adam, I see like super sincerity
from Leroy. Everything that guy says is like he believes it, he feels
it. Like Leroy has always been that way. Yeah, Yes, I've
always felt that way about him, Like he's always been very very sincere in
what he's saying. Yes, he's a very authentic person. A good job,
right, at least half of us in here. I've been in therapy,
so we always support. We get Laurel and Nicole wrestling on the carpet.
I had major flashbacks of cutthroat to her doing this to Paula, and
anybody else have these flashbacks, no, doing this to Kara, la Paula,
Laurel. Laurel and Paula did like a big wrestling thing, and then
Laurel ended up ripping Paula's clothes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I
think we want to go back and watch it now. You see maybe some
some you know, I don't know, it's weird seeing it again. Maybe
maybe Laura was kind of into Paula too, about not comfortable expressing that at
the time, and now she is into Laurel. I could see it.
I'm sorry, Laurel. I could see Laurel being the type that wrestles the
girls that she likes a Laurel thing, but this is this whole thing.
Was another example of Nicole like needing to just shut it down rather than like
basically she needed to give a firm stop, like we need to not do
this, rather than like I feel like you're teching me you're pulling off my
clothes. He Nicole has a choice phrase that I thought was very interesting.
She says that they're on a roller coaster together, but quote don't know how
to get off. If I was a producer, I would say, like,
let's let's phrase that differently, Nicole. That sounds horrible in context.
Yeah, I think that was the point. Yeah, but Laurrea just can't
resist. She's all up in Nicole's business. Flora even tries to squash things.
What do you think about seeing Flora at Flora in this capacity of a
I forgot that she was there relationship mentor too, forgot that she was there.
I thought that she was one hundred percent correct on everything she was telling
Nicole, and I think Nicole knew that she was one hundred percent correct and
was not super thrilled on being called out on it. She got defensive a
little bit, but sort of accepted it. Yeah, you're right. Flora
like no, no, She's like something, and she's like, well,
yeah, okay, I see what you're saying. She accepted it in the
same way that a fuck boy accepts it. Yeah, yes, this is
a this is a Corey. Corey would have accepted it the same way.
Yeah, yes, yes, like he would have said, Okay, that's
probably true, and then he would have still fucked around with them. Yeah.
What I thought was very weird. During this conversation between Flora and Nicole,
it would cut to scenes of Laurel in that like bright red bikini,
just like doing shit. But it was all slow motion and put together very
weirdly, and it may be uncomfortable anybody else, and it made me feel
something, but wasn't uncomfortable. I was like, Damn, Laurel's looking good.
Honestly, Laurel's always had a fucking bang and body. I don't even
like Laurel. She's an attractive woman. Yeah, I'm not a huge fan
of her face, but she's got a great body. Oh I think if
her face is pretty same, I'm I'm not a fan. Kara is talking
to Leroy about Cam and car is just basically saying like, I don't like
how things are between me and Cam, what's going on? And Lero just
says, I don't fucking I'm go talk to her. Uh so where she
does? Smart made no no progress. This is the conversation between Kara Cam
progress. Yeah, Brandon comes in towards the end, I guess let's rehash
this again. Guys, who's right, Who's wrong? Kara, Cam,
Brandon's in on this, what's going on? Honestly, this is this is
where Kara started acting more entitled than she needed to be. And yeah,
it made me kind of backtrack a bit on being super excited about Kara.
They both were acting entitled and it's just ridiculous. I'm Kim Kara and all
of this dittoh Zach, all right, I'm glad me and you, and
like, I think you know Cam, you know Cam, the votes were
already there, Like Cam got what she wanted. It's kind of the same
thing we said with the Tina this past episode of like if the vote's already
like determined and you can't change it, just throw your vote away. And
then with Brandon, like at first time, I'm Brandon side, I was
like, that's kind of messed up that she wouldn't reach out for all those
years. But I thought about, like I have friends from high school that
I see once every ten years, but like when we get back together,
it's like, hey, we're back to how we were, you know,
senior year of high school. Like we're tight again, Like I'm not gonna
screw you, but they're not high school friends. No, they're freshman friends.
Same thing exactly. No, it's not. Yeah, I know,
I agree. I think that you can not see somebody for ten years and
still consider that person a friend. I agree. But high school friends,
yes, I don't think that's the same for Challenge friends because these people,
Like one, these people a lot of times, are a lot less time
spent together. But two, if you are part of the Challenge family,
there are so many people who are in this family that if you want to
keep in touch with them, it's really easy. Yeah, it's really easy
in this group. But also like is they go ahead? No, go
for it? Oh, I was gonna say, Like and if there had
been one of those things where like fresh meat to enter they're lasting together and
they went and like never spoke again, I'd be a little bit more understanding.
But like I have photos of me in Vegas with Kara and Brandon together
where Kara like traveled to Vegas to hang out with Brandon, So like there
was that foundation just you know, off the show years ago. This was
back in like twenty twelve, so like twelve years ago. But there was
some history like of them hanging out outside the show, sure, which I
understand. But I feel like a high school relationship is a lot more of
less strong foundation of someone that you see every day for at least nine months
out of the year and you grow up together and you experience a lot of
the same things. When you meet someone on a show and then you filmed
for like three months and then you all fly off. Even if you do
meet up throughout the year or whatever, that closest is not gonna be the
same. It is not even remotely close. No, But I don't think
it's I don't think it's unreasonable also to think, well, I know Brandon
from eight years ago, and yeah, we're not super super close, but
this other person is a stranger who he doesn't know at all, so of
course he's gonna sort of be on my side. Like that seems like a
reasonable Yeah, it's a reasonable assumption, does it? Does it seem reasonable?
I think so? Yeah, yes, because that is what Cam told
Kara if you have my back because we are friends, and Cara is like,
now I'm gonna I'm gonna side with Rachel. And then when Cam got
upset, you guys were like, well, she should just get over it.
But I feel like influenced the vote and and and voted that way and
made vote that way versus Car who had no impact. Mm hmm, I
disagree. I think Rachel and Carr were going in no matter what with his
voter without his vote, So I feel maybe the same situation maybe, But
then I mean, I guess I what I would like Brandon to say is
like, hey, I threw you in as a game move. If you
don't like it, Like, I'm sorry that you don't like it. I
don't like that. He he just sort of got got low also with like
we haven't talked in eight years. You didn't come from me in my divorce.
You didn't blah blah blah blah blah. It's like all right, man,
Like, yeah, I don't think that. In this conversation, I
felt like his his nonsee where his like Peanut Gallery ship didn't need to happen.
He didn't need to say any of that would need to be there for
those It was okay for Car to have hurt feelings about this, right,
Like Carl was a little hurt, That's okay, that's like an appropriate reaction.
No, no. As we've said before, when people say, hey,
it's just a game move, it's not personal, and then I didn't
say that, and in fact, he got more personal with you didn't and
stuff he got last episode. Last episode, he's like, I'm not gonna
lie. I said your name, and she freaked out, started crying,
ran off, And now when she's confronting him with why would you do that?
We were best friends, we were so good friends, and so he
has to justify, Okay, it was just a game move, but if
you want to get personal about it, this is maybe some of the reasons
why maybe our friendship isn't as strong as you seem to think it is.
Okay, this is a petty version of Brandon. I'm not used to that.
I'm not used to petty. It's also a petty version of petty version
of which I hate awful. So I'm gonna push back on lof some.
So I have the votes from last week pulled up, and we know that
Tina voted last. Going into Tina'sville, Let's say Brandon den vote for her
in like for car Maen, like Rachel and Flora. Instead, Flora and
Carl Maria would be tied with two votes each, Tina would get to decide.
Do we think Tina's going to choose to send Kara in against Rachel or
Flora? Just get some Flora because that's the easier thing. So technically Brandon
could have saved Cara. Yeah, but we also don't know if the nominations
the week before or the what was it two weeks before, whatever it was
when Kara voted Cam or didn't vote Cam's way, we didn't know that if
that was actually going to influence the votes or not. Then we don't know
if they if that was actually the order that they voted in. So it's
just I mean, I think it's been concerned now that Kara did vote last,
and she knew it wouldn't everybody knew that it wouldn't impact anything. And
yes, okay, but what were the votes after Brandon voted? Brandon voted
first? Any Yeah, the vote after Brandon, so it was Brandon was
great, It was first with Rachel and Kara, then it was Verona and
Kara, Rachel and Flora, Rachel and Kara. Rachel and Kara were the
votes. What were the votes before Tina before they were two for three for
Rachel two for Kara, one for Veronica, one for Flora. They were,
yeah, no, there's three for Rachel, three for Kara, one
Veronica one Flora. Yeah. Sorry, Yeah. So if we take away
one of those Carra votes, let's say Brandon votes for Flora instead of Kara,
it'd be three for Rachel, two for Kara, two for Flora.
Tina gets to the side between Flora and car which one goes against Rachel.
I mean, he was the first vote, so everybody else it wasn't just
his fault. I think that you're trying to play this specifically on him and
it's not. Well, I don't think it's specifically on him, But I
think that's where the comparison breaks down. Is that Kara knew she would not
influence the vote and so didn't. And I wonder if she could have influence
to vote, if she would have made a different decision with Cam. We
don't know. And I think was Brandon not only Brandon not only had the
opportunity to influence the vote, he seemed like this the spearhead guy like arranged
it and endorsed it and was the first to say it. It just seems
it seems different. And I don't like it's a game move. So whatever.
But here's the other thing is that there this conversation is happening with Cam,
like Cam and Carr were the original two in this conversation, and last
week there is a conversation between Nicole and Cam that I just talked about,
where Cam says, are we gonna are you guys gonna go for big players?
Like where I'm when jed, what is it? So hold on a
second, it's Jazz asks Cam and Laurel if they're planning on going not Nicole,
Cam and Laurel if they're planning on going down for the star. Laurel
says it depends on the game, and Cam says, either way, is
the middle group going to vote in strong players? So the fact that this
whole thing happened with Cam being pissed off at Carl already because Cara couldn't influence
a vote, but she didn't throw her towel in on Cam's side. Instead
she went with Rachel Like it's it's just all of that, there's too many
emotions around something that they all would have done the exact same thing that they
did if they were in each other's places. Well, I think personally,
I think Cam is looking for a reason to throw Kara and Laura and any
of these strong women. And Cam's looking for a reason, and that was
her reason, and it's it's hollow and it doesn't really make sense, but
I think that's it. She admitted that though she's like, well now I
want you to go home, right, But she's still putting that on,
like, well, because you didn't back up my vote, but it's like
you still got what you wanted, Cam, Like I didn't need to back
it up. You got what you wanted. Iout the point like they're supposed
to be friends and Kara didn't back her up. Now car is like,
Brad, we were friends, why didn't you back me up? But I
think this is doing the same thing. Well, we won't. We can't
rewrite history because we don't know because if it would have made a difference,
we don't know what Kara would have done. Here's my thoughts that were voted
that when she when she didn't have any power, couldn't make a difference.
I mean, so wolf Zone is gonna get this. I think Cam knew
she had the votes without Kara. Basically, though Carra is known as like
the female face of the show, and Cam wanted Kara to be like the
Rock and acknowledge her and say, you are now the tribal chief, you
are the queen of the show, and I am your minion, and Cars
like, yeah, I'm not. I'm not proclaiming you as the new queen
whatever. So we could move on from we just move on, Team car
Marian, that's right, Okay. So basically they were all acting like brats
and annoyed the funk out of me. Yeah, I agree. Uh.
In the end, they accomplished nothing with this conversation, probably made it worse,
and we accomplished exactly. And hey, with that, we're onto the
challenge and it's another throw back a challenge. This one's called Bobblehead bob Sled.
We saw this one in the duel too. Uh. They put a
thing on their heads. I don't know. This one gets weird because TJ
races through the thing and then there's water dumping out and I don't know,
you guys will see it. I don't need to go over their rules.
Have we ever seen TJ participate in a challenge before? No, not like
this, not like this. This is cool seeing him go down the thing
fun. TJ probably saw that and Captain it was just like, how do
I get to do this multiple timesire a helmet? I totally get to do
this. And for anyone who doesn't know, it was one of those big
mountain slides where you're sitting on a little bob sled thing that you get to
control the break. Because we are a recap podcast him and not everybody has
seen the episode. A lot of people know a lot of people. I
have done this before where you don't actually watch the episode, you just listen
to the recap podcast. I'm gonna assume they've watched the duel too, and
remember the it's a good one. I had no idea what this challenge was.
I assume the dual Toobe. I probably can't tell you a single challenge
from that shop on top of my safe. I guess I have seen that
season, but I don't remember this at all. Remember remember scring bobble Heads.
There are ivy bags hanging from some ropes across the track. On their
way down, they have to grab the iv bags as they're going down.
The more iv bags they grab, the more water they have to put into
their cylinder. At the end of the game. At the end of the
track that is currently being it currently is filled with water, but as soon
as TJ gets down there, he opens a little valve and it starts letting
the water out. Yeah. Uh. I really like it when the players
they talk about their strategy, and I like it when they just use that
to talk about the rules of the game. So brad strategy is, We're
gonna go as fast as we can. We're gonna get whatever water we can,
we're gonna fill it up as much as much as possible, and we're
gonna try to do it faster. It's like, uh, yes, that's
point of the game. Thank you. The winner of the It's like,
uh yeah. And Brad says he's got a He's done this before. He
did this on the duel too, so he's like, I got a leg
up on this one. I'm gonna be fine, which is crazy because like,
how do you possibly play this game one time seventeen years ago and think
to yourself, Oh, fuck it, I got this, Guys, I
got this. Don't even worry about Brady. I love this Brad, love
this guy. But a total disaster on this on this competition. He's just
flying down that mountain. Oh and knocking them all off and shit, just
like just yeah, Nicole screaming at him from two people back. And I
swear this had to be the outside of the barfing, which it absolutely hits
me. This this had to be the hardest I've ever laughed. And the
challenge it was pretty good. Fuck this up over and over again. I
would have done it also though, people. I remember the first time I
saw someone like stop or slid the Paul down, I was like, oh,
you can do that. That's thought. You had to do the bratta.
We just had to keep going, grab him on the move. Yeah.
No, the stopping seemed like the smarter, the smartest strategy. It
did. You would you would think that after the after the first one,
when you're just flying down and they all go flying in different directions, but
maybe you'd either one slow down or two like duck and try to not hit
the next few because you're going too fast and just hope that your teammates get
them. Yeah, regroup change strategies after the after the first two go poorly.
But instead it was just he fucked up every conceivable way. His big
bobblehead was knocking them off. He was grabbing them and they were flying everywhere.
It was just a mess. It was wonderful. Oh man, it
was hysterical to watch. Oh god, it was great. I love seeing
Cole just screaming at him, knowing that he cannot hear a fucking word.
She saying, well, so speaking of the scream, So at this point,
the it's over right, they're done, they've dumped in the water,
They've they've done as well as they can do. And uh, Nicole is
still a fuck and going nuts on Brad. At what point? At what
point is it is? Like is it too much? I mean, at
that point in time, there was no point in yelling at him anymore because
it was too late, Like you couldn't do shit. And he was very
apologetic. He was just like, I know, I fucked it up.
Sorry, guys, I know. Yeah, yeah, Leroy got pissed.
But we're not used to seeing Leroy being pissed. That was new. That
happens only ever once in a while, yeah, very few and far between.
I felt bad for Brad, I really did. You could tell he
this like hit him and impacted him. Yeah, I mean, he did
fuck up pretty hardcore he did. And yet just a very hilarious way all
right, So from then on out, I don't know. I don't have
a lot else to say about this. We see Adam pushing Veronica up the
hill. Veronica says that she needs somebody to sort of help push her,
but she can do more than she thinks if somebody is there to push her.
What think? I agree? I agree. When ct was yelling at
her that one season, she seemed way more motivated than she usually does.
Yeah, we'll see. I don't know. She does not seem final ready
to me, but well, no, no, no, no, no,
she's not gonna do well no, but running up the hill. She
ran up the hill better than she would have if Adam wasn't pushing, because
Adam was literally pushing. Yeah. I have a note here about Carra's Boston
accent. Anybody else noticed her Boston accent? It's gotten thicker and thicker and
thicker every tecking episode. Yeah, I think so too. This it was
super noticeable. I've always been able to pick little glimpses here and there throughout
all the years, but this is it seems to she seems to really be
laying it on hard now days. I agree, it seems obnoxiously thick this
episode, which is insane because she lives in Montana. Yeah, I agree,
you would have thought that that shit would have like calm down a bit.
Yep, because she's been living in Montana for like, I don't know,
fifteen years, long time. Yeah, she used that as an excuse
why she doesn't keep up with Brandon. She says, when she's home,
she hermit us hermit, she becomes a hermit. Yeah, you know,
this whole thing was funny. What did you guys think of her team strategy
where they had the first person to go down the hill would get the last
bags, the last person would get the first bags. I thought it was
smart and they stopped kind of stopped and grabbed all three bags as they were
doing it, rather than flying by them. Yeah. Strategically, I think
they had the right idea, go slow, get every single bag, and
make it up on the on the filling up side of the challenge. Yeah,
strategically for how we understood the rules. Yeah, get to that in
a second. Well, we're here, uh TJ remind us reminds us at
the end, it is not whoever has the most water, it's whoever has
the most amount of water the fastest. So it is a combination of time
TJ reminded us, and a nice voiceover recorded after all this was done,
which is why I called bullshit on this fucking challenge. What do you call
the pot it? Because I think they just decided no, we told him
one thing, like did he explain it this way when he was explaining everything.
I mean, he did say it at the beginning. It did get
said at the beginning of the game. But I don't know if that one
was a voiceover or not, because if there was a lot of cutting in
and out from him to other people, so it could have been a voiceover
or him saying it to him. So I don't know if they saw it
as or they heard it as it was just the most water. Yeah,
that's the way I understood it when I was watching it, and I'll give
you a pass that I was I don't know, by looking at my phone
or something and maybe wasn't paying super close attention. But from my understanding,
it was whoever has the most water wins. The only thing that might disagree
with that is when the last team was looking at all the heights of water,
they did not immediately say who won. They were more sort of like,
oh, that team has more water than me and this team, you
know what I mean, Like they were and Cam's team when they when they
filled theirs, they were like, oh, well, we we're definitely in
the top two. Like look at that, we're up there, We're definitely
in the top two. Yeah. So I think they must have known that
time was a factor. Yeah, I just don't think they realized how much
of a factor it was or how it was going to play into it.
Yeah, because the the Orange team won, and I don't feel like they
focus on the Orange team. We didn't see them in any real capacity.
Orange team was yes, Cam, Steve, Tina, Kefla, and Derek
they are the winners. So because of that, Kefla tells us the only
star that is vulnerable as Adams. So it's during during their run someone said
that Derek was a fucking monster at grabbing those bags, that he had some
serious skill there, so that he might be it might actually be able to
do pretty well when in future games as well. If this was any indication,
unlike Ryan who lost one in his shirt forgot about it down there,
I wish they would have told us what impact that would have had like,
would that have pushed them over the edge to win? You know, it
would have been nice to see it really would have been, because that seemed
like a major screw up. But we never We don't know Red is the
middle group. I don't have the names as to who is Red. It
doesn't matter, No, it sure doesn't. Car isn't it. And right
away Brandon's like, ah, fuck, God damn it. And Kara says
right away she's getting back in the house. She's like, Hey, I'm
gunning for Leroy and Brandon. So it all fucking worked out because they're at
the bottom and I can gun for both of them at the same time.
So yes, this kind of seemed like another like this is pretty sat in
Stone. The moment that the game ends, nobody was fighting. I think
everybody knew the middle group just for everyone knows eighth Adam, Kara, j
and Veronica. Okay, yeah that sounds right. More dad stuff, guys,
who else excited about challenge? Dad stuff? Yeah? All right,
just me Brandon talking to his kids. Uh so cute, my dad.
Adorable. My kids are too old to talk like that anymore. But it
was adorable, and it reminded me of olden days. I did love that
he told his closet walk working in Wakanda. Yeah that was cute doing superhero
ship. Is that what he said? Yeah? Uh yeah, So Brandon,
I like Brandon. I really I think Brandon and I could be buddies.
You know. He just seems like a very just like chill dude.
I love our kids could play. It'd be great. We see more Laurel
and Nicole. They're like making out and ship. Gross Uh. Jay's grossed
out of the taking out in bed no less like in bed at night,
lights off covers over them. I don't think they were making that. I
mean they were I don't think that's all they were doing. No, it
wasn't all they were doing. What else were they doing? Scissoring? Oh
the rainbow. So Nicole has a very awkward conversation with Laurel and Carl and
I think this is where I'm coming off, where I'm coming from with this
whole thing. Nicole says basically like, hey, we have a boundary here.
We're not supposed to be doing relationship stuff here. We can do this
outside of the show, but right now we're here to win this money.
Let's just focus on the money, let's not talk about us for now.
So that was her sort of half hearted attempt to sort of put this thing
out. But that's after how many episodes of them fucking around, flirting in
the same bed, all of these different things. I'm not saying she did
it on time. I'm just saying, like she did it, yeah.
I mean, here she's trying to set up a boundary, but we're going
to see how well that boundary actually goes because we still haven't gotten the scene
of them kissing. So this is and I guess this is the heart of
my question is if you say that to a grown fucking woman and then the
grown woman like the don't listening, just does whatever anyway, aren't you sort
of like relieved of all sort of responsibility. No, it's still supposed to
be your boundary. You were still supposed to uphold your side of that boundary,
and it's it. I mean, if and if the previews are any
indication of the rest of the season, like there's obviously still going to be
flirting, there's still a kiss that we haven't seen, Like this is Nicole
putting up boundaries but then not holding her own side of those boundaries. It's
more like she's suggesting to Laurel to put up boundaries, because I don't think
Nicole is as is going to be get as twisted and been out of shape
as this is as Laurel is. Right, No, I agree. It
seems like Nicole is saying, like, hey, you better watch out because
this is going to go poorly for you. And uh, this reminds me,
and Laurel doesn't, Yeah, doesn't watch out. This reminds me of
Tim's love life, where you know, Tim's out here being like, hey,
no relationship, no romance, and if you know this is just a
physical thing only if you're cool, that sign on board. But if you
catch them, that's not my problem. I kind of that's kind of where
my parallel is, like at some point my responsibility and Nicole stops right of
like I've said the thing I've expressed, but you say it in the like
you were setting the boundary of I don't want more than feeling. I still
want this physical relationship, but I don't want the feelings that might come with
it. Like the feelings part of it is not a thing. Nicole is
saying, I don't want any of this. We don't want the feeling side.
We don't want the relationship side, we don't want the physical side,
and then not upholding her side of that bargain, You're still upholding your side
of the bargain by saying that you don't want the feeling side, you just
want the physical. Yeah, you also would are not saying it to somebody
you've been in a long term relationship with the right This is also true relationship
that ended badly where neither of you like had closure from right. Yes,
now I think I'm looking at it with the full like scope and nuance that
maybe Laurel is not looking at it as because when I hear Nicole say those
things, what I hear Nicole say is like, be careful because like this
is not going to go well, Like this is gonna this is gonna hurt
you. I don't know that I hear her saying be careful. I think
I hear her. I mean, I can kind of get that she'd be
saying that, but I think I kind of my example, my example,
Tim would be like if your ex girlfriend from the recent past suddenly you two
were, like, I don't know, wrestling around on the floor, because
apparently that's why doing weird shit, and you straight up told her like,
look, this isn't going to be a thing, and then you still did
all this stuff with her. Anyway, would you feel like you had no
responsibility in heightening her expectations that you might get back together. I would have
yes, I should not. My responsibility would be yes, I would have
some reson. Yeah. To put it in real terms, if you went
out to a bar and saw your most recent X at said bar, and
you guys were having a friendly conversation, catching up on each other's lives,
and in said conversation you said this is all that this is going to be,
Like, I don't, this isn't going to go any farther, and
then you guys ended up going home together and sleeping together and waking up next
to each other the next day. There's a much higher chance that she's going
to look at it like, oh, there might actually be some longevity here,
like this may not be just a one mite thing, right, So
yeah, I get it, I yeah, I get it. And Nichole
should back off. I get it. I get I mean they should vote
back off. No, no is taken away from Laurel either. But that's
the thing I don't. I I just don't want it to be like,
God, Laurel or Nicole is such a player and Laurel is I mean,
Nicole is such a player. Well, I know, but Laurel. I
don't think Laurel is a victim. I think Laurel kind of at least should
know what she's getting herself into, almost a forty old woman. She should
have some She should be a big, big girl and figure this out.
I also think a lot of it comes down to like who's instigating, Because
if Nicole's like, hey, we can't do this, but then it's chasing
Laurel around, that doesn't look good. If Nicole's like trying and keep our
distance and Laurel's like the lost puppy dog that won't like stop following her,
it's kind of like, you know, I'm not trying to initiate this.
I'm trying to say there's a real easy thing to say, and it's no.
Yeah, but I think Laurel. I think Nicole wants to mess around.
I think I think Nicole can do that with sort of fewer feelings.
Yeah, she can do it with fewer feelings, but then she shouldn't try
to set the boundary if we shouldn't do this. She should set the boundary
of you are going to get hurt. I'm game to do this if it's
just going to be a physical thing, but I don't want the relationship out
of it. She should set that boundary. Yeah, but being that she's
trying to set the boundary of we shouldn't do this because we will get hurt
and we are having an issue. Yeah, it's that's yeah, I get
it, I get it. They're both horrible. Yeah, let's move on.
Okay, nominations, that's a short one, cars A, Brandon,
and Lee. Everyone just sort of agrees, except for Jay, who throws
one on Ryan. He does not want to vote for Lee. Other than
that, non surprising Lee and Brandon. That's it. On to the elimination.
Yeah, all of these nominations in the last few episodes have been real
quick things. They seem to know before they even get in there. Half
the time they know before they even start to finish the game. Yep,
no surprises, I think, Yeah, pint of having such a small group
of people doing the voting, it's like there's not a law of room for
craziness because you know, there's so few votes. Yeah, I kind of
like it, though, bad news, guys. I did not write down
the name of this competition. Do you guys know what this one? No,
it's something about Mission impossible, but I don't know a bullshit it's a
bullshit elimination. Yeah, kind of stupid. Another non physical one. We
haven't seen one like this though. It's kind of cool. They're hanging like
with the men. It required a little bit more endurance, but I would
so much rather see them trying to dig in the sand than I would carrying
like a weird puzzle from I'm starting to wonder against each other. I want
to see people going against each other, not against themselves individuals. I'm also
starting to wonder if some of our problems with some of these eliminations that we
always say looks fun to do not fun to watch. I feel like some
of that may be the editing. Because Tim and Zach could back me up.
There's a very similar competition like this on Survivor, but it's like a
table thing instead of being instead of being hung, those things are suspenseful as
fuck, but it's basically the exact same thing, except they're not hanging from
the ceiling. It's just trying to manipulate balls into holes you using like a
table that's on a pivot or whatever. And those competitions are like suspenseful and
just like holy shit, who's going to get it? So I think they're
just shitty editors working on this show. I can agree. And it's it's
called mission improbable. Okay okay, asked earlier, if I would date Nicole.
No, I would not date Nicole. I would I was gonna say
so, I have a jersey from the volleyball thing we did that Nicole sign
said to my one and only boyfriend. So either I used to date her
or I am parently. I'm not sure how that works. I wonder how
many times she's written that on People's Choice? Would you never date any of
the female Carlin? Would you date any of the female competitors? Oh?
Would I not date Nicole, but someone who acted like Nicole? I am
pretty sure I have dated someone who acted like Nicole. I definitely have dated
someone who acted like Nicole. I wouldn't do it again. You're not answering
my question, though, would do women on the show or would I date
any of anyone any of the trying to find out female Wolf. Don't say
female. I'm just trying. No, I'm trying to ask specifically female if
she would date any of the females on the show. Carra from twenty eleven
cut Throat Kara. No. I think Kara would be fun to play with
in bed. Honestly, I feel like the only ones that would actually be
like decent people to date would be Rachel or Veronica. I think Sarah Grayson
Avery, No, I have nothing. I don't care about Sarah Grayson.
You don't care about Sarah Grayson. Crazy. Look, I'm just trying to
get our download numbers up. So Carlin, if you start talking about your
Lesbian Challenge fantasies and we promote the I mean I would it'd be it'd be
fun to have a fling with Kara. I know you could probably hook that
up, carl They do those sex to her things. You could make that
happen. No, I don't actually can we can? We can? We
use the challenge money and send Carlin and Carlin Carlin start only fans. Start
just the stories for the podcast, that's all. I don't need photos or
videos, but the stories would be good Forget the stories, we need video
of it and we'll put for like one hundred dollars a month on Patreon,
A hundred hundred better than she doesn't want to deal with Polly though, and
Casas Turbo will be there because he shows up to them too. And Brittany,
I know if she still does that. She's married, but oh,
Carra or Casey Casey, I feel like she's should be more fun to date
than Kara. Carr would just be crazy. Yeah, car I think car
is a lunatic. Casey's boring as ship, but I like boring in a
relationship. Yeah, I like boring too. Yeah, all right, well,
hey, they're getting these balls into the things, guys. I don't
know, it's it is interesting that Brandon gets so far ahead and then Leroy
comes back. Yeah, Leroy kind of got all five of his into the
middle Brandon kind of one at a time. I think that was a better
strategy, yep, rather than trying to like, I don't know, well,
obviously it seemed to be a better strategy. But yeah, it was
kind of surprising that Brandon took such an early, like really big lead.
Paired with that and then all of the Leroy attention from earlier on the episode
when Brandon when it was three nothing Brandon, I I was like, fuck
by Leroy, like that's it, Yeah, he's gone. Yeah, that's
true. Leroy had confessionals about his kids. I mean, I guess both
of them talked to kids, and it was hard to tell. It was
hard to I was back and forth under who was going home. They did
do a pretty decent job. They've been doing a pretty decent job on kind
of hiding burying the lead on Who's going home? Yep, yep, they
did a good job. It has been quite as easy to pick. Yeah.
But this is when Leroy talks about he dedicates his win to Kingson.
He talks about how proud he is to be a black father and how he's
breaking that generational curse. Did LeRoy's dad walk out on him? Do we
know about LeRoy's dad? That's what it sounds like Leroy. In one of
the challenges, le Roy says that he loves his daddy, Yeah, and
that kiss for He says, I don't know he wanted to be a father.
I remember it because he said daddy. Yeah. I don't remember that.
I think this episode, when you talked about Sonny said I want to
be a father to him the way my dad was to me. But then
he I didn't I don't remember him saying that, but he said he broke
the generational curse. Yeah, so I don't know if it was his his
biological father walked out him. Maybe a stepdad raised him, or maybe maybe
we are conflating, maybe aren't actually true. I don't I'm not really sure.
Maybe it's Cam's dad too. We don't know too. Oh Lero has
adopted Ryan says, okay, speak Hi Ryan, Ryan, I'm gonna be
in uh Ohio in July. Well hang out, You're gonna be in Ohio
like you said you'd be in Minnesota next this week. Yeah, same Ama,
Who's start? Who started? Who starred as Leroy take early July?
Ryan early Adams having a different conversation. He takes, He takes Adams star.
Oh, he's just left the conversation entirely. I'm reading the t I
can only do one thing at a time. Yeah, it takes Adams.
Sorry, Adam's not super upset about it. But then he also says,
he also says, you know, we're good. Just that gives me permission
to take it back. There was some hop it's the attitude that you need
to have with that sort of thing. Yes, Lera could have stolen a
woman's star and given it to Cam. Yes, but he didn't he stole
he did, he not. But he also said I'm gonna let the ladies
play their game, and I'm gonna take Adam's starr, which I appreciated because,
I mean, even though it is only going to be one winner at
the end, the stars are staying within the genders, so they have to
they're still gonna have to do. I appreciated that. All right, exactly
do you want to update the point? Do you want to do you want
to update us on how or after after episode five and in last place with
twenty seven points, Big Uncle Sweet Tea, yes, thirdoo and he only
has two players on his team. Now does hey, Karl, don't rub
it in? Don't rub it in? And Brad wins this thing? Yeah,
you're gonna all You're gonna all regret it. Yeah, I mean,
like right now, Big Uncle Sweet, you would be winning if his guy's
got top two. So uh, third place with thirty points is Carlin jumping
all the way up to second place from his fourth place last episode? Wolfee
with thirty four points and says the number one on the real fantasy league,
I mean on the fake fantasy league, this is your one. And then
in first place Jackie Bananas with fifty three points. Uhrigg. I call for
an audit. M I agree. I can send you the file. You
can do the audit. You'll see that. Uh. Of the Daily Channel
winners, over fifty percent of them have been on my team through the first
five episodes. Braggart, that damn Tony, Tony really fucked me on this
thing. Tony never going to forgive him. I'm never going to forgive him
for that. Who what Cyrus was that you? Or was it will be?
I've had him for that one episode. I still have six people left,
Carlin, I move, we have five well fields full? I have
five? I have two, all right? And then so we have the
public League. Mm hmmm. Uh thirty one, thirty one, thirty one.
I'm rolling in at number thirty one. Listeners, y'all gotta step your
game up. I'm kicking your assure. I have officially kicked whatever stove out
of first place, and no quitter Gina has kicked whatever stove out of second
place. So right now it is me at five hundred and fifty three,
no Quitters at five hundred and twenty five, and whatever stove at four ninety
five. The problem is that Bananas is it fourth? Uh? Tim,
you are yeah, and then yeah we'll for year at thirty one. The
problem though, Carlyn, if you win that, you're gonna have to do
an episode as both a co host and a guest. Just so you know,
No, we already we already talked about this. If one of us
wins it, Jojo, then we get to pick. No, you're gonna
have to just play two roles, Joe Joe Jo Jo Jo Joe Jo.
I mean I think that we pick from the people who competed in here,
or we just give it to the top person was other than Cindy's in there.
She's doing better than I am. Cindy who doesn't watch the show,
she's doing She's placed higher than I am. Let's see, there's a lot
of luck unless you're a spoiler person. I think there's a lot of lucky.
Yeah, Wolfy Fan Club is in it twenty one, right behind Tim.
You've been if you're a spoiler person, Tim, like we I think
we just sssed it last week the week well two weeks ago, like,
we don't know the crying, the fighting, so I think this one really
is so we don't know who wins every episode all the different things. No,
I mean, like I said last week, my strategies, and we
were also talking about it in the pre show a little bit. I'm going
for, you know, whoever I think might win that episode. Throw a
good strong player in there, because they need to start peppering him in to
get some of those points. Throw in the people that I think are gonna
get kicked off sooner rather than later. And then based on the previews,
who's gonna have some drama because you almost always know off of those we have
a similar strategy, Carl, and you're just pulling it off way way better
than me. I haven't gone for the but I did uh for everyone to
watch the next time on. I did. I did base my votes this
upcoming week on the next week because I feel like there's two people's I feel
like there's two people you know are gonna get good points. Yeah, yeah,
yeah, because the drama and the romance are really coming in on this
one. I already have her. They definitely help. Well, if you
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Do we have any social media stuff you do. You have a couple things.
So first off, I don't know if we've discussed this already, but
I was doing some research earlier today on Bears versus men in the Woods.
Did we ever discuss the fact that apparently Bear got released from prison in January
got out on early release. We did, Yeah, he got out on
earlier for her behavior in England. Apparently they do interesting, right. I
saw Georgia was making some press. She like published some of their chats and
ship like she's kind of she's really like advocating for women during this whole thing.
I did see this because I saw those come out. I forgot about
that. She was not happy when he got released. Yeah, I think
that's why she released the chats. Yeah, I'm I think what she's doing
is great. She was doing interviews talking about it and stuff like, yeah,
ruin that dude's life. Go for it. The website Collider they posted
a top ten baddest villains of the Challenge. Have you guys seen this list?
No real life or villains in the show. I think villain's on the
show, So on your opinions, all right, So number ten Trischelle,
Number nine Kayla number eight, Trischelle will always be to me. Number eight
is Wes. Number seven Devin seems kind of low. Number six, number
six is Amanda. Yeah, West seems West seems low. I don't know
that I consider Devin a villain. If he is, he he should be
eight or nine, you know what I mean, Like he's he's a low
level. Yeah. Number five, he seems like he seems like an anti
hero more than a villain. I could see that. Yeah. Number five
the Camillainator. Oh, she should be higher, Yeah, her races should
be higher. Number four Ashley Mitchell. Number number three Laurel. Number two,
Number two is Beth, and then obviously number one is the Banana Man
Johnny. I hate that I'm about to say this. I feel like number
one is too high for him. I think so too. I think I
feel like I feel like Bananas and West kind of they're kind of the same,
and they should be in that like five or six range. I feel
like Beth has Beth was definitely a villain, but she hasn't been around for
a really long time. I think she probably should have been more instead of
she was what two Beth was two? Yes, Yeah, Beth should have
been more like a three or four. Camilla should have been. Camilla should
have been I could see. I'm guessing that they're basing this on non racist
reasons because I think if we're bringing the racism into I think Kamila is number
one for sure. Yeah, yeah, because he was. It was Camilla,
Beth, Johnny. Who else is up at the top five? Top
five was five Camilla for Ashley, Mitchell, three, Laurel two, Beth
one Bananas. Yeah, so I think Laurel at three makes I think I
think Ashley is probably too high as well. Really, I feel like she
should be top three. Yeah, I guess you're right, You're right.
Actually, Ashley's probably Maybe maybe we do Camilla. I think I think for
me it would be one would be Camilla, two would be Laurel, three
would be Ashley, four would be Beth. Then you've got Bananas and West
kind of tied in there. Yeah. Yeah, I can't think of any
of that. Like, I think, yeah, you're right, we might
rearrange some Are there any numbers anybody we left out? Kay brings up Kenny.
I was kind of think of Kenny myself. Yeah, Kenny, Kenny
kind of does belong up there. All right, and then I don't know,
I think social media news we have this is a spoiler life for anyone
that's watching the Netflix show Fight for Paradise if you haven't seen the finale yet.
But uh, what's that? What's that? It's a reality show on
Netflix from Germany. But former they just had their finale and former challenger Nom
was the winner of the show. He won something, he made it to
the end of a show. I'm fine, I'm fine never seeing him again,
you know, seeing anybody. He had. He had so much potential
his first season coming in and he had such a rash. Every single episode,
every single season he's been on, he's either been let go or had
to leave for some various different reason. And yeah, he'd I'm okay with
never seeing him again either because he had the chance and it just it never
it never came about it. Yeah, they just never ended up working out
for him. Well, And I hate to be this guy, but I'm
just gonna be this way anyway. All these international people, with very few
exceptions, international people are harder to digest on the challenge just because there's like
there's like all of these like language barriers of like you know, like the
way they phrase things is different and hard, and like they don't communicate with
the house as well. It's like, why are you on this show the
British people. I think British people are different because like, yeah, we
can communicate with them. So like you're talking about people who English is not
their first language. Yes, like Nam who seems like in his confessionals,
was like struggling to even like say coherent sentences. And I'm not trying to
judge because I don't know any other languages either. I thought No English was
really really good. I remember him having like kind of being soft spoken and
uh, not saying much, being really quiet in the house. He was
just really quiet. I guess. I don't try to raise this, but
if you can't like communicate with other people in the house, there's definitely a
part that's like, I mean, we definitely Turbo is a perfect example of
that, where there was a lot because of the language barrier, there were
a lot of little like idioms and turns of phrase that would be said to
him that he'd be like the fuck or like ways that he was trying to
communicate. He gave the world pussy chicken. He's got passed I'm saying,
if there was no language barrier with Turbo, he would not be half the
amazing challenger he is. He's misunderstanding that. Sometimes great, sometimes it works,
but Nam is one like he just disappeared to me. I can't tell
you a single thing he did other than be kicked off for stuff because he
just I don't know, he just was. He was never kicked off.
He was just you know, medically never made it. Yeah, whatever,
you see what I'm saying. Yeah, I mean, he just that's the
point. Americans don't need him to come back. He had multiple chances in
a row and it just never never worked out. Yeah, now, Gobo,
that's when we need back. That's a remember Gobbo. I do not
remember Gabo. I like Gobbo. Who's what season was like More of the
World or something like that, More the ones too? Are you gonna I'm
google Gobbo? Yeah, well, if you should definitely know Goabo. Was
it just recently within the past like two seasons? No, five seasons?
Maybe I feel like it was just recently. Allies? How long ago is
that? Though? That was the last like a couple of years. Let's
see Margo Spies, Lies and Allies was August August through December of twenty twenty
one. Okay to yeah, three years on a two years fascinating? This
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