1 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,879 Welcome back everyone to a new episode of And You're Wrong with Molly Hemingway and 2 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,600 David Harsani. Just as a reminder, if you'd like to email the show, 3 00:00:22,039 --> 00:00:25,920 please do so at radio at the Federalist dot com. We'd love to 4 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,199 hear from you. Molly. How are you? I'm great. I would 5 00:00:29,199 --> 00:00:33,520 also like to remind people to join Federalist Community, which you can do on 6 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,479 our website at the Federalist dot com. And also if you want to get 7 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,560 your your year off right with the donating to us, that is very helpful 8 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:48,560 so we can continue our excellent journalism that every day gets out top stories and 9 00:00:48,679 --> 00:00:53,280 all the major issues facing the country. Totally blew it and forgot to say 10 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:58,039 all that stuff. I agree, Molly, definitely do all that stuff. 11 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:03,120 It's important, it is important. Elections coming up. Media is added again, 12 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,840 you know, establishment media is added again, and so on. So 13 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:15,560 big week, right, Iowa Caucuses. I don't have the numbers in front 14 00:01:15,599 --> 00:01:21,120 of me. I think I think Donald Trump won fifty one percent of the 15 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,719 vote or the delegates. I forget. Second place was Ronda Santis. But 16 00:01:25,799 --> 00:01:30,200 the winner, according to Nikki Haley, was Nikki Halley in third place just 17 00:01:30,239 --> 00:01:34,480 a weird thing. Might say that meme where the guy celebrating with the women 18 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:37,640 and like the champagne, and then when they panned back, he's like an 19 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:42,680 eighth place or whatever. Yeah, that was weird. You want people to 20 00:01:42,719 --> 00:01:46,280 be happy with their results, and she was very happy with her third place 21 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,920 finish after she was projected to come in second place. But just on a 22 00:01:49,959 --> 00:01:53,599 bigger picture scale, I have to say I have not enjoyed the last year 23 00:01:53,799 --> 00:02:00,439 of campaigning. I hate how long primary season is, election season. I 24 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:05,319 wish we could condense it into a shorter period of time. So I've been 25 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,639 just resistant for the last year to even really talking that much about it. 26 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:14,800 But I woke up on Monday. This is so lame because I'm not super 27 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,120 super political, but I was like a little excited for Caucus Day. I 28 00:02:17,159 --> 00:02:22,680 was like, Oh, it's finally happening. We are finally beginning the Republican 29 00:02:22,719 --> 00:02:27,879 primary season. And there's something nice about how it all comes down to how 30 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:34,319 people vote. Like you have all these talking heads and online armies and people 31 00:02:34,439 --> 00:02:37,240 just talking about what's going to happen, and then at the end of the 32 00:02:37,319 --> 00:02:38,360 day, it's just, oh, my gosh, I can't believe I'm talking 33 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,039 to you about this, David, since you don't you're not a big fan 34 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,240 of democracy, But you know, at the end of the day, it's 35 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:49,400 just people who can get people to show up and vote and say who they 36 00:02:49,439 --> 00:02:53,360 want. I like that the people get to say the real people and not 37 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,319 the TV people. All Right, well let's get into that part a little 38 00:02:57,319 --> 00:03:00,319 bit. Yeah, I generally hate democracy, and I think it was even 39 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,800 again this week. But why I do? But do you think that you're 40 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,360 you're dealing with any kind of Do you think regular people are hardcore party activists 41 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,960 who show up with caucuses or primary voters. No, I think that that's 42 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,199 a select group. I'm not putting them down there. Anyone can do it 43 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:20,840 if they want, but it's it's it's a select, very activist group of 44 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:24,280 people who decide who the who, the you know, candidate is going to 45 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:29,560 be in the general election. And those two groups are not always perfectly aligned. 46 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:32,360 I think you see that when people with cigars in back rooms pick pick 47 00:03:32,599 --> 00:03:36,759 candidates, But you also see it when activists pick candidates. What do you 48 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,639 what do you do? You are you a fan of how we have the 49 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:43,719 caucuses and primaries are laid out that states like Iowa and New Hampshire are so 50 00:03:43,759 --> 00:03:46,879 important South Carolina, or do you think that it should maybe be reformed, 51 00:03:46,919 --> 00:03:51,719 I guess is my big question. So there are two separate things there, 52 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:53,400 and I actually want to go on the first off, I'll say why I 53 00:03:53,439 --> 00:03:59,400 don't think it's a good idea to do things the way we do right now. 54 00:03:59,599 --> 00:04:02,199 The reason and why it's not a good idea is because Americans. America's 55 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:08,400 elections are basically broken. They're not about who generates the most excitement or who 56 00:04:08,479 --> 00:04:12,520 can get the base out to vote. They're really about who runs the best 57 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:17,399 ballot harvesting operation. And in a ballot harvesting operation scheme, your ideas don't 58 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:21,120 matter, your candidates don't matter, Nothing matters other than ballot harvesting, like 59 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,800 who has the power to get the ballot into the box, who can control 60 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,079 what's filled out in the ballot, and all that. So when you're doing 61 00:04:30,199 --> 00:04:34,120 a caucus based on almost the exact opposite thing, which is who can generate 62 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:39,160 enthusiasm to show up in negative four degree weather in the middle of a blizzard, 63 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:42,279 you know that's not how we run elections anymore. Because we do all 64 00:04:42,319 --> 00:04:49,000 this mail out unsupervised balloting and huge you know, ballot schemes. So that's 65 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:54,519 why it's probably not a good idea. But if we could just say take 66 00:04:54,519 --> 00:04:58,120 that apart from it, I actually love this stuff. I like it because 67 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,519 running a p cidential campaign is not just about you know who you are or 68 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:08,480 what your record is. It's also about can you run an organization? And 69 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:14,000 so it's good to test these things by putting an army on the ground and 70 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:16,839 you know, seeing how you manage them and seeing how your message resonates, 71 00:05:16,959 --> 00:05:20,079 and those are good things. And it's kind of nice that we get to 72 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:25,480 do it in one particular state and then another particular state to really hone that 73 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,879 operation and get a feel for like who's actually up for the task of running 74 00:05:29,879 --> 00:05:35,519 for president. It's interesting. I honestly, I don't know how I feel 75 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:40,600 about it. Like I kind of think it's weird that IOEF, for instance, 76 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,879 has such outsize importance. But on the other hand, I do like 77 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:47,759 that America has a federalissistant so that we don't have New York and California deciding 78 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,360 these things. So I sort of like it in that way. I don't 79 00:05:50,399 --> 00:05:55,199 know if there's some something that can be done to sort of balance it out, 80 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,399 maybe in some way, maybe add a state to Iowa some other state. 81 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,720 So I am of two minds of this. And also I don't like 82 00:06:02,759 --> 00:06:06,839 when we have tons of people voting at the same time. I prefer a 83 00:06:06,879 --> 00:06:10,800 caucus kind of system, as you say, where people who really want to 84 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:13,959 vote, really care, show up, not just you know, it's mail 85 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,680 to your house and you just like don't even care and you fill out about 86 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:19,000 and you throw it back. On the other hand, people who really want 87 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:25,319 to be involved in politics, it's funny because I'm rewatching parks and recreation a 88 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,240 little bit. And what's their name, Leslie Nope, you know, is 89 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,000 to me like a horrifying figure. So people who are like really into politics 90 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,879 and love doing stuff and love voting, they scare me, and I wish 91 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:38,199 they wouldn't be as gung ho about it. So I don't know, I 92 00:06:38,759 --> 00:06:42,319 don't have a good answer. I'm just saying it is thinking IO is so 93 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,959 important. Yeah, Like if I go to a Lutheran event, I love 94 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,439 it. I was just telling my brother about going to the Issues Etc. 95 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:54,000 Conference, which is this annual conference for this Lutheran podcast that I love, 96 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,560 and the people who show up are also just awesome. And I was explaining 97 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,560 to him, like they're all very different, but they're fun and they're mostly 98 00:07:01,639 --> 00:07:05,639 lay people, and I realize, like, that's my crowd. I like 99 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:10,040 that crowd. That's where I feel comfortable. That's the type of people I 100 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,160 like talking to. When I'm in a super political crowd, it is actually 101 00:07:14,199 --> 00:07:18,000 not totally my scene. And it's weird because like, I work in this, 102 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,879 but I I feel the same way. I actually kind of like it 103 00:07:20,879 --> 00:07:26,759 when people are super goofy and into it. It's just not personally where I 104 00:07:26,839 --> 00:07:30,079 get most excited. Like you want to talk about Lutheran apologetics or something, 105 00:07:30,079 --> 00:07:34,480 I'm like, I'm down. I'm totally into it. But anyway, the 106 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:39,480 problem is for at least for Republicans or let's say even kind of movement small 107 00:07:39,519 --> 00:07:44,240 government conservatives who aren't you know, who are kind of like that it's off 108 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,279 putting to them, is that the other side use it as church like to 109 00:07:47,319 --> 00:07:51,120 them, that is the Lutheran conference. So to balance that out, you're 110 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,000 going to have to have people are really excited about politics. Oh, anyway, 111 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,879 we should talk about the actual results though, because they were still kind 112 00:07:57,879 --> 00:08:01,160 of interesting. So was it did it a lot with your expectations or what 113 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:05,160 I think deep inside I knew and I wrote a column sort of about this, 114 00:08:05,319 --> 00:08:07,759 is that I knew that Donald Trump was not going to lose. I 115 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:13,800 mean, I just think, you know, the thing with him is like 116 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:16,720 it's all already embedded in the package. Like he's never going to say anything 117 00:08:16,759 --> 00:08:20,040 that everyone's like, WHOA, that's a policy I can't live with, or 118 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:24,000 WHOA, I can't believe he said that about whatever, Like he cannot shock 119 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,519 a voter. He will not shock a voter. He's the incumbent in many 120 00:08:28,519 --> 00:08:33,159 ways, people have seen him win, they think he can win, they 121 00:08:33,159 --> 00:08:35,679 think an election was stolen from him, they think that he is a victim 122 00:08:35,799 --> 00:08:43,399 of the state. All those things drive and fuel both anger but enthusiasm for 123 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,840 that candidate. And I just it's going to be very hard, very hard, 124 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:50,639 impossible. Actually, I think now I could say knock him off. 125 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:56,519 Yeah, sure. But I also had this realization on Monday night about just 126 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:03,159 what a stunning comeback this was. In many ways, Like I know that 127 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:07,919 we've been expecting Donald Trump to win the Iowa primary and even the Republican nomination. 128 00:09:07,039 --> 00:09:11,879 That's that's the odds on you know, favorite if you look back at 129 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:16,799 how much everybody had counted him out three years ago, though, it's really 130 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:20,399 interesting and I mean obviously people counted him out because they wouldn't have been running 131 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:24,240 against him if they thought that they would be in this situation, which is 132 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,480 very humiliating for a lot of people. And it's just just interesting to note 133 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,120 how like what you think in a given moment is not necessarily how things are 134 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:37,080 going to be. I don't think people expected Donald Trump to win Iowa by 135 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,279 more than with more than fifty percent of the vote. He didn't even do 136 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:46,840 that in twenty sixteen, you know, he he didn't even win ioland twenty 137 00:09:46,799 --> 00:09:52,279 Ted Ted Cruz won it, right, yes, but which was to me 138 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,919 it was amazing because I remember Ted Cruz had come out against Ethan all subsidies 139 00:09:56,919 --> 00:09:58,840 and still won Iowa, which told me that I don't know what it told 140 00:09:58,879 --> 00:10:01,840 me, but something weird was going on right like almost like that it wasn't 141 00:10:01,919 --> 00:10:07,240 like an issue driven thing anymore. It's you know, like in that kind 142 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,720 of specific way that it used to be where you had to watch what you 143 00:10:09,759 --> 00:10:11,679 said. I don't know, Yeah, I mean you're right about that. 144 00:10:11,759 --> 00:10:16,720 I mean moreover, you have like I know, how her own views around 145 00:10:16,759 --> 00:10:20,840 DeSantis. So we could talk about that in a minute. But if you 146 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:24,759 go back half a year, if you go back to COVID, he he 147 00:10:24,879 --> 00:10:28,720 was a legitimately people were legitimately excited about the potential of him being president and 148 00:10:28,799 --> 00:10:33,000 his candidacy. So it's not like Donald Trump has had no one opposing him 149 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:39,799 who actually, you know, conservatives liked he actually had a real, you 150 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:43,879 know opponent who who and maybe in a different world would knock someone like that 151 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:48,000 off. So yeah, it's like, if he becomes president, that's just 152 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,799 like a big comeback. It's like bigger than Nixon coming back in sixty eight, 153 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:54,840 right, I mean after losing the Senate Senate race and all that. 154 00:10:54,879 --> 00:10:56,639 I mean, it will be a big comeback. I mean, people won't 155 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,679 view it that way in the media, or they won't be perceived that way, 156 00:11:00,759 --> 00:11:03,000 or won't be for him that way, but that's what it would be. 157 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,159 Yeah, I mean, and he didn't even it felt like he didn't 158 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:09,200 even really try. I mean like he didn't really have to do much to 159 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:11,559 win. I actually, so this is one of the things that I think 160 00:11:11,639 --> 00:11:16,840 is interesting about this general season is you know, we've had a lot of 161 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:20,559 commentary on the problems in the Ron de Santis campaign. The New York Times 162 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,879 has written about it, Political Rights about it. It's like a very tumultuous 163 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:31,840 campaign. It's interesting how little you have seen that about the the Vaik campaign, 164 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:37,080 the Nikki Haley campaign, and then most especially the Donald Trump campaign, 165 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,039 which is the one you'd expect to be full of like chaos. And you 166 00:11:39,039 --> 00:11:43,600 know, the twenty six teen campaign was kind of notorious for all the people 167 00:11:43,639 --> 00:11:46,159 on it fighting, and you know, he is who he is. It's 168 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:52,080 been a pretty air tight campaign that has been very well run. So I 169 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,799 don't think it's that he didn't do anything. I think he actually wanted to 170 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,600 win Iowa with more than fifty percent of the vote, but by the end 171 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:03,120 he went but he really wanted to win because it kind of hurt him that 172 00:12:03,159 --> 00:12:07,799 he hadn't won in twenty sixteen. Oh and that reminds me. You said 173 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:11,120 there was something about not being surprised by anything he says. I remember in 174 00:12:11,159 --> 00:12:20,120 twenty sixteen being surprised when he expressed humility about evangelicals supporting him. It was 175 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,720 just so out of character for him. He's not someone for whom the word 176 00:12:22,759 --> 00:12:26,240 humble, you know, is associated. But what I met was during the 177 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:30,159 last campaign. Every time that's something like nuts, I thought, you know, 178 00:12:30,399 --> 00:12:31,919 the media is like that's it, you know, and then his support 179 00:12:31,919 --> 00:12:39,080 would go up, you know. But I watched everybody's acceptance or denial speech 180 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:43,440 in the case of Nikki Haley on Monday night, and Donald Trump was kind 181 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:48,480 of funny because he was so I don't know what the right word for it 182 00:12:48,519 --> 00:12:52,639 is, but he was like speaking lovingly about each of his five kids and 183 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,600 how much they meant to him, and how much his mother in law meant 184 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,480 to him, and talking about Baron and how he wishes played basketball, but 185 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,000 Baron wants to play soccer. And it was just very tender. And I 186 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,639 was like, what have they done with Donald Trump? And who have they 187 00:13:09,639 --> 00:13:13,639 replaced him with? Oh? Also, he was like really gracious after being 188 00:13:13,919 --> 00:13:18,399 the opposite of gracious in fact, quite awful toward Ron DeSantis and Nikki Hayley. 189 00:13:18,639 --> 00:13:22,399 And I was like, I mean, I know everybody does that in 190 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,039 politics. You run a hard campaign and then you thank your opponent or whatever. 191 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,759 I get that, But for some reason, because of how over the 192 00:13:28,759 --> 00:13:35,120 top Donald Trump is with his insults. It's also sobering or what not to 193 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:39,720 see him be the opposite. Now having said that too, I think he 194 00:13:39,799 --> 00:13:43,559 understands. It was like a message of hope at the end, like we 195 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,279 all need to come together, independent Democrat, Republican to save the country. 196 00:13:46,519 --> 00:13:50,919 That message of the seriousness of the moment that we're in is not matched by 197 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:54,559 many other Republicans, you know, like you don't get the feeling Mitch McConnell 198 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,600 thinks things are bad. In fact, they're probably not bad for him at 199 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,519 all, you know, but for the rest of us, they're kind of 200 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:05,600 bad. So you don't hear that seriousness of message from many other candidates. 201 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:13,559 But on Donald Trump's acceptance speech, I heard it the Watch Dot on Wall 202 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,320 Street podcast with Chris Markowski. 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I am I am somewhat skeptical that he, you know, 212 00:14:54,679 --> 00:14:56,720 in the general, I think it's going to be tough for him to 213 00:14:56,759 --> 00:15:01,399 take certain states he can't afford, or to lose Republicans. So I know 214 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,759 that people typically come together in the general, but it was pretty nasty. 215 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:11,360 Where is between the supporters of DeSantis, especially, I think, and Trump 216 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,399 in the sense that he's not going to ever get Christy's supporters, but he 217 00:15:15,639 --> 00:15:20,399 needs DeSantis supporters, right, He needs DeSantis himself and people like that to 218 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,320 win. I think. I think though David, isn't there a difference between 219 00:15:24,559 --> 00:15:33,480 an average DeSantis supporter and an average DeSantis online person? Like everyone I know 220 00:15:33,559 --> 00:15:39,279 in real life who supports Ron DeSantis is a totally normal, good, like 221 00:15:39,919 --> 00:15:46,120 good conservative kind of person. The online version has never made sense to me. 222 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:50,240 They and I don't mean by there's people who are online who support DeSantis, 223 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,720 but there's that like online army that never seemed to be having fun. 224 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:58,759 That's like, I'll vote for Joe Biden four times before I vote for Donald 225 00:15:58,799 --> 00:16:03,960 Trump. Like that's not really representative of a typical Republican voter, is it. 226 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,200 It's not? But I mean I think that more probably this is just 227 00:16:08,279 --> 00:16:15,000 my perception. I'm not saying. I just think that the more normy voter, 228 00:16:15,799 --> 00:16:18,559 you know, old fashioned conservative type who likes the things that people have 229 00:16:18,679 --> 00:16:23,440 voted for Bush likes, would gravitate towards DeSantis before Trump maybe, and then 230 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:27,279 those people, and that those people, if you keep banging on them as 231 00:16:27,399 --> 00:16:32,919 like tools of the plutocracy, whatever people say about them, or you insult 232 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,679 DeSantis himself constantly, I think that it might turn those people off a bit. 233 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,279 I'm just saying that I think Trump won running against the Republican Party actually 234 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,720 in a weird way in twenty sixteen, you know what I mean. But 235 00:16:44,799 --> 00:16:48,480 I think that he's in a different spot now in some sense because a lot 236 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,559 of us support Yeah, sorry, no, no, no, that's basically 237 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:57,120 it. I'm just I always go two sentences too long on my So I 238 00:16:57,159 --> 00:17:02,399 was thinking about how I don't remember what the latest polls are for the Republican 239 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:08,359 primary in Florida. But in Florida, Rondasantis is an incredibly popular governor. 240 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:14,880 He won his reelection walking away by twenty points. It's and he's been very 241 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,799 effective. He's, in my view, the most effective Republican governor in the 242 00:17:18,799 --> 00:17:22,079 country. He's done, he's opened up like worlds of possibility about what you 243 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:29,480 can do. And he is losing that Republican primary in Florida, even in 244 00:17:29,519 --> 00:17:32,839 the state that has the most like I would say probably like one hundred percent 245 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,359 of the Republican Party in Florida loves Ronda Santis, but he's losing that primary 246 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:42,519 to Donald Trump. That right there shows that you can be a Ronda Santis 247 00:17:42,599 --> 00:17:47,240 lover, as so many people are, and also be a Trump supporter. 248 00:17:47,759 --> 00:17:49,920 No, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think a lot of 249 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,079 Like I said, there are a lot of factors here that I think make 250 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:02,200 an active primary going Republican want Donald trumpo for DeSantis. But this is just 251 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:03,599 me, this is my this is just perception. I'm not saying, you 252 00:18:03,599 --> 00:18:07,400 know, I don't have polling to back this up or whatever. I think 253 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,920 the casual political person, a Republican walking around will vote for Donald Trump. 254 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:17,039 But he's not like as into Donald Trump, and in many ways he probably 255 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,720 likes the competence of a DeSantis type better like he's it's more appealing to him. 256 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,960 There is definitely a segment of people who are like that correct within their 257 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,880 world, who aren't like anti Trump, you know, crazy so it would 258 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,359 never vote for him in a million years, but they don't exactly love his 259 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,519 the way he speaks or whatever. And those are people you need to win 260 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:45,119 in a general election, meaning just because just because Florida he's going to win 261 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,759 the primary. Those are like hardcore Republican types. They're not There are millions 262 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:52,039 and millions of people in Florida who don't participate in that, who are also 263 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,279 Republican and they like DeSantis. It's all I'm saying. I don't know if 264 00:18:56,319 --> 00:19:00,200 there was a vote in Florida for governor, Trump would beat DeSantis. Maybe 265 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,720 he does, I don't know, but I'm just saying there's this issue where 266 00:19:04,839 --> 00:19:11,839 Rond de Santis. At the beginning of the Iowa caucus season, Ron De 267 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:18,759 Santis was a little behind Donald Trump, but totally within striking distance. At 268 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:25,279 the end of the caucus, he was in a very very distant second place. 269 00:19:26,559 --> 00:19:30,960 Part of that was due to him losing support the more he spent the 270 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:37,400 more time he spent in Iowa. And I don't know why that is exactly. 271 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:41,599 I personally very much like Ronda Santis and his policies and his approach. 272 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:48,920 He does seem to rub voters the wrong way. You can't win a presidency 273 00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:53,880 when people aren't, you know. And maybe this is like a flaw in 274 00:19:55,039 --> 00:20:00,559 the like, not in this specific case, but like in the general system, 275 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:04,119 Americans tend to vote on things that they shouldn't vote on, Like would 276 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,720 not effective governance be a really high prioritiation, that'd be a high priority for 277 00:20:08,759 --> 00:20:15,400 people. But there's something about like actual campaign charm that matters to the American 278 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:21,440 voter, and it matters more and more in an audio visual society, and 279 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:27,920 he seems to be lacking in that. Like it it seems like a problem. 280 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,480 I will you will not say this. I just think generally when you 281 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:37,240 get voters or any big group of people, that become idiots, irrational idiot 282 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:41,440 So yeah, I don't think voters are very smart as a big giant group. 283 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,559 They're more like a mob in many ways. But I will say this, 284 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,039 I just I don't know if you're a writer or now, but I 285 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:52,160 will say this. Numerous people have made this point, and they've shown polling, 286 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,359 and I think that it's right. The day so DeSantis was close, 287 00:20:56,559 --> 00:21:00,440 close, he was twenty still twenty points behind, Okay, like maybe that 288 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:06,279 striking distance, Maybe it's not, I don't know. In the day the 289 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:10,319 indictments came down in New York, the most ridiculous of the indictments, Trump's 290 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:14,519 polling just takes off in like every single pull and it never comes back down, 291 00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:17,720 and everyone else is just like it, you know, fighting for scraps. 292 00:21:17,759 --> 00:21:21,839 It's clear then that Republicans were like, he's a victim here of something 293 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:26,039 that's wrong, and not only does he deserve another chance because he's been cheated, 294 00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:30,200 he deserves another chance because these people want to destroy him. That I 295 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,079 just don't think after that indictment anyone had a chance. I don't think that. 296 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,559 I think that the thing that most people don't like about the Santis Republicans 297 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,640 is that he was running against Trump. Once those indictments came down, anything 298 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,680 he said sounded like he was on the wrong side of that equation or the 299 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,480 wrong side of that fight, and there was no way for him to make 300 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:52,359 up that number. So all the stuff you see and read about in his 301 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,039 campaign is them. They're struggling to figure out a way to try to make 302 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,839 up that difference. And there was I don't think any way that was going 303 00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:03,079 on. There's nothing he could have said, no policy, no speech, 304 00:22:03,839 --> 00:22:10,759 no personality change you know that would have I think done anything other than changed 305 00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:14,039 it on the margins. That's just my view of it. Yeah, I 306 00:22:14,079 --> 00:22:18,200 think you have to know the Republican voter enough to know that the vast, 307 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:26,559 vast, vast majority of Republicans really liked the Donald Trump presidency, and why 308 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:33,839 wouldn't they, you know, deregulation and like incredibly solid foreign policy, beginning 309 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:41,880 to get the border under control, forcefully fighting back against the absolutely evil propaganda 310 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:47,920 press. Like all these things were good. And so if your whole campaign 311 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:51,599 is to run against the first person in a really long time to do good 312 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:57,559 things that matter, you know, the three originalist Supreme Court justices which will 313 00:22:57,559 --> 00:23:03,680 bear fruit for a long time to come. You know, these are solid 314 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,799 things. It's kind of like running against Reagan. Now in the DC hive 315 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:15,440 mind which also didn't like Reagan. Incidentally, a little less less conflict there 316 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:22,640 there was the this belief that Donald Trump was a bad president who made life 317 00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:29,440 very difficult for them. Can we talk about another thing that happened. I 318 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,400 think it was AP did at first, but a bunch of news outlets just 319 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,799 called the race before people had even had a chance to do whatever they do 320 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,519 at caucuses and vote, make their they debate, right, they talk, 321 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,359 There's all kinds of things go on at caucuses, right, and they could 322 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,000 not do any of that or they already knew from their phones that the brace 323 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:52,400 had been called. So what do you think of that? I personally, 324 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,440 and I'm on record like for a long time, I just wish we weren't 325 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:03,079 calling things at all until the polls were closed. So in twenty eighteen, 326 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:11,759 they called the House for Democrats. The moment the polls closed, we had 327 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,799 hours of voting left in on the East Coast. And it does affect, 328 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,720 you know, how people decide it's not worth it for me to show up 329 00:24:18,759 --> 00:24:25,319 and vote for this, and then there's no like, there's no glory in 330 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,200 rushing out a decision in my view, and it's disrespectful to the process. 331 00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:34,079 I feel like all these people came out like one hundred thousand people came out 332 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:41,359 in Iowa in horrific temperatures and horrific conditions, and they're working and then like 333 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,359 they're getting alerts on their phone that what they're about to do doesn't totally matter. 334 00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:48,799 I don't know. I just don't love it. Now, I will 335 00:24:48,839 --> 00:24:52,119 say, in defense of the I think all the media organizations did it. 336 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,000 Their claim is you actually have to register at the caucus by like six thirty 337 00:24:57,079 --> 00:25:00,759 or so. Definitely by seven you're not allowed in. After that. If 338 00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:04,559 you're not there before it starts, you're not allowed in. So all the 339 00:25:04,559 --> 00:25:08,640 people who were going to vote were already there, so it didn't materially affect 340 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:14,000 things in the manner that I just talked about in like twenty eighteen, and 341 00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:17,680 so it doesn't really matter. But I still feel like it does matter. 342 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,759 It matters like you're voting strategically, even if you're you know, if you're 343 00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:25,680 voting for, no matter who you're voting for, you're voting strategically. And 344 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:30,680 so why mess up, Why like interfere in the process. What good came 345 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,119 out of that? I don't know. Right, It's like maybe when you 346 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:37,799 see someone's going to win, you decide to join the bandwagon. I'm not 347 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:40,839 saying that happen in large numbers or whatever. I don't even know. You're 348 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,880 like, well, he already won, so I'm gonna throw it to right 349 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:47,960 ron or something, you know, like because I really don't want Nikki to 350 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,279 winter. I don't know what the thinking is. I'm just saying it has 351 00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:55,000 to affect your thinking, especially when most states seem to have pretty good websites 352 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:57,640 showing you like what's happening in every single county and how the votes are going, 353 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,759 Like if you're really that into, you can follow it and people would 354 00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:04,440 have to wait. Now, I don't want to force news, you know, 355 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,200 outlets not to say something, but I wish they would come to an 356 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,319 agreement where they wouldn't call races until the race was completely over. How does 357 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:17,279 it work? I don't remember now they called state races before the national election 358 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,880 is over. Correct. Yeah, I think that's problematic too, because you 359 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,839 have people in other states and they're like, well, the election's over, 360 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,559 he won this state or that state, and they don't go out and vote, 361 00:26:26,599 --> 00:26:30,799 and I just it is. It is in a sense kind of like 362 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:36,119 election interference. And obviously Florida and not obviously a lot of people forget how 363 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,759 old I am. Sometimes. In two thousand, there were like calls made 364 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,680 really early right for Gore, I think in Florida. Maybe, yeah, 365 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,240 that is so before I was in politics, but I had all these friends 366 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:49,480 who were in politics, like journalists and Hill staffers. And I was at 367 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:56,440 Tortilla Coast that night and they called the state for Gore. I knew nothing 368 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,559 about politics, but somehow I just felt like that wasn't going to stand. 369 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:03,839 I really felt like Florida was going to go for Bush. And I said, 370 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,559 they're going to pull that call back, and everyone I was at the 371 00:27:06,559 --> 00:27:08,079 table with said, like, that doesn't even make sense. They don't do 372 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:12,559 that, They would only do it if it were over. And sure enough, 373 00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:17,680 they did pull the call back, and then they and then they gave 374 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:22,160 it to Bush I think, but then it kind of like as the recounts 375 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,559 for continuing, it kind of like narrowed down, so then they pulled it 376 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:29,559 back again. And the lesson from that should be you don't need to call 377 00:27:29,599 --> 00:27:32,680 if it's closed, and don't do it, you know, And nobody's learned 378 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,759 that lesson so or very few people have learned that lesson. In the old 379 00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:38,920 days, kids when the media said, like called a race or said they 380 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,319 had sources for something, you'd be like, ah, they probably do. 381 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,720 They wouldn't go out on a limb and ruin their reputations like that, But 382 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,799 yeah they would, and they would do it often and more and more. 383 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,200 But yeah, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I agree. I don't 384 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,920 like it. I don't really know what you can do about it. I 385 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,319 think voters have maybe sort of learned to ignore the calls, maybe becau because 386 00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:04,400 you know they're done prematurely so often. I don't know, but like you 387 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:10,279 said, no, I just I did. I did TV earlier that day, 388 00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:15,480 and everyone was talking about how basically Trump had to get over fifty percent 389 00:28:15,559 --> 00:28:18,920 because if he didn't it would be a disappointment or something, which I was 390 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:23,359 like, I think probably a historic victory is a historic victory, even if 391 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:30,680 it doesn't reach like the majority threshold. But I enjoyed watching the coverage. 392 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,480 I wish there had been more coverage of the actual voters. I like how 393 00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:37,759 caucuses go. I think they're just kind of interesting to watch, so I 394 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:41,400 wish we could have watched a little bit more of that. And then I 395 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,960 you were talking about rohnd De Santis and why he was not going to win 396 00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:48,880 against Trump. But there was this, you know, the Trump speech, 397 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:53,079 he's talking about like having self respect as a country and not having a ugly 398 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,680 capital city with graffiti everywhere, and he's like, I'm gonna clean off the 399 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,599 swastikas off all these monuments, which you know in Washington, d C. 400 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:07,720 We've kind of let things go to seed. Meanwhile, Ron DeSantis is out 401 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,200 there talking about like the blessings of liberty and like how important these like theoretical 402 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:18,000 concepts of freedom are. And it was just kind of it was a good 403 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,880 speech, very short, but I was just thinking, like, yeah, 404 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,519 the people chose the guy who said he'd clean he'd clean the swastikas off the 405 00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:29,039 monuments. You know, there's like a simplicity to that that seems to resonate 406 00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:34,119 with voters. And then Nicki Hayley had the just unbelievable speech where she said 407 00:29:34,119 --> 00:29:40,720 that Iowa made it a two person race. It seems like she had written 408 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,839 the speech when she was as was expected, when she was supposed to get 409 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,920 second place. You know, all the polls had her winning second, So 410 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,680 if it's second place, saying it's a two person race would make sense because 411 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,640 it would be just her and Trump and Ron would have been in a really 412 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:02,720 disappointing third place finish, and she's gonna she could potentially win New Hampshire because 413 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,119 it's a totally open primary type thing, or very open primary. But she 414 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,160 just gave the speech that it was a two person race after she came in 415 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,240 third, and I was like, this is delusional, So let's talk about 416 00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:15,519 her and that for a minute. So obviously, or I think at least, 417 00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:18,640 her reasoning is like, I'm probably going to do well on New Hampshire, 418 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:22,960 DeSantis won't. Then we go to South Carolina, which is my state, 419 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:26,559 which she's probably gonna lose pretty big to Donald Trump as well, but 420 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,039 she might do better than Ron de Santis. So she's essentially counting DeSantis out 421 00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:36,559 and herself as the secondary candidate. I will say that I was reading this 422 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,759 theory somewhere, maybe it was on someone wrote it at the Federalism. I 423 00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:45,559 don't remembver wrote it, but it was me just kidding the uh, not 424 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,000 the theory, but the yeah, the theory. I guess that what happened 425 00:30:48,039 --> 00:30:53,039 here was and why Haley's even competitive, if you can call it that is 426 00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:57,599 that a lot of donors are behind Ron DeSantis as the alternative to Donald Trump. 427 00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:00,839 When they figured out that Ronda Santus was actually serious about some of these 428 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,279 social issues that they are not serious about at all, they were like, 429 00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:07,799 we need to find someone who's not serious about these issues. And Nikki Haley 430 00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:11,680 is basically what's left, and she leaned into like it's her turn and all 431 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:18,519 of those identity politics things that Republicans hate. I actually am surprised she gets 432 00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:22,519 as many votes as she does. To me, it seems like she doesn't 433 00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:25,839 appeal to the populist, and she doesn't appeal to the movement conservative, and 434 00:31:26,319 --> 00:31:32,720 she doesn't appeal to I'm sorry, excuse me, So she appeals to neocons. 435 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,279 So apparently whatever percentage she gets and I mean real neocons, so whatever 436 00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:40,680 percentage she's getting of people who are actually involved in thinking about elections, it's 437 00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:45,519 those types of people Bush remnants of the Bush. Yeah. And I think 438 00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:52,160 the remnant of the Bush era of the Republican Party is partially about neokon interventionism, 439 00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:57,240 yes, but it's also about wanting to be liked by left wing media 440 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,519 or like thinking that maybe if we nominate a woman, they won't be so 441 00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:07,039 mean. Much of the Republican Party was cured of that when they nominated Mitt 442 00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:10,279 Romney, who at the time at least seemed like a totally nice person and 443 00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:13,920 they still called him hitler. Then they were like, Okay, it literally 444 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,319 doesn't matter who we nominate. They're going to try to destroy us no matter 445 00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:20,799 what. But there is that remnant that's like, well, maybe they would 446 00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:24,680 stop being mean to us if we nominated someone who agrees with them half the 447 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:30,000 time. And that to me is the divide even more than the neocon interventionism, 448 00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:36,759 which certainly has its hold on you know, it turns out both parties, 449 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:40,200 but I don't know, but yeah, she's got a lot of money. 450 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:45,720 The Coke Network, which used to care about like freedom and liberty and 451 00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:52,200 non interventionism, went all in, Like that's her entire area of support in 452 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:57,119 Iowa and New Hampshire. That's that army, which is kind of weird, 453 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:06,519 and the donors just absolutely love her. I think the donors have two desires. 454 00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:09,039 One is to have a candidate they can control, and I think that 455 00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:15,279 they had reason to believe that there was something work that they could work with 456 00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:21,519 with Ron DeSantis in that he kind of backtracked on his Ukraine position when a 457 00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:24,240 donor asked him to, according to reports, and there was something else he 458 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:29,880 backed down on. I can't remember, but I think they also just mostly 459 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:36,160 care about not having Donald Trump. Like life is not good for some elites 460 00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:39,640 when Donald Trump is president. For a lot of the people, they like 461 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,839 it, but a lot of the power centers in New York and la. 462 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,759 I mean, I was up in New York this week and talking to someone 463 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:51,359 about how and it was actually someone who's a Trump supporter, and he was 464 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,079 saying he was kind of like getting ready for the tension of the coming year, 465 00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:01,000 because he was saying that his friends and millieu are entirely trumped arranged, 466 00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:05,759 and it just makes it hard to interact with them. And I think that 467 00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:13,320 probably affects the donor class more than normal people. I Mean, sometimes I 468 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,400 think it's overstated or simplified when people say, you know, it's true, 469 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,840 the donor class doesn't like Donald Trump, but there are plenty of voters I 470 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,400 actually don't love him either. I mean, he's not a you know, 471 00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:30,039 as popular figure in the world as many Republicans, I think think with regular 472 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:35,079 people. So I wouldn't mind an alternative, and I think Ron Desantez offers 473 00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,320 one that's actually pretty good. But I don't think My problem with Nikki Haley, 474 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,639 who I don't hate as much as other people but seem to, but 475 00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,000 she kind of when she talks, it's one of these people where you feel 476 00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:49,920 is saying, like reading a script about what she thinks Conservatives want to hear 477 00:34:50,039 --> 00:34:52,880 or think. But she gets confused when she says something that really offends them, 478 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,559 like the identity politics stuff, and she doesn't really get why. And 479 00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:00,679 she said other things like oh, there should be and not you know, 480 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:05,239 there should be a law that doesn't allow anonymity in speech, like did you 481 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,000 not read about Citizens United? Do you not know that that has helped Republicans, 482 00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:15,199 you know, helped conservatives innumerable ways, stuff like that. So she 483 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,280 doesn't like get it somehow, I don't. I don't really even know how 484 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:22,239 she was a conservative governor. She seemed to do pretty good stuff over there. 485 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,679 I don't think she was considered that good of a governor. She's a 486 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,239 very good politician, I do, And I have to say, you know, 487 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:31,719 I obviously am not a fan of her, but I think she's run 488 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,440 a really smart campaign, even insofar as getting the donors to get behind her 489 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:43,639 and getting all of sort of the DC establishment behind her. She I think 490 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,880 that was a last grass, like where else would they go if not Nicki 491 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:50,639 Haley after DeSantis. But again might be a last grasp, But that's all 492 00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:55,880 that matters if it's she came in third in Iowa and didn't have, you 493 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,440 know, other than the Koke people that they that she got on the ground 494 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:00,719 there, kind of like she didn't have much of a campaign before that, 495 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:06,559 and she is doing well in New Hampshire. I do think there was something 496 00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,039 so I think the ideal scenario for Nikki, the neo cons the donor class 497 00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:15,000 would have been that she got the second place she was expected to get. 498 00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:19,840 That was kind of like needed. In Iowa. She had this momentum between 499 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,599 August and December. Then it kind of stagnated. But she's in really good 500 00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:28,800 position in New Hampshire. They ran the campaign. Bill Crystal talked about it, 501 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,679 Axios talked about it, of having Democrats changed their party registration at the 502 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,400 caucus to support her. It worked. That's actually why she did so well 503 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:43,760 in Iowa and she's definitely getting that in New Hampshire and it's why she will 504 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,760 do well in New Hampshire. The rest of the primaries and systems like, 505 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,800 they're not going to go so well for her because they're not so open to 506 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,679 Democrats who want to play spoiler. But she needed to come in second, 507 00:36:55,119 --> 00:37:00,119 and then I think the Vake dropping out was not very good for her. 508 00:37:00,159 --> 00:37:05,119 And what I'm thinking here is Christie dropping out was like the biggest gift in 509 00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:09,159 the world for her. That's the that's the even more pure anti Trumpist vote. 510 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:15,199 So she gets that twelve percent or whatever that he had in New Hampshire 511 00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:20,519 and that could be enough to get her the win. But the vague voters 512 00:37:20,599 --> 00:37:25,280 likewise are just pure Trump voters. So his seven or eight percent in Iowa, 513 00:37:25,559 --> 00:37:29,239 that really would have if he had dropped out, I bet you know 514 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,599 Trump would have done gotten most of those. He will get most of that 515 00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:36,519 support in New Hampshire, so it kind of like takes away a little bit. 516 00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:39,360 He didn't have as much as Christy did at all, but it takes 517 00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:43,280 away a little bit of that momentum that she was kind of getting thanks to 518 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,400 the Chris Christie coming out of the race and everyone's saying she was going to 519 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,360 get second in Iowa, so it didn't go as well for her as she 520 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:55,519 was hoping. That's interesting. Yeah, I mean, I think you're right 521 00:37:55,559 --> 00:38:00,079 that most of VIVAC. Though it's weird sometimes when you see second choices and 522 00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:04,719 polls for certain candidates, you're like, what are these people even thinking about? 523 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,679 You know, But I think you're right in general, the Vivek voters 524 00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,360 or Trump voters, he was just he was just a stalking horse for Trump 525 00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,760 in my opinion. So I am not a fan of his at all. 526 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,639 I know that we have we differ on that. I just why why are 527 00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:21,840 you not? If I ask? Because I really liked him. I don't 528 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,159 think he's genuine at all. I just like, relative to a normal human 529 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:31,119 or to a politician, just relative to a normal, a normal human being. 530 00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:35,880 I just I don't. I don't exactly know what on that scale. 531 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,960 It's not like politicians are genuine. But I don't believe that he believes what 532 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:45,039 he says. I think there's a kind of nastiness to what he does. 533 00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:50,199 That was was also kind of fraudulent in a weird way, like he was 534 00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:55,039 on a kamikaze mission. What I don't remember the way he talked even Nikki 535 00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:59,480 Hilly. I don't like the things he said were so outrageous sometimes in my 536 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:01,679 view, and I don't I'm not gonna be able to quote it. I 537 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:06,199 just I found him really off putting. Hey, you know, everyone votes 538 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:08,599 because they like a guy's charisma or whatever. Some people just turn me off. 539 00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:12,519 And I just, like I've said this before, he just even when 540 00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,039 I agreed with him, it felt like he was trying to sell me a 541 00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:19,679 timeshare in Myrtle Beach or something like. He is a salesman, not authentic 542 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,239 in any way. That's how I view him. I don't know, you've 543 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:23,599 warmed up to him quite a bit from the beginning. I don't know. 544 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,440 I never didn't. I never had like a strong opposition to him. I 545 00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:35,960 actually usually don't have a ton of feelings about Canadates in general. I do 546 00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:43,239 get that he comes off kind of slick. I get that, But I 547 00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,880 just wish he could be the czar of destroying the FBI or returning it to 548 00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:53,599 a functioning law enforcement you know agency, Like would he is he capable of 549 00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:58,480 that? He's never really from what I've read about his like, he made 550 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,719 a lot of money, he's successful, and I'm not diminishing that, but 551 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,320 I don't know that he has kind of expertise to do something like that. 552 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:07,719 I would like him as press secretary. Actually, I wasn't even talking about 553 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,480 that. What I'm trying to say is I like that when he learned a 554 00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:17,400 topic, he really understood the seriousness of the situation. I think that it 555 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:22,400 was strategic for him to be in this position of like, Okay, I 556 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:30,960 will be much more extreme in like talking about the stakes of the country, 557 00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:32,840 what the country is going through right now than Donald Trump. Like that was 558 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:36,840 it was a new way of being where he was like, yeah, that 559 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,159 guy's kind of a squish. I'm not a squish, but I do he 560 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:44,920 seemed to actually understand these positions, like he would talk about them in detail 561 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,719 in a way that mattered. I liked his interactions with the media. I'm 562 00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:51,400 not saying that I think he's, you know, a future president or something, 563 00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,039 but I do think he has a future of some kind in politics or 564 00:40:55,039 --> 00:41:00,880 even like in the non political realm where you talk about ideas. I don't 565 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,719 know, Oh, he's definitely not. I mean, he's definitely a bright 566 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,559 guy. Like he when I would hear, you know, once he got 567 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,320 a hold of a topic. He would definitely have a lot of facts that 568 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:14,400 his fingertipsy is a smart guy. I'm not you know, I don't know. 569 00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:15,800 Maybe you should have run for Senate in OHI isn't he from Ohio? 570 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,960 Oh? I actually I think I said that a while back. Yeah, 571 00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:23,880 I don't know if that if that was determined not to be something that would 572 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:29,800 have worked well for him. But I don't know. I just think people 573 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,480 run for president for different reasons, Like Chris Christy is running for a TV 574 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:39,679 contract and Vi Vague Ramaswami was running probably not like an idea that he actually 575 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,679 would be president. Rond DeSantis was running to be president. And so when 576 00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:50,079 you judge how they how things turned out for each of them. Ron de 577 00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:54,599 Santis, you know, prior to deciding to run in this election against Donald 578 00:41:54,639 --> 00:42:01,239 Trump, inarguably had one of the brighter political careers on the horizon. Whether 579 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:06,920 he will continue to have that future, I think depends a lot on what 580 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:12,400 he does in the next few weeks. Whereas Vivek Ramaswami was someone nobody knew 581 00:42:12,519 --> 00:42:16,239 at all and now has like has a lot of love from a lot of 582 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:22,159 people for how he handled his campaign obviously also really angered the Washington d C 583 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,519 types and others who didn't like the way, you know, the way he 584 00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:30,320 was presenting issues. I get that, but on a pretty small like, 585 00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:36,679 he just went from from nobody in the political sphere to having I think a 586 00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,920 bright future. Yeah, I mean, does no one see the hypocrisy of 587 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:45,360 someone getting up there and yammering on about plutocrats and all the control of money 588 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:51,840 who literally just bought himself with his wealth a ticket to you know, to 589 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:53,880 a to a presidential candidacy. He is, you know, he had no 590 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,800 business running for president. I mean, anyone could run, you want to 591 00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,559 run, run, But you know the whole idea that I mean, he's 592 00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:05,119 super wealthy. It's the only reason, you know what his name is. 593 00:43:05,159 --> 00:43:08,079 He has no accomplishments that anyone could name other than being you know, wealthy 594 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:13,679 I mean in the public sphere. So anyway, he made his wealth himself. 595 00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:15,559 I'm not I'm not dissing him for that. I'm just saying, like 596 00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:20,360 what he ran for president to be famous, he didn't run for he had 597 00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:23,079 no real agenda. He just took Donald Trump's agenda word for word. Whatever 598 00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:30,039 Donald Trump liked, he likes and and all the trendy stuff that was going 599 00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:34,400 on, and he has no he hasn't built up any kind of like philosophy 600 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,840 or that. You know, a few years ago he was a you know, 601 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:39,440 he had he had different opinions on a bunch of stuff. My only 602 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,519 point is like, I don't think here's any special about it. I mean 603 00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:46,679 again, I think you can overstate that the way he came into politics was 604 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:55,800 because he started writing about how corporations were being overly they were overly swearing alert 605 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,039 allegiance to racist like DEI programs, and how that was not good. And 606 00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:05,119 so you know, he kind of wrote some books on this. He was 607 00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:08,199 published in the Wall Street Journal once he started doing that. It also actually 608 00:44:08,519 --> 00:44:14,079 was causing a conflict in his own corporation that was, you know itself kind 609 00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:20,559 of like victim to some of this stuff. And I think it was a 610 00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:23,800 genuine interest in politics. I also think he has this thing where he gets 611 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,000 bored with stuff after every few years. Like he's had a lot of different 612 00:44:29,159 --> 00:44:32,400 He had a different business in law school where he made a lot of money 613 00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:37,840 there, and then he starts a new business and he like tried out stand 614 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:43,079 up comedy, tried out book author, he tried out politician. I think 615 00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:45,400 he just gets a little he likes to change things up. But I find 616 00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,480 him interesting, and he just didn't He just didn't bother me like he did 617 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,920 to you. Yeah, but you know, my inclination is not to like 618 00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:58,320 any kind of populist stuff, and he just went like hyper hyper populist right 619 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,360 away. But anyway, let's talk for a second. Something about DeSantis' future 620 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:07,679 depends on what he does in the next few weeks. I assume you're insinua 621 00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:14,199 or you're saying that, like, if he drags this out and makes it 622 00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,119 more uncomfortable for Donald Trump or whatever keeps going after Trump or hurts Trump, 623 00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:22,519 that people will hold him accountable for that. Are you saying that I shouldn't 624 00:45:22,519 --> 00:45:30,800 put words in your mouth? Oh yeah. I think that he needs to 625 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:37,239 think about whether his future is one of like anger about his poor performance in 626 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:42,840 this campaign, or whether it's about being part of a successful effort to win 627 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:47,559 elections going forward. But I don't know. You've got to give people time 628 00:45:47,559 --> 00:45:52,039 to heal from this. It's not it's so difficult. You know, he 629 00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:58,280 was so much what people were thinking would be the means by which you could 630 00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,320 take down Trump. Uh. That's that was sort of his whole case for 631 00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:06,159 or you know what I mean. That was like only he could actually take 632 00:46:06,199 --> 00:46:10,719 on Trump, and he's clearly failed at that. There are perhaps many reasons 633 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:16,079 for that, But I think I want, I want what he has done 634 00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:21,960 in Florida to have a future. And I don't mean by that like everything. 635 00:46:22,079 --> 00:46:25,079 I mean, I'm not like super informed on all of the different things 636 00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:30,360 that he was doing in Florida. But this idea that governors have real power 637 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,639 and that they should use it. I like that, and I want I 638 00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:38,599 don't know, I just want him to do well. But he it would 639 00:46:38,639 --> 00:46:43,559 be great if he and Trump could heal their rift. I think when he 640 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,960 if he loses it, there'll be a bigger night coming up. Primary night. 641 00:46:49,039 --> 00:46:54,480 He'll lose probably a number of states, and then he will endorse Trump. 642 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,920 I mean, I just think he'll endorse Trump, and then Trump will 643 00:46:59,039 --> 00:47:02,559 forgive him. They will make an appearance together. Trump's this weird dude where 644 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:07,639 if you're disloyal, he will bury you, right, but if you come 645 00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:09,880 back to the fold. He doesn't really seem to hold these kind of like 646 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,719 grudges for him. This is just all business, you know. And I 647 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,039 just think that once DeSantis comes back into the fold and says, you know, 648 00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:20,480 Donald Trump needs to be president, Trump's going to be, you know. 649 00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:23,599 And I just by by twenty by, when's the next election, twenty 650 00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:27,440 twenty eight, no one's even going to remember any of this. I don't 651 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,000 think anyone will remember it by the time. First of all, as soon 652 00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:34,159 as he endorses Trump, the whole media will be like, he's such a 653 00:47:34,199 --> 00:47:36,440 fraud. You know, he's worse. You know, he's just as bad 654 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,159 as Trump, this and that. I mean, you remember when people thought 655 00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:40,760 he could actually win, that he was worse than Trump, Like whoever? 656 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:45,280 I remember that. Yeah, So I don't. I don't buy that this 657 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:49,400 damage to me that to me was the case the case for him. Yeah, 658 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,519 exactly. I don't think that most people who don't like him now actually 659 00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:58,800 have any real problems with him. I think they if Trump dropped out. 660 00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:00,559 So we're so going to hear, We're going to hear from listeners who are 661 00:48:00,559 --> 00:48:05,000 going to, like in detail, say what their problems are or what their 662 00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,639 problems are with Trump or yeah, I mean, I don't my problems with 663 00:48:08,679 --> 00:48:12,920 all of them, I don't, you know, I just anyway, whatever, 664 00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:14,880 you know, you know how I feel about Trump. I think it's 665 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:17,280 a mistake. I think DeSantis is a better candidate. But DeSantis is not 666 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,880 a perfect candidate either. I don't know how, you know, honestly, 667 00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,440 how that whole charisma thing or lack of it works in a general election. 668 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:27,280 I don't know. I just know that they're running against Joe Biden, who 669 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,440 is just the one that perhaps the most incompetent president of all time, and 670 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,920 this should be an easy election to win. Everything has gone wrong, not 671 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,199 everything has gone wrong for Joe Biden. Joe Biden has made everything worse. 672 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:43,119 And he should be one of the most easily beatable people. I know, 673 00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:45,679 there's a built in, like you know, way people vote, but he 674 00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:49,480 should. He is a beatable income president. Okay, just one thing on 675 00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:54,000 that too. Yeah. The Democrat Party understands that they can't really have an 676 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:59,079 open primary because that would weaken Joe Biden. You might say, oh, 677 00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:00,960 how could you weaken him any more? But you actually could if you had 678 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:07,519 a truly open primary where Democrat voters were allowed to pick someone else. So 679 00:49:07,559 --> 00:49:12,760 they just made it so that there wouldn't be an open primary. And they're 680 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,920 just sort of pretending like they don't exist. You might not like that for 681 00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:20,480 democracy reasons, but from party control reasons, that's really smart. Joe Biden 682 00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:25,239 has been able to begin running against Donald Trump both by trying to secure his 683 00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,159 prosecution, by trying to keep him off his ballot, off the ballot, 684 00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:32,360 but also just by like running against him for years. Meanwhile, the Republicans 685 00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,679 are still trying to figure out who their nominee is, even though we all 686 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,960 kind of know who it's going to be. The longer it drags out, 687 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:44,119 the more it weakens the eventual Republican nominee in the general. So a party 688 00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:47,000 that wants to actually win elections should be thinking a little bit about whether they 689 00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:51,199 want to just keep having this go on and on and on, or whether 690 00:49:51,199 --> 00:49:57,599 they want to have it be decided and then just like move forward unified because 691 00:49:58,119 --> 00:50:01,199 who runs for president affects the Senate in the House, or like running in 692 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,960 a unified fashion behind whoever it is it matters. That's why the Republican Party 693 00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:13,559 made everybody get behind George W. Bush or John McCain or Mitt Romney. 694 00:50:14,119 --> 00:50:20,280 And that's because, you know, kids, like a unified party is important 695 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,039 for some reason, there's like this huge asterisk next to Donald Trump where it's 696 00:50:23,039 --> 00:50:25,440 like, oh, now we don't actually enforce that you have to get behind 697 00:50:25,480 --> 00:50:30,719 the nominee, but if they wanted to win, they would probably do what 698 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:36,360 they did, you know in previous situations. Well, I kept push back 699 00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,000 on that. I think, please do. That is not always the case. 700 00:50:42,119 --> 00:50:44,760 Maybe with these old timers it's going to be the case. But I 701 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:50,039 can remember Obama and Hillary having a really nasty, you know, go at 702 00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:53,239 each other, and I think that Obama became a better and better candidate and 703 00:50:53,320 --> 00:51:00,679 his campaign became stronger because of a primary battle. I don't know that's certainly 704 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,239 true in twenty sixteen. But we're talking about once they become the nominee. 705 00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:09,719 Well, I mean once Donald Trump, if he wins enough delegates or whatever, 706 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,360 he's going to be nominee, and then everyone's going to support him, 707 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,679 probably even Nicky Haley's thinking of you think money spent in the primary is better 708 00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:22,119 than money spent to fight Joe Biden, then that's fine. I don't don't 709 00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:25,880 know if it's better or not. I think that Trump's basically been running the 710 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:30,559 general election mostly anyway, right, Yeah, so it has he has and 711 00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:37,599 that has worked out well for him. So I don't know. All right, 712 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,519 enough of that, Let's talk about culture. This is what everyone's here 713 00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:45,280 for, right. I don't have very exciting things, Like I've been very 714 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,400 busy. Mark went hunting. I was like, the kids had busy things. 715 00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,320 We're painting the interior of our house, which has been very time consuming. 716 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,280 So the only thing I really have to add to this is that I 717 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,400 am continue to watch The Chosen or I should say we are. The family 718 00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:07,760 has been watching it, and I am, much to my surprise, continuing 719 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:14,159 to really enjoy it, even as I quibble with some of the choices they've 720 00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:17,639 made in how they tell the story. So, as you know, I'm 721 00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:24,360 a huge fan of the show, despite being a non believer. Most I've 722 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,679 watched a bunch of Christian themed movies and stuff, and they were usually garbage. 723 00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:34,239 The acting is terrible, production values are terrible. Everything about the show 724 00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,960 not everything. Most things about the show are excellent. You know, It's 725 00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:43,840 almost like they do so much with the money they have that it's almost feels 726 00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:45,039 like a big production. You know, in a way, I don't know 727 00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:47,159 how much they spend on it. I know they raise a lot of money. 728 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,800 I enjoyed it a lot, and we've gone through it before, so 729 00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:54,360 I'm happy. You know, I did suggest the show to you like a 730 00:52:54,519 --> 00:53:00,079 year ago, right, and you dismissed it like I'm a nut. I 731 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,119 think this one, this one, she'll like. It's a Christian show. 732 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,840 She'll like that. I'm watching it. No. I feel exactly the same 733 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,239 way you do about a lot of the art produced related to, you know, 734 00:53:09,519 --> 00:53:13,800 Christian stuff. Like I thought Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ was 735 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,800 really well done. I can only watch it like once every you know, 736 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,719 fifteen years. I mean I've literally only watched it twice. But I really 737 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:24,239 like it. I also really liked I think I've talked about it like years 738 00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:31,079 ago. The Gospel according to Matthew, which was this Italian movie made by 739 00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:37,719 Pasolini in nineteen sixty four. That's just like a It just takes you through 740 00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:43,159 the Gospel of same Matthew, really well done. Really liked it. And 741 00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:45,679 this almost reminds me a little bit of I don't know it. Actually, 742 00:53:45,679 --> 00:53:49,519 it doesn't remind me of that. Did you hear that Scorsese's doing a Jesus 743 00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:53,800 movie? Said in present? Did I hope he has I hope that Jesus 744 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:58,599 sends him an editor to help him. Yes, he said, it's only 745 00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:01,760 going to be like two hours. So the choice. Do you ever see 746 00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:09,239 the Last Temptation of Christ? No? And I should, yeah, But 747 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,639 even as I don't like some of the choices made and then chosen, it's 748 00:54:15,679 --> 00:54:19,840 more like it's like a minor thing. Like they definitely make humor a big 749 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:25,039 part of the dynamic between the disciples, but I but it had to in 750 00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:28,559 scripture. We know that they did fight with each other, they like, 751 00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:30,559 you know, leverage for control and so like, I like kind of the 752 00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:36,400 way that they're talking about that. It just annoys me that the historic, 753 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:42,159 the historical inaccuracy of the role of women. And I come from a traditional 754 00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,079 you know, I'm a traditional Lutheran. This is like a minor thing. 755 00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:50,440 But for me, you know, I follow what Scripture says about order of 756 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,760 creation and headship and things like that. So like if I'm praying with another 757 00:54:53,920 --> 00:55:00,159 Christian, I will, you know, generally speaking, if I'm like to 758 00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,800 lunch with a man who's Christian and we're praying, I will ask him to 759 00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:07,159 pray. And in this chosen they're just they keep on having women in like 760 00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,639 positions. I just have a hard time believing they'd be in Like, yeah, 761 00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:14,360 I hadn't thought of that traveling as a single person with a man, 762 00:55:14,599 --> 00:55:17,079 or even if it's like a satyr in a woman's house. But if she's 763 00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:22,000 a single woman, wouldn't she defer to the rabbi who was there to do 764 00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,599 the prayers as opposed to doing them herself. And it just bothers, Like 765 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,599 I get that it it's not like the end of the day, but it 766 00:55:28,639 --> 00:55:34,000 just kind of annoys me. Don't they even invent characters women, characters that 767 00:55:34,119 --> 00:55:37,079 aren't in the Bible? Right? Yeah? I was like, who's it? 768 00:55:37,119 --> 00:55:38,280 I mean, I think so, actually, maybe maybe I need to 769 00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,079 check, but like the Raima character, is that what you're thinking of? 770 00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:49,159 Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I did like the whole spookiness 771 00:55:49,199 --> 00:55:52,320 of the Mary Magdalene story and stuff like that. I thought that was pretty 772 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:53,599 well done. I don't know what do you mean by spooky? Do you 773 00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:58,639 mean that she was demon possessed? Yeah, exactly like they Yeah, I 774 00:55:58,679 --> 00:56:00,719 no, no, I know, I'm just saying that they really put like 775 00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:06,159 meat on it, like it's it's it's pretty well done. It's scary, 776 00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:12,159 almost horror movie level scary, like how possessed she is and that whole thing. 777 00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:16,519 I like that whole I like the Nicodemus character a lot. And I 778 00:56:16,559 --> 00:56:21,519 don't know where we're going with him. Wait, funny, wait, which 779 00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:27,679 one's Nicodemus again? The Jewish leader? Oh? Oh, the rabbi. 780 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,079 You see the way he's dressed and stuff. I'm always like, is that 781 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:34,679 is that historically accurate? I don't know, because it seems a little modern 782 00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:37,920 for me. Oh, I think us of the San Hendrian guy. Yeah, 783 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:42,840 okay, I like Roman. Who's the Roman general? Dude, he's 784 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:49,119 hilarious, don't talk. I don't know. But anyway, so I'm looking 785 00:56:49,159 --> 00:56:51,960 forward to continuing it. But I don't feel like every time I'm talking to 786 00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:53,480 people about it, they're like, how have you not been watching this for 787 00:56:53,639 --> 00:57:00,679 years? So you should feel vindicated. I think I mentioned this before, 788 00:57:00,679 --> 00:57:06,000 but they make Matthew kind of autistic a little bit. I really love that. 789 00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:08,679 Yeah, I don't know, it just makes him real. I don't 790 00:57:08,679 --> 00:57:14,920 know enough about scripture to be too involved in well commenting, but I do. 791 00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:17,119 I don't know, and I humanize these people. Yeah, but you 792 00:57:17,159 --> 00:57:21,920 know, Matthew is just so precise the Gospel of Saint Matthew. It's so 793 00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:25,000 precise, so much about the logical case, you know, for this and 794 00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:30,320 that, and so I like that they bring that out in the character. 795 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,599 And then I just watched the first season, the first episode of season two, 796 00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:40,760 which was about John and how he wrote his Gospel of John, which 797 00:57:42,039 --> 00:57:45,679 is for many Christians myself included a you know, it's a fan favorite, 798 00:57:45,239 --> 00:57:47,440 and the beginning of that is one of the most beautiful things. You know, 799 00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:50,280 in the beginning was the word. The word was with God, and 800 00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,719 the Word was God and getting that. The episode is kind of about how 801 00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,679 how that came to him. I liked it. They do. They do 802 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:04,519 some calling the flashbacks, get some flashbacks to Old Testament stuff occasionally to start 803 00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:07,679 seasons, so those are kind of interesting as well. So just also a 804 00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:13,000 quick plug because I've decided I'm going to take the kids to a museum on 805 00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:16,320 Saturday. And we've done a lot of the National Gallery of Art and the 806 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,719 Bible Museum in our past, just because I love the National Gallery of Art 807 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,280 and we're members of the Bible Museum the Bible, but I'm we're going to 808 00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:28,920 go somewhere else. I don't know yet where, but the Bible Museum is 809 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,239 a really good museum in DC, and they had a couple of years ago 810 00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:37,719 a really good exhibit on the Samaritans, and I was glad that I went 811 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:46,920 through that before the Chosen stuff where they're visiting Samaritans. Yeah. Last week 812 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:52,079 I recommended Paul Johnson's Sister of the Jews, and he has a whole history 813 00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:54,119 of the Samaritans in there. It's very interesting. Oh interesting, Okay, 814 00:58:54,119 --> 00:58:59,159 So on that note, I went to buy a used book in Amazon, 815 00:58:59,719 --> 00:59:02,679 and but I was like trying to make sure that I didn't have it already, 816 00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:05,960 because I think I might already have it, but our books are out 817 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,880 of order right now. So I held it in the cart and it got 818 00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:13,760 bought. And then I did it two more times that I put History of 819 00:59:13,760 --> 00:59:15,719 the Jews in the cart and they got bought. And I was like, 820 00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:22,039 I think federalist radio listeners are like totally buying up all these copies based on 821 00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:24,480 your recommendation. Any one time I wrote a column in Denver. You know 822 00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:31,159 the record store wax tracks? Do I know the record store wax tracks at 823 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:35,440 Oh my gosh, wait, wait, what was the thirteenth in Pennsylvania. 824 00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:40,199 I don't remember, but I intimately, well, I know all of the 825 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:45,559 stores there. That's where I purchased all my first records, and even still 826 00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:52,840 go back there all the time. I believe they moved to Colfax Avenue and 827 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:58,559 they are part of a building with what's the big books are tattered cover like 828 00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:00,880 I think they're like this big, one, big place. Now. Any 829 01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:06,039 event, I wrote a column about wax tracks, and I don't think that's 830 01:00:06,119 --> 01:00:09,519 right. There's a record store there for sure. Okay, oh I've been. 831 01:00:09,639 --> 01:00:13,960 I haven't been there there. I think I was there this summer. 832 01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:16,039 It's a new tattered cover. It's not okay, Oh no, maybe it's 833 01:00:16,119 --> 01:00:19,679 not. I don't know. All right, I'm sorry about that. The 834 01:00:19,719 --> 01:00:22,800 new tattered cover is on cool facts. It's not as charming as it was 835 01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:27,159 when it was in University Hills area and then. But they do sell my 836 01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:29,239 books. I'm always like happy when I go in there and I see my 837 01:00:29,239 --> 01:00:30,920 books. There's a tattered cover in Lodo as well, or there used to 838 01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:36,400 be when I work there down in Lodo. Yeah, okay, so at 839 01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,199 the end of sixteenth Street sort of. But anyway, So anyway, I 840 01:00:39,199 --> 01:00:43,280 wrote a column about it, and I just mentioned some crazy band I like 841 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,440 called the Swell Maps from the seventies, and I went back and the guys 842 01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:50,880 like, everyone bought all the Swell Maps. He's like they were sitting there 843 01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,480 for like a decade, no one ever bought one, and everyone bought them. 844 01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:55,599 I have no idea why I'm telling you this story, but it is 845 01:00:55,639 --> 01:01:02,440 interesting or weird when you realize people are listening to you and actually like moving 846 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:07,760 on your recommendations. I too have been busy. I've sent in the first 847 01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:12,320 manuscript of my book, so I was I'll tell you you've written books like 848 01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,880 it takes so much out of you. I don't want to complain because I'm 849 01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:16,559 very happy that I get to do this for a living, but it really 850 01:01:17,079 --> 01:01:20,840 is a book is a lot of work. I just want people to know 851 01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:28,480 that it's the twenty fifth anniversary of The Sopranos. So I was watching since 852 01:01:28,519 --> 01:01:30,039 did you ever watch The Sopranos? Did you like it? I did not 853 01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:34,880 watch it every episode. I used to do things like it's so weird because 854 01:01:34,920 --> 01:01:39,320 now everyone's isolated and alone. But we used to go over to the people 855 01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,760 who had HBO to watch it. Wasn't it on HBO or was it? 856 01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:45,639 Yeah, yeah, and I didn't have HBO because I was like poor kid, 857 01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:50,119 and so we would go over to like someone like usually it was like 858 01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:52,840 a young man who had HBO and we would we'd make parties out of it 859 01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:57,280 anyway, nice. So I was just rewatching some of it. I do 860 01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:02,119 like that show quite a bit. I read a book really quick. It 861 01:02:02,159 --> 01:02:05,880 took me like just a couple of hours. But it's called mud Ride by 862 01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:09,559 Steve Turner who was in the band called mud Honey that I liked. One 863 01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:14,000 of my most memorable shows I ever went to is mud Honey in like eighty 864 01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:16,800 nine I think it was. Yes, I'm old and so I've always been 865 01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,480 a fan. Oh so Netflix has this show I talked. I spoke about 866 01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:28,719 this years ago. It's called louder Milk. Oh yes, go on, 867 01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:31,559 sorry, yeah, yeah, it's just about I think he's a former record 868 01:02:31,639 --> 01:02:37,000 critic or movie, yeah, a music critic, and it's kind of one 869 01:02:37,039 --> 01:02:39,320 of these small shows I would call it, you know, where there are 870 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:43,760 just a few characters and it's just you know, it's just I think he's 871 01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:50,039 very funny. He's a cranky cerbic figure who is very gen X and doesn't 872 01:02:50,119 --> 01:02:54,000 really understand how the world works today very well, right, Yes, I 873 01:02:54,039 --> 01:03:00,360 have watched a few episodes of it, and I like that guy first of 874 01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:04,800 all, the one who yeah what's he was in office space? I forgot 875 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,920 what else. He was in a band of brothers and he was in the 876 01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:14,119 city, which, yeah, and he's married. Do you remember how we 877 01:03:14,119 --> 01:03:19,199 were talking about that boxing movie? Oh yeah, why did he come up 878 01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:22,840 recently? He? Yeah, he was. He's married to Rosemary DeWitt, 879 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:30,639 who's the actual real life Cinderella Matter Cinderella Man. She's the granddaughter of James 880 01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:34,960 Braddock, who's the who's the guy that Cinderella Man is? And she also 881 01:03:35,039 --> 01:03:40,920 was in the Cinderella Man movie. Anyway, all comes together. Uh, 882 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:46,000 and now I'm going too This is a weird one because I haven't I've watched 883 01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:49,880 these movies a while ago. But I really I saw that Netflix just like 884 01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:54,719 dropped a bunch of seventies and late sixties movies, which I am a huge 885 01:03:54,719 --> 01:03:59,079 fan of. So I mean they dropped into Netflix, or they dropped out 886 01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:01,960 of Netflix, dropped in. I see them. They're ready to be watched. 887 01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:08,119 One is Charlie Verreck with Walter Mathow one is The Front Page with Walter 888 01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:14,800 Mathow and Jack Lemon. That's a Ben Hect play, And this movie has 889 01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,960 a young Susan Sarandon and I think Carol Burnett's in it. Oh did you 890 01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:20,880 see the reader email that was like, when you guys talk about something, 891 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:26,320 could you repeat it? I was just about to ask you to repeat because 892 01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:28,840 I wanted to write down because I'm super into seventies movies, and I was 893 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,360 like, I'm actually going to write these names down. I've already forgotten what 894 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:34,519 you said after Charlie Verick. So from page okay, front page, go 895 01:04:34,559 --> 01:04:43,360 on the Parallel, Parallel, parallelex View. I saw that in the last 896 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,800 year, just carolex Yeah, parax View. Yeah, that's I liked that. 897 01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:51,880 One that's with Warren Beatty, right, California Split with It, which 898 01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:58,679 is an Alman movie with George Siegel and Elliott what's his name? I forget 899 01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,639 his first name sometimes? Yeah, like the King of Seventies Movies, Yeah, 900 01:05:01,679 --> 01:05:06,000 yeah, right, really cool? Yeah, like Gooled Okay, it's 901 01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:11,400 got a fantastic mustache. I think the I wish I knew what the seventies 902 01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:14,920 were like, like that he was a sex symbol is such a weird thing. 903 01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,920 I am always this is gonna sound really bad. I'm just gonna say 904 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,559 it. I watched seventies movies and the women all look like prostag Like they 905 01:05:21,599 --> 01:05:26,360 have makeup put on like a prostitute might like it looks really gaudy, Like 906 01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:30,440 I don't understand what people were doing, and they all all the men are 907 01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,719 like did they just hire hairy men? Like every man is a hairy chest, 908 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:42,840 like big beard, mustaches, terrible haircuts, gray suits, brown suits? 909 01:05:43,039 --> 01:05:46,920 What was going on? But yet they made amazing music in art films? 910 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:53,119 Was it wrong to say that I was watching the first No? Am 911 01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:55,960 I wrong to say that a meaning? Like? Am I factually wrong? 912 01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:00,239 Don't a lot of the women look like they didn't really know how to do 913 01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:03,760 makeup yet? But I can't be right because actually I feel the opposite. 914 01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:10,480 I feel like seventies women have this natural beauty that's so interesting, like people 915 01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:15,519 who would never be cast in something now like they're super intriguing, but like 916 01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:17,440 they got a they got like a jagged tooth or something, and you're like, 917 01:06:17,519 --> 01:06:21,079 oh, yeah, how And then the fact that they're so real makes 918 01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:26,239 you kind of like really want to see more of them. I don't know. 919 01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:29,239 No, you're right about that. Yeah, people were not perfect. 920 01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,480 So even just think about neuros gino or like yeah, or even Elliot Gould 921 01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:38,559 like that. The diversity of breast size is interesting to me that there are 922 01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:43,440 a lot of small but it's like captivating because you know it's real, and 923 01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:45,320 it's like, I don't know it's And there was a real big TV movie, 924 01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:47,719 Divide. I can't believe we're getting into this, but like, if 925 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:53,719 you watch Threes Company, everyone is very buxommeing like they're they're just breasts everywhere. 926 01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:57,800 But when you watch movies, it was kind of a different It was 927 01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,559 a different setup, I think interiorated. Okay, do we need to repeat 928 01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:04,679 anything else? We don't need to repeat the chosen, We don't need to 929 01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:11,360 louder milk. And then we're gonna say Charlie Barrick front page, Parallax view 930 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,920 in California, Split can say Parallax can say the word. And then also 931 01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:17,440 I read the book mud Ride, which very few people care about, but 932 01:07:17,519 --> 01:07:21,039 I do get emails from people who are like, oh, you put Fugazi 933 01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:24,559 at the end of the episode. That's amazing. So there are people out 934 01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:27,239 there who are into that kind of music. You know, I get those 935 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:32,440 two. It's true you are on all those emails. I did like that. 936 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:35,280 One of the emails this week just acted like I didn't exist. It 937 01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,960 was like, David, You're so wonderful to listen to blah blah blah. 938 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:41,840 And then I was like, I assume it's going to get to some nice 939 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,840 mention to me. Nope, just David, David David. Oh yeah, 940 01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,639 I like that never happens to me, Like most people write to you. 941 01:07:48,639 --> 01:07:53,159 But let me just say this to everyone who's writing. Molly is spelled m 942 01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:56,440 O L L I E. Not well, I don't care. I don't 943 01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:00,320 actually don't care. It's like sometimes I'll get up, do you know. 944 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:01,760 Its when people that are like, I'm so sorry I misspelled your name, 945 01:08:02,239 --> 01:08:06,239 and I feel like I just am so used to it. I don't care. 946 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:11,760 I don't know why I care. Okay, well there you go. 947 01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:15,400 No, I don't care, honestly, but it is It is funny that 948 01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:17,239 people love you so much that they don't know how to spell your name learn 949 01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:21,920 her name, but they probably just see you on TV most of the time. 950 01:08:23,079 --> 01:08:27,520 So interesting. So it's a unique spelling for Molly. It's not very 951 01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:30,600 common. It's like when English people sometimes spell David with an ea instead of 952 01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:35,720 an I. Did your parents spell your name like that? Because it was 953 01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,920 like the thing whenever you were born? Or is it just was there some 954 01:08:39,960 --> 01:08:45,560 reason for it? So I'm named after a gold mine in Cripple Creek, 955 01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:50,159 Colorado, called the Molly Kathleen gold Mine, and that's how it's spelled in 956 01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:55,399 Cripple Creek, Colorado. So just write that down. We're gonna We're going 957 01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:58,840 to get back to that topic at another time. Why. Oh, I 958 01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:01,079 actually can't do it. I was going to talk about my children's names, 959 01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:04,560 but I won't do that now. But I like that name. And also, 960 01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:09,840 my grandmother is was Irish, so most of my family's German, but 961 01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,439 my grandmother was Irish. So I think my dad really and his mom died 962 01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:20,079 young, and I think he wanted to have some Irish in there. Yeah, 963 01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:25,920 Molly is Irish. And you know the Germans named Molly Kathleen. That's 964 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:30,880 very Irish. Yes, just as David for the firstborn is very Jewish. 965 01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:32,880 Oh. Sorry, one more thing. My husband really likes this guy, 966 01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:39,439 Richard Hawlly. Have you heard of him. No, he's he so I 967 01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,439 just have started listening to the first record that we have of him. But 968 01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,880 he plays guitar and a singer, you know, but he never tours in 969 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:51,359 the United States. He only tours in the UK and in Ireland. And 970 01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:58,560 I was telling a friend that it's a special anniversary, and so I was 971 01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,600 thinking for my husban in me and that maybe, like, for this special 972 01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:05,079 anniversary, we should take a trip to see Richard Holly because I know that 973 01:10:05,079 --> 01:10:10,560 would make my husband so happy. And she pointed out to me that it 974 01:10:10,600 --> 01:10:14,840 is our seventeenth wedding anniversary, which is not really special at all. And 975 01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:19,039 I had mistakenly thought that we were celebrating twenty years of marriage. So I'm 976 01:10:19,079 --> 01:10:26,600 really bad with dates. The special seventeenth I am actually celebrating. We're actually 977 01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,279 celebrating our twenty fifth, so that is soul. Yeah, do you want 978 01:10:30,319 --> 01:10:34,239 to go see Richard Holly in I don't know yet. I'm going to have 979 01:10:34,239 --> 01:10:38,000 to listen to who this is and see if I like them, But they 980 01:10:38,079 --> 01:10:40,800 probably be the OUTR music that I'm going to pick, because I don't think 981 01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,119 we mentioned any other bands, So thank you for that. Some weeks I'm 982 01:10:43,119 --> 01:10:48,359 like, I don't really know what's happening here, so thank you for that 983 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,319 and everyone else. Your lovers are family, anxious for, the fraid to 984 01:10:51,359 --> 01:11:01,399 see you next week.