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The Bill Moran Podcast in Person six Well, Hello 28 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:36,680 and welcome thanks for getting your pod on. Thank you for telling a friend. 29 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,439 That's how we spread the word about the pirate ship. Today, a 30 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:45,199 guy who I only knew my voice for many, many many years. I 31 00:02:45,199 --> 00:02:49,599 didn't even know his real name. He's just known as mister NFL. He's 32 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,800 called every sports show that has ever existed in the greater Rochester area and probably 33 00:02:53,840 --> 00:03:01,719 beyond, Paul Adamo. Am I saying that right? Yes, Adamo is 34 00:03:01,759 --> 00:03:07,000 a great last name. That's like a It almost sounds like a Greek statue. 35 00:03:07,159 --> 00:03:10,360 Yeah, it's mispronounced as a demo and a domo. So what's what 36 00:03:10,759 --> 00:03:15,000 is the adapt what's what actually a demo? But a demo? Oh? 37 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:17,879 I said a domo? Well I said it wrong. See No, I 38 00:03:17,879 --> 00:03:23,039 don't even Adamo sounds so much more statuesque. He sounds like the guy. 39 00:03:23,199 --> 00:03:28,960 Yes, so, uh, mister NFL is a very interesting guy, because 40 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,479 you came in here the other day talking about your reunion with your high school 41 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:38,039 buddies, and the high school you went to no longer exists in Rochester. 42 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,719 Correct, No, it actually does exist. It's just a much much smaller 43 00:03:40,759 --> 00:03:44,639 school. Was it Carnee, Bishop car Oh, it was Carne. My 44 00:03:45,039 --> 00:03:49,159 apologies, Carney does exist, and they've done some interesting things over there with 45 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,560 Galasano working on the curriculum and things like that. Right, Galisano, mister 46 00:03:53,639 --> 00:04:00,159 Gallisono actually saved the school by buying the property. And then he's also so 47 00:04:00,199 --> 00:04:08,520 poured in a lot of money for things like getting each student a laptop. 48 00:04:08,919 --> 00:04:15,520 Yeah, right, And I don't think they'd be would exist now if it 49 00:04:15,599 --> 00:04:18,160 wasn't for him. Yeah, did you your time there, But you had 50 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:23,879 a lot to say when you came in the last time, regarding the brothers 51 00:04:23,920 --> 00:04:27,120 and things and the things that were overlooked and looked over there. And I 52 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,800 don't know how comfortable you are mentioning that. But a lot of news over 53 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,240 the years what went on in the Catholic schools. I think even death cab 54 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:38,319 By QTI has a song and more about the nuns, you know, whacking 55 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,680 my knuckles and telling me that fear was the basis of love and this sort 56 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,279 of thing which seems to be a little counterintuitive to what the world really is 57 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:56,439 about. Well, I go back fifty four years to Bishop Carney nineteen seventy. 58 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:05,680 Yeah, Thanksville nineteen seventy. I come from Long Island, Farmingdale. 59 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:12,399 I went to two years of Saint Domini's in Oyster Bay, which is famous 60 00:05:12,399 --> 00:05:16,839 for one thing. Rick Patino went there, played basketball and is now involved 61 00:05:16,879 --> 00:05:20,000 in the Saint John's program. He's the head coach. Yeah, he was 62 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:26,279 a legendary coach. He had been the president and the coach of the Celtics 63 00:05:26,319 --> 00:05:30,560 for a while. He had started I think he took Rhode Island to Final 64 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:33,040 Four at one point. He was on the Syracuse coaching staff under Boheim for 65 00:05:33,079 --> 00:05:39,240 a brief period and then then legendary with Kentucky and Louisville in all these different 66 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:45,759 places. He actually got started at the He played at Massachusetts, had a 67 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:54,199 somewhat ambiguous career there, but then he wanted to get into coaching. He 68 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:59,000 went to Hawaii. He was a assistant there, I believe, but his 69 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,279 big break was and he went to Syracuse and became the lead recruiter and he 70 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:11,040 was That's what really made him brought him into the spotlight. He recruited I 71 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,600 believe the Bowie and the Louis and Bowie show, really yeah, both of 72 00:06:15,639 --> 00:06:21,759 them. And he became a top recruiter for Beheim and spent years there until 73 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,480 he was ready to become a head coach. He went to Providence. At 74 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:31,240 the time he was at Providence, the three point shot came into fashion, 75 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,480 it was allowed, and it was created. And he took Billy Donovan, 76 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:44,560 who had, you know, overall minimal athletic ability. He was a good, 77 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:50,759 solid guard, but he was a really exceptional shooter, and he highlighted 78 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:57,040 and spotted him and put him on the cover of the program as Billy the 79 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,000 kid dressed a cowboy, that's right. And that was the beginning of Patino 80 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:06,319 what Patino is. And when I was at Saint Dominic's with him, I 81 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:12,040 was two years younger and he was a senior. I was a sophomore, 82 00:07:12,759 --> 00:07:18,079 and I watched him play and he was all greater. He was all excuse 83 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,160 me, all league, Catholic League, and then he was all Long Island, 84 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,439 which was a big deal if you with the population there, if you're 85 00:07:25,519 --> 00:07:28,199 all Long Island, you're a big time player. Anyway, he went on 86 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:33,959 from Providence. He he coached at Kentucky and Louisville, the Celtics and the 87 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:40,079 Knicks. Yeah, and he's won two national championships. So the one is 88 00:07:40,439 --> 00:07:45,199 I think the one in Louisville is he beat they beat Syracuse in the national 89 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:49,439 championship. That's right. That was the year of what's his name from Greece, 90 00:07:50,959 --> 00:07:55,399 John Wallace's year. That was John Wallace's year. He lost the national 91 00:07:55,519 --> 00:07:59,600 championship to Kentucky. That's right. Yeah, how about that. That's amazing. 92 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:03,399 And he you know, he's been a lot of different places, and 93 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:11,319 his calling card is developing players, finding the talent and individual player and taking 94 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,439 that talent and developing whatever it is. Ability to drive, ability to shoot, 95 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:20,199 defensively, whatever. Yeah, So go back to I didn't realize you 96 00:08:20,279 --> 00:08:24,600 came here your junior year. That's a tough time to transition in as a 97 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,319 kid. Yeah, it was very difficult. I didn't want to come here. 98 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:31,560 I had a girlfriend, I was doing things, obviously. I was 99 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:39,320 playing football and basketball and baseball at Saint Dominic's, and I was settled in. 100 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:43,000 My brother had gone there, he had graduated. My father got a 101 00:08:43,039 --> 00:08:46,200 job at Xerox. What was your dad doing in Long Island. He was 102 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:50,440 working as a consultant. He had his own business, okay, and then 103 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:58,519 he thought the opportunity with Xerox as he was consulting traffic manager transportation of products, 104 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,679 and so he decided that this would be a better move. Yeah, 105 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,759 And so you kind of get swept up in that, right, And I 106 00:09:05,799 --> 00:09:09,360 didn't want to come here. Obviously. It was culture shock when I came 107 00:09:09,399 --> 00:09:16,840 to Fairport. It was a one. It was one from Long Island to 108 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,600 Fairport with one stoplight. Right, That's what I wanted to say. And 109 00:09:20,639 --> 00:09:24,440 there was nothing here. And my father loved it because he was tired of 110 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:30,879 driving from Farmingdale to New York City and that was what an hour and a 111 00:09:30,919 --> 00:09:33,759 half. It was like a ninety minute ride in traffic, two hours right 112 00:09:33,799 --> 00:09:37,480 in the winter. It just was terrible. Yeah, So he got very 113 00:09:37,519 --> 00:09:43,720 tired and very worn out, and he decided he wanted to make a move. 114 00:09:43,919 --> 00:09:46,440 Yeah, And so you came here and then you go to Bishop Carney, 115 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,279 right, And but a lot of things you talked about a lot of 116 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,240 things that went on there. Are you comfortable saying some of that now or 117 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:58,759 because I'll tell you why, because with all the information that has come out, 118 00:09:58,919 --> 00:10:07,440 Yes, especially since they passed the Abuse the Victims Abuse Law under Kuoma 119 00:10:07,639 --> 00:10:11,320 during Cuomo's administration, allowing it to be retroactive. Go back, you can 120 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:18,159 go back whenever it happened and bring a case now against the diocese or against 121 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:24,279 the grammar school, or against any Catholic entity. So my school was very 122 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:31,120 much involved, as was all the Catholic high schools, all the Catholic grammar 123 00:10:31,159 --> 00:10:39,200 schools, all the nuns, the brothers, and the priests. Yeah, 124 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,960 so, and a lot of it, a lot of them moving around the 125 00:10:43,039 --> 00:10:46,320 abuse. But you know what, you know, it's not highlighted a lot 126 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:50,200 in the abuse that we talked about, these sexual abuse, but what about 127 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,720 the physical stuff? Was there? Like hitting? And you know, I 128 00:10:52,759 --> 00:11:00,600 came from Saint Dominic's, which was totally different. It was very well discipline. 129 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:09,440 It was a smaller, much smaller school of only three hundred and Bishop 130 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:15,600 Carney was thirteen or twelve hundred, and we had a very big graduating class 131 00:11:15,639 --> 00:11:20,279 when I graduated, and the guys I met had gone to school together at 132 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:26,759 St. Monica. They started in the neighborhoods around Bishop Carney on King's Highway, 133 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:30,720 Tigers Avenue, that area, and they knew each other very well. 134 00:11:30,919 --> 00:11:35,360 And I came in didn't know anybody. I lived in Fairport, which made 135 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:37,240 it even more Yeah, that's so long, you're on the other side of 136 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:41,120 the city. Yeah. It was funny because my father we'd get up at 137 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,639 five o'clock, six o'clock in the morning. They didn't have a transportation they 138 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:50,879 have now, so he had to drive me to Penfield High School, dropped 139 00:11:50,879 --> 00:11:56,279 me off. A bus came and picked up four of us and then took 140 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,840 us to Mercy and then Mercy to Bishop Karne. Yeah. Well, Mercy, 141 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:05,679 you got to see some of the ladies. Then we got the highlight 142 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:11,559 of the day. Right, it was early morning stimulation. But it was 143 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,639 tough getting up that early and taking that long ride and then coming back after 144 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:22,879 you practice. You didn't have transportation. My father and my mother or my 145 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,080 mother had to come all the way to from Fairport and pick me up. 146 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:30,320 You are talking about a twenty minute ride pretty much there, you know, 147 00:12:30,519 --> 00:12:33,840 I mean from Fairport because Fairport's a little bit away from even the I don't 148 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,639 know, the nineties, right, the four ninety and stuff. It's interesting 149 00:12:37,639 --> 00:12:43,080 because I come from a predominantly Irish Catholic family. Education a big deal. 150 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:48,120 I went to a really small public school and took the test to get into 151 00:12:48,159 --> 00:12:52,879 our Lady of Lords and which was down in Poughkeepsie, and I wanted to 152 00:12:54,039 --> 00:12:56,559 go there. I was going to I got in and it came down to 153 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,200 playing sports and my parents having to drive all the way back, but it 154 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,960 was like it was almost like a forty five minute ride in. So they're 155 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,879 like, yeah, I don't think so right, and I can't blame them. 156 00:13:09,919 --> 00:13:11,480 I mean I look at that, I go, I can't blame you 157 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,240 because it was a right it was. It might have been an hour practically. 158 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,840 You got to remember back then the city was populated, Zax and Kodak 159 00:13:20,879 --> 00:13:22,799 were at its height. Yeah, I mean there were three ships, there 160 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,679 was traffic, There was the can of worm. Yes, there was for 161 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,000 people to remember was a nightmare. Yes, and my father had to go 162 00:13:30,039 --> 00:13:33,960 through it every morning and every time we came back and the traffic was rough 163 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:37,840 at five o'clock, which was basically the time practice was over five. Did 164 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:41,440 you Did you appreciate that? Then? I'm hearing you you didn't, but 165 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:43,440 you look back now and you appreciate it. I remember sending my kid to 166 00:13:43,519 --> 00:13:48,639 McQuaid and when we were going through the entrancing the uh taking the tour, 167 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,919 and I think he ate it was where they were basically saying you're accepted. 168 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:58,399 One of the people saying them, do you know how much your parents love 169 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:03,279 you to give you this opportunity, and I think all too often his kids 170 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:05,360 were kind of like, yeah, they're doing is chewing my ear, you 171 00:14:05,399 --> 00:14:09,480 know, give him pain in my ass, this sort of thing. But 172 00:14:09,519 --> 00:14:11,519 when you look back, now, that's a lot on your old man. 173 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:16,519 However, maybe he missed a little bit of the time in the car wasn't 174 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,720 as long as in Long Island, but it gave him. You know, 175 00:14:18,039 --> 00:14:22,320 that's a nice time to decompress before you enter the house. I don't know 176 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,720 how many kids were in the family. We had. Four of my brothers 177 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:30,759 stayed down and went to to CW Post, so it was three for us, 178 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,799 and my sisters went to Fairport. I lived right and back of Fairport 179 00:14:33,879 --> 00:14:37,759 High School. Everyone thought I would go to Fairport High School. But here 180 00:14:37,799 --> 00:14:43,919 comes the the fork in the road. Because my mother and father were so 181 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:50,519 religious, especially my father was the decision maker. Yeah, he decided you're 182 00:14:50,559 --> 00:14:54,320 not going to Fairport, even though they were very good in football and that 183 00:14:54,519 --> 00:15:00,360 was our priority as far as me playing, and I could have walked there, 184 00:15:01,039 --> 00:15:07,879 he took it. He came up scanned esque fellow employees at Xerox, 185 00:15:07,919 --> 00:15:15,320 what's the Catholic education in this area? And found out about Carney and Mooney 186 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:20,200 and McQuaid and Aquinas and chose the car. But I mean, that's a 187 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:24,240 lot because it could have been just as easy to go all right, Paul 188 00:15:24,399 --> 00:15:26,600 just walked to school seeing themorrow you'll see you later, and he did just 189 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:30,559 that, So that that's that's a lot. And he wanted you to have 190 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:35,600 the best opportunity. You played football there. But what what else happened in 191 00:15:35,639 --> 00:15:41,039 the school, because were any of these were any cases brought against Bishop Carney 192 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:46,960 right now? They're involved in the Diocese of Ryes four hundred and seventy two, 193 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:54,080 I believe plaintiffs in the case. It hasn't been settled yet, and 194 00:15:54,600 --> 00:16:00,919 it's been going on. I read a lot about it, because you know, 195 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,960 it's been in the papers a lot. It's been on the internet a 196 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,840 lot. There's a lot of articles about it. They even have a database 197 00:16:07,879 --> 00:16:14,559 of all the priests and all the brothers and the sisters who abused. They 198 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:18,399 yeah, you can look it up. Are there sisters who abused as well? 199 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:22,120 Sexually abused? Really? How come that's never really mentioned at all? 200 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:27,320 I'm going to move your mic real quick, okay, But I don't think 201 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:33,120 that that's never really talked about. No, because obviously the numbers don't match 202 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:40,759 up. I guess men, brothers and priests are much more. Well, 203 00:16:40,759 --> 00:16:45,200 that's the sexier story. Forgive the term, but that is the thing that 204 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,000 we say, Well, look at you were hiding pedophiles. You were doing 205 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:55,759 this sort of thing where I don't know if the sisters were young women themselves 206 00:16:55,799 --> 00:17:02,440 who decided to try this life of being ann and then sees an eighteen year 207 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:07,720 old. Here comes a strapping Paul who's running off the football field. And 208 00:17:07,799 --> 00:17:10,680 I have no idea. I mean, would that be more accurate or were 209 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:15,440 they actually bothering eight year old boys as well? No, from what I 210 00:17:15,559 --> 00:17:19,559 know, and I don't. Again, I've read a lot, and I've 211 00:17:19,599 --> 00:17:23,079 talked to some. I still have my friends at Bishop Karney who were there, 212 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:30,200 who went to the grammar schools, who moved through the Catholic system in 213 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:33,720 around the Quoit, and a lot of them. You got to remember, 214 00:17:33,759 --> 00:17:36,640 you could go you could live in around the Quoite and go to Aquinas. 215 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:37,920 You could live in around a quit and go to McQuaid. You can live 216 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:45,359 in a you can. So it was and Mooney was a big high school 217 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,359 Aquinas not as big, and mccuaid is was a fairly big high school at 218 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,240 the time. And at that time, the Catholic schools, in sports and 219 00:17:53,319 --> 00:17:59,400 football particularly were the dominant schools in this area. If you wanted to play 220 00:18:00,599 --> 00:18:06,480 notch football, you went to Aquinas because Aquitas built that stadium, Hollanders Stadium. 221 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:11,839 Their tradition goes back to the forties. They had nationally ranked teams and 222 00:18:11,880 --> 00:18:17,240 they played they couldn't So why didn't your father send you there? That was 223 00:18:17,279 --> 00:18:19,759 the choice he made. It was I think it came down to Aquinas or 224 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:26,240 Bishop Carneia. So because all these things that are brought against the Catholic Church, 225 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:32,200 it is interesting and it's interesting to see. Now, are do you 226 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:37,640 still practice? Do you have Are you bitter against the Catholic Church at all? 227 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,920 I don't know. I don't you know. I'm a Catholic. I 228 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,880 was brought up Catholic. I sang. I went to school in farmingdal they 229 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:51,640 had I went to Saint Killian's Grammar School, which had, believe it or 230 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:55,920 not, one of the best boy choirs, not only in the United States, 231 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:00,799 in the world, and I sang with them for four years, traveled 232 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:06,359 into the city. We sang under Leonard Bernstein. Wow, the Philharmonic, 233 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:14,039 New York Philharmonic. The I forget the name of the it's not Radio City 234 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,720 Music Hall, it's the other one. But anyway, uh. We sang 235 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:23,559 under the under the direction of Leonard Bernstein, and we made records. You 236 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:30,480 can get all this information on the internet. We also traveled outside and gave 237 00:19:30,599 --> 00:19:37,079 concerts. We were We sang for Channel A couple of television stations in New 238 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:41,759 York, and the Channel five and Channel eleven we appeared. We were on 239 00:19:41,799 --> 00:19:47,079 television there, Picks and Fox. I don't know if it was Fox then, 240 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:48,759 but it was Fox when I was a kid. Was Channel five out 241 00:19:48,759 --> 00:19:52,400 of New York, and then Picks was eleven. But no bitterness against the 242 00:19:52,759 --> 00:19:56,279 Catholic Church. I mean, did you experience any of this kind of stuff? 243 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:04,519 No, I did, the the the verbal and the physical abuse. 244 00:20:04,839 --> 00:20:10,599 I did, yes, And it seemed like everybody had an experience. I 245 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:14,240 again, I only spent two years here. Those guys were telling me stay 246 00:20:14,279 --> 00:20:18,720 away from brother whatever, stay away from him, or he's at he's a 247 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:26,279 little strange. And then the kicker is I graduated, and three of the 248 00:20:26,319 --> 00:20:33,480 brothers, including the principal, brother Tracy, and he's passed away. They 249 00:20:33,599 --> 00:20:41,359 married girls in my class. Ah really yeah, wow, So they left 250 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,960 the being. They left the brotherhood after getting married, had families. Brother 251 00:20:45,039 --> 00:20:49,920 Tracy went to Geneva Dessalles High School and was the principal and then he passed 252 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,200 away about seven or eight years ago. The other two I don't know where 253 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:57,400 they went, but I know they were married and they had relationships with girls 254 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:03,519 in my class. It was well known and then was well known and not 255 00:21:03,559 --> 00:21:10,400 stopped. Well, that's the hypocrisy and the said reality of the Catholic Church. 256 00:21:10,839 --> 00:21:18,160 They instead of coming forward or confronting the brothers and the priests, the 257 00:21:18,279 --> 00:21:26,119 nuns, all they did was protect them and they transferred them out. And 258 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,759 that was the big move. Getting transferred that way. They they had a 259 00:21:30,799 --> 00:21:34,160 problem Bishop Carney. They transferred them to New York City, they transferred them 260 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,079 to Boston, they transferred them to Ohio. They transfer wherever they had schools. 261 00:21:38,279 --> 00:21:44,279 Yeah, why do what would happen if you said anything to your family 262 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,559 about that? Did they buy into this too? Or now you have to 263 00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:52,680 go back to you have to be old enough or go back to the mindset 264 00:21:52,720 --> 00:22:00,839 of the sixties seventies and the religious atmosphere. My parents, and not just 265 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:07,720 my parents, anyone brought up Catholic believed that priests and brothers could do no 266 00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:15,279 wrong, could do no wrong, and were above reproach and absolutely, if 267 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:22,720 you had gone to them and said I was abused physically, I was abused 268 00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:29,599 verbally or the worst, sexually, they would have told you, or painted 269 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:33,359 it or slanted it that it was your problem. You must have done something, 270 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,799 You must have said something, You must have provoked them, you must 271 00:22:37,079 --> 00:22:44,240 It couldn't have been his fault or her fault. I wonder how many people 272 00:22:44,519 --> 00:22:49,160 when you say it like that, Having experienced myself with sexual abuse as a 273 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:56,680 child, it's odd when the like when you try to talk to your parents 274 00:22:56,759 --> 00:23:03,000 or confront your parents on that and they don't necessarily react. Now I didn't 275 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,000 say anything at the time. I did much later. My parents have certainly 276 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:11,000 talked about it. But with the priest, I wonder how many people are 277 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:15,519 just so mad at their parents that they did nothing. Absolutely, And I 278 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:22,359 was around enough those two years to see physical abuse and verbal abuse, and 279 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,599 then walked to my friend's house and are on the quoit and him trying to 280 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:33,359 tell his mother or father whoever was home, that you know, I got 281 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:40,119 grabbed. He pulled my hair, he ripped my shirt, he pushed me, 282 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:45,680 he verbally called me a name. And I saw firsthand a parent's response, 283 00:23:45,759 --> 00:23:52,799 which was, oh, Steve, oh Bob, oh Dave. You 284 00:23:52,880 --> 00:24:00,839 know, I'm not gonna pursue this because I you know, you probably did 285 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:08,519 something that got them angry. That's that's gonna be rough. It is for 286 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:15,039 those kids and to see them, to see them now and I see them. 287 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,200 We uh, we have a reunion, breakfast, we go. We 288 00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:23,440 have a lot of kids from the a lot of men and women now obviously 289 00:24:25,519 --> 00:24:30,680 from my class, who get together and they now are bringing out the stories. 290 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:37,079 Although it's really fascinating to see the different types of personalities. A lot 291 00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:41,519 of people deny it. They refuse to bring it up. They don't want 292 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:45,480 to hear it, and that that's in the past. That's in the past, 293 00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:48,960 let's leave it. Whereas others say, why can't we discuss it. 294 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,400 We were all we all saw it, and we were all part of it, 295 00:24:52,720 --> 00:25:00,279 and it affects you for your entire life. It's not something that an 296 00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:04,000 experience that you It happens and you forget about. Have you ever talked to 297 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:10,079 your parents about it later in life? Yeah, I told them what I 298 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:15,440 It's funny. Many years later after I graduated from Bishop Carney, I told 299 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:21,599 my father and what was going on. And the perspective had changed because then 300 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,759 we knew, you're talking about the eighties and the nineties that abuse does happen. 301 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:33,680 Abuse happens in the the boardroom, the classroom. It happens in any 302 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:40,200 position of power or any position of influence, whether it be man or women. 303 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:45,400 When they have when it's the strata is set up so that they're they're 304 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,680 in, they're in that type of relationship, right right, That's wow, 305 00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:55,720 that's something. Well. Then from there you went on to play quarterback for 306 00:25:55,799 --> 00:26:00,079 Wyoming, which I don't think many people were familiar with until Josh Allen. 307 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:03,720 It came out of Wyoming, but you played their Division one at the time. 308 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:11,079 Yeah, it was. Wyoming was as a really funny history in the 309 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:18,920 sixties. In the mid sixties to around nineteen seventy, they were a top 310 00:26:18,599 --> 00:26:26,440 program in Division one. They produced Vic Washington starred for the forty nine ers. 311 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:33,880 Gene Huey, who played and was a defensive back and became the running 312 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,599 backs coach for the Indianapolis Coats and was there with Peyton Manning for a long 313 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:49,720 time and retired Conrad Dobler, who was an All Pro tackle for the Cardinals. 314 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:56,599 A lot ye Jim Kick played on the Super Bowl Miami team was from 315 00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:03,920 Wyoming, so they were I think they were ranked every year between sixty five 316 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,279 or sixty four and sixty nine. Yeah, now what year did you go 317 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,720 seventy two and how many games did you were you a starter at some point 318 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,519 in your career. No, what happened was back then you couldn't play as 319 00:27:18,519 --> 00:27:22,920 a freshman varsity, so I started as a freshman. We played a semi 320 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:29,880 schedule back then, which I call the Colorado teams Air Force Colorado University, 321 00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,279 Colorado, Beautiful Boulder, the most beautiful campus it is there in the Calorall 322 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:41,039 state. And then we played I think we played in New Mexico and it 323 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,759 was a small I think we played five or six games. That's it. 324 00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:48,960 My sophomore year, I was red shirted. My junior year, I was 325 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,200 competing for the starting job and I was hurt, but I played a little 326 00:27:53,400 --> 00:28:03,599 and that was it for They fired Fritz Shermer. Frich Shermer went on to 327 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:08,160 become I think he's either in the Hall of Fame or he's being nominated for 328 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,400 the Hall of Fame. As a defensive coordinator, he was the defensive coordinator 329 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:18,960 of the Green Bay Packers when they won the Super Bowl under Farbe. And 330 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:23,559 he was a great defensive coach in college and recognized as one of the best 331 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:30,039 during that time period when he was an assistant at Wyoming before he became the 332 00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:36,319 head coach. But he only lasted seventy two, seventy three, seventy four, 333 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:41,039 three years, oh, seventy one, seventy two, seventy three, 334 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:45,680 and so all that. You don't go to play in the NFL after that. 335 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:52,039 But was there any at any point were you interested in coaching? Were 336 00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:55,680 you was there a possibility of going into that caase you certainly have a love 337 00:28:55,759 --> 00:28:57,920 for the game. Yeah, I was the problem I had. I was 338 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,920 at the the wrong time, at the wrong type of player, at the 339 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,359 wrong time. I was the dropback quarterback. The wishbone was introduced in the 340 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:12,079 late sixties. Arkansas played Texas for the National championship in sixty nine. Richard 341 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:18,599 Nixon at the time deemed that game the national championship game, which it should 342 00:29:18,599 --> 00:29:22,160 have been. Those were the two top teams, but it was wishbone, 343 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,839 wishbone, wishbone. When I got to Wyoming, everything was wishbone. Eighty 344 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:33,200 percent of all the Division One teams played the wishbumbe. We actually scrimmage teams 345 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,519 before you started. It was the whack back then, Arizona, Arizona State, 346 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:51,400 Wyoming, New Mexico BYU, so even only BYU under Lavelle Edwards refused 347 00:29:51,400 --> 00:30:02,079 to use the wishbone and developed five straight NFL quarterbacks. Go Jim McMahon, 348 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,160 Neil Gifford, Nilsen, Yeah, and I can't remember the other two, 349 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:11,559 but he didn't use the wishbone. We used the wishbone. If you couldn't 350 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:15,960 run, and you weren't an excellent runner, you were relegated to throwing the 351 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:21,559 ball. In some games. We threw the ball eight times. That's it, 352 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,880 yeah, ten times, eleven times, twelve times, and that was 353 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,960 considered a lot. In the We used to watch the Oklahoma Nebraska games and 354 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:37,119 Jack Mildron threw the ball eight times in the in the big game, which 355 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:42,000 was always Nebraska Oklahoma, and that was considered a lot back then. Even 356 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:47,000 if you weren't a Wishbone team. If you threw the ball twenty times, 357 00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:51,920 Wow, that was a lot twenty four times. Today they throw the ball 358 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:57,240 forty times. It's nothing, so totally different game played totally You know, 359 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:03,160 you've got five out now or four out, the field is spread, you've 360 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,519 got receivers dominating the game with the quarterback back. Then we ran the ball, 361 00:31:07,319 --> 00:31:11,480 and we ran the ball three fourths of the time. So how much 362 00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:18,799 residual injuries do you have today? You know, huh, I've got if 363 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,319 you're running that much, Yeah, you're getting hit. Yeah, you're getting 364 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,480 hit a lot. And running quarterbacks, which I wasn't a very good one. 365 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,039 You've got to be obviously, you've got you have to be elusive, 366 00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:34,519 and you've got to be fast, which I wasn't. To run and wish 367 00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:40,759 one effectively. Once you'd ride the fake on the full back and you decide 368 00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:42,880 to pitch, you have the end. He comes at you, where he 369 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,920 stays, you pitch the ball, you keep the ball. You have to 370 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:52,279 be able to accelerate through that hole and run. And that wasn't me. 371 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,359 Jim Plunkett was playing at the time. I mean when the Heisman Trophy in 372 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,240 seventy. That's the guy. I'm looking at him at Stanford while I was 373 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:06,160 at Wyoming. I didn't get there yet. I think he graduated when I 374 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,359 got there, but he was the guy. There were still schools, especially 375 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:15,000 on the West coast, that were passing able and some on the East coast 376 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:21,160 in Florida. Yeah, well, and from there, what do you do 377 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:27,599 after you leave Wyoming? I go to that was it was chaos because all 378 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,319 of us and this goes to show you how things work out on my freshman 379 00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:37,000 team. On my freshman team, we had Lawrence Gaines, the number one 380 00:32:37,079 --> 00:32:44,000 draft choice of the Detroit Lions. In nineteen seventy six, we had Aaron 381 00:32:44,119 --> 00:32:49,960 Kyle, the number one draft choice of the Dallas Cowboys. Aaron Kyle played 382 00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:54,000 ten or eleven years, won two Super Bowls with Dallas, and Lawrence Gaines 383 00:32:54,240 --> 00:33:01,759 was probably for me, the best all around athlete I ever played with. 384 00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:09,559 He went to Detroit and in the first game he started his first year, 385 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:15,119 he wrecked his knee and he I think he lasted one year after that. 386 00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:19,599 So, but what about you? What happens to you? These guys were 387 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,960 obviously went on, Okay, do you come back here? Yeah? That 388 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:29,240 was my father's choice. He talked to me into not transfer. I was 389 00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:31,599 gonna stay. That would have been a mistake. Anyway. They brought him 390 00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:38,640 Freddie Acres, who was an assistant under Darryl Royal at Texas, and Texas 391 00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:44,960 was a huge wishbone team, so they were one of the inventors of the 392 00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:51,000 veer. He came into Wyoming and took Lawrence Gains and Andy Dixon, who 393 00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:55,519 was a really good running back and used that offense. And I would have 394 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,680 still been in a wishbone offense. So were you you were looking to transfer? 395 00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:05,319 Yeah, And then again, this is seventy four. It was hard 396 00:34:05,359 --> 00:34:07,440 to find a team that threw the ball. Yeah, so you decided to 397 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,679 come back here and go to U of r No. I went to r 398 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:15,719 t L right to RT because Tom Coughlin, who was Super Bowl Yes with 399 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:22,679 the Giants, started the program there in seventy as a club football team. 400 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:29,639 Then he left and went to Syracuse. He was the assistant there. Then 401 00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:34,599 he went to Boston College and eventually the Giants and Louis Biatti became the head 402 00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:42,599 coach. My father met new Louis Biati, and that was the impetus for 403 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,679 me. So you did the transfer portal, but you were out of your 404 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:51,199 time. Look at that too, dead you can get the nil deals. 405 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:58,039 Yeah. That was the funny thing is that back then if you transferred down 406 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,320 you could you didn't have to sit out of So I transferred from a Division 407 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:07,000 one school Division three school, so I didn't have to sit out if it 408 00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:13,119 was one to one. Well, it's interesting. And then after our I 409 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:19,719 t what happens to mister NFL. Then I played semi pro football here when 410 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,760 they had the stadium, Hollander Stadium. I played for the Monro Mustangs. 411 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:31,360 I played for the Twin City Geminis in Buffalo, and we traveled a very 412 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:37,199 good league. It was called the Atlantic Semi Pro Football League. To get 413 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,639 paid for this, I don't know what semi pro means. We got we 414 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:44,920 got a few dollars. It wasn't really It depended on the team and who 415 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:50,719 the owner was and where it was located and the whole financial from team to 416 00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:54,519 team, it was all different. But we played at Hollander and I played 417 00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:59,519 in Hollander at Bishop. I always thought that was a big deal to play 418 00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:06,039 at Holland because it was a beautiful stadium and not too many high schools or 419 00:36:06,119 --> 00:36:09,920 any semi pro teams could play there. Yeah, so you go do that, 420 00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:15,079 and then one need to decide. I'm just I'm done, I'm done 421 00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:20,599 playing. By thirty I decided that it was over. I had gotten injured 422 00:36:20,639 --> 00:36:27,840 again. The league crumbled, the team went under under the coach who was 423 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:36,559 Bill Breon. He owned a printing business here, and we folded, and 424 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,840 then I knew that I decided, Well, I did go on to coach. 425 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,519 I coached at Eastridge in seventy nine eighty eighty one. We went to 426 00:36:45,639 --> 00:36:52,719 the sectionals had started in seventy seven, and we went to the Sectional championship 427 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,719 in seventy nine, and we had a very good team and we lost fifteen 428 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,800 to fourteen at Hollander to a quitnas. Wow. So and then after that, 429 00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,800 I mean, was there a much coaching? I know you wrote a 430 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:13,360 book about Yeah. I've always uh my brother and I and my brother played 431 00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:19,199 quarterback, his son played quarterback. It seems like in our family there's a 432 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:25,480 number of yeah guys boys who played quarterback. So it's always been a big 433 00:37:25,519 --> 00:37:31,400 deal for us. And I coached there. My brother coached Pop Warner. 434 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:37,199 I helped him out at Bloomfield Pop Warner when he moved to from Buffalo to 435 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:44,559 Canan Dagua. Canan Dagua had a program, but he took his two sons 436 00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:50,679 and played in Bloomfield and coached there and uh and then so now here we 437 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,880 are and no no family for you. No, I never got married. 438 00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:05,559 Sounds like there's a story there. I was close twice, but yeah, 439 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:10,079 for you know, for reasons unknown, it didn't mark out. So I 440 00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:15,199 did not get married. And you know, I only I have a regret 441 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:16,960 that I don't have a son that I could have coached. Yeah, I 442 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:21,480 can understand that. I can completely understand that. With your love of the 443 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,719 game and your knowledge of the game and stuff, and then you you've become 444 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:30,039 a sports fixture. So sometimes these sports shows people get a little prickly, 445 00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:34,519 like the host and stuff. Have you been banned from any sports shows? 446 00:38:34,559 --> 00:38:37,360 So you told you're not allowed to call anymore? Or I remember Gweez used 447 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,320 to get mad at you. Right, We's got mad at me many times. 448 00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:45,719 But you know, I started listening to Weez when he was overnight jock 449 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:52,159 jockey eighty five. Yeah, so I just was listening to him, and 450 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:58,000 then he became a fixture on a radio, and I would call in. 451 00:38:58,679 --> 00:39:05,199 And then he did more sports, and he got people like John Detulio and 452 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,280 they were you know, he would do sports and the bills and you would 453 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,800 call in. Sometimes you get a long time on. Yeah, it all 454 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,400 depends on the topic and whether he thinks you're actually know what you're talking about. 455 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,480 Yeah, you did me, he did, and he called his sports 456 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,519 show, and you called Matthews and he called all the other short shows too. 457 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:29,360 You should add why didn't you try to get your own? That's a 458 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,559 good question, welcome. He didn't do that because I hated the button, 459 00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:37,920 you know, and me and Bob Matthews many times had debates on different aspects 460 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:42,119 of what do you mean he hated the button? What's the button? Well, 461 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:47,480 he would flush me if if I said something that he felt was wrong 462 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,880 or he didn't believe me. I think you liked the challenge of trying to 463 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,199 stay on as long as he could. I don't think he gave a shit 464 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:58,480 about anything else. You didn't want to deal with all the other stuff, 465 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,079 you know, the this side of radio, so to speak, where you've 466 00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:05,440 got to answer to people and you know, commercials and that sort of thing. 467 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,960 Yeah, that's interesting. And then and what did you do for a 468 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,719 living? Rit? I mean he went to that's a I want to say, 469 00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,480 a prestigious it is school, It really is. Yeah, it's developed 470 00:40:17,519 --> 00:40:21,360 over the years since I've been there. It was like a what did you 471 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,000 major in there? A criminal justice and business? Okay, so criminal justice 472 00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:29,679 is still really big. That's funny. My son is graduating and he is 473 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,360 what I call criminal justice on steroids, but it's cybersecurity and Rit is one 474 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:37,559 of the best at that. And then he's looking to go to grad school 475 00:40:37,679 --> 00:40:43,119 and eventually law school. Good luck to him, and I think he took 476 00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:49,599 the right path because mister Galasano again poured money into the computer program and it's 477 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:57,320 named name the Tom Yes, and the reason they jumped ahead was the money 478 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:02,119 was right at the right time. And their gaming programs, it's really impressive. 479 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:07,960 They their software production on gaming. Yeah, Paul, that is impressive. 480 00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:10,280 That's impressive. And they have that do you ever go back to like 481 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:15,199 imagine RI I T. It's something that they do with these that's a really 482 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:19,400 cool thing that they do over there. And brilliant young minds. Absolutely R 483 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,239 I T M I T. And what's the one in California. Uh, 484 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:28,039 oh, California Tech Institute. Is that what it is? The California Technically 485 00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:30,559 I C I T. I'm not sure what it is. So those three 486 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:36,920 have always uh you know, I think Rit's mission was to become M I 487 00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:39,760 T. Yeah, and they have really. Yeah, that's it. That's 488 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:44,599 impressive. Well, what an interesting conversation with you. I always found you 489 00:41:44,679 --> 00:41:49,719 interesting. Uh you know, sometimes we had to rush you along because you 490 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,639 know, you taught, but I think you you didn't care. You never 491 00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:55,480 even seem to get upset they would say stupid shit or mean ship. You 492 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,960 didn't even care. You kind of got the whole idea that it was entertainment 493 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:04,280 absolutely. I mean, did you ever call f A ann or anything as 494 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,519 a kid? I don't know if f A n was around, but wasn't 495 00:42:07,559 --> 00:42:10,880 around, Okay, it didn't. It didn't become popular until FRANCESSA and the 496 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,199 Dog. Yeah mad Dog. Yeah, they're both. I don't know where 497 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,840 Frances It may still be on the radio, but I think Mad Dog's on 498 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,760 satellite. Late eighties. I was already in my thirties. Yeah, but 499 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,000 no, I was already here too. I lived in Albany and I moved 500 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,840 to I lived in Albany, and I lived in Florida for a while for 501 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,239 a while, and then he came back here. Yeah, well it has 502 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,519 been a I really enjoyed this. I did. Thank you. It's funny. 503 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,920 What was the name of the book you wrote, Oh, The Art 504 00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:50,679 of the Quarterback? The overhand Release. Okay, that was it and still 505 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,039 available, like if you went onto Amazon, it's not and I kind of 506 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,400 you could put it into your own reprint. Yeah, I'm thinking of that 507 00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:05,519 right now looking at it. And obviously it's been more than fifteen years. 508 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,679 Yeah, and it needs to be updated, right, and it needs to 509 00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:12,320 be revised. Yeah, but if you tweaked it a little bit, I 510 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,760 wonder if it would actually move right. Yeah, I'd love to see you 511 00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:20,320 sell a couple of cops just to have something that you did that you did, 512 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,320 right, I mean you poured a lot into that. That's a big 513 00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,199 piece of you. Well, let it benefit, let other people see it. 514 00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:30,119 Yeah, you know what that is. It's a lifelong conversation my brother 515 00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:34,960 and I had That started when my father decided to come outside when I was 516 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:40,000 six and say here, this is the way you throw a football to my 517 00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:44,079 brother and to me, and say practice and throw the ball back if you 518 00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:45,519 like it, if you want to do it. And then my brother and 519 00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:51,400 I started talking about, you know, throwing the football watching other players, 520 00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:59,960 Steve Spurriy or Joe Namath, Haydel, Lenny Dawson, Kenny Stabler. Yeah. 521 00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:04,840 Wow, well I have I knew there was some depth there with mister 522 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,239 NFL, some some real depth there over the over the years when he would 523 00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:13,400 call in. I'm thinking back to sometimes for having me on, because you 524 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:17,440 know again I I I've called into the show there, and I've called into 525 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:22,400 other shows, and uh, it's what I like doing. So yeah, 526 00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,719 it is like yeah, and I mean and outside of football, what what 527 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:29,559 would be your favorite sport? I would assume NFL is your number one? 528 00:44:29,639 --> 00:44:36,719 Yeah, college and professional football and college basketball. College basketball was really interesting, 529 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,039 NBA and the Yankees. I grew up a big Yankees, Yeah, 530 00:44:39,039 --> 00:44:43,280 I was. My grandfather was a New York City fireman. Used to take 531 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,960 me to games a lot as a kid. Yankee Stadium and uh, one 532 00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,320 time we had to sit in the bleachers. We're above the dugout. I 533 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,280 just I was eight and I knew Ron Gidgery was down there warming up and 534 00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:54,960 I just kept screaming his name, screaming his name until he finally looked up 535 00:44:54,960 --> 00:45:00,760 and goes what And I had nothing to say. I had nothing to say, 536 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:02,320 right, But you're trying to concentrate, you know, and you're just 537 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:07,519 a kid. I'm a kid not realizing this is his job. This is 538 00:45:07,559 --> 00:45:09,800 he's trying to you know. It would be like when you're when you're that 539 00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:15,119 age, you think they have you know, their job is to I just 540 00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:17,920 wanted to say hi, he was the coolest guy around. Look at me, 541 00:45:19,079 --> 00:45:22,639 Yes, acknowledge me. Yes. And it reminds me of what I 542 00:45:22,679 --> 00:45:25,679 was seven years old. My father took me to a Yankee game and Mickey 543 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:31,000 Mannle and Roger Morris and I walked in and I was in awe when I 544 00:45:31,079 --> 00:45:36,920 finally came through the tunnel out to the field and took a look at Yankee 545 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,320 Stadium. You know, Yeah, it was the old Yankee Stadium, the 546 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,719 original. Yes, the original. I remember that too, the first time 547 00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,320 I saw that. Yes, I can see it just now in my head. 548 00:45:46,599 --> 00:45:50,559 Well, thank you for your time, and uh, mister NFL, 549 00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:53,880 be looking for that book. The Art of the Quarterback should be available wherever 550 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,760 you get books. How I'm gonna say within the year. It's a motivation. 551 00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:02,800 Got to get out there and do a Paul for Paul a damo or 552 00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:07,960 a Demo a Damo. 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