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That's how we spread the word about the pirate ship. Today, a
guy who I only knew my voice for many, many many years. I
didn't even know his real name. He's just known as mister NFL. He's
called every sports show that has ever existed in the greater Rochester area and probably
beyond, Paul Adamo. Am I saying that right? Yes, Adamo is
a great last name. That's like a It almost sounds like a Greek statue.
Yeah, it's mispronounced as a demo and a domo. So what's what
is the adapt what's what actually a demo? But a demo? Oh?
I said a domo? Well I said it wrong. See No, I
don't even Adamo sounds so much more statuesque. He sounds like the guy.
Yes, so, uh, mister NFL is a very interesting guy, because
you came in here the other day talking about your reunion with your high school
buddies, and the high school you went to no longer exists in Rochester.
Correct, No, it actually does exist. It's just a much much smaller
school. Was it Carnee, Bishop car Oh, it was Carne. My
apologies, Carney does exist, and they've done some interesting things over there with
Galasano working on the curriculum and things like that. Right, Galisano, mister
Gallisono actually saved the school by buying the property. And then he's also so
poured in a lot of money for things like getting each student a laptop.
Yeah, right, And I don't think they'd be would exist now if it
wasn't for him. Yeah, did you your time there, But you had
a lot to say when you came in the last time, regarding the brothers
and things and the things that were overlooked and looked over there. And I
don't know how comfortable you are mentioning that. But a lot of news over
the years what went on in the Catholic schools. I think even death cab
By QTI has a song and more about the nuns, you know, whacking
my knuckles and telling me that fear was the basis of love and this sort
of thing which seems to be a little counterintuitive to what the world really is
about. Well, I go back fifty four years to Bishop Carney nineteen seventy.
Yeah, Thanksville nineteen seventy. I come from Long Island, Farmingdale.
I went to two years of Saint Domini's in Oyster Bay, which is famous
for one thing. Rick Patino went there, played basketball and is now involved
in the Saint John's program. He's the head coach. Yeah, he was
a legendary coach. He had been the president and the coach of the Celtics
for a while. He had started I think he took Rhode Island to Final
Four at one point. He was on the Syracuse coaching staff under Boheim for
a brief period and then then legendary with Kentucky and Louisville in all these different
places. He actually got started at the He played at Massachusetts, had a
somewhat ambiguous career there, but then he wanted to get into coaching. He
went to Hawaii. He was a assistant there, I believe, but his
big break was and he went to Syracuse and became the lead recruiter and he
was That's what really made him brought him into the spotlight. He recruited I
believe the Bowie and the Louis and Bowie show, really yeah, both of
them. And he became a top recruiter for Beheim and spent years there until
he was ready to become a head coach. He went to Providence. At
the time he was at Providence, the three point shot came into fashion,
it was allowed, and it was created. And he took Billy Donovan,
who had, you know, overall minimal athletic ability. He was a good,
solid guard, but he was a really exceptional shooter, and he highlighted
and spotted him and put him on the cover of the program as Billy the
kid dressed a cowboy, that's right. And that was the beginning of Patino
what Patino is. And when I was at Saint Dominic's with him, I
was two years younger and he was a senior. I was a sophomore,
and I watched him play and he was all greater. He was all excuse
me, all league, Catholic League, and then he was all Long Island,
which was a big deal if you with the population there, if you're
all Long Island, you're a big time player. Anyway, he went on
from Providence. He he coached at Kentucky and Louisville, the Celtics and the
Knicks. Yeah, and he's won two national championships. So the one is
I think the one in Louisville is he beat they beat Syracuse in the national
championship. That's right. That was the year of what's his name from Greece,
John Wallace's year. That was John Wallace's year. He lost the national
championship to Kentucky. That's right. Yeah, how about that. That's amazing.
And he you know, he's been a lot of different places, and
his calling card is developing players, finding the talent and individual player and taking
that talent and developing whatever it is. Ability to drive, ability to shoot,
defensively, whatever. Yeah, So go back to I didn't realize you
came here your junior year. That's a tough time to transition in as a
kid. Yeah, it was very difficult. I didn't want to come here.
I had a girlfriend, I was doing things, obviously. I was
playing football and basketball and baseball at Saint Dominic's, and I was settled in.
My brother had gone there, he had graduated. My father got a
job at Xerox. What was your dad doing in Long Island. He was
working as a consultant. He had his own business, okay, and then
he thought the opportunity with Xerox as he was consulting traffic manager transportation of products,
and so he decided that this would be a better move. Yeah,
And so you kind of get swept up in that, right, And I
didn't want to come here. Obviously. It was culture shock when I came
to Fairport. It was a one. It was one from Long Island to
Fairport with one stoplight. Right, That's what I wanted to say. And
there was nothing here. And my father loved it because he was tired of
driving from Farmingdale to New York City and that was what an hour and a
half. It was like a ninety minute ride in traffic, two hours right
in the winter. It just was terrible. Yeah, So he got very
tired and very worn out, and he decided he wanted to make a move.
Yeah, And so you came here and then you go to Bishop Carney,
right, And but a lot of things you talked about a lot of
things that went on there. Are you comfortable saying some of that now or
because I'll tell you why, because with all the information that has come out,
Yes, especially since they passed the Abuse the Victims Abuse Law under Kuoma
during Cuomo's administration, allowing it to be retroactive. Go back, you can
go back whenever it happened and bring a case now against the diocese or against
the grammar school, or against any Catholic entity. So my school was very
much involved, as was all the Catholic high schools, all the Catholic grammar
schools, all the nuns, the brothers, and the priests. Yeah,
so, and a lot of it, a lot of them moving around the
abuse. But you know what, you know, it's not highlighted a lot
in the abuse that we talked about, these sexual abuse, but what about
the physical stuff? Was there? Like hitting? And you know, I
came from Saint Dominic's, which was totally different. It was very well discipline.
It was a smaller, much smaller school of only three hundred and Bishop
Carney was thirteen or twelve hundred, and we had a very big graduating class
when I graduated, and the guys I met had gone to school together at
St. Monica. They started in the neighborhoods around Bishop Carney on King's Highway,
Tigers Avenue, that area, and they knew each other very well.
And I came in didn't know anybody. I lived in Fairport, which made
it even more Yeah, that's so long, you're on the other side of
the city. Yeah. It was funny because my father we'd get up at
five o'clock, six o'clock in the morning. They didn't have a transportation they
have now, so he had to drive me to Penfield High School, dropped
me off. A bus came and picked up four of us and then took
us to Mercy and then Mercy to Bishop Karne. Yeah. Well, Mercy,
you got to see some of the ladies. Then we got the highlight
of the day. Right, it was early morning stimulation. But it was
tough getting up that early and taking that long ride and then coming back after
you practice. You didn't have transportation. My father and my mother or my
mother had to come all the way to from Fairport and pick me up.
You are talking about a twenty minute ride pretty much there, you know,
I mean from Fairport because Fairport's a little bit away from even the I don't
know, the nineties, right, the four ninety and stuff. It's interesting
because I come from a predominantly Irish Catholic family. Education a big deal.
I went to a really small public school and took the test to get into
our Lady of Lords and which was down in Poughkeepsie, and I wanted to
go there. I was going to I got in and it came down to
playing sports and my parents having to drive all the way back, but it
was like it was almost like a forty five minute ride in. So they're
like, yeah, I don't think so right, and I can't blame them.
I mean I look at that, I go, I can't blame you
because it was a right it was. It might have been an hour practically.
You got to remember back then the city was populated, Zax and Kodak
were at its height. Yeah, I mean there were three ships, there
was traffic, There was the can of worm. Yes, there was for
people to remember was a nightmare. Yes, and my father had to go
through it every morning and every time we came back and the traffic was rough
at five o'clock, which was basically the time practice was over five. Did
you Did you appreciate that? Then? I'm hearing you you didn't, but
you look back now and you appreciate it. I remember sending my kid to
McQuaid and when we were going through the entrancing the uh taking the tour,
and I think he ate it was where they were basically saying you're accepted.
One of the people saying them, do you know how much your parents love
you to give you this opportunity, and I think all too often his kids
were kind of like, yeah, they're doing is chewing my ear, you
know, give him pain in my ass, this sort of thing. But
when you look back, now, that's a lot on your old man.
However, maybe he missed a little bit of the time in the car wasn't
as long as in Long Island, but it gave him. You know,
that's a nice time to decompress before you enter the house. I don't know
how many kids were in the family. We had. Four of my brothers
stayed down and went to to CW Post, so it was three for us,
and my sisters went to Fairport. I lived right and back of Fairport
High School. Everyone thought I would go to Fairport High School. But here
comes the the fork in the road. Because my mother and father were so
religious, especially my father was the decision maker. Yeah, he decided you're
not going to Fairport, even though they were very good in football and that
was our priority as far as me playing, and I could have walked there,
he took it. He came up scanned esque fellow employees at Xerox,
what's the Catholic education in this area? And found out about Carney and Mooney
and McQuaid and Aquinas and chose the car. But I mean, that's a
lot because it could have been just as easy to go all right, Paul
just walked to school seeing themorrow you'll see you later, and he did just
that, So that that's that's a lot. And he wanted you to have
the best opportunity. You played football there. But what what else happened in
the school, because were any of these were any cases brought against Bishop Carney
right now? They're involved in the Diocese of Ryes four hundred and seventy two,
I believe plaintiffs in the case. It hasn't been settled yet, and
it's been going on. I read a lot about it, because you know,
it's been in the papers a lot. It's been on the internet a
lot. There's a lot of articles about it. They even have a database
of all the priests and all the brothers and the sisters who abused. They
yeah, you can look it up. Are there sisters who abused as well?
Sexually abused? Really? How come that's never really mentioned at all?
I'm going to move your mic real quick, okay, But I don't think
that that's never really talked about. No, because obviously the numbers don't match
up. I guess men, brothers and priests are much more. Well,
that's the sexier story. Forgive the term, but that is the thing that
we say, Well, look at you were hiding pedophiles. You were doing
this sort of thing where I don't know if the sisters were young women themselves
who decided to try this life of being ann and then sees an eighteen year
old. Here comes a strapping Paul who's running off the football field. And
I have no idea. I mean, would that be more accurate or were
they actually bothering eight year old boys as well? No, from what I
know, and I don't. Again, I've read a lot, and I've
talked to some. I still have my friends at Bishop Karney who were there,
who went to the grammar schools, who moved through the Catholic system in
around the Quoit, and a lot of them. You got to remember,
you could go you could live in around the Quoite and go to Aquinas.
You could live in around a quit and go to McQuaid. You can live
in a you can. So it was and Mooney was a big high school
Aquinas not as big, and mccuaid is was a fairly big high school at
the time. And at that time, the Catholic schools, in sports and
football particularly were the dominant schools in this area. If you wanted to play
notch football, you went to Aquinas because Aquitas built that stadium, Hollanders Stadium.
Their tradition goes back to the forties. They had nationally ranked teams and
they played they couldn't So why didn't your father send you there? That was
the choice he made. It was I think it came down to Aquinas or
Bishop Carneia. So because all these things that are brought against the Catholic Church,
it is interesting and it's interesting to see. Now, are do you
still practice? Do you have Are you bitter against the Catholic Church at all?
I don't know. I don't you know. I'm a Catholic. I
was brought up Catholic. I sang. I went to school in farmingdal they
had I went to Saint Killian's Grammar School, which had, believe it or
not, one of the best boy choirs, not only in the United States,
in the world, and I sang with them for four years, traveled
into the city. We sang under Leonard Bernstein. Wow, the Philharmonic,
New York Philharmonic. The I forget the name of the it's not Radio City
Music Hall, it's the other one. But anyway, uh. We sang
under the under the direction of Leonard Bernstein, and we made records. You
can get all this information on the internet. We also traveled outside and gave
concerts. We were We sang for Channel A couple of television stations in New
York, and the Channel five and Channel eleven we appeared. We were on
television there, Picks and Fox. I don't know if it was Fox then,
but it was Fox when I was a kid. Was Channel five out
of New York, and then Picks was eleven. But no bitterness against the
Catholic Church. I mean, did you experience any of this kind of stuff?
No, I did, the the the verbal and the physical abuse.
I did, yes, And it seemed like everybody had an experience. I
again, I only spent two years here. Those guys were telling me stay
away from brother whatever, stay away from him, or he's at he's a
little strange. And then the kicker is I graduated, and three of the
brothers, including the principal, brother Tracy, and he's passed away. They
married girls in my class. Ah really yeah, wow, So they left
the being. They left the brotherhood after getting married, had families. Brother
Tracy went to Geneva Dessalles High School and was the principal and then he passed
away about seven or eight years ago. The other two I don't know where
they went, but I know they were married and they had relationships with girls
in my class. It was well known and then was well known and not
stopped. Well, that's the hypocrisy and the said reality of the Catholic Church.
They instead of coming forward or confronting the brothers and the priests, the
nuns, all they did was protect them and they transferred them out. And
that was the big move. Getting transferred that way. They they had a
problem Bishop Carney. They transferred them to New York City, they transferred them
to Boston, they transferred them to Ohio. They transfer wherever they had schools.
Yeah, why do what would happen if you said anything to your family
about that? Did they buy into this too? Or now you have to
go back to you have to be old enough or go back to the mindset
of the sixties seventies and the religious atmosphere. My parents, and not just
my parents, anyone brought up Catholic believed that priests and brothers could do no
wrong, could do no wrong, and were above reproach and absolutely, if
you had gone to them and said I was abused physically, I was abused
verbally or the worst, sexually, they would have told you, or painted
it or slanted it that it was your problem. You must have done something,
You must have said something, You must have provoked them, you must
It couldn't have been his fault or her fault. I wonder how many people
when you say it like that, Having experienced myself with sexual abuse as a
child, it's odd when the like when you try to talk to your parents
or confront your parents on that and they don't necessarily react. Now I didn't
say anything at the time. I did much later. My parents have certainly
talked about it. But with the priest, I wonder how many people are
just so mad at their parents that they did nothing. Absolutely, And I
was around enough those two years to see physical abuse and verbal abuse, and
then walked to my friend's house and are on the quoit and him trying to
tell his mother or father whoever was home, that you know, I got
grabbed. He pulled my hair, he ripped my shirt, he pushed me,
he verbally called me a name. And I saw firsthand a parent's response,
which was, oh, Steve, oh Bob, oh Dave. You
know, I'm not gonna pursue this because I you know, you probably did
something that got them angry. That's that's gonna be rough. It is for
those kids and to see them, to see them now and I see them.
We uh, we have a reunion, breakfast, we go. We
have a lot of kids from the a lot of men and women now obviously
from my class, who get together and they now are bringing out the stories.
Although it's really fascinating to see the different types of personalities. A lot
of people deny it. They refuse to bring it up. They don't want
to hear it, and that that's in the past. That's in the past,
let's leave it. Whereas others say, why can't we discuss it.
We were all we all saw it, and we were all part of it,
and it affects you for your entire life. It's not something that an
experience that you It happens and you forget about. Have you ever talked to
your parents about it later in life? Yeah, I told them what I
It's funny. Many years later after I graduated from Bishop Carney, I told
my father and what was going on. And the perspective had changed because then
we knew, you're talking about the eighties and the nineties that abuse does happen.
Abuse happens in the the boardroom, the classroom. It happens in any
position of power or any position of influence, whether it be man or women.
When they have when it's the strata is set up so that they're they're
in, they're in that type of relationship, right right, That's wow,
that's something. Well. Then from there you went on to play quarterback for
Wyoming, which I don't think many people were familiar with until Josh Allen.
It came out of Wyoming, but you played their Division one at the time.
Yeah, it was. Wyoming was as a really funny history in the
sixties. In the mid sixties to around nineteen seventy, they were a top
program in Division one. They produced Vic Washington starred for the forty nine ers.
Gene Huey, who played and was a defensive back and became the running
backs coach for the Indianapolis Coats and was there with Peyton Manning for a long
time and retired Conrad Dobler, who was an All Pro tackle for the Cardinals.
A lot ye Jim Kick played on the Super Bowl Miami team was from
Wyoming, so they were I think they were ranked every year between sixty five
or sixty four and sixty nine. Yeah, now what year did you go
seventy two and how many games did you were you a starter at some point
in your career. No, what happened was back then you couldn't play as
a freshman varsity, so I started as a freshman. We played a semi
schedule back then, which I call the Colorado teams Air Force Colorado University,
Colorado, Beautiful Boulder, the most beautiful campus it is there in the Calorall
state. And then we played I think we played in New Mexico and it
was a small I think we played five or six games. That's it.
My sophomore year, I was red shirted. My junior year, I was
competing for the starting job and I was hurt, but I played a little
and that was it for They fired Fritz Shermer. Frich Shermer went on to
become I think he's either in the Hall of Fame or he's being nominated for
the Hall of Fame. As a defensive coordinator, he was the defensive coordinator
of the Green Bay Packers when they won the Super Bowl under Farbe. And
he was a great defensive coach in college and recognized as one of the best
during that time period when he was an assistant at Wyoming before he became the
head coach. But he only lasted seventy two, seventy three, seventy four,
three years, oh, seventy one, seventy two, seventy three,
and so all that. You don't go to play in the NFL after that.
But was there any at any point were you interested in coaching? Were
you was there a possibility of going into that caase you certainly have a love
for the game. Yeah, I was the problem I had. I was
at the the wrong time, at the wrong type of player, at the
wrong time. I was the dropback quarterback. The wishbone was introduced in the
late sixties. Arkansas played Texas for the National championship in sixty nine. Richard
Nixon at the time deemed that game the national championship game, which it should
have been. Those were the two top teams, but it was wishbone,
wishbone, wishbone. When I got to Wyoming, everything was wishbone. Eighty
percent of all the Division One teams played the wishbumbe. We actually scrimmage teams
before you started. It was the whack back then, Arizona, Arizona State,
Wyoming, New Mexico BYU, so even only BYU under Lavelle Edwards refused
to use the wishbone and developed five straight NFL quarterbacks. Go Jim McMahon,
Neil Gifford, Nilsen, Yeah, and I can't remember the other two,
but he didn't use the wishbone. We used the wishbone. If you couldn't
run, and you weren't an excellent runner, you were relegated to throwing the
ball. In some games. We threw the ball eight times. That's it,
yeah, ten times, eleven times, twelve times, and that was
considered a lot. In the We used to watch the Oklahoma Nebraska games and
Jack Mildron threw the ball eight times in the in the big game, which
was always Nebraska Oklahoma, and that was considered a lot back then. Even
if you weren't a Wishbone team. If you threw the ball twenty times,
Wow, that was a lot twenty four times. Today they throw the ball
forty times. It's nothing, so totally different game played totally You know,
you've got five out now or four out, the field is spread, you've
got receivers dominating the game with the quarterback back. Then we ran the ball,
and we ran the ball three fourths of the time. So how much
residual injuries do you have today? You know, huh, I've got if
you're running that much, Yeah, you're getting hit. Yeah, you're getting
hit a lot. And running quarterbacks, which I wasn't a very good one.
You've got to be obviously, you've got you have to be elusive,
and you've got to be fast, which I wasn't. To run and wish
one effectively. Once you'd ride the fake on the full back and you decide
to pitch, you have the end. He comes at you, where he
stays, you pitch the ball, you keep the ball. You have to
be able to accelerate through that hole and run. And that wasn't me.
Jim Plunkett was playing at the time. I mean when the Heisman Trophy in
seventy. That's the guy. I'm looking at him at Stanford while I was
at Wyoming. I didn't get there yet. I think he graduated when I
got there, but he was the guy. There were still schools, especially
on the West coast, that were passing able and some on the East coast
in Florida. Yeah, well, and from there, what do you do
after you leave Wyoming? I go to that was it was chaos because all
of us and this goes to show you how things work out on my freshman
team. On my freshman team, we had Lawrence Gaines, the number one
draft choice of the Detroit Lions. In nineteen seventy six, we had Aaron
Kyle, the number one draft choice of the Dallas Cowboys. Aaron Kyle played
ten or eleven years, won two Super Bowls with Dallas, and Lawrence Gaines
was probably for me, the best all around athlete I ever played with.
He went to Detroit and in the first game he started his first year,
he wrecked his knee and he I think he lasted one year after that.
So, but what about you? What happens to you? These guys were
obviously went on, Okay, do you come back here? Yeah? That
was my father's choice. He talked to me into not transfer. I was
gonna stay. That would have been a mistake. Anyway. They brought him
Freddie Acres, who was an assistant under Darryl Royal at Texas, and Texas
was a huge wishbone team, so they were one of the inventors of the
veer. He came into Wyoming and took Lawrence Gains and Andy Dixon, who
was a really good running back and used that offense. And I would have
still been in a wishbone offense. So were you you were looking to transfer?
Yeah, And then again, this is seventy four. It was hard
to find a team that threw the ball. Yeah, so you decided to
come back here and go to U of r No. I went to r
t L right to RT because Tom Coughlin, who was Super Bowl Yes with
the Giants, started the program there in seventy as a club football team.
Then he left and went to Syracuse. He was the assistant there. Then
he went to Boston College and eventually the Giants and Louis Biatti became the head
coach. My father met new Louis Biati, and that was the impetus for
me. So you did the transfer portal, but you were out of your
time. Look at that too, dead you can get the nil deals.
Yeah. That was the funny thing is that back then if you transferred down
you could you didn't have to sit out of So I transferred from a Division
one school Division three school, so I didn't have to sit out if it
was one to one. Well, it's interesting. And then after our I
t what happens to mister NFL. Then I played semi pro football here when
they had the stadium, Hollander Stadium. I played for the Monro Mustangs.
I played for the Twin City Geminis in Buffalo, and we traveled a very
good league. It was called the Atlantic Semi Pro Football League. To get
paid for this, I don't know what semi pro means. We got we
got a few dollars. It wasn't really It depended on the team and who
the owner was and where it was located and the whole financial from team to
team, it was all different. But we played at Hollander and I played
in Hollander at Bishop. I always thought that was a big deal to play
at Holland because it was a beautiful stadium and not too many high schools or
any semi pro teams could play there. Yeah, so you go do that,
and then one need to decide. I'm just I'm done, I'm done
playing. By thirty I decided that it was over. I had gotten injured
again. The league crumbled, the team went under under the coach who was
Bill Breon. He owned a printing business here, and we folded, and
then I knew that I decided, Well, I did go on to coach.
I coached at Eastridge in seventy nine eighty eighty one. We went to
the sectionals had started in seventy seven, and we went to the Sectional championship
in seventy nine, and we had a very good team and we lost fifteen
to fourteen at Hollander to a quitnas. Wow. So and then after that,
I mean, was there a much coaching? I know you wrote a
book about Yeah. I've always uh my brother and I and my brother played
quarterback, his son played quarterback. It seems like in our family there's a
number of yeah guys boys who played quarterback. So it's always been a big
deal for us. And I coached there. My brother coached Pop Warner.
I helped him out at Bloomfield Pop Warner when he moved to from Buffalo to
Canan Dagua. Canan Dagua had a program, but he took his two sons
and played in Bloomfield and coached there and uh and then so now here we
are and no no family for you. No, I never got married.
Sounds like there's a story there. I was close twice, but yeah,
for you know, for reasons unknown, it didn't mark out. So I
did not get married. And you know, I only I have a regret
that I don't have a son that I could have coached. Yeah, I
can understand that. I can completely understand that. With your love of the
game and your knowledge of the game and stuff, and then you you've become
a sports fixture. So sometimes these sports shows people get a little prickly,
like the host and stuff. Have you been banned from any sports shows?
So you told you're not allowed to call anymore? Or I remember Gweez used
to get mad at you. Right, We's got mad at me many times.
But you know, I started listening to Weez when he was overnight jock
jockey eighty five. Yeah, so I just was listening to him, and
then he became a fixture on a radio, and I would call in.
And then he did more sports, and he got people like John Detulio and
they were you know, he would do sports and the bills and you would
call in. Sometimes you get a long time on. Yeah, it all
depends on the topic and whether he thinks you're actually know what you're talking about.
Yeah, you did me, he did, and he called his sports
show, and you called Matthews and he called all the other short shows too.
You should add why didn't you try to get your own? That's a
good question, welcome. He didn't do that because I hated the button,
you know, and me and Bob Matthews many times had debates on different aspects
of what do you mean he hated the button? What's the button? Well,
he would flush me if if I said something that he felt was wrong
or he didn't believe me. I think you liked the challenge of trying to
stay on as long as he could. I don't think he gave a shit
about anything else. You didn't want to deal with all the other stuff,
you know, the this side of radio, so to speak, where you've
got to answer to people and you know, commercials and that sort of thing.
Yeah, that's interesting. And then and what did you do for a
living? Rit? I mean he went to that's a I want to say,
a prestigious it is school, It really is. Yeah, it's developed
over the years since I've been there. It was like a what did you
major in there? A criminal justice and business? Okay, so criminal justice
is still really big. That's funny. My son is graduating and he is
what I call criminal justice on steroids, but it's cybersecurity and Rit is one
of the best at that. And then he's looking to go to grad school
and eventually law school. Good luck to him, and I think he took
the right path because mister Galasano again poured money into the computer program and it's
named name the Tom Yes, and the reason they jumped ahead was the money
was right at the right time. And their gaming programs, it's really impressive.
They their software production on gaming. Yeah, Paul, that is impressive.
That's impressive. And they have that do you ever go back to like
imagine RI I T. It's something that they do with these that's a really
cool thing that they do over there. And brilliant young minds. Absolutely R
I T M I T. And what's the one in California. Uh,
oh, California Tech Institute. Is that what it is? The California Technically
I C I T. I'm not sure what it is. So those three
have always uh you know, I think Rit's mission was to become M I
T. Yeah, and they have really. Yeah, that's it. That's
impressive. Well, what an interesting conversation with you. I always found you
interesting. Uh you know, sometimes we had to rush you along because you
know, you taught, but I think you you didn't care. You never
even seem to get upset they would say stupid shit or mean ship. You
didn't even care. You kind of got the whole idea that it was entertainment
absolutely. I mean, did you ever call f A ann or anything as
a kid? I don't know if f A n was around, but wasn't
around, Okay, it didn't. It didn't become popular until FRANCESSA and the
Dog. Yeah mad Dog. Yeah, they're both. I don't know where
Frances It may still be on the radio, but I think Mad Dog's on
satellite. Late eighties. I was already in my thirties. Yeah, but
no, I was already here too. I lived in Albany and I moved
to I lived in Albany, and I lived in Florida for a while for
a while, and then he came back here. Yeah, well it has
been a I really enjoyed this. I did. Thank you. It's funny.
What was the name of the book you wrote, Oh, The Art
of the Quarterback? The overhand Release. Okay, that was it and still
available, like if you went onto Amazon, it's not and I kind of
you could put it into your own reprint. Yeah, I'm thinking of that
right now looking at it. And obviously it's been more than fifteen years.
Yeah, and it needs to be updated, right, and it needs to
be revised. Yeah, but if you tweaked it a little bit, I
wonder if it would actually move right. Yeah, I'd love to see you
sell a couple of cops just to have something that you did that you did,
right, I mean you poured a lot into that. That's a big
piece of you. Well, let it benefit, let other people see it.
Yeah, you know what that is. It's a lifelong conversation my brother
and I had That started when my father decided to come outside when I was
six and say here, this is the way you throw a football to my
brother and to me, and say practice and throw the ball back if you
like it, if you want to do it. And then my brother and
I started talking about, you know, throwing the football watching other players,
Steve Spurriy or Joe Namath, Haydel, Lenny Dawson, Kenny Stabler. Yeah.
Wow, well I have I knew there was some depth there with mister
NFL, some some real depth there over the over the years when he would
call in. I'm thinking back to sometimes for having me on, because you
know again I I I've called into the show there, and I've called into
other shows, and uh, it's what I like doing. So yeah,
it is like yeah, and I mean and outside of football, what what
would be your favorite sport? I would assume NFL is your number one?
Yeah, college and professional football and college basketball. College basketball was really interesting,
NBA and the Yankees. I grew up a big Yankees, Yeah,
I was. My grandfather was a New York City fireman. Used to take
me to games a lot as a kid. Yankee Stadium and uh, one
time we had to sit in the bleachers. We're above the dugout. I
just I was eight and I knew Ron Gidgery was down there warming up and
I just kept screaming his name, screaming his name until he finally looked up
and goes what And I had nothing to say. I had nothing to say,
right, But you're trying to concentrate, you know, and you're just
a kid. I'm a kid not realizing this is his job. This is
he's trying to you know. It would be like when you're when you're that
age, you think they have you know, their job is to I just
wanted to say hi, he was the coolest guy around. Look at me,
Yes, acknowledge me. Yes. And it reminds me of what I
was seven years old. My father took me to a Yankee game and Mickey
Mannle and Roger Morris and I walked in and I was in awe when I
finally came through the tunnel out to the field and took a look at Yankee
Stadium. You know, Yeah, it was the old Yankee Stadium, the
original. Yes, the original. I remember that too, the first time
I saw that. Yes, I can see it just now in my head.
Well, thank you for your time, and uh, mister NFL,
be looking for that book. The Art of the Quarterback should be available wherever
you get books. How I'm gonna say within the year. It's a motivation.
Got to get out there and do a Paul for Paul a damo or
a Demo a Damo. See there you go, mister NFL. I'm Bill
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