WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.600 --> 00:00:07.599 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports 2 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:14.759 fourteen fifty powered by Nova Insurance Services and Sure Your Most Prized Possessions katz R 3 00:00:14.839 --> 00:00:19.199 two SAG and iHeartRadio Station at Hey. Good afternoon, everybody, Welcome to 4 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:23.160 RI on the Ball Hero Fox Sports fourteen fifty. I'm Steve Rivera. You're 5 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:26.640 not Jagan's Aunes, but you're Matt Reynoldson. Back for your last day. 6 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:28.879 Yeah, glad to be back here and back in the studio. A couple 7 00:00:28.920 --> 00:00:31.719 of times last week Jake comes back. I don't think you're gonna be like, 8 00:00:31.920 --> 00:00:36.840 uh, what's that show? I always forgetting. I'll remember this after 9 00:00:36.840 --> 00:00:40.000 a while where he gets his brakes cut and do well. He doesn't. 10 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:43.320 He lost his job and you're you're in, you know what I'm I'm ready 11 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:45.600 to fill in and anytime, though, call me a pinch hitter up on 12 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:49.600 the dugout. Yeah, show girls, showgirls. Yeah you remember that she 13 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:53.200 tripped her and she took over the job. Okay, so but you know 14 00:00:53.520 --> 00:00:56.399 that's for another day. And we got our boy Ryan and Ryan, good 15 00:00:56.399 --> 00:00:59.439 to see you. You scared me there for about ten minutes. Sorry about 16 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:03.359 that that's a that's age real quickly. I used to have dark hair. 17 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:07.159 No, I don't thank you Ryan for coming in. I guess did you 18 00:01:07.159 --> 00:01:15.840 guys see that Tommy Lloyd's gonna have only eleven scholarship players on the roster and 19 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:19.760 you know the faithful crazy fans that Arizona has. Oh, they don't have 20 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:23.560 depth, they don't have this. What are your thoughts, because I have 21 00:01:23.599 --> 00:01:26.799 mind? How many times are you playing thirteen scholarship players? Exactly? We 22 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:29.120 talked about it a little bit last week, the same thing, you know, 23 00:01:29.480 --> 00:01:34.040 and Tommy Lloyd goes eight, he does, He'll maybe go ten early, 24 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:37.719 but then guess what in the big games, he's going seven or eight, 25 00:01:37.799 --> 00:01:40.640 right, And they figured out that rotation pretty early on last year and 26 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:42.760 that made a big difference kind of down the stretch of that back twelve season 27 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:47.640 when they wrapped up the regular season conference title. No disrespect to Tommy, 28 00:01:47.680 --> 00:01:51.359 but I don't know he knows how to spell depth because he doesn't use it. 29 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:53.959 No, but they could add to potentially it leaves open for potentially a 30 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:59.400 late portal edition or maybe even another high school scholarship piece. Another after a 31 00:01:59.439 --> 00:02:01.719 five star guard and a six' ten guard and Will Riley, who could 32 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:06.560 reclassify from the twenty twenty five class to the twenty four class, so could 33 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:09.000 be another edition to the roster that could play a role in that rotation this 34 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:13.639 year. So just joking, so nobody can create a big Facebook page and 35 00:02:13.680 --> 00:02:15.280 sudden, you know what I mean that Tommy was joking, of course with 36 00:02:15.319 --> 00:02:19.280 a depth thing. But he doesn't. He doesn't. He doesn't use it 37 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:22.120 a whole out, not in crunch time. And guess what time it is 38 00:02:22.159 --> 00:02:24.400 in crunch time in March all the time, right right, So, and 39 00:02:24.439 --> 00:02:28.639 I mean it's way basketball is approached right now. You know, you have 40 00:02:28.719 --> 00:02:31.039 to look at who your best players are, who your closers are, who 41 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:35.680 you can trust to make the right plays at the right times. And you 42 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:38.960 know, I think we saw it in March last year of they really shrunk 43 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:44.319 that rotation after having a lot of turnover issues against Long or against Long Beach 44 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:47.319 and against Dayton, and they shrunk that rotation a little bit in the second 45 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:51.039 half of that Dayton game and kind of cleaned up a lot of the turnovers 46 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:53.560 because they were able to run away with that. And they got yeah, 47 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:54.960 and they got a little scared because they were you know, they were doing 48 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:58.759 stuff they don't usually do with the turnovers. Like you said, yep, 49 00:02:58.800 --> 00:03:01.840 they eventually pulled away, but but then came the next game and it was 50 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:05.960 over. Yeah. Yeah, it's what happens when you shoot what two for 51 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:08.879 twenty eight from three or something like that was bad and who knows that could 52 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:14.080 always happen again at any time, but it only matters in March. That's 53 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:16.759 basketball. That's uh. Yeah, we should start a podcast on something. 54 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:20.719 I'll throw this idea at you later, right. I know you're looking for 55 00:03:21.120 --> 00:03:24.000 issues to get out out of town and get a job, but well, 56 00:03:24.039 --> 00:03:27.680 we can do podcasts from anywhere. That's the beauty of twenty twenty four, 57 00:03:27.719 --> 00:03:30.080 you know, true, Steven, Steve and I will dominate the podcast market. 58 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:34.080 You know. It will bring everybody with us and we'll have love great 59 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:37.080 listeners that follow us, just like they do here on Fox Sports fourteenth fifty. 60 00:03:37.120 --> 00:03:38.560 Right. No, I like the way you're thinking. We'll bring on 61 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:44.199 Ryan to monitory our podcast and we'll be fine. Yeah, Ryan, you're 62 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:46.360 gonna keep us in line. I got it. I'll be there. Okay, 63 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:50.240 good. We need a monitor, we need a monitor, okay, 64 00:03:50.319 --> 00:03:53.400 cool? Cool, Last day for you, Ryan, You not you Ryan. 65 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:58.680 But Matt Jay comes back tomorrow and we'll see how tan he is. 66 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:02.439 But we have a good show today. I've got Rocky of the Rose coming 67 00:04:02.439 --> 00:04:05.759 in for the first hour. I wanted to talk to her about kind of 68 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:10.680 kind of going back to what we're doing before reminiscing about the PAC twelve Pack 69 00:04:10.800 --> 00:04:15.879 ten when she was involved a long time ago as an AD, as a 70 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:18.360 player, as an AD and an administrator, talking about some of the great 71 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.240 stories. And I also want to get her take on what's going on today 72 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:28.120 with women's sports and obviously the hot topic with Caitlyn Clark we've been talking about 73 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:30.279 the last couple days. Obviously, did you see the game this weekend. 74 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:31.959 I'm sure you've seen enough for the highlights and all that. Yeah, what's 75 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:39.319 your take? You know, I think they women's sports have grown in such 76 00:04:39.319 --> 00:04:43.240 an exponential way. I think over the last five years that it might just 77 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:46.560 discredit the overall movement in it to credit it to one player. You know, 78 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:51.480 I've seen volleyball grow exponentially to the point where there is you know, 79 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:55.639 professional volleyball taking off, you know all around this country. You know, 80 00:04:55.639 --> 00:05:00.160 women's soccer has been huge, especially with the US women's national team leading the 81 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.639 way and then the National Women's Soccer League really having a bunch of momentum. 82 00:05:03.720 --> 00:05:09.519 I know in Kansas City they built a stadium specifically for the Kansas City Current, 83 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:12.839 which is the soccer team there. And so I think, I think 84 00:05:12.879 --> 00:05:15.480 we're seeing growth in those realms all across the country. And I think as 85 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:19.920 much as NIL grows and as much as the interests in the college games grow, 86 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:25.279 you start to see, you know, these athletes that are representing schools 87 00:05:25.319 --> 00:05:30.399 that people love in so many different ways, carry their careers forward and maybe 88 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:31.839 do it in more of a four year sense as opposed to a one and 89 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:35.439 done sense, and I think that will create some more momentum, continue to 90 00:05:35.439 --> 00:05:39.600 create more momentum and women's sports. And we see at the u of A 91 00:05:39.600 --> 00:05:42.879 as well, what more momentum from you? And you're out the door there 92 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:48.279 right, just kidding and of course your guests for those who don't know, 93 00:05:48.360 --> 00:05:54.120 Steve is very anti momentum in sports. But this is more of a trend 94 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:57.040 talk. You know it is and then that is it and it's trending up. 95 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:00.360 Obviously in a huge situation for kiddon car gonna ask here about that because 96 00:06:00.560 --> 00:06:04.480 at no point in my life, probably no question in yours, that has 97 00:06:04.600 --> 00:06:10.720 has have the women dominated the headlines like they are doing now, outside of 98 00:06:10.720 --> 00:06:14.360 maybe the USA soccer team a few years back when they were doing so well, 99 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:15.480 right and taking out their uniforms and all that stuff, you know, 100 00:06:15.639 --> 00:06:19.240 kind of the highlight of the teams back to back World Cups for them, 101 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:21.759 and I mean they're just they were a dominant team, and I think that 102 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:27.040 really rallied the country around soccer like it maybe hasn't been. I think with 103 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:30.800 the generation younger than me, I consider myself a back end millennial, but 104 00:06:30.120 --> 00:06:32.879 with the generation younger than me, I think a lot of them have gravitated 105 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:38.040 towards soccer in the international sense. And you know, the US men are 106 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:41.480 getting better, but they they're never going to be a perennial, you know, 107 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:45.319 World Cup final contender, I don't think in my lifetime. But you 108 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:48.199 know, the women have set the stage and set the standard I think for 109 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:53.439 international soccer for a long time. And I think that was maybe a spur 110 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:56.480 of momentum in and of itself, because people love rallying around teams, and 111 00:06:56.519 --> 00:07:00.120 I think that's a really unifier. They like winning teams and that's what they 112 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:02.120 were so rocky at the first hour. And then we're going to go to 113 00:07:02.399 --> 00:07:06.839 Tempe and Hoad Rabino from Devil's Digest I wanted to get his take and then 114 00:07:06.839 --> 00:07:10.720 we've had him on a few times before, but wanted to get his taken. 115 00:07:10.839 --> 00:07:15.240 What the people on Tempe think about the new recruits for basketball? Right? 116 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:16.959 You know? The it was a trickle effect with Lloyd and with Love 117 00:07:18.040 --> 00:07:23.519 coming here, Arizona losing a couple one going to Tempe and now they have 118 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:27.360 like two or three pretty good players up there. I already saw something today 119 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:32.240 that kind of struck me where they're saying they're maybe one or two people a 120 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:39.040 big deal, that the Sun Devils could be a sleeper for the Big twelve 121 00:07:40.000 --> 00:07:43.000 champion or whatever. Up up, tie because they got a couple of good 122 00:07:43.000 --> 00:07:46.439 players. Shut up, Shut up. Two dudes is not going to move 123 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:49.240 the needle all that much for a team that needs to get a lot more 124 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:54.800 players. Yeah, and that's my humble opinion. Take it for what it's 125 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:59.240 worth, and I'll say that two dudes, two young dudes, Good luck 126 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:01.639 with that. Good luck? You know what? And I think I know 127 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:05.120 there's a there's a very very obviously as there should be, you know, 128 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:09.639 slant toward the U of A down here in southern Arizona, and U of 129 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:11.560 A has been the better program. And I think you could say it every 130 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:16.040 sport too, because you know, the Territorial Cup stays in Tucson this year. 131 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:18.680 But you know, the ASU has quite a bit of momentum now that 132 00:08:18.759 --> 00:08:24.160 they finally settled down the athletic director search, killing were mooted from it, 133 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:30.279 promoted from within. They have positive news, finally a su they got Edwards 134 00:08:30.319 --> 00:08:35.120 out of the door. They have finally some recruits coming into Bobby Hurley's program. 135 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:39.039 Kenny Dillingham is a very likable guy, a good young coach, and 136 00:08:39.080 --> 00:08:43.360 they have better things going their way in the Big Twelve given. But when 137 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:48.279 it comes to basketball, I can't make even any argument under the sun that 138 00:08:48.320 --> 00:08:52.200 they're going to be a top eight team in that conference totally degree. There 139 00:08:52.240 --> 00:08:54.320 would have to be a lot of things that go well for that to happen, 140 00:08:54.679 --> 00:09:00.480 even top eight, top top half ten. Good. Weal with that, 141 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:03.000 it's not going to be easy. It's a loaded league. Yeah, 142 00:09:03.039 --> 00:09:05.399 we'll see, we'll see what the optimism is up there. It's shirt. 143 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:09.039 It's very high, as it should be, but realistically where it fits into 144 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:13.879 the whole scheme of things right and basketball, they the Big twelve lost Texas 145 00:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.039 and Oklahoma, but those were not two of the best basketball programs in the 146 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:20.399 conference. I mean, you've got Kansas, Houston, We've talked about Baylor, 147 00:09:20.799 --> 00:09:24.120 Texas Tech has an incredible home Homecoor State, Iowa State, West Virginia 148 00:09:24.159 --> 00:09:28.120 has an incredible home. So that's already five or six. That's six six 149 00:09:28.240 --> 00:09:33.039 at Colorado always going to have a tough time surviving that place, especially on 150 00:09:33.080 --> 00:09:37.840 the road, tough out where guess what they're they're gonna get the kid in 151 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:41.600 Clark treatment because hey, you're the new kid in town or in the conference. 152 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:43.960 We're gonna show you how it works here and welcome in, well, 153 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:48.039 come in, come with the water's warm. Yeah, and and let's see 154 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:50.559 how this plays out. Those games will be so fun to watch. It's 155 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:52.399 gonna be fantastic because those crowds will be juiced. You're not you're not going 156 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:56.840 up to Oregon State or going to cal or Stanford where they're you know, 157 00:09:56.919 --> 00:10:01.240 happy, half half sleep, half asleep, half arenas Most of the kids 158 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:03.679 are in the library. You know. No, that's not the case in 159 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:07.120 Morgantown, West Virginia. That's not the case in Lubbock, Texas or Lawrence, 160 00:10:07.200 --> 00:10:11.919 Kansas. These are fun home court arenas and they're gonna be ready for 161 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:15.159 Arizona, Yeah, to come back into town, just as Arizona should. 162 00:10:15.399 --> 00:10:18.240 Should have the same type of feeling with these teams coming in. In fact, 163 00:10:18.159 --> 00:10:20.879 UVA doesn't pay me a cent, but if you don't have tickets to 164 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:24.279 if you have money to buy tickets for basketball, you should get them. 165 00:10:24.320 --> 00:10:26.720 Do it. I'm in that schedule next year. It's gonna come out probably 166 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:30.159 in the next month or two. But you will see Duke on the home 167 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:33.720 schedule. We know that already. You know. We'll talk maybe a bit 168 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:37.279 a little bit about a potential rebirth of the rivalry with UCLA coming up later 169 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:41.200 in the show. There's a little teaser for you. But you know, 170 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:46.399 you have better teams coming in to McHale this year in conference, potentially Kansas, 171 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:50.120 potentially Houston, Baylor. They'll bring all of these teams into McHale because 172 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:54.399 they want those cash cow basketball games, because that's where the Big twelve makes 173 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:58.320 up for the gap between the Big Ten and SEC and football the Big twelve 174 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:01.600 makes it up in back skip all because it's so much better than those conferences 175 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:03.720 with the addition to these fourteams. Yeah, and it'll be a lot of 176 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:09.679 fun to go to those games. In fact, the people who've had tickets 177 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:13.080 for a long time and haven't really got their money's worth over the last five 178 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.320 ten years are going to start to get their money's worth now because of those 179 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.840 big games. Yes, well it's going to be exciting, certainly. Yeah. 180 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:22.480 The unfortunate thing is I could already see it like I saw against North 181 00:11:22.519 --> 00:11:28.080 Carolina when No North Carolina came into town. The people had tickets were scouring 182 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.039 those babies for the big, big prices. And you're talking fifteen sixteen years 183 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:35.399 ago when Luke played the you know, coach Williamson, he brought him in 184 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:41.000 and North Carolina kicked the crap out of Arizona. Arizona Blut was on his 185 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:45.960 final years and and people sold those tickets because there was worth. They were 186 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:48.720 worth a lot of money. I hope that doesn't happen here because you know, 187 00:11:48.960 --> 00:11:52.399 the loyal fans will love the will love the schedule. Yeah, and 188 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:54.559 not to put the car ahead of the horse. But how do you win 189 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.039 in the Big twelve? You win with grown men, and Arizona has a 190 00:11:58.120 --> 00:12:01.399 roster roll of grown men right now, up class and guys that have seen 191 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:03.879 a lot of balls. And we'll find out how tough they're gonna be, 192 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.240 because we've seen that needs still need to get tougher. The key shot. 193 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:11.240 You lose an enforcer and Keyshot Johnson, do you bring one in and Trey 194 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:13.080 Townsend, do you bring a guy in like Tobyo Walka to be that guy? 195 00:12:13.360 --> 00:12:18.720 Can Mo creeve us, you know, extend to that level of what 196 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.279 Whomarbala was from a physicality standpoint. That's part of the fun of the off 197 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:24.559 season. We'll kind of see that grow, right and you've toll these games 198 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.960 out with the guys that are coming back, you know, with Crevis obviously 199 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:31.879 be one amoment the back court. I think they're gonna be fantastic too. 200 00:12:31.639 --> 00:12:37.639 It's doesn't matter from November to March tenth, because after that it's that's what 201 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:41.919 it counts. And I know they've looked more toward the transfer portal than maybe 202 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:43.960 high school recruiting, especially with losing a couple high school recruits, which we 203 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:48.000 will talk about coming up in the show. But I think with the guys 204 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:50.639 that they brought in from the high school standpoint, Carter Bryant and Emmanuel Steven, 205 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.200 those two guys look the part of guys that could come in and contribute 206 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:58.679 it right away. They're gonna have a nice first year because they'll play they'll 207 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:03.120 play Steven's I'm not too sure, but they will definite play. I mean 208 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:07.279 that five star with that. I love the mix. But we'll see how 209 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:11.000 Caleb Love adjusts to his new role if he does have one, or his 210 00:13:11.080 --> 00:13:15.679 adjustment to his new role. Uh, and then Bradley how he fits in 211 00:13:15.960 --> 00:13:18.440 with the ball in his hands most of the time. Yeah, I want 212 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:20.600 to bring that up a little bit. You talked about Caleb Love adjusting to 213 00:13:20.639 --> 00:13:24.200 a new role. Could one of those roles be a backup point guard to 214 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:28.960 Jaden Bradley. Yeah, because you don't see a one behind Jayde and Bradley 215 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:31.480 on the match, and that's where the depth, that's where the concerns are. 216 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:33.840 Yes, because he'll have to be Uh. You don't know how he 217 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:37.639 adjusts to it, but guess what at the next level, guess what he'll 218 00:13:37.679 --> 00:13:41.960 have to be that guy he'll be true combo so you'll have to say, 219 00:13:41.200 --> 00:13:46.799 okay, as the shot not as good as the pass should be and he'll 220 00:13:46.840 --> 00:13:50.120 have to pass more. And his assister turnover ratio took a big jump last 221 00:13:50.159 --> 00:13:52.600 year. I think it was the best year of his career from that in 222 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:54.960 all aspect. And that's what you want for that's what you want with a 223 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:58.000 true combo guard, a true guy that's going to be in the point guard 224 00:13:58.120 --> 00:14:03.120 rotation. Jaden Bradley gets a breather, right. I just my whole thing, 225 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:05.960 with the whole thing is these two guys who love the ball in their 226 00:14:07.039 --> 00:14:09.720 hand. How are you going to how are you going to adjust to that? 227 00:14:09.799 --> 00:14:11.519 There's always only one basket, that's right, and there's five dudes on 228 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:13.720 the court, yep, with the other dudes winning the ball too, But 229 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.960 the big things, you still have to have them motivated to the end result, 230 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:20.600 which is winning the ball game. It's not about me, it's not 231 00:14:20.639 --> 00:14:22.600 about stats. It's about getting the ways. 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He's Reynoldson, got Ryan with us and now you have Rocky 312 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:07.400 the Rose former. You a associate A D. Is that right? Associate 313 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:14.000 Deputy a D and athletic directors just a short period of time. No, 314 00:20:14.240 --> 00:20:17.960 no, yeah, right right, there's been a few here. Welcome to 315 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:21.000 the show. We've been wanting to have you on to kind of go back 316 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:23.759 in time and reminisce about the PAC twelve. Now, back in the day 317 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:29.160 Pac ten you played in it. Here was the PAC ten back then? 318 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:32.880 What was it? Actually? We were the Inner Mountain Conference. The women 319 00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:37.319 joined about see the men joined in seventy eight, women joined in eighty six. 320 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:41.680 Okay that late? Okay? God does it seem forever ago or no? 321 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:45.440 It just does seem forever ago. Well, it's like all things, 322 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:48.920 you know, You're like, where did the time go? I mean, 323 00:20:48.160 --> 00:20:52.680 in some ways, it seems like yesterday, right right, you must be 324 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:59.119 amazed at how things have progressed for women, women's athletics and women totally in 325 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:03.440 this league and in every other league. Oh I can't. I am so 326 00:21:03.000 --> 00:21:07.720 happy and proud what's happening these days with women's athletics. I mean, we've 327 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:11.680 worked hard over the last three years to grow women's athletics and then all of 328 00:21:11.680 --> 00:21:14.319 a sudden, it just seems like it's kick starting and it's taking off, 329 00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:17.759 which is just wonderful. Right right, let's go to today. What's going 330 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:19.960 on today? Then we can reminisce about the ten and PAC twelve. Okay, 331 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:25.720 so you must how are you looking at the Katelyntle Clark situation. I 332 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:26.920 kind of don't want to get into the weeds, but if you can, 333 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:33.440 she's brought the game to a new level, but there seems to be some 334 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:40.640 hiccups. Well, there's no denying she's the star of women's basketball and she 335 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:45.880 has brought attention directly to the game, and I mean there's just no denying 336 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:49.680 that, and it's amazing. All these years we've said what we need is 337 00:21:49.720 --> 00:21:53.079 a star, what we need is winning, you know, as much money 338 00:21:53.119 --> 00:21:57.599 and marketing and TV exposure that you can throw there, you still need that 339 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:03.160 spark and Kate lends the one that has brought it right right. You've had 340 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:06.519 through the years a number of people who have come through in a number of 341 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:11.400 different sports obviously, but she's kind of been the beacon. Well, it's 342 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:15.519 kind of like, you know, all the storms came together finally, you 343 00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:18.319 know, we've been building and building and building, and then she comes on 344 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:22.599 the scene. I mean, it's just been incredible to watch. It really 345 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:26.799 has been so one thing. You played sports. You played softball, very 346 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:30.240 good at it. You played a lot of different sports probably, but I'm 347 00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:33.640 sure you were a tough competitor. How would you describe yourself? And today 348 00:22:33.720 --> 00:22:38.000 everyone's talking about competing and being tough and being rugged. I'm sure it hasn't 349 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:44.319 changed forty years later now, it hasn't. We were just as competitive back 350 00:22:44.359 --> 00:22:49.440 then. I was so fortunate to be on a national champions national champion team 351 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:55.160 for a fast pitch tria A softball and then later played for the USA in 352 00:22:55.559 --> 00:22:59.119 the World Cup in Tokyo, Japan, So we were just as competitive. 353 00:22:59.200 --> 00:23:03.519 I will say this, I think the difference is in softball. You know, 354 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.680 we were pretty strong one through six, but now they're strong one through 355 00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:11.000 nine. I mean, you know, the women, the depth of all 356 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:17.039 the teams and the athleticism is so much better that there's no doubt about that. 357 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:21.519 But competitive, we were just as competitive. Yeah, well, said 358 00:23:22.119 --> 00:23:25.960 Rocky matt here trying to connect it, you know, throughout the history of 359 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:29.039 women's athletics, especially you know, bringing it into a focus at the u 360 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:33.799 of a from your standpoint and seeing it kind of from the external view. 361 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:37.960 This year it was we celebrated fifty years of Arizona softball, and that got 362 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:42.200 a chance for the current team to connect with all five decades of the Wildcat 363 00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:47.200 softball program, which is obviously one of the most accomplished in any level of 364 00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:51.440 college athletics, in any sport, but certainly means a lot to the community 365 00:23:51.480 --> 00:23:55.000 here in Tucson. How did you see that and how do you think that 366 00:23:55.480 --> 00:23:59.400 the players on this current team were able to connect and make it mean something 367 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:03.559 more than just oh, this is a celebration before a few games. Well, 368 00:24:03.640 --> 00:24:07.640 that was a wonderful celebration. It truly was seeing everybody back and down 369 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:14.039 on the field and then yes, seeing the connection between our alums and the 370 00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:17.920 current student athletes, you could tell they were truly in awe, especially prior 371 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:19.319 to the game when we had a chance to talk to some of them, 372 00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:25.240 and then after the game. Yeah, it was really it was heartwarming. 373 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:27.920 And then you know, especially to hear some of the current players that said 374 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:32.599 they looked up to, you know, some of the former players that played 375 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:36.640 on national championship teams and that they were their mentor and now they finally got 376 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:40.839 to meet them. That was really special. Back in ninety one, I 377 00:24:41.039 --> 00:24:44.039 was there with Kendrea at Oklahoma City, I think it was ninety won maybe 378 00:24:44.119 --> 00:24:47.960 ninety two when he won his first title. You were what was what was 379 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.599 your capacity? I think you may have been an assistant to said at the 380 00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:56.079 time. How was that did coming of age? That's right, Yeah, 381 00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.279 I was. As I said, Dempsey was our director of athletics. One 382 00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:04.200 was our first championship. All I remember from that was I didn't ride with 383 00:25:04.319 --> 00:25:07.839 the team to the stadium, and since we won, I could never ride 384 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:15.200 with the stadium from then on. So superstitious. So ninety two, I 385 00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:18.279 don't know. They wanted back in ninety two too, So you didn't take 386 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:22.240 that you didn't take that trip either. Well, yeah, that became our 387 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:26.720 our second summer home, I guess, so to speak. I mean you'd 388 00:25:26.759 --> 00:25:30.680 be there for like two weeks and try to avoid the tornadoes and the whatever. 389 00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:33.480 How many you know, you're right, because I remember there were tornado 390 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:37.079 warnings that that that two year, those two years, how many times in 391 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:41.039 rain delay or we'd be playing at midnight? And I'm glad they've kind of 392 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:45.160 switched up some of that now and don't allow that to happen anymore. But 393 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.680 right, well, yeah, we had some late nights in that stadium for 394 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:51.519 you. For you though, because you played the game and you played it 395 00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:53.880 here, it must have been I don't know, did you party cry or 396 00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:59.599 get emotional? Because throughout the career of Kensrea, it was like, we're 397 00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:02.240 going back to Oklahoma. We're going back to Lahoma. We have a chance 398 00:26:02.319 --> 00:26:04.519 to win it all. Yeah, you just sort of planned on it, 399 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:07.279 you know, ut least on going to the College World Series. We never 400 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:11.279 planned on winning because you know, you had to focus on that part. 401 00:26:11.359 --> 00:26:15.640 But oh, it was just tremendous. But the nerves, you know, 402 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.720 would get so much to me. I would end up I just couldn't sit 403 00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:22.720 in the stand, So I would either be on the sidelines or somewhere somewhere 404 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:29.119 in the outfield because it just got It would be so intense sometimes and then 405 00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:30.839 so exciting when it happened, And of course I'd have to whip out my 406 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:34.279 camera at the end, you know, and try to catch those special celebration 407 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.920 moments. Yeah, Rocky. Before we circle back on the PAC twelve, 408 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:42.880 one more thing about Arizona softball. The two teams playing for the national championship 409 00:26:44.160 --> 00:26:48.680 tomorrow through Friday will be Texas and Oklahoma, two teams in the Big Twelve. 410 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:52.319 They're obviously moving to the SEC, but now Arizona has a chance to 411 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:56.119 come in and be one of the flag carriers for the Big Twelve in now 412 00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:59.519 a new era of softball for the conference. Obviously the PAC twelve was so 413 00:26:59.599 --> 00:27:03.160 success, but what kind of opportunity awaits the Wildcats in this new league. 414 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:08.920 Well, that's an interesting question because you know, we've always considered the Pac 415 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:14.559 twelve to be a strong softball I mean conference, right, maybe the best 416 00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:19.039 with when you put together UCLA and Arizona's victories over the years, I don't 417 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:22.680 know, I don't think there are two teams that would equal up to those 418 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:26.839 national championship titles. So so I don't know, I think, well, 419 00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:30.079 it's a great opportunity moving into the Big twelve and show what we can do. 420 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.880 You know, Texas and Oklahoma's incredible how their programs have grown over the 421 00:27:34.000 --> 00:27:37.079 years. You know, they've put a lot of money into it, a 422 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:44.000 beautiful stadiums, so it'll be interesting. I just think it's kind of a 423 00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:48.079 new challenge. So maybe it's take a deep breath and you know, get 424 00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:51.960 at it and see what we can do. So being an administrator for all 425 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:56.240 these years too, outside of softball, you've got a couple of championships, 426 00:27:56.519 --> 00:28:02.400 well a lot of them in swimming obviously, golf and baseball. So what 427 00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:07.599 were some of your prouder moments to kind of be at and witness. Well, 428 00:28:07.640 --> 00:28:10.960 it's always the first, I have to tell you, the first time 429 00:28:11.039 --> 00:28:15.000 you win national championship, it just feels like nothing else. I mean, 430 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:18.519 it's so exciting. So i'd have to say the first, you know, 431 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:25.160 I remember winning men's golf when we were in Albuquerque. I also remember the 432 00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:27.160 last I remember, you know, being at the College World Series when Andy 433 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:33.680 Lopez's team won in twenty twelve. So gosh, they're all so exciting, 434 00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:37.000 you know, being with the women's golf, just seeing those athletes when they've 435 00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.400 worked so hard and the coaches and everything they've put into it to all come 436 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.799 together. Those are just incredible, incredible moments. But you know what, 437 00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.200 I also remember, I also remember winning our first Pack ten or PAC twelve 438 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:52.119 championships, because those were major steps, you know, the pack man, 439 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:57.000 that Pack ten the PAC twelve was one tough conference, and so to win 440 00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:02.079 a conference championship and then to look back and know that we've won what sixty 441 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:07.799 seventy of them over the you know, over the years, amazing what kind 442 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:11.119 of a run we had in the pack Rockey. The EU of A has 443 00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:15.880 a very long and good history of strong women's administrators within the athletic department, 444 00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:21.920 between yourself and now in current day at Erica Barnes as well. But Desiree 445 00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:26.039 Reed Francois is the first female athletic director in the University of Arizona's history. 446 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:33.279 How much does that take athletics to another realm and just open doors for female 447 00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:36.799 administrators really around the country and the region, but especially at the u A. 448 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.160 Well you just said it. It opens the doors I mean to actually 449 00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:45.640 see that and have someone as successful as Desiree and what she's done in her 450 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:51.319 career and what she's accomplished so far to this point, it just absolutely opens 451 00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:53.160 doors. But we had to take all those small steps along the way. 452 00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:57.119 You know, I was proud to be the first woman in the country to 453 00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:02.920 oversee football men's basketball day to day operations thanks to said Dempsey who put me 454 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:06.279 in that position in the early nineties. And then you know, once some 455 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:11.839 of those little uh, positions and challenges started to fall for the women. 456 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:15.200 Uh, it's been great to see it grow and to finally, you know, 457 00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.759 come to a head and see not only does Arae but some other women. 458 00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:22.960 You know, Jennifer jan over at USC and uh, you know, 459 00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:27.480 Barbara Hedges was the first A D and packed twelve. I believe what she 460 00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:32.119 had been packed ten when she became the A D at Washington. Uh. 461 00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:36.799 You know, slow, slow growth, but you see the win changing. 462 00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:41.279 Were you the administrator in charge of basketball when they won in ninety seven? 463 00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.640 Sure so, cheer what so then again, let's go back there because you 464 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:48.480 know, who would have thought, who would have thought? Realistically? Uh, 465 00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:52.319 Arizona wins the title they're a four seed. Uh, not having a 466 00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:55.240 great season in the Pac twelve, but you know packed ten at the time. 467 00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:57.799 Uh. And then here they are playing the title game with Kentucky. 468 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:03.839 Yeah, had beating the number one seeds all the way up. How about 469 00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:07.279 that? Yeah, I'll tell you what though. You know, I love 470 00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:15.799 photography, and my nightmare was missing a shot with Now I'm drawing a blank 471 00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:21.519 to coach at Kentucky, Patino Patino, So I, you know, ran 472 00:31:21.640 --> 00:31:25.559 down on the court, we're celebrating, I'm taking photos, and then afterwards 473 00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:29.839 I come back down into the hallway and he's walking towards me and his head 474 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.039 is bowed and I just couldn't lift my camera. And I'm too sick to 475 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.680 the day that I didn't get that. Photos are respect, the respect for 476 00:31:36.799 --> 00:31:40.240 him or because Yeah, I think so. I think it is because I 477 00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:42.680 know how coaches feel when you know they work so hard and it doesn't come 478 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:45.640 to fruition, and you know they get that close and they don't win. 479 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:49.720 But it's just one of those photos I can see in my mind that I 480 00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:53.119 wish I had captured self estential, Where do you where do you keep these 481 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:57.480 photos? Do you have them? Oh? I've donated them all back to 482 00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:00.839 the UFA and this time went I you know, gave them all my negatives 483 00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:05.440 and stuff. So yeah, you know, some memories like after that, 484 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:09.480 we got invited to the White House for Yes, yeah, President Clinton and 485 00:32:10.319 --> 00:32:15.599 I went there and they only allowed the official White House photographer and myself to 486 00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:21.680 take images. So that was pretty special, was Matt and having the team 487 00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:24.559 have a private meeting with the president. That was that was pretty spectaculars So 488 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:30.039 because I have the photo and it's one in your champions think with when Loot's 489 00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:34.359 at the podium and and Clinton's to the side and Gors to the back right 490 00:32:34.799 --> 00:32:39.160 next to him, and and Loot looks actually more presidential. You could tell 491 00:32:39.200 --> 00:32:44.960 everybody when the President Clinton and and Lout walked into the East room, Oh 492 00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:46.960 my gosh, all eyes were on Loot. It was it was it was 493 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:53.200 a magical moment. Was that your photo or the press the the But I 494 00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:58.839 think that's my photo, Yeah, that's my photo. The the official White 495 00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:04.839 House photos were the ones that were kind of stage with the people looking forward, 496 00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:07.480 you know, I did not know that all up on the bleachers, 497 00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:13.200 and I think the one when Miles presented the Jersey to uh to President Clinton. 498 00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:16.319 Those were the official White House. I mean I got them too, 499 00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:20.400 but I think we in that presentation in the Hall of Champions, I think 500 00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:22.039 those are the official White House. That was a lot of fun. That 501 00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:28.119 was a lot on because I think Santra dal O'Connor took took the us. 502 00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:30.160 Yeah, so all the rest of the photos are mine up in that display. 503 00:33:30.279 --> 00:33:37.720 But yeah, we met the We took the team to meet Sandradale O'Connor. 504 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:42.920 We also, yeah, we uh Congressman Colby took us around. This 505 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:45.559 is the women's softball team too. You know. We later went to the 506 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:50.400 White House and met George Bush with the softball team twice actually, and uh, 507 00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.279 Congressman Colby toured the teams. We you know, put them on a 508 00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:57.839 bus. We went around to everything, to the Jefferson, the Lincoln Memorial. 509 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.279 Uh actually got to get right down on the Senate floor, and so 510 00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:06.839 it was. It was quite an educational trip along with just a celebration for 511 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:08.840 nice Rocky. Real quickly, before we wrap up here, I just wanted 512 00:34:08.880 --> 00:34:13.639 to ask you with the Obviously, the TV contracts were a big reason that 513 00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:17.519 the PAC twelve dissolved. But now that We're entering this new era of really 514 00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:22.519 college athletics finances when it comes to TV contracts and il everything like that, 515 00:34:22.920 --> 00:34:25.719 and the popularity of women's sports is growing with it. How much of responsibility 516 00:34:25.880 --> 00:34:30.480 do these conferences themselves, who own the TV contracts now have to continue to 517 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:34.760 prop up women's sports and continue this a word Steve hates, but I love 518 00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:39.800 momentum moving forward. Oh wow, that's just a huge question. And you 519 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:43.440 know, time will tell what's going to happen down the road. I mean, 520 00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.400 yeah, they have an obligation, you know, federally through Title nine 521 00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:52.280 first of all, so but just morally also right, And it's not just 522 00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.920 the women's sports, it's the Olympic sports. It's our men's non revenue sports 523 00:34:54.960 --> 00:35:00.159 that I worry about even more than the women's. At this point, more 524 00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:02.480 and more money gets fed in and football more and more. The talk of 525 00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:07.159 football peeling off into their own power conference, which, to be honest with 526 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:08.559 you, I am for that, and I can get into that with you 527 00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:12.880 if we have time. But I'm for that. And then let the Olympic 528 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:17.239 sports have their own separate regional conferences. I think I really believe that's the 529 00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:22.280 direction we should go in and they likely could go into that one last question. 530 00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:27.599 So you must be very pleased that you're taking photos all over the world 531 00:35:27.679 --> 00:35:30.519 and the wilderness great photos. In fact, if you ever need to see 532 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:36.400 her stuff, she's got the displayed. But very very pleased that you're no 533 00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:40.039 longer an ad given the NIL and the craziness that we're going to start to 534 00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:45.440 have to go through. Oh my gosh. I just said that the other 535 00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:47.960 day. I said, you know, because when I was acting AD at 536 00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:53.880 the university for several months and I really contemplated going for it, and I 537 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:57.599 thought, no, no, And now when I think back, I think, 538 00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:00.519 oh my gosh, it was a heck of a lot easier back then 539 00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:05.239 and it is now now it's just a nightmare. So all my kudos to 540 00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:08.079 Desiree and all the ads out there because they have one tough job, and 541 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:10.639 not just them, the coaches. I don't know how the coaches are going 542 00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:15.400 to deal with this, honestly, you know, with NIL and transfer portal 543 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:20.239 and you know, and now we're going to pay athletes if this house settlement 544 00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:22.920 goes through, which I think is great, but it's just how are we 545 00:36:22.960 --> 00:36:25.719 going to do that? I mean, I just don't know where the money 546 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:30.159 is going to come from. Unbelievable. That's the that's the stickler, because 547 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:34.800 twenty million from schools that don't have the money, right, but don't have 548 00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.000 the money that are already in debt. Yes, yes, now where is 549 00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:39.639 that going to come from? And sometime we're going to have donor fatigue and 550 00:36:39.760 --> 00:36:45.360 they're giving to the nil And then now the talk is we'll bring the nils 551 00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:47.440 within the department, so they'll have to manage that, which means you hire 552 00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:52.400 have to hire more people. Oh my goodness. I honestly don't know how 553 00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:55.159 we can survive. And in some ways I hope it kind of all falls 554 00:36:55.199 --> 00:37:00.599 apart and we still start over again. That's that's a good talk Ageally think 555 00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:02.239 it through, you know, a little bit, good possibility. I I 556 00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:07.320 have, things have been coming at us so fast that it's just it's been 557 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:10.840 hard for them to really, you know, contemplate, right how we really 558 00:37:10.880 --> 00:37:14.840 should move forward? Right right? Well, Rocky, thanks again for joining 559 00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:17.440 me. Thank you appreciate it, thank you. Yeah, be well, 560 00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:22.039 thank you see you soon. Rocky Loose, former u of a administrator for 561 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.639 a long time, a former athlete as well. I'll just take a break, 562 00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:28.880 we're way over and then we'll come back and kind of digest some of 563 00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:30.639 it. 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I'm not Ryan, I'm that 598 00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.440 both of you guys. Well, Ken, you guys have money in your 599 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.960 pockets. You gears are loyal to the UBA for years. You've been giving 600 00:40:05.119 --> 00:40:07.400 money. Does a booster? Now you see that the school's going to have 601 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:13.519 to pay them twenty million to various athletes throughout the whole school. Do you 602 00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.679 still dig deep? That's the question? Right it? Does donor fatigue come 603 00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:22.159 into play when it comes to athletes being considered workers instead of students, or 604 00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:29.360 instead of scholarship athletes, or instead of what the traditional definition of amateurism within 605 00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:34.039 the NCAA is, Because as you mentioned, this pool of money. Now 606 00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:38.679 under this new agreement with the NCUBLEA that came down from a legal decision in 607 00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:44.760 New York just this last week, actually, it creates about a twenty two 608 00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:50.360 million dollar pool for schools to both revenue share and pay their athletes on a 609 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:54.480 yearly basis. And now, does that only go towards the revenue generating sports, 610 00:40:54.559 --> 00:40:59.800 because at most schools, the only revenue generating sports are football, best 611 00:41:00.039 --> 00:41:04.639 men's basketball. Women's basketball at a lot of schools makes a profit margin, 612 00:41:04.679 --> 00:41:07.239 but not a very big one at a very few schools. Volleyball makes a 613 00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:12.880 profit margin at almost no schools. Baseball and softball make any profit margin. 614 00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:15.159 In fact, they are one of the most in the red because of the 615 00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:19.159 travel schedule, because of the weekends on the road, and because of the 616 00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:22.280 equipment costs that come with baseball and softball. So, I mean, when 617 00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:27.119 you look at the entire pie, and not just the football part of it, 618 00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.320 and not just the media rights deals and revenue sharing, it's a very 619 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:35.800 complicated discussion. So Stephanie who's on the swim team, Margaret who's on the 620 00:41:35.880 --> 00:41:38.480 softball team, are saying, Hey, I work as hard as a football 621 00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:42.440 players. I work as hard as a basketball players, right, what about 622 00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.320 me? And I think a lot of schools have good things in place already 623 00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:49.599 preparing for this, bracing for this to where they do give all of their 624 00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.599 athletes a cost of attendance stipend, which does get the base side out. 625 00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:57.800 It depends on the school and it depends on the agreement with that that some 626 00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:01.199 schools actually have worked that into an you know, I'm from Nebraska, I 627 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:04.639 grew up in Lincoln. I went to the University of Nebraska. And what 628 00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:08.119 the football roster, what the football team does with nil there is they give 629 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:14.360 everybody on their roster a baseline nil that has you know, a certain amount 630 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.199 of the contribution from the collective, every single person from the very last walk 631 00:42:17.239 --> 00:42:21.360 on on the roster to the starting quarterback who's you know, making a lot 632 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:23.679 of money. It's the same baseline. And then every and then people get 633 00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:29.039 different things based on their individual endorsements, but also their you know, their 634 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.199 money from the collectives and how much they're getting paid. And that'll continue with 635 00:42:31.360 --> 00:42:35.880 the extra twenty two million. That's the question, right, Doude. Does 636 00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:40.360 the do the boosters and do the collectives continue to give the same amount and 637 00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:45.599 continue to give at the same level when the schools are paying these athletes. 638 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:47.920 Because the way this structure is set up, with the twenty two million that 639 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:52.480 will be shared among all the athletes on campus, or that's supposed to be 640 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:54.760 shared and among all the athletes on campus and not just the football players, 641 00:42:55.280 --> 00:43:01.119 is that will be the contribution. But the collectives will also continue to exist 642 00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:10.400 outside of the university's realm because the university's technically I put a very big emphasis 643 00:43:10.480 --> 00:43:15.400 on technically here because it's a very gray area. But the university is technically, 644 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.320 in a legal sense and an attack sense, have no control over the 645 00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:22.400 collectives. So the collectives will still continue to exist outside of this university revenue 646 00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.000 sharing. And see if you mentioned it at the top of this block, 647 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:30.239 how much does that just donor fatigue kind of whittle that away from the collectives. 648 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:34.239 Sure, and a lot of the donors are doing it because they love 649 00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.679 the school, they love the purpose of the school, and they have some 650 00:43:37.800 --> 00:43:43.199 loyalty to it and they want to see the kids succeed and have some money. 651 00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.159 But now that it's been taken care of somewhere else, well, I 652 00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:51.400 know what I would do. I definitely know what I would do. Good 653 00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:53.400 luck, and I'm going to be cheering for you. But Steve, but 654 00:43:53.960 --> 00:44:00.440 you have a very good mindset about the donors. The donor's mindset being altruistic, 655 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:04.280 wanting to help the athletes, everything like that. But what's the other 656 00:44:04.400 --> 00:44:07.599 factor on the other side of this. Donors and alums that are very involved 657 00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:13.360 with these programs are fiercely competitive. Sure, so they pay to beat the 658 00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:16.760 other school. So if it's Arizona versus ASU, donor in Tucson wants to 659 00:44:16.800 --> 00:44:22.000 spend more than donor in Tempe, sure, sure depends. Okay, no 660 00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:24.599 question, I don't disagree with you. But let's assume for a second that 661 00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:30.159 you're not competing as much as you should basketball. Right, I pay for 662 00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:35.239 this, right, and I got this, And then it starts to be 663 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:38.440 diminishing returns. Are these athletes not living up to the money that I'm paying 664 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:42.079 And we're starting to see that a little bit too. But sure, that's 665 00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:45.840 been kind of prevalent through the advent at social media too, with people having 666 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:49.880 unparalleled access to athletes and saying, well, I pay the university this much, 667 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.400 I pay for my seats and you're not performing. We want this coach 668 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:54.599 fire. We want this player to play better. And you see and you 669 00:44:54.679 --> 00:45:00.320 see people jumping ship from their tickets exactly and not returning. But that's on 670 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:05.079 them. You know, football will see because to go to a new conference 671 00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:07.840 a lot of people. You know that, you know you were here long 672 00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:10.239 enough to see the football program where where there's a lot of apathy here, 673 00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:16.159 but it's gaining more interest because they're winning or gonna win. Maybe here is 674 00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:20.039 a fickle town. I've written the story a thousand times for the paper. 675 00:45:20.960 --> 00:45:22.920 It's a fick ole place, and it's a walk up place. And if 676 00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:25.880 you're good, they'll come. If you're not so good, I'll watch all 677 00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.519 right, and they'll prove it to me. But if they prove it again, 678 00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:31.119 I mean, we saw it in that four game winning straight over ranked 679 00:45:31.159 --> 00:45:35.239 opponents at the end of twenty twenty three and that seven game win straight to 680 00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:37.119 the end of the season. People care. Then how did you say, 681 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:40.360 if they win again? If they win again, and what's that key word? 682 00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:45.800 There are no guarantees. If they don't win, you're back to where 683 00:45:45.840 --> 00:45:49.119 you were before. So, of course, in two sons specifically, and 684 00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:52.000 I'm sure every college town, winning solves a lot of problems or issues, 685 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.239 and one of them is ticket sales. But it'll never be a ghost town 686 00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:59.760 inside Arizona Stadium, even if even in the tough times, what would you 687 00:45:59.800 --> 00:46:01.960 be considering a ghost less than ten thousand. Oh yeah, no, it'll 688 00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:06.840 never It'll never be that because I mean we've seen universities even on the West 689 00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:09.960 coast here. Yeah, you know, Stanford and UCLA are jokes a lot 690 00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:14.000 of times, no tendence. I think though, that the Mendoza line here 691 00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:17.719 would be about forty thousand, thirty eight thousand. Yeah, that's typically if 692 00:46:17.800 --> 00:46:22.960 you know, a non non good team it comes into town. But if 693 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:24.559 they're winning, yeah we'll show up. Yeah, you go, and it's 694 00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:27.960 something to do, and it's something great and you want to support your team. 695 00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:30.000 But at the same time, there will never be a there will never 696 00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:34.960 be just a complete brush it off to the side where nobody's showing up. 697 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.920 No, I mean even someone era, people showed up. People showed up 698 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:39.960 and then they had the COVID year and yeah yeah, So no, I 699 00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:44.159 don't disagree with you with that because that's that's not gonna happen, right, 700 00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:45.760 So we'll see. Good luck with the boosters. I mean, you have 701 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:49.800 the money, that's your money, spending spending how you want to? Right, 702 00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.320 how are you spending how you're spending your money? You're still giving the 703 00:46:52.639 --> 00:46:55.360 if the if you know your athletes are getting paid, I'm definitely spending it. 704 00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:59.239 There you go, see you're gonna give it to them? Oh yeah, 705 00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:02.119 yeah, really yeah, definitely they deserve it. I think, you 706 00:47:02.199 --> 00:47:06.599 know, I think he speaks for a lot more people than we probably think, 707 00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:08.679 because you know, Steve, you make the probably a really good hard 708 00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:14.480 line argument of a hardline stance of Okay, if they are getting their money 709 00:47:14.519 --> 00:47:17.079 somewhere else, why do I have any motivation to pay them or go overboard? 710 00:47:17.400 --> 00:47:21.239 But you know, I talked about the competitive nature of it, and 711 00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:25.360 when you see somebody across the road throwing money at this, even when there's 712 00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:29.400 already money there at the pot, so you're gonna throw money at your pot, 713 00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:31.719 and it's it turns into like just a I guess the question is how 714 00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:37.360 important is it to you and Ryan? I guess it's important to you to 715 00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:39.239 see that a U of A does better than ASU, that does better than 716 00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:43.480 Stanford, that is better than whomembers in the league, the better than Kansas. 717 00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:45.639 Well, yeah, absolutely. I mean, you want to see your 718 00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:52.760 hometown team do good, do better than their their rivals, especially like ASU. 719 00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.400 And I'm not too sure the money is the motivator though. To me, 720 00:47:55.519 --> 00:48:00.079 it's not are you playing for the money? Are you playing for the 721 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.639 pride of the U of A Well And I think there's a deeper level to 722 00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:07.639 this discussion too, when it comes to the layers of collectives and the layers 723 00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:13.199 of nil because it's not just hey, you're paying for Caleb Love to come 724 00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:17.400 back to school. It's Ada Barnes saying that, hey, we need NIL 725 00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:22.320 money to be competitive with the women's basketball program. Yeah. Kaitlin Lowe is 726 00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:25.320 saying, you know, we have great fans support, but these softball players 727 00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:30.000 need to have NL opportunities to sure, you know, Chip Hale baseball. 728 00:48:30.239 --> 00:48:32.639 These baseball players need to have NL opportunities. Football saying, okay, we 729 00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:37.079 need a little bit better defenders. It's not just no Fafiita and Tetero McMillan. 730 00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:39.920 How many we need more guys, five hundred and fifty student athletes, 731 00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:45.800 five hundred and five hundred and fifty mouths to feed, right, to make 732 00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:50.039 everybody happy, and sometimes you're not making them happy, even if they're getting 733 00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.639 paid fairly. Well, Steve Ivia kind of pie into five hundred and fifty 734 00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:55.679 pieces because I never have no no. But let me tell you, I've 735 00:48:55.719 --> 00:48:59.400 had two kids. I've had two kids, and I don't envy people with 736 00:48:59.519 --> 00:49:04.119 ten kids. And Christmas comes and you know junior junior, junior, junior, 737 00:49:04.400 --> 00:49:08.079 George Foreman, junior jun Sorry, kids, guess what Christmas is gonna 738 00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:12.119 be a little tight this year. We're gonna get what we get and you 739 00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:15.519 better like it because or there's no trip to Disneyland. By the way, 740 00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:19.559 when does the well run dry with all of this? And that's the thing 741 00:49:19.599 --> 00:49:22.679 I think she I think Rocky kind of brought that up. It's gonna maybe 742 00:49:22.760 --> 00:49:25.920 eventually crash and then you'll have to kind of pick up the humpty dumpty pieces 743 00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:30.639 and put them back together afresh. It's so easy to look at the finances 744 00:49:30.679 --> 00:49:34.679 and say this will always be fine because the TV contracts are fine, because 745 00:49:34.760 --> 00:49:38.519 the these we have these multi billion dollar deals coming in from the television networks. 746 00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:43.679 But then we on the other side of that coin, we fail to 747 00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:50.039 realize the kind of uncertain direction of the broadcast medium, and how do these 748 00:49:50.079 --> 00:49:54.760 contracts come about when the TV networks themselves are currently wrestling within a battle of 749 00:49:55.400 --> 00:50:00.119 how do we balance linear and streaming and how do we get this transition and 750 00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:02.480 going, and how do we continue to monetize things that people are trying to 751 00:50:02.559 --> 00:50:07.039 find for free and then at some point maybe the money crashes from the TV 752 00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:09.559 contracts. So let me ask you, did you go to the baseball games? 753 00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:14.440 Okay, so you saw it in person. I know that you were 754 00:50:14.480 --> 00:50:19.719 on ESPN Plus here. I did not watch the game on Friday or Saturday. 755 00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:25.360 I just didn't things to do. But people were bitching about ESPN Plus. 756 00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:29.840 We'll have the best teams here and then the ESPN Plus. That's just 757 00:50:29.920 --> 00:50:31.519 the way it is, right And if you don't see him, you don't 758 00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:35.440 see them right, right, And that goes to your kind of your linear 759 00:50:36.199 --> 00:50:37.719 digital blah blah blah. And eventually it's all going to go to that. 760 00:50:37.760 --> 00:50:40.599 Eventually it's all going to go to especially in college baseball and college softball, 761 00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:45.239 because that's just the easiest platform for ESPN to put it all out there and 762 00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:49.360 not try and sandwich this on ESPNU or sandwich this on ESPN News. It's 763 00:50:49.440 --> 00:50:52.880 different than when we had maybe a cable boon back in the late two thousands 764 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:55.599 or even early twenty tens. It's gone a lot to ESPN Plus. And 765 00:50:55.719 --> 00:50:59.519 you know that's how I watched Saturday's game. I wasn't going out there one 766 00:50:59.559 --> 00:51:02.400 hundred and five your heat to watch Arizona and Dallas Baptist in an elimination game. 767 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:07.440 And Arizona certainly made my decision worthwhile with the way they played on Saturday. 768 00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:09.880 Sure, sure so, But so you didn't go there physically and on 769 00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:14.000 Sataturday? Right, And I'm sure a lot of people didn't, right, 770 00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:15.960 because they're already disappointed for the night before. Yeah, plus, I mean 771 00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:21.599 that afternoon versus the six GM sure, first past yeah two Sona's no know 772 00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:23.519 what it is if one o'clock in the afternoon, Okay, no, no 773 00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:29.239 good. Let's we're gonna go to Ryan here after the break for breaking news. 774 00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:30.400 There's a lot of things going on, I think, right, you 775 00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:32.400 have a few things, at least, there's a lot of a lot of 776 00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:37.159 big news, big news, Okay, And uh, then we have at 777 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:42.920 four fifteen for seventeen, we have Hod Rubino from Tempe to talk about Ashue 778 00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:46.320 stuff, the kind of related to Arizona basketball. Everything is sort of in 779 00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:50.639 lockstep a little bit when it comes to Arizona and as they're going to this 780 00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.199 new conference together and do you follow do you follow the I'm sure you do. 781 00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:57.960 We got to go. But just the Internet, the rivalry and the 782 00:51:58.039 --> 00:52:01.199 hatred and the you suck. We saw tah blah blah blah and uh and 783 00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:07.519 now it's the basketball. But now it's like it's got a little bit crazier. 784 00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:09.280 You know, it just has to become crazier. Let's take a radio 785 00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:13.920 and I don't even know what words to use it without cussing, So let's 786 00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:14.480 go the break