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your ghost host Scott and Julie. Hello, everyone, Welcome to the
Paranormal Project. Good afternoon, Julie. How are you? Oh good Scott?
How are you? The sun is shining at least to your house?
No shining here, it's We've Got'm getting my fifteen minutes here while I'm on
the while I'm on the show. So welcome New England. You know we
are the Paranormal Project. Our guest today is the least paranormal person I know.
However, she is one of the coolest psychic mediums I've had the pleasure
of working with Julie. She owns the Montclair Psychic School. I was fortunate
enough to be able to study with her, and she's got a fantastic story
and a fantastic school. And you remember we had Leah I'm Liam on the
show a while back. Psychic medium Leam Galvin, who I got to know
through Lee, and he studied with her as well, so I knew she'd
be a great way to close out the season. And those of you,
if you weren't listening last week or you don't know, this is our last
live show of the year. Our new season begins in September. Julie and
I are taking the summer off. She's going to be cruising Alaska and doing
all kinds of fun things, and I'll be in Boston. But anyway,
that travel to Boston, Scott. It's a lovely place right there. They
do, they do anyway. I would really love to welcome my guest,
our guest, Lee van Ziel to the show. Hi Lee, how are
you? And Hi Julie, Hi Scott. Thanks for having me. It
is so nice to have you. Lee. Can you tell everyone good to
see you you too. Can you tell everyone how did this happen for you?
Because you, I know you and I have talked a bit about you.
You're from South Africa, and yeah, I'm from South Africa. I
immigrated and I was a lawyer, actually very very unspiritual. I was a
mob lawyer, so I was everything you hate about lawyers. I embraced everything.
And then what happened with me my daughter as soon as she started speaking.
It around two years old. She started speaking, and she started speaking
to unseen people. She called them her spookies. And it was like really
unnerving. She was having this full on conversation. There was a lot of
them. She would draw pictures of them. She's very artistic, and it
really scared the hell out of the Actually all of us were literally terrified,
and I didn't know what to do with her. And then we moved.
We actually were in Massachusetts and I actually we bought a place in the woods
in Douglas. You probably familiar with it all closer to Providence, brand new
house, brand spanking news. So I said to the family, well,
look, once we move, it'll probably be the end of Jordan's spookies.
And the first day we moved into this house, we had this long drive
where I was stay excited with a sidewalk chalk for the kid. Put her
out there and she starts drawing what looked like Casper the friendly Ghosts. So
I'm like, Jordan, like, what are you drawing? She says,
oh, it's the spookies. So I said, but theyth stayed at the
apartment right now we all moved together, so I had to you're with this
child. I didn't know what to do, you know, and this was
an ongoing thing, but she became the odd kid. So when we moved
to New Jersey, she was due to start school and she was really having
problems with kids her own age because she was speaking to her friends but also
the friends that no one else could see, and she started to be bullied.
And I found her a place hearing New Jersey that had a children's group.
They would teach them shamanism psychic development, and she absolutely loved it.
And while I was waiting for our take on a Saturday, while I was
waiting for I saw this random ad advanced mediumship class with an Australian medium and
it just caught my eyes. So I thought, well, I'm not advanced.
I'm not even a medium. And I spoke to the woman. I
said, do you think I could take the class? And she said yes,
And I took that class. It was a three day class and it
was oh my god. I could not believe that the information I brought through
people could recognize. But my teacher, it was one of those old timers.
You know, there was no new ag woo woo stuff. It was.
She never mentioned a word about the chakras or anything. Is just speak
to them, I have this conversation. So it was more of a non
woo woo kind of a mediumship class. So I was really surprised by this.
And she then called me a week later from Australia and said, oh,
I've arranged for you to start running a circle at this place. I'm
like, what, you know, all I did was a random class.
Something inside me, just this overwhelming draw, you know, do this,
do this. And I started sitting with all these mediums and the next thing
people were asking me to teach. I started teaching in New York, New
Jersey. The place closed down. All I wanted was a spirit circle,
just to location, to sit once a week with some mediums, and it
just seemed to naturally evolve into a school. The jestic expandard, you know.
And then I started to really explore spirituality and I became a heal and
I really started to just develop this absolute passion for spirit communication. And my
guides told me, we're going to support you on this journey, but you
can develop people quickly. Do not drip people off, and we'll support you.
But I know that people, all of us are capable of being mediums.
We all have this natural ability to speak to the spirit wall So that's
what I'm about. I absolutely love holding people's hands, taking them on the
journey and just watching their medium should flourish, you know, And to be
able to just share this gift for everyone. I enjoy seeing that. I
enjoy the former students doing really well becoming teachers in their own rights. So
this is my passion. I found my life purpose and I'm no longer a
lawyer. Have you ever thought of adding to your class list how to teach
this? Because you know, the more readings I do, the more people
I have reaching out to me saying what do I do? I don't know,
something's going on with me. And what I usually tell them is,
here's Lee's address, her email address, and here's her phone number, and
you should call her because that's what you do. But it would really be
wonderful to have a group of people. I'm not saying we're all going to
open up schools, but it would be nice to be able to know what
to say to someone and how to help someone control some of these gifts that
they have. Is that something you do or have you thought of that?
Sometimes? You know, with the physical location. When I have some students
who are sitting with me and that just show this potential, you know,
I will have them start teaching with me. You can't obviously, you know,
to teach you have to understand this, right, So the way I
teach nowadays, I started teaching before I had any business teaching, but I
was blessed to have a team of teaching guides. We really knew how to
open up stuff with a spiritle. It's like I was teaching and working as
a medium, but I had to play catch up to everything that was going
on, you know, in my school and in the circle. So I
had to play catch up. So I had a limited knowledge, but I
just had these guides. But you know, at this point in time,
after many years, I've been doing this for seventeen years, I have I
really understand mediumship now and I feel it's something very natural. I don't feel
like we need to add all this rubus stuff, rules, rules, rules
about things. You know. I feel we can be flexible with a spirit.
But if you have an understanding of it, it's about sharing the journey,
sharing the technique. So I'm happy to teach people how to teach.
But to teach people, we've got to have people to teach, right,
Yeah, that's what It's true. And the biggest, you know, the
biggest thing you know that I think confounded me the most on my mediumship journey.
I wish teachers hadn't held information back. I believe in sharing knowledge,
share everything you know, because I don't like a teaching teachings where the whole
little key bits of information back. So you can take another class, give
people all the information, teach them. When you say, Scott, you
know this conversation with the spirit wall, speak to them, people would say,
and it's like, how how do you speak to them? No one
would ever tell me that, you know, So with time, you know,
eventually, oh you just talk to them. These are a list of
questions you can start working with, develop that communication and then you go.
So, you know, I feel, firstly become a medium, really understand
it, and then you can teach. But I feel people if they start
their mediumship, let's say, with the basic foundational course, and they start
the uncircle, whether it's at home or in a location, you can actually
lead a group, because that's what I did. While you are developing together
as a group, you can develop your mediumship and that will naturally unfold all
your teaching skills as well. Yea, and that makes sense. Does your
daughter work with you? No, she wants to have nothing to do with
it. You'll tell you a story about that. My daughter is a very
very gift dead intuitever psychic, but does not want to have anything to do
with that. But I truly believe she uses her a gift in her job.
She is a clinical social work girl me with mental illness, and she's
so very good at it, and I really think that she uses that without
knowing. She uses that to get through to her clients. Absolutely. My
son's also a medium. He's a state trooper year in New Jersey, and
he's very good at it. He's actually really good with spirit rescue work,
you know, going into haunted houses and that excellent at that. But none
of them have ever wanted to do this. You know, I've really got
to twist his arm and pay him a lot of money to work with me,
otherwise they won't. But you know, like Julie, you and I
have talked about this right, Well, he'll be back. We'll give him
a moment. I'm not there, can you hear me? Okay? Now,
I didn't even realize I was gone. I think I had an NDE
and nobody told me. No. You know, Julie and I have talked
about this because really has always said I'm a psychic gem path, and I
thought, well, what the heck is that? But I really think,
you know, and you know, this push comes to shove, you do
it. You can do it, do you know what I mean? I
did take a full day call, I did take training, and I was
very very good at it. At the end of the day, I was
reading a woman who I mean, she had said to me she's never had
a reading like that before, she was in tears. It just came very
naturally to me. But it's not my path. I really love doing paranormal
investigating. Yeah, I do use my gift while I'm investigating to get a
feel for what's going on, but it's I just don't feel that it is
my path to do that. You know, we all have a different path,
Like absolutely, yeah, I understand you don't do investigating. No,
I don't investigating because I feel if I need to go into someone's location.
They already know they haunted. So I'm going there to clear it out,
okay, And I'm looking for the evidence, and I want to speak to
the spirit. I want to go in there and speak to spirit and say
look at what I have, look you have. No. No, I'm
not interested in the gadgets because they really know they've gotten trouble. Okay,
And I go in for the direct communication with them and slits cross them over,
so for the energetic clearing. Right. So I'd love to ask you
a question on that note, League, because and this is something Julie and
I we deal with them. We go on investigations. We were at a
place in Ohio and I walk in and I'm oblivious to it. I don't
feel the things like she does. She feels the stuff, and she says,
I don't think you should go in there. I don't. I don't
think we should be in there. There's something I'm doing there and I'm walking
in like Mickey the Dunns. Well, here we go. It is completely
oblivious because I and I don't know if it's because I'm shut off in those
situations or if it's just that's just not how it is for me. I'm
very sensitive to energy, and I physically feel energy. That's the empathic part
of it. If it is a negative energy, I can tell you if
it is human negativity, which you know what, Listen, some people are
turds in life, they're turds in death too, Or if it is non
human, I can tell you right off if it's non human, because I
get physically sick from non human It attacks my spine and goes into my stomach,
which is something that you know, we find happens a lot with a
demonologist. Not that I have never studied teology. Again, that's not something
I'm interested in. But I can feel if it is safe for the team
to work in that environment. Well, you know, as far as going
into locations, I'm very strict with my my boundaries, my protections. So
when I'm not doing any spiritual work, I'm so so shut tight, you
know. So I can walk into a room and not connect to anything.
But it's once I open up, you know that I will then discern.
But I'm very picky with a kind of rescue work that I do nowadays.
I will work with earthbound spirits, I will work with a dark force entity,
but not demonic. I've had a run in you know that, I
do not want experience. I've got any limits. I've got a limit to
what I will work with, and you need to be trained in that,
honestly, you know, it's just definitely years and years of training. I
ran into the demonic once and stepped back said, no, I don't know
that what I'm doing. I have no training in this, and we need
to fill someone who yeah. Yes. When I started my mediumship, she
also opened me up to rescue mediumship. I had my first experience with a
suicide with not crossed over, so I had a parallel mediumship career. Ever,
then she mediumship but also spirit rescue mediumship. And it's very difficult to
maintain that kind of balance because the ones a very high vibration, the rescue
mediumships the lower vibration. It's very difficult to deal with that, you know.
But I do know that you have to know your limits. You have
to know when to walk out. Absolutely some of these things. It's got
to be done, you know, under God, with the priest, some
exorcists, who's like really those people who work with that kind of energy,
that's their specialty. That's all they do, that's all they do, So
you've got to be very careful, very absolutely. Yeah, and I saw.
I don't know if it was yesterday or over the weekend. This is
something Julie and I have always said we wanted to do. Was the table
tipping? Oh yes, you did that at your Was that at yours?
What you know at the school? Oh yeah, we do it all the
time, all the time. How was that compared to say a wegi board?
Good question, Um, sometimes it is, Well, it's wegi board
and table tipping, or actually both forms of physical mediumship. Physical mediumships the
physical manifestation of spirit. Um. So if I were to open up a
wegi session, I would I do a series of tests to see what kind
of energy I have? Do I know this person really? Like if it
says it's my dad, well I'm going to ask a few questions and see
if I can get clarification or proof that it is in fact my father.
So it should be able to easily spell the energy. Usually when you've got
something negative on Auigi board, you can usually sense it pretty quickly in that
there'll be a lot of cursing, there'll be a that'll move the letters or
the numbers away or something might go flying. Generally, I find working with
auigis as much prayers and protection that you put in place. I've found that
we are more apt to get something negative coming in on a Wuigi board.
That's in my experience. Yeah, the table tipping, what we do is
usually part of our trans mediumship circle, so we are working with the guides,
which is a very very high vibration. We also work with the loved
ones on the table as well, but we can communicate so they can spell,
for example, or give us answers as to this is a father,
and they can spell stuffs. We can constantly question it and get answers,
you know. So we use it for the trans mediumship guides as well as
loved ones. So we don't really use it for psychic information though, while
I get this job a little bit different, you know. But I I've
actually had table tipping circles where I've had one or two people that you know,
I see they become very uncomfortable in the circle. These have been when
we were doing them publicly. I don't do them publicly anymore, and they
start sweating and they have to leave, And I always know that's a sign
that there's something with their energy that's not conducive to the high energy of what
we are working with. So if I do sense anyone at the table and
something feels negative to me, I shut it down immediately. There's no questions
ask, even if it's like five minutes. But for the most part,
I would say I've very very rarely sense or have any negative experiences with the
table. For the most part, when we're working with the guides and the
table, you know they are doing healing. They will go to you for
healing purposes. The table will go against you and infuse healing energy into you.
But when we work with the guides, you know, it's a different
kind of energy. It's very very gentle, and it's very controlled movement,
very very controlled. I've had one experience where someone unbeknown to me was working
with ET energy and the table went crazy. It was really bad. It
was just going crazy. It was almost violent kind of energy, and we
canceled that one immediately. So but I like I say, you know,
it's very very rare that on the table I feel anything And by ET you
mean extraterrestrial. Yeah, that's just going to say, can you expand on
that a little bit. I mean, that's very interesting. Yeah, I'm
working with extraterrestrial beings, you know, from I don't really do that at
all, Okay, I don't really enjoy the energy too much. Um so
we've had a few a really negative experience of that kind of energy. So
I like guides, I like dead people, and that's about I'm vanilla.
I guess here. I am curious though, and I don't know if you
can answer this, but if someone were to connect with an extraterrestrial energy,
is it a deceased extraterrestrial or you do you think you're you're communicating telepathically with
extraterrestrials that are wherever they are now. I believe it will be telepathic indication.
Wow, I find that fascinating. I've never even heard of that before.
Yeah, I know, I know. It's very interesting. Although if
you're if you watch Skinwalker Ranch, I honestly really questioned a lot and I
have been watching what's been happening on Skinwalker Ranch, and it's amazing. It
really is the different you know, different energies and opening different pathways and then
out of our world is just what they think that they're finding. It's just
crazy. Yeah, you know, I'm not too sure. I guess,
you know. Honestly, I haven't gone in and done any in depth study
on working with these kinds of energies. For the most part, where I've
worked with it has actually been in the field of spirit rescue work, where
people have picked up problems, you know, where they got this intrusive energy
with them and they're not going anywhere because they don't believe in Earth's rebels.
So I haven't had very positive experiences with it. I've had no desire to
channel them or anything like that. So I wonder, I said, I'm
Vanilla, I'm wondering if these people are experiencers and so that's why they have
that communication or able to have their communication. I don't know, you know,
I think one's got to be careful nowadays, you know, everything like
on TikTok and everywhere, everyone's getting all their education on the internet, right
without any understanding of what's going on. They're inviting these beings in and the
beings are going, oh, well, you're part of a select group.
We are going to share the special sacred information for you. And then they
pick up problems, you know, in their lives. Energetically, because the
way they get the in with people who are untrained and don't understand this is
through the ego you are special. We are working with you. No one
ever things like I'm Josh Schmo from Jersey, Aaron Clifton your Jersey. I
hold you want to give all this information exactly exactly, and I opened a
door to something, so I feel, you know, I don't need to
do that. So people I think, you know, I would like them
to be a little bit more careful with this kind of stuff. Yeah.
I think nowadays, you know, everyone's about oh, you know this is
amazing, you know, so it's the shock factor too for a lot of
people. Yeah. Yeah, I think with all of this stuff, you
know, we don't want to do all this work from a vibration. Yeah,
but you need to use your common sense as well, right, So
sometimes common sense is missing them. I was just going to say sometimes it's
lackingly. We know this for a fact. You know, when you do
this kind of work, whether it be mediumship or whatever, it's okay to
question things. Questioning is healthy, you know, you can's just accept everything
blindly, even with spirit communication like Scott, like you and I do right.
I mean you've got to provide evidence conscious. Oh, I've got your
grandmother over, Yeah, this is what she says. Why how do I
hurt your grandmother? You know? So it's health questioning things is very healthy.
You know. I've had that in a reading too. Okay, you
know it starts out kind of general and then you get a little more specific.
Is i've got a man here, Oh my god, that's my husband?
Okay, well, no, a man could be any man. You
know, you don't know, but thanks for letting me know that your husband
died. Now that's it, you know, yeah, it's it's it's it's
funny. Do you have any suggestions when doing table tipping how to properly close
out? Is there is there a way to properly close it out? Like
when you shut it down? You say, oh, I shut it down
right away with us? Firstly, thy great time keepers. So our team
know that we will do table tipping from nine pm to nine thirty. When
that clock hits nine thirty, even though we might not be looking at it.
It's almost as if someone has gotten a chainsaw and cut the legs of
the table off, because it just stops. So they keep time and they
obey rules, but whenever. You know, the thing is that can take
a bit of time to build up the energy on the table. The first
group I started, we sat for six weeks every week just with our hands
on the table, building the energy before we even got movement. The key
is to have a group that is harmonious, with harmonious compatible energy, very
very positive. If you have people who are fearful paranoid on the negative side,
give them the boots. You don't want to be sitting with people like
that because it's the group energy that will provide the energy to the spirit world
to move the table. I don't do a lot, you know, I
do. I do our prayer, We ask for the guides to be present.
We're only working with the highest vibrations, so I'm not too concerned.
And when we're at the end, usually they will end it for us.
You know, the table will stop and well, what happened last night?
I must be lying thirty yeah, okay, thank you spirit, bye bye.
We give the table a kiss, and that's that we've done. That's
it. Thanks. Fascinating now, you know when when when I studied with
you, we touched to scratch the surface on trance a little bit. I
don't think that I ever. I don't think I had enough of it to
really kind of yeah, yeah, you know, get into it. But
I find that fascinating too. Do you do you have any or is it
the same thing in terms of who you're allowing it or is there is there
some fear element to that allowing them to come through. I think actually with
the course of actually having them do trance almost from the start now in that
course that you did, because I find it it really helps you evidentially mediumship.
This thing of when we say trance mediumship, you know, there's a
misunderstanding about what it is because when you say I'm allowing spirit to come and
speak through me, and there can be change, overshadowment, possibly voice change
coming in, people automatically think of possession, right, and this creates fear.
I know that created fear in me when I first started to develop its
oh my god, I'm going to be possessed now. But actually, you
know, with understanding, you're bringing spirit very close and there's a blending of
the minds. They infuse their thoughts in the medium's mind. So the development
problem is like this is the medium their minds. Always to the foreground,
always to the foreground. Right, So spirit, spirits going to come in.
Let mess you God, I can't do it. This is this is
the this is the medium. No, that's the medium. Spirits. Spirits
got to move forward so that there's more of spirit and less of the medium's
mind, and they will kind of. It allows the blending of the minds
and allowing the medium to speak the thoughts of spirit. You can do direct
mediumship where you can bring through your own loved one, but theoretically, you
know, that should be just a direct conversation where. It's interesting though,
I don't they any trans mediums who actually do direct communication readings. I wonder
why is that? It is interesting? They just bring through guides all the
time, just bring through guides. Oh, they speak to the guide.
It's in other words, you have another middle person. They incline to do
more, you know when they do the trans demonstrations to allow the guides to
speak through them. Right, And make no mistake, we do that in
the circle as well. And the messages that come through trans mediumship are just
beautiful. They are healing, they provoke thought, they are inspirational. We
learn so much about spirit, about people, about everything. There's no topic
of limits when it comes to the guides. So if we can allow the
guides to speak through us. If I was sitting with you, Julie,
and I'm a transmedium, then surely I could bring your mother through directly correct.
Yes, she wouldn't need to really provide evidence, as it would be
like, Julie, I'm your mom, and just have a conversation with you
in such a personal way that you will be able to respond like a live
conversation. So it's interesting that for the most starting trans mediumship mediums are not
offering the direct communication reading, putting a lot of focus into the training of
that I do them, you know, with people I might trust just to
practice this, but I'm not ready to put it out there. But also,
you know, I feel the public are also not educated enough to maybe
to receive that kind of reading. But I feel it's a powerful form of
mediumship, if only just for us when we sit down and develop it,
to be able to experience that energy and to receive those messages for ourselves,
right, But also working with the trans mediumship really enhances your connection to spirit
in your mental mediumship. So as a medium, I feel it's like really
a great thing if you are able to sit for trance as well, maybe
not do trans mediumship you know in your professional capacity, but is something that
really aided you in your own mediumship the closeness of spirit? I feel it
really enhances that. Do you. And I'm gonna tell you why I am
asking this, but do you think that when you're in that spot you feel?
When I when I before I do a reading and I sit and I'm
preparing for reading, I always ask them to come behind me, stand behind
me, and then share the space with me. I don't ask them to
get inside me, but share the space with me. And I can tell
whether it's a man or a woman, if they're older, if they're younger.
I can almost even tell if their legs are heavy, if they were
kind of shoes they were. It's kind of a weird thing. And I
don't believe that's trance. I don't believe that I'm in that trance movie.
You know. I don't take on their voice. I don't. Nothing changes.
It's just I'm able to understand who they are because they're nice clothes.
So that would be more mental mediumship. Right way you probably experienced trance,
and it's a spontaneous trance when you've got this link to someone and suddenly you
start to switch over into the first person. That's the power of trance.
But I think mental mediums can get into that trance state during a reading spontaneously.
And would they know it? You know I've happen. You know,
Scott, you know that, you know you would well, you would know
if you slipped into it. I mean the first time it happened to me,
I was doing a reading for someone who had lost her son to suicide.
I was just giving evidence like I usually would, and suddenly he was
just speaking in the first person, my voice in the first person, speaking
to his moment. She was answering, and they were having a conversation and
didn't last for long, but it was enough to know, oh my god,
this is something else. That's the trance state. So that can slip
in through through mental mediumship with me without having taken one day of trans training.
Right, They're just able to come in and you allow that process.
I know I've had people say to me, wow, the way you said
that, that that's that facial expression you or that where you laughed, or
that you know, but I didn't. Never. I never felt like I
slipped into a first person mannerisms or the words. It's spontaneous and go in
and art very quickly. So I feel you know that you've probably experienced spontaneous
trance in your readings, but it's probably been so quick that you don't.
But that's okay, because in that moment in time, that's very powerful.
It's very powerful. I don't look upon my trance mediumship development as something that
I necessarily want to put out to the public and charge them for right do
it for me, and I just do it because I just love being that
energy in the presence of those guides. Do you do that just in person
or do you have a transclassor you I do it in person. I was
doing it online. I'll probably start up an online one later this year.
I'll probably do a series, you know, just a weekly thing get on
Zoom where we can get people into trance. I definitely do want to do
that, but it was silly not to make the opportunity of being able to
sit in person again of another We can leave me a couple of questions.
I just wanted to put here an time, says Lee. Everyone Lie said
everyone has the ability to be a medium. How to identify it and any
suggestions I'm developing the abilities or how would someone know necessarily? Okay, so
you would if you are able to possibly hear voices, hear things, that
would be your clear audience. That's got to be a dead person speaking to
you, because to hear something, someone's got to speak. So maybe you
do hear sounds, right, but also just a discernment. So you might
be someone who's very sensitive, you know, feeling differences in energy, which
mean that you are very open and sensitive almost feeling the presence, feeling the
presence. Or you might be someone who might even perceive the spirit world,
either objectively with your eyes or inside your mind. Most people who are untrained
will actually see spirit objectively with their eyes and when they develop it, it
becomes internal. So you know, for a lot of people are naturally medimistic,
they fully aware of the fact that they can discern the spirital so they
know that's a no brainer. But I feel you know, if you've never
done a day of mediumship in your life before, you've had no interest,
but you feel this desire to develop it. All it takes is a thought
to the spirit world. I would like to develop my mediumship. Would you
please work with me? Spirit will meet you and then the hard work starts.
Actually you know, so what you want to do is sit with regularity.
One of the key ways to start your journey before even taking a class,
is to learn how to meditate, because you need to learn to be
able to go quiet because it is within the silence and the quietness that the
spiritual communicates with us. So that's a key thing over there. And something
you know that doesn't get spoken about enough is self healing. I feel the
self healing journey is on the part of importance with your mediumship development journey because
it is holding onto your own stuff that you need yield all your own stuff.
When you connect mediumistically, all your stuff comes up, right Scott,
All your inhibitions, your self confidence issues, all comes up, and that's
what you've got to really yield. So I would say focus on your own
healing. That will set you up for success much faster for your mediumship development.
All you've got to do both together, So it's healing meditation. Once
you can do that, you can learn to be quiet. Then you just
need to learn the process of engaging them. There's a few techniques that you
can understand this kind of a process which will set you up for success.
And then it's the journey. You know, it's kin't doing it over and
over and just developing yourself and you have a mediumship one class? Is that?
Is that appropriate for people who are just Yeah? So I've got an
in person class which is a two day in August. Oh, it's an
impression. Yeah, Actually it's in July, so that one, you know,
you can come in, you can learn the basic technique. But that's
just an introductory class. It's not enough time. So those mediums w need
to go and set in circle somewhere. My favorite way of developing mediums,
which I think has been so profound and so effective, has been my online
mentoring. So I've got an eight week beginner mentoring program. So that will
take someone who doesn't know a thing brand new in eight weeks will get you
to that place where you should be able to do a basic reeting. And
then for those who've got more experience, you know, that would be the
twelve group class. But in the eight weeks, I think, you know
what I love about it is I had more than enough time to work with
people because it's a group class on a Monday night online, so you feel
like you're part of a group and you work in a group circle and then
it's individual but access to the training platform. But then you've got to do
it. This is key, right, This is the one thing people don't
want to do is to practice it. Got to go and do their eating
recorded. I watched it. I give a review and then one on one
mentoring, so it's almost like a group class but also a private class or
maild into one. You know, that ends with a beautiful symphony of spirit
communication at the end. So I love teaching that. I think that's one
of the best classes I have. I've put that training into place because I
decided I want you to teach a class the way I've always wanted to be
taught. And I hope I deliver that to the students. I think I
do because I've seen excellence in mediumship like I've never seen before. Some of
the mediums who study with me are far better than me. The mediums are
phenomenal. You know. It's so sad that people only really pay attention to
the television or celebrity mediums because the best mediumship is in your neighborhood. I've
seen mediumship. No one I know at Arthur Finney College can touch some of
these people because it's that great. You know, we all have this potential,
you know, so you think we are have the potential to be great.
And I say this like, you know, you can teach me to
play the piano, but I may not get pass silent mate, do you
know what I mean? You know, to be a great medium, it's
like the presence of your spirit mind? What keeps you separate from that?
If you work hard at it, you should be a What is a great
medium? Someone who can bring in all aspects of the spirit person identifiers,
but also bring through their presence and their essence right the full personality to allow
the person to feel as if their mom or their grandmother is present in the
room. That takes time to develop. And what will stop you from getting
yourself to that is lack of practice, lack of self confidence. And it's
going to have something to do with your healing. If you saw God healing
healing, stuff you need yield is what's standing in your way to your development.
That's the biggest problem that we have. Some people are just really,
really connected in a strong way. So for example, if someone is objectively
clear audience, they can simply repeat the information. It's so easy that only
to even try it. But there's very few people like that. So what
is a great medium really, Scott? What would you consider great mediumship?
I feel great mediumship is evidentially and for you to be able to bring the
spiritual to life for the citter where they feel that full presence and essence that
spirit is allowed to touch in on the citter. You know that they feel
that presence, that they feel the healing power of mediumship. And in my
view, that's a great medium. You can be someone who will bring in
like evidence, all visual all these visuals. Oh yes, that's right,
that's right, that's right, But you can't bring their essence into your reading,
their personality, the sense of them. It's not a good reading,
even though you can wow someone with some specific facts. But if it's cold
reading, then no, if there's no emotion attached, do you think that
the sitters any bearing on that? And and but let me explain to you
what I mean. You get some people that come in um either they're skeptical
and they're you know, they're trying to trick you or see if you even
if they're not trying to trick you, if they're trying to see and they're
just not gonna you know, there's this wall up. Or even someone in
intense grief. I wonder sometimes if they're capable of it, you know,
if it's a recent death, you know what I mean. I wonder some
some readings are so wonderful and you do capture that emotion, the feeling,
that the essence, like you're saying that person and others it's almost like they're
standing over there. I can tell you they're there. I'll tell you what
they're telling me. But it's not the same, do you know what I
mean? There's a wall. There's a wall, and I'm not sure who's
got the wall. Sometimes they think it's the center. Well, Yeah's the
thing, you know, with spirit communication, we are not doing a psychic
reading, so we are not reading the energy of the sitter. We are
creating this link over here, so it's not like they're blocking us psychically.
But everything is energetic. You bring your energy into the room. Now we
are working with a high vibration. We're in that place and you have a
sitter who's energies a little bit off the doubting Thomas's they're going to question everything.
The person who only wants to hear from one particular person and no one
else. Their energy is a lower vibration energy in trains to each other,
So they're lower vibration in trains to us. That automatically happens. Then what
happens is our vibration gets a little bit lower, and then our vibration trains
back to then and there's gets a little bit lower. So the energy definitely
affects it. But also what is the energy that the person brings into the
room. You know, I speak about feedback. You can have a citrus
going no, you know, disinterested. That's that's negative energy. You know,
that's low kind of energy, you know, and I feel that does
affect the reading and our connection because it drops everything. You know, your
words carry energy, the way you say things carry energy. So if someone's
going to come in with that kind of attitude, they will definitely affect the
energy. It's almost like they're pushing you away right when you're try and link
to their loved one. It's it's true, and I don't think they want
and oftentimes they're not trying to, you know what I mean, They're just
so it's almost like tunnel vision. That's not my mother. Let's say,
as an example, you're actually reading their aunt and you've got the essence of
their aunt, but they can't see it because they're just so fixed. Someone
complain about one of the students the other day. I watched the reading.
She was he was getting stuff and the citter was like, m I don't
know. And then two other friends came through and she's like, well,
why would they even come? You know. It's like I was looking at
this and was like, oh my god. Minutes later, with all this
disinterest, the medium said, I'm sorry, I can't connect for you.
Thank you so much. Then next thing I see, she goes on to
one of the social media pages and this was waiting forty years to year from
her father. Everything was spot on. Her friends came through that she's been
dying to year from, and suddenly he just decided to cancel the reading,
and I was like, are you kidding me? On the same page,
this was like two different readings, you know. And then I actually asked
to speak with her, and I could feel the energy and I could understand
why it was the struggle. But the thing is that was affecting the reading,
affecting the medium's connection. If you're getting all the spot on evidence,
how about yes, Oh my god, yes that's correct. No, that's
not right. You know, in the way that you said you infuse your
energy, I wish that its were more aware of the energy. Right.
I feel mediums sacred, right, it's a sacred experience. It is,
it is. I'll tall an interesting story. And I've said this before if
I said it on the show. I was in Indiana the end of April
and I was doing a gallery with another medium, and she picked up on
this man in the back of the room and she said, you're a skeptic.
Kind of sat there all smug and smiled, and you know, when
I started reading, and I picked up on this woman and I gave her.
I was giving the room the details about you know, she's got her
hair up and curlas she'd never leave the house unless her hair was done.
She just was so proud of who she was, and towards the end of
her life she would never take photos of herself. Interestingly enough, her her
lipstick was outside the lines and she used to collect coat buttons, and you've
got them. You saved your copa. You've got her box of copa.
Okay, that's pretty specific, right, Yeah, And you could hear the
crickets in the room. You could hear the crickets. After it was over,
his wife, who was with him, said, excuse me, excuse
me, you had his grandmother. But he wasn't going to say anything.
I said, who, And so you told me? And I said,
well, why didn't you say something? Well, you know, I mean
I do have her box of coat buttons, and I do it. You
know, it was all right, But he wasn't going to say anything.
So he says, well, does she have a message? He's gone left
the station, you know. But I stuff like that happens too. Is
They sit there almost like yeah, do you know? I don't understand it.
Honestly, it actually makes me angry to be honest with you, because
I let you drown there, you know, and you look like you're an
idiot, and then you know, afterwards they might want to come to you
secretly. By the way I understood that. It's like, really, folks,
everyone else who was still in the wrong. I don't know why.
You know, I've had weird responses, you know, where someone wouldn't take
something, and I thought I was going crazy. And I was very upset
that night because I had a bad night. It affected my energy and then
I struggled during the demonstration. Afterwards, the blow comes up to me and
he says, oh, yeah, I'm sorry. I could take everything.
I said, well, why didn't you say so? You let me look
like a fool, and he said, well, she only died two days
ago, so I wasn't ready. It's like, what the hell You've come
to speak to dead people? She's dead. It's so true. You know,
I gotta keep us saying to humans, Scott, we do Lee.
I know you're not gonna believe this. We only have four minutes left to
this show. True, it's always the quickest. I want to give people
an opportunity just to find out how they can reach you, because I know
a lot of people that watch this. I had a reading last week because
of someone that watched the show. So I would love for people to wait,
wait, wait, we have an audience. Both of my friends are
on every week. One of them is my co host. Watched once for
five minutes. How can people get a hold of you? Lee and your
website and everything. All right, So I've got two websites, Lee van
Zile Spiritual dot com. That's my personal website and you can see all the
classes on that website. But also the school website is Montclair Psychic School dot
com. Perfect. Yeah, and I and honestly, and I'm and I'm
saying this to be because I've taken your class. I cannot recommend you enough.
You are you. You have the most thorough program I've ever seen.
I mean you literally cover everything. Yeah, yeah, you truly truly do
you cover it all? And I wanted to Yes, it was great.
When do you start up again? Is it in the Yeah, we're starting
a beginner on September eleventh, and then I think a week later, a
week earlier, we're doing the twelve week Advanced. I always feel bad because
you do ask for people to come on and set, and it's usually during
this show. Really yeah, and I and I and I'd say, oh,
I'd love to go and you know, and just be part of it,
you know, because yeah, I mean I would love to do that.
And I'm always here, so um, maybe maybe maybe we'll see what
happens in the fall. I know, I had. I always remember that
reading you did for me with that friend of mine have got murdered. That
was pretty intense, emblazoned in my energy. Feel I will never forget that
reading. And you know, um, I don't know that I've ever I
don't know if I told you this truly, but it was like watching the
seeing play in front of me. And I don't know that I get that
that often like that, you know, it was like watching a movie and
seeing this man get murdered. I mean it was. It was intense.
And then we were at his house with his mother and his sister. But
you see, we are all capable of having these shining moments of amazing mediumship,
right, But that that reading over there, that was like just something
I'll always remember. Thank you, well, thank you, and thanks for
the opportunity to do it. You know, because there is such a thing
we call imposter syndrome. I don't know if you're aware of it. Oh
yeah, every day have these doubts. But then you say, but then
how did I do that? You know, you know what I mean,
how did I bring that person through? And it's it's it's amazing, It
is amazing, And every class you take every experience you have increases your confidence
level yes and yes, and gets you better and better. I mean,
I remember when I first started, Oh my god, I would be nervous.
I would be I'd be a nervous wreck before Oh my god, I
would throw up. Yeah, I would throw up. Now I don't,
I don't get as kind of nervous with it. It just kind of organically
happens and so and you learn that you can trust them, you know that
they continue. That's the biggest channel is telling us that we have less than
thirty seconds now, right, we do? We do. I just want
to say goodbye everyone, Thank you everyone, wonderful summer. Thank you Lee
for being here. It's been an absolute pleasure you. Julie, thank you.
Scott great to me, Julie, thank you so much. Leave and
still have a wonderful summer. We'll see you all in the fall. By
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