1 00:00:11,359 --> 00:00:18,239 Welcome. We Ain't afraid of no ghosts. This is your number one podcast 2 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:24,199 for googlies and ghosties and long legged beasties, bringing you everything you need to 3 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:29,359 know about things that go plump in the night and interviewing the personalities behind us. 4 00:00:30,039 --> 00:00:34,719 Make sure your doors and windows are locked. Now Here are your hosts, 5 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:44,640 your ghost host Scott and Julie. Hello, everyone, Welcome to the 6 00:00:44,679 --> 00:00:48,600 Paranormal Project. Good afternoon, Julie. How are you? Oh good Scott? 7 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,840 How are you? The sun is shining at least to your house? 8 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:57,359 No shining here, it's We've Got'm getting my fifteen minutes here while I'm on 9 00:00:57,399 --> 00:01:00,399 the while I'm on the show. So welcome New England. You know we 10 00:01:00,479 --> 00:01:07,239 are the Paranormal Project. Our guest today is the least paranormal person I know. 11 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:11,799 However, she is one of the coolest psychic mediums I've had the pleasure 12 00:01:11,799 --> 00:01:18,000 of working with Julie. She owns the Montclair Psychic School. I was fortunate 13 00:01:18,079 --> 00:01:21,400 enough to be able to study with her, and she's got a fantastic story 14 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:26,439 and a fantastic school. And you remember we had Leah I'm Liam on the 15 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,640 show a while back. Psychic medium Leam Galvin, who I got to know 16 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,439 through Lee, and he studied with her as well, so I knew she'd 17 00:01:33,439 --> 00:01:36,319 be a great way to close out the season. And those of you, 18 00:01:37,159 --> 00:01:40,200 if you weren't listening last week or you don't know, this is our last 19 00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:45,120 live show of the year. Our new season begins in September. Julie and 20 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,159 I are taking the summer off. She's going to be cruising Alaska and doing 21 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:55,560 all kinds of fun things, and I'll be in Boston. But anyway, 22 00:01:53,120 --> 00:02:00,200 that travel to Boston, Scott. It's a lovely place right there. They 23 00:02:00,239 --> 00:02:04,560 do, they do anyway. I would really love to welcome my guest, 24 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,439 our guest, Lee van Ziel to the show. Hi Lee, how are 25 00:02:07,479 --> 00:02:12,919 you? And Hi Julie, Hi Scott. Thanks for having me. It 26 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,400 is so nice to have you. Lee. Can you tell everyone good to 27 00:02:16,439 --> 00:02:22,400 see you you too. Can you tell everyone how did this happen for you? 28 00:02:22,479 --> 00:02:23,680 Because you, I know you and I have talked a bit about you. 29 00:02:24,199 --> 00:02:28,639 You're from South Africa, and yeah, I'm from South Africa. I 30 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:35,919 immigrated and I was a lawyer, actually very very unspiritual. I was a 31 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:39,039 mob lawyer, so I was everything you hate about lawyers. I embraced everything. 32 00:02:40,759 --> 00:02:46,120 And then what happened with me my daughter as soon as she started speaking. 33 00:02:46,159 --> 00:02:51,960 It around two years old. She started speaking, and she started speaking 34 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:57,280 to unseen people. She called them her spookies. And it was like really 35 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,360 unnerving. She was having this full on conversation. There was a lot of 36 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:06,000 them. She would draw pictures of them. She's very artistic, and it 37 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,120 really scared the hell out of the Actually all of us were literally terrified, 38 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:14,199 and I didn't know what to do with her. And then we moved. 39 00:03:14,479 --> 00:03:17,960 We actually were in Massachusetts and I actually we bought a place in the woods 40 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:23,360 in Douglas. You probably familiar with it all closer to Providence, brand new 41 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:27,439 house, brand spanking news. So I said to the family, well, 42 00:03:27,439 --> 00:03:31,759 look, once we move, it'll probably be the end of Jordan's spookies. 43 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:37,000 And the first day we moved into this house, we had this long drive 44 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:40,719 where I was stay excited with a sidewalk chalk for the kid. Put her 45 00:03:40,719 --> 00:03:46,560 out there and she starts drawing what looked like Casper the friendly Ghosts. So 46 00:03:46,599 --> 00:03:49,960 I'm like, Jordan, like, what are you drawing? She says, 47 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,439 oh, it's the spookies. So I said, but theyth stayed at the 48 00:03:53,520 --> 00:04:00,400 apartment right now we all moved together, so I had to you're with this 49 00:04:00,639 --> 00:04:02,039 child. I didn't know what to do, you know, and this was 50 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,680 an ongoing thing, but she became the odd kid. So when we moved 51 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:11,479 to New Jersey, she was due to start school and she was really having 52 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:15,759 problems with kids her own age because she was speaking to her friends but also 53 00:04:15,800 --> 00:04:18,920 the friends that no one else could see, and she started to be bullied. 54 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:24,079 And I found her a place hearing New Jersey that had a children's group. 55 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,959 They would teach them shamanism psychic development, and she absolutely loved it. 56 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:31,959 And while I was waiting for our take on a Saturday, while I was 57 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:39,680 waiting for I saw this random ad advanced mediumship class with an Australian medium and 58 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,040 it just caught my eyes. So I thought, well, I'm not advanced. 59 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,680 I'm not even a medium. And I spoke to the woman. I 60 00:04:44,759 --> 00:04:46,240 said, do you think I could take the class? And she said yes, 61 00:04:46,399 --> 00:04:51,040 And I took that class. It was a three day class and it 62 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:56,680 was oh my god. I could not believe that the information I brought through 63 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,839 people could recognize. But my teacher, it was one of those old timers. 64 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,519 You know, there was no new ag woo woo stuff. It was. 65 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:10,040 She never mentioned a word about the chakras or anything. Is just speak 66 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:14,920 to them, I have this conversation. So it was more of a non 67 00:05:14,959 --> 00:05:19,199 woo woo kind of a mediumship class. So I was really surprised by this. 68 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:24,439 And she then called me a week later from Australia and said, oh, 69 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:28,000 I've arranged for you to start running a circle at this place. I'm 70 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:31,240 like, what, you know, all I did was a random class. 71 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:35,800 Something inside me, just this overwhelming draw, you know, do this, 72 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:41,959 do this. And I started sitting with all these mediums and the next thing 73 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,199 people were asking me to teach. I started teaching in New York, New 74 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:48,800 Jersey. The place closed down. All I wanted was a spirit circle, 75 00:05:48,879 --> 00:05:54,120 just to location, to sit once a week with some mediums, and it 76 00:05:54,240 --> 00:06:00,800 just seemed to naturally evolve into a school. The jestic expandard, you know. 77 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:05,040 And then I started to really explore spirituality and I became a heal and 78 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:13,279 I really started to just develop this absolute passion for spirit communication. And my 79 00:06:13,439 --> 00:06:17,519 guides told me, we're going to support you on this journey, but you 80 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,959 can develop people quickly. Do not drip people off, and we'll support you. 81 00:06:24,079 --> 00:06:29,360 But I know that people, all of us are capable of being mediums. 82 00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:33,199 We all have this natural ability to speak to the spirit wall So that's 83 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:39,399 what I'm about. I absolutely love holding people's hands, taking them on the 84 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:44,519 journey and just watching their medium should flourish, you know, And to be 85 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,199 able to just share this gift for everyone. I enjoy seeing that. I 86 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:54,199 enjoy the former students doing really well becoming teachers in their own rights. So 87 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:59,040 this is my passion. I found my life purpose and I'm no longer a 88 00:06:59,079 --> 00:07:05,000 lawyer. Have you ever thought of adding to your class list how to teach 89 00:07:05,079 --> 00:07:10,240 this? Because you know, the more readings I do, the more people 90 00:07:10,279 --> 00:07:14,519 I have reaching out to me saying what do I do? I don't know, 91 00:07:14,839 --> 00:07:17,120 something's going on with me. And what I usually tell them is, 92 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:21,199 here's Lee's address, her email address, and here's her phone number, and 93 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:26,639 you should call her because that's what you do. But it would really be 94 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:31,480 wonderful to have a group of people. I'm not saying we're all going to 95 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,279 open up schools, but it would be nice to be able to know what 96 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:40,439 to say to someone and how to help someone control some of these gifts that 97 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,439 they have. Is that something you do or have you thought of that? 98 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,720 Sometimes? You know, with the physical location. When I have some students 99 00:07:50,759 --> 00:07:54,920 who are sitting with me and that just show this potential, you know, 100 00:07:55,000 --> 00:08:01,439 I will have them start teaching with me. You can't obviously, you know, 101 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:07,240 to teach you have to understand this, right, So the way I 102 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:11,959 teach nowadays, I started teaching before I had any business teaching, but I 103 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:16,279 was blessed to have a team of teaching guides. We really knew how to 104 00:08:16,319 --> 00:08:20,600 open up stuff with a spiritle. It's like I was teaching and working as 105 00:08:20,639 --> 00:08:22,519 a medium, but I had to play catch up to everything that was going 106 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:26,600 on, you know, in my school and in the circle. So I 107 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:31,160 had to play catch up. So I had a limited knowledge, but I 108 00:08:31,279 --> 00:08:33,480 just had these guides. But you know, at this point in time, 109 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:39,200 after many years, I've been doing this for seventeen years, I have I 110 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:45,080 really understand mediumship now and I feel it's something very natural. I don't feel 111 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,600 like we need to add all this rubus stuff, rules, rules, rules 112 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:52,519 about things. You know. I feel we can be flexible with a spirit. 113 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:58,720 But if you have an understanding of it, it's about sharing the journey, 114 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,039 sharing the technique. So I'm happy to teach people how to teach. 115 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,559 But to teach people, we've got to have people to teach, right, 116 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:16,200 Yeah, that's what It's true. And the biggest, you know, the 117 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,639 biggest thing you know that I think confounded me the most on my mediumship journey. 118 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:28,440 I wish teachers hadn't held information back. I believe in sharing knowledge, 119 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:33,039 share everything you know, because I don't like a teaching teachings where the whole 120 00:09:33,159 --> 00:09:37,360 little key bits of information back. So you can take another class, give 121 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,679 people all the information, teach them. When you say, Scott, you 122 00:09:41,759 --> 00:09:46,159 know this conversation with the spirit wall, speak to them, people would say, 123 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,639 and it's like, how how do you speak to them? No one 124 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:52,360 would ever tell me that, you know, So with time, you know, 125 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:56,159 eventually, oh you just talk to them. These are a list of 126 00:09:56,279 --> 00:10:01,080 questions you can start working with, develop that communication and then you go. 127 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,600 So, you know, I feel, firstly become a medium, really understand 128 00:10:05,639 --> 00:10:09,000 it, and then you can teach. But I feel people if they start 129 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:13,480 their mediumship, let's say, with the basic foundational course, and they start 130 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:18,120 the uncircle, whether it's at home or in a location, you can actually 131 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:22,720 lead a group, because that's what I did. While you are developing together 132 00:10:22,919 --> 00:10:28,759 as a group, you can develop your mediumship and that will naturally unfold all 133 00:10:28,799 --> 00:10:33,879 your teaching skills as well. Yea, and that makes sense. Does your 134 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,039 daughter work with you? No, she wants to have nothing to do with 135 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:45,200 it. You'll tell you a story about that. My daughter is a very 136 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:52,399 very gift dead intuitever psychic, but does not want to have anything to do 137 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,679 with that. But I truly believe she uses her a gift in her job. 138 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:03,440 She is a clinical social work girl me with mental illness, and she's 139 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,840 so very good at it, and I really think that she uses that without 140 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:13,679 knowing. She uses that to get through to her clients. Absolutely. My 141 00:11:13,759 --> 00:11:18,440 son's also a medium. He's a state trooper year in New Jersey, and 142 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,360 he's very good at it. He's actually really good with spirit rescue work, 143 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:26,159 you know, going into haunted houses and that excellent at that. But none 144 00:11:26,159 --> 00:11:30,600 of them have ever wanted to do this. You know, I've really got 145 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,759 to twist his arm and pay him a lot of money to work with me, 146 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,960 otherwise they won't. But you know, like Julie, you and I 147 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:43,879 have talked about this right, Well, he'll be back. We'll give him 148 00:11:43,919 --> 00:11:50,559 a moment. I'm not there, can you hear me? Okay? Now, 149 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,200 I didn't even realize I was gone. I think I had an NDE 150 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:58,039 and nobody told me. No. You know, Julie and I have talked 151 00:11:58,039 --> 00:12:01,639 about this because really has always said I'm a psychic gem path, and I 152 00:12:01,639 --> 00:12:05,360 thought, well, what the heck is that? But I really think, 153 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:09,200 you know, and you know, this push comes to shove, you do 154 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,840 it. You can do it, do you know what I mean? I 155 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:15,000 did take a full day call, I did take training, and I was 156 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,639 very very good at it. At the end of the day, I was 157 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,960 reading a woman who I mean, she had said to me she's never had 158 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,519 a reading like that before, she was in tears. It just came very 159 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:33,279 naturally to me. But it's not my path. I really love doing paranormal 160 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:37,759 investigating. Yeah, I do use my gift while I'm investigating to get a 161 00:12:37,799 --> 00:12:43,879 feel for what's going on, but it's I just don't feel that it is 162 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,759 my path to do that. You know, we all have a different path, 163 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,240 Like absolutely, yeah, I understand you don't do investigating. No, 164 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:56,720 I don't investigating because I feel if I need to go into someone's location. 165 00:12:56,799 --> 00:13:01,679 They already know they haunted. So I'm going there to clear it out, 166 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:05,679 okay, And I'm looking for the evidence, and I want to speak to 167 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:09,519 the spirit. I want to go in there and speak to spirit and say 168 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,519 look at what I have, look you have. No. No, I'm 169 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:16,799 not interested in the gadgets because they really know they've gotten trouble. Okay, 170 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:22,000 And I go in for the direct communication with them and slits cross them over, 171 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,320 so for the energetic clearing. Right. So I'd love to ask you 172 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:28,960 a question on that note, League, because and this is something Julie and 173 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,279 I we deal with them. We go on investigations. We were at a 174 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:39,200 place in Ohio and I walk in and I'm oblivious to it. I don't 175 00:13:39,399 --> 00:13:45,320 feel the things like she does. She feels the stuff, and she says, 176 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:46,919 I don't think you should go in there. I don't. I don't 177 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:50,600 think we should be in there. There's something I'm doing there and I'm walking 178 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:54,919 in like Mickey the Dunns. Well, here we go. It is completely 179 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,480 oblivious because I and I don't know if it's because I'm shut off in those 180 00:13:58,519 --> 00:14:05,240 situations or if it's just that's just not how it is for me. I'm 181 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:11,960 very sensitive to energy, and I physically feel energy. That's the empathic part 182 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,240 of it. If it is a negative energy, I can tell you if 183 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:22,360 it is human negativity, which you know what, Listen, some people are 184 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:26,279 turds in life, they're turds in death too, Or if it is non 185 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:31,039 human, I can tell you right off if it's non human, because I 186 00:14:31,159 --> 00:14:37,679 get physically sick from non human It attacks my spine and goes into my stomach, 187 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,720 which is something that you know, we find happens a lot with a 188 00:14:41,759 --> 00:14:46,799 demonologist. Not that I have never studied teology. Again, that's not something 189 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:52,440 I'm interested in. But I can feel if it is safe for the team 190 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:58,720 to work in that environment. Well, you know, as far as going 191 00:14:58,759 --> 00:15:03,600 into locations, I'm very strict with my my boundaries, my protections. So 192 00:15:03,679 --> 00:15:09,360 when I'm not doing any spiritual work, I'm so so shut tight, you 193 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:11,960 know. So I can walk into a room and not connect to anything. 194 00:15:13,639 --> 00:15:16,240 But it's once I open up, you know that I will then discern. 195 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,600 But I'm very picky with a kind of rescue work that I do nowadays. 196 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:30,080 I will work with earthbound spirits, I will work with a dark force entity, 197 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,720 but not demonic. I've had a run in you know that, I 198 00:15:33,799 --> 00:15:37,240 do not want experience. I've got any limits. I've got a limit to 199 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,679 what I will work with, and you need to be trained in that, 200 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,600 honestly, you know, it's just definitely years and years of training. I 201 00:15:46,679 --> 00:15:54,080 ran into the demonic once and stepped back said, no, I don't know 202 00:15:54,279 --> 00:15:58,320 that what I'm doing. I have no training in this, and we need 203 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:03,480 to fill someone who yeah. Yes. When I started my mediumship, she 204 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,399 also opened me up to rescue mediumship. I had my first experience with a 205 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:15,080 suicide with not crossed over, so I had a parallel mediumship career. Ever, 206 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:19,240 then she mediumship but also spirit rescue mediumship. And it's very difficult to 207 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,480 maintain that kind of balance because the ones a very high vibration, the rescue 208 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:30,440 mediumships the lower vibration. It's very difficult to deal with that, you know. 209 00:16:30,519 --> 00:16:33,559 But I do know that you have to know your limits. You have 210 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:37,519 to know when to walk out. Absolutely some of these things. It's got 211 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:41,320 to be done, you know, under God, with the priest, some 212 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:45,600 exorcists, who's like really those people who work with that kind of energy, 213 00:16:47,159 --> 00:16:51,159 that's their specialty. That's all they do, that's all they do, So 214 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:56,399 you've got to be very careful, very absolutely. Yeah, and I saw. 215 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:00,120 I don't know if it was yesterday or over the weekend. This is 216 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,759 something Julie and I have always said we wanted to do. Was the table 217 00:17:02,799 --> 00:17:07,000 tipping? Oh yes, you did that at your Was that at yours? 218 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,759 What you know at the school? Oh yeah, we do it all the 219 00:17:11,839 --> 00:17:15,680 time, all the time. How was that compared to say a wegi board? 220 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:26,160 Good question, Um, sometimes it is, Well, it's wegi board 221 00:17:26,279 --> 00:17:33,000 and table tipping, or actually both forms of physical mediumship. Physical mediumships the 222 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:41,440 physical manifestation of spirit. Um. So if I were to open up a 223 00:17:41,519 --> 00:17:47,119 wegi session, I would I do a series of tests to see what kind 224 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,519 of energy I have? Do I know this person really? Like if it 225 00:17:49,599 --> 00:17:53,359 says it's my dad, well I'm going to ask a few questions and see 226 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,720 if I can get clarification or proof that it is in fact my father. 227 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:03,000 So it should be able to easily spell the energy. Usually when you've got 228 00:18:03,039 --> 00:18:07,880 something negative on Auigi board, you can usually sense it pretty quickly in that 229 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,240 there'll be a lot of cursing, there'll be a that'll move the letters or 230 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:17,960 the numbers away or something might go flying. Generally, I find working with 231 00:18:18,039 --> 00:18:22,640 auigis as much prayers and protection that you put in place. I've found that 232 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:27,119 we are more apt to get something negative coming in on a Wuigi board. 233 00:18:27,799 --> 00:18:33,519 That's in my experience. Yeah, the table tipping, what we do is 234 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:40,839 usually part of our trans mediumship circle, so we are working with the guides, 235 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:48,000 which is a very very high vibration. We also work with the loved 236 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:52,279 ones on the table as well, but we can communicate so they can spell, 237 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,599 for example, or give us answers as to this is a father, 238 00:18:57,319 --> 00:19:03,079 and they can spell stuffs. We can constantly question it and get answers, 239 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:07,759 you know. So we use it for the trans mediumship guides as well as 240 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:14,799 loved ones. So we don't really use it for psychic information though, while 241 00:19:14,799 --> 00:19:19,799 I get this job a little bit different, you know. But I I've 242 00:19:19,839 --> 00:19:27,359 actually had table tipping circles where I've had one or two people that you know, 243 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:33,920 I see they become very uncomfortable in the circle. These have been when 244 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,400 we were doing them publicly. I don't do them publicly anymore, and they 245 00:19:37,519 --> 00:19:41,000 start sweating and they have to leave, And I always know that's a sign 246 00:19:41,079 --> 00:19:47,000 that there's something with their energy that's not conducive to the high energy of what 247 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:52,799 we are working with. So if I do sense anyone at the table and 248 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:59,519 something feels negative to me, I shut it down immediately. There's no questions 249 00:19:59,599 --> 00:20:02,799 ask, even if it's like five minutes. But for the most part, 250 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:08,119 I would say I've very very rarely sense or have any negative experiences with the 251 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:12,400 table. For the most part, when we're working with the guides and the 252 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:17,759 table, you know they are doing healing. They will go to you for 253 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,880 healing purposes. The table will go against you and infuse healing energy into you. 254 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,119 But when we work with the guides, you know, it's a different 255 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:33,920 kind of energy. It's very very gentle, and it's very controlled movement, 256 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:41,519 very very controlled. I've had one experience where someone unbeknown to me was working 257 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:48,880 with ET energy and the table went crazy. It was really bad. It 258 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:53,480 was just going crazy. It was almost violent kind of energy, and we 259 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,279 canceled that one immediately. So but I like I say, you know, 260 00:20:59,279 --> 00:21:03,480 it's very very rare that on the table I feel anything And by ET you 261 00:21:03,519 --> 00:21:07,759 mean extraterrestrial. Yeah, that's just going to say, can you expand on 262 00:21:07,799 --> 00:21:10,240 that a little bit. I mean, that's very interesting. Yeah, I'm 263 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:15,480 working with extraterrestrial beings, you know, from I don't really do that at 264 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:22,000 all, Okay, I don't really enjoy the energy too much. Um so 265 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:26,880 we've had a few a really negative experience of that kind of energy. So 266 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:30,759 I like guides, I like dead people, and that's about I'm vanilla. 267 00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:41,799 I guess here. I am curious though, and I don't know if you 268 00:21:41,799 --> 00:21:47,599 can answer this, but if someone were to connect with an extraterrestrial energy, 269 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:53,519 is it a deceased extraterrestrial or you do you think you're you're communicating telepathically with 270 00:21:53,640 --> 00:22:00,599 extraterrestrials that are wherever they are now. I believe it will be telepathic indication. 271 00:22:00,079 --> 00:22:03,400 Wow, I find that fascinating. I've never even heard of that before. 272 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:07,799 Yeah, I know, I know. It's very interesting. Although if 273 00:22:07,799 --> 00:22:15,359 you're if you watch Skinwalker Ranch, I honestly really questioned a lot and I 274 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:21,359 have been watching what's been happening on Skinwalker Ranch, and it's amazing. It 275 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:29,799 really is the different you know, different energies and opening different pathways and then 276 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:34,359 out of our world is just what they think that they're finding. It's just 277 00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:37,920 crazy. Yeah, you know, I'm not too sure. I guess, 278 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,640 you know. Honestly, I haven't gone in and done any in depth study 279 00:22:41,799 --> 00:22:47,680 on working with these kinds of energies. For the most part, where I've 280 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,599 worked with it has actually been in the field of spirit rescue work, where 281 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,640 people have picked up problems, you know, where they got this intrusive energy 282 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,880 with them and they're not going anywhere because they don't believe in Earth's rebels. 283 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:06,000 So I haven't had very positive experiences with it. I've had no desire to 284 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,599 channel them or anything like that. So I wonder, I said, I'm 285 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:15,720 Vanilla, I'm wondering if these people are experiencers and so that's why they have 286 00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:23,200 that communication or able to have their communication. I don't know, you know, 287 00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:27,680 I think one's got to be careful nowadays, you know, everything like 288 00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:33,880 on TikTok and everywhere, everyone's getting all their education on the internet, right 289 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:40,400 without any understanding of what's going on. They're inviting these beings in and the 290 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,640 beings are going, oh, well, you're part of a select group. 291 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:48,160 We are going to share the special sacred information for you. And then they 292 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,079 pick up problems, you know, in their lives. Energetically, because the 293 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,279 way they get the in with people who are untrained and don't understand this is 294 00:23:56,279 --> 00:24:00,559 through the ego you are special. We are working with you. No one 295 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:04,960 ever things like I'm Josh Schmo from Jersey, Aaron Clifton your Jersey. I 296 00:24:06,279 --> 00:24:10,519 hold you want to give all this information exactly exactly, and I opened a 297 00:24:10,599 --> 00:24:14,400 door to something, so I feel, you know, I don't need to 298 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:18,200 do that. So people I think, you know, I would like them 299 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,119 to be a little bit more careful with this kind of stuff. Yeah. 300 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,559 I think nowadays, you know, everyone's about oh, you know this is 301 00:24:26,599 --> 00:24:30,480 amazing, you know, so it's the shock factor too for a lot of 302 00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:33,119 people. Yeah. Yeah, I think with all of this stuff, you 303 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,440 know, we don't want to do all this work from a vibration. Yeah, 304 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,559 but you need to use your common sense as well, right, So 305 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,440 sometimes common sense is missing them. I was just going to say sometimes it's 306 00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:49,440 lackingly. We know this for a fact. You know, when you do 307 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:53,160 this kind of work, whether it be mediumship or whatever, it's okay to 308 00:24:53,319 --> 00:25:00,960 question things. Questioning is healthy, you know, you can's just accept everything 309 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,799 blindly, even with spirit communication like Scott, like you and I do right. 310 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:11,119 I mean you've got to provide evidence conscious. Oh, I've got your 311 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,680 grandmother over, Yeah, this is what she says. Why how do I 312 00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:19,400 hurt your grandmother? You know? So it's health questioning things is very healthy. 313 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,079 You know. I've had that in a reading too. Okay, you 314 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,000 know it starts out kind of general and then you get a little more specific. 315 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,319 Is i've got a man here, Oh my god, that's my husband? 316 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,599 Okay, well, no, a man could be any man. You 317 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,680 know, you don't know, but thanks for letting me know that your husband 318 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,839 died. Now that's it, you know, yeah, it's it's it's it's 319 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:49,680 funny. Do you have any suggestions when doing table tipping how to properly close 320 00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:52,160 out? Is there is there a way to properly close it out? Like 321 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,119 when you shut it down? You say, oh, I shut it down 322 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,960 right away with us? Firstly, thy great time keepers. So our team 323 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:07,240 know that we will do table tipping from nine pm to nine thirty. When 324 00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:11,440 that clock hits nine thirty, even though we might not be looking at it. 325 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,880 It's almost as if someone has gotten a chainsaw and cut the legs of 326 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:21,640 the table off, because it just stops. So they keep time and they 327 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:26,079 obey rules, but whenever. You know, the thing is that can take 328 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:30,200 a bit of time to build up the energy on the table. The first 329 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,599 group I started, we sat for six weeks every week just with our hands 330 00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:40,799 on the table, building the energy before we even got movement. The key 331 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,559 is to have a group that is harmonious, with harmonious compatible energy, very 332 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:52,799 very positive. If you have people who are fearful paranoid on the negative side, 333 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,759 give them the boots. You don't want to be sitting with people like 334 00:26:55,799 --> 00:27:00,039 that because it's the group energy that will provide the energy to the spirit world 335 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,680 to move the table. I don't do a lot, you know, I 336 00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:10,519 do. I do our prayer, We ask for the guides to be present. 337 00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:14,359 We're only working with the highest vibrations, so I'm not too concerned. 338 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,799 And when we're at the end, usually they will end it for us. 339 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,240 You know, the table will stop and well, what happened last night? 340 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,559 I must be lying thirty yeah, okay, thank you spirit, bye bye. 341 00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:29,480 We give the table a kiss, and that's that we've done. That's 342 00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:33,400 it. Thanks. Fascinating now, you know when when when I studied with 343 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:38,799 you, we touched to scratch the surface on trance a little bit. I 344 00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:41,279 don't think that I ever. I don't think I had enough of it to 345 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,960 really kind of yeah, yeah, you know, get into it. But 346 00:27:45,039 --> 00:27:48,920 I find that fascinating too. Do you do you have any or is it 347 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,759 the same thing in terms of who you're allowing it or is there is there 348 00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:56,359 some fear element to that allowing them to come through. I think actually with 349 00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,000 the course of actually having them do trance almost from the start now in that 350 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,400 course that you did, because I find it it really helps you evidentially mediumship. 351 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,000 This thing of when we say trance mediumship, you know, there's a 352 00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:15,680 misunderstanding about what it is because when you say I'm allowing spirit to come and 353 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:22,400 speak through me, and there can be change, overshadowment, possibly voice change 354 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:29,039 coming in, people automatically think of possession, right, and this creates fear. 355 00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:32,640 I know that created fear in me when I first started to develop its 356 00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:36,519 oh my god, I'm going to be possessed now. But actually, you 357 00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:41,720 know, with understanding, you're bringing spirit very close and there's a blending of 358 00:28:41,759 --> 00:28:45,880 the minds. They infuse their thoughts in the medium's mind. So the development 359 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:51,759 problem is like this is the medium their minds. Always to the foreground, 360 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,559 always to the foreground. Right, So spirit, spirits going to come in. 361 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,279 Let mess you God, I can't do it. This is this is 362 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:07,440 the this is the medium. No, that's the medium. Spirits. Spirits 363 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,160 got to move forward so that there's more of spirit and less of the medium's 364 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:17,720 mind, and they will kind of. It allows the blending of the minds 365 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:23,880 and allowing the medium to speak the thoughts of spirit. You can do direct 366 00:29:25,079 --> 00:29:29,920 mediumship where you can bring through your own loved one, but theoretically, you 367 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,079 know, that should be just a direct conversation where. It's interesting though, 368 00:29:33,599 --> 00:29:40,240 I don't they any trans mediums who actually do direct communication readings. I wonder 369 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:44,839 why is that? It is interesting? They just bring through guides all the 370 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,279 time, just bring through guides. Oh, they speak to the guide. 371 00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:52,799 It's in other words, you have another middle person. They incline to do 372 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,799 more, you know when they do the trans demonstrations to allow the guides to 373 00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:00,400 speak through them. Right, And make no mistake, we do that in 374 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:07,359 the circle as well. And the messages that come through trans mediumship are just 375 00:30:07,599 --> 00:30:14,880 beautiful. They are healing, they provoke thought, they are inspirational. We 376 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:21,880 learn so much about spirit, about people, about everything. There's no topic 377 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,200 of limits when it comes to the guides. So if we can allow the 378 00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:29,880 guides to speak through us. If I was sitting with you, Julie, 379 00:30:30,319 --> 00:30:36,079 and I'm a transmedium, then surely I could bring your mother through directly correct. 380 00:30:36,799 --> 00:30:41,599 Yes, she wouldn't need to really provide evidence, as it would be 381 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,359 like, Julie, I'm your mom, and just have a conversation with you 382 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,599 in such a personal way that you will be able to respond like a live 383 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:56,319 conversation. So it's interesting that for the most starting trans mediumship mediums are not 384 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:02,599 offering the direct communication reading, putting a lot of focus into the training of 385 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:07,200 that I do them, you know, with people I might trust just to 386 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:11,640 practice this, but I'm not ready to put it out there. But also, 387 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:15,480 you know, I feel the public are also not educated enough to maybe 388 00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:22,160 to receive that kind of reading. But I feel it's a powerful form of 389 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:27,839 mediumship, if only just for us when we sit down and develop it, 390 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:33,359 to be able to experience that energy and to receive those messages for ourselves, 391 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:41,880 right, But also working with the trans mediumship really enhances your connection to spirit 392 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,119 in your mental mediumship. So as a medium, I feel it's like really 393 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:52,279 a great thing if you are able to sit for trance as well, maybe 394 00:31:52,359 --> 00:31:57,279 not do trans mediumship you know in your professional capacity, but is something that 395 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:04,119 really aided you in your own mediumship the closeness of spirit? I feel it 396 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,559 really enhances that. Do you. And I'm gonna tell you why I am 397 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:15,240 asking this, but do you think that when you're in that spot you feel? 398 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,480 When I when I before I do a reading and I sit and I'm 399 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,839 preparing for reading, I always ask them to come behind me, stand behind 400 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:28,759 me, and then share the space with me. I don't ask them to 401 00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:32,000 get inside me, but share the space with me. And I can tell 402 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:37,079 whether it's a man or a woman, if they're older, if they're younger. 403 00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:39,720 I can almost even tell if their legs are heavy, if they were 404 00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:43,559 kind of shoes they were. It's kind of a weird thing. And I 405 00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:46,000 don't believe that's trance. I don't believe that I'm in that trance movie. 406 00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:50,279 You know. I don't take on their voice. I don't. Nothing changes. 407 00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:53,480 It's just I'm able to understand who they are because they're nice clothes. 408 00:32:54,079 --> 00:33:00,240 So that would be more mental mediumship. Right way you probably experienced trance, 409 00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:06,799 and it's a spontaneous trance when you've got this link to someone and suddenly you 410 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:12,960 start to switch over into the first person. That's the power of trance. 411 00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:20,200 But I think mental mediums can get into that trance state during a reading spontaneously. 412 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:23,039 And would they know it? You know I've happen. You know, 413 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:27,319 Scott, you know that, you know you would well, you would know 414 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:30,200 if you slipped into it. I mean the first time it happened to me, 415 00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:32,599 I was doing a reading for someone who had lost her son to suicide. 416 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,960 I was just giving evidence like I usually would, and suddenly he was 417 00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:44,799 just speaking in the first person, my voice in the first person, speaking 418 00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:49,599 to his moment. She was answering, and they were having a conversation and 419 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,839 didn't last for long, but it was enough to know, oh my god, 420 00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:58,400 this is something else. That's the trance state. So that can slip 421 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,720 in through through mental mediumship with me without having taken one day of trans training. 422 00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:07,920 Right, They're just able to come in and you allow that process. 423 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:13,960 I know I've had people say to me, wow, the way you said 424 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:20,719 that, that that's that facial expression you or that where you laughed, or 425 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,480 that you know, but I didn't. Never. I never felt like I 426 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,920 slipped into a first person mannerisms or the words. It's spontaneous and go in 427 00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:34,960 and art very quickly. So I feel you know that you've probably experienced spontaneous 428 00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:38,760 trance in your readings, but it's probably been so quick that you don't. 429 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:44,760 But that's okay, because in that moment in time, that's very powerful. 430 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:51,440 It's very powerful. I don't look upon my trance mediumship development as something that 431 00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:55,239 I necessarily want to put out to the public and charge them for right do 432 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:59,079 it for me, and I just do it because I just love being that 433 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,760 energy in the presence of those guides. Do you do that just in person 434 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:08,159 or do you have a transclassor you I do it in person. I was 435 00:35:08,199 --> 00:35:13,400 doing it online. I'll probably start up an online one later this year. 436 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,960 I'll probably do a series, you know, just a weekly thing get on 437 00:35:17,079 --> 00:35:21,679 Zoom where we can get people into trance. I definitely do want to do 438 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,440 that, but it was silly not to make the opportunity of being able to 439 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:30,119 sit in person again of another We can leave me a couple of questions. 440 00:35:30,119 --> 00:35:35,360 I just wanted to put here an time, says Lee. Everyone Lie said 441 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,360 everyone has the ability to be a medium. How to identify it and any 442 00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:44,639 suggestions I'm developing the abilities or how would someone know necessarily? Okay, so 443 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:51,000 you would if you are able to possibly hear voices, hear things, that 444 00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:54,239 would be your clear audience. That's got to be a dead person speaking to 445 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:58,480 you, because to hear something, someone's got to speak. So maybe you 446 00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:02,440 do hear sounds, right, but also just a discernment. So you might 447 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,679 be someone who's very sensitive, you know, feeling differences in energy, which 448 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,920 mean that you are very open and sensitive almost feeling the presence, feeling the 449 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,000 presence. Or you might be someone who might even perceive the spirit world, 450 00:36:16,639 --> 00:36:22,400 either objectively with your eyes or inside your mind. Most people who are untrained 451 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,880 will actually see spirit objectively with their eyes and when they develop it, it 452 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:34,760 becomes internal. So you know, for a lot of people are naturally medimistic, 453 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,239 they fully aware of the fact that they can discern the spirital so they 454 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,639 know that's a no brainer. But I feel you know, if you've never 455 00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,079 done a day of mediumship in your life before, you've had no interest, 456 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:52,119 but you feel this desire to develop it. All it takes is a thought 457 00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:57,519 to the spirit world. I would like to develop my mediumship. Would you 458 00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:01,599 please work with me? Spirit will meet you and then the hard work starts. 459 00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:07,199 Actually you know, so what you want to do is sit with regularity. 460 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,079 One of the key ways to start your journey before even taking a class, 461 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,079 is to learn how to meditate, because you need to learn to be 462 00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:21,400 able to go quiet because it is within the silence and the quietness that the 463 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:27,599 spiritual communicates with us. So that's a key thing over there. And something 464 00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:31,920 you know that doesn't get spoken about enough is self healing. I feel the 465 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:38,880 self healing journey is on the part of importance with your mediumship development journey because 466 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:44,360 it is holding onto your own stuff that you need yield all your own stuff. 467 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,440 When you connect mediumistically, all your stuff comes up, right Scott, 468 00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:55,360 All your inhibitions, your self confidence issues, all comes up, and that's 469 00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,239 what you've got to really yield. So I would say focus on your own 470 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:05,239 healing. That will set you up for success much faster for your mediumship development. 471 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,880 All you've got to do both together, So it's healing meditation. Once 472 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,280 you can do that, you can learn to be quiet. Then you just 473 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,639 need to learn the process of engaging them. There's a few techniques that you 474 00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:22,719 can understand this kind of a process which will set you up for success. 475 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,400 And then it's the journey. You know, it's kin't doing it over and 476 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:31,360 over and just developing yourself and you have a mediumship one class? Is that? 477 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:37,199 Is that appropriate for people who are just Yeah? So I've got an 478 00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:42,880 in person class which is a two day in August. Oh, it's an 479 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,519 impression. Yeah, Actually it's in July, so that one, you know, 480 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:49,320 you can come in, you can learn the basic technique. But that's 481 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,039 just an introductory class. It's not enough time. So those mediums w need 482 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:59,440 to go and set in circle somewhere. My favorite way of developing mediums, 483 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:04,440 which I think has been so profound and so effective, has been my online 484 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,159 mentoring. So I've got an eight week beginner mentoring program. So that will 485 00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:14,719 take someone who doesn't know a thing brand new in eight weeks will get you 486 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:19,159 to that place where you should be able to do a basic reeting. And 487 00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:22,400 then for those who've got more experience, you know, that would be the 488 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,960 twelve group class. But in the eight weeks, I think, you know 489 00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:30,880 what I love about it is I had more than enough time to work with 490 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:35,800 people because it's a group class on a Monday night online, so you feel 491 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,679 like you're part of a group and you work in a group circle and then 492 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:44,800 it's individual but access to the training platform. But then you've got to do 493 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,639 it. This is key, right, This is the one thing people don't 494 00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:51,239 want to do is to practice it. Got to go and do their eating 495 00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:53,559 recorded. I watched it. I give a review and then one on one 496 00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:59,400 mentoring, so it's almost like a group class but also a private class or 497 00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:05,000 maild into one. You know, that ends with a beautiful symphony of spirit 498 00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:08,719 communication at the end. So I love teaching that. I think that's one 499 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:14,519 of the best classes I have. I've put that training into place because I 500 00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:19,480 decided I want you to teach a class the way I've always wanted to be 501 00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:23,480 taught. And I hope I deliver that to the students. I think I 502 00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:30,599 do because I've seen excellence in mediumship like I've never seen before. Some of 503 00:40:30,639 --> 00:40:34,719 the mediums who study with me are far better than me. The mediums are 504 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,639 phenomenal. You know. It's so sad that people only really pay attention to 505 00:40:39,679 --> 00:40:46,440 the television or celebrity mediums because the best mediumship is in your neighborhood. I've 506 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:52,480 seen mediumship. No one I know at Arthur Finney College can touch some of 507 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:57,800 these people because it's that great. You know, we all have this potential, 508 00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,639 you know, so you think we are have the potential to be great. 509 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,639 And I say this like, you know, you can teach me to 510 00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:07,400 play the piano, but I may not get pass silent mate, do you 511 00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,840 know what I mean? You know, to be a great medium, it's 512 00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,480 like the presence of your spirit mind? What keeps you separate from that? 513 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,760 If you work hard at it, you should be a What is a great 514 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:24,320 medium? Someone who can bring in all aspects of the spirit person identifiers, 515 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:31,480 but also bring through their presence and their essence right the full personality to allow 516 00:41:31,519 --> 00:41:36,920 the person to feel as if their mom or their grandmother is present in the 517 00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:42,239 room. That takes time to develop. And what will stop you from getting 518 00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:47,599 yourself to that is lack of practice, lack of self confidence. And it's 519 00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:52,800 going to have something to do with your healing. If you saw God healing 520 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:57,559 healing, stuff you need yield is what's standing in your way to your development. 521 00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:02,800 That's the biggest problem that we have. Some people are just really, 522 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:07,320 really connected in a strong way. So for example, if someone is objectively 523 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:12,880 clear audience, they can simply repeat the information. It's so easy that only 524 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,480 to even try it. But there's very few people like that. So what 525 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:21,280 is a great medium really, Scott? What would you consider great mediumship? 526 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:28,159 I feel great mediumship is evidentially and for you to be able to bring the 527 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,719 spiritual to life for the citter where they feel that full presence and essence that 528 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,880 spirit is allowed to touch in on the citter. You know that they feel 529 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:43,159 that presence, that they feel the healing power of mediumship. And in my 530 00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,559 view, that's a great medium. You can be someone who will bring in 531 00:42:46,639 --> 00:42:51,840 like evidence, all visual all these visuals. Oh yes, that's right, 532 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:55,199 that's right, that's right, But you can't bring their essence into your reading, 533 00:42:55,519 --> 00:43:01,639 their personality, the sense of them. It's not a good reading, 534 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:07,320 even though you can wow someone with some specific facts. But if it's cold 535 00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:13,199 reading, then no, if there's no emotion attached, do you think that 536 00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:19,119 the sitters any bearing on that? And and but let me explain to you 537 00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:23,400 what I mean. You get some people that come in um either they're skeptical 538 00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,440 and they're you know, they're trying to trick you or see if you even 539 00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,280 if they're not trying to trick you, if they're trying to see and they're 540 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,039 just not gonna you know, there's this wall up. Or even someone in 541 00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:37,360 intense grief. I wonder sometimes if they're capable of it, you know, 542 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:42,800 if it's a recent death, you know what I mean. I wonder some 543 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,599 some readings are so wonderful and you do capture that emotion, the feeling, 544 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:54,519 that the essence, like you're saying that person and others it's almost like they're 545 00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:58,400 standing over there. I can tell you they're there. I'll tell you what 546 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,639 they're telling me. But it's not the same, do you know what I 547 00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:04,559 mean? There's a wall. There's a wall, and I'm not sure who's 548 00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:07,239 got the wall. Sometimes they think it's the center. Well, Yeah's the 549 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,719 thing, you know, with spirit communication, we are not doing a psychic 550 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,159 reading, so we are not reading the energy of the sitter. We are 551 00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:20,159 creating this link over here, so it's not like they're blocking us psychically. 552 00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:24,000 But everything is energetic. You bring your energy into the room. Now we 553 00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:29,360 are working with a high vibration. We're in that place and you have a 554 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:35,280 sitter who's energies a little bit off the doubting Thomas's they're going to question everything. 555 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:40,039 The person who only wants to hear from one particular person and no one 556 00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:45,920 else. Their energy is a lower vibration energy in trains to each other, 557 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:52,719 So they're lower vibration in trains to us. That automatically happens. Then what 558 00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:57,719 happens is our vibration gets a little bit lower, and then our vibration trains 559 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,239 back to then and there's gets a little bit lower. So the energy definitely 560 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:06,239 affects it. But also what is the energy that the person brings into the 561 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:12,800 room. You know, I speak about feedback. You can have a citrus 562 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:20,480 going no, you know, disinterested. That's that's negative energy. You know, 563 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,000 that's low kind of energy, you know, and I feel that does 564 00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:30,440 affect the reading and our connection because it drops everything. You know, your 565 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:35,199 words carry energy, the way you say things carry energy. So if someone's 566 00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:37,440 going to come in with that kind of attitude, they will definitely affect the 567 00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:42,119 energy. It's almost like they're pushing you away right when you're try and link 568 00:45:42,159 --> 00:45:45,119 to their loved one. It's it's true, and I don't think they want 569 00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,000 and oftentimes they're not trying to, you know what I mean, They're just 570 00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:52,440 so it's almost like tunnel vision. That's not my mother. Let's say, 571 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:55,559 as an example, you're actually reading their aunt and you've got the essence of 572 00:45:55,559 --> 00:46:00,440 their aunt, but they can't see it because they're just so fixed. Someone 573 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:04,440 complain about one of the students the other day. I watched the reading. 574 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:10,239 She was he was getting stuff and the citter was like, m I don't 575 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:15,360 know. And then two other friends came through and she's like, well, 576 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:20,800 why would they even come? You know. It's like I was looking at 577 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,920 this and was like, oh my god. Minutes later, with all this 578 00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:27,840 disinterest, the medium said, I'm sorry, I can't connect for you. 579 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:32,280 Thank you so much. Then next thing I see, she goes on to 580 00:46:32,639 --> 00:46:38,519 one of the social media pages and this was waiting forty years to year from 581 00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:44,840 her father. Everything was spot on. Her friends came through that she's been 582 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:49,559 dying to year from, and suddenly he just decided to cancel the reading, 583 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,519 and I was like, are you kidding me? On the same page, 584 00:46:54,199 --> 00:47:00,800 this was like two different readings, you know. And then I actually asked 585 00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,480 to speak with her, and I could feel the energy and I could understand 586 00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:08,079 why it was the struggle. But the thing is that was affecting the reading, 587 00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:13,599 affecting the medium's connection. If you're getting all the spot on evidence, 588 00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:17,039 how about yes, Oh my god, yes that's correct. No, that's 589 00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:22,119 not right. You know, in the way that you said you infuse your 590 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,280 energy, I wish that its were more aware of the energy. Right. 591 00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:30,400 I feel mediums sacred, right, it's a sacred experience. It is, 592 00:47:30,559 --> 00:47:35,280 it is. I'll tall an interesting story. And I've said this before if 593 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,079 I said it on the show. I was in Indiana the end of April 594 00:47:38,079 --> 00:47:42,679 and I was doing a gallery with another medium, and she picked up on 595 00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,519 this man in the back of the room and she said, you're a skeptic. 596 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:51,920 Kind of sat there all smug and smiled, and you know, when 597 00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:54,360 I started reading, and I picked up on this woman and I gave her. 598 00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:59,599 I was giving the room the details about you know, she's got her 599 00:47:59,639 --> 00:48:01,760 hair up and curlas she'd never leave the house unless her hair was done. 600 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,800 She just was so proud of who she was, and towards the end of 601 00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,920 her life she would never take photos of herself. Interestingly enough, her her 602 00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:15,599 lipstick was outside the lines and she used to collect coat buttons, and you've 603 00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:19,840 got them. You saved your copa. You've got her box of copa. 604 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,679 Okay, that's pretty specific, right, Yeah, And you could hear the 605 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:28,320 crickets in the room. You could hear the crickets. After it was over, 606 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:32,480 his wife, who was with him, said, excuse me, excuse 607 00:48:32,519 --> 00:48:36,559 me, you had his grandmother. But he wasn't going to say anything. 608 00:48:37,519 --> 00:48:38,679 I said, who, And so you told me? And I said, 609 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:43,440 well, why didn't you say something? Well, you know, I mean 610 00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,480 I do have her box of coat buttons, and I do it. You 611 00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,519 know, it was all right, But he wasn't going to say anything. 612 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:57,800 So he says, well, does she have a message? He's gone left 613 00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:04,559 the station, you know. But I stuff like that happens too. Is 614 00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:08,480 They sit there almost like yeah, do you know? I don't understand it. 615 00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:14,159 Honestly, it actually makes me angry to be honest with you, because 616 00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:16,199 I let you drown there, you know, and you look like you're an 617 00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:20,840 idiot, and then you know, afterwards they might want to come to you 618 00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:25,840 secretly. By the way I understood that. It's like, really, folks, 619 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,760 everyone else who was still in the wrong. I don't know why. 620 00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,000 You know, I've had weird responses, you know, where someone wouldn't take 621 00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:37,480 something, and I thought I was going crazy. And I was very upset 622 00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:39,559 that night because I had a bad night. It affected my energy and then 623 00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:44,719 I struggled during the demonstration. Afterwards, the blow comes up to me and 624 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,599 he says, oh, yeah, I'm sorry. I could take everything. 625 00:49:46,639 --> 00:49:50,119 I said, well, why didn't you say so? You let me look 626 00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:52,559 like a fool, and he said, well, she only died two days 627 00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:57,199 ago, so I wasn't ready. It's like, what the hell You've come 628 00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:07,159 to speak to dead people? She's dead. It's so true. You know, 629 00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,199 I gotta keep us saying to humans, Scott, we do Lee. 630 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,719 I know you're not gonna believe this. We only have four minutes left to 631 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,599 this show. True, it's always the quickest. I want to give people 632 00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:23,159 an opportunity just to find out how they can reach you, because I know 633 00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,239 a lot of people that watch this. I had a reading last week because 634 00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,159 of someone that watched the show. So I would love for people to wait, 635 00:50:30,159 --> 00:50:36,639 wait, wait, we have an audience. Both of my friends are 636 00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:42,079 on every week. One of them is my co host. Watched once for 637 00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:46,000 five minutes. How can people get a hold of you? Lee and your 638 00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:52,719 website and everything. All right, So I've got two websites, Lee van 639 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:58,480 Zile Spiritual dot com. That's my personal website and you can see all the 640 00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:05,519 classes on that website. But also the school website is Montclair Psychic School dot 641 00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:09,599 com. Perfect. Yeah, and I and honestly, and I'm and I'm 642 00:51:09,639 --> 00:51:14,320 saying this to be because I've taken your class. I cannot recommend you enough. 643 00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:20,639 You are you. You have the most thorough program I've ever seen. 644 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,119 I mean you literally cover everything. Yeah, yeah, you truly truly do 645 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:29,000 you cover it all? And I wanted to Yes, it was great. 646 00:51:29,039 --> 00:51:30,960 When do you start up again? Is it in the Yeah, we're starting 647 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:36,599 a beginner on September eleventh, and then I think a week later, a 648 00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:39,960 week earlier, we're doing the twelve week Advanced. I always feel bad because 649 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,519 you do ask for people to come on and set, and it's usually during 650 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,400 this show. Really yeah, and I and I and I'd say, oh, 651 00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,800 I'd love to go and you know, and just be part of it, 652 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,480 you know, because yeah, I mean I would love to do that. 653 00:51:52,639 --> 00:51:58,519 And I'm always here, so um, maybe maybe maybe we'll see what 654 00:51:58,559 --> 00:52:01,280 happens in the fall. I know, I had. I always remember that 655 00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,880 reading you did for me with that friend of mine have got murdered. That 656 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,559 was pretty intense, emblazoned in my energy. Feel I will never forget that 657 00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:15,639 reading. And you know, um, I don't know that I've ever I 658 00:52:15,679 --> 00:52:17,400 don't know if I told you this truly, but it was like watching the 659 00:52:17,559 --> 00:52:22,679 seeing play in front of me. And I don't know that I get that 660 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,320 that often like that, you know, it was like watching a movie and 661 00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,119 seeing this man get murdered. I mean it was. It was intense. 662 00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:36,440 And then we were at his house with his mother and his sister. But 663 00:52:36,639 --> 00:52:42,280 you see, we are all capable of having these shining moments of amazing mediumship, 664 00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,679 right, But that that reading over there, that was like just something 665 00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,559 I'll always remember. Thank you, well, thank you, and thanks for 666 00:52:50,599 --> 00:52:53,320 the opportunity to do it. You know, because there is such a thing 667 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:57,039 we call imposter syndrome. I don't know if you're aware of it. Oh 668 00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:04,320 yeah, every day have these doubts. But then you say, but then 669 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,519 how did I do that? You know, you know what I mean, 670 00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:10,079 how did I bring that person through? And it's it's it's amazing, It 671 00:53:10,159 --> 00:53:17,480 is amazing, And every class you take every experience you have increases your confidence 672 00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:22,000 level yes and yes, and gets you better and better. I mean, 673 00:53:22,039 --> 00:53:23,800 I remember when I first started, Oh my god, I would be nervous. 674 00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,920 I would be I'd be a nervous wreck before Oh my god, I 675 00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,639 would throw up. Yeah, I would throw up. Now I don't, 676 00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:36,440 I don't get as kind of nervous with it. It just kind of organically 677 00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:39,800 happens and so and you learn that you can trust them, you know that 678 00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:44,199 they continue. That's the biggest channel is telling us that we have less than 679 00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:49,400 thirty seconds now, right, we do? We do. I just want 680 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,280 to say goodbye everyone, Thank you everyone, wonderful summer. Thank you Lee 681 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,920 for being here. It's been an absolute pleasure you. Julie, thank you. 682 00:53:55,960 --> 00:54:00,320 Scott great to me, Julie, thank you so much. Leave and 683 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:05,280 still have a wonderful summer. We'll see you all in the fall. By 684 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:12,519 now, you have been listening to The Paranormal Project with Scott Allen and Julie 685 00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:16,320 Finn. Be sure to subscribe so you don't miss the next episode. While 686 00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:20,840 you're there, leave us a rating and review so others can find out about 687 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:25,280 the show. Stay haunted and go out there and explore the paranormal,