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Discourse. What we're gonna talk about
today is the Kyrie iring stuff with regards

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the bubble. We're going to get
to Bar's opinions on whether he thinks relative

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to knowing that, yes, the
league is going to restart. So if

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we're just set on that and we
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how do you feel about the way
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what he thinks about Kyrie kind of
spearheading the messaging of whether players should actually

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report to Disney World or not to
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to show up and then use that
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though, the meat and potatoes of
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teams that are not going to Disney
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each one moving forward. It could
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offseason, but they're also sort of
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things that were we're curious on.
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talk some hoops with Jabari Davis from
the Dunks and Discords Pod. Jabari,

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this seems like a loaded question,
obviously given everything that's going on, But

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but how are you doing? I
mean, yea, we we kind of

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spoke about it in the pre show. I'm doing as well as anybody can

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be expected, you know, with
everything that's going on. As you just

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alluded to right now, being healthy
and being safe is about it is about

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as much as I can asked for. How about your self? Yeah,

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I'm the same. I'm with you. It's I feel stupid asking people how

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they are during this time, But
then it's like you can't be rude and

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not not ask them, and so
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I'm glad to hear that you're doing
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the same well as can be,
as well as can be relative to everything

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that's going on about One of the
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is the NBA's bubble is the Bubble
protocol, and Disney World is getting a

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lot more I don't want to say
pushback. It seems like a lot more

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new elements to it, or new
twists and turns. Maybe we should have

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expected as we get a little bit
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out with the plan, that you
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details. We'd make fun of some
of the protocols or luxuries like them having

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personal DJs within the Disney World bubble
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it has there's the conversation has expanded, and maybe that was a natural point,

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particularly with the COVID cases in Florida
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wanted to get your, first off, your impression of the restart protocol in

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Disney World now that we have,
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million pages, whatever it was,
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I'm just knowing that the league is
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I think we can I don't know
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if you want to talk about whether
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safety was actually the number one priority, they would not be. But I

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think, insofar as we look at
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wondering, what, then, your
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bubble and everything that goes into it. Well, I mean, of course

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it's complex. The reality is this. Look, it's a business decision,

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right, you know, and it's
one that clearly comes with significant risk.

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your players or tweet at or about
players being spoiled millionaires. They're people first,

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you know, So for the players, the coaches and staffers, your

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park employees, it's all a calculated
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from a business respective, And that's
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necessarily comfortable with just you know,
being you know, being frank about but

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you know, the money and the
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you know, with the more situation
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of the all of this that has
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you know, the revenue that has
been lost over the last few months,

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as well as you know, the
potential for the you know, for the

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at least the threat of owners taking
this opportunity to you know, tear up

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the current CBA. This is a
situation. This is a situation where they

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have everybody has to get back to
business. Now. I'm not being calloused

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in any way and saying like,
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over money over player safety, but
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That's what's taking place here, and
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important to remember that the players want
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just the money grabbed by the owners. However, I will say, and

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Brian Winhorse has mentioned this a couple
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than I am, obviously, but
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to be taking a hit doing this
because and that it's almost a favorite of

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the players because they're re cooping about
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The one thing I want to make
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the owners because even if they are
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skeptical that they actually will, they're
reinvesting at the bare minimum again in the

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future of the league, because you
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close to a year or something without
basketball and you have all these things happen,

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not just you know, if the
NFL season goes on, but we're

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gonna have the election in November.
You don't want people to forget about the

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NBA. And so they're reinvesting in
the future of their game. And I

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think it's it's a money grant from
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I don't like when it's spun that
like, oh well, like the owners

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are just going to be like if
the inclination is to defend the billionaires and

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all this, it's the same thing
with MLB. It baffles me. Yeah,

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I've never quite understood that, and
that's why I let you That's why

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I kind of came out the gates
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situation. You know, once you've
acknowledged that, once you have that acknowledgement

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out of the way, you know, like, I really don't have an

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issue with the attempt, but we
have to just be honest about what this

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is. Look, I'm going to
reference something that I just found on Twitter,

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and forgive me for doing this,
but it's related breaking. This is

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this is about Florida. Another record
day in Florida added. They added four

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thousand, forty nine new COVID nineteen
cases overnight. That's a twelve point three

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six percent positivity rate. So I
say that knowing that these are these are

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the circumstances. Now I will I
will admit if I were a player.

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The one red flag, the biggest
red flag that I still have, is

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the report that came out that certain
park employees that are going to be directly

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associated with the event won't be mandated
to you know, won't be mandated to

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stay in the bubble or get tested
with regularity. And to me, that

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actually just makes no sense, right
because then you're poking holes holes in the

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bubble and it's not a bubble at
all. And look, you know,

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we could talk about how players make
millions of dollars, but the employees,

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like you can't even I'm not going
to knock them for leaving the bubble,

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like to ask them to live in
a bubble for that long when they're not

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making nearly as much. And technically, if we're being honest, the Disney

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employees and the NBA players should be
getting like hazard pay or something because of

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the risk that they're all I'm subjecting
themselves too, even if it's willingly.

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I don't care that we saw the
report that Disney employees have volunteered to stay

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in the bubble, Like, okay, great, Like there's still the working

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class. They should be getting hazard
paying. It's just the same with the

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NBA in general, because they are
the players are taking a risk. And

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so I'm with you, that's the
biggest thing. And I'm not an epidemiologist.

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And I know that a few of
them have come out and complimented the

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the NBA's plan, and I guess
spun it as it's as safe, I

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guess as can possibly be. And
I'm you know, that's great, But

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I still don't understand, as you
brought up, allowing so many people to

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leave the bubble and then not at
the bare minimum, subjecting them to the

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same daily testing that the NBA players
are going to get. Yeah, And

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to that point, you're exactly right. It shouldn't even be It shouldn't even

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be left up to them, the
volunteer. They should be absolutely compensated in

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advanced it should be. Hey,
look, we recognize the risk that you're

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going to be taken compared to the
risk that the you know that the athletes

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are going to be taken, and
it's still the same risk. So let's

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go ahead and take care of these
folks. To be honest with you,

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if we if the owners and the
athletes are being taken care of, why

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wouldn't you take care of the common
man that's absolutely making the same type of

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sacrifice. Now, this will put
you on the spot a little bit because

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I didn't mention this in the pre
questions that I sent you. But was

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there anything that came out like going
towards the more hysterical side of the luxuries

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or some of the way that the
structures that you just found absolutely ridiculous,

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like you know, the way they're
going to wash the balls, anything to

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do with the hotels or anything that
just stuck out. You saw it and

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you were like, okay, wow, this is just upsturt. You know,

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I'm gonna be honest with you.
The only thing that was absurd about

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it is the fact that we found
out about it, and in my opinion,

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that's the owners. That's the owners
putting that stuff out there in order

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to continue to apply pressure to the
players. And I thought that was a

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little bit gross. Uh, you
know, any any any time the players,

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like any time the players wanted to
even even discuss something, it was

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immediately out there. And I get
that, you know, they telling themselves

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as well. But when I saw
the owners basically putting it out there so

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that the public can say, hey, look they're getting this, they're getting

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that, they're getting this, what
are they complaining about? I wasn't comfortable

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with that. And I know that
that probably doesn't bother a lot of people,

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but I'm going to be honest with
you, it's exactly along the line

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of the types of games that is, you know that that establishments have been

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playing and playing us for a long
period of time. Yeah, there's the

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information that reporters get, both from
players and owners is just absolutely mind bomb

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man. Like I'm at the point
where like like shams and woe drawn these

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player only calls right, like they're
just the way I think JJ Reddick said

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it on Bill Simmons' podcast recently where
he he was, like Shams was tweeting

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verbatim what was said on the zoom
call. He's got to be there just

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recording it and then tweeting it out
afterwards. That's absolutely ridiculous in my mind.

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Maybe part of the leagus two is
they want to see the public response

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because there's an optical element of all
this, and so if you get pushed

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back on certain things, maybe you
could go back and adjust. But I

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also tend to lean more towards you
where it's the owners also want to put

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pressure on the players, which is
again ab certain itself. The thing mind's

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a little bit more lighter. But
the thing that I still find absolutely ridiculous

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slash hysterical is it's mean that they're
inviting the Wizards and the Sun's back just

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to basically, you know, being
quarantined and then have to be jettisoned before

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their way, before their families and
friends would even be eligible to come.

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And now you're gonna make them stay
at at the yacht club, which is

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look for me, someone like me, that's fine, But they actually determine

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the quality of hotel amenities basically by
seating in the standings. That is,

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like, can we at least appreciate
that a little? Like that's the time

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that we're in. Is that you
now the place that you're staying was determined

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by how much you won or lost
during what was played during the regular season

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so far. I'm gonna be honest, that's a little bit gross, but

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I actually get it like that,
Like, so basically it's this. They

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obviously didn't have the accommodations for everybody
to stay, you stay equally. How

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else? How else are you going
to break it down? You know what

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I'm saying, Like, how how
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you know, you can't just say, like what, hey we like the

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Lakers. Hey we like Hey,
we like this team. So I you

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know, it may not be as
clean as it as figuratively, may not

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be as clean as it should be. But I get having to, you

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know, having to break things down, you know, to you know,

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to things of that nature. The
other thing I want to ask you about

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it, and I phrase it as, were you at all surprised by the

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reaction to Kyrie spearheading the push for
players to sit out so they could remain

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At the four of the protests against
police brutality and racial inequality, and I

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think, really I should have phrased
it diferently because it's definitely not a surprise.

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I more just wanted your own reaction
to it, because it does seem

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even if you don't like the messenger, because I know Kyrie has become a

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meme and for you know, for
some in some ways like he's deserved it

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on certain things, but this is
not one of them. When the message

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is so clearly legitimate, and you
have other players like in Avery, Bradley,

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Lou Williams, Dwight Howard, They're
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I don't understand, like the inability
to grasp it or where are people just

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so insecure about their sports getting threatened
that they just don't even want to listen.

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I would want to know whether you
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the players should do. I'll never
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it at least is a legitimate conversation, and that he's speaking for a minority

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of players, but a large minority
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don't understand. I guess I was
a little bit taken about back about how

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widespread the resistance was to the to
the stance that he took. Well,

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you've got a combination of things going
on here, and we just need to

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be honest about it. You know, whether it's fair or not, credibility

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of the messenger is always going to
be factored in. And I'm not saying,

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you know, I'm not saying one
way or the other. I'm not

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begging anybody to, you know,
love Kyrie as a person or as a

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player or anything or anything, but
I will. But it is important to

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acknowledge the credibility of the messenger was
always factored in, especially when you're dealing

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with something so significant. You know, Kyrie raised some absolutely legitimate points,

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and you know he clearly has other
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But if a majority of this or
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your motives are disingenuous, then that
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And we saw that it clearly,
did you know. I talked to Josh

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about this on our show, and
you know, that's the most unfortunate aspect

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of it. But it's also a
reality nonetheless, Yeah, and I think

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your point about the messengers is like
the most salient one of all. And

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that's, by the way, this
is another instance where like the leaks that

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are coming out of the group conversations
with nets players, whether that was actually

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like did it actually happen? But
do you have Taylor Rooks of Bleach Reports

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saying that Kyrie left the chat after
that leak came out, and so it

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it adds a layer of legitimacy to
it. And that's just another thing where

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it's like, not everything needs to
be leaked so quickly. Like I'm scold

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the owners too, but like,
if those are your teammates actually doing that,

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that's actually wild to me. They
either lie it on them or they

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or they or they or they told
on them, and either way that's all

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bad. Man. That's like,
if I'm Kyrie, regardless of whether it

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was true or not, I'm leaving
that chat because like at that point I

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realized, oh, I can't trust
these folks. They may be teammates for

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now, but I cannot trust these
guys. And and I'm going to go

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ahead and step on out. But
you know what, I should have also

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mentioned the second part of this because
it is a combination of things. The

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second part of this, and a
lot of the ritual role, is the

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part that, again we don't like
to acknowledge, we're also bored, We're

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also restless, We're also frustrated and
collectively tired. We you know, we

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we want the NBA back, we
need d NBA back, and and and

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I know that sounds selfish, but
I'm acknowledging what a lot of people just

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don't want to say. So we're
willing to move certain goals posts in order

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to be more comfortable with things.
I'm not judging anyone because, like I

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said, I'm right alongside, and
I'm I'm actively raising my hand right now.

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I'm just willing to acknowledge that that's
that that is playing into a lot

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of people's reactions, right And it's
easy for me to, you know,

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say, the players should do whatever
they want. But if basketball comes back,

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and I would probably lean towards I
think that they could probably I still

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don't honestly know what the right call
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like, yeah, they don't want
to play, they don't want to play.

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But if basketball comes back and it
looks like it's going to I'm going

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to watch it, I'm going to
cover it. So it's just and it's

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it's going to interest me. It's
I mean, it's it's the Hong Kong

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stuff all over again, where we
have to acknowledge how hypocritical we can be.

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Because yeah, I'm gonna applaud Daryl
Murray for coming out and speaking in

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favor of of civil rights. But
at the same time, I recorded that

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podcast from a mac mac Book pro
and like where mac book prow's mate,

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So it's like this is sort of
something similar. But I'm wondering in your

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opinion specifically, do you lean one
way or the other on whether the players

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could send more of a message during
this time by not playing or by using

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the platform they'd have in Disney to
continue drawing attention to the to the racial

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injustice and the protests. Well,
I do want to stay for the record

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that I don't fault anybody, you
know, anybody that's of the opinion that

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staying away would be the best thing. If that's what you genuinely believe,

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then that's fine. I don't necessary
align with it specifically because I think,

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you know, because I think if
you like, if you stay away,

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While that's will be a story for
a couple of minutes, the rest of

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the league will be playing and they
people will absolutely be focusing on that and

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not on what you're saying. But
I'd really like to I'd really like to

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see the players as well as the
league as what I'd like to see everybody

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use this platform and not just to
maintain the momentum, but to spread it

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significantly further, you know, like
beyond gestures like putting Black Lives Matter on

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the floor on jerseys or things of
that nature that we've seen, you know,

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kind of thrown out there on Twitter, you know, which would be

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a nice wink or nod, you
know, to the moment, I'd like

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to see players in the league and
owners combine, you know, combine their

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platforms and resources and not only shine
a light on this situation, but also

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initiate boards and projects and funds aimed
at further support of both individuals and neighborhoods

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perpetually impacted by systemic by systemic racism
and injustice. You know, like as

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we I kind of alluded to you
earlier, like I've been asked repeatedly like

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what is a win? You know, what is it? What does it

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look like when when if we you
know, have when if we progress enough

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to you know, like to you
know, to get back to sports.

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I don't necessarily know that there's there's
this a magic button that you can push

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there, or like there's a you
know, there's a marker for that.

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But I will stay the win to
me really is just you know, the

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main maintaining this, continuing this,
and just making sure that we don't lose

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sight of it, regardless of whether
we're playing or not. One thing clear,

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I agree with you on everything you
just said, and I think the

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one concern I have if everyone is
playing is what are can they do something

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that won't be ignored because it's you
know, it can't be protesting during the

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national anthem. I thought maybe even
a really what, in my opinion,

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what would be maybe a powerful gesture
would be to not have the national anthem

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at the start of games. But
then that's putting as maybe as like part

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of whatever the NBA and the players
collectively decided they can do. Maybe it's

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part of it that works, but
that's something that I think is too easily

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tuned out. You know, you
don't have to tune into the beginning of

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games, and so it needs to
be something and I don't know what this

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is, but to me, it
needs to be something that is happening during

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the broadcast, whether you're having players
who aren't in the bubble on the broadcast

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with the announcers talking about this,
whether you're having activists on there as well.

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That it needs to be something that
people can't ignore, because yes,

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you're going to have all these eyes
on you, and so I would lean

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towards I think that you can send
a bigger message against systemic racism while in

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the bubble. But at the same
time, I don't know what you can

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do that will ensure that the message
comes across and it's smack smack at deb

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in the middle of people's faces.
Because there are certain things that again you

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pointed out, like you know,
you could put Black Lives Matter on the

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on the floors, that's a nice
link it or nod, but it needs

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to be something that's just more in
our faces. I don't know what that

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is, but I'm of the belief
that if you put enough of the creative

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minds together between the players and the
league itself, they'll come up with something.

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And one of the things you mentioned
that I think would actually help is

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whether teams got their responses right or
wrong to Black Lives matter. That the

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protests that we're going on, we
saw a lot of cookie cutter ones.

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We know that the Knicks are a
ship organization. Still we saw the Wizards

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did a great job. It would
I think it would mean more, at

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least from my end, if you
do have the owners collectively like coming out

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and supporting their players where it's not
just the organization because we know, we

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know that some of these guys who
were in control of these NBA teams,

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we know how they voted, or
we know where their political stances are going

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to be. But this really shouldn't
be a political matter when you think about

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it. And so if there's something
that you know between these I even hate

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calling them owners that like these team
chairmen, these governors, whatever, if

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there's something that could be done where
it's clear that they're aligned with their players,

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that might send a bigger message than
doing anything that's already been done,

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or like you said, just those
sort of winking a nod gestures. You're

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right, Like it's funny because we've
seen this in the NFL. They most

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of the NFL owners did not speak
out like they're they're hiding behind the shield.

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They're hiding behind Oh hey, we
we released a mass, a mass

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message. I would love to see
that as well. I would love to

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see them not standing and you're not
standing physically, you're like, you know,

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like for a photo op, but
standing up and actually you know,

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taking action at this time, we
you with their with their players, not

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just you know, you know,
not just releasing a statement or as you

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know, like you know, as
you alluded to, like some some cookie

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cutter message, actually putting some action
behind those words. That's why I said

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specifically actual projects in your you're within
communities, within neighborhoods, funding you're like

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you're funding funding restorative your projects.
I think how it like you said,

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get enough creative minds, because I
certainly don't have all of the answers,

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and we're not going to know,
we're not going to we're not going to

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quote unquote eliminate racism on this fifty
minute pop Neal podcast. But if you

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give enough collective minds and enough folks
with you're with an unlimited amount of a

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relatively unlimited amount of resources together,
I would imagine you can come up with

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something if you truly are interested in
making a difference, right, And I

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really do hope that whatever they do
decide like there is an element of it

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that's happening during the games, because
I've even the ideas that players might address

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it during you know, their virtual
postgame pressers, that that's spectacular, they

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should do it. That's so like
people are you know, people are going

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to be watching what's happening on the
court and self no matter what. So

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that's what I'm hoping they ultimately are
able to figure out. I think that's

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a really good point because that's actually
something that I hadn't even considered that,

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you know, like the difference,
and not that I hadn't considered it,

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I just hadn't. Yeah, well
I guess yeah, I having considered people

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will absolutely tune out if you do
postgame pressers, they're gonna get the people

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that the people that you need that
message to get across to. They're the

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ones they're going to tune out.
Right, you and I will. You

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and I are going to listen because
we're interested in this, but but we

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aren't necessarily the posts that need to
be targeted at this time. So now

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that I think that's an excellent point
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experts. Are you ready to talk
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though, I'm certainly going to try. Yes. So I'm bringing you on

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because I want to the teams that
are not in the bubble and so full

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disclosure. I was just sending you
We're going to tackle the biggest question facing

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each of the team. Eight teams
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full disclosure. When I sent you
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Suns instead of the Timberwolves. So
I'm still apparently crapping all over the Phoenix

406
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,519
Suns, who look Washington and Phoenix
should not be in the bubble, were

407
00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:38,079
invited to that. I just don't
think they have enough of a statistical chance

408
00:24:38,079 --> 00:24:41,400
for those games to matter. They
get in a situation where they lose two

409
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,519
straight games, it's effectively over.
But look, they're there. So I

410
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:47,440
apologize to Suns fans. I'm telling
on myself here, but it was just

411
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,480
so egregious because I didn't even realize
it after I sent it. It was

412
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:52,599
this It was like an hour before
we recorded, and I was looking at

413
00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:56,119
the email and I was like,
I included the Suns on the list of

414
00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,440
non bubble teams. That makes absolutely
zero sense. So yeah, I think

415
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,880
you're being yourself up or nothing,
because like, let's keep it really and

416
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,880
you know what, I've got plenty
of your friends and family that are actually

417
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:10,279
sign as fans. They all know
the deal. They all they all know

418
00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:11,640
that. Honestly, they're probably hoping, well, I hope, I hope

419
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,640
they still talk about him because because
they're going to want to know in two

420
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,160
weeks or you know, two weeks
after you know they return accent any now,

421
00:25:19,039 --> 00:25:22,799
So did you want to start with
your cool is going out to go

422
00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:25,200
on to alphabetical order? Is there
a team in particular you wanted to start

423
00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,839
with. You are the guests,
so it's guests choice. It's all good.

424
00:25:26,839 --> 00:25:30,680
We can go right down the list. You had Atlanta first. I've

425
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,599
got notes on Atlanta. All right, So what is your biggest question for

426
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,160
the Atlanta Hawks? I think I
think you hit it on the head.

427
00:25:37,279 --> 00:25:38,920
It was whether you well, well, it's it's two, it's twofold.

428
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,400
It's whether Capella and Collins as a
front court will work in the future,

429
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:47,880
and then whether you pay Collins moving
forward like it has Those have to be

430
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,160
the questions because we all, you
know, everybody pretty much agrees to trade

431
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,880
is special. Whether you love him
or not, you at least acknowledge it.

432
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:56,799
That's a special talent that you know, in his second year can Can

433
00:25:56,039 --> 00:26:02,359
Can Can still considerably improve across the
board. So that's not a crazy thought.

434
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:03,920
So you know, for me,
the focus really has to be everything,

435
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,279
doing everything in your power to keep
him happy and engaged. And NBA

436
00:26:08,319 --> 00:26:11,839
fans may not like to hear that
it's a second year guy. He's under

437
00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:15,000
contract. Yeah, all of those
things may be true, but the reality

438
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,480
is your second year guy, Like
two games into it, his second year,

439
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:22,880
I already stay. There are already
rumors that he wasn't necessarily the happiest

440
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,119
of individuals there. So if you
have any interest, especially in a market

441
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,440
like Atlanta, that you know,
it's not like you're just bringing them on

442
00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:30,880
in when it comes to you know, special talent, you know, outside

443
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,400
of the draft, you might want
to make sure that he's the you know,

444
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,359
he's happy with whatever decision you make. Yeah, and two trades credit

445
00:26:37,559 --> 00:26:41,279
like this isn't he's he's ready now, regardless of where you fall on him.

446
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:45,000
Like what he can do on offense, he's a terrible defender, but

447
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:47,599
what he can do on offense,
and you know, forget about like the

448
00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:51,400
shooting and the passing, but like
he's shown that he can finish over bigger

449
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,960
players, like he has like you
know, knows how to get the height

450
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,839
and arc on his floaters. And
he's been better at the rim through two

451
00:26:56,839 --> 00:26:59,920
seasons than I thought he would ever
be looking at just his size and build.

452
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,279
And so this isn't a slow burn
development. He is ready now and

453
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,559
you as a player if you are
a star, and he is an actual

454
00:27:06,599 --> 00:27:08,279
star. Whether you think he's top
fifteen, top twenty, top twenty five,

455
00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:11,359
whatever, he's an actual star,
and so he's ready now. And

456
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,519
I think that's why you need to
really confront these decisions. I think it's

457
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:18,240
why you make a trade like the
Capella one, because it's sort of when

458
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:21,319
now, and it gives you maybe
someone who's a long term pick and roll

459
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,200
diving partner, and it'll help you
defensively. My concerns here, though,

460
00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:29,400
one I tend to be more callous
when I'm looking at upcoming restricted free agents.

461
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,839
I understand that not all markets are
created equally, and flexibility doesn't matter

462
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,640
the same to every other team,
But you can just match whatever off for

463
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,200
John Collins is going to receive and
restrict the free agency next year, and

464
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,200
so I always lean toward, you
know, don't sign the extension. If

465
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,200
you're already capped out and you're not
going to have money that summer, then

466
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,960
yeah, it's a nice gesture.
But if you're not, which the Atlanta

467
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,279
unless they burn through all their zillions
of dollars of cap space this summer,

468
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,640
on the lack of talent that's available
in free agency, they're gonna have a

469
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,640
ton, and so I'd wait because
you do need to see how the Capella

470
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,720
Collins front court works. I do
believe it will work offensively, just John

471
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:06,680
Collins has shown enough. I think
he's more comfortable working from face up positions

472
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,480
off the dribble, and then he's
shown that he can shoot the three.

473
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,039
It's actually defense where I get a
little concerned because I don't think Clint Capella

474
00:28:11,079 --> 00:28:14,279
is a fine rim protector, but
I don't know if he's someone who can

475
00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:18,480
anchor an average defense on his own. And now if I don't know that,

476
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,440
he's also someone who's gonna then cover
up for what Collins does. I

477
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,839
do think Collins is better off defending
fours, but you need to have when

478
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,960
Trey's also on the floors part of
this. You're not giving yourself a ton

479
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,039
of versatility. So those other two
wings on the court, you know,

480
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:36,960
whether it's Hunter, cam Reddish,
Kevin Hurt Like, you need the utmost

481
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:40,200
versatility there, and I do think
Atlanta might have it. But you still

482
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:44,400
need to see if if it's going
to work, and so I wouldn't pick

483
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,720
Collins this summer. The next summer
I might but I wouldn't pay him.

484
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:49,359
I wouldn't give him an extension this
year. And I'm curious whether you agree

485
00:28:49,359 --> 00:28:52,839
with that. I absolutely agree with
that. Look, Capella's twenty five years

486
00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:56,599
old. He's already locked in into
a reasonable ray for the next three years.

487
00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:59,480
Collins, he's going to eventually,
you would imagine he's going to want

488
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:00,720
a signific you can raise well,
you know, once he's up. But

489
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:03,160
like you said, you don't have
to. You don't have to cross that

490
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,720
bridge just yet. Uh. You
have the ability to see if they're going

491
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:08,759
to fit, And like you,
I think that they can. I think

492
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:12,440
they can fit. Offensively. Collins
hit at forty percent from deep you know,

493
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,319
basically on three and a half attempts
from you know at night. You

494
00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:18,039
know, my my question is can
he maintain that average? You know,

495
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,279
if you stretch it out to six
seven attempts. Uh, you know you

496
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:26,400
would think that he could. And
if so, offensively, you know,

497
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,799
that would be a good fit.
But like you know, but like you,

498
00:29:29,119 --> 00:29:33,200
defensively, I don't know Capella week
side, your week side, your

499
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:37,160
defender, your rent protector. Yes, I haven't seen enough to truly believe

500
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,519
that he's an anchor and also given
the fact that you, like you mentioned,

501
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:42,000
you've got Trey On on the court. Uh, you know, you've

502
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,079
got Colins on the court. You
know your defense is really going to suffer

503
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,400
unless those other two guys are just
absolutely incredible from that side of you know,

504
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,920
from that side of the court.
And while yes, there's potential,

505
00:29:52,079 --> 00:29:55,960
I don't necessarily see that from any
of those three guys that you mentioned.

506
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:59,440
Yeah, and look, I think
the other thing is is if John Collins

507
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,200
wants a max extension, which it
was made clear in a report from the

508
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,400
Athletic earlier this year that he does, if you're not getting a discount,

509
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,519
I'm I'm always just wait, like
you can max them out next year.

510
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,759
So we are. It does seem
like we're on the same page there.

511
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:15,519
That brings us to the Charlotte Hornets, which are you know, I kind

512
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:18,480
of I guess I copped out on
their question because it's who to me,

513
00:30:18,599 --> 00:30:22,559
Look, they're rebuilding. I think
unless they think they're gonna they are gonna

514
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:23,599
have cap space this summer. So
who knows it is a It is a

515
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:29,559
Michael Jordan captain team. My question
for them was who is their primary building

516
00:30:29,599 --> 00:30:32,240
block? And I say that because
I don't think they have one, and

517
00:30:32,279 --> 00:30:33,920
so the question is how do they
get one? Because now you're staring at

518
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,200
a draft class where you probably aren't
going to land one, and a free

519
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,160
agency class where hey, it's great
you have all this money, but who

520
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,640
are you spending it on. You
can throw a max offer sheet to brandon

521
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:45,920
Ingram and the Pelicans are just gonna
match it. And from there that's really

522
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:51,440
the only kind of young, youngish
player that's worth throwing a ton of money

523
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,319
at to me in this free agency
class. Yeah, the deal. The

524
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:57,559
honest answer is they don't have one. Look. I like DeVante Graham a

525
00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:00,799
lot, but you know, do
you you keep playing him alongside Rosier?

526
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,880
You know, like do you eventually
you'll pay him in a couple of years

527
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,319
as well. It basically Charlotte left
me with no soop questions because they're always

528
00:31:08,359 --> 00:31:11,880
left like can you you can you
win? And I'm not talking about win

529
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,440
a title, We're not going to
have that conversation. Can you win in

530
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,359
general with a backcourt that you know
that you know that is those two guys?

531
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,839
Or are you already looking to move
on you know Rosier? Yeah?

532
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,400
Like I don't know, like they
they're You're never going to sign a guy

533
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,440
straight out, you know, like
a big name guy straight out, because

534
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:30,960
to be honest with you, unless
it's like Steph Curry at the end of

535
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:34,079
at the end of his career like
you as as in a name, you

536
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:37,519
know, going back to his you
know, home, home area, your

537
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,440
Yeah, that's what he's got,
you know what I'm yeah, exactly,

538
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:44,200
or brandon Ingram like eight years from
now. I just don't think that's going

539
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:45,039
to be. I just don't think
that's going to happen because, like you

540
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:48,319
said, the teams can always just
match whatever offer, you know, whatever

541
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,400
offer you have there. So really
you're going to have to hit the draft.

542
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,799
You're gonna have to be creative in
the process. Throughout the summer.

543
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:57,680
You know, they've got they've got
I did take a look at what they

544
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,720
the assets they have. They've got
more school seconds and as well as their

545
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:04,200
first over the next couple of years. You know, if you aren't in

546
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,680
love with any other prospects or don't
feel that you have you know, don't

547
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:10,000
feel you know, quite as strong
in your ability to draft, then maybe

548
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,319
package those picks with some established talent, you know, why not? Why

549
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:16,160
not engage. Why not try to
engage with Boston following the season. They'll

550
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,920
have Hayward that's on the last year
of his deal. Uh, you know,

551
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,599
and quite frankly, they should the
focus should have already been you know,

552
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:25,680
the Jalen and Jason, you know, stepping forward more there. So

553
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,400
you know, my question is would
they take back up a tune deal as

554
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,480
well as and a young guy and
some picks you for you four and expiring

555
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:36,759
Hayward deal. I'm not saying that
that's the answer. I'm saying that that's

556
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:38,119
the type of creativity that they're going
to need to have. Yeah, that's

557
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:40,559
a good point. And look,
this is not they have a I think

558
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:44,599
it's a thirty two percent chance of
landing in the top four of the draft,

559
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,200
which hey, great, But they're
slotted at eighth in general. And

560
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,720
if you end up there, some
of the players that are and I haven't

561
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,799
gone deep into my draft prep just
yet. It's not happening until October,

562
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:54,799
folks, so I have plenty of
time. But like you're gonna end up

563
00:32:54,799 --> 00:33:00,359
with Tyrese Haliburton, Cool, Anthony
Killian Hayes, those might be the center

564
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:02,039
available. You don't necessarily you could
go with another one, but you don't

565
00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:06,920
need another guard on this team.
And you've brought up an interesting point with

566
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,160
Devonte Graham super cheap next year,
and then they have to decide whether they

567
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,359
want to pay him, and it's
really weird. He well, it's not

568
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,279
weird. I know his shooting percentages
have plummeted since since the beginning of the

569
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:20,559
season, but he's still so important
of what they do on offense because he's

570
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:22,839
really the only guy who can put
pressure on defenses off the dribble. And

571
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,599
if you look at the on off
shooting splits for certain players with and without

572
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:31,400
Devonte Graham, including Terry Rosier,
it is not pretty. And now you're

573
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:36,200
in this weird situation to me where
you're so dependent on Devonte Graham, who

574
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,880
good player I think he could be. He's he's a real starter in this

575
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:42,799
league. He's very good, but
he's also not the guy that you want

576
00:33:42,839 --> 00:33:45,759
to have so much of your livelihood
tethered two to where what do you have

577
00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:50,640
to end up paying him in two
thousand twenty one. That's a question that

578
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,000
they're going to have to ask internally
as well. If it continues, you're

579
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:55,880
gonna have to max him out and
that's absolutely nuts. And hey, look

580
00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:00,160
I'm all in favor of play.
I'm gonna get your chicks money. I'm

581
00:34:00,279 --> 00:34:05,119
always in favor of it. But
if you are maxing out DeVante Graham and

582
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,839
you still have you know, Terry
Wheel zero on your books, that I

583
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:09,599
think he might be up at the
at that time as well. But either

584
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:13,280
way, if you're maxing out DeVante
Graham and you're and you're still you'll kind

585
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,800
of spending your wheels two years from
now, well then you're gonna end up

586
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:21,079
being perpetually Charlotte. That's a great
way to put it. Perpetually Charlotte.

587
00:34:21,079 --> 00:34:22,599
And yeah, that's something I don't
even really consider. So that would be

588
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:28,760
the final year of Rosier's deals.
The first year of Grahams would be a

589
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,039
new deal. If like they could
feasibly have forty million dollars tied up in

590
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:36,760
and DeVante Graham at one point,
just it's for a season, but that's

591
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,480
just still not ideal. I mean, if we're being fair right now,

592
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:43,519
they have with like fifty million tied
up between Betune, you know, who

593
00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:46,920
played like five minutes a game last
year and Rosier. But I don't want

594
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,280
to Pourse salt on wounds. No, I agreed. I think I think

595
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,360
ultimately you have to make a decision
there. Graham is probably the choice.

596
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:58,440
He's younger, cheaper, you know, more, you know, more workable

597
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,119
contract obviously at the state. But
you didn't. I said it with a

598
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:07,079
question Earliers, because it's like,
is there is there is there a team

599
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:09,719
that that would want Rosier back or
that I say back because I had Boston

600
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:15,480
in mind, but that would want
Rosier. There were those rumors that I'm

601
00:35:15,519 --> 00:35:17,199
almost one hundred percent sure of release
from the Knicks's end because I don't know

602
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,679
why the Hornets would want Julius Randall. But that's the idea that's been floated

603
00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:23,920
around is let's say the Knicks failed
to max out Fred Vanfleet the summer,

604
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:29,639
he decides to stay in Toronto.
I'm that's something that they would consider,

605
00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:31,480
But I don't know why you would
want Julius Randall if you could send Look,

606
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,159
I'm gonna be honest. Rosier is
fine, and I think he's shown

607
00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:37,880
that he can play off the ball
well. But if you can send him

608
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,800
into New York's cap space, if
they decide to operate with cap space,

609
00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:44,760
I don't know why you wouldn't do
it. Yeah, is Randall is randalled

610
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,440
up after this year, after next
season, so he has a partial guarantee

611
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,880
on his third year, whereas I
believe Rosier's is fully guaranteed. That was

612
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,239
still one of the more mind melting
contracts. Again, I'm pro players getting

613
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,480
money. Trevor Reis is one of
my favorite free agency guys because he just

614
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:00,880
gets paid. He follows the money, and then he'll just get traded to

615
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:06,280
a better team at mid season.
So shout out to have an a dope

616
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,880
agent, right, Like, really
if you get if you're a player that

617
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,000
you know that has been in the
league for a long period of time,

618
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,440
generally, unless you're a superstar,
generally you've got some really good your representation.

619
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,159
That Trevor rees is absolutely one of
those. And so yeah, if

620
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:22,920
you're Charlotte, you could look at
it and say, rather than pay Rosie

621
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:27,280
or seventeen plus million in twenty one
twenty two, we have Julius Randall,

622
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,800
who, yeah he's on the books
for nineteen point eight, but only four

623
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,000
millions guarantee. They could look at
it that way, but then you still

624
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,880
have a year of Julius Randall with
PJ. Washington and Miles Bridges. I'm

625
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,559
just not really sure where that gets
you. It's it's it's not going to

626
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:42,440
get you anywhere. You maybe,
you know, maybe you catch lightning in

627
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,119
a bottle. Maybe DeVante Grant continues
to develop, Maybe some of those all

628
00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:46,360
to get your bounce, Bridge and
some of those other guys continue to develop,

629
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:50,000
and you have a team that's at
least scrappy enough to be like a

630
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,880
grit and grind, you know,
first round. Now, I know that

631
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,480
sounds like I'm being a jerk,
but really that's that's a step up from

632
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,480
where they are right now. So
it's at least, you know, headed

633
00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:02,159
in the right to rixon because then
after that first season, after that one

634
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:05,719
season, if it didn't work out
with Randall, then you can always you

635
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,920
know, you always let them,
let them walk, and then you utilize

636
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:12,559
that cap space. I am terrified
for their fans of what might happen in

637
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,360
free agency with them, Like you
give the Hornets cap space. It's a

638
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,320
problem in general, but if you
give them cap space, is one of

639
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:22,199
the only let's say four to six
teams that have cap space. Oh buddy,

640
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:24,880
in a bad free agency class,
I don't know, little kids running

641
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:28,559
around Willy Wonka, you know,
with Willy Wonka and the Chocolate factor,

642
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,719
just going nuts eating everything, just
you know, jumping in you know,

643
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:36,320
jumping in chocolate lakes. Doesn't matter. Wait a second. As a matter

644
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,480
of fact, Oh my goodness,
is MITx cup check still the GM there?

645
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,920
Yeah? Okay, all right,
I mean no disrespect. But at

646
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:47,960
at twelve oh one, when free
agency started in twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen,

647
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:52,440
whichever year that was, that man
went offered, went ahead and offered

648
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,519
a max deal to timofey Mozgov and
then backed it up with a with a

649
00:37:55,679 --> 00:38:00,360
with a large deal to Lull Dang
oh man, awesome prayers, Charlotte.

650
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:05,400
Seriously, Yeah, those were some
puzzling deals right up there, with the

651
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,599
Knicks bidding against themselves for for Jokim
noah uh so so yeah, that does

652
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:14,199
bring us to the Chicago Bulls.
What was your what's your biggest question for

653
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,960
them? Man? They've got you
know, it's funny because you you asked,

654
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:20,280
like, you know, is anybody
that you know, is there anybody

655
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,760
that should be off limits or that
idea or that that that shouldn't be off

656
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,880
limits? Right? I looked at
it. They've got seventy one wins over

657
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,519
the last three years, you know, so it's difficult for me to see

658
00:38:28,519 --> 00:38:30,920
anyone being absolutely off limits. You
know. I understand that they like,

659
00:38:31,039 --> 00:38:34,639
you know that they may like marking
In or Kobe White or you know,

660
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:37,000
Window Carter Junior or whomever, but
no one, you know, no one

661
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,239
is at this point. Uh,
it doesn't appear that Lavigne, you know,

662
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,360
wants to be there long term.
And to be honest with you,

663
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,760
as he's heading in, you know, he's at a relatively decent rate,

664
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,320
right around twenty million a year for
what he you know, what he brings

665
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,880
to the table for the next two
years. And he's heading in, and

666
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,039
he's heading into his prime. You're
in a rebuilt situation. You might as

667
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:57,360
well at least explore, in my
opinion, you might as well at least

668
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,000
explore the idea of moving him and
seeing what you can get. Yeah,

669
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:05,679
I'm I think just because when you
change front offices, they always seems to

670
00:39:05,679 --> 00:39:07,760
the new regimes want to leave their
imprint on the roster. And so when

671
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:13,760
I look at the bulls, I'm
looking at probably Wendell Carter Junior and Kobe

672
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,679
White, and then this year's pick, since they're that front officeably the one

673
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:20,559
making it. Those are the untouchables
to me, and I think you,

674
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:22,760
I don't know that you have to
go into the seeing saying let's burn the

675
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:27,760
rest of this down. But I'm
absolutely shopping zach Lavine. Who Look,

676
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,920
he's good if you put him as
a number two or number three option where

677
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,360
you're not leaning on him to be
more of a ball mover, which he's

678
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:37,440
just not. I think he's super
valuable. And his contract is just it's

679
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,039
aged very well. I was among
the people making jokes about it when they

680
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,840
matched it once. I was making
fun of Sacramento for offering it, and

681
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,440
then we dragged Chicago when they matched
it. That contract is aged very nicely,

682
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:52,000
and so oh yeah, I'm just
go ahead. It's just with two

683
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,119
years left, I think now would
be the time to probably get maximum value

684
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:59,280
for him, especially when there's just
this lack of star power, not only

685
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,559
in free agency but really on the
trade market. When you think about it,

686
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,599
you know, when you said it
him as a two, I thought,

687
00:40:05,639 --> 00:40:07,360
well, what about him as a
three? And then you followed up,

688
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:08,840
obviously with him as three? What
about Zach Lavine? Has that third

689
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,679
option, as you know, for
the Lakers next year. I just what

690
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,159
are the Lakers given you for Zach
Lavine. I know it's tough, and

691
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:19,000
and obviously, look, I don't
I don't do the whole like I'm going

692
00:40:19,039 --> 00:40:22,599
to pretend that I'm like a Twitter
GM because I'm not, you know,

693
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:27,400
like it for be the only person
who's ever going to admit that well,

694
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:30,320
because the truth of the matter is, for one, we don't like we

695
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:34,320
can presume what we you know,
what we think the gms or the team

696
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,719
presidents or whomever is making basketball decisions
in the gym, and you know,

697
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,679
in a given organization, we can
presume. We can we can assume that

698
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:44,000
we know what they're what they how
they feel about a prospect. But we

699
00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:46,199
have no idea, We have no
idea. If you know, somebody in

700
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,480
Bulls upper management it says, you
know what, I recognize that you know,

701
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,039
it probably makes a lot of sense
for Zach Lavine to be moved.

702
00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:54,119
But I just love that guy.
I love the way that he can you

703
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:57,159
know they did he's you know,
yeah, he plays for us, or

704
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,480
however, you know what I'm saying, or you also never know, you

705
00:41:00,519 --> 00:41:04,760
never know what you what other what
gms may have down the line. One

706
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,199
thing I will say is this,
if you're the Lakers or if you're another

707
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:13,920
team, any other team that is
looking to get your kind of like put

708
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,280
yourself over the top or distance yourself
from somebody else, I think zach Lavine

709
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,760
is absolutely the first. You're one
of the first targets that I would try

710
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,880
to go for this offseason. This
isn't a team where he would put them

711
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:27,880
over the top, but I think
because they have at least some other offensive

712
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,480
options, he can slide into more
of a number two rule. But zach

713
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:34,079
Lavine might look nice in Orlando,
where you have vouch and we've seen some

714
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:37,239
development from Mark Elfolts. At the
very least, you're going to surround him

715
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,519
with a lot better defenders. And
so I mean if he's there with Evan

716
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:43,360
Fournier, there might be more proven
outlets. You know, maybe Kobe White

717
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,559
becomes that level of player anyway,
But just looking at what Orlando can do

718
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:50,679
defensively and how much they need pretty
much everything zach Lavine does on the offensive

719
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,280
end, just that guy who can
go get you a bucket from scratch,

720
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,519
hit these tough threes, open the
floor up for everybody else, even though

721
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,239
you know his zach Lavine has the
assist numbers. But I don't look at

722
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,679
zact Levine as like this expert passer. That's a team that I always thought

723
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:05,519
he might be a nice fit for. You know, that's actually a really

724
00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:07,280
good point. I could absolutely see
him fitting there. And as soon as

725
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:09,199
you said that, I thought,
well, what about him Phoenix as well?

726
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,960
Because I would love to see that
Perry and alongside Booker and like you,

727
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,079
he's not necessarily a playmaker, but
he's a guy that you know,

728
00:42:17,159 --> 00:42:20,840
because you because he's gonna draw so
much attention because he's got the balls in

729
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,360
his hands so much. I'm speaking
of Lavine here. Uh, he's he's

730
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,519
going to have opportunity to set somebody
else up. So yeah, I wouldn't

731
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:30,880
mind, you know, Like of
course, you know I'm being a homer

732
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,880
when I you know, when I
even referenced, you know, the Lakers

733
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,079
getting him, I would love Hey, look, I'm honest by mine,

734
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,920
you know, but but but I
would love to see him in in a

735
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,280
situation like Orlando or like you know, in a Phoenix. You know who

736
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,599
you know who will be left out
of this conversation because of course they are

737
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:50,320
in the bubble. Yeah, you
know, you know it would be it

738
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,679
would be fun to see him,
you know, in a better situation and

739
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,800
as well as well as giving the
flexibility back to Chicago and you know,

740
00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,800
maybe not the Laker situation specifically.
I don't don't think they would have the

741
00:43:00,119 --> 00:43:02,840
asset cloud to get him. But
a team like that that is going to

742
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,960
be competing for something just so we
can get this is selfish, you know,

743
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:08,440
I want to see, can we
know if zach Lavine is going to

744
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,519
help a good team win, And
like maybe the Nets when they go third

745
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:14,880
star hunting on the trademarket this summer, I don't know that he's what they

746
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:19,199
need when you have Kyrie and KD
and you also have other shock creators with

747
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,760
Dim Witty and Carris Lavert. But
the Nets could actually put together a fair

748
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,320
trade package for him, particularly if
the Bulls like Lavert. And then maybe

749
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:30,280
you're worried about what Kevin Durant can
do, you know, from square one,

750
00:43:30,559 --> 00:43:34,000
when he's coming back from that Achilles
injury and you know Kyrie's banged up,

751
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:37,079
perhaps that's a team they don't really
have the defensive cover up for him,

752
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:38,320
but I want to see him on
a team that's going to compete for

753
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,719
something where he would be number three
would be ideal, but even the number

754
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,159
two, because let's see if Yeah, I don't think he's an empty calories

755
00:43:45,199 --> 00:43:50,119
guy, even though those are the
teams that he's capitalized on, but like,

756
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:52,960
let's put that to the test,
and he's really he's not in a

757
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,159
position to do that in Chicago right
now, and I don't know that they're

758
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:58,400
going to get there for quite some
time. And the last thing on them

759
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,679
is I think I might be out
on Laurie market and lowry marketing. I'm

760
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:04,960
not sure if it's because of Boylan
and the injuries, but I just haven't

761
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,000
seen enough enough growth from him on
the offensive end where he looks like a

762
00:44:08,039 --> 00:44:12,960
more dynamic player, some uncomfortable putting
the ball on the floor. And I

763
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,719
know, look, he hasn't been
in the best position the season before this

764
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,480
one where they were just giving him
all these grenades late in the shot clock

765
00:44:17,559 --> 00:44:21,639
in the post was just terrible decision
making. But at some point, I

766
00:44:21,679 --> 00:44:24,480
do feel like he has to bear
a brunt of this responsibility, and I

767
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:29,159
think with his extension coming up,
he would definitely be someone if I'm them,

768
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,880
I'm looking to move Yeah, if
that's actually why I mentioned him first,

769
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:36,679
you know, when when I first
started answering this one, it's because,

770
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,559
look, I like Laurie, Laurie
marking in and forgive me if I

771
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:43,119
keep on butchering, you know,
Butchering go between his first name. I

772
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:45,400
think I've heard announcers say it too
many different ways. So I tried toify

773
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:50,679
the phonetic pronunciations on basketball resumes,
but I evacillated between like Lowry and Laura,

774
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,880
like it's it's bad. So I'm
working in marketing, would be he

775
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,320
would be the guy as well,
kind of like with you know, kind

776
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,760
of like with the Conlin situation in
Atlanta. You know, maybe maybe give

777
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,320
it another half a year, maybe
give it or give it this year and

778
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:07,480
make that you make that determination.
But you know, if his body's not

779
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:09,719
going to be able to hold up, or or he simply you know,

780
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,079
it's simply not necessarily the best of
situations for him, I probably would.

781
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:16,760
I probably would look to move him
as well, moving on to Cleveland.

782
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,679
But yeah, I mean, I'm
with you there by the way, and

783
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,880
I just I don't know what he's
going to command. Maybe Dario Sarch's market

784
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,079
this year might be a good a
barometer for it, although there's really no

785
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:28,880
cap space, so that might actually
be a terrible okage to see what he

786
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,280
gets. But if he wants maware, you know, if you're more than

787
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:34,119
four forty eight like you, I
think you have to start looking at at

788
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,599
jettisoning him. If he wants more
than yes, you do need to moving

789
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:39,920
on to Cleveland. This was my
question for them. I'm not sure if

790
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:44,000
you have a more nuanced one.
Are they actually rebuilding? Like we need

791
00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:45,480
to figure this out. Kevin Love
is still there. They traded for Andre

792
00:45:45,559 --> 00:45:50,760
Drummond, who's definitely opting in.
And yeah, you have these three young

793
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,960
guards. You're gonna have another highest
draft pick this year. But so long

794
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:57,119
as you have Drummond, and look, Drummond can clean up all the misses.

795
00:45:57,159 --> 00:46:00,519
That's these young guards are gonna wrap
up. But like, are like,

796
00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:04,679
what is happening here? Yeah?
Man, I looked at that roster

797
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,519
and it was basically full of guys
that literally made me go like, hmm,

798
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:12,599
okay, he's there. Okayty paid
Jetty like so it's like okay,

799
00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:15,480
like is he part of like a
rebuilding team, like he really is him

800
00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:17,079
because I don't think he's gonna be
that great, but you've already extended.

801
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:22,079
It's just it's such a weird situation. Yeah, they've got talent there,

802
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:23,280
but none of it fit's you know, part of it. Part of it's

803
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:28,199
understandable, Like you look, they
still have three or four Lebron roster guys,

804
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,039
and Lebron roster guys really only fit
with Lebron and and and that's not

805
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:35,079
a knock, that's just a reality. Uh, you know, but you

806
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:38,840
know you've got you have to rebuild
slowly kind of surrounding that that old structure,

807
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:43,280
and that's always gonna look funky.
Yeah, I like sexon in Garland.

808
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:49,320
I'm intrigued by Kevin Porter Junior.
But ultimately is the idea to continue

809
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:51,880
to build around those three because if
that's the case, you've got six one,

810
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:53,360
six one and six four. And
I recognized that, you know,

811
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:58,199
your positional basketballs is not a thing
anymore. And I recognized that, you

812
00:46:58,199 --> 00:47:00,960
know, the courts are spread and
shooting it you know, shooting is you

813
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,599
know, shooting is you know,
is the primary focus or at least you'll

814
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:07,800
in certain circumstances, but that that
seems like a recipe for disaster unless you've

815
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,039
got you know, you know,
kind of like like with the Atlanta thing,

816
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:15,599
unless you've got to just you know, incredible Kevin Garnett, like of

817
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:19,440
your versatility defenders at the other positions. Part of me just when you know,

818
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,559
wonders how that how that's ever going
to work. And like you said,

819
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,519
Drumming is absolutely going to going to
you know, sign back up.

820
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,719
So you know, really what are
they doing there? I know I gave

821
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,119
you that was a lot of word
vomit to say I have no idea what

822
00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:32,800
they're doing there. But I have
no idea what they're doing there. That's

823
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,239
the only way to talk about the
Kevaliers at this point though, is word

824
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,960
vomit. And it'd be so bizarre
if they end up resigning Tristan Thompson too,

825
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,159
because that was they already have Larry
Nance under contract as well, and

826
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:45,800
they didn't move or like broker a
buyout with Tristan Thompson. My guess would

827
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,920
be he leaves. But if you
have Drummond opening and opting in and him

828
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,320
coming back and then things get really
thorny. What if they end up drafting

829
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,719
another guard in the draft because I
like Sexton, I'm probably higher on him

830
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:00,239
than most. I think my favorite
young player that they have is Kevin Order

831
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,840
Junior though just looking at what he
can kind of do off the balance and

832
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,639
showed flashes of even as a secondary
playmaker too. Perhaps, however, I'll

833
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:13,760
fully admit that him, Garland and
Sexton are not good enough for them to

834
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,159
say, well, we're not going
to take a guard in this year's draft.

835
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:19,440
And so if they end up in
a position where Anthony Edwards you can

836
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,719
call him a wing, that's fine. But let's say Anthony Edwards is already

837
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:23,639
off the board and you you don't
end up with the second or third pick,

838
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:29,039
and like if LaMelo Ball is just
still on the board, or do

839
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:30,519
they take him? And then then
what happens from there? Do you actually

840
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:34,440
go into next season with all four
of those guys on the roster. There

841
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,639
are a lot of guards though at
the top of this draft, so not

842
00:48:36,639 --> 00:48:39,800
even LaMelo specifically, but what happens
if they wind up taking another one.

843
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,400
Honestly, if one is out there
that's better than the options that you currently

844
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,159
have, you have to take him. And while that's going to feel very

845
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:51,679
very David Kahn, Minnesota. You're
you're going to have to You're gonna have

846
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,239
to figure that out. It may
be as simple as this, if you're

847
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:58,519
in that position, take your pick
with you know, like you two of

848
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:01,320
the three that you got left and
move forward, or maybe even you know,

849
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,239
maybe even the idea of packaging a
couple of those guys that you have

850
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,880
less and move forward. But then
again, I guess again, it depends

851
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,840
on how much they're in love with
these guys, and you just never know

852
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,480
because what they say publicly is never
what is actually in the case behind closed

853
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:19,960
doors. I would be curious what
they could get for Colin Sexton on the

854
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,719
trade market. You never see rookies
like or guys on the rookie contracts like

855
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:24,920
him get moved, you know where. It's three years left before his stricky

856
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,719
free agency. I'm just curious,
particularly in this draft, would you get

857
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,239
another really high pick. You're getting
a premo twenty twenty one pick. I'd

858
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,719
just be curious to see what the
going rate for him would be if they

859
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:39,480
just made him available. I don't
think, I don't think alone that you

860
00:49:39,519 --> 00:49:43,639
know you're getting much, But maybe
if you would attached an expiring you know,

861
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:45,719
a larger deal, you'll make it
worth the other teams while you can

862
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,800
get something for him. I think
it's I think moving forward, I think

863
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,880
a lot of deals will you will
include that, especially with this team.

864
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:55,840
Yeah. No, that's a good
point, and that's the problem. That's

865
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,400
why these guys don't get traded because
they're so valuable relative to their to their

866
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,360
pay scale. Maybe this draft class
will be the exception because if you have

867
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,679
to pay the number one pick whatever
it ends, was it four years and

868
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:08,079
fifty million dollars? Basically, they're
obviously two team options attached to that.

869
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:12,559
But that's actually a little bit scary
when you're looking at this this draft class.

870
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,199
The next team we have is the
Detroit Pistons, who might be might

871
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:22,599
deserve some more word vomit. But
what's your question for them and new new

872
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,519
GM Troy Reaver. The question is
what are you going to do? Is

873
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:28,679
it going to be like just what
you said, Is it going to be

874
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,199
a full rebuilder? You're going to
continue to pretend that, you know,

875
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,119
we're going to be competitive with having
guys like Blake Griffin on our roster.

876
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,599
I think they've got some interesting pieces
and you know, Sayko, I'm not

877
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:40,519
going to Butcher's last name Mackay Luke, and I actually like Christian Wood.

878
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,599
I'm not saying that any of those
are franchised guys, but I my thought

879
00:50:45,679 --> 00:50:47,880
would be the first thing that you
need to do is is is made the

880
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,880
decision to go ahead and move Blake
and get him healthy, make sure that

881
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,519
he's healthy, because Winny sealthy is
still highly effective. You know, whether

882
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:58,920
it's you know, engaging with a
Miami You're get, engaging with the new

883
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:01,000
kay See or however you want to
do it. You know, I'm gonna

884
00:51:01,039 --> 00:51:07,800
throw Phoenix back into that mix because
you know Phoenix in Toronto around the league.

885
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:09,639
While yes, everybody's got medical staff, everybody's got great you know,

886
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:14,039
you know, or you're got reputable
training staffs. For whatever the reason is,

887
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:16,039
those two franchises, you know,
they kind of stand out. If

888
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:20,960
I'm Blake Griffin, I wouldn't necessarily
mind, you mind having a run with

889
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:23,159
one of those franchise and he met
with them during free agency before he resigned

890
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:28,920
with the Clippers too. Yeah,
I honestly think like the very first thing

891
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,000
that needs to take place is you
go ahead and you move on from Blake,

892
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,239
and and that sucks because Blake,
you know, like, this is

893
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:36,199
not a this is not a oh
Blake Griffin sucks situation. It just means

894
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,440
Blake Griffin is a is A is
a guy that you add to a team

895
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,039
that's already ready to go, that
you you know, did you did you

896
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,360
want that vet? You know that
vet guy that can still play that puts

897
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:45,639
you over the top, and not
the guy that you that you're gonna say,

898
00:51:45,679 --> 00:51:49,840
we're gonna rebuild around this guy right
now and in year like ten.

899
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:52,400
That I think I would agree with
you if I didn't think it was going

900
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:59,840
to take a pretty like sweet sweetener
to get Blake off the books too.

901
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,159
You're seventy five point eight million left. You're probably I think you're right thinking

902
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,000
on the lines of can you if
he's healthy to start the season, can

903
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,039
you build up his value and then
move him at the deadline. It's even

904
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:10,239
if it's a salary wash and you're
just taking back expiring as you come out

905
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:14,000
on topic right now, I don't
even know if you attached Luke Kenard to

906
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:15,000
Blake Griffin. I don't know if
you'd get a team to take him.

907
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:21,760
Maybe Phoenix because they showed interest in
Luke Canard to begin with. But that's

908
00:52:21,519 --> 00:52:24,280
that's the price that you would have
to pay to get Blake off the books.

909
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,840
I'm not sure if it's worth it
to Detroit when they you are going

910
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,159
to be entering everybody, so you
can't give up picks. Maybe Canard,

911
00:52:30,199 --> 00:52:32,400
though, would be the line,
just because he's extension knowledgeable himself and has

912
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:37,639
the authritic knees. Apparently, that
would be the question I'm asking if I'm

913
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:39,280
Troy Weaver, is what would it
take to get Blake off the books?

914
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:44,199
Right now? I think if there's
any chance whatsoever that you can attach Kenard

915
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,000
to him, and and I mean
no disrespect Pistons fans, because I can

916
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:51,199
already see Pistons fans getting mad,
I'm not paying Luke Kennard moving forward.

917
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:53,960
So if if I'm the guy,
I'm definitely looking, looking, looking to

918
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:58,880
do that. If that's a possibility, you know at all, It's something

919
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,800
that I would explore. And it
look I'm a little bit moreking like kind

920
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,679
of like you, I'm a little
bit more caalous when it comes to paying

921
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,920
guys, Like I want people to
get paid, but I'm just not willing

922
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,920
to just say like, oh,
well, hey, we gotta pay somebody,

923
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:13,119
so let's just go ahead and do
it, you know, And if

924
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:15,639
Phoenix is willing to be that,
if Phoenix is willing to be that team

925
00:53:15,679 --> 00:53:19,920
that doesn't, hey, go ahead, And what's what's my man's name,

926
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,039
Lebron's budding James Jones, James Jones, James Jones. I mean, no

927
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:29,000
disrespect. It really slipped my mind, but I knew if I said it

928
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:30,960
that way, you would know I'd
get James Jones on the phone. Yeah.

929
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,679
And the way to go for me, though, might be let it

930
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,119
leak into the regular season, because
maybe then you don't have to give up

931
00:53:37,119 --> 00:53:38,960
as big of a sweetener or you
know. And I'm not trying to pick

932
00:53:39,039 --> 00:53:40,960
up well, I don't care about
picking on them, but the Knicks are

933
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,119
star drunk all the time. If
they end up, if they end up

934
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:46,920
not signing a big name in Francy, or even if they end up poaching

935
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,639
a Fred van Fleet, like,
they just might want to get another big

936
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,360
name at some point. And if
it's you know, perhaps they prefer CP

937
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,800
three or or Kevin Love. But
if Blake is playing, well, that's

938
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:59,280
another team that you could just see
talking themselves into Griffin. There is the

939
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:01,800
Jordan Brank action with the Hornets too. Is that a team that just gets

940
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:06,519
so desperate for a star. I
think I'd commit myself though, going in

941
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:09,159
if I'm Detroit, going into the
regular season, to seeing what Griffin looks

942
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:13,000
like, because I don't think you
hurt, you know, I don't.

943
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:15,719
I don't think he's great. But
if he's, if he's healthy, all

944
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,159
he's gonna do is help you contend
for the playoffs, which isn't the worst

945
00:54:19,159 --> 00:54:21,599
thing in the world. And if
he's if he's not, even if he's

946
00:54:21,639 --> 00:54:23,039
still really good, I don't think
he's a player that can just sigle handedly

947
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:27,559
ruin your rebuild because he is a
good passer. And I also don't know

948
00:54:27,599 --> 00:54:30,880
that he alone guarantees you, you
know, thirty four wins and that you're

949
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:35,280
stuck on that sort of a hellish
treadmill. So that's actually and that's a

950
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,000
great point, but that's actually the
reason why I would look to move him,

951
00:54:37,039 --> 00:54:39,960
because I do think if he's healthy, he does help you compete,

952
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:45,440
and then you're just in first round
out purgatory. I'm not saying I'm not

953
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,960
saying that you know, I'm not
poo pooing you a playoff birth because of

954
00:54:49,039 --> 00:54:51,519
course your fans, like look,
at the end of the day, fans

955
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:54,440
either want to know that you that
you're building something you know that's going to

956
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:58,239
be special down the line, or
they at least want some sort of success

957
00:54:58,639 --> 00:55:00,639
you something something to be happy now. So I get it. So so

958
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,320
if they ultimately determined, let's go
ahead and keep him in the mix,

959
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,800
because you know, he's already on
the books. Even if this isn't necessarily

960
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:09,079
his favorite place to play, he's
already made the adjustment. He's here,

961
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:13,079
we have him been fold and and
he is like you, like you mentioned,

962
00:55:13,079 --> 00:55:15,400
he's a very good passer, very
good distributor, distributor h you know,

963
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,719
for his position. You know,
obviously he's worked on the range.

964
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:22,360
It's you know, he's he's the
type player that I would want on my

965
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,800
team. I just unfortunately I would
want him at that kid at that cap

966
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:29,199
though. No, I'm totally with
you there, Detroit Saucee is gonna be

967
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:31,079
interesting. As you already mentioned,
Christian Wood, I still think he might

968
00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:34,679
get more than the mid level exception
in this market. I actually think he's

969
00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:36,960
worth it. I'm about as high
on him, it seems as you are.

970
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:39,159
Yeah, yeah, no, he
someone's going, someone's going to offer

971
00:55:39,199 --> 00:55:43,239
him some money. So it's it's
really going to be a matter of whether

972
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,599
Detroit, yeah, how much they
see him as a part of their future,

973
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:50,079
and how how high they're willing to
go. That's the But if I'm

974
00:55:50,119 --> 00:55:52,559
picking it free agent, where I
think Charlotte might overspend on, I'm looking

975
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:55,559
at christian Wood like that's the guy
that I could see them just going like

976
00:55:55,639 --> 00:55:59,880
a cuckoo for uh And it wouldn't
surprise me if they came like, oh

977
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,519
the top with something egregious that Detroit
just isn't going to be willing to match.

978
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:07,760
And if they do that, okay, again again get your money.

979
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:14,800
But christian Wood and Rosier are your
cornerstones. Again, I'm not I perpetually

980
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:16,960
Charlotte. As you put it,
there you go, there you go.

981
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:21,400
Next up is Golden State. The
question I have for them is, and

982
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,320
it's loaded because we don't know where
they're going to land in the draft just

983
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:27,000
yet, but what should they do
with this year's draft pick? And I'll

984
00:56:27,039 --> 00:56:30,840
frame it in the context of maybe
you have just a more clear caught answer

985
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,039
where it's they should keep it or
they should just move it. But like,

986
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:36,239
if you're looking for the return,
like this isn't a pick that's gonna

987
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:37,840
get you, honest, so like
we can we can throw that off the

988
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:43,199
table. But if it's if you
can get in Aaron Gordon or Jonathan Isaac,

989
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:45,480
if if that's the type of player
you're looking at, are you moving

990
00:56:45,480 --> 00:56:49,360
that pick or you're just holding onto
it and then hoping you kind of strike

991
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:53,400
lightning in a bottle with that prospect
who either one sort of helps alleviate the

992
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:58,239
burden on your aging stars shoulders moving
down the line, or perhaps he turns

993
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,280
into an even better trade asset because
people won't be as low on him if

994
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:07,719
he developed properly relative to just how
unfavorably this draft class is viewed right now.

995
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:10,400
That's a dicey choice, man,
because like, let's be real,

996
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,880
if they get a guy in there
and he's just a well, then they

997
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,840
totally just wasted it because and and
not only did they waste the pick,

998
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,159
but they wasted uh, you know, the last couple of years of Steph

999
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:22,719
and Clay and that you know and
and that whole you know that you know

1000
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:27,199
that whole group. So me to
be honest with you, I would either

1001
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:30,239
I would be open to the idea
of moving it for like a Gordon,

1002
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,079
or moving it for you somebody of
that nature, you somebody of that level,

1003
00:57:32,159 --> 00:57:35,280
if they if they felt, if
they felt that that would be a

1004
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:37,639
good fit. I don't necessarily know
if they if they see Gordon as that,

1005
00:57:37,719 --> 00:57:42,159
but I would be intrigued by it. But honestly, again, and

1006
00:57:42,239 --> 00:57:44,920
not to be you know, not
to be Twitter GM. Why not try

1007
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:46,920
to be Why not try to s
swing for the fences. You'll you'll think

1008
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:52,480
bigger and better in this What about
the idea of packaging that pick with Wiggins

1009
00:57:52,599 --> 00:57:54,639
or with a Draymond? And I
recognize how cool hearted that sounds, but

1010
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:58,760
they never should have signed Draymond to
that, you know, to that extension.

1011
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,239
And then yeah, what did he
did? He like a tweet that

1012
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:07,280
was like uh huh dragging, Uh
I should curry that was like that.

1013
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,320
I know, we as NBA Twitter
members, we do sensationalize these things.

1014
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:14,440
I do it normally ingest and then
I recognize there are people to take it

1015
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,760
too seriously, But like that's an
actual that seems like an actual problem.

1016
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,440
That's a that's a real problem.
And the thing if it is is this,

1017
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:23,719
like you, we all know what
takes place. We don't have to

1018
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:27,639
pretend like oil is a mistake or
whatever. He saw that and said like,

1019
00:58:27,679 --> 00:58:32,199
yeah, that's right. And even
if he thinks that way, you're

1020
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:37,119
out of respect to your guy,
you should at the very least you think,

1021
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,320
yeah, maybe I shouldn't or maybe
after you know, maybe after it

1022
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,480
comes out, I'm gonna at least
lie about it or try to save face.

1023
00:58:43,679 --> 00:58:45,400
No, he just left it there. Just triple check that you're on

1024
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:49,840
your burner account. That's all.
Yes, Yes, I'm glad you mentioned

1025
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,239
that, because you know, Katie's
not the only one with burners. You

1026
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,519
know what I'm saying. I was
like, sure, all these guys have

1027
00:58:54,639 --> 00:58:58,760
burners in some way, form or
fastinal let me, let me, let

1028
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,199
me throw a name out here.
And this is going to be the part

1029
00:59:00,239 --> 00:59:04,519
where all of your listeners are like, you know, I was going to

1030
00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:07,039
consider listen, you know, taking
a listen to this guy's show. But

1031
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:08,480
this guy's an idiot, and get
this jackass off the show. I'm gonna

1032
00:59:08,519 --> 00:59:13,840
throw this name out there. Tell
me for Tita is in a situation where

1033
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:19,840
he is in just dire straits financially, so his kind of situation. Yeah,

1034
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,719
no, no, no, no, I'm describing exactly as it is.

1035
00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:28,079
How long before teams start to say, why don't we just go pry

1036
00:59:28,159 --> 00:59:32,079
James Harden out of there? Because
I recognize that he is Houston and those

1037
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,199
and what he means to that fan
base. I recognize that I'm not in

1038
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:38,639
any way stating that this is this
is the you know, like, coming

1039
00:59:38,719 --> 00:59:44,239
to this decision is going to feel
good. But if you're going to ever

1040
00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:45,599
maximize what you've got out of him, like say they you know, say

1041
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:49,519
they go through these playoffs, they
don't win again, I'm not saying that

1042
00:59:49,559 --> 00:59:52,800
the run is over. What I'm
saying is I'm the type person that I

1043
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,840
want to sell high. I never
want to sell low. How long before

1044
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,599
a team says, hey, let's
go ahead and see what you know,

1045
00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:02,400
what type of package it actually we
would take? Look, I think that's

1046
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:06,400
an a valid question. I'm just
not sure how much it would apply to

1047
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:08,760
the Warriors because I don't know what
else are you offering besides this pick to

1048
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,280
get James Harden. You can go
really distant into the future. I suppose

1049
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,000
with your first rounders, and you
also have that Minnesota pick. I just

1050
01:00:16,039 --> 01:00:20,199
don't know, you know, your
salary anchor in that is obviously Andrew Wiggins.

1051
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,400
I think they could probably get better
offers than what the Warriors could could

1052
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:28,840
sling. Maybe if this is something
that Houston. Let's say Houston isn't good

1053
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,920
next season and you're getting closer to
the trade deadline and the Warriors still have

1054
01:00:31,039 --> 01:00:36,320
that prospect and he's playing really well, that's when their trade package becomes more

1055
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,800
attractive. And that this is the
rare situation where their pick is almost less

1056
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:43,400
valuable before it turns into a player
than it would be if they have a

1057
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,920
chance to develop that player. There's
a chance that it's not. But because

1058
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:49,760
this draft class is so like,
everyone just really isn't that high on it,

1059
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,239
even towards the top. That's the
sort of situation they're in, and

1060
01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:57,039
so I Houston specifically, if they're
in that situation, there should absolutely be

1061
01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:00,159
teams calling, particularly if they flame
out in the in the bubble playoffs,

1062
01:01:00,159 --> 01:01:02,599
whatever we're gonna call them this year. If they start off slow next year,

1063
01:01:02,639 --> 01:01:07,840
I'm absolutely calling Houston to ask about
that. Yeah, I certainly would,

1064
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:10,480
but I'm going to throw another name
out there with relation to Golden State.

1065
01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:15,480
What it What does a Steph Clay
and Bill lineup look like to you?

1066
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,320
I think it would look good.
What happens to the defense in that

1067
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:22,800
scenario though, because I'm assuming you
would give up Wiggins in that deal,

1068
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:28,760
I wouldn't give up Draymond Green and
yeah pick it would be Wiggins. So

1069
01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:30,320
now you have just no I mean, you have Clay, but you just

1070
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,400
don't have another wing defender than besides
them. And Andrew Wiggins is not good

1071
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:37,159
on defense. So I was like
sitting there, like, wait a second,

1072
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,000
Dad, But he's at least a
wing body, is what I'm saying.

1073
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,760
Bradley beal Is is not the name
I was gonna throw to you.

1074
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,199
It was two names. So let's
say you dangle Andrew Wiggins and then you

1075
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,320
use the pick after it turns into
a salary. What if you offer that

1076
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:55,039
to Filly for Josh Richardson and to
Buya's Harris Oh oh, put putting together

1077
01:01:57,239 --> 01:02:00,960
a solid roster. If I'm Olden
State, I do that. Look I'm

1078
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:07,039
gonna be in the full disclosure.
I was all all over team Wiggins for

1079
01:02:07,079 --> 01:02:09,840
the for the first yo five years
of this phenomenon. Yeah, going back

1080
01:02:09,840 --> 01:02:15,559
to high school, it looks I
hope I'm wrong on him. I hope

1081
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:20,000
he does turn into the guy that
we all kind of like anticipated him turning

1082
01:02:20,039 --> 01:02:22,599
into. And let's and let's be
clear, Andrew Wiggins is a good offensive

1083
01:02:22,599 --> 01:02:25,280
player, like he's Yeah, he's
a getting score you some buckets, right,

1084
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:29,159
but he was supposed to be better
than that. He was supposed to

1085
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:32,320
be significantly board there. I also
don't think you need to apologize because what

1086
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,320
is he seven years into his career
at this point, like there's now you

1087
01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,559
don't need to apologize for being lower
on him now, like we've we've passed

1088
01:02:38,559 --> 01:02:42,639
the point, oh six years now, excuse me, so, like we're

1089
01:02:42,639 --> 01:02:45,840
past the point where yeah, okay, he's still uh he's just twenty five,

1090
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:47,159
but yeah, you've been in the
league more than the half decade.

1091
01:02:47,199 --> 01:02:51,119
We can he's I don't think he's
good overall. He's I think he's probably

1092
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,000
he could be fine offensively, but
he's just it's not even that he's not

1093
01:02:54,039 --> 01:02:57,400
as good as he's supposed to be. That was a whiff, Like he's

1094
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,760
been he's been a whiff. Yeah, he certainly, he just has been

1095
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:02,480
he has been. You know what, no need even pile on him.

1096
01:03:02,519 --> 01:03:05,719
I would look, I would look
to move on him, you know,

1097
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:08,440
before things even got started. And
I look, if the Warriors are confident

1098
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:13,360
in their ability to develop players,
that's great, But I think let's just

1099
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,639
look at the Angelo Russell. How
they were out on him pretty quickly after

1100
01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:20,280
maintaining that they weren't going to be
so look, well to think if it

1101
01:03:20,320 --> 01:03:22,239
is is we all saw that.
We all looked at them and said,

1102
01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:23,360
like, well, hey, even
if Seth's healthy, what's that backcourt?

1103
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:27,719
Look like they can't defend anybody.
They don't have Clay down to protect them,

1104
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:30,360
they don't even have Katie. What
is this like that? That's how

1105
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:34,320
I was looking at that situation.
And then I allowed, honestly, I

1106
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:37,639
allowed Josh to talk me into it
and talk me into hey, you know,

1107
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:40,360
you never know if they get go. Yeah, we saw what that

1108
01:03:40,519 --> 01:03:44,679
was, and look, I'd love
to be wrong because if Wiggins ends up

1109
01:03:44,719 --> 01:03:47,400
being that guy out of nowhere in
year seven, cool, it's not gonna

1110
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:51,199
happen. You just said it to
a year seven. That's what's just comic.

1111
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,199
Look at least I guess they've kicked
they can where it's you could see

1112
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:57,559
what Wiggins and the Minnesota pick turns
into, so you can the jury could

1113
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:00,280
still be out, but I'm totally
with you there. Uh. The team

1114
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,360
that I excluded when I first sent
you the blueprint for this podcast was the

1115
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:08,000
Minnesota Timberwolves. My biggest question for
them, curious if you agree, would

1116
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:12,599
be what who are you putting it
around? Dianzel Russell and Karl Anthony Town

1117
01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:15,119
specifically in the front court. I
feel like it's really important, like the

1118
01:04:15,199 --> 01:04:18,679
idea of a James Johnson but not
actually James Johnson is. It feels like

1119
01:04:18,679 --> 01:04:21,840
who who they need? It's a
guy who could defend both fours and fives

1120
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,679
and then but also dribble and space
the floor. It seems like they need

1121
01:04:26,119 --> 01:04:28,719
that player. They need wings in
general, and again it's like a James

1122
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:30,719
Johnson player. But who's not James
Johnson is kind of where I'm at,

1123
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:36,199
you know who? They could use
Robert Covington back like that type of player,

1124
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:40,239
Like those are the type of guys
you you just hit it. They've

1125
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:42,320
you know, they've got to be
able to defend multiple positions. They've got

1126
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,280
to be able to theyve gotta be
able to space it a little bit.

1127
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:45,199
They've gotta be able to, you
know, do a little bit of playmaking,

1128
01:04:45,199 --> 01:04:47,840
do kind of like jack of all
trades type, you know type deal,

1129
01:04:48,199 --> 01:04:51,559
and they just they just ship one
out and now a look they did

1130
01:04:51,559 --> 01:04:55,960
what they have to do. Whatever. But yeah, they need those types

1131
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,360
of guys. And as I'm sitting
here trying to think on the spot,

1132
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:01,480
who's help it that would even be
available. Like, here's the sad thing.

1133
01:05:02,199 --> 01:05:04,559
They need those types of guys.
But I could see them going going

1134
01:05:04,599 --> 01:05:08,880
and getting like a Kuzma, you
know what I'm saying, like and and

1135
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,440
and and look like you know,
for the Lakers fans that are you know,

1136
01:05:11,519 --> 01:05:14,119
kuz supporters or whatever, they're gonna
be mad that I said that.

1137
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,679
Y'all know exactly what I'm talking about. Here's a different thing. Y'all know

1138
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:19,480
exactly what I'm talking about. There
is a difference between those types of players.

1139
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:25,559
Look, I appreciate Lakers fans just
the their commitment to thinking, some

1140
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:29,320
of them thinking how good Kuzma is. We we had we said something about

1141
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:30,440
Kyle kuz on one of the podcasts
I think was fair, but it was

1142
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:34,639
pretty low on him, and we
got one starred, so we we never

1143
01:05:34,679 --> 01:05:39,239
had somebody one star reviews porn at
once, which I kind of respect that

1144
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:43,079
they're that passionate about Kyle Kuzma.
Let's tell you the truth, man like

1145
01:05:43,239 --> 01:05:45,960
and we I'm saying the obvious,
just like saying your water's wedding, your

1146
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:53,400
fire's high. Lakers fans ride for
theirs man like no other, like no

1147
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,239
other. So let me clean this
up a little bit and say, Kyle

1148
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,960
Kuzma is a talented player, but
Kyle Kuzma is the opposite type of play

1149
01:06:00,360 --> 01:06:02,920
as what a Robert Covington is two. Kyle who's m is a guy that

1150
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:06,639
you know, I actually think,
you know, from a personality standpoint,

1151
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,159
he would go there and fit well. I think he would get along with

1152
01:06:10,199 --> 01:06:12,119
Kat. I think I would get
along with D'Angelo, and I think it

1153
01:06:12,119 --> 01:06:15,599
would be good from that perspective.
But you know, some of the grit

1154
01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:17,119
and grind and you know some of
you know, some of the intangibles that

1155
01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:20,519
you that you would need from that
position. You're not necessarily going to get

1156
01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:24,079
out of that you're out of that
player. Yeah, they probably need.

1157
01:06:24,119 --> 01:06:27,039
I'd be I want to see them
play Jared Vanderbilt next year. I don't

1158
01:06:27,079 --> 01:06:29,679
know if he is that guy,
but I really like Jared Vanderbilt plays with

1159
01:06:29,679 --> 01:06:31,559
a lot of energy and really gets
up and down the floor and supermobile on

1160
01:06:31,639 --> 01:06:36,199
defense. But they probably need like
a like a Jeremy Grant. I don't

1161
01:06:36,199 --> 01:06:39,719
think they could afford him if he
enters free agencies, since all as they

1162
01:06:39,719 --> 01:06:43,599
have is the MLI. But that's
probably the type of player that they need

1163
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:46,000
to target. I don't think you
can go with another big I briefly entertained.

1164
01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:49,119
You know, if if Philly's just
willing to give away Al Horford,

1165
01:06:49,159 --> 01:06:53,599
could he work with Towns maybe,
But I think you need you need to

1166
01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:58,000
tilt more towards like the the combo
big wing end of the end of the

1167
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,280
spectrum, where it's like a Jeremy
Grant again James Johnson, but not James

1168
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,840
Johnson exactly. No, No,
I fully agreed, And again like I'm

1169
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:08,280
sitting there thinking like who who could
they potentially get? But yeah, no,

1170
01:07:08,519 --> 01:07:11,679
someone along those lines. For sure, Mills would be great, He's

1171
01:07:11,679 --> 01:07:14,360
gonna be a freation, but they
can't offer him more money than these other

1172
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,119
teams. So I'm throwing out these
names that just they'd be great, But

1173
01:07:16,159 --> 01:07:20,000
I'm probably just throwing out Nuggets,
former Nuggets and current Nuggets, but well,

1174
01:07:20,559 --> 01:07:23,719
well, Millsap would be great.
But to be honest with you,

1175
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,320
they need a couple of that level
over there of guys. You know what

1176
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:28,960
I'm saying. I know, yeah, and I recognize it starts with one,

1177
01:07:29,039 --> 01:07:31,199
so I beggars can't be choosers and
we can't be greedy before you even

1178
01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:34,840
before you even get to get to
the party. But yeah, but I

1179
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,800
agree, those are absolutely the types
of guys that they should be that should

1180
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,840
be. What if Sacramento was willing
to just fulfiller give you Harrison Barnes,

1181
01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:46,280
do you consider that if you're Minnesota, Harrison Barnes is showing that he can

1182
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,920
go, that he can be a
contributor on a winning team, like and

1183
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:54,199
I know that sounds disrespectful to just
go break it down to that, but

1184
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,320
at the very least, that's something
that we can't necessarily say for a lot

1185
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,920
of people that have played for Minnesota
or currently on that so I would consider

1186
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:03,679
it. It's not the sexy name, it's not the oh my goodness,

1187
01:08:03,679 --> 01:08:06,800
so yeah, we gotta Harrison Barnes. But Harrison Barnes is the quality player

1188
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:11,880
that you would would instantly be you'll
instantly be in the in their mix of

1189
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:15,719
best players. Yeah, that's uh. I fours them. I might think

1190
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:16,920
about it, and that that might
be the ceiling on the type of name

1191
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:21,079
maker require when looking at their assets. The final team who will not be

1192
01:08:21,119 --> 01:08:25,199
in the bubble it is not Phoenix
shout out the Phoenix Suns fans, the

1193
01:08:25,199 --> 01:08:28,720
New York Knicks. I think the
question for them is pre obvious and it's

1194
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:33,720
a broken record. Do they maybe
possibly perhaps finally, at long last,

1195
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:39,199
have the stomach for a gradual rebuild? Is that? Would you agree with

1196
01:08:39,199 --> 01:08:42,359
that question? And what is your
answer to that question? Man, I

1197
01:08:42,399 --> 01:08:45,880
don't. I really don't know.
Again, not being funny. Look,

1198
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:48,560
so the move to Brian Leon Rose
and the CIA connections, you know that

1199
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,159
that providing some hope for me.
I'm not a Knicks fans, like,

1200
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:55,680
just to be clear, but as
as somebody that has to listen to Nicks.

1201
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,960
Look, I don't think Knicks fans
should be identifying he is a Knicks

1202
01:08:57,960 --> 01:09:00,760
fans at this point. This is
true paperback and you'll y'all are paperbacks status.

1203
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,079
But that's never gonna happen. Knicks
fans, they ride for theirs too.

1204
01:09:03,399 --> 01:09:08,199
But as someone that has watched from
Afar and seeing how terrible the organization

1205
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:10,399
has been buying large for the better
part of thirty, you know, thirty

1206
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:14,199
plus years, I know they've had
some runs. I was, I was,

1207
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,319
I was at least optimistic when I
saw that. So, you know,

1208
01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:19,159
if if he's able to pipeline some
of the CIA talent in there,

1209
01:09:19,239 --> 01:09:21,920
whether it's you know, and I'm
just gonna throw some out there, Booker

1210
01:09:23,039 --> 01:09:27,920
Embiid, Chris Paul, who's you
know, who's always been rumored out there?

1211
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,720
The name that I'm going to say
that people are the people are gonna

1212
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,239
be able to get upset. Yes, it is related to the stuff that's

1213
01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:36,239
going on right now, but it's
not because of the stuff that's going on

1214
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:39,000
right now. I think it's more
of a you know, straw that broke

1215
01:09:39,079 --> 01:09:42,640
the camel's back. Watch for Donovan
Mitchell to be in another market within the

1216
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,800
next year and a half. Yeah, one look, Gobert Mitchell is getting

1217
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:47,920
moved at some point. Yes,
Yes, that seems like FATA company And

1218
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:49,880
there are a lot of jazz fans
that listen to this podcast. I don't

1219
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:54,680
think it's I would personally Gobert is
the more valuable player right now. I

1220
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,119
think Mitchell is easier to just build
around. Looking at how the league has

1221
01:09:58,119 --> 01:10:00,319
been shaped, I just don't see. And it's not just about the COVID

1222
01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:04,960
stuff. I think this might have
been the jazz Is year and maybe maybe

1223
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,600
they look at his maybe perhaps next
year. But if they look, you

1224
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,560
don't have boyon Bygdanovitch, and this
year's playoffs, Mike Conley doesn't look right,

1225
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:14,560
and so you're gonna have him on
the payroll next season. Still if

1226
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,680
they have a disastrous playoffs where I
don't think the expectations have to be lowered

1227
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:21,159
without a boy on Bygdanovitch in the
lineup. So I get that. But

1228
01:10:21,279 --> 01:10:25,800
if you have another situation where Joe
Angele's even struggles to hit some wide open

1229
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:30,640
threes, Donovan Mitchell isn't great,
and Mike Conley's just still not right,

1230
01:10:30,399 --> 01:10:32,960
something to me there is going to
happen. Because now they've shelled out a

1231
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,880
ton of money, Mitchell's coming up
for his new deal, Gobert is gonna

1232
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:39,920
be up for his new deal as
well. That's a team I think you

1233
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,760
hit it right on the money there
there'll be a variety of different reasons for

1234
01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:45,119
it, but there's a chance that
they've kind of played this out already.

1235
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:50,479
Is as stupid as that sounds,
Yeah, it's certainly going to be interesting.

1236
01:10:51,079 --> 01:10:55,039
The Mitchell stuff that I was the
reason why I mentioned him specifically is

1237
01:10:55,079 --> 01:11:00,279
because again, look, these are
also difficult conversations. But if you're Utah,

1238
01:11:00,279 --> 01:11:01,960
if you're Salt Lake and you don't
get it, you know, you

1239
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,600
don't get the type of talent,
specifically the type of talent that Mitchell is,

1240
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:11,279
uh, you might not want to
run him out of town by by

1241
01:11:11,319 --> 01:11:15,199
piling on him at a time like
this. That's all together, Like I'm

1242
01:11:15,239 --> 01:11:17,840
just seeing I'm just being honest.
Like when I saw some of the comments

1243
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,479
and some of the you know,
some of the reactions, well, yes,

1244
01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:23,359
of course that's not representative. For
the record, it's not representative of

1245
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:26,640
all Utah fans. So I'm not
I'm not telling your listeners that you're all

1246
01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:30,119
like this, are they? But
you're all going to be lumped together when

1247
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:32,039
you like if it, if it's
when push comes to show, if if

1248
01:11:32,079 --> 01:11:35,640
it's okay, stay here or go
here, and like, and you're weighing

1249
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:39,800
out certain options that's not necessarily the
greatest of approaches, that's all. I'll

1250
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:43,880
say. Look, and people shouldn't
have a problem being looped together because you're

1251
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:45,920
if you could just recognize if you're
not that jazz fan, we're not,

1252
01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:49,319
they're not talking about you, then
you like it's it's that easy, Like

1253
01:11:49,359 --> 01:11:54,399
if they're talking about trash NBA Twitter
accounts, like you know, you can

1254
01:11:54,399 --> 01:11:56,239
look at it say, look,
they're not talking about me, They're talking

1255
01:11:56,279 --> 01:11:59,600
about Dan, So like you could
just you could be able to separate that.

1256
01:11:59,680 --> 01:12:03,600
Like people loop everything together, And
I don't think the reaction has to

1257
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:09,399
be to get mad as if you're
like misconveying this as all jazz fans suck.

1258
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,640
I fully recognize I've interacted with a
lot of jazz fans who do not

1259
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,039
suck. They I will say,
they are one of the most impassioned,

1260
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:21,039
interesting fan bases when it comes to
just basketball conversations. And that's just that's

1261
01:12:21,079 --> 01:12:26,520
not an insult. Just look at
them, the Lakers, the Sun's social

1262
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,520
media bases. They're very engaged and
some of their takes or to me,

1263
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:31,560
are just wild. But I've had
great conversations with many. I've had not

1264
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:36,000
so great conversations with others. It's
I'm not like you're not being called out

1265
01:12:36,039 --> 01:12:40,640
specifically if you're not part of that
problem. But that's a great point with

1266
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,880
with Mitchell is it's it's you could
look at it as, oh, he's

1267
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:45,199
only going to be a restricted free
agent, so the Jazz still have all

1268
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:47,359
the power, but you don't want
to put it in a situation where it's

1269
01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:51,560
this contentious relationship where he ends up
staying almost out of spite because he doesn't

1270
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:55,800
feel welcome and so, and look, by all means, it seems like

1271
01:12:55,880 --> 01:13:00,239
he's embraced that fan base and that
city since arriving there. They did hearn

1272
01:13:00,319 --> 01:13:03,239
on him. It seemed like a
little bit with the Rudy Gobert stuff,

1273
01:13:03,319 --> 01:13:08,479
and so I kind of felt where
he was coming from, Like I understand

1274
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:13,000
there was a point like Rudy Gobert. I don't want to rehash this stuff,

1275
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:15,760
but he deserved criticism because he didn't
take this seriously enough. It was

1276
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,680
also only a matter of time before
someone in the NBA tested positive for COVID,

1277
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:21,439
and so he's not the reason the
league shut down. I also don't

1278
01:13:21,479 --> 01:13:26,479
think he's some sort of martyr or
hero beat because he caught it and forced

1279
01:13:26,520 --> 01:13:30,119
the league to shut down. Like, Dan, I just realized something.

1280
01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:31,840
You may not have seen what came
out last night, but I'm actually referred

1281
01:13:31,840 --> 01:13:35,119
to isn't the isn't the beef with
the Gobert stuff for the flact that he

1282
01:13:35,159 --> 01:13:39,640
took as a result or that Mitchell
took a result of that. I'm talking

1283
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:44,159
about Donovan Mitchell. Yesterday, you
know, he on Instagram he posted something

1284
01:13:44,479 --> 01:13:46,279
something of the lines of your home
like like, you know, we are

1285
01:13:46,359 --> 01:13:53,039
free ish right, So anytime you
have anybody that questions the freedom or questions

1286
01:13:53,079 --> 01:13:57,039
anything, you know, the reaction
that you get. Jazz fanst went after

1287
01:13:57,119 --> 01:14:00,520
that man with some nasty Oh yeah, yeah, it's serious, a serious

1288
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,199
nasty news. And I'm the only
reason why I mentioned it again. And

1289
01:14:03,279 --> 01:14:05,840
you know people might not want to
hear it. This stuff matters, man,

1290
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:10,800
Like this stuff matters at this time, these these things will be remembered.

1291
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:14,319
And yeah, like to me,
that to me again, not loving

1292
01:14:14,319 --> 01:14:16,239
you all together? And and I
appreciate that point did you just made,

1293
01:14:16,319 --> 01:14:18,600
but you might want to get you
might want to check on your home easy

1294
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,479
if if they're the ones out there
sending you'll sending these messages. Oh no,

1295
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,159
yeah, I'm one hundred percent with
you, and I saw that I

1296
01:14:24,199 --> 01:14:26,640
was bringing it back to the COVID
as like another example of it seems like

1297
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:29,880
now it's twice. No, no, it seems like now it's twice that

1298
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:31,680
this happened in like a spend of
a month where the response to Donovan Mitchell

1299
01:14:31,680 --> 01:14:34,760
has been shall we say less than
warm and so, but I'm in I'm

1300
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:40,000
an agreement with you in totality right
there. Uh he look the Knicks big

1301
01:14:40,079 --> 01:14:42,800
name, they would love him.
We went deep on the jazz on that

1302
01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:46,479
Knicks one. I'm wondering where you
would stand if they ended up acquiring a

1303
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:50,079
Chris Paul because I'm normally against a
team in their situation getting this aging star,

1304
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:54,479
and it would be objectively hysterical if
they ended up training for him a

1305
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:58,119
decade after they were supposed to get
him that whole Big three with Stat and

1306
01:14:58,199 --> 01:15:00,960
mellow I Moost. I don't know
if I just have fatigue from being in

1307
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,359
New York and watching really bad basketball
teams, but I'm like, maybe that's

1308
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:09,199
not the worst idea in the world. He perhapsly blinded because he was so

1309
01:15:09,279 --> 01:15:12,119
good this year. I think if
you went out and got a Kevin Love

1310
01:15:12,319 --> 01:15:15,760
or Blake Griffin. That's a little
bit more reckless than going out and getting

1311
01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:19,319
a CP three. Maybe he's not
as happy as an actual mentor because the

1312
01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:23,399
Knicks wouldn't be as good as the
thunder. And then also, what does

1313
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,159
acquiring him say about how you're thinking
as a team. Are you all of

1314
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:27,760
a sudden in all, right,
well, now we got to see who

1315
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,119
we can get for for RJ.
Barrett, like, can we get another

1316
01:15:30,119 --> 01:15:31,159
bigger name in here? And then
you go out and trade for Kevin Love.

1317
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:35,640
Anyway, I'm just curious where you
stand on something like that. I

1318
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:39,760
think you do. I think you
absolutely make that move. If you talk

1319
01:15:39,840 --> 01:15:43,399
to Chris Paul, another CIA guy
once again, and he says, yeah,

1320
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,199
I'm interested in I'm interested in at
least being a part of that rebuild

1321
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:47,640
as opposed to this one being,
you know, being in New York City

1322
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:51,439
as opposed to you know, Oklahoma
City. Yeah, I think I don't

1323
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:56,520
think it would be Look, we
would we as NBA, Twitter would frame

1324
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:58,920
it as hey, look the Knicks, Knicks go Nick. They went out

1325
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,239
and got But it's not the same
thing as just getting like Kevin Love or

1326
01:16:02,319 --> 01:16:05,159
you'll Blake even though I spoke You'll
very highly of him earlier and I do

1327
01:16:05,159 --> 01:16:08,560
think he's still an impact. Well, it's not the same because we do

1328
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,359
have this history. We do have
de recent history, literally just months ago,

1329
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,920
of Chris Paul not just playing still
at an effective level, but really

1330
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:19,680
galvanizing a group that, to be
honest with you, unless you're an OK

1331
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:23,680
see die Hard, you probably went
into this year thinking that they were going

1332
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:28,359
to be absolutely in rebuild boat and
they weren't. No, they were a

1333
01:16:28,359 --> 01:16:30,720
team that I became emotionally attached to
because they overachieved. The overachievement was not

1334
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,319
blowing it up at the trade line. And look, it's different for Chris

1335
01:16:33,399 --> 01:16:35,560
Paul. I mean you could say
the same maybe for Kevin Love and Blake

1336
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,960
driven, but like, this isn't
if you don't overpay for him. Where

1337
01:16:38,960 --> 01:16:42,520
if you're just giving up expirings or
he's coming into your caps pace depending on

1338
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:45,399
how they operate this offseason. I
think that's the way to defend the move

1339
01:16:46,039 --> 01:16:48,119
I do. The last thing I
want to ask you on them, though,

1340
01:16:48,199 --> 01:16:50,720
is gut feeling. And I've actually
been impressed by the names that have

1341
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:55,119
been cropping up in their head coaches
search, it seems like they're finally thinking

1342
01:16:55,119 --> 01:16:59,279
outside the box looking at assistance as
opposed to just going after the bigger names

1343
01:16:59,319 --> 01:17:01,319
that are that are out there.
They always seem to be the organization two

1344
01:17:01,319 --> 01:17:04,399
steps behind and at least seems like
they're in lockstep with where they should be

1345
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:09,920
looking at the coaching market. But
do you think this team if you just

1346
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,399
had to guess, are they going
to go through a rebuild or is there

1347
01:17:13,399 --> 01:17:16,359
going to be are they going to
try and complete some sort of more instantaneous

1348
01:17:16,359 --> 01:17:21,720
solution. They're they're going for the
instantaneous like and it's like, especially at

1349
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:26,279
the coaching spot that like, look, I would respect the hell out of

1350
01:17:26,319 --> 01:17:29,119
them if they took one of the
like the really good assistants out there or

1351
01:17:29,119 --> 01:17:32,399
somebody that even one of these guys, Honestly, I well, you know

1352
01:17:32,399 --> 01:17:34,960
what, I'm not going to jump
out that window. They're going to end

1353
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:39,000
up with Tom Tibodeau or somebody is
someone along those lines as they're head coaching

1354
01:17:39,079 --> 01:17:42,000
and and I and look, I'm
not an anti Ton Tibodeau guy. I

1355
01:17:42,039 --> 01:17:45,840
also don't think that he was you
know, the Tom Tiboau the coach was

1356
01:17:45,880 --> 01:17:48,720
the problem in Minnesota. I think
Tom Tiboeau having the power, uh you'll

1357
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:54,960
to to facilitate all of the roster
moves was was was more of the problem

1358
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,239
because I just don't think that that
should be a combined role for anybody at

1359
01:17:59,279 --> 01:18:03,880
this stage. But in saying that, I'm not just totally you just denouncing

1360
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,720
Tom Thibodeau. But that's really what
it's going to be, because I don't

1361
01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:11,159
I don't see them, you know, having the type of imagination to to

1362
01:18:11,239 --> 01:18:15,199
really well, no, I don't. I don't see them having to having

1363
01:18:15,239 --> 01:18:16,720
the stones to really take that to
you know, take that lead in that

1364
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:19,600
market. I'm again in lockstep with
you. I think it's gonna end up

1365
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:23,560
being Thibodeau. And I'm not as
low on him as everybody else. If

1366
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:28,159
he can I was worried about his
offenses seem just sort of a little bland.

1367
01:18:28,239 --> 01:18:30,640
But if he can get to a
point where he's maybe Minnesota was a

1368
01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:32,319
wake up call for him and his
defense will change so that you're not allowing

1369
01:18:32,359 --> 01:18:36,279
as many of these open three point
looks. I don't think that he's a

1370
01:18:36,279 --> 01:18:40,279
bad coach, it's right now he
hasn't shown a willingness to adapt, but

1371
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,960
you know, what happened in Minnesota
has that changed him? He wouldn't be

1372
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:46,319
my pick, but perhaps ends up
working better than expected. I'm I'm with

1373
01:18:46,359 --> 01:18:49,119
you, though, This would the
real surprise would be. And I don't

1374
01:18:49,119 --> 01:18:51,680
know how they would signal this,
like is it, oh, they didn't

1375
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:55,680
trade for Chris Paul or they didn't
spend their cap space this summer. I

1376
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,600
don't know how they signaled that they
would be leaning into a full on rebuild,

1377
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:00,680
But that would be the real surprise
to me is that if there isn't

1378
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,640
some measure of no, you know
what, maybe well, we're we're accepting

1379
01:19:02,640 --> 01:19:04,720
we're gonna be bad next season,
but the plan is to be really good

1380
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:08,680
by twenty and twenty one, and
we're gonna sign one of these big name

1381
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:13,079
free agents. It does feel like
they're eventually gonna lean more towards that direction,

1382
01:19:13,119 --> 01:19:16,479
if they're not outright doing it behind
the scenes already. I think I

1383
01:19:16,520 --> 01:19:20,119
think the biggest, the greatest signal
might be if they go for the you

1384
01:19:20,119 --> 01:19:25,079
know, if they go for the
talent or the player before they set install

1385
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:28,079
which direction the organizations is going to
go in from a from you know,

1386
01:19:28,119 --> 01:19:31,439
from a mindset standpoint from you know, from a with the coach, I

1387
01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:34,359
think that we don't we have our
answer? Oh yeah, because right because

1388
01:19:34,359 --> 01:19:38,359
they should. They should. They
should absolutely have a coach in place before

1389
01:19:38,359 --> 01:19:41,079
they decide what talent did they're going
to be bringing in, right, And

1390
01:19:41,119 --> 01:19:44,560
so if they went with a Kenny
Atkinson, or let's say, if they

1391
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,039
go with a Will Hardy or like
an email Udoka, like that would be

1392
01:19:47,079 --> 01:19:49,039
like, oh, the Knicks are
actually gonna rebuild. But if they hire

1393
01:19:49,039 --> 01:19:53,479
Thibodeau, it's just like, oh, they're they're gonna try and win right

1394
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:55,680
away. That's actually I don't know
why I didn't think of it in those

1395
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,079
terms. But if it's Tips that
gets the job, I don't think there's

1396
01:19:58,119 --> 01:20:01,800
any doubt that the Knicks are thinking
more immediate than than gradual, and I

1397
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:06,359
think they are. I think they
all Will Jabari I kept you way longer

1398
01:20:06,399 --> 01:20:10,039
than I said I was going to
keep you, So I appreciate you staying

1399
01:20:10,039 --> 01:20:12,920
on and talking to us about the
bubble, talking to me about about some

1400
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:15,880
hoops. It was a lot of
fun. If you guys has mentioned at

1401
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:17,760
the top, if you don't follow
him already on Twitter, you need to

1402
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remedy that immediately could be found at
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jab A Rii Davis MBA. Thank
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and I'm sure I'll be pestering you
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when you asked. I'm even happier
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well. Thank you so much.
I'll talk to you soon.