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talk some hoops with Jabari Davis from the Dunks and Discords Pod. Jabari,
this seems like a loaded question, obviously given everything that's going on, But
but how are you doing? I mean, yea, we we kind of
spoke about it in the pre show. I'm doing as well as anybody can
be expected, you know, with everything that's going on. As you just
alluded to right now, being healthy and being safe is about it is about
as much as I can asked for. How about your self? Yeah,
I'm the same. I'm with you. It's I feel stupid asking people how
they are during this time, But then it's like you can't be rude and
not not ask them, and so it's like it's a loaded question, but
I'm glad to hear that you're doing well. And like I said, I'm
the same well as can be, as well as can be relative to everything
that's going on about One of the things, of course that is going on
is the NBA's bubble is the Bubble protocol, and Disney World is getting a
lot more I don't want to say pushback. It seems like a lot more
new elements to it, or new twists and turns. Maybe we should have
expected as we get a little bit closer. It felt like once they came
out with the plan, that you know, they would come out with the
details. We'd make fun of some of the protocols or luxuries like them having
personal DJs within the Disney World bubble or or things along those lines. But
it has there's the conversation has expanded, and maybe that was a natural point,
particularly with the COVID cases in Florida really just ramping up. So I
wanted to get your, first off, your impression of the restart protocol in
Disney World now that we have, Now that that document one hundred and eighty
million pages, whatever it was, was basically leaked in fall, and so
I'm just knowing that the league is going to restart, like that's their plan.
I think we can I don't know if we can all agree, but
if you want to talk about whether they should be restarting, I think if
safety was actually the number one priority, they would not be. But I
think, insofar as we look at it that they're going to restart, I'm
wondering, what, then, your impression is of how they've set up this
bubble and everything that goes into it. Well, I mean, of course
it's complex. The reality is this. Look, it's a business decision,
right, you know, and it's one that clearly comes with significant risk.
You know, regardless of whether how many times you know, folks tweet at
your players or tweet at or about players being spoiled millionaires. They're people first,
you know, So for the players, the coaches and staffers, your
park employees, it's all a calculated but fundamentally needed risk, you know,
from a business respective, And that's a part of the conversation that people aren't
necessarily comfortable with just you know, being you know, being frank about but
you know, the money and the potential market loss that took place with the
you know, with the more situation with Hong Kong, as well as all
of the all of this that has taken place over the last few months,
you know, the revenue that has been lost over the last few months,
as well as you know, the potential for the you know, for the
at least the threat of owners taking this opportunity to you know, tear up
the current CBA. This is a situation. This is a situation where they
have everybody has to get back to business. Now. I'm not being calloused
in any way and saying like, oh, hey, you know, money
over money over player safety, but I am being matter of fact about it.
That's what's taking place here, and I think, look, it's it's
important to remember that the players want the money too, Like, this isn't
just the money grabbed by the owners. However, I will say, and
Brian Winhorse has mentioned this a couple of times, and he's way more informed
than I am, obviously, but he's mentioned almost how the owners are going
to be taking a hit doing this because and that it's almost a favorite of
the players because they're re cooping about six hundred fifty million dollars in salary.
The one thing I want to make clear is that this is worth it for
the owners because even if they are going to lose money, which I remain
skeptical that they actually will, they're reinvesting at the bare minimum again in the
future of the league, because you don't want to go, you know,
close to a year or something without basketball and you have all these things happen,
not just you know, if the NFL season goes on, but we're
gonna have the election in November. You don't want people to forget about the
NBA. And so they're reinvesting in the future of their game. And I
think it's it's a money grant from both sides, but I don't want to
I don't like when it's spun that like, oh well, like the owners
are just going to be like if the inclination is to defend the billionaires and
all this, it's the same thing with MLB. It baffles me. Yeah,
I've never quite understood that, and that's why I let you That's why
I kind of came out the gates with being a matter of fact about the
situation. You know, once you've acknowledged that, once you have that acknowledgement
out of the way, you know, like, I really don't have an
issue with the attempt, but we have to just be honest about what this
is. Look, I'm going to reference something that I just found on Twitter,
and forgive me for doing this, but it's related breaking. This is
this is about Florida. Another record day in Florida added. They added four
thousand, forty nine new COVID nineteen cases overnight. That's a twelve point three
six percent positivity rate. So I say that knowing that these are these are
the circumstances. Now I will I will admit if I were a player.
The one red flag, the biggest red flag that I still have, is
the report that came out that certain park employees that are going to be directly
associated with the event won't be mandated to you know, won't be mandated to
stay in the bubble or get tested with regularity. And to me, that
actually just makes no sense, right because then you're poking holes holes in the
bubble and it's not a bubble at all. And look, you know,
we could talk about how players make millions of dollars, but the employees,
like you can't even I'm not going to knock them for leaving the bubble,
like to ask them to live in a bubble for that long when they're not
making nearly as much. And technically, if we're being honest, the Disney
employees and the NBA players should be getting like hazard pay or something because of
the risk that they're all I'm subjecting themselves too, even if it's willingly.
I don't care that we saw the report that Disney employees have volunteered to stay
in the bubble, Like, okay, great, Like there's still the working
class. They should be getting hazard paying. It's just the same with the
NBA in general, because they are the players are taking a risk. And
so I'm with you, that's the biggest thing. And I'm not an epidemiologist.
And I know that a few of them have come out and complimented the
the NBA's plan, and I guess spun it as it's as safe, I
guess as can possibly be. And I'm you know, that's great, But
I still don't understand, as you brought up, allowing so many people to
leave the bubble and then not at the bare minimum, subjecting them to the
same daily testing that the NBA players are going to get. Yeah, And
to that point, you're exactly right. It shouldn't even be It shouldn't even
be left up to them, the volunteer. They should be absolutely compensated in
advanced it should be. Hey, look, we recognize the risk that you're
going to be taken compared to the risk that the you know that the athletes
are going to be taken, and it's still the same risk. So let's
go ahead and take care of these folks. To be honest with you,
if we if the owners and the athletes are being taken care of, why
wouldn't you take care of the common man that's absolutely making the same type of
sacrifice. Now, this will put you on the spot a little bit because
I didn't mention this in the pre questions that I sent you. But was
there anything that came out like going towards the more hysterical side of the luxuries
or some of the way that the structures that you just found absolutely ridiculous,
like you know, the way they're going to wash the balls, anything to
do with the hotels or anything that just stuck out. You saw it and
you were like, okay, wow, this is just upsturt. You know,
I'm gonna be honest with you. The only thing that was absurd about
it is the fact that we found out about it, and in my opinion,
that's the owners. That's the owners putting that stuff out there in order
to continue to apply pressure to the players. And I thought that was a
little bit gross. Uh, you know, any any any time the players,
like any time the players wanted to even even discuss something, it was
immediately out there. And I get that, you know, they telling themselves
as well. But when I saw the owners basically putting it out there so
that the public can say, hey, look they're getting this, they're getting
that, they're getting this, what are they complaining about? I wasn't comfortable
with that. And I know that that probably doesn't bother a lot of people,
but I'm going to be honest with you, it's exactly along the line
of the types of games that is, you know that that establishments have been
playing and playing us for a long period of time. Yeah, there's the
information that reporters get, both from players and owners is just absolutely mind bomb
man. Like I'm at the point where like like shams and woe drawn these
player only calls right, like they're just the way I think JJ Reddick said
it on Bill Simmons' podcast recently where he he was, like Shams was tweeting
verbatim what was said on the zoom call. He's got to be there just
recording it and then tweeting it out afterwards. That's absolutely ridiculous in my mind.
Maybe part of the leagus two is they want to see the public response
because there's an optical element of all this, and so if you get pushed
back on certain things, maybe you could go back and adjust. But I
also tend to lean more towards you where it's the owners also want to put
pressure on the players, which is again ab certain itself. The thing mind's
a little bit more lighter. But the thing that I still find absolutely ridiculous
slash hysterical is it's mean that they're inviting the Wizards and the Sun's back just
to basically, you know, being quarantined and then have to be jettisoned before
their way, before their families and friends would even be eligible to come.
And now you're gonna make them stay at at the yacht club, which is
look for me, someone like me, that's fine, But they actually determine
the quality of hotel amenities basically by seating in the standings. That is,
like, can we at least appreciate that a little? Like that's the time
that we're in. Is that you now the place that you're staying was determined
by how much you won or lost during what was played during the regular season
so far. I'm gonna be honest, that's a little bit gross, but
I actually get it like that, Like, so basically it's this. They
obviously didn't have the accommodations for everybody to stay, you stay equally. How
else? How else are you going to break it down? You know what
I'm saying, Like, how how else are you going? Because like,
you know, you can't just say, like what, hey we like the
Lakers. Hey we like Hey, we like this team. So I you
know, it may not be as clean as it as figuratively, may not
be as clean as it should be. But I get having to, you
know, having to break things down, you know, to you know,
to things of that nature. The other thing I want to ask you about
it, and I phrase it as, were you at all surprised by the
reaction to Kyrie spearheading the push for players to sit out so they could remain
At the four of the protests against police brutality and racial inequality, and I
think, really I should have phrased it diferently because it's definitely not a surprise.
I more just wanted your own reaction to it, because it does seem
even if you don't like the messenger, because I know Kyrie has become a
meme and for you know, for some in some ways like he's deserved it
on certain things, but this is not one of them. When the message
is so clearly legitimate, and you have other players like in Avery, Bradley,
Lou Williams, Dwight Howard, They're all coming out and saying this,
I don't understand, like the inability to grasp it or where are people just
so insecure about their sports getting threatened that they just don't even want to listen.
Because this all seems like at least a topic worth talking about, and
I would want to know whether you lean one way or the other of what
the players should do. I'll never instruct them, but it does seem that
it at least is a legitimate conversation, and that he's speaking for a minority
of players, but a large minority of players, and so I just I
don't understand. I guess I was a little bit taken about back about how
widespread the resistance was to the to the stance that he took. Well,
you've got a combination of things going on here, and we just need to
be honest about it. You know, whether it's fair or not, credibility
of the messenger is always going to be factored in. And I'm not saying,
you know, I'm not saying one way or the other. I'm not
begging anybody to, you know, love Kyrie as a person or as a
player or anything or anything, but I will. But it is important to
acknowledge the credibility of the messenger was always factored in, especially when you're dealing
with something so significant. You know, Kyrie raised some absolutely legitimate points,
and you know he clearly has other players with that have the same concerns.
But if a majority of this or even a significant percentage of folks think that
your motives are disingenuous, then that obviously is going to derail the conversation.
And we saw that it clearly, did you know. I talked to Josh
about this on our show, and you know, that's the most unfortunate aspect
of it. But it's also a reality nonetheless, Yeah, and I think
your point about the messengers is like the most salient one of all. And
that's, by the way, this is another instance where like the leaks that
are coming out of the group conversations with nets players, whether that was actually
like did it actually happen? But do you have Taylor Rooks of Bleach Reports
saying that Kyrie left the chat after that leak came out, and so it
it adds a layer of legitimacy to it. And that's just another thing where
it's like, not everything needs to be leaked so quickly. Like I'm scold
the owners too, but like, if those are your teammates actually doing that,
that's actually wild to me. They either lie it on them or they
or they or they or they told on them, and either way that's all
bad. Man. That's like, if I'm Kyrie, regardless of whether it
was true or not, I'm leaving that chat because like at that point I
realized, oh, I can't trust these folks. They may be teammates for
now, but I cannot trust these guys. And and I'm going to go
ahead and step on out. But you know what, I should have also
mentioned the second part of this because it is a combination of things. The
second part of this, and a lot of the ritual role, is the
part that, again we don't like to acknowledge, we're also bored, We're
also restless, We're also frustrated and collectively tired. We you know, we
we want the NBA back, we need d NBA back, and and and
I know that sounds selfish, but I'm acknowledging what a lot of people just
don't want to say. So we're willing to move certain goals posts in order
to be more comfortable with things. I'm not judging anyone because, like I
said, I'm right alongside, and I'm I'm actively raising my hand right now.
I'm just willing to acknowledge that that's that that is playing into a lot
of people's reactions, right And it's easy for me to, you know,
say, the players should do whatever they want. But if basketball comes back,
and I would probably lean towards I think that they could probably I still
don't honestly know what the right call would be, but I could say,
like, yeah, they don't want to play, they don't want to play.
But if basketball comes back and it looks like it's going to I'm going
to watch it, I'm going to cover it. So it's just and it's
it's going to interest me. It's I mean, it's it's the Hong Kong
stuff all over again, where we have to acknowledge how hypocritical we can be.
Because yeah, I'm gonna applaud Daryl Murray for coming out and speaking in
favor of of civil rights. But at the same time, I recorded that
podcast from a mac mac Book pro and like where mac book prow's mate,
So it's like this is sort of something similar. But I'm wondering in your
opinion specifically, do you lean one way or the other on whether the players
could send more of a message during this time by not playing or by using
the platform they'd have in Disney to continue drawing attention to the to the racial
injustice and the protests. Well, I do want to stay for the record
that I don't fault anybody, you know, anybody that's of the opinion that
staying away would be the best thing. If that's what you genuinely believe,
then that's fine. I don't necessary align with it specifically because I think,
you know, because I think if you like, if you stay away,
While that's will be a story for a couple of minutes, the rest of
the league will be playing and they people will absolutely be focusing on that and
not on what you're saying. But I'd really like to I'd really like to
see the players as well as the league as what I'd like to see everybody
use this platform and not just to maintain the momentum, but to spread it
significantly further, you know, like beyond gestures like putting Black Lives Matter on
the floor on jerseys or things of that nature that we've seen, you know,
kind of thrown out there on Twitter, you know, which would be
a nice wink or nod, you know, to the moment, I'd like
to see players in the league and owners combine, you know, combine their
platforms and resources and not only shine a light on this situation, but also
initiate boards and projects and funds aimed at further support of both individuals and neighborhoods
perpetually impacted by systemic by systemic racism and injustice. You know, like as
we I kind of alluded to you earlier, like I've been asked repeatedly like
what is a win? You know, what is it? What does it
look like when when if we you know, have when if we progress enough
to you know, like to you know, to get back to sports.
I don't necessarily know that there's there's this a magic button that you can push
there, or like there's a you know, there's a marker for that.
But I will stay the win to me really is just you know, the
main maintaining this, continuing this, and just making sure that we don't lose
sight of it, regardless of whether we're playing or not. One thing clear,
I agree with you on everything you just said, and I think the
one concern I have if everyone is playing is what are can they do something
that won't be ignored because it's you know, it can't be protesting during the
national anthem. I thought maybe even a really what, in my opinion,
what would be maybe a powerful gesture would be to not have the national anthem
at the start of games. But then that's putting as maybe as like part
of whatever the NBA and the players collectively decided they can do. Maybe it's
part of it that works, but that's something that I think is too easily
tuned out. You know, you don't have to tune into the beginning of
games, and so it needs to be something and I don't know what this
is, but to me, it needs to be something that is happening during
the broadcast, whether you're having players who aren't in the bubble on the broadcast
with the announcers talking about this, whether you're having activists on there as well.
That it needs to be something that people can't ignore, because yes,
you're going to have all these eyes on you, and so I would lean
towards I think that you can send a bigger message against systemic racism while in
the bubble. But at the same time, I don't know what you can
do that will ensure that the message comes across and it's smack smack at deb
in the middle of people's faces. Because there are certain things that again you
pointed out, like you know, you could put Black Lives Matter on the
on the floors, that's a nice link it or nod, but it needs
to be something that's just more in our faces. I don't know what that
is, but I'm of the belief that if you put enough of the creative
minds together between the players and the league itself, they'll come up with something.
And one of the things you mentioned that I think would actually help is
whether teams got their responses right or wrong to Black Lives matter. That the
protests that we're going on, we saw a lot of cookie cutter ones.
We know that the Knicks are a ship organization. Still we saw the Wizards
did a great job. It would I think it would mean more, at
least from my end, if you do have the owners collectively like coming out
and supporting their players where it's not just the organization because we know, we
know that some of these guys who were in control of these NBA teams,
we know how they voted, or we know where their political stances are going
to be. But this really shouldn't be a political matter when you think about
it. And so if there's something that you know between these I even hate
calling them owners that like these team chairmen, these governors, whatever, if
there's something that could be done where it's clear that they're aligned with their players,
that might send a bigger message than doing anything that's already been done,
or like you said, just those sort of winking a nod gestures. You're
right, Like it's funny because we've seen this in the NFL. They most
of the NFL owners did not speak out like they're they're hiding behind the shield.
They're hiding behind Oh hey, we we released a mass, a mass
message. I would love to see that as well. I would love to
see them not standing and you're not standing physically, you're like, you know,
like for a photo op, but standing up and actually you know,
taking action at this time, we you with their with their players, not
just you know, you know, not just releasing a statement or as you
know, like you know, as you alluded to, like some some cookie
cutter message, actually putting some action behind those words. That's why I said
specifically actual projects in your you're within communities, within neighborhoods, funding you're like
you're funding funding restorative your projects. I think how it like you said,
get enough creative minds, because I certainly don't have all of the answers,
and we're not going to know, we're not going to we're not going to
quote unquote eliminate racism on this fifty minute pop Neal podcast. But if you
give enough collective minds and enough folks with you're with an unlimited amount of a
relatively unlimited amount of resources together, I would imagine you can come up with
something if you truly are interested in making a difference, right, And I
really do hope that whatever they do decide like there is an element of it
that's happening during the games, because I've even the ideas that players might address
it during you know, their virtual postgame pressers, that that's spectacular, they
should do it. That's so like people are you know, people are going
to be watching what's happening on the court and self no matter what. So
that's what I'm hoping they ultimately are able to figure out. I think that's
a really good point because that's actually something that I hadn't even considered that,
you know, like the difference, and not that I hadn't considered it,
I just hadn't. Yeah, well I guess yeah, I having considered people
will absolutely tune out if you do postgame pressers, they're gonna get the people
that the people that you need that message to get across to. They're the
ones they're going to tune out. Right, you and I will. You
and I are going to listen because we're interested in this, but but we
aren't necessarily the posts that need to be targeted at this time. So now
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experts. Are you ready to talk about some actual basketball in the later matters
though, I'm certainly going to try. Yes. So I'm bringing you on
because I want to the teams that are not in the bubble and so full
disclosure. I was just sending you We're going to tackle the biggest question facing
each of the team. Eight teams that are not going inside the bubble and
full disclosure. When I sent you an email of mine, I included the
Suns instead of the Timberwolves. So I'm still apparently crapping all over the Phoenix
Suns, who look Washington and Phoenix should not be in the bubble, were
invited to that. I just don't think they have enough of a statistical chance
for those games to matter. They get in a situation where they lose two
straight games, it's effectively over. But look, they're there. So I
apologize to Suns fans. I'm telling on myself here, but it was just
so egregious because I didn't even realize it after I sent it. It was
this It was like an hour before we recorded, and I was looking at
the email and I was like, I included the Suns on the list of
non bubble teams. That makes absolutely zero sense. So yeah, I think
you're being yourself up or nothing, because like, let's keep it really and
you know what, I've got plenty of your friends and family that are actually
sign as fans. They all know the deal. They all they all know
that. Honestly, they're probably hoping, well, I hope, I hope
they still talk about him because because they're going to want to know in two
weeks or you know, two weeks after you know they return accent any now,
So did you want to start with your cool is going out to go
on to alphabetical order? Is there a team in particular you wanted to start
with. You are the guests, so it's guests choice. It's all good.
We can go right down the list. You had Atlanta first. I've
got notes on Atlanta. All right, So what is your biggest question for
the Atlanta Hawks? I think I think you hit it on the head.
It was whether you well, well, it's it's two, it's twofold.
It's whether Capella and Collins as a front court will work in the future,
and then whether you pay Collins moving forward like it has Those have to be
the questions because we all, you know, everybody pretty much agrees to trade
is special. Whether you love him or not, you at least acknowledge it.
That's a special talent that you know, in his second year can Can
Can Can still considerably improve across the board. So that's not a crazy thought.
So you know, for me, the focus really has to be everything,
doing everything in your power to keep him happy and engaged. And NBA
fans may not like to hear that it's a second year guy. He's under
contract. Yeah, all of those things may be true, but the reality
is your second year guy, Like two games into it, his second year,
I already stay. There are already rumors that he wasn't necessarily the happiest
of individuals there. So if you have any interest, especially in a market
like Atlanta, that you know, it's not like you're just bringing them on
in when it comes to you know, special talent, you know, outside
of the draft, you might want to make sure that he's the you know,
he's happy with whatever decision you make. Yeah, and two trades credit
like this isn't he's he's ready now, regardless of where you fall on him.
Like what he can do on offense, he's a terrible defender, but
what he can do on offense, and you know, forget about like the
shooting and the passing, but like he's shown that he can finish over bigger
players, like he has like you know, knows how to get the height
and arc on his floaters. And he's been better at the rim through two
seasons than I thought he would ever be looking at just his size and build.
And so this isn't a slow burn development. He is ready now and
you as a player if you are a star, and he is an actual
star. Whether you think he's top fifteen, top twenty, top twenty five,
whatever, he's an actual star, and so he's ready now. And
I think that's why you need to really confront these decisions. I think it's
why you make a trade like the Capella one, because it's sort of when
now, and it gives you maybe someone who's a long term pick and roll
diving partner, and it'll help you defensively. My concerns here, though,
one I tend to be more callous when I'm looking at upcoming restricted free agents.
I understand that not all markets are created equally, and flexibility doesn't matter
the same to every other team, But you can just match whatever off for
John Collins is going to receive and restrict the free agency next year, and
so I always lean toward, you know, don't sign the extension. If
you're already capped out and you're not going to have money that summer, then
yeah, it's a nice gesture. But if you're not, which the Atlanta
unless they burn through all their zillions of dollars of cap space this summer,
on the lack of talent that's available in free agency, they're gonna have a
ton, and so I'd wait because you do need to see how the Capella
Collins front court works. I do believe it will work offensively, just John
Collins has shown enough. I think he's more comfortable working from face up positions
off the dribble, and then he's shown that he can shoot the three.
It's actually defense where I get a little concerned because I don't think Clint Capella
is a fine rim protector, but I don't know if he's someone who can
anchor an average defense on his own. And now if I don't know that,
he's also someone who's gonna then cover up for what Collins does. I
do think Collins is better off defending fours, but you need to have when
Trey's also on the floors part of this. You're not giving yourself a ton
of versatility. So those other two wings on the court, you know,
whether it's Hunter, cam Reddish, Kevin Hurt Like, you need the utmost
versatility there, and I do think Atlanta might have it. But you still
need to see if if it's going to work, and so I wouldn't pick
Collins this summer. The next summer I might but I wouldn't pay him.
I wouldn't give him an extension this year. And I'm curious whether you agree
with that. I absolutely agree with that. Look, Capella's twenty five years
old. He's already locked in into a reasonable ray for the next three years.
Collins, he's going to eventually, you would imagine he's going to want
a signific you can raise well, you know, once he's up. But
like you said, you don't have to. You don't have to cross that
bridge just yet. Uh. You have the ability to see if they're going
to fit, And like you, I think that they can. I think
they can fit. Offensively. Collins hit at forty percent from deep you know,
basically on three and a half attempts from you know at night. You
know, my my question is can he maintain that average? You know,
if you stretch it out to six seven attempts. Uh, you know you
would think that he could. And if so, offensively, you know,
that would be a good fit. But like you know, but like you,
defensively, I don't know Capella week side, your week side, your
defender, your rent protector. Yes, I haven't seen enough to truly believe
that he's an anchor and also given the fact that you, like you mentioned,
you've got Trey On on the court. Uh, you know, you've
got Colins on the court. You know your defense is really going to suffer
unless those other two guys are just absolutely incredible from that side of you know,
from that side of the court. And while yes, there's potential,
I don't necessarily see that from any of those three guys that you mentioned.
Yeah, and look, I think the other thing is is if John Collins
wants a max extension, which it was made clear in a report from the
Athletic earlier this year that he does, if you're not getting a discount,
I'm I'm always just wait, like you can max them out next year.
So we are. It does seem like we're on the same page there.
That brings us to the Charlotte Hornets, which are you know, I kind
of I guess I copped out on their question because it's who to me,
Look, they're rebuilding. I think unless they think they're gonna they are gonna
have cap space this summer. So who knows it is a It is a
Michael Jordan captain team. My question for them was who is their primary building
block? And I say that because I don't think they have one, and
so the question is how do they get one? Because now you're staring at
a draft class where you probably aren't going to land one, and a free
agency class where hey, it's great you have all this money, but who
are you spending it on. You can throw a max offer sheet to brandon
Ingram and the Pelicans are just gonna match it. And from there that's really
the only kind of young, youngish player that's worth throwing a ton of money
at to me in this free agency class. Yeah, the deal. The
honest answer is they don't have one. Look. I like DeVante Graham a
lot, but you know, do you you keep playing him alongside Rosier?
You know, like do you eventually you'll pay him in a couple of years
as well. It basically Charlotte left me with no soop questions because they're always
left like can you you can you win? And I'm not talking about win
a title, We're not going to have that conversation. Can you win in
general with a backcourt that you know that you know that is those two guys?
Or are you already looking to move on you know Rosier? Yeah?
Like I don't know, like they they're You're never going to sign a guy
straight out, you know, like a big name guy straight out, because
to be honest with you, unless it's like Steph Curry at the end of
at the end of his career like you as as in a name, you
know, going back to his you know, home, home area, your
Yeah, that's what he's got, you know what I'm yeah, exactly,
or brandon Ingram like eight years from now. I just don't think that's going
to be. I just don't think that's going to happen because, like you
said, the teams can always just match whatever offer, you know, whatever
offer you have there. So really you're going to have to hit the draft.
You're gonna have to be creative in the process. Throughout the summer.
You know, they've got they've got I did take a look at what they
the assets they have. They've got more school seconds and as well as their
first over the next couple of years. You know, if you aren't in
love with any other prospects or don't feel that you have you know, don't
feel you know, quite as strong in your ability to draft, then maybe
package those picks with some established talent, you know, why not? Why
not engage. Why not try to engage with Boston following the season. They'll
have Hayward that's on the last year of his deal. Uh, you know,
and quite frankly, they should the focus should have already been you know,
the Jalen and Jason, you know, stepping forward more there. So
you know, my question is would they take back up a tune deal as
well as and a young guy and some picks you for you four and expiring
Hayward deal. I'm not saying that that's the answer. I'm saying that that's
the type of creativity that they're going to need to have. Yeah, that's
a good point. And look, this is not they have a I think
it's a thirty two percent chance of landing in the top four of the draft,
which hey, great, But they're slotted at eighth in general. And
if you end up there, some of the players that are and I haven't
gone deep into my draft prep just yet. It's not happening until October,
folks, so I have plenty of time. But like you're gonna end up
with Tyrese Haliburton, Cool, Anthony Killian Hayes, those might be the center
available. You don't necessarily you could go with another one, but you don't
need another guard on this team. And you've brought up an interesting point with
Devonte Graham super cheap next year, and then they have to decide whether they
want to pay him, and it's really weird. He well, it's not
weird. I know his shooting percentages have plummeted since since the beginning of the
season, but he's still so important of what they do on offense because he's
really the only guy who can put pressure on defenses off the dribble. And
if you look at the on off shooting splits for certain players with and without
Devonte Graham, including Terry Rosier, it is not pretty. And now you're
in this weird situation to me where you're so dependent on Devonte Graham, who
good player I think he could be. He's he's a real starter in this
league. He's very good, but he's also not the guy that you want
to have so much of your livelihood tethered two to where what do you have
to end up paying him in two thousand twenty one. That's a question that
they're going to have to ask internally as well. If it continues, you're
gonna have to max him out and that's absolutely nuts. And hey, look
I'm all in favor of play. I'm gonna get your chicks money. I'm
always in favor of it. But if you are maxing out DeVante Graham and
you still have you know, Terry Wheel zero on your books, that I
think he might be up at the at that time as well. But either
way, if you're maxing out DeVante Graham and you're and you're still you'll kind
of spending your wheels two years from now, well then you're gonna end up
being perpetually Charlotte. That's a great way to put it. Perpetually Charlotte.
And yeah, that's something I don't even really consider. So that would be
the final year of Rosier's deals. The first year of Grahams would be a
new deal. If like they could feasibly have forty million dollars tied up in
and DeVante Graham at one point, just it's for a season, but that's
just still not ideal. I mean, if we're being fair right now,
they have with like fifty million tied up between Betune, you know, who
played like five minutes a game last year and Rosier. But I don't want
to Pourse salt on wounds. No, I agreed. I think I think
ultimately you have to make a decision there. Graham is probably the choice.
He's younger, cheaper, you know, more, you know, more workable
contract obviously at the state. But you didn't. I said it with a
question Earliers, because it's like, is there is there is there a team
that that would want Rosier back or that I say back because I had Boston
in mind, but that would want Rosier. There were those rumors that I'm
almost one hundred percent sure of release from the Knicks's end because I don't know
why the Hornets would want Julius Randall. But that's the idea that's been floated
around is let's say the Knicks failed to max out Fred Vanfleet the summer,
he decides to stay in Toronto. I'm that's something that they would consider,
But I don't know why you would want Julius Randall if you could send Look,
I'm gonna be honest. Rosier is fine, and I think he's shown
that he can play off the ball well. But if you can send him
into New York's cap space, if they decide to operate with cap space,
I don't know why you wouldn't do it. Yeah, is Randall is randalled
up after this year, after next season, so he has a partial guarantee
on his third year, whereas I believe Rosier's is fully guaranteed. That was
still one of the more mind melting contracts. Again, I'm pro players getting
money. Trevor Reis is one of my favorite free agency guys because he just
gets paid. He follows the money, and then he'll just get traded to
a better team at mid season. So shout out to have an a dope
agent, right, Like, really if you get if you're a player that
you know that has been in the league for a long period of time,
generally, unless you're a superstar, generally you've got some really good your representation.
That Trevor rees is absolutely one of those. And so yeah, if
you're Charlotte, you could look at it and say, rather than pay Rosie
or seventeen plus million in twenty one twenty two, we have Julius Randall,
who, yeah he's on the books for nineteen point eight, but only four
millions guarantee. They could look at it that way, but then you still
have a year of Julius Randall with PJ. Washington and Miles Bridges. I'm
just not really sure where that gets you. It's it's it's not going to
get you anywhere. You maybe, you know, maybe you catch lightning in
a bottle. Maybe DeVante Grant continues to develop, Maybe some of those all
to get your bounce, Bridge and some of those other guys continue to develop,
and you have a team that's at least scrappy enough to be like a
grit and grind, you know, first round. Now, I know that
sounds like I'm being a jerk, but really that's that's a step up from
where they are right now. So it's at least, you know, headed
in the right to rixon because then after that first season, after that one
season, if it didn't work out with Randall, then you can always you
know, you always let them, let them walk, and then you utilize
that cap space. I am terrified for their fans of what might happen in
free agency with them, Like you give the Hornets cap space. It's a
problem in general, but if you give them cap space, is one of
the only let's say four to six teams that have cap space. Oh buddy,
in a bad free agency class, I don't know, little kids running
around Willy Wonka, you know, with Willy Wonka and the Chocolate factor,
just going nuts eating everything, just you know, jumping in you know,
jumping in chocolate lakes. Doesn't matter. Wait a second. As a matter
of fact, Oh my goodness, is MITx cup check still the GM there?
Yeah? Okay, all right, I mean no disrespect. But at
at twelve oh one, when free agency started in twenty sixteen or twenty seventeen,
whichever year that was, that man went offered, went ahead and offered
a max deal to timofey Mozgov and then backed it up with a with a
with a large deal to Lull Dang oh man, awesome prayers, Charlotte.
Seriously, Yeah, those were some puzzling deals right up there, with the
Knicks bidding against themselves for for Jokim noah uh so so yeah, that does
bring us to the Chicago Bulls. What was your what's your biggest question for
them? Man? They've got you know, it's funny because you you asked,
like, you know, is anybody that you know, is there anybody
that should be off limits or that idea or that that that shouldn't be off
limits? Right? I looked at it. They've got seventy one wins over
the last three years, you know, so it's difficult for me to see
anyone being absolutely off limits. You know. I understand that they like,
you know that they may like marking In or Kobe White or you know,
Window Carter Junior or whomever, but no one, you know, no one
is at this point. Uh, it doesn't appear that Lavigne, you know,
wants to be there long term. And to be honest with you,
as he's heading in, you know, he's at a relatively decent rate,
right around twenty million a year for what he you know, what he brings
to the table for the next two years. And he's heading in, and
he's heading into his prime. You're in a rebuilt situation. You might as
well at least explore, in my opinion, you might as well at least
explore the idea of moving him and seeing what you can get. Yeah,
I'm I think just because when you change front offices, they always seems to
the new regimes want to leave their imprint on the roster. And so when
I look at the bulls, I'm looking at probably Wendell Carter Junior and Kobe
White, and then this year's pick, since they're that front officeably the one
making it. Those are the untouchables to me, and I think you,
I don't know that you have to go into the seeing saying let's burn the
rest of this down. But I'm absolutely shopping zach Lavine. Who Look,
he's good if you put him as a number two or number three option where
you're not leaning on him to be more of a ball mover, which he's
just not. I think he's super valuable. And his contract is just it's
aged very well. I was among the people making jokes about it when they
matched it once. I was making fun of Sacramento for offering it, and
then we dragged Chicago when they matched it. That contract is aged very nicely,
and so oh yeah, I'm just go ahead. It's just with two
years left, I think now would be the time to probably get maximum value
for him, especially when there's just this lack of star power, not only
in free agency but really on the trade market. When you think about it,
you know, when you said it him as a two, I thought,
well, what about him as a three? And then you followed up,
obviously with him as three? What about Zach Lavine? Has that third
option, as you know, for the Lakers next year. I just what
are the Lakers given you for Zach Lavine. I know it's tough, and
and obviously, look, I don't I don't do the whole like I'm going
to pretend that I'm like a Twitter GM because I'm not, you know,
like it for be the only person who's ever going to admit that well,
because the truth of the matter is, for one, we don't like we
can presume what we you know, what we think the gms or the team
presidents or whomever is making basketball decisions in the gym, and you know,
in a given organization, we can presume. We can we can assume that
we know what they're what they how they feel about a prospect. But we
have no idea, We have no idea. If you know, somebody in
Bulls upper management it says, you know what, I recognize that you know,
it probably makes a lot of sense for Zach Lavine to be moved.
But I just love that guy. I love the way that he can you
know they did he's you know, yeah, he plays for us, or
however, you know what I'm saying, or you also never know, you
never know what you what other what gms may have down the line. One
thing I will say is this, if you're the Lakers or if you're another
team, any other team that is looking to get your kind of like put
yourself over the top or distance yourself from somebody else, I think zach Lavine
is absolutely the first. You're one of the first targets that I would try
to go for this offseason. This isn't a team where he would put them
over the top, but I think because they have at least some other offensive
options, he can slide into more of a number two rule. But zach
Lavine might look nice in Orlando, where you have vouch and we've seen some
development from Mark Elfolts. At the very least, you're going to surround him
with a lot better defenders. And so I mean if he's there with Evan
Fournier, there might be more proven outlets. You know, maybe Kobe White
becomes that level of player anyway, But just looking at what Orlando can do
defensively and how much they need pretty much everything zach Lavine does on the offensive
end, just that guy who can go get you a bucket from scratch,
hit these tough threes, open the floor up for everybody else, even though
you know his zach Lavine has the assist numbers. But I don't look at
zact Levine as like this expert passer. That's a team that I always thought
he might be a nice fit for. You know, that's actually a really
good point. I could absolutely see him fitting there. And as soon as
you said that, I thought, well, what about him Phoenix as well?
Because I would love to see that Perry and alongside Booker and like you,
he's not necessarily a playmaker, but he's a guy that you know,
because you because he's gonna draw so much attention because he's got the balls in
his hands so much. I'm speaking of Lavine here. Uh, he's he's
going to have opportunity to set somebody else up. So yeah, I wouldn't
mind, you know, Like of course, you know I'm being a homer
when I you know, when I even referenced, you know, the Lakers
getting him, I would love Hey, look, I'm honest by mine,
you know, but but but I would love to see him in in a
situation like Orlando or like you know, in a Phoenix. You know who
you know who will be left out of this conversation because of course they are
in the bubble. Yeah, you know, you know it would be it
would be fun to see him, you know, in a better situation and
as well as well as giving the flexibility back to Chicago and you know,
maybe not the Laker situation specifically. I don't don't think they would have the
asset cloud to get him. But a team like that that is going to
be competing for something just so we can get this is selfish, you know,
I want to see, can we know if zach Lavine is going to
help a good team win, And like maybe the Nets when they go third
star hunting on the trademarket this summer, I don't know that he's what they
need when you have Kyrie and KD and you also have other shock creators with
Dim Witty and Carris Lavert. But the Nets could actually put together a fair
trade package for him, particularly if the Bulls like Lavert. And then maybe
you're worried about what Kevin Durant can do, you know, from square one,
when he's coming back from that Achilles injury and you know Kyrie's banged up,
perhaps that's a team they don't really have the defensive cover up for him,
but I want to see him on a team that's going to compete for
something where he would be number three would be ideal, but even the number
two, because let's see if Yeah, I don't think he's an empty calories
guy, even though those are the teams that he's capitalized on, but like,
let's put that to the test, and he's really he's not in a
position to do that in Chicago right now, and I don't know that they're
going to get there for quite some time. And the last thing on them
is I think I might be out on Laurie market and lowry marketing. I'm
not sure if it's because of Boylan and the injuries, but I just haven't
seen enough enough growth from him on the offensive end where he looks like a
more dynamic player, some uncomfortable putting the ball on the floor. And I
know, look, he hasn't been in the best position the season before this
one where they were just giving him all these grenades late in the shot clock
in the post was just terrible decision making. But at some point, I
do feel like he has to bear a brunt of this responsibility, and I
think with his extension coming up, he would definitely be someone if I'm them,
I'm looking to move Yeah, if that's actually why I mentioned him first,
you know, when when I first started answering this one, it's because,
look, I like Laurie, Laurie marking in and forgive me if I
keep on butchering, you know, Butchering go between his first name. I
think I've heard announcers say it too many different ways. So I tried toify
the phonetic pronunciations on basketball resumes, but I evacillated between like Lowry and Laura,
like it's it's bad. So I'm working in marketing, would be he
would be the guy as well, kind of like with you know, kind
of like with the Conlin situation in Atlanta. You know, maybe maybe give
it another half a year, maybe give it or give it this year and
make that you make that determination. But you know, if his body's not
going to be able to hold up, or or he simply you know,
it's simply not necessarily the best of situations for him, I probably would.
I probably would look to move him as well, moving on to Cleveland.
But yeah, I mean, I'm with you there by the way, and
I just I don't know what he's going to command. Maybe Dario Sarch's market
this year might be a good a barometer for it, although there's really no
cap space, so that might actually be a terrible okage to see what he
gets. But if he wants maware, you know, if you're more than
four forty eight like you, I think you have to start looking at at
jettisoning him. If he wants more than yes, you do need to moving
on to Cleveland. This was my question for them. I'm not sure if
you have a more nuanced one. Are they actually rebuilding? Like we need
to figure this out. Kevin Love is still there. They traded for Andre
Drummond, who's definitely opting in. And yeah, you have these three young
guards. You're gonna have another highest draft pick this year. But so long
as you have Drummond, and look, Drummond can clean up all the misses.
That's these young guards are gonna wrap up. But like, are like,
what is happening here? Yeah? Man, I looked at that roster
and it was basically full of guys that literally made me go like, hmm,
okay, he's there. Okayty paid Jetty like so it's like okay,
like is he part of like a rebuilding team, like he really is him
because I don't think he's gonna be that great, but you've already extended.
It's just it's such a weird situation. Yeah, they've got talent there,
but none of it fit's you know, part of it. Part of it's
understandable, Like you look, they still have three or four Lebron roster guys,
and Lebron roster guys really only fit with Lebron and and and that's not
a knock, that's just a reality. Uh, you know, but you
know you've got you have to rebuild slowly kind of surrounding that that old structure,
and that's always gonna look funky. Yeah, I like sexon in Garland.
I'm intrigued by Kevin Porter Junior. But ultimately is the idea to continue
to build around those three because if that's the case, you've got six one,
six one and six four. And I recognized that, you know,
your positional basketballs is not a thing anymore. And I recognized that, you
know, the courts are spread and shooting it you know, shooting is you
know, shooting is you know, is the primary focus or at least you'll
in certain circumstances, but that that seems like a recipe for disaster unless you've
got you know, you know, kind of like like with the Atlanta thing,
unless you've got to just you know, incredible Kevin Garnett, like of
your versatility defenders at the other positions. Part of me just when you know,
wonders how that how that's ever going to work. And like you said,
Drumming is absolutely going to going to you know, sign back up.
So you know, really what are they doing there? I know I gave
you that was a lot of word vomit to say I have no idea what
they're doing there. But I have no idea what they're doing there. That's
the only way to talk about the Kevaliers at this point though, is word
vomit. And it'd be so bizarre if they end up resigning Tristan Thompson too,
because that was they already have Larry Nance under contract as well, and
they didn't move or like broker a buyout with Tristan Thompson. My guess would
be he leaves. But if you have Drummond opening and opting in and him
coming back and then things get really thorny. What if they end up drafting
another guard in the draft because I like Sexton, I'm probably higher on him
than most. I think my favorite young player that they have is Kevin Order
Junior though just looking at what he can kind of do off the balance and
showed flashes of even as a secondary playmaker too. Perhaps, however, I'll
fully admit that him, Garland and Sexton are not good enough for them to
say, well, we're not going to take a guard in this year's draft.
And so if they end up in a position where Anthony Edwards you can
call him a wing, that's fine. But let's say Anthony Edwards is already
off the board and you you don't end up with the second or third pick,
and like if LaMelo Ball is just still on the board, or do
they take him? And then then what happens from there? Do you actually
go into next season with all four of those guys on the roster. There
are a lot of guards though at the top of this draft, so not
even LaMelo specifically, but what happens if they wind up taking another one.
Honestly, if one is out there that's better than the options that you currently
have, you have to take him. And while that's going to feel very
very David Kahn, Minnesota. You're you're going to have to You're gonna have
to figure that out. It may be as simple as this, if you're
in that position, take your pick with you know, like you two of
the three that you got left and move forward, or maybe even you know,
maybe even the idea of packaging a couple of those guys that you have
less and move forward. But then again, I guess again, it depends
on how much they're in love with these guys, and you just never know
because what they say publicly is never what is actually in the case behind closed
doors. I would be curious what they could get for Colin Sexton on the
trade market. You never see rookies like or guys on the rookie contracts like
him get moved, you know where. It's three years left before his stricky
free agency. I'm just curious, particularly in this draft, would you get
another really high pick. You're getting a premo twenty twenty one pick. I'd
just be curious to see what the going rate for him would be if they
just made him available. I don't think, I don't think alone that you
know you're getting much, But maybe if you would attached an expiring you know,
a larger deal, you'll make it worth the other teams while you can
get something for him. I think it's I think moving forward, I think
a lot of deals will you will include that, especially with this team.
Yeah. No, that's a good point, and that's the problem. That's
why these guys don't get traded because they're so valuable relative to their to their
pay scale. Maybe this draft class will be the exception because if you have
to pay the number one pick whatever it ends, was it four years and
fifty million dollars? Basically, they're obviously two team options attached to that.
But that's actually a little bit scary when you're looking at this this draft class.
The next team we have is the Detroit Pistons, who might be might
deserve some more word vomit. But what's your question for them and new new
GM Troy Reaver. The question is what are you going to do? Is
it going to be like just what you said, Is it going to be
a full rebuilder? You're going to continue to pretend that, you know,
we're going to be competitive with having guys like Blake Griffin on our roster.
I think they've got some interesting pieces and you know, Sayko, I'm not
going to Butcher's last name Mackay Luke, and I actually like Christian Wood.
I'm not saying that any of those are franchised guys, but I my thought
would be the first thing that you need to do is is is made the
decision to go ahead and move Blake and get him healthy, make sure that
he's healthy, because Winny sealthy is still highly effective. You know, whether
it's you know, engaging with a Miami You're get, engaging with the new
kay See or however you want to do it. You know, I'm gonna
throw Phoenix back into that mix because you know Phoenix in Toronto around the league.
While yes, everybody's got medical staff, everybody's got great you know,
you know, or you're got reputable training staffs. For whatever the reason is,
those two franchises, you know, they kind of stand out. If
I'm Blake Griffin, I wouldn't necessarily mind, you mind having a run with
one of those franchise and he met with them during free agency before he resigned
with the Clippers too. Yeah, I honestly think like the very first thing
that needs to take place is you go ahead and you move on from Blake,
and and that sucks because Blake, you know, like, this is
not a this is not a oh Blake Griffin sucks situation. It just means
Blake Griffin is a is A is a guy that you add to a team
that's already ready to go, that you you know, did you did you
want that vet? You know that vet guy that can still play that puts
you over the top, and not the guy that you that you're gonna say,
we're gonna rebuild around this guy right now and in year like ten.
That I think I would agree with you if I didn't think it was going
to take a pretty like sweet sweetener to get Blake off the books too.
You're seventy five point eight million left. You're probably I think you're right thinking
on the lines of can you if he's healthy to start the season, can
you build up his value and then move him at the deadline. It's even
if it's a salary wash and you're just taking back expiring as you come out
on topic right now, I don't even know if you attached Luke Kenard to
Blake Griffin. I don't know if you'd get a team to take him.
Maybe Phoenix because they showed interest in Luke Canard to begin with. But that's
that's the price that you would have to pay to get Blake off the books.
I'm not sure if it's worth it to Detroit when they you are going
to be entering everybody, so you can't give up picks. Maybe Canard,
though, would be the line, just because he's extension knowledgeable himself and has
the authritic knees. Apparently, that would be the question I'm asking if I'm
Troy Weaver, is what would it take to get Blake off the books?
Right now? I think if there's any chance whatsoever that you can attach Kenard
to him, and and I mean no disrespect Pistons fans, because I can
already see Pistons fans getting mad, I'm not paying Luke Kennard moving forward.
So if if I'm the guy, I'm definitely looking, looking, looking to
do that. If that's a possibility, you know at all, It's something
that I would explore. And it look I'm a little bit moreking like kind
of like you, I'm a little bit more caalous when it comes to paying
guys, Like I want people to get paid, but I'm just not willing
to just say like, oh, well, hey, we gotta pay somebody,
so let's just go ahead and do it, you know, And if
Phoenix is willing to be that, if Phoenix is willing to be that team
that doesn't, hey, go ahead, And what's what's my man's name,
Lebron's budding James Jones, James Jones, James Jones. I mean, no
disrespect. It really slipped my mind, but I knew if I said it
that way, you would know I'd get James Jones on the phone. Yeah.
And the way to go for me, though, might be let it
leak into the regular season, because maybe then you don't have to give up
as big of a sweetener or you know. And I'm not trying to pick
up well, I don't care about picking on them, but the Knicks are
star drunk all the time. If they end up, if they end up
not signing a big name in Francy, or even if they end up poaching
a Fred van Fleet, like, they just might want to get another big
name at some point. And if it's you know, perhaps they prefer CP
three or or Kevin Love. But if Blake is playing, well, that's
another team that you could just see talking themselves into Griffin. There is the
Jordan Brank action with the Hornets too. Is that a team that just gets
so desperate for a star. I think I'd commit myself though, going in
if I'm Detroit, going into the regular season, to seeing what Griffin looks
like, because I don't think you hurt, you know, I don't.
I don't think he's great. But if he's, if he's healthy, all
he's gonna do is help you contend for the playoffs, which isn't the worst
thing in the world. And if he's if he's not, even if he's
still really good, I don't think he's a player that can just sigle handedly
ruin your rebuild because he is a good passer. And I also don't know
that he alone guarantees you, you know, thirty four wins and that you're
stuck on that sort of a hellish treadmill. So that's actually and that's a
great point, but that's actually the reason why I would look to move him,
because I do think if he's healthy, he does help you compete,
and then you're just in first round out purgatory. I'm not saying I'm not
saying that you know, I'm not poo pooing you a playoff birth because of
course your fans, like look, at the end of the day, fans
either want to know that you that you're building something you know that's going to
be special down the line, or they at least want some sort of success
you something something to be happy now. So I get it. So so
if they ultimately determined, let's go ahead and keep him in the mix,
because you know, he's already on the books. Even if this isn't necessarily
his favorite place to play, he's already made the adjustment. He's here,
we have him been fold and and he is like you, like you mentioned,
he's a very good passer, very good distributor, distributor h you know,
for his position. You know, obviously he's worked on the range.
It's you know, he's he's the type player that I would want on my
team. I just unfortunately I would want him at that kid at that cap
though. No, I'm totally with you there, Detroit Saucee is gonna be
interesting. As you already mentioned, Christian Wood, I still think he might
get more than the mid level exception in this market. I actually think he's
worth it. I'm about as high on him, it seems as you are.
Yeah, yeah, no, he someone's going, someone's going to offer
him some money. So it's it's really going to be a matter of whether
Detroit, yeah, how much they see him as a part of their future,
and how how high they're willing to go. That's the But if I'm
picking it free agent, where I think Charlotte might overspend on, I'm looking
at christian Wood like that's the guy that I could see them just going like
a cuckoo for uh And it wouldn't surprise me if they came like, oh
the top with something egregious that Detroit just isn't going to be willing to match.
And if they do that, okay, again again get your money.
But christian Wood and Rosier are your cornerstones. Again, I'm not I perpetually
Charlotte. As you put it, there you go, there you go.
Next up is Golden State. The question I have for them is, and
it's loaded because we don't know where they're going to land in the draft just
yet, but what should they do with this year's draft pick? And I'll
frame it in the context of maybe you have just a more clear caught answer
where it's they should keep it or they should just move it. But like,
if you're looking for the return, like this isn't a pick that's gonna
get you, honest, so like we can we can throw that off the
table. But if it's if you can get in Aaron Gordon or Jonathan Isaac,
if if that's the type of player you're looking at, are you moving
that pick or you're just holding onto it and then hoping you kind of strike
lightning in a bottle with that prospect who either one sort of helps alleviate the
burden on your aging stars shoulders moving down the line, or perhaps he turns
into an even better trade asset because people won't be as low on him if
he developed properly relative to just how unfavorably this draft class is viewed right now.
That's a dicey choice, man, because like, let's be real,
if they get a guy in there and he's just a well, then they
totally just wasted it because and and not only did they waste the pick,
but they wasted uh, you know, the last couple of years of Steph
and Clay and that you know and and that whole you know that you know
that whole group. So me to be honest with you, I would either
I would be open to the idea of moving it for like a Gordon,
or moving it for you somebody of that nature, you somebody of that level,
if they if they felt, if they felt that that would be a
good fit. I don't necessarily know if they if they see Gordon as that,
but I would be intrigued by it. But honestly, again, and
not to be you know, not to be Twitter GM. Why not try
to be Why not try to s swing for the fences. You'll you'll think
bigger and better in this What about the idea of packaging that pick with Wiggins
or with a Draymond? And I recognize how cool hearted that sounds, but
they never should have signed Draymond to that, you know, to that extension.
And then yeah, what did he did? He like a tweet that
was like uh huh dragging, Uh I should curry that was like that.
I know, we as NBA Twitter members, we do sensationalize these things.
I do it normally ingest and then I recognize there are people to take it
too seriously, But like that's an actual that seems like an actual problem.
That's a that's a real problem. And the thing if it is is this,
like you, we all know what takes place. We don't have to
pretend like oil is a mistake or whatever. He saw that and said like,
yeah, that's right. And even if he thinks that way, you're
out of respect to your guy, you should at the very least you think,
yeah, maybe I shouldn't or maybe after you know, maybe after it
comes out, I'm gonna at least lie about it or try to save face.
No, he just left it there. Just triple check that you're on
your burner account. That's all. Yes, Yes, I'm glad you mentioned
that, because you know, Katie's not the only one with burners. You
know what I'm saying. I was like, sure, all these guys have
burners in some way, form or fastinal let me, let me, let
me throw a name out here. And this is going to be the part
where all of your listeners are like, you know, I was going to
consider listen, you know, taking a listen to this guy's show. But
this guy's an idiot, and get this jackass off the show. I'm gonna
throw this name out there. Tell me for Tita is in a situation where
he is in just dire straits financially, so his kind of situation. Yeah,
no, no, no, no, I'm describing exactly as it is.
How long before teams start to say, why don't we just go pry
James Harden out of there? Because I recognize that he is Houston and those
and what he means to that fan base. I recognize that I'm not in
any way stating that this is this is the you know, like, coming
to this decision is going to feel good. But if you're going to ever
maximize what you've got out of him, like say they you know, say
they go through these playoffs, they don't win again, I'm not saying that
the run is over. What I'm saying is I'm the type person that I
want to sell high. I never want to sell low. How long before
a team says, hey, let's go ahead and see what you know,
what type of package it actually we would take? Look, I think that's
an a valid question. I'm just not sure how much it would apply to
the Warriors because I don't know what else are you offering besides this pick to
get James Harden. You can go really distant into the future. I suppose
with your first rounders, and you also have that Minnesota pick. I just
don't know, you know, your salary anchor in that is obviously Andrew Wiggins.
I think they could probably get better offers than what the Warriors could could
sling. Maybe if this is something that Houston. Let's say Houston isn't good
next season and you're getting closer to the trade deadline and the Warriors still have
that prospect and he's playing really well, that's when their trade package becomes more
attractive. And that this is the rare situation where their pick is almost less
valuable before it turns into a player than it would be if they have a
chance to develop that player. There's a chance that it's not. But because
this draft class is so like, everyone just really isn't that high on it,
even towards the top. That's the sort of situation they're in, and
so I Houston specifically, if they're in that situation, there should absolutely be
teams calling, particularly if they flame out in the in the bubble playoffs,
whatever we're gonna call them this year. If they start off slow next year,
I'm absolutely calling Houston to ask about that. Yeah, I certainly would,
but I'm going to throw another name out there with relation to Golden State.
What it What does a Steph Clay and Bill lineup look like to you?
I think it would look good. What happens to the defense in that
scenario though, because I'm assuming you would give up Wiggins in that deal,
I wouldn't give up Draymond Green and yeah pick it would be Wiggins. So
now you have just no I mean, you have Clay, but you just
don't have another wing defender than besides them. And Andrew Wiggins is not good
on defense. So I was like sitting there, like, wait a second,
Dad, But he's at least a wing body, is what I'm saying.
Bradley beal Is is not the name I was gonna throw to you.
It was two names. So let's say you dangle Andrew Wiggins and then you
use the pick after it turns into a salary. What if you offer that
to Filly for Josh Richardson and to Buya's Harris Oh oh, put putting together
a solid roster. If I'm Olden State, I do that. Look I'm
gonna be in the full disclosure. I was all all over team Wiggins for
the for the first yo five years of this phenomenon. Yeah, going back
to high school, it looks I hope I'm wrong on him. I hope
he does turn into the guy that we all kind of like anticipated him turning
into. And let's and let's be clear, Andrew Wiggins is a good offensive
player, like he's Yeah, he's a getting score you some buckets, right,
but he was supposed to be better than that. He was supposed to
be significantly board there. I also don't think you need to apologize because what
is he seven years into his career at this point, like there's now you
don't need to apologize for being lower on him now, like we've we've passed
the point, oh six years now, excuse me, so, like we're
past the point where yeah, okay, he's still uh he's just twenty five,
but yeah, you've been in the league more than the half decade.
We can he's I don't think he's good overall. He's I think he's probably
he could be fine offensively, but he's just it's not even that he's not
as good as he's supposed to be. That was a whiff, Like he's
been he's been a whiff. Yeah, he certainly, he just has been
he has been. You know what, no need even pile on him.
I would look, I would look to move on him, you know,
before things even got started. And I look, if the Warriors are confident
in their ability to develop players, that's great, But I think let's just
look at the Angelo Russell. How they were out on him pretty quickly after
maintaining that they weren't going to be so look, well to think if it
is is we all saw that. We all looked at them and said,
like, well, hey, even if Seth's healthy, what's that backcourt?
Look like they can't defend anybody. They don't have Clay down to protect them,
they don't even have Katie. What is this like that? That's how
I was looking at that situation. And then I allowed, honestly, I
allowed Josh to talk me into it and talk me into hey, you know,
you never know if they get go. Yeah, we saw what that
was, and look, I'd love to be wrong because if Wiggins ends up
being that guy out of nowhere in year seven, cool, it's not gonna
happen. You just said it to a year seven. That's what's just comic.
Look at least I guess they've kicked they can where it's you could see
what Wiggins and the Minnesota pick turns into, so you can the jury could
still be out, but I'm totally with you there. Uh. The team
that I excluded when I first sent you the blueprint for this podcast was the
Minnesota Timberwolves. My biggest question for them, curious if you agree, would
be what who are you putting it around? Dianzel Russell and Karl Anthony Town
specifically in the front court. I feel like it's really important, like the
idea of a James Johnson but not actually James Johnson is. It feels like
who who they need? It's a guy who could defend both fours and fives
and then but also dribble and space the floor. It seems like they need
that player. They need wings in general, and again it's like a James
Johnson player. But who's not James Johnson is kind of where I'm at,
you know who? They could use Robert Covington back like that type of player,
Like those are the type of guys you you just hit it. They've
you know, they've got to be able to defend multiple positions. They've got
to be able to theyve gotta be able to space it a little bit.
They've gotta be able to, you know, do a little bit of playmaking,
do kind of like jack of all trades type, you know type deal,
and they just they just ship one out and now a look they did
what they have to do. Whatever. But yeah, they need those types
of guys. And as I'm sitting here trying to think on the spot,
who's help it that would even be available. Like, here's the sad thing.
They need those types of guys. But I could see them going going
and getting like a Kuzma, you know what I'm saying, like and and
and and look like you know, for the Lakers fans that are you know,
kuz supporters or whatever, they're gonna be mad that I said that.
Y'all know exactly what I'm talking about. Here's a different thing. Y'all know
exactly what I'm talking about. There is a difference between those types of players.
Look, I appreciate Lakers fans just the their commitment to thinking, some
of them thinking how good Kuzma is. We we had we said something about
Kyle kuz on one of the podcasts I think was fair, but it was
pretty low on him, and we got one starred, so we we never
had somebody one star reviews porn at once, which I kind of respect that
they're that passionate about Kyle Kuzma. Let's tell you the truth, man like
and we I'm saying the obvious, just like saying your water's wedding, your
fire's high. Lakers fans ride for theirs man like no other, like no
other. So let me clean this up a little bit and say, Kyle
Kuzma is a talented player, but Kyle Kuzma is the opposite type of play
as what a Robert Covington is two. Kyle who's m is a guy that
you know, I actually think, you know, from a personality standpoint,
he would go there and fit well. I think he would get along with
Kat. I think I would get along with D'Angelo, and I think it
would be good from that perspective. But you know, some of the grit
and grind and you know some of you know, some of the intangibles that
you that you would need from that position. You're not necessarily going to get
out of that you're out of that player. Yeah, they probably need.
I'd be I want to see them play Jared Vanderbilt next year. I don't
know if he is that guy, but I really like Jared Vanderbilt plays with
a lot of energy and really gets up and down the floor and supermobile on
defense. But they probably need like a like a Jeremy Grant. I don't
think they could afford him if he enters free agencies, since all as they
have is the MLI. But that's probably the type of player that they need
to target. I don't think you can go with another big I briefly entertained.
You know, if if Philly's just willing to give away Al Horford,
could he work with Towns maybe, But I think you need you need to
tilt more towards like the the combo big wing end of the end of the
spectrum, where it's like a Jeremy Grant again James Johnson, but not James
Johnson exactly. No, No, I fully agreed, And again like I'm
sitting there thinking like who who could they potentially get? But yeah, no,
someone along those lines. For sure, Mills would be great, He's
gonna be a freation, but they can't offer him more money than these other
teams. So I'm throwing out these names that just they'd be great, But
I'm probably just throwing out Nuggets, former Nuggets and current Nuggets, but well,
well, Millsap would be great. But to be honest with you,
they need a couple of that level over there of guys. You know what
I'm saying. I know, yeah, and I recognize it starts with one,
so I beggars can't be choosers and we can't be greedy before you even
before you even get to get to the party. But yeah, but I
agree, those are absolutely the types of guys that they should be that should
be. What if Sacramento was willing to just fulfiller give you Harrison Barnes,
do you consider that if you're Minnesota, Harrison Barnes is showing that he can
go, that he can be a contributor on a winning team, like and
I know that sounds disrespectful to just go break it down to that, but
at the very least, that's something that we can't necessarily say for a lot
of people that have played for Minnesota or currently on that so I would consider
it. It's not the sexy name, it's not the oh my goodness,
so yeah, we gotta Harrison Barnes. But Harrison Barnes is the quality player
that you would would instantly be you'll instantly be in the in their mix of
best players. Yeah, that's uh. I fours them. I might think
about it, and that that might be the ceiling on the type of name
maker require when looking at their assets. The final team who will not be
in the bubble it is not Phoenix shout out the Phoenix Suns fans, the
New York Knicks. I think the question for them is pre obvious and it's
a broken record. Do they maybe possibly perhaps finally, at long last,
have the stomach for a gradual rebuild? Is that? Would you agree with
that question? And what is your answer to that question? Man, I
don't. I really don't know. Again, not being funny. Look,
so the move to Brian Leon Rose and the CIA connections, you know that
that providing some hope for me. I'm not a Knicks fans, like,
just to be clear, but as as somebody that has to listen to Nicks.
Look, I don't think Knicks fans should be identifying he is a Knicks
fans at this point. This is true paperback and you'll y'all are paperbacks status.
But that's never gonna happen. Knicks fans, they ride for theirs too.
But as someone that has watched from Afar and seeing how terrible the organization
has been buying large for the better part of thirty, you know, thirty
plus years, I know they've had some runs. I was, I was,
I was at least optimistic when I saw that. So, you know,
if if he's able to pipeline some of the CIA talent in there,
whether it's you know, and I'm just gonna throw some out there, Booker
Embiid, Chris Paul, who's you know, who's always been rumored out there?
The name that I'm going to say that people are the people are gonna
be able to get upset. Yes, it is related to the stuff that's
going on right now, but it's not because of the stuff that's going on
right now. I think it's more of a you know, straw that broke
the camel's back. Watch for Donovan Mitchell to be in another market within the
next year and a half. Yeah, one look, Gobert Mitchell is getting
moved at some point. Yes, Yes, that seems like FATA company And
there are a lot of jazz fans that listen to this podcast. I don't
think it's I would personally Gobert is the more valuable player right now. I
think Mitchell is easier to just build around. Looking at how the league has
been shaped, I just don't see. And it's not just about the COVID
stuff. I think this might have been the jazz Is year and maybe maybe
they look at his maybe perhaps next year. But if they look, you
don't have boyon Bygdanovitch, and this year's playoffs, Mike Conley doesn't look right,
and so you're gonna have him on the payroll next season. Still if
they have a disastrous playoffs where I don't think the expectations have to be lowered
without a boy on Bygdanovitch in the lineup. So I get that. But
if you have another situation where Joe Angele's even struggles to hit some wide open
threes, Donovan Mitchell isn't great, and Mike Conley's just still not right,
something to me there is going to happen. Because now they've shelled out a
ton of money, Mitchell's coming up for his new deal, Gobert is gonna
be up for his new deal as well. That's a team I think you
hit it right on the money there there'll be a variety of different reasons for
it, but there's a chance that they've kind of played this out already.
Is as stupid as that sounds, Yeah, it's certainly going to be interesting.
The Mitchell stuff that I was the reason why I mentioned him specifically is
because again, look, these are also difficult conversations. But if you're Utah,
if you're Salt Lake and you don't get it, you know, you
don't get the type of talent, specifically the type of talent that Mitchell is,
uh, you might not want to run him out of town by by
piling on him at a time like this. That's all together, Like I'm
just seeing I'm just being honest. Like when I saw some of the comments
and some of the you know, some of the reactions, well, yes,
of course that's not representative. For the record, it's not representative of
all Utah fans. So I'm not I'm not telling your listeners that you're all
like this, are they? But you're all going to be lumped together when
you like if it, if it's when push comes to show, if if
it's okay, stay here or go here, and like, and you're weighing
out certain options that's not necessarily the greatest of approaches, that's all. I'll
say. Look, and people shouldn't have a problem being looped together because you're
if you could just recognize if you're not that jazz fan, we're not,
they're not talking about you, then you like it's it's that easy, Like
if they're talking about trash NBA Twitter accounts, like you know, you can
look at it say, look, they're not talking about me, They're talking
about Dan, So like you could just you could be able to separate that.
Like people loop everything together, And I don't think the reaction has to
be to get mad as if you're like misconveying this as all jazz fans suck.
I fully recognize I've interacted with a lot of jazz fans who do not
suck. They I will say, they are one of the most impassioned,
interesting fan bases when it comes to just basketball conversations. And that's just that's
not an insult. Just look at them, the Lakers, the Sun's social
media bases. They're very engaged and some of their takes or to me,
are just wild. But I've had great conversations with many. I've had not
so great conversations with others. It's I'm not like you're not being called out
specifically if you're not part of that problem. But that's a great point with
with Mitchell is it's it's you could look at it as, oh, he's
only going to be a restricted free agent, so the Jazz still have all
the power, but you don't want to put it in a situation where it's
this contentious relationship where he ends up staying almost out of spite because he doesn't
feel welcome and so, and look, by all means, it seems like
he's embraced that fan base and that city since arriving there. They did hearn
on him. It seemed like a little bit with the Rudy Gobert stuff,
and so I kind of felt where he was coming from, Like I understand
there was a point like Rudy Gobert. I don't want to rehash this stuff,
but he deserved criticism because he didn't take this seriously enough. It was
also only a matter of time before someone in the NBA tested positive for COVID,
and so he's not the reason the league shut down. I also don't
think he's some sort of martyr or hero beat because he caught it and forced
the league to shut down. Like, Dan, I just realized something.
You may not have seen what came out last night, but I'm actually referred
to isn't the isn't the beef with the Gobert stuff for the flact that he
took as a result or that Mitchell took a result of that. I'm talking
about Donovan Mitchell. Yesterday, you know, he on Instagram he posted something
something of the lines of your home like like, you know, we are
free ish right, So anytime you have anybody that questions the freedom or questions
anything, you know, the reaction that you get. Jazz fanst went after
that man with some nasty Oh yeah, yeah, it's serious, a serious
nasty news. And I'm the only reason why I mentioned it again. And
you know people might not want to hear it. This stuff matters, man,
Like this stuff matters at this time, these these things will be remembered.
And yeah, like to me, that to me again, not loving
you all together? And and I appreciate that point did you just made,
but you might want to get you might want to check on your home easy
if if they're the ones out there sending you'll sending these messages. Oh no,
yeah, I'm one hundred percent with you, and I saw that I
was bringing it back to the COVID as like another example of it seems like
now it's twice. No, no, it seems like now it's twice that
this happened in like a spend of a month where the response to Donovan Mitchell
has been shall we say less than warm and so, but I'm in I'm
an agreement with you in totality right there. Uh he look the Knicks big
name, they would love him. We went deep on the jazz on that
Knicks one. I'm wondering where you would stand if they ended up acquiring a
Chris Paul because I'm normally against a team in their situation getting this aging star,
and it would be objectively hysterical if they ended up training for him a
decade after they were supposed to get him that whole Big three with Stat and
mellow I Moost. I don't know if I just have fatigue from being in
New York and watching really bad basketball teams, but I'm like, maybe that's
not the worst idea in the world. He perhapsly blinded because he was so
good this year. I think if you went out and got a Kevin Love
or Blake Griffin. That's a little bit more reckless than going out and getting
a CP three. Maybe he's not as happy as an actual mentor because the
Knicks wouldn't be as good as the thunder. And then also, what does
acquiring him say about how you're thinking as a team. Are you all of
a sudden in all, right, well, now we got to see who
we can get for for RJ. Barrett, like, can we get another
bigger name in here? And then you go out and trade for Kevin Love.
Anyway, I'm just curious where you stand on something like that. I
think you do. I think you absolutely make that move. If you talk
to Chris Paul, another CIA guy once again, and he says, yeah,
I'm interested in I'm interested in at least being a part of that rebuild
as opposed to this one being, you know, being in New York City
as opposed to you know, Oklahoma City. Yeah, I think I don't
think it would be Look, we would we as NBA, Twitter would frame
it as hey, look the Knicks, Knicks go Nick. They went out
and got But it's not the same thing as just getting like Kevin Love or
you'll Blake even though I spoke You'll very highly of him earlier and I do
think he's still an impact. Well, it's not the same because we do
have this history. We do have de recent history, literally just months ago,
of Chris Paul not just playing still at an effective level, but really
galvanizing a group that, to be honest with you, unless you're an OK
see die Hard, you probably went into this year thinking that they were going
to be absolutely in rebuild boat and they weren't. No, they were a
team that I became emotionally attached to because they overachieved. The overachievement was not
blowing it up at the trade line. And look, it's different for Chris
Paul. I mean you could say the same maybe for Kevin Love and Blake
driven, but like, this isn't if you don't overpay for him. Where
if you're just giving up expirings or he's coming into your caps pace depending on
how they operate this offseason. I think that's the way to defend the move
I do. The last thing I want to ask you on them, though,
is gut feeling. And I've actually been impressed by the names that have
been cropping up in their head coaches search, it seems like they're finally thinking
outside the box looking at assistance as opposed to just going after the bigger names
that are that are out there. They always seem to be the organization two
steps behind and at least seems like they're in lockstep with where they should be
looking at the coaching market. But do you think this team if you just
had to guess, are they going to go through a rebuild or is there
going to be are they going to try and complete some sort of more instantaneous
solution. They're they're going for the instantaneous like and it's like, especially at
the coaching spot that like, look, I would respect the hell out of
them if they took one of the like the really good assistants out there or
somebody that even one of these guys, Honestly, I well, you know
what, I'm not going to jump out that window. They're going to end
up with Tom Tibodeau or somebody is someone along those lines as they're head coaching
and and I and look, I'm not an anti Ton Tibodeau guy. I
also don't think that he was you know, the Tom Tiboau the coach was
the problem in Minnesota. I think Tom Tiboeau having the power, uh you'll
to to facilitate all of the roster moves was was was more of the problem
because I just don't think that that should be a combined role for anybody at
this stage. But in saying that, I'm not just totally you just denouncing
Tom Thibodeau. But that's really what it's going to be, because I don't
I don't see them, you know, having the type of imagination to to
really well, no, I don't. I don't see them having to having
the stones to really take that to you know, take that lead in that
market. I'm again in lockstep with you. I think it's gonna end up
being Thibodeau. And I'm not as low on him as everybody else. If
he can I was worried about his offenses seem just sort of a little bland.
But if he can get to a point where he's maybe Minnesota was a
wake up call for him and his defense will change so that you're not allowing
as many of these open three point looks. I don't think that he's a
bad coach, it's right now he hasn't shown a willingness to adapt, but
you know, what happened in Minnesota has that changed him? He wouldn't be
my pick, but perhaps ends up working better than expected. I'm I'm with
you, though, This would the real surprise would be. And I don't
know how they would signal this, like is it, oh, they didn't
trade for Chris Paul or they didn't spend their cap space this summer. I
don't know how they signaled that they would be leaning into a full on rebuild,
But that would be the real surprise to me is that if there isn't
some measure of no, you know what, maybe well, we're we're accepting
we're gonna be bad next season, but the plan is to be really good
by twenty and twenty one, and we're gonna sign one of these big name
free agents. It does feel like they're eventually gonna lean more towards that direction,
if they're not outright doing it behind the scenes already. I think I
think the biggest, the greatest signal might be if they go for the you
know, if they go for the talent or the player before they set install
which direction the organizations is going to go in from a from you know,
from a mindset standpoint from you know, from a with the coach, I
think that we don't we have our answer? Oh yeah, because right because
they should. They should. They should absolutely have a coach in place before
they decide what talent did they're going to be bringing in, right, And
so if they went with a Kenny Atkinson, or let's say, if they
go with a Will Hardy or like an email Udoka, like that would be
like, oh, the Knicks are actually gonna rebuild. But if they hire
Thibodeau, it's just like, oh, they're they're gonna try and win right
away. That's actually I don't know why I didn't think of it in those
terms. But if it's Tips that gets the job, I don't think there's
any doubt that the Knicks are thinking more immediate than than gradual, and I
think they are. I think they all Will Jabari I kept you way longer
than I said I was going to keep you, So I appreciate you staying
on and talking to us about the bubble, talking to me about about some
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jab A Rii Davis MBA. Thank you so much again for coming on,
and I'm sure I'll be pestering you again in the near future, not even
a pester man. I appreciate it. I was look, I was honored
when you asked. I'm even happier than I joined, So please reach out
well. Thank you so much. I'll talk to you soon.