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Out to the KWA Common spirit Al
Hotline and bring on voice in the Rockies,

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Jack Corgan, Jack, how are
you doing this evening? I am

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good, Benjamin Ho or you guys
doing doing real well. I always love

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hearing your voice, man, And
you know, baseball right around the corner.

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In fact, we had that that
shell acking today. I guess that

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kind of opened up all the spring
training stuff. Nick and I were talking

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a little bit about the Rockies last
night and one of the things that it

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kind of be funneled us and maybe
it's just our amateur eyes at it,

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but you know, with some baseball
teams, you can clearly see the plan.

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You understand the plan. You could
see the plan, you know what

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it is you go from there,
and with the Rockies, we're just not

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able to put our finger on exactly
what that is and what that has been

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over the last couple of seasons.
Would you agree with that sentiment or do

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you do you see the plan here
and see kind of what it is that

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they're trying to do. Well,
that's a great question, and I'm sure

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you guys that some wonderful conversation about
it and some insight from all all the

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fans who listened to the show,
I would say it is from an internal

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perspective, starting to come a lot
more into focus. I think one of

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the things in baseball, especially when
you're a draft and develop team like the

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Rockies have to be, is,
you know, quite honestly, at least

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from a pitching perspective, it's rare
that you're going to get a veteran pitcher

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that's going to come and face the
challenges of pitching half as games at altitudes,

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so you can appreciate that. But
I think from what you can see

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underneath from the position players who are
a little bit ahead of the pitchers at

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this point, in part due to
some unfortunate injuries last year with some of

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the young pitching prospects. But just
like any sports organization guys at the professional

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level, you know, it's all
about trying to build depth, and I

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think the Rocks are finally onto a
plan of what type of pictures to bring

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in or to develop and what type
of players they want to have. And

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to be honest that we can talk
about a little bit. I think the

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new rules in baseball over the last
year and now into its second season are

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creating a look for a different type
of player, or maybe going back to

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the more athletic player that was there, you know, thirty thirty plus years

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ago before everybody became a masher or
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Well, Jack, there are two
players that I am really intrigued by,

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you know right now. It is
left handed pitcher Joe Rock and Carlston Pomquist.

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And both of those guys played in
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an interesting way that he wants to
work them in and as getting them wars

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starting pitching. You know in the
Cactus League. What are you expecting from

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either two of these pitchers? And
do you think at some point that the

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Rockets would get to a point where
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Yeah, you know it's Nick,
It's they are going to be interesting guys

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to watch. I think right now
palmp Quist is a little bit further along

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than Joe Rock because he's an interesting
guy. You always want to get left

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handers when you can get hit them. He throws from I don't want to

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say a unique arm slot, but
it's not strictly side arm. It's not

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really three quarters. It's kind of
in between, you know, they call

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it low three quarters. But usually
guys who throw like that work down in

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the zone, which isn't always the
worst thing at coursefield to get ground balls.

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But pump Quist when he was at
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was at the U, he had
the ability not only to be able to

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work in the lower part of the
strike zone, but command a fastball in

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the upper part of the strike zone
and out of that arm angle. It

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presents a real challenge, certainly when
it's left on left him being a left

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hander. You know, those are
the guys you know, and Joe Rocky.

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You know, I'm curious to see
them. I watched them throw some

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bullpens earlier this past week, and
you know, you can see there's talent

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there. They've been challenged, the
Rockies because three guys last year, most

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especially Gabriel Hughes Out a Gonzaga who
was their number one pick two years ago.

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They would be guys who are probably
fighting for one of the spots that

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now were I don't want to say
rushing, but you're looking at guys like

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tom Quist and rock and a few
others maybe being forced along a little faster,

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because, to be honest, I
would have thought Hughes would be a

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guy we'd be talking about for the
rotation this year, but he had Tommy

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john surgery midway through last year,
and I mean we probably won't see him

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until the twenty five season at the
earliest. You know, there's an interesting

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battle I think for the closer that's
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Justin Lawrence who stepped in after Pierce
Johnson last year. You got Tyler Kinley

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who stepped in for him after he
had kind of a skid late. Daniel

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Bard could work back into the rotation, you know a little bit later.

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In terms of what direction that could
go. What do you think you show

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these guys last year? I thought
Lawrence looked good initially and then you know,

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kind of hit that skin. I
guess in August, I thought Kelly

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showed some promise. What do you
what do you think about those two and

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then possibly barred, you know when
he comes back. Yeah, I think

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you know, Daniel's going to be
back earlier than later from what the initial

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fears were. I mean, when
they went in to worry about his knee,

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the meniscus was fine. It was
just kind of clearing up some loose

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particles. So I mean, I
would think Daniel should be back at the

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big league level without any setbacks by
the end of April, maybe into May.

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That's just my amateur medical opinion,
but talking to him and other people

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doesn't sound like it's going to be
a you know, a real long stretch

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before he's able to pitch. I'm
intrigued by the battle. I mean,

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Lawrence wants to be a closer.
He talks about it all the time.

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You know, he was born in
Panama, so he's always wanted to be

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like the great Panamanian Mariano Rivera,
one of the greatest closers in baseball history,

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if not the greatest. And so
you always love guys, Nick,

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You know that as teammates and people
you competed against. You love guys who

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want the job. And that's certainly, you know, a benefit to Lawrence.

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And the meek sweeper that he throws
and his arm angle, those are

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all things that can help him.
I think when teams got a little more

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comfortable with him, or at least
more familiar with him is probably the better

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word. And he had a couple
of tough outings. I think he tinkered

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too much instead of just staying with
who he is. And as for Tyler

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Kinley, man, if I had
him on a football team, if I

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had him military uniform next to me, I'd be the happiest guy. There

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is nobody tougher on this team,
you know, mentally and physically than Tyler

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Kinley. So you know, I
think I think Bud might mix and match

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a little bit depending on what he
thinks is going to provide a better matchup

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for him. But I think those
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are going to share the job.
You know, we'll see, you know,

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if that changes in terms of how
Bud wants to play it. And

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then when Daniel comes along, it'd
be great to have, you know,

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your seven, eight and nine innings
with three guys who have closing experience,

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and Lucas Gilbert's going to be part
of that mix. To the kid from

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Legacy High schools looked good coming back
from his Tommy john So what's that being

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said? And you mentioned it,
Tommy Johns, and we saw you know,

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Cis Taylor, her mama, Kaz
Feldner, all those guys sustain injuries,

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and I know you can't put players
in bubble wrap. Well, is

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there anything that the Rockies and bub
Black could do to ensure that maybe midway

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through the season they are more healthy
in twenty twenty four than he were last

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year. Yeah, you know,
that's a great point, Nick. I

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think it's the point that all pro
sports talk about in baseball, in particular

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with pitchers, because you know,
the reality of pitching at this level,

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the highest level, Your arm has
only so many throws in it from you

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know, the effort and the angles
that a pitcher has to throw, and

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it's usually not a question of if
a pitcher gets hurt in his career,

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it's win. And that really is
the case. It was interesting last year

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the Rockies, said Gilberth, Senstela, and Marcus all have Tommy Johnson at

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the major league level. Hughes and
two other of our better prospects at the

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minor league level also have Tommy Johnson. Say, oh my god, six

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guys at DJ for the Rockies.
Do you know the doctor Meisner. I

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think his name is. I might
be messing that up, but he's in

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the Dallas Fort Worth area now.
He's kind of the Tommy john guru guy

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where everybody sends their pictures too,
and he did. All six of the

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Rockies guys he's been keeping track of
Tommy john surgery since the two thousand and

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six Steam season, and I think
in that stretch it's you know, it's

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like eight years or whatever, and
the Rockies have had twenty some Tommy Johns

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and they had the fewest of any
team in baseball over that stretch, So

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I mean, it happens. I
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Nick a little more this year,
and evidenced by guys like pump Quist and

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Rock and some of the others certainly
here early on, is that they're bringing

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guys along more slowly. The Diamondbacks
talked about the race, you know,

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Zach Gallon and Merrill Kelly. They're
gonna probably not have them pitch in a

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spring training game until maybe the last
week or two because they're hopeful of going

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deep into the playoffs again and they
don't want to overwork them and perhaps increase

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the possibility of injury. But bottom
line is, guys are bigger, they're

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stronger, they grow harder, they
try and spin the ball more, and

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the body only has so much.
It's like in football, how many you

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know, when I was the old
guy like me, nobody ever had a

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tectoral muscle tear or a fight that
care to wipe the guy out for the

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year, right, and now every
team has a couple of them because guys

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are just bigger, stronger. They're
asking their bodies to do things that some

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ligaments and tendons just can't handle.
That's just human nature. You know,

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Jack, I want to ask you
about when you turned your leather helmet in

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and swap that out for baseball,
But no, I hit that single bar

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helmet back when it was the everybody
helmet. I love it. We were

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talking about different different camp battles out
here for the Rockies. One of the

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other things I think he's interesting what
are they going to do in right field?

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I mean, obviously we're having a
lot of changes here. Chris Bryant

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moving the first, Charlie Blackman probably
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H and you got Nolan, Jones
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outfield spots. You've got the sham
Brochard I think probably has the upper hand.

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Quil Fernandez, you know, what
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on right field? Because uh and
and Brochard, it feels like would be

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to me, would be the guy
just because you know, he gets on

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base, you know, quite a
bit, and the Rockies had such a

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such a problem with that, you
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last yearly five teams had a lower
mark than that, and the Rocks play

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half that game obviously here and of
course field what do you think about the

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right field slot there? Yeah,
I think, you know, Benjamin,

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that's really I think that the question
or the battle of the spring, because

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it really is wide open. Yeah, Charlie wants to play out there a

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little, but he didn't want to
d H all those games. He just

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feels like he's more involved in the
game when he's playing defense as well.

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I don't know how often he'll play
defensively at home, but you know,

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in places at C level and pretty
conventional in terms of the size of their

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outfield, you might see Charlie out
there once in a while. I don't

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think they want to send Chris out
there too much. Just trying to see

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if they can keep Brian healthy for
the first time in his contract as it

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enters year three, trying to give
him every help in that regard. But

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you know what, if Lauris Montero
just is killing the ball in spring training.

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You don't want to have him not
be in the lineup. Then those

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are the issues. But all that
being said, you're exactly right. The

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guy who has I think as well, the best chance of being that right

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fielder is Bouchard because of his ability
to draw walks, good sense of the

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strike zone, you know, help, and good contact. I think you'd

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hope he'll have a little bit more
power because you expect in a corner outfield

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spot, you know, you'd like
to have, especially half the games in

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Denver, you kind of hold your
right fielder's going to have, you know,

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twenty homers at you know, fifteen
at the very least, and of

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course was shown we've not seen him
for a whole year. But is on

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base percentage on a team that needs
more bodies on base, that's a real

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plus. In Bouchard's case, totally
kind of has some issues, especially from

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the right side as a switch hitter. He has to clean that up to

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have a shot. Fernandez is going
to be a has chance to be a

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star. A young Cuban kid,
big kid, you know, twenty one

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years old, doesn't turn twenty two
until I think New Year's Eve or something.

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But he's pretty green. I think
he's going to be a double A

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at least start the year. But
he'll be fun to watch here in spring

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training. Is he's pretty impressive in
the batting cage. So what happens with

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Chris Bryant? And I know he's
battled through some injuries, but let's just

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say he is finally healthy. Expectations
for Chris Bryant the season, you know,

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I think Nick, if he's healthy, I'm not going to say he's

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going to get back to you know, his MDP year, it would be

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great, but I would fully anticipate
that he rises to you know, kind

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of the expected numbers. I think
he's a two eighty to three hundred hitter

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when he's healthy, with an on
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four. He's got a terrific eye
at the plate. I think you could

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expect him to hit you know,
twenty twenty five homers and hit, you

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know, knock in eighty to one
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that's what you could anticipate. It's
not going to be at an MVP level,

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but when you have not had much
from him at all because of the

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injuries for two years, I mean, that'd be a real big boost because

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it's when he's healthy. It's like
Todd Hill towards the end of his career

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was not the Todd Helton who was
you know, as feared hitter as anybody

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in the National League, but the
other side still feared him in clutch situations

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and other things. You know,
it's like, Okay, when's Helton coming

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up? Do we need to pitch
around of that kind of thing? And

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I think a healthy Chris Bryant starts
to give you that presence again and takes

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pressure off the Nolan jones Is and
the Ryan McMahon's of the world and that

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kind of thing. That's certainly the
hope. I tell you, just as

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a quick aside talking to Hansley Muelein's
are the Rockies hitting coach and a guy

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that Jerry and I really love talking
to who regarding hitting. He thinks Ezekiel

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Tovar is going to have a big
year offensively, So I'd be excited because

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the kid he knows how to pick
it at short you're Gold Glove finalist as

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a rookie. That's pretty aren't good
And if he can get like Hensley thinks

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he does this is gonna be Obviously, they got to stay healthy and they're

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in the toughest division along with the
American League East in baseball, and so

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that's going to be a challenge.
But this is a better team if they're

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healthy, They're going to be a
much more competitive team than they were a

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year ago. They're gonna be a
fun team to watch. Looking forward to

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it. Jack, got about thirty
seconds left, real quick, Any chance

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we see Sterling Thompson or Chase Dollander. I know they wanted to work on

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getting his slider back since he tried
to convert to the sweeper and it failed.

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Any chance we see the one of
them to this year, and we

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got about thirty seconds left. Yeah, I think you're gonna you know,

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you're gonna see Dolander get little taste
of what he can be, and he'll

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be a guy that they'll push to
go through quickly through the system. I

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think Jordan Beck and Sterling Thompson are
both good young hitters that have a chance

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not only here in spring training,
but maybe the knock on the door by

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season's end be fun to see.
Absolutely, Jack, we always appreciate the

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times at Corgan's gonna be on the
call. I believe it's tomorrow, correct,

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right, you're on k Wait.
First game, Yeah, playing the

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National League champ Diamondbacks one o'clock tomorrow. Looking forward to it. Time to

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get back in the saddle, guys, Absolutely well. I'll have the ill

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tuned in, looking forward to hearing
your call tomorrow one exclusively right here on

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