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This was in the West Point area
of Virginia. His friend had this like

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party house where they would drink beer
and you know, they would you know,

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play instruments. One night, he
went out to go to the bathroom

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just outside around you know, the
back of this barn, and he said

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he saw this large white form and
then a smaller white form right next to

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it. He was like kind of
dumbfounded. He couldn't really make it out

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what it was. But then when
he went back in to talk to his

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buddy, his friend was like,
Oh, well, that's that's princess.

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And evidently this guy and his family
have been seeing this albino sasquatch on their

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property in this swamp area for generations. My mind was just like blown at

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this. I've tried several times to
get this guy to kind of like talk

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to me about it, and I
don't. I don't. I don't think

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they're gonna I don't think they're going
to open up about it. I'd like

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to welcome a very special guest to
Bigfoot Crossroads, world renowned cryptid artist Jonathan

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Dodd. Johnny Dodd, Welcome finally
to Bigfoot Crossroads. Man, what's up,

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dude? Thanks for having me.
I appreciate it. This is this

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is awesome, this long overdue.
Oh for sure. For sure. If

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you have listened to the podcast previously, you have seen Jonathan Dodd's artwork.

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Jonathan is responsible for the big Foot
Crossroads. I would I can't even call

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it a logo because it's so much
more than that. It's a badass graphic

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is what it is. Uh Man, How I mean I kind of know,

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you know obviously our talks and everything
about the original concept and everything,

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but like, how'd you end up
going the direction you did with the logo?

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Well, actually, I think it
probably came a lot from the music

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that you sent me, because when
you initially hit me up, you're like,

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I have this idea, you know, to branch out with, you

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know, Bigfoot Crossroads, and I
have you know, a song in mind.

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I think when your buddies produced it
and you sent it to me,

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And as soon as soon as I
heard it, I was like, you

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know, transported to my grandmother's house
in like the early nineties, watching Unsolved

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Mysteries or you know, something like
like one of those types of shows where

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you're just like and I was like, okay, yep, I know exactly

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what I need to do, So
that was it was an inspired moment.

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And yeah, that's that's kind of
how I came up with it. I

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mean, you nailed it, Needles, you nailed it. I think it's

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a you know, I may be
a little partial, but I think it's

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one of the definitely better, if
not the best Bigfoot podcast logo out there.

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Too kind, too kind. Hey, I've had other podcasters tell me

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that, so really, yeah,
I thought that was pretty awesome. Yeah.

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I won't say their names, but
yeah, let's yeah, let's call

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them all out right now, yeah, one by one. So originally I

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found you because I run a Facebook
page for the podcast where I post all

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kinds of memes and artwork and articles
and just anything Bigfoot related I can find.

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Really, and I don't know exactly
where it was. I originally ran

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across your artwork, but you were
doing uh like bigfoot art digital painting basically,

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and I started posting your stuff a
little while before I reached out to

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you. Uh what got you started
doing Bigfoot art? Bigfoot has just always

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kind of been something in my life
that I, like, you know,

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have kind of latched onto. I
don't I'm not even one hundred percent sure

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why, But it's just something that's
always fascinated me. And when the pandemic

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hit and you know, we were
all walked inside and everything, I picked

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up an iPad one day, just
on a whim, I think it was.

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It was my mother's iPad. She
just let me use it, she

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handed it, she handed it over
to me, and I just started,

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you know, drawing on Procreate and
for some reason, I would start out

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these you know, painted land escapes
and then by the end of it be

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thinking about, you know, where
could I hide a big foot in this?

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You know, where could I put
a big foot and make it,

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you know, make it like a
story almost. Yeah, So yeah,

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I mean that that's kind of how
it started out. And then from there

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I kind of got more into you
know, researching cryptids and stuff like that,

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and you know, just started branching
out and doing different you know,

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monster monster art. Yeah, you
know, that was one of the things

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that caught my attention early. Was
usually when it were somebody you know,

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does an illustration of a bigfoot.
It's just kind of a classic like witness

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style sketch or whatever, or their
version of Patty or their version version of

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Harry from Harry and the Hendersons.
But you were doing actual scenes where the

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bigfoot was the main subject. But
it was almost like you were doing,

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like you said, stories like witness
stories, you know, situations and stuff,

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and you had like such cool concepts. I did try. I I

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did kind of go through a phase
of listening to bigfoot stories you just on

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podcasts, you know, I would
listen to you. I listened to like

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Sasquatch Chronicles I think was one of
them, and you know a couple other

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Vic Kundiff's Station as well. I
would. I would listen to all of

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them. And I think, you
know, just that repetition of you know,

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hearing you know what happens during a
big foot encounter kind of or what

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can happen in a big foot encounter
like really like spurred my imagination onto like

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try to incorporate that into one scene. You definitely hit the mark with me

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from some of the stories that I
had heard, especially like I remember one

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one image specifically is like flashing in
my brain right now where you had done

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like some bigfoot up on the roof
of like a cabin or a house or

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something. Yeah, And like I
mean that's something like early on in my

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big footing, like that's something that
I heard people talking about, like hearing

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something walking around on the roof,
and I always thought how terrifying that would

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be and stuff, and how crazy
it used to think that these giants would

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like climb up on somebody's roof,
you know, and kind of spy on

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him and mess around. And so
whenever I saw your artwork depicting that,

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I thought that was crazy. I'd
never seen anybody do that before. Yeah,

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I tried to find like little you
know, weird you know, little

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scenes, you know, from stories
that I've heard and stuff like that,

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and try to incorporate it into my
art. Now, did you grow up

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hearing like local folklore and stuff where
you're at? So I grew up in

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Fredericksburg, Virginia, just a little
bit east of Fredericksburg, Virginia, and

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there's you know, tons of you
know, Civil War and Revolutionary War history

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in that area. So it was
mostly like ghost stuff. If you know,

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like if we were you know,
talking about spooky stuff, you know,

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it would it would always be like
a Civil War ghost or you know,

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like the the ghost of George Washington, you know, you know,

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something like that that would be,
you know, like from that area.

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There's even a there's even a story
from Fredericksburg about there's a ghost that haunts

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the Chatham Manor. In Chatham Manors
sort of like this huge estate that is

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on top of a hill in Fredericksburg. It was abandoned in the Civil War

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and they actually used it as like
a headquarters for a little while. But

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as the story goes back in the
Revolutionary days, George Washington's friend owned that

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place, and there was this lady
who tried to sneak out to meet with

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her lover down by the rap Hannock
River, and George Washington caught her and

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told her she shouldn't be doing that, and evidently like apprehended the lover down

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by the river. And it's said
that she comes back every seven years to

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look for her lover, oh and
walks that same path down to the Rappahannock

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River from Chatham Manor. So that
was kind of like a spooky story that

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we always kind of grew up with
around Fredericksburg. Yeah, and I mean

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that's that's probably that's one off the
top of my head that I can think

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of. But yeah, there's there's
lots of like weird folklore that that kind

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of happens, you know, around
those like historic areas. I mean,

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you're from an area that's like really
old for this country, you know,

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so this country. Yeah, definitely, did you have stories like did you

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hear any stories about bigfoot and stuff? Like? Did you have cryptids out

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there? Not really cryptids? And
I honestly not even that much bigfoot stuff

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goes on in Virginia. Well,
I mean, I guess there's big foot

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stuff that goes on in more like
the western side of Virginia, But I

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never really grew up with that kind
of lore. Ye, that kind of

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came afterwards. You know. I
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I would go to like the library
or whatever, and you know I would

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find, you know, the the
weirdo books, you know, that corner

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of the library where they always had
you know, like the corner exactly.

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Dude, we would have been in
the same corner talking about lockness monster books.

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Yea. But yeah, so that's
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and you know, monsters came about. Was, you know, going to

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the local library and just camping out
in the weirdo section. I mean,

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I know you already kind of said
you didn't really know, but I'm going

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to push this anyway. What do
you think it is about big Foot that

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like captured your interest and just like
held on for so long. I think

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just the mystery of it, Like
I mean, you think about you know,

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like what you know some people say, you know, it's a it's

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an ape of some sort. If
it's an ape, why don't we have

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one in a zoo? You know? Like I mean, there's there's just

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like a we have every other type
of you know, monkey and ape in

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a zoo, So why wouldn't you
know this be there? Like there's that

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whole mystery around it that has just
kind of like grabbed my imagination for a

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really long time, you know.
And plus it's really fun to draw.

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But there's a lot of artists,
you know, obviously I follow a lot

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of artists, A big fan of
art work. That sounds weird to say,

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but I don't know, howlse to
put it same same, but you

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know there's artists that will draw Bigfoot
from time to time, you know,

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just because artists have huge imaginations and
that's something cool to draw. Like you're

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saying, but I mean you've like
really kind of become part of like the

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online crypti community and the bigfoot world
and stuff. You've kind of taken it

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a step further. Have you like
gone on any actual investigations or outings with

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it? Yeah, I actually have. I was I went out with Alexander

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Pettakov and Eli Watson once. We
were I mean, I worked for Small

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Town Monsters every now and then doing
you know, documentary illustrations, so that's

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how I know those guys, and
you know, we meet up at festivals

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and stuff like that. And I
heard that they were going to West Virginia

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to do an investigation for Beyond the
Trail and I head up alex and I

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was like, Hey, would you
mind if I came out? And he

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was like, oh, dude,
come out. So yeah, I mean

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we we met up in West Virginia
and I camped out with him for a

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couple of nights, and we went
out a couple of night investigations. You

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know, nothing, nothing crazy happened
or anything like that, but it was

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it was definitely kind of like a
moment where you know, like I felt

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like I got my feet wet a
little bit. Yeah, well that actually

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that's a pun because we were soaking
wet literally the entire time. It was

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raining and it was crazy. It
was why. Yeah, I mean we

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I had I had galoshes, you
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yeah, we were wet the entire
time. But yeah, it was a

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it was a good time. I
may have heard some knocks. I don't

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know, not one hundred percent sure
on that, but that was fun.

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Actually, here's a funny story.
We were on this road paralleling this river

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and we were you know, we
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We had thermals and that's the only
thing we could see with really,

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and we heard this huge crash like
right next to us, and me Alex

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and Eli both just jump out of
our boots literally and shine the lights up

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there, and there's this deer just
standing there looking at us, and we

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like freaked out for a second.
It was kind of funny. We all

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kind of laughed about that. But
yeah, so, I mean it was

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I'm sure I'm sure you have stories
like that too, where it's just like

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your hearts, your heart's beating out
of your chest and then you just realize

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it's like a small animal just like
chilling her looking at you. Oh,

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dude, armadillos. I have cost
so many armadillos in my life, especially

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in the fall time whenever there's a
lot of leaf litter, because an armadillo

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will, like they primarily eat like
grubs and bugs and stuff like that,

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so they'll like shove their head underneath
the leaf litter and they'll just plow forward

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a little bit and stop, and
then they'll forward again and stop. So

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it sounds like footsteps coming towards you. And they're blind, they're practically blind.

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They can't see hardly at all,
and they'll walk right up to you,

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you know, in the pitch black
dark, and you're like, oh

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my god, here it comes,
here, it comes, here, it

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comes. And we had this one
guy he was actually, I think he

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was taking a piss behind the tent
and an armadillo came up, and you

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know, it was funny at first
because he was kind of freaked out,

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you know, it sounded scary coming
towards him, and then he finally saw

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that it was just an armadillo or
whatever, and he's kind of like,

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you know, cussing it and stuff, and he kicked at it. He

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just like kicked some leaves towards it. And it was pretty close to him.

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It was just like a couple of
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about armadillos in this part of the
country, you see a lot of armadillo's

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dead on the road, and the
reason for that is because whenever they get

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scared, they jump straight up in
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the highway, they'll actually just like
jump straight up and like hit the undercarriage

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of the car or the bumper and
killed themselves. It's crazy. Oh my

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god. So this armadilla, whenever
he kicked those leaves, it jumped straight

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up in the air, but somehow
did like a one eighty to where it

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was like facing right towards him,
and whenever it hit the ground, it

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just hit the ground running and almost
like like ran into him and like started

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to climb up his boot and everything, and he started streaming like a little

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kid. He literally streamed out for
his mom and like stumbled around and took

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off running almost fell down. We
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Oh my god, do they like
bite or anything like? Is there

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any like no danger with an armadillo? I have no experience with no.

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I think they carry leprosy. Actually
which is kind Oh yeah, okay,

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I think I've heard that too,
But I mean I've had one come up

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and like sniff my foot before,
whenever I was a kid, and I

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can tell you from a child's perspective, the scariest thing about them is they

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have these huge long claws for digging
in the ground. You know, they

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like burrowed it in the ground.
But I mean they look like they could

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just like slash you up, you
know, just tear you up if they

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wanted to. I mean, they
never would, but that's the big scary

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part. But now they don't bite
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they'd claw you. I'm gonna keep
on telling myself that they wouldn't, just

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to keep it safe. I mean, can you imagine being the first person

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to see an armadillo and just trying
to explain it to your friend and then

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they're just like, no, that
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about that all the time. Actually, I think about like pretty much every

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animal you can think of was encryptid
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yeah, definitely, And like all
the different explorers and stuff all over

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the world, you know, hitting
like imagine like the first people that came

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to North America, and they're just
like going across North America discovering like new

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animals and like seeing things for the
first time. That'd be so weird.

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It'd be weird but also really exciting
and awesome. Yeah, yeah, for

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sure. So are there any witness
stories that kind of stand out to you

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that you know you have, like
a tier list or anything going on Bigfoot

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related? Sure? Anything anything weird? Man, We can start with Bigfoot,

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we can go into other things.
I mean, have you talked to

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any witnesses or her witness stories of
other cryptids besides Bigfoot? Actually, I

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don't think besides Bigfoot? I don't
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when I go to these like crypti
events, like to sell my artwork,

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I mean, it's basically an open
invitation for people to come up and just

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you know, unload their weird stories
on you. Right. And this is

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not me complaining because I absolutely love
it. And even this last cryptid event

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I did Cryptid Bash in West Virginia, I had a lady come up to

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me and tell me a really strange
story where she was driving and she was

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driving through I think it might have
been the Allegheny National forest somewhere somewhere in

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pa I think. And she was
on this you know road at like midnight,

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maybe even later than midnight, and
she came around this curve and saw

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a squirrel walking across the road,
and then after the squirrel there was a

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possum, and then after the possum
there was a raccoon, and then after

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the raccoon there were two sasquatch children
she called them children whoa And they were

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like walking, you know, on
all fours, but very fast, like

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across across the path or across the
road. And then after the sasquatch there

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was a deer. So she was
like it was the weirdest thing she had

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ever seen because it was you know, it was just like one after the

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other in you know size order.
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that was like a really strange story
that I heard that just kind of came

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to my mind right now. But
yeah, so these these events, like,

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I mean, people come up to
me and they just tell me all

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kinds of things. That sounds like
that Stephen King movie Dream Catcher. What

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was that the name of it.
Oh, yeah, I haven't seen that

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in a long time. Like all
the different animals are like running. Yeah,

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like that's crazy, but yeah,
it was. It was pretty wild.

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That's a that's a wild one.
I'm trying to think. Oh.

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And then another one at that same
event, This one lady came up to

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my brother actually because he was doing
he was like handling money and stuff for

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me as I was kind of like
schmooth and then talking to people, and

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she came up to him and was
like pointing at one of my paintings and

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she was like, the one I
saw looked exactly like that one. And

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so she told him the story first, and then when I came back to

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the table, he pulled me aside
and was like, hey, talk to

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this lady for a little bit.
And so I, you know, talked

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to her for a little bit,
and she was telling me a story about

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this sasquatch that looked exactly like the
one in my painting, where she was

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walking her dog down a very heavily
you know, traffic path. This was

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I think this took place in West
Virginia, and a bigfoot was walking up

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the path the opposite way, like
towards her, and she said she kind

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of stopped and watched it walk up
and then stopped to kind of like make

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sure her dog was still kind of
like at her side, and then looked

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up and it was gone. So
and something about the painting that kind of

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like caught her eye, she said, was the snow like it was a

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snowy scene. And she was like, we were we were walking, you

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know, doing like a winter hike
on this this path, and that was

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that kind of like jogged her memory. So I thought that was really cool.

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As well. Have you done like
witness sketches for people yet nothing like

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close up. I did do one
for a friend of mine actually, who

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says he had an experience in back
in high school. This was in the

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West Point area of Virginia. And
this this area, I'm not sure if

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you're familiar with it at all,
but it's like right on, you know,

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it's it's out in almost the Chesapeake
Bay almost, I think it's off

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like the north the York River,
and there's also the Pamunkey River. But

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he just goes up the east coast
of Virginia and he said that he was

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at a friend's house and they were
at you know, they were in a

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band and they were partying and stuff, and his friend had this like party

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house where they would you know,
drink beer, and you know, they

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would you know, play instruments,
and they were, you know, they

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would just party out there. And
one night he went out to go to

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the bathroom just outside around the back
of this barn, and he said he

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saw this large white form, a
large white form, and then a smaller

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white form right next to it,
and he was like, you know,

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kind of dumbfounded. He couldn't really
make it out what it was. But

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then when he went back in to
talk to his buddy, his friend was

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like, Oh, well, that's
that's princess, Princess princess. Yeah,

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And so he he had to he
had to get the guy to elaborate.

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And evidently this guy and his family
have been seeing this albino sasquatch on their

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property in this swamp area for generations. And I was like, my mind

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was just like blown at this.
And I've tried several times to get this

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guy to kind of like talk to
me about it, yeah, and I

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don't, I don't. I don't
think they're gonna I don't think they're gonna

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open up about it. But that's
one of those stories that just kind of

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like has stuck with me and I've
actually done some artwork around it, and

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getting back to your question, he
asked me to recreate that scene basically,

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so he sent me a couple of
pictures he sent me, and then he

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sent me like a detailed description of
like what the property kind of looked like,

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and then I kind of took it
from there. It wasn't, you

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know, exactly like a you know, eyewitness drawing or anything like that,

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but you know, it was kind
of like the look and feel of,

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you know, what it would be
like to be in a field and see,

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you know, these these two giant
forms chilling there watching you go to

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the bathroom. That would be insane. Man, I don't know which.

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You know, that's a lot to
unravel because right imagine like seeing it first

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off, and like, you know, your mind's blown. You're freaking out,

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and you go back in and tell
them and they're like, oh,

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yeah, that's Princess, right right. It's so weird. You weren't You

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weren't going to mention Princess before I
went out to take a piss. Yeah,

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by the way, you might run
into our pet albino sasquatch while you're

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out there, but it's okay.
That's nuts, man. So yeah,

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I mean, I I may,
I may reach out again just to see

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if you know, I can glean
any more information out of us. But

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it seemed like that was kind of
it, and it's this is all,

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well, he saw it, but
all the information is coming from another,

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an outside source that I don't have
access to, and he feels a little

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you know, I wouldn't say intimidated, but you know, like weird about

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talking about it. Yeah. So
yeah, I don't know. I don't

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know how I would get any more
information on that, but it would be

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cool. It'd be cool if I
could, if I could get something else

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out of there. I mean,
yeah, it's cool that he told you

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about it to begin with, though, I mean, right, yeah,

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And the only reason he did was
because I had been posting so much Bigfoot

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artwork. Oh wow. He reached
out to me and was like, hey,

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can I tell you something? And
I was like, yeah, of

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course, And you know that's where
it kind of like led off, and

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yeah, of course my mind was
blown. But you know, I've had

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like similar stuff happen to me whenever
people that I knew found out that I

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was in the Bigfoot and that I
took it seriously. A couple of different

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people that have hit me up and
you know, hey, can I tell

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you something, but don't tell anybody, you know, that type situation.

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Yeah, and it's always like the
last people you had ever expect, right,

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I think I don't know, like
not just bigfoot, but like weird,

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weird stuff. I think it happens
to everybody, but you know,

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it just kind of depends on your
your radar, your your own radar,

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and then like what you're willing to
you know, put out there, well

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not to come across offensive. Just
I'm completely ignorant about this. But like,

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is Virginia part of like the Appalachia
area? Yes, okay, so

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like the western more like the western
side of Virginia is like right there on

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like that whole strip of Appalachia.
Yeah, what's the deal with that place,

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man? Because that area has to
have some of the weirdest folklore of

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all and it really does. I've
like seen people talking about stuff and it's

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it's like beyond folklore. It's like, yeah, this stuff is real.

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People see weird stuff and experience all
the time. Have you have you ever

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been out this way? You been
out? I haven't, well, The

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only way I can really explain it
is you would have to be there,

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Like I mean, it's it's so
strange, like because you can step into

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these woods in these mountains and you
can just kind of like feel it.

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I don't know, it's a it's
a feeling. It's like a primal feeling,

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like it's so old. And the
Appalachian Mountains were, you know,

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part of like the oldest mountain range
in the world, and you know,

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when all the continents and stuff were
together, it was all part of like

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the same mountain range. So like
stuff you know that was in Europe could

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have you know, had free range
into what is modern day in North America.

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You know, yeah, something it's
like, uh, I don't know,

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it's it's a it's a just very
old and when you go there you

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can just feel it. Do you
think there's some kind of connection between the

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paranormal cryptids and all that stuff and
these areas that are really old and have

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lots of history, especially whenever you
get into terms of like geography like really

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old places, because it seems like
there's a lot of stories from there.

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I think so also that area was
like heavily settled by European immigrants. So

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European immigrants are bringing over their lore, their monsters, you know, their

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their fairy tales, and they're you
know meshing them, you know, with

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you know, Native American stuff,
and you know, you know, they

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they had their their beliefs over in
their country and then they're coming over here,

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and then you know, it kind
of gets like melted together with like

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Christianity and other religions, and I
mean it just kind of like it's a

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melting pot really, so I think
that has a lot to do with it

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as well. Do you guys any
lake monsters out there? Yeah, actually

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we do, and this is more
like towards like the Maryland side of Virginia,

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but the Chesapeake Bay is home to, or evidently home to Chess the

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lake monster, which I guess is
sort of like some sort of lake monster

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up there. And honestly, I
don't really know any any of the stories

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around that. I just know that
it's like a local cryptid of that area.

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I mean, what do you think
about lake monster stuff, because I

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mean, we recently talked about block
mess, you know, but lake monsters

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and sea monsters in general are something
that you know, if you follow human

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history. People have been talking about
them forever, and they're talked about all

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over the place, and those kind
of things always catch my attention. So

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what do you think is going on
with that? What do you think about

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lock Mess and all that? So, I mean, there there's got to

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be something in there. I mean, whether it's you know, as simple

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as you know, a school of
eels, or or if there's a you

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know, some sort of relative of
a Eplesius or who knows, you know,

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it's a The water has always been
like that, that area that we

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don't go, you know, like
I mean we it's it's still and it's

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still just like a place of mystery. And I think, you know,

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like in modern day times, you
know, we're we're all talking about going

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to space, but I mean there's
still like so much underwater stuff that we

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can't even touch. Yeah, I
mean it's it's insane. Uh So I

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think that, like I was talking
about before, like that sense of mystery,

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Like I think that has a lot
to like it just takes hold of

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your brain and I mean you just
kind of like go you kind of go

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crazy about it, honestly. So
yeah, I mean I don't I don't

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really know like, I don't know
if it's like a real thing or if

408
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:09.559
it's something that we've kind of like
created, you know, in our in

409
00:32:09.599 --> 00:32:14.359
our psyche. You know, that's
kind of like a collective consciousness kind of

410
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:19.559
thing, you know, where every
uh, you know, every every you

411
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:23.359
know, part of civilization has their
own you know, mystery around the water

412
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:29.960
or if or if there's something to
it, you know, I don't know

413
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:35.240
they got those. There's somebody just
posted pictures of quote unquote the Lockness Monster.

414
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:43.319
So who knows the Lockness monster butt
picture? Yeah, Yeah, that's

415
00:32:43.359 --> 00:32:45.880
crazy. They just did that giant
search for Lockness where they had like all

416
00:32:45.920 --> 00:32:51.440
those people meet up there and stuff, and yeah, I guess those pictures

417
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:53.480
were part of it or something.
It is kind of crazy, though,

418
00:32:53.519 --> 00:33:00.799
that we spend so much money and
effort to explore space whenever where we haven't

419
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:06.000
even began to touch on in the
ocean, right, It's so weird.

420
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:09.880
It's it boggles my mind actually,
like because I feel like I feel like

421
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:15.039
there there are things in the water
that we would would just like our brains

422
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:21.799
would explode, like we there there
could be dinosaurs, you know, like

423
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:24.599
this sort of stuff. I mean, there could be something ancient, you

424
00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:28.599
know, down there that you know, we just have no idea about.

425
00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:31.440
I grew up. Our state has
a lot of lakes, and I mean

426
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:37.759
it's not just Oklahoma, a lot
of states have this myth, you know,

427
00:33:37.880 --> 00:33:42.200
the story of like a diver was
added dam and went down and saw

428
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:45.839
a gigantic catfish that looked like it
was big enough to swallow Volkswagen Beetle.

429
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:51.319
It's like a common thing. Like
I grew up hearing that story, and

430
00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:53.720
then I like talk to other people
that heard the same story from other places,

431
00:33:53.759 --> 00:33:57.440
and I was like, oh,
so it's a thing then. But

432
00:33:57.519 --> 00:34:02.119
I mean, yeah, you know, I've person only seeing gigantic catfish being

433
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:06.200
pulled out of the lake before.
Yeah, and those are just the ones

434
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:12.079
we're catching. So there could be
something absolutely enormous just sitting at you know,

435
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.639
just a bottom feeder down in the
depths of the ocean somewhere that hardly

436
00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:19.199
ever moves, and we wouldn't know
anything about it. Yeah, we're too

437
00:34:19.239 --> 00:34:24.239
busy looking up. Oh man,
that's a beautiful segue. Actually, yeah,

438
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:29.039
yeah, let's talk about that same
thing. Let's talk about that.

439
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:36.599
Let's talk about first the White Monster
of Sherman. Yes, you illustrated that

440
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:43.119
book by I guess the Moth Boys. Is that the nomenclature to use for

441
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:50.000
the it is a Mothboy's presentation,
yep. And yeah, they they did

442
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:59.000
all the legwork really to research this. And as the story goes, you

443
00:34:59.039 --> 00:35:04.840
know, they grew up in in
and around the Chautauqua County area and Sherman

444
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:09.840
is, you know, the county
over and there was this book, it's

445
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:15.920
by John Keel thing. It's called
it Mysterious Monsters some kind of something like

446
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:22.559
that. I can't remember the exact
title, but there was an excerpt in

447
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:28.159
there where you know, John Keel
was adding in you know, correspondence he

448
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:31.679
got from people talking about monsters that
they've seen, and there was one entry

449
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:38.599
from a kid in Sherman County and
he was saying that he and his family

450
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:46.960
were seeing these giant albino ground sloths
in western New York in the nineteen sixties

451
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:54.320
and yeah, just wild, wild
stuff. And the Moth Boys were inspired

452
00:35:54.360 --> 00:36:00.239
by this story because you know,
it's their local legend basically that nobody that

453
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:02.840
nobody knows about. So they wanted
to get the story out. They obviously

454
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:09.639
wanted to find the kid who who
saw these creatures, and damn it,

455
00:36:09.719 --> 00:36:14.920
they did it. It was it
blew it blew my mind, dude,

456
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:20.719
if I could give them an award
like, that's nuts, man, that's

457
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:25.559
nuts. One little part of a
book written ages ago before they were ever

458
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:30.760
born, right, talking about some
kid that don't they don't give the kid's

459
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:37.079
name or anything. And these guys
tracked him down. They did, and

460
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:42.119
honestly, I don't even really know
how they did it. Maybe I shouldn't

461
00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:46.800
know how they did it, but
they found him. His name is John

462
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:52.280
Goodwill. I think he's in his
seventies right now. I met him once

463
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:57.119
at Mothman last year, at the
Mathman Festival last year, and I've met

464
00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.599
his brothers since, who have all
seen the white monsters as well when kids.

465
00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:07.599
But yeah, they they found him, they interviewed him, and you

466
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:13.039
know, John took them out to
the spots in Sherman County where they they

467
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:19.840
saw the white monsters. There's this
it's called the Rails to Trails and basically

468
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:23.199
it's an abandoned railroad section that they've
taken the railroad tracks out and made walking

469
00:37:23.239 --> 00:37:29.840
paths on. And that was like
the primary, you know, centric area

470
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:31.960
where they would see the white monsters, you know, going up and down

471
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:37.360
that railroad path. And so they
John took them out there. They took

472
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.800
photos and stuff, and then yeah, they compiled this book and they asked

473
00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:45.400
me to do the illustrations for it. And I mean, I couldn't be

474
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:47.920
prouder of this. I mean,
it's like a it's such a wild story

475
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.199
and it's just it was it's so
cool. Yeah, it's crazy. I

476
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:55.559
mean, it's just it's it's a
giant ground slow but it's a family of

477
00:37:55.599 --> 00:38:00.840
them, right, And I mean, Okay, so whenever you say that

478
00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:08.199
somebody saw a family of albino giant
ground sloss in the nineteen sixties in this

479
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:15.119
small town, obviously, anybody who
hears that is initially just gonna be like

480
00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:21.719
bullshit. I know, there's no
way those things aren't even fast and they're

481
00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.159
huge. How would they ever hide? But then whenever you like read the

482
00:38:25.199 --> 00:38:30.960
actual story where you know their interview
with the guy and realize he wasn't the

483
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:36.519
only one that saw them, and
nope, it was. I mean,

484
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:42.840
if they're lying, they've got me
fooled. I mean it sounds true.

485
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:45.960
And I tell you, I tell
you, I have met all of them,

486
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:52.039
and they're the most genuine awesome people. Like they have no reason,

487
00:38:52.920 --> 00:38:57.480
you know, to say this stuff
when I mean, it's not like they're

488
00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:59.960
they're getting a ton of money or
anything out of this. You know.

489
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:02.760
He was like a retired teacher,
wasn't he. Yeah, yeah, he's

490
00:39:02.760 --> 00:39:09.119
a biology teacher. So he said
he went into biology partly because of this,

491
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:14.320
like he didn't know what he was
looking at. So I feel like

492
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:19.199
that seed almost kind of like brought
him to what he was going to do

493
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.599
as an adult, which is kind
of cool. And you know how it

494
00:39:22.679 --> 00:39:27.039
is in those small towns like that
man, you don't want to be the

495
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.519
guy that lied and said he saw
a giant white sloth, you know,

496
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:36.360
right right, they have no reason
to lie about it. And I for

497
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:39.159
one, you know, and I
know a lot of people do they believe

498
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:44.440
them. There's no reason for them
to go out on a limb and say

499
00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:50.920
something ridiculous, you know. Okay, so we're both on the same page

500
00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:57.599
that this guy's telling the truth.
Yeah, how how how are those grounds?

501
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:02.679
How where are they alien? What's
going on? See? I don't

502
00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:09.039
know, And I mean it's funny
that you would say that aliens because we

503
00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:16.559
we actually went out to the swamp
and we experienced some UFO activity, which

504
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:22.239
is just this. I swear this, this place, Sherman, New York

505
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:29.639
is some kind of breeding ground for
the weird. It's wild, man,

506
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:32.480
Do you want me to tell the
story? Yeah, let's unpack it,

507
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:37.239
man. I mean, like,
what were you doing there? Who were

508
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:43.880
you with? What was going on? Okay? So, as we said,

509
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:46.480
we put together this book, The
White Monsters of Sherman, New York,

510
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:54.039
and we had this table. The
Mothboys invited me up to Sherman,

511
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:59.679
New York because Sherman was having their
two hundredth anniversary. They're by Centennial and

512
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:05.360
they were having this big parade and
they had vendors and food and all kinds

513
00:41:05.400 --> 00:41:07.559
of awesome stuff there. It was
a really good event. But we had

514
00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.840
a little table set up, you
know, with our books, and the

515
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:15.440
Moth Boys printed up some White Monsters
T shirts and stuff like that, and

516
00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:20.079
really it was just an opportunity to
get out with the local people and talk

517
00:41:20.159 --> 00:41:24.159
to them and try to introduce them
to this kind of like weird history of

518
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:28.920
their area that they may not know
of that they most people had no clue

519
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:32.840
of. So that was A really
cool part of it was, you know,

520
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:37.320
being in Sherman and talking to the
Shermanites. I don't know if that's

521
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:43.559
what you've got, but because I
mean, like I said before, you

522
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:45.760
go to these events and people just
come up to you with their stories and

523
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:52.039
it was like, you know,
everybody's got a weird story, and we

524
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:57.199
were able to hand them back a
weirder story. And you know, it

525
00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:59.760
was just kind of like up in
the ante to see, you know,

526
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:04.760
what they would come back with.
But yeah, so we were we were

527
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:09.719
there promoting the book and you know, shedding light on weird history. And

528
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:15.239
that night the Moth Boys were like
wanting to show me their stomping grounds and

529
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:19.079
stuff like that, and so we
went to you know, like their local

530
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:21.960
pizza joint, you know, their
like their ice cream joint. They you

531
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.000
know, they showed me a great
hospitality and stuff while I was up there,

532
00:42:24.880 --> 00:42:30.000
and uh, we decided that night
that we wanted to go do a

533
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:35.400
night investigation, uh in the swamp
where the white monsters had been sighted back

534
00:42:35.400 --> 00:42:40.480
in the nineteen sixties. And so
we went out to the rails to trails

535
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.719
and you know, we were equipped
with you know, headlamps, and flashlights

536
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:52.480
and machetes. Of course, sure, as one does when on a night

537
00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:59.760
investigation in a swamp. So we
were out there and you know, we

538
00:42:59.800 --> 00:43:02.679
walked, you know, maybe a
mile and a half to maybe even two

539
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:09.920
miles. I kind of lost count
of it down this rails to trails and

540
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:13.079
it's just you know, it used
to be a railroad track. So we

541
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:17.239
were just a straight shot through the
woods through the swamp, and you know,

542
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:22.239
we we got you know, pretty
far into a place where we were

543
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:23.880
like, you know, is this
even really the rails to trails anymore?

544
00:43:24.039 --> 00:43:29.280
Like should we turn around? Are
we on someone's property? So we were

545
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:31.880
getting a little freaked out about that, so we decided to go back and

546
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:38.159
we got to this one area where
it kind of opened up and you know,

547
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:42.719
you could see the swamp, you
could see the mountain and the night

548
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:50.320
sky and Matt moth Boy, Matt
calls attention to a star, or what

549
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.679
we thought was a star at first. He was like, man, look

550
00:43:52.679 --> 00:43:55.400
at that. That's a weird one. And it was a very big looking

551
00:43:55.679 --> 00:44:01.400
light in the sky, kind of
an orangeish hue to it, and we

552
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:07.199
all kind of locked onto it,
like I don't know, I mean we

553
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:09.800
we thought it was kind of weird
because it was kind of hanging low,

554
00:44:09.920 --> 00:44:15.440
like kind of sort of right above
the mountaintop. And I say mountaintop,

555
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:21.000
it's more like a rolling hill mountain, you know. Yeah, but this

556
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:22.760
thing, you know, it's upstate, you know, western New York,

557
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:27.559
so I mean there's not like huge
mountains or anything like that. But you

558
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:30.800
know, it was sitting sort of, you know, above the tree line

559
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:36.079
of the mountain, and it just
looked really low for a star. So

560
00:44:36.119 --> 00:44:39.400
we all kind of locked onto it, and we realized that it was moving

561
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:45.280
up very slowly. Like it was
almost like you if you weren't looking right

562
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:47.119
at it or locked onto something next
to it, you wouldn't be able to

563
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:50.840
tell it was moving at all.
So that's what we did. We kind

564
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.679
of like locked onto a star next
to it, and you could tell it

565
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:59.360
was moving very slowly up. And
as we all kind of realized that it

566
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:01.440
was moving and sort of vocalizing to
each other, you know, hey,

567
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:06.320
it's moving, it's moving, it
started to move faster and it moved up

568
00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:10.360
and up and up, and then
totally blinked out. It just totally went

569
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:15.480
out, and we all were like
kind of freaking out a little bit,

570
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:20.159
but in like a good way.
Like we were all like very excited at

571
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:25.480
this point. And as it went
out, we could tell behind it there

572
00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:30.119
were blinking lights, and we were
like, at first thought maybe it was

573
00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:34.000
a plane, you know, and
of course, you know, skeptical stuff

574
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:38.920
going through your brain. But then
they started coming closer to us, and

575
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:43.239
we were like, okay, this
is kind of strange. So there was

576
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:47.400
like, i think two blinking lights
that were kind of coming towards us.

577
00:45:47.679 --> 00:45:51.880
One was kind of going off to
the left and one was coming right towards

578
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.440
us, and we just kind of
waited for it, and it went right

579
00:45:54.480 --> 00:46:01.719
over our heads and when we looked
up, we all saw this. It

580
00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:07.880
was a dark shape that was darker
than the sky behind it, and it

581
00:46:07.920 --> 00:46:12.920
was a perfect diamond shape with four
lights underneath of it. It was making

582
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:17.519
absolutely no noise, and it flew
right over our heads and it disappeared behind

583
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:22.800
the mountain behind us, and we
all were just like, holy crap,

584
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:28.719
that is the weirdest thing we've ever
seen. And so it didn't stop there

585
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.639
as soon as that went over our
heads, and we were all kind of

586
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:35.519
like, you know, talking about
it, and we were all really hyped

587
00:46:35.599 --> 00:46:44.320
up. Matt saw again that same
light over by the mountain. Again it

588
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:47.199
was a little bit lower in the
sky, but it was still sitting very

589
00:46:47.239 --> 00:46:51.639
low, like right on the mountain. And as soon as we all or

590
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:54.199
he called attention to it, and
as soon as we all looked at it,

591
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:58.920
it went out again. It just
blinked out right there, like this

592
00:46:59.119 --> 00:47:04.480
is this is over? You know, you don't see anymore. So yeah,

593
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:06.840
I mean, we were in a
couple other things. We saw a

594
00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:12.159
couple other questionable lights in the sky
at that that time, but that was

595
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:15.679
like the most significant part, and
for me, the most significant was actually

596
00:47:15.679 --> 00:47:22.000
seeing the diamond fly over my head. It was insane, like absolutely insane.

597
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:27.320
I mean, I'm no expert,
but I believe that's what they call

598
00:47:27.360 --> 00:47:32.480
a UFO, right, I mean, there's you know, nothing else you

599
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:38.960
can call it. I mean,
damn, dude. Have you guys like

600
00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:43.880
reported it or anything. I don't
think that we have. I mean we

601
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:46.599
I think we've all talked about it
on a podcast or two at this point.

602
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:51.159
Yeah, but uh no, we
haven't. We haven't like reported it

603
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:53.480
officially to my knowledge, you know. I mean, as soon as I

604
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:59.119
heard about it on the interwebs.
You know, I hit you up immediately,

605
00:47:59.519 --> 00:48:04.719
Yeah you did, and asked you
about it. That's crazy. One

606
00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:08.599
of the aspects that you know,
again is the most crazy about it is

607
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:15.199
you definitely feel that there was like
an intelligent interaction whenever it blinked out that

608
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:20.639
last time. Well, honestly,
I felt like there was an interaction the

609
00:48:20.800 --> 00:48:23.920
entire time, Like I mean,
from when we noticed it in the sky

610
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:29.719
above the mountain, and then as
the rest of our group there were five

611
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.760
of us there that night, as
the rest of us in our group all

612
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:37.400
kind of locked onto it. That's
when it started. It was like,

613
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:40.400
oh, you recognize me, watch
this kind of that was kind of that

614
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:45.519
energy starting out with. And then
then it was the diamond, which got

615
00:48:45.599 --> 00:48:52.159
us really hyped up. And then
the the light at the end that went

616
00:48:52.199 --> 00:48:55.519
out when we drew like drew attention
to it. That that one was a

617
00:48:55.519 --> 00:49:01.039
little bit creepier for some reason.
And Matt, Mike and myself all kind

618
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:06.920
of reported afterwards that when that light
went out at the end, we all

619
00:49:07.039 --> 00:49:09.239
kind of got chills. Actually,
I'm getting chills right now talking about it.

620
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.159
That was kind of a weird one, I felt like, and I

621
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:21.519
can't really explain why. I don't
know. If it was just the the

622
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:27.960
feeling that you know, it was
interacting with us on that level that gave

623
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.440
us chills. I don't know,
I don't know what it was, but

624
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:35.920
yeah, that that just felt different. Maybe it was whenever you discovered that

625
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:40.599
you were missing like eight hours.
No, no, no, we we

626
00:49:40.719 --> 00:49:47.280
actually checked our watches just to you
know, just to make sure, you

627
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:51.559
know, when when you run in
these circles, you kind of have to

628
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:54.519
check all these boxes, right,
But yeah, I mean it was.

629
00:49:54.559 --> 00:50:01.480
It was wild. Have you gone
down the UFO rabbit hole because of it?

630
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:10.440
No, more than normal. I've
always been kind of interested in in

631
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:14.920
UFOs, I admit, not as
not as much as like cryptids and you

632
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:17.199
know, bigfoot and stuff, but
uh or ghosts for that matter. I

633
00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:22.400
mean, it's definitely a crazy time
for UFO stuff, it is it,

634
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:27.239
Yeah, it really is. And
I think I will be you know,

635
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:31.440
getting you know, deeper down into
that rabbit hole as you know, things

636
00:50:31.480 --> 00:50:37.360
progress and hopefully I see more because
that was I mean, that was a

637
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:42.519
wild, wild thing. Have you
followed any of the disclosure stuff going on?

638
00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:49.000
Yeah, I mean I watched the
hearing and everything like that. And

639
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:52.639
I mean, while it's exciting and
I think, you know, it kind

640
00:50:52.639 --> 00:50:55.519
of opens the door for other people
who may have felt, you know,

641
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:00.599
like they can't speak up. You
know, it gives them a little bit

642
00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:02.159
more confidence, you know. I
think that's a good part of it.

643
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:07.639
But also it's kind of like I
feel like the hearings and you know,

644
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.400
like the official kind of stuff is
kind of like dumbing it down a little

645
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:15.639
bit, like so much so that
it's almost like not fun anymore. I

646
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:19.679
don't know, I don't know,
that's just me being you know, yeah,

647
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:24.440
it seems like a lot of that
stuff is really just for the sake

648
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:30.599
of the government paperwork and stuff,
yes, and not really accomplishing what anybody

649
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:35.000
wants to have accomplished. Yeah.
So I mean that's that's kind of my

650
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:38.320
sense on it. Like I'm I'm
all for, you know, giving the

651
00:51:38.360 --> 00:51:43.559
power to people to you know,
feel confident and coming forward and you know,

652
00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:46.599
talking about their weird experiences and stuff
like that. But when you know

653
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:50.880
it, the only reason you know, you're bringing this stuff to light is

654
00:51:50.960 --> 00:51:53.800
you know, for national security or
you know, you know that, I

655
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:57.880
don't know, it just kind of
seems like it's you know, the government

656
00:51:57.920 --> 00:52:04.800
being the government changing up of have
you ever seen a ghost? I have

657
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:08.159
seen a ghost? Yeah, I
then I think I've I've talked about this

658
00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:14.159
a couple of times, but that
was actually like probably one of the first

659
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:20.519
weird things that I've ever seen in
my life. But I was on a

660
00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:28.519
field trip to historic ken Moore in
the ken Moore Plantation was a working plantation

661
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:38.320
in you know, like the seventeen
hundreds in Fredericksburg, Virginia, and the

662
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:44.039
the guy that owned ken Moore his
name is Fielding Lewis, and he married

663
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:51.639
George Washington's sister Mary. I was
on a field trip there. We were,

664
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:53.960
you know, kind of being rambunctious
kids, you know, like we

665
00:52:54.159 --> 00:53:00.559
kind of run around this historical building
and uh, we're supposed to be,

666
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:06.800
you know, paying attention to the
the tour that was happening, and me

667
00:53:06.960 --> 00:53:10.000
and a friend were kind of like
you know, roaming around looking into the

668
00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:14.559
rooms and stuff like that. And
I can remember one of the rooms the

669
00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:17.880
door was kind of like cracked and
you could see through the back of like

670
00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:22.320
where the hinges are the back of
the door into the room. So I

671
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:28.920
was looking through that and I saw
what looked like a person in the bed

672
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:35.679
in this you know, historical bed, and this like brownish white hair coming

673
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:40.159
down out of the bed. And
I got a really weird feeling at that

674
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:46.599
point and decided to get the heck
out of there. And to this day,

675
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:50.559
you know, I believe that was
a ghost. Like I was,

676
00:53:50.400 --> 00:53:57.559
I was witnessed to something going on
in that room that was weird. I

677
00:53:57.559 --> 00:54:00.599
mean, there's no shot that somebody
who was laying down in that bed right

678
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:06.000
right, Yeah, that's crazy.
I mean it sounds like it was something

679
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:10.199
that was like actually fully manifested it
and it looked totally solid. Yeah,

680
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:14.440
which you know, I always kind
of end this story with, you know,

681
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:16.039
maybe it was one of the tour
guides on their fifteen minute break,

682
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:20.679
but you know, there's no Yeah, there's no reason. There's no reason

683
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:22.880
for that to have I mean,
they they did, they don't do that

684
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:27.119
kind of stuff there, And I
don't know it just I can remember.

685
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:32.239
I think when you see something like
that and it sticks with you your entire

686
00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:37.800
life, Like I can still see
it in my brain. And I'm the

687
00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:39.440
type of person, you know,
I may not remember what I have for

688
00:54:39.480 --> 00:54:45.440
breakfast in the morning, but this
is burned into my brain and I think

689
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.440
that's significant. Yeah, in a
lot of these situations, I think that's

690
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:57.280
a significant thing. There's a guy
who, uh, another podcaster and again

691
00:54:57.360 --> 00:55:01.800
I won't mention any names, but
more recently they've talked more about it,

692
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:09.039
but they have a bigfoot podcast,
and they started noticing some things happening around

693
00:55:09.079 --> 00:55:14.320
their property. And they do live
on some property where, you know,

694
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:15.960
it's not like they're in the middle
of the city like me or anything.

695
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.960
But they were very skeptical and I
think they still are skeptical, which is

696
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:25.239
great. You have to kind of
be that, you know, to not

697
00:55:25.280 --> 00:55:31.559
get carried away with it or anything. But they weren't willing to commit to

698
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:36.159
saying like, hey, I think
I have bigfoot coming on my property,

699
00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:43.199
you know. And they were really
just kind of being overly skeptical about it,

700
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:49.360
which again I do understand having grown
up in the bigfoot community. But

701
00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:51.719
I was talking to somebody else about
it, and I said, you know,

702
00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:57.280
the thing is, if they didn't
at least think it was bigfoot,

703
00:55:57.280 --> 00:56:00.760
they wouldn't be talking about it.
It wouldn't be going out too And I

704
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:07.320
think that our minds have a way
of you know, like you're saying,

705
00:56:07.360 --> 00:56:13.519
whenever you remember something your entire life
and it's just ingrained in your mind,

706
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:19.880
that's a pretty good clue that it's
real that you saw something and your mind

707
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:22.760
recognized it for something that isn't supposed
to be there. Whether you did or

708
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:27.760
not, you may not be able
to prove it at all, but you

709
00:56:27.920 --> 00:56:32.280
always have that feeling. Yeah,
yeah, I definitely identify with that,

710
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:37.639
Like the paranormal stuff goes some things
like that. I mean, jeez,

711
00:56:37.760 --> 00:56:44.079
my entire life, you know,
that's kind of how I got, you

712
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:49.360
know, started in all of this, and I've experienced some things and it

713
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:53.280
just it blows my mind. Because
with Bigfoot, I mean, you know,

714
00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:58.159
like you're in the crypto community,
you're a cryptid artist. I've seen

715
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:00.519
you do artwork of all different kinds
of cryptids. I mean, you've got

716
00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:06.239
crazy ones. You know, there's
absolutely crazy ones. But Bigfoot's on a

717
00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:12.840
whole different level because people routinely report
seeing Bigfoot, where you don't have,

718
00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:15.880
like next week, nobody's going to
report seeing a hoodag. You know,

719
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:21.559
it's just not going to happen,
right, But ghosts, everybody's seen a

720
00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:25.280
ghost. Ghosts have been seen forever. They've been talked about forever, and

721
00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:30.000
it just kind of blows my mind
that people, I mean, the White

722
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:35.559
House is haunted, there are ghosts
the White House, but yet people are

723
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:40.440
still skeptical about there being spirits and
ghosts and stuff. It's just kind of

724
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:46.039
crazy to me. Yeah, that's
a pretty wild Have you ever gone into

725
00:57:46.039 --> 00:57:50.960
any detail on your experiences? Like, I don't know if I've ever heard

726
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:55.280
of And honestly, this isn't a
weird flex or anything. There's just been

727
00:57:55.400 --> 00:58:01.159
so many, Like I've probably shared
a few here and there on like other

728
00:58:01.280 --> 00:58:07.719
podcasts. I don't think I really
touched on them with this one. But

729
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:12.639
yeah, I mean I was experiencing
things as a as a small child.

730
00:58:13.039 --> 00:58:15.960
Oh wow, that's terrifying. Yeah. Whenever I was born, there was

731
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:21.480
like five generations alive at once.
Oh wow. I was raised by my

732
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:28.159
great grandparents, but for the first
year and a half roughish, my great

733
00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:30.880
great grandmother was alive and living in
this house, and she actually passed away

734
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:40.639
in this house. I'm pretty sure
that was like the first spirit activity that

735
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:45.559
I noticed. But there was like
another ghost in this house that did some

736
00:58:45.599 --> 00:58:53.159
pretty gnarly stuff before I was ever
born. I had an uncle. You

737
00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:58.760
know, my mom and like her
brother and brothers and sister were This was

738
00:58:58.800 --> 00:59:01.199
their grandparents' house. They were always
over here and staying the night and stuff.

739
00:59:01.800 --> 00:59:05.960
And one time, whenever they were
over here staying the night, whenever

740
00:59:06.000 --> 00:59:09.000
they were younger, my uncle was
actually attacked. Oh wow. He was

741
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:15.760
like laying on the living room floor
on a pallet, and uh he said

742
00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:21.320
that he like rolled over. I
think it was wintertime. We have like

743
00:59:21.360 --> 00:59:24.519
a gas fireplace in the living room, and I think it was on at

744
00:59:24.519 --> 00:59:29.000
the time, but he said that
he couldn't get comfortable, and he like

745
00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:31.880
rolled over towards the fire and he
just like opened his eyes and he saw

746
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:37.880
a man's face in the back of
the fireplace, and then it, you

747
00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:42.599
know, scared the crap out of
him. So he kind of rolled over

748
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:45.760
on his back where he couldn't see
it anymore, and he felt somebody like

749
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:51.000
sit on his chest and like start
choking him. Oh my goodness. And

750
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:54.679
I mean like he was like fighting. And my mom was asleep on the

751
00:59:54.719 --> 01:00:00.960
couch and woke up hearing like the
struggle and everything thing and saw him like

752
01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:07.440
wrestling with somebody, but nobody was
there, and then as soon as I

753
01:00:07.440 --> 01:00:12.239
think she like you know, screamed
or something, and it just like immediately

754
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:14.880
stopped, and he just sat up
real fast, like gasping for air.

755
01:00:15.719 --> 01:00:23.599
Oh my goodness. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I still live here.

756
01:00:23.639 --> 01:00:29.519
I ended up actually inheriting the house. Uh and I still live here,

757
01:00:29.679 --> 01:00:36.559
and sometimes weird stuff happens, but
nothing crazy. Kind of gone through some

758
01:00:37.239 --> 01:00:44.480
precautionary steps to make sure that nothing
crazy happens, or at least hopefully.

759
01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:52.440
Yeah, and do you have a
Okay, Well, I'm just wondering like

760
01:00:52.639 --> 01:00:58.159
what your what your thoughts are on
and I know this this could go on

761
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:02.480
for hours and hours, but what
your thoughts are and what that could be?

762
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:07.119
Like what do you think that's an
intelligent, you know, spirit a

763
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.519
person that the spirit was a person, or do you think it was something

764
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:15.519
different? Yeah, that's a good
question. But I do think that was

765
01:01:15.559 --> 01:01:21.519
a person, which is kind of
jacked up. You know that he was

766
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:25.639
like strangling a young boy. But
uh so, my great grandparents were the

767
01:01:25.719 --> 01:01:32.440
second owners of this house. And
and I only know this information because of

768
01:01:32.480 --> 01:01:37.159
the events that I experienced as a
kid and doing research on my own trying

769
01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:42.880
to understand what I was experiencing,
you know, because I had asked my

770
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:47.000
grandparents, and my grandfather would just
be like not talking about it, you

771
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:52.719
know. My grandma was like,
oh, those are just guardian angels.

772
01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:57.760
Don't worry about him, you know. If you get just come up,

773
01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:01.320
they're sitting on your chest. Fol
Like, what kind of angel is that?

774
01:02:01.960 --> 01:02:06.440
But uh, I mean, like
nothing crazy like that was happening to

775
01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:10.039
me obviously, But uh so I
started asking questions and found out that the

776
01:02:10.039 --> 01:02:15.840
original owners of the house was a
husband and wife. They were older.

777
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:20.719
I think they were visiting kids or
on vacation or something like a state away.

778
01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:24.960
Uh And while they were on this
trip, they got into a car

779
01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:30.800
accident and the husband died, and
the wife came home and sold the house

780
01:02:30.840 --> 01:02:37.079
eventually to my great grandparents. And
I just kind of always felt like,

781
01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:40.639
that's the jerk, you know,
that that was the mean entity that was

782
01:02:40.679 --> 01:02:45.239
here. Well, you know,
from from his point of view, you

783
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:47.920
guys are in his house. Yeah, somebody's in his house. Who who's

784
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:51.960
just sleeping on the floor in my
house? Yeah, you know, jump

785
01:02:52.000 --> 01:02:57.280
on him? Yeah? Yeah,
So I mean that's that's wild. Yeah,

786
01:02:57.280 --> 01:02:59.960
that's probably that's probably one of the
more intense ones I've ever heard,

787
01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:01.719
Like, I don't know if I've
ever heard of, you know, other

788
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:07.719
than like a TV show or a
movie of a spirit actually attacking someone like

789
01:03:07.760 --> 01:03:13.559
that. Yeah, I mean there's
been like a few instances over the years,

790
01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:19.039
some creepy stuff. I felt like
a finger on my leg kind of

791
01:03:19.079 --> 01:03:23.920
like running down towards my knee while
I was laying in bed. Oh yeah,

792
01:03:24.039 --> 01:03:29.480
that was one of the creepier ones. But yeah, but yeah,

793
01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:31.800
some things have definitely happened in this
house. And I mean I'm not the

794
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:36.760
only one that's saying this stuff,
Like other people have been here and witness

795
01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:43.559
stuff. My friend Bob from Bigfoot
Club had his first visual sighting of a

796
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:47.920
ghost in this house. Oh yeah, and it was kind of crazy because

797
01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:52.880
the one that he saw was like
one of the more common occurrences that happens

798
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:58.639
in this house, which was probably
like a residual thing. But I had

799
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:03.400
never told him that particular story or
anything. I mean that that just,

800
01:04:03.599 --> 01:04:06.320
I mean, that just adds credence
to what's been going on. You know,

801
01:04:08.159 --> 01:04:11.280
someone experiences it without knowing and then
comes to you and you're like,

802
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:14.480
oh yeah, you know that's oh
yeah, that's this, yeah, but

803
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:17.679
there's definitely something to it. So
so do you think do you think all

804
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:23.559
ghosts are dead people or do you
think there are different kinds? And I

805
01:04:23.599 --> 01:04:27.239
think there's different kinds man. That's
kind of like what I've been I've been

806
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:30.840
thinking about this a lot too,
Like I don't know. I mean,

807
01:04:30.880 --> 01:04:34.039
I feel like there's different types of
ghosts and it's not all one thing,

808
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:38.320
and it could be could be a
bunch of different things. So I don't

809
01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:42.000
know. I've never understood, like
why people always say that it's like,

810
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:45.960
you know, this is you know, my my grandmother over here, you

811
01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:48.679
know, I mean, is it? I don't know. I mean I

812
01:04:48.719 --> 01:04:51.639
think that happens a lot though,
with a lot of things. Whenever you're

813
01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:58.519
talking about the world of the unexplained. I mean, we don't know anything

814
01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:01.280
about any of that stuff. I
just know that people witness it and experience

815
01:05:01.400 --> 01:05:05.320
things. I mean, I think
the same thing could be going on with

816
01:05:05.360 --> 01:05:11.400
Bigfoot. You know, just because
you're out in the woods looking for Bigfoot

817
01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:15.960
doesn't mean something crazy you experience is
Bigfoot. It could be something else entirely,

818
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:18.920
we don't know, And if Bigfoot's
out there, that was one of

819
01:05:19.000 --> 01:05:23.880
my first thoughts, you know,
after I encountered Bigfoot, you know,

820
01:05:23.960 --> 01:05:29.679
which sounds crazy even now twenty plus
years to say, but if Bigfoot's out

821
01:05:29.679 --> 01:05:31.599
there, what else is out there? You know? Because Bigfoot's not supposed

822
01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:35.599
to be here. That's crazy,
right, you know. So yeah,

823
01:05:35.639 --> 01:05:43.719
so one more topic before we get
off here. I mentioned Robert Domingo's Bigfoot

824
01:05:43.719 --> 01:05:47.159
Club and he had a question that
he wanted me to ask you. Okay,

825
01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:50.760
hey, Bob, yeah, you
did his logo too, so great

826
01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:55.719
job on that. I'm wearing the
shirt. Actually that I realized I'm actually

827
01:05:55.719 --> 01:05:58.719
wearing the Bigfoot Club shirt. It's
an awesome shirt. It's one of my

828
01:05:58.760 --> 01:06:02.920
favorite shirts. So so he wanted
me to ask you about your thoughts as

829
01:06:02.920 --> 01:06:11.920
an artist about AI art and how
crazy viral it is. And it's something

830
01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:16.199
that kind of pertains to this subject
because there's a ton of AI art being

831
01:06:16.320 --> 01:06:23.880
used by Bigfoot podcasts and just showing
up on Bigfoot Facebook groups and Instagram accounts

832
01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:30.119
and everywhere. So what are your
thoughts as an artist? Well as an

833
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:33.719
artist, you know, I'm you
know kind of like, you know,

834
01:06:34.760 --> 01:06:40.920
just hire me to draw your big
Foot. I feel like it is kind

835
01:06:40.920 --> 01:06:45.360
of you know, taking some some
jobs away from me and you know my

836
01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:51.159
you know, my colleagues. So
I mean, I I'm not a huge

837
01:06:51.199 --> 01:06:57.400
fan of it. Also, I
mean you can do some really insane stuff

838
01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:00.119
with it, like it's very powerful, but also I don't think it's you

839
01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:05.880
know, very ethical because of the
softwares right now, are you know,

840
01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:11.679
pulling from actual artists who have created
stuff, you know, with their you

841
01:07:11.719 --> 01:07:15.960
know, own two hands, right
and you know just because you pull you

842
01:07:16.000 --> 01:07:20.239
know, this from this artist and
this from this artist and mash it up

843
01:07:20.280 --> 01:07:25.320
together, you know that I don't
know that that necessarily makes a piece of

844
01:07:25.440 --> 01:07:30.440
art. You know, the human
aspect has been taken away from it.

845
01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:35.679
And you know, at the end
of the day, I would like to

846
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:41.440
see AI be used for, you
know, taking some of the pressures off

847
01:07:41.480 --> 01:07:45.760
of like, you know, hard
jobs. You know, like why why

848
01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:48.880
do the robots get to sit around, you know, creating art and writing

849
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:51.840
and making poetry and we have to
do that? You know that nine to

850
01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:56.599
five jobs? Isn't that kind of
weird? Right? Yeah? Why why

851
01:07:56.639 --> 01:08:00.400
is that the first thing that they
think of to replace? It seems like

852
01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:04.480
as soon as AI was introduced to
the public, it just instantly went to

853
01:08:04.519 --> 01:08:11.559
the art realm and like chat GPT. You know, what would Donald Trump

854
01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:15.720
say to an alien? You know, stuff like that, Instead of what's

855
01:08:15.720 --> 01:08:24.119
a cure for cancer? You know, what's an unlimited energy source? Things

856
01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:30.039
like that, people would rather make
photos with it. It's weird the downside,

857
01:08:30.159 --> 01:08:33.880
especially in the world of Bigfoot,
and I'm sure it's going on in

858
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:41.239
other places. But I mean already
you see AI being used to hoax photographs,

859
01:08:41.680 --> 01:08:46.319
yes, and AI renderings being presented
as real. How can that be

860
01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:49.560
fought against? Can it be fought
against? I mean surely it's only going

861
01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:56.800
to get worse as AI progresses.
Yeah, And I mean they were probably

862
01:08:58.000 --> 01:09:02.640
thinking this, you know, when
you know photographs were created or or movies.

863
01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:06.520
You know, I can remember.
I think it was a documentary that

864
01:09:06.560 --> 01:09:13.279
I watched where they were when you
know, sound was introduced into movies,

865
01:09:13.279 --> 01:09:15.239
people thought that, you know,
movies were going to be you know,

866
01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:18.720
completely crap, you know, after
that. Like so I think I think,

867
01:09:18.760 --> 01:09:24.319
really, any you know, uh
technology that kind of comes out,

868
01:09:24.399 --> 01:09:28.800
I think people are going to fear
it right off the bat. And I

869
01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:32.600
think I think AI can be useful, you know, as like I was

870
01:09:32.600 --> 01:09:35.359
saying, like with with some of
these, you know, bigger problems and

871
01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:39.840
like what you were saying, like
you know, why why can't we you

872
01:09:39.880 --> 01:09:43.279
know, use it to to cure
diseases and stuff like that, you know,

873
01:09:43.399 --> 01:09:50.359
as opposed to writing poetry or you
know, creating paintings. Yeah,

874
01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:57.119
all right, where can we find
Jonathan Dodd's art work? You can find

875
01:09:57.159 --> 01:10:00.600
me. Probably the best place to
find me would be on Instagram. My

876
01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:04.960
Instagram handle is Jonathan Dodd Underscore Draws, and I also have a website.

877
01:10:05.359 --> 01:10:10.920
It's Jonathan doodddraws dot com. Do
you got any big projects coming up that

878
01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:15.720
we can look forward to in the
cryptid community? Actually? Yeah, Me

879
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:20.359
and my brother are currently writing a
graphic novel so hopefully you know, that'll

880
01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:24.920
be out, you know, in
the next year or two. So that's

881
01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:27.880
kind of like one of my big
projects that I have on my plate right

882
01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:31.039
now. What's it about? Can
you say? I would rather not talk

883
01:10:31.079 --> 01:10:34.199
about it right now because it's just
so it's so early. Fair enough,

884
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:39.319
fair enough? Yeah, sorry,
sorry to be so cryptic. Well,

885
01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:42.760
man, I appreciate you coming on. I've thoroughly enjoyed it. Like you

886
01:10:42.760 --> 01:10:45.920
said, it was long overdue.
I'm glad it finally happened, and we

887
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:48.840
will have to do it again sometime. Yeah, man, anytime, this

888
01:10:49.000 --> 01:10:51.479
is a blast. I really appreciate
you having me on. I'm a huge

889
01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:55.760
fan of the show. Really glad
that you and I have become close over

890
01:10:55.800 --> 01:10:59.079
the last couple of years. And
yeah, let's do this again. Yeah,

891
01:10:59.079 --> 01:11:02.279
for sure, man. And if
you've encountered something like Bigfoot or something

892
01:11:02.279 --> 01:11:06.199
else and explain, send me an
email at Bigfoot Crossroads at gmail dot com.

893
01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:11.079
Check out the website if you get
a chance, Bigfoot Crossroads dot com.

894
01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:14.319
And until next time, I remember
there's something in the woods.