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Any thoughts that medicine had advanced considerably
in the last hundred years of warfare quickly

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banished as I walked into Belitz Military
Hospital outside Berlin. I'm here to work

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on the Professor Bernheim, one of
Germany's pre eminent psychiatrists, and he's happy

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to tell you so. Bernheim struggles
to pronounce my name, and to be

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fair, I'm Swedish old of Drummer. I studied under Professor Sigmund Freud in

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Vienna. Bernheim knows how to pronounce
Freud's name and does so, as one

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might say, as a curse.
Labor One is a fan of Freud and

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is emerging psychoanalytical methods, but I
specialize in them. Most of the patients

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in the general ward here have terrible
physical wounds. Those in the psychiatric unit

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are suffering from a newly designated ailment, shell shock, and according to Freud,

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all these men have severe and roses
leading to organic symptoms sound organs,

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refusing function, limbs, tongue,
eyes. Here all unresponsive to incoming stimulate

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the shocked brain. Worth witness or
experience incidents so horrific as to be unbearable

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would diverge by converting these blocked out
memories into physical pain or fault in order

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to render them in a more acceptable
form. I sit in my clinical room.

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There is a knock on the door, and my first patient comes in

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and hands over his fire pale,
brooding with a thick brush mustache. He

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stands at attention while he looks at
me. I can feel his eyes boring

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into me. I read the medical
pile. Adolf Hitler Corporal Signal Runner sixteenth

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Bavarian Reserve Regiment, shrapnel wound to
left thigh at Psalm nineteen sixteen, Awarded

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the Iron Cross, a second class
reposted to a front line after discharge.

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Must At gas victim at Uprey in
nineteen eighteen, temporary blindness. I'm fit

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to turn. That's not yet decided, corporal, I'm fitted to return.

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How So two years ago the howardzer
shell kid all around me. I survived.

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Why Well, there could be many
reasons. Name one. Look and

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now you're once again an unfortunate victim
and a mustard gas attack at the prey

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and you sustain another significant injury.
I am not a victim. Well you

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did, nevertheless, suffering the attack, did you not? Does it not

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stay there? That I was struck
blind. Yeah, do I seem blind?

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Apparently your blindness was temporary. Do
you recall Soul of Tauses Saint Paul?

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Yes? I do, He too
was an aream and he was struck

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blind. I see he went on
like this. His military exploit gave him

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a feeling of being Destiny's chosen son. His constant harping on his special status

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to me screamed of deep insecurity.
Before I went to medical school in Vienna,

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Professor Sigmund Freud had developed his theories
and the practice of psychoanalysis. He

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maintained that people suffer inherent of roses
stemming from traumatic episodes dating from earliest childhood,

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even from birth, and that these
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We have frequent sessions during Corporal Hitler's
stay here at Belitz, his combatative

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and clearly feels my presence is an
annoyance to be suffered through. Would you

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care to talk to me about your
childhood? Why? Well? Were you

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happy as a child? My childhood
has no pertinence. It could I wish

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to be discharged now returned to active
duty? Were I beaten and sodomized as

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a child, or lovingly handled his
supportive care. Neither would change the fact

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that I am a capable soldier and
I belong with my men. Well,

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you're not yet ready for that,
corpron We have a little way to go

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before you deemed fit for further military
service. More sessions went on fruitlessly.

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Finally, in desperation, I tried
another tactic, Corporal Adolph, I know

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you've seen death. I have as
well, another of your patients, perhaps

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a suicide, as the tired of
your babbling no no. When I was

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six, I had a playmate at
school, a girl. Her name was

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Elsa. We were at the same
age. One wet afternoon, her mother

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caught the two of us in a
woodshed examining each other. As neither of

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us had a brother or a sister. It was a union situation as we

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discovered the essential difference between boys and
girls. What happened, Well, to

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back up, Elsa did have a
brother, but he drowned in a lake

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when she was just a baby,
and her father had died in a shipwreck

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before she was born. So it
was just Elsa, who used to stutter,

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and a mother who was very,
very strict, And that afternoon,

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when she discovered us, her mother
was very angry and threatened to get to

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my grandfather to cut off my penis
with his biggest knife. He and my

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father are both surgeons. After that, I started to stutter, just like

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Elsa. Ever well, went on
distress. My grandmother said Elsa's family had

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madness. I asked my father what
cost it, and he said men caught

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sickness from women that led to madness, nearly your disease. My mother said,

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none of that's wrong. She said
Elsa's mother was that way because of

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her family's misfortune. But that's not
the worst part. What is Six years

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later, hours away at boarding school, and came home for the summer vacation

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to some terrible news. At that
time, Else had started to menstruate and

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her mother could not cope, so
she stabbed Helps to death and then hanged

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herself. Madness, madness, Yes, why would you tell me this?

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Ever since those episodes have prevented me
from establishing relationships with girls and now with

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women, your childhood has affected your
adult life. Yes, I never told

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anyone this before. Thank you.
From then on, our relationship changed.

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I learned about him, both from
him and from others in the hospital,

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and knew him Adolf Hitler was born
in Austria in eighteen eighty nine and his

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father, Aloua, was the illegitimate
son of Mariah Schicklgruber, and when Mariah

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became the third wife of Johann Heidler, he adopted the five year old boy.

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But it wasn't until he was forty
that Aloa Schicklgruber legally changed its surname

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to Hidler, and it was rumored
that Aloua's father had been the son of

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a Jewish family for whom his mother, Maria, had worked as a housekeeper.

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After spending a career as a custom
officer, by eighteen ninety six,

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was retired to a small farm in
half Her, Austria, where he kept

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livestock and bees while his wife,
Hitler's mother Clara, tended her vegetable garden.

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This garden would be the source of
Hitler's first significant confession to me.

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I was seven and my mother was
alone in her vegetable garden when she discovered

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that my father's ducks had ripped up
her garden pea plants, and she threatened

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to wring their necks in her distress. She did not know I had overheard

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her, as I was coming from
the house and going off to the village,

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and you did something about this.
In the village, I was accosted

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by some bigger boys who bullied me
and insulted my father and my mother.

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I ran back home in a rage
and killed all my father's ducks. And

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how did your parents react? I
did it to please my mother, but

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my father didn't see it that day
and I received a severe beating. Now,

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how did you feel about that?
Betrayed better? I got used to

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them. Corporal Hitler remained under my
care at the village for the next few

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weeks. We had established our patient
therapist bomb but he remained frustrated at his

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medical incarceration. He was still there
when Kaiser Wilhelm abdicated and Germany's surrender and

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the armistice was signed in November nineteen
eighteen. Admissed the general celebration and relief

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being expressed by all the other patients
and staff. Corporal Hitler remained aloof becoming

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more and more angered and hysterical,
and after the war he returned to Munich,

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but remained in the army and was
appointed as an intelligence agent to infiltrate

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the German workers Party there. His
nationalist views and oratorical skills led him to

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becoming a member of the party,
and by nineteen twenty four he was the

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leader of the National Socialist German Workers'
Party known as the Nazi Party. Though

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I lost track of him as a
patient, his name appeared often in the

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newspapers as his political activities advanced,
and I maintained a close interest in him.

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Then I happened to be spending an
eight in Munich on my way to

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Vianna to visit my old mentor.
Passing around a beer hall, I heard

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this unmistakable voice. A meeting was
being addressed by my one time patient,

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and I decided to go in.
I never not a backer, I perfectly

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can vouch forever changed, said the
back. I do not recall seeing you

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here before? Good morning? Are
you a party member? Well, no,

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no, I'm just passing through me
and to come away to Vienna.

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I'm known Adol for some years and
I just wanted to come and see him

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again in actual so to speak.
What he remember you? I'm sure he

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will, who hasn't seen me since
he was in Bellaire. In that case,

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I can arrange it. After the
meetings. Stay here. You must

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consider joining the party. You know, if we need men like you,

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I'm sure you understand. I want
a brute, just basic security. You

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understand, m zaghaire mine fila.
Who is this? He says, You

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and he are old friends from Poulin. Ah, I see it now,

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the good doctor. My mind is
too preoccupied, Colm Doronic, How are

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you sit down? Oh? Well, thank you. I'm sure you're very

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busy these days. Indeed, I
am here. I want you to take

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that and study it. My book, Oh mind comps I struggle, But

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he's not a victim. I wrote
it while in prison. Can you believe

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it? They put me in prison
for disturbing the peace. They called it

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treason. I told them I was
standing up for German workers' rights, and

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they led me out once they realized
how mistaken they were. We heard about

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it in Berlin. In Berlin,
yes, So what brings you to Munich?

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Apart from seeing me? Of course, I'm on my way to the

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add to visit my old mentor,
Professor Freud. The glow went out in

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his eyes, Sigmund Freud, charlottean
and some people think so well, I'm

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not one of them. You shouldn't
associate with someone like him. They are

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better German experts on the mind.
You're German, why not learn from them.

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I'm Swedish and I came to this
country by way of Professor Bernheim's invitation

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and to work under him. No, no, I had, doctor Drummer.

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You are mistaken. You came to
this country because it was your destiny

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to recognize Germany as the greatest,
the strongest of all nations. You came

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from Swee, but your father was
German. I noticed only a German father

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could have endowed you with the distinct
features blue eyes, blonde hair, strong

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physique that our destiny's emblem. I'm
sorry to disappoint you, but my father

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is also Swedish. He grinned,
but it was a grin that left a

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cold pit of dread in my stomach. Thank you for the visit, doctor,

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Remember what I told you, A
man like you should join the party.

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It will stand you in good stead. Mind how you go Nowadays,

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Munich can be our of city,
especially at night. In my deal with

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Hitler, I found him to always
have a simmering fanitism, mostly about himself,

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lurking beneath the surface. Slight though
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the man shouting at an audience was
his true form, whilst the man who

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smiled at me was another mask,
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Well, I didn't know what to
make of it. The following day,

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I traveled to Vianna and visited my
old professor. He gave me a

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concert ticket that he was unable to
use. I didn't realize how much that

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gift was to change my life,
as I told Hitler, which I remember

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with a feeling of violation. Since
boyhood I had a trouble relating to girls,

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and perhaps even more so to women
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border cissage from the flower cellar outside
the concert hall, and I took it

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to the violinist who had thrilled me
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Ms Man Leafen. Yes, would
you please accept this small token for the

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joy you have given me this evening? How kind? Thank you? Won't

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you put it for me just here? I'm not sure I can do that?

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Oh please do It's very easy,
but I'm hindered carrying this all right,

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like like this perfect thank you?
You're welcome. Oh what a ways

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to go back to the hotel now
and just take it off. Would you

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like to go for a cup of
coffee? I prefer chocolate at night.

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I know just the place, Cafe
florid Huber. I know weanna well.

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From a student's viewpoint, I was
here as a medical student. You're a

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doctor, yes, yes, Well, I'm sorry I should have introduced myself.

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I'm all of drummer. You can
call me Dey. Beethoven and most

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I both played at this cafe,
so you'll be among good spirits. You

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said you very here as a student. Does that mean you are not here

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now? I live and work in
Berlin. I'm here visiting my old tutor

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and professor. Then did you stop
being a student here in nineteen sixteen,

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nine years? That means you must
be thirty two, much too old for

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me. I can't tell if you're
joking or not. Are you married?

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No? I seem to be too
busy to get into relationships other than I

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analyzing my patience. You always go
to concert alone, I suppose so,

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yes, music should be enjoyed in
the company. Well, I'm usually surrounded

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by an appreciative volumece of strangers.
Come see me again. I'm not a

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stranger anymore. We started writing letters
to each other. Dear all of thank

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you for your last letter, so
full of news and Berlin memories. My

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good news is I applied to join
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So I shall be back with my
parents in Berlin, and that means

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we shall be able to see each
other again. Tilney. As happy as

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I was that Tildor was coming to
Berlin, I felt equally as concerned about

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the state of the country. Having
read mine counted the book he had given

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me Munich, I realized what Hitler
was spousing. Then in nineteen thirty three,

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the political, ambitious corporal became Chancellor
and returned to Berlin. The following

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year, nineteen thirty four, his
storm troopers purged the Nazi Party during the

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Night of the Long Knife, muttering
all opposing elements in the party, and

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following President Hinnibur's death in August,
Hitler declared himself Fewer Germany's supreme leader,

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and one day later the same year, I was summoned to Bernheim's office.

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He explained that, having been called
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the previous year, he had been
treating the Fewer recurring bouts of depression

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with heavy medication, and he went
on to say that Hitler had demanded he

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sent young drum Irk to see him, so he remembered me, and to

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my horror, he trusted me.
Bernheim furnished me with a strong injectable medication,

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of which he assured me Hitler was
in need of. In Bernheim's opinion,

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Hitler held progress from a neurotic state
to that of a psychotic and was

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far beyond the reach of my psychotherapy
method. You're not my doctor. I

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was told you requested me specifically.
Whoever told you that was mistaken. You

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shouldn't be here, Adolf. I
am here. We may as well talk,

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right. You should address me as
your europe Why did you ask me

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for a meeting today? I told
you, is there a reason someone might

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have thought you required my assistance?
It must have been explained to you it

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was, and I want to hear
you say you want who helped me as

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your doctor to hear the reason why
in your own words. There are times

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I wish to die. I look
at my gun and I mentioned firing it

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into my brain. No one would
ever believe a suicide if it'd be presumed

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my enemies had assassinated me, the
people would rise up carry on my work

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in my name. Have you picked
up the gun when you think these thoughts?

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No, Well then they just thoughts. I hold this entire nation,

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It's future within me, the burden
and the liars and the traitors surrounding me.

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Which liars and traders? Everyone?
I read them, and they sprout

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again. Well, how do you
know they are liars and traders? I

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can sense it. So how do
you know that I'm not a liar or

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a trader? You're Swedish. You
admit it only by your own definition,

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but deep down you are of good
German Aryan stock. Be not mistaken as

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the Jews are mistaken in claiming that
Christ was Jewish. He was born with

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a Teutonic warrior serving in that area
of the world. I notice I tell

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you this as your supreme leader the
fure, you shall study your fiero's mind

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and learn on this. I do
insist years ago, if you were the

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recipient of some of my innermost thoughts
and experiences, you were analyzing me,

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and you shall do so again.
For now, give me Bernheim's injection and

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leave hi. Hitler, good day, health doctor. So you have just

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come from attendings of fiora officer crunch
we meet again, or burst of Fior

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crumbs. You're in a privileged association
with Fior doctor that makes you a most

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honorable citizen. By becoming a member
of our party, you will be doing

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consider our both service. Won't you
join us? Value still have a chance.

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Some days later, Bernheim informed me
that I had made quite an impression

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on the fewer and that he insisted
on seeing me for some further therapy session.

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Bernheim added that, in his opinion, that would be total waste of

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time, but the fuwer was insistent. I had no wish to interfere with

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this treatment program. But the professor
replied, it's not wise to confront this

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man with a refusal, and besides
that, he had no one else to

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recommend. If you leave your bishops
there, olof my dear, I'll have

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you checkmate in two moves. Oh
what? Oh yeah, yea, I'm

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sorry. Let me move in here. That's better. You seem distracted tonight,

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my darling. Is everything all right? Yes, yes, it's just

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that I've been assigned a patient that
I rather not have to deal with the

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caton someone I would know right now, I really can say. As I

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entered the huge office of the Fuer, I was even more reluctant to continue

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my psychoanalysis or the monster Hitler had
become since the days of the lowly corporal

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I've seen at the Belitz Hospital back
in nineteen eighteen, some sixteen years ago.

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I appreciate you're asking me for further
therapy session, mind Furer, but

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I don't believe we can go any
further now. Why not my skills?

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My skill is beneath you. I
don't deserve this honor we started at the

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bailis yes, and we shall now
go forward together. Have you come to

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believe in fate? Doctor? Perhaps
I have. I think you should do

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You truly won't help you tell me
the truth? No one else around me

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does. As long as I live
and breathe, we shall be yoked together.

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You now have a therapy practice of
a single client, Doctor Juma.

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The Hitler File is a production of
Voyage Media. The series is produced by

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nat Mondel, Robert Midas and Dan
Bennomore, directed and produced by Dan Bennomore,

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written by Desmond Fosbery, based on
the novel The Drameric File by Brandon

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Rolfe, starring Peter Stormare as doctor
Drmieric and Denis O'Hare as Adolf Hitler.

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