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I'm hit at the Bowl, bad
of the Bowl, bad the Bowl.

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Several weeks ago I spoke to Sergeant
Dan Hills of CPD about doing an exit

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interview. We kind of agreed to
do it today because you only have about

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four hours remaining and then you'll hand
over power and a secret ceremony in the

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basement of Lodge sixty nine on on
Central Parkway. Sergeant Dan, welcome.

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I think for the first time in
the studio. Am I right or wrong?

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I think I think we did this
once before, but it was several

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years ago. All right, let's
talk about it. Why it's time come,

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you're leaving. I give the American
people the reason that Dan Hills is

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leaving CPD and the union. Well, well, I love CPD because I

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came to the end of my might
drop. That's one of those acronyms over

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things, an acronym nowadays for retirement
option plan. You can only do eight

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years. I finished that in May
of twenty two last year, so I

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left the department. So I'm the
first person to serve in the presidency as

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a retired person for any amount of
time. It doesn't pay so much to

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service in your retirement. But I
agree to finish out a term, and

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that term ends in December. But
I've been the president now for eight years,

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as the longest you can be a
US president, so that should probably

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be the longest be the FOP president
too. Who's gonna take over and seize

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power at six or seven o'clock tonight, Well, there's two people running,

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and that would be Sergeant Dion Mack
and Offsher ken Kober. And you know,

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I'm not just voting going on.
There's voting going on as we speak.

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There is voting going on, and
I'm not gonna make any predictions or

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I have no how many people vote. There's about a thousand cops is it

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all? About nine hundred policemen?
But the retired retired folks can vote to

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I think in the last election somewhere
in neighborhood seven or eight hundred total people.

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A good turnout, then yeah,
yes, sir, whoever does it

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wins. I mean you can say
this is legitimate and actually someone's watching the

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ballots. There's no drop boxes anywhere, are there are their IDs required or

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something? Well, there's there's paper
ballots. And in this case, you

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know, we're not we're not talking
about something as as large as the United

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States of America or organization. We
still recognize most people. So if you

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walked up and wanted to vote and
then an your name Willie, I'd say,

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that's that guy's not a cop,
right, Yeah, well, I

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mean if you were a cop,
will if I was, if you were

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a cop, I'd say, you
know, sign your name right there and

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then then they you know, they
do checks and make sure nobody voted twice

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or anything. That happens all the
time. Though you know a lot of

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the Democrats want to vote like three
times. Yeah, that's that's exactly right.

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And maybe sometimes we have some deceased
cops that vote, but that they're

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still voting. Let's go back in
time to the last year or the first

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term of Ronald Reagan. There was
a little guy coming out of Elder High

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School named Dan and uh, Elder
High School. You applied for Deer Park,

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didn't didn't pass the exam. You
had to go to a preparatory school

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known as Elder and then you come
out of Elder, Yes, sir,

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And what happened to Dan Hills at
that point? Well, Willie, at

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the time, I wanted to be
a park ranger. I wanted to be

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a forest ranger. Forest ranger Dan, and I said, well, I

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got to get myself some college and
I gotta get myself some law enforcement experience.

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So I figure I could get some
college money and some law enforcement in

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experience by joining the United States Army. What a novel concept, asked,

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see service to the nation. I
joined the United States Army in nineteen eighty

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four, went to basic training and
MP training all in one is all in

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one place. You did eight weeks
basic training, then you did eight weeks

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at MP training in a place called
Fort mccullan, Alabama. Probably illegal right

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now. They've probably have changed the
name at this point. They closed For

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mccullan, Alabama because it's a chemical
wasteland. I ate and drank the dirt

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of Fort McClellan, Alabama about millions
of dollars. I see these ads all

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the time. It's a well,
that's the one, that's the Marine Corps

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one. Apparently Fort McCellan's worst.
That just uh, Congress hasn't passed the

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act that the boy. I wonder
what happened to this face? You know

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what how could look this bad?
It was it was Fort mccullan, Alabama

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that it did, so you went
an attractive came out. You look like

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George Clooney. No, not so
good, not so good. And then

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then from there I went to deutsch
Land. I I served in what was

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then West Germany. Uh. I
was in a beautiful little town called a

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Schoffenberg, West Germany. Just like
Elvis you went to uh woman there no,

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no, no, and and I
could not sing either. I wasn't

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wasn't good at singing. So I
just I patrolled the streets. We patrolled

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them in Volkswagen vands. You know, little green Volkswagen vands. You're in

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a small town in Germany. This
kid from elder Yeah, Volkswagen and Volkswagen

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vans wearing a little MP helmet line. What are we going to do?

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Well? What we We patrolled the
streets. We could pull over American play

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the vehicles if we saw them,
if they looked to be acting up.

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But but you know, mostly we
did family tru just like policemen here do.

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We did bar fights, theft reports, maybe a fight in a barracks,

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something like that. We did things
like that Gomer pile Stone. You

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know what the German police called us, willy, No, they called us

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the kinder pullet's eye. You know
what that means? No, the kiddy

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police. Yeah, because guys,
we didn't not going to call us any

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problem. We didn't have a clue
of a clue. And I realize that

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now, being a veteran of many
years of a big city police department,

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it's it's it's a wonder that more
tragedy than happened by giving a bunch of

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eighteen nineteen year old kids forty five
cowber colt go out there and maintain order.

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Yeah, I got there, maintain
order in the law. So we

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went out there and kind of winged
it, you know. We we we'd

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have a starget working with us on
every ship that had some seasoning, but

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mostly we were a bunch of ding
dong kswighty seven rolls around. You come

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out of the military, sure,
and you're thinking, what am I going

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to do with my life? Well, you know, I I gave up

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the forest ranger. Bid. I
had a friend of mine that was in

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college up at Hockey Technical and he
was saying, there, they're just isn't

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a job is four stranger business right
now? And uh? And I was

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falling more and more in love with
police work. And I thought you know

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what I'm gonna I'm gonna come out. I'm gonna go to school for colineal

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justice. I started it over at
Nkure doing so good at the school thing,

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but segment segment is it's not good, it's just got g I got

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it. I got it. I
got an elder degree, so I got

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the same thing god elder degree.
And so anyway, uh I I applied

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for CPD and then the very first
go around, I uh, I think

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five thousand people took to imagine that
five thousand now now we can't get five

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hundred, but five thousand took the
test, and really somehow I came in

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like twelve, and I was really
so you're smarter than people think. I

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I think I got really lucky.
I I just exam. I closed my

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eyes and I see I'm picking seas
right. So you got in? Did

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you get into the first get go
the very first kicks five thousand. I

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came in twelve. Now I will
say this, I got military points.

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You do get military points. So
that helped. That probably brought me up.

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You know, maybe how many didn't
how many in the class of five

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thousand came down to how big?
Maybe our class was thirty something. Uh

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yeah, hard for me to recall
back then. So four and seventy got

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shown the door, will he But
yeah, no, the elite of the

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elite. I got to wear.
I got to wear the badge. I

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got to be trained up as a
as a since police officer. And uh

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after several months of training, I
was assigned to District four. And my

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coach, I'll give a shot out
to my coach. He's still living,

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doing well. John Morgan, John
Morgan trained me up. He was a

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lawyer, Morgan and Morgan. Maybe
not maybe not maybe not this John Morgan,

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but we ran, uh, we
ran Carthage and heartwell part of District

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four. Respect for law enforcement,
how would you describe the conditions of the

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community toward CPD like in the nineteen
nineties. Well, I started eighty seven,

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uh like, like I said,
and then into the nineties there was

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there was general respect for law enforcement
back then. You know, judges would

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send people to jail, am arrested
somebody didn't they ended up in front of

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Harry mceawain. That's a different issue. They were in trouble. Yeah,

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they were in trouble. Not good, yeah, but yeah, the judges

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backed us. You know, they
they took not everything was on videos,

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so you actually your your your word
meant something and uh. I remember scoring

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points with both prosecutor and defense attorney
when I came in once on a ticket

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and they said, you know,
is this the person's driving the car?

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And I said, I don't remember. Instead, you told the truth,

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I told the truth. I said
I don't remember. Right there, I

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said I don't remember, and they
dismissed it, and they both thanked me

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a lot, and I thought,
maybe I can, maybe I can get

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somewhere by being justice done. Well, I believe justice was done because you

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know, it's it's it's more important
that the system be upright and honest than

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it is to anyone actual conviction.
The last thirty years, I have a

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sense about half the judges and Hamleeny
County take criminal violations seriously, about half

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do not. Have you noticed a
fundamental change in the Hemony County Courthouse?

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Yeah, I would say, in
general, on society across the board,

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and you can quote me on this, I think we've gone cuckoo for cocoa

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puffs. You know, we have
to have law and order to be able

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to have a functional society. And
right now something you talk about off of

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Willie, with people flooding across the
border, with the big cities electing judges

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that give no bad give no sentences. I mean, I really do kind

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of marvel that things haven't unraveled.
Even more, I think something bad's going

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to happen. I think something really
bad that's happen. Yes, sir,

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we can't continue as far as the
mayors that you've worked under. My memory

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fails me a little bit. Past
Chas Lucan. You had Rock sand Qualls

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and Bobby Stern, and you had
Tom Lucan and Charlie Lucan. He had

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had them, and then you had
Cranleigh and then uh Mark Mallory for a

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long time, and uh now you
have to have Purival on his way to

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the big show, which is a
stomp stopping off point point for him.

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Which one or two marriage that you
enjoy working with? And do you have

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the guts to tell me one or
two marriage you didn't enjoy working with Willie?

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I'll be honest. You know,
as a as a Cincinnati police officer,

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especially a guy on third shift out
in District four, District five,

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District three places I worked, you
really don't give a hoot about the politicians.

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You care more about your sergeant,
and you care about uh, you

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care about who's sitting down at eight
and one Plump Street. Uh. But

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that completely changed when I, uh, when I became the FOP president,

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I found myself having to deal with
the people down there at City Hall.

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And I could tell you that I
had a really good relationship with John Cranley.

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I found him sincerely caring about he's
got no chance in the Democrat Party.

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No, no, no, he
would be no chance. Yeah.

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No, he's he's like he's like
a moderate and he's a moderate, yeah

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right now he's he's a mega member
almost yeah. And then you know,

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so I really only had Cranley and
an AFT tab and you know, Collery

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kind kind of kind of luke warm. And since now, since twenty fifteen,

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I think pretty much I had Cranley
right away and then then then a

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F tab and I'm kind of lukewarm
on the AFT taber. But we don't

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know yet because he's he looks like
a great mayor. He physically looks present,

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he's a handsome guy, good time
you do anything. But you know

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it's you know, he looks good
he looks like the mayor. He's on

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his way to Washington to do something. Anyway, this is a stopping off

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point for him. I believe that
we would have been the two or three

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low points. High points are different, difficult because hopefully, but what are

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the low points of my career in
general? Yeah, well, obviously when

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we lost when we lost people.
I was one of the first officers that

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responded the night that Dan Pope Ron
Jeter were killed. I was actually I

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was actually working the scene of the
suicide of their killer. And we didn't

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know at the time that Dan and
Ron were like a half mile away from

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us dead or dying, and uh, we were working that scene. And

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uh then when somebody finally was able
to put a couple of the puzzle pieces

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together and responded over on Hollister and
got on the radio, you know,

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it was it was just it was
a total almost panic feeling situation. We

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had two officers down and and dead
and we are dying in case of Ron

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Jeter, and we had really no
idea at the time that they were that

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it was connected to the suicide of
a police officer was chasing somebody that thought

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was just breaking into cars and he
killed himself and that was the that was

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the no good thug that took the
lives of Dan. What about Sonny Kim?

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Sunny Kim is another one. I
was off the night that Kevin Crayon

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was killed, or I would have
been really close to that because I was

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working out of Parking Canine in the
Mount Areas time. I was off that

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night. But Sonny Kim. I
knew Sonny a little bit, but one

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of my very best friends was like
Sonny's very best friend. There was this

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connection. There was another policeman,
of course, and I was the sergeant

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in charge of District three that day
and there was another sergeant work and so

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when I heard what was happening,
I told the sergeant that he was in

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charge and I was going to head
that way. And I think a command

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officer saw on the computer screen that
I was headed to District two, and

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they they diverted me and had me
go to the hospital to kind of hold

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things down at the hospital. So
I was there when Sonny arrived in the

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ambulance, and uh, just witnessing
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trauma bay and watched them make attempts
to save Sonny's life. And you know,

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policemen aren't as tough as they all
pretend to be, because I can

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tell you what my knees were.
My knees were getting wobbly and I had

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to step out as as they work, so you know, so hard and

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uh, you know, doing what
they could for son, but it was

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it was too late. Sunny was
gone. Something you said a few months

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ago to me, and that is
I asked you, Dan Hills, if

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you had an appropriate age son or
daughter, would you say you gotta sit

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for the test and you got to
become a cop in Cincinnati, I could

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see a sheriff's deputy or maybe a
Indian hill ranger or Madeira cop or maybe

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Delhi township. Yep, And you
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Oh very much? So, I
mean I take great pride in you know,

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since sat police officer, and I
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I have a son that's of the
agent. He could do that.

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I'd never try to stop him.
It's just not it wouldn't be what I

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would advising would be the best.
I I sometimes draw a little bit of

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parallel the war on crime and the
war on drugs. All these things we

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did over the years a little bit
to you know, Vietnam. It's it's

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a war that we're not really in
for. It's one that when something goes

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wrong, everybody throws up their hands
and says, you know me, no,

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I mean we didn't we didn't want
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you know, uh, the city
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administrators in the police department and stuff, they're they're they're they're a little uh

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happy on the toss somebody under the
bus trigger. For me, that's the

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CCA and Irish Roley in that crowd
wants to find something wrong. They just

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flat out hey, cops, the
CCA and Irish Roly. And that's part

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of the problem too. You know, you have I have anti police activists

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that have actually being paid by taxpayer
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say in the police department. And
when people are you know, in police

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administration are acting like that's okay,
and this is just part of what we,

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you know, we have to do. Like, I don't think I

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could be a top administrator in Tayson's
a police apartment. They're told me that

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I sit down and take advice ife
Irish Roley, I'd be like, you're

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gonna have to get somebody else.
I'm watching this morning. I think it

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was NBC Today's show head a George
Gastone who's the Loberal prosecutor in Los Angeles.

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His top assistant has a T shirt
that says, quote, cops are

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killing us. So this is the
top district attorney in charge of felony trials

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just below like Melissa Powers. This
would be I don't know, the top

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person and her T shirt at work
is cops are killing us and she's a

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prosecutor. Yeah, well you know, and what's irish, Rollie, Well,

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we know what we know is the
very opposite would is the case if

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the police like picked up steaks,
packed up their tents and left the inner

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cities of America, the killing would
be you know, triple tripled, quadrupled.

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It would be it'd be very,
very sad. I think we'd be

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like a third world country. We're
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it'd be like a third world country, darn near overnight and so as much

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as it's sometimes and this is why
I tell the cops is that you know,

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sometimes when you think you're not accomplishing
anything. You know, when everybody

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wakes up and they can still drive
to work and it still can get around,

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go out for an evening and everything
else. You're accomplishing that because if

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you weren't here, nobody could do
those things. Ten years from now,

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on the course we're on, it'll
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It'll be Detroit. And because the
quality of person doesn't want to become begin

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as a cop, and the oversight
is not oversight, it's apostleizing as to

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what's wrong with police. Cops are
killing us. That's the attitude. We're

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going to find you guys wrong about
something and make your life miserable. And

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that's what the CCA does of civilian
oversight that has an attitude. Well up

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against the clock. I guess our
paths will cross again. But it's been

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a pleasure the last eight years,
Willie. I want to thank you.

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I want to thank you for allowing
me on the show and for me to

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speak on behalf of my coppers,
and it's been a pleasure working with you.

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We'll see what happens in the future, yes, sir, we'll see.

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Introduce me to the new guy,
whoever it is. I will do

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that. Will and see if he's
got the guts to come on, I'll

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see if he's got the guts to
twenty seven. Thank you, Dan Sure

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