Hello, Clipper fans, Welcome into Clips and Did We Are podcast that I
am William up take one third of the hosting trio here at Clips nith in
case even no coming at you. On this fine off season day, We're
gonna be talking about the clippers biggest needs coming into this season, as well
as how we can upgrade at the four spot for a team once called Wings
Wingstop. There's a shortage of playoff playable Wings, so we're gonna have to
talk about that. We also getting into some other random stuff. We'll talk
about Paul, George and Kat's interaction, all sorts of cool stuff. Anyways,
you get the idea the show's gonna be great. That's all you need
to know. I've said enough for myself. Charles Adam, co host of
this pod. How's it going? Follows Adam, I'll kick it to you.
He had some camera troubles earlier. We're just looking looking up as nostrils.
Yeah, I appreciate you guys putting up with me and having to see
things only my doctor has. But uh, we should have a good show.
I'm excited for this one. It's good to see Will's back from Boston,
so it's gonna be I don't know, a lot of Boston fans look
like both of us. To be fair, I'm doing good. I'm yeah.
I was spent the weekend in Palm Springs and decided to try and figure
out what the Clippers could do at the four position. We're gonna get into
what I found, which is not much. But no, I'm doing well.
Um, just made a homemade burger inspired by the terrible burger that Gordon
Ramsey made on Tiktoku. That Will showed me that people were losing their minds
over but he made a well done burger. I made a medium rare burger.
But people are losing their minds about this burger. And like, let
me tell you. The respect for Gordon Ramsey of course, but like people
are like, oh, he was out of his mind on this one.
It's literally a well done thick burger. Like it's it's the worst kind of
burger. But anyway, that's enough about that topping. Let's get into what
the Clippers need, which is not a well done thick burger, although they
need some thick boys, which we'll be talking about later. But right now
I think where I think we're in a conversation starts and possibly ends is what
are the Clippers going to do at the point position, what are you guys
thinking? Is Russ coming back? Is that a done deal? Or what
are we doing? I have no idea. The Russell Westbrook thing is a
really interesting question. I've educated myself to the point that I need to be
on the CBA uh for the Clippers and what they can do for Russ.
They can offer him, I mean basically, they can offer him a brand
new Hunday from his own dealership, uh, and then a contract that is
one hundred and twenty percent of the men and that's it. Like we might
be able to get an exception if we, like Wave Gordon, get plumbing
out of there, maybe dump some other contracts or like wave some young guys.
But that's like all kind of a maybe. So right now as it
stands, we can offer him like eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars to come
play for the Clippers next year and then kind of do uh, but we'll
give you like twelve million dollars the year after. So we're kind of tethering
ourselves to Russ for two years. The vet, Yeah, the vet is
in the it's sub four, but it's between two point seven and eight,
so yeah, we can. It's a little bit different than a men minimum
because his year is a service. There is men and there's men men.
Well yeah, that's what ten years of service. It's a different man.
Just yeah. So it's like I'm not bottom monks. So it's like four
million that we can offer him, which I think we all maybe agree he'll
probably get from somewhere else, but then kind of do like it. But
if you come back next year, we can take care of you with like
twelve million or so. So I don't know, like, Adam, do
you think we can convince Russell Westbrook to come back for four million dollars when
he probably has other offers on the table that are more than that. It
depends on how much he values his quality of life and if he would enjoyed
me, then it is great. Dude. He's an LA guy, So
Adam, I will it helps him my stiff knees, I mean, but
toom basically got the deal you're talking about where they gave him a minimum that
was a little bit adjusted because of his years of service, so it was
a little bit higher than that, and then the promise of something better to
come where I think he's making around eleven million now because they ended up with
this bird rights and they could pay him that much. I'm guessing that situation.
I'm also not Bobby Marks, not even Gordon Ramsey. I like the
idea of bringing back Russell Westbrook for the right price, but obviously he can
make a lot more than three point eight million, or even the six million,
should they get under that second apron and be able to give him the
taxpayer mid level exception, which is what they gave John Wall this season.
It's around six million dollars and look Russ if he wants to get his money,
and there was some talk of that earlier in the season, but maybe
that was due to the fact that he had a terrible experience with the Los
Angeles Lakers and his mind and his heart have changed. Considering how much he
was embraced by Clipper Nation, by the team in that locker room, coach
lew said he saved the season. In the exit interview or the postgame interview
after a game five, what do you say your head for? I just
I don't know how. I don't know how you can No, I'm chaking
my head at the fact that he saved a season in which we played these
second fewest games you could possibly play in a first round series. But sorry,
yeah, I understand I killed the season. For those of you watching
on YouTube or not watching on YouTube, Will gives us fun names and I
apparently killed the season. So that's on me. That's on me. And
yeah, I'm thinking Russ for the right price, but I don't know.
It just depends on how much he enjoyed being a Clipper, because he could
probably get fifteen million per year. He could probably get even though he's gonna
be turning thirty five by the time next season that starts. Uh. You
know, he has been extremely durable throughout his career. At some point,
though, you do worry about the age factor. This is someone earlier on
he had I think a torn meniscus. I don't know if it's similar to
what Kauhi is dealing with now, but in that incident with Patrick going after
the basketball playing hard back when he was with the Rockets, so you wonder
how his game is going to age now. Did he make some adjustments as
a Clipper, definitely, and he made some sacrifices. But I will say
this if he's sacrificing his contract and only getting six million or four million,
three point eight million, I don't know how much you're going to be able
to ask of Russ when it comes to sacrificing on the court when he's already
taking that much less. And that is a little bit of a concern.
If you're going to bring back Russell Westbrook and he has to be the starter
because that's part of the deal, when you're only paying him three point eight
million, then that idea of having him gracefully age coming off the bench with
the second unit and running the show with those guys, which I think would
be the most ideal spot for him. He's very good when he's the focal
point on offense, but there is I think a ceiling or a cap to
how good your team can be with Russ as the main guy. I think
that's been proven for a long time now, and again he's turning thirty five.
But look, i'd like to see Russell Westbrook back under the right circumstances.
I don't know if it's going to line up that way. It would
be nice to see more of rus in a Clippers uniform because we got a
glimpse of that, but again, just ten games with him, Kauai and
Paul George, and overall the net rating wasn't great with those three on the
court. So and shockingly, they were really bad offensively and really good defensively.
So it's kind of odd. Can that be fixed? Is there some
regression and progression to the met in those different areas, because you would think
conventional thinking would say they'd be good offensively but maybe not just good defensively,
but it wasn't like that. So we'll see. I'm interested and seeing just
how much year. Does the two year thing kind of give you a little
bit of pause because I feel like to convent like he wants to do so,
so like for me, I'm like, next season, sure, But
then if we're tethered again, it's like then it becomes if fans were tired
of a team, you know, doing the same thing over and over and
it didn't work, there would be I think I could see the frustration coming
the year following. I think it depends on attitude and roll. And it
was very good in his short stint this time around with the Clippers, or
his only time around with the Clippers, but moving forward in the future,
I think a lot of us would like to see Bones Highland get more run
out there and to just limit the glut of guys they have. One thing
we've learned from this past season is you can have too much depth. You
actually can. It's possible. Lawrence Frank even spoke to that after the season.
So there are big decisions to be made. The point guard position obviously,
has been talked about with this team for a long time. It would
be nice to have more stability there, but I don't think we're getting that
currently. If that means Russell Westbrook is back, I think most fans would
would enjoy seeing that, but I think it just has to be with the
right template for how he's going to be used, in the right price and
all that. So it's it's it's a lot, but we'll see not Bobby
Marks, what are you thinking? I mean, you know it comes down
to two roles for players, right, it's playing role and paying role,
and players will be flexible on one, not both, right, And the
pay part isn't something the Clippers can really offer, So the play part is
very hard to sell. Is one hundred percent where you have to sell them
on and you brought up a little bit of Russ's injury history, and yes,
he is getting up there in age, I will say, to his
benefit though, really pretty clean bill of health as far as major injuries go,
and compared to other players on the Clippers roster certainly has proved to be
a little bit more durable even with those increased years. So here's the thing
about Russ that I kind of came around too. I actually really like some
of the energy that he was able to expend on the defensive end. I
think that's one of those things. If that can continue over a season,
that to me makes it a little bit more interesting the argument for him to
be a starting caliber guy with this roster. Offensively, I think it's only
going downhill. And that's not a slight on rust. It's just the athleticism
is starting dip a little bit. We've seen him be out of control at
times, and I think as guys age, that becomes a thing, right
like, they might even still be able to hit that burst, but it's
not with the same control. It's not you know, they don't have the
same balance, they don't have the same strength to be able to like fully
harness that into something that is ultimately productive more often than not. So I
think then it just becomes a question of if you can sell him on this
role. Right let's assume he's in the starting role, then you have some
really big questions to ask about. Okay, So who are you pairing him
within the backcourt? Because with what we have at the four, and I'm
not going to get into that too much right now because we're gonna get into
it later, Kauhi can't or sorry, Paul George cannot be the two in
that scenario. Right Like the way I look at our roster right now,
maybe we have a regular season, like season innings eater at the four,
but back in the day, yeah, I don't know if we have the
guy right now. Um, if you keep you know, Paul George and
Kawhie at the two in the three, I don't know if we have that
four on the roster right now that's ready to take this team to a top
four finish and a deep playoff run. So looking at who you can pair
in that backcourt, I think it's really interesting. M Eric Gordon, you
know sort of the vet I think you know, we were all perfectly whelmed
to underwhelmed with what we've seen from him so far this season. He's also
coming back a year older, uh you know up there and age kind of
player. Um. Terrence Mann, I think is the obvious fit. And
I think if this is the pathway, if if adding Russ or keeping Russ
to this roster, even if it's on some sort of backdoor handshake two year
kind of deal, if this is the path to giving Terrence Man in the
starting starting lineup, I think I'm with it. Like, I think I'm
pretty supportive of it, because I think that ultimately, even if we find
out it doesn't work right, Like, let's say we get fifteen games in
the season, Terrence is terrible, He's asked we figure something else out,
right, Like if he's the guy, if it's determined and like it's terrible,
fall right, if you want screenshot this, hold me to it later.
If Terence is in this starting lineup and it's determined after a reasonable segment
of games, maybe even say longer than before the Alster break, I don't
know. I'm just saying just throwing it out there. If he is the
thing that is holding this starting unit back or this team back, go ahead
and call me out, Like I think that's fine, But I think ultimately,
if bringing back Russ is the is, you know, the best that
we can do at the point position, I think if we can optimize around
that, I'm still I'm still sleeping fine with that decision. And this is
actually not something that I would have saw myself saying coming into this trade.
So yeah, I suppose for that were changing your mind because I think,
like we discussed kind of the Encourt stuff, the off court stuff, the
way that this team talked about Russ. It felt like this was the guy
who somehow snapped it into everyone's heads of like, let's try as hard as
Russ tries every night, Like it would have been nice to have that mentality
maybe before Russ got to the team, not maybe fantastic, this is how
it's how players talked about John Wall and the locker room. That's a really
good call, um, But Adam doesn't like that one. But Russ,
like for better or for worse, Russ made this team like believe in themselves
more, which is a flaw kind of in and of itself, because I
personally thought the team was good enough as it was to maybe win a championship
fully healthy. But he brings something that apparently like the players, and by
the players, I mean, you know, guys like Paul George and Kauai
and the major guys tap into to get to this gear of like, oh
wow, he's really caring a lot. Let's follow suit. And that's that
is really important for the Clippers. I would love it if we could get
him back on a one year thing and then like maybe give him the second
year, but I don't think he wants that. So it feels really important
for this culture in terms of the regular season to bring Russ back for this
team. I'm not saying that's good. I'm not saying it's bad, but
it kind of feels like it might be their number one priority right now to
keep everyone engaged and feeling maybe an olive branch too between FO and the coach,
like it's it's not messy, but it's dance. I guess I like
what you're saying about having that emotional leader out there, because obviously Kawai and
Paul George that's just not and they had it with Patrick Beverley, but it
is has been noticeably missing since he left the team, and I do think
there's something to having a guy who goes out there and plays that hard that
can inspire guys around him, inspire the players around him, and they need
that on this team. During the eighty two games, where like Lawrence Frank
came out afterwards and he didn't sugarcoat how bad the regular season was and talked
about how the playoff performance can't cover up how poor the regular season was.
They won forty four games, two more games than they did all of last
year, missing Kawhi Leonard all of last year, and I think a lot
of that was just because guys weren't getting up for each and every game,
and it's hard to do for at two games, but it's easier when you
see a teammate giving it his all, making it into almost a playoff like
environment. That's something Patrick Beverlely I think did for this team a lot.
And so Will's point. I love what he was saying about the defense that
it may really come down to, can you get Russ playing that level of
defense night in night out during the regular season that really changes that's rejectory for
this team and the standings. I think because he was much better in the
playoffs defensively and swiping it. Kevin Durant, getting blocks, getting steals,
and not having nearly as many lapses as he has over the years. In
the regular season. It's there. But when we talk about Russ giving that
all out effort, I think a lot of it sometimes is just seen as,
oh, look how hard he drives to the rim, Look how hard
he explodes to the rim or goes for a rebound. But it needs to
also be him digging in defensively and giving that effort consistently on that end.
That would change things for me with thinking about Russ and how he can age
as a player, because Will's right offensively, with him creating for himself,
it's going to age, you know, not I don't want to say poor,
but speed. You slow down at some point and it's still there.
He's still very athletic, but that stuff doesn't age as gracefully as vision and
passing and just effort. And I think if he could just be a very
good defensive player, if he could be a good playmaker for this team,
and a lot of what he did that I liked with the Clippers was him
just spraying the ball around, making the extra pass, passing upshots to give
somebody else a better shot. Yeah, there was a lot of that.
He noticeably was a different guy with the Clippers uniform on than he was with
the Lakers the last season and a half. So they such such different roles
though, right Like I think, I think if you are like an outside
observer and you're you're looking at this season through I don't some sort of narrow
microscope, you're seeing, Wow, the Lakers traded row Us. All of
a sudden, they're knocking on the door of a conference final appearance. Clippers
pick them up. They're bouncing the first round in the second fewest amount of
games you could possibly be bounced in. But I think, I think these
roles have proved to be so different that I do think that even with some
of the things that as Russ ages, some of those declines in his game
and offensive skill set, the team is still a little bit different in that,
you know, both of our stars or can initiate offense better than an
Anthony Davis, no disrespect to him, great player, great playoffs, but
you know, can can initiate their own offense a little bit more handedly.
And yeah, so I do think that it is offensively probably a better fit
than that which I'm hoping you know, can continue to translate on the other
end of the floor from in glimpses of what we've been able to see from
him so far on the defensive end. I gotta tell you, guys,
I hate the fact that we're talking Clippers offseason and measuring how the lay cursor
went away in the Western Conference Finals. Although I could have predicted Laker part.
But this is the only way this season could go worse for the Clippers
and their fans is seeing the Lakers raise the trophy, which is no longer
something that's unrealistic or a party out there. What are you doing, man,
It's a beautiful day, so real quick. But before we move on
from guards, a lot of rust talk, where are you guys at on
a potential Fred van Bleet sign and trade? Now that the Raptors are going
through some some overhaul. Obviously, uh JJ red I bring us up because
JJ Reddick was recently interviewed for the for the coaching position over there gets hired.
But yeah, and just just with sort of where they're at and and
and in terms of what they're paying and what their ceiling would be for for
paying that, I'm having a harder and harder time seeing a scenario in which
FVV is still on that roster, and of course he could absolutely. You
know, I believe he has a player option on this year decline that become
a free agent. I see a more likely scenario being some sort of signing
trade. We know that the Clippers were linked, We know that the offer
was a bit of a joke offer. At the trade deadline, there was
you know, there was no conversation of including Terrence Man. Is that something
that changes? And I mean I think obviously if that happens, there's no
way you can sell Russ on the role for what you can pay him to
keep him to come back. Yeah, So that's a great question. Van
vleet. His player option is for basically twenty three million for twenty three twenty
four. It's twenty two point eight, but he's gonna be twenty nine.
So he signed up. He No, No, he's absolutely, he's the
only question is whether he signs as a free agent or whether he's involved in
a sign in trade with Toronto help out. You know, a franchise that
he didn't win a championship with. What do you think his his AAV is
though? Right because right now he's gonna be twenty nine. He's a you
know, average salaries twenty two million, twenty one point two. Like,
how much bigger is his contract gonna be than the four for eighty five that
he recently signed. It's not going to be that much bigger. I don't
think. I know what do we include that gets to like, you know,
twenty two millions? Right, he's seeking near max money. I don't
think he's gonna get it, but right, yeah, it'll it'll I would
I was the dealer. Yeah, I don't know, because if you go
fully trade down twenty seven million a year, that's Toronto. He shouldn't turn
that down. He's probably not taken less. Yeah, So if you look
at like even rests himself in like Dennis Shrewder and he has to take class,
I don't know. But also if you're the Raptors and you just really
want to just suck ass next year and just like completely tank, you could
trade for say a Marcus Morris who makes seventeen million dollars and is going to
be an expiring or you could trade for a Roco who makes eleven point seven
and isn't expiring. You could trade for Nico who makes you know, like
a right around the saying that's inspiring too and just kind of like see how
that goes and just have a restart year. But I don't know if I
mean in that situations would have to include significant draft equity basically, I'm assuming
and they're limited a big membering. They're they're they're limited on how far out
they can trade first round picks under these tax rules. Yeah, because it
any big addition is going to be a huge swing for the Clippers, and
it's gonna involve our power forwards because that's our most tradeable contracts right now.
So the other thing with the sign and isn't there a situation where if you
do a sign in trade it caps the team who he's going to, Like,
I don't know if that would work so now under the like so under
the new tax apron stuff, And I don't have it directly in front of
me, but I believe if you're if you're over the second apron, you
just cannot take a dollar back more than like, you cannot take a dollar
back more than what you send out. I don't even know if you can
do it though, over the first apron a sign in trade as the team
that's bringing in that guy. I don't know if that's possible. There are
restrictions that have been went down a couple of years ago with that, and
there haven't been many a sign in trade since. But okay, let's say
feasibly that could happen. If you're giving up Terence Man, a first round
pick and Marcus or Rocco to make the trade work, it would be interesting.
I it says they're going all in. It says they're trying everything they
can to win right now, Yadmaster, not even Eric Pinkus, Well,
I love, but you know, I like Fred van Vleet. There are
some injury issues with him as well over the last couple of seasons. And
if he is still the same guy and the age, I mean that you
forget that the guy's thirty. Yeah, So if you're bringing in someone that's
gonna be under a four year contract, you're really committing to him long term.
If they didn't want to do it the trade deadline, I would imagine
they're not going to do it now unless the terms completely change. With Messiah
Jerry and the Toronto Raptors and their side of things, with them blowing it
all up and just saying we'll take in young talent and maybe we will suck
for a while. Who knows. Yeah, I'm not sure that's something that's
that's that real listic right now for the Clippers, But it would be interesting.
What if we end up with a new GM for the Clippers. I
don't see it crazy. I mean I don't either, but I don't know.
I didn't think it happened at this point. The one thing he said
at one of his recent rallies for Into It Dome was he touted the front
office and how good they were they they've been for him. So yeah,
I don't believe. I just don't fully believe billionaires when they say things.
All Right, we're gonna talk on seven hundred toilets. It's not bro,
I don't believe that. Um No, I'm sure it is. All right.
We're talking tradeable contracts, um, and most of those our power forwards.
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in three two one. All right, we are back talking how on earth
we can upgrade at the four spot or the three through fource like the three
four spot, it doesn't matter. There's a lot of issues with the Clippers
kind of wingstop. Depth Will talked about it how like we're mape. We're
kind of like wingstop, but it's during the wing shortage somehow. One thing
that law Murray suggests, like, so we have no money to play with
and we have no trade exceptions, so it feels like it has to be
kind of a huge trade or we just run it back with Marcus Morris at
the four and then we have fans outside crypto, you know, losing their
minds. Someone on Twitter mentioned that we had a lot of assets to trade,
and I wanted to talk to you guys about who are assets are and
who the tradeable contracts are because those are two very different things for a team,
Like I think zoobots is probably, in terms of a player, our
best asset to trade, but that leaves a giant hold starting fight. You
see what I'm saying, Like, who's an actual asset that other teams would
want? And who is a guy that we're trying to just make salary work.
Adam, I will go, I will defer to the cat master.
I think of Eats, the zoobots and Terrence Man, who's now getting bumped
up to is it ten million? This up to? Yes see, I'm
not the cat master. I think those two, when you're talking trade asset,
player asset and rolling it all into one, would be the guys that
are sought after most in potential trades with the Clippers right now. I actually
we're all assuming, of course they're gonna have the team option of picking up
the fifty one per million dollars, the team option of picking up Bones Highland,
and Bones becomes I think, you know, I don't know what was
said about his attitude or personality or what happened with him in Denver, but
the talent is there, so a lot of just going to value. It's
hard because the talent is so much better than two million dollars a year,
which is what his contract would be in a trade. So it's like,
we gotta keep Bones. We're not getting any return for that. Yeah,
well unless it's you know, bones plus a pick plus the three of you
know, two wings of you know, Morris, but tum in Covington Um.
Yeah, that's a good call. I would guess out of the three
wings, but toomb is thought of the most highly. He's the one they
keep if they could only choose one. Rocco wasn't getting playing time. Hopefully
that didn't destroy his value. Marcus Morris didn't look like himself last through most
of the seas and at all he got playing time. Yeah, they aren't
expiring deals, and teams do covet that, but how much because comes the
question of, yeah, Eric Gordon could be it's a team option whether or
not they want to have him as a piece that they could maybe move.
So I think it starts with Terrence Mann of Beata Zoo Boss and maybe we're
then we're talking about somebody like Brandon Boston being one of the most coveted guys
on the Clippers roster that somebody might want in a trade that could push a
trade across the finish line and get it done. And his contracts still not
fully guaranteed for next year either, So I'm wondering I'll off to looking at
what we can sign him for because his isn't fully guaranteed at one point eight,
and neither's Jason Preston. But I don't think anyone thinks Jason Preston is
an asset. But will where where? Would you kind of agree with that?
Like I think you kind of nailed it at him, Like it's Terrence
Zoo, Brandon Boston. Those are kind of the most attractive assets we have
play maybe Norman Powell. Yeah, Norman Powell. It's it's just kind of
it's a very specific need and there's a lot of there's a lot of years
left on that deal, so you'd have to be you know, you'd have
to be fairly committed to that and need that type of scoring guard, almost
six man esque kind of firestarter. Um, so that one is sort of
a case by case basis. But yeah, you'll go up. But yeah,
you're right, Yeah, it's I mean to me it in my mind,
Yeah, it's it's those three. It's those three. And I mean,
like brand Boston Junior is maybe a nice sweetener, like maybe you know,
maybe you're interested. I don't think that it's not tipping the scales,
but it might be the sweetener. Sure, just a little the little extra
you put on top of it. Yeah, the emphasis this new CBA puts
on drafting, well cannot be overstated because excellent call for teams that want to
compete at the highest level, you have to have some mix. Now it
looks like of youth that's playable because you're gonna have a tough time putting together,
you know, a roster that just stacked with elite veterans anymore. On
these big contracts, you have to find a way. You mentioned Bones Highland
being on a two million dollar deal. I mean, that's how you stay
competitive and have a large window. You're constantly bringing in and this is something
Jerry West said. The draft is the lifeblood of the organization. But you're
cycling in some of those younger guys that can help you now that are also
on team friendly deals, and the Clippers have to hit on some guys,
you know, unfortunately with big men with feet and with Daniel O two.
Jerry West drafted Jerome Robinson. That was a Jerry West pick and that shit
was awful. Not just big man, it's not, but it's stands out
more because of that void going on this past season, losing Isaiah Hartenstein and
not having a more seasoned, a just more high valued guy to back up
a Visa's Zoo boss and bringing in Moses Brown and trying to figure it out
and make it work when you're trying to compete for a championship. It wasn't
the best look. But they struck out on a couple of guys the last
five years with drafting big men. So hopefully Musadiabat is someone who does pan
out for them, But you have to have some of these guys pan out,
either to be able to trade or to be able to contribute. Like
so you heard have you heard the O two U story? So that was
the COVID years right that those drafts happened. So there wasn't any like in
person stuff with the team, you know, you're just doing zoom meetings and
the scuttle. But I heard was the team really didn't grasp how short he
was because it was zoom meetings and stuff like that. So they somehow that
was the story that I was told that they like interviewed him so much on
the zoom but they're like great, and then they draft him like, oh,
you're a little smaller than we thought you were. Because I don't know
if I fully believe it, but the true that cannot be I hate I
don't I think it cannot be. I'll go fifty one percent. Not true
because this team is not drafted. Well, um, so now we're at
the thirtieth pick, Like, who are we taking it? I have no
confidence that the Clippers draft someone good at the thirtieth spot. I just don't
like. I mean, the amount of guys that actually pan out that are
drafted is very totally. There's only four hundred and fifty guys in the NBA.
They really help out that number, if you know, the Clippers do
their part to make sure that that number stays low. I think there's something
to that. I think there's also something to every fan base thinks their front
office sucks at drafting, because when you're looking into the details and paying attention
to a team long enough, you see way more, missus. It's like
a hitter in baseball. You're successful if you hit three hundred, you hit
it thirty percent. At the time, like that's good. I mean,
we'll look at it. I just look at like Philadelphia, I mean,
how many crafts did they have at it? And you end up with one
and you're lucky. You're you are incredibly lucky. You are in rarefied company
if you get the one that's that's like that caliber, and it doesn't change
I don't, Yeah, I mean like, and it's difficult regardless of where
you draft. I mean I think you know, in some ways, Um,
it's more of a free for all in these in the lower kind of
area where the Clippers pick, given their sort of pick situation. Um,
but I feel like that gives you a little bit more upside, you know,
if you can be on something. And I you know, I think
they love an upside player. Look, they got a Mirror, they got
Terrence Man, they got Brandon Boston. Those aren't nothing. I those are
guys that have helped Ope for the last couple of years. Brandon Boston not
as much. A Mirror had his January last season, and Terrence Man has
been good for them. A Mirror was undrafted, right, and Terence Man
was a second round pick. So I feel like you can almost count bones
at this point. We're sure we didn't draft, yeah, but like we
you know, we didn't give up much to get him to the second round
or so big deal. Yeah, but these guys have to start playing also,
Like they're at that point now because of the cap. Guys have to
play. You can't afford not to. Someone asked us about a mere coffee
and they were kind of like, is his over on Twitter at clippers pod
go ahead, check us out. Someone asked us, like, should a
mirror get more run? And if you would have gotten more run last year,
I'd say, yeah, next years maybe his year, But like I,
I just we don't know the plan for any of these guys kind of
what Adam was talking about, right, because they're not getting tangible run where
guys like Moses Brown and like other holes are preventing us from experimenting with maybe
more impactful youth at different positions than ones that we have to fill. You
know what I'm saying, And it's it's it's interesting too. And to bring
it back to the forward conversation, you know, this team has just gotten
to guard heavy and and sure you can argue, you know, whether Terrence
is a guard. You can argue a Mirror it could be, you know,
considered like a very small, small forward. But ultimately, you know,
we have way too many guards, as we saw last year in multiple
lineups, and even if we want to break away from that, there needs
to be some redistribution of the funds that are currently being spent on Marcus Morris
Nick. Absolutely, yeah, because you're talking about brad On like on a
on a league as far as the league wide cap is concerned, not necessarily
Clippers because of the second highest cap in the league, but from a league
wide perspective, they have nearly thirty percent of of a of a regular cap
tied up in these three players. Um, and yeah, I just don't
think, you know, that's the just under what you pay a max player.
So I just don't think that they're getting that sort of utility or usage
out of that amount of money. And I think even just getting rid of
some of that blow it opens up opportunities. And I'm not saying that that's
the best thing or that it's a given, but but you can't really even
you can't really even talk about the development of a player like a mere Coffee
who's much lower in the in the depth chart, let alone you know,
bigger development, bigger opportunity for guys like Man, guys who are more battle
proven, guys like Bone and who have you know, limited showing but showed
some potential. You can't really talk about development for guys like that until you
talk about getting rid of some of that stuff. I just refuse to believe.
And I know that we saw Robert Covington play very little, especially you
know, compared to the contract that we gave him in everything, but like,
there still is some financial incentive to keep some skin in the game with
those players when you're doling out that much money, and it doesn't always translate,
it doesn't always translate, but it still means that these other players are
deeper in that depth chart. Well, it's like the Morris contract. I
forget that the Morris contract goes up every year, right like it goes up
every year. This year it was sixteen point three. Next year at seventeen
point one, which is just kind of a goofy shout out to his agent.
Unfortunately it's not matching his play. But he also just didn't look right
after the after the injury against the Lakers, I was gonna say, what
Will was just talking about the lifeblood of the organization, flood of the podcast
right now. I think one of the most frustrating things about this season is
we still have so much uncertainty about this team. It hasn't led to a
lot of clarity and a clear path to what they need to do next.
There are still so many holes. There's going to be likely a lot of
turnover on this roster. It's not just one thing, it's a multitude of
issues from what this is going to be year five look and from what we've
heard and what we saw this year. You know, with the disagreements about
this team from a front office and coaching perspective, are any of us even
convinced that they know because I gotta be honest, I would have said differently
coming into this season, but as of right now where we sit May ten,
twenty twenty three, I am not convinced at all that they know well.
And maybe it starts with that disconnect between the head coach and the front
office that some people assumes there because we went into last season thinking we were
gonna get Wingstop. Instead we got Olive Garden. It wasn't It didn't go
according to plan at all. So what does coach lou value? What is
the front office value? Are they on the same page? That's a little
bit concerning pretty much. I mean, you know, if you if you
read any articles there, they weren't really on the same page. Lab Murray
had a suggestion on Twitter that you bring Terrence in and you somehow convince Kawai
to move down to the four full time because we know he's played the three,
and a lot of people, myself included, got pretty hype that he
put on a bunch of weight in the off season. Then it was like,
oh, he's just not going to play to start the year, which
really sucked. Um do we convince Kawai to move down to the four?
So I think that is it easier I guess to like make a play at
that. I think, I don't know. Look, I think that this
is you know, I think it's a lot different to ask a player to
play the four than to play the five. I understand why player I don't
want to do you play the four. I understand why players don't want to
play at the five for an entire season. It's a lot, it's a
lot of banging out. It's you know, it's a lot of very physical,
heavy work, especially if you're going to be doing things on the offensive.
Then if you're expected to carry a lot of things on that end of
the floor, the flour I think is a lot different. Generally, you
see players who are small forwards shift over into the position where they either play
the four, full time or they start guarding fours because it's just a little
bit more in line with their skill set. It's not it's not all.
I mean, you know, every roster is different, but it's not generally
the most explosive driving players sort of on the floor. There there are opportunities
within the EBB and the floor of the game for rest on both ends.
Um And I don't think for Kauai. In Kawai's case, that the like
the matchup for him. To me, that doesn't really change anything significantly.
Kauai is gonna be the guy who's got the best player. Yeah, I
mean likely, you know, he's gonna spend time but in the right but
in the regular season, you know, guarding the four. I don't see
that as being that big of an adjustment. And in terms of him on
the offensive end, as much as is permissible, the opposing team's best defender
is probably gonna guard Kawai, and you know, it doesn't really matter.
I think I think Kawhi is like more of an encapsulation other than I guess
maybe being a point guard of that sort of position, listening like miss or
whatever you want to call it. So I don't think it met Kauai is
shifting to the four, I mean he is. Yeah, I don't know.
I think it's a non issue. Yeah, the game has changed so
much. If you said this in the early two thousand, so that means
he's going up against see Web, Dirk Navinsky, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnette,
Jermaine O'Neill. You're not seeing guys that big at the four position anymore.
They'd be bumped up to center. So if he's naturally a three in
today's league, that's gone so much smaller. Could he play the four?
Of course he has played the four. We've seen it in the playoffs.
It works. It's just whether or not you want to see that throughout eighty
two games or sixty plus games. What you're hoping to see from Kawhi Leonard,
given that he's going to miss games during the regular season, it's going
to happen. Can he sustain that level of physicality in a league that you
know, it's not so much that you're just backing guys down at that position
anymore, but you would be in a crowd among the trees going for rebounds
more often. Kawhi is a great rebounder. I just wonder how much more
wear and tear is there at that position than playing the three over sixty game
period, And I don't know, I don't know the answer to that.
I'm wondering if sports science or somebody else does, and how taxing it is,
and how you know, much more taxing those minutes are at the four
compared to the three. Basically, well, I guess my just only counterpoint
to that would be, you know, like the three is like in our
league right now, and once again, these are also a model. The
three is like more commonly, the like the point forward that's going to be
initiating a lot more stuff that that traditionally on a lot of teams is going
to be the more skilled offensive player, so I think, you know,
and obviously in stretches in close games, Kawai is going to be guarding that
guy. Anyways, it doesn't matter, it's kind of irrelevant whatever position he's
playing on the floor. But I think over an eighty two game season,
if you're looking at the aggregate, I see that as being, even with
the increased size or physicality, likely the easier matchup. Although you know it's
not, of course, it's not that buyinary. It's not as simple as
you know, he plays the four, and now who only guard forwards?
Only the guarding by for blah blah blah. But I think you know,
if you look at the skill per position of the league, I would say
that overall, the small forward position is probably the more highly skilled position.
If you look at Kawai's position percentage estimate just on Basketball Reference, he played
twenty seven percent of his minutes this year at before for the Clippers, which
is double the next highest percentage he ever played in the NBA. He played
thirteen percent of his minutes it powered forward for the Spurs in twenty three,
twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, and then this year it was at twenty seven.
Do you consider who else was on that team? Now? Well?
Absolutely right? Um, So that makes this year even a little more kind
of oh shit, because like he really played over a quarter of his minutes
at the power forward spot. I'm wondering if that maybe goes up or if
that was hopefully he liked it. I guess, like, I don't know,
because last year it was three percent. So yeah, I'm not against
it at all. If Kaui wants to do it, I'm for it.
If he doesn't want to do it, I say whatever, let him do
whatever he wants. I guess because we've made that bed at this point.
I think it's interesting. Is it more physical to have less movement which you
would think there would be at the four position where you're not moving as much
around the court, but you have to bang with guys, not to Charles
Barkley things up, but you have to back down guys and be more physical
in the post then, as opposed to just running around a little bit more
at the three position. Whatever keeps Kawai healthier is where we want it,
right, I mean, that's the ultimate goal. I would say my like
just my guests would be and looking at kawhi style of play, I would
say that, like less movement, more physicality, That to me is an
advantage I would give to Kauai. You know, I think that like instead
of steel, Yeah, instead of having to like fly around all the time
on defense, he could be you know, more effective and and and you
know benefited by being able to have some at least some possessions. Like I
said, it's not a binary situation, it's not gonna be every single time,
but having at least more defensive kind of possessions where it's less of him,
you know, having to travel as much distance on the floor and more
about just like maintaining that physicality that he's good at at really anyway, Yeah,
if he was running or moving a mile less per game by playing the
four position, that'd be very interesting to see the numbers on that. And
they do have them with the sport VU cameras they do now, so yeah,
and I think and that's it, right, Like, those are the
things like obviously, you know, the injury bug these guys, and it's
been what it's been, you know, over the past four years where every
thing is it's like it's those sort of tweaks, like because you know,
you can't this team ultimately is still you know, it's completely dependent on the
backs of Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. We go as far as they can
take, guys. But if you can limit the like if you can lighten
the energy that they have to expend by five percent over an eighty two game
season, like what kind of returns does that pay? You know? Because
I do think that there are things to be one just on the margins,
and those are the kind of things that I think have those are some of
the few things that have me feeling really positive about the season. If we
were to run it back as constructive, which you know, would not be
my first choice, but I could understand you talking yourself into it, But
the thing would still need to be okay, even if you're going to keep
the roster the same, which I do understand how you could talk yourself into
sure, like once again, I'll talk once we're forced to do it.
Would not would not be my first choice, but I get it you could
talk yourself into that, especially given some of the limitation if with cap blah
blah blah blah blah blah. But then where are the margins where you can
carve out better returns with that? Like that would need to be more readily
like that would need to be more readily assessed. So what about if they
don't play play Kawai at the four? Who are some of the options outside
of guys that are already on the roster that are reasonable for the Clippers.
I don't think. I literally don't think there's anybody. I mean, we'll
say if it takes a trade too, I mean, Jeremy Grant would be
great. I don't know how we get him, he's gonna be a free
agent. Um so I just maybe a sign and trade with him, but
he probably makes more than Fred Van Fleet would be my guest if we he's
younger, isn't he He's in the twenty to twenty five million a year range
Middleton. Middleton's making forty mill but it's a player option. Kuzman is gonna
opt out of his. He's only at thirteen mill player option. Oubrey is
at twelve million, but Charlotte has his bird rights. The power forward class
is bad for the upcoming free agency. Like it was not good. No
one wanted to talk about it. Cam Johnson's a restricted free agent. He'd
be great, but I mean the Brooklyn Nets has traded for him. They're
gonna keep him. Kenyan Martin Junior, there's a team option for two million
dollars with Houston. They're gonna keep him. Ellen McDaniels is gonna be an
unrestricted free agent, and he is not currently getting much run at all in
Philly with Doc Rivers. He's only been playing about thirteen minutes a game so
far in the playoffs. Maybe that changes depending on the matchup, and all
of a sudden he proves himself to be really useful and pushes them over the
top. But Jaellen McDaniels would be a guy when they got him. When
they got him at the trade deadline, I thought that was a great move
for the Philadelphia seventy six ers of one. I thought, man, if
the Clippers could have picked him up somehow, that would have been vague.
Yeah, we can give Doc Terrence back, huh, Like, wouldn't we
have to do a sign in trade. We can't just like we can't just
sign anything. He'll definitely put him at point. Yeah, But like that's
the thing, man, Like it's a perfect storm of not a lot of
good free agents, the Clippers not having any room, the new CBA,
Like it's a the front office has a lot to figure out with this power
forward position. What about this name Jay Crowder? Jay Crowder's there's been attitude
things the past year and it happened two years ago. He's starting on a
team that wins sixty four games with the Phoenix Suns and then somehow, I
mean, he's going to be a free agent. You might be able to
get him on the minimum because of the baggage, Like I mean to get
Jay Crowder and get rid of two of the filler power forwards, two out
of the three that I've mentioned repeatedly. Um, I think that that is
an upgrade. But even though, like even just losing one of those and
adding Jay Crowder, to me, that's not raising the ceiling that much personally.
Yeah, I don't know. If I don't know if i'd start him
over betoom uh and maybe that can start, like I don't think, but
toom cannot start for any if he doesn't want to start, You're you're exactly
right if if that's the issue. If that doesn't, yeah, then it's
done. It's about who closes more so than anything else. But I wouldn't
hate sing j Crowder in a Clippers uniform. I wouldn't, especially because he
might be most bang for your buck, the best talent that you can afford.
Yeah, what about this name? Floating this one out there because he
might not stay first round exit Harrison Barnes M. What's his contracts? Like,
I'm okay, he's getting paid. He got paid twenty one. Yeah,
he's not getting that. He's making a he made eighteen this year.
He's only gonna be thirty one. It feels like all these guys are just
out of the region because like what are we giving you know, like I
mean, any of these moves and like any of these moves assassitate us.
Obviously doing a roster move, which I think the entire room has said needs
to happen any everyone wants that to happen. Yeah. How about this guy
who should have been bounced in the first round, Tory Craig? Could we
ii KCP? No, he didn't really play the position we need. I
just watched him be good the other day. Um, Craig would be nice.
What about Bruce Ye? Can get him? Not a powerfolio but not
a power forward? And no, UM, I don't know. Should we
talk about a guy who might want to pair with Paul George podcast? Yeah,
let's dude, Let's bring back the rooster, dude. Um. So
Paul George and Karl Anthony Towns are like buddies or whatever. Um And on
his latest edition of the podcast b Podcast, which just has to I just
hope it ends soon, uh, Karl Anthony Towns and Paul George were asked
if they've ever talked about playing with each other, and they looked at each
other and raised their eyebrows and they started laughing and they said, we'll plead
the fifth. How upset would you be if the Clippers traded for Karl Anthony
Towns scalea one that furious? That to me would be that, to me
would be the ultimate on serious move. I'm sorry, like I am.
I like Cat. He's been through a lot so much these last these past
couple of years. Um nah, he's gonna want to play next He's gonna
play next to Zoo Like no, I'm a, I'm a that's a no
for me. I brought him up as one of the four guys that you
could big swing for this offseason, to add a third type of star alone
with zak Lavine, with Brad. I love guys who don't play, don't
want to play their position, and need somebody else to be the guy on
the That's exactly how I would feel with team followers or whatever. I don't
know. Look, Kat has been he's young, and he's been maturing the
past couple of years. Uh and yeah, what is he twenty six?
He's like twenty six, twenty seven. He's not a young guy. He's
old and conventional prime would say he's either just entering it or prime twenty eight
thirty two is just not young. This is like when people talk about how
Terrence is one of our young pieces, he's also like twenty six or something
like that. Okay, young for this Clippers roster. He would be one
on this roster, uh and much younger than there are other two guys in
Kawai and Paul George. I do think if you could somehow get you know,
a younger star that could be an innings eater for them during the regular
season to pair with Kawai and Paul George. Not easy, But if they
were gonna take that approach or bringing in a third guy, wouldn't this is
your guy? I just said I wouldn't hate it. I didn't say it
was my number one option. I hate it. Well, I hate it
all right. I'm excited to talk about why would you add more of the
same problem, Like, I just don't understand another guy who doesn't play a
lot of games, injury prone, not a leader. People have questioned his
commitment to like the regular season. People have questioned, you know, and
I'm not saying that that's just talk, certainly. I mean, it only
takes one playoff run to rise above all of that. I'm just looking at
a risk to reward like ratio and I'm just not I'm not seeing it.
Man, It's Paul George's assisted turnover ratio. It's yikes for me. It
goes back to how rudderless this offseason feels right now for the Clippers. Yea,
what direction are they going in? And like, hell how like?
And Cat's the guy that's gonna turn around your regular season? Like that's what
that's a Like? I get that. It's you know, like the postseasons
have been disappointing, but like we've not made any effort We've gotten you know,
we've finished worse and worse every year since the inception of two on three.
Like some thing needs to be done about the regular season as well.
Yeah, yeah, I don't think he's that guy. I'm so excited for
if we get a rumors tweet about kar Anthony Towns or whatever episode we're gonna
do. All right, coming up, we got a couple of fun things
to talk. We have something serious to discuss with Will because Adam seems like
he saw him in a Boston game. The Adjeccona. They've been a little
bit loud, so if that's been your case ahead, turn it down,
add them three two one. Welcome back in clips and Dip. I'm Adam
Oslin. We got Charles Mockler, Will up Dike get to us on Twitter,
at Clippers pod at Clippers podcast on YouTube is where you can find us.
And hopefully maybe you're watching this episode because the nicknames there are plenty.
I'm now unconventional prime. We got podcasts. See you for Chuck, and
the lifeblood of the organization is too good. Keep it the rest of the
show at least. So the other night, I'm watching a Boston lose badly
to the Philadelphia seventy six ers and Doc Rivers as they take a three two
league going back to Philly. Correct and I see what I thought was actually
Will Updike at at the game, and I'll put this picture up here and
you can see the gentleman with the glasses on. Sure a Boston Celtics fan,
and like nobody can see their own doppel gager. That's how it works.
But there are some resemblance there, a little bit of a resemblance to
the point where I was gonna ask Chuck Mofler, uh, you know,
and Will what the hell's going on here? Like, what, how's the
chowder in Boston? How could you turn away from the Clippers? How could
this happen? I'm giving no credence to these basics. Will hate this bit.
So you know what I thought? I thought I saw Adam in a
a Lakers in a Lakers jersey. It was just a sewer great with an
el spray painting on it. I do like that your doppelgator did make the
right decision to wear a T shirt underneath the jersey. And you know that
I can understand. I can understand the mixed up on that point, because
that is that would be a very will move. Okay, Yeah, You're
never gonna is your favorite bosson Celtic player though, Polo under dude, Paul
Gallop Gallow my favorite, my favorite favorite, That's my favorite of all time.
That's a great answer. I'd probably got Blake Griffin, anyone who's played
for the Cliff Gallows one. Gallow is to me like I is one of
them. Was one of the more fun locker room guys. I'll always have
a dude, always have a special place for Gallop. Gallo ruled. I
think Adam Adam, who's your favorite Celtics player. Uh, Jason tam Grant
Williams hopefully becomes a Clipper, that would be tight. Um. I think
Larry Bird might be my favorite Celtic. I don't know. Robert Parrish Michale,
sure, Actually, you know what, I'm gonna take Will's thing.
I'm going gallow and then Blake. I'm just gonna keep it that oh,
with a late great Reggie Lewis. All right, that's very that's sure.
Why not? Um? All right? Last thing before we get out of
here and send these people on their wonderful way there. Apparently there's a haunted
hotel in Milwaukee, which, if you're on familiar Milwaukee is Algonquin for the
good Land. Uh. The Fister Hotel is a Fister p F I S
t R. I did not name it. If I did, I would
have left the p off of it. Apparently it's haunted. Andrew Greif said
on Twitter that the Clippers have avoided this hotel for several years. The road
locker room in Milwaukee was really quiet after February's loss, except for a robust
conversation about which players believed in the haunted theories and which didn't buy them.
At all maybe a small glimpse and where the focus was there in the regular
season for the Clippers. But that's a discussion for another day. Will who
do you think believed in the ghosts? And who do you think said I
don't believe in the ghosts. Also, the way the story came about Mookie
Bets, the Dodgers are in Milwaukee, Mookie Bets rented in Airbnb and is
not staying with the team, but not because he doesn't believe in the ghosts.
He said, he just doesn't. He just wants to stay there.
But it's not because of the ghosts. He just is staying in a different
place to avoid the possibility of ghosts. Will who on the Clippers believes in
ghosts? Paul George on Scooby Doo ass he's believing in ghosts. Kawhi is
not. No, I think Kawhi is is. I would argue that Kawhi
is probably friendly with ghosts. I think Kawhi is just like, hey,
what's going on? Like cool, you're here, I'm here. We call
him Casper then or some people were calling Kawahi Ghosts to start the season.
They thought that could be his new nickname. I saw I think Zoo believes
in ghosts. Yep, I think Zoo believes in ghost one hundred percent.
Um, Adam, who are you? Who are you thinking? Believe in
ghosts? I don't know who believes in them, but I know who doesn't
and who was unafraid Roko when he dropped forty three in Milwaukee last season.
That's a very good call. Yeah, zero counterpoint. He already is a
ghost, doesn't matter he's been ghosted by a you know what, I'm just
gonna say, Yeah, it's interesting. I think they should actually go to
the hotel or the motel and not worry about any of that stuff because obviously
we have issues. Yeah, Sterling doesn't own the team anymore. Man,
I hope they're not stand with rooms you can pull right up to. I
think it. Terrence Man believes, but he's a skeptical like he's in my
mind, he's kind of like a doctor Peter Vinkman type of character from from
Ghostbusters. Yes, skeptical but wants to learn more. Yeah, okay,
yeah, who do we think fully does it? I don't think Morris has
time for that. I think Eric Gordon no way, that dude believes in
ghosts. No. Yeah, the veterans no better by now. Well,
maybe Nico might believe in ghosts. Nico probably believes in ghosts. The more
important question while we close this out, Adam, do you believe in ghosts?
No? I've watched a lot of TAPS over the years, and every
time they're like, oh, there the show TAPS with the plumber guy,
and uh, who's like Plumber by day ghost Hunter by night? And there's
an actual show called ghost Hunter as well. These shows were big, like
five years ago. This was like like Poker in the early two thousands was
big. Ghosts Adventures was another show. I'm surprised you haven't seen any of
these. There is there is to waste your time TAPS. So it makes
sense, Adam Desert, I'm the same age. TAPS was the name,
So you don't believe in ghosts? So TAPS is the Atlantic Paranormal Society.
Founded in nineteen ninety by Jason Hawes. It became the subject of ghost uters.
Will do you believe in ghosts? I do not. No further elaboration,
Uck, I mean, I guess change like I guess, I guess
changed my mind. I know there's one behind you right now. I don't
know. I don't know if I believe fully in ghosts. Um. I
think people maybe get stuck. I also think that no one born after nineteen
ninety one can be a ghost. Just too new. There's just too much
stuff going on. What there was, there wasn't good anything going on.
Back in the day. People have nothing to do when they died. Now
you're gonna do whatever you want. That's true. Like ghosts aren't using TikTok
nowadays or anything like that. I mean they might be. I don't know,
a ghosts bro. Ghosts these days, these days have no respect.
Back in the day, ghost say man and sir, and didn't sag their
pants or anything like that. Um, all right, all right, anything
more paranormal or clippers related we want to talk about before we send these lovely
folks on their lovely way. There's the zoom silence. Past season so over?
Oh god, yes it is. That wraps up for this episode.
Will and I are going to be doing a little live hang with Carl Tart
on Friday over on YouTube. Gonna be drinking some drinks and answering questions.
It's kind of shooting the breeze. It's gonna be a good time. Adam
refused to join because he didn't like what Carl had to say about zoobots.
We really need some reviews, Adam as no rebutal, we really need some
reviews on iTunes, So go ahead review us. We'll give you a shout
out. We'll read it on air. We're also gonna be back next week.
Was a tripod for y'all, Adam Will. Where can these wonderful people
find this podcast? You can check us out on iTunes or Spotify. Well,
you can leave a review over there if you could. It really help
us out. We'll definitely read it on air. Come on, it's the
offseason. Help us out. You can listen to us on either one of
those platforms. You also listen to us over on Stitcher. We're on Deezer,
We're on Amazon Music, We're on Google Podcasts. Anywhere you listen to
podcasts, you can listen to the show. Check us out over on YouTube.
That's at Clippers podcast and yeah, don't forget. You can chop it
up with us anytime, day or night. Charles willis here your messages over
at Clippers five. I'll answer your tweets. I'm not answering your dms late
at night. Adam, anything else to say, well, maybe Adam,
anything else to say to these lovely people. I was gonna make it.
Who are you gonna call? Clips and Zip I don't know. I got
nothing to end this one.