1 00:00:08,199 --> 00:00:13,439 Hello, Clipper fans, Welcome into Clips and Did We Are podcast that I 2 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:18,320 am William up take one third of the hosting trio here at Clips nith in 3 00:00:18,399 --> 00:00:22,600 case even no coming at you. On this fine off season day, We're 4 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:27,640 gonna be talking about the clippers biggest needs coming into this season, as well 5 00:00:27,679 --> 00:00:31,440 as how we can upgrade at the four spot for a team once called Wings 6 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:37,640 Wingstop. There's a shortage of playoff playable Wings, so we're gonna have to 7 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,000 talk about that. We also getting into some other random stuff. We'll talk 8 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:43,000 about Paul, George and Kat's interaction, all sorts of cool stuff. Anyways, 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,240 you get the idea the show's gonna be great. That's all you need 10 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:49,799 to know. I've said enough for myself. Charles Adam, co host of 11 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,399 this pod. How's it going? Follows Adam, I'll kick it to you. 12 00:00:52,439 --> 00:00:56,359 He had some camera troubles earlier. We're just looking looking up as nostrils. 13 00:00:57,439 --> 00:01:00,840 Yeah, I appreciate you guys putting up with me and having to see 14 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:07,200 things only my doctor has. But uh, we should have a good show. 15 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,200 I'm excited for this one. It's good to see Will's back from Boston, 16 00:01:11,359 --> 00:01:19,040 so it's gonna be I don't know, a lot of Boston fans look 17 00:01:19,079 --> 00:01:23,239 like both of us. To be fair, I'm doing good. I'm yeah. 18 00:01:23,239 --> 00:01:26,400 I was spent the weekend in Palm Springs and decided to try and figure 19 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,959 out what the Clippers could do at the four position. We're gonna get into 20 00:01:29,959 --> 00:01:32,799 what I found, which is not much. But no, I'm doing well. 21 00:01:33,159 --> 00:01:36,719 Um, just made a homemade burger inspired by the terrible burger that Gordon 22 00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:40,760 Ramsey made on Tiktoku. That Will showed me that people were losing their minds 23 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,319 over but he made a well done burger. I made a medium rare burger. 24 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,040 But people are losing their minds about this burger. And like, let 25 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,599 me tell you. The respect for Gordon Ramsey of course, but like people 26 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,000 are like, oh, he was out of his mind on this one. 27 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:57,480 It's literally a well done thick burger. Like it's it's the worst kind of 28 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:04,519 burger. But anyway, that's enough about that topping. Let's get into what 29 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,759 the Clippers need, which is not a well done thick burger, although they 30 00:02:07,759 --> 00:02:12,520 need some thick boys, which we'll be talking about later. But right now 31 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:19,599 I think where I think we're in a conversation starts and possibly ends is what 32 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:24,240 are the Clippers going to do at the point position, what are you guys 33 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,080 thinking? Is Russ coming back? Is that a done deal? Or what 34 00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:32,319 are we doing? I have no idea. The Russell Westbrook thing is a 35 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:37,439 really interesting question. I've educated myself to the point that I need to be 36 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,479 on the CBA uh for the Clippers and what they can do for Russ. 37 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:49,240 They can offer him, I mean basically, they can offer him a brand 38 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:53,039 new Hunday from his own dealership, uh, and then a contract that is 39 00:02:53,039 --> 00:02:58,560 one hundred and twenty percent of the men and that's it. Like we might 40 00:02:58,599 --> 00:03:04,759 be able to get an exception if we, like Wave Gordon, get plumbing 41 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,719 out of there, maybe dump some other contracts or like wave some young guys. 42 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:13,719 But that's like all kind of a maybe. So right now as it 43 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,840 stands, we can offer him like eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars to come 44 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:22,080 play for the Clippers next year and then kind of do uh, but we'll 45 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:28,479 give you like twelve million dollars the year after. So we're kind of tethering 46 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:36,120 ourselves to Russ for two years. The vet, Yeah, the vet is 47 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,080 in the it's sub four, but it's between two point seven and eight, 48 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:45,000 so yeah, we can. It's a little bit different than a men minimum 49 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,960 because his year is a service. There is men and there's men men. 50 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:52,479 Well yeah, that's what ten years of service. It's a different man. 51 00:03:52,759 --> 00:03:58,439 Just yeah. So it's like I'm not bottom monks. So it's like four 52 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,879 million that we can offer him, which I think we all maybe agree he'll 53 00:04:01,919 --> 00:04:04,800 probably get from somewhere else, but then kind of do like it. But 54 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,000 if you come back next year, we can take care of you with like 55 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:12,000 twelve million or so. So I don't know, like, Adam, do 56 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,560 you think we can convince Russell Westbrook to come back for four million dollars when 57 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:21,879 he probably has other offers on the table that are more than that. It 58 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:27,360 depends on how much he values his quality of life and if he would enjoyed 59 00:04:27,399 --> 00:04:33,279 me, then it is great. Dude. He's an LA guy, So 60 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:43,160 Adam, I will it helps him my stiff knees, I mean, but 61 00:04:43,319 --> 00:04:47,319 toom basically got the deal you're talking about where they gave him a minimum that 62 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,639 was a little bit adjusted because of his years of service, so it was 63 00:04:50,639 --> 00:04:55,079 a little bit higher than that, and then the promise of something better to 64 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,839 come where I think he's making around eleven million now because they ended up with 65 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,319 this bird rights and they could pay him that much. I'm guessing that situation. 66 00:05:02,399 --> 00:05:10,040 I'm also not Bobby Marks, not even Gordon Ramsey. I like the 67 00:05:10,079 --> 00:05:15,800 idea of bringing back Russell Westbrook for the right price, but obviously he can 68 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,480 make a lot more than three point eight million, or even the six million, 69 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:23,040 should they get under that second apron and be able to give him the 70 00:05:23,079 --> 00:05:28,279 taxpayer mid level exception, which is what they gave John Wall this season. 71 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,600 It's around six million dollars and look Russ if he wants to get his money, 72 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,959 and there was some talk of that earlier in the season, but maybe 73 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,279 that was due to the fact that he had a terrible experience with the Los 74 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:46,360 Angeles Lakers and his mind and his heart have changed. Considering how much he 75 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:51,920 was embraced by Clipper Nation, by the team in that locker room, coach 76 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:57,720 lew said he saved the season. In the exit interview or the postgame interview 77 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,839 after a game five, what do you say your head for? I just 78 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:02,839 I don't know how. I don't know how you can No, I'm chaking 79 00:06:02,959 --> 00:06:06,720 my head at the fact that he saved a season in which we played these 80 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,920 second fewest games you could possibly play in a first round series. But sorry, 81 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:16,360 yeah, I understand I killed the season. For those of you watching 82 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:20,560 on YouTube or not watching on YouTube, Will gives us fun names and I 83 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:25,720 apparently killed the season. So that's on me. That's on me. And 84 00:06:25,879 --> 00:06:31,079 yeah, I'm thinking Russ for the right price, but I don't know. 85 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:35,399 It just depends on how much he enjoyed being a Clipper, because he could 86 00:06:35,399 --> 00:06:40,040 probably get fifteen million per year. He could probably get even though he's gonna 87 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,759 be turning thirty five by the time next season that starts. Uh. You 88 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,439 know, he has been extremely durable throughout his career. At some point, 89 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:51,680 though, you do worry about the age factor. This is someone earlier on 90 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,279 he had I think a torn meniscus. I don't know if it's similar to 91 00:06:56,279 --> 00:07:00,759 what Kauhi is dealing with now, but in that incident with Patrick going after 92 00:07:00,759 --> 00:07:03,680 the basketball playing hard back when he was with the Rockets, so you wonder 93 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:09,279 how his game is going to age now. Did he make some adjustments as 94 00:07:09,319 --> 00:07:13,480 a Clipper, definitely, and he made some sacrifices. But I will say 95 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:17,240 this if he's sacrificing his contract and only getting six million or four million, 96 00:07:17,319 --> 00:07:20,480 three point eight million, I don't know how much you're going to be able 97 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:26,199 to ask of Russ when it comes to sacrificing on the court when he's already 98 00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:29,199 taking that much less. And that is a little bit of a concern. 99 00:07:29,639 --> 00:07:32,839 If you're going to bring back Russell Westbrook and he has to be the starter 100 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:35,920 because that's part of the deal, when you're only paying him three point eight 101 00:07:35,959 --> 00:07:42,439 million, then that idea of having him gracefully age coming off the bench with 102 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,920 the second unit and running the show with those guys, which I think would 103 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,120 be the most ideal spot for him. He's very good when he's the focal 104 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:54,279 point on offense, but there is I think a ceiling or a cap to 105 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:57,519 how good your team can be with Russ as the main guy. I think 106 00:07:57,519 --> 00:08:01,720 that's been proven for a long time now, and again he's turning thirty five. 107 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:05,240 But look, i'd like to see Russell Westbrook back under the right circumstances. 108 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,800 I don't know if it's going to line up that way. It would 109 00:08:07,839 --> 00:08:11,279 be nice to see more of rus in a Clippers uniform because we got a 110 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:15,639 glimpse of that, but again, just ten games with him, Kauai and 111 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,839 Paul George, and overall the net rating wasn't great with those three on the 112 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:24,160 court. So and shockingly, they were really bad offensively and really good defensively. 113 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:30,160 So it's kind of odd. Can that be fixed? Is there some 114 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:33,279 regression and progression to the met in those different areas, because you would think 115 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,000 conventional thinking would say they'd be good offensively but maybe not just good defensively, 116 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:43,000 but it wasn't like that. So we'll see. I'm interested and seeing just 117 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:46,080 how much year. Does the two year thing kind of give you a little 118 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,720 bit of pause because I feel like to convent like he wants to do so, 119 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,519 so like for me, I'm like, next season, sure, But 120 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,440 then if we're tethered again, it's like then it becomes if fans were tired 121 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:00,240 of a team, you know, doing the same thing over and over and 122 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,320 it didn't work, there would be I think I could see the frustration coming 123 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:09,360 the year following. I think it depends on attitude and roll. And it 124 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:13,120 was very good in his short stint this time around with the Clippers, or 125 00:09:13,159 --> 00:09:16,879 his only time around with the Clippers, but moving forward in the future, 126 00:09:16,639 --> 00:09:20,039 I think a lot of us would like to see Bones Highland get more run 127 00:09:20,039 --> 00:09:24,080 out there and to just limit the glut of guys they have. One thing 128 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,159 we've learned from this past season is you can have too much depth. You 129 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:35,000 actually can. It's possible. Lawrence Frank even spoke to that after the season. 130 00:09:35,279 --> 00:09:39,679 So there are big decisions to be made. The point guard position obviously, 131 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:41,519 has been talked about with this team for a long time. It would 132 00:09:41,519 --> 00:09:45,440 be nice to have more stability there, but I don't think we're getting that 133 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:50,320 currently. If that means Russell Westbrook is back, I think most fans would 134 00:09:50,519 --> 00:09:56,080 would enjoy seeing that, but I think it just has to be with the 135 00:09:56,159 --> 00:09:58,759 right template for how he's going to be used, in the right price and 136 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:03,600 all that. So it's it's it's a lot, but we'll see not Bobby 137 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,519 Marks, what are you thinking? I mean, you know it comes down 138 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:11,080 to two roles for players, right, it's playing role and paying role, 139 00:10:11,279 --> 00:10:18,519 and players will be flexible on one, not both, right, And the 140 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,559 pay part isn't something the Clippers can really offer, So the play part is 141 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,559 very hard to sell. Is one hundred percent where you have to sell them 142 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:28,879 on and you brought up a little bit of Russ's injury history, and yes, 143 00:10:28,919 --> 00:10:31,360 he is getting up there in age, I will say, to his 144 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:37,440 benefit though, really pretty clean bill of health as far as major injuries go, 145 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,759 and compared to other players on the Clippers roster certainly has proved to be 146 00:10:41,879 --> 00:10:48,320 a little bit more durable even with those increased years. So here's the thing 147 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,919 about Russ that I kind of came around too. I actually really like some 148 00:10:54,039 --> 00:10:58,840 of the energy that he was able to expend on the defensive end. I 149 00:10:58,879 --> 00:11:01,840 think that's one of those things. If that can continue over a season, 150 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:05,639 that to me makes it a little bit more interesting the argument for him to 151 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:11,320 be a starting caliber guy with this roster. Offensively, I think it's only 152 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,240 going downhill. And that's not a slight on rust. It's just the athleticism 153 00:11:16,279 --> 00:11:18,759 is starting dip a little bit. We've seen him be out of control at 154 00:11:18,759 --> 00:11:22,200 times, and I think as guys age, that becomes a thing, right 155 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:26,039 like, they might even still be able to hit that burst, but it's 156 00:11:26,039 --> 00:11:28,600 not with the same control. It's not you know, they don't have the 157 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:31,679 same balance, they don't have the same strength to be able to like fully 158 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:37,799 harness that into something that is ultimately productive more often than not. So I 159 00:11:37,879 --> 00:11:41,480 think then it just becomes a question of if you can sell him on this 160 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,879 role. Right let's assume he's in the starting role, then you have some 161 00:11:45,919 --> 00:11:48,799 really big questions to ask about. Okay, So who are you pairing him 162 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,879 within the backcourt? Because with what we have at the four, and I'm 163 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:54,159 not going to get into that too much right now because we're gonna get into 164 00:11:54,200 --> 00:12:01,200 it later, Kauhi can't or sorry, Paul George cannot be the two in 165 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,519 that scenario. Right Like the way I look at our roster right now, 166 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:11,519 maybe we have a regular season, like season innings eater at the four, 167 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:16,879 but back in the day, yeah, I don't know if we have the 168 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:22,759 guy right now. Um, if you keep you know, Paul George and 169 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:24,200 Kawhie at the two in the three, I don't know if we have that 170 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:28,759 four on the roster right now that's ready to take this team to a top 171 00:12:28,799 --> 00:12:33,600 four finish and a deep playoff run. So looking at who you can pair 172 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,600 in that backcourt, I think it's really interesting. M Eric Gordon, you 173 00:12:37,639 --> 00:12:41,799 know sort of the vet I think you know, we were all perfectly whelmed 174 00:12:41,799 --> 00:12:46,440 to underwhelmed with what we've seen from him so far this season. He's also 175 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,279 coming back a year older, uh you know up there and age kind of 176 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:52,360 player. Um. Terrence Mann, I think is the obvious fit. And 177 00:12:52,399 --> 00:12:56,960 I think if this is the pathway, if if adding Russ or keeping Russ 178 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,080 to this roster, even if it's on some sort of backdoor handshake two year 179 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,639 kind of deal, if this is the path to giving Terrence Man in the 180 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,559 starting starting lineup, I think I'm with it. Like, I think I'm 181 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:11,200 pretty supportive of it, because I think that ultimately, even if we find 182 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,360 out it doesn't work right, Like, let's say we get fifteen games in 183 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:18,960 the season, Terrence is terrible, He's asked we figure something else out, 184 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:24,080 right, Like if he's the guy, if it's determined and like it's terrible, 185 00:13:24,279 --> 00:13:26,919 fall right, if you want screenshot this, hold me to it later. 186 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:31,200 If Terence is in this starting lineup and it's determined after a reasonable segment 187 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:35,600 of games, maybe even say longer than before the Alster break, I don't 188 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:37,480 know. I'm just saying just throwing it out there. If he is the 189 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:43,000 thing that is holding this starting unit back or this team back, go ahead 190 00:13:43,039 --> 00:13:45,679 and call me out, Like I think that's fine, But I think ultimately, 191 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,279 if bringing back Russ is the is, you know, the best that 192 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:50,519 we can do at the point position, I think if we can optimize around 193 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,320 that, I'm still I'm still sleeping fine with that decision. And this is 194 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,320 actually not something that I would have saw myself saying coming into this trade. 195 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:05,200 So yeah, I suppose for that were changing your mind because I think, 196 00:14:05,240 --> 00:14:09,039 like we discussed kind of the Encourt stuff, the off court stuff, the 197 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:13,919 way that this team talked about Russ. It felt like this was the guy 198 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:20,639 who somehow snapped it into everyone's heads of like, let's try as hard as 199 00:14:20,679 --> 00:14:24,279 Russ tries every night, Like it would have been nice to have that mentality 200 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:28,279 maybe before Russ got to the team, not maybe fantastic, this is how 201 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:35,960 it's how players talked about John Wall and the locker room. That's a really 202 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:39,600 good call, um, But Adam doesn't like that one. But Russ, 203 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:45,960 like for better or for worse, Russ made this team like believe in themselves 204 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,799 more, which is a flaw kind of in and of itself, because I 205 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:52,399 personally thought the team was good enough as it was to maybe win a championship 206 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:58,159 fully healthy. But he brings something that apparently like the players, and by 207 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,879 the players, I mean, you know, guys like Paul George and Kauai 208 00:15:01,039 --> 00:15:07,039 and the major guys tap into to get to this gear of like, oh 209 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:11,200 wow, he's really caring a lot. Let's follow suit. And that's that 210 00:15:11,399 --> 00:15:13,519 is really important for the Clippers. I would love it if we could get 211 00:15:13,559 --> 00:15:18,919 him back on a one year thing and then like maybe give him the second 212 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:24,559 year, but I don't think he wants that. So it feels really important 213 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:30,720 for this culture in terms of the regular season to bring Russ back for this 214 00:15:30,759 --> 00:15:33,399 team. I'm not saying that's good. I'm not saying it's bad, but 215 00:15:33,879 --> 00:15:37,440 it kind of feels like it might be their number one priority right now to 216 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,759 keep everyone engaged and feeling maybe an olive branch too between FO and the coach, 217 00:15:41,879 --> 00:15:48,600 like it's it's not messy, but it's dance. I guess I like 218 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:52,320 what you're saying about having that emotional leader out there, because obviously Kawai and 219 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:58,759 Paul George that's just not and they had it with Patrick Beverley, but it 220 00:15:58,879 --> 00:16:06,080 is has been noticeably missing since he left the team, and I do think 221 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,519 there's something to having a guy who goes out there and plays that hard that 222 00:16:10,559 --> 00:16:15,159 can inspire guys around him, inspire the players around him, and they need 223 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:18,279 that on this team. During the eighty two games, where like Lawrence Frank 224 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:25,279 came out afterwards and he didn't sugarcoat how bad the regular season was and talked 225 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:30,360 about how the playoff performance can't cover up how poor the regular season was. 226 00:16:30,399 --> 00:16:33,000 They won forty four games, two more games than they did all of last 227 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,679 year, missing Kawhi Leonard all of last year, and I think a lot 228 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,559 of that was just because guys weren't getting up for each and every game, 229 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:47,360 and it's hard to do for at two games, but it's easier when you 230 00:16:47,399 --> 00:16:52,080 see a teammate giving it his all, making it into almost a playoff like 231 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,639 environment. That's something Patrick Beverlely I think did for this team a lot. 232 00:16:56,159 --> 00:17:00,320 And so Will's point. I love what he was saying about the defense that 233 00:17:00,799 --> 00:17:06,200 it may really come down to, can you get Russ playing that level of 234 00:17:06,279 --> 00:17:11,279 defense night in night out during the regular season that really changes that's rejectory for 235 00:17:11,319 --> 00:17:14,960 this team and the standings. I think because he was much better in the 236 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:21,279 playoffs defensively and swiping it. Kevin Durant, getting blocks, getting steals, 237 00:17:21,519 --> 00:17:25,200 and not having nearly as many lapses as he has over the years. In 238 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,759 the regular season. It's there. But when we talk about Russ giving that 239 00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:33,160 all out effort, I think a lot of it sometimes is just seen as, 240 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:37,480 oh, look how hard he drives to the rim, Look how hard 241 00:17:37,519 --> 00:17:41,599 he explodes to the rim or goes for a rebound. But it needs to 242 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,920 also be him digging in defensively and giving that effort consistently on that end. 243 00:17:47,319 --> 00:17:51,200 That would change things for me with thinking about Russ and how he can age 244 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,720 as a player, because Will's right offensively, with him creating for himself, 245 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,960 it's going to age, you know, not I don't want to say poor, 246 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:06,599 but speed. You slow down at some point and it's still there. 247 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:11,960 He's still very athletic, but that stuff doesn't age as gracefully as vision and 248 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:18,319 passing and just effort. And I think if he could just be a very 249 00:18:18,319 --> 00:18:21,319 good defensive player, if he could be a good playmaker for this team, 250 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,000 and a lot of what he did that I liked with the Clippers was him 251 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:32,319 just spraying the ball around, making the extra pass, passing upshots to give 252 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,559 somebody else a better shot. Yeah, there was a lot of that. 253 00:18:34,599 --> 00:18:40,359 He noticeably was a different guy with the Clippers uniform on than he was with 254 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:47,119 the Lakers the last season and a half. So they such such different roles 255 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,119 though, right Like I think, I think if you are like an outside 256 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:56,519 observer and you're you're looking at this season through I don't some sort of narrow 257 00:18:56,640 --> 00:19:00,599 microscope, you're seeing, Wow, the Lakers traded row Us. All of 258 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,359 a sudden, they're knocking on the door of a conference final appearance. Clippers 259 00:19:03,519 --> 00:19:07,440 pick them up. They're bouncing the first round in the second fewest amount of 260 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:11,119 games you could possibly be bounced in. But I think, I think these 261 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:17,200 roles have proved to be so different that I do think that even with some 262 00:19:17,279 --> 00:19:21,000 of the things that as Russ ages, some of those declines in his game 263 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:25,400 and offensive skill set, the team is still a little bit different in that, 264 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:30,559 you know, both of our stars or can initiate offense better than an 265 00:19:30,559 --> 00:19:33,799 Anthony Davis, no disrespect to him, great player, great playoffs, but 266 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,920 you know, can can initiate their own offense a little bit more handedly. 267 00:19:37,839 --> 00:19:44,599 And yeah, so I do think that it is offensively probably a better fit 268 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:48,240 than that which I'm hoping you know, can continue to translate on the other 269 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:52,400 end of the floor from in glimpses of what we've been able to see from 270 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:56,079 him so far on the defensive end. I gotta tell you, guys, 271 00:19:56,200 --> 00:20:00,359 I hate the fact that we're talking Clippers offseason and measuring how the lay cursor 272 00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:04,839 went away in the Western Conference Finals. Although I could have predicted Laker part. 273 00:20:06,839 --> 00:20:10,240 But this is the only way this season could go worse for the Clippers 274 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:15,640 and their fans is seeing the Lakers raise the trophy, which is no longer 275 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:19,119 something that's unrealistic or a party out there. What are you doing, man, 276 00:20:19,279 --> 00:20:27,519 It's a beautiful day, so real quick. But before we move on 277 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:33,880 from guards, a lot of rust talk, where are you guys at on 278 00:20:33,559 --> 00:20:38,720 a potential Fred van Bleet sign and trade? Now that the Raptors are going 279 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:45,240 through some some overhaul. Obviously, uh JJ red I bring us up because 280 00:20:45,279 --> 00:20:49,200 JJ Reddick was recently interviewed for the for the coaching position over there gets hired. 281 00:20:49,319 --> 00:20:52,240 But yeah, and just just with sort of where they're at and and 282 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:57,759 and in terms of what they're paying and what their ceiling would be for for 283 00:20:57,799 --> 00:21:03,240 paying that, I'm having a harder and harder time seeing a scenario in which 284 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:11,160 FVV is still on that roster, and of course he could absolutely. You 285 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,279 know, I believe he has a player option on this year decline that become 286 00:21:14,279 --> 00:21:18,920 a free agent. I see a more likely scenario being some sort of signing 287 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,920 trade. We know that the Clippers were linked, We know that the offer 288 00:21:23,079 --> 00:21:26,480 was a bit of a joke offer. At the trade deadline, there was 289 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:33,359 you know, there was no conversation of including Terrence Man. Is that something 290 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,039 that changes? And I mean I think obviously if that happens, there's no 291 00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:41,960 way you can sell Russ on the role for what you can pay him to 292 00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:45,799 keep him to come back. Yeah, So that's a great question. Van 293 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:51,720 vleet. His player option is for basically twenty three million for twenty three twenty 294 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:55,279 four. It's twenty two point eight, but he's gonna be twenty nine. 295 00:21:55,720 --> 00:22:02,400 So he signed up. He No, No, he's absolutely, he's the 296 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,559 only question is whether he signs as a free agent or whether he's involved in 297 00:22:04,559 --> 00:22:07,680 a sign in trade with Toronto help out. You know, a franchise that 298 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,599 he didn't win a championship with. What do you think his his AAV is 299 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,880 though? Right because right now he's gonna be twenty nine. He's a you 300 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:19,440 know, average salaries twenty two million, twenty one point two. Like, 301 00:22:21,559 --> 00:22:23,680 how much bigger is his contract gonna be than the four for eighty five that 302 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,599 he recently signed. It's not going to be that much bigger. I don't 303 00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:33,720 think. I know what do we include that gets to like, you know, 304 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:37,680 twenty two millions? Right, he's seeking near max money. I don't 305 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,599 think he's gonna get it, but right, yeah, it'll it'll I would 306 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,640 I was the dealer. Yeah, I don't know, because if you go 307 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:51,480 fully trade down twenty seven million a year, that's Toronto. He shouldn't turn 308 00:22:51,599 --> 00:22:56,680 that down. He's probably not taken less. Yeah, So if you look 309 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,359 at like even rests himself in like Dennis Shrewder and he has to take class, 310 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,799 I don't know. But also if you're the Raptors and you just really 311 00:23:03,799 --> 00:23:07,440 want to just suck ass next year and just like completely tank, you could 312 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:14,720 trade for say a Marcus Morris who makes seventeen million dollars and is going to 313 00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:18,759 be an expiring or you could trade for a Roco who makes eleven point seven 314 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,319 and isn't expiring. You could trade for Nico who makes you know, like 315 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:26,559 a right around the saying that's inspiring too and just kind of like see how 316 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:30,640 that goes and just have a restart year. But I don't know if I 317 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:37,440 mean in that situations would have to include significant draft equity basically, I'm assuming 318 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:42,920 and they're limited a big membering. They're they're they're limited on how far out 319 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,480 they can trade first round picks under these tax rules. Yeah, because it 320 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,119 any big addition is going to be a huge swing for the Clippers, and 321 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,000 it's gonna involve our power forwards because that's our most tradeable contracts right now. 322 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:03,039 So the other thing with the sign and isn't there a situation where if you 323 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,799 do a sign in trade it caps the team who he's going to, Like, 324 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,599 I don't know if that would work so now under the like so under 325 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:17,680 the new tax apron stuff, And I don't have it directly in front of 326 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,160 me, but I believe if you're if you're over the second apron, you 327 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:26,119 just cannot take a dollar back more than like, you cannot take a dollar 328 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,799 back more than what you send out. I don't even know if you can 329 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:34,640 do it though, over the first apron a sign in trade as the team 330 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,680 that's bringing in that guy. I don't know if that's possible. There are 331 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:41,319 restrictions that have been went down a couple of years ago with that, and 332 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,640 there haven't been many a sign in trade since. But okay, let's say 333 00:24:45,799 --> 00:24:52,319 feasibly that could happen. If you're giving up Terence Man, a first round 334 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:59,400 pick and Marcus or Rocco to make the trade work, it would be interesting. 335 00:24:59,599 --> 00:25:03,559 I it says they're going all in. It says they're trying everything they 336 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:14,359 can to win right now, Yadmaster, not even Eric Pinkus, Well, 337 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:18,000 I love, but you know, I like Fred van Vleet. There are 338 00:25:18,039 --> 00:25:22,279 some injury issues with him as well over the last couple of seasons. And 339 00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:25,640 if he is still the same guy and the age, I mean that you 340 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,559 forget that the guy's thirty. Yeah, So if you're bringing in someone that's 341 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:38,079 gonna be under a four year contract, you're really committing to him long term. 342 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,039 If they didn't want to do it the trade deadline, I would imagine 343 00:25:41,079 --> 00:25:45,200 they're not going to do it now unless the terms completely change. With Messiah 344 00:25:45,279 --> 00:25:49,960 Jerry and the Toronto Raptors and their side of things, with them blowing it 345 00:25:51,039 --> 00:25:53,160 all up and just saying we'll take in young talent and maybe we will suck 346 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:59,039 for a while. Who knows. Yeah, I'm not sure that's something that's 347 00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:03,240 that's that real listic right now for the Clippers, But it would be interesting. 348 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,599 What if we end up with a new GM for the Clippers. I 349 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:11,680 don't see it crazy. I mean I don't either, but I don't know. 350 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:12,799 I didn't think it happened at this point. The one thing he said 351 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:18,480 at one of his recent rallies for Into It Dome was he touted the front 352 00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:23,200 office and how good they were they they've been for him. So yeah, 353 00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:29,480 I don't believe. I just don't fully believe billionaires when they say things. 354 00:26:29,839 --> 00:26:34,279 All Right, we're gonna talk on seven hundred toilets. It's not bro, 355 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,079 I don't believe that. Um No, I'm sure it is. All right. 356 00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:41,519 We're talking tradeable contracts, um, and most of those our power forwards. 357 00:26:41,519 --> 00:26:45,240 So we're gonna get into our power forward conversation after this ad break. 358 00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,279 We have ads coming up. If you are one of the many people who 359 00:26:48,319 --> 00:26:52,519 have been had their lives displaced by loud ads on this podcast, go ahead 360 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:56,319 and turn it down. We got power forward talk coming up at ads coming 361 00:26:56,359 --> 00:27:03,640 in three two one. All right, we are back talking how on earth 362 00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,960 we can upgrade at the four spot or the three through fource like the three 363 00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:15,079 four spot, it doesn't matter. There's a lot of issues with the Clippers 364 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,200 kind of wingstop. Depth Will talked about it how like we're mape. We're 365 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:23,079 kind of like wingstop, but it's during the wing shortage somehow. One thing 366 00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:26,119 that law Murray suggests, like, so we have no money to play with 367 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,680 and we have no trade exceptions, so it feels like it has to be 368 00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:36,000 kind of a huge trade or we just run it back with Marcus Morris at 369 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,680 the four and then we have fans outside crypto, you know, losing their 370 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:44,400 minds. Someone on Twitter mentioned that we had a lot of assets to trade, 371 00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,599 and I wanted to talk to you guys about who are assets are and 372 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:55,519 who the tradeable contracts are because those are two very different things for a team, 373 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:00,839 Like I think zoobots is probably, in terms of a player, our 374 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:06,440 best asset to trade, but that leaves a giant hold starting fight. You 375 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:10,480 see what I'm saying, Like, who's an actual asset that other teams would 376 00:28:10,559 --> 00:28:14,559 want? And who is a guy that we're trying to just make salary work. 377 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,160 Adam, I will go, I will defer to the cat master. 378 00:28:18,799 --> 00:28:23,119 I think of Eats, the zoobots and Terrence Man, who's now getting bumped 379 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:29,039 up to is it ten million? This up to? Yes see, I'm 380 00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:37,559 not the cat master. I think those two, when you're talking trade asset, 381 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:42,400 player asset and rolling it all into one, would be the guys that 382 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,680 are sought after most in potential trades with the Clippers right now. I actually 383 00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:53,279 we're all assuming, of course they're gonna have the team option of picking up 384 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:59,200 the fifty one per million dollars, the team option of picking up Bones Highland, 385 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:03,799 and Bones becomes I think, you know, I don't know what was 386 00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:08,799 said about his attitude or personality or what happened with him in Denver, but 387 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:15,640 the talent is there, so a lot of just going to value. It's 388 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,799 hard because the talent is so much better than two million dollars a year, 389 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,799 which is what his contract would be in a trade. So it's like, 390 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:26,640 we gotta keep Bones. We're not getting any return for that. Yeah, 391 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:32,799 well unless it's you know, bones plus a pick plus the three of you 392 00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:40,400 know, two wings of you know, Morris, but tum in Covington Um. 393 00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:44,160 Yeah, that's a good call. I would guess out of the three 394 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:48,119 wings, but toomb is thought of the most highly. He's the one they 395 00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:53,559 keep if they could only choose one. Rocco wasn't getting playing time. Hopefully 396 00:29:53,599 --> 00:29:59,599 that didn't destroy his value. Marcus Morris didn't look like himself last through most 397 00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:03,079 of the seas and at all he got playing time. Yeah, they aren't 398 00:30:03,079 --> 00:30:10,519 expiring deals, and teams do covet that, but how much because comes the 399 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,759 question of, yeah, Eric Gordon could be it's a team option whether or 400 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:18,279 not they want to have him as a piece that they could maybe move. 401 00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:23,680 So I think it starts with Terrence Mann of Beata Zoo Boss and maybe we're 402 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:29,119 then we're talking about somebody like Brandon Boston being one of the most coveted guys 403 00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:33,519 on the Clippers roster that somebody might want in a trade that could push a 404 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:37,240 trade across the finish line and get it done. And his contracts still not 405 00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:41,720 fully guaranteed for next year either, So I'm wondering I'll off to looking at 406 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,160 what we can sign him for because his isn't fully guaranteed at one point eight, 407 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,200 and neither's Jason Preston. But I don't think anyone thinks Jason Preston is 408 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,920 an asset. But will where where? Would you kind of agree with that? 409 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,319 Like I think you kind of nailed it at him, Like it's Terrence 410 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,519 Zoo, Brandon Boston. Those are kind of the most attractive assets we have 411 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:03,599 play maybe Norman Powell. Yeah, Norman Powell. It's it's just kind of 412 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:10,039 it's a very specific need and there's a lot of there's a lot of years 413 00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:11,480 left on that deal, so you'd have to be you know, you'd have 414 00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:17,759 to be fairly committed to that and need that type of scoring guard, almost 415 00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:22,839 six man esque kind of firestarter. Um, so that one is sort of 416 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:26,160 a case by case basis. But yeah, you'll go up. But yeah, 417 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:30,920 you're right, Yeah, it's I mean to me it in my mind, 418 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:36,640 Yeah, it's it's those three. It's those three. And I mean, 419 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,839 like brand Boston Junior is maybe a nice sweetener, like maybe you know, 420 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,079 maybe you're interested. I don't think that it's not tipping the scales, 421 00:31:44,119 --> 00:31:47,839 but it might be the sweetener. Sure, just a little the little extra 422 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:52,559 you put on top of it. Yeah, the emphasis this new CBA puts 423 00:31:52,599 --> 00:32:00,880 on drafting, well cannot be overstated because excellent call for teams that want to 424 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:07,079 compete at the highest level, you have to have some mix. Now it 425 00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:13,440 looks like of youth that's playable because you're gonna have a tough time putting together, 426 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,000 you know, a roster that just stacked with elite veterans anymore. On 427 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:22,079 these big contracts, you have to find a way. You mentioned Bones Highland 428 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,839 being on a two million dollar deal. I mean, that's how you stay 429 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:29,000 competitive and have a large window. You're constantly bringing in and this is something 430 00:32:29,119 --> 00:32:32,319 Jerry West said. The draft is the lifeblood of the organization. But you're 431 00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:38,200 cycling in some of those younger guys that can help you now that are also 432 00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:44,359 on team friendly deals, and the Clippers have to hit on some guys, 433 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,599 you know, unfortunately with big men with feet and with Daniel O two. 434 00:32:50,319 --> 00:32:53,039 Jerry West drafted Jerome Robinson. That was a Jerry West pick and that shit 435 00:32:53,359 --> 00:33:00,720 was awful. Not just big man, it's not, but it's stands out 436 00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:07,279 more because of that void going on this past season, losing Isaiah Hartenstein and 437 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:13,920 not having a more seasoned, a just more high valued guy to back up 438 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,279 a Visa's Zoo boss and bringing in Moses Brown and trying to figure it out 439 00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:21,240 and make it work when you're trying to compete for a championship. It wasn't 440 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,400 the best look. But they struck out on a couple of guys the last 441 00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:30,680 five years with drafting big men. So hopefully Musadiabat is someone who does pan 442 00:33:30,759 --> 00:33:32,920 out for them, But you have to have some of these guys pan out, 443 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:37,240 either to be able to trade or to be able to contribute. Like 444 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:45,160 so you heard have you heard the O two U story? So that was 445 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,640 the COVID years right that those drafts happened. So there wasn't any like in 446 00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:52,559 person stuff with the team, you know, you're just doing zoom meetings and 447 00:33:52,640 --> 00:34:00,160 the scuttle. But I heard was the team really didn't grasp how short he 448 00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:05,960 was because it was zoom meetings and stuff like that. So they somehow that 449 00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:07,760 was the story that I was told that they like interviewed him so much on 450 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,679 the zoom but they're like great, and then they draft him like, oh, 451 00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:14,039 you're a little smaller than we thought you were. Because I don't know 452 00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:19,599 if I fully believe it, but the true that cannot be I hate I 453 00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,239 don't I think it cannot be. I'll go fifty one percent. Not true 454 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,719 because this team is not drafted. Well, um, so now we're at 455 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:30,320 the thirtieth pick, Like, who are we taking it? I have no 456 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:34,599 confidence that the Clippers draft someone good at the thirtieth spot. I just don't 457 00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:39,079 like. I mean, the amount of guys that actually pan out that are 458 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:45,400 drafted is very totally. There's only four hundred and fifty guys in the NBA. 459 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:51,159 They really help out that number, if you know, the Clippers do 460 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,239 their part to make sure that that number stays low. I think there's something 461 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,199 to that. I think there's also something to every fan base thinks their front 462 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:04,920 office sucks at drafting, because when you're looking into the details and paying attention 463 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,639 to a team long enough, you see way more, missus. It's like 464 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:13,679 a hitter in baseball. You're successful if you hit three hundred, you hit 465 00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:16,519 it thirty percent. At the time, like that's good. I mean, 466 00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:20,920 we'll look at it. I just look at like Philadelphia, I mean, 467 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,320 how many crafts did they have at it? And you end up with one 468 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:29,440 and you're lucky. You're you are incredibly lucky. You are in rarefied company 469 00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:34,679 if you get the one that's that's like that caliber, and it doesn't change 470 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:40,119 I don't, Yeah, I mean like, and it's difficult regardless of where 471 00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:45,280 you draft. I mean I think you know, in some ways, Um, 472 00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:47,760 it's more of a free for all in these in the lower kind of 473 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:52,480 area where the Clippers pick, given their sort of pick situation. Um, 474 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,039 but I feel like that gives you a little bit more upside, you know, 475 00:35:57,119 --> 00:35:59,360 if you can be on something. And I you know, I think 476 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,199 they love an upside player. Look, they got a Mirror, they got 477 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,599 Terrence Man, they got Brandon Boston. Those aren't nothing. I those are 478 00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:13,159 guys that have helped Ope for the last couple of years. Brandon Boston not 479 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,719 as much. A Mirror had his January last season, and Terrence Man has 480 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,480 been good for them. A Mirror was undrafted, right, and Terence Man 481 00:36:20,519 --> 00:36:24,519 was a second round pick. So I feel like you can almost count bones 482 00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:28,519 at this point. We're sure we didn't draft, yeah, but like we 483 00:36:28,639 --> 00:36:31,320 you know, we didn't give up much to get him to the second round 484 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:37,000 or so big deal. Yeah, but these guys have to start playing also, 485 00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:40,760 Like they're at that point now because of the cap. Guys have to 486 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,000 play. You can't afford not to. Someone asked us about a mere coffee 487 00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:51,039 and they were kind of like, is his over on Twitter at clippers pod 488 00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:52,639 go ahead, check us out. Someone asked us, like, should a 489 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:57,400 mirror get more run? And if you would have gotten more run last year, 490 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,760 I'd say, yeah, next years maybe his year, But like I, 491 00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:02,239 I just we don't know the plan for any of these guys kind of 492 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:07,239 what Adam was talking about, right, because they're not getting tangible run where 493 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,440 guys like Moses Brown and like other holes are preventing us from experimenting with maybe 494 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,639 more impactful youth at different positions than ones that we have to fill. You 495 00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:19,079 know what I'm saying, And it's it's it's interesting too. And to bring 496 00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:22,320 it back to the forward conversation, you know, this team has just gotten 497 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,320 to guard heavy and and sure you can argue, you know, whether Terrence 498 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,199 is a guard. You can argue a Mirror it could be, you know, 499 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,800 considered like a very small, small forward. But ultimately, you know, 500 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,440 we have way too many guards, as we saw last year in multiple 501 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:43,559 lineups, and even if we want to break away from that, there needs 502 00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:51,079 to be some redistribution of the funds that are currently being spent on Marcus Morris 503 00:37:51,199 --> 00:38:01,079 Nick. Absolutely, yeah, because you're talking about brad On like on a 504 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:07,000 on a league as far as the league wide cap is concerned, not necessarily 505 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,079 Clippers because of the second highest cap in the league, but from a league 506 00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:17,480 wide perspective, they have nearly thirty percent of of a of a regular cap 507 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:24,480 tied up in these three players. Um, and yeah, I just don't 508 00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:30,320 think, you know, that's the just under what you pay a max player. 509 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,119 So I just don't think that they're getting that sort of utility or usage 510 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,679 out of that amount of money. And I think even just getting rid of 511 00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:43,039 some of that blow it opens up opportunities. And I'm not saying that that's 512 00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:45,880 the best thing or that it's a given, but but you can't really even 513 00:38:46,039 --> 00:38:50,639 you can't really even talk about the development of a player like a mere Coffee 514 00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:53,480 who's much lower in the in the depth chart, let alone you know, 515 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:58,679 bigger development, bigger opportunity for guys like Man, guys who are more battle 516 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,440 proven, guys like Bone and who have you know, limited showing but showed 517 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,159 some potential. You can't really talk about development for guys like that until you 518 00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:12,559 talk about getting rid of some of that stuff. I just refuse to believe. 519 00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,760 And I know that we saw Robert Covington play very little, especially you 520 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,159 know, compared to the contract that we gave him in everything, but like, 521 00:39:17,639 --> 00:39:22,079 there still is some financial incentive to keep some skin in the game with 522 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:28,320 those players when you're doling out that much money, and it doesn't always translate, 523 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,960 it doesn't always translate, but it still means that these other players are 524 00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:35,800 deeper in that depth chart. Well, it's like the Morris contract. I 525 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,079 forget that the Morris contract goes up every year, right like it goes up 526 00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:45,239 every year. This year it was sixteen point three. Next year at seventeen 527 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,039 point one, which is just kind of a goofy shout out to his agent. 528 00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:52,800 Unfortunately it's not matching his play. But he also just didn't look right 529 00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:57,920 after the after the injury against the Lakers, I was gonna say, what 530 00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:01,440 Will was just talking about the lifeblood of the organization, flood of the podcast 531 00:40:01,559 --> 00:40:07,119 right now. I think one of the most frustrating things about this season is 532 00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:13,480 we still have so much uncertainty about this team. It hasn't led to a 533 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,239 lot of clarity and a clear path to what they need to do next. 534 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:21,199 There are still so many holes. There's going to be likely a lot of 535 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,400 turnover on this roster. It's not just one thing, it's a multitude of 536 00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:30,559 issues from what this is going to be year five look and from what we've 537 00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:35,440 heard and what we saw this year. You know, with the disagreements about 538 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,480 this team from a front office and coaching perspective, are any of us even 539 00:40:38,519 --> 00:40:45,199 convinced that they know because I gotta be honest, I would have said differently 540 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,159 coming into this season, but as of right now where we sit May ten, 541 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,960 twenty twenty three, I am not convinced at all that they know well. 542 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:58,079 And maybe it starts with that disconnect between the head coach and the front 543 00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:01,440 office that some people assumes there because we went into last season thinking we were 544 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:07,440 gonna get Wingstop. Instead we got Olive Garden. It wasn't It didn't go 545 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,719 according to plan at all. So what does coach lou value? What is 546 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,960 the front office value? Are they on the same page? That's a little 547 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:19,480 bit concerning pretty much. I mean, you know, if you if you 548 00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:23,280 read any articles there, they weren't really on the same page. Lab Murray 549 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:30,519 had a suggestion on Twitter that you bring Terrence in and you somehow convince Kawai 550 00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:35,480 to move down to the four full time because we know he's played the three, 551 00:41:35,519 --> 00:41:37,480 and a lot of people, myself included, got pretty hype that he 552 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,119 put on a bunch of weight in the off season. Then it was like, 553 00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:40,840 oh, he's just not going to play to start the year, which 554 00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,920 really sucked. Um do we convince Kawai to move down to the four? 555 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,840 So I think that is it easier I guess to like make a play at 556 00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,239 that. I think, I don't know. Look, I think that this 557 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,880 is you know, I think it's a lot different to ask a player to 558 00:41:55,920 --> 00:42:00,280 play the four than to play the five. I understand why player I don't 559 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:04,239 want to do you play the four. I understand why players don't want to 560 00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:07,199 play at the five for an entire season. It's a lot, it's a 561 00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:09,239 lot of banging out. It's you know, it's a lot of very physical, 562 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:14,599 heavy work, especially if you're going to be doing things on the offensive. 563 00:42:14,599 --> 00:42:15,760 Then if you're expected to carry a lot of things on that end of 564 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,239 the floor, the flour I think is a lot different. Generally, you 565 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,400 see players who are small forwards shift over into the position where they either play 566 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,920 the four, full time or they start guarding fours because it's just a little 567 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,480 bit more in line with their skill set. It's not it's not all. 568 00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:34,239 I mean, you know, every roster is different, but it's not generally 569 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:38,400 the most explosive driving players sort of on the floor. There there are opportunities 570 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,800 within the EBB and the floor of the game for rest on both ends. 571 00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:49,639 Um And I don't think for Kauai. In Kawai's case, that the like 572 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,360 the matchup for him. To me, that doesn't really change anything significantly. 573 00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:59,719 Kauai is gonna be the guy who's got the best player. Yeah, I 574 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,159 mean likely, you know, he's gonna spend time but in the right but 575 00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:06,960 in the regular season, you know, guarding the four. I don't see 576 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,559 that as being that big of an adjustment. And in terms of him on 577 00:43:08,559 --> 00:43:14,000 the offensive end, as much as is permissible, the opposing team's best defender 578 00:43:14,079 --> 00:43:15,840 is probably gonna guard Kawai, and you know, it doesn't really matter. 579 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,639 I think I think Kawhi is like more of an encapsulation other than I guess 580 00:43:20,639 --> 00:43:23,079 maybe being a point guard of that sort of position, listening like miss or 581 00:43:23,119 --> 00:43:27,400 whatever you want to call it. So I don't think it met Kauai is 582 00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,599 shifting to the four, I mean he is. Yeah, I don't know. 583 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,039 I think it's a non issue. Yeah, the game has changed so 584 00:43:35,199 --> 00:43:37,960 much. If you said this in the early two thousand, so that means 585 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:44,039 he's going up against see Web, Dirk Navinsky, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnette, 586 00:43:44,079 --> 00:43:47,400 Jermaine O'Neill. You're not seeing guys that big at the four position anymore. 587 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:52,360 They'd be bumped up to center. So if he's naturally a three in 588 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,400 today's league, that's gone so much smaller. Could he play the four? 589 00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:59,280 Of course he has played the four. We've seen it in the playoffs. 590 00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,760 It works. It's just whether or not you want to see that throughout eighty 591 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:07,400 two games or sixty plus games. What you're hoping to see from Kawhi Leonard, 592 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,039 given that he's going to miss games during the regular season, it's going 593 00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:15,480 to happen. Can he sustain that level of physicality in a league that you 594 00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:20,559 know, it's not so much that you're just backing guys down at that position 595 00:44:20,679 --> 00:44:24,719 anymore, but you would be in a crowd among the trees going for rebounds 596 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:29,920 more often. Kawhi is a great rebounder. I just wonder how much more 597 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,559 wear and tear is there at that position than playing the three over sixty game 598 00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:37,840 period, And I don't know, I don't know the answer to that. 599 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,599 I'm wondering if sports science or somebody else does, and how taxing it is, 600 00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:46,400 and how you know, much more taxing those minutes are at the four 601 00:44:46,519 --> 00:44:51,199 compared to the three. Basically, well, I guess my just only counterpoint 602 00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:53,679 to that would be, you know, like the three is like in our 603 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,199 league right now, and once again, these are also a model. The 604 00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,840 three is like more commonly, the like the point forward that's going to be 605 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:07,239 initiating a lot more stuff that that traditionally on a lot of teams is going 606 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,400 to be the more skilled offensive player, so I think, you know, 607 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,679 and obviously in stretches in close games, Kawai is going to be guarding that 608 00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:19,199 guy. Anyways, it doesn't matter, it's kind of irrelevant whatever position he's 609 00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:22,119 playing on the floor. But I think over an eighty two game season, 610 00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,719 if you're looking at the aggregate, I see that as being, even with 611 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:30,239 the increased size or physicality, likely the easier matchup. Although you know it's 612 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,920 not, of course, it's not that buyinary. It's not as simple as 613 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,960 you know, he plays the four, and now who only guard forwards? 614 00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:38,280 Only the guarding by for blah blah blah. But I think you know, 615 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:44,000 if you look at the skill per position of the league, I would say 616 00:45:44,039 --> 00:45:49,280 that overall, the small forward position is probably the more highly skilled position. 617 00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:57,079 If you look at Kawai's position percentage estimate just on Basketball Reference, he played 618 00:45:57,119 --> 00:46:01,119 twenty seven percent of his minutes this year at before for the Clippers, which 619 00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:07,960 is double the next highest percentage he ever played in the NBA. He played 620 00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:12,440 thirteen percent of his minutes it powered forward for the Spurs in twenty three, 621 00:46:12,639 --> 00:46:15,880 twenty thirteen, twenty fourteen, and then this year it was at twenty seven. 622 00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,360 Do you consider who else was on that team? Now? Well? 623 00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,159 Absolutely right? Um, So that makes this year even a little more kind 624 00:46:22,159 --> 00:46:27,000 of oh shit, because like he really played over a quarter of his minutes 625 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,800 at the power forward spot. I'm wondering if that maybe goes up or if 626 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,719 that was hopefully he liked it. I guess, like, I don't know, 627 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:39,920 because last year it was three percent. So yeah, I'm not against 628 00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,639 it at all. If Kaui wants to do it, I'm for it. 629 00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:45,920 If he doesn't want to do it, I say whatever, let him do 630 00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,039 whatever he wants. I guess because we've made that bed at this point. 631 00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:55,159 I think it's interesting. Is it more physical to have less movement which you 632 00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:59,760 would think there would be at the four position where you're not moving as much 633 00:47:00,119 --> 00:47:05,559 around the court, but you have to bang with guys, not to Charles 634 00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:09,760 Barkley things up, but you have to back down guys and be more physical 635 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:15,079 in the post then, as opposed to just running around a little bit more 636 00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:20,159 at the three position. Whatever keeps Kawai healthier is where we want it, 637 00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,079 right, I mean, that's the ultimate goal. I would say my like 638 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,039 just my guests would be and looking at kawhi style of play, I would 639 00:47:28,079 --> 00:47:32,280 say that, like less movement, more physicality, That to me is an 640 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:36,719 advantage I would give to Kauai. You know, I think that like instead 641 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,719 of steel, Yeah, instead of having to like fly around all the time 642 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:44,920 on defense, he could be you know, more effective and and and you 643 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,480 know benefited by being able to have some at least some possessions. Like I 644 00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:51,960 said, it's not a binary situation, it's not gonna be every single time, 645 00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:57,239 but having at least more defensive kind of possessions where it's less of him, 646 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,880 you know, having to travel as much distance on the floor and more 647 00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:06,920 about just like maintaining that physicality that he's good at at really anyway, Yeah, 648 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:12,320 if he was running or moving a mile less per game by playing the 649 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,880 four position, that'd be very interesting to see the numbers on that. And 650 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:21,079 they do have them with the sport VU cameras they do now, so yeah, 651 00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:22,199 and I think and that's it, right, Like, those are the 652 00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:28,239 things like obviously, you know, the injury bug these guys, and it's 653 00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,239 been what it's been, you know, over the past four years where every 654 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:35,159 thing is it's like it's those sort of tweaks, like because you know, 655 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,840 you can't this team ultimately is still you know, it's completely dependent on the 656 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,320 backs of Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. We go as far as they can 657 00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:45,760 take, guys. But if you can limit the like if you can lighten 658 00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:51,400 the energy that they have to expend by five percent over an eighty two game 659 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:54,480 season, like what kind of returns does that pay? You know? Because 660 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,599 I do think that there are things to be one just on the margins, 661 00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:01,760 and those are the kind of things that I think have those are some of 662 00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,800 the few things that have me feeling really positive about the season. If we 663 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,920 were to run it back as constructive, which you know, would not be 664 00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:14,119 my first choice, but I could understand you talking yourself into it, But 665 00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:17,159 the thing would still need to be okay, even if you're going to keep 666 00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:21,840 the roster the same, which I do understand how you could talk yourself into 667 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,599 sure, like once again, I'll talk once we're forced to do it. 668 00:49:27,079 --> 00:49:30,320 Would not would not be my first choice, but I get it you could 669 00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,079 talk yourself into that, especially given some of the limitation if with cap blah 670 00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:37,840 blah blah blah blah blah. But then where are the margins where you can 671 00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:42,760 carve out better returns with that? Like that would need to be more readily 672 00:49:43,679 --> 00:49:46,840 like that would need to be more readily assessed. So what about if they 673 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:52,400 don't play play Kawai at the four? Who are some of the options outside 674 00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:54,960 of guys that are already on the roster that are reasonable for the Clippers. 675 00:49:55,679 --> 00:50:00,480 I don't think. I literally don't think there's anybody. I mean, we'll 676 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,920 say if it takes a trade too, I mean, Jeremy Grant would be 677 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,079 great. I don't know how we get him, he's gonna be a free 678 00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:08,800 agent. Um so I just maybe a sign and trade with him, but 679 00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:15,599 he probably makes more than Fred Van Fleet would be my guest if we he's 680 00:50:15,639 --> 00:50:21,320 younger, isn't he He's in the twenty to twenty five million a year range 681 00:50:22,119 --> 00:50:25,320 Middleton. Middleton's making forty mill but it's a player option. Kuzman is gonna 682 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:30,840 opt out of his. He's only at thirteen mill player option. Oubrey is 683 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,280 at twelve million, but Charlotte has his bird rights. The power forward class 684 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:40,199 is bad for the upcoming free agency. Like it was not good. No 685 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:45,960 one wanted to talk about it. Cam Johnson's a restricted free agent. He'd 686 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:51,079 be great, but I mean the Brooklyn Nets has traded for him. They're 687 00:50:51,079 --> 00:50:55,199 gonna keep him. Kenyan Martin Junior, there's a team option for two million 688 00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:00,119 dollars with Houston. They're gonna keep him. Ellen McDaniels is gonna be an 689 00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:05,119 unrestricted free agent, and he is not currently getting much run at all in 690 00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:07,559 Philly with Doc Rivers. He's only been playing about thirteen minutes a game so 691 00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:10,920 far in the playoffs. Maybe that changes depending on the matchup, and all 692 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:15,199 of a sudden he proves himself to be really useful and pushes them over the 693 00:51:15,199 --> 00:51:19,519 top. But Jaellen McDaniels would be a guy when they got him. When 694 00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:22,760 they got him at the trade deadline, I thought that was a great move 695 00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,199 for the Philadelphia seventy six ers of one. I thought, man, if 696 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:27,559 the Clippers could have picked him up somehow, that would have been vague. 697 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,960 Yeah, we can give Doc Terrence back, huh, Like, wouldn't we 698 00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:34,280 have to do a sign in trade. We can't just like we can't just 699 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,400 sign anything. He'll definitely put him at point. Yeah, But like that's 700 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:43,039 the thing, man, Like it's a perfect storm of not a lot of 701 00:51:43,079 --> 00:51:46,360 good free agents, the Clippers not having any room, the new CBA, 702 00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:52,199 Like it's a the front office has a lot to figure out with this power 703 00:51:52,239 --> 00:52:00,079 forward position. What about this name Jay Crowder? Jay Crowder's there's been attitude 704 00:52:00,159 --> 00:52:05,239 things the past year and it happened two years ago. He's starting on a 705 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,159 team that wins sixty four games with the Phoenix Suns and then somehow, I 706 00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:13,639 mean, he's going to be a free agent. You might be able to 707 00:52:13,679 --> 00:52:19,360 get him on the minimum because of the baggage, Like I mean to get 708 00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,000 Jay Crowder and get rid of two of the filler power forwards, two out 709 00:52:22,039 --> 00:52:25,360 of the three that I've mentioned repeatedly. Um, I think that that is 710 00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:30,400 an upgrade. But even though, like even just losing one of those and 711 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,920 adding Jay Crowder, to me, that's not raising the ceiling that much personally. 712 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,679 Yeah, I don't know. If I don't know if i'd start him 713 00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:45,400 over betoom uh and maybe that can start, like I don't think, but 714 00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:50,360 toom cannot start for any if he doesn't want to start, You're you're exactly 715 00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,960 right if if that's the issue. If that doesn't, yeah, then it's 716 00:52:55,039 --> 00:53:00,039 done. It's about who closes more so than anything else. But I wouldn't 717 00:53:00,079 --> 00:53:05,599 hate sing j Crowder in a Clippers uniform. I wouldn't, especially because he 718 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,000 might be most bang for your buck, the best talent that you can afford. 719 00:53:09,679 --> 00:53:14,119 Yeah, what about this name? Floating this one out there because he 720 00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:20,960 might not stay first round exit Harrison Barnes M. What's his contracts? Like, 721 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:28,079 I'm okay, he's getting paid. He got paid twenty one. Yeah, 722 00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:32,760 he's not getting that. He's making a he made eighteen this year. 723 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,840 He's only gonna be thirty one. It feels like all these guys are just 724 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:43,280 out of the region because like what are we giving you know, like I 725 00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:46,199 mean, any of these moves and like any of these moves assassitate us. 726 00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:51,119 Obviously doing a roster move, which I think the entire room has said needs 727 00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:53,400 to happen any everyone wants that to happen. Yeah. How about this guy 728 00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:59,679 who should have been bounced in the first round, Tory Craig? Could we 729 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,280 ii KCP? No, he didn't really play the position we need. I 730 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:07,760 just watched him be good the other day. Um, Craig would be nice. 731 00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:10,559 What about Bruce Ye? Can get him? Not a powerfolio but not 732 00:54:10,599 --> 00:54:15,280 a power forward? And no, UM, I don't know. Should we 733 00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:22,639 talk about a guy who might want to pair with Paul George podcast? Yeah, 734 00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:25,480 let's dude, Let's bring back the rooster, dude. Um. So 735 00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:30,719 Paul George and Karl Anthony Towns are like buddies or whatever. Um And on 736 00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:34,920 his latest edition of the podcast b Podcast, which just has to I just 737 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,519 hope it ends soon, uh, Karl Anthony Towns and Paul George were asked 738 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:42,119 if they've ever talked about playing with each other, and they looked at each 739 00:54:42,159 --> 00:54:45,000 other and raised their eyebrows and they started laughing and they said, we'll plead 740 00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:50,079 the fifth. How upset would you be if the Clippers traded for Karl Anthony 741 00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:57,280 Towns scalea one that furious? That to me would be that, to me 742 00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,719 would be the ultimate on serious move. I'm sorry, like I am. 743 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,800 I like Cat. He's been through a lot so much these last these past 744 00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:10,280 couple of years. Um nah, he's gonna want to play next He's gonna 745 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:15,440 play next to Zoo Like no, I'm a, I'm a that's a no 746 00:55:15,639 --> 00:55:20,760 for me. I brought him up as one of the four guys that you 747 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:25,920 could big swing for this offseason, to add a third type of star alone 748 00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:31,159 with zak Lavine, with Brad. I love guys who don't play, don't 749 00:55:31,159 --> 00:55:36,519 want to play their position, and need somebody else to be the guy on 750 00:55:36,639 --> 00:55:44,079 the That's exactly how I would feel with team followers or whatever. I don't 751 00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:49,199 know. Look, Kat has been he's young, and he's been maturing the 752 00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,599 past couple of years. Uh and yeah, what is he twenty six? 753 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:59,719 He's like twenty six, twenty seven. He's not a young guy. He's 754 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:10,199 old and conventional prime would say he's either just entering it or prime twenty eight 755 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:15,079 thirty two is just not young. This is like when people talk about how 756 00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:20,280 Terrence is one of our young pieces, he's also like twenty six or something 757 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,400 like that. Okay, young for this Clippers roster. He would be one 758 00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:29,960 on this roster, uh and much younger than there are other two guys in 759 00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:36,119 Kawai and Paul George. I do think if you could somehow get you know, 760 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:39,800 a younger star that could be an innings eater for them during the regular 761 00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:45,239 season to pair with Kawai and Paul George. Not easy, But if they 762 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:50,719 were gonna take that approach or bringing in a third guy, wouldn't this is 763 00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,480 your guy? I just said I wouldn't hate it. I didn't say it 764 00:56:53,519 --> 00:56:59,800 was my number one option. I hate it. Well, I hate it 765 00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:01,760 all right. I'm excited to talk about why would you add more of the 766 00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:06,880 same problem, Like, I just don't understand another guy who doesn't play a 767 00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:10,239 lot of games, injury prone, not a leader. People have questioned his 768 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,679 commitment to like the regular season. People have questioned, you know, and 769 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,760 I'm not saying that that's just talk, certainly. I mean, it only 770 00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:22,320 takes one playoff run to rise above all of that. I'm just looking at 771 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:27,039 a risk to reward like ratio and I'm just not I'm not seeing it. 772 00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:30,119 Man, It's Paul George's assisted turnover ratio. It's yikes for me. It 773 00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:36,400 goes back to how rudderless this offseason feels right now for the Clippers. Yea, 774 00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:39,440 what direction are they going in? And like, hell how like? 775 00:57:39,519 --> 00:57:44,239 And Cat's the guy that's gonna turn around your regular season? Like that's what 776 00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:47,599 that's a Like? I get that. It's you know, like the postseasons 777 00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:53,079 have been disappointing, but like we've not made any effort We've gotten you know, 778 00:57:53,119 --> 00:57:59,280 we've finished worse and worse every year since the inception of two on three. 779 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:01,840 Like some thing needs to be done about the regular season as well. 780 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,920 Yeah, yeah, I don't think he's that guy. I'm so excited for 781 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,440 if we get a rumors tweet about kar Anthony Towns or whatever episode we're gonna 782 00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,760 do. All right, coming up, we got a couple of fun things 783 00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,360 to talk. We have something serious to discuss with Will because Adam seems like 784 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:25,760 he saw him in a Boston game. The Adjeccona. They've been a little 785 00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,920 bit loud, so if that's been your case ahead, turn it down, 786 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:35,800 add them three two one. Welcome back in clips and Dip. I'm Adam 787 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:39,239 Oslin. We got Charles Mockler, Will up Dike get to us on Twitter, 788 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:44,800 at Clippers pod at Clippers podcast on YouTube is where you can find us. 789 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,920 And hopefully maybe you're watching this episode because the nicknames there are plenty. 790 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:53,239 I'm now unconventional prime. We got podcasts. See you for Chuck, and 791 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:58,079 the lifeblood of the organization is too good. Keep it the rest of the 792 00:58:58,159 --> 00:59:05,079 show at least. So the other night, I'm watching a Boston lose badly 793 00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:07,719 to the Philadelphia seventy six ers and Doc Rivers as they take a three two 794 00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:15,000 league going back to Philly. Correct and I see what I thought was actually 795 00:59:15,079 --> 00:59:20,960 Will Updike at at the game, and I'll put this picture up here and 796 00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:27,000 you can see the gentleman with the glasses on. Sure a Boston Celtics fan, 797 00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,719 and like nobody can see their own doppel gager. That's how it works. 798 00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:37,920 But there are some resemblance there, a little bit of a resemblance to 799 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,719 the point where I was gonna ask Chuck Mofler, uh, you know, 800 00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:46,079 and Will what the hell's going on here? Like, what, how's the 801 00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:52,599 chowder in Boston? How could you turn away from the Clippers? How could 802 00:59:52,599 --> 00:59:59,119 this happen? I'm giving no credence to these basics. Will hate this bit. 803 00:59:59,239 --> 01:00:02,079 So you know what I thought? I thought I saw Adam in a 804 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:06,480 a Lakers in a Lakers jersey. It was just a sewer great with an 805 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:10,559 el spray painting on it. I do like that your doppelgator did make the 806 01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:15,400 right decision to wear a T shirt underneath the jersey. And you know that 807 01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,519 I can understand. I can understand the mixed up on that point, because 808 01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:22,639 that is that would be a very will move. Okay, Yeah, You're 809 01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:28,559 never gonna is your favorite bosson Celtic player though, Polo under dude, Paul 810 01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:34,679 Gallop Gallow my favorite, my favorite favorite, That's my favorite of all time. 811 01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:40,679 That's a great answer. I'd probably got Blake Griffin, anyone who's played 812 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:47,039 for the Cliff Gallows one. Gallow is to me like I is one of 813 01:00:47,039 --> 01:00:50,960 them. Was one of the more fun locker room guys. I'll always have 814 01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:53,800 a dude, always have a special place for Gallop. Gallo ruled. I 815 01:00:53,800 --> 01:01:02,079 think Adam Adam, who's your favorite Celtics player. Uh, Jason tam Grant 816 01:01:02,119 --> 01:01:07,480 Williams hopefully becomes a Clipper, that would be tight. Um. I think 817 01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:13,960 Larry Bird might be my favorite Celtic. I don't know. Robert Parrish Michale, 818 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:15,920 sure, Actually, you know what, I'm gonna take Will's thing. 819 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,639 I'm going gallow and then Blake. I'm just gonna keep it that oh, 820 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:23,519 with a late great Reggie Lewis. All right, that's very that's sure. 821 01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:29,199 Why not? Um? All right? Last thing before we get out of 822 01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:32,599 here and send these people on their wonderful way there. Apparently there's a haunted 823 01:01:32,679 --> 01:01:37,480 hotel in Milwaukee, which, if you're on familiar Milwaukee is Algonquin for the 824 01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:46,400 good Land. Uh. The Fister Hotel is a Fister p F I S 825 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:50,280 t R. I did not name it. If I did, I would 826 01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:54,920 have left the p off of it. Apparently it's haunted. Andrew Greif said 827 01:01:54,920 --> 01:02:00,960 on Twitter that the Clippers have avoided this hotel for several years. The road 828 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:06,360 locker room in Milwaukee was really quiet after February's loss, except for a robust 829 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:12,079 conversation about which players believed in the haunted theories and which didn't buy them. 830 01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:14,800 At all maybe a small glimpse and where the focus was there in the regular 831 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:20,039 season for the Clippers. But that's a discussion for another day. Will who 832 01:02:20,079 --> 01:02:22,519 do you think believed in the ghosts? And who do you think said I 833 01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:27,039 don't believe in the ghosts. Also, the way the story came about Mookie 834 01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:30,920 Bets, the Dodgers are in Milwaukee, Mookie Bets rented in Airbnb and is 835 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:35,599 not staying with the team, but not because he doesn't believe in the ghosts. 836 01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:37,519 He said, he just doesn't. He just wants to stay there. 837 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:42,440 But it's not because of the ghosts. He just is staying in a different 838 01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:45,320 place to avoid the possibility of ghosts. Will who on the Clippers believes in 839 01:02:45,360 --> 01:03:00,920 ghosts? Paul George on Scooby Doo ass he's believing in ghosts. Kawhi is 840 01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:05,440 not. No, I think Kawhi is is. I would argue that Kawhi 841 01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:07,760 is probably friendly with ghosts. I think Kawhi is just like, hey, 842 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,000 what's going on? Like cool, you're here, I'm here. We call 843 01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:15,719 him Casper then or some people were calling Kawahi Ghosts to start the season. 844 01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:20,519 They thought that could be his new nickname. I saw I think Zoo believes 845 01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:24,079 in ghosts. Yep, I think Zoo believes in ghost one hundred percent. 846 01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:27,639 Um, Adam, who are you? Who are you thinking? Believe in 847 01:03:27,679 --> 01:03:30,559 ghosts? I don't know who believes in them, but I know who doesn't 848 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:36,519 and who was unafraid Roko when he dropped forty three in Milwaukee last season. 849 01:03:36,519 --> 01:03:40,559 That's a very good call. Yeah, zero counterpoint. He already is a 850 01:03:40,559 --> 01:03:49,199 ghost, doesn't matter he's been ghosted by a you know what, I'm just 851 01:03:49,199 --> 01:03:52,119 gonna say, Yeah, it's interesting. I think they should actually go to 852 01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:58,039 the hotel or the motel and not worry about any of that stuff because obviously 853 01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:05,920 we have issues. Yeah, Sterling doesn't own the team anymore. Man, 854 01:04:06,039 --> 01:04:12,360 I hope they're not stand with rooms you can pull right up to. I 855 01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:15,920 think it. Terrence Man believes, but he's a skeptical like he's in my 856 01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,760 mind, he's kind of like a doctor Peter Vinkman type of character from from 857 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:26,559 Ghostbusters. Yes, skeptical but wants to learn more. Yeah, okay, 858 01:04:26,639 --> 01:04:32,840 yeah, who do we think fully does it? I don't think Morris has 859 01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:38,280 time for that. I think Eric Gordon no way, that dude believes in 860 01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:43,360 ghosts. No. Yeah, the veterans no better by now. Well, 861 01:04:43,519 --> 01:04:48,639 maybe Nico might believe in ghosts. Nico probably believes in ghosts. The more 862 01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:53,280 important question while we close this out, Adam, do you believe in ghosts? 863 01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:58,920 No? I've watched a lot of TAPS over the years, and every 864 01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,800 time they're like, oh, there the show TAPS with the plumber guy, 865 01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:06,079 and uh, who's like Plumber by day ghost Hunter by night? And there's 866 01:05:06,079 --> 01:05:11,159 an actual show called ghost Hunter as well. These shows were big, like 867 01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:15,039 five years ago. This was like like Poker in the early two thousands was 868 01:05:15,079 --> 01:05:19,239 big. Ghosts Adventures was another show. I'm surprised you haven't seen any of 869 01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:26,159 these. There is there is to waste your time TAPS. So it makes 870 01:05:26,199 --> 01:05:29,239 sense, Adam Desert, I'm the same age. TAPS was the name, 871 01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:39,960 So you don't believe in ghosts? So TAPS is the Atlantic Paranormal Society. 872 01:05:40,039 --> 01:05:45,760 Founded in nineteen ninety by Jason Hawes. It became the subject of ghost uters. 873 01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:53,000 Will do you believe in ghosts? I do not. No further elaboration, 874 01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:55,760 Uck, I mean, I guess change like I guess, I guess 875 01:05:55,840 --> 01:06:00,760 changed my mind. I know there's one behind you right now. I don't 876 01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:03,280 know. I don't know if I believe fully in ghosts. Um. I 877 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:08,199 think people maybe get stuck. I also think that no one born after nineteen 878 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,880 ninety one can be a ghost. Just too new. There's just too much 879 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:15,920 stuff going on. What there was, there wasn't good anything going on. 880 01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,199 Back in the day. People have nothing to do when they died. Now 881 01:06:18,639 --> 01:06:24,000 you're gonna do whatever you want. That's true. Like ghosts aren't using TikTok 882 01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:28,679 nowadays or anything like that. I mean they might be. I don't know, 883 01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:32,599 a ghosts bro. Ghosts these days, these days have no respect. 884 01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,960 Back in the day, ghost say man and sir, and didn't sag their 885 01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:44,880 pants or anything like that. Um, all right, all right, anything 886 01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:48,320 more paranormal or clippers related we want to talk about before we send these lovely 887 01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:57,559 folks on their lovely way. There's the zoom silence. Past season so over? 888 01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:01,280 Oh god, yes it is. That wraps up for this episode. 889 01:07:01,559 --> 01:07:05,880 Will and I are going to be doing a little live hang with Carl Tart 890 01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:10,960 on Friday over on YouTube. Gonna be drinking some drinks and answering questions. 891 01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,800 It's kind of shooting the breeze. It's gonna be a good time. Adam 892 01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,159 refused to join because he didn't like what Carl had to say about zoobots. 893 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:21,920 We really need some reviews, Adam as no rebutal, we really need some 894 01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:25,119 reviews on iTunes, So go ahead review us. We'll give you a shout 895 01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:27,960 out. We'll read it on air. We're also gonna be back next week. 896 01:07:28,119 --> 01:07:30,639 Was a tripod for y'all, Adam Will. Where can these wonderful people 897 01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:35,679 find this podcast? You can check us out on iTunes or Spotify. Well, 898 01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:39,119 you can leave a review over there if you could. It really help 899 01:07:39,199 --> 01:07:41,079 us out. We'll definitely read it on air. Come on, it's the 900 01:07:41,119 --> 01:07:43,559 offseason. Help us out. You can listen to us on either one of 901 01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:46,679 those platforms. You also listen to us over on Stitcher. We're on Deezer, 902 01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:49,679 We're on Amazon Music, We're on Google Podcasts. Anywhere you listen to 903 01:07:49,719 --> 01:07:53,480 podcasts, you can listen to the show. Check us out over on YouTube. 904 01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:57,400 That's at Clippers podcast and yeah, don't forget. You can chop it 905 01:07:57,480 --> 01:08:00,960 up with us anytime, day or night. Charles willis here your messages over 906 01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:04,280 at Clippers five. I'll answer your tweets. I'm not answering your dms late 907 01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:08,000 at night. Adam, anything else to say, well, maybe Adam, 908 01:08:08,039 --> 01:08:11,880 anything else to say to these lovely people. I was gonna make it. 909 01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:16,159 Who are you gonna call? Clips and Zip I don't know. I got 910 01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:17,319 nothing to end this one.