WEBVTT 1 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:12.000 Hey everybody, thanks for coming to another episode of My Angular Story. I'm 2 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:17.239 your host Aarren Frost, and today we're extremely lucky to have Tracy. We 3 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:20.359 do one of the biggest names in our community come and be on the podcast. 4 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:23.160 So, Tracy, this is all about you, but give go ahead 5 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:26.039 and do a short intro of you know who you are. Hi, my 6 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:30.519 name is Tracy. You can follow me on Twitter at lady Leep. I'm 7 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:34.399 the CEO of a company called this dot Labs. We spend a lot of 8 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:42.119 time helping large scale enterprises build really cool applications. More more recently, we've 9 00:00:42.119 --> 00:00:48.439 been helping companies with their AI and VR related you know, initiatives, which 10 00:00:48.439 --> 00:00:52.560 has been really, really, really fun for us. We've been focusing obviously 11 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:56.119 a lot on Angler. A lot of our team is Angular developers, and 12 00:00:56.439 --> 00:01:00.600 we love graph ql, but we also equally love reacting you at the same 13 00:01:00.640 --> 00:01:04.480 time, so it's a fun adventure, you know. Yeah. Yeah. 14 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:08.640 This episode is sponsored by Century dot Io. Recently, I came across a 15 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:11.879 great tool for tracking and monitoring problems in my apps. Then I asked them 16 00:01:11.879 --> 00:01:15.640 if they wanted to sponsor the show and allow me to share my experience with 17 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:19.359 you. Century provides a terrific interface for keeping track of what's going on with 18 00:01:19.359 --> 00:01:21.799 my app. It also tracks releases, so I can tell if what I 19 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:25.480 deployed makes things better or worse. 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Oh and I also 26 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:51.239 love that they support open source to the point where they actually open source Centry. 27 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:53.840 If you want to self host it, use the code dev chat at 28 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:57.760 centriy dot io to get two months free on Century small plan. That's code 29 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:04.120 dev chat at Century dot io. And you guys have been this dot labs 30 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:09.520 has been around for how long I think two years now or so? Cool? 31 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:15.520 Yeah? Cool? And you also have some other this dot company too 32 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:17.560 as well, Like yet, isn't this dop media a thing too? Yes? 33 00:02:17.960 --> 00:02:22.199 So this dop Media. We kind of split the company into two pieces 34 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:25.159 because one of the main reasons we started the logs portion was because we get 35 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:30.080 so excited about bringing the JavaScript community together. So we have the Stop Media 36 00:02:30.159 --> 00:02:36.919 where we do tons of events. So every month you can find Angular meetup 37 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:39.479 dot com. It's a global Angular meetup. It's the first Thursday of every 38 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:45.680 month. Uh. And then we have you know, react jsmeetup dot com, 39 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:49.759 which is the second Thursday, and then view meetup dot com which is 40 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:53.840 the third Thursday. So but heb ourselves pretty busy. I mean, we're 41 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:57.280 really focused on helping try to change the ratio and tech as well. So 42 00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:00.960 we do a lot of work trying to help women in tech. Next year 43 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:05.960 we're actually going to start some public mentoring programs to try to help women attech. 44 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:09.000 You know, we just really believe in just trying to create a more 45 00:03:09.039 --> 00:03:15.120 inclusive, you know, community for us for ourselves. Cool. And that's 46 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:20.680 that's this dot media that does that. Yes, it's not media, this 47 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:25.120 dot dot ceo. Yeah, terrible way to spell it. Yeah, that's 48 00:03:25.159 --> 00:03:30.159 awesome. So how did you How did you start in the text? How 49 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:36.240 did I start in the text? Yeah? I started off because my boyfriend 50 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:40.240 at the time was a developer, and I remember the first time he he 51 00:03:40.319 --> 00:03:43.199 was like, oh I'm a developer. I'm like, okay, whatever, 52 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.199 you know, who cares, right, I dated Weirdly enough, every single 53 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:52.599 guy I've dated has been a developer, except for one sales guy. Two 54 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:59.120 sales guys. Yeah, exactly. It's funny because they're so different. Sales 55 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:03.360 guys and developers are so different. It's very true. So I grew up 56 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:09.199 in the Bay Area Sulicon Valley, so I guess everyone's a developer there anyways, 57 00:04:09.840 --> 00:04:13.520 So maybe that's why. But yeah, so I remember he said, 58 00:04:13.520 --> 00:04:16.079 oh, I do JavaScript. I was like, oh, Java, you 59 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:23.240 know classic? Right? Yeah? But you know he you know what, 60 00:04:23.240 --> 00:04:26.800 what developer doesn't want to teach their significant other hawd to code? Right? 61 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:30.720 So guess who learned how to code? Cool? You guys started like just 62 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:34.480 coding as like date date night. You'd sit down and do some code. 63 00:04:35.000 --> 00:04:39.959 Yeah, like call it healthy or unhealthy, But that relationship was basically I 64 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:42.360 mean I took a boot camp, right, I took a two or three 65 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:46.920 week boot camp to learn the basics. But you know, we basically spend 66 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:49.800 our entire lives like hacking. Actually, you know it's funny. I used 67 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:54.720 to go on dates and I used to be like, you know, okay, 68 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:58.519 we can get through the days we like each other, but how effective 69 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:02.839 can we be sitting in a room quiet on our laptops together. And that 70 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:06.439 was like my idea of like, okay, we can we can actually start 71 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:11.480 dating now. You know, I'm sure all developers can relate, right like 72 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:15.360 you don't want that significantly that. It was just like, not shut up. 73 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:19.600 I need to focus. I need to focus exactly. Yeah, like 74 00:05:19.639 --> 00:05:23.120 sometimes, I mean even yesterday I yelled at my husband. I was like, 75 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:26.680 dude, I have headphones in. Don't talk to me. Can't you 76 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:29.439 see my headphones are on? Do you not know? What? Is he 77 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:31.759 a developer? He's a developer. Yeah, and he was coding as well, 78 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:34.399 but I think he was like doing some random stuff. I was like, 79 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:41.959 I'm done talking. I that's just funny developer relationships. That should be 80 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:49.319 an entire podcast developer. Well, Devrell, that'd be funny. I guess 81 00:05:49.319 --> 00:05:57.959 you could take that two ways. DevRel personal. I'm hearing new podcast coming, 82 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:01.600 I see happening. That's funny. So this this person you're dating, 83 00:06:01.680 --> 00:06:05.040 is like, oh, get into this and you're like all right, and 84 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:09.560 then so okay, so let me tell you. Let me tell you from 85 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:13.360 my point of view. Okay, I've never heard the name Tracy Lee. 86 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:19.000 And then like it felt like overnight, that's all. I just heard your 87 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:21.560 name. Like, oh, Tracy, Tracy, Tracy, Tracy, you 88 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:26.879 just showed up everywhere all of a sudden. That's that was my experience. 89 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:29.360 I was like. And then after hearing about you for a while, I 90 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:31.759 met you one time in San Francisco, so yeah, that was kind of 91 00:06:31.800 --> 00:06:40.279 my you. You came up quick in the community, like really really fast. 92 00:06:41.000 --> 00:06:44.920 Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what happened there, 93 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:47.160 but I mean I do love the developer community, and it's kind of 94 00:06:47.160 --> 00:06:55.519 hard to get away from it. I think, like as you you know, 95 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:58.759 like I just, you know, honestly, I just started developing because 96 00:06:58.759 --> 00:07:00.680 I wanted to play. I mean, it was fun for me. I 97 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:02.920 fell in love with it. It was hard. You know, I have 98 00:07:02.959 --> 00:07:08.079 a marketing background. Marketing is not hard, but like development is hard, 99 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:13.040 you know, So you know, I I and you know, I was 100 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:16.639 surrounded by friends who just coded, so you know, me and Ben Lush 101 00:07:16.680 --> 00:07:20.160 and Jay Phelps, Like what would we do when we were hanging out, 102 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:23.800 like we would just you know, I mean, me and Jay would. 103 00:07:24.439 --> 00:07:29.920 I remember this one Thanksgiving, I woke up forgetting how I could actually get 104 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:31.759 into my bed, but me and Jay had actually built a really awesome add 105 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:40.519 on you. Yeah, we basically spent like three drink like three bottles of 106 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:46.120 wine and like coated, so you know whatever. And you know Ben is 107 00:07:46.160 --> 00:07:48.199 the same way, right, Like we used to just sit around and and 108 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:53.879 like do that type of stuff. And you know, that's how I started 109 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:59.920 got involved in the rsg's quarantine. I mean, I think they needed some 110 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:05.879 help from a community perspective to like just figure you know, figure things out 111 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:09.920 from like a non tech perspective. So I kind of started helping with that. 112 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:15.079 And I'm so proud of how the our XDS core team has grown. 113 00:08:15.120 --> 00:08:16.800 Now. I mean, you through our extress lives, so you've seen like 114 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:26.879 going from you know, Ben and OJ and uh David right and and Paul 115 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:31.680 and Matt, but like, you know, a very small subset of people 116 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:35.600 to all of a sudden having like you know, Yon Nicholas super involved, 117 00:08:37.039 --> 00:08:41.039 Nicholas Jamison involved, and that's that's just been really cool to see it really 118 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:46.519 cool to be a part of. I really like that. So how did 119 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:50.759 you meet it? Seems like Jay and Ben are kind of your besties. 120 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:54.840 Yeah, how did you meet those two? I'm pretty sure I met them 121 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:58.320 both on Twitter, which is why I love Twitter so much. So if 122 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:03.679 you're not on Twitter, highly recommend uh. But we they you know, 123 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:07.840 they both actually I met I met Ben when he was working at Netflix and 124 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:13.000 I actually ran I run modern Web, so we actually do this every other 125 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.159 month in the Bay Area. We run modern Web Bay Area, so you 126 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:18.639 can go to meetup dot com slash modern Web and we actually co host it 127 00:09:20.840 --> 00:09:24.279 almost every single time now with the Angular Mountain View meetup. So it's really 128 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:31.519 nice to partner with Stephen Fluin on that type of stuff. And you know, 129 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:33.840 like, actually it was my boyfriend was like, oh Ben Lush or 130 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:37.440 ex jus. I was like, is that important? All right? Fine? 131 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:41.320 And then you know, and then I invited Ben to can speak, 132 00:09:41.399 --> 00:09:46.600 and then you know, we became friends. And then Jay at the time 133 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:50.159 was working in LA and then you know we uh, you know, then 134 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:54.840 Jay moved to Netflix, and then you know, me and Jay became really 135 00:09:54.840 --> 00:10:00.879 good friends. And I feel like Jay was always like my stand in date. 136 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:05.600 You know, it's like Jay's never doing anything that exciting. Sorry, 137 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:11.320 Jay, I love you. So like Jay's always available to do anything, 138 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:13.600 which is great because then he's just always hanging out right, So are we 139 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:20.960 wait lots of time together? I like j Jay's dude. Yeah, smart, 140 00:10:22.080 --> 00:10:26.000 really sad, super smart. Yeah. Hey, folks, this is 141 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:30.279 Charles Maxwood and I just launched my book, The Maxicoder's Guide Defining Your Dream 142 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:33.000 Developer Job. It's up on Amazon. We self published it. I would 143 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.399 love your support. If you want to go check it out. You can 144 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:39.039 find it there, The Maxicoterer's Guide Defining Your Dream Developer Job. Have a 145 00:10:39.039 --> 00:10:46.000 good one, max out. So okay, so you said you said you 146 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:50.320 were in marketing before you became a programmer. Again you got into it. 147 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:56.279 Yeah, so talk to us about pre programming Tracy. Pre programming, Tracy, 148 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:58.799 I was all about building communities. And it's kind of weird because my 149 00:10:58.840 --> 00:11:03.080 life even back then, you were still a community builder even Yeah, I 150 00:11:03.120 --> 00:11:07.399 think you know when did I start? I think I discovered Twitter somewhere around 151 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:13.399 two thousand and eight or so, and you know, that was like kind 152 00:11:13.399 --> 00:11:16.759 of around the time where I started my first startup, well, like my 153 00:11:16.799 --> 00:11:20.399 first tech startup, right, it was like the time when APIs were you 154 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:24.000 know, I was at an API conference, like look at these things, 155 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:28.200 They're cool. Yeah, exactly, And I was like learning what an API 156 00:11:28.399 --> 00:11:37.120 was. And I remember, you know, like I was always interested in 157 00:11:37.120 --> 00:11:41.279 like just bringing people together. So that's always been my thing, Like if 158 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.000 I see a bunch of people, how do I bring them together? How 159 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:46.720 do I help the community? Right? Like I really love helping people. 160 00:11:46.799 --> 00:11:50.919 So my last company, dish Crawl, we were in two hundred and fifty 161 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:56.519 different cities. We had over two hundred and fifty women across it was like 162 00:11:56.679 --> 00:12:01.840 ninety nine point five percent or something crazy like that woman and we helped them 163 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:05.679 dishral it's called Dishcrawl, Yeah. And what we did is we took people 164 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:09.399 on food adventures like pub crawls, but with food. And so we taught 165 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:11.759 them, you know, in a five week period, how to do marketing, 166 00:12:11.799 --> 00:12:15.200 how to do social media, how to do PR, how to do 167 00:12:15.399 --> 00:12:18.279 restaurants sales, and how to actually host an event. Right, Like it's 168 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.159 a pretty intense program. Yeah, but when I really loved about it, 169 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:24.919 I mean, you know, obviously we were a startup so we made a 170 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.000 lot of mistakes, like imagine a bunch of twenty year olds, like trying 171 00:12:28.039 --> 00:12:31.559 to run a business with two hundred Like we grew to one hundred and twenty 172 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:35.840 five people in less than three months, and so like you have these like 173 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:41.240 twenty something your old girls going like, oh crap, what do we do 174 00:12:41.480 --> 00:12:45.360 now? You know, but like the you know, our our intent was 175 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:48.480 that, you know, let's try to help get you know, actually I 176 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:52.519 don't know what the intent was, but what ended up happening was we were 177 00:12:52.600 --> 00:12:56.600 able to help a lot of women get jobs and like find their passion. 178 00:12:58.120 --> 00:13:00.919 So a lot of women love food, right, so they're always interested in 179 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:03.799 getting involved in the food industry. So we helped enable that and create these 180 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:09.639 like little entrepreneurs in all these different little cities, which is really cool and 181 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:13.639 it's kind of funny because you know, now with this thought, I feel 182 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:18.000 like, you know, I'm really focused on trying to help women at tech 183 00:13:18.080 --> 00:13:22.879 again or like women in general again. And also you know, we've been 184 00:13:22.919 --> 00:13:28.000 doing this apprentice program this year, which is trying to help get women their 185 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.559 first job. So you know, like I think themes in your life, 186 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:33.679 right, like whatever type of human you are like if you kind of look 187 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:37.480 back on your life, you'll start finding these sort of patterns emerge, and 188 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:46.000 mine is basically community and helping women apparently. Yeah, well that's good. 189 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:50.360 That's good. You have a lot of passion for it's you're inspirational for a 190 00:13:50.399 --> 00:13:54.080 lot of us that watch you and see what you're doing. It's it's good. 191 00:13:54.120 --> 00:13:56.919 You're a good example for the community. So I'm glad you. Thanks 192 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:01.279 and you have fun doing it, you can tell. Yeah, I mean 193 00:14:01.320 --> 00:14:05.240 I get excited about it, But I mean I think it's actually been kind 194 00:14:05.240 --> 00:14:07.360 of interesting for me to go through. So I've been going through this for 195 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:13.799 a year now. I've been bored, can you believe it? Super busy. 196 00:14:13.840 --> 00:14:16.679 So I don't know how you're bored. Well, like internally I sort 197 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:22.159 of have this like unrest, like what's the next thing? What are we 198 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:26.639 going to do next? You know? Like lately I've been really focused on 199 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:33.919 you know again, like AI, machine learning, AR stuff, VR stuff, 200 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:39.159 like just thinking about like I think angler is super interesting. I think 201 00:14:39.240 --> 00:14:43.320 like graph QL for example, is super interesting, react view, et cetera, 202 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:50.120 et cetera. But like thinking about like what technology enables, you know, 203 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:52.919 like what's the bigger picture, Like we're all doing stuff, we're all 204 00:14:52.960 --> 00:14:56.480 developers, we're all building stuff, we're all hacking on things. But like, 205 00:14:56.080 --> 00:15:01.720 what's the greater picture, Like what's the what's the like, what's the 206 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:03.879 big thing? And I don't know what the answer to that, but hopefully 207 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:07.720 i'll have the answer in a few months, yeah, or an idea. 208 00:15:07.759 --> 00:15:13.440 Anyways, what do you think? What do I think about? What about 209 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:16.559 you? Do you think? What do you think is like the bigger thing, 210 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:24.039 like the big you know, with the whole Like three or four months 211 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:28.519 ago, you remember when the react community kind of caught on fire, Tatiana 212 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:33.159 Mac asked people to read some books. Well, she suggested some books, 213 00:15:33.840 --> 00:15:39.600 and I read a couple of them, and they were really powerful. I'd 214 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:43.399 only ever been like impacted that much by books a couple of times in life, 215 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:46.759 and so I don't know, I'm still I'm still chewing on those to 216 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:50.080 figure out what I could do, because you know, sometimes you do have 217 00:15:50.120 --> 00:15:54.840 a bigger reach and you do have a bigger opportunity to help people, and 218 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.720 it seems like you should use that to help. Yeah, I think I'm 219 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:03.360 kind of like you, maybe still figuring out what that means. I'm not 220 00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:06.679 sure yet. Yeah, I think I think it's difficult because like, as 221 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:08.919 you become a leader within the community, like whether you like it or not. 222 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:15.080 And I think with the whole React thing, part of it was because 223 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:18.879 I feel like, you know, not good or bad, right, but 224 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:23.320 just the way it is, Like I think the React community leaders are just 225 00:16:23.360 --> 00:16:26.480 like, yeah, you know, we're building stuff for Facebook and like there's 226 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:33.720 this React community and you know whatever, like you know, like they feel 227 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:38.240 responsibility, but they're not like we need to mold the community, whereas the 228 00:16:38.279 --> 00:16:42.960 Angular community is very intentional about how they want to mold the community, code 229 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:47.639 of conduct, being inclusive, et cetera, et cetera. So like, 230 00:16:48.399 --> 00:16:51.120 you know, I look at some of the opportunities I have, for example, 231 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:55.879 and you know, positions I get put in, and you know, 232 00:16:55.960 --> 00:17:00.200 if I don't do anything right, like what what am I doing? I'm 233 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:04.960 setting an example? By not setting an example. Yeah, by not doing 234 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:08.680 anything, you're setting the example of what to do, which would be nothing. 235 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:12.279 So you have to do something right. And I think that's really difficult 236 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:19.319 because it it's like I think this is also the burden, right. This 237 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:25.039 is also why the React leaders are kind of like like you guys deal with 238 00:17:25.079 --> 00:17:30.039 it because it's it's so much emotional energy, Like people can't account for the 239 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:36.599 amount of time and energy spent on just like thinking about it, dealing with 240 00:17:36.640 --> 00:17:41.160 it, whatever, which is probably one of the most difficult things that leaders 241 00:17:41.200 --> 00:17:45.359 typically have to do. Right, Like the Angular team spends a lot of 242 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:49.519 time making sure that the community is right, and that takes a toll on 243 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:52.759 things that also takes away from development time, et cetera, et cetera. 244 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:57.079 But you know, yeah, whatever, that's just the way it is. 245 00:17:57.920 --> 00:18:03.119 Yeah, it is. And yeah, I'm trying to figure out my place 246 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:10.240 though, because yeah, as a white dude, sometimes I want to talk 247 00:18:10.519 --> 00:18:14.039 in the conversations, but I don't feel I don't feel unwelcome, but I 248 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:18.440 don't explicitly feel welcome. Yeah, and so it's like, you know, 249 00:18:18.759 --> 00:18:21.880 a lot of it. So I'm kind of in this put me in the 250 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:26.240 game coach, like I'm watching, I'm ready, I don't know where I 251 00:18:26.279 --> 00:18:27.759 fit. I'm kind of it's kind of like there's a bunch of people playing 252 00:18:27.799 --> 00:18:32.079 jump rope and I'm like waiting to jump in, trying to see you, 253 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:33.839 Hey, can I jump in yet? Can I? And so I'm kind 254 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:37.240 of I don't know. I'm on the I'm ready though, and I've made 255 00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:41.599 a couple of attempts. But well, I think like things like m G. 256 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:48.039 KOMF and you know, doing the diversity scholarship for example, like that 257 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:53.200 that's a great example of I think being a leader where you can my fit 258 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:56.519 one of my one of my really good friends, you know, whenever we're 259 00:18:56.519 --> 00:19:00.319 in a group and when there's a bunch of women like he is, he 260 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:04.079 wants to open his mouth, and I'm like, dude, stop, just 261 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:07.720 don't open your mouth because I think, you know, regardless of the intent 262 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:12.680 of you know, men or white men or whatever it is, trying to 263 00:19:12.720 --> 00:19:19.000 help in that situation, Like it's it's like you never know how somebody's gonna 264 00:19:19.039 --> 00:19:25.359 take it rong or right. You will literally never know, and so it's 265 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:30.400 scary. It's it's like you can mean good and it could come out bad, 266 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.480 Like you just don't know, yeah for sure, So you have to 267 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:36.359 be careful right to your point, right, So I think, like, 268 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:38.839 I don't know, I mean, I think a lot of people have different 269 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:45.039 opinions about this, but like I think that sometimes when put in those situations 270 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:48.720 like just don't get involved in the conversation, how are what you want to? 271 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:52.519 But like help in other ways, right, like the diversity scholarship. 272 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:56.359 You know, I think William Apple, you guys do a lot, spend 273 00:19:56.359 --> 00:20:00.079 a lot of time and energy like trying to get woman up on stage and 274 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:04.640 stuff like that, which I think is important. So you know, there's 275 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:10.880 tons of different ways people can help. Yeah, there's hero Devs has been 276 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:15.799 fun. We we have a lot of Central and South American employees and so 277 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:18.759 that that for me, has been a lot of fun since I was a 278 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:22.799 teenager. When I was a teenager, I went and lived in Mexico for 279 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:26.720 two years and just kind of fell in love with fell in love with this 280 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:29.960 this culture I'd never known, but I just you know, it became a 281 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.559 part of me. And so hero Does has been fun the last year two 282 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:40.359 to get more opportunity to to mingle with and just work. Oh man, 283 00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:44.720 that's the funnest this practice because now I emerging, I'm learning Argentine Spanish. 284 00:20:45.000 --> 00:20:48.200 Yeah, and it's so different, like all the swear words don't they're not 285 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:52.039 the same, like all the like even food is called everything. So it's 286 00:20:52.160 --> 00:20:56.680 it's it's fun to learn another another version of Spanish. So yeah, all 287 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:02.039 the tacos, but I mean, are to you're not eating tacos. I 288 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:07.440 guess you're eating in Argentina. But you were just there for the tacos erin 289 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:10.720 Come on, yeah, exactly, I was. I was there for the 290 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:19.640 Tacostish Adventures in Angular is a dev chat dot tv production made in partnership with 291 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:23.839 hero Devs. Hero Devs is a group of Angular experts who can help your 292 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:29.200 team code like true developer heroes. If your team needs an Angular expert, 293 00:21:29.319 --> 00:21:34.880 reach out to Aaron at hero dot dev today. So what's next? Your 294 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:38.160 your focused? So right now? Okay, so you're balancing. You got 295 00:21:38.200 --> 00:21:41.359 a lot of balls in there. You've got our ex ys core team. 296 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:47.480 Yeah, you've got this dot, both of this dots, right, You've 297 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:51.440 got a bunch of community stuff you're doing around the Sorry you've said the name 298 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:55.920 like three times before we're talking. It's like an escalation bracket. What's that 299 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:02.640 escalation? What else would be going on? I mean, I think, 300 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:07.000 like I'm not that involved in the rxgs core team right now, Like I'm 301 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:11.359 more involved. I feel like sometimes if there's a fire and I need to 302 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:15.599 calm it down. That's why I'll get involved, but I'm not as deeply 303 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:21.279 involved just because I've been traveling for the past few months. So November December 304 00:22:21.279 --> 00:22:23.960 I'll probably pick back up again and see see how it can be of use. 305 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:30.279 This year, I spend a lot of time keynoting conferences on diverse student 306 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:37.400 inclusion. Also this thing we call this the pan stacks. Yeah, and 307 00:22:37.440 --> 00:22:41.160 it's all about like process, abstractions and mentorship and this new way of thinking 308 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:45.240 about building development teams. And I get really excited about that because I think 309 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:52.440 like building inclusive development teams with just you know a lot of common sense things 310 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:57.519 ideas is really impactful and can help you know, a lot of these larger 311 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:03.440 organizations succeed. But you know, I really want to play around with Verro 312 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:07.319 like I think. You know, it was interesting because when I first started 313 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:11.440 development, I literally was just like, all right, I'm excited about this 314 00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:12.240 thing. I'm going to do this thing. I'm going to write about it, 315 00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:15.440 I'm going to talk about it. That's what I'm going to do. 316 00:23:15.720 --> 00:23:19.440 Right. So initially, when I started, you know, speaking, I 317 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:26.960 just spoke about angular and burun react and view, and you know, was 318 00:23:26.000 --> 00:23:30.519 really excited about angular material, you know, so spend a lot of time 319 00:23:30.480 --> 00:23:36.400 talking about Angular material, and I think one of the struggles I've been having, 320 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:38.400 which is funny because everybody has the struggle, right, it's this idea 321 00:23:38.400 --> 00:23:41.279 of like what do I do next? Like what are people going to care 322 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:47.519 about? You know? Is that interesting enough? Whenever? And I realized 323 00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:52.440 just recently that like I've been spending way too much time thinking about the cool 324 00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:56.920 thing versus like forgetting about why I started development in the first place, which 325 00:23:56.960 --> 00:24:02.039 was just to like do something and get excited about it. So Vero, 326 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:07.880 which is this really cool framework for AR. It's like, so to use 327 00:24:07.000 --> 00:24:10.799 eron, oh my god, you would be like, it's just crazy. 328 00:24:10.839 --> 00:24:17.160 It's just zero v v I R. Oh yeah it is. It's like 329 00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:22.640 as easy as using Angular material for AR though, yeah, but for AR. 330 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:26.279 Yeah. So that's what I'm super excited about. If I can get 331 00:24:26.279 --> 00:24:33.079 my life back. Is it web based or is it like what what what's 332 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:36.599 Vero focused on? Is it more like native Android iOS or what is it? 333 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:41.200 So the demo I saw you can actually use React native and Viero. 334 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:48.119 Cool, and that is all I know. Yeah, that's awesome. I 335 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:52.799 was planning on spinning it up with React NATA, I need to get more 336 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.640 involved in that stuff. Did you say you guys are doing AI as well? 337 00:24:56.000 --> 00:25:00.759 Oh yeah, yeah, we've been doing like you know, everybody's all 338 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:07.039 about using machine learning and AI to kind of optimize business processes. I feel 339 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:11.519 like, especially in supply chain, right, Like, there's just so many 340 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:17.920 cool things out there. I think if you look at sort of more old 341 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:22.279 school organizations, what you'll find is still a lot of processes that are very 342 00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:29.920 hands on, like kind of like you know, call centers, right, 343 00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:33.039 But you know, we've been thinking a lot and helping some of our clients 344 00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:37.640 with things like how do you optimize call centers or you know, call scripts 345 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:42.559 right based on building a model to learn what the best thing to say is 346 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:51.680 next, or doing things like you know, like VR wise like if I 347 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:55.319 guess, I guess mainly and shipping you kind of see this stuff. But 348 00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:57.839 you know, like there's so many different applications out there right now where you 349 00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:06.319 can literally just hold up your phone and you know, using using AR, 350 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:10.240 I always say vr AR, but using AR it can actually tell you like 351 00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:14.079 what's wrong with your truck and then ship you apart immediately, right, Like, 352 00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:17.640 So there's so many amazing cool ways you can kind of like use these 353 00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:22.240 new technologies, which is something I get really excited about because I really get 354 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:30.319 excited about like helping enable enable businesses. That awesome. Yeah, obviously everybody's 355 00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:36.359 also just migrations. I mean, so I have one last question to ask. 356 00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:40.759 I just I just kind of learned this about you when you were when 357 00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:42.920 you were stuck in Taiwan, you said you're from Taiwan. I didn't know 358 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:48.119 that. Oh yeah, I'm Taiwanese. Okay, So how long did you 359 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:51.720 live in Taiwan? How many times did you go how often you go back 360 00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:56.240 talking about your Taiwan I'm Taiwanese, but I'm American born, so I was 361 00:26:56.279 --> 00:27:00.359 actually born in the Bay Area. Taiwan was actually my first language, and 362 00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:07.039 then Mandarin was my second, and then English. But really mm hmm. 363 00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:08.640 But I mean, you know, when you're young whatever, like, you 364 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:14.039 can learn languages so easily. Yeah. So, I mean I speak it, 365 00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:17.680 I speak, I can understand Taiwanese, and I can speak Mandarin, 366 00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:23.440 but I can't speak business man like. That's very different. I mean I'm 367 00:27:23.480 --> 00:27:27.920 sure you know, does does like does your mom and dad both speak Taiwanese 368 00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:33.720 and Mandan? Yeah, I mean people who speak Taiwanese like they speak Taiwanese 369 00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:36.240 and Mandarin at the same time. Okay, Okay, I didn't know that. 370 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:40.319 Okay, So a similar ishue or are they not very similar? Mmm? 371 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:47.640 Sometimes it's similar and sometimes it's not. Like you know how, I'm 372 00:27:47.680 --> 00:27:51.680 sure in your family you speak like Spanish English, right, so it's kind 373 00:27:51.680 --> 00:27:56.279 of the same thing, except it's Taiwanese Mandarin, Taiwanese and Mandarin at the 374 00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:02.319 same time. Yeah, yeah, I understand. Okay. Well's cool. 375 00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:06.200 So, Tracy, if anyone wants to get a hold of you, talk 376 00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:10.119 to you, need some help with something. What's the best way for the 377 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:14.519 community to get a hold of you. They can always email me, I 378 00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:17.960 mean, you can always email me Tracy at this dot ceo, or you 379 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:22.720 can always find me on Twitter at lady Leit DM is open, dms are 380 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.039 open. Yeah cool? All right, so lady at Lady lead or Tracy 381 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:30.640 at this dot Tracy t r A c y Yes at this dot co. 382 00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:36.119 Yeah, okay, this dot dot co. Sorry, this dot dot com. 383 00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:40.960 Cool. Well, let's let's move on to picks real quick. In 384 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:44.000 case you haven't listened before, everyone, we've kind of picked something and share 385 00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:48.400 something that we like with the community. So I'm gonna pick, and it 386 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.240 can be anything. So I'm picking CBS Survivor, the game show on TV, 387 00:28:52.359 --> 00:28:56.799 Survivor. I've watched it for years. I'm going to be on it 388 00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:00.480 one day. But this season has been the last three episodes have been really 389 00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:06.240 interesting because they go really they've never done this before, not even one time, 390 00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:10.319 and now it's three episodes in a row where they go deep into social 391 00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:17.160 issues, like, uh, three episodes ago, these two buddies, they're 392 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:22.160 like buddy buddy buddies, and one of the guys called the other guy's bandana 393 00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:26.960 do rag and the dude who got his pandemic called the dog. He felt 394 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:30.960 like it was kind of racist, and so there was like this breakdown where 395 00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.839 they there was a teaching moment and it got real between these two friends. 396 00:29:34.839 --> 00:29:37.799 I was like, that's awesome and I got the chills and I was like, 397 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:41.559 man, that was a really good episode. And then the last two 398 00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:44.839 episodes have been really powerful as well. So I'm gonna pick. If you 399 00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:49.880 haven't watched Vive recently, I'm picking. I'm picking Survivors, So go check 400 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.960 it out. It's got some good social messages this season. So, Tracey, 401 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:59.839 do you have any picks? Yes? So I recently was in Sweden 402 00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:06.519 and I went to this place called scanned Witch like sandwich but Scandinavian scanich. 403 00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:14.559 Yeah, and it was so delicious. So I've been stalking their Google reviews 404 00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:18.640 and basically researching how I'm going to make all the different styles of these scanwitches. 405 00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:23.400 So Scandinavian sandwich is basically an open face sandwich. Okay, so it's 406 00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:29.400 just a piece of bread that's really good and like nicely grilled in butter. 407 00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.599 And then this one they had pork belly on top, and then they had 408 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:38.400 like an Asian sesame oil slow, like a Carra pinnegri slaw. But yeah, 409 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:45.759 I really yeah scan Witches, and they're only in Europe. Well, 410 00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:49.359 I mean Scandinavian sandwiches, I guess. So you have to go to Scandinavia 411 00:30:49.440 --> 00:30:52.440 to eat these open face sandwiches. But this one particular was really good. 412 00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.839 Oh I also learned something new. So did you know that Scandinavia is like 413 00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:03.680 Scandinavian area is like the biggest consumer of eating candy? No, yeah, 414 00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:10.200 because more than America. Yes, because apparently there's this thing in Sweden, 415 00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:15.119 where I don't remember what it's called, but it's basically called like sweet Saturday, 416 00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:19.000 where every Saturday, kids can go to the store. And I'm probably 417 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:22.400 getting this wrong, but sweets can go to the kids can go to the 418 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:27.720 store and they have those bulk candies and they can just pick out candies and 419 00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:33.319 like that's their Saturday, every Saturday. How cool is that? That's as 420 00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:34.680 a kid, that would be awesome. Yeah, good for your health. 421 00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.400 Not as a parent you'd be like I'm going to hit my kids in the 422 00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.680 head when they come home. But yeah, yes, exactly. As a 423 00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:44.839 kid, that'd be awesome. All right, that's cool. Well, Tracy, 424 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:47.039 you've been an awesome guest. Thanks for all that you do in the 425 00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:51.359 community and for all the good examples you are showing the rest of us. 426 00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:53.640 Yeah, thanks for having me. Yeah, and to the listeners, I 427 00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:57.920 will say thank you and we'll see you next time. Bendwidth for this segment 428 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:01.359 is provided by cash Flow, the world's fastest c d N. Deliver your 429 00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:06.599 content fast with cash Fly. Visit c A c H E f l Y 430 00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:07.920 dot com to learn more.