WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.919 Hey everybody, this is Less Drive. Yes, yes, I know aka 2 00:00:04.360 --> 00:00:30.039 Survivor Man, and you're listening to Brian on Sasquatch Otisy. Hey there, 3 00:00:30.079 --> 00:00:34.479 welcome back to Sasquatch. Thank you so much for clicking play. It is 4 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:38.200 Wednesday. I hope you're having a week. We have an amazing guest lined 5 00:00:38.240 --> 00:00:41.159 up for you. But as always, I want to start the show by 6 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:44.320 inviting you. If you've had an encounter and you'd like to be on the 7 00:00:44.359 --> 00:00:46.679 show, shoot me an email. You can get me a Brian at Pairing 8 00:00:46.719 --> 00:00:49.840 them a World Productions dot com. Get head over to the website, check 9 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:54.240 it out, become a member there and help support the show. I got 10 00:00:54.240 --> 00:00:57.719 to sit down and talk to Ben from the UK, who has a YouTube 11 00:00:57.759 --> 00:01:02.799 channel called the four oh one Files, and he had some really interesting information. 12 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:06.560 He had some really interesting encounters to share with us, and he's got 13 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:11.120 some pretty interesting perspectives on bigfoot in the UK and what he thinks these things 14 00:01:11.239 --> 00:01:15.159 might be over there versus over here in North America. I think you're really 15 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:18.159 going to enjoy this interview with Ben. Towards the end of this, about 16 00:01:18.200 --> 00:01:21.480 thirty minutes or so in I've actually incorporated a little bit of a clip. 17 00:01:21.519 --> 00:01:23.760 It's about five or six minutes of what you can expect when you go over 18 00:01:23.799 --> 00:01:29.159 to Ben's channel. It's him talking about bigfoot in the UK and his recent 19 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:34.319 experience on another podcast where he was kind of being pressured into a corner about 20 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:36.879 saying whether these things are flesh and blood or not over in the UK. 21 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:38.480 I think you're really going to enjoy it. Make sure you head over to 22 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:42.159 the four oh one files on YouTube, subscribe to the channel show Ben some 23 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:46.280 love. We're going to do some other collaborations here in the future, and 24 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:48.840 I'm really looking forward to that. I think he's a really cool guy, 25 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:51.640 and I think you're really going to enjoy his stuff. But enough of that, 26 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:53.680 I know you guys are ready to get into it. Ben's on the 27 00:01:53.680 --> 00:01:56.159 line, he's ready to go. All that's left for you to do is 28 00:01:56.239 --> 00:02:17.599 sit back, relax, and enjoy the show. I don't want to welcome 29 00:02:17.639 --> 00:02:21.319 our guests to the show. It has been from the four oh one files, 30 00:02:21.360 --> 00:02:23.719 Welcome to the show man. Yeah, thank you for having me. 31 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:27.080 It's abstuen pleasure. I am so glad to have you. I appreciate your 32 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:29.639 patience. I know we've been trying to put this together for months. Now 33 00:02:29.680 --> 00:02:31.360 that you're finally here, let's dig into this thing. Let's talk a little 34 00:02:31.360 --> 00:02:36.680 bit about what got you interested in bigfoot sasquatch and all the crazy stuff that 35 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:38.240 you're out there chasing in those woods. Yeah. So for me, this 36 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:42.639 journey started from a very young age, and I grew up in a house 37 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:46.840 that was very active with polergeist activity privy to some of the adult conversations taking 38 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:51.280 place within that household, things that they could next slain and not really call 39 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:54.120 my interest. But around about the age of ten years old, this was 40 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:58.199 like nineteen ninety seven, I was a member of the cub Scouts at a 41 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:01.800 time a week being on a week camping trip. The camping trip itself was 42 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:07.000 perfect beautiful, so was camping drip Away for that week. And it was 43 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:10.080 on the way back that my life pretty much changed forever because we was on 44 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:14.080 a mini bus who was heading home. The camp was great. Like I 45 00:03:14.080 --> 00:03:15.599 said, the cub Scout leaned or had just stood up in the middle of 46 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:19.319 the boats and said, we're gonna plo over it any minute and just do 47 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:23.000 a really quick random point of stuff for anyone that needs to jump off and 48 00:03:23.159 --> 00:03:24.319 take a quick week. This would be a great time to do it, 49 00:03:24.319 --> 00:03:28.680 because once we're done here hitting the road again. I remember it. I 50 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:30.240 was like the back of the bus, me and my friend at the time, 51 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:34.280 and we decided to jump off. We stood at the side of this 52 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:38.080 road. It was quite a busy road and where we were standing right in 53 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:42.319 front of us was small grass embankment. Being ten years old, I didn't 54 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:45.960 really want to stand shoulders shoulder with my taking a pee. I was a 55 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:49.000 bit of a shy kids, so I decided to go up this embankment. 56 00:03:49.080 --> 00:03:52.120 While I was standing at the top of this embankment, I could now see 57 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:55.479 clearly through this wooded area. I remember seeing what I thought was like a 58 00:03:55.520 --> 00:04:00.080 little outbuilding, little outhouse made of brakes, but it hadn't been used for 59 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:03.000 a while. That was clearly obvious that brooks missing, those ivy growing all 60 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:06.199 over this thing, and I remember thinking that looked really weird, like where 61 00:04:06.280 --> 00:04:10.120 is the rest of this done? Why would't there just be a little tool 62 00:04:10.120 --> 00:04:14.080 shed almost in the middle of the woods. So I started to look around 63 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:16.759 in this woods, obviously still standing there, just moving my head scanning through 64 00:04:16.759 --> 00:04:20.720 the woods, and I saw something moved over to my left, I saw 65 00:04:20.759 --> 00:04:26.319 this green creature. This thing was tall. It was about six feet tall, 66 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:30.240 over six feet, but it walked with a stem. Now I can't 67 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:31.920 tell you. It was just so long and downlee. That's the way its 68 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:34.639 gate was, That's the way it walked, or if this thing was actually 69 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:39.639 trying to keep a low profile. But it looked at me. I looked 70 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:42.160 at this thing, and it must have only been a few seconds, but 71 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:46.360 didn't feel right, even as a small thing year old child, even back 72 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:49.480 then, it was something I'd never seen before. But my initial reaction to 73 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:54.560 this experience was that this must be a crime. They're trying to trick me. 74 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:57.639 They're trying to make me believe how we got you, the new fall 75 00:04:57.720 --> 00:05:00.319 for it kind of thing in my young I decided that I would do a 76 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:04.079 bit of reverse psychology. I thought, okay, you've gone through all this 77 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:08.959 time and try and trick me. I'll thetend I never saw it, but 78 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:13.120 jumped back on the bus and I waited for someone to say, how we 79 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:17.000 scared you, and you got you as you're scared. Nobody did nobody ever 80 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:21.560 spoke about this tall green creature walking through the woods. I waited, and 81 00:05:21.600 --> 00:05:26.199 when nobody said anything. I then convinced myself that, Okay, maybe my 82 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:29.279 mum's in on this, but I'll wait till the bus starts and my mom 83 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:31.360 picks me up, and maybe she don't say something, and I'm pullost even 84 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:34.920 on the camping trip. So I'm not sure why that would have made sense, 85 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:39.680 but when she d never mentioned anything, it blew my mind a little 86 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:44.240 bit. The weird thing about this story is that for years and years after 87 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:46.560 this event, it completely was a race from my memory, like I never 88 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:49.519 thought about this, I never retold this story. It was just like it 89 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:56.079 never happened. And then, in my late twenties early thirties, just at 90 00:05:56.120 --> 00:06:00.079 work like any other day, this memory just me like a bomb. It 91 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:03.480 was as vivid as any memory that ever had growing up, and I remembered 92 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:06.000 everything. I remember the way that this creature looked at me, and I 93 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:10.720 remember the way that it was through the woods, how sunny that day was. 94 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:14.920 I even remember how weird its feet looks as it brushed past these little 95 00:06:14.959 --> 00:06:17.240 white flowers that were spreading up through the forest flows. It was a very 96 00:06:17.360 --> 00:06:21.639 vivid memory that I had of this thing looking at me, and what through 97 00:06:21.680 --> 00:06:26.560 the woods can you go into detail about the way this thing looked. Can 98 00:06:26.600 --> 00:06:30.600 you talk about the details of are we talking like a sasquad sort of creature? 99 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:32.240 Are we talking about something else here? Just give us a little bit 100 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:36.959 more detailed as far as what you saw. Yes, I'll explain to you 101 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:41.199 as well how I transitioned from this to the quickest side of things. But 102 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:45.279 this is creature. When I first went, when his memory first came back 103 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:47.319 to me, obviously I didn't know what to tape in, so I just 104 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:53.319 started with what I saw. I started taking in green man or green creature, 105 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:57.439 and eventually I came across what looked like a reptilian i'd been. Now, 106 00:06:57.480 --> 00:07:00.879 this thing didn't have scales like what people probably imagine. It was just 107 00:07:00.879 --> 00:07:05.920 a really green, dark olive skin swiming with very small heads, black eyes, 108 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:10.920 and the head was way out of proportion to the rest of his body. 109 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:14.439 It's a very small head. One thing that always stuck with me from 110 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:17.399 that day is why did this creature that saw me? Why did it not 111 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:20.839 freak out as a young child running up with this embank when that box had 112 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:26.399 taken it by surprise, didn't expect the bustcle over where we did. Why 113 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:29.879 did it not freak out. It was so calm, it was so collected, 114 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:32.759 it almost knew. The impression I got is that it almost knew I 115 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.600 wouldn't bros screaming. Now, I don't know how it would know that, 116 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:40.680 but the minute we locked eyes and made eye contact, it just put its 117 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:43.839 head back down and carried on walking in the same direction. And yeah, 118 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:46.920 I've always found that very strange. But the reason I now get out into 119 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:51.360 these hot spots in the UK and investigate strange phenomenon like cryptids in the UK, 120 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:57.120 wild man UFOs and things like that, is because during about research and 121 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:01.639 trying to find out maybe what the hell is was I saw I found that 122 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.199 a lot of people here in the UK are seeing what would essentially be the 123 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:09.680 UK version of a bigfoot. To me, that just didn't make sense. 124 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:13.240 We live on an island. A lot of the landscape here, a lot 125 00:08:13.279 --> 00:08:16.879 of geography here has been explored many times. We had the Vikings lived here, 126 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:20.120 that the Romans tumors, the Normans. There's not an area of land 127 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:26.319 really here that you can step on that hasn't been stepped on a thousand times. 128 00:08:26.360 --> 00:08:28.720 To accept that idea that big foot was in here just it didn't sit 129 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:33.320 right with me. And then when I started speaking more to abductees and people 130 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:39.120 that have had extrapress Hill encounters, some of these creatures wasn't just great creatures. 131 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.159 There wasn't green like the stereotypical aliens that we see. Some of them 132 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:46.440 did hasper, some of them were tall, some of them did look like 133 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:50.279 Chewbacco, And there was a whole range of extra tressholds that have been seen 134 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:54.360 on his craft and people that were talking to, and that really is what 135 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:58.360 bridged the gap. And I started to think, how do we know what 136 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:03.080 kind of extra treasholds have We always assume that they're little great creatures with big 137 00:09:03.120 --> 00:09:09.159 black rap around eyes, but they could come in a whole range of appearances. 138 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:11.600 And maybe these creatures that people have been seeing here in you here that 139 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:16.240 resemble a big buss, maybe it's not. Maybe it's an extra thructural of 140 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:20.679 some kind, or maybe it's interdimensional, or maybe there's a paranormal aspect to 141 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:24.080 it where it can just slip in and now our existence. I don't think 142 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:28.320 they're situated permanently. I don't think that they were an undiscovered species. I 143 00:09:28.360 --> 00:09:33.360 do think that there is another elements of these things. It's definitely an interesting 144 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:37.879 take on it because I've talked to so many people that have said there's no 145 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:43.200 way these things could exist as a biological species, as a flesh and blood 146 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.840 creature. In the UK, I've also talked to people who have had very 147 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:50.519 flesh and blood like encounters with these things. Daniel Barnett comes to mind. 148 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.639 Daniel is a young researcher over in the UK who found some footprints that look 149 00:09:54.879 --> 00:10:00.399 very much sasquatch like if you're comparing it to what we see over here in 150 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:03.720 North America and sent off the DNA and it came back Old World Monkey and 151 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:09.000 some other weird sort of DNA. So that's a very physical thing. So 152 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:13.320 I've always straddled that line of I believe that at least the North American sasquatch. 153 00:10:13.360 --> 00:10:18.840 I'm still I'm about eighty five percent there on these creatures exist in a 154 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:22.039 physical form over here. And I straddle that fence because I do have a 155 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:28.120 lot of conversations with people who have a lot of strange, high strangeness, 156 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:31.200 sort of the woo of Bigfoot, if you will, type of encounters that 157 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:35.559 would tend to point you in the direction of maybe these things. There's more 158 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:41.360 to them. But I've also, as a researcher and somebody who's really been 159 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:43.519 into the subject, I've had to pick a lane, if you will, 160 00:10:43.960 --> 00:10:48.399 to yeah my research, and I've always picked the flesh and blood lane of 161 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:54.799 I think this is an undiscovered biological creature, some sort of relic tomanoid or 162 00:10:54.960 --> 00:11:01.600 relict tomin end possibly in the North American space. But you can't discount those 163 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:05.039 other strange experiences. I was just talking to Wayne, my co host over 164 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:09.200 on that Bigfoot podcast a couple of days ago. We were talking about a 165 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:13.639 scenario where I had a guy on from Tennessee. His name's Darryl, pretty 166 00:11:13.799 --> 00:11:18.240 well known in the bigfoot community. He's had quite a few experiences. He 167 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:22.200 had some really strange things happened to him on an investigation where he's looking for 168 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:26.600 bigfoot on these people's property. They had sort of a habituation situation and it 169 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:28.200 was aggressive, so they were really trying to He and his research partner, 170 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.240 we're trying to help these people get rid of the bigfoot. If you will. 171 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:35.720 You see some orbs while they're out on an investigation, and one of 172 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:41.200 these orbs starts floating towards him and his research partner. There's no way around 173 00:11:41.240 --> 00:11:45.200 it. He said, the orb turned into a possum. It sounds comical 174 00:11:45.240 --> 00:11:48.639 to even say it out loud, but this is a He's pretty much a 175 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:52.440 flesh and blood researcher, and he's telling me. Look, I know you're 176 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:54.559 going to think I'm crazy dude when I tell you this, but this orb 177 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.000 turned into a possum right in front of me. That's not a flesh and 178 00:11:58.039 --> 00:12:03.000 blood thing, right, So it's difficult for me when I'm pushing down the 179 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:07.639 lane of flesh and blood, to reconcile that. And I used to separate 180 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:11.919 that stuff as an investigator. I'm almost five hundred episodes into Sasquatch Odyssey, 181 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:16.039 and I've talked to a bunch of people who have had strange things going on, 182 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:20.200 sometimes simultaneously with bigfoot and experiences. Sometimes it was just before or just 183 00:12:20.320 --> 00:12:24.759 after, and I used to separate those and say, there's no way that 184 00:12:24.840 --> 00:12:26.799 could be involved in the Sasquatch part of this. I think you just have 185 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.720 strange lights and maybe these UFOs that are happening that you're seeing, and you 186 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:35.919 might have bigfoot experiences and encounters going on at the same time. But it's 187 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:39.679 harder and harder each day for me to separate the two. How do you 188 00:12:39.759 --> 00:12:43.879 handle that when you go out and do your investigations. Are you just completely 189 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:48.120 open mind to the fact that this may not be a flesh and blood phenomenon, 190 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:54.720 it's more of a supernatural, possibly interdimensional, it's connected to extraterrestrials. 191 00:12:54.799 --> 00:12:58.120 Is that sort of how you approach this as you go out and investigate it 192 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:01.000 is? And on my channel on the start, as what I talked about 193 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:05.159 a lot there is that I'm open to being wrong at any point if it 194 00:13:05.200 --> 00:13:09.759 comes forward at any stage in time that these things are and I'd been just 195 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:11.960 as happy as everybody else. I'd be, and it would change the course 196 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:16.000 of how I operate and how I investigate. But there is no denying when 197 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:20.559 we look at the twoh phenomena, the cryptids nomena and the threshold phenomena, 198 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:24.480 there are so many crossovers between those two genres. For example, we have 199 00:13:24.639 --> 00:13:31.480 minds feet in both before the U threscial encounters. There is weird smells always 200 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:37.360 reported with abductions, and the cryptis phenomena we have orbs of light that they 201 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:43.360 can transition from both phenomena the ability to disappear without a trace is common in 202 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:48.159 both phenomena these things. It bridges the gap of the cryptids and inter treashoals 203 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:52.559 once again and strengthens the idea that there is something more to these things. 204 00:13:52.600 --> 00:13:56.000 Now they are outside influencies as well that can change my mind. Like you've 205 00:13:56.039 --> 00:14:01.240 just mentioned there in the Pacific Northwest, in that's the US and kind of 206 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:03.559 the other parts kind of the I do believe that it could be flesh. 207 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:07.639 But in those in those areas, it's hard things to investigate and explore. 208 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:11.639 For that reason, that is why our remain up in minded, because the 209 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:15.200 only reason I think it's got to be something more in your new cage, 210 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:18.279 just because of the land masks. It means you were sat here right now 211 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:22.320 having this conversation about America like I would be saying, I do believe it 212 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:26.840 could be blessed blood. There are other things as well to their in mind. 213 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:30.840 Are the cryptids working with the extra treashows that are they some kind of 214 00:14:30.960 --> 00:14:33.039 I don't want to say grown, because that means it's not even more. 215 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:37.720 Do they have an equal interest in these cryptids as we do. They might 216 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.600 not be related, or they might the cryptids might not be extra thresholds themselves, 217 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:46.879 but the extra thresholds might also know that the cryptids here on Earth and 218 00:14:46.919 --> 00:14:48.919 having an interest just as we do. So that's why they're always seemed together, 219 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:54.200 either before or after. There's so many different roads and avenues that we 220 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:56.200 can go down when when we're discussing these two subjects, I just think to 221 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:03.360 outright deny that there is some kind of relation. Is it's not a smart 222 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:05.399 new who've got it the upper minded to everything. And like I just said, 223 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:09.480 if I'm proven wrong at any point, I would be more than happy 224 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:13.519 to pull my hands up and the beat and joining the celebration with everybody else. 225 00:15:13.600 --> 00:15:16.600 But yeah, there are so many prop servers between the two on their 226 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:20.480 ipes that not entertain the idea. Yeah, I think I'm definitely right there 227 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:24.240 with you. Again, I approach it from the flesh and blood side of 228 00:15:24.320 --> 00:15:30.320 things, and I stay open minded to people's experiences because there could be some 229 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:35.480 co mingling amongst the two. I just it's very difficult for me to reconcile. 230 00:15:35.519 --> 00:15:37.919 And I'll ask you this, as an investigator, how do you deal 231 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:43.399 with talking to somebody, for example, who sees one of these things let's 232 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.320 say sasquatch, Bigfoot, or even a dog band for example, that are 233 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:52.279 doing very flesh and blood type of things hunting game. I've talked to plenty 234 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:56.279 of people who have seen what they think they're stalking deer. They clearly leave 235 00:15:56.360 --> 00:16:00.919 behind a lot of signs that are very physical, like footprints, for example. 236 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:04.519 Arguably that's probably one of the best things that we have as far as 237 00:16:04.600 --> 00:16:10.120 evidence for the existence of bigfoot, for example here in North America, is 238 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:15.279 the footprint evidence. And of course there's been photos and videos. Wayne and 239 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:18.679 I were just again where we're recording an episode of our other show, that 240 00:16:18.720 --> 00:16:22.000 Bigfoot podcast today, when we were talking about the IMAX footage from I think 241 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:26.960 two thousand and one of what looks like a purported sasquatch doing a very physical 242 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:29.320 thing, and it looks like it even has a baby on its back. 243 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:33.279 That's a very physical thing. Patty, for example, Patty is a very 244 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:36.399 physical being. If you're into the Patterson Gimblin film and you think that's a 245 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:40.080 real sasquatch, I tend to error on the side of it being a real 246 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:44.559 sasquatch in that video. It's again a very physical thing. I guess That's 247 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:48.240 the thing that's hard for me to wrap my brain around is if these things 248 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:53.279 are interdimensional or they're even connected in some way to extraterrestrials. They're seen doing 249 00:16:53.480 --> 00:17:00.000 very physical, almost mundane things in a lot of cases. As an investigator 250 00:17:00.759 --> 00:17:03.679 with an open mind, and you're going out in the field and you're talking 251 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:08.440 to people and you're investigating certain sites, how are you reconciling that and maintaining 252 00:17:08.440 --> 00:17:14.960 your open mind when it is finding very physical things left behind, tree structures 253 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:18.559 and other things that would lead you down the road of it being a physical 254 00:17:18.599 --> 00:17:22.319 creature or more of a terrestrial creature versus extraterrestrial. How do you deal with 255 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:27.039 that as an investigator? And if we consider that these cryptids could be echitrescural, 256 00:17:27.279 --> 00:17:30.839 and we're trying to, like you just said, get our minds around 257 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:36.519 the fact that they're doing very human, animalistic things that wouldn't be too much 258 00:17:37.000 --> 00:17:41.720 to had to imagine interterrestrials themselves do human things. There's a lot of abduction 259 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:45.240 stories where we hear they're interested in human anatomy. That is a very human 260 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:51.599 trick. So even if these cryptis were extrescial, the fact that they least 261 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:55.440 footprints behind the fact that they carry their young and do all things that we 262 00:17:55.480 --> 00:18:00.119 would associate with animalistic behavior. It doesn't change the back that they could be 263 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:03.240 intratrectual because, like I've just said, extra stressural to do human things. 264 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:08.079 They're interested in our nuclear silence, they are interested in human anatomy and future 265 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:11.640 of the planet. These are all very unite for it. Yeah, again 266 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.599 what I'm saying, but it's very possible that they could be both either either 267 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:21.480 completely but enzyme. They could be cryptid or animallystic in their behaviors in the 268 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:23.920 way that they do things, but they could also have an extra threshold on 269 00:18:25.000 --> 00:18:27.240 them there as well. So let's talk about some of your investigations. I 270 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:30.000 know you've done tons of stuff. You've got tons of videos over on the 271 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:34.039 four h one files. Let's talk about some of the investigations that you've been 272 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:37.440 out on. Let's talk about maybe a couple of the ones that have stuck 273 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:41.240 out to you, some of the places maybe that have stuck out, some 274 00:18:41.319 --> 00:18:44.920 of the experiences that you've had, or maybe some of the stories that have 275 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:48.359 stuck out that people have shared with you that have spurred some of your investigations. 276 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:49.759 Let's get into a little bit of that and talk about that for the 277 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:53.519 audience. Yeah. So there's a few really good potspots here in the UK. 278 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:57.079 One a of the places is place called Howard Forest. This is notorious 279 00:18:57.160 --> 00:19:02.480 or cryptic sayings, and I've spent a few days investigating there, but lots 280 00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:04.160 of strange things. You've got to remember as well. While I'm out there 281 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:10.200 investigating, I'm not purposely looking for any specific It's not like I'm going out 282 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:15.119 there with the equipment look like USOS and spread rules or specifically cryptid. I'm 283 00:19:15.119 --> 00:19:19.039 out there in these hotspots where reports are coming in in the hope of experiencing 284 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:23.359 something anything. So I never really go out there knowing what what to expect. 285 00:19:23.920 --> 00:19:29.240 But there has been some really good experiences from Howard Forest. For example, 286 00:19:29.240 --> 00:19:30.480 I walk up one morning. You've got to remember as well, this 287 00:19:30.599 --> 00:19:34.960 is quite a remote area even you gare. There's not many cities or town 288 00:19:36.000 --> 00:19:40.839 They're honest this location and I wake up and there's a weird structure made up 289 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:45.400 of sticks logs situated outside my tent early about ten meters await. Now, 290 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:49.480 that definitely was not there when I pitched the ten And if anybody was dragging 291 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:53.559 sticks and twigsted the forest during the night. I would have fitd that. 292 00:19:55.240 --> 00:19:57.000 And even on the footage when when you see me going in there and you're 293 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:03.119 seeing saying the ten, the ten, and pound past this certain area and 294 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:06.279 there is nothing there. It's not one or two sticks, this is a 295 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:10.680 it's huge frame that's been created stacked against the tree. Now, I have 296 00:20:10.759 --> 00:20:14.839 no idea again what that is. Is it more or streasural early and I 297 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:17.559 have no idea. I can just report on what i'd find, but obviously 298 00:20:17.640 --> 00:20:21.839 that is very strong in the cryptic Doom and his stick structures, tree structures, 299 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:25.720 things like that. There was another scenario where I was pigeon the tenter 300 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:30.119 and I heard this really weird whirling sound. It was almost as if you 301 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:33.519 could just grab the cable and started to with the cable around you know how 302 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:37.839 it could through the wind. And you can clear up here this very clearly 303 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:41.680 coming through the woods. It wasn't wind. The forest was completely silent at 304 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:45.880 this point. There was no birds whistling, there was no leaves rustling. 305 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:49.519 But this whirling sound couldn't through the forest. Was very creepy and in fact, 306 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:52.799 all the heads on the back of my arm stood at this point, 307 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:55.559 so I climb back out of the tent as I'm turning my sleeping back in 308 00:20:55.640 --> 00:20:59.799 and I just sit there at two minutes listening to the forest. And I 309 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.319 have no idea which direction this was going from or where it was being generated 310 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:07.200 from, but it was very creepy, had me on edge. So I 311 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:11.240 stand then in the middle of the forest. This noise eventually dies down and 312 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:17.160 I heard a very distinct whistle. It was a whistle that this went. 313 00:21:17.880 --> 00:21:22.240 And I can't tell you how scared I was at this point, but it 314 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:26.119 was off the chart. I was absolutely terrified. Now my first thought was, 315 00:21:26.599 --> 00:21:27.960 oh my god, there's a dog off Someone's walked through the forest of 316 00:21:29.039 --> 00:21:30.880 that dog off the lead, and they realized that. I heard there trying 317 00:21:30.880 --> 00:21:34.480 to whistle this dog back. But I never heard nothing. I didn't hear 318 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:38.519 a human being walking through the forest. I didn't hear anybody calling a dog. 319 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:41.640 I didn't even hear the dog if it was. It was just me 320 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:45.119 on my own in the middle of nowhere I heard this. I've never heard 321 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:48.200 an animal, never heard a bird or any of the animal make a noise 322 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:52.559 like that. But yeah, all through that night. In fact, obfuly 323 00:21:52.599 --> 00:21:55.200 that week while I was investigating them, very strange things happened. I'm not 324 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:57.920 a mutually a believer in doing tree notes or anything like that, but on 325 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:03.119 this particular an investigation, I just thought, for a lot, I'll do 326 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:07.000 a huge tree knocks. Now. I had responses straight away to doing this, 327 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:11.400 which lead me away because I wasn't expecting anything. And stay tuned for 328 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:21.519 more sasquatch Ota sy We'll be right back after these messages. So scenarios like 329 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:25.240 that, when I go out and I investigate and I get results like that, 330 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:29.319 it makes me think, is there really something marveling on here? Is 331 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:32.359 there something that people answering because not everybody can be lying. I think we 332 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:36.039 all agree on that, But what is doing this is not natural to hear 333 00:22:36.720 --> 00:22:38.920 those kinds of things. Are experience that kind of stuff. So yeah, 334 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:42.000 it leaves me with a lot of locked questions. I'm right there with you. 335 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:47.000 I've had experiences that I can't explain in the woods here on our land 336 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:52.880 and radium with Todd standing last year in October wood knocks whistles, whoops, 337 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:57.960 what sam did like Samurai cheddar that I can't explain. And I've yet to 338 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:03.400 see anything thing physical to go along with that, outside of seeing tracks standing 339 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:08.680 in areas, particularly in Radium, where there was something heavy clearly there there 340 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:14.839 was what looked like seventeen eighteen inch foot prints in the mosque there in the 341 00:23:14.839 --> 00:23:21.160 ground. I've cast prints here on my property in North Carolina and heard vocalizations 342 00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:23.200 that are similar to some of the stuff that I heard in Radium. So 343 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:26.440 I don't know. It's what keeps me coming back. Man, in your 344 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:32.160 investigations, has there been an experience, whether it was earlier on, you 345 00:23:32.200 --> 00:23:34.160 mentioned something about living in a haunted house. I can relate to that. 346 00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.839 I lived in a couple of hundred houses as a kid. That's got my 347 00:23:37.000 --> 00:23:41.160 interest peaked at an early age in some of the unknown things. And certainly 348 00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:44.480 i'd love for you to talk about some of that, if you're okay with 349 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:48.559 doing that. But even from those experiences earlier on, seeing what you saw 350 00:23:48.599 --> 00:23:52.119 when you were ten, and now going out and doing these investigations, is 351 00:23:52.160 --> 00:23:56.200 there anything that has stuck out to you as far as an experience or something 352 00:23:56.240 --> 00:24:02.519 that you've seen or evidence that you've found that point in a direction of Okay, 353 00:24:02.640 --> 00:24:04.359 there is definitely something going on here that makes me want to dig a 354 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:08.720 little bit deeper into the subject. Yeah, so I've got a few stories 355 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:12.480 if here don't mind me telling them, are sharing up with your listeners. 356 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:17.920 My first UFO sens so where my main stomping ground of where I investigated is 357 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:22.079 an area. It's five hundred and fifty four square mile area called the North 358 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:26.960 Yauction Moos and smack bang in the middle of the North yuch Mos is a 359 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:30.279 military base shrouded in mystery itself, like it's a top sequet military base. 360 00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:34.640 I think it's actually American run. It's called Aria Filing Dales. Now. 361 00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:41.319 The motto for Arid Filing Dales is videolamates, which means we are watching mysteriously 362 00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:45.119 creely enough. But yeah, all around this base in the huge area, 363 00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:48.480 one of the biggest hot spots in the UK have a very stranger reports and 364 00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:52.799 one of the reports is obviously i UFOs sightings. Me and my brother had 365 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:56.640 gone up to a place called Blamboroughhead. It's like literally on the coastline of 366 00:24:56.759 --> 00:25:00.799 the UK. You're looking right out across and O Sea. We've gone up 367 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:06.759 there hoping to see some strange lights people have been report. We never expected 368 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:08.519 to see anything because it was our first time there, and that would just 369 00:25:08.559 --> 00:25:12.480 be unbelievable. We sat out for about two or three hours. We had 370 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:17.319 the chairs pulled up on the coast class, just looking out to see them, 371 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:18.319 and it was starting to get really cold, as it does on the 372 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:22.839 coastline. So we decided, look, we've not seen anything. Let's just 373 00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:25.559 get back to the van. Let's get back out there. And on the 374 00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:29.400 footpath, going back to when the vand was part, we saw these four 375 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:33.759 and the lights dressing across the sky. Now they were evenly spread apart, 376 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:40.279 very bright amber, and they blinked out and then reappeared further along in the 377 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:44.480 sky, blinked out, and then again reappeared, always going in the same 378 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:47.359 line of the same amount of travel. So I saw, originally this could 379 00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:48.400 be a playing that's just fall five for a second, it could be a 380 00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:52.480 plane. And then it did something really weird because it blinked out and where 381 00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:56.839 it should have appeared it had now gone back on itself. It blinked then 382 00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:00.960 and it was like zig zagging across the sky. The impression I got at 383 00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:06.559 the time was that weather's flying this plane is extremely confused. They don't know 384 00:26:06.599 --> 00:26:08.720 what they're doing. Their planes out of control or they're just lost. And 385 00:26:08.799 --> 00:26:11.720 as we stood there, none of us said a word. There's no conversation 386 00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:15.559 taking place between me and my brother at this point. We're just looking at 387 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:19.680 this weird display happening in front of us, with these lights in the sky, 388 00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:26.680 and with that, two fighter planes switched above our heads, and this 389 00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:29.880 thing that we've been watching that just shot out to sea, and it must 390 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:32.599 have been about twenty miles out to see. Within the blank of an eye, 391 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:37.119 this fighter plane, these two fight brains rolled across our heads in the 392 00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:41.160 same direction, chasing these lights out to see now, when they got out 393 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:44.960 to when the horizon would have been out of sea, these lights disappeared, 394 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.559 and obviously the engines of the fight brain died out. We both stood there, 395 00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.440 absolutely and completely amazed. None of us said the words, but for 396 00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:56.279 a good minute or team we were just like, what the hell was that? 397 00:26:56.680 --> 00:27:00.160 And then as we stood there, literally the only cloud in the sky 398 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:07.039 at this time above us, these four lights emerged eerily from this cloud. 399 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:11.920 It was the most bizarre, surreal thing I've ever seen in my life. 400 00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:15.839 And they went across the sky a little bit and then it disappeared, and 401 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:18.039 we never saw them again, but we never saw those lights come back. 402 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:22.880 When they appeared them about our heads. We didn't see them make the return 403 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:26.680 journey back to that crowd. It just appeared. And we spoke about this 404 00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:30.279 all the way home in the van, adrenaline running through our bodies, and 405 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:34.559 I said, you know what I think happened. I think that whatever those 406 00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:38.799 lights were, they knew that those fighting planes were inbound, and they was 407 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:41.519 trying to figure out what their next move would be. And that's why it 408 00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:45.440 was going backward to the ballwards because of the very last minute they darted out 409 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.400 to sea and then lo and behold, these two fighting plans come in the 410 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:52.279 same direction, chasing them out. So yeah, very weird. Well that 411 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:57.599 was my first UTO experience and my only UO experience of the honest but one 412 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:00.680 has completely explode my mind. And if you want, I can dive into 413 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:06.119 some of the paranormal as well. As I mentioned at the start of our 414 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:10.200 conversation, I grew up in a very hunted house full of paranormal activity. 415 00:28:11.000 --> 00:28:12.839 One of the stories that really sticks out. First of all, let me 416 00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:17.440 just say that this house took on the progression that you see in the movies. 417 00:28:17.519 --> 00:28:21.119 But first died with people seeing a shadow in the corner of the rye. 418 00:28:21.200 --> 00:28:23.519 In that parition, things would move, things would go missing and then 419 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:27.279 turn up in an obvious place they had already been searched, like many times 420 00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:30.480 before. It was very much the way the movies should trade in that sense. 421 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:36.480 And eventually this thing, this spirit ghost, whatever it was, did 422 00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:40.640 start trying to communicate. And one of the creepiest stories, some of the 423 00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:42.359 creepy stories, came from my dad. My dad was a long distance lorry 424 00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:47.079 driver, so he was driving articulated lorries up and down the country to Scotland 425 00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.000 and back. He was awake quite a lot of my childhood with that job 426 00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:52.640 in that role. So by the time my dad would finish, everybody in 427 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.559 the house would be asleep. He'd usually turn up three in the morning for 428 00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:00.480 in the morning because his brain had been so active while driving, he couldn't 429 00:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.200 just put it to bed and switch off. He always had to hell on 430 00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:06.279 and make himself a comptee. One moore, did I get up and I'm 431 00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:08.119 on the way out of the door to school, and I look in the 432 00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.640 kitchen and my dad sat there. And that's not like my dad normally, 433 00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:15.480 he's in bed by this been out at work on it. He's very share, 434 00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:19.119 couldn't it's white. And he proceeds to tell me this story that he 435 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:23.160 came home last night and he'd gone down into the fridge to get the milk 436 00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:27.440 out, and as he did so, a female's voice over he's left there 437 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:33.000 said, now, my dad's name is Gary. So whoever this thing was 438 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.200 or whatever it was, knew my dad's name. And he said it was 439 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:40.640 so realistic, it was so believable that I actually turned around and almost said 440 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:44.480 yeah. I almost answered it, thinking that he was your mum, and 441 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:45.480 it wasn't, he said, all the hairs on the back of the next 442 00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:48.440 to U. I was bent down on the bridge, and I just I 443 00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.960 could not move, he said, because I know I heard it and all, 444 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:55.839 like I said, all heads and neckad stuff and everything. But the 445 00:29:55.839 --> 00:30:00.039 weirdest thing he said for me was knowing that something that shouldn't be here he 446 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:03.240 knows my name, and I can't get my head. I can't wrap my 447 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:07.000 head on that. That was one experience that my dad's had. If we 448 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:10.000 fast forward a few more years, my moment Dad at the point of going 449 00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:11.680 through a break book puts him at the boat. So my dad's actually now 450 00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:15.720 living in the house on his own, and he'd just had new carpets laid 451 00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:21.440 throughout the house. And I don't know if you ever pulled a door against 452 00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:23.000 the newly laid carpet, but it's a very distinct sound. You can hear 453 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:26.079 it brush against the carpet. So we'd gone around the house, he'd locked 454 00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:30.240 all the windows, checked full of doors, and he got upstairs to sleep, 455 00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.559 and he said that must have only been laid there for ten to fifteen 456 00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:37.799 minutes, drifting off when the bedroom door pushed against the carpet, and he 457 00:30:37.799 --> 00:30:41.160 said, my eyes instantly bollied open. And I was laid there in the 458 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:45.000 dark, or in the house on my own, thinking someone's in the house, 459 00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.359 someone's broken him. And then now in the bedroom still have the doorway, 460 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.240 And obviously, as he's telling me this, I'm getting freaked out. 461 00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:53.319 And I said, well, what did you do next that? What did 462 00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.799 you do? He said, I didn't do anything. I laid there all 463 00:30:56.880 --> 00:31:00.039 night looking at the bedroom window away the sun's clock, just praying to God 464 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.119 that there was nobody in the house. And sure enough, when he woke 465 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.079 up and the sun did come back through the window. He turned over and 466 00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:10.559 the bedroom doll was pushed wide open against the new mid cap. There was 467 00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.160 nobody there, so somebody had walked in the bedroom to the foot of his 468 00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.799 bed. And yeah, there was nice, but these stories are coming. 469 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.039 It wasn't just me, wasn't my dad or my mom. It was friends 470 00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:26.279 of the family. There was also having experiences in the house. We went 471 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:30.720 away on a family holiday once and we left because we had a dog at 472 00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:33.920 that time. The dog was called bouncer building Labrador. We had my auntie 473 00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.680 come over and let the dog out. The dog while we was away on 474 00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:41.480 this holiday. We must have only been away a week, and she rings 475 00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:45.400 that MoMA hysterically crying, you're gonna have to come back. You're gonna I'm 476 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:47.119 sorry, I can't do that. You're gonna have to come back. I 477 00:31:47.160 --> 00:31:49.680 can't look after the dog anymore. So my mum eventually calmed down and off 478 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:53.160 to the bottom of what happened, and she said that she was all the 479 00:31:53.240 --> 00:32:00.519 way upstairs and she couldn't move past a certain point on the stairs to what 480 00:32:00.519 --> 00:32:02.400 do you mean you couldn't ink past? What do you mean you could move? 481 00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:07.119 He said, it was like somebody was pushing me back, and I 482 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:08.960 kept trying to lift my leg to go up a step further, and I 483 00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:13.440 couldn't do it. The dog was going crazy. Scrapped in at the door 484 00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:16.440 back in. Yeah, after about two or three extemps, she realized and 485 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:20.720 I was like, this is really not right. She ran out of the 486 00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.839 house and never went back. It was just a really creepy place to live. 487 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:27.000 And even now I'm thirty seven years old, even though I went every 488 00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:30.039 at least once a month and have a nightmare, I'm back in the house 489 00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:35.720 and the nightmares aren't always prepeed. There's not stuff chasing me or jumping out 490 00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:38.240 of me. Sometimes it's just me in that house in the dark and I'm 491 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:42.920 stood there, but I wait with sweating and terrified. And Yeah, it 492 00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:45.599 was creepy time of my life. It definitely sounds like it, man. 493 00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:50.519 I can definitely relate to being in a creepy house at an early age, 494 00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:52.920 and that stuff sticks with you. Man. It's hard to explain if nobody's 495 00:32:52.960 --> 00:33:00.039 ever experienced that kind of terror that comes with the unknown voice and scratching and 496 00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:07.000 walking and opening doors and things disappearing. It's just a really eerie experience that 497 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:09.680 frankly, not a lot of people get to go through and it clearly has 498 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:15.000 spurned you on to investigate look into this more. You started your show the 499 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:19.240 four oh one Files. Let's talk about that. Let's talk about what people 500 00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:22.119 can expect when they go over there. What kind of videos do you do, 501 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:24.079 how do you approach your investigations, and when they check it out, 502 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:28.400 what can they expect to find on the four oh one files. Yeah, 503 00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:32.039 so online videos I get out, I don mini style documentary videos that really 504 00:33:32.039 --> 00:33:36.400 one. I hit quite polished videos of me getting out into these hot spots, 505 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:40.519 and I go out there on my own right solo wildcamp in these hot 506 00:33:40.519 --> 00:33:45.200 spots, and I talk about things that are quite thought provoking. Miami is 507 00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:50.279 too spy curiosity with people that maybe are on the fence. I want people 508 00:33:50.319 --> 00:33:52.839 to leave my channel and think, actually, what he said I don't agree 509 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.799 with, but he's got a point. That's the kind of impact that one, 510 00:33:55.880 --> 00:34:00.359 because there ranks so many different possibilities out there that we can't just gidging 511 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:05.640 whole ourselves. And the aim of my channel, the content where I come 512 00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:10.079 trip most of my energy and time is the UFBO encrypted phenomena. Sometimes it's 513 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:14.719 solely just about cryptids. Sometimes it's sly, just like UFOs. Sometimes I 514 00:34:14.800 --> 00:34:17.679 property over, but it's always creepy. It's always me out there and I 515 00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:22.159 don't jump again, I don't. I don't fake anything if nothing happens. 516 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:25.119 But one thing you will get from my videos is all the rookie content, 517 00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:29.800 stuff that you'll go away with and sit back and be able to think goo. 518 00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:31.760 Hi guys, thank you for joining me back here again on the four 519 00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:36.320 to one files. I'm gonna do another fill of video for you. What 520 00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.440 I'm going to chat to you today about is an experience that I had a 521 00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:44.880 few years back, so a long story show. I was asked to be 522 00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:46.599 a guest on the podcast. I was asked to attend on the podcast. 523 00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:49.800 There was going to be a panel of maybe three or four different people, 524 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:55.079 and everything felt good, like the vibe was nice. They seemed interested in 525 00:34:55.079 --> 00:35:00.199 what I do and what I talk about. So I obviously agreed, and 526 00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:04.679 no sooner I agreed, No sooner. What we went live on this podcast, 527 00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:08.039 the atmosphere was a bit different. It wasn't what I was expecting, 528 00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:13.800 and it was quite clearly obvious from the open that these people were trying to 529 00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:17.000 back me into a corner and trying to get me to say something that would 530 00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:21.920 make me look stupid. Now why they would do this, I'm not sure. 531 00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.840 But they kept going on about the big Foot, the UK big Foot, 532 00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.960 Why do I think there is a big Foot wondering undiscovered in the UK. 533 00:35:30.079 --> 00:35:31.559 And I kept happing to correct them all the time. That's not why 534 00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:36.840 I believe. I've never said for a minute that I believe there was a 535 00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:40.960 seven to eight feet nine ten feet tall creature and discovered walking around the English 536 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.800 countryside. I've never said that. Even back in the early days of the 537 00:35:45.840 --> 00:35:50.480 four to one files, when I really didn't know what direction I was heading 538 00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:57.440 in, I still always speculated they could have an extraterrestrial element, and that 539 00:35:57.519 --> 00:36:00.280 is something I've always stood by. And if it's not just terressural, would 540 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:05.719 be supernatural, interdimensional, paranormal, whatever it is. I just don't believe 541 00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:09.239 that they have flesh and blood creatures undiscovered. I just don't. There has 542 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:15.559 to be something else, some underlining layer to these creatures that we don't fully 543 00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.559 in the stand right now, And for me, that was the extraterrestrial crossover. 544 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:25.199 So yeah, I kept correcting them. I kept saying Look, I 545 00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:31.000 don't believe that there is a big Foot in the stereotypical sense, a ten 546 00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:35.400 foot tall creature covered in hair walking around at some discovering. I don't believe 547 00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:37.519 that, but they kept pushing it and pushing it. I'm thinking, have 548 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.800 they got the right guy on the podcast? Do they know what I talk 549 00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:45.440 about? What I do? And I think, like maybe twenty thirty minutes 550 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:49.920 into the podcast, it just twigged that these guys wanted a title. They 551 00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:55.679 wanted something to puke from that, something to latch onto and maybe even ridiculo 552 00:36:55.760 --> 00:36:59.119 me over. But I wasn't going to give them that. Like I was 553 00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:01.559 just sticking to my guns, are saying, I don't think that. That's 554 00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:07.159 not why I believe. This is what I believe. But they couldn't get 555 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.079 on board with that. They couldn't get their head around the fact that I 556 00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:14.800 thought Bigfoot could be an extraterrestial. For them, it was just too weird, 557 00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:20.840 too sci fi and futuristic and a bit que key. But then when 558 00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:23.440 I said to these guys, look, I think a thousand years from now, 559 00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:28.199 do you think it's possible or likely that we might have extra tress rules 560 00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.840 living here on us alongside us. Yeah, I think that's possible. Yeah, 561 00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:36.199 okay, I think five hundred years. Do you think it's possible? 562 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:44.360 Possibly? Maybe not. So what is it that's giving you this illusion when 563 00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:47.880 it becomes acceptable as to when it doesn't. Because you've said that five hundred 564 00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:52.800 years is maybe, but one thousand years is probably definitely. Why is it 565 00:37:52.880 --> 00:38:00.480 that now we can't have extra terrestrials living amongst us? Because when they're okay, 566 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:05.000 now where five hundred years or a thousand years, we don't have no 567 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.079 say in it. They're not here because we've said, come on, it's 568 00:38:07.119 --> 00:38:12.199 fine, now you can arrive. They're here because they want to be here. 569 00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:15.280 And so I try to explain to these guys that your only reason for 570 00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:22.960 disbelieving the extraterrestrials could be living right here, right now amongst the humans is 571 00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:28.440 based on a human factor's and that is a stereotypical thing that we humans do 572 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:32.280 a lot. We are very entailed. For example, when we first started 573 00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:37.000 looking to the heavens to space, we believe that everything evolved around us. 574 00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:42.639 Again, it's a very entitled viewpoint. We think that we are God's will 575 00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:49.360 only chosen children. Again, a very entitled viewpoint, And when I put 576 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:52.400 it to them in this way, like why tell me why you think they 577 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:54.000 can't be here now? But in five hundred years possibly, and in a 578 00:38:54.039 --> 00:39:00.239 thousand years most definitely. Your reasoning is based on what we're doing. But 579 00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:04.559 for their actually treasures that come in here, they don't care. They couldn't 580 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:07.239 care less what we're doing. If they want to be here, they will 581 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.599 be here. It doesn't matter what you're think, what you believe, what 582 00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:15.920 stage have advancements we're at, if they're coming, and that's that. So, 583 00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:22.119 Yeah, they didn't seem to like this approach for me. They didn't 584 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:25.480 seem to like the fact that I saw this far outside the box. But 585 00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:29.679 I guess I'm just trying to send this message to you, guys, is 586 00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:35.679 that you're going to meet people who have not only different opinions, but you're 587 00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:37.440 going to meet people that try and get you to say things that you don't 588 00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:40.760 want to say. Now, if you do believe that Bigfoot is a flashionable 589 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:45.400 creature, stick to that. You have your beliefs, your own personal experiences 590 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:50.920 throughout life have led you to that opinion, and they're yours and yours only. 591 00:39:51.440 --> 00:39:54.920 Stick to why you believe what you're saying is true. Don't ever let 592 00:39:54.960 --> 00:40:00.159 anybody bring you down trying back you into a corner. If the season it 593 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:02.760 maybe you don't believe. And sometimes you're going to get people that laugh at 594 00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:07.760 you poke funny, and I've had that a lot, but I always have 595 00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:12.960 the last laugh because as times change and new things come forward, whether you're 596 00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:17.719 on the news or in newspapers about the subjects, it's always swaying more in 597 00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:22.039 favor of what I've always said. These things are real, they do exist. 598 00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:25.840 You go back ten, fifteen, twenty years ago, people would shut 599 00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:31.440 you down straight away about talking of anything like extra threasturild has been related to 600 00:40:31.559 --> 00:40:37.039 cryptids. Now it's a possibility, and in fifty years again, like the 601 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:42.039 people this podcast said, more people will believe it's even more likely, and 602 00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:46.960 further on from that, people will undoubtedly know that they exist. So stick 603 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:50.679 to your guns. Will ever be pushed into a corner. And what you 604 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.440 believe is yours and yours only. You don't need to try and convince anybody. 605 00:40:53.719 --> 00:40:58.800 You don't need to build up a following of people that believe the same 606 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.239 way you do. You'll believe unique to you and that's what makes us special. 607 00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:05.159 That is definitely the truth, folks. I will link to it in 608 00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:07.559 the show notes. To make sure you check out the four oh one files. 609 00:41:07.559 --> 00:41:10.079 Go over there, subscribe, hit that notification button. Show been some 610 00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:14.199 love and support the channel, man. I really appreciate you coming on and 611 00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.599 sharing your experiences and had a blast talking to you. Yeah you too as 612 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:20.039 well, because I'm a longtime fan as well. I know I've not mentioned 613 00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:22.599 it, but I'm a huge fan of the s That's Watch to See podcast. 614 00:41:22.599 --> 00:41:25.199 How I listened to it for many years and you having me. I 615 00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:31.440 definitely appreciate him. They say, you don't gotta go home, but you 616 00:41:31.679 --> 00:42:08.639 can't stay out. Joy this chod, that child, everything calling R get 617 00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:16.800 back, bring back joy for me? Joy stay right, you come it 618 00:42:17.039 --> 00:43:30.039 right away. Step steps, steps, conducting, do do dossssts us STISSSSS