WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.199 --> 00:00:08.839 You're watching Your Worst Friend Going Deeper Season five. Today's guest legendary adult film 2 00:00:08.880 --> 00:00:16.160 director Jim Powers. Here's your host, Matt and Shane. You're watching YWF 3 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:19.440 Going Deeper Season five. I'm Matt and I'm joined today by my lovely co 4 00:00:19.519 --> 00:00:23.120 host Shane. What's up? Go to Your Worst Friend dot com see all 5 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:27.280 of our other interviews, and follow us on Twitter and Instagram at Worst Friendcast. 6 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:30.559 Today, Ladies and gentlemen, we're joined by very special guests. You 7 00:00:30.640 --> 00:00:36.039 might know him as the director of such cinematic masterpieces as American book Cocky Series, 8 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:40.960 Liquid Gold Series and the Guttermouth series and the Girl Vert series. I 9 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:44.960 threw an extra hand in there by accident. He's directed former guests of ours 10 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:50.719 Sarah j Anna fox K Lovely. You find him on Twitter at Jim Powers 11 00:00:50.960 --> 00:00:55.560 xxx. And for links to everything we're going to talk about today, you 12 00:00:55.600 --> 00:00:59.600 can check out the episode description below. Ladies and gentlemen join us in welcoming 13 00:00:59.679 --> 00:01:03.679 to the show the legendary director Jim Powers. Jim, thank you very much 14 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:07.040 for coming on with us tonight. Thanks for having me so as I was 15 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:11.519 telling you before the show started, Shane and I are right around the age 16 00:01:11.640 --> 00:01:17.719 where you know, we got the first America online, you'd get the discs 17 00:01:17.719 --> 00:01:21.760 in the mail, and then right after that step is when you could really 18 00:01:21.799 --> 00:01:32.040 start hitting websites hard, okay and else hard too. I'm sure I would 19 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:34.519 you. Are you one of those people that say every day I wake up 20 00:01:34.640 --> 00:01:38.040 is my prime? Or do you think maybe that was your prime back then? 21 00:01:38.799 --> 00:01:41.000 Oh? God, I didn't think it was my prime at the time. 22 00:01:41.359 --> 00:01:46.480 I just keep on stumbling through life. So I don't think it's any 23 00:01:46.480 --> 00:01:49.120 different nowadays. For the most part, I think it was a little crazier 24 00:01:49.159 --> 00:01:52.560 back then, the type of stuff you were doing, so it was it 25 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:55.480 was just a different world. But you know, things changed. The more 26 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:57.400 changes, the more it stays the same. So for sure, for sure. 27 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.719 So how did you, and I've done a little background research before the 28 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:07.040 audience, how did you initially get into the industry. I started out we 29 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:12.599 were going to make kickboxing videos, and it started out and it's you've heard 30 00:02:12.599 --> 00:02:15.840 the story, but it's a long story. Short ends up being with my 31 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:19.719 partners goes, we can't go into business with this guy. He used to 32 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:23.400 shoot porn movies. There's no way we can be involved with them. Why 33 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:25.479 he goes, well, that's the mafia, you know, and the mafia 34 00:02:25.560 --> 00:02:29.039 runs porn. So I'm like, oh, that makes sense, let's not 35 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:34.439 get into porn. And ending one leads to another and one there, and 36 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:38.360 we started making porn movies because one of the distributors that was going to handle 37 00:02:38.360 --> 00:02:42.039 that when we put out the kickboxing thing said you guys should be informed. 38 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:45.599 So we set up a distributor ship. It didn't really work out, so 39 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:47.599 I headed back to California. This is back in Florida, back in nineteen 40 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:53.520 ninety with Buck Adams. You might remember Buck Adams. Sure, he's a 41 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:57.680 director in the eighties. He's Amber Lyn's brother. That's who he is. 42 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:00.240 Okay, he's been dead for a while. And so anyway, we came 43 00:03:00.280 --> 00:03:04.319 out to California to shoot our first movie, which was a thirty five millimeter 44 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:09.280 film, My first movie. Okay, hey, how to pull this thing 45 00:03:09.319 --> 00:03:14.159 off the screen or does it stay up there? This meeting is being recorded 46 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:16.680 and I pulled out. I think you just hate got it? I don't 47 00:03:16.719 --> 00:03:23.879 know, I got it wonderful. There you go. So, I mean, 48 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:25.800 were you always like a creative guy where you're interested? I know you 49 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:29.439 were back you were in a band back in the day, right, has 50 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:31.439 that always just been your thing? Yeah? You still are. Yeah, 51 00:03:31.439 --> 00:03:36.840 that's true. I should check out Kilroy. We're on iTunes and have a 52 00:03:36.840 --> 00:03:39.439 bunch of albums. I played some for Shane before we got you on here 53 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:43.560 today. Well you played me like twelve seconds. Well it was on Yeah, 54 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:45.840 it was on iTunes, like the preview thing, and I was like, 55 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:49.319 that sounds pretty good. Yeah, I like that brutalized. Listen to 56 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:52.080 the new one, brutalized. Okay, there you go, we'll check it. 57 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.280 Maybe maybe next time, I don't pick one from nineteen eighty four. 58 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:58.360 I was trying to give you the real feel. I was trying to get 59 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:00.120 you, like, you know, a real sense of show was back in 60 00:04:00.159 --> 00:04:03.759 the day. I wanted to eventually show you the progression and the evolution of 61 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:08.599 this gentleman here. Okay, it's still the same, nothing has changed. 62 00:04:10.199 --> 00:04:13.039 Yeah, that's Shane and I from high school. Pretty much the same thing. 63 00:04:13.560 --> 00:04:17.800 Six songs from back then. Yeah yeah, yeah. Now when you 64 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:21.240 grow up, you're getting closer to death. So don't grow up. It's 65 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:26.800 just how I've always seen it, exactly, and your way through life. 66 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:31.480 So again, was this did you get like embedded in the industry and you 67 00:04:31.519 --> 00:04:34.040 started to really fall in love with it or was it a great way for 68 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:36.480 you to make money and you realized you were good at it and you were 69 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:40.519 able to do it. Did you like the industry when you first got into 70 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:44.680 it. Okay, everything for me in the beginning was very accidental. I 71 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:48.439 really wasn't trying to become a pornographer. So I did this movie with Block 72 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:51.879 and I go that was it was a one off thing. What was the 73 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:55.560 point of this. It's not like I want really wanted to be in porn 74 00:04:55.639 --> 00:05:00.560 that bad, and it's kind of like everything. It's like every in porns. 75 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:02.560 The first couple of years with most part was accidental for me. So 76 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:05.839 we make this movie. So now I'm back in La I get a job. 77 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:10.319 So I started working for this guy, you know, being a pitchman 78 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:13.519 for you know, funding for loans. And my boss I told me, 79 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:15.920 yeah, I made this porn once, and this crazy boss I had, 80 00:05:15.959 --> 00:05:19.199 He goes, really, you know, we need to make some those amateur 81 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:23.000 movies. Could you could you? Could you get some girls down here and 82 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:27.000 film me? Because he was he ran a swinger colony or something. He 83 00:05:27.040 --> 00:05:30.199 was the head guy who lived at or not Swinger Placement. Knew this colony, 84 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:32.639 and I'm like, what the fuck? But because I knew world modeling, 85 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:34.680 because I did with the one movie, I go get a couple of 86 00:05:34.720 --> 00:05:39.079 girls. I come back there and he wants me to film them in the 87 00:05:39.079 --> 00:05:43.000 office. Here I am in Huntington Beach, you know, this nice corporate 88 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:46.519 building and on a weekend I'm filming, my boss has sex with these two 89 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:49.519 porn girls. So once again, I mean, and then you know, 90 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:53.879 the story was like later that year, I just happened to be at a 91 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:58.480 van awards. I was with you know, hang out with No Effects a 92 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:00.800 lot, So it was with no effect and those guys and we just went 93 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:03.360 over to the ballets. This is just pure luck. And it happened to 94 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:08.920 be back in those days they do the awards at the valleys and everybody was 95 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:14.079 hanging at the bar, and you know, so balls in these porn people 96 00:06:14.160 --> 00:06:16.680 knew me from that one movie and they're like, yeah, man, Jum, 97 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:18.720 you need to make another movie. I'm like, hell no, the 98 00:06:18.800 --> 00:06:21.360 movie sucked. I made it cost a bunch of money. I didn't make 99 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:25.800 any money. I don't want to do it. So if you guys were 100 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:29.480 with the band strung out, but no, no, I know no effects. 101 00:06:29.480 --> 00:06:32.240 I've heard the name yeah, But anyway, I got the drummer in 102 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:34.800 me. He's like, well, look at how much can you make a 103 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:38.279 porn movie for. I could do it. I could after the amateur one. 104 00:06:38.319 --> 00:06:43.240 I keep in mind this nineteen ninety two, beginning of ninety two, 105 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:46.959 so you know, like I knew that kind of the amateur rates at the 106 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.160 time. They go, well, fuck, I could make a better porn 107 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:51.560 movie than I made for five thousand dollars. So we ended up making this 108 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:57.199 movie. One of the guys in the band another band was going to be 109 00:06:57.199 --> 00:06:59.800 the director who wrote it and everything. I was going to be the producer 110 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:01.519 it together, you know, the producer, because I never picked up a 111 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:05.480 camera and anything. And I still wasn't trying to be any you know, 112 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:10.279 there was no gym powers or anything back then. And so what happened was 113 00:07:10.480 --> 00:07:15.000 I get to the set that morning and he's an acid He took acid in 114 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:19.639 preparation laying around the ground, was laying there staring at his cigarette, and 115 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:23.279 I realized what he's doing. He's looking at the trails. I'm like, 116 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:27.720 he took acid. You have to direct this movie, you know, making 117 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:31.560 got a lot invested in this thing, right, and so I ended up 118 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:38.040 taking over directing the porn. So what was it like an easy Rider inspired 119 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:41.519 or like what what kind of porn was it? Like? Was he trying 120 00:07:41.519 --> 00:07:45.079 to get into like some sort of like was he an a tour? Like 121 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:47.839 he was an all tour? Yeah? He was? Okay? Okay? 122 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:51.839 Was he a guy who liked acid? Like? You know all right? 123 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:58.399 Was it his first time? Well? This the song? Like? Is 124 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.120 that? What was the one? I did this right about them? For 125 00:08:01.759 --> 00:08:05.560 no effects? Let me use their music to open the movie. So they 126 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:09.399 had just an S and M airlines. The movie opens with Vanilla Sacks? 127 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:13.560 Is they you know, Mike, let me put it on it. And 128 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:18.040 so this movie was about this guy who captures these girls and he wears a 129 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:22.399 TV on his head because the guy who was acting the movie was in a 130 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:24.279 band called glue Gun, and that was the shtick. On stage, he'd 131 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:28.879 wear a TV on his head and like TV, he's taking us over. 132 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:33.399 Whoever knew what it was some punk band and so they would be capturing the 133 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:37.559 people and whatever having sex. We had all these cut up things on the 134 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.960 walls, like cut up magazines and whatever. We thought it was really already 135 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:45.639 at the time, We're making this punk rock porn and a lot of these 136 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:48.840 guys are in the movie. If you ever see this old movie never he 137 00:08:48.919 --> 00:08:54.000 made it to DVD. It's like music, I know that side the Hellcats, 138 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:58.159 you know all these punk bands, or is this movie and you make 139 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:01.039 this ridiculous movie? Yeah, to get into the headspace he was gonna get 140 00:09:01.039 --> 00:09:05.600 an accident and everything because everybodought was gonna get a party there. They didn't 141 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:07.159 realize that is any work. And I've done that film, so I know 142 00:09:09.120 --> 00:09:11.600 you don't just don't do drugs and make a movie. You know, it's 143 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:16.360 not that easy. So I had to take over doing everything. I don't 144 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:22.679 know, the sixties might disagree with you. Did you see early on a 145 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:28.039 lot of porn sets devolve into parties or no. I feel like, not 146 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:31.759 not like big name, not like when you were actually in the game, 147 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:35.600 but like when you're really trying to because I feel like, I mean, 148 00:09:35.679 --> 00:09:39.720 I've shot little independent movies and it takes it takes six hours to shoot one 149 00:09:39.799 --> 00:09:45.440 scene and it's because everyone's fucking, you know, making jokes over here doing 150 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:48.879 this. By the end you're fucking holding back a tear going. We got 151 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:52.360 thirty seconds of footage over six hours. I am fucked and I don't know 152 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:58.480 what to do. Isn't that kind of the point of Boogie Nights? Well 153 00:09:58.600 --> 00:10:03.240 yeah, but horn sets themselves are not parties in Bogie Knights, right right, 154 00:10:03.320 --> 00:10:05.440 right? Like that, that's what they're kind of trying to show, 155 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:07.799 right, is like the more Mark Wahlberg tries to make it all a porn 156 00:10:07.919 --> 00:10:13.440 or a party, like the more, he's hurting his career and ruining the 157 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:16.960 shoot for everybody else. So I feel like, I mean, like by 158 00:10:16.039 --> 00:10:22.679 the nineties, you guys probably had a pretty smooth routine, Like you had 159 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:26.480 a science for shooting a porn by then, right, So anyway, I 160 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:31.360 never had any training in porn or anything. So here's so once again I 161 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:35.559 make this movie. I can't sell it. I'm like, I have nothing 162 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:37.480 to do it for him. I don't you know, I'm out of forn 163 00:10:37.519 --> 00:10:41.840 again, and I end up selling the movie. This movie at first, 164 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.879 this one, the first one speed Trap went to BCA. In this movie, 165 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:54.039 Bilsbies went to mid Here's what happened. Here's how I got going porn. 166 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:56.879 So I go into the Midnight office and I meet the main guy there, 167 00:10:56.960 --> 00:11:00.840 Kevin beachin yeah, I'm giving in the movie. He says to me, 168 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:03.720 Hey, you want to shoot some amateur for scenes from this weekend? 169 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:07.159 And I'm like, well, I don't know anything about shooting. I've never 170 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.759 picked up a camera. Because it's amateur. You just pick up a camera. 171 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:13.360 I'm like, where do I get the people? He's like, because 172 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.279 they're amateurs, right, because you just go up to people in the street 173 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:18.320 and ask them if they want to fuck. I go really, that's all 174 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:22.919 I have to do. He goes, Yeah. So at the time, 175 00:11:24.799 --> 00:11:28.519 my buddy remember jug Head's Revenge, that band that your guys are probably kind 176 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:35.240 from that era and one of the nitro bands like Offspring. Okay, yeah, 177 00:11:35.360 --> 00:11:39.840 I got him a job over at this one stop at the time, 178 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:43.960 and I tell him about this thing, and he goes because he wanted to 179 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:46.279 be in a porn and he's like, well, I got this guy over 180 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:50.200 here who can book the girls and everything for you, and he has access 181 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:54.320 to all of them. I'm like, all right now, oh my back 182 00:11:54.320 --> 00:11:58.159 to backup. The reason I got this thing is lin On Beach bumb amateurs. 183 00:11:58.919 --> 00:12:03.240 There used to be a guy in Alexander who started a company called Anabolic 184 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:09.279 Video, famous for the gang bangs Chris had just I knew Chris when I 185 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:11.360 was trying to book him in The Hills Have Thighs. He ended up not 186 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:18.360 doing it, but he quit making amateurs because Anabolic had just released their first 187 00:12:18.399 --> 00:12:20.200 two movies and was about to take off, and he didn't want to be 188 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.759 shooting the amateurs anymore, just his own stuff, because he did that famous 189 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:33.360 Debbie Diamond gang bang and Tricksy Tyler. Right away, I'm like, okay, 190 00:12:33.399 --> 00:12:35.360 so anyway, now I'm gonna shoot these amateurs I get at the time. 191 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:41.879 This is before he was David Lord's. David Lords was a salesman at 192 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:48.360 the company that too the guy from Drugheads introduced me to and because I thought, 193 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:50.519 okay, it's a beach movie. You have to shoot at the beach. 194 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:52.639 And I didn't know anything about legality or anything. So we went down 195 00:12:52.679 --> 00:12:56.000 to the beach in Ballibu and we got a bunch of people and I just 196 00:12:56.000 --> 00:13:01.120 started filming him and have sex on the beach in public show and I shoot 197 00:13:01.120 --> 00:13:03.960 the first scene and the place is starting to fill up and people are starting 198 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:07.720 to point to look at us, and I guess and my friends said we 199 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:09.559 should get out of there. So we go to another place up in the 200 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.919 Hollywood Hills. One of his clients he's dead. Now you remember the old 201 00:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.759 surfing director Dale Davis Walk on the West Side, all that stuff in the 202 00:13:18.759 --> 00:13:22.080 sixties, like he produced like Jan and Den Jan Deane were like, yeah, 203 00:13:22.440 --> 00:13:26.000 I know the name, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If 204 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:28.639 you're at all in the old surfing directors. He was one of the creators 205 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:33.559 of the surfing film yeah if you're Google. And he's a very famous surf 206 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:35.960 director. So this is how I got going importance. And we go over 207 00:13:37.000 --> 00:13:41.279 there and I shoot these amateur scenes whatever you know, and I go drop 208 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:45.320 them off and Kevin once again, he's like, oh, these are great. 209 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:46.200 I want you to shoot more. I do not. I want to 210 00:13:46.200 --> 00:13:50.480 do it. He's like, why because I lost two hundred dollars doing it. 211 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:52.440 I'm not making a career at a barn. Everything I do loses money. 212 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:56.399 I'm not going to make porn. And he goes throws five hundred dollars 213 00:13:56.480 --> 00:13:58.559 at me. But he goes, now, now you've made a three or 214 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.320 dollars prop because what he did is he took a look at the back. 215 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:05.320 In those days, we'd shot what we're called chromes. You remember chromes. 216 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:11.240 No, okay, you shot Let's say you shot thirty five millimeter film on 217 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:13.559 stills. Okay, still cameras would shoot film. In those days, we're 218 00:14:13.600 --> 00:14:18.759 shooting thirty five millimere. The chrome is like the ones that used to do 219 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.399 slide shows. I mean, I don't remember this thing, but they maybe 220 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:26.039 paper and there. You have to hold them up to a light to see 221 00:14:26.080 --> 00:14:30.639 them. Sure, in the old days, your grandparents and your guys, 222 00:14:30.639 --> 00:14:33.440 the great great grandparents would play these for you on the wall, would be 223 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:37.240 flide shows. But that's how they did it. In these days they are 224 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:39.279 called chromes, So you hold these pictures up to the light. He sees 225 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:43.240 his people fucking on the beach, because that's why he said, go shoot 226 00:14:43.240 --> 00:14:46.919 me more of them. So anyway, I went down there and shot on 227 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:52.679 the beach and ended up getting arrested. But back then, because porn had 228 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:56.720 just become legal and eighty nine, so they hit me when on felon accounts 229 00:14:56.919 --> 00:15:01.080 on pandering and conspiracy because when you arrest somebody, because that goes back to 230 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:05.039 the old al capone days, he hit conspiracy, you know, you see 231 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:07.440 all that stuffy always kind of a conspiracy charge always triples it, right, 232 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:11.960 Sure, and so that's why the and you're teamed up with somebody, so 233 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:15.480 it's worth doing crime with other people than by yourself. So you get conspiracy 234 00:15:15.480 --> 00:15:18.440 and pandering is basically being a pimp, because that's what they used to popy 235 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:24.000 on the old days. Anyway, Now I owe money into lawyers and you 236 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:30.679 know, and basically I teamed up with Dale Davis, the old surf director 237 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:35.039 where he's like he would I would get the girls, we would shoot them, 238 00:15:35.080 --> 00:15:37.639 like where he would get a blowjob from them and then they do a 239 00:15:37.639 --> 00:15:41.159 girl girl and I would cut these into my movies which will becoming the beach 240 00:15:41.240 --> 00:15:45.360 Ball Amateurs, and he would edit them and all this stuff for me. 241 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:50.120 So I was getting basically free content working at his house. And then I 242 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:52.000 ended up paying all these legal bills, and you know, after you know, 243 00:15:52.000 --> 00:15:54.519 you start getting a reputation. I had people coming to me to shoot 244 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:58.759 after that. Sure, and that's where and jam was born from that. 245 00:15:58.759 --> 00:16:02.600 That's where the whole jam things started with the days when David Lawrence was a 246 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:07.120 salesman over there for Jeff Mike who worked for Zane at the time. And 247 00:16:07.159 --> 00:16:11.120 then and this was the beginning where Jeff Mike found me this guy who would 248 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:14.960 do anything, and I became the guy who started shooting all that Jam stuff. 249 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:18.519 Okay, that was all the hockeys. All that shit came from that, 250 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:22.240 you guys. I don't I don't know if this is a touchy subject 251 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:26.679 at all, but Jam eventually got hit with an obscenity charge, right or 252 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:29.559 they tried to. Yeah, a lot of them, we had several had 253 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:34.440 four or five fucking rand Larry Flint is like one of my heroes. Uh 254 00:16:34.720 --> 00:16:38.039 just just because First Amendment rights, you know, you want to put I 255 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:41.440 one hundred percent believe in that, and I believe in it. With born 256 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:45.639 the Jam stuff, I was going through it just so I could try and 257 00:16:45.720 --> 00:16:49.440 see what I remember what I did, and there was you know, it 258 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:53.879 was classic stuff. We grew up. Really, man, Shane's gonna be 259 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:56.720 on the outside just because he doesn't know the names as much as I do. 260 00:16:57.159 --> 00:17:02.519 But like, uh, I remember the slip. It's okay, okay, 261 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:06.920 good. I grew a big on. I was a huge fan of 262 00:17:06.960 --> 00:17:15.440 the Extreme Associates line of DVDs. We were past you know, VHS's. 263 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:18.880 I don't think I ever owned a VHS, did you, Shane. I 264 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:26.160 never purchased VHS porn, but I boot I had a VHS video that I 265 00:17:26.160 --> 00:17:30.079 I would stay home from school sick some days, and then I would sneak 266 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:33.839 my stepdad's porn or my dad's porn his VHS's, and then I would take 267 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:37.160 the two v vhs or the VCRs at the same time, you know, 268 00:17:37.319 --> 00:17:41.079 sure, and copy it over forward over, and like an old movie I 269 00:17:41.119 --> 00:17:45.119 got off TBS or something. So it's say, like you know, Aladdin, 270 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:51.000 it was actually, you know, like cream Pie Queens or some shit 271 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:53.359 like that. So it's funny, Jim how you talked about how you get 272 00:17:53.359 --> 00:17:57.279 a reputation and it kind of just becomes a snowball going downhill. We were 273 00:17:57.400 --> 00:18:02.720 we do a comedy show, is what do? And we got an interview 274 00:18:02.880 --> 00:18:06.680 with a big name from the time just by reaching out on Instagram saying hey, 275 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:08.400 we were talking to interesting people, people we found interesting, And by 276 00:18:08.440 --> 00:18:14.079 that I mean a fucking nine to eleven conspiracy theorist, some Swedish guy who 277 00:18:14.160 --> 00:18:18.119 talked about fucking singularities and whatever whatever it is. We were just trying to 278 00:18:18.200 --> 00:18:25.119 rip on people, and we reached out to Gauge, who's big during that 279 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:30.200 time, and she was like, yeah, Mojo, yeah, yeah, 280 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:33.759 Well we'll talk about her in a little bit because right now, yes she 281 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:37.799 does. Yeah. And but again that was the thing. She reached out 282 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:40.960 and she said, or we reached out and we said, hey, we 283 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:42.039 want to interview. We did an interview. It was a great time. 284 00:18:44.079 --> 00:18:48.279 Grabbed a couple more people just by having a reputation of having talked to Gauge. 285 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:52.279 Erica PR rep reached out, she's wonderful. Then the other PR companies 286 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:55.240 reach out and you just all of a sudden, you go, well, 287 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:59.359 now I have a porn star interview show. Like it's weird, how it 288 00:18:59.359 --> 00:19:03.240 It kind of of not necessarily the path you set out on, but it's 289 00:19:03.240 --> 00:19:07.160 something you become successful at because I don't know, you have the grind to 290 00:19:07.200 --> 00:19:11.000 do it and it's in your wheelhouse, right, how dictators are made? 291 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:14.279 Okay, yeah, sure, you kill one guy and you go, well 292 00:19:14.279 --> 00:19:17.000 that was easy enough, right, that's where you can keep it going. 293 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:21.880 One dissident, Let's fix the world now, Jim. You were known as 294 00:19:22.000 --> 00:19:25.160 kind of like an innovative guy and the stuff you brought to this right, 295 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:34.519 Can you tell us how you brought bukkake to America? All right? Okay, 296 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:41.039 a lot of things this jam jet like love shocking everybody, and I 297 00:19:41.039 --> 00:19:45.960 would like the perfect guy to do it for him because I would just do 298 00:19:45.039 --> 00:19:48.440 these. You know, it was a weird era because I, like you 299 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:53.720 guys are younger, but like before you, right before DBDs came along, 300 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:57.440 they existed before, but they took over the market in two thousand and two. 301 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:00.440 I'll never forget what happened? Was it two? There was a two 302 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:03.400 thousand and two or two thousand and three. Literally you went from ninety percent 303 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:07.880 of your sales to vhs to twenty percent in thirty days. This is how 304 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:12.240 fast when it finally took over. Bet I know what it was, but 305 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:17.440 that's it went so fast. Because what happens is before then DVDs ha been 306 00:20:17.519 --> 00:20:19.480 out, but they used to be made with what was called a glass master. 307 00:20:19.720 --> 00:20:22.920 Do you guys remember these terms? Not glass master? No, I 308 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:27.599 don't know that glass master would cost you. Keep in mind fucking ninety set 309 00:20:27.920 --> 00:20:32.680 by ninety eight first DVDs that I remember in ninety seven ninety eight, right, 310 00:20:33.079 --> 00:20:36.680 a glass master would cost ten thousand dollars. So there's a barrier to 311 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:38.240 entry. See, there's so much form being put out that because there's no 312 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:41.640 barrier to entry. Sure you know what I mean, anybody can throw out 313 00:20:41.640 --> 00:20:45.039 of the only fans it's free to set up this time. Porn in the 314 00:20:45.079 --> 00:20:48.920 old days there was a serious barrier to entry. Like anything. There's it 315 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:52.920 costs a lot of money to put out something. Sure you could do the 316 00:20:52.960 --> 00:20:56.559 basic thing, but you got marketed. There's costs of you know, besides 317 00:20:56.599 --> 00:20:59.720 your production itself, but if you're going to distribute it, then your distribution 318 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.119 cost. Knowing people you have to keep on putting on a bunch of movies 319 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:06.279 whatever. It's called a barrier entry. So anyway, you had the DVDs 320 00:21:06.319 --> 00:21:08.880 with a ten thousand dollars costs on them, the glass masters and nobody. 321 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:12.880 The DVD thing lagged behind, and the porn companies were afraid to go full 322 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:17.559 steam into it, which are usually the first one. The early adapter is 323 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:22.039 always by porn, you know, when it comes to technology. So the 324 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:26.920 porn companies were scared to jump in it because they got their asses, had 325 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:29.599 to hand it to them. Prior to that end, the CD RHM craze, 326 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:34.039 the CD rom craise came before the DVD craze. Before that came the 327 00:21:34.119 --> 00:21:37.000 laser discs crazed from the eighties. I don't know if you remember the laser 328 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:41.079 discs about that one, now, was it? See? I went to 329 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:44.359 school for film, and by the way, when I got enough season classes, 330 00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:45.960 plenty of plenty of my teachers let me know, like, you can 331 00:21:47.000 --> 00:21:51.160 always just direct porn, which I now I find a little insulting, pretty 332 00:21:51.160 --> 00:21:55.960 corn to porn people, not to me, like, I mean, no, 333 00:21:56.119 --> 00:21:59.240 absolutely not, I'm not talented enough. But I remember it was it 334 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:02.960 VHS again, it's laser disc. No, it was, Yeah, it 335 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:07.400 was a VHS and Beta Max. It was laser disc and and I think 336 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:11.000 that was might have just been a thing that nobody gave it about, okay, 337 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:15.759 since I was like, it was VHS versus data, okay, but 338 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:19.240 it was the same basic type of thing you had, Beata. That's like 339 00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:26.400 Tesla versus every other charge car, right, you know, it's the same 340 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:32.960 basic thing. It's just like Beta was a better quality thing, but VHS 341 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:37.039 marketed better and they took over the marketplace. The Beta was ever better. 342 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:42.400 Everybody knew that, but VHS went in price recorders everything to the marketplace, 343 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:47.319 and we can talk talking about sell through and all sorts of things that change 344 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:52.839 the full game. When sell through products came into being. This is it's 345 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:56.920 because look at everything we do nowadays. And so I said, the more 346 00:22:56.039 --> 00:23:00.039 stays changes, the more it stays the same. It's all about that is 347 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:03.200 putting out you know, how are you going to distribute it? How are 348 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:08.240 you putting out the product. It's the same basic shit whether you're streaming with 349 00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:11.640 the Internet or you're putting it on you know film in the old days and 350 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:18.079 putting in theaters. But anyway, your question was when DVD vhs just got 351 00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:23.920 me while up once once they found a way that's no longer the glass masters. 352 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:27.920 They figured out to do it cheaper. It was like overnight when you 353 00:23:29.160 --> 00:23:33.359 went to just the replication runs and you're just paying your editor, the author 354 00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:36.440 and gut eight hundred bucks to do it, and then you're just running the 355 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:41.599 replication. Everybody took their old inventory, their old catalog and stuck it onto 356 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:45.240 DVD. And when it hit it was because I know, because I was 357 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:48.839 started powers build my own line at the time, even though I owned multimedia 358 00:23:48.880 --> 00:23:52.759 Beforetentorious, which end up in lawsuits and everything, and I shot for JAM 359 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.680 and other companies back in those days. I started putting on my own stuffs 360 00:23:56.720 --> 00:24:03.119 because I had to keep on shooting. It's alone as financial reasons why I 361 00:24:03.279 --> 00:24:07.519 was putting out this stuff. And by my second or third release, like 362 00:24:07.279 --> 00:24:11.240 it was all being sold on DVD. It was a crazy how fast it 363 00:24:11.359 --> 00:24:15.039 changed. It was one month. It just changed everything once the prices of 364 00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:18.720 this glass Masters disappeared. Wow, it's like the old days that you have 365 00:24:18.799 --> 00:24:22.839 to broadcast do streaming live because we were trying those days to set up internet 366 00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:27.640 and everything from our company and to be able to you know, do a 367 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:32.119 live show. You know, you know what it would cost you to have 368 00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:36.039 to do it from your house for the office? Wow? Right, T 369 00:24:36.559 --> 00:24:41.440 one modem right here? And how much was it a month? Ten thousand? 370 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:45.279 I don't know. I mean that would be a two thousand and nineteen 371 00:24:45.440 --> 00:24:48.640 ninety eight ninety nine dollars let's call it. When is that now? If 372 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:55.440 you're today's dollars not to you know, one hundred, two hundred nothing now, 373 00:24:55.759 --> 00:24:57.720 but it's probably about twenty thousand dollars a month? Oh now for all 374 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:03.000 your streaming for free and only do you mean? So there was a lot 375 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:07.680 of barriers to entry back then, so we know how we got this tangent. 376 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.039 But I guess we're setting up for whatever. The question was about what 377 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:18.440 were we doing as how you brought over various various various forms of degeneracy to 378 00:25:18.519 --> 00:25:22.160 the US, such as back. So anyway, Jeff Mike, when were 379 00:25:22.160 --> 00:25:26.160 we going to talk about these? Okay, so here's that bigcacky began. 380 00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:30.039 So Jeff Mike would always kind of come up with these things like Perverted Stories. 381 00:25:30.359 --> 00:25:33.599 I was just basically hungover. I'd been up all night. I'd left 382 00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:37.559 like a porn set. When Perverted Stories began and we used to spend a 383 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.880 lot of these things would get created start in Perverted Stories. The first BOOKACKI 384 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:48.640 was a scene in a Perverted Stories. The gut otermouth came from Perverted Stories. 385 00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:51.960 These things would be spun out of this old line called Perverted Stories, 386 00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:55.720 which used what Jeff Mike has sent me on. Because this creates something crazy. 387 00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:57.400 One weekend, you know, because I was starting to get a named 388 00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:02.359 just Biga Jim Powers whatever that I do all these things with those weirding monsters 389 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:06.319 screwing people and all those crazy people have her heads off, and yeah, 390 00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:11.680 it puts fucking women and all these the hitchhikers and fucking Stumpy and all the 391 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:15.559 alien when I did the alien autopsy video and they fuck it. This is 392 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:21.599 always a Perverten story. So anyway, I go in his office one day 393 00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:26.839 and he's got this VHS from Japan, right, this is still the VHSS 394 00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:30.079 days and he sticks He goes, Jim, you need to see this. 395 00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:34.519 He puts it in. I'll never forget this. And you see this girl. 396 00:26:34.640 --> 00:26:40.599 She's in her room, Japanese girl. We're in the Playboy with ears 397 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:45.519 right, and it's very slow and romantic, and she's just masturbating. Camera 398 00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:51.720 pulls out into a crowd and the streets surround it was like twenty five maybe 399 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:56.119 more might have been forty forty Asian guys wearing white underwear, all of them 400 00:26:56.160 --> 00:27:00.200 because Japan, right, And so I'm watching this thing when the fuck and 401 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:04.759 then all of a sudden, you hear a clap and they all rise up, 402 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:08.799 ran those from a cocky So I got second clap, they all take 403 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:14.240 off their underwear. Third clock, they throw the underwear at her and they 404 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:19.839 yelled to cocky and then they set her down and basically complete organized chaos. 405 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:25.319 But they don't say anything because they're, you know, very much in control. 406 00:27:25.759 --> 00:27:29.720 It was insane, and but it's very quiet. She just sits there 407 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:32.640 and they has come from me this sigence shoot in her face and it was 408 00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:37.680 all pixelated. It had to be pixelated because it's Japanese. And he shows 409 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:40.880 me this and I'm like, where the fuck am I going to get all 410 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:45.880 the Japanese guys, because not just get what you guys right, And I'm 411 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:49.799 like, I'm like, fuck, you know, because you'll keep in mind, 412 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:52.519 you're still if you to do male talent, they're going to want a 413 00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:56.599 lot of money. Okay, So what I did is we had this warehouse 414 00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.519 because I you know, I had the Furious at the time, and I 415 00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.559 got like, I think the very first ocockame perverted stories. It's an all 416 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.000 perverted story scene. I get like seventeen or eighteen guys. They got all 417 00:28:07.039 --> 00:28:10.480 the regular male talent they come over. I got like John Doe's in and 418 00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:12.680 Dave Harden and all those guys, Rick Masters, you know, all those 419 00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:15.599 characters from that era are in it. If you watch the very first one, 420 00:28:15.880 --> 00:28:18.640 and we did it. We did it just like they did the Japanese 421 00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:22.559 one, and then he puts it out and it gets such a good response. 422 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:25.839 He's like, Jim, we need to do it again, but it's 423 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:29.279 going to do its own line. So I figure, well, what if 424 00:28:29.279 --> 00:28:32.519 we do it weekly and I just tell the guys, they'll start building on 425 00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:37.359 itself. And I learned real fast it was it was going to cap out 426 00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:38.680 if I was using a regular male talent. So we had to bring it 427 00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:41.720 to the man on the street. We needed the average Joe to come to 428 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:48.200 these so what we had to do. And I it was during that era, 429 00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:49.799 and I think that's what started this was that crazy era. We were 430 00:28:49.839 --> 00:28:53.400 all trying to outdo each other with these world record gang bangs and shit, 431 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:59.720 if you guys remember these days, absolute and so we were all trying to 432 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:03.480 you know, And I was up against he's dead. Now I forget what 433 00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:07.200 his fucking name is, but whatever his name is, he's dead. But 434 00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:11.440 I used to compete against him. I beat his record. So if he'd 435 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:12.240 have one hundred and fifty people, and then I get too, I have 436 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:17.440 to get two hundred guys. And really maybe I think I actually most guys. 437 00:29:17.440 --> 00:29:18.480 Anyway, I actually had one hundred and fifty. A value you gotta 438 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.920 do is tag you're putting Penis into her accounts as one tagged before Holmes a 439 00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:27.240 Tucker like fifty one because I did that. Candy Apples Buses at seven forty 440 00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:30.720 two because I wanted to make it, which later became Warped Tour, but 441 00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:33.839 I had skateboarding, added bands playing. I wanted to make it a whole 442 00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:37.799 event like a Warped tour, but you could beat off on the girl like 443 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:42.240 that with the bands and sure. Anyway, so it gets back to mcconacky. 444 00:29:42.559 --> 00:29:45.920 So we're starting to do him in the first volume. They're starting to 445 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:51.680 build them, like the twenty twenty five people, thirty people, and I'm 446 00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:56.039 running ads because we're looking for all the guys for these these things anyway, 447 00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:00.559 So I'm running ads in La Weekly, and I figured that we had to 448 00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.279 do the Bacacky's. I started doing by bus stocks because most of these guys 449 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:07.440 didn't have cars, so I would and I'd also do on Wednesday nights after 450 00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:12.480 they got off work. And I would also could they get tests for free 451 00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:15.519 and it would come off their pay because that was back in the days of 452 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:19.000 Eliza testing, which was a very fast fifteen minute result. So we had 453 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:23.039 a testing facility we were using in Van Eyes or North Hollywood or whatever it 454 00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:27.279 was. And I would get the guys you know coming. You know, 455 00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:32.680 I was seeing ads, physical ads and launder mats because I figured those guys 456 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:36.039 did extra money. And we were putting these ads at ELI weekly. I 457 00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:40.440 set the Bacacky hotline. You reached the Bocaky hotline and all that stuff that 458 00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:45.599 was me. And what I did is I started getting such, you know, 459 00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:51.119 a big crowd coming to these things because like Larry what's the name, 460 00:30:51.200 --> 00:30:55.680 Larry Melrose, Larry Green would come a broadcast it on the Howard Stern Show, 461 00:30:56.079 --> 00:31:00.119 right, Howard Sternshard talking about the Bocacky's and the girls would do the 462 00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.039 cockies and they'd fly out there. And back in those days they had all 463 00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:06.680 the porn girls. One they would fly to a show. I mean they 464 00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:10.519 flew me out there. I went to the show and they would they would 465 00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:12.440 get the you know, everybody would come on the show and Howard Stern. 466 00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:17.480 So I was getting over one hundred people at these the cocky's, and I 467 00:31:17.559 --> 00:31:21.119 had to have a you can't just do it with a normal porn set. 468 00:31:21.160 --> 00:31:23.960 So I would the guy was booking the girls for me. Was the lead 469 00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:30.240 at Jurassic Park at Universal Park. Yeah, I hired the whole ride staff, 470 00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.119 the cockeys, and I would run these like theme park rides. So 471 00:31:36.160 --> 00:31:38.279 when you come there, it wasn't like a typical horn set. You'd be 472 00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.079 set up there, you close to security. They'd bring you to do the 473 00:31:41.119 --> 00:31:47.079 paperwork because they're like I mean, you had guys were meeting each other, 474 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.559 last side each other in prison. Fights would breakout. We had security, 475 00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:52.759 and we had the cocky robbery with pulls, a gun held up my guy 476 00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:56.279 from the ash. He put a gun to his head. We had all 477 00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.720 sorts of crazy shit would take like the Cocky and there it was just like 478 00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:02.880 good Zoo because we're not the normal porn guys. And from this came the 479 00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:07.200 Mope, the whole Mope world and you know the Steve Driver, you know 480 00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.799 the guy and the Samurai porn killer when when he killed the people and everything 481 00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:15.640 that the movie Mope is about. Okay, they came from the Pacaki that 482 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:21.440 was a pacacky boy, and it was it was like shooting a sporting event, 483 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.440 much much more than a porn movie. But that's how the kacky. 484 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:27.759 I just took it to the next level and became a part of Americana, 485 00:32:28.079 --> 00:32:30.440 you know, Lexicona like a word you say, nobody knew what it was 486 00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:35.759 back then. Sure, so were you able to then keep costs down as 487 00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:40.400 well by grabbing more of these I understand you said that was the whole reason. 488 00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:44.000 Sure, yeah, yeah, I imagine if you had to pay one 489 00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:47.759 hundred porn stars, right, yeah, and they couldn't do it either. 490 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:54.160 These guys, these guys become really quick. That's a good point. Yeah. 491 00:32:54.359 --> 00:32:58.680 Yeah. They would listen to you and they were basically and they were 492 00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:00.839 all the great we were sun the dream of you're going to become a porn 493 00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:05.319 star and you get noticed, most of you get noticed, all right, 494 00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:08.799 you didn't, well, but plenty of guys actually came whatever, plenty of 495 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:13.519 guys that came out of this, and it was it was such a because 496 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:16.279 we'd always have the magazines that are covering these things, and yeah, I'd 497 00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:19.759 have to keep away together. I'd call them chicken hawks. But the other 498 00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:22.599 directors would come over there trying to steal my men because they were too cheap 499 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:30.000 to put out the ads, because all weekly ads are expensive and and you 500 00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:32.880 know, so we were paying I think when it started like a fifty bucks 501 00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:38.759 a guy, and then I went to like seventy seventy five dollars. So 502 00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:44.519 if you had one hundred guys, they're interest. Yeah, either for ten 503 00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:49.440 fifteen months, we would do the bacackis. There'd be three per volume, 504 00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:52.559 right, and so we would do them three weeks in a row, soybe 505 00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:57.759 three Wednesdays or Tuesday, what was it. That's been a while, but 506 00:33:57.799 --> 00:34:00.839 we'd do them like three week weeks in a row because that way they get 507 00:34:00.839 --> 00:34:04.160 the test and those days would be good for a month to test one time. 508 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:07.800 And remember these guys were getting you know, a hint on to become 509 00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:15.039 because it became like a cocky union guys trying to unionize, and they were 510 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:19.320 being you know taken to other sets and everything because everybody wanted to do you 511 00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.239 know, like I said, it was the world of everybody's competing, Like 512 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.480 like guys would do lines and one like you know, they eight fucked the 513 00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:29.760 girl, but they want twelve guys to blast on her face afterwards. Remember 514 00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.440 that old line that was out. So you know, the cocky turned into 515 00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:37.440 it start against so popular and you know next thing, you know, Jeff 516 00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:40.159 Mike's driving Ferrari's around all sorts of shit. You know, it's like you 517 00:34:40.199 --> 00:34:44.039 know, the you know, keep in mind he did he didn't end up 518 00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:47.639 getting in trouble with the US government of this. But so anyway, the 519 00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:52.480 cocky from that, we did the gopin, which meant swallow right. Oh 520 00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.519 yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that one. We did the butt 521 00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:00.559 fuck thecacky, We did the lesbian bacacky, we did the reverse. Did 522 00:35:00.559 --> 00:35:04.280 you do the yuko zuna? What's that one? That's not the one they 523 00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:10.039 sit on your face and fart? No, no, let me ask you. 524 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:15.119 Was the pay less uh for the girls versus a different type of scene 525 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:19.920 because there's less wear and tear on them? Oh yeah, okay, well 526 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.440 it's not to mention. Do you know what a facial would cost to actually 527 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:25.079 get those people? And they are lucky to do it. I would have 528 00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:29.679 girls that we'd have to have a backup all the time, and girls would 529 00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:34.760 be crying if they didn't get a pacaky. Yeah really it Well, you 530 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:37.800 know they say the seamen is good for the skin, So think I much 531 00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:40.760 that would cost to have done in your real life? Sure? Sure, 532 00:35:42.079 --> 00:35:45.440 yeah, A nice La Spa. What's that going to cost you exactly? 533 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:47.320 I don't know. So it's some guys down in ten City to do it 534 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:51.840 for free. Yeah, that's the point. Yeah, but would you be 535 00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.480 in a safe environment? I was providing a service. That's a good point. 536 00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:58.199 Yeah, yeah. And so anyway, I think, you know, 537 00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:07.360 like I did a lot of good in the world. Would you say that, 538 00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:12.119 like you mentioned how it's kind of just like all been accidental, do 539 00:36:12.159 --> 00:36:15.119 you like your role in porn or are you just kind of are you? 540 00:36:15.159 --> 00:36:19.800 Are you like kind of like me where it's like I get home from my 541 00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:22.800 regular job every day and I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ, I'm gonna kill 542 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:29.239 myself. You know. No, I said I fell into this accidentally. 543 00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:32.920 Yeah, because it wasn't like a you know, film student that was trying 544 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:36.519 to make a film and I couldn't do it and I fell into pornos I'm 545 00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:40.639 angry. Those are the angry angry by the artists, you know what I 546 00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:45.559 mean. I mean, I've always been pretty artistic, because there's an art 547 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:50.679 major played in a punk band or something, so I'm always you know, 548 00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.559 been creative, I guess, But I was never the angry person that felt 549 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:58.920 like, oh stuck doing porn. I used to be a stockbroker. Nothing's 550 00:36:58.920 --> 00:37:00.599 worse than that. And you know, back back in the days that you 551 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:05.320 know, selling stocks on the phone, that's a nightmare. Any cold calling 552 00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:12.679 ship like that, Oh yeah, they did that for years. Jim, 553 00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:15.280 m Me ask you a question, a real basic question that Shane and I 554 00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:20.719 have been wondering since high school. Who or what determines who the cover girl 555 00:37:20.800 --> 00:37:27.320 was going to be on a DVD on another company? Okay, simple, 556 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:32.559 look it just okay, there's a lot of these because I've shot so many 557 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:37.400 different companies, there's so many different things. Some places just happened to be 558 00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:42.920 the best picture, Okay. And Jeff Mike like jam was pretty much you 559 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.599 know, a lot of those just who had the best picture. He didn't 560 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:47.800 care if they were popular or not, because this is before you had a 561 00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:52.079 lot of that ship. Like. But now, if you go back to 562 00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:54.079 the days before you had the analytics and everything like you do, for like, 563 00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:58.079 how many fans they Adam Fluer and all this shit before you had anything 564 00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:01.280 to gauge them by. Uh. Sure, certain girls were well known for 565 00:38:01.320 --> 00:38:05.280 back in those days, going on the road dancing or whatever. It might 566 00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:08.840 be or maybe if Cable would purchase that movie of them, you know, 567 00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:14.719 or if your foreign markets were asking. But for the most part, like 568 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:17.920 the jam stuff was kind of like whoever just had the best picture, if 569 00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:22.320 they happened to like would make the cover. Sure, But like because I 570 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:24.960 shot all these different companies that a lot of times it was the star girl 571 00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:29.639 that you knew it was going to be the cover. Who was you know 572 00:38:29.800 --> 00:38:31.679 it was that's who you wanted on the cover, and it's like there was 573 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:36.199 it all depends on the company, or there's the girl who's banging the owner 574 00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:38.639 of the company, you know what I mean, or whatever I was. 575 00:38:38.679 --> 00:38:43.320 I was gonna say, if DVDs were still prominent today, it would probably 576 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:46.079 be whoever has the highest follower count or the best picture, like you said, 577 00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:52.079 or if it was a specific niche you were going for. Well I 578 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:53.920 would even in the nineties look at because I shot a lot of stuff with 579 00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.519 you know, the Spice channel, because that's really why I started going, 580 00:38:57.880 --> 00:39:00.320 because I was one of the early guys shooting ice, Like by ninety five, 581 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:04.159 I was doing all those features on Spice and stuff. You know. 582 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.360 I was always also asking when we would shoot a movie and they would tell 583 00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:14.280 me, sometimes, can you get this girl in the movie we really want 584 00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:16.880 because our German, Germany wants this girl in the movie. Sure, or 585 00:39:17.280 --> 00:39:21.880 or you know, some of the bigger paying companies and countries like Germany was 586 00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.639 always the holy grail of the companies to get because they paid the most, 587 00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:28.920 you know what I mean, So you'd listen to what Germany had to say. 588 00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:31.800 Or you know, if you were already shooting for a cable company, 589 00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:37.039 already un locked in deal, but yeah, you would, you would just 590 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.239 kind of go with who are the popular girls? You would try to do 591 00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:43.599 that way. I was always try to every movie. I've always tried to 592 00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:45.960 stick out some way it's gonna be popular. It could be your cover or 593 00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:51.360 a really good looking, new up and coming girl. Okay, okay, 594 00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:59.679 that made sense. You I have loved for years on porn Hub you were 595 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.960 horns. Uh oh? What was this? Specifically called Porn's most outrageous outtakes? 596 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.519 They were some of my favorite things ever. I just I don't know 597 00:40:07.559 --> 00:40:12.079 why. I like behind the scenes stuff, but I also like the realism 598 00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:15.920 of just behind I don't necessarily need to see someone fucking. I really like 599 00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:22.039 watching Tanner May's loser fucking Mind on set? Was that your biggest freak out? 600 00:40:22.119 --> 00:40:23.559 Yeah, that was a real good one. Was that the biggest freak 601 00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:28.360 out you had from a female performer? Or is there something you couldn't maybe 602 00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:32.079 put in there? Ory bet back of that. Okay, it was a 603 00:40:32.079 --> 00:40:39.280 different era. Totally let me. I used to get Jeff Mike. Here's 604 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:43.840 what people didn't realize in those days. I would get bonuses if you want 605 00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.000 to complained about me, and that was it was a different era. Think 606 00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:52.400 about what I said. That's insanity nowadays. And it wasn't like I was 607 00:40:52.440 --> 00:40:55.760 supposed to be mean to people, But is it pushing them to get the 608 00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:59.920 best you could have? What you wanted the scene? Right? That was 609 00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:04.679 basically my job, you know, is to push people because Jeff might love 610 00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:08.079 those freak out moments and stuff. And it's like even if you watch a 611 00:41:08.119 --> 00:41:10.920 tan Amaze when it's so stupid because you see I'm in there, like they 612 00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:14.119 come up to me and they got some bts. Guys, still I'm eating 613 00:41:14.119 --> 00:41:20.599 a sandwich. I'm like what Because half the time these things would happen and 614 00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:25.360 got I could tell set stories forever, but usually I would just kind of 615 00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:29.440 be like the innocent idiot to say, there, what the fuck just happened? 616 00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:30.199 You know what I mean? Type of thing you like, I'll be 617 00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:35.639 just shooting in this chaos and erupting around you, whether it's a guy running 618 00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:37.679 around the gun or somebody getting beat up. But you know this ship that 619 00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:42.239 just happens, somebody's flying through a window. You know this ship would have 620 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:45.000 happen, you know, would happen. That was a good one just because 621 00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:47.239 it went on so long. It was so ridiculous. The best part of 622 00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:51.119 that whole thing is when she gets in the taxi that shows you howl is 623 00:41:51.119 --> 00:41:59.840 there's a taxi? She leans as does anybody know in my address? I 624 00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:07.719 like that one a lot. It. Okay, I'm not gonna I'm not 625 00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.000 gonna ask you to raake your mind this late at night, but give me 626 00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:15.920 a good onset story where a performer where maybe you thought again you said your 627 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:19.360 job was to push a little bit, and uh again, different era, 628 00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:22.320 where was something where you pushed and then maybe you went, oh shit, 629 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:29.840 did I pushed too far? On this? A lot of times we just 630 00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:32.639 do a line called the violation series. Do you remember that? Well, 631 00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:37.920 we'll get to that. Yep. Later on YP the Violation had a lot 632 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:43.639 of those. And look, my job was to do the thing they want. 633 00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:46.639 You need an X number of amount of footage. I had to deliver 634 00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:51.079 this for the companies, and we tell people ahead of time, look, 635 00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:52.639 I gotta shoot this much footage, and you know, once you're in the 636 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:58.320 moment, I learned that the girls would kind of go overboard when the girls 637 00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:01.920 again in that system, when they're like assaulting one of the girls. Girls 638 00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:07.239 can be really mean, and these girls weren't realize what they would get into, 639 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.519 you know what I mean. And a lot of times we'd get these 640 00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:13.679 girls who were kind of primadonnas and we pay to be in these things, 641 00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:16.239 and all the other girls who are you know, our regulars and stuff, 642 00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:20.719 we kind of, you know, took it as a class struggle type of 643 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.800 thing. Really, you know, be brutal when they're shoving the dildos on 644 00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:28.400 her. So I had a lot of those type of ones where you had 645 00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.119 somebody like three or four times I have to keep on talking you back onto 646 00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:35.760 the set, Well that goddamn bitch out there. Yeah, you have to 647 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:39.000 start and there be fights. I mean, I've been shooting scenes I was 648 00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:43.760 doing a lesbian orgy one time. These two girls hated each other and one 649 00:43:43.760 --> 00:43:45.519 girl was trying to pale the other one with a dildo in the middle of 650 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:49.679 the thing, and I'm shooting a big beta cam and I'm trying to separate 651 00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:52.880 these girls from fighting with my legs in the middle of them, when I'm 652 00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:55.840 still trying to shoot the restport and girls in the room and they're literally trying 653 00:43:55.840 --> 00:44:00.559 to kill each other in the middle of the room. But I don't know, 654 00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:02.440 I mean, you'd have to. There was just so many of those. 655 00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:07.559 It was. It was commonplace. It was like, I mean things 656 00:44:07.599 --> 00:44:14.280 like that. I mean, I mean, I mean, there's so many 657 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.880 crazy stories I could tell, like drug induce stories and things that did happen. 658 00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:21.360 In a sense. It was funny where you know, I got blialous 659 00:44:21.400 --> 00:44:24.039 guy lost in mine, like because like idiot, I didn't know what he 660 00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:27.679 did at the time. I found it later. But we went smoked. 661 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:34.000 Do you guys remember when Glass was around. I mean, yes, I've 662 00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:37.079 never smoked. Glass accidentally smoked PCP one time, but no, not Glass. 663 00:44:37.639 --> 00:44:43.400 An idiot smoked it. It's like a movie and he's running like I'm 664 00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:45.039 trying to do the scene with it. There's something wrong with his eyes. 665 00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:51.039 I didn't know what it was at the times. And he'sn't get hard where 666 00:44:51.039 --> 00:44:55.119 he's just doing. He's doing the math twist on it twist and yeah, 667 00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:58.719 anyway, the other I have the other talents get him through the scene. 668 00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:02.880 Forget the DP. And I was doing an Amish movie called Uh it's doing 669 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:07.000 a lot of Pomish for some reason, where everybody be in ort Nung's and 670 00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.360 you'd go to ort Nung and I'd like, you know, the black guy 671 00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:15.079 would go hide out in the Amish community or the black girl would go hide 672 00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.079 out. So I do these Amish movies, which is quite popular at the 673 00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:20.679 time. I don't know why. You know, king Pin was out in 674 00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:27.719 stuff. Okay, anyway, this guy wasn't smokes. This setting. We're 675 00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.760 shooting up in the hills of Valencia where we're going to do this movie, 676 00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:35.440 and I get this cool location. And when I get there that morning, 677 00:45:35.719 --> 00:45:38.400 the owner said the kid his mom at the house. He goes looking my 678 00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:40.679 sister. I'm trying to get out of the house, like, what's your 679 00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:44.360 sister doing here? Yeah? I go, well, how's your sister? 680 00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.039 Because she's fourteen I go, she's got to get the fuck out of here. 681 00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.360 I'm showing enough to shoot a poor you can't. And she's got a 682 00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:54.800 fucking prisoner boyfriend. These are the classic guy straight out all the prison tattoos, 683 00:45:55.280 --> 00:45:58.840 shaved head, like the Ariyan type of guy, you know what I 684 00:45:58.840 --> 00:46:04.159 mean, straight out right whatever it is. And they're in brotherhood. I'm 685 00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.360 like, straight up this Nazi little rider type of guy, and I'm like, 686 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:09.159 what the fuck. He goes, well, can you give us some 687 00:46:09.199 --> 00:46:13.760 money to go to the mall? Whatever? So I give them some money, 688 00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.239 so they take off the mall because that sets up. So we're trying 689 00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:20.440 to get the movie done in the past, very simple homage porno. We 690 00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:22.480 want to make everybody's dressed up like Amish people. We got the beard, 691 00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:25.519 so kill the guys. Right. We're going to gang bang a girl later 692 00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:31.039 that day and do a DP scene. And I think that was just it. 693 00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:36.960 There's a little gang bang and DP. So my star male talent ends 694 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:40.679 up smoking ice and you know, not telling us, and he's so high. 695 00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:44.079 We can't do the scene. So I just shoot it with the other 696 00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:49.559 guy and he's just hanging around the set. He won't leave and he's on 697 00:46:49.719 --> 00:46:52.920 ice and the makeup artists they are pushing him away with a pitchfork, away 698 00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:59.719 from the makeup because he keeps him running over and going m because he's doing 699 00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:01.679 this thinking he's going to come, but he can't come because he's done from 700 00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:06.760 the ice, and I'm just trying to shoot the movie, you know, 701 00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:08.199 because he can't drive. So it's get in your car. You got to 702 00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:10.119 get out of here, right, but you can't get out of here. 703 00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:14.639 We know that's of just sitting in your car. He doesn't. But now 704 00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:16.920 we're doing this blowbang. He keeps on coming in. They're shoving him out. 705 00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:21.239 That was funny. You can actually see the movie called Homie in the 706 00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:24.079 Haystack. Why they say brother Jedediah has lost his mind and the guy who's 707 00:47:24.079 --> 00:47:29.159 are around the background, they're shoving him out of there. It's called Homie 708 00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:36.199 in the Haystack. And so anyway, then what happens is we hear that 709 00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:38.679 the girls the guys come back. We're on the property outside of the house 710 00:47:38.719 --> 00:47:42.599 now and we've heard that they've come back. They're sick, which they want 711 00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.880 us out of there. And he sees that I have all these black people 712 00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:50.559 there because we're doing a gang bang and stuff and he's going to kill us, 713 00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.000 and so now everybody's I'm trying to get through the pop shot, right, 714 00:47:53.320 --> 00:47:57.639 this idiot keeps on running around on the on the ice. I'm trying 715 00:47:57.639 --> 00:48:00.920 to get get the pop shot, the last shot after we gang bang this 716 00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:05.480 girl, right, and everybody's grabbing pitchforks and knives and everything in case the 717 00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:07.960 guy comes out to fight him. We'd get the pop shots where he's lining 718 00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:12.239 up for a war. And I get the pop shot and she goes running 719 00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.519 in the hill yelling, and I'm an Ambish hore and I love it. 720 00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.400 And it's very surreal because it's like it's also the storm was going to hit. 721 00:48:19.159 --> 00:48:22.159 And then we hear sirens. It's all going on up in the woods, 722 00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:25.280 Like what the fuck is going on? We're wrapped, get the fuck 723 00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:29.000 out of here, because we're shooting outside. We'd already wrapped the inside, 724 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:30.599 and I was just trying to get the pop shot. We're hopping in the 725 00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:34.440 car and I still see the guy trying to twist a jerk jerk off, 726 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:37.880 always walking around. The blood is pouring down his hand, but what is 727 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:44.360 his nails right there? Right? So anyway, we leave, right, 728 00:48:44.920 --> 00:48:47.159 and you guys get out of here, get out of and making him just 729 00:48:47.159 --> 00:48:50.480 get his car, just get out the property because you know, of course 730 00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.599 some of this guy starts shooting people. So anyway, we leave. In 731 00:48:52.679 --> 00:48:58.320 the next morning, Hey, you want a good set story. It's eight 732 00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:01.159 o'clock next morning. I get this phone call Chap. He's whispering and thought, 733 00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:07.280 I'm like, yeah, he goes, I can't And I'm like and 734 00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:10.639 I'm like, you did, and he goes yeah. He goes, He 735 00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:14.760 goes, man, don't ever do ice. I go, yeah, no, 736 00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:17.800 shitting right. He goes, yeah, that was horrible. He goes, 737 00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:22.440 It took me six hours to get home and we're done shooting. It 738 00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:24.760 was still It's finally eight o'clock in the summer. So he said he got 739 00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:28.440 home like around two in the morning. He had to keep on pulling over 740 00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:32.559 because and trying to jerk off all the way home, and he couldn't do 741 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:36.760 it. So it took him like powers to get out of the hills Valencia 742 00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.400 to get back to Chatsworth, wherever the hell he lived. And so anyhow 743 00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:44.039 he told me, yeah, I finally came this morning and just to make 744 00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:46.039 sure it worked. I jerked off again, right, And I'm like, 745 00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:49.719 oh god, he goes. He goes, but I need you to do 746 00:49:49.760 --> 00:49:51.960 me a favor. I'm like, what he goes, you need to call 747 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:53.880 Chuck Martinez. I'm like, why he goes, Well, I have to 748 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:57.400 shoot for him today. I go, why don't you call him? It's 749 00:49:57.440 --> 00:50:00.840 your gig? What is your friend? He goes, I don't have any 750 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:04.199 skin left on my dick born in his whole dick off as a bloody star, 751 00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:08.239 Like, well, why he is called Chuck and explain He'll understand. 752 00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:12.599 He knows you. Just you call him. I'm not going to call him 753 00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:15.920 for you. That's ridiculous, you know. Then it sounds stupid and a 754 00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:20.400 director does that. You're better off just calling yourself and saying something. But 755 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:27.159 anyway, that's don't do ice? Is it? Is it a lot easier 756 00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:31.119 shooting nowadays than back then in terms of the professionalism of the people on set 757 00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:36.599 or are there still yeah? Yeah, okay. The difference nowadays is we 758 00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:39.920 have we really I can't do a lot of that stuff anymore. And let's 759 00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:44.440 face it's because it's Twitter, social media and stuff like that. But back 760 00:50:44.440 --> 00:50:46.280 in the old days, Look, I'm the guy who used to get sent 761 00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:50.679 by Playboy to make those party videos. I used to do Kelly the co 762 00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.000 Ed. You've seen all that stuff. I would be and there were two 763 00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:58.159 hundred drunken, fat guys shooting scenes. I did that for a decade. 764 00:50:58.800 --> 00:51:02.400 So you can't. You just can't make that stuff anymore. See, we're 765 00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:07.159 in a different world now like that. I mean, it was kind of 766 00:51:07.159 --> 00:51:09.519 weird. That's some kind of peeked out and it in two thousand and ninety 767 00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:14.119 ten, eleven, well somewhere around there. I forget when I was shooting 768 00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:16.840 for Playboy doing all that stuff. But you just can't do that anymore. 769 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:22.039 Old girls on wild stuff and like crazy stuff we used to do, sure, 770 00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:25.719 because you know now young people. Yeah, it's just you know, 771 00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:29.440 it's the world's changed. I think it's a lot of ways. I watched 772 00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:31.320 the old jam stuff, like God, you can't make that anymore, like 773 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:37.679 girlvert Sure. So I had a question that kind of relates back to old 774 00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:43.280 stuff versus newer stuff. All the girls we've interviewed, we've probably interviewed fifty 775 00:51:43.280 --> 00:51:49.599 performers at this point, if not more. They all right, Okay, 776 00:51:49.719 --> 00:51:52.239 One of my favorite things are a lot of the behind the scenes stuff where 777 00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:58.400 you will just randomly get the big star of the show, the movie, 778 00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:02.119 whatever it is, fluffing the guy a little bit. Girls don't do that 779 00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:06.760 anymore. From the ones we've talked to. They're just not interested in it. 780 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:10.320 They're not They're like, there's more of a level of professionalism, it 781 00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:16.119 feels like, but it's a little bit less fun to me. Okay, 782 00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.119 they say a lot of that stuff, but you know, I mean, 783 00:52:22.239 --> 00:52:27.519 I shoot orn all day, and you get the girls when they nine out 784 00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:30.440 of ten girls when they're alone they're doing it, say they're doing a scene 785 00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:34.599 with the guy or whatever, and he's having any sort of trouble, they 786 00:52:34.639 --> 00:52:37.440 tend to help. Keep in mind when you say they're a big star, 787 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:40.519 chances are they're telling us what guy they want to do too. Okay, 788 00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:46.920 so you know what I mean. Yeah, I thought about that too, 789 00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:51.400 like I because Matt's made that point a few times, I think, And 790 00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:54.719 I mentioned that to my wife and she's like, no, I'll jerk off 791 00:52:54.719 --> 00:52:57.760 any guy, like you know, if he's about to fuck me. And 792 00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:00.679 I was like, okay, yeah, that let's just gets kind of seems 793 00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:05.440 like womanly etiquette, Like it just seems like if the dick's going in anyway, 794 00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:07.000 you just crank it up a few times, you know. You know, 795 00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:13.199 the best porn girls, the best porn girls realize if they act like 796 00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:16.320 they like that guy and they're nice to them they were, they're gonna whip 797 00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:20.440 right through that scene so fast, it's gonna be easy. The ones that 798 00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:23.440 act like hunts, do you really want to sit there and be a bitch 799 00:53:23.440 --> 00:53:27.480 while the guy's floating around trying to get his dick hard because you're such a 800 00:53:27.480 --> 00:53:30.559 bitch, right right, Yeah, then he's gonna have to drill you with 801 00:53:30.639 --> 00:53:32.800 it. Yeah. The best porn girls are the ones that make it easy 802 00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:36.480 on the guy and sale you right through. And those are the biggest ones. 803 00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:38.599 And I'll tell you right now from experience, the girls, the bigger 804 00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:43.760 they are, the better they try to make that guy get through the scene. 805 00:53:45.360 --> 00:53:47.480 They're not bitches to him. They're not. I didn't make that up 806 00:53:47.559 --> 00:53:52.599 shamy to sound like Matt made this assertion with them. I've asked that we've 807 00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.400 heard you. Yeah no, but I'm saying like it does. Yeah, 808 00:53:55.559 --> 00:54:00.400 like everyone we've interviewed is just talking a big game. Basically, Well, 809 00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:02.840 look at I don't know it's the big game. Look at everybody's had those 810 00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:06.679 situations I think where girls don't want it because they don't like that guy or 811 00:54:06.679 --> 00:54:09.199 whatever it might be. Everybody's gonna have one. Lease goes through conors and 812 00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:15.960 hundreds of scenes. Sure, so you're always and everybody remembers the bad scene 813 00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:17.960 versus all the ones that just went by. Right, It's just human nature. 814 00:54:19.440 --> 00:54:22.280 Right. We explain about a restaurant more than we rave about it. 815 00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:25.679 Correct. If you have about expres Burger, you're gonna tell everybody, but 816 00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:32.119 you're not gonna tell Opper Perfect. You don't tell everybody. So I think, 817 00:54:32.760 --> 00:54:37.079 you know the getting back to I just think that the most of the 818 00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:42.960 porn girls look a guy that Yes, if the guy is just flower floundering 819 00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:45.840 and can't do it, we just cut the scene. We get another guy 820 00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:50.199 in there he just can't do it. That I get. But if you're 821 00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:52.800 just talking about a guy who just needs a little bit of work, you 822 00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:57.000 know, talking dirty is you're most girls will do that because where they're supposed 823 00:54:57.000 --> 00:55:00.199 to be working with that guy anyway, Sure, and they tend to be 824 00:55:00.920 --> 00:55:04.239 they're good with it. I mean, I don't get too many girls that 825 00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:07.960 are really that bad, because when they're like that, nobody's gonna want to 826 00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:12.440 work with them. Sure, think about that for a second. Harder for 827 00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:15.159 us as a director to find the guys than to find the girls. And 828 00:55:15.199 --> 00:55:21.599 that's just making their day longer too, you know, it's just infinitely longer. 829 00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:24.920 Yeahs, And I'll repeat that, it's harder to find the guys and 830 00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:30.480 these girls. Okay, and you get any of them, Yeah, that 831 00:55:30.559 --> 00:55:36.119 makes sense, like most any good looking girl, you know, not that 832 00:55:36.159 --> 00:55:37.920 any girl can do it, but you know what I mean. If you've 833 00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:40.960 gotta bit China, you do this song as a lube and you're fine. 834 00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:49.840 Yeah, guys got to get hard, sure, sure, yeah, Shane, 835 00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:52.280 I have two more questions. I don't want to interrupt you though. 836 00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:57.079 You got anything else for Gym tonight? Just our regular questions, but those 837 00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:00.119 are for females. Usually I normally ask all our female guests, Hey, 838 00:56:00.280 --> 00:56:05.679 you like getting pissed on? But I'll spare you. Jim is the the 839 00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:08.440 Are you the creator or were you just the director of the majority of the 840 00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:15.639 Liquid Gold series? Liquid Gold what it was is I would shoot the girls 841 00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:17.679 like just because the back then, I'd just shoot whatever if they wanted to 842 00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:22.159 pee at film a p and Jeff Mike kept it seeing all this footage of 843 00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:24.599 the piss stuff, and he was doing on this mail order and people were 844 00:56:24.639 --> 00:56:27.960 asking, you have pea video, so he taking it, started taking his 845 00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:30.559 clips from the BTS, and then it became a thing. When we shoot 846 00:56:30.599 --> 00:56:35.280 the jam Girl, they'd also film a p So yeah, I would shoot 847 00:56:35.280 --> 00:56:38.079 all that peace stuff, but usually it was like Jeff Mike, it was 848 00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:40.360 like a little part of if you were hired to be in a gun or 849 00:56:40.360 --> 00:56:45.119 mouth or whatever, pick your movie, I would chances are filming a pee 850 00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:47.239 because he wanted the pee thing. And we'd always try to do something funny 851 00:56:47.239 --> 00:56:51.239 if we could. Sure. There was a period of time, and I 852 00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:57.440 don't know when, it was early two thousand somewhere when the piss videos were 853 00:56:57.480 --> 00:57:04.079 so popular. I remember Biddy Titty bedwetters. I used to do all these 854 00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:08.199 lesions. I used to do all these the pea Stone cops. I used 855 00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:10.679 to do all sorts of nothing but videos about pissing. You know, to 856 00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:15.760 be sex, but they always pee. I made tons of piss videos for 857 00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:19.519 a few years. It was just not stop. I think, Matt, 858 00:57:19.559 --> 00:57:22.840 the first time you showed me a picture of Gage. It was her spreading 859 00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:25.639 and taking a piss out in the middle of a of a parking lot or 860 00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:30.719 something may have been yeah, real dirty quite recall. Yeah, Yeah, 861 00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:34.480 I used to shoot Gage a lot. I mean if I filmed for a 862 00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:37.000 p a lot. The first time I shot her, I did a scene 863 00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:43.920 where she's this guy's imagining She's in a room and she's imagining that this vagina 864 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:47.239 is a man's climbing out of her vagina or something. It was old babysitter 865 00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:52.880 scene and we had this huge fake prosthetic vagina made and I had a guy 866 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:55.519 shoved himself through it, covered in the lube like he's coming through the vagina. 867 00:57:57.400 --> 00:57:59.760 So it was gauge. Ime was gauge? Did the scene? It 868 00:57:59.800 --> 00:58:01.920 was like or some ever shot? Yeah? David Cronenberg fan at all? 869 00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:14.760 What movies? He did the Fly video Drome? Okay, okay, So 870 00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:19.119 I got I got two more questions here for you. I notice you recently. 871 00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:21.960 I've been looking at your recent releases. It seems like you shoot a 872 00:58:21.960 --> 00:58:27.760 lot of trans and buy stuff as well nowadays. Is that a preferences viewers? 873 00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:30.280 Do you like shooting that better? Is it that you see the trend 874 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:35.280 is moving that way, And when did you first notice how? Because there 875 00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:40.320 was definitely a shift to make it become much more mainstream, right. I 876 00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:45.599 remember interviews with girls a while ago that wouldn't work with some guys who had 877 00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:52.079 shot gay scenes or with trans performers or anything like that. And now it 878 00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:53.719 just seems like some of the biggest stars, you know, Anna Fox, 879 00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:58.639 who I love and I think is a superstar, you know, nominated I 880 00:58:58.639 --> 00:59:02.519 believe for shooting with transpers and it's become accepted and more of the mainstream. 881 00:59:02.599 --> 00:59:06.639 Is that just a trend you jumped on? Do you like shooting that type 882 00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:14.519 of work more now than other stuff? Or yeah? It's I think one 883 00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:16.239 note game. Why did I started doing Yeah, I did see its time, 884 00:59:16.360 --> 00:59:20.079 so it was going I could see that was gonna something. Idn'think it 885 00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:22.480 was going to go as big as it did. And when I was given 886 00:59:22.519 --> 00:59:27.880 the opportunity by a friend of mine who'd been doing it, and it was 887 00:59:27.920 --> 00:59:30.880 like, because I tried it back in the nineties, I did it a 888 00:59:30.039 --> 00:59:36.920 very short period and yeah, it was one of those things that you could 889 00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:40.840 see it was starting to develop, and it's look at those are fun to 890 00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:44.960 shoot, it's like a lot of this stuff. It's like right now, 891 00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:49.760 it's like that's a little bit shooting someone that says a little bit more like 892 00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:52.880 the Wild West bit where you have a little more freedom on what you can 893 00:59:52.920 --> 00:59:57.480 do and stuff, and as pigeonholed as used to be. But even that's 894 00:59:57.519 --> 01:00:00.599 turning more and more mainstream now, sure, for sure, Yeah, I 895 01:00:00.880 --> 01:00:06.000 mean yeah, and it was natural and like the buying stuff just fell out 896 01:00:06.039 --> 01:00:07.840 once you started doing the trans You can get into that by world shooting and 897 01:00:08.559 --> 01:00:12.400 which has always been around porn, you know, and stuff goes back to 898 01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.480 the eighties real the old Switch Hitters and all those old lines and stuff and 899 01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:17.920 Buy and Beyond and stuff. Paul Norman. Yeah, Shane's dad had a 900 01:00:17.920 --> 01:00:22.199 lot of those movies. I didn't. I was actually gonna say, yeah, 901 01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:25.719 like the tranny stuff has been popular with fucking my dad, Like chicks 902 01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:29.360 with dicks, that's what my dad always called them. Hey, my dad's 903 01:00:29.400 --> 01:00:31.920 been into that ship since the nineties at least. Yeah, well back then 904 01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:35.159 we were calling it. You it was still chick with dicks, but it 905 01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:39.360 was the she mails emails that's right, yes, but it was that's another 906 01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:43.960 one that changed so fast because of what you went and then you shifted into 907 01:00:43.960 --> 01:00:47.800 the tranny and then trans was like overnights that fast as switched. It was 908 01:00:47.880 --> 01:00:51.559 kind of like switching to DVD. It was like was in a two year 909 01:00:51.639 --> 01:00:57.239 period, we went from doing you know, tranny prostitutes training, babysitters, 910 01:00:57.800 --> 01:01:02.679 menaja tranny, my, what's that? My World's best training or whatever? 911 01:01:02.719 --> 01:01:09.719 I would do America's Top tranny, tranny cheerleaders. They all those lines don't 912 01:01:09.760 --> 01:01:14.480 exist anymore. But it would turn it into my volume too with menaja trans 913 01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:17.960 which didn't rhyme as well. But yeah, that was a it was a 914 01:01:17.960 --> 01:01:22.760 fast shift. Sure, yeah, sure. And do you do you shoot 915 01:01:22.800 --> 01:01:28.119 trans stuff any differently? Do you shoot it more like in a feminine way? 916 01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:31.239 Okay? No, okay, nope, one thing I saw in there, 917 01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:35.519 I know, I just do it the same way that you do anything 918 01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:40.559 like. I mean, it's just I don't shoot any different. I mean, 919 01:01:40.639 --> 01:01:44.519 obviously differences, you're doing something a little bit different, right sure, 920 01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:47.000 But as far as the stories or anything like that, yeah, I think 921 01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:51.079 a little bit. Obviously you tune in to a different market, but I 922 01:01:51.159 --> 01:01:54.280 still shoot it the same way, gotcha. Yeah, still designed to titillate 923 01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:59.119 to whether whether you're shooting a lesbian scene, a BIA scene, trans scene, 924 01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:01.400 straight scene, anal scene, and gang bang scene. I mean they're 925 01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:06.119 all different genres. I mean, like porn's weird, like if you're in 926 01:02:06.199 --> 01:02:09.440 it to make when you're working within it, there's all sorts of undercurrents, 927 01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:15.519 things that you probably don't notice outside of unless you're doing it, like all 928 01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:20.039 of a sudden everybody wants babysitters, or you go through the anal days, 929 01:02:20.199 --> 01:02:22.920 or like I said, the crazy gang bang. I mean, the best 930 01:02:22.920 --> 01:02:29.519 time, craziest time I thought porn was the late nineties. The late nineties 931 01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:34.159 early two thousands was just such a crazy era, I mean for everything, 932 01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:37.840 just because everybody was trying to one up each other. I mean that was 933 01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:40.039 then era. Like you know, girls be shooting fire out of their ass 934 01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:44.000 and not making this up. That was one of the things that you would 935 01:02:44.039 --> 01:02:45.719 do. They would try to, you know, one up each other all 936 01:02:45.760 --> 01:02:50.559 the time. You know the mela, you know, the prolapsed ass or 937 01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:54.119 the blasting pain out of the ass. We used to load up the dyed 938 01:02:54.239 --> 01:03:00.639 milk up their butts and do lines like anal felching the whole and all these 939 01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:05.760 lines where you'd be pass blasting and stuff, which isn't too common right now. 940 01:03:05.840 --> 01:03:08.320 But now with this whole sport thing, everyone's sporting scenes. Sure, 941 01:03:08.559 --> 01:03:12.480 like you know, sporting is really funny. But yeah, yeah, like 942 01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:15.440 it's gonna mainstream. You have a lot of things that don't obviously need to 943 01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:19.360 click, like free use that goes on a Diego and all these different little 944 01:03:19.360 --> 01:03:22.599 things are going on all the time. But the part is kind of funny 945 01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:24.639 because it like stuff in the nineties, like I used to shoot a lot 946 01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:28.199 of black on black and you don't shoot I don't shoot a lot of that 947 01:03:28.840 --> 01:03:34.000 sure anymore. Yeah, you know, in the nineties, I was mostly 948 01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:37.079 what I did. Yeah, I went on all those names like me More 949 01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:42.000 Nasty Pool, Breeze Gee, Sweet Daddy J. And I would do all 950 01:03:42.000 --> 01:03:44.599 that heat weight stuff, like every movie that would come out, like Baby 951 01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:47.480 Boy, every make Baby Girl, Uh, you know, Drinking Hood, 952 01:03:47.599 --> 01:03:52.280 Uh, you know Fridays, all those movies. You know you n in 953 01:03:52.320 --> 01:03:54.480 the movie I did a parody of it. Sure get your ass on the 954 01:03:54.519 --> 01:03:59.639 bus, you know that one. So I do every Spike Lee movie that 955 01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:03.400 came out. Okay, all right, Yeah, that's another thing that's kind 956 01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:08.400 of, you know, but I don't see anybody doing that anymore. You 957 01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:10.719 don't really see much as the black. It's all your racial it's got to 958 01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:15.360 be white girl, black guy, or you got the white guy black girl. 959 01:04:15.639 --> 01:04:18.599 Sure, a lot of just black on black as a sales state anymore. 960 01:04:18.760 --> 01:04:24.159 I don't see it. I wonder if it has to do with demographics. 961 01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:26.960 I don't know, but I don't know. That's what Hardy has. 962 01:04:27.079 --> 01:04:31.440 Kurts that are always like you're you're doing like gang bangs will get real popular 963 01:04:31.559 --> 01:04:35.719 one year, everyone else gang bangs or blowbangs. Blow bangs are really in 964 01:04:35.840 --> 01:04:42.760 right now? Sure every blowbang? All right? One last question then I 965 01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:45.559 want to run through that list of girls. See what you remember what you 966 01:04:45.639 --> 01:04:50.280 don't? Uh? My question here is and I think I know one specifically, 967 01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:54.400 but maybe not. Did you take any you were a prolific director who 968 01:04:54.440 --> 01:04:58.239 still are a prolific director? Did you take any female performers under your wing 969 01:04:58.320 --> 01:05:01.119 in terms of directing, in terms of teaching directing, or anything like that. 970 01:05:04.239 --> 01:05:09.119 Well, probably a girlvert because actually needs to work there the time. 971 01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:13.000 That's that's who I was thinking. Ashley Blue was the one that stands out 972 01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:15.039 to me. But I didn't know if there was anyone else, Like, 973 01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:17.079 did you have girls that would come in and shoot a scene but then also 974 01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:21.880 ask you behind the camera questions or yeah, plenty of them. Remember when 975 01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:26.880 I was at Sinton City, we'd always have all those contract girls, like 976 01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:30.360 a lot of them, like would have movies and I would be there basically 977 01:05:30.480 --> 01:05:33.440 ghost director shooting the camera for him. You know, So, God, 978 01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:40.079 I did, Tory Lane, I did. What are their names? I 979 01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:45.239 forgot all the names, h Ror Snow, God, who are so many 980 01:05:45.239 --> 01:05:49.360 other ones? What was the one from New York? What her name? 981 01:05:50.039 --> 01:05:55.480 She did a big cream pie movie? She was real wilder, Like she 982 01:05:55.559 --> 01:06:00.400 went to Europe and like seventy guys came in AUSS. I don't know, 983 01:06:00.559 --> 01:06:05.280 I'm thinking I was thinking of your fifty guy cream pie movie? Was Jennifer 984 01:06:05.599 --> 01:06:11.199 light Yeah, right right now? Yeah, I don't know the seventy guys 985 01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:15.519 in the ass one? Hmmm. I don't know. But I mean, 986 01:06:16.440 --> 01:06:20.079 were you were you willing to give that kind of you know, Okay, 987 01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:25.280 sure, sure, sure? Because does anything I help them? I picture 988 01:06:25.360 --> 01:06:29.880 nowadays, you know, with the proliferation of OnlyFans and everything else, that 989 01:06:29.920 --> 01:06:34.280 there's so many girls who I mean the performers we talked to who are seem 990 01:06:34.400 --> 01:06:39.480 like they're primarily in front of the camera and know so much about behind it 991 01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:43.159 as well, because they're shooting it themselves, lighting scenes and all the shit. 992 01:06:43.239 --> 01:06:45.840 I paid forty grand to go to film school for. I should have 993 01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:54.360 done porn. I should have just let people the seven guys in Europe. 994 01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:58.159 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna shut my camera down here 995 01:06:58.400 --> 01:07:00.920 because I'm going to change the back. So this is my list of the 996 01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:05.159 top ten girls of the early ish two thousands, probably goes up to twenty 997 01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:10.079 ten. If you remember any stories about them, anything like that, recall 998 01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:13.920 how they were as a performer. I made sure to grab mostly girls who 999 01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:15.840 were out of the industry, just because you don't want to step on any 1000 01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:19.760 toes. Not looking for any negative stories, but if there is one and 1001 01:07:19.800 --> 01:07:24.639 you're willing to say it, hey that's fine. Positive stories are good too. 1002 01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:30.960 Number ten on my list was did that change? Oh? Really, 1003 01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:38.679 I don't see anything. Yeah, Jalen Fox. Do you remember anything about 1004 01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:43.960 Jalen? I also made sure to make to that you had directed them in 1005 01:07:44.079 --> 01:07:46.320 scenes. Yeah. I shot her a few times, actually, a bunch 1006 01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:55.800 of times. I remember that Jalen. I think she was Sarka two thousand 1007 01:07:55.840 --> 01:08:00.559 and nine ish ten, right, yep, Yeah, she was kind of 1008 01:08:00.559 --> 01:08:03.840 the later towards the very ending of the Bocockis and stuff. She was on 1009 01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:06.599 the last ones. I just remember because we used to do a bunch of 1010 01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:11.639 stuff with Porno Dan with her where she did like a lot of the fucking 1011 01:08:11.639 --> 01:08:14.440 fans. She did all that Porno Dan stuff. So I do remember. 1012 01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:20.239 I remember her Jalen Fox. I god, I you know a lot of 1013 01:08:20.239 --> 01:08:23.640 this stuff. If you remind me of some movies and started talking to me 1014 01:08:23.680 --> 01:08:26.439 a bunch of stuff and probably pop into my head. I really don't have 1015 01:08:26.479 --> 01:08:30.479 anything good or that day. I just remember she was really good. You 1016 01:08:30.520 --> 01:08:32.119 know, she was a wild you know, she was one of the classic 1017 01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:35.479 she was doing Gocuin and whatever. She was a cot count. Okay, 1018 01:08:36.600 --> 01:08:40.039 I'd have to look at the scene. What was this? Do you remember 1019 01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:44.159 which one was six? I believe doing it. Do you remember what the 1020 01:08:44.199 --> 01:08:47.760 scenario was? No? I do a lot of comm I think she does 1021 01:08:47.800 --> 01:08:51.560 she have goggles on. Maybe they all did. I don't know. We 1022 01:08:51.640 --> 01:08:55.560 did different things all the time. I was always I was always jumping the 1023 01:08:55.640 --> 01:09:00.239 shark we cooked the com We used to cook the comm This was discussed in 1024 01:09:00.279 --> 01:09:02.880 the world cooking eighty loads of comedy. Don't that smells like because I had, 1025 01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:09.000 Yeah, not pleasant, I'd assume. Let me say, I'm looking 1026 01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:11.960 at this. So I do remember her as being really wild. I don't 1027 01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:15.199 have a medical scene. It looks I know. She was a very fun 1028 01:09:15.239 --> 01:09:19.399 girl. Okay, okay, all right, fair enough. Number nine here 1029 01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:27.960 I would consider probably my favorite dirty talker in terms of piggishness, and that's 1030 01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:32.680 a compliment. It was Kelly Wells. Oh quite well, quite well. 1031 01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:40.239 I shot Kelly a bundle of times. Kelly was like, she just loved 1032 01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:45.560 Okay, She's from the era when they it was a very lot choking and 1033 01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:49.600 beating and slapping and you know, grabbing the heels, the face, bugging 1034 01:09:49.680 --> 01:10:00.239 the anal just right, grab before porn collapsed, when it was just your 1035 01:10:00.279 --> 01:10:02.640 red light. Everybody in the world was throwing on DVDs as fast as they 1036 01:10:02.640 --> 01:10:08.359 could, like it was the end of the Roman Empire era. So I 1037 01:10:08.439 --> 01:10:10.840 used to shoot Relox. She was like, I used to shoe camera for 1038 01:10:10.920 --> 01:10:14.199 Skeeter and she was one of his favorites. But yeah, I shot Kelly 1039 01:10:14.239 --> 01:10:18.199 a zillion times she was great wild. Yeah, that that's and you'll notice 1040 01:10:18.239 --> 01:10:25.239 a trend in my favoriteier. It's not this is not an insult. Obviously 1041 01:10:25.279 --> 01:10:31.119 there are my top ten lists. Not a conventionally attractive face. Attractive is 1042 01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:34.239 the wrong word there. You'll see by the time we get to number one, 1043 01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:39.640 how do I say, let's stick with conventional convention not conventional looks. 1044 01:10:39.800 --> 01:10:44.680 But I really love girl really was you know there for their girls cut from 1045 01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:48.199 that era, sure, but that's how they had to be in that area. 1046 01:10:48.319 --> 01:10:51.800 You conform to whatever area you're in, for sure. And these are 1047 01:10:51.800 --> 01:10:55.640 girls that would eat girls today alive. I get it. But that's because 1048 01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:58.720 the era they're from. Sure. So, And look at the type of 1049 01:10:58.720 --> 01:11:02.479 stuff. Tough Love the most brutal series ever made. Sure it was like 1050 01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:06.840 basically rape, you know, if you think about it, that's what it 1051 01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:15.159 was. Number eight on my list here Taylor Rain, Yeah quite well. 1052 01:11:15.399 --> 01:11:19.840 Taylor's funny. Taylor was buddies with Ashley, that was one of her best 1053 01:11:19.840 --> 01:11:29.560 friends, and then Taylor started dating Ashley's old boyfriend, Trent. If you 1054 01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:34.880 remember, after they broke up, Taylor was then dating him and everything she 1055 01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:40.359 was she was hilarious Taylor was funny. She was She became a realtor, 1056 01:11:40.399 --> 01:11:45.119 didn't she whatever happened to her. You know, I try and limit myself 1057 01:11:45.119 --> 01:11:47.800 from following it after the fact. That's when you for me personally, you're 1058 01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:50.680 involved in the industry. If I start looking up real names and what they 1059 01:11:50.680 --> 01:11:57.239 did after the fact that the border starts training order, no, no, 1060 01:11:57.239 --> 01:12:00.199 no, not quite. I just remember the last I'd never heard of her, 1061 01:12:00.199 --> 01:12:03.760 But Taylor was funny. That was one of Ashley's buddy so I must 1062 01:12:03.800 --> 01:12:06.640 have shot her thirty times. She was always on the set. She was 1063 01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:10.199 always hanging out with Actually, she would just hang out set all the time, 1064 01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:14.359 so she was always around us. She was cool, she was funny 1065 01:12:14.359 --> 01:12:17.399 as fuck. This girl could tell stories. There you go. I do 1066 01:12:17.520 --> 01:12:20.520 remember. I remember one time she was on the set because she was going 1067 01:12:20.600 --> 01:12:26.359 to be doing a movie with It was either de Niro or Puccino. I 1068 01:12:26.439 --> 01:12:30.039 figure which one it was. I go, really, go geody lines, 1069 01:12:30.039 --> 01:12:33.119 She goes, I only have forty lines of dialogue. You have forty lines 1070 01:12:33.159 --> 01:12:38.119 of dialogue with Nero. So I don't know what movie this was, But 1071 01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:41.399 anyway, that was I realized an interview. By the way, I actually 1072 01:12:41.399 --> 01:12:44.880 interviewed her because she was in that movie. I think, do you remember 1073 01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:49.199 Coxstar, Yeah, I believe. So. We would take these girls and 1074 01:12:49.199 --> 01:12:54.359 we would interview them and just let them say the most ridiculous things. And 1075 01:12:54.560 --> 01:12:59.039 we were trying to find the girls that were just like they were just ridiculous, 1076 01:12:59.039 --> 01:13:00.199 you know what I mean. She was one of them, Taylor was. 1077 01:13:00.520 --> 01:13:05.359 It was funny. Next okay, next number seven, Kayla Marie. 1078 01:13:06.560 --> 01:13:13.760 Yeah, I shot her. Uh that that seemed either like you don't remember 1079 01:13:13.800 --> 01:13:17.399 her or you do. I don't. Cayla's an only one. She look 1080 01:13:17.479 --> 01:13:20.199 a lot of times if you don't really remember the girls because they did their 1081 01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:25.800 job. They were good. Fair really remember because a really big quldn't stand 1082 01:13:25.800 --> 01:13:29.439 them, or they were really good. Fair Enough was always around. That's 1083 01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:31.960 why I totally remember Taylor Rain, Kayler Marae. I remember the face. 1084 01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:34.760 We shot her a lot. She was a regular. Yeah, she was 1085 01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:39.479 good. You know, I don't remember much about her. Gotcha fair Enough 1086 01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:44.560 number six still in the industry, Gianna Michaels. I didn't shoot her that 1087 01:13:44.720 --> 01:13:49.039 much. She was ridiculously popular though, and she was really good. She's 1088 01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:53.720 still she's still around. She is I think she does a lot of uh 1089 01:13:54.560 --> 01:14:00.920 more, the individual only fans and night flirt or tech whatever, those things 1090 01:14:00.520 --> 01:14:04.479 blew up fast and was literally was unbookable, like within a year. So 1091 01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:08.880 I didn't shoot her a lot a couple of times. That was it because 1092 01:14:08.880 --> 01:14:13.720 she got really really popular fast and it was just too hard to book her. 1093 01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:19.159 I went maybe eight years ago, Gianna Michaels and Sophie d were feature 1094 01:14:19.239 --> 01:14:25.640 dancing, and yeah they were feature dancing close to us. So my friend 1095 01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:30.359 drove me about forty miles out or forty minutes out, and I got so 1096 01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:33.359 pissed drunk, I mean just embarrassingly drunk. The bartender was cute. She 1097 01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:38.079 had this fucking what is it called Shane you hate it rock a billy look, 1098 01:14:38.279 --> 01:14:40.800 and I just kept handing her twenties. Hey, give me another drink, 1099 01:14:40.800 --> 01:14:43.279 give me another drinking, me another drink. By the end of the 1100 01:14:43.399 --> 01:14:47.439 night. Now Sophie also appeared to be consuming something as well. Sophie was 1101 01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:51.479 a drinker. Sophie used to get covered. Yeah she would have been on 1102 01:14:51.520 --> 01:14:55.079 this list, but I wanted to ask you more about the people that aren't 1103 01:14:55.119 --> 01:15:00.319 because Sophie, I mean seems like she's really blown up even more, really 1104 01:15:00.319 --> 01:15:02.920 well, she lives in Vegas. Like I said, she doesn't do foreign 1105 01:15:02.920 --> 01:15:06.079 anymore, but she dances and does her own thing in our private work. 1106 01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:10.640 But she's doing really well as far as I do. So by the end 1107 01:15:10.720 --> 01:15:15.359 of the night, I am there just pissed drunk at the bar, my 1108 01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:20.359 head like this, and across from me is Sophie d doing the same exact 1109 01:15:20.399 --> 01:15:25.399 thing, and we're both just I mean, face is melting, you know, 1110 01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:28.920 and my friend is saying, hey, we gotta leave, we gotta 1111 01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:30.399 leave. I said, hey, just a minute. We're looking at each 1112 01:15:30.439 --> 01:15:34.920 other like apes who had never seen this species before, and we're just trying 1113 01:15:34.920 --> 01:15:40.199 to analyze is this something like me? Or is this in a different genus? 1114 01:15:41.479 --> 01:15:45.159 And I had singles splayed out all over the bar, and she very 1115 01:15:45.279 --> 01:15:51.279 drunkenly but professionally takes the bud light bucket she had and puts it next to 1116 01:15:51.319 --> 01:15:56.399 the bar, slams it against it like kind of, and just takes all 1117 01:15:56.439 --> 01:16:00.399 of my singles and loads them into her bucket and then lays face down on 1118 01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:03.640 the bar. And I went time to go. When I turned around, 1119 01:16:03.680 --> 01:16:06.560 the left, who's good. I actually got kicked out that night, so 1120 01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:11.720 I don't know what happened between that and leaving? But yes, that is 1121 01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:17.920 my Sophi D's story. Uh all right, let's go to number five real 1122 01:16:18.000 --> 01:16:23.399 quick where it was done. Girls. I'm not trying to hey, hey, 1123 01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:26.199 hey, I heard you. I got it. I don't know what 1124 01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:29.000 to do. There's a fucking camera here. What do you want from me? 1125 01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:33.479 Ah? Fuck? You still see the name Paris slash Heather Gables. 1126 01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:36.600 I remember she changed her name at one point when the parasite when things started 1127 01:16:36.600 --> 01:16:40.119 breaking bait. Yeah, she had a different name, did she when she 1128 01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:44.920 was with the Extreme or whatever? They renamed her or something? Uh yeah, 1129 01:16:45.000 --> 01:16:47.039 I think again. I think it went to Paris after that. Ye 1130 01:16:47.800 --> 01:16:53.399 remember I heard all the time. I totally remember her. She's in fact, 1131 01:16:53.479 --> 01:16:58.079 I spoke to her last year. I think somehow somebody was talking to 1132 01:16:58.119 --> 01:17:00.520 her on the phone and they called him, hey, want to say hi 1133 01:17:00.560 --> 01:17:04.079 to Heather. I forget who it was. It was male talent. Some 1134 01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:09.399 male talent on the set hunged out with her. She lives in Florida and 1135 01:17:09.479 --> 01:17:12.279 put her on the phone with me and I actually ended her at eight am, 1136 01:17:12.399 --> 01:17:15.359 like probably seven years ago or something. So she's still kind of around. 1137 01:17:15.399 --> 01:17:19.079 She does step in Florida. I don't know what she does, okay, 1138 01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:24.000 picture to Yeah, I don't trust me. The audience isn't going to 1139 01:17:24.039 --> 01:17:27.199 see it anyway. It's just because I wanted to give you a visual representation 1140 01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:30.239 of it. Who are you talking about here? Okay? She was one 1141 01:17:30.279 --> 01:17:33.880 of Ashley's buddies. She's from that whole Arab girl vert and we used to 1142 01:17:33.920 --> 01:17:40.560 shoot her all the time. She was a regular. Okay, number four. 1143 01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:48.800 Let me see if I can move Tiffany Holiday or she had a boyfriend 1144 01:17:48.880 --> 01:17:53.600 or something. I remember. I can't see what I shot her when I 1145 01:17:53.600 --> 01:18:00.119 shoot her in Oh, let's see Gag Factor seventeen, the Babysitter twenty or 1146 01:18:00.159 --> 01:18:03.319 sure the same. But yeah, I remember Tiffany Holiday. It's another one. 1147 01:18:03.640 --> 01:18:09.880 I remember. She's from the era I shot her as some boyfriend or 1148 01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:14.560 somebody, some boyfriend or something buddy I knew she was dating. That's all 1149 01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:18.239 I remember about her. She I think had my favorite and again, who 1150 01:18:18.279 --> 01:18:24.680 gives a ship? My favorite nipples of all time personally and ariola. There 1151 01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:28.279 you go. That's all a little fun fact about me. I thought on 1152 01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:33.239 your fucking tombs. Yeah yeah, number three on my list. Gauge obviously, 1153 01:18:33.279 --> 01:18:38.479 We've talked about her before, Gauge in fact, Great Gauge, we 1154 01:18:38.640 --> 01:18:43.479 guy in the business. She had a boyfriend named Mojo. Obviously they broke 1155 01:18:43.560 --> 01:18:46.640 up or whatever, but Gage was a character. She was like, this 1156 01:18:46.840 --> 01:18:53.880 Southern girl is just wild. She was like the queen of scorting and pissing 1157 01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:57.520 and everything, wasn't she? She was up there? Yeah, she told 1158 01:18:57.600 --> 01:19:00.239 us on the podcast, actually the first time she had ever told it, 1159 01:19:00.319 --> 01:19:02.600 I guess publicly. She told us at least how she got her name, 1160 01:19:03.159 --> 01:19:08.000 and it was when she was dancing and got some I don't know, some 1161 01:19:08.039 --> 01:19:11.600 shit kicking hill billy in Arkansas or somewhere said, damn you like a twelve 1162 01:19:11.680 --> 01:19:14.680 Gage shotgun and she said, there's my name. Gage jumped up on the 1163 01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:20.479 stage. There it was. Your boyfriend was Mojo Gage in Morojo. That's 1164 01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:26.359 how I love The first time. Number two again, not a lot of 1165 01:19:26.359 --> 01:19:30.079 scenes, so you may not know where as well. It was Cammy Andrews. 1166 01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:32.840 Oh my god, I shot Cammy Andrews a zillion time, did you 1167 01:19:33.560 --> 01:19:38.520 Andrews? Because you just have the stuff my name I used to shoot under 1168 01:19:38.560 --> 01:19:42.000 a bunch of different names back thinks, look at Jim. They didn't want 1169 01:19:42.079 --> 01:19:45.760 to loot the market in those days of this different world. So each company 1170 01:19:45.800 --> 01:19:47.960 I shopped for I had a different director. Nay I shopped for I was 1171 01:19:48.239 --> 01:19:54.439 stive, stive baters or stive gators. I called myself my shop for coast 1172 01:19:54.479 --> 01:19:58.520 to coast or stive baters with dead boys. There was the New Church anyway. 1173 01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:00.880 That's who I was over there. And I used to shoot her like 1174 01:20:01.000 --> 01:20:04.680 I do everybody names like Ip Freely and stuff. She used to do a 1175 01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:09.119 lot of pea videos and stuff. So I used to shoot her for film 1176 01:20:09.199 --> 01:20:12.439 Coat a lot in a lot of these other companies I shot came as zillion 1177 01:20:12.520 --> 01:20:19.039 times. I just loved how again beautiful but unconventional and just dirty. I 1178 01:20:19.079 --> 01:20:24.920 mean, you know, he was great, really good. Her best friend 1179 01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:29.520 was I think it was? Was it her Riquel Divine buddies, can't I 1180 01:20:29.600 --> 01:20:32.079 think herm ri Keel Divine kind of came in together. I don't Yeah, 1181 01:20:32.079 --> 01:20:34.760 I don't know. I don't know. It's weird. I don't know her 1182 01:20:36.479 --> 01:20:40.359 hmm, yeah, I don't know. I know a lot about that era, 1183 01:20:40.520 --> 01:20:43.079 but you know, with the things I don't, I guess I don't. 1184 01:20:43.079 --> 01:20:45.960 So let me ask you. Seeing the people I've gone through seeing what 1185 01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:49.000 we've talked about. Who do you think the number one is if you were 1186 01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:56.319 to just guess Ashley Blue now not Ashley Blue, oh, then Tory Lane 1187 01:20:56.600 --> 01:21:00.680 or Snow Gia Paloma. Oh my god, I know her quite well. 1188 01:21:00.920 --> 01:21:05.359 Yeah, yeah, I if we are able to get Gia Paloma on the 1189 01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:12.399 show, it'll be the last episode that that she was directing. You know, 1190 01:21:12.399 --> 01:21:15.079 I was shooting camera for like two years, remember before COVID, and 1191 01:21:15.720 --> 01:21:20.239 she's got kids and everything, and she's married and she's just completely left all 1192 01:21:20.279 --> 01:21:25.159 for her. She had nothing to do. But I when the first time 1193 01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:28.239 I shot Ga, I show remember her he for scenes. She was still 1194 01:21:28.279 --> 01:21:32.960 working at Starbucks, and I think she came on the office. We shown 1195 01:21:32.960 --> 01:21:36.359 her a gag Factor and then she came by to visit. I said, 1196 01:21:36.399 --> 01:21:39.479 Hey, you were doing a p cocky layer that night. You want to 1197 01:21:39.479 --> 01:21:43.640 stop by the said see what it's like. So whatever, whoever was driving 1198 01:21:43.680 --> 01:21:47.960 around agent or whatever, she came by the Cocky and then we would shoot 1199 01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:51.439 her all the time she was and she's like on the cover of Fuck Pig 1200 01:21:51.479 --> 01:21:57.800 and everything. Gia Ploma is a filthy, fucking pig and all these all 1201 01:21:57.840 --> 01:22:00.960 these different lines. Yeah, she was. She's a what was it, 1202 01:22:01.520 --> 01:22:06.079 wink like a pig or what was that lion? We used to do squeal 1203 01:22:06.159 --> 01:22:12.279 like a pig. And yeah, Geo was a rego. She's she liked 1204 01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:15.520 getting monkey punched, you know, donkey punch. That's that's what I was 1205 01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:17.560 gonna say. I think you were the first one to have that on film, 1206 01:22:17.680 --> 01:22:21.239 right, I think I was. I look at somebody had done it, 1207 01:22:21.279 --> 01:22:25.039 but like Jeff Mike would see this ship goes, you need to do 1208 01:22:25.079 --> 01:22:28.439 this. So yeah, it was ga Plow it's in. I think I 1209 01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:32.279 got her mouth right, got her mouth shirty. I think some guy named 1210 01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:36.880 Alex maybe Alex Sanders was so good at the tough loves and all that stuff. 1211 01:22:36.920 --> 01:22:42.159 Yeah, back in those days. And yeah, Gia Paloma she was 1212 01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:45.159 great. I'm that's another one my one of my favorite scenes. I shot 1213 01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:54.079 her in a Filthy Things number is it one? I think Filthy Things number 1214 01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:59.880 one. I shoot her in a fraternity house and there's literally a hundred drunken 1215 01:23:00.079 --> 01:23:02.239 eyes. You watch the scene all around the thing and they're on the table 1216 01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:11.800 and Dave Hardman is fucking wearing a mask and we're taking this giant plexiglass tube 1217 01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:15.680 because they were like to put to stick up her and they're shoving it up 1218 01:23:15.680 --> 01:23:19.479 her and everything and it's it's in. Yeah, she's in a lot of 1219 01:23:19.520 --> 01:23:23.600 those old She's the cover and mouth Take a look at the cover of mouth 1220 01:23:23.640 --> 01:23:27.279 Be one. Google it right now the cover. Oh yeah, I am 1221 01:23:27.359 --> 01:23:31.520 there. Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was our mouth beat 1222 01:23:31.560 --> 01:23:34.239 too. She's the number two. Maybe she's mouth be too, her mouth 1223 01:23:34.319 --> 01:23:45.560 beat too powers Bill, Yeah, number two. I can't give yeah. 1224 01:23:45.640 --> 01:23:47.439 Yeah, and that's what I was going to ask you. That was with 1225 01:23:47.479 --> 01:23:50.319 the the I can't I can't show it because this is gonna eventually go on 1226 01:23:50.319 --> 01:23:55.399 YouTube. But you got the monster eyes and the big eye lashes and the 1227 01:23:55.439 --> 01:23:59.840 punk hair, the real it's uh, that was too. Does that go 1228 01:24:00.239 --> 01:24:02.920 to some of your creativity in terms of you when you wanted to do weird 1229 01:24:03.119 --> 01:24:06.680 looking stuff. Yeah. She's kept on a chain because she's a wild animal, 1230 01:24:06.680 --> 01:24:10.319 and they bring her the room. She's snipping everybody like a like a 1231 01:24:10.359 --> 01:24:15.119 dog, and then we pur loose on them and she blows like when I 1232 01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:16.840 had like forty guys or something, I don't this is the number on the 1233 01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:23.039 cover, sure of eight girls, fifty two cocks. Yes, yeah, 1234 01:24:23.079 --> 01:24:25.479 Well she probably, but she had the line and share. Some are one 1235 01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:29.359 on ones or whatever. But that's during that arable. We needed all those 1236 01:24:29.399 --> 01:24:31.319 numbers. You see what There was tons of this work they do, but 1237 01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:35.479 cockey they'd come to a mountain, they'd get a blow blow bang. We 1238 01:24:35.800 --> 01:24:40.600 actually we never did the blowbangs. We did do a blow bang. It 1239 01:24:40.680 --> 01:24:43.800 was a dual iced to do the suck off challenge. Yeah, yeah, 1240 01:24:44.239 --> 01:24:46.479 I like that. I like those. Yeah yeah, we do the suck 1241 01:24:46.479 --> 01:24:49.479 off challenges in those days. I never really need to blow bangs or either 1242 01:24:49.680 --> 01:24:54.840 gang bangings or I guess that is a blowbang, but you know it's a 1243 01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:57.640 funny mouthing. I didn't even think about that. It's just a blowbang, 1244 01:24:57.680 --> 01:25:02.800 isn't it. But we didn't call it back then. Yeah, more things 1245 01:25:03.000 --> 01:25:08.000 change, the more they stay the same, Right. I got people all 1246 01:25:08.000 --> 01:25:09.680 the time. I'll say things to me and said, oh, we need 1247 01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:12.359 to do this. I'm like Jesus, I shot that nineteen ninety four, 1248 01:25:12.399 --> 01:25:15.239 you know what I mean. It's like like, you know, like I 1249 01:25:15.279 --> 01:25:17.079 don't even reverse g anywaycause the first time I shot one like that, who 1250 01:25:17.159 --> 01:25:20.239 was it? I think Rocco and Freddy I did it with like ten Girls 1251 01:25:20.239 --> 01:25:26.399 in ninety three Jerry Pike, Remember that guy? I did him in a 1252 01:25:26.560 --> 01:25:32.000 Ferrari dealership or Porsche dealership, doing like twelve girls back ninety fourish by to 1253 01:25:32.000 --> 01:25:35.640 the same period. A. Yeah, one more and then we can wrap 1254 01:25:35.760 --> 01:25:41.359 up. Only because I notice her here on this and it always makes me 1255 01:25:41.439 --> 01:25:48.079 sad. How well did you know Haley Page? Am I at the Blonde? 1256 01:25:48.680 --> 01:25:56.319 No, she was married to Chico Wang. I knew her very well, 1257 01:25:56.479 --> 01:25:59.399 did you. Yeah, I shot her. We'll take the look. 1258 01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:02.000 She's on the cover Filthy Things number one. Yep. I used to shoot 1259 01:26:02.000 --> 01:26:09.000 her all the time, and she was very She's a good girl. We 1260 01:26:09.399 --> 01:26:13.000 tried a bunch and she got caught up with Chico. And you're not supposed 1261 01:26:13.000 --> 01:26:15.239 to talk about that about the dead people, but she was a deck It 1262 01:26:15.319 --> 01:26:19.960 wasn't I did not like she. Yeah, well, I mean you turned 1263 01:26:19.960 --> 01:26:25.840 out to be right on that one. I think that's fair. Yeah all 1264 01:26:25.920 --> 01:26:29.760 right, Well, thank you for indulging me on all of that, Jim. 1265 01:26:30.640 --> 01:26:32.399 Anytime I talk to any of these new girls that we interview, I 1266 01:26:32.439 --> 01:26:34.680 go like, so, who are your favorites? And they go, you 1267 01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:38.960 know this person, this person. I want one girl to go man, 1268 01:26:39.039 --> 01:26:42.439 nobody fucked like Kelly Wells and be like, yeah, yeah, you know 1269 01:26:42.479 --> 01:26:46.000 what I'm talking about. But that was that era though. Look at the 1270 01:26:46.119 --> 01:26:53.800 girls you just brought up, like it's everybody like every era kind of it's 1271 01:26:53.920 --> 01:26:57.520 different, but that was that era. We're coming right out of that crazy 1272 01:26:57.760 --> 01:27:01.359 era of everyone hopping each other into this into that era that they were like 1273 01:27:01.439 --> 01:27:05.600 these superstars a fuck and they took it as a badge of honor that they 1274 01:27:05.600 --> 01:27:09.840 would literally fuck the shit out of the guy and show up and destroy them. 1275 01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:15.079 And that's what these girls were like. That's why I call it the 1276 01:27:15.079 --> 01:27:20.239 Golden Era personally, really really and everybody was shooting in so much and stuff 1277 01:27:20.279 --> 01:27:24.199 that's going, you know, it was just it was right, you know, 1278 01:27:24.319 --> 01:27:26.960 especially as the ones you're showing me there, Ga, Kelly, because 1279 01:27:26.960 --> 01:27:30.760 you basically brought ten girls from the same era. Sure. Oh yeah, 1280 01:27:30.800 --> 01:27:34.119 well, and I think I mean that was when Shane and I were fifteen 1281 01:27:34.239 --> 01:27:39.640 to twenty five, you know. And I go back and I look at 1282 01:27:39.640 --> 01:27:48.960 the first porn DVD I ever bought. It was fucked me whatever, I'm 1283 01:27:49.279 --> 01:27:51.840 blanking on it now, But I went back and I looked at it the 1284 01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:55.279 other day and I went, oh, those are like all of my favorite 1285 01:27:55.319 --> 01:27:59.439 girls, like some of the Elisa Sparks and Andy Cruz, Gia Paloma. 1286 01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:01.920 Well, I'm surprised you don't have like Hannah Harper in there, and who 1287 01:28:01.920 --> 01:28:05.479 else or some other ones. Tory Lane. I like Tori, but you 1288 01:28:05.520 --> 01:28:09.000 know what, to me, I know, it sounds weird and this is 1289 01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:11.960 probably gonna be really insulting to my wife because I think she's beautiful. But 1290 01:28:12.279 --> 01:28:16.319 I really like that unconventional face. And yeah, I trust Miami. I 1291 01:28:16.359 --> 01:28:20.600 like Tory Lane too, but it's more those are more like a little symmetrical. 1292 01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:28.720 You look at Giapaloma and it's like, I don't know, this is 1293 01:28:28.800 --> 01:28:31.880 insulting to say. It feels a little more attainable than more of like the 1294 01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:36.439 bimbofied you know, girls of today and stuff like that. I don't know, 1295 01:28:38.479 --> 01:28:42.279 whatever, let's pretty bimbo fire in that picture. Oh yeah, no, 1296 01:28:42.439 --> 01:28:45.319 and that was I think that was later. She got the implants and 1297 01:28:45.319 --> 01:28:47.520 stuff like that at the ending. Take a look at her early stuff. 1298 01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:50.319 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I you know, I've seen 1299 01:28:50.399 --> 01:28:55.479 I've seen plenty of it. Like I said, look at watch the scene. 1300 01:28:55.760 --> 01:28:59.239 It's here filtering things one or two. It might be number two. 1301 01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:03.960 Watch that scene with Gia Paloma. I promise you I've seen it, Jim. 1302 01:29:04.439 --> 01:29:12.039 I guarantee you I've seen it. He's seen it. Ladies and gentlemen, 1303 01:29:12.039 --> 01:29:15.560 tonight we had with us mister Jim Powers. Prolific director. I would 1304 01:29:15.640 --> 01:29:21.159 say he's worked with everyone that I've ever loved in my life. You can 1305 01:29:21.159 --> 01:29:26.640 find him on Twitter at Jim Powers xxx and uh, you know, check 1306 01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:30.199 the episode description below for links to everything. In fact, I'll put a 1307 01:29:30.199 --> 01:29:33.600 little thing on there for what is it, Kilroy? Yeah, yeah, 1308 01:29:34.079 --> 01:29:38.119 there you go. There you go. There's your links. Jim. Thank 1309 01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:40.720 you very much for coming on with us tonight. Cool. You guys, 1310 01:29:40.760 --> 01:29:43.920 have a good night for your worst friend. I'm Matt, I'm Shane. 1311 01:29:44.199 --> 01:30:00.680 Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week. Take care, guys to