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You're watching Your Worst Friend Going Deeper
Season five. Today's guest legendary adult film

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director Jim Powers. Here's your host, Matt and Shane. You're watching YWF

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Going Deeper Season five. I'm Matt
and I'm joined today by my lovely co

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host Shane. What's up? Go
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Today, Ladies and gentlemen, we're
joined by very special guests. You

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might know him as the director of
such cinematic masterpieces as American book Cocky Series,

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Liquid Gold Series and the Guttermouth series
and the Girl Vert series. I

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threw an extra hand in there by
accident. He's directed former guests of ours

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Sarah j Anna fox K Lovely.
You find him on Twitter at Jim Powers

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xxx. And for links to everything
we're going to talk about today, you

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can check out the episode description below. Ladies and gentlemen join us in welcoming

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to the show the legendary director Jim
Powers. Jim, thank you very much

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for coming on with us tonight.
Thanks for having me so as I was

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telling you before the show started,
Shane and I are right around the age

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where you know, we got the
first America online, you'd get the discs

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in the mail, and then right
after that step is when you could really

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start hitting websites hard, okay and
else hard too. I'm sure I would

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you. Are you one of those
people that say every day I wake up

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is my prime? Or do you
think maybe that was your prime back then?

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Oh? God, I didn't think
it was my prime at the time.

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I just keep on stumbling through life. So I don't think it's any

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different nowadays. For the most part, I think it was a little crazier

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back then, the type of stuff
you were doing, so it was it

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was just a different world. But
you know, things changed. The more

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changes, the more it stays the
same. So for sure, for sure.

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So how did you, and I've
done a little background research before the

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audience, how did you initially get
into the industry. I started out we

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were going to make kickboxing videos,
and it started out and it's you've heard

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the story, but it's a long
story. Short ends up being with my

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partners goes, we can't go into
business with this guy. He used to

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shoot porn movies. There's no way
we can be involved with them. Why

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he goes, well, that's the
mafia, you know, and the mafia

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runs porn. So I'm like,
oh, that makes sense, let's not

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get into porn. And ending one
leads to another and one there, and

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we started making porn movies because one
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that when we put out the kickboxing
thing said you guys should be informed.

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So we set up a distributor ship. It didn't really work out, so

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I headed back to California. This
is back in Florida, back in nineteen

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ninety with Buck Adams. You might
remember Buck Adams. Sure, he's a

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director in the eighties. He's Amber
Lyn's brother. That's who he is.

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Okay, he's been dead for a
while. And so anyway, we came

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out to California to shoot our first
movie, which was a thirty five millimeter

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film, My first movie. Okay, hey, how to pull this thing

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off the screen or does it stay
up there? This meeting is being recorded

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and I pulled out. I think
you just hate got it? I don't

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know, I got it wonderful.
There you go. So, I mean,

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were you always like a creative guy
where you're interested? I know you

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were back you were in a band
back in the day, right, has

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that always just been your thing?
Yeah? You still are. Yeah,

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that's true. I should check out
Kilroy. We're on iTunes and have a

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bunch of albums. I played some
for Shane before we got you on here

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today. Well you played me like
twelve seconds. Well it was on Yeah,

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it was on iTunes, like the
preview thing, and I was like,

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that sounds pretty good. Yeah,
I like that brutalized. Listen to

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the new one, brutalized. Okay, there you go, we'll check it.

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Maybe maybe next time, I don't
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I was trying to give you the
real feel. I was trying to get

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you, like, you know,
a real sense of show was back in

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the day. I wanted to eventually
show you the progression and the evolution of

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this gentleman here. Okay, it's
still the same, nothing has changed.

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Yeah, that's Shane and I from
high school. Pretty much the same thing.

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Six songs from back then. Yeah
yeah, yeah. Now when you

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grow up, you're getting closer to
death. So don't grow up. It's

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just how I've always seen it,
exactly, and your way through life.

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So again, was this did you
get like embedded in the industry and you

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started to really fall in love with
it or was it a great way for

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you to make money and you realized
you were good at it and you were

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able to do it. Did you
like the industry when you first got into

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it. Okay, everything for me
in the beginning was very accidental. I

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really wasn't trying to become a pornographer. So I did this movie with Block

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and I go that was it was
a one off thing. What was the

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point of this. It's not like
I want really wanted to be in porn

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that bad, and it's kind of
like everything. It's like every in porns.

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The first couple of years with most
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we make this movie. So now
I'm back in La I get a job.

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So I started working for this guy, you know, being a pitchman

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for you know, funding for loans. And my boss I told me,

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yeah, I made this porn once, and this crazy boss I had,

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He goes, really, you know, we need to make some those amateur

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movies. Could you could you?
Could you get some girls down here and

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film me? Because he was he
ran a swinger colony or something. He

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was the head guy who lived at
or not Swinger Placement. Knew this colony,

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and I'm like, what the fuck? But because I knew world modeling,

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because I did with the one movie, I go get a couple of

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girls. I come back there and
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office. Here I am in Huntington
Beach, you know, this nice corporate

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building and on a weekend I'm filming, my boss has sex with these two

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porn girls. So once again,
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the story was like later that year, I just happened to be at a

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van awards. I was with you
know, hang out with No Effects a

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lot, So it was with no
effect and those guys and we just went

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over to the ballets. This is
just pure luck. And it happened to

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be back in those days they do
the awards at the valleys and everybody was

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hanging at the bar, and you
know, so balls in these porn people

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knew me from that one movie and
they're like, yeah, man, Jum,

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you need to make another movie.
I'm like, hell no, the

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movie sucked. I made it cost
a bunch of money. I didn't make

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any money. I don't want to
do it. So if you guys were

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with the band strung out, but
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I've heard the name yeah, But
anyway, I got the drummer in

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me. He's like, well,
look at how much can you make a

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porn movie for. I could do
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I keep in mind this nineteen ninety
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so you know, like I knew
that kind of the amateur rates at the

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time. They go, well,
fuck, I could make a better porn

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movie than I made for five thousand
dollars. So we ended up making this

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movie. One of the guys in
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the director who wrote it and everything. I was going to be the producer

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it together, you know, the
producer, because I never picked up a

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camera and anything. And I still
wasn't trying to be any you know,

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there was no gym powers or anything
back then. And so what happened was

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I get to the set that morning
and he's an acid He took acid in

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preparation laying around the ground, was
laying there staring at his cigarette, and

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I realized what he's doing. He's
looking at the trails. I'm like,

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he took acid. You have to
direct this movie, you know, making

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got a lot invested in this thing, right, and so I ended up

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taking over directing the porn. So
what was it like an easy Rider inspired

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or like what what kind of porn
was it? Like? Was he trying

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to get into like some sort of
like was he an a tour? Like

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he was an all tour? Yeah? He was? Okay? Okay?

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Was he a guy who liked acid? Like? You know all right?

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Was it his first time? Well? This the song? Like? Is

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that? What was the one?
I did this right about them? For

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no effects? Let me use their
music to open the movie. So they

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had just an S and M airlines. The movie opens with Vanilla Sacks?

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Is they you know, Mike,
let me put it on it. And

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so this movie was about this guy
who captures these girls and he wears a

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TV on his head because the guy
who was acting the movie was in a

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band called glue Gun, and that
was the shtick. On stage, he'd

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wear a TV on his head and
like TV, he's taking us over.

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Whoever knew what it was some punk
band and so they would be capturing the

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people and whatever having sex. We
had all these cut up things on the

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walls, like cut up magazines and
whatever. We thought it was really already

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at the time, We're making this
punk rock porn and a lot of these

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guys are in the movie. If
you ever see this old movie never he

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made it to DVD. It's like
music, I know that side the Hellcats,

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you know all these punk bands,
or is this movie and you make

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this ridiculous movie? Yeah, to
get into the headspace he was gonna get

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an accident and everything because everybodought was
gonna get a party there. They didn't

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realize that is any work. And
I've done that film, so I know

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you don't just don't do drugs and
make a movie. You know, it's

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not that easy. So I had
to take over doing everything. I don't

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know, the sixties might disagree with
you. Did you see early on a

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lot of porn sets devolve into parties
or no. I feel like, not

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not like big name, not like
when you were actually in the game,

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but like when you're really trying to
because I feel like, I mean,

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I've shot little independent movies and it
takes it takes six hours to shoot one

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scene and it's because everyone's fucking,
you know, making jokes over here doing

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this. By the end you're fucking
holding back a tear going. We got

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thirty seconds of footage over six hours. I am fucked and I don't know

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what to do. Isn't that kind
of the point of Boogie Nights? Well

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yeah, but horn sets themselves are
not parties in Bogie Knights, right right,

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right? Like that, that's what
they're kind of trying to show,

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right, is like the more Mark
Wahlberg tries to make it all a porn

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or a party, like the more, he's hurting his career and ruining the

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shoot for everybody else. So I
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the nineties, you guys probably had
a pretty smooth routine, Like you had

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a science for shooting a porn by
then, right, So anyway, I

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never had any training in porn or
anything. So here's so once again I

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make this movie. I can't sell
it. I'm like, I have nothing

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to do it for him. I
don't you know, I'm out of forn

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again, and I end up selling
the movie. This movie at first,

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this one, the first one speed
Trap went to BCA. In this movie,

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Bilsbies went to mid Here's what happened. Here's how I got going porn.

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So I go into the Midnight office
and I meet the main guy there,

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Kevin beachin yeah, I'm giving in
the movie. He says to me,

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Hey, you want to shoot some
amateur for scenes from this weekend?

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And I'm like, well, I
don't know anything about shooting. I've never

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picked up a camera. Because it's
amateur. You just pick up a camera.

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I'm like, where do I get
the people? He's like, because

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they're amateurs, right, because you
just go up to people in the street

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and ask them if they want to
fuck. I go really, that's all

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I have to do. He goes, Yeah. So at the time,

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my buddy remember jug Head's Revenge,
that band that your guys are probably kind

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from that era and one of the
nitro bands like Offspring. Okay, yeah,

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I got him a job over at
this one stop at the time,

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and I tell him about this thing, and he goes because he wanted to

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be in a porn and he's like, well, I got this guy over

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here who can book the girls and
everything for you, and he has access

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to all of them. I'm like, all right now, oh my back

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to backup. The reason I got
this thing is lin On Beach bumb amateurs.

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There used to be a guy in
Alexander who started a company called Anabolic

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Video, famous for the gang bangs
Chris had just I knew Chris when I

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was trying to book him in The
Hills Have Thighs. He ended up not

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doing it, but he quit making
amateurs because Anabolic had just released their first

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two movies and was about to take
off, and he didn't want to be

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shooting the amateurs anymore, just his
own stuff, because he did that famous

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Debbie Diamond gang bang and Tricksy Tyler. Right away, I'm like, okay,

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so anyway, now I'm gonna shoot
these amateurs I get at the time.

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This is before he was David Lord's. David Lords was a salesman at

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the company that too the guy from
Drugheads introduced me to and because I thought,

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okay, it's a beach movie.
You have to shoot at the beach.

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And I didn't know anything about legality
or anything. So we went down

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to the beach in Ballibu and we
got a bunch of people and I just

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started filming him and have sex on
the beach in public show and I shoot

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the first scene and the place is
starting to fill up and people are starting

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to point to look at us,
and I guess and my friends said we

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should get out of there. So
we go to another place up in the

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Hollywood Hills. One of his clients
he's dead. Now you remember the old

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surfing director Dale Davis Walk on the
West Side, all that stuff in the

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sixties, like he produced like Jan
and Den Jan Deane were like, yeah,

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I know the name, yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah. If

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you're at all in the old surfing
directors. He was one of the creators

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of the surfing film yeah if you're
Google. And he's a very famous surf

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director. So this is how I
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there and I shoot these amateur scenes
whatever you know, and I go drop

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them off and Kevin once again,
he's like, oh, these are great.

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I want you to shoot more.
I do not. I want to

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do it. He's like, why
because I lost two hundred dollars doing it.

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I'm not making a career at a
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I'm not going to make porn.
And he goes throws five hundred dollars

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at me. But he goes,
now, now you've made a three or

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dollars prop because what he did is
he took a look at the back.

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In those days, we'd shot what
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No, okay, you shot Let's
say you shot thirty five millimeter film on

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stills. Okay, still cameras would
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shooting thirty five millimere. The chrome
is like the ones that used to do

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slide shows. I mean, I
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paper and there. You have to
hold them up to a light to see

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them. Sure, in the old
days, your grandparents and your guys,

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the great great grandparents would play these
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flide shows. But that's how they
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called chromes, So you hold these
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his people fucking on the beach,
because that's why he said, go shoot

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me more of them. So anyway, I went down there and shot on

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the beach and ended up getting arrested. But back then, because porn had

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just become legal and eighty nine,
so they hit me when on felon accounts

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on pandering and conspiracy because when you
arrest somebody, because that goes back to

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the old al capone days, he
hit conspiracy, you know, you see

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all that stuffy always kind of a
conspiracy charge always triples it, right,

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Sure, and so that's why the
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it's worth doing crime with other people
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and pandering is basically being a pimp, because that's what they used to popy

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on the old days. Anyway,
Now I owe money into lawyers and you

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know, and basically I teamed up
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where he's like he would I would
get the girls, we would shoot them,

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like where he would get a blowjob
from them and then they do a

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girl girl and I would cut these
into my movies which will becoming the beach

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Ball Amateurs, and he would edit
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So I was getting basically free content
working at his house. And then I

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ended up paying all these legal bills, and you know, after you know,

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you start getting a reputation. I
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after that. Sure, and that's
where and jam was born from that.

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That's where the whole jam things started
with the days when David Lawrence was a

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salesman over there for Jeff Mike who
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then and this was the beginning where
Jeff Mike found me this guy who would

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do anything, and I became the
guy who started shooting all that Jam stuff.

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Okay, that was all the hockeys. All that shit came from that,

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you guys. I don't I don't
know if this is a touchy subject

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at all, but Jam eventually got
hit with an obscenity charge, right or

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they tried to. Yeah, a
lot of them, we had several had

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four or five fucking rand Larry Flint
is like one of my heroes. Uh

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just just because First Amendment rights,
you know, you want to put I

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one hundred percent believe in that,
and I believe in it. With born

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the Jam stuff, I was going
through it just so I could try and

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see what I remember what I did, and there was you know, it

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was classic stuff. We grew up. Really, man, Shane's gonna be

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on the outside just because he doesn't
know the names as much as I do.

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But like, uh, I remember
the slip. It's okay, okay,

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good. I grew a big on. I was a huge fan of

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the Extreme Associates line of DVDs.
We were past you know, VHS's.

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I don't think I ever owned a
VHS, did you, Shane. I

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never purchased VHS porn, but I
boot I had a VHS video that I

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I would stay home from school sick
some days, and then I would sneak

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my stepdad's porn or my dad's porn
his VHS's, and then I would take

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the two v vhs or the VCRs
at the same time, you know,

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sure, and copy it over forward
over, and like an old movie I

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got off TBS or something. So
it's say, like you know, Aladdin,

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it was actually, you know,
like cream Pie Queens or some shit

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like that. So it's funny,
Jim how you talked about how you get

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a reputation and it kind of just
becomes a snowball going downhill. We were

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we do a comedy show, is
what do? And we got an interview

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with a big name from the time
just by reaching out on Instagram saying hey,

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we were talking to interesting people,
people we found interesting, And by

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that I mean a fucking nine to
eleven conspiracy theorist, some Swedish guy who

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talked about fucking singularities and whatever whatever
it is. We were just trying to

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rip on people, and we reached
out to Gauge, who's big during that

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time, and she was like,
yeah, Mojo, yeah, yeah,

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Well we'll talk about her in a
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does. Yeah. And but again
that was the thing. She reached out

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and she said, or we reached
out and we said, hey, we

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want to interview. We did an
interview. It was a great time.

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Grabbed a couple more people just by
having a reputation of having talked to Gauge.

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Erica PR rep reached out, she's
wonderful. Then the other PR companies

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reach out and you just all of
a sudden, you go, well,

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now I have a porn star interview
show. Like it's weird, how it

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It kind of of not necessarily the
path you set out on, but it's

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something you become successful at because I
don't know, you have the grind to

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do it and it's in your wheelhouse, right, how dictators are made?

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Okay, yeah, sure, you
kill one guy and you go, well

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that was easy enough, right,
that's where you can keep it going.

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One dissident, Let's fix the world
now, Jim. You were known as

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kind of like an innovative guy and
the stuff you brought to this right,

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Can you tell us how you brought
bukkake to America? All right? Okay,

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a lot of things this jam jet
like love shocking everybody, and I

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would like the perfect guy to do
it for him because I would just do

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these. You know, it was
a weird era because I, like you

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guys are younger, but like before
you, right before DBDs came along,

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they existed before, but they took
over the market in two thousand and two.

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I'll never forget what happened? Was
it two? There was a two

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thousand and two or two thousand and
three. Literally you went from ninety percent

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of your sales to vhs to twenty
percent in thirty days. This is how

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fast when it finally took over.
Bet I know what it was, but

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that's it went so fast. Because
what happens is before then DVDs ha been

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out, but they used to be
made with what was called a glass master.

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Do you guys remember these terms?
Not glass master? No, I

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don't know that glass master would cost
you. Keep in mind fucking ninety set

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by ninety eight first DVDs that I
remember in ninety seven ninety eight, right,

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a glass master would cost ten thousand
dollars. So there's a barrier to

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entry. See, there's so much
form being put out that because there's no

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barrier to entry. Sure you know
what I mean, anybody can throw out

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of the only fans it's free to
set up this time. Porn in the

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old days there was a serious barrier
to entry. Like anything. There's it

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costs a lot of money to put
out something. Sure you could do the

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basic thing, but you got marketed. There's costs of you know, besides

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your production itself, but if you're
going to distribute it, then your distribution

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cost. Knowing people you have to
keep on putting on a bunch of movies

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whatever. It's called a barrier entry. So anyway, you had the DVDs

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with a ten thousand dollars costs on
them, the glass masters and nobody.

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The DVD thing lagged behind, and
the porn companies were afraid to go full

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steam into it, which are usually
the first one. The early adapter is

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always by porn, you know,
when it comes to technology. So the

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porn companies were scared to jump in
it because they got their asses, had

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to hand it to them. Prior
to that end, the CD RHM craze,

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the CD rom craise came before the
DVD craze. Before that came the

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laser discs crazed from the eighties.
I don't know if you remember the laser

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discs about that one, now,
was it? See? I went to

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school for film, and by the
way, when I got enough season classes,

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plenty of plenty of my teachers let
me know, like, you can

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always just direct porn, which I
now I find a little insulting, pretty

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corn to porn people, not to
me, like, I mean, no,

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absolutely not, I'm not talented enough. But I remember it was it

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VHS again, it's laser disc.
No, it was, Yeah, it

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was a VHS and Beta Max.
It was laser disc and and I think

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that was might have just been a
thing that nobody gave it about, okay,

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since I was like, it was
VHS versus data, okay, but

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it was the same basic type of
thing you had, Beata. That's like

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Tesla versus every other charge car,
right, you know, it's the same

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basic thing. It's just like Beta
was a better quality thing, but VHS

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marketed better and they took over the
marketplace. The Beta was ever better.

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Everybody knew that, but VHS went
in price recorders everything to the marketplace,

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and we can talk talking about sell
through and all sorts of things that change

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the full game. When sell through
products came into being. This is it's

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because look at everything we do nowadays. And so I said, the more

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stays changes, the more it stays
the same. It's all about that is

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putting out you know, how are
you going to distribute it? How are

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you putting out the product. It's
the same basic shit whether you're streaming with

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the Internet or you're putting it on
you know film in the old days and

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putting in theaters. But anyway,
your question was when DVD vhs just got

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me while up once once they found
a way that's no longer the glass masters.

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They figured out to do it cheaper. It was like overnight when you

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went to just the replication runs and
you're just paying your editor, the author

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and gut eight hundred bucks to do
it, and then you're just running the

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replication. Everybody took their old inventory, their old catalog and stuck it onto

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DVD. And when it hit it
was because I know, because I was

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started powers build my own line at
the time, even though I owned multimedia

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Beforetentorious, which end up in lawsuits
and everything, and I shot for JAM

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and other companies back in those days. I started putting on my own stuffs

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because I had to keep on shooting. It's alone as financial reasons why I

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was putting out this stuff. And
by my second or third release, like

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it was all being sold on DVD. It was a crazy how fast it

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changed. It was one month.
It just changed everything once the prices of

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this glass Masters disappeared. Wow,
it's like the old days that you have

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to broadcast do streaming live because we
were trying those days to set up internet

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and everything from our company and to
be able to you know, do a

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live show. You know, you
know what it would cost you to have

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to do it from your house for
the office? Wow? Right, T

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one modem right here? And how
much was it a month? Ten thousand?

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I don't know. I mean that
would be a two thousand and nineteen

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ninety eight ninety nine dollars let's call
it. When is that now? If

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you're today's dollars not to you know, one hundred, two hundred nothing now,

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but it's probably about twenty thousand dollars
a month? Oh now for all

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your streaming for free and only do
you mean? So there was a lot

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of barriers to entry back then,
so we know how we got this tangent.

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But I guess we're setting up for
whatever. The question was about what

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were we doing as how you brought
over various various various forms of degeneracy to

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the US, such as back.
So anyway, Jeff Mike, when were

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we going to talk about these?
Okay, so here's that bigcacky began.

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So Jeff Mike would always kind of
come up with these things like Perverted Stories.

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I was just basically hungover. I'd
been up all night. I'd left

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like a porn set. When Perverted
Stories began and we used to spend a

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lot of these things would get created
start in Perverted Stories. The first BOOKACKI

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was a scene in a Perverted Stories. The gut otermouth came from Perverted Stories.

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These things would be spun out of
this old line called Perverted Stories,

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which used what Jeff Mike has sent
me on. Because this creates something crazy.

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One weekend, you know, because
I was starting to get a named

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just Biga Jim Powers whatever that I
do all these things with those weirding monsters

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screwing people and all those crazy people
have her heads off, and yeah,

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it puts fucking women and all these
the hitchhikers and fucking Stumpy and all the

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alien when I did the alien autopsy
video and they fuck it. This is

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always a Perverten story. So anyway, I go in his office one day

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and he's got this VHS from Japan, right, this is still the VHSS

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days and he sticks He goes,
Jim, you need to see this.

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He puts it in. I'll never
forget this. And you see this girl.

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She's in her room, Japanese girl. We're in the Playboy with ears

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right, and it's very slow and
romantic, and she's just masturbating. Camera

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pulls out into a crowd and the
streets surround it was like twenty five maybe

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more might have been forty forty Asian
guys wearing white underwear, all of them

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because Japan, right, And so
I'm watching this thing when the fuck and

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then all of a sudden, you
hear a clap and they all rise up,

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ran those from a cocky So I
got second clap, they all take

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off their underwear. Third clock,
they throw the underwear at her and they

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yelled to cocky and then they set
her down and basically complete organized chaos.

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But they don't say anything because they're, you know, very much in control.

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It was insane, and but it's
very quiet. She just sits there

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and they has come from me this
sigence shoot in her face and it was

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all pixelated. It had to be
pixelated because it's Japanese. And he shows

409
00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,880
me this and I'm like, where
the fuck am I going to get all

410
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,880
the Japanese guys, because not just
get what you guys right, And I'm

411
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,799
like, I'm like, fuck,
you know, because you'll keep in mind,

412
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,519
you're still if you to do male
talent, they're going to want a

413
00:27:52,519 --> 00:27:56,599
lot of money. Okay, So
what I did is we had this warehouse

414
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,519
because I you know, I had
the Furious at the time, and I

415
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,559
got like, I think the very
first ocockame perverted stories. It's an all

416
00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:07,000
perverted story scene. I get like
seventeen or eighteen guys. They got all

417
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:10,480
the regular male talent they come over. I got like John Doe's in and

418
00:28:10,599 --> 00:28:12,680
Dave Harden and all those guys,
Rick Masters, you know, all those

419
00:28:12,759 --> 00:28:15,599
characters from that era are in it. If you watch the very first one,

420
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,640
and we did it. We did
it just like they did the Japanese

421
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,559
one, and then he puts it
out and it gets such a good response.

422
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,839
He's like, Jim, we need
to do it again, but it's

423
00:28:25,839 --> 00:28:29,279
going to do its own line.
So I figure, well, what if

424
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:32,519
we do it weekly and I just
tell the guys, they'll start building on

425
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:37,359
itself. And I learned real fast
it was it was going to cap out

426
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,680
if I was using a regular male
talent. So we had to bring it

427
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,720
to the man on the street.
We needed the average Joe to come to

428
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:48,200
these so what we had to do. And I it was during that era,

429
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:49,799
and I think that's what started this
was that crazy era. We were

430
00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:53,400
all trying to outdo each other with
these world record gang bangs and shit,

431
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:59,720
if you guys remember these days,
absolute and so we were all trying to

432
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,480
you know, And I was up
against he's dead. Now I forget what

433
00:29:03,559 --> 00:29:07,200
his fucking name is, but whatever
his name is, he's dead. But

434
00:29:07,319 --> 00:29:11,440
I used to compete against him.
I beat his record. So if he'd

435
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:12,240
have one hundred and fifty people,
and then I get too, I have

436
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:17,440
to get two hundred guys. And
really maybe I think I actually most guys.

437
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:18,480
Anyway, I actually had one hundred
and fifty. A value you gotta

438
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:22,920
do is tag you're putting Penis into
her accounts as one tagged before Holmes a

439
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:27,240
Tucker like fifty one because I did
that. Candy Apples Buses at seven forty

440
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,720
two because I wanted to make it, which later became Warped Tour, but

441
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:33,839
I had skateboarding, added bands playing. I wanted to make it a whole

442
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,799
event like a Warped tour, but
you could beat off on the girl like

443
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:42,240
that with the bands and sure.
Anyway, so it gets back to mcconacky.

444
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:45,920
So we're starting to do him in
the first volume. They're starting to

445
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:51,680
build them, like the twenty twenty
five people, thirty people, and I'm

446
00:29:51,759 --> 00:29:56,039
running ads because we're looking for all
the guys for these these things anyway,

447
00:29:56,119 --> 00:30:00,559
So I'm running ads in La Weekly, and I figured that we had to

448
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:03,279
do the Bacacky's. I started doing
by bus stocks because most of these guys

449
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:07,440
didn't have cars, so I would
and I'd also do on Wednesday nights after

450
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,480
they got off work. And I
would also could they get tests for free

451
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:15,519
and it would come off their pay
because that was back in the days of

452
00:30:15,559 --> 00:30:19,000
Eliza testing, which was a very
fast fifteen minute result. So we had

453
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:23,039
a testing facility we were using in
Van Eyes or North Hollywood or whatever it

454
00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:27,279
was. And I would get the
guys you know coming. You know,

455
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:32,680
I was seeing ads, physical ads
and launder mats because I figured those guys

456
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,039
did extra money. And we were
putting these ads at ELI weekly. I

457
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:40,440
set the Bacacky hotline. You reached
the Bocaky hotline and all that stuff that

458
00:30:40,519 --> 00:30:45,599
was me. And what I did
is I started getting such, you know,

459
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:51,119
a big crowd coming to these things
because like Larry what's the name,

460
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,680
Larry Melrose, Larry Green would come
a broadcast it on the Howard Stern Show,

461
00:30:56,079 --> 00:31:00,119
right, Howard Sternshard talking about the
Bocacky's and the girls would do the

462
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,039
cockies and they'd fly out there.
And back in those days they had all

463
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:06,680
the porn girls. One they would
fly to a show. I mean they

464
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,519
flew me out there. I went
to the show and they would they would

465
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:12,440
get the you know, everybody would
come on the show and Howard Stern.

466
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:17,480
So I was getting over one hundred
people at these the cocky's, and I

467
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:21,119
had to have a you can't just
do it with a normal porn set.

468
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,960
So I would the guy was booking
the girls for me. Was the lead

469
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:30,240
at Jurassic Park at Universal Park.
Yeah, I hired the whole ride staff,

470
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:36,119
the cockeys, and I would run
these like theme park rides. So

471
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,279
when you come there, it wasn't
like a typical horn set. You'd be

472
00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:41,079
set up there, you close to
security. They'd bring you to do the

473
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:47,079
paperwork because they're like I mean,
you had guys were meeting each other,

474
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,559
last side each other in prison.
Fights would breakout. We had security,

475
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:52,759
and we had the cocky robbery with
pulls, a gun held up my guy

476
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:56,279
from the ash. He put a
gun to his head. We had all

477
00:31:56,319 --> 00:31:59,720
sorts of crazy shit would take like
the Cocky and there it was just like

478
00:31:59,799 --> 00:32:02,880
good Zoo because we're not the normal
porn guys. And from this came the

479
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,200
Mope, the whole Mope world and
you know the Steve Driver, you know

480
00:32:07,319 --> 00:32:10,799
the guy and the Samurai porn killer
when when he killed the people and everything

481
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,640
that the movie Mope is about.
Okay, they came from the Pacaki that

482
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:21,440
was a pacacky boy, and it
was it was like shooting a sporting event,

483
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:23,440
much much more than a porn movie. But that's how the kacky.

484
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,759
I just took it to the next
level and became a part of Americana,

485
00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,440
you know, Lexicona like a word
you say, nobody knew what it was

486
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,759
back then. Sure, so were
you able to then keep costs down as

487
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:40,400
well by grabbing more of these I
understand you said that was the whole reason.

488
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:44,000
Sure, yeah, yeah, I
imagine if you had to pay one

489
00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:47,759
hundred porn stars, right, yeah, and they couldn't do it either.

490
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:54,160
These guys, these guys become really
quick. That's a good point. Yeah.

491
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:58,680
Yeah. They would listen to you
and they were basically and they were

492
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,839
all the great we were sun the
dream of you're going to become a porn

493
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:05,319
star and you get noticed, most
of you get noticed, all right,

494
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,799
you didn't, well, but plenty
of guys actually came whatever, plenty of

495
00:33:08,839 --> 00:33:13,519
guys that came out of this,
and it was it was such a because

496
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:16,279
we'd always have the magazines that are
covering these things, and yeah, I'd

497
00:33:16,279 --> 00:33:19,759
have to keep away together. I'd
call them chicken hawks. But the other

498
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:22,599
directors would come over there trying to
steal my men because they were too cheap

499
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:30,000
to put out the ads, because
all weekly ads are expensive and and you

500
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:32,880
know, so we were paying I
think when it started like a fifty bucks

501
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:38,759
a guy, and then I went
to like seventy seventy five dollars. So

502
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:44,519
if you had one hundred guys,
they're interest. Yeah, either for ten

503
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:49,440
fifteen months, we would do the
bacackis. There'd be three per volume,

504
00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:52,559
right, and so we would do
them three weeks in a row, soybe

505
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:57,759
three Wednesdays or Tuesday, what was
it. That's been a while, but

506
00:33:57,799 --> 00:34:00,839
we'd do them like three week weeks
in a row because that way they get

507
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:04,160
the test and those days would be
good for a month to test one time.

508
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,800
And remember these guys were getting you
know, a hint on to become

509
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:15,039
because it became like a cocky union
guys trying to unionize, and they were

510
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:19,320
being you know taken to other sets
and everything because everybody wanted to do you

511
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,239
know, like I said, it
was the world of everybody's competing, Like

512
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,480
like guys would do lines and one
like you know, they eight fucked the

513
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:29,760
girl, but they want twelve guys
to blast on her face afterwards. Remember

514
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,440
that old line that was out.
So you know, the cocky turned into

515
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,440
it start against so popular and you
know next thing, you know, Jeff

516
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,159
Mike's driving Ferrari's around all sorts of
shit. You know, it's like you

517
00:34:40,199 --> 00:34:44,039
know, the you know, keep
in mind he did he didn't end up

518
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:47,639
getting in trouble with the US government
of this. But so anyway, the

519
00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:52,480
cocky from that, we did the
gopin, which meant swallow right. Oh

520
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:55,519
yeah, yeah, yeah, I
like that one. We did the butt

521
00:34:55,519 --> 00:35:00,559
fuck thecacky, We did the lesbian
bacacky, we did the reverse. Did

522
00:35:00,559 --> 00:35:04,280
you do the yuko zuna? What's
that one? That's not the one they

523
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:10,039
sit on your face and fart?
No, no, let me ask you.

524
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:15,119
Was the pay less uh for the
girls versus a different type of scene

525
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:19,920
because there's less wear and tear on
them? Oh yeah, okay, well

526
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,440
it's not to mention. Do you
know what a facial would cost to actually

527
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:25,079
get those people? And they are
lucky to do it. I would have

528
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:29,679
girls that we'd have to have a
backup all the time, and girls would

529
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:34,760
be crying if they didn't get a
pacaky. Yeah really it Well, you

530
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,800
know they say the seamen is good
for the skin, So think I much

531
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,760
that would cost to have done in
your real life? Sure? Sure,

532
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:45,440
yeah, A nice La Spa.
What's that going to cost you exactly?

533
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,320
I don't know. So it's some
guys down in ten City to do it

534
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,840
for free. Yeah, that's the
point. Yeah, but would you be

535
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,480
in a safe environment? I was
providing a service. That's a good point.

536
00:35:54,559 --> 00:35:58,199
Yeah, yeah. And so anyway, I think, you know,

537
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:07,360
like I did a lot of good
in the world. Would you say that,

538
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:12,119
like you mentioned how it's kind of
just like all been accidental, do

539
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:15,119
you like your role in porn or
are you just kind of are you?

540
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:19,800
Are you like kind of like me
where it's like I get home from my

541
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,800
regular job every day and I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ, I'm gonna kill

542
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:29,239
myself. You know. No,
I said I fell into this accidentally.

543
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,920
Yeah, because it wasn't like a
you know, film student that was trying

544
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,519
to make a film and I couldn't
do it and I fell into pornos I'm

545
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:40,639
angry. Those are the angry angry
by the artists, you know what I

546
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:45,559
mean. I mean, I've always
been pretty artistic, because there's an art

547
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:50,679
major played in a punk band or
something, so I'm always you know,

548
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:54,559
been creative, I guess, But
I was never the angry person that felt

549
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:58,920
like, oh stuck doing porn.
I used to be a stockbroker. Nothing's

550
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,599
worse than that. And you know, back back in the days that you

551
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:05,320
know, selling stocks on the phone, that's a nightmare. Any cold calling

552
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:12,679
ship like that, Oh yeah,
they did that for years. Jim,

553
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,280
m Me ask you a question,
a real basic question that Shane and I

554
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,719
have been wondering since high school.
Who or what determines who the cover girl

555
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:27,320
was going to be on a DVD
on another company? Okay, simple,

556
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,559
look it just okay, there's a
lot of these because I've shot so many

557
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:37,400
different companies, there's so many different
things. Some places just happened to be

558
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:42,920
the best picture, Okay. And
Jeff Mike like jam was pretty much you

559
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,599
know, a lot of those just
who had the best picture. He didn't

560
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:47,800
care if they were popular or not, because this is before you had a

561
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,079
lot of that ship. Like.
But now, if you go back to

562
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:54,079
the days before you had the analytics
and everything like you do, for like,

563
00:37:54,159 --> 00:37:58,079
how many fans they Adam Fluer and
all this shit before you had anything

564
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:01,280
to gauge them by. Uh.
Sure, certain girls were well known for

565
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,280
back in those days, going on
the road dancing or whatever. It might

566
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,840
be or maybe if Cable would purchase
that movie of them, you know,

567
00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:14,719
or if your foreign markets were asking. But for the most part, like

568
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:17,920
the jam stuff was kind of like
whoever just had the best picture, if

569
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,320
they happened to like would make the
cover. Sure, But like because I

570
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,960
shot all these different companies that a
lot of times it was the star girl

571
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,639
that you knew it was going to
be the cover. Who was you know

572
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,679
it was that's who you wanted on
the cover, and it's like there was

573
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:36,199
it all depends on the company,
or there's the girl who's banging the owner

574
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:38,639
of the company, you know what
I mean, or whatever I was.

575
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:43,320
I was gonna say, if DVDs
were still prominent today, it would probably

576
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,079
be whoever has the highest follower count
or the best picture, like you said,

577
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:52,079
or if it was a specific niche
you were going for. Well I

578
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:53,920
would even in the nineties look at
because I shot a lot of stuff with

579
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:57,519
you know, the Spice channel,
because that's really why I started going,

580
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,320
because I was one of the early
guys shooting ice, Like by ninety five,

581
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,159
I was doing all those features on
Spice and stuff. You know.

582
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,360
I was always also asking when we
would shoot a movie and they would tell

583
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,280
me, sometimes, can you get
this girl in the movie we really want

584
00:39:14,559 --> 00:39:16,880
because our German, Germany wants this
girl in the movie. Sure, or

585
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:21,880
or you know, some of the
bigger paying companies and countries like Germany was

586
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,639
always the holy grail of the companies
to get because they paid the most,

587
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,920
you know what I mean, So
you'd listen to what Germany had to say.

588
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:31,800
Or you know, if you were
already shooting for a cable company,

589
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:37,039
already un locked in deal, but
yeah, you would, you would just

590
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:39,239
kind of go with who are the
popular girls? You would try to do

591
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:43,599
that way. I was always try
to every movie. I've always tried to

592
00:39:43,639 --> 00:39:45,960
stick out some way it's gonna be
popular. It could be your cover or

593
00:39:46,639 --> 00:39:51,360
a really good looking, new up
and coming girl. Okay, okay,

594
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:59,679
that made sense. You I have
loved for years on porn Hub you were

595
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,960
horns. Uh oh? What was
this? Specifically called Porn's most outrageous outtakes?

596
00:40:05,199 --> 00:40:07,519
They were some of my favorite things
ever. I just I don't know

597
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:12,079
why. I like behind the scenes
stuff, but I also like the realism

598
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,920
of just behind I don't necessarily need
to see someone fucking. I really like

599
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:22,039
watching Tanner May's loser fucking Mind on
set? Was that your biggest freak out?

600
00:40:22,119 --> 00:40:23,559
Yeah, that was a real good
one. Was that the biggest freak

601
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:28,360
out you had from a female performer? Or is there something you couldn't maybe

602
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,079
put in there? Ory bet back
of that. Okay, it was a

603
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:39,280
different era. Totally let me.
I used to get Jeff Mike. Here's

604
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:43,840
what people didn't realize in those days. I would get bonuses if you want

605
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:47,000
to complained about me, and that
was it was a different era. Think

606
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:52,400
about what I said. That's insanity
nowadays. And it wasn't like I was

607
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,760
supposed to be mean to people,
But is it pushing them to get the

608
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,920
best you could have? What you
wanted the scene? Right? That was

609
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:04,679
basically my job, you know,
is to push people because Jeff might love

610
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,079
those freak out moments and stuff.
And it's like even if you watch a

611
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:10,920
tan Amaze when it's so stupid because
you see I'm in there, like they

612
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,119
come up to me and they got
some bts. Guys, still I'm eating

613
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:20,599
a sandwich. I'm like what Because
half the time these things would happen and

614
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:25,360
got I could tell set stories forever, but usually I would just kind of

615
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:29,440
be like the innocent idiot to say, there, what the fuck just happened?

616
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:30,199
You know what I mean? Type
of thing you like, I'll be

617
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:35,639
just shooting in this chaos and erupting
around you, whether it's a guy running

618
00:41:35,639 --> 00:41:37,679
around the gun or somebody getting beat
up. But you know this ship that

619
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:42,239
just happens, somebody's flying through a
window. You know this ship would have

620
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:45,000
happen, you know, would happen. That was a good one just because

621
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,239
it went on so long. It
was so ridiculous. The best part of

622
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,119
that whole thing is when she gets
in the taxi that shows you howl is

623
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:59,840
there's a taxi? She leans as
does anybody know in my address? I

624
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:07,719
like that one a lot. It. Okay, I'm not gonna I'm not

625
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,000
gonna ask you to raake your mind
this late at night, but give me

626
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:15,920
a good onset story where a performer
where maybe you thought again you said your

627
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,360
job was to push a little bit, and uh again, different era,

628
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,320
where was something where you pushed and
then maybe you went, oh shit,

629
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:29,840
did I pushed too far? On
this? A lot of times we just

630
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,639
do a line called the violation series. Do you remember that? Well,

631
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,920
we'll get to that. Yep.
Later on YP the Violation had a lot

632
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:43,639
of those. And look, my
job was to do the thing they want.

633
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,639
You need an X number of amount
of footage. I had to deliver

634
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:51,079
this for the companies, and we
tell people ahead of time, look,

635
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:52,639
I gotta shoot this much footage,
and you know, once you're in the

636
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:58,320
moment, I learned that the girls
would kind of go overboard when the girls

637
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,920
again in that system, when they're
like assaulting one of the girls. Girls

638
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:07,239
can be really mean, and these
girls weren't realize what they would get into,

639
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,519
you know what I mean. And
a lot of times we'd get these

640
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:13,679
girls who were kind of primadonnas and
we pay to be in these things,

641
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:16,239
and all the other girls who are
you know, our regulars and stuff,

642
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,719
we kind of, you know,
took it as a class struggle type of

643
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,800
thing. Really, you know,
be brutal when they're shoving the dildos on

644
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,400
her. So I had a lot
of those type of ones where you had

645
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,119
somebody like three or four times I
have to keep on talking you back onto

646
00:43:31,159 --> 00:43:35,760
the set, Well that goddamn bitch
out there. Yeah, you have to

647
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,000
start and there be fights. I
mean, I've been shooting scenes I was

648
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:43,760
doing a lesbian orgy one time.
These two girls hated each other and one

649
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,519
girl was trying to pale the other
one with a dildo in the middle of

650
00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:49,679
the thing, and I'm shooting a
big beta cam and I'm trying to separate

651
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,880
these girls from fighting with my legs
in the middle of them, when I'm

652
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,840
still trying to shoot the restport and
girls in the room and they're literally trying

653
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:00,559
to kill each other in the middle
of the room. But I don't know,

654
00:44:00,599 --> 00:44:02,440
I mean, you'd have to.
There was just so many of those.

655
00:44:02,519 --> 00:44:07,559
It was. It was commonplace.
It was like, I mean things

656
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:14,280
like that. I mean, I
mean, I mean, there's so many

657
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,880
crazy stories I could tell, like
drug induce stories and things that did happen.

658
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:21,360
In a sense. It was funny
where you know, I got blialous

659
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,039
guy lost in mine, like because
like idiot, I didn't know what he

660
00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:27,679
did at the time. I found
it later. But we went smoked.

661
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:34,000
Do you guys remember when Glass was
around. I mean, yes, I've

662
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:37,079
never smoked. Glass accidentally smoked PCP
one time, but no, not Glass.

663
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:43,400
An idiot smoked it. It's like
a movie and he's running like I'm

664
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,039
trying to do the scene with it. There's something wrong with his eyes.

665
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:51,039
I didn't know what it was at
the times. And he'sn't get hard where

666
00:44:51,039 --> 00:44:55,119
he's just doing. He's doing the
math twist on it twist and yeah,

667
00:44:55,119 --> 00:44:58,719
anyway, the other I have the
other talents get him through the scene.

668
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,880
Forget the DP. And I was
doing an Amish movie called Uh it's doing

669
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,000
a lot of Pomish for some reason, where everybody be in ort Nung's and

670
00:45:07,039 --> 00:45:10,360
you'd go to ort Nung and I'd
like, you know, the black guy

671
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:15,079
would go hide out in the Amish
community or the black girl would go hide

672
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:17,079
out. So I do these Amish
movies, which is quite popular at the

673
00:45:17,119 --> 00:45:20,679
time. I don't know why.
You know, king Pin was out in

674
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:27,719
stuff. Okay, anyway, this
guy wasn't smokes. This setting. We're

675
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,760
shooting up in the hills of Valencia
where we're going to do this movie,

676
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:35,440
and I get this cool location.
And when I get there that morning,

677
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,400
the owner said the kid his mom
at the house. He goes looking my

678
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:40,679
sister. I'm trying to get out
of the house, like, what's your

679
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:44,360
sister doing here? Yeah? I
go, well, how's your sister?

680
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,039
Because she's fourteen I go, she's
got to get the fuck out of here.

681
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:50,360
I'm showing enough to shoot a poor
you can't. And she's got a

682
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,800
fucking prisoner boyfriend. These are the
classic guy straight out all the prison tattoos,

683
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,840
shaved head, like the Ariyan type
of guy, you know what I

684
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:04,159
mean, straight out right whatever it
is. And they're in brotherhood. I'm

685
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:07,360
like, straight up this Nazi little
rider type of guy, and I'm like,

686
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,159
what the fuck. He goes,
well, can you give us some

687
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:13,760
money to go to the mall?
Whatever? So I give them some money,

688
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,239
so they take off the mall because
that sets up. So we're trying

689
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,440
to get the movie done in the
past, very simple homage porno. We

690
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,480
want to make everybody's dressed up like
Amish people. We got the beard,

691
00:46:22,519 --> 00:46:25,519
so kill the guys. Right.
We're going to gang bang a girl later

692
00:46:25,599 --> 00:46:31,039
that day and do a DP scene. And I think that was just it.

693
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:36,960
There's a little gang bang and DP. So my star male talent ends

694
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:40,679
up smoking ice and you know,
not telling us, and he's so high.

695
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,079
We can't do the scene. So
I just shoot it with the other

696
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:49,559
guy and he's just hanging around the
set. He won't leave and he's on

697
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,920
ice and the makeup artists they are
pushing him away with a pitchfork, away

698
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:59,719
from the makeup because he keeps him
running over and going m because he's doing

699
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:01,679
this thinking he's going to come,
but he can't come because he's done from

700
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:06,760
the ice, and I'm just trying
to shoot the movie, you know,

701
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,199
because he can't drive. So it's
get in your car. You got to

702
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,119
get out of here, right,
but you can't get out of here.

703
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:14,639
We know that's of just sitting in
your car. He doesn't. But now

704
00:47:14,639 --> 00:47:16,920
we're doing this blowbang. He keeps
on coming in. They're shoving him out.

705
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:21,239
That was funny. You can actually
see the movie called Homie in the

706
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:24,079
Haystack. Why they say brother Jedediah
has lost his mind and the guy who's

707
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:29,159
are around the background, they're shoving
him out of there. It's called Homie

708
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:36,199
in the Haystack. And so anyway, then what happens is we hear that

709
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,679
the girls the guys come back.
We're on the property outside of the house

710
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,599
now and we've heard that they've come
back. They're sick, which they want

711
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,880
us out of there. And he
sees that I have all these black people

712
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,559
there because we're doing a gang bang
and stuff and he's going to kill us,

713
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:53,000
and so now everybody's I'm trying to
get through the pop shot, right,

714
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,639
this idiot keeps on running around on
the on the ice. I'm trying

715
00:47:57,639 --> 00:48:00,920
to get get the pop shot,
the last shot after we gang bang this

716
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,480
girl, right, and everybody's grabbing
pitchforks and knives and everything in case the

717
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,960
guy comes out to fight him.
We'd get the pop shots where he's lining

718
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,239
up for a war. And I
get the pop shot and she goes running

719
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,519
in the hill yelling, and I'm
an Ambish hore and I love it.

720
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,400
And it's very surreal because it's like
it's also the storm was going to hit.

721
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:22,159
And then we hear sirens. It's
all going on up in the woods,

722
00:48:22,159 --> 00:48:25,280
Like what the fuck is going on? We're wrapped, get the fuck

723
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,000
out of here, because we're shooting
outside. We'd already wrapped the inside,

724
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:30,599
and I was just trying to get
the pop shot. We're hopping in the

725
00:48:30,599 --> 00:48:34,440
car and I still see the guy
trying to twist a jerk jerk off,

726
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,880
always walking around. The blood is
pouring down his hand, but what is

727
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:44,360
his nails right there? Right?
So anyway, we leave, right,

728
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,159
and you guys get out of here, get out of and making him just

729
00:48:47,159 --> 00:48:50,480
get his car, just get out
the property because you know, of course

730
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,599
some of this guy starts shooting people. So anyway, we leave. In

731
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:58,320
the next morning, Hey, you
want a good set story. It's eight

732
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:01,159
o'clock next morning. I get this
phone call Chap. He's whispering and thought,

733
00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:07,280
I'm like, yeah, he goes, I can't And I'm like and

734
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,639
I'm like, you did, and
he goes yeah. He goes, He

735
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:14,760
goes, man, don't ever do
ice. I go, yeah, no,

736
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,800
shitting right. He goes, yeah, that was horrible. He goes,

737
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:22,440
It took me six hours to get
home and we're done shooting. It

738
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,760
was still It's finally eight o'clock in
the summer. So he said he got

739
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,440
home like around two in the morning. He had to keep on pulling over

740
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:32,559
because and trying to jerk off all
the way home, and he couldn't do

741
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:36,760
it. So it took him like
powers to get out of the hills Valencia

742
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,400
to get back to Chatsworth, wherever
the hell he lived. And so anyhow

743
00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:44,039
he told me, yeah, I
finally came this morning and just to make

744
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:46,039
sure it worked. I jerked off
again, right, And I'm like,

745
00:49:46,159 --> 00:49:49,719
oh god, he goes. He
goes, but I need you to do

746
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,960
me a favor. I'm like,
what he goes, you need to call

747
00:49:52,079 --> 00:49:53,880
Chuck Martinez. I'm like, why
he goes, Well, I have to

748
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,400
shoot for him today. I go, why don't you call him? It's

749
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,840
your gig? What is your friend? He goes, I don't have any

750
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:04,199
skin left on my dick born in
his whole dick off as a bloody star,

751
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,239
Like, well, why he is
called Chuck and explain He'll understand.

752
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,599
He knows you. Just you call
him. I'm not going to call him

753
00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:15,920
for you. That's ridiculous, you
know. Then it sounds stupid and a

754
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:20,400
director does that. You're better off
just calling yourself and saying something. But

755
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:27,159
anyway, that's don't do ice?
Is it? Is it a lot easier

756
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,119
shooting nowadays than back then in terms
of the professionalism of the people on set

757
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:36,599
or are there still yeah? Yeah, okay. The difference nowadays is we

758
00:50:36,679 --> 00:50:39,920
have we really I can't do a
lot of that stuff anymore. And let's

759
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,440
face it's because it's Twitter, social
media and stuff like that. But back

760
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,280
in the old days, Look,
I'm the guy who used to get sent

761
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,679
by Playboy to make those party videos. I used to do Kelly the co

762
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,000
Ed. You've seen all that stuff. I would be and there were two

763
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:58,159
hundred drunken, fat guys shooting scenes. I did that for a decade.

764
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,400
So you can't. You just can't
make that stuff anymore. See, we're

765
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:07,159
in a different world now like that. I mean, it was kind of

766
00:51:07,159 --> 00:51:09,519
weird. That's some kind of peeked
out and it in two thousand and ninety

767
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:14,119
ten, eleven, well somewhere around
there. I forget when I was shooting

768
00:51:14,159 --> 00:51:16,840
for Playboy doing all that stuff.
But you just can't do that anymore.

769
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:22,039
Old girls on wild stuff and like
crazy stuff we used to do, sure,

770
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:25,719
because you know now young people.
Yeah, it's just you know,

771
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,440
it's the world's changed. I think
it's a lot of ways. I watched

772
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:31,320
the old jam stuff, like God, you can't make that anymore, like

773
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:37,679
girlvert Sure. So I had a
question that kind of relates back to old

774
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:43,280
stuff versus newer stuff. All the
girls we've interviewed, we've probably interviewed fifty

775
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:49,599
performers at this point, if not
more. They all right, Okay,

776
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,239
One of my favorite things are a
lot of the behind the scenes stuff where

777
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:58,400
you will just randomly get the big
star of the show, the movie,

778
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,119
whatever it is, fluffing the guy
a little bit. Girls don't do that

779
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:06,760
anymore. From the ones we've talked
to. They're just not interested in it.

780
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,320
They're not They're like, there's more
of a level of professionalism, it

781
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:16,119
feels like, but it's a little
bit less fun to me. Okay,

782
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:22,119
they say a lot of that stuff, but you know, I mean,

783
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:27,519
I shoot orn all day, and
you get the girls when they nine out

784
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,440
of ten girls when they're alone they're
doing it, say they're doing a scene

785
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,599
with the guy or whatever, and
he's having any sort of trouble, they

786
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:37,440
tend to help. Keep in mind
when you say they're a big star,

787
00:52:37,639 --> 00:52:40,519
chances are they're telling us what guy
they want to do too. Okay,

788
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,920
so you know what I mean.
Yeah, I thought about that too,

789
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:51,400
like I because Matt's made that point
a few times, I think, And

790
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,719
I mentioned that to my wife and
she's like, no, I'll jerk off

791
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,760
any guy, like you know,
if he's about to fuck me. And

792
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,679
I was like, okay, yeah, that let's just gets kind of seems

793
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:05,440
like womanly etiquette, Like it just
seems like if the dick's going in anyway,

794
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,000
you just crank it up a few
times, you know. You know,

795
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:13,199
the best porn girls, the best
porn girls realize if they act like

796
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,320
they like that guy and they're nice
to them they were, they're gonna whip

797
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,440
right through that scene so fast,
it's gonna be easy. The ones that

798
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:23,440
act like hunts, do you really
want to sit there and be a bitch

799
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,480
while the guy's floating around trying to
get his dick hard because you're such a

800
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,559
bitch, right right, Yeah,
then he's gonna have to drill you with

801
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:32,800
it. Yeah. The best porn
girls are the ones that make it easy

802
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,480
on the guy and sale you right
through. And those are the biggest ones.

803
00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:38,599
And I'll tell you right now from
experience, the girls, the bigger

804
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:43,760
they are, the better they try
to make that guy get through the scene.

805
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,480
They're not bitches to him. They're
not. I didn't make that up

806
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:52,599
shamy to sound like Matt made this
assertion with them. I've asked that we've

807
00:53:52,639 --> 00:53:55,400
heard you. Yeah no, but
I'm saying like it does. Yeah,

808
00:53:55,559 --> 00:54:00,400
like everyone we've interviewed is just talking
a big game. Basically, Well,

809
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:02,840
look at I don't know it's the
big game. Look at everybody's had those

810
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,679
situations I think where girls don't want
it because they don't like that guy or

811
00:54:06,679 --> 00:54:09,199
whatever it might be. Everybody's gonna
have one. Lease goes through conors and

812
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:15,960
hundreds of scenes. Sure, so
you're always and everybody remembers the bad scene

813
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,960
versus all the ones that just went
by. Right, It's just human nature.

814
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,280
Right. We explain about a restaurant
more than we rave about it.

815
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,679
Correct. If you have about expres
Burger, you're gonna tell everybody, but

816
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:32,119
you're not gonna tell Opper Perfect.
You don't tell everybody. So I think,

817
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,079
you know the getting back to I
just think that the most of the

818
00:54:37,159 --> 00:54:42,960
porn girls look a guy that Yes, if the guy is just flower floundering

819
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,840
and can't do it, we just
cut the scene. We get another guy

820
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:50,199
in there he just can't do it. That I get. But if you're

821
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:52,800
just talking about a guy who just
needs a little bit of work, you

822
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:57,000
know, talking dirty is you're most
girls will do that because where they're supposed

823
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:00,199
to be working with that guy anyway, Sure, and they tend to be

824
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,239
they're good with it. I mean, I don't get too many girls that

825
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:07,960
are really that bad, because when
they're like that, nobody's gonna want to

826
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:12,440
work with them. Sure, think
about that for a second. Harder for

827
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:15,159
us as a director to find the
guys than to find the girls. And

828
00:55:15,199 --> 00:55:21,599
that's just making their day longer too, you know, it's just infinitely longer.

829
00:55:21,679 --> 00:55:24,920
Yeahs, And I'll repeat that,
it's harder to find the guys and

830
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:30,480
these girls. Okay, and you
get any of them, Yeah, that

831
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:36,119
makes sense, like most any good
looking girl, you know, not that

832
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:37,920
any girl can do it, but
you know what I mean. If you've

833
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,960
gotta bit China, you do this
song as a lube and you're fine.

834
00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:49,840
Yeah, guys got to get hard, sure, sure, yeah, Shane,

835
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,280
I have two more questions. I
don't want to interrupt you though.

836
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:57,079
You got anything else for Gym tonight? Just our regular questions, but those

837
00:55:57,079 --> 00:56:00,119
are for females. Usually I normally
ask all our female guests, Hey,

838
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:05,679
you like getting pissed on? But
I'll spare you. Jim is the the

839
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,440
Are you the creator or were you
just the director of the majority of the

840
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:15,639
Liquid Gold series? Liquid Gold what
it was is I would shoot the girls

841
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,679
like just because the back then,
I'd just shoot whatever if they wanted to

842
00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:22,159
pee at film a p and Jeff
Mike kept it seeing all this footage of

843
00:56:22,199 --> 00:56:24,599
the piss stuff, and he was
doing on this mail order and people were

844
00:56:24,639 --> 00:56:27,960
asking, you have pea video,
so he taking it, started taking his

845
00:56:28,039 --> 00:56:30,559
clips from the BTS, and then
it became a thing. When we shoot

846
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:35,280
the jam Girl, they'd also film
a p So yeah, I would shoot

847
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,079
all that peace stuff, but usually
it was like Jeff Mike, it was

848
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:40,360
like a little part of if you
were hired to be in a gun or

849
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:45,119
mouth or whatever, pick your movie, I would chances are filming a pee

850
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:47,239
because he wanted the pee thing.
And we'd always try to do something funny

851
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:51,239
if we could. Sure. There
was a period of time, and I

852
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:57,440
don't know when, it was early
two thousand somewhere when the piss videos were

853
00:56:57,480 --> 00:57:04,079
so popular. I remember Biddy Titty
bedwetters. I used to do all these

854
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:08,199
lesions. I used to do all
these the pea Stone cops. I used

855
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:10,679
to do all sorts of nothing but
videos about pissing. You know, to

856
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,760
be sex, but they always pee. I made tons of piss videos for

857
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:19,519
a few years. It was just
not stop. I think, Matt,

858
00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:22,840
the first time you showed me a
picture of Gage. It was her spreading

859
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,639
and taking a piss out in the
middle of a of a parking lot or

860
00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:30,719
something may have been yeah, real
dirty quite recall. Yeah, Yeah,

861
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,480
I used to shoot Gage a lot. I mean if I filmed for a

862
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:37,000
p a lot. The first time
I shot her, I did a scene

863
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:43,920
where she's this guy's imagining She's in
a room and she's imagining that this vagina

864
00:57:44,159 --> 00:57:47,239
is a man's climbing out of her
vagina or something. It was old babysitter

865
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:52,880
scene and we had this huge fake
prosthetic vagina made and I had a guy

866
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,519
shoved himself through it, covered in
the lube like he's coming through the vagina.

867
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,760
So it was gauge. Ime was
gauge? Did the scene? It

868
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:01,920
was like or some ever shot?
Yeah? David Cronenberg fan at all?

869
00:58:06,119 --> 00:58:14,760
What movies? He did the Fly
video Drome? Okay, okay, So

870
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:19,119
I got I got two more questions
here for you. I notice you recently.

871
00:58:19,119 --> 00:58:21,960
I've been looking at your recent releases. It seems like you shoot a

872
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:27,760
lot of trans and buy stuff as
well nowadays. Is that a preferences viewers?

873
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,280
Do you like shooting that better?
Is it that you see the trend

874
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:35,280
is moving that way, And when
did you first notice how? Because there

875
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:40,320
was definitely a shift to make it
become much more mainstream, right. I

876
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:45,599
remember interviews with girls a while ago
that wouldn't work with some guys who had

877
00:58:45,639 --> 00:58:52,079
shot gay scenes or with trans performers
or anything like that. And now it

878
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:53,719
just seems like some of the biggest
stars, you know, Anna Fox,

879
00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:58,639
who I love and I think is
a superstar, you know, nominated I

880
00:58:58,639 --> 00:59:02,519
believe for shooting with transpers and it's
become accepted and more of the mainstream.

881
00:59:02,599 --> 00:59:06,639
Is that just a trend you jumped
on? Do you like shooting that type

882
00:59:06,639 --> 00:59:14,519
of work more now than other stuff? Or yeah? It's I think one

883
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:16,239
note game. Why did I started
doing Yeah, I did see its time,

884
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,079
so it was going I could see
that was gonna something. Idn'think it

885
00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:22,480
was going to go as big as
it did. And when I was given

886
00:59:22,519 --> 00:59:27,880
the opportunity by a friend of mine
who'd been doing it, and it was

887
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,880
like, because I tried it back
in the nineties, I did it a

888
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:36,920
very short period and yeah, it
was one of those things that you could

889
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,840
see it was starting to develop,
and it's look at those are fun to

890
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,960
shoot, it's like a lot of
this stuff. It's like right now,

891
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:49,760
it's like that's a little bit shooting
someone that says a little bit more like

892
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,880
the Wild West bit where you have
a little more freedom on what you can

893
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:57,480
do and stuff, and as pigeonholed
as used to be. But even that's

894
00:59:57,519 --> 01:00:00,599
turning more and more mainstream now,
sure, for sure, Yeah, I

895
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:06,000
mean yeah, and it was natural
and like the buying stuff just fell out

896
01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:07,840
once you started doing the trans You
can get into that by world shooting and

897
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:12,400
which has always been around porn,
you know, and stuff goes back to

898
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:15,480
the eighties real the old Switch Hitters
and all those old lines and stuff and

899
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:17,920
Buy and Beyond and stuff. Paul
Norman. Yeah, Shane's dad had a

900
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:22,199
lot of those movies. I didn't. I was actually gonna say, yeah,

901
01:00:22,239 --> 01:00:25,719
like the tranny stuff has been popular
with fucking my dad, Like chicks

902
01:00:25,719 --> 01:00:29,360
with dicks, that's what my dad
always called them. Hey, my dad's

903
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,920
been into that ship since the nineties
at least. Yeah, well back then

904
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:35,159
we were calling it. You it
was still chick with dicks, but it

905
01:00:35,199 --> 01:00:39,360
was the she mails emails that's right, yes, but it was that's another

906
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:43,960
one that changed so fast because of
what you went and then you shifted into

907
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,800
the tranny and then trans was like
overnights that fast as switched. It was

908
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,559
kind of like switching to DVD.
It was like was in a two year

909
01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:57,239
period, we went from doing you
know, tranny prostitutes training, babysitters,

910
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:02,679
menaja tranny, my, what's that? My World's best training or whatever?

911
01:01:02,719 --> 01:01:09,719
I would do America's Top tranny,
tranny cheerleaders. They all those lines don't

912
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:14,480
exist anymore. But it would turn
it into my volume too with menaja trans

913
01:01:14,679 --> 01:01:17,960
which didn't rhyme as well. But
yeah, that was a it was a

914
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:22,760
fast shift. Sure, yeah,
sure. And do you do you shoot

915
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:28,119
trans stuff any differently? Do you
shoot it more like in a feminine way?

916
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:31,239
Okay? No, okay, nope, one thing I saw in there,

917
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:35,519
I know, I just do it
the same way that you do anything

918
01:01:36,719 --> 01:01:40,559
like. I mean, it's just
I don't shoot any different. I mean,

919
01:01:40,639 --> 01:01:44,519
obviously differences, you're doing something a
little bit different, right sure,

920
01:01:44,519 --> 01:01:47,000
But as far as the stories or
anything like that, yeah, I think

921
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:51,079
a little bit. Obviously you tune
in to a different market, but I

922
01:01:51,159 --> 01:01:54,280
still shoot it the same way,
gotcha. Yeah, still designed to titillate

923
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:59,119
to whether whether you're shooting a lesbian
scene, a BIA scene, trans scene,

924
01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:01,400
straight scene, anal scene, and
gang bang scene. I mean they're

925
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:06,119
all different genres. I mean,
like porn's weird, like if you're in

926
01:02:06,199 --> 01:02:09,440
it to make when you're working within
it, there's all sorts of undercurrents,

927
01:02:10,159 --> 01:02:15,519
things that you probably don't notice outside
of unless you're doing it, like all

928
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:20,039
of a sudden everybody wants babysitters,
or you go through the anal days,

929
01:02:20,199 --> 01:02:22,920
or like I said, the crazy
gang bang. I mean, the best

930
01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:29,519
time, craziest time I thought porn
was the late nineties. The late nineties

931
01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:34,159
early two thousands was just such a
crazy era, I mean for everything,

932
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,840
just because everybody was trying to one
up each other. I mean that was

933
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:40,039
then era. Like you know,
girls be shooting fire out of their ass

934
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:44,000
and not making this up. That
was one of the things that you would

935
01:02:44,039 --> 01:02:45,719
do. They would try to,
you know, one up each other all

936
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:50,559
the time. You know the mela, you know, the prolapsed ass or

937
01:02:50,599 --> 01:02:54,119
the blasting pain out of the ass. We used to load up the dyed

938
01:02:54,239 --> 01:03:00,639
milk up their butts and do lines
like anal felching the whole and all these

939
01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:05,760
lines where you'd be pass blasting and
stuff, which isn't too common right now.

940
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,320
But now with this whole sport thing, everyone's sporting scenes. Sure,

941
01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:12,480
like you know, sporting is really
funny. But yeah, yeah, like

942
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,440
it's gonna mainstream. You have a
lot of things that don't obviously need to

943
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,360
click, like free use that goes
on a Diego and all these different little

944
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,599
things are going on all the time. But the part is kind of funny

945
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:24,639
because it like stuff in the nineties, like I used to shoot a lot

946
01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:28,199
of black on black and you don't
shoot I don't shoot a lot of that

947
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:34,000
sure anymore. Yeah, you know, in the nineties, I was mostly

948
01:03:34,039 --> 01:03:37,079
what I did. Yeah, I
went on all those names like me More

949
01:03:37,159 --> 01:03:42,000
Nasty Pool, Breeze Gee, Sweet
Daddy J. And I would do all

950
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:44,599
that heat weight stuff, like every
movie that would come out, like Baby

951
01:03:44,639 --> 01:03:47,480
Boy, every make Baby Girl,
Uh, you know, Drinking Hood,

952
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:52,280
Uh, you know Fridays, all
those movies. You know you n in

953
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:54,480
the movie I did a parody of
it. Sure get your ass on the

954
01:03:54,519 --> 01:03:59,639
bus, you know that one.
So I do every Spike Lee movie that

955
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:03,400
came out. Okay, all right, Yeah, that's another thing that's kind

956
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:08,400
of, you know, but I
don't see anybody doing that anymore. You

957
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,719
don't really see much as the black. It's all your racial it's got to

958
01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:15,360
be white girl, black guy,
or you got the white guy black girl.

959
01:04:15,639 --> 01:04:18,599
Sure, a lot of just black
on black as a sales state anymore.

960
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:24,159
I don't see it. I wonder
if it has to do with demographics.

961
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:26,960
I don't know, but I don't
know. That's what Hardy has.

962
01:04:27,079 --> 01:04:31,440
Kurts that are always like you're you're
doing like gang bangs will get real popular

963
01:04:31,559 --> 01:04:35,719
one year, everyone else gang bangs
or blowbangs. Blow bangs are really in

964
01:04:35,840 --> 01:04:42,760
right now? Sure every blowbang?
All right? One last question then I

965
01:04:42,760 --> 01:04:45,559
want to run through that list of
girls. See what you remember what you

966
01:04:45,639 --> 01:04:50,280
don't? Uh? My question here
is and I think I know one specifically,

967
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:54,400
but maybe not. Did you take
any you were a prolific director who

968
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,239
still are a prolific director? Did
you take any female performers under your wing

969
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:01,119
in terms of directing, in terms
of teaching directing, or anything like that.

970
01:05:04,239 --> 01:05:09,119
Well, probably a girlvert because actually
needs to work there the time.

971
01:05:09,159 --> 01:05:13,000
That's that's who I was thinking.
Ashley Blue was the one that stands out

972
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:15,039
to me. But I didn't know
if there was anyone else, Like,

973
01:05:15,239 --> 01:05:17,079
did you have girls that would come
in and shoot a scene but then also

974
01:05:17,199 --> 01:05:21,880
ask you behind the camera questions or
yeah, plenty of them. Remember when

975
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:26,880
I was at Sinton City, we'd
always have all those contract girls, like

976
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,360
a lot of them, like would
have movies and I would be there basically

977
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,440
ghost director shooting the camera for him. You know, So, God,

978
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:40,079
I did, Tory Lane, I
did. What are their names? I

979
01:05:40,119 --> 01:05:45,239
forgot all the names, h Ror
Snow, God, who are so many

980
01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:49,360
other ones? What was the one
from New York? What her name?

981
01:05:50,039 --> 01:05:55,480
She did a big cream pie movie? She was real wilder, Like she

982
01:05:55,559 --> 01:06:00,400
went to Europe and like seventy guys
came in AUSS. I don't know,

983
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:05,280
I'm thinking I was thinking of your
fifty guy cream pie movie? Was Jennifer

984
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:11,199
light Yeah, right right now?
Yeah, I don't know the seventy guys

985
01:06:11,239 --> 01:06:15,519
in the ass one? Hmmm.
I don't know. But I mean,

986
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:20,079
were you were you willing to give
that kind of you know, Okay,

987
01:06:20,159 --> 01:06:25,280
sure, sure, sure? Because
does anything I help them? I picture

988
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:29,880
nowadays, you know, with the
proliferation of OnlyFans and everything else, that

989
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:34,280
there's so many girls who I mean
the performers we talked to who are seem

990
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:39,480
like they're primarily in front of the
camera and know so much about behind it

991
01:06:39,519 --> 01:06:43,159
as well, because they're shooting it
themselves, lighting scenes and all the shit.

992
01:06:43,239 --> 01:06:45,840
I paid forty grand to go to
film school for. I should have

993
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:54,360
done porn. I should have just
let people the seven guys in Europe.

994
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:58,159
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm
gonna I'm gonna shut my camera down here

995
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:00,920
because I'm going to change the back. So this is my list of the

996
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:05,159
top ten girls of the early ish
two thousands, probably goes up to twenty

997
01:07:05,239 --> 01:07:10,079
ten. If you remember any stories
about them, anything like that, recall

998
01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:13,920
how they were as a performer.
I made sure to grab mostly girls who

999
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,840
were out of the industry, just
because you don't want to step on any

1000
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,760
toes. Not looking for any negative
stories, but if there is one and

1001
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:24,639
you're willing to say it, hey
that's fine. Positive stories are good too.

1002
01:07:24,719 --> 01:07:30,960
Number ten on my list was did
that change? Oh? Really,

1003
01:07:30,639 --> 01:07:38,679
I don't see anything. Yeah,
Jalen Fox. Do you remember anything about

1004
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:43,960
Jalen? I also made sure to
make to that you had directed them in

1005
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:46,320
scenes. Yeah. I shot her
a few times, actually, a bunch

1006
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:55,800
of times. I remember that Jalen. I think she was Sarka two thousand

1007
01:07:55,840 --> 01:08:00,559
and nine ish ten, right,
yep, Yeah, she was kind of

1008
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:03,840
the later towards the very ending of
the Bocockis and stuff. She was on

1009
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,599
the last ones. I just remember
because we used to do a bunch of

1010
01:08:06,639 --> 01:08:11,639
stuff with Porno Dan with her where
she did like a lot of the fucking

1011
01:08:11,639 --> 01:08:14,440
fans. She did all that Porno
Dan stuff. So I do remember.

1012
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:20,239
I remember her Jalen Fox. I
god, I you know a lot of

1013
01:08:20,239 --> 01:08:23,640
this stuff. If you remind me
of some movies and started talking to me

1014
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,439
a bunch of stuff and probably pop
into my head. I really don't have

1015
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:30,479
anything good or that day. I
just remember she was really good. You

1016
01:08:30,520 --> 01:08:32,119
know, she was a wild you
know, she was one of the classic

1017
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:35,479
she was doing Gocuin and whatever.
She was a cot count. Okay,

1018
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:40,039
I'd have to look at the scene. What was this? Do you remember

1019
01:08:40,079 --> 01:08:44,159
which one was six? I believe
doing it. Do you remember what the

1020
01:08:44,199 --> 01:08:47,760
scenario was? No? I do
a lot of comm I think she does

1021
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,560
she have goggles on. Maybe they
all did. I don't know. We

1022
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,560
did different things all the time.
I was always I was always jumping the

1023
01:08:55,640 --> 01:09:00,239
shark we cooked the com We used
to cook the comm This was discussed in

1024
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:02,880
the world cooking eighty loads of comedy. Don't that smells like because I had,

1025
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:09,000
Yeah, not pleasant, I'd assume. Let me say, I'm looking

1026
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:11,960
at this. So I do remember
her as being really wild. I don't

1027
01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:15,199
have a medical scene. It looks
I know. She was a very fun

1028
01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:19,399
girl. Okay, okay, all
right, fair enough. Number nine here

1029
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:27,960
I would consider probably my favorite dirty
talker in terms of piggishness, and that's

1030
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,680
a compliment. It was Kelly Wells. Oh quite well, quite well.

1031
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:40,239
I shot Kelly a bundle of times. Kelly was like, she just loved

1032
01:09:41,119 --> 01:09:45,560
Okay, She's from the era when
they it was a very lot choking and

1033
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:49,600
beating and slapping and you know,
grabbing the heels, the face, bugging

1034
01:09:49,680 --> 01:10:00,239
the anal just right, grab before
porn collapsed, when it was just your

1035
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:02,640
red light. Everybody in the world
was throwing on DVDs as fast as they

1036
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:08,359
could, like it was the end
of the Roman Empire era. So I

1037
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:10,840
used to shoot Relox. She was
like, I used to shoe camera for

1038
01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:14,199
Skeeter and she was one of his
favorites. But yeah, I shot Kelly

1039
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:18,199
a zillion times she was great wild. Yeah, that that's and you'll notice

1040
01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:25,239
a trend in my favoriteier. It's
not this is not an insult. Obviously

1041
01:10:25,279 --> 01:10:31,119
there are my top ten lists.
Not a conventionally attractive face. Attractive is

1042
01:10:31,159 --> 01:10:34,239
the wrong word there. You'll see
by the time we get to number one,

1043
01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:39,640
how do I say, let's stick
with conventional convention not conventional looks.

1044
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:44,680
But I really love girl really was
you know there for their girls cut from

1045
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:48,199
that era, sure, but that's
how they had to be in that area.

1046
01:10:48,319 --> 01:10:51,800
You conform to whatever area you're in, for sure. And these are

1047
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:55,640
girls that would eat girls today alive. I get it. But that's because

1048
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:58,720
the era they're from. Sure.
So, And look at the type of

1049
01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:02,479
stuff. Tough Love the most brutal
series ever made. Sure it was like

1050
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,840
basically rape, you know, if
you think about it, that's what it

1051
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:15,159
was. Number eight on my list
here Taylor Rain, Yeah quite well.

1052
01:11:15,399 --> 01:11:19,840
Taylor's funny. Taylor was buddies with
Ashley, that was one of her best

1053
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:29,560
friends, and then Taylor started dating
Ashley's old boyfriend, Trent. If you

1054
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:34,880
remember, after they broke up,
Taylor was then dating him and everything she

1055
01:11:35,039 --> 01:11:40,359
was she was hilarious Taylor was funny. She was She became a realtor,

1056
01:11:40,399 --> 01:11:45,119
didn't she whatever happened to her.
You know, I try and limit myself

1057
01:11:45,119 --> 01:11:47,800
from following it after the fact.
That's when you for me personally, you're

1058
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:50,680
involved in the industry. If I
start looking up real names and what they

1059
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:57,239
did after the fact that the border
starts training order, no, no,

1060
01:11:57,239 --> 01:12:00,199
no, not quite. I just
remember the last I'd never heard of her,

1061
01:12:00,199 --> 01:12:03,760
But Taylor was funny. That was
one of Ashley's buddy so I must

1062
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,640
have shot her thirty times. She
was always on the set. She was

1063
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,199
always hanging out with Actually, she
would just hang out set all the time,

1064
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:14,359
so she was always around us.
She was cool, she was funny

1065
01:12:14,359 --> 01:12:17,399
as fuck. This girl could tell
stories. There you go. I do

1066
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,520
remember. I remember one time she
was on the set because she was going

1067
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:26,359
to be doing a movie with It
was either de Niro or Puccino. I

1068
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:30,039
figure which one it was. I
go, really, go geody lines,

1069
01:12:30,039 --> 01:12:33,119
She goes, I only have forty
lines of dialogue. You have forty lines

1070
01:12:33,159 --> 01:12:38,119
of dialogue with Nero. So I
don't know what movie this was, But

1071
01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:41,399
anyway, that was I realized an
interview. By the way, I actually

1072
01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:44,880
interviewed her because she was in that
movie. I think, do you remember

1073
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:49,199
Coxstar, Yeah, I believe.
So. We would take these girls and

1074
01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:54,359
we would interview them and just let
them say the most ridiculous things. And

1075
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:59,039
we were trying to find the girls
that were just like they were just ridiculous,

1076
01:12:59,039 --> 01:13:00,199
you know what I mean. She
was one of them, Taylor was.

1077
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:05,359
It was funny. Next okay,
next number seven, Kayla Marie.

1078
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:13,760
Yeah, I shot her. Uh
that that seemed either like you don't remember

1079
01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,399
her or you do. I don't. Cayla's an only one. She look

1080
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,199
a lot of times if you don't
really remember the girls because they did their

1081
01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:25,800
job. They were good. Fair
really remember because a really big quldn't stand

1082
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,439
them, or they were really good. Fair Enough was always around. That's

1083
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:31,960
why I totally remember Taylor Rain,
Kayler Marae. I remember the face.

1084
01:13:32,039 --> 01:13:34,760
We shot her a lot. She
was a regular. Yeah, she was

1085
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:39,479
good. You know, I don't
remember much about her. Gotcha fair Enough

1086
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:44,560
number six still in the industry,
Gianna Michaels. I didn't shoot her that

1087
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:49,039
much. She was ridiculously popular though, and she was really good. She's

1088
01:13:49,039 --> 01:13:53,720
still she's still around. She is
I think she does a lot of uh

1089
01:13:54,560 --> 01:14:00,920
more, the individual only fans and
night flirt or tech whatever, those things

1090
01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:04,479
blew up fast and was literally was
unbookable, like within a year. So

1091
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,880
I didn't shoot her a lot a
couple of times. That was it because

1092
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:13,720
she got really really popular fast and
it was just too hard to book her.

1093
01:14:14,119 --> 01:14:19,159
I went maybe eight years ago,
Gianna Michaels and Sophie d were feature

1094
01:14:19,239 --> 01:14:25,640
dancing, and yeah they were feature
dancing close to us. So my friend

1095
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:30,359
drove me about forty miles out or
forty minutes out, and I got so

1096
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,359
pissed drunk, I mean just embarrassingly
drunk. The bartender was cute. She

1097
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:38,079
had this fucking what is it called
Shane you hate it rock a billy look,

1098
01:14:38,279 --> 01:14:40,800
and I just kept handing her twenties. Hey, give me another drink,

1099
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,279
give me another drinking, me another
drink. By the end of the

1100
01:14:43,399 --> 01:14:47,439
night. Now Sophie also appeared to
be consuming something as well. Sophie was

1101
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:51,479
a drinker. Sophie used to get
covered. Yeah she would have been on

1102
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:55,079
this list, but I wanted to
ask you more about the people that aren't

1103
01:14:55,119 --> 01:15:00,319
because Sophie, I mean seems like
she's really blown up even more, really

1104
01:15:00,319 --> 01:15:02,920
well, she lives in Vegas.
Like I said, she doesn't do foreign

1105
01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:06,079
anymore, but she dances and does
her own thing in our private work.

1106
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:10,640
But she's doing really well as far
as I do. So by the end

1107
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:15,359
of the night, I am there
just pissed drunk at the bar, my

1108
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:20,359
head like this, and across from
me is Sophie d doing the same exact

1109
01:15:20,399 --> 01:15:25,399
thing, and we're both just I
mean, face is melting, you know,

1110
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:28,920
and my friend is saying, hey, we gotta leave, we gotta

1111
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:30,399
leave. I said, hey,
just a minute. We're looking at each

1112
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:34,920
other like apes who had never seen
this species before, and we're just trying

1113
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:40,199
to analyze is this something like me? Or is this in a different genus?

1114
01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:45,159
And I had singles splayed out all
over the bar, and she very

1115
01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:51,279
drunkenly but professionally takes the bud light
bucket she had and puts it next to

1116
01:15:51,319 --> 01:15:56,399
the bar, slams it against it
like kind of, and just takes all

1117
01:15:56,439 --> 01:16:00,399
of my singles and loads them into
her bucket and then lays face down on

1118
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:03,640
the bar. And I went time
to go. When I turned around,

1119
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,560
the left, who's good. I
actually got kicked out that night, so

1120
01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:11,720
I don't know what happened between that
and leaving? But yes, that is

1121
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:17,920
my Sophi D's story. Uh all
right, let's go to number five real

1122
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:23,399
quick where it was done. Girls. I'm not trying to hey, hey,

1123
01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:26,199
hey, I heard you. I
got it. I don't know what

1124
01:16:26,279 --> 01:16:29,000
to do. There's a fucking camera
here. What do you want from me?

1125
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,479
Ah? Fuck? You still see
the name Paris slash Heather Gables.

1126
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:36,600
I remember she changed her name at
one point when the parasite when things started

1127
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:40,119
breaking bait. Yeah, she had
a different name, did she when she

1128
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:44,920
was with the Extreme or whatever?
They renamed her or something? Uh yeah,

1129
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:47,039
I think again. I think it
went to Paris after that. Ye

1130
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:53,399
remember I heard all the time.
I totally remember her. She's in fact,

1131
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:58,079
I spoke to her last year.
I think somehow somebody was talking to

1132
01:16:58,119 --> 01:17:00,520
her on the phone and they called
him, hey, want to say hi

1133
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:04,079
to Heather. I forget who it
was. It was male talent. Some

1134
01:17:04,239 --> 01:17:09,399
male talent on the set hunged out
with her. She lives in Florida and

1135
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:12,279
put her on the phone with me
and I actually ended her at eight am,

1136
01:17:12,399 --> 01:17:15,359
like probably seven years ago or something. So she's still kind of around.

1137
01:17:15,399 --> 01:17:19,079
She does step in Florida. I
don't know what she does, okay,

1138
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:24,000
picture to Yeah, I don't trust
me. The audience isn't going to

1139
01:17:24,039 --> 01:17:27,199
see it anyway. It's just because
I wanted to give you a visual representation

1140
01:17:27,279 --> 01:17:30,239
of it. Who are you talking
about here? Okay? She was one

1141
01:17:30,279 --> 01:17:33,880
of Ashley's buddies. She's from that
whole Arab girl vert and we used to

1142
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:40,560
shoot her all the time. She
was a regular. Okay, number four.

1143
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:48,800
Let me see if I can move
Tiffany Holiday or she had a boyfriend

1144
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:53,600
or something. I remember. I
can't see what I shot her when I

1145
01:17:53,600 --> 01:18:00,119
shoot her in Oh, let's see
Gag Factor seventeen, the Babysitter twenty or

1146
01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:03,319
sure the same. But yeah,
I remember Tiffany Holiday. It's another one.

1147
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:09,880
I remember. She's from the era
I shot her as some boyfriend or

1148
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:14,560
somebody, some boyfriend or something buddy
I knew she was dating. That's all

1149
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:18,239
I remember about her. She I
think had my favorite and again, who

1150
01:18:18,279 --> 01:18:24,680
gives a ship? My favorite nipples
of all time personally and ariola. There

1151
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:28,279
you go. That's all a little
fun fact about me. I thought on

1152
01:18:28,319 --> 01:18:33,239
your fucking tombs. Yeah yeah,
number three on my list. Gauge obviously,

1153
01:18:33,279 --> 01:18:38,479
We've talked about her before, Gauge
in fact, Great Gauge, we

1154
01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:43,479
guy in the business. She had
a boyfriend named Mojo. Obviously they broke

1155
01:18:43,560 --> 01:18:46,640
up or whatever, but Gage was
a character. She was like, this

1156
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:53,880
Southern girl is just wild. She
was like the queen of scorting and pissing

1157
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:57,520
and everything, wasn't she? She
was up there? Yeah, she told

1158
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,239
us on the podcast, actually the
first time she had ever told it,

1159
01:19:00,319 --> 01:19:02,600
I guess publicly. She told us
at least how she got her name,

1160
01:19:03,159 --> 01:19:08,000
and it was when she was dancing
and got some I don't know, some

1161
01:19:08,039 --> 01:19:11,600
shit kicking hill billy in Arkansas or
somewhere said, damn you like a twelve

1162
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,680
Gage shotgun and she said, there's
my name. Gage jumped up on the

1163
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:20,479
stage. There it was. Your
boyfriend was Mojo Gage in Morojo. That's

1164
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:26,359
how I love The first time.
Number two again, not a lot of

1165
01:19:26,359 --> 01:19:30,079
scenes, so you may not know
where as well. It was Cammy Andrews.

1166
01:19:30,039 --> 01:19:32,840
Oh my god, I shot Cammy
Andrews a zillion time, did you

1167
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:38,520
Andrews? Because you just have the
stuff my name I used to shoot under

1168
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:42,000
a bunch of different names back thinks, look at Jim. They didn't want

1169
01:19:42,079 --> 01:19:45,760
to loot the market in those days
of this different world. So each company

1170
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,960
I shopped for I had a different
director. Nay I shopped for I was

1171
01:19:48,239 --> 01:19:54,439
stive, stive baters or stive gators. I called myself my shop for coast

1172
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:58,520
to coast or stive baters with dead
boys. There was the New Church anyway.

1173
01:19:58,880 --> 01:20:00,880
That's who I was over there.
And I used to shoot her like

1174
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:04,680
I do everybody names like Ip Freely
and stuff. She used to do a

1175
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:09,119
lot of pea videos and stuff.
So I used to shoot her for film

1176
01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:12,439
Coat a lot in a lot of
these other companies I shot came as zillion

1177
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:19,039
times. I just loved how again
beautiful but unconventional and just dirty. I

1178
01:20:19,079 --> 01:20:24,920
mean, you know, he was
great, really good. Her best friend

1179
01:20:25,279 --> 01:20:29,520
was I think it was? Was
it her Riquel Divine buddies, can't I

1180
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,079
think herm ri Keel Divine kind of
came in together. I don't Yeah,

1181
01:20:32,079 --> 01:20:34,760
I don't know. I don't know. It's weird. I don't know her

1182
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:40,359
hmm, yeah, I don't know. I know a lot about that era,

1183
01:20:40,520 --> 01:20:43,079
but you know, with the things
I don't, I guess I don't.

1184
01:20:43,079 --> 01:20:45,960
So let me ask you. Seeing
the people I've gone through seeing what

1185
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,000
we've talked about. Who do you
think the number one is if you were

1186
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:56,319
to just guess Ashley Blue now not
Ashley Blue, oh, then Tory Lane

1187
01:20:56,600 --> 01:21:00,680
or Snow Gia Paloma. Oh my
god, I know her quite well.

1188
01:21:00,920 --> 01:21:05,359
Yeah, yeah, I if we
are able to get Gia Paloma on the

1189
01:21:05,399 --> 01:21:12,399
show, it'll be the last episode
that that she was directing. You know,

1190
01:21:12,399 --> 01:21:15,079
I was shooting camera for like two
years, remember before COVID, and

1191
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:20,239
she's got kids and everything, and
she's married and she's just completely left all

1192
01:21:20,279 --> 01:21:25,159
for her. She had nothing to
do. But I when the first time

1193
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:28,239
I shot Ga, I show remember
her he for scenes. She was still

1194
01:21:28,279 --> 01:21:32,960
working at Starbucks, and I think
she came on the office. We shown

1195
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:36,359
her a gag Factor and then she
came by to visit. I said,

1196
01:21:36,399 --> 01:21:39,479
Hey, you were doing a p
cocky layer that night. You want to

1197
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:43,640
stop by the said see what it's
like. So whatever, whoever was driving

1198
01:21:43,680 --> 01:21:47,960
around agent or whatever, she came
by the Cocky and then we would shoot

1199
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:51,439
her all the time she was and
she's like on the cover of Fuck Pig

1200
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:57,800
and everything. Gia Ploma is a
filthy, fucking pig and all these all

1201
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:00,960
these different lines. Yeah, she
was. She's a what was it,

1202
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:06,079
wink like a pig or what was
that lion? We used to do squeal

1203
01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:12,279
like a pig. And yeah,
Geo was a rego. She's she liked

1204
01:22:12,279 --> 01:22:15,520
getting monkey punched, you know,
donkey punch. That's that's what I was

1205
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:17,560
gonna say. I think you were
the first one to have that on film,

1206
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:21,239
right, I think I was.
I look at somebody had done it,

1207
01:22:21,279 --> 01:22:25,039
but like Jeff Mike would see this
ship goes, you need to do

1208
01:22:25,079 --> 01:22:28,439
this. So yeah, it was
ga Plow it's in. I think I

1209
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:32,279
got her mouth right, got her
mouth shirty. I think some guy named

1210
01:22:32,319 --> 01:22:36,880
Alex maybe Alex Sanders was so good
at the tough loves and all that stuff.

1211
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:42,159
Yeah, back in those days.
And yeah, Gia Paloma she was

1212
01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:45,159
great. I'm that's another one my
one of my favorite scenes. I shot

1213
01:22:45,159 --> 01:22:54,079
her in a Filthy Things number is
it one? I think Filthy Things number

1214
01:22:54,119 --> 01:22:59,880
one. I shoot her in a
fraternity house and there's literally a hundred drunken

1215
01:23:00,079 --> 01:23:02,239
eyes. You watch the scene all
around the thing and they're on the table

1216
01:23:02,680 --> 01:23:11,800
and Dave Hardman is fucking wearing a
mask and we're taking this giant plexiglass tube

1217
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:15,680
because they were like to put to
stick up her and they're shoving it up

1218
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:19,479
her and everything and it's it's in. Yeah, she's in a lot of

1219
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:23,600
those old She's the cover and mouth
Take a look at the cover of mouth

1220
01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:27,279
Be one. Google it right now
the cover. Oh yeah, I am

1221
01:23:27,359 --> 01:23:31,520
there. Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was our mouth beat

1222
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:34,239
too. She's the number two.
Maybe she's mouth be too, her mouth

1223
01:23:34,319 --> 01:23:45,560
beat too powers Bill, Yeah,
number two. I can't give yeah.

1224
01:23:45,640 --> 01:23:47,439
Yeah, and that's what I was
going to ask you. That was with

1225
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:50,319
the the I can't I can't show
it because this is gonna eventually go on

1226
01:23:50,319 --> 01:23:55,399
YouTube. But you got the monster
eyes and the big eye lashes and the

1227
01:23:55,439 --> 01:23:59,840
punk hair, the real it's uh, that was too. Does that go

1228
01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:02,920
to some of your creativity in terms
of you when you wanted to do weird

1229
01:24:03,119 --> 01:24:06,680
looking stuff. Yeah. She's kept
on a chain because she's a wild animal,

1230
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:10,319
and they bring her the room.
She's snipping everybody like a like a

1231
01:24:10,359 --> 01:24:15,119
dog, and then we pur loose
on them and she blows like when I

1232
01:24:15,119 --> 01:24:16,840
had like forty guys or something,
I don't this is the number on the

1233
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:23,039
cover, sure of eight girls,
fifty two cocks. Yes, yeah,

1234
01:24:23,079 --> 01:24:25,479
Well she probably, but she had
the line and share. Some are one

1235
01:24:25,479 --> 01:24:29,359
on ones or whatever. But that's
during that arable. We needed all those

1236
01:24:29,399 --> 01:24:31,319
numbers. You see what There was
tons of this work they do, but

1237
01:24:31,439 --> 01:24:35,479
cockey they'd come to a mountain,
they'd get a blow blow bang. We

1238
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:40,600
actually we never did the blowbangs.
We did do a blow bang. It

1239
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:43,800
was a dual iced to do the
suck off challenge. Yeah, yeah,

1240
01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:46,479
I like that. I like those. Yeah yeah, we do the suck

1241
01:24:46,479 --> 01:24:49,479
off challenges in those days. I
never really need to blow bangs or either

1242
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:54,840
gang bangings or I guess that is
a blowbang, but you know it's a

1243
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:57,640
funny mouthing. I didn't even think
about that. It's just a blowbang,

1244
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:02,800
isn't it. But we didn't call
it back then. Yeah, more things

1245
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:08,000
change, the more they stay the
same, Right. I got people all

1246
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:09,680
the time. I'll say things to
me and said, oh, we need

1247
01:25:09,720 --> 01:25:12,359
to do this. I'm like Jesus, I shot that nineteen ninety four,

1248
01:25:12,399 --> 01:25:15,239
you know what I mean. It's
like like, you know, like I

1249
01:25:15,279 --> 01:25:17,079
don't even reverse g anywaycause the first
time I shot one like that, who

1250
01:25:17,159 --> 01:25:20,239
was it? I think Rocco and
Freddy I did it with like ten Girls

1251
01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:26,399
in ninety three Jerry Pike, Remember
that guy? I did him in a

1252
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:32,000
Ferrari dealership or Porsche dealership, doing
like twelve girls back ninety fourish by to

1253
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:35,640
the same period. A. Yeah, one more and then we can wrap

1254
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:41,359
up. Only because I notice her
here on this and it always makes me

1255
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:48,079
sad. How well did you know
Haley Page? Am I at the Blonde?

1256
01:25:48,680 --> 01:25:56,319
No, she was married to Chico
Wang. I knew her very well,

1257
01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,399
did you. Yeah, I shot
her. We'll take the look.

1258
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:02,000
She's on the cover Filthy Things number
one. Yep. I used to shoot

1259
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:09,000
her all the time, and she
was very She's a good girl. We

1260
01:26:09,399 --> 01:26:13,000
tried a bunch and she got caught
up with Chico. And you're not supposed

1261
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:15,239
to talk about that about the dead
people, but she was a deck It

1262
01:26:15,319 --> 01:26:19,960
wasn't I did not like she.
Yeah, well, I mean you turned

1263
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:25,840
out to be right on that one. I think that's fair. Yeah all

1264
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:29,760
right, Well, thank you for
indulging me on all of that, Jim.

1265
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:32,399
Anytime I talk to any of these
new girls that we interview, I

1266
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:34,680
go like, so, who are
your favorites? And they go, you

1267
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:38,960
know this person, this person.
I want one girl to go man,

1268
01:26:39,039 --> 01:26:42,439
nobody fucked like Kelly Wells and be
like, yeah, yeah, you know

1269
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:46,000
what I'm talking about. But that
was that era though. Look at the

1270
01:26:46,119 --> 01:26:53,800
girls you just brought up, like
it's everybody like every era kind of it's

1271
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,520
different, but that was that era. We're coming right out of that crazy

1272
01:26:57,760 --> 01:27:01,359
era of everyone hopping each other into
this into that era that they were like

1273
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:05,600
these superstars a fuck and they took
it as a badge of honor that they

1274
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:09,840
would literally fuck the shit out of
the guy and show up and destroy them.

1275
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:15,079
And that's what these girls were like. That's why I call it the

1276
01:27:15,079 --> 01:27:20,239
Golden Era personally, really really and
everybody was shooting in so much and stuff

1277
01:27:20,279 --> 01:27:24,199
that's going, you know, it
was just it was right, you know,

1278
01:27:24,319 --> 01:27:26,960
especially as the ones you're showing me
there, Ga, Kelly, because

1279
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,760
you basically brought ten girls from the
same era. Sure. Oh yeah,

1280
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,119
well, and I think I mean
that was when Shane and I were fifteen

1281
01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:39,640
to twenty five, you know.
And I go back and I look at

1282
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:48,960
the first porn DVD I ever bought. It was fucked me whatever, I'm

1283
01:27:49,279 --> 01:27:51,840
blanking on it now, But I
went back and I looked at it the

1284
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:55,279
other day and I went, oh, those are like all of my favorite

1285
01:27:55,319 --> 01:27:59,439
girls, like some of the Elisa
Sparks and Andy Cruz, Gia Paloma.

1286
01:28:00,039 --> 01:28:01,920
Well, I'm surprised you don't have
like Hannah Harper in there, and who

1287
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,479
else or some other ones. Tory
Lane. I like Tori, but you

1288
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:09,000
know what, to me, I
know, it sounds weird and this is

1289
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:11,960
probably gonna be really insulting to my
wife because I think she's beautiful. But

1290
01:28:12,279 --> 01:28:16,319
I really like that unconventional face.
And yeah, I trust Miami. I

1291
01:28:16,359 --> 01:28:20,600
like Tory Lane too, but it's
more those are more like a little symmetrical.

1292
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:28,720
You look at Giapaloma and it's like, I don't know, this is

1293
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,880
insulting to say. It feels a
little more attainable than more of like the

1294
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:36,439
bimbofied you know, girls of today
and stuff like that. I don't know,

1295
01:28:38,479 --> 01:28:42,279
whatever, let's pretty bimbo fire in
that picture. Oh yeah, no,

1296
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,319
and that was I think that was
later. She got the implants and

1297
01:28:45,319 --> 01:28:47,520
stuff like that at the ending.
Take a look at her early stuff.

1298
01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,319
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
no, I you know, I've seen

1299
01:28:50,399 --> 01:28:55,479
I've seen plenty of it. Like
I said, look at watch the scene.

1300
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:59,239
It's here filtering things one or two. It might be number two.

1301
01:29:00,079 --> 01:29:03,960
Watch that scene with Gia Paloma.
I promise you I've seen it, Jim.

1302
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:12,039
I guarantee you I've seen it.
He's seen it. Ladies and gentlemen,

1303
01:29:12,039 --> 01:29:15,560
tonight we had with us mister Jim
Powers. Prolific director. I would

1304
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:21,159
say he's worked with everyone that I've
ever loved in my life. You can

1305
01:29:21,159 --> 01:29:26,640
find him on Twitter at Jim Powers
xxx and uh, you know, check

1306
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:30,199
the episode description below for links to
everything. In fact, I'll put a

1307
01:29:30,199 --> 01:29:33,600
little thing on there for what is
it, Kilroy? Yeah, yeah,

1308
01:29:34,079 --> 01:29:38,119
there you go. There you go. There's your links. Jim. Thank

1309
01:29:38,159 --> 01:29:40,720
you very much for coming on with
us tonight. Cool. You guys,

1310
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:43,920
have a good night for your worst
friend. I'm Matt, I'm Shane.

1311
01:29:44,199 --> 01:30:00,680
Thanks for listening. We'll see you
next week. Take care, guys to