WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:07.839 You're listening to KFI A six forty on demand. I was talking to Ned 2 00:00:08.640 --> 00:00:13.359 off the air and wanted to let you know that we chatted a little bit 3 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:17.600 about the church. He had some concerns of two different churches, one that 4 00:00:17.719 --> 00:00:22.600 kicked someone out, saying that they were making people feel uncomfortable, and the 5 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:28.839 other one that he said was keeping a family from seeing other parts of their 6 00:00:28.879 --> 00:00:33.320 family, which is really odd. There are movements called the Shepherding movement where 7 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:42.399 Christianity starts to borderline on cultism and wanting to control your life, where who 8 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:46.280 you marry, where you move, things like that. I don't see that 9 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:50.240 from the church that he mentioned in Aspen. Taking a look at that, 10 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:56.520 I don't see anything that overtly at this point is problematic. But we chatted 11 00:00:56.560 --> 00:01:00.039 a little bit about not wrapping your faith up into the people of the church. 12 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:06.519 Churches will make major mistakes and people abuse power, even people, even 13 00:01:06.599 --> 00:01:11.480 Christians, and power abuse power. And we didn't have time to go through 14 00:01:11.480 --> 00:01:15.000 every single detail there, but always have a watchful eye for how the church 15 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:21.120 treats people. It's an important part of being in a community. And if 16 00:01:21.159 --> 00:01:26.439 something gives you a red flag, it's it's worthy of going to ask. 17 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:32.000 But if you're looking for perfection in a church, you're going to be frustrated 18 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:38.719 as well, because it's it's You're not going to find it there. There's 19 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:42.920 going to be issues there, just like any other place. Quite honestly, 20 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:49.480 sadly but true. Jay, welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Yeah, 21 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:55.359 thank you for kicking my goal. My question. My question is this, 22 00:01:55.959 --> 00:02:04.879 My sister wants to be uh ashes when she passes away and Jesus yashuah I 23 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:12.280 had to go back to his body to be resurrected. Are we supposed to 24 00:02:12.280 --> 00:02:17.120 be ashes or should we? Should we have our body intact? So I've 25 00:02:17.240 --> 00:02:23.159 heard that the temple of God, you can't mess with the temple. The 26 00:02:23.199 --> 00:02:29.199 body is the temple of God. She wants to be as I say no, 27 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:35.000 no, because we need a theological answer. Yahu. I'm asking you, 28 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:44.960 should we be intact or should we be ashes? It's cheaper and yeah, 29 00:02:44.960 --> 00:02:49.919 it's cheaper and more convenient and more eco friendly and all kinds of things. 30 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:55.800 So, Jay, the fact that you are using Yeshua are you do 31 00:02:55.919 --> 00:03:00.759 you come from a Jewish belief system? No? I say you show it 32 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:07.840 because I come from Catholic. But now and then, I'm not a feeling. 33 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:12.000 I've never really studied the whole stuff, but I am searching. But 34 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:15.520 I am also I want my sister to be attacked. Okay, so let's 35 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:21.000 that that's your one that Let's look at scripture. There is nothing in scripture. 36 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:23.560 As a matter of fact, Scripture says ashes to ashes, dust to 37 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:27.919 dust, from the ground. You came from the ground, you shall return 38 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:31.680 there. There is nothing, there's no benefit. God is not stupid. 39 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:36.840 God is not sitting there going, oh my gosh, she's ash. How 40 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:40.319 am I going to put this back together? God created her from ash, 41 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:46.039 and from ash he can create her again. There is no there's no issue 42 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:51.280 there. There's no issue in cremation to a Christian. Our Jewish brothers and 43 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:54.960 sisters may feel differently, but to a Christian there is no problem with cremation. 44 00:03:55.599 --> 00:04:00.159 Also, there is uh and no problem in scripture. And also there 45 00:04:00.199 --> 00:04:05.639 is no problem with donating your body to science. God is not going to 46 00:04:05.680 --> 00:04:10.159 be going, oh what am I to do? That has nothing to do. 47 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:14.639 The reason why I was fully intact during that process is because it was 48 00:04:14.719 --> 00:04:17.839 less than three days and there it was part of a burial which was the 49 00:04:19.360 --> 00:04:26.439 which was the tradition then, but now as there are over seven billion people 50 00:04:26.560 --> 00:04:33.160 on the planet and real estate is at a high price because it's more and 51 00:04:33.240 --> 00:04:40.680 more, there's less space that it if for those that choose to be cremated, 52 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:44.040 it becomes a very practical way to do it, and it doesn't affect 53 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:48.959 God or spirituality or resurrection or any of those things at all. It's a 54 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:54.000 personal choice. So if your sister wants to do it, there's nothing in 55 00:04:54.040 --> 00:04:57.399 scripture that says she can't. I know, it may make you feel a 56 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:00.040 little odd. I know a family member, there's a lot of family members 57 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:05.120 feel that way because they feel like it's the body's being destroyed. But scripture 58 00:05:05.199 --> 00:05:09.639 never puts weight on the body. The body is just a vessel. It's 59 00:05:09.680 --> 00:05:12.399 like your car. It just moves your body from place to place. So 60 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:15.920 your body just moves your spirit from place to place. But once the body's 61 00:05:15.920 --> 00:05:17.959 gone, it doesn't matter. You're going to be in a resurrected body anyways, 62 00:05:17.800 --> 00:05:27.800 it's going to be different. So we have your permission absolutely, if 63 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:31.959 that's your choice, there's nothing wrong with it whatsoever. There's nothing in scripture 64 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:35.879 that says that you can't be cremated, or that it's going to somehow cause 65 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:42.959 some a problem during the resurrection or anything like that. Nothing whatsoever, personal 66 00:05:43.040 --> 00:05:49.519 choice, that's all. Okay, all right, thank you, you're quite 67 00:05:49.519 --> 00:05:53.959 welcome. I know that those things weigh heavy on people because they think that 68 00:05:54.040 --> 00:05:58.639 somehow you're destroying the temple. You're not, because the body is the temple 69 00:05:58.680 --> 00:06:02.319 that holds the spirit. The spirit is that which is important. Okay. 70 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:06.959 The temple has always been the thing that held the Holy of Holies. It 71 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:12.480 wasn't the temple, wasn't the important part as much as it was what was 72 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:16.560 inside the temple. And in this particular case, when it talks about in 73 00:06:16.560 --> 00:06:23.759 Corinthians about your body being the temple, it's really it's really talking about don't 74 00:06:23.959 --> 00:06:29.600 take your body for granted during this life and destroy it, you know, 75 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:32.199 treat to be a good steward of the life you've been given. But at 76 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:35.199 the point of death, it doesn't mean treat the body as some sort of 77 00:06:35.240 --> 00:06:42.000 sacred object per se. It's if you want to be buried, be buried. 78 00:06:42.839 --> 00:06:46.839 If you want to be cremated, be cremated. If you want to 79 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:50.480 be turned into a tree fertilizer for a tree and it's legal, then so 80 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:58.519 be it. There's nothing that's not going to get in any way messed up 81 00:06:58.560 --> 00:07:03.759 with the final judgment or anything like that. People get lost in that and 82 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:12.759 it becomes becomes a fear that somehow you're not you're going to miss out because 83 00:07:12.800 --> 00:07:18.439 you it became cremated or had your body cremated. It doesn't, it doesn't 84 00:07:18.720 --> 00:07:24.480 play into it as a whole. Jeff, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. 85 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:27.639 Yes, sir, good morning. How are you doing? I am 86 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:30.040 well. How can I help you? Jeff? Well, first of all, 87 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:34.120 I want to thank you for taking my call, and I appreciate listening 88 00:07:34.120 --> 00:07:39.079 to you on Sunday mornings. That's nice, appreciate it. The pleasure's mine. 89 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:42.680 How can I help you? Thank you? Well, I'll start with 90 00:07:42.720 --> 00:07:44.600 I have two things that I asked you about, but I'll start with the 91 00:07:44.600 --> 00:07:50.800 most important one here. I've been thinking about perhaps I've been either hypercritical on 92 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:57.199 myself and others a lot lately, especially since I then set in scripture and 93 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:01.040 listen to your show and so into attend church more than you know when I 94 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:07.160 was you know, a young man. Whatever. But you know, I'll 95 00:08:07.560 --> 00:08:13.439 make this a little more brief relationship wise, This is where it becomes important. 96 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:18.160 I have a very significant other. I've known her for about five years. 97 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:22.519 In the beginning, I well, of course liked her a lot, 98 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:24.079 but didn't want to be with her. She was a few years older than 99 00:08:24.120 --> 00:08:30.439 me, already has a child with a past marriage the last year and a 100 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:33.000 half or so. Then wanted, you know, decided like you are, 101 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:37.840 you know, kind of being a foolish to not see good person that had 102 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:41.639 in front of me. And then it's become nothing but strife and and you 103 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:46.919 know, you know, basically, uh, you know, a lot of 104 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.919 frustration after that. Once once I decided to go the path she wanted, 105 00:08:52.639 --> 00:08:54.639 you know, as far as being being with her, then it became, 106 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:00.440 you know, nothing but a lot of negative output. Whereas before she wouldn't 107 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:05.000 leave me alone when I didn't want to be with her in a committed relationship. 108 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:07.200 So yeah, and then now I look at things like a might being 109 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:13.440 hypercritical on how I look at her behavior. I hypercritical o myself as far 110 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:18.120 as what I do as well. To not elaborate of that one yet, 111 00:09:18.159 --> 00:09:24.559 but it goes on both ends, So I don't know, I'm very perplexed 112 00:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.000 by this one. I will tell you this, Jeff as a as a 113 00:09:28.039 --> 00:09:31.600 simple answer. Whenever a Christian asked me, are they being over judging and 114 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:37.879 hypocritical of others in themselves? The answer ninety nine point nine percent of the 115 00:09:37.879 --> 00:09:43.360 time is yes, Christians do that. Now, what if you feel, 116 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:48.200 well, I'm not trying to be like so judgmental where I'm saying, you 117 00:09:48.279 --> 00:09:52.080 know, what you're doing is completely wrong. It's against the you know, 118 00:09:52.759 --> 00:09:56.159 word of God or whatnot. I used to do with that out of a 119 00:09:56.200 --> 00:10:01.159 born again Christian aunt who no matter what you know, nothing, nothing was 120 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:07.519 correct. But yeah, and that becomes annoying for yourself and for others. 121 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:11.679 Yeah, yeah, exactly. We used to call her you know, well 122 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:15.240 it doesn't matter but yeah, no, no, Now her and I are 123 00:10:15.279 --> 00:10:16.440 friends. Actually I'll be going to with her later. In fact, we 124 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:20.519 had a falling out a few years back, and now I decided, when 125 00:10:20.519 --> 00:10:26.039 I was changing some things around that I would make contact and that we're actually 126 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:30.200 really really close. So this is really about a relationship with a woman, 127 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:33.519 right, Well that's yes, that's where the first part of it starts. 128 00:10:33.559 --> 00:10:37.679 But I also have applied this into other other areas of my life. A 129 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:43.279 good example would be yesterday I had a homeless individual, you know, say 130 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:45.559 something to me, to ask me a question I didn't know nobody asked me, 131 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.320 and I told him no, more like he was asked me for something, 132 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.879 don't know what told him no, an he kind of kind of fronted 133 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:54.759 me in an aggressive way, and so it looks like you're too scared to 134 00:10:54.799 --> 00:10:58.879 talk, and then I definitely should have wasn't too scared to talk? And 135 00:11:00.279 --> 00:11:03.759 well maybe that's a little too aggressive, right, So that's that's just one 136 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:07.440 analogy. But back to the relationship factor though, Like I said, I 137 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.639 can apply this to many areas of life. The relationship factor, though, 138 00:11:11.879 --> 00:11:15.799 would be all right. So now that I'm trying to have this relationship with 139 00:11:15.799 --> 00:11:18.440 this individual and understand certain things, I feel there's like this big pull away. 140 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:22.279 So when I see certain things that happen where I don't feel I've been 141 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:28.879 spoken to honestly or schedules don't keep up. Am I being extremely judgmental? 142 00:11:30.919 --> 00:11:33.120 Well not judgmental? Sorry? Am I not? Am I failing to realize 143 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:39.200 the fact that we She's got a daughter and you know there's other factors in 144 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:43.679 their life. Yeah? I think there. I actually think there's a a 145 00:11:43.720 --> 00:11:46.279 couple of things going on here, Jeff so hack and tight, and I'll 146 00:11:46.480 --> 00:11:54.559 give you my response in just a moment, I was talking with Jeff and 147 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:58.519 I wanted to clear some things up. We have just a moment here. 148 00:11:58.279 --> 00:12:03.200 He was talking about being judging and hypocritical of others in himself, and that's 149 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:07.559 pretty common with Christians that get wrapped up, or religionists in any way, 150 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:13.919 or people of faith in any faith can Often you're finding structure and it's almost 151 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:20.720 like you're finding structure for the first time. And there's a difference in life 152 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:26.200 between building. Let me put it this way, there's a difference between fine 153 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:31.879 art and architecture. Both are absolutely art, but one has to have structure 154 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.360 and rules to it because you're going to be building mass. You're going to 155 00:12:35.399 --> 00:12:41.799 be building something that has to house people or things or have electrical wiring, 156 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:46.159 have to be structurally sound, and therefore it has to it has to be 157 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:50.120 built by rules. Doesn't mean there is an art involved in it, but 158 00:12:50.159 --> 00:12:54.120 it has to be built by rules. And then on the other side, 159 00:12:54.200 --> 00:13:00.120 there is free flowing art. There is Jackson Pollock and an explosion of pain 160 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:05.360 on a canvas and you're trying to put these two together and figure out how 161 00:13:05.440 --> 00:13:07.720 they work in life and how they can be from the same thing. When 162 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:11.759 something's so rigid and something is so not so when it comes to Christianity, 163 00:13:11.799 --> 00:13:16.320 when it comes to faith, when it comes to applying your faith in life, 164 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:20.320 there are going to be times where the rigidity of those laws and the 165 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:26.440 things taught in scriptures, the thou shall and those thou shall not are going 166 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:31.799 to be important because of the structure you're building has more to do with housing 167 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:37.759 life and spirituality and things that need structure. And then in those instances it's 168 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:45.919 okay to be judgy and specific and hypercritical of yourself and others. And then 169 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:50.799 there are other things in life that are more fluid and have to breathe. 170 00:13:50.480 --> 00:13:58.399 They need space and poetry and not just symmetry. And in those things there 171 00:13:58.399 --> 00:14:07.200 has to be charity and acceptance and a broader look. And most of the 172 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.200 things in life, in relationships, really deal in that area. And it 173 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:15.200 doesn't mean that there aren't eyes you need to dot and tease, you need 174 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:18.919 to cross when you're finding a mate or a partner in life, most certainly 175 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:22.159 because it's going to be an important part but if you're looking for perfection or 176 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:28.440 for the fine detail that comes with architecture, you're not gonna find it because 177 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:31.879 people aren't built that way. So have a little bit of breath and a 178 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:37.080 little bit of open openness towards those things, and you'll find that life will 179 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:41.360 become easier. And then when it comes to the structure of morality and making 180 00:14:41.440 --> 00:14:45.039 choices in life and doing the right thing, then that structure should be there, 181 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:54.080 and you should dot every eye and cross every TV Renee, Welcome to 182 00:14:54.120 --> 00:15:00.679 the Jesus Christ Show. Yes, how can I help you, funny to 183 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:07.679 get your input on transgendered people and their relationship with God and stuff. I've 184 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:16.639 fifty six years old. I've been transitioning for twelve years, and I came 185 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:18.840 back to a town that I lived in for many years and was invited to 186 00:15:18.879 --> 00:15:24.240 a church by some people there, and then abruptly, once I found out 187 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:28.000 I was transgendered, with asked not to come or I have to be under 188 00:15:28.000 --> 00:15:31.399 strict codes, and started to be able to come to anything, and then 189 00:15:33.279 --> 00:15:37.960 another church they accept that fine. And as a Christian person myself, I've 190 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:43.480 wrestled with the question and how I don't trying to figure out what God's views 191 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:46.279 on that are. I you know, I don't really know. I guess 192 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:50.000 I just know I'm transgendered, and I don't know what God's views are. 193 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:54.080 I said that, hear what you had to say. Well, first of 194 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:56.840 all, I think it's important that the church treated you the way that it 195 00:15:56.879 --> 00:16:03.919 did. I find that to be unloving and Unchristian on so many levels. 196 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:10.639 I think the church. The interesting thing is, the church would love to 197 00:16:10.639 --> 00:16:14.240 say you're the one that's confused, but I think the churches, I think 198 00:16:14.279 --> 00:16:23.080 the church is in a place of that has a major deficit and understanding what 199 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:30.759 is taking place, what these different gender identities are, and how they're applied, 200 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:37.279 and what's the difference between somebody who may be confused and somebody who genuinely 201 00:16:37.399 --> 00:16:45.919 is saying I'm struggling with a mismatch of my body and my brain. And 202 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:51.559 they don't know where to put that. There's no clear definition, so they 203 00:16:51.559 --> 00:16:56.000 start applying scripture that should not be applied to it at all and kind of 204 00:16:56.039 --> 00:17:00.240 throwing it into one bucket and saying, Okay, I think this is this 205 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:03.640 is wow, We're going to make the decision. And unfortunately, people like 206 00:17:03.680 --> 00:17:08.680 yourself are struggling with their faith and saying, hey, I believe, and 207 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:11.599 I want to be a part of a church community, and I want to 208 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:15.640 give and I want to dedicate myself, and you're not allowing me to do 209 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:18.279 that. Some churches are. I don't want to put that on every church, 210 00:17:19.279 --> 00:17:22.599 but I do have a church now that I found that I go to 211 00:17:22.839 --> 00:17:32.400 and an Episcopal church and they're very accepting. So but you say that you 212 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:36.000 wrestle with it yourself, that as a believer you've wrestled with it. What 213 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:40.279 part do you wrestle with, Well, just the whole part. And it's 214 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:41.799 like, God, you know you made me this way. You know, 215 00:17:41.920 --> 00:17:45.240 I guess I had that part of me, and then I guess, and 216 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:48.640 then I guess some of the brow beatings from early on in my life. 217 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:53.359 Sure, And I say, you know, I always wrestled with it with 218 00:17:53.480 --> 00:17:56.799 God. I guess before I came out. I mean I was married and 219 00:17:57.279 --> 00:18:00.519 had a family and everything, and you know, it goes lives all that, 220 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:06.680 But that's the way it was dealt with back then, right. You 221 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:11.559 just kind of well tried to get on the path that seemed normal and seemed 222 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:18.559 like the average Jane or John and you just got married and tried to do 223 00:18:18.839 --> 00:18:25.519 what you thought everyone else wanted, and now you have people like yourself that's 224 00:18:25.519 --> 00:18:30.440 saying no, I'm not going to do that, because living a lie for 225 00:18:30.559 --> 00:18:37.799 God is should not be condoned either, correct. So this is a tough 226 00:18:37.839 --> 00:18:42.200 one. I will say that it is the belief of this program that being 227 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:48.319 transgender is not incompatible with Christianity or with your faith, and that will frustrate 228 00:18:48.359 --> 00:18:52.400 a lot of people listening right now. But in the bigger picture, I 229 00:18:52.480 --> 00:18:55.000 want you to see it this way. Now, there are many shades, 230 00:18:55.039 --> 00:19:03.720 and there are many different beliefs and cist gender and all these different new names 231 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:06.440 that are being thrown out at people, and there's a lot to them. 232 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:10.680 This is not a blanket for everything. But what this is is people is 233 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:15.160 an opportunity for people to think differently and think that if there is nothing else 234 00:19:15.200 --> 00:19:22.480 where you would condemn a child or an individual based on medically being born one 235 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:26.279 way, you wouldn't say somebody with a cleft palate shouldn't correct the cleft palate, 236 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:32.079 or shouldn't or somehow isn't going to get into heaven because of the cleft 237 00:19:32.119 --> 00:19:34.160 palate. That's not the way it works. Now you can go into debating, 238 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:40.960 and science is doing a wonderful job trying to dig in and to understand 239 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.319 all of this more and more as people are coming out and saying no, 240 00:19:45.599 --> 00:19:49.640 I've been living a lie and that's not okay. But the church doesn't know 241 00:19:49.720 --> 00:19:52.319 what to do with it right now, and I'm sorry for that. I 242 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:57.480 know that they need time to process all of this, and it doesn't It's 243 00:19:57.559 --> 00:20:03.720 not about a liberal mentality or watering down the church. It's not about that 244 00:20:03.839 --> 00:20:08.160 at all. This show is not about watering down the truth of the Gospel 245 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:15.000 or the truth of scripture. But it is about making people, especially the 246 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:18.480 church, look at themselves, at some of the things they've done in the 247 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:22.000 past and some of the things they continue to do, and ask themselves why 248 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:29.680 Because you have churches that have female pastors, you have churches that think, 249 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:33.200 oh, well, you can have a single pastor. Yet they'll use the 250 00:20:33.359 --> 00:20:40.400 same types of verses against transgender folks or gay folks and say well, you 251 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:41.880 can't be a part because X, Y, and Z. Yet they will 252 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:47.799 rewrite whatever they want because they're comfortable with it. The fact is, and 253 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:51.839 the church should be brave enough to say this that their biggest concern is the 254 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.079 ick factor. They think it's icky. They don't know how to just see 255 00:20:56.200 --> 00:21:03.000 two adults that are the same sex relationship or two adults that say I'm not 256 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:07.720 the right gender in my brain and in my body. And the world has 257 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:11.240 always been the same way. Renee, you've got you come out of your 258 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:15.920 mama. You're put there in front of a doctor and a team of nurses, 259 00:21:15.200 --> 00:21:18.680 and they go, they've got They've got an audi. It's a boy. 260 00:21:18.759 --> 00:21:23.319 They've got an any it's a girl. And that binary concept is all 261 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:27.359 this world has known for a long time. And people confuse the story of 262 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:34.119 Adam and Eve being the only standard because it was the necessary standard for for 263 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:42.440 procreation. But that doesn't mean the two people that can't pro create, meaning 264 00:21:42.759 --> 00:21:48.920 even if they are male female, are are not doing the will of God. 265 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:52.240 It's you know, there's a lot of a lot of areas in which 266 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:59.480 Christianity just runs from. And I am proud of you for one being honest 267 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:07.240 with yourself and for taking those steps to correct what you felt. Not God. 268 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:11.039 God didn't make a mistake, which is another thing the Church doesn't know 269 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:15.039 what to do with. But life has paths that it goes down to chemically 270 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:22.039 and structurally and biologically, and that aren't put necessarily on God, like the 271 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:26.119 cleft palate or these types of things, and correcting them is a noble thing 272 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:32.960 and not an ugly thing. But God bless you for saying, I will 273 00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:38.160 not live a lie and I will not refuse and reject my God. So 274 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:42.359 you gotta I'm sorry you have to wait for the church to catch up with 275 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:47.319 you. But it's struggling, and it's trying. It's trying to understand, 276 00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:52.319 and it's trying to figure out where it lands on all of this. And 277 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:56.839 I can promise you this, They will find the right path. They just 278 00:22:57.200 --> 00:23:03.039 are scrambling to understand. And the best way to do that is to be 279 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:07.319 honest. People like you. To be honest and to be willing to explain 280 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:14.119 and to teach and those that ask or have questions and not take offense to 281 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:18.519 it and allow people to learn during this process of change. Because you think 282 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:26.880 you said yourself it took twelve years of transition, right, Yeah, And 283 00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:34.240 I I started transitioning twelve years ago, right started normale treatments. Yeah, 284 00:23:34.480 --> 00:23:41.559 I'll tell you what I disclaimed from you More than anything one was my attitude 285 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:48.480 at the at the churches. I guess as a Christian person myself, that 286 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:55.359 helped me. I guess for any bitterness that I might have towards them, 287 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:00.319 you know, I guess the best teacher is to give you. God wants 288 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.680 just to love, to learn to love, and if I could learn to 289 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:08.599 love them back, I wish they would have loved me. They'll get there, 290 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:11.680 Yeah, I guess for me, that's my job, though, is 291 00:24:11.759 --> 00:24:17.839 to reach back in love and not hate and be mad at them. Well, 292 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:19.720 you think that the church, and everyone thinks this, the church has 293 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:25.240 the corner on all faith and the love of God, and that's not true. 294 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:29.519 It's just a building with people. It's people coming together and rejoicing in 295 00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:36.160 God. However, you as a believer, are just as accountable for teaching 296 00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:41.279 them and teaching others about your faith. So you have to love them the 297 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:45.400 same way you expect them to love you, even if they don't give you 298 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:52.200 that you do exactly because you are yourself that church, as every saint is. 299 00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:55.799 And I know this is a touchy subject and people want to run from 300 00:24:55.839 --> 00:25:00.759 it, and people in the church especially don't want to do that homework and 301 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:03.720 don't want to really dig deep to figure out how this all plays a part. 302 00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:14.559 They even psychological movements and definitions are scrambling to come up with better understanding. 303 00:25:15.160 --> 00:25:21.720 Science is scrambling come up with better understanding, and ultimately, people like 304 00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:26.119 yourself are saying, hey, regardless of science, regardless of any of these 305 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:27.440 things, I know what I know, and I know what I feel, 306 00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:32.839 and I know who I am, and I'm just asking to be able to 307 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:37.720 be respected as that individual. And I think that that is a right, 308 00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:41.799 especially here in the United States, that you have RENEE. And I'm sorry 309 00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:47.319 that you have to be so patient, but you took twelve years. You 310 00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:52.319 started your transitioning twelve years ago. Think about something that's been around for thousands 311 00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:56.839 of years that is dealing with this in a different way for the first time, 312 00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:02.079 and it's going to take some time for them to transition as well. 313 00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:07.000 And I hope that, I hope that you give the church that time to 314 00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:15.960 make their own transition and understanding in this very important matter and focus. And 315 00:26:15.880 --> 00:26:23.039 I get so disappointed in how the church has treated this particular community, whether 316 00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:29.039 it be the gay community, the transgender community, and how their ignorance has 317 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:33.880 made them even mean mean towards this community, rather than loving and trying to 318 00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:37.119 understand, even if they don't have all the answers in front of them right 319 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:44.720 now, to just find a place of lovingness and stop hiding behind. Oh 320 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:48.920 well, I love the sinner, but hate the sin business when they really 321 00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:52.559 just use it as an excuse not to know, not to learn, and 322 00:26:52.680 --> 00:27:00.480 not to understand. Dell, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Fellow, 323 00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.599 Hi, how can I help you? Del Oh? Wow, it's you 324 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:10.920 alrighty. I was a member of a Pentecostal holsation. I am Lutheran. 325 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:17.880 I have learned that Martin Luther taught that we are simultaneously saint and sinner. 326 00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:22.599 Uh huh. Obviously in my Pentecostal holiness world, I was taught we were 327 00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:33.799 sinners, but now we're saints. Which which one is right? Or are 328 00:27:33.880 --> 00:27:41.000 they both right? Or you know what? You're simultaneously simultaneously Satan sinner you 329 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.640 are. You are a saint by the grace of God and the death and 330 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:48.359 the Cross. You are a sinner by the nature of man. Okay, 331 00:27:48.559 --> 00:27:53.359 So does that mean that it's okay? Sin? And you know it's just 332 00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:56.480 all right, It will work out any ow no. And that's you know, 333 00:27:56.559 --> 00:28:00.279 that's actually talked about in Timothy. There's a concept of oh, well, 334 00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:03.720 you know what, I'm a sinner and it's already paid for, that 335 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:06.200 I might as well do it. But think about it this way, Dell. 336 00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:14.079 If you accidentally killed a man and you went to court and they found 337 00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:17.359 that it wasn't an accident, but it was. They just the evidence wasn't 338 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:19.519 there, and they said, you know what, in two weeks, we're 339 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:22.880 going to put you in jail for life. So you had two weeks to 340 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:26.720 roam free. Are you going to go around murdering a bunch of people just 341 00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.160 because well they already think you're a murderer and you've got the freedom to do 342 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.559 it. You're it's already been paid for. It's going to be exactly. 343 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:41.079 There's not going to change the amount of time or any of that. Well, 344 00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.200 let's say you are. That's a good point though, if you were 345 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:48.799 saved, that that the point is about the character of the individual. The 346 00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:52.759 character of the individual a true person who has saved, and that is seeking 347 00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:56.720 to do the will of God each day, to love God and and and 348 00:28:56.839 --> 00:29:02.440 stay by his commandments, and to focus on God's will is not looking for 349 00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:06.039 an excuse to sin, and you don't need one. You sin because you're 350 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:10.519 a sinner. That's just it's going to happen. It says in Scripture all 351 00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:15.680 men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, every single one 352 00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:19.759 of them. So that's the state in which you're in. Doesn't mean that 353 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:26.240 you have to continue to perpetuate it, because that stops being sin and becomes 354 00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:30.440 rebellion, a deeper form of sin, and rebellion's talked about a lot in 355 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:41.079 Scripture as being different or rooted differently. So again another analogy. If one 356 00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:42.640 of your children, you buy them a car and they crash the car, 357 00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:45.880 and you go, well, I love them, and you know what they 358 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:48.680 learned from their mistake. I'm going to pay for another car. And you 359 00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:52.359 get them another car and they crash that car. If they continue to do 360 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:55.599 this, that's not they don't love you. They don't love you, they 361 00:29:55.599 --> 00:29:59.160 don't care about you. They're taking your money, they're getting they're using the 362 00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:03.200 car, and they're doing what they want. And that attitude, the fruits 363 00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:07.279 of those attitudes de'll show others as well. And God knows your heart. 364 00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:11.720 So if you're only looking for an excuse or reason to sin, then your 365 00:30:12.039 --> 00:30:18.680 heart is not in the In this state of the redemption of the Cross. 366 00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:22.960 To begin with, you're kind of just doing your own thing. But if 367 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.720 you're constantly seeking to better yourself, you're you're what my producer Neil calls a 368 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.680 whip, a work in progress. That's normal. That's the way God works. 369 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:34.440 You're in that You're you're trying to get better each day, focusing on 370 00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:40.119 the things of God, purifying yourself through scripture and the blood on the cross, 371 00:30:40.400 --> 00:30:45.480 and focusing on God's will and not yours. And that's a process and 372 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.240 it takes time. But if you're going in the other direction, oh Heaven 373 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:53.160 help you, and remember, more importantly than all the ugliness in the world, 374 00:30:53.880 --> 00:31:00.359 these simple words, I Am with you always. KFI A M six 375 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:02.640 forty on demand