1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,960 Hi, This is Fredgreen of Golf Smarter with our spring back into golf season 2 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:10,679 with the late Tony Manzoni. This episode was the third time Tony returned to 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:15,679 our show. We're bringing back every conversation we had with Tony in order before 4 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:20,519 he passed away in twenty eighteen. To learn more about Tony and our tax 5 00:00:20,559 --> 00:00:25,000 deductible fund created in his memory to benefit the first t of Coachella Valley, 6 00:00:25,399 --> 00:00:30,359 please go to golfsmarter dot com slash Tony. Make sure to put Tony in 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,960 all lower case. There you'll find as much as we could find about Tony 8 00:00:35,039 --> 00:00:40,000 online and links to his book, The Lost Fundamental, One Simple Move Better 9 00:00:40,039 --> 00:00:45,359 Golf Forever. It's available on Amazon and paperback and the kindle format. His 10 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:50,479 DVD of the same name can now also be seen online through our private channel. 11 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,320 To gain access, please write to me directly via email Golf Smarter podcast 12 00:00:55,359 --> 00:01:00,280 at gmail dot com, or click on the Heyfred button at golf smarter dot 13 00:01:00,399 --> 00:01:04,280 com. Enjoy Golf Smarter number two hundred and ninety one, published on July 14 00:01:04,439 --> 00:01:11,760 twenty six, twenty eleven, One Simple Move Better Golf Forever with Tony Manzoni. 15 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:18,519 This is Golf Smarter, sharing tips and insights from golfers and golf professionals 16 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:22,560 to help lower your score. It's worked for your host, Fred Green. 17 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:27,519 Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast. Tony, Hey, Fred, how 18 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,840 are you. I am so glad to hear your voice once again. We 19 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:34,480 had such a great time when we came down to Palm Desert and spent that 20 00:01:34,519 --> 00:01:38,799 morning with you. Thank you so much. My buddy Neil and I came 21 00:01:38,879 --> 00:01:44,719 down to Palm Desert and played some golf. But before we even started our 22 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:49,280 golf, we got a chance about an hour hour and a half to give 23 00:01:49,959 --> 00:01:53,760 Neil a lesson Anil had never had. He's been playing golf most of his 24 00:01:53,799 --> 00:01:56,640 life, he's never had a lesson. This is the first time that he'd 25 00:01:56,680 --> 00:02:00,959 ever had a lesson and I was able to capture it on video with two 26 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:05,040 different cameras running at the same time. So I'm very excited to announce that 27 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:09,560 not only is this podcast now available, but a video of Neil's lesson given 28 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:14,759 by Tony Manzoni, the very first lesson on video by Tony Manzoni, has 29 00:02:14,759 --> 00:02:17,840 been posted to YouTube and the Golf Smarter TV channel. I'm so excited. 30 00:02:17,879 --> 00:02:22,800 Thank you, that was great fun I'll tell you that. And Neil responded, 31 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:25,479 I wish I could get everyone to do it that quickly. Was it 32 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:30,439 really was terrific. Yeah, And it was funny because all during the round 33 00:02:30,439 --> 00:02:34,639 of golf that we had that day in thirty five mile an hour wins, 34 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,439 he was like, you know, he was so focused on what he had 35 00:02:38,599 --> 00:02:43,080 learned from you that morning, and even after a round it that he didn't 36 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,919 say he said, just don't write down my score. I don't want to 37 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,199 know about score. I said, good for you, because you're working on 38 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:51,120 something. And then after the round of golf we went back to the driving 39 00:02:51,199 --> 00:02:53,560 range and he worked even harder on it. And one more thing, he 40 00:02:53,599 --> 00:02:58,039 had never gone to the driving range after a round of golf. Is there 41 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,120 a lot of value for golf for players because we always see the guys on 42 00:03:01,159 --> 00:03:04,919 the tour they go to the driving range after a round of golf. Is 43 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:07,039 that a good thing for us to do? Oh? Sure, because you 44 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:12,039 know, you have a real clear memory of what's just transpired on the golf 45 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:15,680 course and some of the things that didn't worked out, and that's where you 46 00:03:15,719 --> 00:03:17,919 work a lot. I mean, Ben Hogan was one of the first props 47 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,400 to do that when he gets through on the golf and shout an incredible score. 48 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,879 In most cases as fills out there practicing because he had a two iron 49 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:31,159 that he didn't like or so forth. So it's very beneficial for people to 50 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:37,639 do that at any level. Fabulous. Well, let's talk about congratulations. 51 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:44,639 Your book is now available and we have it on our website at golfsmarter dot 52 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,400 com and our golfers Mart. We're going to feature it in the golfers martin 53 00:03:46,439 --> 00:03:52,719 It's going to be highly visible. It's called The Loss Fundamental, One simple 54 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,800 Move, Better Golf Forever, and that really is your theory, huh. 55 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,919 It's if you understand the move, you can adjust it yourself and it's going 56 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,439 to change your game. Well, it's very simple. And when you purchase 57 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:10,479 the book, and I hope you will for a number of reasons, I 58 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:15,120 think you'll be amazed at the brevity of the book. And I did that 59 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:19,040 intentionally. I've only had one negative comment of all the people I've sent this 60 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:21,759 book to that I've sent it to a lot, one fellow that thought it 61 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:26,720 was more of a pamphlet, and it really isn't. But when I was 62 00:04:26,759 --> 00:04:30,319 writing the book, it was becoming a great American novel. And Paul Servante's, 63 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,759 who is very helpful in the writing of this book, helped me reduce 64 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,920 my thoughts to make them simple. And I can tell you that I've had 65 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:45,759 more people write me and say thank you for making this thing so simple, 66 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,920 because most golf books you start following this leap because they get it to such 67 00:04:49,439 --> 00:04:53,800 a detail. And I really believe that if you do certain things in the 68 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:58,560 golf swing, there's a domino effect that happens, and we don't have to 69 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,680 deal with those pieces. The cause of effects is everything. So if I 70 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,399 can set you up to the golf ball properly and you have finished in a 71 00:05:06,439 --> 00:05:12,040 position relative to the ball properly, a lot of things are going to occur. 72 00:05:12,079 --> 00:05:15,439 And that's what I find is happening well. And it's not just that 73 00:05:15,519 --> 00:05:18,720 the book is brief, but the descriptions are fairly brief. I mean you 74 00:05:18,759 --> 00:05:24,879 can go through two pages and get two or three descriptions of what you're trying 75 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:30,839 to explain, which again I think is incredibly helpful. Well, that was 76 00:05:30,879 --> 00:05:32,600 my intention is to say it, say it again, and then say it 77 00:05:32,639 --> 00:05:39,120 again, because really there's just a few core moves that you have to learn, 78 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:43,800 and gosh, it's like America. And you could see what happened with 79 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,959 Neil. I mean, he had some tremendous shots and no sides then with 80 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:53,240 great trajectory after just a few minutes of do this, do that, and 81 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:56,680 he got right into it. Well he did, and when he made a 82 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,600 shot when we were playing together, he knew what he did right and what 83 00:06:00,639 --> 00:06:04,800 he did wrong after each shot. It was really fascinating because I've seen people 84 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:09,040 who had taken lessons and were working on so many things at once, but 85 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,680 it just seems so simple to him, so clear that with every shot that 86 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,639 he took, he got it and he knew. Yeah, as I told 87 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:20,879 him, you can either be a disconnector and rotate the arms, or you 88 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:26,800 could be connected and rotate the body. And and and actually, when you 89 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,639 pull the arms down in the downswing and detach them from the body, that's 90 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:36,920 when thin fat shots occur because it holds you behind the ball. So you 91 00:06:36,959 --> 00:06:42,879 can you can play the game of golf and not blame your swing so much 92 00:06:43,319 --> 00:06:47,000 as just one action that you that you're that you're doing that you need to 93 00:06:47,079 --> 00:06:50,199 not do, and that would be the stay connected and not drop the arm. 94 00:06:50,959 --> 00:06:55,120 You know, we all played golf. For those of us that have 95 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,759 played golf a long time, we were taught to do that. Pull the 96 00:06:57,879 --> 00:07:00,399 arm down, pull down on the ball, hit down on them, all 97 00:07:00,439 --> 00:07:03,040 those phrases. And what it does is it just gets one part working, 98 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:08,439 that's arms and hands, where the body just stalls out. So we're losing 99 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,000 all the power of the core. And I wish I had just discovered this 100 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,720 a little bit earlier in my life than now, but it's improved my game 101 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:18,079 dramatically. I'm hitting the most so much farther than I have in say, 102 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:24,240 thirty years, and I find that with all my students, that's really unbelievable 103 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:29,480 that you're getting more distance. Neil definitely was getting more distance, although I 104 00:07:30,279 --> 00:07:31,680 don't know why, but I was still out driving him that day and he 105 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,439 goes, well, how come you're outdriving me? I said, because I'm 106 00:07:34,439 --> 00:07:43,000 older than you. It's like, wait a minute, so let's go over 107 00:07:43,079 --> 00:07:46,839 this. Also, let me just say the other part about the book that 108 00:07:46,839 --> 00:07:48,680 I found so much fun. First of all, there's photographs, so you 109 00:07:48,839 --> 00:07:53,920 have a really clear description of exactly what you're talking about. But then at 110 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,920 the end you have stories of people that you've come across and people you've met 111 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:03,160 and dedicated the book to. So really the book flies right by. It's 112 00:08:03,759 --> 00:08:07,240 really really helpful, and that's one of the things that I think that people 113 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:11,560 should be checking this book out. It's it's a worthwhile. It's not an 114 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:16,800 investment, but it's definitely worth coming to golf Smarter dot com and checking out 115 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:20,720 The Lost Fundamental by Tony Manzoni. It's a really helpful book. And there 116 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,639 have been a lot of a lot of Golf Smarter listeners who have been in 117 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,199 touch with you, haven't they. Oh? Absolutely, I've had a tremendous 118 00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:33,200 amount that I that I talked with via email or that have come down physically 119 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:35,639 and taken a golf lesson from me. We had a we had a golf 120 00:08:35,639 --> 00:08:39,960 school called the Single Pivot Golf School, and we did five schools and they 121 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:46,639 were really really well received. But I continually get male for folks that have 122 00:08:46,279 --> 00:08:52,919 heard about the golf Golf Smarter, I had no idea that you had such 123 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:56,080 a such an audience. It's incredible. Well, it's an active group and 124 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:00,879 they're passionate about their golf, and that's why I think that they reached out 125 00:09:00,919 --> 00:09:05,480 to you because you you're pretty clear on what you're talking about, and it's 126 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:09,919 not too convoluted. There's not a lot going on at once, I hope. 127 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:13,799 So because that's you know, that's my intention, I was like a 128 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:20,080 lot of instructors for years, just kind of pontificating all this golf dogma, 129 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,759 and you know, you can see the people's eyes just glaze over, and 130 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:26,679 no one was going to say. No one was going to tell you, 131 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:30,440 gee, I don't know what you mean. They're just going to let it 132 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,960 go over their head and then you'll never see them again. So I realized 133 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:37,679 early on in my golf teaching that there had to be a better way than 134 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,480 this. And then, luckily for me, I started looking at Ben Hogan 135 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,159 and reading everything I could about the man, and that's how I formed this 136 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:52,080 method because it really is borne out of that period of time. I'll tell 137 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:56,960 you it's interesting because when I'm when I'm directing a video shoot, or when 138 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,919 I'm doing the shoot, when I'm the camera person or have multiple cameras going, 139 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,639 anything like that, and that's pretty much what my career has been, 140 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:07,960 is a recording engineer, both video and audio. It's very hard for me 141 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:13,480 to concentrate on the content while I'm doing it, so when I'm recording somebody 142 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,000 else, I'll miss a lot of what the conversation is because I'm watching the 143 00:10:16,159 --> 00:10:20,080 dials and knobs and everything to make sure that the production value is right. 144 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,799 I can't believe that I, as far as I know, I only took 145 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:31,519 away from Nil's lesson. I took away two major points that when we played 146 00:10:31,519 --> 00:10:37,360 golf that weekend. We played two rounds after that on one day right after 147 00:10:37,399 --> 00:10:43,799 the next, how much straighter the ball was the ballflight was for me, 148 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,519 I generally have a slight fade to the ball. I was hitting the ball 149 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,080 much straighter because of two things that I picked up from the lesson. One 150 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:56,399 is on my backswing. As much as I try to keep my lower body 151 00:10:56,519 --> 00:11:03,399 quiet, I still have a tendency to have my knee bend in pointing across 152 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:09,039 my body. But what I got from you was keeping the left knee pointed 153 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:13,320 straight, straight ahead, and that's correct, that's correct. That was huge 154 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:20,679 for me. Yeah, it stabilizes the stance and it allows you not to 155 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,799 put weight on the right side, which where we really don't want to do. 156 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:26,799 We want to stay on the front side weight wise. In fact, 157 00:11:28,639 --> 00:11:31,919 when we set to the ball, we brace left and then as we coil 158 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:37,679 the body display displace the weight backwards via the right show right hip. We 159 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:41,279 actually put more weight against the brace and steep in the brace of the right 160 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,759 leg, and that makes the right leg really light. All you have to 161 00:11:45,759 --> 00:11:48,120 do from that point there, because you're at impact already. From there, 162 00:11:48,159 --> 00:11:52,879 you just rotate your upper body. The legs stay because they're underneath you, 163 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:54,519 they stay right with you, and it's just so much simpler to get to 164 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,600 the left side totally to the left side where your chest is really left. 165 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:03,600 With the time when you're moving side to side, it's really hard to get 166 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:16,679 to that point for anybody. Really unbelievable. Now you talked about Hogan shooting 167 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,120 into the fifties, you actually have shot in You were telling me this one 168 00:12:20,159 --> 00:12:24,320 story. I'm still trying to get the full grasp of this. What's your 169 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:31,679 lowest? Round sixty one? And it was on a funny day because the 170 00:12:31,799 --> 00:12:37,080 day before the club announced to me that they wanted to put some kind of 171 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,080 a biography of myself and my past in the paper, and they were hiring 172 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,879 me as the head professional. This is going to be my first job as 173 00:12:43,919 --> 00:12:48,759 a head professional. I had a big party the night before and a lot 174 00:12:48,799 --> 00:12:52,200 of paths on the back, and the next morning the manager told me, 175 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,360 well, wait a minute, now, we spoke a little too soon. 176 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:58,639 We have to talk to one more applicant. And as it turned out, 177 00:12:58,759 --> 00:13:01,960 they chose the applicant. Why did he shoot a sixty? No, he 178 00:13:03,159 --> 00:13:05,639 just had more experience. But not only didn't I get the job, but 179 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:09,279 they announced to me that he was bringing his own staff and so I was 180 00:13:09,279 --> 00:13:11,159 going to be out of a job in thirty days. So a couple of 181 00:13:11,159 --> 00:13:15,440 them, yeah, I know, it's really I can remember it. A 182 00:13:15,519 --> 00:13:16,720 couple of members says, come on, bro let's go out. Let's go 183 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:20,120 play. So we played the golf course and it was kind of a blur 184 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,480 to me. And when I put it out on the last hole, he 185 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:24,080 said, you know, you just broke then Cherry's record he shot sixty one. 186 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,000 Well, first of all, we mentioned in the same you know category 187 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,639 with Kenney and Urry. You know, I should have been fallen to my 188 00:13:31,799 --> 00:13:35,720 knees and thank god, but just like all golfers, the first thing that 189 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:39,240 eaked out of my pea brain was gee and I didn't burn you a par 190 00:13:39,399 --> 00:13:43,679 five, which I had. But you know that was my next question. 191 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:48,159 You really were? I were satisfied? Is that really true that you were? 192 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,399 You like that? Oh there was one hole I should have had. 193 00:13:52,639 --> 00:13:54,559 I should have would have could have? Right, Yeah, we all we 194 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,600 all do that. I say that to my golf team all the time. 195 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:01,639 You know, no matter what we do out there, we always we always 196 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,279 come back with I could have done this. You know, sometimes we're not 197 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:07,840 really thankful for the blessings we get one of the cups of call. Did 198 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:11,799 you really not realize how you were shooting during the round? I had no 199 00:14:11,879 --> 00:14:16,679 idea. In fact, to this day, I have very little memory of 200 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,759 it. I was in such a funk about not only getting losing my job 201 00:14:20,799 --> 00:14:24,080 and everything, but the night before, you know, I had all these 202 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,159 close friends patting me on the back, tell me a great job and all 203 00:14:28,159 --> 00:14:30,480 these things. Now I had to go back and tell them, hey, 204 00:14:30,519 --> 00:14:33,120 I'm not working at Alim Day anymore. You know, this is going to 205 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:39,120 be the shortest job career of all time. So you know it really, 206 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:41,799 I mean now I look back at it and I laugh about it, But 207 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:43,000 then it was it was pretty serious stuff. Wait, now, I got 208 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,519 to get the time frame correct. Here you had the big party, and 209 00:14:46,559 --> 00:14:50,639 the next day you went out and shot at sixty one. Well, yeah, 210 00:14:50,679 --> 00:14:52,879 the next day, I you know, the next day, I couldn't 211 00:14:52,879 --> 00:14:56,159 wait to get to the course. I had all these ideas I was going 212 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,080 to do. You know, we just had a shell of the previous protest 213 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,399 everything that it almost took the paint off the walls. But I had an 214 00:15:01,399 --> 00:15:05,159 idea all the things I was going to do. And then I was put 215 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,559 on hold until the afternoon. They said, don't worry, We've got one 216 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:11,799 more African, No big deal. And of course when the manager came in 217 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,159 about one o'clock in the afternoon, his face was white because I knew, 218 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,240 and he couldn't even look at me. And when he announced to me that 219 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:22,679 not only didn't I have jobs. So the celebration was not about shooting sixty 220 00:15:22,679 --> 00:15:26,759 one. The celebration was because you had you had gotten your first head pro 221 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:30,159 job. That's correct, that's correct, And you went out and tried to 222 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:35,879 sixty one after all that celebrating, and it was a competitive round, No, 223 00:15:35,039 --> 00:15:37,919 it was just around a couple of members just felt so bad for me. 224 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:39,879 Okay, they says, come on, pro, let's go out and 225 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:43,919 play. Because they heard they heard what had happened. You know, a 226 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,159 lot of people at the club had said, great job, We're really happy 227 00:15:46,159 --> 00:15:50,279 to have you as our new probe. But the management company, which all 228 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,440 in the golf course, had made the decision to hire this fellow that had 229 00:15:54,519 --> 00:15:58,600 more experience. And I understood that, but it's still it was like a 230 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,399 kick on and growing. I can tell you that. So when I went 231 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:04,440 out to play, and that was on my mind, Uh, what am 232 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,919 I going to say? Holly, what am I going? Where am I 233 00:16:07,919 --> 00:16:10,159 going to get a job? All these things. So I was kind of 234 00:16:10,159 --> 00:16:14,519 playing from my subconscious, which is what we really need to do obviously, 235 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:18,240 And as a turnout, I shot a great score and I think that I'm 236 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:23,200 pretty sure that record is still in place at the Almaden Almaden Country Club? 237 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:29,279 Is that what it is? So you you don't remember the round? I 238 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:33,320 mean, you can't tell me, do you know how many pars that you 239 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,240 had in that round? Or I wouldn't. I All I know is I 240 00:16:37,759 --> 00:16:41,240 was aware that I had not birdie the par five. That's the only thing 241 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:45,559 I was aware about. But you know, I mean obviously made a lot 242 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,159 of birdies show. Yeah, I don't believe I made any bogies. I 243 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:56,159 think I hold out from the fairway ones for two of part four. One 244 00:16:56,200 --> 00:16:59,279 eagle you think you had one eagle, right, yeah, and the rest 245 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:00,039 of us, Yeah, there was. It was birdies, I think. 246 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:04,720 And really I'd love to be able to say, well, I had ten 247 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:10,960 birdies, but I don't remember it because it was It wasn't in my mind 248 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:12,319 or in my heart. While I was doing this, I was just thinking 249 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:17,039 of how embarrassed I felt and how I was going to tell all my friends, 250 00:17:17,079 --> 00:17:19,240 Well, I spoke too soon, and I really hadn't spoke too soon. 251 00:17:19,279 --> 00:17:23,680 I was told, you got the job, okay, but you know, 252 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:29,000 it was just an awkward position to be in. And then of course 253 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:33,000 now I'm out of a job in thirty days. I'm a young guy, 254 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:36,359 and he said, be able to go out and have fun time and play 255 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,200 golf and do that. And now I'm panicking to you, I don't have 256 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:45,200 a job. So it was just a strange set of circumstances that created this 257 00:17:45,759 --> 00:17:52,119 marvels round of golf. I can't say that I was practicing really hard before 258 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,440 an event, and I went and did this. Although I played all this, 259 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:57,759 you know, as an assistant pro, I played almost all the time, 260 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,440 so and that was home course. But sixty one and sixty one, 261 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:03,640 I don't care. If you're playing minis your golf. That's a good one. 262 00:18:04,839 --> 00:18:11,880 So there's got to be a lesson in there somehow somewhere about not paying 263 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,519 attention to your score. Oh, there's no two ways about it. I 264 00:18:15,519 --> 00:18:18,799 mean, I'm sure the listening audience will be nodding their head. We sometimes 265 00:18:18,839 --> 00:18:22,240 you don't feel real good, or maybe you've been all a little late and 266 00:18:22,319 --> 00:18:25,680 had a few too many cocktails, and the next day you go out and 267 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:29,559 shoot a great round. And I think it's because we're not so conscious of 268 00:18:29,599 --> 00:18:33,079 what we're doing or trying to do anything. We're just go ahead and swinging 269 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:37,039 and getting it out of the way of ourselves. And I think the touring 270 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:40,599 pros have a way to do that where they let the subconscious take over. 271 00:18:41,319 --> 00:18:45,000 Anytime you do anything consciously, I think you get a little bit awkward. 272 00:18:45,839 --> 00:18:48,960 And so when we're learning how to play golf, we've got to do the 273 00:18:48,039 --> 00:18:52,759 learning of it on the driving range, and then we've got to trust the 274 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:55,000 fact that we know what we're doing and go out of the golf course and 275 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:59,599 just get target oriented and let it go. And that's easier said than done, 276 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,799 of course. Of course, you know, I have a friend John 277 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:07,680 Leland, who writes a blog called Joy of Golfing Joy of Golfing dot com. 278 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:12,480 Not breaking eighty with joy and learning. He's he's never had the ability, 279 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:17,640 He's never broken eighty in any of his rounds, and just recently he 280 00:19:17,839 --> 00:19:22,799 had the round the front nine of his life, and he got he took 281 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:26,599 a peek at a scorecard and started figuring out what he needed to do just 282 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,200 to say consistent with this and how he can do it. You know, 283 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,759 I think he shot a thirty eight or thirty nine on the front so he's 284 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:36,960 like, this is it, this is the round I'm gonna do it. 285 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,240 And of course he shot in eighty three, which is probably one of his 286 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:44,160 better rounds ever. But still once he started figuring out what he needed to 287 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,640 get, the pressure was on and just no way it's going to happen. 288 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:51,519 Sure, Well, you know, there's something so much written by someone in 289 00:19:51,559 --> 00:19:56,039 the psychologist These people that feel they have to, you know, be happy 290 00:19:56,079 --> 00:20:00,200 when you know there was one briller I can't recall his name, but is 291 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,160 Guruz told him to have a smile on his face no matter what happened. 292 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,880 Well, near the end of the round he looked like a lunatic. I 293 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:12,000 mean, this big grin that didn't relate to anything. And he did play 294 00:20:12,039 --> 00:20:15,599 pretty well, but then the next week when he tried it, it didn't 295 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:21,559 work at all. And you know, those kinds of cliched things never work. 296 00:20:22,279 --> 00:20:26,559 It's not that and it's not that kind of a button because again, 297 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:30,599 that's a conscious thought to do something. It's just a feeling. It's like 298 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,200 putting, you know. I tell my students, if you don't feel like 299 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,359 you're going to make the putt, you can have the pure stroke of the 300 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,119 world that's not going in. And if you feel like you're going to make 301 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:41,400 the putt, you're not so consumed, well take it back straight or do 302 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:45,519 this or do that. You just roll the ball like you did when you 303 00:20:45,519 --> 00:20:48,640 were a kid and didn't understand put the putting. You just had a stick 304 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,160 and a ball and you hit the ball. There's a lot to that, 305 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:56,640 but it's so hard. Once you get some information, it's so hard to 306 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,119 digest it and not keep regurgitating it mentally, and that's what we all do. 307 00:21:00,519 --> 00:21:04,599 And that's kind of why I like what I by the method I've gone 308 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,799 because it's pretty simple stuff. It's not a lot of the how to do 309 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:12,079 things, and and that's I think that's the hard part about this game, 310 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:22,319 is letting go and trusting. So the last couple of minutes we have available, 311 00:21:22,319 --> 00:21:25,519 and actually there's more than a couple of minutes, but I wanted I 312 00:21:25,559 --> 00:21:30,759 want to really dig into into your your theory and lost fundamental here and why 313 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:37,519 it works versus what all the other instructors are pounding on us on TV and 314 00:21:37,519 --> 00:21:41,920 in print and our videos and everything else. You seem to think that this 315 00:21:42,079 --> 00:21:48,519 is the kind of fundamental that once you understand it, you can correct yourself 316 00:21:48,559 --> 00:21:53,039 and you don't need to work with a pro all the time. In a 317 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:59,039 simplest form, we're playing off of one axis and we're connecting the arms to 318 00:21:59,079 --> 00:22:03,240 the body and wording around that axis. That's primarily what we're doing, instead 319 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,920 of shifting the way to the right leg and then back to the left leg, 320 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,880 which is you know has been preached in the last few years, but 321 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:15,799 many many years ago it wasn't preached because if you look at Jack Nicholas, 322 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,559 if you look at Arnold Palmer, if you look at Ben Holden. Those 323 00:22:18,559 --> 00:22:22,079 are all great players. And they did not move to the right. They 324 00:22:22,079 --> 00:22:25,400 ain't thought they were, but they were all rotating. They're all in that 325 00:22:25,519 --> 00:22:30,119 barrel. Okay. So if we eliminate that compensational move that we have to 326 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,000 make from the right side back to the left, okay. And if we 327 00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:38,200 brace up against impact and merely coil from that point, if the left arm 328 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,400 stay is connected to the body and we uncoil, the club's got to come 329 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:47,640 back to the starting position time and time and time again, opposed to throwing 330 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,240 the club off of your body with your arms. And because the head of 331 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,119 the club is here than the handle the club that is going to rotate. 332 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,359 So the club is going to be either open or closed most of the time. 333 00:22:57,759 --> 00:23:02,359 And therein lies the big problem. So you take that, and then 334 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:06,839 that transitional move of shifting the weight from almost all on the right side to 335 00:23:06,839 --> 00:23:08,480 almost all the left side, my gosh, you know, that's just too 336 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:14,400 much to do in a middlesecond. And that's why most people they will he 337 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,880 know, if we have a driving range at the college and you watch most 338 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,680 people they're on the right side where they hit the ball. They're just hanging 339 00:23:19,759 --> 00:23:23,759 back as most people do. And someone will say, we'll shift your weight. 340 00:23:23,799 --> 00:23:26,880 Well, that's the problem. They shifted their way to the right side, 341 00:23:27,079 --> 00:23:30,759 and that is why they can't get off. You know, unless you 342 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,240 NeuRA or somebody like that, a young guy that has total control of their 343 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,359 body, you're going to be hanging back, and so you never hit it 344 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,599 with your core. You never get the power that's within you. That's the 345 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,079 thing that happens immediately when I start teaching people. They hit the ball higher 346 00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:48,720 and farther and with no side spin, and they look at me like, 347 00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:52,640 why hasn't someone told me this. We'll spit out there for a long time. 348 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:59,960 It just hasn't been articulated in a simple form. I also found myself 349 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:06,599 after Nil's lesson that I was in a much more balanced position at finish then, 350 00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:10,759 especially with my driver, because usually, for some reason, why would 351 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:14,119 we do this When I have my driver in my hand, I swing harder, 352 00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:18,319 not faster. I swing harder, and after the swing I am off 353 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,240 balance and falling away from the scene when the arms go first. When the 354 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:27,839 arms go first, the body goes back that's why in one era, you 355 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,480 know, your head moved away from the target on the dollar swing and you 356 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:36,880 ended up in the seat position. But with the rotary swing, everything's moving 357 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,000 through the ball. Looked at Anakasar and said it was one of the greatest 358 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,799 ball strikers I think of all time. Everyone says she looked like she was 359 00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:47,119 looking at the target when she hit the ball. That's exactly what she was 360 00:24:47,279 --> 00:24:49,839 rotating towards the target, so she wasn't working underneath, she was working the 361 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:55,079 level through the ball. You get tremendous power this way, and on top 362 00:24:55,079 --> 00:25:00,000 of it, you get accuracy because the left arms out rotating it stated it's 363 00:25:00,039 --> 00:25:03,839 yes, it is the chest the chess turns open, the club hit hits 364 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:06,440 the ball. You know, the feeling is a lot like how a hockey 365 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:11,160 player hits the puck with a stick. It's that same rotational motion and that's 366 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,400 why hockey players, most of them, are pretty good golfers. The other 367 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,400 thing that Neil was very impressed with, well, I think it was almost 368 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,599 an epiphany is the point that you were making to him about the fact that 369 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:29,720 hitting the ball, making contact with the ball is not the end of the 370 00:25:29,759 --> 00:25:33,960 swing. No, absolutely that's the middle of the swing. The ball is 371 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,759 a point of reference to align the club too, but it cannot be a 372 00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:38,720 target if you're focusing on the back of the ball. Hitting in the back 373 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,759 of the ball, all you're going to decelerate the club. We all accelerate 374 00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:45,920 to some form. Everyone does, the best player in the world. But 375 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,160 you're going to really decelerate. You're going to chet the thing down and your 376 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,279 body's going to stop. What we want to do is we want to rotate 377 00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:55,319 past the dollf ball. And the last thing that hits that dollf ball is 378 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,680 that club hit. So you're moving through it as you hit it. Now 379 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,880 you hitting it with your core, and you're going to get You get totally 380 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,559 on the left side, you know, And like concept, you're sixty forty 381 00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:08,240 to start seventy thirty at the top, but you still got to get to 382 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:14,440 nine plus. You still got to get against that left side prior to hitting 383 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,599 the golf ball, not after hitting the golf ball, prior to hitting it. 384 00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:22,720 So by getting closer to that number, that ninety number, by because 385 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,000 you're in the seventies, you get against that left side and through it quicker. 386 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:30,960 The center of gravity of the body of every human being is a couple 387 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,279 of inches below the navel. The closer that center of gravity is to the 388 00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:38,319 pivot leg, which is the left leg, the faster you pivot. That's 389 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:44,880 just that's science. That's not me. Okay. So Ben Holgan is great 390 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,440 players, whether they felt it or what, but they knew when they were 391 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:52,160 against that left side earlier they could hit the ball quicker, faster and straighter. 392 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:57,720 And that's what this is about. It's just it's almost bath and it's 393 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,960 simplicity. It helps people that aren't don't have a great by hand coordination hit 394 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:08,720 this golf ball and put some compression against it. And that's what that's what 395 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,720 that's what this is all about. You can also hear it. Once you've 396 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,319 made contact with the ball and you've hit it properly, you can definitely hit 397 00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:19,000 the ball div it. You know you're not hitting divot ball. You know 398 00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:22,160 when you put the club behind the ball is I said to you and Nail, 399 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,720 if I were to bring the club right straight back to this in motion, 400 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,759 I would hit the divot and then I hit the ball. So we've 401 00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:32,400 got to be We've got to move a little forward so that we can hit 402 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,160 the ball, the dolls, and then the divot, so there is a 403 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,480 forwardness in the motion on the dolls. You say, if you stayed behind 404 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:41,839 the ball, like we've all been told, and then hit behind the ball, 405 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:45,480 because that's that's where the bottom of the swing is, So you've got 406 00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,839 to move that bottom a little forward. Uh. No matter if you shift 407 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:51,920 to the right or the left, you got to end up against the left 408 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,359 when you hit it. So this I think a lot a lot of the 409 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,519 great left side players realize that if I stayed, if they stayed against the 410 00:27:59,559 --> 00:28:03,759 left and boil their body and then uncoil it, they can make contact more 411 00:28:03,839 --> 00:28:08,680 consistently. And I think that's what I see and what I hear when I'm 412 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:17,279 giving the lesson. I could hear Ball do it. And also I need 413 00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:18,720 to get this clarified because it was a point that you're making when you were 414 00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:25,400 speaking with Neil about having your for a right handed golfer, your right shoulder 415 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,400 pointing down the line towards your target when you're finished with your swing. And 416 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,000 yet I've heard so many people talking about having your belt buckle pointing at the 417 00:28:34,079 --> 00:28:41,240 target. Well, look, we're unlignding our core through impact. And you 418 00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:45,920 could watch anybody into it, especially the ladies because they're more flexible than the 419 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,680 men. But everybody's chest is left of the target, and you want to 420 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,799 turn as far left of the tarnet with your chest. As long as your 421 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:57,400 left firm is connected, it'll be coming behind that movement. You want to 422 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,000 turn as far left as you can and Bactually, when you coil one way, 423 00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:03,599 you get your back to the tarnt. When we go through the ball, 424 00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:07,640 we want to get our chest left of the target with the right shoulder 425 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:11,039 pointing at the turret. And it doesn't hurt the back to do this, 426 00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,319 because that's how we're built. It's when you drop those shoulders down, okay, 427 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:18,559 and you and the left shoulder goes up and the right shoulder goes down 428 00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:23,440 differently at address. Now you're going to be tweaking your back. I don't 429 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:27,279 believe in tilting the shoulders at all, and the and the dolsay because I 430 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:32,039 think he rich your back. And not only that, but the width of 431 00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:37,000 your swing gets narrower and the wider the path the farther they hit. So 432 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:41,480 when we're rotating a little bit more level, then the arms follow the body 433 00:29:41,519 --> 00:29:45,559 around and you end up around the body instead of in front of the body. 434 00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:48,640 You know, when I first learned to play golf, we finished real 435 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,119 high with the hands. Not anymore. And you don't see anybody finishing high 436 00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:56,839 with the hands or most of not very many if they do at all. 437 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,680 And we should also, you know, established some credibility here beyond your sixty 438 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,279 one and all the work that you've done. You're the coach of the College 439 00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:11,839 of the Desert golf team. And you were telling me about the dynasty that 440 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:18,640 you have with that program. What is it? The program has won the 441 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:23,759 regionals? How many years in rowow twenty three years straight? And keep it 442 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,880 And remember this is a two year school, so we've got a new golf 443 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:33,160 team every two years. So we're doing something pretty good now. And you've 444 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,759 been with the program for eighteen years. I've been teaching the golf team for 445 00:30:37,839 --> 00:30:42,200 eighteen years, been with the college twenty five. So for my eighteen years, 446 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:48,480 I won three state championships, eighteen conference championships, and numerous regional championships. 447 00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:52,279 And it's not just me, obviously, you know, we have great 448 00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:56,799 weather here, great golf courses. I guess some good players, but I 449 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:00,480 think that I'm good at mentoring. I'm good at making heels coffeable with themselves 450 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,240 on the golf course. And that leads us right back to want to wrap 451 00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:08,000 this up and let people know once again, go to golf smarter dot com 452 00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:12,039 and please purchase Tony's book for a number of reasons. One, it's going 453 00:31:12,119 --> 00:31:15,519 to improve your golf game, you know. Number one, it's going to 454 00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:18,839 improve your game. Also, this is self published by Tony. He's doing 455 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,480 this on his own. That's why we don't have it on Amazon. That's 456 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:27,480 why it's not inaudible, but it is right through Tony himself. The book 457 00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:32,640 is twenty dollars and it's four ninety five for shipping within the United States. 458 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,680 Outside the United States, it's going to be a little more for shipping. 459 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:41,720 But it is so simple, so clean, and so helpful, so clear, 460 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,000 so concise. It's called The Lost Fundamental, One Simple Move Better Golf 461 00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:51,839 Forever by Tony Manzoni with Paul Servantes. Tony, as always, I really 462 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,839 enjoy having you come on to golf Smarter. Thank you so much for sharing 463 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,960 all your information with us. Well, I thank you to you your programage. 464 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,519 It's fantastic and what a wonderful thing for people to be able to download 465 00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,559 crazy people like myself and other people and get some golf information and have some 466 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,599 fun on this wonderful sport. Well, you know, these crazy people, 467 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,200 we flock together. That's right. Now, take care of yourself.