1 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:21,440 Hello, and welcome to side Quest. This is our weekly and you're gonna 2 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,079 show here at geek First and I'm your host, Till Muss and I have 3 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:28,039 it with me the clown Prince of Shakuff's Travis Snell. How are you doing, 4 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,519 my friend, I'm doing good. I'm excited. We got a good 5 00:00:31,559 --> 00:00:33,560 couple of weeks coming up. I know on side Quest we've got a big 6 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,479 episode. I'm sure you'll t so that's gonna be tons of fun comic cons 7 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,799 upon I said, Pool Wolverine. So it's like a lot of cool things 8 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,560 happening for the next two weeks. It's a it's a fun time. So 9 00:00:43,799 --> 00:00:47,079 uh yeah, I'm glad to be back going after my three to four week 10 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,920 like in a row, took two weeks off, but now I'm back. 11 00:00:50,000 --> 00:00:53,920 So now you're all well rested in talk. Yeah, exactly was your was 12 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,679 that your nickname already or did you pick that based off the title? Now 13 00:00:56,759 --> 00:00:58,960 all the title because I had nothing, So that's all credit to you. 14 00:00:59,039 --> 00:01:00,640 That's good because I was like, I didn't because I'm like, I'm sure 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:04,359 I've done Sony before. I didn't have anything clever for Xbox and like I 16 00:01:04,359 --> 00:01:07,480 see that I'll do that, you know. So yeah, I feel like 17 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:10,560 I can kind of get away with it. On Psyequist, I just say 18 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,359 I'm the host and I kind of don't worry about it. That is your 19 00:01:12,359 --> 00:01:15,400 title. But yeah, as you mentioned, next week should be a fun 20 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,480 episode. So next week is the release of Deadpool and Wolverine, and so 21 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,200 in honor of that, we are gonna be doing as we've done many times 22 00:01:23,239 --> 00:01:26,239 before, We're gonna make a multi versus smash pros type roster. For if 23 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:32,400 Disney has just an umbrella company was to make a platform fire a fighting game 24 00:01:32,519 --> 00:01:34,640 like that, what would the roster look like? So that should be very 25 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,439 spicy because that has Marvel characters, that has Star Wars, that has Pixar, 26 00:01:38,519 --> 00:01:41,640 that has all sorts of other random properties that Disney owned. When you 27 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,079 look through the lists, Travis, I don't know if you started getting ready, 28 00:01:44,239 --> 00:01:47,200 but if you just look at the ip that Disney owns, it's like, 29 00:01:47,239 --> 00:01:49,239 wow, they own all sorts of random things that you don't think about 30 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,799 on the dad to day. So I know, just because he's gonna try 31 00:01:52,799 --> 00:01:57,760 and shut it out, are we including the Fox brought properties as well? 32 00:01:57,799 --> 00:02:00,519 Because I don't see why not right, it's there. Hey, they own 33 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,439 it, come up from some guys. That's it's good to talk about that. 34 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,680 So, you know what, I wouldn't be mad about. Imagine a 35 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:08,599 fighting game we have Mickey Mousko against the Predator. That would see a lot 36 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,719 of stuff. I mean, compared to any other of these lists that we've 37 00:02:10,719 --> 00:02:14,719 done before, this one's gonna be the hardest to like stick to a for 38 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,639 it just because of the monster potential of like Marvel alone, we could do 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,800 that, and we have done that. I mean you and did like the 40 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:23,439 X Men Legends roster, and that alone was like a juicy roster of characters 41 00:02:23,479 --> 00:02:27,240 that would work. So it X Men, you kind of have your Okay, 42 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,960 these have to be in here. I feel like with each brand you 43 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,000 probably have two to three characters like, oh, that's a half, but 44 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,840 then a lot are very close, you know, very close. You know 45 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,719 I've won that I'm gonna be fighting for. I don't want to say because 46 00:02:37,719 --> 00:02:38,479 I don't think it's a top tier one, but I think it is, 47 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:42,319 so I'm excited to do that. It's gonna be a good time for Comic 48 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:44,439 Con and Deadpool come up. See if they even make the list. You 49 00:02:44,479 --> 00:02:47,520 know because they're newly Disney and I don't know, so yeah, and then 50 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,680 one other is not really announcement, but you might get a bonus episode this 51 00:02:51,759 --> 00:02:54,560 week. My my friend is releasing his game this week on Team This game 52 00:02:54,599 --> 00:02:58,719 called Siege Breaker. It's been in early access for a few months, but 53 00:02:58,759 --> 00:03:01,240 it's I believe, going one point zero this week, which is pretty exciting. 54 00:03:01,319 --> 00:03:04,960 So I was gonna ask him see if he wants to do a little 55 00:03:05,039 --> 00:03:07,680 discussion hop on the podcast and just talk about the game and maybe do a 56 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:08,800 little kind of interview with him. So you might get a bonus episode there. 57 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,120 But if not, people go check out that game. I have played 58 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,840 it a lot in like testing and whatnot for him, and it's it's a 59 00:03:15,879 --> 00:03:20,000 really fun tower defense strategy game. It's really cool, So go check that 60 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,120 out. And yeah, we'll do some other shot outs later, but let's 61 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,960 get right into it. Let's start with the games we've been playing. Travis, 62 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,080 what do you got going on in your neck of the woods here? 63 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:32,919 Just Elvin Ring Still, I'm still working on that. I'm in a tough 64 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,680 spot right now where I'm trying to obtusly get to the DLC. But I 65 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,039 think I'm in a spot where I think there's a few areas but not that 66 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:44,400 I've explored everything, but explored everything where it's kind of locked, and I 67 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,479 feel like I'm in this tough area where there's a lot of areas that are 68 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,199 very easy for me, and then something are really too hard. So I 69 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:53,039 feel like I'm in a boring portion where I'm kind of xpe farming because that's 70 00:03:53,039 --> 00:03:55,039 where I find like I go to areas well, I've done everything of note 71 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,400 here and in the other areas, it's like, okay, I could, 72 00:03:58,599 --> 00:04:00,560 I could probably beat this boss, but I want to spend three hours like 73 00:04:00,599 --> 00:04:04,479 do pluging away. I don't know. So that's where I'm gonna try to 74 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,560 diverse a plan. One time. There's like some area that I've talk about 75 00:04:08,599 --> 00:04:11,319 before, I can't remember where. It has like that dragon outside the castle 76 00:04:11,719 --> 00:04:15,960 and it's like a very like saar On looking place where all the guys are. 77 00:04:15,079 --> 00:04:17,279 They have their maces and if you kill them you get a one thousand 78 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,839 XP. I've had one day where I'm just gonna be like I'm just gonna 79 00:04:19,879 --> 00:04:25,160 throw in a podcast and just spend like five to six hours, and it's 80 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,519 like cheating a system. But I just feel like there's a lot of them 81 00:04:27,519 --> 00:04:30,839 going through ks and I'm getting stuff but not and I think I'm like seventy 82 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,600 four seventy five, so I still got a ways to go, But I 83 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:36,920 just feel like a lot of the places that there's a few I still got 84 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,879 I'm gonna explore. There's ones I want to go around. But that's been 85 00:04:40,879 --> 00:04:43,759 fun because there were some areas I still actually hadn't explored, and it's been 86 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,959 good going there. There's this like camera are always bad the names, but 87 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,839 there was a really good tower section that was kind of like the in the 88 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,319 right corner of the map there, and it's a one that has two bosses 89 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,920 where you're fighting one and then when they get down to like the like twenty 90 00:04:56,959 --> 00:05:00,360 five percent their health, another one pops up and that one's the ish because 91 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,480 whatever my weapon said is perfect for that first boss, but that second boss 92 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:06,000 not so much. So I've also been changing because I was a big strength 93 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,720 guy, so I've been putting a lot more on the HP and whatnot to 94 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:12,279 try and help that out. So that's where I am where I'm some fun 95 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:15,759 exploring. But now I'm kind of worried because I got to look and see. 96 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,519 Okay, I think everywhere I've explored now it's like to continue exploring, 97 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:20,639 you gotta beat so and so and so and so, and I don't know 98 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,120 if I'm quite that level yet. So not that I want to go in 99 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,079 there and just make it easy, because that only Rea is not easy. 100 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,720 But I still also don't want to do a time thing because I've done there 101 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,720 before where you're like, I could have just came back and done this later. 102 00:05:30,759 --> 00:05:34,319 So I'm hoping that I can try to find maybe one more quest or 103 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:39,639 a couple quests that will, you know, get me a couple more I'll 104 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:42,319 beat your bosses, that can get me leveled up a bit more if I'm 105 00:05:42,319 --> 00:05:45,079 just gonna be looking for runes and selling lots of weapons. So that's where 106 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,199 I am in a in a spot where it was I think it was last 107 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,000 week because I haven't played as much because I'm in the middle of writing because 108 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,720 we're filming some stuff soon, so I want to My nights have been kind 109 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,160 of knackered to that right now. But one of these things was like I 110 00:05:57,199 --> 00:05:59,160 don't know what to do, and that's the worst thing when you're kind of 111 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,560 gone everywhere and it's like, Okay, well what should I go do? 112 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,519 So that's where and I haven't done the whole like check on reddit the best 113 00:06:04,519 --> 00:06:08,240 way to move up or this and that, so that might be the way 114 00:06:08,319 --> 00:06:10,839 just so I can like kind of move forward. But I've just goning around, 115 00:06:10,879 --> 00:06:12,560 like, well, I've been here, and I've been here, and 116 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,079 well, I've been here, and I don't think I can do that. 117 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,480 I've been here and I don't think I can do that. So I'm in 118 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,240 a tough spot with it right now, so I have to I might just 119 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:20,879 also have to do the X before me and then just take the bullet and 120 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:26,319 go just go spend a bunch of hours with the boss and everything like that, 121 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,360 you know. So, and that's because I've done that before and it 122 00:06:29,439 --> 00:06:32,000 was nice because there it's tough because I went back when I played it, 123 00:06:32,079 --> 00:06:35,040 and I went back to a boss. I can't remember the boss's name, 124 00:06:35,079 --> 00:06:39,959 but it's when you go into kind of a cave situation. It's very big 125 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,720 and he jumps around a lot. He's kind of almost like a bird like 126 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:46,600 thing. It looks very much like in Lord of the Rings when they get 127 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,920 the Army and the Dead, where it's very smoky water and stuff, and 128 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,480 I remember before I was like, I'll come back to him, and then 129 00:06:51,519 --> 00:06:55,040 when I play this time defeated him kind of like nothing. So that's where 130 00:06:55,079 --> 00:06:57,680 I was like, Okay, that's where it's like, do I want to 131 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:00,079 go to any boss and spend three hours because this was a good example if 132 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,839 I just came back and it really like first try done. So it's like 133 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:08,560 that's more like for me wanting to use my time worthy like that's what I 134 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,240 want to do. But that's the that's the push and pull of I'm not 135 00:07:11,279 --> 00:07:14,800 finding any big bosses right now to get XP from, so we'll see. 136 00:07:14,879 --> 00:07:17,160 I might try to go I might try to do a little farming then kind 137 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,360 of make a rank or look at ranks of hardests and kind of be like, 138 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,439 Okay, I'm just gonna work hard enough to get to this guy defeat 139 00:07:24,519 --> 00:07:26,800 him because there's one I was close to. It's just like I think my 140 00:07:26,839 --> 00:07:30,079 weapons weren't great, so I might go back come there and that might change 141 00:07:30,079 --> 00:07:31,839 some things. So I'm still enjoying it. Luckily, I'll ring still tons 142 00:07:31,879 --> 00:07:34,079 of fun, but I'm in a place where I just like I don't know 143 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:38,720 what I should do really next, and that's kind of tough. So yeah, 144 00:07:38,759 --> 00:07:41,920 I don't know if I had a moment like that, Like I think 145 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,199 when it got to the end of it and I just maybe had like you 146 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:46,639 know, I had didn't explore every single looking cranny, but I had like 147 00:07:46,639 --> 00:07:50,759 maybe two or three bigger bosses left, and they were just like really freaking 148 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,839 hard, and I just had to like, Okay, I gotta buckle down 149 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:57,879 and just spend a few hours do forty attempts and like, yeah, get 150 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,959 these guys kote at this point. But yeah, I guess I felt like 151 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,439 there was just since the map is so big and there's so many different areas 152 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:05,920 that, yeah, I don't know if I ever really hit a wall like 153 00:08:05,959 --> 00:08:09,360 that. So I'm not sure what the my best advice would be, especially 154 00:08:09,319 --> 00:08:13,639 it shard for me to remember like the specifics of the order and like you're 155 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,680 talking about that dragging outside of the Castle'm like, I can't remember what that 156 00:08:16,439 --> 00:08:20,000 section is off the top of my head. No, I think I gotta 157 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,480 do it. You do and just buckle because I haven't done that. I've 158 00:08:22,519 --> 00:08:26,800 done that. If you are fighting a boss that that's that is that difficult, 159 00:08:26,199 --> 00:08:30,279 when you kill them, you'll probably get a ton of souls, right, 160 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:31,919 so it probably give you a couple of level ups or more. So, 161 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:35,120 I don't know. Maybe it's like, okay, it's an investment of 162 00:08:35,159 --> 00:08:39,320 time, but then maybe the reward is greater and it will be greater if 163 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,679 you do it now then if you come back in a few levels. Anyway, 164 00:08:41,759 --> 00:08:43,879 so yes, that might be the play. I suppose that's what I'm 165 00:08:43,879 --> 00:08:46,279 thinking. So I think I'm gonna kind of have a one two plan. 166 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:50,840 I'm spending night, spend, maybe look at a few other areas and xp 167 00:08:50,000 --> 00:08:52,759 f M, and then pick a boss and go okay, which one seems 168 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:56,200 relatable? And that's probably because I haven't had like I think there's one boss 169 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,200 that was a struggle, but after a few attempts, I still did it. 170 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,720 Where it's been a while since I've done that, where it's been like 171 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:07,159 okay, I remember the second or third night when I played the game, 172 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,200 and there's some boss where I didn't have the levels, but I could ride 173 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,799 the horse, and that's where it's okay, I'm gonna kill an even cheek. 174 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:15,360 I did, but it took like a like a whole night to do 175 00:09:15,399 --> 00:09:16,799 that, and that's where it's like I haven't you know, Allen Ring, 176 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,240 you got mentally prepare for that. It's like, okay, I need to 177 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,720 I haven't done that in a while. And that's where it's like, oh, 178 00:09:22,879 --> 00:09:24,080 like because I want to progress, but that's a weird game where that 179 00:09:24,159 --> 00:09:26,320 is progressing. But it's just weird to be like, hey, I'm gonna 180 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:31,600 spend my three to five hours of gaming just on this one area, right, 181 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:35,080 So, but I think that's what's gonna happen. But that's pretty much 182 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,480 it. And then we played some Call Duty this weekend. There's nothing too 183 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,039 big update wise, it's kind of the same, just kind of rotations on 184 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:45,519 the maps. Nothing, I don't think anything too curious. But what I'm 185 00:09:45,519 --> 00:09:48,679 looking very forward to, we don't know what it is yet. On July 186 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:52,080 twenty fourth, Call Duty is doing a WWE crossover. Oh yeah, and 187 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:58,200 so in the they revealed it in the video and in the video there's a 188 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,639 shadow of three characters and yes, bubb and Dave, we're all theorizing him 189 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,000 Taylor and we think we've well the restling people. Taylor had no idea who 190 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,639 these people were, but the two wrestling peep we think we figured out who 191 00:10:07,639 --> 00:10:09,120 the left and the right is, which is funny because it's my favorite male 192 00:10:09,519 --> 00:10:13,240 and female re Ripley and Cody Rhodess and be so I'm happy. But then 193 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:16,519 there's a guy in the middle that people have been like, we don't really 194 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,559 know, and now there's rumors because John Cena this week has been following call 195 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:24,960 Duty that it could be him. So Taylor had this theory because he said 196 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:28,440 the way they revealed it, every time they've done that type of trailer, 197 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:31,159 it's been an actual battle pass, not just skins what people thought. And 198 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,039 now it's like, well, we have two people, and usually when they 199 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,360 do these skin sets, it's like in groups of two or three, so 200 00:10:37,799 --> 00:10:41,080 I guess there could be four, but it's like we have three wrestlers. 201 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,559 And now John Cena Taylor might be right that we might be getting to the 202 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,559 battle pass and if that's the case, and Jill Eldering might have to take 203 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:50,519 a seat because I'm gonna have to unlock everything on that battle pass because if 204 00:10:50,519 --> 00:10:54,720 it's to E Centric and they got their second biggest show come out this year, 205 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:58,000 so it's like if e Centric, like playing is John Cena, planing 206 00:10:58,039 --> 00:11:00,840 is Coy Rhoads. So that got me very exac even if it's not. 207 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,799 I'm excited because I didn't have really WW and called duty on my Bengo card. 208 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,559 But I'm excited to see like because I feel like John Cena if he's 209 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,799 in there will be the Poplaron. I'm excited to see like a bunch of 210 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,759 John Cenas all the time. So yeah, look out for that, I 211 00:11:13,759 --> 00:11:16,960 guess. And we'll talk about that when that draws. But that's the only 212 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:20,200 thing I've else been playing and whatnot, so I can let's see, it's 213 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,360 still a month away. It'll probably just be on Ringing w and then Star 214 00:11:22,399 --> 00:11:26,879 Wars. That's why I'm not starting any new games right now until Outlaws because 215 00:11:26,879 --> 00:11:28,840 obviously the review and everything, so after that, like I said, I 216 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,679 think the tag plan might be we're all ringing now in Wake, but I 217 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,600 don't want to do anything new right now. So yeah, yeah, I'm 218 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,240 in a similar spot where I'm just trying to juggle the things that I have 219 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:41,279 been playing, so I have one new thing to talk about. But yeah, 220 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:45,080 I'm still working through the Elder Ring deal. See, I'm still playing 221 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,799 Mad Max. It's like just the perfect you know, just I want to 222 00:11:48,879 --> 00:11:50,200 kill half an hour at the end of the Night kind of thing. Yeah, 223 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,639 Mad Max is not like Ellen Ring, so it's like I think it's 224 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:56,360 a complete one eighty of like you want a different plays style, Yeah, 225 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:56,919 but you've got to be in the mood for Olden Ring, where I'm like 226 00:11:56,919 --> 00:12:01,360 almost always in a mood to play. Yeah, have the Mad Max vibe 227 00:12:01,399 --> 00:12:03,519 on where I just put on a podcast on the background and then just getting 228 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,440 the car and cruise around the lacelane exactly. Uh. And then I'm still 229 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,279 you know, working through Alien Isolation, which is a lot longer game than 230 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:13,799 I thought it was really, so that's taking me some time, and because 231 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,840 I really want to start Still Wakes the Deep, which is another horror game 232 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:20,600 that came out recently on game Pass, but I don't really want to double 233 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,279 up. I want to make sure I'm finishing Alien Isolation before I jump into 234 00:12:24,279 --> 00:12:28,639 that. So that's that's where I'm trying not to get, you know, 235 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,600 not to add too many things on my currently playing list. Cool poster, 236 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,759 I like that Still Wakes the Deep here. Yeah, I've heard really good 237 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:37,639 things about it. It's been a pretty low key launch, I think, 238 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,039 but it's everything I've heard has been really good, so I'm excited to check 239 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,320 that one out. But yeah, also talk about when you get to because 240 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,039 I might put that on my my backlog list because I like the looks of 241 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:50,639 it so far from the images, so yeah, you know, it looks 242 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:54,120 great. But yeah, like the new the new thing, which is not 243 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:56,919 a not a new thing, it's an old game. But what I've been 244 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,240 checking out is Donkey Kong Country Returns. Oh I guess specifically the three D 245 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,480 the three DS one. So yeah, we talked about this recently because at 246 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:13,039 the most recent Nintendo direct they announced the Donkey Kong Country Returns, the newest 247 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,399 port of it. So it's a wee game. They are upported to three 248 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,519 DS, and now they're poorting that version, that three DS version back to 249 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,559 the switch, obviously taking out the double screens element of it and then just 250 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:26,720 like making it switch afide and all the other ways. But you know, 251 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,799 seeing that, it's like, okay, it's gonna be like a full price 252 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,519 game, or like a nearly full price game. I want to play the 253 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:33,559 game, but I'm not interested in that. So I found a three DS 254 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,960 cartridge for like ten bucks, and that's perfect because I don't need this switch 255 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,200 version, which doesn't really seem to have anything new, And I always am 256 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,399 looking for an excuse to whip up the three DS because I just it's a 257 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:46,679 great piece of hardware. That's always my thing. When I go back to 258 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:50,840 it every few months or years, is just wow, it's really solid, 259 00:13:50,879 --> 00:13:54,559 Like the screens are huge. Really it's more convenient to take around than a 260 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:58,360 Switch. Feels less flimsy in that way, and I just hate joy cons 261 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,519 so much so playing Switch on the go like not really ideal for me? 262 00:14:01,639 --> 00:14:03,200 Or was that? Like the three d S and the form factor of it, 263 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,480 So it's always fun to go back to it. But yeah, I've 264 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:09,679 been playing through that, which has been a good time. I know you 265 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:13,000 were an SNS guy, but were you a Donkey Kong country guy? Like 266 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:16,039 did you play those games back in the day one or two? I think 267 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,039 after that, and like I think I all played them as far as you 268 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,279 know. Fran had him or I had him. I think one and two. 269 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,279 I won't say burned in my mind. It's like a metal gear where 270 00:14:24,279 --> 00:14:26,919 it's not like I can from certain fish to tell you, but just remember 271 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:30,120 lots of game time in the hands as a young fellow and stuff. Because 272 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,360 I also think they had a two player Aleman, right, I think where 273 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:35,360 it's like the Marlo Luigi where you would switch out maybe or anything like that. 274 00:14:35,399 --> 00:14:37,559 Yeah, I forget what it would actually if you have two controllers, 275 00:14:37,559 --> 00:14:41,000 but the gimmicks of the game where that, like, yeah, you have 276 00:14:41,559 --> 00:14:43,320 Donkey Kong as your main character, and then Diddy Kong is your backup. 277 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:46,440 When don Kong gets hit, You're playing as Diddy Kong. And then the 278 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,120 second game was Diddy Kong and then Dixie Kong, and then the third game 279 00:14:50,159 --> 00:14:52,559 was Dixie Kong with Donkey Kong Junior. I think, so they just kept 280 00:14:52,559 --> 00:14:56,120 like changing who the main character was tagging it like taking the tag team member 281 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,840 from the last one and making them the protagonist, which is kind of fun. 282 00:15:00,039 --> 00:15:01,000 But I have fond memory of those and that's why I feel like I 283 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,000 played that with my dad and sisters at that point. So yeah, no, 284 00:15:05,039 --> 00:15:07,000 I had fond memories of one and two and that more more so one, 285 00:15:07,039 --> 00:15:11,320 because I feel like that's one of those that just almost like came with 286 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,399 it when you bought it, or someone that was just to go to your 287 00:15:13,399 --> 00:15:16,159 parents would be like, hey, Mario Donkey Kong, get those two games. 288 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,879 You know if they didn't even know anything about it. So yeah, 289 00:15:18,919 --> 00:15:20,720 I mean, because I was looking into this recent, I was kind of 290 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,320 surprised at how few like Donkey Kong platform or games there actually is. Like 291 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,039 there's other there's Mario games where Donkey Kong appears, like Marvelus Donkey Kong or 292 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:31,279 the original Donkey Kong, but where you actually get to play as him or 293 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,279 the rest of the DK crew. It's actually very few games, like you 294 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,080 have those three original ones on SNS, and then the next one was that 295 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,320 we won all those years later, and then the Tropical Freeze of course on 296 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,720 the WEU, and then that got ported to the Switch. Right, So 297 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:50,960 yeah, only truly like five games in the series, and there's all sorts 298 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,440 of like ports and versions of those games. And then had you ever heard 299 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:58,600 of the Donkey Kong Land games. I literally didn't even exist until today when 300 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,600 I was just looking at these up, and it seems like they were essentially 301 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,840 ports of Donkey Kong Country those three games. Oh yeah, boys exact same 302 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,519 they have the exact same like cover ex that they've just Yeah, so they 303 00:16:08,519 --> 00:16:11,720 were just for the game Boy, like the original game Boy, so they 304 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:15,919 were probably d makes to some extent because the game Boy is a lot less 305 00:16:15,919 --> 00:16:19,000 powerful than the Snees was obviously, so I think they're just like ported versions 306 00:16:19,039 --> 00:16:22,039 of those games, but like simplified, and since they were probably changed quite 307 00:16:22,039 --> 00:16:25,759 a bit and short and quite a bit, they gave them different names. 308 00:16:25,759 --> 00:16:29,080 But I had never even heard about those games. So yeah, I and 309 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:33,279 Donkeyong Country, like Snees I've always talked about, is kind of my blind 310 00:16:33,279 --> 00:16:37,080 spot with Nintendo. That is not one I ever owned and never even had, 311 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,399 like a I don't even know if I've ever seen one in real life, 312 00:16:40,399 --> 00:16:41,279 like other than like at a video game store, Like I don't think 313 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:45,360 I've ever had a friend growing up that owned one. So I just never 314 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,200 played any of those games until more recently, of like I don't know, 315 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,960 playing maybe like a game Boy advance port of a game, or more specifically 316 00:16:52,039 --> 00:16:56,240 like on the Nintendo Switch online going back and checking out some of those games. 317 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,120 And that's not where I've played the Donkey Kong Country one, two, 318 00:16:59,159 --> 00:17:00,720 and three, and I haven't beat any of them, but I just you 319 00:17:00,759 --> 00:17:03,039 know, played for a couple hours through each of them to see what they 320 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:07,240 were all about, and you know, they're not really my thing, like 321 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:08,759 I think back in the day, if it was a contest, I would 322 00:17:08,759 --> 00:17:11,759 have been way more a fan of Mario than I would have been Donkey Kong 323 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:17,160 Country. Like they're they're they're a lot harder, they're a more precise with 324 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:21,079 their movements. It feels like a little bit less explorative, Like it's a 325 00:17:21,079 --> 00:17:22,920 bit more linear, I suppose. I mean, you know, Mario one 326 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,519 and two are pretty linear games as well. Three is when they kind of 327 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,359 crack it open more. But yeah, and even like the art style and 328 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:36,440 like that sort of design, Like I like the more colorful, like cartoony 329 00:17:36,519 --> 00:17:41,319 nature of sixty four than I. Then it's interesting the art style of those 330 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,400 con those games. They have a really weird art style to them. But 331 00:17:45,519 --> 00:17:48,559 I don't know, they've never really been ones that I obviously not have known 332 00:17:48,599 --> 00:17:52,039 nostalgia for those original games, and so yeah, when I played through them 333 00:17:52,079 --> 00:17:52,960 somewhat recently, it was like, a, Yeah, they're all right, 334 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:56,799 but they're not really I'm not gonna like keep playing through them or master these 335 00:17:56,839 --> 00:18:00,960 games like I've have with some Mario games, for example. So I guess 336 00:18:02,039 --> 00:18:04,519 all of that to say that playing through Don Kong Country returns on the three 337 00:18:04,599 --> 00:18:08,440 DS It's been really fun so far, and I'm surprised how much I'm liking 338 00:18:08,519 --> 00:18:12,039 it. It's it's Donkey Kong's the main character and then Diddy Kong is the 339 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,319 backup. But it works differently where if you get hit as Donkey Kong, 340 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,839 you don't turn into Diddy Kong in this game. Instead, you just have 341 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,680 like you can get hit three times a Donkey Kong. And then if you 342 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:23,839 have Diddy Kong with you, then he rides on your back and he has 343 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,359 like a jet pack on as well, so you can just like have an 344 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,160 additional float mechanic. So when you have Diddy Kong with you get this like 345 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,039 additional movement, and I don't know if there's any other changes. I guess 346 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:34,960 you get, you get more health, Diddy Kong can kind of like take 347 00:18:36,039 --> 00:18:38,039 some shots from you, so yeah, there's kind of like less of a 348 00:18:38,319 --> 00:18:41,960 move set change, but I guess you do get a little bit because you 349 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:45,160 have that like kind of floatability to it. But I love I think this 350 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,440 game is really beautiful, looks great on the three DS, and one of 351 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:52,160 my favorite parts about it. One thing I always loved about Crash was like 352 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:55,960 the it's like a two D platform or game. But then like you can 353 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,079 go like you know into the background and into the foreground. There's like a 354 00:18:59,079 --> 00:19:02,160 little bit of layering to it, and like a Little Big Planet kind of 355 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,279 did a similar thing, and this game has that to an extent, but 356 00:19:04,279 --> 00:19:07,920 it's more just like there's these background areas that you're you jump in a barrel, 357 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,839 you get shot to like the way background, and so you're kind of 358 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,079 like a little little guy way in the back, which I think I wonder 359 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:18,440 why they chose to do that for the Wei version for the three DS. 360 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,440 I think it makes a lot of sense with like the three D you know, 361 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,359 the three D effect that the that the console has. It adds like 362 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,160 an interesting layering effect to it where you're like in the background there. But 363 00:19:27,279 --> 00:19:30,839 it's just it's just a fun way to shake up the layers of the levels. 364 00:19:30,279 --> 00:19:34,200 And yeah, I think I'm just so surprised at like how like the 365 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:38,319 game is very expansive. There's tons of a huge cuts sne like huge set 366 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,640 piece type moments, Like it's just a very like it feels like a very 367 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:47,000 high budget like two D platform or game, like more than I would expect 368 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:48,799 from like a just a Nintendo thing. In general, let alone Donkey Kong, 369 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,160 and obviously Donkey Kong hasn't had a ton of these games, so anything 370 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:56,680 is kind of a shake up for the formula. But just I'm really enjoying 371 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,000 it really, you know, solid mechanics. It's a pretty simple game. 372 00:19:59,039 --> 00:20:02,920 It is hard as well, but you do get a lot more checkpoints and 373 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,200 so yeah, it's just been a really enjoyable time. And yeah, this 374 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:10,839 is probably my favorite Donkey Kong game other than like sixty four, and sixty 375 00:20:10,839 --> 00:20:14,200 four is you know, loaded with nostalgia. Yeah, so so yeah, 376 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:17,559 it's been I'm glad that I can finally get into this series because Dropical Freeze 377 00:20:17,559 --> 00:20:18,920 has always been on my list and when I can find that for like a 378 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,200 cheap price, I'll definitely pick that up because I want to play through that 379 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,319 as well. But yeah, this has been like a really nice surprise hit 380 00:20:26,079 --> 00:20:29,400 because yeah, considering I didn't really care much for the like the original three 381 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,160 games when I played them recently, that's cool. Yeah, so I don't 382 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,359 know if there's much else to say about that, but yeah, shout outs 383 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:37,799 to Donkey Kong, and I hope we get something new from him. I 384 00:20:37,839 --> 00:20:41,400 really want that other three D game. I think me and you talked about 385 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,960 that like probably a year ago at this point, because it was rumored, 386 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,319 But now it's like, I don't even know if that's a rumor anymore. 387 00:20:47,319 --> 00:20:48,920 I feel like that just kind of fell the wayside, and now we're just 388 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,400 getting like a remake of a game that's already been remade before. So it's 389 00:20:52,519 --> 00:20:56,200 it's unfortunate. I want to see some more justice for my boy Donkey Kong 390 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,359 over here. You know, it's good that it always shows up in the 391 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:03,319 sports games, the carts and whatnot, but he needs he needs more more 392 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,160 new games, Like he should have a new game every two years, I'm 393 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:07,480 gonna say. And right now, it's like every decade. It seems like 394 00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:11,839 you get a game back in like the early like the GameCube era, into 395 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,680 like the DS. We I feel like with the Jungle Beat games and like 396 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,319 King of Swing, like you were getting a lot of random stuff, but 397 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,640 they were all felt like weird spin offs. And so yeah, it's been 398 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,319 a long time since we've had just like a Donkey Kong era. I feel 399 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:25,720 like it's just so rare to get a new game from him. That's why 400 00:21:25,759 --> 00:21:27,599 I want that a movie to come out because I think Nintendo for some reason 401 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,039 doesn't think and maybe I'm wrong, maybe that is a situation, maybe all 402 00:21:32,079 --> 00:21:34,359 those other games they've produced don't sell that well. But for me, I 403 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:40,240 feel like he is. Oh I'm not sure. I'm not counting anyone else 404 00:21:40,279 --> 00:21:42,799 from the Mario family. Okay, I'd say Link. You can say like 405 00:21:42,839 --> 00:21:47,480 this link Zelda, but I'll say Link as firmly behind Mario as the second, 406 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,720 you know, like the face of Nintendo. But after that, I 407 00:21:49,759 --> 00:21:52,960 feel like DK would be third. I think maybe Pokemon sneaks in there, 408 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,759 but that's yeah, a bit of a technicality because it's partially over by Nintendo. 409 00:21:56,839 --> 00:22:00,880 Right, So yeah, if they if you didn't have that asterix on 410 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:04,599 them, then I think d K because you know, I don't know if 411 00:22:04,599 --> 00:22:07,440 you could get every two years, but I think at least at least four 412 00:22:07,519 --> 00:22:12,039 years at least every time, Kong or Yoshi are more. Oh so that's 413 00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:15,319 where or recognizable character. So I said, if you and Mario and just 414 00:22:15,319 --> 00:22:18,440 took out the rest of the family, if you put in the family, 415 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:19,799 I think Yoshi as well, Like he has his own series and like in 416 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,920 Smash he has like a different logo than the Mario characters like they kind of 417 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:27,960 consider him. I put Yoshi and Luigi above don Kong now with Luigi Mansion 418 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:32,880 everything, I know it's similar for sure, yea or Luigian generalized, and 419 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:34,440 I just think people like him. I just feel like if you were to 420 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,319 it's like whether it's movie game, I feel like if you put Don Kong's 421 00:22:40,319 --> 00:22:45,039 face or Luigi's face, Luigi now has moved past Luigi and Yoshi. I 422 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:48,720 don't know that's a that's a very I still like, well see because I 423 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,559 mean with the sequel movie, Yoshi gonna be in there, and like kids 424 00:22:51,599 --> 00:22:53,720 are gonna be obsessed with Yoshi. I think, yeah, could be herege 425 00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:57,920 and we need like another last one was Wooly World, right, but I 426 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,880 want another, Like yeah, I don't think there has been a new game 427 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,640 since then, because even like Kirby gets like random, weird little spinoff games, 428 00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:08,000 but I feel like Yoshi has never really gotten just an abundance of games. 429 00:23:08,039 --> 00:23:11,119 It's usually just yeah, there's a two D platform where every once in 430 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,000 a while, we got to go back to the island. You know, 431 00:23:14,079 --> 00:23:17,640 even if it's just a remake like Super MARIOORPG, we need to we need 432 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,079 to go back to the island. That's what I've been. That's a that's 433 00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:22,519 a Travis jam. So I'm hoping that happens. Yeah, and the thinking 434 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:26,599 too with Donkey Hungkuse. I feel like, you know, Zelda and Mario 435 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,000 are two characters in series that just get games regularly no matter what anyway, 436 00:23:30,279 --> 00:23:33,240 And so with like movie, Like with the Mario movie coming out, they 437 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,000 didn't really have like a brand new game to pair with it. They did 438 00:23:37,079 --> 00:23:41,559 have Wonder several months later, but it was still like not a perfect pairing. 439 00:23:41,599 --> 00:23:42,799 But then they had like all sorts of other random games coming out, 440 00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:47,640 Like they had new DLC for Mario Kart eight, they had like these remakes 441 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,279 of different games coming out. And with Zelda, you know, Tears of 442 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,720 the Kings came out last year. Theyred have this new Zelda game coming out 443 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,480 this year. I'm sure they'll have like if at the worst case they have 444 00:23:56,599 --> 00:24:00,160 like you know, something like Twilight Princess or win Way or remake in the 445 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,880 Wings that they can just drop whenever that movie's coming out to get that like 446 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,279 easy easy synergy. But I do feel like Donke Yong would would require more 447 00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:10,880 work from them. I don't know, if they have as much as they 448 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,559 could just whip out moments notice because also some of those older games are owned 449 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:18,920 by Rare, which is Microsoft, and like, I don't know where the 450 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,720 right size, Like I don't know if Nintendo can just drop without costing it, 451 00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:26,480 without spending a dime don Kyong sixty four on their service because of the 452 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:29,200 rare element of it, I assume they have like a full rights of it. 453 00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:32,079 But like, if they do, why haven't they already put it on 454 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,319 there? That seems like a very big miss so and again that seems like 455 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,720 a great one to remake too, if they don't want to do don Kong 456 00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:40,240 game, that would be a I think a prime one to remake. So 457 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,960 yeah, yeah that or yeah, even at the very least, just put 458 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,920 it on Intend to switch on labs so people can can check it out there. 459 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,000 But yeah, shout outs to Donkey Kong. We're gonna get into the 460 00:24:52,039 --> 00:24:56,200 news sequence here, but first let's I'll tell you a little bit about how 461 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,440 to support us if you like what we're doing here. I like this that 462 00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:03,839 you came up this, Travis kind of you know, let's take some ad 463 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,359 some of the shadows, take some of those things away. From the start, 464 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:07,559 yes, and step of them later in so we can get right into 465 00:25:07,599 --> 00:25:11,759 the juice the things that people want to listen to. But yeah, we're 466 00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:14,480 switching it up here. But yeah, shot out. You know, check 467 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,240 out our patreon if you want to get episodes early and add free all sorts 468 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,880 of retrospectives. What are the latest things drop in on our Patreon? Well, 469 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,160 the last two days ones in the public feed, but that one's not. 470 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,359 We have the Apocalypse retro and the Logan retros. So Logan retro's up 471 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,240 there, andyone ready for Deadpool olveren. You got a lot of good good 472 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:33,920 stuff there, check it out exactly those are We only got two left. 473 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,319 We got the Logan one retro and then we got the re release of Dark 474 00:25:36,319 --> 00:25:37,400 Fienix that you, Me and Kirkland did years ago. So all the x 475 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,920 ME and ones will be back Prime audio feeds. And then and I think 476 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,319 it's next week. I could be wrong. Well I'll just say next two 477 00:25:45,319 --> 00:25:47,079 weeks, I don't look it up. And next two weeks you're gonna have 478 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:52,759 a Prometheus and Alien Versus Predator retros going on there. And yeah, and 479 00:25:52,839 --> 00:25:56,640 also just describe because there's lots of details and fun stuff for gearing up to 480 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,680 Geek for his day. Soon, we're gonna I got another thing to ask 481 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,000 Patre. We're gonna give our trivia time on the newscast this week, me 482 00:26:03,039 --> 00:26:04,880 and Delm we're gonna do a spin and see who's on the team. So 483 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:11,559 if you want to get on our trivia teams during the join phase two tier 484 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,200 or higher. And yeah, there's been lots of supportal race, so it's 485 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:15,880 gonna be think it's gonna be a fun day. So lots of good stuff 486 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,160 on there. Yeah, and then you guys are still doing the boys. 487 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:23,480 House of Dragon is going on right now. Uh. Comic Con is gonna 488 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,559 be next week where the big Marvel panel looks like, so that should be 489 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:33,000 some juicy news as well. Now they're doing a Deadpool and Wolverine pan on 490 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,279 the Thursday, which I think they're just screening the movie and talking to the 491 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:37,759 actors, but maybe some juice will come out of it, you know. 492 00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:41,000 But yeah, next two weeks should be fun. Yeah, good stuff. 493 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,839 And then yeah once again in GVDA that is on August third, the Saturday, 494 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,200 so mark that on your calendar, come check it out, hang out 495 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,039 with us for the day. Uh, we're gonna be playing some games. 496 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:55,119 We're gonna be you could, yeah, get including the games if you want 497 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,720 to jump on the Patreon and all that, so it should be a good 498 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,359 time. Other than that, you know, enjoy the discold. You can 499 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,559 leave a review for the show. You can check out my game on Steam. 500 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,640 It's called Potion Problem. Uh and uh yeah, thank you everyone who 501 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,480 picked it up through the Steam Summer sale. Got a few more hits there, 502 00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:14,759 which was nice to see. But yeah, any any other show notes 503 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,680 from you, Travis, No, I don't think so. I think soon 504 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,839 all those shows will be ending, so we'll have a couple more newscasts coming 505 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,680 up, and we have h we're doing. I don't have it on the 506 00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,839 calendary at for us, So that's about my bad on my front. But 507 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,960 we're soon in August, we'll be doing our Superhero draft. We're delaying it 508 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,160 a little bit because usually before we forgot about that, I gotta get gotta 509 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:37,759 start thinking about Yeah, usually we do before Comic Con, but this year 510 00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:40,759 we're doing Africaus dead Pool Olvering's right there, and we thought, well that 511 00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:41,920 could be a fun and right now I think we're I think it's like Umi 512 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,279 and Kirkle and a tie, so it's like that could be a good way 513 00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:48,000 to I'd rather someone win than a tie, because tie is fine, but 514 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,119 I like someone had the bragging rights going next year, so I think and 515 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,440 plus me Comic Con. Hopefully they don't announce actors, just projects. But 516 00:27:53,759 --> 00:27:56,359 yeah, that'll be coming up soon as the Superhero draft, which I know 517 00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,200 people love the draft, so that'll be uh, we're fresh that so right 518 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,440 on. Okay, Yeah, with that, we're gonna cut to the you 519 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:07,680 know, regular at break. Will be right back for some more video game 520 00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:15,640 news. We'll were right back. Okay, we are back. So two 521 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,319 things we're gonna talking about here. One is just kind of talking about the 522 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,359 PS five the Xbox and kind of how their sales are doing relative to their 523 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,480 previous consoles. But I first want to start, I think with game Pass. 524 00:28:26,519 --> 00:28:30,200 So game Pass is getting some shake ups here, it's getting some changes, 525 00:28:32,279 --> 00:28:34,319 so let me just kind of first go through and break it down as 526 00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:37,160 best as I can. I will say there was no articles out there that 527 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,240 I could find that just really nicely condensed the information. It was kind of 528 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:45,160 confusing, but it was also kind of confusing the way it was announced and 529 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,559 talked about. So it's it's all over the place, but I'll do my 530 00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:51,079 best to kind of relay that information. That's why I'm sure most people listen 531 00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:52,519 to this podcast listening to if you have Twitter or x whatever you call. 532 00:28:52,559 --> 00:28:56,440 But Warrio sixty four is great for that because he did like a thread and 533 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,079 he had like bolt points of boom. That's how I read about it. 534 00:28:59,119 --> 00:29:02,400 So he was actually on the more condensed ones than it was out there. 535 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,839 So but then you have to, you know, be on the Twitter format 536 00:29:04,839 --> 00:29:07,559 which is like, you know, limited information per tweet, and it's yes, 537 00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:11,039 I do have his open on my screen as well, so it's it's 538 00:29:11,119 --> 00:29:15,279 it is a good place to have it over there. But I guess, 539 00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:22,640 just a general what's happening here is that Game Pass the price is increasing across 540 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,680 the board. Every tier is receiving a price increased to some extent, some 541 00:29:27,799 --> 00:29:32,920 of them less than others, some of them just for the annual like because 542 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:34,160 you know, if you get like if you buy it annually rather than monthly, 543 00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:37,640 you get kind of like a discount there. But like now that discount 544 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,240 is it's still a discount then if you just bought it every month. But 545 00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:42,960 it's like less of a discount. So that's kind of confusing that they would 546 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,759 increase just an annual not the monthly. I digress as Taylor would say. 547 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,839 So, yeah, the price is increasing across the board. The previous tier, 548 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,480 game Pass Console, which is one of the tiers you could subscribe to, 549 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,240 is going away, and instead they were InTru producing a new tier called 550 00:30:00,359 --> 00:30:07,440 game Pass Standard, which is similar but different in some way. And then 551 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,039 yeah, so that along with that comes to some changes as well. Uh, 552 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,680 and so we will talk about that, but I guess just here's here's 553 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,000 how the tiers kind of currently work. For anyone who kind of forgets, 554 00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:21,240 I'm gonna use USD here, you know, converted to your local currency. 555 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,599 We're Canadian, but we're in ease USD because that's what every website uses. 556 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,000 Of course, I don't know unless there's maybe IGN dot ca A. I 557 00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:30,480 don't know, does IGN have like a Canadian branch where they translate to I 558 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,759 don't think so. I know there's like an IG in UK and whatnot, 559 00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:37,960 so we'll see about that. But anyway, so yeah, there's game Pass 560 00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:41,200 Core. This is ten dollars a month, and so this is essentially when 561 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:48,839 when they when they got rid of Xbox Live like game like Gold Xbox Gold, 562 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:52,200 they kind of replaced that with game Pass Core, but it is a 563 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,839 different service where you get like a very you get a limited selection of games. 564 00:30:55,839 --> 00:30:56,920 I think it's still like forty or fifty games in there, but that 565 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:02,039 pales in comparison to like the I don't know, three hundred ish that you'd 566 00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:06,160 get from a regular game Pass subscription. So there's game Pass Core and that 567 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,839 comes with Xbox Live, so you can play games online. And then there's 568 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,799 you know, like Fortnite kind of gets is an exception to the rule because 569 00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:15,480 it's so big, So that's game Pass Core. Once again, game like 570 00:31:15,519 --> 00:31:19,799 price is increasing on all these so I won't mention that. And then that's 571 00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:25,079 pretty much just a standard and Xbox Live so it's pretty much Live, yeah, 572 00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:26,200 plus like you get games, but now you don't get like the two 573 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,000 games every month with Gold, like they got rid of that, so you 574 00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:32,759 kind of just get like a standard library. And I have not kept up 575 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:37,240 with how much they update or changed that library. And it's not just it's 576 00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:41,000 like Xbox Games like something. There's like I think a Sauce Celeste is on 577 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:44,240 there, so there's other random indies and things, so it's not just strictly 578 00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:48,319 like first party things. The next year there's PC game Pass, so this 579 00:31:48,359 --> 00:31:51,799 gives you access to game Pass, but only on PC, not on the 580 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,880 console. And this is pretty much the cheapest one. So honestly, if 581 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,279 you're a PC gamer, like you go to go like, you have a 582 00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:01,920 kind of the best here, and so I think the only change with this 583 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,319 PC game Pass is the price. I don't think there's any other change happening 584 00:32:06,359 --> 00:32:09,839 to it whatsoever. And then there's game Pass Ultimate and this is now going 585 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:15,160 up to twenty dollars a month. This was actually the price of Ultimate increased 586 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:20,160 last year by I think like a buck or two, and now it's going 587 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,839 up by like, yeah, three or four dollars depending on your you know 588 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,279 area. So now it's gonna be up to twenty dollars USD a month. 589 00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:30,279 And game Pass Ultimate it includes everything has a play in there. You have 590 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:35,079 access to PC as well as console game Pass. You have access to uh 591 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,720 cloud saves as well or not cloud saves cloud well, I guess cloud saves 592 00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:43,400 is one of the things, but also cloud playing of games. UH. 593 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,319 You have access to everything, including you know, Day one Xbox releases, 594 00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:52,200 and so I guess the purpose of game Pass Standard, which is the new 595 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:53,880 tier, and we don't know the price of it or yet, I think, 596 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,119 or actually I think I wrote it down a fifteen ninety nine, so 597 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:02,400 it's kind of an in between there is Standard will have a huge selection of 598 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,880 the game Pass library most games, but going forward, it will not get 599 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:12,480 the day one releases, the Day one first party games. So when Call 600 00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:17,400 of Duty drops on game Pass when Avowed, or Indiana Jones or Elders Scrolls 601 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,839 six, any of these, when they drop Day one into game Pass with 602 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,519 Standard, you will not you will not be getting those games anymore. So 603 00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:29,880 that's kind of like replacing the console. Now, I'm I'm a little confused 604 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:34,839 with Standard if that includes PC or if it's just for console, like if 605 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,359 it's replacing that console game Pass here that existed, and I can't find any 606 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,319 information about this, So that's my one confusion point. I guess I would 607 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,960 assume it's PC and console, but maybe because they have the PC tier, 608 00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:50,519 maybe I'm wrong about that, but it is. It is a little bit 609 00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:54,000 confusing the way they've they've laid it out there, but really the kind of 610 00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:57,759 idea here is that, yeah, those day one games like Call of Duty, 611 00:33:57,759 --> 00:34:00,480 they want to make sure that you're playing top dollar for it, but 612 00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:04,319 I guess they still want to have that lower price option for people who aren't 613 00:34:05,279 --> 00:34:07,480 don't feel like they need those day one games. So with that comes a 614 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,800 lot of questions of like, Okay, well how long does it take for 615 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,840 like a game to then get added to the service later on if it's the 616 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,480 first party thing. But yeah, with all that, and I don't think 617 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,039 I laid it up the most logically, but it is very changed though. 618 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,079 Yeah, Like I feel like game Pass is officially more confusing than PlayStation Plus 619 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:30,039 y, which we've made fun of when that revamped and added all its tiers, 620 00:34:30,039 --> 00:34:31,159 and I still don't know what they're all called or what they'll do for 621 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:36,079 you. I'm obviously not a PlayStation five owner, so I'm less invested there. 622 00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:38,519 But yeah, I feel like with this game Pass and Xbox is officially 623 00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:42,559 more confusing, and so they lose that battle now for what it's worth. 624 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,039 But yeah, what is your I don't know what are your takeaways or the 625 00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:50,199 biggest takeaway from these changes happening here with game Pass one. Yeah, just 626 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,280 to hit on the confusing. I think that is the case. I think 627 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,760 it's not too bad yet, but it is reminding me of when they talked 628 00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,000 about, oh, eventually if the with the series and stuff like that, 629 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:04,360 I've already lost track of just like this generation to the last generation. Once 630 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,719 they start doing the series, it's or series that and even with the next 631 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:10,079 one, it's like I wish it was. I think PlayStation was smart with 632 00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:13,960 just to keep the numbers and then if you want to update, just say 633 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,440 that's pro and that's the regular. I think that's saying the same thing with 634 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,480 the disc like pro slim and then that those are the only variations. Yeah, 635 00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:23,039 even if you had the Xbox five disclosed version, just done easy like 636 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:28,199 that, Like so that's all You're always confused me, Like the more winning 637 00:35:28,199 --> 00:35:30,639 GO generations, I feel like this confused me as well too. To me, 638 00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:34,119 it should just be like you have just your standard ARO with all the 639 00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:37,079 big games, your PC one and then the big games even then I don't 640 00:35:37,079 --> 00:35:39,400 know if you need to go that much, but like Ultimate PC and then 641 00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:43,880 Standard I think that should have been pretty much it. And yeah, I 642 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:45,639 don't know. Obviously everyone was not happy with like the price hikes, but 643 00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:49,519 it's like that's just gonna happen in society. That happens everywhere. It happens 644 00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:52,519 with theaters, PlayStation will do the same, All the Disney plus netflixes do 645 00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:54,840 the same. Like it's just the way the economy is, unfortunately, and 646 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,679 all these places are not making as much money as they want to, so 647 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,360 that does suck. But at the same time, you just listed off all 648 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,400 those big games they've come out, right, and if they want to try 649 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,880 and make a little bit more, they have to do this because, like 650 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,039 I said, I've been in broken rerg with these past few years. It's 651 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,639 it's great for us. I always preference that it's great for us as the 652 00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:17,480 gamer, but for as a business. I never understood how it was working 653 00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:22,159 for them, And I feel like they're trying. They've they've they've dug their 654 00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:24,199 heels in and they've said we're sticking of the game pass and what they say 655 00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:27,920 a bout like twenty twenty eight, they're gonna have this number of subscribers that 656 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,199 they're not gonna hit, especially now upping the price, because I still I 657 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:35,639 think some people take advantage of it, but I just don't think as much. 658 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:37,880 I think most of the people taking a manager of games Pass are already 659 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,840 doing that. Like, I feel like the people that are on Xbox that 660 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,440 okay, if they get Call Duty. I think the majority is that. 661 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,199 Like I I think there's enough people in the general audience that might not even 662 00:36:49,199 --> 00:36:52,400 care about games Pass and still just will buy it out right or buy it 663 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,119 on a PlayStation, which we'll talk about the number comparison, Right, I 664 00:36:54,159 --> 00:37:00,679 don't know if there's enough people to bounce the the Okay, it's going from 665 00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:04,199 eighty dollars to twenty dollars, but there's so many people jumping in the games 666 00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:07,239 Pass. It's like myself, I was never gonna buy Call Duty, but 667 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,199 they're still getting my twenty bucks a month. Right, Oh maybe I'll download 668 00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:13,880 call Duty, sure, but you didn't get any more money from me. 669 00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:15,400 Like that's like, and that's where I think a lot of people that already 670 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,000 have games Pass. I think we've I think we're seeing other than Netflix, 671 00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:22,119 we're seeing a lot of these apps in movie and TV. They're like hitting 672 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:28,079 the roof the ceiling of what they can get because there's so many out there 673 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,679 they have to choose, right, And now we even have those numbers with 674 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:34,360 PlayStation Switch is still massive too, and theirs is not that bad. For 675 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,840 like a couple months of Xbox, you can get a whole year of Nintendo 676 00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,119 not even right, so Switch is like the best one. They don't provide 677 00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:42,639 the same ones. So if you want to just play online with your friends, 678 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,559 very cheap to do so for Nintendo, and that's great. That's nice 679 00:37:45,559 --> 00:37:49,679 and accessible. So I get why for they their point of view, they 680 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,480 feel they have to change this. I still feel like they should have done 681 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,679 the heel turn and just said we're not putting a call duty on games Pass 682 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,480 and people would have been mad. But I think they should have done that 683 00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:01,519 and then kept games passed the same way. But they're not. So we'll 684 00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:04,480 see if this works out, but I think, much like some of the 685 00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:07,199 other ventures they've tried it, it won't. I don't I don't know if 686 00:38:07,199 --> 00:38:09,119 you're gonna see a massive increase. I'm not gonna saying you won't see an 687 00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:13,239 increase. I'm sure you will. But is it just for that month, 688 00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:15,440 get called duty and then move on or what this? Even then, people 689 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,199 like to play online, and that's why I still feel like most of the 690 00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:22,639 people that have games Pass would all be already be your base that's buying Call 691 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:28,679 Duty, because I don't think people buy that game for the the story, 692 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,679 right, Like if Taylor, let's say Theaylor didn't have games Pass, if 693 00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:34,880 he buys it, he's playing multiplayer, right, so he would get the 694 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,239 I guess you said there is that the Xbox Live sort of tier, right, 695 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:40,920 So I guess yeah. So it's like, Okay, a few you're 696 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,280 gonna get maybe five bucks more from some people. I guess if you get 697 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,400 a bunch of people, obviously it does build up. But I just don't 698 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,719 think you get a bunch of people because I think the Venn diagram is very 699 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,920 similar to Games Pass user Call Duty user. Like Taylor, he is ultimate. 700 00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:59,079 Now what did you just do? You save Taylor sixty bucks? Great 701 00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,840 for Taylor, but Taylor every year is gonna and there's people that every year, 702 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,280 whether it's the hardcore Call Duty fans or we say this, like if 703 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,760 there's people in the mainstream that buy three to four games call Duty in a 704 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,760 sports game, sometimes are on those, right, it's like those maybe a 705 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,280 Last of Us, a Spider Man, maybe a Halo something like that. 706 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,239 So it's just like you look at Taylor, who every year is willing to 707 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,599 drop eighty one hundred dollars for him. What a deal. He's already paying 708 00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:28,039 Games Fast now nothing, it's no more money for him, So it's again 709 00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:30,239 great for us. I'm happy. I just the other thing is like, 710 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,960 why when people say, oh, they could never do the call duty thing 711 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,159 on not Games Fast, because that would be bad to me the way he 712 00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:39,159 pitches, Hey, we don't want to close more studios. We actually want 713 00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:42,400 people to be working for us and we want to fund them. And that's 714 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,159 the thing I worry of. If this doesn't work out, it's not gonna 715 00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:50,559 be called duty in those companies taste the kind of victory of or the taste 716 00:39:50,639 --> 00:39:52,800 well, I don't know what I'm trying to say. They're not gonna get 717 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,639 shit canned. It's gonna be people that are working on Indie one and they're 718 00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:58,960 gonna look at a flow chart and they're gonna say, well, you know, 719 00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:01,400 we bought this company, but people aren't really critically acclaimed, but they're 720 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,920 not buying the game on games Pass or they're not downloading it whatever. So 721 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,199 we're not gonna get rid of anything from Activision or any jones from Bethesda. 722 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,159 So you guys got to go and to me, that would have been the 723 00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:14,639 way to pitch it. Like we know we said what we said, but 724 00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:16,480 we also want to create games. We want to give people jobs. So 725 00:40:16,599 --> 00:40:22,199 we're doing this because we know this can facilitate creation of other games. Where 726 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:25,360 now it's just I feel like you're taking the I think call dude to Usually 727 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:29,800 if it's not number one, it's two or three of like in the top 728 00:40:29,840 --> 00:40:31,800 ten for money earners of a year, right, so it's just like you're 729 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,800 taking that. You're just you're slashing it. So I don't know, and 730 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,239 the game specific, like I said, the hot price likes, they won't 731 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,239 of course they bug me, but everybody's doing that. It's just it's just 732 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,039 what's happening right now. And if you don't want it, then just get 733 00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:45,480 it for a little bit and then unsubscribed, like just wait till that's what 734 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:49,360 we do right now, Like we just unsubscribe from Netflix we had for a 735 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,639 few months and saying to the crave for House Dragons, once that's done, 736 00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:54,039 we just boot it and then that that's what you gotta do. You gotta 737 00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:58,639 bounce the same thing. If a game's passed, just wait until there's stuff 738 00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:00,239 on there, there's an easy way to it sucks when they raise it. 739 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,840 Of course, I'm not trying to be like a corporate chill, but it's 740 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,760 just you just gotta have to be when you get it, make sure you 741 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,079 play the games you want, and don't just kind of forget that it's described 742 00:41:09,119 --> 00:41:13,239 because I think this is not the last time this will go up or anything. 743 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:16,280 So mm hmm. Yeah, I h a lot to lot to chew 744 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,000 on there, and so we'll get into all that. But yeah, for 745 00:41:20,039 --> 00:41:22,679 me, like what you just said, this this was this was the line 746 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:27,559 for me. I this might sound a bit dramatic, but I'll explain after. 747 00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:30,800 But I did. I did cancel my my subscription on the day this 748 00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:36,199 was announced to the service. And it's just because it's getting to a point 749 00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,239 where, you know, since I've had the console, Yeah, at most 750 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:43,360 I've like dropped from Ultimate down to like just standard or not standard, just 751 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,920 the console one, because I you know, I wasn't using the PC SID 752 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,400 or I didn't need the extra benefits that come with Ultimate, and so I 753 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,679 would kind of like change around. But for the most part, it was 754 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,920 at a price point where, like, you know what I'm using this so 755 00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:54,360 much, and it's nice to have that communists not have to worry about it. 756 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:58,119 So I just leave that subscription recurring. Yeah, and they had me 757 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,519 for years. Uh, I've been subscribed to it, but now it's at 758 00:42:00,519 --> 00:42:04,800 a price point where it's like, god damn, like twenty five bucks a 759 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,800 month essentially, we don't it's gonna work out to Canadian every single month like 760 00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:14,079 that is getting really aggressive. That's like three hundred dollars. That's like, 761 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,960 yeah, and it's getting to a point that's like a bit too ridiculous, 762 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:22,440 and just financially, I can't just afford to keep leave that on the recurring 763 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,880 at this point. So yeah, I canceled it because I'm not really playing 764 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,199 much. July, there's like a couple games coming on in game Pass, 765 00:42:28,199 --> 00:42:30,679 but like I don't need to play them day one, and then in August 766 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,840 I don't think there's anything really now it's coming out on game Pass in August, 767 00:42:34,639 --> 00:42:37,480 so there's some things coming on September. So yeah, I'll probably resubscribe 768 00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:39,199 in September. But that's where I'm gonna be with it now, where I'm 769 00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:43,400 gonna have it's annoying for me because I have to think about that if I 770 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,039 consciously think about when I want to cancel it and re renew. Of course, 771 00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:50,119 so from my perspective as a consumer, I'm annoyed because it's gonna be 772 00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:52,960 annoying, but that's just kind of where they're pushing me to. So yeah, 773 00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,559 honestly, for me, I think they're probably gonna lose more money on 774 00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:59,760 a yearly basis then they will gain. And obviously for the most part, 775 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,079 it's probably still gonna make the more money. Overall, I don't think everyone's 776 00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:06,400 gonna treat it the way I do. But I'm very much like you when 777 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,480 it comes to subscriptions, where like, yeah, Paramount when the Curse was 778 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:12,880 going on, or Halo subscribed as soon as it's done, cancel that we 779 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,800 like, as soon as we're done the Alien Retro Disney plus canceling that one. 780 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,079 At Netflix we didn't have for a while after the password sharing thing, 781 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,440 and so like we're always kind of wheeling then dealing with the latest what we 782 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,000 want depending on the shows that we're watching. And yeah, like game Pass, 783 00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:29,800 like it's it's just getting really really expensive, So I'm gonna be doing 784 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,239 that now too, And so yeah, I'm probably gonna unsubscribe here for a 785 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,960 couple of months because I'm not I don't need it much this summer, I 786 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,960 suppose, and then boom in September or something with some of these newer games 787 00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,000 coming out. If I'm really intrigued by them, that's when I'll pick it 788 00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,719 up again. Obviously when it comes to like avowed, like I need to 789 00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:46,559 play that one. And I mean, I don't know when they release DA 790 00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:50,039 of India. Is. I definitely get it when that comes out still, 791 00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:52,760 But like something like Call of Duty, I don't, I don't really care, 792 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,880 Like I wouldn't resubscribe to play Call of Duty. I've been saying that 793 00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,679 it's you know, since it's in the service, sure I'll do it. 794 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,920 But it's just getting a bit ridiculous. So yeah, I'm annoyed they're gonna 795 00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,519 lose money on me on a yearly basis. I'm gonna try and keep them 796 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,000 to that by like being you know, being really sure with the when I'm 797 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,239 subscribed and when I'm not. But that's too bad. And you know, 798 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,480 because here's the thing too, is like there the price is increasing. I 799 00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:19,920 think for the people who have recurring set up, it's increasing. In September 800 00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:22,239 so that's where it's Okay, why did I cancel it now? It hasn't 801 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,320 even gone up yet. But to me, it was almost just more of 802 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,440 a reminder of like, okay, I do have to be like this now 803 00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:30,440 with games Pass. So it just it just kicked in my head. I'm 804 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,440 like, Okay, cool, I'm gonna cancel it now because I don't need 805 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,519 this summer. Even if the price hasn't gone up, it's just gonna be 806 00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:37,000 at that point now. So I have that kind of mindset with it. 807 00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:40,119 But you can't play call duty with us? You know? What's that? 808 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,599 How are you even play call duty with us? You know? Well, 809 00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,280 war zones free, right, I can play that is No, don't you 810 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:50,559 still gonna have like the Lives? I guess you need core? Yeah, 811 00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:52,159 I think that's one. So I guess I'm not playing that with you guys, 812 00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:57,159 because that is not worth you know, twenty dollars a month for me, 813 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,559 you know, to like just just have access to that so you can 814 00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:02,280 jump too bad. But yeah, I'll have to be selective, like I 815 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,800 said, probably through the fall. I think there's enough things coming out that 816 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,320 I'll probably be subscribed in there. But that's just how it's I'll play out 817 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,159 Last Trials with you guys. I mean, I guess even then, I 818 00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,880 probably I need I need Core, So maybe I'll drop it down to Core 819 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,599 or something like that, Yeah, just to like have the ten dollars one 820 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,760 or something. But here's the thing is, like last you know, it's 821 00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,000 a while ago that they like made the I guess bid you could say, 822 00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,400 of Activision Blizzard, and then it was last Fall when it finally went through. 823 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,840 And since then they've only put one game on the service from that huge 824 00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:35,119 subset of like studios and IP that they own, and that was DABB before 825 00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:37,760 a game the IRI owned. So since they spent that seventy billion dollars, 826 00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:42,800 I have not as a consumer got a single benefit. And then they're increasing 827 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,519 the price before any other benefits come through. And there's rumors that like, 828 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:50,480 oh, some other older CALLI Dude games are coming to game Pass this month 829 00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:52,840 or soon, Like I don't, I don't know. I don't need those. 830 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,239 I don't need to go back and play like you know, uh whatever. 831 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,480 It was Modern War for a two remake from like two years ago. 832 00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:00,599 I don't. I don't need that right now. And I don't think there's 833 00:46:00,599 --> 00:46:02,639 that many. I think there's a few people that will check it out, 834 00:46:02,679 --> 00:46:07,360 but I just don't think, like, I don't know, I really don't 835 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,920 think that's a huge selling point out of the things that got you know, 836 00:46:09,039 --> 00:46:13,679 I think that's that's right. Just feel like I kind of hate the timing 837 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,679 and pacing of a lot of their actions this year, a lot of their 838 00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:21,760 choices in terms of increasing the price on this before putting that benefit to your 839 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,599 subscribers out Because maybe when you did a huge drop where you can drop fifty 840 00:46:25,639 --> 00:46:30,199 new Activision Blizzard games, all this every Call of Duty game that exists, 841 00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:34,800 all these other games that they own, benefits for Overwatch, benefits for growing 842 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,559 up. But look at all this stuff for yeah, like do all that, 843 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,440 maybe you'd get a huge influx of new people subscribing to game Pass that 844 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,239 would make it okay, cool, We don't actually need to increase the price 845 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,519 because a punch of people subscribe, But no one's gonna subscribe until you actually 846 00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:50,880 add the Like, none of those new people that you would potentially get, 847 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,920 they're not gonna subscribe until you put those benefits on the service. So to 848 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,920 me, it just seems like too soon for them to do this. And 849 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,519 obviously they want to do it before Call of Duty comes out out is I 850 00:47:00,559 --> 00:47:05,320 think the big reason for the timing. But the timing just feels off to 851 00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:08,840 me in terms of doing it at this time before those other benefits have come 852 00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,199 through. So I don't know. I just think that they kind of made 853 00:47:13,679 --> 00:47:15,800 a blunder or a mistake there, so we'll see what happens in the long 854 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,880 term. But yeah, it's just it's crazy because you're right, like it's 855 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,480 probably gonna go up again at some point too, and I don't know. 856 00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:24,679 For me, it's annoying that like ultimate of all the tiers have got like 857 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,960 hit the hardest, and the other ones are still reasonable, but then like 858 00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:31,679 they're all missing things that I personally want or want access to, so they 859 00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,039 kind of feel useless, Like as we were just talking about, maybe Core 860 00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:37,039 I would be subscribed to for a bit if I really want to play an 861 00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:40,360 online game, but that's like, I don't know, none of the other 862 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,400 tiers really make any sense for me as a user, so I just don't 863 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:45,519 like that I don't really have the options there. I wish there was more 864 00:47:45,519 --> 00:47:49,559 of like a customization angle to it, where it's like, okay, if 865 00:47:49,639 --> 00:47:53,199 it's already so confusing. Where there's four tiers, there's still console that exists. 866 00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:57,719 If you were already subscribed to that, that tier will still exist in 867 00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,880 perpetuity as long as you don't cancel that subscription at some point, you can 868 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:06,159 keep that going. So there's technically like four to five tiers that currently exist. 869 00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:07,920 Ife, like, at some point, can't we just get it to 870 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,440 a point where you can like customize your experience, where you can pick what 871 00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:14,239 features you want in each of them, and then like they'll essentially nickel and 872 00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:15,920 dime you. So like by default it's pizza, right, you get the 873 00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:21,039 maizza and then and then okay, I want online, so that's you know, 874 00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:22,760 two dollars, I want day one, or I want day one call 875 00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,159 of duty specifically, maybe that's an extra three dollars and that kind of thing. 876 00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:30,199 And I just wish there was more customization there in terms of making a 877 00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:32,519 subscription that's right for me and feels like a good price point, and that's 878 00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:36,280 where I would keep it at a price where it is reasonable, where I 879 00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,320 can keep it recurring not have to think about it. But then I'm not 880 00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:43,760 like overpaying for features that I don't care about. Do you think that there 881 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:49,840 is a world or a strategy in which they straight up have like a game 882 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,880 Pass Call of Duty tier or just like a subscription service not called game Pass. 883 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,119 I think they'd want to keep it branded as that, but like a 884 00:48:57,119 --> 00:49:00,840 subscription service tied to Call of Duty. I know there's like passes that exist, 885 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:05,480 but like followed seventy six has a subscription service, World of Warcraft, 886 00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:07,320 which they now own, of course, has always been a subscription service. 887 00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:12,320 Do you feel like that would have been a strategy or could be a strategy 888 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,760 going forward. I mean, Activision never did it, but I don't know, 889 00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,920 since game Pass and Xbox are really deep in this ecosystem of the monthly 890 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,760 subscription service, Like do you do you think that that could have worked like 891 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:27,239 a game Pass call of Duty or a Call of Duty subscription. I would 892 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,960 hope they don't do that for the like you or a te I guess it 893 00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:31,679 would be easy just games Past Call of Duty, but I did not want 894 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,559 to see like, oh, here's our game Past tiers and then six to 895 00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:39,079 seven different ones. I think something's possible as a subscription with Call of Duty 896 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:44,760 just purely call Duty based and branded, and it's more that they put it 897 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,199 out there. Of course Xbox going to retweet it, talk about it, 898 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,320 announce everything. But I would like it to be even if it's in the 899 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,280 vein of games Pass something by itself, because then it's just I know, 900 00:49:54,679 --> 00:49:58,800 call Duty is that big, so you could justify having its own thing. 901 00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:00,679 But again it's just for me, the clarity of it, and because then 902 00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:04,840 it'd be like, well do you not get call Duty stuff when you get 903 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,079 your main thing? And maybe Ultimate would say that, like you also get 904 00:50:07,079 --> 00:50:08,440 games Path or you know, call Duty games Pass, So I don't think 905 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,480 it's out of the realm possibility. I think I would prefer to be its 906 00:50:12,519 --> 00:50:15,800 own thing, but I think it is big enough that maybe, But I 907 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,920 guess again the same thing. It's just like, then do people that want 908 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,559 game Pass go Okay, I guess they get Called Duty, But it just 909 00:50:21,559 --> 00:50:23,960 feels like you're stripping Ultimate more and more of like, well you can get 910 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:28,880 the game here and the other stuff here, DLC packs here, So then 911 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,599 it's just like, okay, what am I? What am I paying for? 912 00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:36,159 Nowadays? You know? Yeah, yeah that makes sense. Let's see 913 00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:43,159 where did I want to go next on this? I feel like i'd something 914 00:50:43,199 --> 00:50:46,360 else with like the Call of Duty angle specifically. But yeah, I don't 915 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:51,679 know. I'm I'm pretty bummed about this news. I don't like that it 916 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,719 hasn't come with any sort of benefit to it yet. Uh, and it's 917 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,199 uh, it's it's pretty disappointing. I don't know. I just feel like 918 00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,599 they've they're getting to a point where it seems like the growth has slowed so 919 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:07,519 much on one, like the console sales side of it, but also the 920 00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:13,000 game pass like new subscribers, like that number doesn't seem to be dramatically going 921 00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:16,320 up, so instead they're just looking to like squeeze every last penny out of 922 00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,760 like the customers they already have, which I think could backfire, Like people 923 00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:22,199 like you, I think, even if it's not a full cancelation, it'll 924 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,400 be more Okay, I don't need to be doing this all time, because 925 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,960 that's that's what happens when you raise them too high, because it's okay, 926 00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,159 there's a certain price where you can justify even paying this all year round, 927 00:51:32,199 --> 00:51:35,800 but then eventually get to where okay, now it's not worth it. So 928 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:38,599 and I think I think it I think will backfire on them. You know, 929 00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:45,440 yeah, what with this new tier standard having uh not having access to 930 00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:50,599 day one games. How do we think that works? Like when this because 931 00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,360 it's not that tier's not out yet. I think it's like in the fall, 932 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:57,000 like prior to Call of Duty coming out. It will be released, 933 00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,840 which I think that's slated at the end of August, so yeah, sorry 934 00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:02,320 of October, so probably somewhere in September, I would guess, is when 935 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:07,039 this, this new standard tier is gonna populate, but with something like I'm 936 00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:10,000 gonna pull hell Blay two out because I came out in May. It was 937 00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:14,719 a day one release, uh, if you want to call it that. 938 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,440 At the time, we weren't using that moniker, I guess, like because 939 00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:21,679 it didn't really differentiate from anything, but now it will. So when that 940 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,599 tier launches in September, is hell Blay going to be included in that as 941 00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:29,360 an example? And then how long for something like a Vowed which will presumably 942 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,000 come on after this tiers launched. How long until that is considered not a 943 00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:36,960 day one release anymore? Yeah, and then it gets put into that rest 944 00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:43,119 of that catalog. I think if they don't put a descript on by time 945 00:52:43,159 --> 00:52:45,119 at launch as let's say it launches September fourth, right, and then it's 946 00:52:45,159 --> 00:52:50,599 like the week before, two weeks before, like okay, when Indian Jones 947 00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:52,440 gets here, it's for this amount of time and then eventual you get it, 948 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,840 so you know the way anything, I don't think they'll do that. 949 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:59,119 I think it'll just trickle on there, depending on how all the game's doing, 950 00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:00,639 because they don't want to say date, because let's say they say, 951 00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:02,800 oh, it's gonna take thirty days for a game to get there, but 952 00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,239 then it's still doing really well in the ultimate pass, and it's like, 953 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,719 well, we kind of shut ourselves on the foot. I think it was 954 00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,519 like kind of what we learned with theaters we've talked about before, right where 955 00:53:12,039 --> 00:53:15,920 theears before were or studios were saying doing the forty five day window, and 956 00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:17,760 then people learned and they just waited for VOD for a lot of these things. 957 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,440 And then I'll be like, why don't Peep come to theaters? Like, 958 00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,559 well, we know it's gonna be on streaming in three weeks, so 959 00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:27,840 let's just wait. Now the law of studios and that's that's killed Disney animation 960 00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:29,719 for a while. And Inside Out suting great, but for a while, 961 00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,039 Family's just new in three weeks, I could spend ten bucks and get this. 962 00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:36,679 So I think that's why it would be smarter than business wise, it's 963 00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:38,159 annoying for us because it's like, okay, yeah, win does it go? 964 00:53:38,519 --> 00:53:40,760 When is it turnout? Over? I could see something hell b like 965 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:45,239 being there because it's a bigger game for them, but not like like it's 966 00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,679 not anything that I think is gonna hurt anything, right, It's kind of 967 00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:51,800 like they can advertise that, but I think it'll be a case by case 968 00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,639 basis. I really do at the game, you know, because then if 969 00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:57,400 I flow ups and they just throw it there and see what happens. Yeah, 970 00:53:57,519 --> 00:54:00,199 I guess I kind of figured because they probably want to have some uniformity 971 00:54:00,199 --> 00:54:01,960 with it. I don't think they want it to be we're like, oh, 972 00:54:02,039 --> 00:54:05,880 yeah, this game is two weeks after this game's three months, this 973 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,320 game is two years. Like I think that, Like, I think maybe 974 00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,239 the differentiator could be Call of Duty has a set amount of time, and 975 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,519 then every other game has like the same set amount of time. Yeah, 976 00:54:15,559 --> 00:54:19,000 and so I figured it would. I guess it's probably gonna be in that 977 00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:22,639 same like standard exclusivity window, like a six months to a year kind of 978 00:54:22,639 --> 00:54:25,239 thing is typically when like, Okay, this is a PlayStation exclusive, but 979 00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,880 it's not first party. After one year, it'll go to other platforms, 980 00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:32,360 And so I kind of figure that that's what we would be looking at here. 981 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,400 I kind of feel like anything that is already out they will kind of 982 00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:39,039 include in there, like hell later, let's say, I don't know, 983 00:54:39,079 --> 00:54:43,199 I guess they I'm thinking that maybe for this new tier, they probably also 984 00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,880 want that to launch, like like they want Indiana Jones to come out after 985 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:50,440 this, So that is another one that they could try and swindle people with, 986 00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,559 because that's the thing is like, it's just it's so confusing right now. 987 00:54:52,559 --> 00:54:57,599 Where Core has a set of games that has like fifty games PC game 988 00:54:57,639 --> 00:55:00,280 Pass and Console game Pass, I've always had different because not every game that 989 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,239 is a PC game is also a console game, and so there's already a 990 00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,239 differentiation between the libraries there and then some things like only go to PC or 991 00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,880 only to console for whatever reason. But now we're having this where it's like 992 00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:15,800 standard and then the Ultimate tier and the access things that also includes EA play. 993 00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,480 It's already so confused in terms of Okay, what is in what tiers? 994 00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:22,280 Some things might be very straightforward. If it's like, oh yeah, 995 00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,039 Doom twenty sixteen, that's on everything, you don't have to think about it. 996 00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,079 But for other things, it's gonna get really confusing, especially with this 997 00:55:29,559 --> 00:55:32,400 new like day one release schedule thing. And I feel like I I I 998 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:37,440 imagine there's gonna be even potentially millions of people who hear, oh, call 999 00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:40,559 us on game Pass. Cool, I'm gonna get that. So they get 1000 00:55:40,599 --> 00:55:44,320 standard because it's called Game Pass Standards. Okay, cool, that's how you 1001 00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:45,559 play Call of Duty. And then they're gonna go in there. It's gonna 1002 00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:49,239 say, oh, you need to upgrade your tier, you can't download this 1003 00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,320 game, and then they'll okay, well, I've already bought in with fifteen 1004 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:53,679 dollars on And I feel like this is part of it, is they're trying 1005 00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:57,880 to like trick people into getting standard for it, but then oh, they 1006 00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,800 realize, oh, I have to upgrade to Ultimate if I want to get 1007 00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,599 called Okay, I've already gone this far. I guess I'll just do it 1008 00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:05,679 at this point. And I don't know, I just hate that as like 1009 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,280 a snake oil salesman type venture. But I just feel like that's kind of 1010 00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:14,280 what that's the kind of thing Xbox has been peddling lately. That's their I 1011 00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,719 think, so the crops. So I don't know. I really just that's 1012 00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,239 gonna piss people off too. That's not gonna make people happy. And then 1013 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:22,000 you know what, next year, they're gonna say, fuck it, I'm 1014 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,039 just gonna buy it on my PlayStation because that was an annoying process. Yes, 1015 00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:29,480 and I hate that. And you know, for them, they own 1016 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:30,920 it, so they'll still get the money, they'll still get the cut from 1017 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:37,480 that PlayStation sale, but they'd rather have people dedicated to their console buying their 1018 00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:40,000 buying their games there. So I don't know. I feel like for me, 1019 00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:44,280 I whatever the next Xbox consoles, I probably won't get it, like 1020 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,519 as I'm due to get a PC upgrade and that's probably where I'll play any 1021 00:56:46,519 --> 00:56:50,519 of those things for the next few years. But I'm kind of out on 1022 00:56:50,599 --> 00:56:52,320 like their next console. I don't really see a reason because I'm sure the 1023 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:58,280 series X that I have is gonna play like whatever their games are for quite 1024 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,880 a while. Like I feel like maybe older Scroll six is the only thing 1025 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:06,239 announced that would be not on this like generation and would be kicked to the 1026 00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,119 next one, but I no matter where that is, I will play that 1027 00:57:08,159 --> 00:57:12,280 game day one. I will spend one thousand dollars to play that game day 1028 00:57:12,280 --> 00:57:15,079 one because it's my favorite series. Right, So well, then if you 1029 00:57:15,119 --> 00:57:19,639 end up getting whether it's PC or exactly, I've always played all just Scrolls 1030 00:57:19,679 --> 00:57:22,159 on PC anyway, I don't want to play that on a console. So 1031 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:23,960 and that was the thing A PC, I guess makes more sense because like 1032 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:29,000 they have still been doing those but again with like if it is it is 1033 00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:30,360 stranger, then they want to make money making moves. But at the same 1034 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,800 time that it is situations where it's like, well but we're still going to 1035 00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,559 sell them on PlayStation because there's like you where it is Okay, I'm not 1036 00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:38,039 gonna do games past. I'll just buy on PlayStation. I have it, 1037 00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:42,679 so it's just our computer. So yeah, I don't know. My other 1038 00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,159 my other thought on in terms of like cause I mentioned earlier how I thought 1039 00:57:45,159 --> 00:57:50,880 the timing was kind of kind of bad on this change because the Activisi Blizzard 1040 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:52,360 stuff and they haven't put those games on the surface yet to see what the 1041 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,880 growth would look like there is. I kind of just feel like, man, 1042 00:57:55,960 --> 00:58:00,639 like they were right on the cusp of releasing a bunch of games, 1043 00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:04,360 like obviously Call of Duty is one, but like Doom, Dark Ages coming 1044 00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:07,320 out kind of soon avowed Indie, like a bunch of games, Like I'm 1045 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,159 sure that would have been opportunity for a ton of growth for the for their 1046 00:58:10,199 --> 00:58:13,960 things that I understand well call of Duty they want to get as many pennies 1047 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:15,559 as they can out of people from that. But I feel like that like 1048 00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:19,320 that fall season of all these games, I mean, Doom is probably next 1049 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,519 year, We're gonna say early next year or guaranteed next year. That's like 1050 00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:24,599 a nice swing and then leading into like Fable, Perfect Dark, New Gears, 1051 00:58:24,599 --> 00:58:28,960 stag K three, like a bunch of other like really pretty high pro 1052 00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:30,639 Maybe stated K is not high profile, but the other other ones are high 1053 00:58:30,639 --> 00:58:34,199 profile. So I feel like it's just I don't know. I feel like 1054 00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:38,039 they are bound to see a bunch of growth here, like without doing any 1055 00:58:38,159 --> 00:58:40,920 changes, and I wonder if any of this stuff is going to like turn 1056 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:45,840 people away. So I don't know. I once again, I just feel 1057 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,440 like the timing to some of these things is is not great. So I 1058 00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,360 think so because I felt like it was they had the bad stuff of the 1059 00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:57,559 layoffs. They had the games whatever game, Summer Games Fest, their presentation, 1060 00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:00,719 whatever you want to call it, and I think people are still trepidacious 1061 00:59:00,719 --> 00:59:02,320 because of what happened. Still was a good day of good showing for them. 1062 00:59:02,639 --> 00:59:05,800 And then I think this was just like kind of right back to that. 1063 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:07,559 Where's to me, not as bad as people losing their jobs. I 1064 00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:10,840 still think it's could result in people losing their jobs unforetuate loss. This doesn't 1065 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:15,719 work out well and you just get people unsubscribing instead of staying around and paying. 1066 00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:19,960 But that's the thing where it just it feels like Xbox they've been like 1067 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,920 this for a way a while, but it's just like the two steps forward, 1068 00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,920 five steps back, you know. That's the thing where And this was, 1069 00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,719 like I said, I was less than anger than other people, but 1070 00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,519 I felt like in general, especially from a lot of like the gaming community 1071 00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:34,440 that's more bigger in the commune, newer podcast stuff, it felt like it 1072 00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:36,800 was a very kind of big face plant thing. I was like, well, 1073 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,880 you know, I don't believe the you know, all press is good 1074 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:43,159 press. That's that's a lie, because there's many bad press things out there. 1075 00:59:43,159 --> 00:59:45,679 I feel like it's been bad since then, and like you said, 1076 00:59:45,719 --> 00:59:49,239 it would have been least better if they had a pitch of we're doing this 1077 00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,400 to help developers, We're doing this because we're gonna add a bunch of Activision 1078 00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,119 call duties, so like something along with it, other than just well or 1079 00:59:55,239 --> 00:59:58,679 hiking it up because you know why, because we have a lot of big 1080 00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:00,519 games out and we want to get you. It was yeah, it was 1081 01:00:00,599 --> 01:00:05,000 just right there in your face. So yeah. And then lastly, I 1082 01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:09,559 think they should have held off on releasing those four games on PlayStation and then 1083 01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:15,039 to them on switch that they did see If Thieves and what was it Grounded 1084 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:21,440 and Rush Hi Fi Rush and Pentiment. I think they should have held off 1085 01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,840 on that because, like I'm sure they did some I think they I saw 1086 01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:28,679 that See If Thieves like sold really well on PlayStation that month, Like I 1087 01:00:28,719 --> 01:00:30,639 don't know, did it soll enough to pay for Activision Blizzard at seventy billion 1088 01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:34,599 dollars? Yeah, not even not even close. I think they should have 1089 01:00:34,639 --> 01:00:37,039 held off on that too, because I think that already has put people on 1090 01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:38,800 a point where they're like, Okay, I don't really need an Xbox console 1091 01:00:39,159 --> 01:00:43,119 anymore, but I just feel like, man, this this fall for them 1092 01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:46,559 is really shaping up to be like a potentially really big fall season, and 1093 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,880 so I think maybe they should have held off on that too, because that 1094 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,440 maybe would have been a good time for to get people into that ecosystem. 1095 01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:57,559 Man, I can get Call Duty through game Pass day one. I'm buying 1096 01:00:57,559 --> 01:01:00,760 that console this fall season or this holiday. But now that they see that, 1097 01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:04,440 okay, well, I mean I guess they could already do their research 1098 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,280 and see that quality is still going to be on PlayStation and switch and things 1099 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,719 for years to come. But I don't know. Once again, just all 1100 01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,880 the timing is off here, and it makes me wonder how much of this 1101 01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,360 stuff is kind of just them scrambling last second, or how much of it 1102 01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:17,719 has been like, Okay, we have planned out the next five years and 1103 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:22,920 we're executing on that. Everything feels very reactionary to me. And they've kind 1104 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:27,039 of all but confirmed that, Yeah, we're bringing lots of the other games 1105 01:01:27,039 --> 01:01:30,639 to I mean, Doom is one of them that's coming to other consoles. 1106 01:01:30,679 --> 01:01:34,199 They've already confirmed, so yes, other things as well. As It's like, 1107 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,599 you just they're giving you so little reason to want their console anymore. 1108 01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:42,000 But then I also don't feel like they are making it up with providing enough 1109 01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,559 solutions for playing game pass elsewhere, like there are other there are cloud streaming 1110 01:01:46,599 --> 01:01:50,679 things, but that's gonna be limited based on people's like internet connections and where 1111 01:01:50,679 --> 01:01:53,679 they live. But yeah, like I feel like they really maybe before doing 1112 01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:59,079 some of this, they should have had some sort of game pass plan on 1113 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,320 U on a PlayStation or switch, but I mean, they have so little 1114 01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,760 control over that. But yeah, everything just feels very reactionary. And then 1115 01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,679 I'm still salty that they shut down, okay, and of course, well, 1116 01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:12,199 of course, yeah, that's what I'm excited for. You know, 1117 01:02:12,719 --> 01:02:15,280 hopefully we're all here fifteen and twenty twenty five years later, when we're so 1118 01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:20,679 far from this distance and there can kind of be whoever the Jason Schreyers of 1119 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,800 that day or I don't know, documentary, but whoever is the big covering 1120 01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:28,360 games? Like I want a timeline and just inside events of from that Xbox 1121 01:02:28,719 --> 01:02:31,960 E three reveal that starting them off a bad start too. Whenever. I 1122 01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:35,599 don't know what the end point is because I don't think the Xbox will necessarily 1123 01:02:35,639 --> 01:02:37,880 go away, but like obviously they're changing, Like I don't know what the 1124 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,119 end point is maybe, like, honestly, I'm not trying to say this 1125 01:02:40,119 --> 01:02:43,719 this way because I still think I don't want pe'll lose their jobs. But 1126 01:02:43,719 --> 01:02:45,840 I think if Phil doesn't go, there should be something there. Maybe it's 1127 01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:49,519 that Xbox to when Phil Spencer was there. And even if it's not him 1128 01:02:49,519 --> 01:02:51,480 directly right because I'm people have been like, oh, it could be worse 1129 01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:52,960 without him. Then I just hope one day we kind of get like, 1130 01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:58,000 okay, a bunch of people off the record or can be on because it's 1131 01:02:58,039 --> 01:03:00,679 been so long, what was it is you're making between here and here and 1132 01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:04,639 here? Because just a lot of it just doesn't make sense. They want 1133 01:03:04,639 --> 01:03:07,679 to be money hunger hungry and just like gobble everything up. But then there's 1134 01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:10,119 certain choices where like I said, they could have done that and they don't, 1135 01:03:10,199 --> 01:03:13,800 you know, and then it's it's odd. And there's times where it 1136 01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,360 feels like they want to make a big push, but then they cut themselves 1137 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,079 under there. There's times where I think they've stopped now. But they tried 1138 01:03:20,119 --> 01:03:22,719 to do the whole big console push with Terror flops at exclusive games, but 1139 01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,239 I think they've kind of It's always about games, past games, games, 1140 01:03:27,239 --> 01:03:30,880 passed, you know, so I would love a kind of tree of everything 1141 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:32,079 that's happened in like a few little reports. I think it's, like I 1142 01:03:32,119 --> 01:03:35,480 said many years away, because I think a lot of people have to retire 1143 01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,039 lead and I'm sure there's gonna be NDAs and stuff, but I'm very curious 1144 01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:43,480 about a lot of choices here because it feels like they're kind of a you 1145 01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:45,360 know, master of none. I guess they're doing a lot of things, 1146 01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:52,199 but I don't think anything's particular working because I think before the answer always was, 1147 01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:54,199 well, games pass is gonna work, and I don't think it has. 1148 01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:57,559 And then they they have gone down subs too, So I think that's 1149 01:03:57,599 --> 01:03:59,920 the thing where, Okay, if games pasts would have worked out, then 1150 01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:01,519 eureka, you get all the money, you're good to go. But because 1151 01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:04,719 it hasn't, now there's like a big trickle down. So I know it's 1152 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:10,360 fascinating stuff coming from them sometimes. Yeah, And that's leading into our just 1153 01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:15,639 final topic here, which is just kind of a check in on the consoles 1154 01:04:15,679 --> 01:04:21,199 sales and essentially that the Xbox series has currently fallen behind the pace of the 1155 01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:27,440 Xbox One generation in terms of sales, whereas on the opposite side of things, 1156 01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:32,960 PS five is currently outpacing the PS four, which is just insane to 1157 01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:36,920 me on on both these counts, I mean less so on the Xbox ships 1158 01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:42,000 because they just can't seem to get that momentum right, and they really had 1159 01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:46,119 such a lack of exclusive games near the launch of the console, Halo getting 1160 01:04:46,159 --> 01:04:49,320 delayed and delay delayed and then being in the state that it was at launch, 1161 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:53,159 and now it's in a really, I think, pretty healthy spot, 1162 01:04:53,199 --> 01:04:56,639 but it's not you know, a Monster tier game like some of these other 1163 01:04:56,679 --> 01:04:59,920 things that are out there. But yeah, I think once again it's like, 1164 01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,760 man, they had such a potentially good next year or at least second 1165 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:08,360 half of this year fall and like they've already had some decent releases this year 1166 01:05:08,719 --> 01:05:12,840 and in the last year in terms of exclusive stuff that I feel like it's 1167 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,079 gonna be harder and harder for them to pick up the pace on the console 1168 01:05:15,159 --> 01:05:17,519 sales. And once again, like maybe that's not even a metric that they 1169 01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:23,280 obviously they care about it, but I think it's it's a less meaningful number 1170 01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,400 in a sense than if we'd compare like Xbox One sales to three sixty just 1171 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:30,440 because they're more about getting the money to the subscription than they are the console 1172 01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:34,079 in general and having people like buy those games out right. But uh yeah, 1173 01:05:34,119 --> 01:05:36,800 it's it's a pretty weird thing to see, just because I feel like 1174 01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:44,719 this console has had way wait wait, Like Xbox One had a Sunset Overdrive 1175 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,440 and what was out of their game rise Son of Rome it had. I 1176 01:05:48,519 --> 01:05:53,840 had a Halo, a Halo that people don't really like, maybe two halos, 1177 01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,119 and that's it. Like I can't even think of other exclusive games, 1178 01:05:58,159 --> 01:06:00,119 like I had nothing for like a whole generation. It was really really bad, 1179 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,760 and I feel like the series X has already that crushed it comparatively, 1180 01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:08,320 and they have tons of things in the pipeline here, but it it just 1181 01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:11,119 shows that it doesn't really matter. Maybe that's because the landscape, but it's 1182 01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:15,360 a landscape that they manufactured by, you know, converting it more to this 1183 01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:19,079 monthly subscription rather than the meaning of having a console and a big game release, 1184 01:06:19,159 --> 01:06:23,920 right well, And I think that's I think both are showing how much 1185 01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,119 it doesn't matter. The Xbox One doesn't surprise me, but the PlayStation one 1186 01:06:27,119 --> 01:06:30,920 did because I knew they are one selling Xbox by I think it's usually number 1187 01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:33,440 like one to five or something like that. It could be even one to 1188 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,880 six. But it's like that I figured it, and I figure they're still 1189 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,840 doing well, because that was always thinking. I think we talk about maybe 1190 01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,039 last month or at some point some sales came out. It was like I 1191 01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:46,039 think the past year or so, i'd say twenty twenty four. There's because 1192 01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:49,400 the lack of exclusives, there was like this narrative like, oh, PlayStation's 1193 01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:54,719 doing really not poor, but they're on kind of the back foot. But 1194 01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,840 then some sales came out and we were like, oh, I guess it's 1195 01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,239 still doing well. And now when you look comparatively, i'm very so probably 1196 01:07:00,239 --> 01:07:03,000 because the PS four had such a hot run, Like it wasn't the launch 1197 01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:06,039 of it, but Piece four came out, and then I think it's vibe 1198 01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:10,800 of it. It just it just felt good to be a PlayStation fan. 1199 01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:13,360 And then within the two years, maybe I could be wrong by fake. 1200 01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,840 Within the two years the play station came out, that's when we got that 1201 01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:19,159 showcase of dreams, right that PlayStation where revealed everything. So they were on 1202 01:07:19,199 --> 01:07:23,079 a roll. But I think that's where this shows more so Xbox Yes, 1203 01:07:23,159 --> 01:07:25,920 because they are focused on the streaming stuff. But I think it's just the 1204 01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:30,440 narrative of you know, I've said this PlayStation now won them out pacing. 1205 01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:32,920 That's odd to me, but I think it's just that they're now the go 1206 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,760 to And I think the only reason now they're out pacing is because, let's 1207 01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,800 say, the love from the PS four is bringing all those people from the 1208 01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,639 PS four back to the PS five. Yes, so now the people that's 1209 01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:45,639 yeah, so the MENI moundum to me kept them the same. I think 1210 01:07:45,639 --> 01:07:48,039 if they had some big games, they'd be even going. But this thing 1211 01:07:48,119 --> 01:07:51,800 is, I think those other sales are just coming from the people that left 1212 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:56,159 Xbox between one and the X and that's where it is. Because I think 1213 01:07:56,199 --> 01:08:00,639 PlayStation now, I'd always never include switch because I think which is a very 1214 01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:04,840 Nintendo's on its own island, and it's like doing fantastic, like it's it's 1215 01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,800 like a it's a whole different type of spectrum with it, can I think, 1216 01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:11,760 appeal to a lot more people even than the PlayStation. Right to me, 1217 01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:16,359 a PlayStation or Nintendo can be seniors, adults, preteens, kids, 1218 01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:21,039 or PlayStation I think is more of a like a I'll say fourteen and up 1219 01:08:21,119 --> 01:08:24,279 right, of course, I know an eight year old kind of PlayStation, 1220 01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:28,279 but I fact Nintendo is that like everybody paying at the time you mentioned that, 1221 01:08:28,359 --> 01:08:30,640 like they're just they're looking to patch that gap right now with Astro and 1222 01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:35,119 the Horizon Lego games. So they're even trying to start building that next generation 1223 01:08:35,199 --> 01:08:40,720 of PlayStation fans so that keep those generations strong going forward. Right. Yeah, 1224 01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,079 And like I said, I think we said that I said last month 1225 01:08:43,079 --> 01:08:45,159 when we talked about the sales and just in general being a broken record. 1226 01:08:45,159 --> 01:08:49,159 I think PlayStation is just a go to. It's just like back and you 1227 01:08:49,199 --> 01:08:53,880 know, back in that twenty sixteen to twenty nineteen era, all's Marvel movies 1228 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,479 making a billion dollars. So I was just like, if you saw a 1229 01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:57,920 Marvel logo, well we'll go see that one. It's like, well, 1230 01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:00,359 there's a fox X men, there's a DC but you see that Marvel logo. 1231 01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:03,319 Oh no, that's that's the one that's we're gonna spend money. You 1232 01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:06,319 just depend on it. I think what will be interesting is the sales of 1233 01:09:06,399 --> 01:09:10,520 PS six because but I also don't think so, because I think PS five 1234 01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,199 is gonna have like a good back half, like I think there's gonna be 1235 01:09:13,239 --> 01:09:15,239 a lot of good games coming. Like I know we're near the end of 1236 01:09:15,239 --> 01:09:18,119 that cycle, but that's pretty smart too. And I think they're gonna do 1237 01:09:18,199 --> 01:09:23,520 this exact same thing they did with the four, where the for as much 1238 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,520 as I said it might not work, that's a tras toll. You're wrong. 1239 01:09:27,039 --> 01:09:29,560 It didn't matter that they did a lot of the PS four PS five 1240 01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,439 games, right, because they made a lot of MONEYMPS four, and then 1241 01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:35,159 the sales if they're outpacing the PS four, it's like, well what I 1242 01:09:35,239 --> 01:09:39,079 thought didn't matter, and they should do. Yeah, they weren't act exclusive 1243 01:09:39,079 --> 01:09:42,199 games, but people are so bought into that ecosystem and they know that Okay, 1244 01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:44,159 I even not gonna play this my PS four, I might as well 1245 01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:45,319 get the PS five down, play the best version of it, because there's 1246 01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:49,760 gonna be all these other sequels that I want, and just that that faith 1247 01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,840 that they're also gonna bring in some new fresh ips and just make it a 1248 01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:58,239 place to I don't know, play those kinds of really high prestige games, 1249 01:09:58,279 --> 01:10:02,800 high budget games, games that are very consistent in their quality, which obviously 1250 01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:08,119 leads into them having consistent sales because people just know they're reliable. And again, 1251 01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:11,159 I think the one thing that could have hurt them is what Xbox didn't 1252 01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:14,079 do. And I'm happy because I'm a PlayStation user. I'll probably have both. 1253 01:10:14,119 --> 01:10:17,000 But we'll see, because I don't need a reason to is they they'll 1254 01:10:17,039 --> 01:10:21,000 get all those games presumably eventually, right that at least some of those other 1255 01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:26,119 ones where we've talked about like Elder Scrolls and you know, I can't like 1256 01:10:26,199 --> 01:10:29,239 Call Duty like some of there might be some of course like dated or maybe 1257 01:10:29,239 --> 01:10:31,880 they will be exclusive, but I'd say, so far like the biggest ones 1258 01:10:32,359 --> 01:10:35,640 have been are very likely are going to come over. Such thing where if 1259 01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,319 you would get to p A six and say, hey, you're not getting 1260 01:10:39,319 --> 01:10:42,760 Bethesda games, You're not getting Activision games, no Call Duty, then I 1261 01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,399 could say, okay, you've now more of a reason to be like, 1262 01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,560 man, should I maybe go that route? But now you really don't. 1263 01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,840 So I was still surprised what was outpacing. I thought it was still doing 1264 01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:57,319 well. I think people have kind of miss h what is it? What's 1265 01:10:57,319 --> 01:11:00,880 the expression? Greatly exaggerated their demi appeal. They all it's like it's not 1266 01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:04,560 in trouble And now I think they've just established that unless they have a very 1267 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:09,399 bad misstep, I think if they can just keep they roll exactly like this 1268 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:13,079 a big game even what because what do we get this year Spider Man and 1269 01:11:13,079 --> 01:11:15,920 what else for PlayStation? Really it's a big, big game, like in 1270 01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:18,199 the last twelve months. I mean you're just even this year just twenty twenty 1271 01:11:18,199 --> 01:11:23,479 four, right, yeah, I mean you got Fantasy Rebirth, You've got 1272 01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:27,000 Rise of their Rown, and you got Stellar Blade as like some smaller ones 1273 01:11:27,039 --> 01:11:29,439 specific Yeah, so you've got some interesting ones, but really was it was 1274 01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:31,479 just Final Fantasy if we're talking Spider Man, right, or it was that 1275 01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,720 last year? That was last year? Oh my god. Yeah, So 1276 01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:38,279 like to me, at this rate, they're going they really just need like 1277 01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:41,119 two Bay exclusive games a year, want to start the year one end of 1278 01:11:41,079 --> 01:11:44,319 the year, And I think they're fine unless something big changes, and that's 1279 01:11:44,359 --> 01:11:47,840 where I think that that'll work out. I will see what Astrobot is a 1280 01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:50,720 big one, yeah, because that was the thing that they I think for 1281 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:55,920 some people because yeah PlayStation they had announced like what they or they didn't really 1282 01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,239 announce it, but it's just things from investor meetings where they were aiming for 1283 01:11:59,279 --> 01:12:02,800 a certain goal of consoles sold in this calendar year or something, and it's 1284 01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,720 like, but they're like really far from that goal. But it's like, 1285 01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,800 Okay, it was a pretty lofty goal and they didn't have a lot coming 1286 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,239 out, so it's like, that's not really the demise of a console. 1287 01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:15,600 It's just like kind of weird that they had that idea in terms of sale 1288 01:12:15,680 --> 01:12:17,720 numbers. And I guess they have Concords coming out soon, so we'll see 1289 01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,399 how that does for them. Yeah, that's that's a loss right there. 1290 01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:25,560 Yeah, but yeah, I mean I think that even if this is like 1291 01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:28,159 a softer year for them, it's like, Okay, for a softer year, 1292 01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:31,039 that's still a decent calendar worth of games really when it's all said and 1293 01:12:31,039 --> 01:12:33,960 done, because people seem to really accelerablated obviously, any Final Fantasy is a 1294 01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:38,800 big deal. Astrobot looks amazing a new audience for that, and then you 1295 01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,600 know, for people, there's a lot of people who will be into Concord 1296 01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:45,239 even if it won't you know, be the new Overwatch could be, I 1297 01:12:45,239 --> 01:12:47,680 guess, but I find that a little unlikely. But yeah, it's like 1298 01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:51,800 that's still pretty decent. And then like next Year, Desk, Stranding two 1299 01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:58,560 potentially Wolverine, and then some studios have been quiet for a while, like 1300 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:03,039 the Sucker Punch for example, or the Day's Gone Studio what are they called 1301 01:13:03,079 --> 01:13:06,600 again, Bend Studio Bend. Yeah, and there's always Ghost to Shushima, 1302 01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:10,880 like somewhere around there, you know, Like I don't know when that's coming, 1303 01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:13,920 but it's like there's always whether it's next year that you're after, even 1304 01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,279 if it's just those three and you mentioned a couple of others, but just 1305 01:13:15,279 --> 01:13:18,239 even those three, those are some of their bigger ones too, So it's, 1306 01:13:18,359 --> 01:13:23,439 uh, yeah, I think it'll all work out somehow. So yeah, 1307 01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:27,119 I think so. Any I don't know any other thoughts on this. 1308 01:13:27,159 --> 01:13:30,079 I feel like we've been pretty thorough with this breakdown here, which is it's 1309 01:13:30,079 --> 01:13:32,119 a good one to do it a little check in every once in a while 1310 01:13:32,119 --> 01:13:36,239 on these kinds of things, especially with the the changes to Game Pass. 1311 01:13:36,319 --> 01:13:40,840 But I don't know. I'm I'm pretty hope. I'm looking forward to the 1312 01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,640 second half of this year. There's a lot of fun things releasing outside of 1313 01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:46,079 all this this other news that we're talking about, so I'm looking forward to 1314 01:13:46,079 --> 01:13:47,720 it. And then I don't know, I think we're set up for like 1315 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:51,119 next year being another big, big year in the year after that. Like, 1316 01:13:51,119 --> 01:13:54,079 I feel like there's a lot of things announced right now and it's really 1317 01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:57,920 just waiting for things to come out or maybe like ghosts, hum, it's 1318 01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:00,520 not announcement. Okay, we know it's coming. We know it's out there 1319 01:14:00,520 --> 01:14:01,840 in the eighth the somewhere. Yeah, I know. I always love looking 1320 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,439 at the business stuff, seeing what's going on because that kind of tracks like 1321 01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:09,640 what decisions people make, even with Xbox when we go okay, we don't 1322 01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,920 know exactly, we know little things like okay, this goes up because they 1323 01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:14,880 want to try and sell be call duty, right, So it's like you 1324 01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,520 get to see kind of the tea leaves of what's going on. But uh, 1325 01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:20,720 yeah, there's a lot of exciting stuff. I think we I think 1326 01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:25,600 we have this confirm for you and me and that the guys next week along 1327 01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:29,199 with the draft, are we doing the switch up of games? Right? 1328 01:14:29,279 --> 01:14:31,279 So yeah, we'll do if we make all four are there, Yeah, 1329 01:14:31,319 --> 01:14:34,239 so that'll be pick or change games. We can do that at that point. 1330 01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:38,359 Yeah. So no, there's lots of exciting stuff, and again I'll 1331 01:14:38,359 --> 01:14:42,000 be excited in the fall because I same way as I was wrong about the 1332 01:14:42,039 --> 01:14:45,640 PS four and PS five thing, Maybe this does work with game pass and 1333 01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,479 it's the secret where there is that many people that have Call Duty that will 1334 01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:50,720 just go and go, hey, I buy it once a year, but 1335 01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:54,520 I'm gonna get the money here this way. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it 1336 01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:56,199 won't be like you say, where it's like, oh, they get on 1337 01:14:56,239 --> 01:14:58,840 there and they're confused. In fifteen twenty five, maybe it's just gonna be 1338 01:14:59,159 --> 01:15:01,880 boom and they get to talk about record. I'm sure they still will, 1339 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,520 but it's about the numbers of it. I don't want to hear oh, 1340 01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:08,920 record weekend because I'm sure because Call Duty, but by how much is a 1341 01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,720 record? By a huge amount? It was like, oh yeah, five 1342 01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,640 percent now, But that's where I'm excited to see. Maybe I'm wrong because 1343 01:15:14,840 --> 01:15:16,079 as we just holdout the PlayStation, I think that thing worked out. I 1344 01:15:16,079 --> 01:15:19,239 thought they were shooting themselves on the foot by putting Go Out of War here 1345 01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:24,119 and Miles there and everything, but it worked out. So maybe maybe Xbox 1346 01:15:24,159 --> 01:15:26,840 will get a big win from this and this will show, Okay, this 1347 01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,439 method will work. I don't think so, just because like looking at the 1348 01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:31,760 history of what they've moved, but that's why you never know in the industry. 1349 01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:36,800 So we'll we'll if the touch basin fall out for that, so yes, 1350 01:15:36,840 --> 01:15:41,520 definitely yeah, And with that's that's that's the episode right there. Thank 1351 01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:44,000 you everyone for listening, Thank you Travis for joining me. This is a 1352 01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:46,199 fun one. Next week welling back for another juicy side post episode with the 1353 01:15:46,199 --> 01:16:16,920 whole gang, so look forward to that. We'll see you then, Bye bye.