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You're listening to the Getting Salty Experience
podcast. Hello, Hello, Susie,

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I did it, I said,
hello, I did. What what's the

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cash this holiday season? Hot?
Just up the casino? What the turtle

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guys send you some cash? You
know? Getting on the gig? Here?

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You a new rug? What are
you going on up there? Bro?

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Anybody needs a rug around here?
You know what? Let's not less

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not as I was, I in
a bag on and the kids were decorating

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Christmas tea. They wanted to play
Daddy trivia game? How much they knew

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about daddy? And my daughter says, I got one? When did dad

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go bold? What year was it? They were all trying to figure out,

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well he had hair at his wedding
day? And then when the fool

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came out, that's when you went, oh no, my friend, Oh

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no, ROUGHI nos, bro,
I had the whole mullet going on old

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business in the front, party in
the back. Is that how it goes?

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They were good at the good old
days? How was your Thanksgiving?

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There? Rough? Very nice?
Quiet? It was good. Yeah.

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What do you want to have there? The truth? Bull? What COVID

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she had? She had strapped?
Oh that's bad too. So you can

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go you No, we didn't go
down. What did you do? We

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had uh, we had to buy
our house. He made those funny roasted

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red peppers. They used to hang
from your mirror. The water off the

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evil spirits. Listen, I got
one right here. It's a little beat

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up back to my right there can
you guys? You gotta have the big

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red one, brod Why you don't
have that? You don't have your family?

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Yeah? I had a good I
had a good fried two turkeys,

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bro came out. You like not? Nope. I had a lot of

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Asians running around. It was good
stuff. Man. You know, it

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surprised me to no rice at this
time. Usually there's rice at every you

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know, all the festivities. Nothing
beans, nothing rough beans, just the

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rice white right. They were.
I don't know how they overlooked the rice.

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But don't figure. One other day
I dragged myself and I dragged myself

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into a coma and passed out on
the couch. It's a common theme here.

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Make you a bad person, that
friend of me. I don't think

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I I told these guys made a
new drink up. I get uh this

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pair? What I say which Brent
absolute? Pair absolute with diet ginger all.

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Bro, you don't even know that
you're hitting you sugarclude? Was that

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a cracker? I said, sugar
free ginger ale? But it's still loaded

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with something in it. Make a
taste, it's loaded with something. All

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right, let's get let's get this
some its here. Bro, all right

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here, you know what you're gonna
be here? Are you jetting out on

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Thursday? Is that what? Thursday? All right? So Roofie will be

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out again, playing on the fudd. I am working a new ear.

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You look like get an earring hanging
or something. Maybe it's a new jill,

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you know, like something about Mary
the other ear, the other ear.

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Oh you know what, My My
things are falling apart. All the

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blood is coming off it to the
end. Come on, man off.

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Yeah, alright, here we go, paycheck to paycheck. Yeah bro,

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I'm gonna fix it. Know listen, we're on you know. I don't

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want that at me, bro,
Yeah you goddamn yeah. Anyways, work

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on a new Roofie. So it's
I always feel like he's watching me,

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let's bring these guys in. But before

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they do, I want to throw
this stat at you, brothers. These

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guys this is what this is why
fireman amaze me, Bro, because they

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come up with ingenie's stuff. Right
what a let's say, necessity is the

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mother of invention. Let me just
tell you what we all know about these

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lithium ion battery fires. Bro,
But I'm gonna give you some mustatsia.

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In New York City alone since twenty
twenty one up fifteen hundred percent, injuries

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from lithium ion batteries up six hundred
and eighty six percent, and death's up

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two thousand, six hundred and seventy
five percent. So what does it do?

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What do the brothers do, Bro? They come up with an invention

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to help fight these fires. So
without further ado, we'll have Roofie my

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man here, bring him in.
Let's get him in. I went to

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the stage from the Turtle Fire Systems
Company. We got Buddy and Scott.

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So that's a buddy monsterla On Hayes
and it's get my That's what it was,

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Wendom. But before we get it, welcome to the show fellos,

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we're gonna get into your career,
but of course first we have to get

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patriotic. So John, do you
think, Buddy, here we go.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of
the United States of America and to the

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Republic, which it stands, one
nation under God, indivisible with liberty and

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justice for all, still the best
country in the history of the world.

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Yes, And before we get started, but if you don't mind, before

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we get started, we have a
birthday in the In the chat there,

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miss Tilly, I wish the happy
birthday on Facebook. Happy birthday. You

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know I should have done hello to
tell you. I figured I was am

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so sorry about that, but I
wanted to wish happy happy birthday, Tilly.

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We loved it all right. Let's
get it to Buddy poncetele On.

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I call him punk tili On because
he's got twenty years on the job and

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a busy It looks like he still
has the paper that that's how young he

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looks. Brothers like he's riding around
his bike with the baseball cards and his

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pokes from papers on people's lawn.
You know, how do you do it?

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First of all, that tells how
he would stay looking so young before

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we talk about turtle Schmertel, tell
me how you stayed to look at so

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young, Bro, I told you. I go to Saint Augustine, to

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the Fountain of Youth. Right,
his sister lives down there, Bro,

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he's got twenty years poltices gentlemen on
the Jersey City Fight Department where they do

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some work there. We had on
turpak right rough, and I can get

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somebody else now, yeah, we
had a partridge from Jersey. Oh no,

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was he from Newark? I forget? Yeah, all right, but

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it tell us about your career a
little bit, your captain, now,

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right where you started, when you
got on et cetera, et cetera,

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et cetera. Let's get the build
up here. Yeah. So I started

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in O three, I got uh. I got sent to has Met my

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first two years, which sucked,
but I learned some things. What did

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you do wrong? Would you pull
low Man on the totem pole? I

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guess, But yeah, I got
sent there for the first two years,

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and oddly enough that has Matt stuff
is actually helping me out now because this

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is all this lithium eye on stuff. It's all happening, you know.

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So I remember I had to dig
deep a little to remember some of that

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stuff, but it was you know, it was still there. So yeah,

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then I spent most of my career
at Engine ten. We had ten

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engine and twelve truck on Halliway Street
and Jersey City. Very It was the

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second oldest house in the city.
It got condemned about six years ago.

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It was built eighteen seventy. I
believe I had some history. Horse and

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carriage, all tough, so pretty
cool history to the house. They're currently

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in the process of trying to restore
it to get it back in service.

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Where are the companies now, We're
relocated to temporary firehouse for now. Okay,

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Yeah, so Chief Mike Turpak spent
his early days there and he was

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with my old captain, Captain Mark
League. I got rested, solely passed

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away and he passed from nine to
eleven illness. Yeah, that's him in

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the middle there. He was my
mentor, broke me in, showed me

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the ropes. Great dude. Ran
A had a toy drive for twenty years

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in the city, helping all the
needy kids in the city. And you

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know, he did it up until
the day passed. So it was a

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great mans. When when did you
start studying? Do you have a lieutenant

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and captain or you know? Our
city did away with the lieutenant rank a

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long time ago. Not sure of
why, probably political stuff, but above

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my pay grade. Yeah, they
we go firem at the captain a bit

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of a crazy jump, but we
have no lieutenant ranks. So but I

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got promoted in twenty eighteen, so
I got you know, where do you

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what company do you have? You
aut Luckily enough some of the guys gave

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me, threw me a bone.
Let me get my old company back.

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Oh wait, wait, luckily enough, Lou Lou, it was sheer luck

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that that happened. Yeah, yeah, just by chance. Still like we

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got somebody back in ten can we
get oh, let's get pods back on?

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Yeah, actually in the engine again. So yeah, you're not even

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in the truck you're in the engine. Wow, yeah yeah, yeah,

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engine it's being all away this guy, bro. Yeah. I've had some

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good fires on the truck on overtime
and mutuals and stuff like that, but

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most of most of my career was
a engine engine company. All right,

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all right, what about you Scott
hey guys. Yeah, I came on

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right after Buddy I came on in
two thousand and five. It's my eighteenth

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year now, and unlike him,
my uncle was a battalion chief in Jersey

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City and made sure I didn't start
off it has Matt. He got me

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right to heed. Yeah. Yeah. Went to a really great house in

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midtown Journal Square area. It's fifteen
engine on Sip Avenue. We got nine

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truck in there with us, so
it's a nice double house. Same thing,

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one of those old houses with the
uh all that history carriages right out

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the side. Used to be a
deputy chief firehouse as well when we had

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two divisions. So we've been doing
that and be on the pumper my whole

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career in nineteen years. Bring the
same spot the whole time. Yes,

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sir, I know you stay out. They stayed through there. Yeah.

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No, I like it too because
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it was nothing but you know,
wood frame, and now it's becoming

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a high rise district. They're putting
up fifty sixty's an eighty super under construction

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right now. So kind of enjoying
the change. It's kind of like I

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thought I was wasn't gonna like it, but yeah, like a little hipster

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community there right right under water,
Like that's downtown, downtown downtown. Yeah,

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yeah, I'm in Like what is
like I said, was like the

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midtown section with the tallest building was
it? Buddy? Was a port authority

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eleven stories? Now it's eighty.
Yeah, it's crazy. Now much district?

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Are what's that? Are you driving
now, Scott? You drive all

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the time, your chauffa you uh
yeah, the way we do it in

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Jersey City as we rotate, everybody's
a chauffeur. So uh it's just every

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fourth tour at your day. Does
you get narrow the faster you go?

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Actually, yes, I take chances, Scott, tell me might have a

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shirt like that. You might want
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down there. Yeah, I want
I wanted to add something, guys.

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So a funny story about my old
Captain Mark Lee. I'm gonna put this

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up here. Could you see the
helmet there? Bring it up a little

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bit, let's see. Can I
get yes? All right? Yeah?

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So funny story. So when we
first started working with this device, Tesla,

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all the car manufacturers were like copious
amounts of water, copious amounts of

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water. So we were trying to
we took the Breslin and we took the

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math from the Breslin right the four
a minute at one hundred psi, So

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we took that. So we finally
got to that four ninety five. One

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day, me and Scotti were static. We were like, we finally got

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it because it was a lot of
like going back and forth trying to keep

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the pressures at a good you know, operating pressure. So finally I'm sitting

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home one night and I was like, why is this forour ninety five?

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Of like clicking in my head it
was my old captain's badge number. Really

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yeah, So I called this family
up and I was like, would you

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guys mind if I put it on
the logo for this? And they love

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the idea, So a little little
story behind that. That's cool. So

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who actually came up and how did
it come about? Like that you guys

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were going to create this, So
I was I wasn't working for We had

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our first ev fire. It was
in a car plant car warehouse and they

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shipped the car. It was a
brand new car, eighty thousand dollars car

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I won't say to make came into
the warehouse and music. What's that?

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You could sneeze it. Oh,
So I wasn't personally there. My deputy

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chief for I'm close with He told
Chief Menendez, Jersey City has been awesome

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with me throughout this process. He
has he basically filled me on on the

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whole process of what they what they
experienced. And this fire was in a

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Class two building. The fire was
hitting the steel up top, so he

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had to start cooling the structure first
and then deal with the car fire.

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They were just putting water underneath the
water underneath. They actually tried foam.

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This was what was this February twenty
twenty two, so it was fairly pretty

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new still, you know, like
people didn't understand exactly what they were dealing

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with with these things. So they
actually grabbed it with a forklift and pulled

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it out of the building. And
he said the only thing the foam helped

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with was sliding the car out of
the building. Yeah. So after that,

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I talked to him for a bit
and I was thinking, what am

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I going to do if I pull
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So I started messing around with the
bresl and I put it on a

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two and a half and I pulled
it under the car to see if it

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would fit. It got some water
to the area we needed. But you

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know, it wasn't ideal in all
situations. Plus you had to worry about

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the hose burning through and all that
stuff. So but it was something.

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So he pushed me, My chief
pushed me. He said, you're onto

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something here. That concept is great. You got to come up with a

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prototype. So I didn't know where
to start. I went to home depot.

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I'm, you know, trying some
different things out, and he helped

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me through the process a little bit, and then I finally got a steel

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end cap like looked like a steel
bowl, got a bandsaw cut it,

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welded a plate to the bottom,
and then drilled through three steel started drilling

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the holes through. We started with
a low amount of holes and then figured

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to work our way up so we
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my buddy is showing Prince Engine twenty
two Jerry City. Uh. He helped

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me weld and I'll show you the
first Frankenstein model. That's always the best

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one. Right, Oh yeah,
here it is. So that was it,

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you can see right, yeah.
Yeah, So as the welds and

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I'll show you a little push so
it's evolved, but that was the That

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was the original. Now what's the
other one behind you? Is that what

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you have? Now that's current?
So I'll show you the difference. Now,

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Uh, here you go. It's
not that far off the one you

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made, Bro, that was good. Yeah, well no, this is

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more. This one's been deployed five
hundred times though. This is this one's

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tried and done some work. Yeah, it's not that many holes. I

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thought it was going to be more
holes. Yeah they got you got peripheral

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ones here. Oh on the side. Yeah, there's about ten holes total.

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But we're we're getting five hundred gallons
a minute with this. Yonkers actually

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purchased and they wanted to get them. I think they got eight of them

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for eight of their pumpers. And
they called me the one day and they

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were like, oh, we got
we got a problem. We're getting six

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hundred and thirty gallons a minute.
That's like, that's not a problem.

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That's a great thing. I said, what do you what are you doing

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we're talking about? He was feeding
it with three inch That was pretty cool.

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But yeah, you try it with
did you try the first one out?

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Bro? Like you go to a
car fire, you tried that thing,

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You're like, holy shit, it
works. I was. I really

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didn't have We're not allowed to burn
too much over here, sore about everything.

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Yeah yeah, unless you go down
south, they let you burn whatever

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you want. But but yeah,
no, we were doing it. You

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know, my job was great with
it. The chiefs there have been,

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you know, they were excellent.
Like I gave the idea and they were

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like, yeah, you know,
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And it worked out well. I
mean, we got all our pressures,

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like, everything was tested. So
the thing is, it's it's bomb proof

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this thing. It's like, you
know, we parked the fire truck on

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it. The thing's not going anywhere, you know how it was that the

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battle right with firemen. Yeah,
yeah, I can't break anything, you

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can't break it. But I still
will never say that it's fireman proof.

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I won't understand. That's why I
didn't. That was the point. Zero

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zero one percent was still yeah five
improof, slightly beyond idiot proof. Idiot

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proof and you can't say bomb on
the show, all right, bomb.

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So Scott is uh, he's gonna
be very modest about this, but he

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is. He's a hydraulic he's my
Uh, he's my numbers guy, my

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pump. He's a pump whiz.
He knows that stuff inside out. And

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he helped me out with all that
stuff with I told you we saw her

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with the Breslin math, but now
we had to put it over this dome.

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So it was like, how do
I distribute that? How do I

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calculate the holes like the diameter?
And he helped me out with all that

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stuff, and we went back and
forth and finally got those numbers that we

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were looking for. So he was
the math nerd. He was yeah.

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Good. We had to be really
careful. Uh. We needed a totality

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of holes over the whole device,
right, But we couldn't just put a

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bunch of small ones that were equal
to that totality. We had to use

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large ones so we were compatible with
stamppipes. We wanted to work in parking

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structures and we wanted to be able
to past debris, so instead of fifty

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sixty seventy tiny holes, we went
with those big ones for a reason.

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They're there panic debris. He's already
too smart for me. He already lost

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me. I told you he lost
me. You heard debris. Huh.

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So what was the first time you
actually used it on a on a what

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was a call file? So we
the first time I used it, like

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I again, I won't say the
manufacturer. We went down to one of

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these places and they actually burned two
evs and uh, we tried it there

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and I wasn't allowed to video,
I wasn't allowed to take pictures. We

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got data and it was all right
here. You know, I wasn't allowed

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to really record anything using it at
a real run, at a real car.

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FI have you? Like, when
did that happen? When I used

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it on an internal combustion engine,
not on an electric car? Fire yet?

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Right, But there's there's a bunch
of them out there in the field,

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and we encourage everybody that has them
to share the videos because feedback.

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Yeah, everybody's still learning it at
the stuff. So data is data right

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now at this point. So yeah, we're relying pretty heavily on manufacturers right

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now. They're allowing us since they're
allowing the product into the facility and they

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light the car on fire for their
own testing. But again, like Buddy

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said, we're not allowed to record
any of that data. So we've done

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very well in those scenarios. But
fortunately we can't share them, you know.

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So let's big departments have it.
Chicago bought a couple, Boston and

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then yonkers around here, Jersey City
we have them. Yeah. We actually

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just changed our running assignment for car
fires because of the electric vehicle problem.

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We've added another pumper to the We're
dispatching another pumper because we're going to assume

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their evs until they're not and we'd
rather have that water in motion instead of

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waiting and then having the call for
it. And how you have exposure problems

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and the tank is running, you
know. So do they special call the

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turtle now? Uh? Saysey City
about special call the turtle? Yeah?

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Uh so me and Scott just we
just finished the s O P and Jersey

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City for electric vehicle fires. And
I'm very humble and very blessed to have

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my department have accepted this tool and
uh, they're they incorporated into the into

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the their process here. So we're
using the fire blanket, we're using the

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turtle, and that's kind of our
one two punch right now. So we're

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we're traditionally attacking the car fire,
though we're not going away from the basics.

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We're still hitting it. With an
inchant three quarter hand line, addressing

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that when that when that turtle is
ready, then we're still we're sticking it

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under the car, starting to cool
that battery, and then that's you know,

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that's how that's our attack right now. The any other uses for it,

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like yeah, multi stual fire,
if there's an EV, if it's

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one of these scooters or bikes going
in an apartment or have you on the

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awful is the one where you gonna
make the old money, Like, holy

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shit, this works on here too, you know. Yeah, So that's

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the crazy thing about this, Like
I designed it to be like for electric

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vehicle fires, for cool in the
battery. The Fire Service has given me

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so much feedback with this thing.
Everybody's been like really cool with this and

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thinking outside the box, and like
because it's a master stream, you know,

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it's it's five hundred gallons a minute, this thing. You could do

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it. You don't have to always
flow it that that high. You could

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do it low, but you could
still get that big bang there. So

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if you want to bring up that
exposure video, I could show you one

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of the alternate uses the uh,
the other one not the one that you

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sent me, right, did you
have that one didn't load there, So

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they've come up with exposure protection.
So basically we have a lot of frame

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houses that are pretty close and uh, you throw this in the alleyway,

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you're getting the lead. Yeah,
you're getting about forty what is it's got

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forty forty forty five feet something like
that, Yeah, and then about thirty

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five forty in each direct. Yeah, you got some good coverage in that

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alleyway. And uh, like a
water curtain, yes, it's basically a

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water curtain from the bottom yet.
So yeah, so we're I've heard people

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using it for that. We're doing
it for like cylinders, propane tanks,

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cooling, stuff like that. Scott. What are some other ones? Yeah,

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pressure vessels, we had, guys. One of the big ones is

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now storage facilities like public storage.
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There's no venting in those fires.
Yeah, and you know, no

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bill lading, nothing to say what's
inside that you have no So if you

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can just crack the roll up door, even on a regular taxpayer, crack

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the door to get it under the
roll up, let it rip five hundred

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a minute for a few minutes,
and then open it up. Must less

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less chance of it rolling out like
a mechanic shop too, with the cars

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on the lifts and stuff. Yeah, we don't want to make an entry

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to like we don't want to try
and take away the fun from firefighters.

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We don't want to do that.
I don't want to do it. I'm

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not gonna you know. But if
there's a defensive operation, you got to

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go to cut a triangle and the
roll down, pry it up a little,

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shove this under, darken it down
a little bit, see what you

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got, and then you know it's
an option. I like it. What

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how heavy is that thing? That's
steel? What is it? Yeah,

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it's steel, it's carbon steel,
all us made, the tools, all

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us made. We're sticking to that. We've been tempted by some of the

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people trying to say, oh,
you could go into national save a lot

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of money. Were kicking an American
made? So yeah, and what's that?

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So? Yeah? So the exposures
do you need the weight of it?

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Does that help like keep it steady? Like could you make all the

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pressure shoots it back into the ground. So it's about eight hundred pounds of

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force back into the ground when you're
flowing five hundred gpm. So it does

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not move at all. It's yeah, the weight is really a byproduct of

408
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:04.240
art of the construction materials because we
wanted to be able to carry the weight

409
00:30:04.759 --> 00:30:08.359
of an EV after the tires and
rims burn away, if if the car

410
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:12.160
drops on it. We wanted to
be ah, well what does it weigh?

411
00:30:14.079 --> 00:30:18.720
It weighs thirty seven pounds much?
Come on, Mike Bank pressent that

412
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:25.359
now for crying out loud. So
there was another use that we had that

413
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:29.680
one of the did you guys ever
hear of I MTT and they own they

414
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:33.400
they are chemical storage plants, like
right on the Hudson and they're like one

415
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:37.119
of the biggest ones around and they
store a lot. They have a lot

416
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:40.319
of hazardous material there. So they
asked if we could flow foam out of

417
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:41.160
this and I was like, I
don't know. It was like I didn't

418
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:45.480
design it for that, but we
did it and it errated the foam nice

419
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.119
put a blanket down. So that
was that was another application we talked about.

420
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.240
Yeah, it was. It was
crazy, like people are finding some

421
00:30:52.279 --> 00:30:55.640
different uses reality. That's how you're
gonna get you get off and people are

422
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:57.200
going to like buying that thing like
this, No tomorrow man. You know

423
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:00.119
it's it's not a one trick pony, which is good. You know you're

424
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.279
not just buying it for EV's.
You're buying it for you could use it

425
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.000
for other things. So just gonna
your creativity. Man, when you think

426
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.400
can be applicable, I can even
say it. But you know, if

427
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:15.119
you think a situation where you can
throw a device into play, yeah definitely.

428
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:22.200
And so I'll tell you real quick
about the actual design of it,

429
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.720
like so it has that. I'll
start with why it's called the turtle,

430
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:29.680
because I'm sure you guys like turtle. There you go. That's why I

431
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:32.079
named it the turtle, because I
had it in the firehouse in the morning

432
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:33.759
and people are like, what the
hell is that thing. It's like,

433
00:31:34.400 --> 00:31:38.960
worry about the turtle, sorry about
it. And then three people look at

434
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:41.880
that. That's the finished product of
the turtle. Yeah, all polished up.

435
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:45.519
So a few people they were like, yeah, it looks like a

436
00:31:45.519 --> 00:31:48.519
turtle. So I was like,
all right, that's the name of it.

437
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.400
So we'll go from there. But
yeah, so the design of it

438
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:55.240
is that, you know, it's
it's low profile, so it's going to

439
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.839
fit under the cars. We were
talking earlier before the show about the height

440
00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:04.640
of about three point seventy five inches. Most evs are four point six to

441
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:08.240
four point eight and that's on the
lower end, and so we we can

442
00:32:08.279 --> 00:32:14.720
fit under the under the car.
The reason for the whole placement is if

443
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:17.599
you have this whole lithium battery going
inside, like in this battery pan,

444
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:22.319
we want to cover the whole battery. We don't want to guess and say

445
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:25.079
which module is affected out of all
of them. We don't want to try

446
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:28.799
and get that device. We want
to just center it and let it cool

447
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:30.920
the whole thing. So we take
the guess work out so fireman could go

448
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:35.119
deploy it, drop it. We
don't have to send guys back in there

449
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.599
to reposition it. We're covering that
back here. You'll see I got the

450
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:44.640
pipe back here, so that's the
pipe is part of the system. The

451
00:32:44.720 --> 00:32:47.240
reason I developed the pipe was it
was common sense, right, you have

452
00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:52.039
to if you have the device centered
and you have the hose line attached to

453
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:54.279
it, first thing it's going to
go is yeah, yeah, yeah,

454
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:58.039
because you've got these flames coming from
underneath, so your hos is going to

455
00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:00.680
be the first thing that goes.
So that was that was an easy one.

456
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:02.920
So I got the pipe. The
pipe actually is our handle to deploy,

457
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:07.559
so we push it in place.
With that, I'll call you chief

458
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:13.319
again. I know they're going to
break your shops, but you want to

459
00:33:13.319 --> 00:33:17.440
bring up that deployment video, then
do your advertisement video. Yeah that's good.

460
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:21.599
Ye, all right, there we
go. This will show you a

461
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:29.359
little bit more on the deployment stuff. Hi. I'm Buddy Hayes. I'm

462
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:37.200
a professional firefighter in New Jersey.
Our department encountered its first electric vehicle fire

463
00:33:37.599 --> 00:33:40.240
in twenty twenty two and we had
to find a way to combat this.

464
00:33:44.079 --> 00:33:46.279
I started to think of solutions from
me and my crew. When we approach

465
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:52.559
one of these They mentioned in the
NFPA that copious amounts of water through the

466
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:57.720
undercarriage of the vehicle is the approach
to take. We use some already established

467
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:01.880
math to develop the system. We
did quite a few prototypes and eventually landed

468
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:09.239
on the one we're using. Now, wow, look at that. After

469
00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:13.719
we were successful and we're happy with
the water flow and the gpn P s.

470
00:34:13.760 --> 00:34:16.039
I my deputy chief also said,
you know what, you have something

471
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:21.280
here with this idea push forward,
get a prototype and here we are now

472
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:28.280
the turtle. The turtle was born
at Wow. So you can run away

473
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:30.280
in these cars? Is there the
name of the game? Right now?

474
00:34:30.760 --> 00:34:34.239
You can get this thing deployed early
enough and stop that thermal runaway, you

475
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:37.800
have a good chance of saving life
and property. I'm just making situations better.

476
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:45.599
I don't want to hear that video
anymore. Yeah. Yeah, when

477
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:47.119
you go to the show, right, that's just keep repeating the same.

478
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:51.199
You bring that into the ghetto too, and you make a sprinkle of the

479
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:54.000
case. Bro, you're laughing.
One of the departments we sold to did

480
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:59.239
that for a community outreach and swear
to god, there's a billion uses for

481
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:02.400
this thing. Bro. Yeah,
I like it, man, So listen,

482
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.960
maybe out of the out of the
game a little bit. Is that

483
00:35:07.039 --> 00:35:10.119
underneath is the best way to put
these things out? Is that that's the

484
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:15.400
scenario so far? Yeah? So
right now, like I'll never we'll never

485
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:17.559
as a company, we'll never claim
to be able to extinguish the fire with

486
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:23.039
this tool. This is another tool
that's going to add to the the solution.

487
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:28.360
So we're we're cooling the battery.
That's how our concept behind this tool

488
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:31.199
is to cool the battery because we
can't get water into the battery case and

489
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:36.079
then and then into the like where
the celts are, So our best effect

490
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:39.880
effective way is to actually cool the
underside. So if like one cell goes

491
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:44.440
off inside a module, you want
to stop it from properly, yeah,

492
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.960
you want to stop it from propagating
to all the rest. So that's why

493
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:51.679
cooling is the optimal way right now. It's our only way really, because

494
00:35:51.719 --> 00:35:54.519
we don't have anything else that's going
to go in the piercing nozzle. From

495
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:58.199
the manufacturers, they say no with
that, like, they don't, they

496
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:01.239
don't recommend doing that. I'm not
an advocate of lifting the car at all.

497
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:06.039
I don't think that's safe because any
of these at any time when this

498
00:36:06.079 --> 00:36:08.039
thing's off gassing, that thing can
let loose and you've got a twenty five

499
00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:13.000
hundred degree flame that's going to be
right at someone's face when they're lifting this

500
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:17.480
car. So I don't think that's
a good tactic. So cooling from underside

501
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:22.280
is, yeah, the best way
we've experienced so far. Yeah, and

502
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.480
there's basically what we'll call a firewall
between the occupants of the vehicle and the

503
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:29.360
battery underneath. So approaching it from
the top is you never really get it.

504
00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:30.559
You're never gonna be able to really
penetrate, so you really got to

505
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.199
come at it from the bottom.
But with only five six seven inches of

506
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:37.480
clearance if you're lucky, right,
So what gods, what are they doing?

507
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:42.400
They just stretching the line and getting
low and shooting the water up into

508
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.840
the bottom of the car. That's
what it's to bounce it off the off

509
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:51.400
the pavement and try and hit it
that way. I've seen some departments try

510
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:54.039
and lift it. I've seen Actually, this is crazy. They buried one

511
00:36:54.039 --> 00:36:58.000
in the sand. That was like, I mean that that's crazy. But

512
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:00.519
who has the resources to do it? Like you said earlier, this is

513
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:05.079
it's still evolving. So we're still
learning as the fires are taking place.

514
00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.679
We haven't had enough TV fires to
really determine what the best solution is.

515
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:13.360
But like you said, were a
little things that the submerging or suffocating of

516
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:15.280
the fumes is turned on not to
be Yeah, and that's a burying and

517
00:37:15.320 --> 00:37:19.559
the foam that stuff's proven not to
be good for that, right, And

518
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:22.840
that's the crazy thing because like it's
not like a regular fire where you could

519
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:24.440
just snuff it out. The private
of oxygen. You can't do that with

520
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:30.199
these as exactly, they produce oxygen
when lithium ion burns, so it's a

521
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:31.840
byproduct. So you're not going to
snuff it out. You're not going to

522
00:37:31.880 --> 00:37:35.320
put the blanket on and suffocate it. You know, it's not going to

523
00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:39.599
happen. So that's that was the
real challenge of it. So we're actually

524
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:45.320
we're using the blanket. Speaking of
suffocating, we're using the blanket for exposure

525
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.159
protection, which is pretty cool.
Like if you have a whole line of

526
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:51.639
cars, instead of addressing the car
it's on fire with the blanket, throw

527
00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:54.920
it over the exposure car like and
stop the almost like a row frame type

528
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:58.159
of attack. You know, you're
trying to say, give up that one,

529
00:37:58.239 --> 00:38:01.559
save the next. So huh yeah, it's uh, I like this

530
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:06.280
thing from many of these fires?
How many? How many? I mean

531
00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.920
every time I look online somewhere there's
always some thing about electric call fire.

532
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:15.159
But what is there numbers? Like
how you know across the country, Like

533
00:38:15.199 --> 00:38:17.360
I know Paulie Rodgers talked about that
and like we were talking earlier in the

534
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:22.119
pre Shiow Cassidy uh is it each
was talking about that, like what how

535
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.400
often are they happening? And is
it? You know, obviously there's more

536
00:38:24.440 --> 00:38:28.719
people with electric cars now right than
every every day? Is that how it

537
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:30.360
was trying to ram them down your
throat and get rid of the they are

538
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:32.880
they are? And the crazy thing
is they're not stopping, you know,

539
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:37.840
they're they're just they're pumping them out
and they're not going away. The technology

540
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:43.800
may change down the road, talking
years down the road, that may change

541
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:45.599
things, but it's not going to
stop the influx of them now. They're

542
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:49.400
offering them for cheaper now, so
they're just coming onto the road. I

543
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:54.000
actually seen one in New Jersey.
Some guy made his own EV and uh,

544
00:38:54.320 --> 00:38:59.239
he threw these batteries together. He
actually made a charging port on the

545
00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:04.320
car and we saw when it was
burnt up but on fire. Yeah,

546
00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:07.840
I was gonna say it was flaming. Yeah he failed that one. But

547
00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:12.760
yeah, it's they're they're not going
away, and I don't think I think

548
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.239
the rules and regulations are trying to
catch up to the times right now.

549
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:22.400
Uh will they get there? I
don't know. Parking structures biggest biggest problem

550
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:27.519
right now for us, that's gonna
be our biggest problem. Imagine going into

551
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:31.119
an enclosed parking structure, trying to
find the shut off for an EV that's

552
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:35.679
on a charger, Like, how
are you gonna find that there's no markings,

553
00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:39.159
Like, it's going to be difficult. It's the other cause on fire.

554
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:42.440
Now you have both burn it,
you have yes, and then you

555
00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.000
have structural concerns. Yeah, that's
the problem we have here now is they

556
00:39:45.000 --> 00:39:50.000
want to regulate the evs to maybe
just the first floor and not let them

557
00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:52.280
go. You know, they're looking
to make those changes for us down here

558
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:57.760
already. Yeah, to limit that
every other floor having a plug yep.

559
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.119
Yeah. Are the main concern right
now, right with the concrete is the

560
00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:07.079
spawling. So we're trying to teach
right now, when you get an EV

561
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.480
fire, say it's on the first
floor, that first hose line, cool

562
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:13.800
the bottom, cool the top,
then hit the car. You know,

563
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:19.639
start calling that colt structure first,
you know, because we're always taught that

564
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.599
up top is our concern. But
here the fires originated under under the car

565
00:40:22.679 --> 00:40:27.199
twenty five hundred degrees. You have
a very big concern of spawling underneath as

566
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:30.679
well. So you got to address
both the weight of the vehicles too.

567
00:40:30.719 --> 00:40:34.119
Is as an afterthought too, of
these vehicles a lot heavier than your standard

568
00:40:34.360 --> 00:40:39.079
uh combustion engine. So I think
the battery packs, the uh that hum

569
00:40:39.199 --> 00:40:45.079
V, that ev hum V is
like ten thousand pounds. Yeah, yeah,

570
00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:47.960
really heavy, so that they're in
some weight, which is another concern

571
00:40:49.039 --> 00:40:53.000
to to when these fires take off. That load is also concentrated because they're

572
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:57.960
all they all to park up against
those parking uh, the charging stations,

573
00:40:58.159 --> 00:40:59.719
so you know right where they're going
to be. They're all going to be

574
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:02.119
together. She had that concentrated load
any of the fire damage. Yeah,

575
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:07.239
So one of the one of the
thoughts I was I had for these parking

576
00:41:07.280 --> 00:41:12.039
structures, these spots with the charging
stations, if you just put like a

577
00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:15.960
little wall, like maybe a three
four foot wall maybe in between each one,

578
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:19.599
so if the thing is going,
it's not shooting off into the next

579
00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:22.880
car, you have at least some
sort of protection there to stop and spread

580
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:25.599
from car to car. Like the
manual car washers that you go in,

581
00:41:25.639 --> 00:41:30.039
they have little baths that you pull
into exactly, yep, exactly. That's

582
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:32.519
something. But they're going to catch
up with all that soon, but they're

583
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:36.119
not up to date with it yet, so we we're still learning on the

584
00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:43.480
fly. Roofie, thank god.
What we're talking to get a little parking

585
00:41:43.519 --> 00:41:53.480
garages? What times the raking came
on? What I got slipper Man place?

586
00:41:55.519 --> 00:42:00.440
You know with the eye on batteries? Yeah, and you know what

587
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:02.960
those scooters when you drop in New
York, you're just gonna say that,

588
00:42:04.119 --> 00:42:08.159
Yeah, everywhere, overywhere, but
everything, guys got them. That's the

589
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:12.880
thing though, is gonna make sure
people don't confuse a lithium ion problem with

590
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.960
the ev Yes, the same,
but the lithium ion, as you guys

591
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:19.719
see in New York City is running
rampant and it's just slowly starting to spread

592
00:42:19.719 --> 00:42:22.440
everywhere else they are. Yeah,
how would those guys putting those out?

593
00:42:23.039 --> 00:42:25.880
Like, I mean, we've talked
about on the show, but like the

594
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.360
scooters, like do those things stay
lit forever? Too? Like like these

595
00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:35.719
cause it's the same process the way
they burn, it's just on a smaller

596
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:39.360
scale. So what we're doing now, we're actually going to start writing the

597
00:42:39.480 --> 00:42:45.440
sop for a ound micro mobility device
sop. And one of the things is

598
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:47.760
we never pass fire in a house
fire, right, We never go take

599
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:52.280
the hose line past the fire.
So it's gonna be the same concept because

600
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:54.280
we have the chance of this thing
lighting back up, so we don't want

601
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:59.559
that thing to block the egress or
to potentially burn through the hose, and

602
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:02.320
now you gotta crew without water in
there and possibly bailing. So it's going

603
00:43:02.360 --> 00:43:07.760
to be the same thing. We
actually had a fatal about two months ago,

604
00:43:07.480 --> 00:43:12.400
and it was a battery fire on
the first floor. The lady didn't

605
00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.199
really know the dangers of this,
and she threw a cup of water on

606
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:21.599
it thinking it was okay, and
then it took off and unfortunately someone passed

607
00:43:21.719 --> 00:43:24.599
on the second floor. So the
guy, one of the captains there,

608
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:29.679
did a great job of saying,
dedicate that backup line to that battery.

609
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:32.000
I know it's a lithium ion battery
because he hit it, knocked it down

610
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:36.320
a little, but then he saws
out. He called the radio second line,

611
00:43:36.360 --> 00:43:38.000
get to that battery, and then
he's gonna go push forward. So

612
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.440
I think the thing that they're going
to be doing, I think it's the

613
00:43:42.480 --> 00:43:45.960
best way to handle it, safest, safest way. Yeah, we were

614
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:52.159
we were talking, uh Captain Gustin
down to Miami and uh, great guy,

615
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.800
like we were talking about this stuff
and how you know, you never

616
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:59.840
passed fire, so why would you
pass this if it has the chance to

617
00:44:00.039 --> 00:44:04.960
sign a better chance of reigniting.
I mean about the guy he was supposed

618
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.039
to get on the show. He's
I actually saw him when I saw Chief

619
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:08.559
leave the other day. He's like, yeah, I let you know,

620
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:15.760
or I didn't forget. So that
was just to let me know what I

621
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:17.440
spoke to. You speak to him? I think I did. I spoke

622
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:22.039
to somebody from Miami. I don't
know it was him. Yeah, this

623
00:44:22.119 --> 00:44:27.480
is a quick This is a twenty
second video. How fast these things burn?

624
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:30.000
Just so you guys can see the
scooters. Where where is it?

625
00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:31.840
This is in the house right here, all the right. Watch it starts

626
00:44:31.880 --> 00:44:35.760
smoking and starts off casting just so
while we're talking about it, so we

627
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:45.320
can add to it. Watch how
fastest thing goes? Whoa ship? Dude?

628
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:49.199
He grabbed the dog. He made
a good grab, Dann Bro.

629
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:52.480
Yeah you got again, bro recordings. At least at least they at least

630
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:57.519
they grabbed a kid. I was
ready to see him. There was a

631
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:01.079
dog. The dog got scared here
at the beginning. This is a classic

632
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:06.280
lithium ion battery failure. So how
this goes down is exactly how this goes

633
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:15.760
down. I regret the kid.
Yeah, oh wow, that's why even

634
00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:19.039
get off that couch with that kid. He's dead and the kid's dead.

635
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:23.480
Crazy. So yeah, one of
the biggest things besides the fire load,

636
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:28.840
how it goes from like thirty seconds
of like nothing well I shouldn't call it

637
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:35.360
nothing but off gassing till almost flash
over conditions right like it goes quick.

638
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:38.719
The vapors are one of the big
concerns as well. You know. So

639
00:45:38.840 --> 00:45:45.000
now with auto extrication, we have
to try and remember where I'm actually going

640
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:49.280
on Wednesday to Chicago. I'm doing
a class. You ever hear of a

641
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:53.800
Junkyard dog extrication Lieutenant Chris Soda from
Chicago. Great guy going up there with

642
00:45:53.920 --> 00:45:59.639
him to do a training exercise,
and we're doing extrication on air. The

643
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:02.320
guy's going to be on air because
we're going to simulate the ev off gassing

644
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:06.840
and we have a trapped occupant.
So now you have to consider putting a

645
00:46:06.880 --> 00:46:09.760
rip pack on the victim as well
while you're doing the extrication. And then

646
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:14.159
the reason he asked me to come
was they want to deploy the turtle as

647
00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:17.519
well to do a low flow mode
to cool the battery. So the reason

648
00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:22.199
being is when you pull the disconnect, the twelve zero disconnect on these batteries,

649
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.599
you're not only just disconnecting part of
the battery, you're disconnecting the cooling

650
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:30.239
system. So now you took away
all cooling properties inside that battery pack.

651
00:46:30.559 --> 00:46:34.840
So now we're supplementing that cooling with
the turtle flowing underneath that a low flow

652
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.480
and it does work like as far
as the water doesn't get in the way

653
00:46:38.519 --> 00:46:42.679
of the extrication, because I thought
that was my that was my main concern

654
00:46:42.719 --> 00:46:45.039
at first. But when we're doing
it all low flow, it doesn't.

655
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:49.280
It doesn't interfere at all. So
it's pretty fifty ps. You've flown it

656
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:51.920
low flow. Yeah, we go
right, Scotty, what would you say,

657
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:54.559
thirty to fifty? You can go
as low as twenty and it's it's

658
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:58.320
going to be enough. Only because
your target is only two three inches above

659
00:46:58.679 --> 00:47:01.320
the top of the turtle full coverage. You can let the bottom of the

660
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:05.360
car stay cool. If the thing
takes off on you, the chauffeur,

661
00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:08.360
no matter, just throttling up and
send it and just give all five hundred

662
00:47:08.360 --> 00:47:12.360
and then that's supposed to buy you
the time to make the rescue. Well,

663
00:47:12.440 --> 00:47:14.440
you know, the crew's gotta keep
that in mind. Man, they

664
00:47:14.440 --> 00:47:17.719
puncture that battery your cose uh that
throm a runaway, that's that's a game

665
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:22.280
changer for an extrication with these eass
It is for that scooter, bro,

666
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:29.079
buddy, Scotty. Scotty is to
you as Cassidy was to me. What

667
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:37.280
I said that that's your Cassidy right
there. Funny and you know ms and

668
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:42.039
the you know, the low flow
and this, and I'm like the straight

669
00:47:42.119 --> 00:47:47.239
face to like and I'm like,
you know, you're like this, that's

670
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:53.679
why you just gotta you know,
directed to Scott. Scott well flowing on

671
00:47:53.719 --> 00:48:01.639
that one there. Oh yeah,
what you got a question about another?

672
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:08.360
Scott, take that with you.
You got to come up on the scoonters

673
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:13.079
like the mini turtle. Yeah,
I mean we got a hose line for

674
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:17.119
that. But there is a thing
we are trying to you know, you

675
00:48:17.159 --> 00:48:20.280
want to take it out of the
building safely. You don't want to hold

676
00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:22.880
this thing in your hand and walk
out the building. Either, get it

677
00:48:22.920 --> 00:48:24.440
on a shovel, wrap it up. You know, you just want to

678
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:28.119
get it out of the building,
make the container to get it out,

679
00:48:28.159 --> 00:48:30.840
dumping the container right outside the door. They has Matt has those they got

680
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:37.119
the overpacking drums A right. Yeah, do you have to be in touch

681
00:48:37.199 --> 00:48:40.159
with with these things to you know, how do they get it? Egg

682
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.840
and all that stuff? How do
they get it? Like, what's the

683
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:46.000
story for us? You're saying,
Oh, yeah, so our linkers on

684
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:51.360
the screen there, Uh, Turtlefiresystems
dot Com. Uh, you could email

685
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:54.880
in they get you get a price
quote there and you know, any questions

686
00:48:54.880 --> 00:49:00.480
could be filtered through there. Any
questions of the right to Scott's mail bots

687
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:06.440
and every question. Yeah, any
number of questions we forward right to Scott.

688
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:12.440
So you guys you said you guys
bought one too, Yes, we

689
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:14.519
did. I was gonna wait for
that to get Yeah, we bought one

690
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:17.199
with the We're gonna do the one
two punch with the fire blanket mainly for

691
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:22.159
the exposures if it need be with
the with the Turtle system. Now,

692
00:49:22.199 --> 00:49:24.800
yes, it's actually I'm getting ready
to roll it out of the service probably

693
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:29.880
early January. I was gonna carry
it probably right now because we have just

694
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:31.480
the one is probably gonna be put
on our BC truck for right now,

695
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:37.000
because the BC truck does the EV
plug. That's what you talked about,

696
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:39.679
the cooling system and de energizing the
vehicle, not the energized vehicle, excuse

697
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:43.800
me, disabling the vehicle so it
doesn't move, so it's in conjunction with

698
00:49:43.840 --> 00:49:46.679
that and activating the cooling system itself. So we have until we get more

699
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:50.440
money to buy some more devices.
This is a this is a tool that

700
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:52.400
we just added to the arsenal.
I'm glad you spent that on the turtle

701
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:58.639
bro. Yeah we did. Yeah. Actually, so you said you had

702
00:49:58.679 --> 00:50:02.280
a couple you have it? Is
that yours? That's that's not mine?

703
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:06.599
That's his? The one of the
show in full and close up for the

704
00:50:06.719 --> 00:50:10.199
for the picture of course, man, I think that's Engine ten in the

705
00:50:10.239 --> 00:50:15.639
background, is it? That was
actually Engine five? And uh Nick Cargo

706
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:19.239
Jerry City Fire took that picture for
us, all right. I was trying

707
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:22.760
to give you some little credit there
for engine tent. But we just got

708
00:50:22.760 --> 00:50:27.079
a new rig our old one wouldn't
have been photo worthy. But is there

709
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:29.760
like a training like guys, what
do you mean? Like are you getting

710
00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:31.000
guys trained up to speed with it? Is that what you're trying to do

711
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:35.880
because it's we've just finished in a
policy. We're kind of fine tuning that

712
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:37.280
stuff because if we just put some
information out to kind of handle it.

713
00:50:37.280 --> 00:50:40.599
Because again it's like I said before, it's so new that we're still learning

714
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:43.840
as we go. So it's kind
of you make the policy and then we're

715
00:50:43.840 --> 00:50:45.000
gonna learn something and then we're gonna
make a change to the policy. But

716
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:49.199
yeah, we give them a couple
of little things so they can battle this

717
00:50:49.239 --> 00:50:52.559
at least get the ball rolling,
and then just enough information to hopefully be

718
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:57.119
successful if if we have some with
the s OP like it's gonna be it's

719
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:00.239
gonna be a document that stays open
forever, you know, because technolog he's

720
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.199
gonna change, so we're gonna have
to update that thing. And Scott.

721
00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:07.360
Scott's been great. We worked in
conjunction with numerous departments. A lot of

722
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:13.079
people shared some information back and forth, and it was really cool, very

723
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:15.199
cool experience because we talked to l
A, we talked to Miami, We

724
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:21.039
talked to these guys in Coral Springs, you know, uh, Lieutenant Cassidy

725
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:23.159
over New York. I picked his
brain, you know, just a bunch

726
00:51:23.239 --> 00:51:30.599
of guys and everybody's been helpful,
so we've been collaboratively attacking what's his uh,

727
00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:34.719
you know, initial impressions of it, Cassidy. He he liked it

728
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:39.119
for the versatility aspect. So if
you have a car, you don't necessarily

729
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:43.599
need five hundred gallons a minute.
You could gate it down a little bit

730
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:45.800
and flow it a little bit lower. But if you have a truck or

731
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:50.760
a bus, you're gonna need bigger
water. So you have the versatility to

732
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:53.440
go back and forth. Oh,
we'll talk, we'll talk to you know

733
00:51:53.480 --> 00:52:00.920
what I mean. We'll make him
an offer you can't refute. Sure,

734
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:06.119
Yeah, it's a friend of mine. He's a friend of ours. Money

735
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:08.239
and Scott a friend of ours.
Bro. So there you go. You

736
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:13.280
take that, you and you see
you buy that, bro. I think

737
00:52:13.360 --> 00:52:15.239
I think that's the best thing about
the whole thing is is that you get

738
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:20.480
information as as it's being used from
each place, like you know, yeah,

739
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:23.199
and then you start to uh you
know, spread that information out to

740
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:27.199
those guys too, you know what
I mean. So learning, like you

741
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.159
said, so new exactly, we
got that lack of data. So you

742
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:34.320
know, the car manufacturers probably have
a lot of this stuff. But they're

743
00:52:34.360 --> 00:52:36.960
not sharing it because nobody wants to
show that they have an issue. So

744
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:40.159
excuse me. Yeah, they're not
gonna be able to pat You got a

745
00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:46.599
patent, yeah, patented in multiple
countries. Yeah nice, yea it forget

746
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:52.719
about it. I was gonna make
one in aluminum, but maybe not great

747
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:59.719
alum with them light as well.
Bro. Yeah, make a phone call.

748
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:02.719
Oh a guy that's expensively, I'll
bean that down. We could go,

749
00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:14.599
yes, sir, I think John
Costello has a question for oh does

750
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:16.639
he does he? What? Uh? And then I'll see what he's got

751
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:21.440
here. So in navy crash from
the very has it lit off? Is

752
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:23.480
anyone monitoring with a tick while the
systems are being safe? It is for

753
00:53:23.599 --> 00:53:27.599
us. It is part of scanning
the vehicle because you're going to have a

754
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:30.400
clue if the vehicle or the battery
is starting to heat up on you.

755
00:53:30.679 --> 00:53:36.599
Mm hmm absolutely really yeah, So
it's it's we're actually not too far when

756
00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:37.880
we have our first ev fire,
which is just a matter of time.

757
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:42.400
We can't release a vehicle to a
tow company, to anything until it's below

758
00:53:42.440 --> 00:53:45.440
two hundred degrees, so we have
a thresholder we have to wait till it

759
00:53:45.440 --> 00:53:51.679
gets to before we can release the
vehicle. So I'm sorry, I was

760
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:55.159
gonna say. We use thermommaging camera
as a trending device just to watch and

761
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:58.920
we see if it's the battery trending
upward or downwards. If it's if it's

762
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:00.559
trending upwards. Obviously it's still in
thermal run away. It's still warming.

763
00:54:00.639 --> 00:54:04.800
Yeah, for sure, our water
application is helping it to trend downwards.

764
00:54:04.800 --> 00:54:22.360
We know we're on the right path, and we know it depends on the

765
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:24.079
vehicle before the most part, the
undercarriage of the vehicle has a lot of

766
00:54:24.119 --> 00:54:27.760
them. Now they have other vehicles
that they have an app out there that

767
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:30.320
we use. It's that you can
identify with some of the batteries out,

768
00:54:30.360 --> 00:54:37.119
but they're mainly in the undercarriage of
the vehicle. Yesnder carriage broke, Sure

769
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:42.679
ncarriage is clean. So one of
you guys from FD and Y developed that

770
00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:47.119
EV rescue app right, and yeah, yeah, so I'm friends with him.

771
00:54:47.159 --> 00:54:52.920
We chatted occasionally and you know he
he developed a great program. Like

772
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:57.199
you just have that on your phone. You search the car because you're not

773
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:00.960
sure of where the cut the disconnect
may be. You know, information there

774
00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:06.719
and you have it really quick.
So he has some ridiculous amount of downloads

775
00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:09.679
he does, like, we just
we downloaded it and we pump it out

776
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:13.440
to every one of our trucks,
so they have it on the truck phone

777
00:55:13.039 --> 00:55:15.639
and the m C T They have
it that they could go to if they

778
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:17.800
need it. Yeah, Rob,
Procaccini wants to know if you guys do

779
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:24.199
demonstrations you come so they just yeah, he could, he could email us

780
00:55:24.239 --> 00:55:30.599
and we'll respond. Put that email
up again there? All right, bro,

781
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:32.440
here's an email. Let's let's see
we got that boom right there?

782
00:55:32.480 --> 00:55:36.320
You go, I'll put it in. You know, Procaccini is tight with

783
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:42.079
Captain Marie. You know now that's
Chief barus so pro. That's the connection,

784
00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:46.320
h Bob. Can I get you
another cup of coffee? Bob help

785
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:50.920
help that the cap doesn't well,
he's cheap over there. I hope he

786
00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:57.719
doesn't stop short, Procachin. I
can't get any further up there, bro,

787
00:55:57.800 --> 00:56:04.719
really, I mean, what's got
any more questions? Because I actually

788
00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:06.840
I love this. I love this
device, bro. I love the bolt

789
00:56:06.880 --> 00:56:09.639
the uses for it too. That's
awesome. You only limited to your creativity

790
00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:14.920
with it, my friend, your
ingenuity on our Instagram page. We have

791
00:56:15.199 --> 00:56:17.880
a bunch of the videos for alternate
uses and stuff like that. We have

792
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:23.199
a pretty cool one we rolled down
and throwing it inside the Class two structure

793
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:28.639
and you can see how much coverage
are you getting. What's the Instagram page?

794
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:34.559
Is it the turtles? It's Turtle
fire systems. Turtles are turtles,

795
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:40.079
Turtles are russ I like it.
Any questions in the chat, come on,

796
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:45.599
fellas and look at Susie throwing this
out here do the demo and then

797
00:56:45.719 --> 00:56:51.760
Rob's going to demo his wife.
Whoa, I get that. Look at

798
00:56:51.800 --> 00:56:57.760
Susie's on him. The commission want
to know, give me a ballpark figure?

799
00:56:57.800 --> 00:57:00.199
Please, that's what he said?
What's that? Where is he?

800
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:02.360
Where's the commission? Where did they
miss them? Sorry? I was trying

801
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:14.880
to oh, big John, Big
commission? Way below? Yeh bullprop bullpark.

802
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:27.079
Want to answer a couple of couple
of these now, it's it's around

803
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:32.239
the ballpark of four thousand. You
know, we're we're we're working on getting

804
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:37.039
that price to a different number.
But that's right now, that's roughly around

805
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:42.400
that area. It's American, mate, it's all American. Keeping that protective

806
00:57:42.440 --> 00:57:45.519
brothers so they don't have to be
standing close to the car banking it off

807
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:47.679
the pavement. Yeah, it's keeping
us. It's keeping guys out of that

808
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:51.960
toxic atmosphere. You know, there's
we in our s O p. It

809
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:57.599
says to try and operate out of
that toxic vapor if you can, if

810
00:57:57.639 --> 00:57:59.719
you can, you know, not
all cases we're going to be able to

811
00:57:59.719 --> 00:58:01.719
do that. Like in closed parking
structure, obviously you're gonna you're gonna be

812
00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:05.599
in it, and you know that
sucks. A lot of these studies haven't

813
00:58:05.599 --> 00:58:08.559
come out yet on the turnout gear, on how this stuff is sticking in

814
00:58:08.599 --> 00:58:12.920
that turnout gear and just you can't
decontaminate it. And that's one of the

815
00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:15.559
things with the fire blankets. All
these guys that bought the multi use,

816
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:20.519
like nobody knew at the time,
they're saying it's a single use now because

817
00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:23.920
you can't decon the blanket. So
a lot of people bought multi use blankets

818
00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:28.480
thinking all right, I could do
this for thirty car fires. Now we

819
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:37.880
got to get in the blanket business. Screw pizza cutter, stop making bikets.

820
00:58:38.239 --> 00:58:42.480
No, the pizza cutters out its
way, pizza cutters covering the partner

821
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:45.960
saw pizza cut it. It's common. It goes there. It is that

822
00:58:46.079 --> 00:58:53.159
these guys heave lives. We make
things that cut pizza, retired life.

823
00:58:54.000 --> 00:59:04.079
It's all about bro It don't suck. Although you see they've been flying rough.

824
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:09.239
Did you see it Disposah, Well
yeah, it's the the dcon is

825
00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:13.480
no joke that shoot is in there
man, yeah, yeah, yeah.

826
00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:15.760
And to speak to that on that
decon one of the things we put in

827
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:20.679
Jersey City with our s O P. Once this goes to it's definitely an

828
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:24.119
eedy fire and it's definitely a vehicle. We immediately call MSU or Mask Services

829
00:59:24.320 --> 00:59:28.360
and just get bottles delivered to the
scene. And the whole idea there is

830
00:59:28.400 --> 00:59:30.360
to promote the use of bottles because
you've only got one or two on the

831
00:59:30.440 --> 00:59:34.800
rig. The likelihood of you actually
using your bottle and going on air it's

832
00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:38.039
pretty slim because you're waiting for when
the fire gets worse and you might actually

833
00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:42.199
wind up walking into something you shouldn't
look into and breathing something you shouldn't.

834
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:44.599
So now we're just going to deliver
bottles and just give you as many as

835
00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:46.400
you want. I used my mask
when I went to regular cal Fire and

836
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:51.159
the other companies used to fucking yeah, give you the look and the laugh

837
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:58.159
later on. Yeah, yeah,
but it's uh yeah, it's not something

838
00:59:58.199 --> 01:00:01.000
to mess with. If they're saying
that bad, let's just take them serious

839
01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:04.079
because why why do you want to
find out the hard way? You know,

840
01:00:05.039 --> 01:00:07.719
I'm not a scientist, but I
listened to the guys that uh you

841
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:14.119
know, we're in the labs.
Can't insulting napkins. I think you guys

842
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:16.039
are going to do all right with
this thing. I appreciate it. Thank

843
01:00:16.079 --> 01:00:19.960
you. Yeah, up there one
more time, Johnson, if you have

844
01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:24.360
any more questions before we I like
it. I like the name. I

845
01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:31.039
like to hold on behine Yards got
that systems? Have you? Have you

846
01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:35.280
gone to any of the shows yet? Yeah? We were in fd I

847
01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:39.400
C in Indianapolis and you didn't stop
by, you know now you know we

848
01:00:39.519 --> 01:00:46.559
go every year, all right,
Yeah, let me see we were We

849
01:00:47.000 --> 01:00:50.920
might not be drinking by eleven a
m. I don't know, it happened.

850
01:00:51.760 --> 01:00:54.360
We were on the line. We
might find other uses for the turtle

851
01:00:54.440 --> 01:01:04.480
at that point, but who knows. Yeah, this is a little something

852
01:01:05.719 --> 01:01:07.440
I want to show my partner in
crime at work, one of my buddies.

853
01:01:07.880 --> 01:01:10.519
All right, you have the nine
to eleven one or you have the

854
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:14.639
story. Yeah, there you go. There's my guy right there. Who's

855
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:17.920
that guy? That's Dwayne. He's
been around the firehouse for years. He's

856
01:01:17.920 --> 01:01:22.519
a buff. Yeah yeah, Dayne. He probably knows every box in the

857
01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:27.800
city. Bro right, Yeah,
Yeah, that's my guy right there.

858
01:01:29.199 --> 01:01:31.079
He washes the rigs, you know, he cleans up a little around the

859
01:01:31.119 --> 01:01:35.559
house. You guys got my nice
jacket, dude, Yah, got him

860
01:01:35.559 --> 01:01:37.199
a nice one. That was one
of the chiefs got him that. I

861
01:01:37.280 --> 01:01:40.519
think that was the one we bought
him for Christmas. I love those jackets.

862
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:47.840
Man, does Dwayne do? B
I because so and about Dwayne,

863
01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:54.719
he's a couple of cards, knock
a couple of buildings up. That's uh

864
01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:59.119
oh yeah. That was a nice
picture from this year right at Liberty State

865
01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:01.920
Park. Nice. Yeah, that's
me and my whole crew there. Good

866
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:07.599
crew. I'm lucky. I got
some good guys. Nice. They all

867
01:02:07.679 --> 01:02:10.039
got the mustache is going right now. So they got the old fire apartment.

868
01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:15.920
They twisted it up or is it
the yeah one more, I have

869
01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:25.679
this really quick on the side of
the car. Yeah, it was it

870
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:29.239
mutes you out. But that was
the one we did down by us.

871
01:02:29.280 --> 01:02:36.119
That was ama was that that was
a GMC escalate. What's that coops car?

872
01:02:36.800 --> 01:02:42.599
Yeah, but I had the name
the GMC Sierra. Yeah. It's

873
01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:45.760
very hard to get your hands on
an ivy to light a fire. Now,

874
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:49.480
so will from what I understand where
this close is actually doing a full

875
01:02:49.519 --> 01:02:52.079
demonstration where we're actually create the thermal
runaway and let it do its things so

876
01:02:52.199 --> 01:02:55.239
we can actually see what it does. And yeah, we love smart Conzo.

877
01:02:55.320 --> 01:03:01.320
Don't you love when Smart she has
gone all right, that's chief Console.

878
01:03:01.639 --> 01:03:05.159
Other days when he's just doing silly
sound of it, he's knit with

879
01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:10.760
consopt. Sorry, hey, hey, you're talking to my guy all wrong.

880
01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:15.119
It's wrong tone, wrong doing again, stabbing her face with a soldering

881
01:03:15.199 --> 01:03:22.199
Hi, yeah, a faith for
the turtle. Sorry, how they go

882
01:03:22.280 --> 01:03:27.000
back? Sorry? You're doing the
other shows, bro, just besides ft

883
01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:30.599
I see nothing. Yeah, we
did a couple other ones around we were

884
01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:36.519
in Harrisburg, bro. All right, well now I know now I know

885
01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:42.719
how you put the face. I'll
be looking because coming. Yeah, if

886
01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:52.800
you got spray paint five thousand,
I just went off from right, all

887
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:54.800
right, guys, Thanks for coming
on the show man. I love it.

888
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:02.239
Guys hook up and we're doing Harrisburg, We're doing Indy. Those are

889
01:04:02.239 --> 01:04:04.000
the two next ones, right bro. Yeah, well we'll see you in

890
01:04:04.079 --> 01:04:09.320
Indy. Yeah, Bro, Louis
loves taking new guys out to dinner,

891
01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:12.679
So come on, come on over, stop by the booth. Actually,

892
01:04:12.719 --> 01:04:18.440
I think they o us right,
doesn't guy Jamie once? Source? It's

893
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:25.280
their turn, ain't it like it's
always? I don't know. Maybe we'll

894
01:04:25.280 --> 01:04:27.920
get the little guy too. Vincey's
showing up this year. Maybe we got

895
01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:32.239
hit the boys dinner. Yeah yeah, all right. Anyway, Uh Thursday,

896
01:04:32.880 --> 01:04:36.480
my boys here the roof apartments.
We got Chief Jane Jonas. We're

897
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:40.920
talking about the Macy's Fire, bro, a very important job. We got

898
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:45.360
the Macy's Fire coming up. And
then the following week we have Van Johnson.

899
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:49.360
This whole career a lot of one
four Captain Tony Karako and some other

900
01:04:49.400 --> 01:04:54.119
guys coming up. So I want
to wish Ruofi the best of luck killing

901
01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:58.559
innocent animals. I hope you get
him right in the heart the job,

902
01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:00.599
Ruth. Kill him quick, all
right, don't leave in his misery.

903
01:05:01.159 --> 01:05:04.719
Knock him down fast, all right, we'll see Rookie when he gets back,

904
01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:08.360
and you guys will see you at
the show. Thanks for coming on,

905
01:05:08.840 --> 01:05:11.880
Thanks for having us guys back to
luck Man. Really, I think

906
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:15.239
you guys are do well with it. Appreciate all right, we'll see you.

907
01:05:15.360 --> 01:05:18.079
Any last words, anything else,
no, no, thank you guys.

908
01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:24.599
Until Thursday, stay long and goo. All right, everybody will see

909
01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:27.280
it the big one. Thanks boys. All right, guys, thank you,

910
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:28.000
have a good night.