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So this first question comes from og 22 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:36,719 Kwan Kenobi as what does og and a Noby gotta do to make an All 23 00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:40,400 defensive team? In twenty twenty the Raptors had a top three defense, but 24 00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:44,159 apparently we had too many good defenders to be considered. In twenty twenty one, 25 00:01:44,159 --> 00:01:46,400 he missed too many games to be considered for the award, even though 26 00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:53,280 he played more minutes than tible. So I had Oganna Nobi on my mock 27 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,239 All Defense team. And when you're you know, when you want to look 28 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:00,799 at minutes played. I think that's fine for some awards, especially when you're 29 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:06,079 trying to split hairs with MVP. I don't worry about the differential as much 30 00:02:06,079 --> 00:02:09,719 when you're looking at all defense, maybe all Rookie, even All MBA a 31 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:15,120 little bit at the same time, Ogian and Obi might be the best on 32 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,319 ball defender in the NBA right now, and the Raptors had him everywhere. 33 00:02:17,439 --> 00:02:22,400 There were just lineups where he would defend fives even though Pascal Siakam was on 34 00:02:22,439 --> 00:02:25,120 the court. And he's so important to what the Raptors do. He's not 35 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,680 going to have the typical counting stats as a lot of other guys, and 36 00:02:29,719 --> 00:02:34,280 I feel like there's not as much necessarily flashed his defense as the Resimatis Thible, 37 00:02:34,319 --> 00:02:38,159 where there's like a lot of just more motion there. O Ganaobi is 38 00:02:38,199 --> 00:02:42,199 so strong and he's he's long, and he's super smart. Not that Bible 39 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,280 isn't, so I think that goes into it. I think what og want 40 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:50,039 Canopy brought up a great point of is when you're on a team it has 41 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:55,800 so many good defenders, though it dilutes conceptually your impact. And it's maybe 42 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:59,520 why a duell em Beat and Ben Simmons when you're looking at them in the 43 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,439 defensive Player of the Year race. Yes they'll be mentioned, but can you 44 00:03:02,479 --> 00:03:06,439 imagine either one of those two players winning it while the other one is on 45 00:03:06,479 --> 00:03:07,680 the team. I'm not saying they won't, It just feels like it's a 46 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:10,919 little bit more difficult, sort of like the two MVP is on your team, 47 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,120 where it's like Kevin Durant or James Harden, How are you going to 48 00:03:14,159 --> 00:03:17,560 distinguish discern between them and put Kyrie's on that team as well moving forward. 49 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,800 That's not a perfect answer, of course, because defense is a lot different 50 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,199 and you're just looking at the scope of Ogianna Noby's assignments. O Giannaoby is 51 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:29,400 going to make it, you know, an all defensive team. It's just 52 00:03:29,479 --> 00:03:31,240 it's going to happen. And I would argue that he will have some first 53 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:38,360 team All Defense selections under his belt before his career is even close to to 54 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:44,199 over. So and og O g One Kenobi also mentioned that he never understood 55 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,919 how Toronto having too many good defenders ball defense position is seen as a slight 56 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,000 against og in twenty twenty two and twenty one and Beat Simmons and Fible can 57 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,560 all make it. That's that's also a great point that I wanted to touch 58 00:03:55,599 --> 00:04:00,759 on as well. So there's you know, I think they're, like I 59 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,599 said, Tible's game there feels like there's a little bit more flash to the 60 00:04:03,599 --> 00:04:08,199 defense. I also think people. Voters are going to look at teams that 61 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:10,960 were really good, and the Raptors kind of they didn't. Kind of they 62 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,599 definitely underachieved last year. They had the COVID issues, they have the injury 63 00:04:13,639 --> 00:04:15,439 issues, and then you know, for a third of the season, they 64 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:17,680 just flat out weren't trying to win. And I think that goes into it 65 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:21,079 as well, that voters like to single out guys that are going to be 66 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:25,680 on good teams. That is certainly just not always the case, but I 67 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,160 do think that's part of it. To me, though he deserved to make 68 00:04:28,199 --> 00:04:30,480 it, but you also get to a point where you are splitting hairs. 69 00:04:30,519 --> 00:04:33,040 I wouldn't use the minute discrepancy. I think it was five hundred and change 70 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,720 last time I checked them. Meant to pull that up among all the windows 71 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:41,240 that I have opened right now. It's not so Yeah, he's an all 72 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,399 defense guy. To me, I wouldn't even take it as a slight. 73 00:04:43,439 --> 00:04:46,480 It's just there's only two teams for that, and it's so hard to quantify 74 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:53,480 and even qualitatively measure defense, just as observers as media members because most of 75 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,839 us and throwing myself in there, who does not have a vote to be 76 00:04:56,879 --> 00:05:00,800 clear. So we just don't have a lot like the defen of knowledge as 77 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,360 coaches or even as certain other media analysts have order because they definitely need to 78 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:09,079 sort of thin out the voting pool here, and maybe that makes a bigger 79 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,959 difference. But yeah, I'm not too I just don't read too much into 80 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,759 it. It's sort of a nice award to get, but to me, 81 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,759 it doesn't take away anything from what og and Anobi does. And he's going 82 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,639 to be just a sleeper Most Improved Player pick this year because I think he 83 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:26,519 gets more ball control on offense given the structure of the Raptors right now, 84 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,040 and if he's going to shine on defense as much as he just typically does. 85 00:05:30,079 --> 00:05:31,319 And this is just someone who could shut down people one on one, 86 00:05:31,399 --> 00:05:34,639 not everybody, but this is a five position defender. When you look at 87 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,480 him and he had he can play Mack. I'm not trying to take that 88 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,879 away from him by saying that tables just flash here. There's just like more 89 00:05:41,319 --> 00:05:46,319 I don't know, there's more body mechanics, like flamboyant body mechanics involved, 90 00:05:46,319 --> 00:05:48,600 and maybe that means people feel his defense more, or perhaps it's just talked 91 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:53,000 about more. When you're talking when you're looking at the NBA in general, 92 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:58,000 they are just more teams in the United States, and the Raptors just don't 93 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,879 seem to generate as much national cover. And I don't want to ascribe blame 94 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,800 to that, but I think the season the Raptors had versus the season the 95 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:11,439 Sixers had, that was probably the bigger difference, more so than some you 96 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,199 know, perceived slight against the Raptors. I don't think there's an agenda there, 97 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:17,519 but it's still a great question. I think he deserves to make it. 98 00:06:18,519 --> 00:06:24,199 Kurig is bad as high. Hello, what is the max offensive rating 99 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,120 ever achieved by a team in the postseason? The reason I asked because I'm 100 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,360 curious to think about ceilings and OFFENSI efficiency for the nets, so I'm one 101 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:34,319 of the records thing. I like to use adjusted offensive ratings rather than raw 102 00:06:34,399 --> 00:06:38,920 offensive ratings. We can say that, you know, the Mavericks had the 103 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:42,399 best offense in history one year, but what is it relative to the leg 104 00:06:42,519 --> 00:06:45,399 average? This was harder to look up for the playoffs, so I am 105 00:06:45,399 --> 00:06:47,240 just using raw offensive rating there. But I just want people to know it's 106 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:53,199 imperfect. I do find the results, they're not surprising. In the sense 107 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:58,639 that the top four teams all come in the past two seasons. But it's 108 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:01,680 funny that the Jazz the numbers one and two spots. The twenty nineteen twenty 109 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:06,279 Jazz had a one twenty three point three offensive rating through seven games in the 110 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:11,040 playoffs, and then in the twenty twenty two twenty one Jazz through eleven games 111 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,319 had a one twenty two point six offensive rating, which is the second highest 112 00:07:14,399 --> 00:07:18,240 on record per stat Head. The twenty twenty twenty twenty one Pointland Trailblazers check 113 00:07:18,319 --> 00:07:23,600 in at three with one twenty two point one. The twenty twenty twenty twenty 114 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,079 one Clippers check in at four through nineteen games, which is super impressive at 115 00:07:27,079 --> 00:07:30,639 one twenty one point five. And then this shouldn't be surprising at all, 116 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,959 but the twenty sixteen, two thousand and seventeen Cleveland Cavaliers, that team was 117 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:38,920 just so fantastic on offense, and obviously you lose sight of what they did 118 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,199 a little bit, and maybe you shouldn't because the Warriors existed with Kevin Durant, 119 00:07:43,279 --> 00:07:45,600 but they had a one twenty point seven offensive rating, which is the 120 00:07:45,639 --> 00:07:48,600 fifth highest on record. If you set a benchmark of having to play at 121 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,160 least ten games in the playoffs, the number one mark would be this season's 122 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:57,439 Jazz at one twenty two point six. Then you would have the twenty twenty 123 00:07:57,439 --> 00:08:01,399 two twenty one Clippers at one twenty one point five, those that Cass team 124 00:08:01,439 --> 00:08:03,120 in two thousand and sixteen, two thousand and seventeen one twenty point seven. 125 00:08:03,399 --> 00:08:09,480 Then you get two two teams that are less recent in the eighty six eighty 126 00:08:09,519 --> 00:08:13,399 seven Lakers one twenty point three and then the nineteen eighty three nineteen eighty four 127 00:08:13,519 --> 00:08:20,399 Utah Jazz one nineteen point five. Really hysterical that the Jazz just appear on 128 00:08:20,399 --> 00:08:24,360 this list in the top ten of the raw offensive rating so often. If 129 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:28,399 anyone's wondering where the Kevin Durant Row Warriors fall, the twenty sixteen, two 130 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:31,720 thousand and seventeen Warriors, that team which was just lost one game the entire 131 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:37,279 playoff from one nineteen point four offensive rating through their seventeen playoff games, and 132 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:43,080 Brooklyn. If you go through this this season's Brooklyn team, they finished twenty 133 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,759 first, one seventeen point one. Do they have the potential to beat it? 134 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,399 I would say I want to say yes, but when you also are 135 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:54,279 going to rely probably on a lot more one on one basketball. Even though 136 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,960 you look at how the three stars have played together in Coal Lace, there 137 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:58,960 was blab movement, they did play off one another. I'm just wondering if 138 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,320 that's a little bit harder to do, which is why even the twenty sixteen 139 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,600 twenty seventeen Warriors, Yeah they're eighth, but they're not like and I'm not 140 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,759 saying they were a ball stopping team. They weren't necessarily, but when you 141 00:09:09,039 --> 00:09:13,360 have so many centric figure, central figures in your offense, does almost make 142 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:18,039 it more difficult to achieve these these offensive ratings where you look at the Jazz 143 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,600 success by committee or in Portland where it's really just Dame centric and then everybody 144 00:09:22,639 --> 00:09:26,639 else. That might be a float argument just because this year's Clipper, although 145 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:28,200 look, this year's Clippers showing up like Kaim missing so much time, so 146 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:33,759 it was Paul George and then the committee around him. Just something to sort 147 00:09:33,759 --> 00:09:39,840 of think about there. Next question we will move on to is too tall 148 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,600 Tony as what should the Rockets starting five look like? According to analytics? 149 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,840 This is so according to analytics, you really can't do it too much because 150 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,759 there's just been so much turnover on this team. So I kind of fucked 151 00:09:52,799 --> 00:09:56,879 around with a bunch of different four man combinations to see how I could you 152 00:09:56,919 --> 00:10:01,039 know of incumbent players and see how you could round out there. So what 153 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:05,000 I came up with here is John Wall, Daniel House, Christian Wood, 154 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,519 and Jay Shawn Tate. They had a net rating of plus thirteen point six 155 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,879 last year and about one hundred and seventy non garbage time possessions per cleaning the 156 00:10:13,919 --> 00:10:16,720 glass that is one no time at all. But again, if you wanted 157 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:22,200 to use incumbent rocket players, the samples are just inherently small given the turnover. 158 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,480 Also, injuries to guys like John Wall, Christian would miss time, 159 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,840 Daniel House missed a bunch of time, So you would start with those four 160 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:31,159 if you want to do this analytically, And I think you just round this 161 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,240 out with you know, maybe Eric Gordon might actually be the best player left, 162 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,559 but it has to be jail and green and not just given what you 163 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:41,840 saw for him to sing League. But like that, you have so much 164 00:10:41,919 --> 00:10:46,000 just future equity invested in that dude. Their actual starting lineup this season. 165 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,159 I'm not going to claim to have a feel for it. I think it 166 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:54,080 ends up being something like John Wall, Kevin Porter Junior, jail And Green, 167 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,919 j Jay, Shawn Tate, and Christian Wood. So it actually is 168 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,639 probably kind of close to that. I don't know if they would consider, 169 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,320 like do we want Chashn Tate coming off the bench and maybe we'll start Alperren 170 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,960 Shangun. I don't think you would want two rookies in the starting lineup, 171 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,519 and I'm just gonna assume that Jalen Green will be in the starting lineup. 172 00:11:11,519 --> 00:11:16,039 Maybe bring Kevin Porter off the bench. It's sort of that microwave sixth man 173 00:11:16,519 --> 00:11:20,039 and then you start Eric Gordon. But you might even just view Eric Gordon 174 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:22,600 as that microwave six man if there was a sixth player that was going to 175 00:11:22,639 --> 00:11:26,519 crack this group. So I have Wall, Porter, Junior, Jalen Green, 176 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:30,320 Tate, and would is my projected starting five, which is again very 177 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:33,120 close to what it would be if you were going, you know, by 178 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:39,720 analytics last year, you would simply just be taking out Kevin Porter Junior and 179 00:11:39,759 --> 00:11:43,759 putting in Daniel House there. I think it would probably be Daniel House that 180 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:46,679 would be the most likely to actually crack the starting lineup if we think that 181 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:52,600 Kevin Porter Junior isn't gonna be there. I just I can't see them starting 182 00:11:52,639 --> 00:11:56,240 a second rookie though maybe they should, like just Usman Garuba, Alperren, 183 00:11:56,279 --> 00:11:58,679 Shanegun, those guys probably need to see some minutes at the same position with 184 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,360 the four. Or you also have Jashon Tate who should probably play some four. 185 00:12:03,639 --> 00:12:05,679 So maybe they're just worried about lock jam there. But you also have 186 00:12:05,759 --> 00:12:07,039 some minutes where you could slop people up at the five because you have Wood 187 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,080 and Daniel Tyson just not many other bodies there. But if you're looking to 188 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:15,600 you know you're worried. Let's say you're just worried a little bit about Jayshon 189 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:20,279 Tate, Shangoon and and Usmont Gruba backing factor in the also Josh Christopher floating 190 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:22,159 around here. It's some high mon in the summer League. But they cap 191 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,240 that off. The analytics say, just based off the way that I use, 192 00:12:26,279 --> 00:12:28,039 I was trying to look for and by the way, like the one 193 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,159 sixty nine possession of Sam size I was using for those four of John Wall, 194 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:33,720 Daniel House, Christian Wood and Jason Tate, it was just among the 195 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:39,039 highest of their four man combinations. So I have those four and then you 196 00:12:39,039 --> 00:12:41,840 would just throw Jail and Green in there. If you were really catering to 197 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:45,679 analytics, maybe you go with Eric Gordon, just a more proven player. 198 00:12:45,919 --> 00:12:50,320 I would expect this to be a John Wall, Jail and Green, Jayshawn 199 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,559 take Christian Wood, then Kevin Porter junior situation. I don't feel comfortable about 200 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:58,039 that last spot. It could go to Daniel House, Eric Gordon. You 201 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,279 might even be able to make for David Nuaba in there, but I think 202 00:13:01,279 --> 00:13:05,000 you need more shooting, with more proven shooting within that that lineup certainly, 203 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:07,279 which is why Kevin Porter Junior, Chilling Green might maybe play together. And 204 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:11,879 that's a lot of just creation wrapped into one starting five. Let's move on 205 00:13:11,919 --> 00:13:16,039 to another. That's a fascinating question, by the way. Let's mode this 206 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:20,440 next question. Lee m asked, how does the Bucks offseason pickups look after 207 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:24,840 not resigning PJ Tucker. I'm not sure if I'm being trolled here because I 208 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,879 eviscerated the Bucks for not bringing back PJ. Tucker and what was clearly still 209 00:13:28,879 --> 00:13:33,120 a penny pinching move, And if you are trolling me, that's totally fine. 210 00:13:33,159 --> 00:13:35,720 I'm not offended. They did make their off season ended up being better 211 00:13:35,759 --> 00:13:39,840 than I expected given what happened there. You did keep Bobby Portis, which 212 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,840 was important. You did bring back George Hill, and the last time George 213 00:13:43,919 --> 00:13:46,879 Hill was good was in Milwaukee. The Grace and all trade was kind of 214 00:13:46,879 --> 00:13:48,519 sneaky. Someone who can shoot the three ball, give you a little bit 215 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,720 extra ball handling, and then you're just inoculated against Okay, when's Dante de 216 00:13:52,799 --> 00:13:56,200 Vincenzo coming back. They're not similar players, especially on defense. Deevencenzo is 217 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,639 going to give you a lot more there, but Grayson Now is more of 218 00:13:58,639 --> 00:14:01,679 a even guy with the ball on his hands and shooter than a Pat Connaton 219 00:14:01,759 --> 00:14:05,000 if you're looking for that type of look. And then Devenchenzo is gonna be 220 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,879 restricted free agent next year, So if he's too will Grayson Now and I 221 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:11,080 believe actually so, Donne Devincenzo is too expensive, kind of head your bets 222 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:16,120 with a Gray Grayson Allen there. So I like that, shemmy old July 223 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,639 kind of whatever, Like, is that your PJ. Tucker replacement? Because 224 00:14:18,639 --> 00:14:22,639 you might be able to play him next to those or within those Giannis at 225 00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:24,600 the five lineups, or were Jannis really isn't the five, but he's your 226 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,600 biggest player on the court. However you want to frame that. I like 227 00:14:26,679 --> 00:14:30,720 the rodney Hood flyer. So someone who gives you a little bit more creation 228 00:14:30,799 --> 00:14:33,679 juice and can hit spot up threes always is kind of underachieved defensively. He's 229 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:37,480 not super long for his size, but this is someone who stands six eight. 230 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:41,120 Maybe he'll be better in Milwaukee system when you're playing next to Drew Holiday, 231 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,440 Chris Middleton, and Jannis, especially all at once, if you have 232 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,440 him on a court there. I don't know if that's maybe too small for 233 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:50,960 the Bucks, but if they wanted to play rodney Hood is you're with Middleton 234 00:14:50,039 --> 00:14:54,000 and like sort of interchangeable to three four with Drew Holiday Donte Devincenzo, I'd 235 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,519 be there for that. So I think the Bucks off season overall it looks 236 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,080 it looks fine. But you have the ability to keep PJ. Tucker, 237 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,200 and I don't know why you wouldn't have. Maybe you just assume that his 238 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,960 offensive decline was going to continue. A great deal. He shot under thirty 239 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:11,559 two percent on corner threes in the playoffs. There were moments where it felt 240 00:15:11,559 --> 00:15:15,879 like he wasn't providing enough defensive value even I'm excusing me defensive value to offset 241 00:15:15,919 --> 00:15:18,960 the offensive value that he was taking away from you at the same time, 242 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,080 like that dude can really defend it. It's basically all five positions we saw 243 00:15:24,159 --> 00:15:26,480 him, like, he'll give you a real effort against Kevin Durant. I'm 244 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,039 gonna shut him down. But the fact that he could still do that, 245 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,000 I think you miss him. And if you're going to flesh outline us where 246 00:15:31,039 --> 00:15:37,559 Yanniston the coupo is your biggest player, I think you would rather have PJ. 247 00:15:37,679 --> 00:15:41,559 Tucker than a Shemy Ojila or a Rodney Hood involved there. And maybe 248 00:15:41,559 --> 00:15:43,879 you're able to get by, or maybe you just become more dependent on Jana's 249 00:15:43,879 --> 00:15:48,120 playing next to Portis or Lopez. I think that gives you real problems in 250 00:15:48,159 --> 00:15:52,639 certain matchups where if you're going against Brooklyn and they decide to downsize. Let's 251 00:15:52,639 --> 00:15:56,159 say you're going against Miami and bam Adebayo is there five and you know they 252 00:15:56,159 --> 00:15:58,000 have PJ. Tucker on the court with him. Also, if you want 253 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:04,639 to mismatch against Philly and make life more difficult on Joel Embiid, I think 254 00:16:04,639 --> 00:16:07,480 PJ. Tucker could have came in handy. They're just having the honest, 255 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:11,879 your de facto five there. That puts a lot of pressure on Joel Embid. 256 00:16:11,919 --> 00:16:15,879 Maybe it doesn't matter if Ben Simmons is still there. I don't think 257 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:18,759 it's crippling to lose Page Tucker, but they should have just kept them. 258 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:22,360 And look, they're they're in the tax as of right now, so I'm 259 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,960 not there. They're obviously still willing to pay to keep this team together. 260 00:16:26,039 --> 00:16:29,679 But let's one see how that sort of shakes out by the end of the 261 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,440 season. But also, I just I'm not saying PJ. Tucker is gonna 262 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,639 be the difference between between a repeat bid and then getting bounced in the first 263 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:38,240 or second round. But you had the ability to keep him. It seems 264 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:42,000 like he wanted to stay based off that Instagram post. How much money was 265 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:45,120 did the Miami he give him that you weren't prepared to do that, or 266 00:16:45,159 --> 00:16:48,919 maybe you didn't want to put the second year on his contract. I really 267 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,240 I have no idea. I still would have kept him, but too tall 268 00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:56,200 Tony, excuse me, but Lee, I think the Bucks offseason, you 269 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,000 know, if you're grading in and we are going to give out report card. 270 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,399 I need to dig a little bit deeper into this. I think you 271 00:17:03,399 --> 00:17:07,880 could give them a B or a C plus in the sense that did they 272 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,640 exceed expectations? No, did they miss them or actively damage their chances at 273 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:18,200 repeating? I would say no. So I just don't I don't feew it 274 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:19,519 is a great off season, but I think that they made some really nice 275 00:17:19,519 --> 00:17:22,920 moves on the margins. They just it would have been a home run if 276 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:26,119 this is the off season you have, and and PJ. Tucker, is 277 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:32,039 there another question let's go to I'm not going to answer that question, but 278 00:17:32,039 --> 00:17:36,279 it doesn't make me laugh. So we have some Frankie o'keena questions, so 279 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:37,880 I'm just gonna answer them quickly. Alex Emery asked, who would you rather 280 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,319 take a chance on, frank or Dante Xim. I think it's Frankie o'keena 281 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,319 for me. He's proven he could stay healthier in the sense that he's getting 282 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:51,240 more DMPs, where Dante Exim is just sort of been banged up it feels 283 00:17:51,279 --> 00:17:55,559 like his entire career and Frankie o keena is shown a little bit more of 284 00:17:55,599 --> 00:17:57,400 the last season and a half to three point shooter. I think Frankniel Keena's 285 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:02,839 best roles is a three and D wing just never been deployed that way consistently. 286 00:18:03,519 --> 00:18:04,680 Maybe people like the fact that exam might give you a little bit more 287 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:10,119 ball handling, and they've seen him go up against James Harden and you know, 288 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,839 hang tight in that battle. But Frankie Lukina has done similar things. 289 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:17,559 I would rather take a flyer on him, but I'm probably the wrong person 290 00:18:18,079 --> 00:18:21,759 to ask there. The other frank question we have was from Maya Rothbamb was 291 00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:23,359 Neil Keen is limited playing time the Olympics proof that he's not going to be 292 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:27,279 a long time NBA player. I say no, But again, maybe the 293 00:18:27,319 --> 00:18:32,400 wrong question here. I just he needs to be signed. Maybe he'll be 294 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:33,240 signed by the time you listen to this. I don't know. I'm just 295 00:18:33,599 --> 00:18:37,359 I'm actually shocked. A lot of other players are signed, you know, 296 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,039 Paul mill staple up. The whole letter of marketing stuff going on right now 297 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:45,640 just absolutely bizarre. Let's stick with the Knicks here. Noah Odadge asked why 298 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:49,839 does the NBA media hate RJ. Barrett. I'm assuming he's mostly kidding here, 299 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,480 or it's a response to the athletics, tear rankings seth part now who 300 00:18:53,559 --> 00:18:57,319 I do really like. I believe what was going around was here to defend 301 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:04,359 having Alex Caruso ahead of RJ. Barrett. I don't want to get into 302 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:08,680 the day what like the logic behind that. I don't know that the NBA 303 00:19:08,759 --> 00:19:11,000 Meda hates r J Barrett, but I got to ask this question on Twitter 304 00:19:11,039 --> 00:19:15,359 too, and when I was I wrote a piece about my most underrated player 305 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:18,599 on every NBA team, and some people want to know wide en pick RJ 306 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,960 Barrett for the Knicks. I think I guess based off the people I've talked 307 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,759 to that are outside the Knicks stratosphere. I feel like he's properly rated where 308 00:19:25,759 --> 00:19:29,559 it's like, oh, okay, he shot over forty percent from three and 309 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:36,240 he and he defended really well last year. It's and you know, he's 310 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,440 showed some flashes as a pastor two to me as well. But is the 311 00:19:38,559 --> 00:19:42,440 dribble jumper is just going to be the swing skill for him? That's what 312 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:48,599 kind of is the barrier between him and you know, a stardom course, 313 00:19:48,799 --> 00:19:52,680 and maybe people just haven't seen enough to believe that's that's going to happen to 314 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:57,000 his credit. You know, if you look at the sophomores and I sorted 315 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:02,519 this by just their second season or their first season. NBA players to qualify 316 00:20:02,559 --> 00:20:04,960 for the minutes per game leaderboard and then average at least seventeen points while shooting 317 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:11,160 better averagely seventeen points and three assists while shooting better than from three. It's 318 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:17,359 only happened seven times on record. RJ Barrett is one of them. Stephen 319 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:22,119 Curry has two of these seasons as a rookie and a sophomore. Bradley Beal 320 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,000 is on this list, Vince Carter is on this list, Hercy Hawk Hawkins 321 00:20:26,039 --> 00:20:30,079 is on this list, and so was Larry Bird. That's pretty good company. 322 00:20:30,519 --> 00:20:33,880 And both RJ and Beale were the two youngest players to do it. 323 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,119 They both did it before their age twenty one seasons. So I don't know, 324 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:41,519 I don't think he's going to turn into any of these players. I 325 00:20:41,519 --> 00:20:44,640 mean, you probably hope he has a better trajectory than Hawkins, who made 326 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:48,839 one All Star appearance for his career. But like that's encouraging, and I'm 327 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,200 just curious to see what type of role he's going to have this season on 328 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:57,880 a NIX team that really revamped their offensive pecking order where now it's not Julius 329 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:02,839 Randall all everything. You have Evan Fournier who can do stuff with the ball. 330 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,680 You have Kema Walker, you brought back Dark Rose, you brought back 331 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:08,160 Alec Burks, another guy who can create his own shot. And so does 332 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:14,160 that sort of pigeonhole r J. Barrett into the three and D type of 333 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,880 function, just because I don't know in what lineups he's going to be able 334 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,880 to branch out offensively, perhaps bench heavy units where it's him just plus the 335 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,480 bench, or at least you have him and then Kemba and Randall are on 336 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,839 the point. But even then you're still dealing with Okay Rose quickly he might 337 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,839 be in there. He's gonna need some touches too, and Alec Burks, 338 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,680 like I said, I'm just curious to see whether he's going to have the 339 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:41,839 opportunity to broaden his offensive skill set. He needs to work on that pull 340 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,079 up jumper, and we've seen like he can put the ball on the deck 341 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,519 and really get physical and go to the rim. But to be a super 342 00:21:48,519 --> 00:21:53,039 elite player in this league, there needs to be that layer of perimeter self 343 00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:56,799 creation that we have yet to see from him. Part of that is the 344 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,519 nixteven necessarily needed him to do that, and they need him do it even 345 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:03,440 less next season. The thing that's really interesting with RJ. Barrett is they've 346 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:07,200 kind of decided decided, and I get look, I've kind of made a 347 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:11,519 stink about them not bringing back Reggie Bullock because he was their most important perimeter 348 00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:15,680 defender. It does feel like the Knicks have made a conscious decision of we 349 00:22:15,799 --> 00:22:18,720 want shock creators. It's you know, maybe Kema Walker fell into the lap, 350 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:22,480 but even before then bringing back Derek Rose and then bringing back Alc Burks 351 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,519 and getting Evan Fournier, where I think he could have viewed it as Okay, 352 00:22:25,559 --> 00:22:26,400 well, if you were going to be in the mix for Evan Fournie, 353 00:22:26,519 --> 00:22:30,599 why bring back Reggie Why not Why bringing back Alc Burks instead of Reggie 354 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:34,759 Bullock. But now, okay, so you look at this and I guess 355 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:40,880 RJ. Barrett is going to get like some of the toughest, the toughest 356 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,279 assignments this season outside of point guard. I don't think they'll stash him on 357 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,880 those types, but like Evan Fournier, like maybe he'll be announced as the 358 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:51,599 starting three but like he's not defending if the you know RJ. Barrett between 359 00:22:51,599 --> 00:22:53,519 the two and the three in the starting line, if he's gonna be defending 360 00:22:53,519 --> 00:22:57,920 the tougher covers there, and unless you believe that like a Miles McBride or 361 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,720 a Quentin Gronge is wooked are going to step in and be the knicks best 362 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:06,640 defender perimeter defender anyway, Like RJ. Barrett is the single most important perimeter 363 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,480 defender on the New York Knicks right now. That's kind of wild to say, 364 00:23:08,599 --> 00:23:11,880 just based off what we saw from as a rookie. And yeah, 365 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,119 there was improvement, especially away from the ball as a sophomore. But that's 366 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,039 putting a lot of faith in him, and I'm interested to see how it 367 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:19,559 turns out. Of course, you can argue that both No One's will mtch 368 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:25,000 Robinson are better defensively than him. They're on the back line, though, 369 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,680 like RJ. Barrett is going to be just the primary wing defender. It 370 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:33,440 feels like it. So I'm very interested to sort of watch that process unfold. 371 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,039 I don't have a feel for how it's going to turn out. Let's 372 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:42,279 wrap up with another Knicks question. This one comes from Fred do the Knicks 373 00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:45,880 have a solid shot at the Eastern Conferences best of the rest, Milwaukee, 374 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,279 Philly and then Brooklyn Nets securing the top three spots in all likelihood. So 375 00:23:51,319 --> 00:23:56,599 he's asking about the fourth playoff seed. They what is solid? I just 376 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,440 you know, when you're looking at the East pecking order, I think they're 377 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,279 in that mix. It's the Knicks, the Hawks, the Heat, the 378 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,720 Celtics, and the Pacers. To me, right now, I'll be inclined 379 00:24:07,759 --> 00:24:11,279 to throw the Raptors in there. I don't know what to feel about the 380 00:24:11,279 --> 00:24:15,200 Bulls. That's seven teams that I think could justifiably be in there, and 381 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,079 that's assuming that Washington or Charlotte doesn't sneak their way in there. There's going 382 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:22,640 to be razor thin margins outside the top three in the East, and maybe 383 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,839 it's even outside the top two. Just we don't know if Philly is gonna 384 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:30,240 look like cal Ben Simmons is gonna play if if he is still still there, 385 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:33,039 I think if I had to pick, I think Miami or Atlanta, 386 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,519 both of them to me have a leg up on the Knicks. After that, 387 00:24:37,559 --> 00:24:41,400 I might be inclined to go with a fully healthy Pacers squad. Maybe 388 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,319 even the Boston Celtics. At this point, my spicy take could be that 389 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,519 if the Raptors stay together, that they'll have a better regular season record than 390 00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:52,039 the Knicks, But I honestly don't know. That's just not an insult. 391 00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:53,880 If you told me you could tell me the Knicks finished fourth in the East 392 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:57,319 next year, I believe you. You can tell me that the Knicks finished 393 00:24:57,319 --> 00:25:00,839 tenth, and I'd also believe you because that's how thin the gap is going 394 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:03,599 to be through all those teams there, and I think it's important to a 395 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,799 memorable Looking at the Knicks, Yeah, you do have to view through the 396 00:25:06,839 --> 00:25:10,119 prison of Okay, they did spend some long term money here. Don't buying 397 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,519 the fact that they're better set up to pull off a trade. They've just 398 00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:15,920 decided that they're going to get a star via trade rather than free agency, 399 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,920 which is a fine decision because they're choosing to remain competitive while they perhaps wait 400 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,680 for that deal and materialize. But just because they have these guys on multi 401 00:25:22,759 --> 00:25:26,480 year deals two years guaranteed and even Fournier's cases three years guaranteed, like they're 402 00:25:26,519 --> 00:25:33,000 not better set up to trade for a star like cap space and flexibility is 403 00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:37,000 just as valuable in those scenarios. But they did invest money in being good. 404 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:40,079 It was just most of it was low risk. I would say the 405 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,519 Evan Fournier deal is the one that just felt like I want to touch too 406 00:25:44,559 --> 00:25:47,240 far. If you're even gonna give them three guarantee years, that price point 407 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:51,519 have to be as high. From the team's perspective, lost my train of 408 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,200 thought from run. I was arguing, but, oh, growth isn't linear, 409 00:25:53,319 --> 00:25:59,079 and so the Knicks won fifty seven percent of their games last season, 410 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:00,960 and so that's a that's a seventy two game season. I don't think you 411 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,079 need to look at this and say, Okay, well, if they don't 412 00:26:04,079 --> 00:26:07,279 win forty seven games next year over the course with eighty two game season or 413 00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:11,559 more, it's a failure. They've regressed just because the East is going to 414 00:26:11,599 --> 00:26:15,319 be deeper and better depending on how healthy it is, so anything can happen 415 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,960 there, and that's going to be something render If they could technically win forty 416 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,160 games and maybe have just shown a bunch of improvement, maybe RJ. Barrett 417 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,240 hits it looks like they found stuff and flint grimes and duced mcgride. Emanuel 418 00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:30,920 quickly makes a jump as a facilitator, and just as importantly, maybe Julius 419 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:36,880 Randall has a great follow up campaign to what he did last season, because 420 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:40,119 that's a guy who you know. And this could be the answer to another 421 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,920 question, which is funny from James Ciaputo, what's the biggest improvement in a 422 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,119 player you've seen in the NBA can be a certain skill or overall jump. 423 00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:52,720 Julius Randalls just going from No. Not out of nowhere, but just second 424 00:26:52,759 --> 00:26:57,119 team All NBA. That's a huge leap. And so if he is even 425 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,319 close to as good as he was last season but you win fewer games, 426 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:07,160 that's still huge because it means that that contract that he signed four years up 427 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,079 to one hundred seventeen million, it could end up just being closer like four 428 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,480 and one hundred one hundred and five as the base That could really mean like 429 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,359 that means big things because then you have him on a below market deal. 430 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,759 So yeah, it's important. At the Knicks, I think to go beyond 431 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:27,119 the record and look at the performance of their individual players. But I would 432 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,079 not pick them as I would have both the Heat and the Hawks right now 433 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,319 in front of the Knicks, and a lot of things could change that health 434 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,200 actors being among them, and the Knicks might fall victims to that, like 435 00:27:36,279 --> 00:27:40,200 Kemba's needs, Derick Ross always hurt. They got really lucky with RJ. 436 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,920 Barrett and Julius rynolds durability last season. So there's a lot that goes into 437 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:49,359 that. To further answer James's question about a player or maybe a skill that 438 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:52,759 I've really seen from the jump, you know, I immediately looked towards Pascal 439 00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:56,960 Siaka when he most improved player in twenty eighteen nineteen. A lot of people 440 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,079 thought he had a down year last season. I think he was still pretty 441 00:27:59,079 --> 00:28:02,160 good even though the jump shot left him just that all around skill set when 442 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,519 you just look at how much of a niche role he was playing upon entering 443 00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:07,920 the NBA. Maybe it was more of a it was it was kind of 444 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:14,000 a gradual progression functionally, the makeup of the team change, going from Kyle 445 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,279 Lowry to Martin Rosen, having Kawai there or not having Kawai there. But 446 00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:21,519 it was just like these mega leaps from him, and to see that happen 447 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,240 multiple times, and then to have a season where he shoots so well from 448 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:26,480 three, even though that was you know, two seasons. Really we're shooting 449 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,680 fairly well from three when this was a guy that coming in you didn't think 450 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,160 could shoot. That's like, that's absolutely wild. Than I don't want to 451 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,200 stay on the Knicks with this one, but having Julius Randall like make the 452 00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:41,119 jump to second team on bat the age of t like his age twenty sixth 453 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,960 season, that's we just don't see that type of leap from a guy who 454 00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:49,960 was like barely in his best season. When you look at the year he 455 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,640 had a New Orleans was like maybe a fringe All Star. So that's really 456 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:02,640 just those two stand out to me. More recently, laughing at this one 457 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,880 from Miroslav Shook, longtime listener, who's a better defender Michael Porter Junior or 458 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:10,759 Damian Lillard? That is obviously funny, but it's Michael Porter Junior, And 459 00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:12,720 I actually think he improved on defense by the way, just like what the 460 00:29:12,759 --> 00:29:17,480 plays he can make as a helper, this is someone who can actually do 461 00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:19,759 some damage. So I don't think he's gonna be a great defender. But 462 00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:27,240 just something to keep in mind at Bird Untrust as do you buy the Lonzo 463 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:30,160 ball brand theory? Is Lonzo going to have a career high shooting season with 464 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,200 the lead changing from Spalding to Wilson. I don't buy into this theory. 465 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,799 I think it's an actual funny question. Lonzo kind of fixed this jump or 466 00:29:36,799 --> 00:29:38,759 even if the form still looks monkey when you look at the mechanics of it, 467 00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:41,440 the speed of it, Lonzo Ball is a good jump shooter. Now 468 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,640 we just we have off the catch. He's not hitting these off the drivel 469 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,119 triples. That would be ideally the next phase of his development. But that's 470 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,640 sort of what you're you're waiting on from him. But I think he's just 471 00:29:53,680 --> 00:30:00,920 reworked his jump shot more than more than anything else. So I don't buy 472 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:06,039 into that theory. Pained Sigh asked, who is the most average player at 473 00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:11,079 every position? So I decided to do this by looking at VORP and seeing 474 00:30:11,079 --> 00:30:15,839 guys who qualified it for the Minute's pre leider aboard and basically had an average 475 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:22,519 VORP. And then I built it by backcourt forwards and biggs to look at 476 00:30:22,519 --> 00:30:27,240 it. So you have your in the backcourt, you have Kelvin Johnson and 477 00:30:27,319 --> 00:30:33,559 Shake Milton your wings or Josh Richardson and Will Barton, and then your center 478 00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:37,000 would be Dwight Howard. That was looking at just last season, I didn't 479 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,440 want to have to put a thought into like who would be the most average 480 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,000 player in the NBA. Jamichael Green came awfully close to making this list. 481 00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:48,839 By the way, it's because both Barton and Richardson qualified as threes, so 482 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,279 Green could have almost made that front court as well. I would argue Jamchael 483 00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:57,599 Green is decidedly above average. So last season, by bye vorp, those 484 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:03,240 were your most most average players. Have a few more questions here, Let's 485 00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:04,480 let's see if we can tear through them. We actually have a bunch of 486 00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:07,680 more questions here, but it's the only time I'm gonna get through. Oh, 487 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,519 this one's great from Annion Sports. Which team would you pick to overtree 488 00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:17,119 achieve and which one would you pick to underachieve in the upcoming season? Probably 489 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,440 based off everything that's happened over the off season. I think a lot of 490 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,359 people are gonna gravitate to the Pelicons in some form here. I don't know 491 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:29,079 if you can necessarily pick them to underachieve, because I don't think you look 492 00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:30,759 at their offseason and think that, oh, this is a team that thought 493 00:31:32,319 --> 00:31:36,720 it got better. So yeah, my overachiever would be Toronto. A lot 494 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,119 of people are talking about, oh world they trade Siakam Could Van Flee find 495 00:31:40,119 --> 00:31:42,599 his way onto the trade block? What are they gonna do for shot creation 496 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:47,240 outside of Fred van Fleet? Even Pascal Siakam cano g handle that role as 497 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:49,640 Scotty barn is going to get a chance should they have paid Gary Trench Jrs. 498 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,559 The big Man rotation is still a little wonky because you have Chris Mache 499 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:56,960 and Ken Birch and Precious to Chiuwa, Like what what does all that look 500 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,799 like? How a line you're gonna be on? Utah Wanton Abby? This 501 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,559 this is a team I would expect if the makeup stays the same, that 502 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:07,559 is going to have easily a top seven defense, and then there's there's more 503 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,720 offense to plumb there than people are giving them credit for. As long as 504 00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:13,319 they have Gore in Dragus that's sort of the wild card there. But this 505 00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,880 is a team that no, I wouldn't pick them to come out of the 506 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,640 East. But as a regular season team, if you told me the Raptors 507 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,680 finished fourth or fifth, that wouldn't shock me. If they're healthy, they're 508 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,480 a team that's gonna win a lot of regular season games when you're looking at 509 00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:29,240 underachievers, I think it's the Chicago Bulls. You could also maybe think about 510 00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:34,200 the Lakers here just how combustible is the Russell Westbrook situation. But I can't 511 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,880 bet against Lebron James ever. I like Chicago's all season right up until the 512 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,119 Demartar rozen move. And I think Demardar Rosen is still a really good basketball 513 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:46,160 player, and that people conflate a player's value too much with his pay grade. 514 00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:52,920 The fit there is just weird, and I'm what is their defense going 515 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,559 to look? Like? They should have a really good offense, But then 516 00:32:54,599 --> 00:32:58,720 again, is there going to be too much, you know, usage cannibalization 517 00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:02,039 between Zach Lavin, Nicola Vukovic, and Demarta Rosen. I would probably argue, 518 00:33:02,079 --> 00:33:05,480 know, just because of the way Lavine and Vouge can play off the 519 00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,279 ball, but Kobe White sort of involved in that mix. What does the 520 00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:12,119 best defensive lineup look like? I'm assuming it's with Carusoe and Patrick Williams. 521 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,200 How do you flesh the rest of that out? Are those two closing and 522 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,119 then you just go with Lavine, Demartar Rosen and Vouch? I don't know 523 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,240 that I love that lineup. There's not a ton of shooting there. When 524 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,359 you really think about it, Vouge and Lavine will be the best shooters. 525 00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:27,240 De Rosen doesn't shoot threes. Crusoe is so so. Patrick Williams hit a 526 00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:29,920 decent clip of his threes last year as a rookie, but he's gonna have 527 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:36,400 to really nudge that up. So yeah, Chicago just seems very very combustible. 528 00:33:37,319 --> 00:33:39,400 And if there was another team out a pick as just an underachiever, 529 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,119 I'll go to the Western Conference here just for the sake of not focusing only 530 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:50,359 on the East. Probably Portland just I think people look at them even without 531 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,839 making changes. It is just sort of penciling them in as a playoff team. 532 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,680 I don't know that you can do that. If we're looking at which 533 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,799 of the top six teams are going to fall out, I'm not picking the 534 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,559 Jazz, the Soun's ven, the Nuggets without Jamal Murray. I'm Dallas, 535 00:34:04,599 --> 00:34:07,880 I guess because they still have limited shock creation around Luca. Maybe that's interesting. 536 00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:12,239 The Clippers without Kawai, maybe that's interesting. But it could be Portland. 537 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,199 It just could like what did they do how much? What did they 538 00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:17,840 do to improve the defense, like Cody Zeller isn't helping that. Ben McLamore 539 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,519 isn't helping that. So it's if use Off Nurkics is healthy and they keep 540 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:27,599 CJ. McCollum and Damian and Damian Lillard stays throughout the season, which my 541 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:29,880 guests would be that he would. I'd be shocked if he requests a trade 542 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,760 midstream and then Norman Powell has just an encoret or what he did last year. 543 00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:36,159 Yeah, they should be a solid playoff team. But like the Lakers 544 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:37,760 are going to be in the top six next year, I would be shocked 545 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,320 if that didn't happen. So one of the teams is getting bumped, and 546 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,320 I think you could I might pencil in the Warriors is a top six team 547 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,639 in which in which cases two teams getting bumped. So Portland is a team 548 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,519 where they've invested a lot or they're banking a lot on their current court, 549 00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:54,159 thinking that they're good enough to at least be that, and there's a chance 550 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:59,360 to me that they just aren't. So yeah, if you're looking for a 551 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,559 West achiever, that's a tough one. I don't know if I can really 552 00:35:02,599 --> 00:35:08,559 think of one in that conference. I don't have one. I honestly don't 553 00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:12,719 like maybe just the Grizzlies because they've so pivoted out of winning now and yet 554 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,559 maybe they'll stumble into a play in birth. Anyway, I don't think it's 555 00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:20,320 really gonna be the Timberwolves, even if they're super healthy. Oklahoma City is 556 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,440 going to do their damnest not to win twenty games next year. Maybe Houston, 557 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:28,519 just like if they keep this chord together and some of the rookies are 558 00:35:28,559 --> 00:35:31,960 good right away, I mean just between Josh Christopher Usman, Gruba Alpren, 559 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,639 Shane Gunen, of course Jalen Green like golen'a say, Jayen Green is Rookie 560 00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:37,480 of a Year, can late like one of the top two Rookie the Year 561 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,599 candidates, which is obviously not that far fresh of an idea. He was 562 00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:45,440 taking number two overall. But let's say he's in that combo decidedly. John 563 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:50,639 Wall stays healthy all year, Christian Wood as the follow up to what he 564 00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,199 was doing last season. Jay Shawn Tate looks as good as he did last 565 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:58,679 year. Daniel House is healthier and playing did over Eric Gordon. My guests 566 00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:01,159 would still be that the Rockets would trade out of anything that plays them towards 567 00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:04,400 the middle, because they're one of like four or five teams right now that 568 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,800 don't seem like they're actively trying to win. But if you get Jail and 569 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,880 Green and let's say like Garuba or alperushangun to be really good right off the 570 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,199 bat, you have something there. If you're signing Daniel Plis just a rock 571 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,280 solid player, backup point guard, could definitely get a little if he. 572 00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:22,519 Are you trusting dj Augustine? I mean you could maybe even go with Josh 573 00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:24,360 Christopher there for a little bit. Do you trust Jail and Green to do 574 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,679 it? Probably more of a wing in that situation. But I'm gonna go 575 00:36:29,679 --> 00:36:32,039 with the Rockets. They would be the biggest overachiever to me in the Western 576 00:36:32,039 --> 00:36:35,559 Conference. I'm not going to predict it, but that's if there's a team 577 00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:38,559 that just shocks us in the West, there's just so much better than we 578 00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:40,519 expect it. I don't it's not going to be at the top. It's 579 00:36:40,519 --> 00:36:45,840 going to be from the Houston Rockets. You heard it here first, please 580 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,840 and so please remember it. Let's make this the last question from Let's not 581 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,400 go to Camelot. The Warriors have a couple of spots open towards the back 582 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,400 of their roster in an open two way, who do you think they should 583 00:36:55,480 --> 00:37:00,360 drop and pick up in what remains of free agency. I don't want to 584 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,159 get him to necessarily who they should drop. I don't really get a feel 585 00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,360 for like what they want to do with the final spots of their roster. 586 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:13,679 It doesn't seem like unless it was going to be for Patty Mills that they 587 00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:19,679 want to trade to pay out the mini level exception, and right now there's 588 00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:22,639 not really players who are are worth that. My guests would be if they're 589 00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:27,119 going to cut someone, Gary Payton. The second would be the guy that 590 00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:30,079 goes. It does seem Mikes are gonna give him a chance there. Maybe 591 00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:32,760 it's it's Michael Molder. I honestly don't know. Look at the free agents 592 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:36,119 they coun still pick up. I think Paul Millsapp is a great fit there, 593 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,880 just as a big who can if you want him to be your five 594 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:44,199 essentially just be like the Draymond Greene Paul Millistapper on court I think could be 595 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,960 really good defensively despite its lack of size. Maybe even Paul Millsapp and wants 596 00:37:47,079 --> 00:37:52,079 Knoll Anderson in certain matchups. I don't think he could be low key important 597 00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:57,000 to maximizing James Wiseman. He just needs someone at the four who can dot 598 00:37:57,039 --> 00:38:00,320 the arc, and Millsapp has shot fairly well catch and shoot threes over the 599 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:05,559 past few years. Having him on the outside would then allow you to let 600 00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:08,639 James wisen work as the roller. It's harder to do that with Raymond Green 601 00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:12,559 on a court, even if Green is the ball handler, because he's not 602 00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:16,440 a threat from the outside. So Paul Millsap would be super ideal for them. 603 00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,639 I don't hate the idea. It does seem like they might be set 604 00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:22,800 on wing depth. But how much do you trust Moses Moody, Jonathan cominga 605 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,920 right off the bat, and Otto Porter has been more down than up over 606 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,760 the past couple of seasons. James Ennis could be a nice fit there, 607 00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:35,159 a stab in the dark type of player just to look at this team still 608 00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:37,599 needs someone who could put the ball on the floor, generate his own shot, 609 00:38:37,599 --> 00:38:42,519 and just light it up from outside. Is JJ Reddick healthy? Not 610 00:38:42,679 --> 00:38:47,679 like the quintessential guy to knock down to work in isolation, but like he 611 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:52,480 can hit pull up threes and he's rated in the ninety fifth percentile or better 612 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:57,519 of scoring a finish sheet scoring efficiency as the ball handler in the pick and 613 00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:00,239 roll each of the past four seasons, so it's got a huge part of 614 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,039 his game initiating pick and rolls. But to being the ninety five percent title 615 00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:07,320 or better in four straight seasons as he's getting older, that would be a 616 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:12,320 welcome addition if he's healthy. To me, especially until Clay Thompson comes back, 617 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,400 you still want that lights out sniper through Christmas. If he still prefers 618 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:20,000 to land someone in the northeast of Brooklyn or New York or a Boston, 619 00:39:20,199 --> 00:39:22,119 that does kind of throw a wrench in your plans. But New York doesn't 620 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,719 need another guard of his ILK, I would argue Brooklyn doesn't either after getting 621 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,760 Patty Mills. Boston's like kind of iffy. Maybe they could use someone like 622 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,639 him. But if they want to play Aaron A. Smith and Peyton Pritchard 623 00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:36,199 after what they did in Summer League, not so much. Philly would be 624 00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:38,679 the destination for Reddick, But Golden State to me, would would be just 625 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,800 super interesting that they could try their hand at, just because when you do 626 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,760 look at this, who are you banking on to be your backup point guard 627 00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,000 right now, maybe Jordan Poole. I don't think Reddick has to throw a 628 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,159 wrench in those plans. But if you wanted to be the team that takes 629 00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:55,880 a flyer on Frank Neelk just kidding, Isaiah Thomas, you could certainly do 630 00:39:55,960 --> 00:40:00,159 that. This mailbag was great. I hope you enjoined it again. We 631 00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:04,119 will get back to non solo pods next week. We have a lot of 632 00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:06,920 content coming up for your guys, so I hope you enjoyed at least these 633 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,599 solo mail bags. I'm so happy that we still get these responses to questions 634 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:14,280 you can. Oh wait, excuse me, I'm not done. I have 635 00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:17,079 a question in my DMS that I promised I would get to. So that's 636 00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:22,519 a preemptive ending. That's a premature ending to this podcast. But Stephen asked, 637 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,880 you started talking about the Grizzlies on the last episode. Do you think 638 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:29,400 they could be a sleeper team in the Ben Simmons sweepstakes. They're a small 639 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,400 market team with a ton of valuable metier contracts, Doing Brooks, Kyle Anderson, 640 00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:37,239 the Anthony Mountain, young players that could interest Philly either for now or 641 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,280 to be tacking sure star Zaire Williams, Desmond Bain, Brandon Clark, and 642 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,039 picks. They control their entire draft, along with the Lakers, Utah and 643 00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:49,079 going state first round picks. Do I he goes into some packages, so 644 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,159 two things here. He doesn't have, Steven doesn't have Jared Jackson. J 645 00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:54,760 You're going to Philly in this deal, whether it's a three team trade or 646 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:58,480 it's just a straight up trade of Philly. I don't think they're pulling this. 647 00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:02,280 You're getting this off. If you're Memphis without including John Jackson junior, 648 00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:07,199 you know you don't need another big of your Philly, but he can compliment 649 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,000 your well embedient. He's the best young player that you have that's not named 650 00:41:09,079 --> 00:41:13,679 John Moran, So I would think he'd be included unless you're just giving up 651 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:19,079 enough draft equity plus Desmond Baine and Layer Williams, And even then it's like, 652 00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:21,559 all right, are you rerouting a bulk of those assets to a third 653 00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:23,400 team that then sending the Sixers a star. That's what I think is so 654 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,519 complicated about a package like what Memphis could off, or even with san Antonio, 655 00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,400 you could talk yourself and they're being good fits for the sixers with players. 656 00:41:30,679 --> 00:41:34,960 But if they're looking for even a fringe star you're looking at you know, 657 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,800 are the Spurs is gonna give up Murray or Memphis Causial They're gonna give 658 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,199 up Jaron Jackson Junior. The other thing is I don't love Ben Simmons is 659 00:41:39,199 --> 00:41:43,440 fit next to John Moran. He needs the ball in his hands. John 660 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,880 Morant isn't a proven shooter yet, even though he did improve his three point 661 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,679 stroke towards the end of last season. So yeah, a lot of just 662 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,039 ify things there. I don't think Memphis would be a contender for Ben Simmons 663 00:41:54,039 --> 00:41:58,079 Stephen. That being said, based off all the assets that you listed out, 664 00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:00,280 and it's really just the draft picks that they've humulated beyond their own, 665 00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:05,599 they could sneak into whatever sweep stakes that they want. I don't know who 666 00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:10,679 the player is necessarily, I'm probably someone under contract or was gonna for multiple 667 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,840 years or commits to resigning with them. I really like Zach Lavina. Memphis 668 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,239 people provided push back on that. I think he'd be a great fit, 669 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:22,159 but with his upcoming free agency, do you trust him to stay? They 670 00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:25,079 could still get in on that type of a sweep stakes or if there's an 671 00:42:25,119 --> 00:42:29,760 opportunity in twenty twenty two draft to really move up. They have the package 672 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,679 if they want to go take another swing at that co star Apple for John 673 00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:37,239 Moritte, and they're in a really good situation with that. I like their 674 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,519 offseason, I think more than most people did, even though there's like an 675 00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:45,760 oddball directionality to what they're doing. But yeah, overall, I wouldn't expect 676 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,039 them to be involved in Ben Simmons. If he told me that karl anthy 677 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,920 Towns became available, which I don't think he will, like, that would 678 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,880 be someone I could see them going after. John Moritt and karl Anthy Towns 679 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:59,960 would make sweet Magic together. But that's not you know, karl Anthony town 680 00:43:00,159 --> 00:43:04,880 is not available, and there's not a lot of other young stars that are 681 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,079 under contract for well, it doesn't even have to be young, which is 682 00:43:07,079 --> 00:43:09,840 a lot of other stars under contract that you can envision requesting a trade. 683 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,519 They're not going. I doubt there would be a dark horse for Damian Lillard. 684 00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:15,320 That would really shock me. Rathery be On Levigne. I like both 685 00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:21,119 of them there, but you need commitments from them that they're going to stay. 686 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,360 So yeah, that will be the final question of this mail bag. 687 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:28,400 Again, I appreciate all the responses we get to these solicitations. Mail Bags 688 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,000 are some of my favorite episodes to do because I like hearing what you guys 689 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,320 were thinking, like responding to your questions. Want to engage you as much 690 00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:37,280 as possible. If you ever have a random question and you're not responding to 691 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,039 a mailbag solicitation, you could hit my DMS up at Damp Valley. You 692 00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:44,280 just at Harder Knocks and at Damp Valley, both of us to make sure 693 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,519 that you see it at Promise or nine as well. Until next time, 694 00:43:46,519 --> 00:43:49,559 I will you get the shout out to the one, the only, the 695 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,840 somehow still unsigned Frank Nilikina