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It makes you feel like moments battle
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logical and even a little cynical.
I' m saying that because there'

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s a side. I have a
thousand dark sides and few people come to

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see him now my husband. Definitely
yes, I sleep consulates feed a monster

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inside me when I' m like
a cynic, because yes, it'

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s true, there are ugly things
in the world, but it' s

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not the only perspective. And if
I' m with someone who starts telling

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me that the world is going to
end and what I' m not saying,

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yeah, they' re waiting to
run I have to have my ranch

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and my garden. I start looking
for ranches in different applications. Let'

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s just say I' m the
father and you' re confessing to me.

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I can never talk about that.
Wow or that I heard from you

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or literal I can revoke my licenses. If someone comes and throws poison into

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the wine before that of the time
of Communion, of the Eucharist, I

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have to go and still serve it
this way of intention two. My wife

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found all her I don' t
know her her Iki Gai, her Iki

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Gai, in what was praise and
music and everything creative and I stayed half

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floating. You have to hear me
I mean, there wasn' t that.

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And if there was one that you
Neta said yes, yes, I

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will. Yes, yes, or
there were two that if they moved my

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mat and very very generous, very
very in good faith, all very cool,

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but every time I got serious with
God I said no, I mean

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not even something with your dad was
not something full with literal God someone came

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and told me if you come out
of this piqui plant a church. Let

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' s say in Guadalajara to Mazotlan
Bayart are the three cities around Tupic and

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there' s nothing left. Two
and a half hours tops. We don

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' t pay you the salary for
a year on what you' re there

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and church plants and every time we
record it was no. No, no,

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very clear, every time I put
on series I flirted him and then

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I didn' t. And how
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life. We started working and when
you started working on something you admired,

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start seeing everything bad from day one
not like those who don' t work

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in the church and then hire them
and then start not. It was what

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you worked in church and be careful
and there were instances in which we did

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feel God as a child if we
go to such a place and if we

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go to such a place, if
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And I remember very much that in
the midst of that feeling it became easy

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for us to criticize the place where
God had put us and practice our pastors

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and criticize our collaborators and enter as
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And nobody understands me and nobody knows
what I' m going through and

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how hard it is. And I
remember God used Taylor and Robert to and

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from those movies. As I change
the world, I change the game I

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want to do can be a Christian
and fast sig oh. That can grab

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our imagination and tell us this is
how you see it or. If you

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' re not a lighter how how
chow focus and how about lat lovers,

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what do I tell them? Welcome
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s what I want you to say
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ones won' t know what we
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that we know, that you already
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it up. Today we have a
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Today is with us and everyone in
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okay, today is with us,
Mike, our friend Yesa, Chi Chi

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Chi Hi, yes, how are
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well, you' re a man
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been intro for two minutes and that
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15 minutes to half an hour.
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intros are usually from both of us, they' re from both of us.

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I guess what' s mine is
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when I intro it' s shorter. Hey, but to be a man

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of few words, you talk a
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right, how you do it is
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Yeah, I could have a podcast
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I' d go away like this. I' d be very disembodied and

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it was very difficult at first,
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You' re not going to talk
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my notes and I' m almost
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camera here and I didn' t
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it was more. Yeah, I
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awkward every time how many your podcasts
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sixty minutes, more or less.
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and a half, between an hour
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time we like the most. An
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be yes, an hour and a
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' s what we handle. Jesse
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ve heard the most about and I
enjoy listening to you most about is the

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concept of a long obedience in the
same direction. Yes, very often.

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You talk about God telling you to
stand on tepic and talk about all the

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wonderful things in tepic. What are
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Tepic, Ahorita, What again,
new, something new, something that we

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don' t know or something old
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So there' s one there'
s a slip you pic ok one maybe,

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there' s already two but there' s one that' s in

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the park and the hill ok and
it' s been since I was a

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kid, but it' s been
since my mom was a kid. Oh

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wow, it' s made of
concrete, solid and not to say it

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falls straight to the ground, that
is, there are people, there are

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some gentlemen who put up with caps
of like attractor and rent it to three

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pesos for the clear trip and you
sit on it and fall and the slip

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falls the ground, but it'
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so the joke is that you just
stick to the floor and slip to the

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stairs that' s more or less
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is, you stay away because it' s still going down and then you

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get to the stairs down the stairs, you don' t get to some

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stairs that go up there then,
but the joke. If you can get

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to it, you see, then
they' ve been there since I was

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a kid. I remember coming in
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afraid and you ever got over that
laugh. Yeah, I rent three pesos

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for the lid and it was the
same. It' s three that'

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s the lid or three times three
three- weight kisses, three weights and

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a kiss or a kiss. The
gentlemen negotiate yes, hahaha, then there

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are three, three pesos the rent
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t be then and I imagine it' s a family business, not like

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the more than ps of your wife' s mom any, the family grandfather,

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the one who had the business and
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the grandson. Someday I' m
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m gonna interview him. Bro or
before the most you' ve won in

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a day you, which is the
craziest thing you' ve ever seen concrete

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reading hear and soy, has gotten
over that slip. No, you don

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' t have to take him,
you have to take him. It would

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be a good initiation. I think
he' s old enough. If you

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break an arm right now, it' s like a chido character, like

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if you omen, but at the
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his exact face. What doesn'
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weak or as it is not,
what doesn' t make you weak,

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makes you more dead, dead,
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all that, I mean, obviously
you' re not a city like Juárez,

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as well as the step. It' s no longer an easy city

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to stand in. Not obviously,
there are a lot of temptations and a

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lot of opportunities that suddenly, the
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the more they present themselves to you
in front of you and I imagine that

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throughout your ministry there has been no
lack of anyone who comes and offers you

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a very good opportunity for work,
a very good opportunity for ministry. But

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one thing that I admire and admire
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faithful there in your church. How
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' s say Tepic. I grew
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was like the base you are war, and then we went as if to

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the ranches not mission family Then I
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a little bit towards Nayarit and Brotherhood
and Ranchites like that Brotherhood, Brotherhood,

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Brotherhood is where I have more memories. St Ignatius, Brotherhood. I don

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' t know It' s a
brotherhood. What' s the point of

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friends and cofrafra day? Or it' s friendship day. Uh- huh

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February 14. Something like this was
founded on February 14. Buying a day

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makes perfect sense to me. Yes, yes, yes, yes, Saint

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Ignatius. The only memory I have
is I don' t have two.

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A ra that made me pip asleep
as we traveled because on Sundays we went

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to church. In the morning,
Mazotlan and then we went to the ranch.

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And then I got on the road
and I got all scared of the

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gle to the ranch and all my
friends were there and I stayed in the

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truck. No, yes, I
remember if you had, I don'

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t know, eight or nine,
or it was already big out there,

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because yes, it would make you
worse. Yes, speaking of peeing I

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didn' t know yesterday Marcos Witá
was telling us that he until ten i

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is public knowledge. He said it. Yeah, until he was sixteen,

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he was pip I didn' t
know that anymore, and I liked the

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joke he made. He made this
joke. Then I guess I can repeat

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it. I think so. I
guess he didn' t say it online,

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so they can see it online.
It' s online, okay.

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I think the worst is over.
He' s already told the worst.

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I guess so, but he said, he said the joke helps him.

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My parents said instead of putting Marcos
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on me and that made me very
quick and everyone in the auditorium laughed a

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lot. The same thing happened to
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but I was about eight. Then
that and then another time a girl

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we were going with was the same
age. It wasn' t like my

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friend at that age told me to
throw a stone over a total child,

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no more scaring him and I took
an or, it was a rock of

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this flight filled small ra, there
are stones, there is fart. She

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was a rock and I shoved her
in and I gave her fair. The

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face, just the nose is bleeding
then, but brotherhood. Yeah, I

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remember more. But St Ignatius,
he passed you with a hole. Not

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like this, not poor boy to
date. You like that, listen to

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what Lope tells you what your wool
dads told you. It was horrible.

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It was horrible. You were a
lazy kid. We used to live here

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It used to be tremendous. Yeah, but no, no, no,

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not so much, no, not
so much, but tell us about it.

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So some of your best childhood pranks. I wasn' t cruel,

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I mean, in one when we
first got to Tepic, we planted the

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church. I was one of the
three children in the church. Not clear

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and once the teacher comes in and
I begin to sing along with my friends,

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Master dog face, teacher the teros
home. Yeah, and she started

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crying, she ran off and stepped
on a hole broke her ankle with smoke.

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I' d finish the roll,
mastered as a dog. Yeah,

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no one can sell it. Something
like that, something like that. It

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was horrible. Oh my h yes. No, yes, I had several,

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and your parents scolded you a lot
or they were like passers- by.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, I got scolded.

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How I feel that you' re
someone who, naturally, as a good

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boy right now, you said you
were a cruel child. Obviously, since

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we know you, you are an
extremely noble and sensitive person, but you

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have your dark side, your sense
of humor, already reveals that you enjoy

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certain things. What I' d
call them dark cruel. But no,

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no, no, no, no
irreverent reverence, yes, irreverent. How

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you think it' s like having
that kind of personality and being in a

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church, that is, son of
a pastor, wherever it is, it

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tends to happen that people with that
personality don' t feel like they fit

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into one or they' re not
like so leaders. I mean, they

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don' t find their place,
they don' t have it and they

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have it, but it' s
hard to find their place inside the church,

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because in the church everything is like
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the good side of things and talk
life and I don' t know how

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you survived your adolescence, your youth. Not everyone who knew me as a

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teenager, that is, the way
they describe me is bully, although I

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don' t know if it was
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I had no one to buy it
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and my sense of cruel humor and
whatever it was was sarcasm and yes very

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sarcastic and it could be cold and
distant. And but that same thing led

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me to a very isolated adolescence.
I don' t think we have more

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or less the same testimony. Yeah, being alone a lot and her,

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I mean, for me I ran
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re more on video. And all
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is, when I was seventeen years
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also marrying I mean, I started
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on to young people. I realized
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I don' t know it'
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it wasn' t being a pastor, of course, and I think all

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that stuff like seventeen to twenty fairs
definitely changed things. But yes, my

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adolescence was dark distant, I mean, and it' s very busy those

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personality traits. It' s something
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that is, it doesn' t
make you like moments to battle with your

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faith like being someone extremely logical and
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saying that because there' s a
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and few people get to see it. Already my wife, definitely yes,

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I sleep dark consulate, but I
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with him, Linderlin, with at
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that at times I have felt like
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but it is a struggle in like
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faith and the faith of children.
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' s something you' ve heard
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speaking of the Bible, it'
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and that' s why I really
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story of Jonah is a cynical prophet, no yes, and there is an

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argument that he is. History as
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more on the side that it is
more metaphorical and was a warning story against

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prophets, because there were schools of
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Jonah is like in the almost comedy, prophet of a good prophet. And

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Jonah is the story of a cynic. He suspects God, suspects people.

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He doesn' t want what'
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your comfort, just look for this
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not his small branch, which gives
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waiting for the city to be destroyed. Yeah, and what makes it a

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little comedy isn' t so much
fish as things like cows repented. It

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' s not like ok Shida.
History is fun, but seeing someone like

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that works a little bit like a
ghost. They' ve heard me talk

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about ghosts. I don' t
feel like there are people that God puts

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in your life to say that.
Not like it roars like the scurge that

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comes the ghost of the past,
present future and the one of the future

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teaches you here goes your life.
If you go on like this, then

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I feel that Jonah works like a
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the school of prophets, because prophets, even though there is a lot of

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accusation, warning to judgment, there
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the end. So, if you
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you have someone with whom I most
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That' s the emotional one,
it' s the dramatic one in

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many ways, but it did suffer
a lot, too. But always with

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jeremies you see that turn as if
things are wrong. Everything will be lost

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the temple, the wall will be
destroyed, Jerusalem will fall, it will

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be lost We will be exiled seventy
years. But then there comes things like

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the famous Verse. All of that
comes in the context that they' ve

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already crushed the city, already destroyed
everyone. And then there is a verse

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Jeremiah twenty- nine eleven. I' m because I' m too old.

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I know the net, I have
perxact planet and there' s no

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harm in stopping you for a future
and hope. Then you see that Jeremiah

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was not cynical. Of course,
you wouldn' t say that' s

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from your favorite verses. Out of
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Yes, I like it because the
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itself does not allow us to have
a positive attitude. And everything' s

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fine and everything' s gonna be
fine. And it doesn' t let

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us have an or, that is, it doesn' t let us go

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to any exclato specialism or optimism.
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I don' t even know if
it' s like shooting. Charles Dickens

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says it' s the best of
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' re always living in those two. It' s not how it depends

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on how you got up that day. You' re going to see,

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for example, I' m not
sure it' s the best and then

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I get sick. Ah, it' s the worst. We are always

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living between attention, burden and blessing, gold weighs, not then the prophets

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have then having the cynical attitude.
There he is, I mean, there

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he is. I can become very
suspicious. I can believe the worst of

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people and I have to be.
I have to discipline myself not to turn

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myself in to that, because I
know what it is. I' ve

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got people in my life who function
like ghosts of themselves from always looking for

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the worst in someone in the church
or tepid and you don' t keep

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those people close or just watch them
from a distance, that is, how

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close someone gets to a ghost without
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There are ones that are necessarily close, you don' t understand,

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that is, not specifically. I
don' t, but some have clear

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family members can work as some have
as their own parents. Not sure,

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of course, then sometimes you'
re forced to sit with or see all

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the consequences behind a ghost' s
cameras. So some of them, some

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of them, are still close to
my life, people who might be ghosts

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in a certain area. I don' t eat but in question myself,

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I don' t like being you
hurt, I don' t mean being

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yes, it' s food for
a monster inside me when I' m

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cynical, because yes, it'
s true, there are ugly things in

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the world, but it' s
not the only perspective. Totally you,

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you' d consider forgiveness. I
mean no no, I can identify a

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lot with that, like depending on
who I' m with, but I

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kind of automatically hear negative voices for
some reason louder and faster. And if

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I' m with someone who starts
telling me that the world is going to

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end and that I' m not
saying yes it' s true, it

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' s a lie or that I
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I start looking for ranches in different
applications and that have basement, that

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have ungenerated jack or have yes yes, of course, my orchard, my

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vegetables, I, as my own
I have even searched that where it is

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near a well that is, I
can go very quickly to one side very

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rough and it affects me very much
what I see sometimes in social networks,

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of conspiracies and of data. Everything
can still affect me a lot, because

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I think I' m prone to
believe it already and it' s important

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as not to resort to ignorance,
but not to feed those monsters that we

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all have from different legs than we
caught. Let' s just say good.

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Anyway, hey, you, one
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You know, you know why it
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Yeah, yeah, it' s
one step ahead. He' s hearing

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me, but you, considering someone
cynical to some extent, you fight with

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guilt, like something that happens to
me a lot is that I have a

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day full of interactions. I'
m someone very extroverted. So, in

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every one of my interactions there'
s something I rescue for good and there

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are several things that make me guilty
for bad. Then I take home at

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night and I kind of play the
tape all my day and say don'

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t smudge or I had this interaction
with such a person, I said that

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to such a person, but I
feel that I could have hurt such a

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person this way or another you battles
with sometimes going back to those thoughts.

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And ah ya, I mean,
especially in humor, either you joke with

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someone or you' re short with
someone. Yeah, I mean, then

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I wouldn' t have joked like
that, I mean, I was kidding,

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but I don' t know if
they took it. Yeah, they

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gnawed or we were joking a lot
about someone who wasn' t there.

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or yes, that' s humorous
gossip, himself. All that is one

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of my vices that I have to
be constantly disciplining. And there are people

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who can, that is, there
are times that you can, that is,

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loose, loose your belly and you' re okay and they won'

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t judge you and everything' s
fine. And but yes, I do

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see how it' s distorting,
how I see a situation or yes,

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the church or politically or whatever,
you don' t start talking about something

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and it does distort very quickly.
And I think I fight a lot with

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that, because, like, they' re the subtle sins of all of

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us, I don' t think
that sometimes we tend to be more permissive

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with certain sins and it' s
not so bad or it' s just

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humor. Or they pass us,
they pass us over or even count.

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We' re giving ourselves that we' re already falling and I think that

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when you' re in a leadership
position of shepherding, sometimes you give yourself

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more those permissions, because you know
things about the lives of a lot of

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people and all of a sudden you
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I mean, I was with some
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I was fascinated by how to talk
to them like to see what their life

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is like, what it is like
and I said, well, I mean,

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there' s nothing to look good
on, I mean, it'

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s not like there' s no
pressure, I mean, we' re

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here as friends and open and we' re talking about two different ways,

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even though we serve the same God, not but very different from those two

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lives And there I' m asking
you how much you want things, gentlemen,

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but I asked you that and I
asked a Monsignor Hey, you'

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re gossiping like when you get together, you talk about such a father in

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such a place and he said yes, yes, we' re the same

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thing today I asked you and who
you' re talking about. No,

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and I didn' t know anyone
from the names. No, but they

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have their figures, which are ghosts. I mean, there are people they

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allow themselves to talk about now and
then and they go and ask forgiveness and

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confess. It' s what they
have that we' ve lost. The

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culture of confession is very good.
We need to talk about that a little

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bit, because I think it'
s a practice we should follow. Yes,

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the Bible is very specific. Do
not confess your sins to one another

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and pray for one another, as
in the Protestant attempt not to fall into

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religiosity or you know how to do
things just by doing them. We have

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lost very good practices that have been
learned from the issue of confession. So,

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to honor him, a little bit. Father Borre is from Monterrey great,

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that bato, that father' s
sorry is super cool and the truth

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is. I was told a lot
of things about specific confession where we were

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talking, but they take it,
they take it very seriously. They take

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it almost like I don' t, like we say I' m the

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father and you' re confessing to
me. I can' t talk about

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that anymore Okay, I heard from
you or literal They can revoke my license

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or how that is. A psychologist
doesn' t need very similar. Then

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there are certain laws that protect them. So, if someone comes in,

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confess if there' s a crime, but that' s the thing.

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Nor can they act according to it. Then let' s say you come

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and tell me, because I put
a bomb in the socket, what happened.

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I can' t tell the police. So strong and he told me

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In fact, if someone comes and
throws poison at the wine before that of

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the time of communion, of the
Eucharist, I have to go and still

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serve it this intensely. Oh two, and I told him I' d

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go and I' d drop it, not like he throws it or ups

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and he says to me and you
know what he says to me. I

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would tell you that you are a
man of little faith, because for them,

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in the literal Eucharist, the host
and wine become the body and the

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a. I don' t know
if everyone believes that, or is or

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is broken, and there are certain
branches that believe that in ok Ah the

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word is gone, but not everyone
doesn' t know if the father erases

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what grew. But they do take
it very seriously, because they see it

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as if you are confessing it to
God. And they' re the intermission.

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Ok then I break with the confidence
to be intermediate. You' re

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not confessing to me. You'
re confessing to God Aha, and I

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' m lending you, I'
m lending my ear to God. And

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then everything about penitentiaries. It'
s not, it' s not,

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it' s not like you saw
your twenty- five Marybirds, as many

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Christians would clearly criticize ah they want
to pay for it with parents, our

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and Marybirds. No more, that' s where they take the time for

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me to see you dressed up.
Yeah, let' s say, go

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talk to your wife and apologize.
That' s not your penance and forgiveness.

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I mean, I should have gone
over what he told me. But

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I was surprised. W Juan seriously
take it because being pasador and being in

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counseling times, it' s not
like you come out of it to gossip

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it or then clear. But sometimes
I feel like pastors, we don'

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t take it so seriously that the
person wasn' t talking to us.

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WOW, they' re confessing to
God through us and me getting in the

415
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:43,240
way of that. Wow, yes, acting on a basis. I don

416
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:45,880
' t mean yes, I think, as pastors, going to test tell

417
00:32:46,039 --> 00:32:52,000
parents, don' t urinate and
then how much drama we wouldn' t

418
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,519
avoid in church. I don'
t mean, as a young shepherd,

419
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:55,960
I don' t know how many
times I broke that trust. Yes,

420
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,200
that is, and I am very
gracefully ashamed now that I broke that trust

421
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:07,480
of some young people who came and
confessed what was going on. Now or

422
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:10,480
maybe you don' t tell parents, but you take some measure, not

423
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:15,119
that since I' m not serving
there, because exactly, that' s

424
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,119
very difficult, that' s a
very difficult attention to handle, because obviously,

425
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,119
we' re all humans trying to
navigate. The responsibilities that touched us

426
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:29,960
can be very good motivations, of
course, of course. But returning a

427
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:36,079
little bit to the subject of You, taking the step of staying in tepic

428
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:42,039
indefinitely. We talked, I mean, you just put an inception in me.

429
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,599
I' m going to think about
the secret of confession for months,

430
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:54,000
that is, I was going to
think about how many femicides in Mexico have

431
00:33:54,079 --> 00:33:55,880
been confessed and are unsolved or so. It got me figured out and I

432
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,799
think most of them confess after they
made it clear. Sure, I mean,

433
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,000
they already confessed. But the police
don' t know and, for

434
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,599
example, I told him if there' s a bomb in the socket and

435
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:09,480
they tell you. He told me, because the penance would be of disarming,

436
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,320
of course, of course there give
yourself to the police and of course

437
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,599
they have done that totally. So
that' s where you talk to such

438
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:22,639
a person or go and give yourself
up wow is part of there are penitentiaries

439
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:25,000
movements, like I think it is. I don' t know the way

440
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:30,960
that was explained to me was very
at the discretion of the father and then

441
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:37,000
yes I' m not going to
stay thinking about it like that for a

442
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,519
whole month, but how do you
decide. Well, I feel that although

443
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:45,360
this at first sight is not very
glamorous and even in the middle of having

444
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,480
other opportunities, I' m going
to be obedient, I' m going

445
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,719
to take the long way. How
that process has been for you, as

446
00:34:52,400 --> 00:35:02,960
it was we were shepherding abnormally for
eight years and at the end of that

447
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:07,119
it was very clear the call to
leave anort ban to hand it over to

448
00:35:07,119 --> 00:35:12,159
Alvin. But the next step was
never clear. And that' s the

449
00:35:12,159 --> 00:35:16,840
physical, and then we make that
change. I knew it was Alvin,

450
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,239
I was already half- girlfriending there
with aut They weren' t boyfriends yet,

451
00:35:22,679 --> 00:35:28,519
but you see there they were going
to end up together and we already

452
00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:30,280
trust them. We knew it was
going to do well. But me,

453
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:37,239
my wife, found all his I
don' t know, his iki Gai,

454
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:42,159
his Ikiggai, in what was praise
and music and everything creative, and

455
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,960
I stayed half floating already i fiouman
i mean, there was no ah I

456
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:52,400
have that where I kind of concentrated
all my energy, where, I mean,

457
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:58,639
I had a team of leaders and
I had projects and events and Ilesia,

458
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:04,679
because my dad is still the pastor. Sure, sure, it'

459
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,119
s your people, it' s
your team, it' s not God

460
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:13,400
' s, of course, of
course, but you understand you don'

461
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,760
t work with these people according to
your culture that I' m building.

462
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:19,800
And then I started to suspect maybe. God is calling us out, whether

463
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:25,719
it' s a short period,
whether it' s planting another church from

464
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:31,159
the source, or I don'
t know what' s going on,

465
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:38,159
and right then we got several offers
to get out literal people coming in and

466
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:45,440
come to work for five years or
Benny, we paid you so much and

467
00:36:45,519 --> 00:36:46,320
if there was one that you Neta
said yes, yes, I' m

468
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:52,360
going to do yes, yes.
There were two that did. They moved

469
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:59,480
my mat and very very generous,
very very in good faith, all very

470
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:04,519
cool. But every time I got
serious with God I said no, I

471
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:07,440
mean, not even something with your
dad. It wasn' t something full

472
00:37:07,559 --> 00:37:10,960
with literal God. Someone came in
and told me if you came out of

473
00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:15,039
this pic plant a church. Let' s say in Guadalajara to Mazotlan Bayart.

474
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:21,079
It is the three cities around Tepic
and there are two and a half

475
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,360
hours left to the maximum. We
didn' t pay you the salary for

476
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,960
a year in what you' re
there and church plants and every time we

477
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:35,280
recorded it it was no, no, no, very clear, very every

478
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:39,079
time I put on series and flirted
with it and then not and how he

479
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:46,840
listens not from God. In your
life I don' t know, I

480
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:49,960
don' t know how to describe
the green light and the red light.

481
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:58,360
It' s something you know.
I try to explain it as the voice

482
00:37:58,519 --> 00:38:02,039
of God is stronger and more audible. Not because audible talk, I mean,

483
00:38:02,599 --> 00:38:07,920
people are listening to that right now
and they' re going to hold

484
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:12,199
back a clear ten percent. No, I mean, you forget you'

485
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,280
re going, I mean, there
have been times my wife tells me how

486
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,480
her whole day went and I didn' t go through a second of attention.

487
00:38:17,679 --> 00:38:22,760
Of course I heard it audibly,
but not anymore, no, nothing

488
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,519
happened. No, yeah, that
happens a lot. Not a little bit.

489
00:38:25,639 --> 00:38:30,840
Not a little bit alike to seem
fair. I said things to myself

490
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,039
and he didn' t listen to
me. So it' s so even

491
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:38,280
as well, but it does load
the ballad hears, but it does as

492
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:43,119
if the no or the yes of
God is something, but it invades your

493
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:45,039
whole body. What' s more, what' s more, your senses

494
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:49,119
are deeper. Then, the way
I described it before was the voice of

495
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:52,800
God. It' s a voice
that makes me cry or makes me feel

496
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:57,559
a knot in my throat when I
heard someone preaching or something was like there

497
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:01,119
was a moment. But then listening
to one of those Ricky Moares, a

498
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:07,239
professor of Old Testament theology, someone
asked him how I know, what God

499
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,360
' s voice is like, and
he answered. It is a voice that

500
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:15,159
always breaks the heart wow, because
it touches the tenderest places in it.

501
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:21,480
Then I said ah it' s
prettier than I' m going to cry,

502
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,199
it' s deeper. So,
then you' re crying here and

503
00:39:27,639 --> 00:39:31,400
now you' re followed by movies
not ok, but for example, the

504
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:37,400
night in praise, yes you'
re crying, yes, my son was

505
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:37,880
lasting and how it doesn' t
move you, how it doesn' t

506
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,800
move you. And then, in
good spirits, when you meet, I

507
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:49,760
know he' s God. When
I feel that shit, it grabs me

508
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:54,159
as a surprise to each other,
because every time I presented it I felt

509
00:39:54,159 --> 00:40:01,119
more that, that feeling with him
stay in tepic ok he doesn' t

510
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:09,159
go out and wow and so it
was like three years or so fighting with

511
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:13,320
being between those two. And then
every time there was a nicer offer.

512
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,159
And then ah is that God said
that not for this truth was this was

513
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:24,480
this and every time it was no
and I was going to Hilson' s

514
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:30,800
conference in Australia. Or while I
was already there, one of the shepherds

515
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:36,039
comes and greets several of us and
when he greets us, he shakes our

516
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:37,800
hands at this and when he sees
me, he shakes my hand, shakes

517
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:43,880
my hand. It makes me one
of those things like it cut you off.

518
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,320
Yeah, I mean, they scan
me completely and I feel like I

519
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:52,480
know I' m fat, but
no more. I have oh, no

520
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:58,519
doubt, don' t see the
girls. I' m gonna take a

521
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:00,559
bath and I' m up the
beach. What a what. It was

522
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:06,800
very uncomfortable how he looked at me, but literal to my feet and it

523
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,559
was like that and I felt very
uncomfortable. And but whatever, I was

524
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:17,760
in Sidney and I felt at Disney
Landia rhan no and spend three days being

525
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:23,960
there and every day and I kept
seeing that pastor and every time I turned

526
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,639
around. He applied one of those
to me like he was already seeing me

527
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:32,960
and then he looked at me not
seeing you. I saw me and it

528
00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:38,559
' s cool with this vato.
He keeps looking at me very uncomfortable last

529
00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:40,920
day. You' re already done
so I turn to see you hey,

530
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,119
but it' s weird that carl
Lines saw you so much mother for ros.

531
00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:50,639
That would be a good story.
I' ll shut up. I

532
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:57,559
was going to say the last day
I' m in praise and the place

533
00:41:57,679 --> 00:42:01,199
is full, okay, pretty,
it' s all over and it didn

534
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,760
' t happen like that, but
I do remember as if there' s

535
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:13,519
praise, everything that gives and then
as if all the noise just went away

536
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:16,400
like that and I mean, like
a voice here not anymore why you'

537
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:23,039
re mad at me. Oh wow, and as a hall guy I start

538
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:30,519
arguing no and no more I said
how I' m going to be mad

539
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:34,079
at you and I' ve been
paid off for myself, of course I

540
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:38,320
' m enjoying it here, I
mean, I' m in Disneyland for

541
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,760
Christians are listening to my favorite preachers. That' s how he sees me.

542
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:45,280
It' s all right, it
doesn' t stop seeing me,

543
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:52,440
but like what, cool as not, I' m angry, how yaya

544
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:57,239
and I asked how genuinely why,
why and weird to have a conversation with

545
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,000
God like that, of course,
I don' t know much, yes,

546
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:00,360
it sounds very like, but I
didn' t really know why.

547
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:06,840
And no more I said this gentleman
why. And again so very strong,

548
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:12,960
because I have you in tepic uy
now for three days, you are with

549
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,599
pastors of the best places in the
world that where you shepherde oringe Cowney,

550
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:22,119
not so Chaney, san diego.
Yeah. I' m in Waver in

551
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:27,519
Amsterdam and I' m in it. Yeah, I mean, in the

552
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:34,440
most prat places and it' s
like whits and how they asked me where

553
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:40,760
this is, like you pic Mexico, we go like South America, not

554
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,880
for everyone, in South America,
for everyone. There was mo you said

555
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:51,920
in Mexico, yes, and then
they asked ah there with Steven in Monterro

556
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:57,440
Ponterrey. Then I said yes.
I told them that I was this tell

557
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,000
me it' s not you already
said it no where Mexico has a little

558
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,559
belly. Yeah, yeah, like
there' s sort of Guadalajara down there.

559
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:09,119
Sob at that conference, well,
in one of those ones they asked

560
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:15,519
us how things are going in Monterrey, this chitos and our tors Brian did,

561
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:21,119
we asked how we are going in
Monterrey, how we are going and

562
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:23,639
I super well, thank you for
trusting us the Church. Let' s

563
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:29,679
go, let' s go next. I used to take chidos credits there.

564
00:44:30,159 --> 00:44:35,760
Anyway, then that shame had passed. Now who knows how many times

565
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,320
during those three days it stings you, oh okay, they' re not

566
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:44,360
leaving anymore. And then, I
kind of remembered that shame and yes,

567
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:51,000
I realized it brought some bitterness that
I' m in Tepique. Already then

568
00:44:52,639 --> 00:45:00,519
I repent or apologize and if all
chido ends the conference. I' m

569
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:05,960
going to a little room and there' s all the shepherds all day saying

570
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,400
goodbye. We' re leaving next
day and the pastor who stared at me,

571
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:15,519
comes up and says hey, let' s talk bad And I already

572
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:23,199
do and he tells me I'
ve already remembered or where truth, not

573
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:28,639
you forgiveness can be here in the
OVI and he tells me not to sit

574
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,480
and he tells me no. I
know if you noticed that the first day

575
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:38,880
when I greeted you, I looked
down at you and me as good Mexa,

576
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:45,960
you didn' t do that no, not little. He says yes,

577
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:52,320
and because he' s looking at
you a lot I or this day

578
00:45:52,639 --> 00:45:57,960
he got really weird and then he
doesn' t tell me that the first

579
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:00,559
day I saw you we were in
a room I' m waving and I

580
00:46:00,559 --> 00:46:05,239
' m laughing life that you were
barefoot. Then go back and see your

581
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,840
feet and you weren' t barefoot. But I looked up at you,

582
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:12,880
so I knew it was God'
s and for the three days I'

583
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:16,239
ve been praying for you wow asking
God what he wanted to say to you.

584
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:22,000
And he says and now in praise. At that time it was the

585
00:46:22,119 --> 00:46:24,119
same moment that God was speaking to
me. He says I had a vision

586
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:29,639
of you and I' m telling
him and I can tell you. She

587
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:35,000
did, and she tells me you
were walking along like sand, like the

588
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:37,960
beach or whatever, and there were
some tracks and you were trying to jump

589
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:45,199
at every print and she says but
that God was called where there were no

590
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:52,639
footprints and you' re really scared, but but I was cheering you up

591
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:58,280
and you were finally taking a step
into those tracks and she says I don

592
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,719
' t know if that makes sense. And I ask you, then,

593
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,320
is like our motto of the Churches. We plant churches where no one wants

594
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,239
to, where no one can,
and it' s like he' s

595
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:08,039
got that guy. And there I
am crying and then he told me.

596
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:14,639
I' ve told myself another more
cheesy part of that and then those footprints

597
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:21,519
weren' t going alone Jesus always
went with you kind of aunt' s

598
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:25,719
picture not in your house, he
doesn' t walk with but that made

599
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,480
a lot of sense to regret myself. I came back from Australia. Oh,

600
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,360
the eye had to go there for
God to talk to you about something

601
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,639
like that, but I came back
and it was like there' s no

602
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,480
choice or God didn' t communicate
it with your dad. Yeah, yeah,

603
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,599
I came back and that' s
the way I described it and it

604
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:52,400
sounds really weird, but it was
basically like a I' m as committed

605
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:59,840
to you as I am to my
wife, I mean, guy I marry

606
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,800
my dad, but that sounds like
not thin to what they give me the

607
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,679
cancellation, but crazy my dad,
my say and a hundred percent. I

608
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:14,519
mean, we' re called here
blah blah and we' re already a

609
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:20,440
next year trip that I made when
you came from Guadalajara driving steps like above

610
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:22,000
a hill and you can already see
them pic because it falls in a valley.

611
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:28,079
And it was the first time I
went up the hill and I felt

612
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:31,000
I was home. Then something began
to do God my heart. I had

613
00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:37,360
the grace to be there and in
full covid It was when I most thanked

614
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:44,119
God that it is in a small
city where literal they have five cops to

615
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,119
handle everything. Then they couldn'
t restrict us as much as in big

616
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:52,599
cities. I mean, plenty of
food, water, whatever. And it

617
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:58,440
was like I wanted to go to
cities where there' s not enough for

618
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,480
those who are there and I don' t know there was a complete twist.

619
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:06,320
The valleys tend to be very fruitful
places, either, naturally, to

620
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,320
that area is green, green,
green, or green, that is,

621
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:15,519
Husson states is like salts of the
desert, from Jaliscoote directly to a green

622
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:22,480
valley and between mountain jungle. All
that, then I don' t know

623
00:49:22,519 --> 00:49:24,840
was we caught him a new love. I miss you so much. How

624
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:30,559
God gives you a love, for
the ecosystem in which you develop and I

625
00:49:30,679 --> 00:49:36,119
have love for the desert. Yeah, and when I watch movies like that

626
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:37,719
star Wars, where he comes in
the desert, he gives me something.

627
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:42,559
There are pounds that move in my
heart, because it' s part of

628
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:44,840
my story. I imagine it'
s the same for you as it is

629
00:49:45,039 --> 00:49:47,239
for that valley, anything that reminds
you. That' s like God.

630
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:52,480
If he calls you or obviously he
calls you first, but in moments and

631
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:57,840
seasons if he calls you people and
if they call you places, it'

632
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,599
s already very nice. Something happened
to us as without but the reverse in

633
00:50:00,639 --> 00:50:07,840
the sense that when they leave us
the whole movement of a heart here Miami,

634
00:50:07,159 --> 00:50:14,800
we start to work and when he
starts to work on something you admired,

635
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:20,119
he starts to see everything bad from
day one not like those who don

636
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,880
' t work in the Church and
then they hire them and then they start

637
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:28,639
to not be what you work in
the Church and be careful, but better

638
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:31,440
not do it, but he didn' t do it. It' s

639
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,159
a choice. Or it has to
be a call. It' s got

640
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:37,159
to be a call. But we
began to battle, that is, to

641
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:42,719
find joy and taste in that,
what God was calling us at the time

642
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,280
and there were instances in which we
did feel God as a son. And

643
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:50,159
if we go to such a place, if we go to such a place,

644
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:54,599
if we leave this and grab this
opportunity and I remember very much that

645
00:50:54,679 --> 00:51:00,960
in the midst of that feeling it
became easy for us to criticize the place

646
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:07,920
where God had made us practice our
pastors, criticize our collaborators and enter as

647
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:10,599
a position of self- justification and
martyr. And nobody understands me and nobody

648
00:51:10,679 --> 00:51:14,360
knows what I' m going through
and how hard it is. And I

649
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:21,119
remember that God used Taylor and Robert
to encourage us to talk to our pastor,

650
00:51:21,599 --> 00:51:23,960
that is, that God spoke to
us so much in one of the

651
00:51:24,039 --> 00:51:28,519
messages that they gave at a conference
that we went to, that it was

652
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:32,960
obvious you had to stand under Mark
and Patti not and we never had.

653
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,079
And I remember I went to a
cafe with my father- in- law

654
00:51:38,159 --> 00:51:40,920
and I said, Mira, these
are my dreams. This is the visions

655
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,760
we have, the desire we have
to do those things, but we don

656
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,480
' t want to do anything without
it being the right time and without you

657
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:55,960
supporting it. Then I told him
for an indefinite time. We sow under

658
00:51:57,079 --> 00:52:02,000
your leadership and whatever you want us
to do, that' s what we

659
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,320
' re going to do And obviously, it was a very nice time.

660
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,239
It was a very iconic moment in
my relationship with my pastor, with my

661
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:13,199
father- in- law. But
the crazy thing is, it' s

662
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,639
been a couple of years and my
father- in- law is releasing us,

663
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:22,039
so to speak. He tells us
to plant a church that, though,

664
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:24,800
will have the same name. I
don' t want him to operate

665
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,159
like a campus. I want you
to operate like a church already and I

666
00:52:28,159 --> 00:52:34,360
think you are the pastors and that
h although it is like the opposite,

667
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:36,880
it is still difficult. If it
wasn' t too hard. It was

668
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:42,679
in the most complex time, complex
to do so, because it was still

669
00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:46,840
half a pandemic. We were in
a financial recession, in the terrible three,

670
00:52:47,039 --> 00:52:51,599
so to speak, then there was
no finance, they couldn' t

671
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:55,159
cross. That cheered up the border, that was part of it. It

672
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,880
was locked. There were no border
crossings other than the Espro citizens were very

673
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:02,440
few. So, yeah, I
think it was like a push, but

674
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:07,039
at the level of strategy, it
was really bad. Wait a minute,

675
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:15,360
I was pregnant. Soon so posited
our sociela were closing and we were planting

676
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:19,000
in that s and in the United
States, that there were so many restrictions,

677
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:22,400
that was, we had to register
and covermouths and because there were only

678
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,559
a certain type of people, a
certain number of people that could fit.

679
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:29,960
The point is that it was,
in other words, humanly speaking the most

680
00:53:30,079 --> 00:53:32,000
difficult moment to do so already.
But today we see it as being like

681
00:53:32,079 --> 00:53:36,440
a hundred percent God coordinating everything,
because I think we wouldn' t have,

682
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:42,760
no, no, we wouldn'
t have taken that responsibility of planting

683
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,199
a clear church would have been more
of a campus style that has nothing wrong

684
00:53:46,199 --> 00:53:51,079
with it. But I genuinely believe
that God wanted us to live it that

685
00:53:51,119 --> 00:53:53,440
way and has done us a lot, a lot of good, if it

686
00:53:53,559 --> 00:53:59,320
has been very difficult, it has
been complicated, but also as it has

687
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,679
strengthened our faith and hope. And
I think in complicated times, what goes

688
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,960
easier is hope. We' re
sorry. Oh, well, I'

689
00:54:07,039 --> 00:54:12,199
ve been so long sowing so much
time investing and I don' t see

690
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:14,880
the fruit. What are some of
the things that help you be patient in

691
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:20,280
the midst of your waiting and maybe
some of those practices. Look by mentioning

692
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,800
Taylor, I mean, Taylor has
also been a huge influence on my life,

693
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,400
I mean, I see him as
an older brother and talking about the

694
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:36,039
opposite of ghosts a northern star.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no more

695
00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:39,079
like his or her I don'
t know if he has a message,

696
00:54:39,519 --> 00:54:45,559
like a preaching about ISAAC, but
how he has talked about ISAAC, about

697
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:52,760
being an ISAAC one that no more
like passing the staph, but like my

698
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:58,760
father' s ok, my children, how that simple role works for me

699
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:06,920
and seeing it in his life has
managed me like a lot then one can

700
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:13,639
be certain friendships, not certain people
who are at best in the same way

701
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,639
you feel. That call is so
essential. Sometimes we think of friends who

702
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:22,639
push us forward, because you know
we need those who tell us not all

703
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:24,519
right where you are and who don' t push you. So they don

704
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:27,599
' t push you. And I
think taylo you' re very much that

705
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,719
friend. I sometimes fight with him
because I come with a nuisance or with

706
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:37,639
already I want to change the world
of a love and tailor. Don'

707
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:45,079
t do it sit down and it
gives me a lot of courage Yeah,

708
00:55:45,519 --> 00:55:50,920
I mean, Taylor' s been
a big influence on that, and I

709
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:51,880
' m holding on to it,
too. I mean. One of the

710
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:55,400
messages that I don' t know
the most about is that there are certain

711
00:55:55,480 --> 00:56:05,239
sermons that beat you in a lecture
to Andrés Speaker preaching don' t pass

712
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:12,679
the message to generations, all working
at the same time that image of him,

713
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,119
his father and children, running together. I always think about that with

714
00:56:16,199 --> 00:56:21,719
the Church. So, last,
lately, people have asked me ay you

715
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,800
' re already taking the Church t
Wow, when there' s going to

716
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:31,079
be or whatever it is is like
what it is for either, we work

717
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:34,159
so well together and I know that' s so weird why ruin that.

718
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,960
Yes, then I have been greatly
ministered to by that relationship between Taylor and

719
00:56:38,119 --> 00:56:43,159
Robert A, that preaching of Andrew
and I don' t know. Sometimes

720
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:46,880
it' s words, sometimes it' s a friendship, sometimes it'

721
00:56:47,079 --> 00:56:50,800
s the circumstance itself. But really
what it falls to is those times alone

722
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:55,400
with God, where you don'
t stay that you' re angry with

723
00:56:55,400 --> 00:57:00,119
me. I have this for you
blah blah, blah and one more gives

724
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:06,000
like a perspective, because returning to
the prophets and what I think healed many

725
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:20,039
prophets of cynicism was the imagination that
had baptized imaginations, divine salvations, I

726
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:24,599
don' t know, but they
could imagine a future and that agreed with

727
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:31,119
God' s plan. And sometimes
the only imagination we' re acquiring is

728
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:36,800
from The Hollywood Gray. Then I
remember seeing a many bowl. Yeah,

729
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:42,320
because it comes out b then,
but I remember watching a many bowl or

730
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,719
the social network of the Facebook story
and I get out of those movies.

731
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,840
Since I want to change the world, I want to change the game.

732
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:55,480
I want to do cru can be
a century oh Christian and fast. That

733
00:57:55,599 --> 00:58:00,639
can grab our imagination and tell us
that' s how you live or if

734
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:07,639
you' re not a lighter.
But then if you let God give you

735
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:16,719
the imagination, not Hollywood, sometimes
ministerial success, or all that looks very

736
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:22,559
different altogether. So I' m
not like ah, if I wasn'

737
00:58:22,679 --> 00:58:27,000
t at the fountain with my dad
in Tepich, I' d be all

738
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:31,159
screwed up. I don' t
know that God would be backing everything up,

739
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:37,519
but you also never know what it
would be clear if you had taken

740
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,599
that step, if you had gone
out to say, because at the same

741
00:58:42,599 --> 00:58:42,599
time I think even if you were
wrong, let' s say and listen.

742
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:44,039
No. No, no, no, no, and you do it

743
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:45,519
anyway. It' s not like
the curse' s gonna rain on you.

744
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:50,920
Sure, God bless you where you
go, but for some reason he

745
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:55,039
' s guiding you and all those
guides. It' s not for you

746
00:58:55,679 --> 00:59:00,440
to be the Savior of the world, to be a wow or to be

747
00:59:00,519 --> 00:59:06,559
written in history books or to lead
a great movement. Sometimes it' s

748
00:59:07,599 --> 00:59:13,440
just God leads you left to right, left to right so you can become

749
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:21,199
the person you were created, clear
from your mother' s womb. I

750
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:25,239
mean, from there God put in
plan a purpose formed someone, but we

751
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:31,119
started to follow those other things and
we' re not the ones we were

752
00:59:31,119 --> 00:59:36,159
designed to do. And Jesus does
not honor our false. I, of

753
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:39,079
course, do say I don'
t know you that' s not who

754
00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:44,039
I believe, God won' t
honor us playing with our ego that ah

755
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:46,199
no. If you' re Daniel, you understand me, I mean,

756
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:54,679
you' re not, yeah,
Jaguar is Leo Square and but it'

757
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:59,400
s not Daniel Kimico, that is, beyond anything else. This is not,

758
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:05,679
then, those decisions. If we
listen to God, it' s

759
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:13,199
like removing layers or forming, reforming, what life has distorted has covered the

760
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:19,320
rust we bring so we can reach
the true. I in Christ, and

761
01:00:19,599 --> 01:00:24,880
that I love because I think the
Church is going through a very good time

762
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:34,480
in the sense of learning as voices
to make genuine already and I think that

763
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:37,760
the younger people, that is,
I see your son who has just turned

764
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:45,960
ten years old already and I don' t see him carrying many of the

765
01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:50,039
pressures and burdens that sometimes a son
of a pastor, perhaps like you and

766
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:53,760
me, not by our parents,
but by the circumstances in which we grew

767
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:59,360
up, the ecclesiastical time in which
we grew up including you. Obviously,

768
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:04,440
it was our turn to live,
not that I see it and I greet

769
01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:07,159
it and tell him how it went
and he told me that he went to

770
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:12,599
target and that he bought a head
from a toy that was not yet for

771
01:01:12,599 --> 01:01:15,639
sale anywhere else. And for me
it' s ke chio. I can

772
01:01:15,679 --> 01:01:20,199
have a genuine conversation with you and
every time, that is, when I

773
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:24,119
chat with Alvin and when I chat
with Jared or with a little younger Leaders,

774
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:29,400
I realize that we are no longer
in the same one that when maybe

775
01:01:29,480 --> 01:01:32,679
you and I started, that you
are little bigger than me. But he

776
01:01:32,679 --> 01:01:36,960
' s there, he' s
there, he' s there, he

777
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:36,960
' s there, he' s
there, he' s there, he

778
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:36,960
' s there, he' s
there, he' s there, he

779
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:36,960
' s there, he' s
there, he' s there, he

780
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,679
' s there? There, it' s like, give your best conversation,

781
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:45,880
give your best theme on the table
or give your best sermon. One

782
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:50,199
thing I' ve enjoyed a lot
at this conference is that I feel like

783
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:59,760
we' re a lot of compas
being ourselves and we don' t have

784
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,199
that feeling like we' re looking
and I think you wanted to say something.

785
01:02:01,639 --> 01:02:05,280
Yeah, I remember a lot that
when I was fresh, when I

786
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:08,440
' m talking, you used the
line a long time ago like it'

787
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:12,119
s all chess, like life is
chess. That' s what he taught

788
01:02:12,119 --> 01:02:15,239
me. I know, I know, no, no man. It'

789
01:02:15,239 --> 01:02:17,400
s something that, thank God you
learned in a sense, I think it

790
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,599
' s good to have strategy,
not bad, to have vision, or

791
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:24,800
it' s bad, but I
was very frustrated like what the pieces are

792
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:29,119
people or what the pieces are.
I mean, of course chess. And

793
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,920
thank God we' ve been learning
because I didn' t plan anything and

794
01:02:34,039 --> 01:02:37,360
he planned everything and it was yes, I could look super rude because I

795
01:02:37,639 --> 01:02:40,000
didn' t kind of feel like
it wasn' t policy for me to

796
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:43,079
let me say hello to such,
but of course not anymore. I mean,

797
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:45,840
anyway, uh, I had a
question because, right now, you

798
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:51,599
were talking about how to be directed
with God' s voice, maybe to

799
01:02:51,719 --> 01:02:53,440
places that aren' t so obvious
or that aren' t what you wanted.

800
01:02:54,039 --> 01:02:59,440
But how to do it when maybe
for someone who' s listening,

801
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:04,280
right now, how to do it
when you don' t know how to

802
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,880
hear God' s voice, I
mean, you' re maybe in a

803
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:07,880
dilemma, you' re in that
moment where you' re realizing it.

804
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,199
Maybe I haven' t been faithful
to what God created me to do,

805
01:03:12,079 --> 01:03:15,360
but I don' t know what
God wants me to do, like some

806
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,199
practices that have helped you, or
what you do when there' s no

807
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,079
clear path to take in your life. For example, right now you say,

808
01:03:22,679 --> 01:03:24,599
I don' t know what the
next step is, what you keep

809
01:03:24,719 --> 01:03:28,639
doing so you don' t lose
track. Yeah, I' ll explain.

810
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,599
It' s for someone who I' ve never heard the voice of

811
01:03:32,599 --> 01:03:38,480
God, someone who hears I don' t know, or someone who spits

812
01:03:38,639 --> 01:03:45,679
at him once because sometimes it happens
where out of nowhere is the dark night

813
01:03:46,159 --> 01:03:50,639
of the soul, not where ah
everything was this way and then out of

814
01:03:50,639 --> 01:03:52,840
nowhere where it is. God is
absent, okay, I mean, he

815
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,719
' s hidden, you don'
t have that side. I think they

816
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:58,280
' re both very good at playing. I mean, maybe there are people

817
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:00,679
who say no. I' m
not sure, I' m not sure.

818
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,119
Yes, actually, God has ever
spoken to me. I mean,

819
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:09,880
we' re in the age of
questioning and I think it' s very

820
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:15,880
valid. That question of many people, because speaking of first those who have

821
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:23,400
never heard, is watching a documentary
a few years ago, since I don

822
01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:27,199
' t know most likely it was
YouTube, YouTube video where I' m

823
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:33,719
going from inspiration. They are not
talking about dogs and how dogs could develop

824
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:39,639
a vocabulary, not that they spoke, but they understood more or less five

825
01:04:39,639 --> 01:04:45,039
hundred words. Pull and it sounds
like a lot until you realize that five

826
01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:50,039
hundred words are like three minutes talking, that' s three minutes of podcast

827
01:04:50,199 --> 01:04:55,320
Wow. I mean, it'
s not much, it' s not

828
01:04:57,119 --> 01:04:59,760
a lot of words, but there' s something. Yeah, don'

829
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,920
t pee there Yeah, well,
with our new dog, we' re

830
01:05:05,159 --> 01:05:10,360
showing him that Nack TNX Neck Nack
meals and the dog that came out and

831
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:16,039
fell is right. I never thought
of our pronte to see you fall,

832
01:05:17,679 --> 01:05:21,039
I mean, there' s an
age you don' t fall for,

833
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:26,440
and I think we' re past
that age, you don' t fall

834
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:26,440
for us anymore, and you'
re fried for a week, you'

835
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,920
re smoke. I still hurt the
or or never imagined seeing you fall for

836
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:33,159
wanting to save a dog, for
not stepping on it was like bato.

837
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:40,000
You' re not that kind of
person you' ve become. But good,

838
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:47,719
but well changed tea not a dog. Grab about five hundred words to

839
01:05:47,719 --> 01:05:49,320
Razis. Don' t do it, pee, don' t get out.

840
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:59,280
He went to see dogs followed much
more by tone than by words.

841
01:06:00,239 --> 01:06:03,679
Then you can grab your dog,
it' s telling him I don'

842
01:06:03,679 --> 01:06:06,159
t know it' s hate.
You' re a fool, the ugliest

843
01:06:06,159 --> 01:06:08,760
thing in the world. I'
m gonna kill you and what the dog

844
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:14,480
is gonna be. Let' s
go see them and tell them I love

845
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,679
you True, here' s a
vain arm. They didn' t follow

846
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:23,199
much more by tone. And when
I heard that, I think that'

847
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:27,239
s how our divine language is.
We are dogs and it makes sense because

848
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:32,440
in the capacity that we have to
actually hear that we really shit what God

849
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:36,440
is talking about, that is,
if I grab a yes, a no,

850
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:40,280
a no. It' s peeing
there whatever it is, no,

851
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,519
but I' m more guided by
the tone of God' s voice.

852
01:06:42,639 --> 01:06:46,480
Then I think a lot of people
listen to God, but they don'

853
01:06:46,480 --> 01:06:51,000
t know it anymore. Then I
remember. I remember a conversation I had

854
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:55,760
with my dad I felt like God
was telling me something. Then I'

855
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,320
m going to ask him he'
s distracted at the compo and I'

856
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,079
ll explain. I think God is
telling me that, this and this and

857
01:07:01,159 --> 01:07:05,280
no more like turning around and saying
yes, that sounds like God and it

858
01:07:06,039 --> 01:07:10,079
went on and I left and I
just kept that sentence. It sounds like

859
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:14,920
God and then I came back and
told him what you mean it sounds like

860
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:18,760
God. I said that. My
dad was in his tough, because what

861
01:07:18,800 --> 01:07:21,599
does that mean and you say I
don' t know. So I was,

862
01:07:23,719 --> 01:07:27,280
I was on a flight next day
and on the plane I said ok

863
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:31,679
what the voice of God sounds like. And I wrote some points about what

864
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:36,360
the voice sounds like to God.
But the main one is tenderness. There

865
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:40,840
is a tender, tender, gentle
voice that is not the same. It

866
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,960
can' t be tender and screaming, that is. I remember my son.

867
01:07:46,599 --> 01:07:50,920
Once he came out of the house
and I came out all ogre,

868
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:56,280
don' t go out to the
house and he started to cry and his

869
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,840
lip shrunk And now but what he
did immediately after he gave me the treading

870
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:04,760
down because he understood at the same
time that although they know problems and whatever

871
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:10,360
I was not a threat, there
is still a tenderness clear there, not

872
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:14,400
clear. Then for someone who has
never heard God' s voice, I

873
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:19,880
would encourage you what sounds tender,
what was tenderness. I don' t

874
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:26,279
know. That' s one that
helps and I also feel that God is

875
01:08:26,399 --> 01:08:31,319
playful with one and then he always
comes is another. It' s very

876
01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:39,520
different than it doesn' t sound
like what I' d think, so

877
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:45,079
those stress helps the dark night of
the soul and I feel like I was

878
01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:47,399
talking about it a lot with people, because I feel like covid was I

879
01:08:47,399 --> 01:08:55,119
don' t know about my life. I don' t remember how this

880
01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:59,720
says it is Loues, but in
his book on mourning he talks about faith

881
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:03,479
as a rope and how we sometimes
have our rope to which we cling.

882
01:09:06,039 --> 01:09:10,840
But then things come so heavy in
life that that no longer endures wow and

883
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:15,359
you need to replace that noose with
a stronger, firmer, more robust noose.

884
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:24,039
And then in our faith, in
our walk with God, comes at

885
01:09:24,119 --> 01:09:30,720
different times where God challenges us not
the faith you had at seventeen, at

886
01:09:30,840 --> 01:09:34,680
four, at thirty, at forty. Don' t pull, right now,

887
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:40,479
it' s not going to help
you through this difficult time and I

888
01:09:41,079 --> 01:09:45,960
mean, we' re not all
going through something super tragic of young people,

889
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:46,159
that is, if we have our
stuff, the worst thing that ever

890
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:48,000
happened to you? The worst thing
that ever happened to you? Of course

891
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:53,560
not, I mean if you got
a rim, okay? That' s

892
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,960
the worst thing that ever happened to
you? And you' re gonna learn

893
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:01,640
through that, but things like a
global pandemic. We' re close to

894
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:06,439
World War Three, we' re
being shepherds we loved. It was a

895
01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:12,359
chara. I get my ranch when
it' s different, a little difficult.

896
01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:17,079
Cree is never going to drop a
nuclear bomb, or maybe already dropped

897
01:10:17,159 --> 01:10:20,800
and didn' t know long ago. We' re living in a simulation.

898
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,039
We' re a simulation. Listen
no, but I love that which

899
01:10:25,159 --> 01:10:31,920
you say, because we must learn
to fix all our trust, not in

900
01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:38,199
our abilities and not in the abilities
of the people around us, but full

901
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:42,159
in God and in trying to minimize, try to listen to his voice.

902
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,880
Nothing will sustain us in difficult times
more than his voice and something that has

903
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,920
been haunting my mind and telling you
about it a long time ago. I

904
01:10:49,119 --> 01:10:55,239
don' t mean, I feel
like to a certain extent. We have

905
01:10:55,479 --> 01:11:02,279
the pastors and Christian figures we believe
we deserve. And I see in the

906
01:11:02,359 --> 01:11:09,880
Old Testament the people of Israel telling
the prophet Samuel that you know this about

907
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:14,680
you as a prophet, telling us
what God is saying as it is no

908
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:19,840
longer working. Your kids are a
mess. You know we need kings now.

909
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:25,199
Better, let us have kings like
other nations, like other countries.

910
01:11:25,319 --> 01:11:29,319
No. And in the end,
God grants them the request, but he

911
01:11:29,399 --> 01:11:31,279
gives them a lot of warnings.
He says if you' re going to

912
01:11:31,359 --> 01:11:33,600
want a king, you' re
going to have to be his slave,

913
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:39,399
your daughters, they' re going
to be his maids, you' re

914
01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:40,439
going to have to give him a
portion of all your crops, you'

915
01:11:40,439 --> 01:11:41,800
re going to have to give them
your money. And though your king be

916
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,640
evil, for there were obviously kings
as out, that is, give me

917
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:51,439
favor, that is, hereb and
jessanel Solomon, Solomon, Salmon, all

918
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:55,199
the world, and Solomon, wise. He' s the worst of all.

919
01:11:55,520 --> 01:11:59,920
I' m the antonym of Jesus. I would throw a lot of

920
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:02,840
dirt in there because of his shenanigans
that were suddenly thrown out. But yes,

921
01:12:03,319 --> 01:12:09,119
Solomon was very holy went very well. He destroyed the temple to the

922
01:12:09,239 --> 01:12:15,000
God who rescued them from slavery with
slave labor. Yes, it is that

923
01:12:15,319 --> 01:12:21,039
we end up becoming what we swear
exterminated human wisdom. But I love that

924
01:12:21,399 --> 01:12:28,039
God tells you all the characters in
the Bible like any clear human are a

925
01:12:28,119 --> 01:12:34,720
clear mix. But Solomon really was. He left and I love what God

926
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:39,680
says to him, even though they
cry out to me because of those kings.

927
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:43,359
I' m not going to do
anything and I feel like right now.

928
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:48,039
We are living a season in which, instead of leaders and pastors and

929
01:12:48,239 --> 01:12:56,039
spiritual parents and people who will honestly
live lives in anonymity, they will live

930
01:12:56,159 --> 01:13:04,720
lives not flashis, not much called. We want to have messianic figures,

931
01:13:05,199 --> 01:13:10,800
pastors and or shepherds influence shepherds.
Then we' re looking for kings.

932
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:17,680
When God wants to give us examples
and to give us tender examples, humble

933
01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:23,399
examples. And I think that'
s why I said, I think there

934
01:13:23,479 --> 01:13:27,279
' s a hope for the future. And I see every time the new

935
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:32,399
generations of leaders getting carried away by
the voice of God, being comfortable in

936
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:38,399
their own skin, being comfortable with
their own voice, not wanting to panic

937
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:43,319
or not pretending to be something they
are not. And it encourages me,

938
01:13:43,640 --> 01:13:47,159
it encourages me, I believe that
when, when I don' t know,

939
01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:54,720
it seems that the Church is reeling
because of I don' t know,

940
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:56,760
a pandemic, so many pastors falling, etcetera. Actually, God is

941
01:13:56,880 --> 01:14:01,119
reforming her and something very good is
on the way. Not anymore, to

942
01:14:01,279 --> 01:14:08,039
see if it' s my only
vibe I' ve been talking to Andres

943
01:14:08,159 --> 01:14:13,920
the other day about whether that'
s some kind of reform, because it

944
01:14:14,119 --> 01:14:17,439
' s getting really fast, that
is, the amount of revelations. How

945
01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:21,760
bad are the things that can be
one, that is to say, it

946
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:26,600
' s stuck the song, yes, and who knows if it' s

947
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,279
over already. No, I don' t think so. So it'

948
01:14:29,359 --> 01:14:34,359
s not that much of that revelation. So the apocalyptic word is revelation in

949
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:40,600
English, not revelation. Yeah,
so it' s an apocalyptic time and

950
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:45,239
every time there was an apocalyptic season. Yes, it was because God is

951
01:14:45,439 --> 01:14:48,119
reforming something It is in the history
of the Church. You see it in

952
01:14:48,199 --> 01:14:51,399
the Bible, ah but in the
history of the Church, in the last

953
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:56,920
two thousand years, every time there
was one like that a veil was removed,

954
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:02,960
one looks at the disaster of the
Pope' s cle of the Holy

955
01:15:03,159 --> 01:15:08,399
Inquisition And yes, I mean,
the verses taken out of context, the

956
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:13,439
words of Jesus red letters were taken
out of context to make the Holy Inquisition,

957
01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:17,920
that is, yes, many,
many evils that the Church has carried

958
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,840
out And every time it was revealed, and everyone, like, shocked,

959
01:15:21,319 --> 01:15:29,359
one is fine, then there was
some kind of reform and I don'

960
01:15:29,359 --> 01:15:31,239
t know how long it lasts.
It would be nice to see how long

961
01:15:31,239 --> 01:15:34,520
the reforms last. No, I
think the encouragement that a decade doesn'

962
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:40,520
t know if it' s repeated, or maybe it' s a hundred

963
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:47,000
years long, but there are certain
reforms that do, I don' t

964
01:15:47,119 --> 01:15:49,560
know, I don' t know
how long this is going to last,

965
01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:54,000
what it feels like is very weird. It' s hard to categorize something

966
01:15:54,079 --> 01:15:57,560
while it' s happening. You
don' t have the whole picture,

967
01:15:58,199 --> 01:16:00,760
but I have felt like something in
my spirit, like it' s a

968
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:08,680
time of change and to see where
it leads to me Well, I don

969
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:12,800
' t think there' s a
lot of good to me too, there

970
01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:17,119
' s a lot to rescue from
this and I think that something we'

971
01:16:17,159 --> 01:16:23,039
re also experiencing in the midst of
this reform is a freedom to talk about

972
01:16:23,039 --> 01:16:25,880
things that aren' t usually talked
about. I think for many years the

973
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:30,479
phrase became fashionable. The Church hurt
me. But the Church didn' t

974
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:33,880
hurt you. You got hurt by
a person who has a first name and

975
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:42,520
a last name, and sometimes I
think it' s obviously worth it with

976
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:43,359
a healthy heart and having forgiven saying
that first name and that last name.

977
01:16:43,800 --> 01:16:46,840
And obviously, the Bible is very
clear. Whoever believes he is firm,

978
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:53,760
be careful not to fall and do
not say this from a position of us

979
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,359
or us. I mean, tomorrow
I fall and you can come in,

980
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:00,640
you can come in tomorrow. Any
one of us can scholarship in an atrocious

981
01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:05,600
way and hurt a lot of people. Many of us have hurt people and

982
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:10,319
we' re part of their story, I mean, we' re somebody

983
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:15,479
' s ghost I sang to a
woman teacher and broke her ankle on the

984
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,319
same day. Maybe that was the
worst day of his life. I mean,

985
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:24,439
then he' s like me to
me. Yeah, I think who

986
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:28,720
' s different. A season is
approaching where Wok is already waning a lot

987
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:33,640
and we are learning according to the
Bible. So, suddenly say what we

988
01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:39,680
disagree with and not be afraid to
say it in public. I don'

989
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:42,920
t think that' s that hopeful. I' m excited. I do,

990
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:45,039
I pray to God that this reform
does not last a hundred years.

991
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:47,359
I' m asking you to last
for a few years, but yes,

992
01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:53,239
yes. It tastes good if it
lasts as long as it lasts. That

993
01:17:53,319 --> 01:17:57,319
' s part of long obedience.
In the same direction, long hope is

994
01:17:57,479 --> 01:18:01,800
also required. Yes, one of
the most interesting stories of jeremiah is just

995
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:08,840
when Babylon is already invading. The
cousin of jeremías arrives and tells him listen

996
01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:12,800
you buy me the land is that
no one buys it from me, because

997
01:18:14,119 --> 01:18:16,159
it is not inappropriate. It'
s not going to do any good on

998
01:18:16,199 --> 01:18:18,800
this ground and you know what it
does. Jeremiah, he buys it from

999
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:25,199
the land, a land he will
never enjoy, he will never be able

1000
01:18:25,279 --> 01:18:30,640
to harvest or build on that land. But it does take the contract,

1001
01:18:30,840 --> 01:18:35,560
it seals it does two everything to
be able to all in faith and the

1002
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:40,479
reason you do it because one day
again this land is going to be harvested

1003
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:43,039
or, it' s going to
build a house. And then, too.

1004
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:47,359
And Jeremiah would never enjoy that.
He knew that' s going to

1005
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:53,479
at least seventy years. I'
m not going to see it anymore,

1006
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:58,520
but I' m going to invest
in it for future generations and to give

1007
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,159
hope to those who are here now
I decided hard a hundred years and Durams

1008
01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:06,279
seventy years, if we' re
going through some kind of exile that you

1009
01:19:06,279 --> 01:19:06,279
don' t stain, that is, the world isn' t over.

1010
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:12,720
For the Israelites at that time the
world was finished, that is, their

1011
01:19:12,760 --> 01:19:15,359
religion, their culture, everything,
and they had to survive in Babylon.

1012
01:19:16,119 --> 01:19:20,239
And then, if you had him, I' d laugh. Yesterday was

1013
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:27,439
the presidential debate of viden against Trump
and they said some things on social networks,

1014
01:19:28,199 --> 01:19:30,640
they said it can' t be. I' m seeing the final

1015
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,840
season and Americau, literally, the
country, as we know it, is

1016
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:40,199
running out. But if you had
to put a title on the skull ranch,

1017
01:19:40,600 --> 01:19:45,119
if you had to put a title
on this season of ecclesiastical reform,

1018
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:51,800
how would you put it, I
don' t know, but an interesting

1019
01:19:54,279 --> 01:19:58,479
fact that year, two thousand twenty- four half of the countries went through

1020
01:19:58,479 --> 01:19:59,960
elections or they' re going to
pass, that is, from all over

1021
01:19:59,960 --> 01:20:02,720
the world. The world is already
changing artificial intelligence that will be inside our

1022
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:09,520
iphones. That' s more interesting, I mean, Tp TE included with

1023
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,439
how many fredcas you' ve prepared
with uha chips. I can' t

1024
01:20:11,479 --> 01:20:14,720
tell you how many. We have
to ask Chatchifity how you' d put

1025
01:20:14,800 --> 01:20:16,399
this season. I think it'
s over, I mean. I believe

1026
01:20:16,399 --> 01:20:24,520
this season is called the end of
the empire of pastors who believe themselves kings.

1027
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:29,560
That' s so much for your
world. I think it' s

1028
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:35,000
going to be over somehow, I
don' t mean, I think it

1029
01:20:35,039 --> 01:20:39,720
' s going to be a very
focused season in small communities of discipleship.

1030
01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:42,960
Yeah, but the ego never ends, I mean, it' s just

1031
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,119
going to take a different clear form. No, I mean, they used

1032
01:20:45,119 --> 01:20:50,319
to be suits. Now they'
re gin Ron Sarris and who knows what

1033
01:20:50,319 --> 01:20:54,359
it' s going to be tomorrow. Yeah, there' s always a

1034
01:20:54,359 --> 01:20:59,640
way. I do the pront how
he sends it. Put on you don

1035
01:20:59,680 --> 01:21:09,399
' t have the read to see
you have it seeing recent world events to

1036
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:18,920
see no. No. Not you
you you? No. It' s

1037
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:24,199
carrying according to how we see the
world changing so much. There it seems

1038
01:21:24,279 --> 01:21:28,239
to be a reform of the Church. Also how you' d put that

1039
01:21:28,319 --> 01:21:32,920
as a title. If this were
a film, you could call it the

1040
01:21:33,279 --> 01:21:39,680
new reform by transforming the Church in
modern times. What happens to you approach

1041
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:47,479
according to the world events of the
Church. What would it be called this

1042
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:58,159
season if it were a TV series
microphone could be called crisis and rebirth the

1043
01:21:58,239 --> 01:22:00,359
Church in the 21st century What do
you think? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1044
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:08,399
rebirth. More or less, give
me a better understanding what do you

1045
01:22:08,399 --> 01:22:12,560
think? The whole transition the Church
in the contemporary world is very politically correct.

1046
01:22:13,960 --> 01:22:15,640
Yeah, of course chat Jepeta wasn' t going to put it.

1047
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:17,720
It' s very politically cut.
I mean, it' s Gifit chat.

1048
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:20,840
It works very well for information,
but not for creativity. Yeah,

1049
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:27,680
no, that' s just what
we' re gonna talk about right now

1050
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:30,479
in a workshop right now, but
what are songs. Cha didn' t

1051
01:22:31,079 --> 01:22:33,960
refuse me maybe you as words that
maybe Luis, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1052
01:22:34,039 --> 01:22:38,479
yeah, but he doesn' t
almost lack his soul. Yeah,

1053
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:42,960
I didn' t say I saw
like there were three types of people and

1054
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:44,319
he said it Kevinero. But that
goes to those who don' t,

1055
01:22:45,239 --> 01:22:53,439
not dreamers, machines and creators.
And we must be creators. No,

1056
01:22:53,560 --> 01:22:56,840
but dreamers are here. If you
have great ideas, but without any discipline

1057
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,920
or programming, then you never get
to anything. I mean, the machines.

1058
01:23:01,399 --> 01:23:05,279
They' re those who have all
the programming, but they don'

1059
01:23:05,319 --> 01:23:09,079
t have ideas and they just run
the technology. She is and she is.

1060
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:13,079
But we are called to be creators, like God, who have discipline,

1061
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:17,720
but we also propose and create,
we have new ideas and we dream

1062
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:19,720
is like the goal. Well,
anyway, she' s got her limitations

1063
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:25,239
there, too, the net one. I could keep talking to Jessia all

1064
01:23:25,319 --> 01:23:29,840
afternoon, but you have to be
in a workshop in five minutes. You

1065
01:23:29,880 --> 01:23:31,600
' ve got me on with that. We said good- bye. Thank

1066
01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:35,239
you for listening to this episode of
uncle. Thanks to the podcast. You

1067
01:23:35,319 --> 01:23:41,079
can find it already on all your
social networks. His podcast is showing up

1068
01:23:41,079 --> 01:23:45,319
here on the screen. We love
you and see you in the next episode.

1069
01:23:45,399 --> 01:23:47,319
Take care bye bye, buy a
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