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Hi everyone, I'm Talia and I'm
Tanya, and together we are Crimes and

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Consequences, a true crime podcast.
Welcome back, everyone to another episode of

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Crimes and Consequences. I'm Tanya and
I'm Talia. And before we get into

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today's story, I would just like
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app. And this is a relatively well

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known story, at least in the
area where it happened. But I hear

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about it at some point. And
maybe it was because the victim was a

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law school graduate student. She was
finishing up when she was murdered and we're

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lost. Yeah, and it happened
around like a couple of years after,

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like I graduated, So maybe that's
why. But anyway, I only know

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a little bit about it because you
told me I don't know the whole I

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don't. Well, you buckle up, because I'm going to tell you all

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about it. Never trust lawyers,
Yeah, never trust lawyers. Two lawyers.

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Yeah. So this takes place in
the summer of twenty eleven in Macon,

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Georgia. And I don't I've never
been to Macon. Have you ever

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been to me? I don't know, but apparently it's Alana. Yeah.

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I don't know if it's by Alana. Yeah, but it's kind of like

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a quiet town and it's it's got
Mercer Law School in it, so it

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kind of has that vibe of you
know, students and things like that.

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And this community was just shaken to
its core when this happened. The I'm

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gonna tell you a little bit about
Lauren Giddings. She was a twenty seven

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year old law school graduate and she
was at this time in this summer,

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she was finishing up but they had
the graduation ceremony, but she was so

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finishing right for the bar yeah,
and she was, yeah, she was,

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you know, she has this bright
future ahead of her. She was

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super intelligent and kind hearted. She
was well liked by her peers at school,

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and in this summer she was studying
to take the Georgia Bar Exam.

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She had told her family in the
weeks leading up to this that you know,

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I'm gonna be radio silent because I'm
going to be immersing myself in studying.

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You know, I'm gonna be off
the grid. So you know,

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John, that is yeah exactly.
You know, don't expect to hear from

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me a lot or what have you, because she's just going to be so

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yeah, absolutely law the whole time. Mm hmm. And and along with

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taking the bar exam that summer,
she was planning a trip back home.

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Her family lived in Maryland, and
so she know, I believe what she

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was probably going to do was to
study and then go visit her family.

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So she went out of state.
Yeah, school, yes, she did

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so. On June twenty ninth,
twenty eleven, Lauren's sister, Caitlin,

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realized that it had been days before
since she had heard from her sister.

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From Lauren, she grew concerned,
like, even though she's radio silent,

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she still talked to her sister.
Yeah, and still you can respond to

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like a text or yeah exactly.
But so she was just like, you

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know, what the hell, and
she got contacted, like I don't know

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who contacted who, whether her sister
contacted some of her friends or her friends

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contacted her sister. But her friends
noticed too that you know, it had

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been a few days since anyone had
heard from Lauren, and they all start

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talking to one another and they realized
no one has talked to Lauren or seen

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her since June twenty seventh, so
it's two days prior, two days prior,

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okay, right, So Caitlin immediately
contacted the police to report her sister

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missing, and by June thirtieth,
Lauren's dad had driven to Macon from the

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family home in Maryland. I wonder
if they did a welfare check. They

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don't do a welfare check, don't
know, And I'll tell you why,

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Okay, okay. It's because a
friend of Laurens, who had a key

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to her apartment, went to check
things out. She went into her apartment

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and she just discovered her apartment was
in a bit of disarray, but there

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was no sign of forced entry.
There was no like blood anywhere, which

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is messy. Yeah it was,
you know, maybe there was things like

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out of place or whatever, but
there was definitely no sign of Lauren.

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She wasn't there, but her books, her keys, and her purse were

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there. So that's not a good
sign, right, Who leaves that behind?

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I know? After being reported missing. You know, days are passing

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and her worried friends and family are
fearing the worst. Her friends told police

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that in the year leading up to
this, like her disappearance, Lauren had

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told some of her friends like she
had started feeling a bit distressed. She

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felt as though she was being watched
at times, and Bradby she also felt

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like that someone had been in her
apartment because things had moved right, Like

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she just was like, you know, something weird, right, something's not

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right, something's not right, something
weird is going on. And but she

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didn't feel really like in fear or
like her life was in danger or anything

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like that. It was just these
weird something's just something strange. Yeah,

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Like she's just having these feelings like
something's not right. Police decide now after

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her friend you know, initially told
them you know, I didn't find Lauren,

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but you know, her belongings were
still there. They decide they're going

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to search the apartment. The police
and when they sprayed luminol in the bathroom,

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they did a real search. They're
taking this as an investigation, yes,

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because you know, no one's heard
from her. It says that's got

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to be a murder investigation, and
you're just spraying luminol. They sprayed the

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walls, the floor, and the
bathtub and they just lit up positive for

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blood. So, like you said, you know, this isn't a missing

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person's case, but a possible homicide. I mean, we're not sure if

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it's actually Lauren's blood right when you
first spray it, but something odd is

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going somebody cleaned it up too,
because it's not obvious and only unless they

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did the luminol. Right, So
there's they searched her apartment, they're searching,

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the police are searching the apartment complex, and that's when they came across

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a grizzly discovery. Lorens dismembered Torso
was found in a trash bin like those

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large you know, obviously a dumpster, like a dumpster outside in one of

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the apartment complexes dumpsters And many days
is this tho? This is June thirtieth,

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Okay, so she hasn't been seen
since the twenty seventh. Okay,

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So three days later they find her
Torso in a dumpster, in a dumpster,

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And why are you put in a
dumpster in the apartment complex that she

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lives in? But not you but
I know, but you know, people

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committing crimes. Sometimes they are not
the smartest people, thankfully, because this

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is how they get caught. So, you know, the community is like,

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oh my god, what's going on
this because this is a horrific Yeah,

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there's a torso in a dumpster.
Exactly, Please start putting together a

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timeline leading up to obviously Laurences murder. Because she is positively identified. They

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start looking at surveillance footage and you
know, okay, CCTV they have all

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that. Oh that's horrible, right, They you know, are collecting their

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family I know it's just her torso, and so they collect their forensic evidence.

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You know, they're doing their investigation. And during this process, one

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person became a primary focus. He's
a weirdo. Yeah, he's a weirdo,

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and it's Lauren's neighbor and fellow classmate. His name is Stephen McDaniel.

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So he's in law school too.
Mm hmm. He attended classes with her.

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He lives either next door or across
the hall from her. He was

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described as like an eccentric and reclusive
individual. He sometimes had like erratic behavior

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leading up to when she disappeared,
like, for example, surveillance footage showed

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that he was sneaking around the apartment
complex and searching through the trash, like

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the dumpsters. And this is before
she disappeared. And this is before she

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disappeared, and he's doing dumpster diving. Yeah, and he actually even looked

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through the dumpster where her torso is
eventually found. So they're just like,

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something's weird. He was also seen
cleaning a hacksaw the night of her murder.

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See how is he seen doing that
on camera? Yes, he's not

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doing it in his apartment. What
is wrong? I know, And I'll

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tell you more about it, but
I can't wait to hear it. I

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know it's it's a crazy story.
He obviously didn't think this through. So

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after news of Lauren's disappearance began to
spread, So before her torso was found,

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local news station in Macon, it's
w g x A, visited her

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apartment complex because you know, they're
on the scene, and you know they're

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trying to interview neighbors, and they
just happened upon Stephen and they classified him

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in the news story as a concerned
neighbor. So he considered himself to be

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good friends with Lauren. You know, he's telling the news station, you

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know, like Oh my god.
She was, you know, nice as

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can be, and she's a very
personable person and I knew her. She

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was in my classes. He appeared
to be really concerned and upset, and

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but something weird happened during the interview. So the news yester, the reporter

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is interviewing him, and you can
kind of hear like a body's been found.

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So they tell him, oh,
a body's been found, and like

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his demeanor just completely changes, Like
you could tell he kind of like blinks

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out for a minute, like he
stands for like a if somebody said a

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body was in his defense, a
body's been found, right, like,

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oh my god, Like he's just
kind of like staring and just being It

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seems weird. It seems weird.
And I did not include it in the

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episode today because it is the new
station's copyrighted work. But if you YouTube,

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if you google search it, you
will be able to find it easily.

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You know. He he at one
point was like, oh, my

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body's been found, and then he's
like he stands there for probably ten seconds

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and he's like I need to go
sit down, and he walks away,

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and you see it all in the
news story. So you know, like

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you said, you might be watching
this break out and being like, oh,

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oh, he's just a concerned neighbor
who just heard maybe like a classmate

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and you know, acquittance it was
found. But that's not how the police

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viewed it. The police saying,
someone tells me that I know, right,

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like holy oh yeah, like oh
and you know you're this woman's missing,

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right, that's horrible. But that's
not how like I said, that's

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not how the police viewed it.
They looked at it more like he was

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like, holy shit, the gig
is up kind of thing, you know.

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However, they obviously didn't have enough
evidence at this point when Lauren is

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found to really arrest anybody. So
they continue their investigation and they start canvassing

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the neighborhood, you know, asking
neighbors like can I start your apartment real

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quick just to see, you know, is she here? And the neighbors

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are like sure, you know,
we have nothing to hide. And when

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they go to Steven to ask him, he says, no, you can't

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come in my apartment. It's messing, right, yeah really, I'm like,

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yeah, I don't want you coming
in. So they're like, hey,

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oh that's weird. Everybody else seems
to be complying, and so they

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lay the pressure on him, and
you know, him being a law student,

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you could say like, well,
he knows his rights, you know,

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right to search and seizure. You
really need a warrant, he has

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nothing. Yeah, if you have
nothing to hide whatever, And so he

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eventually relents and he lets them come
in his apartment. So they're searching around

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and they see some keys and don't
ask me how they recognize it or whatever

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why it brings such attention to them. But they're like, oh, hey,

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what is this key? And he
says, oh, I have a

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master key to the apartment complex.
Why right, maintenance guy here? No,

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They're like, well, why do
you have a master key? Like

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are you using it? And his
dumb ass says, oh, yeah,

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I did use it to enter two
neighbor's apartments where I stole condoms? What

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from their apartment? What is that? I like, of all the things

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to take and all the ga I
mean, aren't they they're not that expensive?

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He's a law student who knows,
probably living on student loans. I

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don't know. Okay, you're gonna
I know, I don't know. But

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they said, okay, well,
this admission is now a burglary, an

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admission to burglary for condoms for condoms. So they are like, okay,

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we need to take you down to
the station. And that was the that

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was the excuse they could use.
Yes, that's the excuse they could use.

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Right, So they take him to
the police station and they're interrogating him,

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and the interrogation, which I'm going
to include a clip of it is

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just odd. He his demeanor they're
asking him. They ask him all kinds

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of questions, you know, even
general questions like I can't think of one

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at the moment, but it could
be like what's your favorite ice cream?

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You know, like like just non
to the investigative questions. They're just trying

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to get him to talk the best
of my knowledge and belief. Yeah,

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I believe it's vanilla Nola. I'm
gonna say that it's the most popular flavor,

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I believe. So he's not answering
their questions. He really only answers

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yes, no, or I don't
know. And they do ask him questions

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like you know, do you know
where Lauren is? You know, did

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you have a relationship with her?
They asked. He's just very His demeanor

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is weird. It's robotic. It
is lacking emotion and we'll play a clipped

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out. How many guns did you
have in your apartment? Three? What

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are they? Do you know what
they are? A rifle? What kind

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of rifle did you have? An
AKA semi automatic? Where'd you buy from

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Classic Arms? Is that Atlanta or
something online? Okay? What kind of

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pistols are you own? EAA witness
full size and compact? Okay? What

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is that? What about the one
that was on the bed, that's the

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full size, that's the full size? Words of what was the other one?

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Where was that at on the table
by the bed? Mm? Yeah,

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remember I was in there? And
then you had that samurai sword?

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Yes, that's just a I mean
that's not ex it's an expensive sword.

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Or it's just a knockoff. It's
just one of the knockoff swords. Yes?

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And what about the knife which the
big one that was remember you showed

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me it was dole? Yes?
What kind of life is that? Because

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I don't know kukri or where do
you get something like that online? I

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bought it from a friend. Who
do you think to a glaring away?

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I don't know. Well, I
need your help. Can you give me

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some what what is your observation of
this? I know you're smarter, Okay,

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I know you have an observation.
You can tell me what's what do

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you think happened to her? I
think someone took correct do you think?

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Uh? I mean you watch TV
shows right like you take the shows.

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What's your observation? How do you
think somebody would take her? If somebody

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did take her when she was running? Did she normally run? All the

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time? She runs? I don't
know how often? You mean you think

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somebody mighta took her when she was
running, like down the street somewhere.

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Yes, you don't think somebody got
her when she got back to her apartment?

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I don't know. Well, you
know there was a body found in

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the trash can next to the apartments. Yes, you do know all that.

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And it's a female, white female's
body right there, right next to

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y'all apartment. Need all these weapons
for her? Are you scared somebody gonna

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hurt you? No? What do
you need all these weapons for to have?

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Why there's a reason. Why were
you molested as a child? No?

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Then why do you need all these
weapons to have? Why? Give

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me one good reason. We're in
the middle of the story at this point.

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And I just want to say,
while we were recording this episode,

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the power went out, So Talia
has a different outfit on You're wondering.

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I don't normally change my outfits in
the middle of the episode. So we

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will continue the episode now, Yes, okay. So, despite Stevens's initial

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uncooperative nature during the interrogation, his
arrest for burglary was fruitful in the way

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that it allowed the police to be
able to get a search warrant and search

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his apartment. While searching his laptop, they just found a treasure trove of

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some crucial evidence. Oh, his
online searches, we're just like he frequently

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visited Lauren's social media pages. He
would view violent pornography while he was looking

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at pictures of her, and he
searched for nude Lauren gettings. And he

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also went to porn sites that featured
cannibalism and the number this yeah, right,

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how do you find the idea?
Like there's porn that featured disnumber man

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the dark one, like I said, this could be the dark Web,

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Like I don't like okay, I
don't know, I know nothing. It's

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something like there's not a flag that
goes off when you're searching for some guardship,

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like a cable company like I don't
know that just goes to show I

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guess whatever. But they all know
what you're doing. FYI if they if

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your computer ever gets seized or your
laptop ever gets seized, you know what

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you're doing looking up cannibalism porns.
Yeah. So oh. The one of

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the other crazy things they found was
they found a deleted video that he had

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made where he had recorded Lauren's apartment
and he used a camera that he put

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like on a pole and he was
using it to look through her windows.

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So I picture like one of those
selfie sticks. But I'm sure it was

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like a like a complete creep.
What a creep, complete creeper. They

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found a collection of knives and guns, as well as spots of blood splattered

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on the walls and ceiling. They
found child pornography, Yeah, disgusting,

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and a pair of Lauren's underwear in
his bedroom drawer. Right. Didn't you

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get in trouble if you're downloading child
for not I would think so again,

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where's the red flag like for a
company that's providing internet service? I don't

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know. I remember the guy from
the who that yes, Peter town say,

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yeah, he was like amount of
pedophile given this for research? I

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know he really was, Like yeah, how he really was? How does

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he get flagged? And I don't
know anyway, I don't know the rules

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on this. They then searched the
apartment complex and they found a large bloody

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sheet that had Lauren's blood on it. They found that in the laundry room,

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they found a hacksaw with human flesh
still on it. And I know

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it's it's so terrible what he did
to her. And they the they did

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find the original packing that for the
hacksaw in his apartment, so they were

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able somehow to link that together.
What do you mean the original packing,

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like the packaging they bought it.
Yeah, it came in. How does

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the hacksaw come I thought they just
came as a hacksaw. I don't know.

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I guess if you're getting it in
the mail or something. I don't

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know. I don't know. Did
they have Amazon, I don't know,

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I don't know. I'm confused.
Anyway. During their investigation, they also

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found that he had created an Excel
spreadsheet which detailed steps on how to dismember

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a body that heavily referenced books,
books. He's like a law student girl.

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He's citing his sources. I mean, this is crazy. I don't.

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I'm like a spreadsheet, like meant
methodically step by step on how he's

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how to dismember someone. I mean, because he's he he's smarty, stupid.

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Why would you ever, why would
you document it? Why can't you

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just keep it all up here?
That's how people get caught, though,

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And so we're thankful he got caught. Yeah, we are, because he's

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horrible human being. There were images
on his computer of emails and instant messages

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he had sent to Laura Lauren and
like he had asked her out, I

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think, and he's saved like screenshots
of it, or they were able to

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find the the conversation, even though
you know, she had declined by the

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way, she didn't want to go
out with him. I'm sure she didn't

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want to go out at the time
of her death. She was in a

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long term relationship with and he's a
fucking weirdo, Yeah, with a man

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named David. He's not the weirdo, but Steven is. Yeah, And

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over the days leading up to her
Grizzly Grizzly murder, Stephen told his roommate

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that hit a rummate. He had
a roommate, that he felt he had

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no conscience and he loved power,
and that he was going to gain dominance

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over a victim and he would use
chloroform like that's I think he was maybe

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describing like what he would do,
kind of like the OJ if I had

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done it, this is how I
would do it. Who tells the roommate

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that? And as a roommate,
You're like, oh, yeah, I

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know, what are you say that? You'd reform somewhere? Okay, okay.

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Yeah. He bragged that he was
going to dismember, like if he

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killed someone, he was going to
dismember them and scatter the body parts like

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in some woods. That's when I
get a new roommate. Yeah, I

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wouldn't want to sleep in that apartment
anymore. Yeah, I'd be like,

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are you gonna be like what?
And I don't want that in my home?

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I know, Oh crazy, this
is crazy. Like Stephen was convinced

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he could commit the perfect murder.
He's so clever, I know he They

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also the police also found out somehow
that Stephen had visited his grandfather had some

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property and that was sixty three wooded
acres, and I believe they determined that

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that's where he just said that he
would scatter body parts, you know,

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like because when he told his roommate, he's like, Oh, yeah,

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I'm gonna I would dump them in
the woods and nobody would ever find them.

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And they're convinced like maybe that was
the plan that he originally had and

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for some reason it didn't work out. And I don't know if it was

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time or what have you, but
that's where he originally probably was going to

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go. So he was eventually arrested
and charged with the murder of Lauren Gettings.

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As details about his disturbing behavior emerged, it became clear that he had

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just he had fixated on her.
She became his obsession, and they realized

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that he had just meticulously planned,
yeah, to murder. She didn't even

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know any of this, and she's
just going to modern business having none.

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The guy across the hall or wherever
it is, planning on was planning on

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murdering her. When the oh,
when the police spoke to him, because

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they were interrogating him, and we
showed some of the interrogation. When he

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was finally presented with dismounting evidence.
He then began talking more. He told

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them exactly what happened. So I'm
going to tell you what happened. According

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to him, Well, the interview
in and of itself is crazy, yeah,

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like something. It's like he's catatonic
or something, right, Yeah,

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he's yeah, yeah, yes,
I know he's It's like he's I'm thinking

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that maybe is he putting on an
act? I wonder if there's no emotion,

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no one word, responses, nothing, But he began to open up

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because he's probably like, oh,
my goose is cooked, right, like

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to put it like, instead of
being like, I'm totally fucked, his

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goose is cooked. So nice,
Yeah, he told them. On June

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twenty sixth, around four thirty am, he had entered Lauren's apartment using that

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master key that he had had,
and she was sleeping. As he went

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inside. He was wearing a mask, oh my god. And he said

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initially he had no entire of harming
Lauren, okay, he just wanted to

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be super creepy and just like stare
at her while she slept. Oh okay.

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However, while he was there,
she woke up after hearing like a

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creek in the floor, or something
imagine, And of course she was surprised

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and scared shitless with Stephen standing there
someone with a mask in the room or

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thirty in the morning. Yeah,
she recognized him too, despite him wearing

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a mask, and he said she
screamed at him to get the fuck out.

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Yeah. Then he jumped on her
bed and strung and a struggle ensued.

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They toppled on the floor and the
struggle ended with Stephen on top of

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her, strangling her to death.
That poor girl. Yeah. After killing

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her, he then dragged her lifeless
body into her bathtub before leaving, and

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he went back to his own apartment. He stayed away from Lauren's apartment for

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almost the whole day. I think
he was maybe trying to see, like

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what would happen, I guess,
or like, did anybody the cops coming,

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Like, I don't know. So
this is late or early morning,

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and then he's chilling out for a
while, and then he comes back.

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He comes back around midnight on the
twenty seventh. Wait, and so was

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she gone a whole day? He
killed her in the early morning hours and

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this is the whole next day.
Yeah, so he well, he went

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back like that night or midnight the
next day, Goda, and then he

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brought the hacksaw with him, and
that's when he dismembered her, removing her

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limbs and her head. He then
wrapped her body parts in several trash bags

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before discarding them in dumpsters on the
Mercer Law School campus, which was across

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the street from the apartment complex.
And he disposed of her torso in the

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apartment complexes trashman and that's what the
policeound. Her head and limbs have never

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been found, so the only thing
they found was what he dumped in the

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apartment trash bin. Why didn't he
dump it all in the same place.

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I don't know. I'm just kidding. I know, like I would be

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worried I was gonna get caught.
So the more you hang, the more

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you're like going around, I think, then it's the higher chance of your

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being caught putting it in your apartment
dumpster. I know. The good thing

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he did though, that's how he
got caught, I guess. In twenty

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fourteen, he accepted a plea and
he pleaded guilty to first degree murder.

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He received a sentence of life in
prison without the possibility of parole. He

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facing the death penelty. Yeah,
the death penalty was taken off the table

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and as part of the plea deal
as long as he would provide details of

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the crime. So that's you know, when they got all the details.

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He was also charged with additional offenses
such as burglary. There were thirty charges

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of sexual exploitation of children. But
oh for the porn, yeah, kitty

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porn. Yeah did he rape?
He didn't rape. No, No,

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at least he said he didn't,
and I don't. I don't know if

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her body showed any signs of it, but that wasn't part of what he

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said happened. But all those extra
charges were eventually dismissed. Living that life,

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yeah, he got life, right, He's not going anywhere, oh

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not. In twenty eighteen, his
father started a gofund me Can't Stop It

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to raise funds for an appeal,
which was taken down shortly after it appeared

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like I'm pretty sure gofund me took
it down. Yeah, yeah, okay,

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yeah, okay. Yeah. He
represented himself in court in twenty eighteen,

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so of course he did, you
know, because he's almost a lawyer.

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He's almost a lawyer, and he's
the smartest guy in law school.

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People are like asking you all these
legal questions. I don't know second year.

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No, I still don't know a
lot of stuff. I mean not

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just read right now. Don't ask
me real estate questions. I have no

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idea. So he argued that he
needed a new trial. He said his

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constitutional rights were violated. He says
due process, Yes, his due process,

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he stated. The police said in
their notes of the initial interrogation that

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they gave him that you know,
he was staring off into space. He

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seemed unresponsive to several of their questions, but he didn't get them any They

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didn't give him medical attention before getting
his consent to search his apartment. So

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he's trying to say, like I
was, I wasn't mentally stable to give

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you consent to search my apartment.
No, he's just a weird though,

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Like, and that doesn't necessarily require
me that. He's like, you know,

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I needed medical attention, and he
took medical attention. Oh yeah,

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so you know, he like shock
or whatever whatever, he was in a

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compromised, you know, mental state. I hate him. He also filed

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a malpractice complaint against his former attorney
for not pursuing diminished capacity as a defense.

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I have that in that state.
Yes again, Uh, Louisiana,

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Louisiana, Georgia. You're asking me. I can't remember now, it's been

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a few weeks. Yes it has, Uh, Georgia, I think,

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yeah, because in Michigan is not
a defense. Yeah. I believe it

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was Georgia. I'm sorry. Despite
his efforts, his you know, grand

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efforts, the appeal was denied by
a judge. He then filed another habeas

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corporate petition in twenty twenty two,
alleging the documents from his defense trial preparation

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were stolen by the district attorney.
I think he was, so he requested

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his conviction be overturned and then released. Denied. Lord, he yes,

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it was. I'm discussing denied.
So as of right now, he remains

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incarcerated at Hancock State Prison in Georgia, thank god. And he's not going

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to be eligible for parole even though
he got life without parole. But I

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think maybe you still get eligible.
No, not a f you of life.

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I don't know. Maybe just got
light. Maybe he just got life.

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But he's eligible for Pearl in twenty
forty one, when he's fifty five.

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Well he'll that'll be denied. Yeah, because he'll still be crazy.

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Yeah he's not getting out. I
mean, you do this to someone,

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No one's getting out. Well,
we've had cases, Yeah, that's true.

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Lauren's remembered very fondly by her family
and her former boyfriend David, who

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said he had planned on proposing to
Lauren when she finished school and passed the

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bar. Oh, sa, I
know her family, just give a little

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shout out and say, like,
you know. Her family says she was

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ambitious, fun loving someone who just
had a really great future ahead of her,

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and so to honor her, her
parents created the Lauren Theesa Getting's Scholarship,

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which gives tuition assistance to students who
financially struggle to pay tuition and that

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they show promise with excellent grades.
So they're students usually who are either like

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first in their family to go to
college because Lauren was first in her family

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to attend college, and or students
who want to focus on either law or

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special education as their majors. Poor
family. I know, I can't even

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I don't even know. It's it's
so terrible, yeah, so horrible.

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That is our story for today,
Laurens Lauren's story. Yes, horrible,

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horrible end I know, it just
goes to show years old. Weird.

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