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It's the Downbeat on ninety seven one, the Free Bosby celebrity chef who was

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on a one of the biggest reality
TV shows in the world, coming in

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about thirty minutes tomorrow at nine ten. Farah Abraham Mike, that's right.

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What do you know about Farah Abray? I know backdoor teen mom and still

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and uh, I only because I
googled her sixteen and pregnant, But I

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don't know anything else. I guess
I will do a little bit of research

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yesday and to educate myself. But
she's famous, right, it's a little

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interesting. Yeah, she's well,
you know, she was famous big time

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back in the day. And she's
been back to the news lately for a

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social media bill that's passing over in
Florida, and uh, she's been kind

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of wanting to almost spread awareness to
this, like why are we policing high

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school? It's from being on social
media. Why don't we police creepy adults

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from being on social media? Like
don't take away my daughter's sixteen year old

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Like, don't take away her phone
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thirty four year old men. And
it's an interesting take. We'll have her

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on just to add to the Chris
Catan week, and celebrity chef Tim Klowers

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who joins the nine ten while are
here Sarah Abraham tomorrow nine ten. If

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you do read her Wikipedia, it
kind of reads out as reality television personality,

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singer, pornographic artist, actress and
writer. So our guests this week

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look like those that might be on
an Entertainment Tonight show or an Eon Lion

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show. It is very eclectic bunch. Yeah, it's the paddle Brade here

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with everyone with everyone with everywhere sound
a lot like somebody else. We might

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get to Dingo's Morning News. We're
still working on this Ja Jason Kidd conversation

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because there's more to it. The
national media went and buck wild with this

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story. And we have got a
caller or two way if you want to

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weigh in two and four eight one
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we can call in her text in
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we're just kind of kicking around at
the back half of last segment,

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Like the way Jason kidds said all
this stuff saying that Luca is better than

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Dirk might have just been a compliment
to Luca, but if you want to

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read deeper into it, and some
of the terminology he used, such as

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for as long as I'm here makes
you go things aren't great right now,

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and maybe he is on a short
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the end of the year and the
breakup. Thought of this comparison, he

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might be the Avery Johnson to Luca's
career. You know, Dirk had Don

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Nelson, he had Avery Johnson,
which is short. He did go to

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the finals, it was short,
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legendary coach for a long long time, Avery Johnson and then legendary coach for

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a long time. And maybe the
same thing here with Luca. From carlisles

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into a short one with Kid and
maybe a long term you know, maybe

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more more of a head coach that
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Maybe that's the way it goes,
kind of the way it did with Dirk.

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What's Phil Jackson doing? You know, let's get Phil. But we

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can be wrong. Maybe it's speculation. It's like we're kind of just thinking

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to much because it's possible. He
is your Jason Kidd is the coacher for

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five, six, seven years,
it does not feel like things are all

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good in hunky Dory right now,
and maybe the best way to put out

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that fire, even if you're being
honest, is to amplify Luca is the

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best he is an MJ conversation because
I guarantee you Luca's approval, Well,

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I say guarantee. I think Luca's
approval means ten times more than Mark Cuban's

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approval of Jason for his longevity here, I think so well. I think

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Cuban's approval is dependent on Luca's approval, right. I think a lot of

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things are dependent on the way Luca
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with the MAVs. And that's not
different. That's like that in sports,

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like dude, it's it's even more
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that's not This is not different than
everywhere else. You would do whatever you

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wanted. If Michael Jordan hated Phil
Jackson, Phil Jackson would have been there,

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like it will have been handled,
you know. So there's some Slovenian

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coach. Is that going too far? Maybe the old assistant, I mean

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Holger never jockey to be the head
coach. No, I don't think Dirk

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ever even suggested it. Yeah,
I know, maybe a similar comparison.

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Though. Let's let's reset real quick. Let's replay the audio for those of

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you that may or may not have
heard it. You want to hear it

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again. This is Luca. I'm
sorry, this is Jason Kidd discussing Luca

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right here on the downbeat yesterday morning
before I'll say it. You know,

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for as long as I'm here,
he can't take this young man for granted,

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he's better than Dirk. He's in
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MJ, the best to ever do
at lebron Kobe. And so just to

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appreciate what this young man is doing
to day he's at twenty four is something

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that Dallas has never seen and said
this internally, he is better than Dirk.

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He does things that Dirk could never
do. And now it's you know,

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the opportunity of getting the right people
around him to ultimately win a championship.

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You just said two times that Luca
is better than Dirk. Dirk won

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a title and had been to two
Do you feel comfortable saying that on a

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guy that has not made the even
made the finals yet? Yeah, MJ

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is the same way MJ didn't make
it into his thirties. This young man

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is twenty four and is breaking all
the records that stand in front of him.

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And he's a winner, and his
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and he will get there and not
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but he will win multiple on when
it's all said and done, I want

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to say something real quick, and
I bet you guys might agree with me.

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What what happened yesterday was a prime
example, maybe even a microcosm,

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of the way the sports teams in
the media work. I think Jason Kidd

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knew exactly what he was going to
say yesterday, he had a platform to

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say it, and I think that
we were used for him to get that

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message out to Luca Mike. He
mentioned earlier, Sometimes the message resonates louder

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when it said to somebody else and
it's overheard by the person that it's directed

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at, rather than it being directed
personally to that person. I think it's

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some times those things can go in
one air and out the other, especially

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when you're talking about maybe a more
of a child slash parental relationship, which

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in a way this kind of is. And we saw an opportunity knowing that

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the quotes were pretty you know,
could be perceived as somewhat explosive, and

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we in turn use the quotes to
possibly draw attention to what we do to

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get some pub Yeah, knowing that
because there was no context provided and Jason

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Kidd was making a flat statement of
a blanket flat statement about Luca being better

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than Dirk, that a lot of
national pundits were going to run with this,

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and they did, and the cycle
is over. I don't expect Jason

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Kidd to get any follow up questions
by the media tonight, do you.

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I think it's yeah, okay,
fifty to fifty, But you know,

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the new cycle is typically twenty four
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People say what they want to say
about it, which we'll get to in

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a moment. We got some audio
to play in the news last night,

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the articles were written, and I
think today, other than maybe one quick

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follow up, hey, do you
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you mentioned yesterday that you thought Luca's
better than Dirk, and then I

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think it gives him an opportunity to
provide the context that all of the talking

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heads have provided based on this,
based on what he said yesterday. It's

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a really interesting it's an interesting formula. It's an interesting dynamic. And you

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see this happen all the time and
in the world that we live in now

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that everything is so divisive and everything's
got to be subjective and debated and argued,

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and Jason Kidd's an idiot. Man, Dirk won a title. No,

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man, you're wrong. Luca is
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Right. Now, then you get
all that, and then what's the

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next topic? All right, and
then you move on. Yeah, and

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it's forgotten. It's disposable. It's
disposable content that people it with their short

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attention spans. It's just like,
let me snack on this and spit it

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out. What's the next thing.
There's not a lot to chew on here.

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There's really not when you when you
think about this as as something that's

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real and meaningful. No, this
is a formula and it happens every day

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with pretty much every damn story that
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on or wherever. This is PTI
fodder before before we play the nation,

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I mean, what do you think, do you know my way off base?

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Is it too much? Pulling the
curtain back. Well, no,

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but that's what almost every conversation about
sports is and what most twenty four hour

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either news or sports networks, that's
exactly what they are. It's why Jerry

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does quick topics to yell about and
then move on. I guess I just

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felt it interesting that that with a
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example of that, the fact that
we were directly involved in it and got

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to see it from from the birth
until it's death, which will probably be

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later today if if the questions even
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hear about this again. Well,
the funny thing is real quick. I'm

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sorry. Two years ago, Dirk
made these exact comments. Yeah right,

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he's already been said. Dirk already
said this about himself. Yeah, Jason

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or Luca dncis is better than I
ever was. He said that about on

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all these national shows. Almost the
same conversations that they had yesterday afternoon happened

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two years ago. Yeah, like, oh, Dirk says Luke's better than

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him, same exact debates, probably
some of them verbatim. Yeah, recirculate,

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recirculate. Okay, go ahead,
let's up before we listen to the

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national audio, which might give us
some fun drops too in the future.

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Let's go to a call her color
JJ. Yeah, we got Giovanni from

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Aubrey Jo. Good morning, g
O, what's on your mind? Morning

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morning. I definitely think that it's
a psychological thing at this point. I

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think that uh, Jason kid is
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of cradle and Luke at this point
because Luca is the only one saving his

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job at this moment. There's no
reason for us to be down seventy seven

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points in a half to the Orlando
Magic. They have nobody to support Luca.

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Everybody already knows that lucas the All
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Dirk has said in the past,
this is all psychological game. He just

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doesn't want to lose his job at
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do definitely need to surround Luca around
some pieces because all these air balls.

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I mean, you had Hardy,
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well was it against the Magic?
But tell me who else you had

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Tim Hardaway three for twelve, I
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with some pieces so we can win
a championship. At the point, at

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the point when Luca gets like,
hey, you know what I'm done?

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Screw this. I think Jason Kidd
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the core that we have. And
I don't just blame Jason Kidd. I

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blame, of course, everybody else
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and what I've been. Thank you
for your time, Joe, appreciate it.

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Thank you for the call. I
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tried, like you trade for Porzingis, that is an attempt. You trade

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for Kyrie, that is an attempt. They don't know what they are yet

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they go win games in the playoffs. We're not talking about that, and

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we're probably not talking about Jason Kidd's
security as a head coach. It is

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funny, though that Jason Kidd in
that clip did say that Luca will win

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championships once we get people that can
surround him, which is kind of an

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indictment on the current roster. He
didn't say that we have it now.

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He said once we get people to
surround Luca, then then he'll win those

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multiple champions But showing him that you're
trying is valuable. And with Porzingis and

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Kyrie, they are they are consistently
trying to get massive All star level players

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in here, and they've done it
twice. Now I think they can be

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a top four team in the West
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because he's important. Now this thing, I think that's a top four team

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in the West, maybe five,
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I'm pushing a little bit. All
right, Let's talk about how this all

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went down, because we knew we
had a little something, and Kevin did

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great on trimming it down and making
it digestible. I suppose putting the transcribing

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it and putting the words up on
an image, you know, I mean,

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it's kya buddy. Kent went and
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know how to do it right.
It's basic for some people, but we

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have to do everything ourselves here.
So you got someone named Kent to do

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it, who we sent money to
and cost us money out of our pocket

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to get this done. But we
knew it would be hot, and I

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don't know, pull the curtain and
tell him how how do you get it

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from something that was just said on
a radio station that definitely could use a

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whole lot more listeners to something that's
being talked about worldwide. Well, we

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have go to people that you send
it to immediately. Tim McMahon is the

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ESPN contact. We've all known Tim
McMahon for a long time. Uh.

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Pete Friedman at Channel eight w f
a A sent it to him. Dallas

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News kind of has a site that
you can send them stuff to and they

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kind of pick and choose. I
was surprised they they did put something up

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and put our names and all that
on their articles. I don't I never

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know if they will there, and
they did. They did. Yeah who

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wrote the article? Oh you know
what? I don't know, but uh

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it was it was out you know, early this morning, late last night.

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They had something. So said,
all the TV stations in town,

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all the outlets, but is it
the magazine? Uh, put something up

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and yeah, before he before he
gets TMZ ends up with it. They

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usually ended up with Tim McMahon wrote
an article. That's the thing. They

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like that, that's what spread it. Yes, because the second the ESPN

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dot Com article dropped, then it
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Sports Illustrated. Those are probably the
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surprised to see TMZ get it.
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dah, I could see that getting
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so that's that's basically trimming the audio
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it out to him. You're texting
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almost all of them did. Yeah, Okay, here is on pardon pardon

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the interruption with Tony Kornheiser and Michael
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Former Monday Night football analyst Tony Gornheiser. Here's a twenty six second clip of

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them, and they do credit the
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Let's still see a Kid told nineties
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sure you're all familiar with that.
That Luca is better than Dirk Clause and

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it's in the act sphere of Michael, Jordan, Lebron and Kobe. I'll

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bet you agree with that. Not. I love Jason Kidd. He knows

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what he's saying. He's a brilliant
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played his first lick of defense Luca
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defender, knows that. No,
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anti analytics. It's very old school. So I'm not surprised that. I'm

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sure you've heard of that. I
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name dude first of that again,
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that. I thought I thought Michael
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that clip, maybe earlier in the
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Let's go to the big finish less
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the freak. I'm sure you're all
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we are not. Do you think
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sports talkers just see the freak and
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thought we were the game or the
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this position because it was fun yesterday, like refreshing it and you can just

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google news. It is fun and
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news, check it on Twitter and
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then I'm the guy because we always
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NBA credited to shams, you know, or like they credit it kind of

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and I'm like, who cares who
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I'm like, come on, say
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yeah, some juice, right,
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make sure it was in there.
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thanks. Some of them actually put
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cool. So then PTI was on
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five to five thirty, and then
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teas right off the bat. This
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sports everybody. We have a packed sixteen

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minutes for you tonight. We are
live with the Lakers and the Knicks and

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the sound bite that you absolutely have
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compares Luca DUTCHI Michael Jordan. Wow, oh that is joke. I mean

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the sound bite you absolutely that is
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Now that but that's great. Oh, by the way, Hannah's Storm cool

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chick. Yeah, Houston super Bowl
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Why are you winking I don't know, I'm winking out there was a coworker

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of ours at the time who probably
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have a kidding Obviously, she's a
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you do with any big story,
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you make people sit through stuff to
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Hannah Storm brought on Tim Legler,
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great three former sniper. That's right. Yeah, and she had Tim

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on and this whole package is like
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play all of it. I'll play
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can just kind of get a little
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you why the freak got snubbed a
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right, last night, Tim Maverick
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was just a rebound shy of a
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the Magic. We all know we
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five points a game this season,
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Embi and his head coach had this
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for granted. He's better than Derek. He's in the Okay, we've heard

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this audio. And typically when they
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other than their own, and sometimes
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credit, oh, this was on
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one speaking. They may have like
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a wavefile or a wiggly line or
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in text up above the top.
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the clip, but they did not
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the station, nor when they this
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play did they show a graphic crediting
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this radio station, or not to
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all threes. It's trace, trace, trace, This is negligence. I

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thought that was pretty uh interesting.
I was a little kind of bummed,

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you know, because you look,
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and Mike you said it. It's
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it's cool to see something that you
were involved in kind of blow up

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and go viral. It doesn't happen
every day. So if you're not going

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to enjoy those moments a little bit, then why the hell are you doing

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this? And we can downplay it
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you know news cycle twenty four hours
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isn't really that big of a deal. But look, you may, you

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may piss on the Grammys all you
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you win one, it feels probably
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only been the Hey cool, that
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we need a lot of a lot
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if they see that up there,
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ESPN, they must be good.
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when we were hoping for a little
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National ESPN on Sports Center, which
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whole thing, but our names up
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that was it was really fun.
We crawled out of the dokhouse yesterday.

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Boys. Welcome back to freedom.
They called it a stay of execution.

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Let's go snack on our dry food. All right, Well, if we

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have anything else on that, we'll
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