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Hey, everybody, and welcome to
another episode. It's week. It's just

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me, no guest, no co
hosts, just Charles max Wood coming in

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here and talking about stuff. Now. I'm gonna talk more about careers than

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I am about iOS development. Basically, I'm going to kind of give a

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little bit of an outline for figuring
out what it is that you want from

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your career and your life. I
get a lot of people asking me essentially

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how to stay current. It seems
like that kind of leads a little bit

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into career plans and things like that, And when I answer people, a

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lot of times, I'm like,
well, that depends on what you want,

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and so I really do want to
dive in and just kind of hit

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this from an angle that makes a
lot of sense, so that when you're

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trying to figure out what to learn
or where to go or where to work

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or anything like that, because this
is a big part of finding a new

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job too, right, A lot
of people wind up they kind of coast

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through a job until they lose it
or until they just can't take it anymore,

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and then they go out and apply
and whoever winds up giving them an

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offer first, they take that job
and they just rinse and repeat. And

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my goal with devjat Do TV is
not just to have a bunch of podcasts,

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right, I really want to have
podcasts that help people get to a

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place in their life that matters to
them. Right. We cast a lot

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of value judgments on where people end
up, what they're doing, what they're

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working on, where they live,
all that kind of thing, and at

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the end of the day, what
really matters is what makes them happy.

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Right. And So for example,
I live here in Utah, and there

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are a lot of things that I
like about living in Utah, but the

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big thing for me is my family
here, right, And that's a lot

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of the reason why I've stayed here. It's a lot of the reason why

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my wife wants to stay here.
We've talked sometimes, you know, because

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I'm kind of an adventurous soul and
I want to go see the world.

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But you know, so we've talked
about, oh, well, wouldn't it

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be fun to move out to,
you know, somewhere else. And what

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ultimately anchors us here is our families. So you know, for me that's

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a big deal. But somebody else
may be going, I want to go

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move off to the tiniest island in
the world that has a village on it,

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and I want to do part time
fishermen and part time programmer. So

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who knows, right, who really
knows? So what I really want to

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dive into this time is just figuring
out where your career is, figuring out

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where your life is where you want
it to be, right, and then

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we can start to sort of build
backward from there and build the kind of

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career that we want. Okay,
So what I want you to do is

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I want you to close your eyes
unless you're driving or something, right,

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but close your eyes and just think
for a minute of that place right,

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where do you want your life to
wind up? Where do you want your

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career to wind up? What kinds
of things are really going to matter to

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you? So so let's think for
a minute. Right, Let's go to

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a place that's way down the road
for the younger folks and not so far

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down the road for the older folks, and talk about retirement. Do you

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want to retire? Do you want
to retire and go do specific kinds of

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things? Right? So, my
mom, for example, she teaches high

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school over here. She wants to
retire in like five years, right,

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and then she's got a pretty concrete
plan as far as what she wants to

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do. She wants to go travel
all over the world. She wants to

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see some pretty specific places and just
some places that she you know, probably

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isn't thinking of right now that are
going to you know, broaden her horizons

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and give her experiences that she wants. Right. So, is that what

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you're seeing or are you more like
me? Right? Because people ask me,

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oh, yeah, you know podcasting
blah blah blah and build your own

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company and eventually you can sell it
and retire and be rich, right,

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is kind of the idea behind having
your own company. But I really enjoy

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what I do, right, I
really love this, and I don't really

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foresee a place where I get to
where I'm going. I don't want to

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do that anymore. Right, And
so the idea of retiring and I see

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people retire and then like they become
professional TV watchers, I can't do that.

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I am not made to do that
now. Maybe in another twenty thirty

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forty years I'm gonna be going.
I'd really like to be able to sit

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down and watch TV all day,
But for right now, I mean it

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sounds nice for a couple of days, maybe a week, where I could

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just sit down and not have to
do anything. But the idea of retiring

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and not having anything to do would
drive me completely insane. And even like

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traveling the world and things like that, I kind to need a project to

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work on, right. My wife's
stepdad's kind of that way, right.

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He retired five six, seven years
ago, maybe more, and he's constantly

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working on motorcycles, cars, and
you know, he's always got a project

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going. And my father in law, my wife's dad, he still works,

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right, he's a general contractor.
He's actually doing work at my mom's

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house I think right now, okay, because my mom hired him to help

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remodel her kitchen. So you kind
of get the idea, right. Some

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people are really wired for that,
and some people aren't. So thinking about

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that the long term, it's probably
not a terrible idea to put money into

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a retirement account, whether you plan
to retire or not. I'm planning on

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doing that, just so that you
know, something changes and I can't,

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right, or if my project turns
into I get a phone call. So

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I'm a member of the Church of
Jesus Christ latterday Saints, right, so

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I could see in thirty or twenty
years, Right, I get a phone

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call from Salt Lake and they go, we want you to go on a

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mission. Right. I want to
be able to afford that and just go.

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But it's not going to be a
permanent thing, right, I come

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back and then I'm going to want
to be right back into this. Right.

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So so that's the kind of thing
that you want to think about,

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right, is Okay, where do
I want to end up? And yeah,

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that's not a ton of the programming
career kind of thing, right.

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I mean, I'm looking at this
as a long term I'm gonna die sitting

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in this chair with a microphone in
front of me, and so I am

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thinking of it that way. But
for a lot of people maybe not,

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And who knows. I mean maybe
things will change in twenty years and I

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wind up running for a public office
or doing something else. Right, So

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that you know this isn't the thing, But I'm still not planning to retire,

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So anyway, you kind of get
the idea there as far as you

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know, just thinking ahead that way, And Okay, so if I if

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I need to have a retirement fund
in place, right so that I can

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go do a church service, or
I can go do you know, public

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service, or I can go do
whatever. Right, I can go work

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for a chair, I can go
volunteer at a charity full time or something

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like that. Right. So,
if my life circumstances are that way,

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or if I just can't work,
then I have money to pay bills.

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Right, So I need to be
making a certain amount now, right to

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pay my bills now, and then
I need to be making a certain amount

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more to be able to save up
for retirement. And so those are kinds

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of things to think about. And
that's really really long term. But I'm

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starting way out there in long term
and kind of working my way backward because

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from there, you know, then
maybe we can say, okay, well,

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before we retire, what kind of
a career do I want to have

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or what kind of a life do
I want to have? The other thing

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to consider, And this is something
that I'm kind of getting into right now.

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My kids, right my oldest is
fourteen, my youngest is three,

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and so it's getting to the place
where I really do want to get more

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quality time one on one with my
kids, especially my older kids, right

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because I feel like right now is
the time where I really do have the

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opportunity to be a good influence on
them and help them figure out life and

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design the kind of life they want
to have. And some of the decisions

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they're making now are going to affect
them later on. Right, if if

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one of my kids wants to go
to college or have a specific profession that

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you have to go to college for, like they want to be a doctor

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or a lawyer or something, then
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relationship with them now to help them
to get through school with good grades so

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they can get in right, or
if they decide they want to do something

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else, they're going, Dad,
I just want to be a podcaster like

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you. I don't know that.
I don't know that I need a degree.

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Right, they might need a degree
and in whatever it is they talk

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about on their podcast maybe, or
maybe they decide that getting a journalism or

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an English or you know, some
kind of fine arts degree is going to

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get them where they want to go. You know, we need to be

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talking about those things, and I
want to have that kind of relationship.

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I also want to have the kind
of relationship with them and spend the kind

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of time with them. I mean, just because I care about them,

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but also because you know, maybe
there are other things I mean besides career,

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right, you know, I want
them to be you know, I

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want them to know or at least
to have thought deeply about the church,

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right, and I want to spend
you know. So anyway, So the

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time with my kids is something that
I'm designing for right now, and that's

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going to be a thing for the
next ten to twenty years, right,

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is how do I do this with
my kids? I mean, some of

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the things I'm thinking about are do
I take them to conferences with me?

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Do I you know? And I
took them to NGI COMF last year and

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they really enjoyed that. But they
went to the kids track and I went

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and did my work, right,
So it wasn't time together per se.

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But I could see like one of
the podcasting conferences or something, right,

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especially like the podcast Movement Extension,
which is in Los Angeles, right,

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So then I could take one of
my kids to that, and then we

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could go to Disneyland for a day
and then we come home or something,

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right anyway, So so yeah,
so designing life for that, right,

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And Okay, well I need to
make a little more money, so I

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can, you know, do that. I need to be efficient enough with

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my time to be able to spend
it with them, that kind of a

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thing. So just thinking about those
lifestyle things that are going to come within

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the next ten years, five years, and things like that, and then

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looking at your career in the same
arc. Right. So for a long

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time, I really wanted to be
a speaker at the conferences, right,

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I really looked up to them.
I thought that that was a track that

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I wanted to be on. I
like the recognition they got, and so,

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you know, I looked at those
things, and again I was just

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sitting here going, Okay, you
know, do I want to be a

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speaker, or maybe you want to
be a podcaster, or maybe you don't

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want to be a podcaster. Maybe
you want to be a blogger, Maybe

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you want to do YouTube, maybe
you want to do screencasts. Maybe you

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just want to show up at work
at eight leave five and go skiing.

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I mean anything, right, you
know, halftime, Fishermen, halftime,

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I mean whatever, Right, I
want to own one hundred head of cattle.

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I mean, I don't know,
but you know, just just think

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through that and what that really means
and where that's going to get you and

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then start working backward from that.
So some of these ideas that we're talking

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about, like, for example,
being a speaker, for example, you

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need to specialize. You need to
specialize enough to where you can. For

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example, I was talking to somebody
or earlier we did an Adventures in Angular

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episode, right, and I was
chatting with him and he was like,

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well, did you submit any talks
to advent or to Ngi Koon? And

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I think I might have. I
don't remember. I don't honestly don't remember.

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But the issue is is that I
haven't specialized on angular, right,

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and so the kinds of talks that
I'm going to give it an angular conference

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are going to be much less focused
on angular and much more focused on other

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skills. Or I'm going to be
giving like, hey, here's the beginner

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blah blah blah blah, right,
you know, the basics or maybe intermediate

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stuff. I'm not going to be
deep on it because I'm not deep on

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it every day. And so if
you want to speak at some of these

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conferences, it really helps to be
really plugged into the community, and it

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helps to really you know, have
a certain level of expertise so that you

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can hit the topics that people are
going to want to hear about, or

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you've got to have some other unique
take on things that they're not going to

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get from another speaker. And so
you know, usually they have one or

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two that's like I think last year
they had a talk that was like as

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for Angular and you know it was
a unique talk, right, and so

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it kind of had that. So
you've got to kind of figure out what

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kind of a speaker you want to
be, and you've got to build the

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skills to be able to do the
talks. And so that may mean going

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to toast masters, it may be
mean reading books. There a bunch of

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great books on speaking out there,
practice making slides, you know, going

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to the users groups, you know, and so people talk about how do

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I stay current or how do I
build the skills that I need? And

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like I said, you know now
that we're talking about speaking skills. It

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really depends on where you want to
end up, right, And so if

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you want to be a speaker,
then you've got to figure out where the

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swift conferences are or the mobile development
conferences are. You know, maybe you

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wind up speaking at like Oscon or
something that's open source. You know,

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and you're speaking at that you know, so you're speaking about a specific,

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specific topic at a general conference.
But yeah, just kind of diving through

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and figuring that out. If you
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what I want to do programming part
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part time or something else part time, then what you've got to decide is,

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trial and error. In fact,
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what they don't realize is kind of
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after you've tried it a bit,
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the time allocation is just trial and
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a mentor who can help them write
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where you're looking at it and you're
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skills, what opportunities do I need
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than I'm making, or maybe I
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dollars a year, And so you
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go do some research and it's okay. Well, it seems like people who

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take on managing infrastructure like staging systems
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things like that, they tend to
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cetera on the topic, so that
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things work, so that you can
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you can make the case to them
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that doesn't even work, then maybe
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raise every time I moved. And
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a system that managed the support staff
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brought it back. So I got
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no, and I went and worked
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them until they laid me off,
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hired there, got a raise,
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you know, sometimes that's the path
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can find somebody who's been there and
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they made that transition. So if
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things like that, and get in that

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way. Maybe you want to be
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whatever, right, and so you
wind up contributing to a couple of open

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run them you see how that works,

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you write a library that solves it. But anyway, there are a lot

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of different ways to figure out how
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the same thing with the rest of
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your own business or moving up in
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at, be a founder, CTO
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that, but you're gonna have to
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do that, and you're probably again
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it's a road, it's a pros
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you're probably going to need to be
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and figure that out. And then
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okay, well, then what's the
next step? Right, And it could

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be a new job, it could
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better pay, or different circumstances.
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say, okay, well, how
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how do I get senior developer status?

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Whatever? And figure out what that
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aren't going to offer it to you, then figure out where you can get

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it somewhere else. And when you
do that, and this is all in

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the Max Coder's Guide defining your dream
developer job is you know, if it

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turns out that you do need a
different job to get you that, then

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that becomes one of the top three
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a company can't offer it to you, you won't take a position with them.

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next step is the way you get
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been thinking about for a while.
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add to this is that a lot
of people have a lot of reasons in

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their head as to why they can't
right, I'm a this, I'm a

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that they're a this they are,
that the community does or doesn't blah blah

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blah for people like me. But
what I find is ultimately, the people

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who get what they want are the
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saying the system isn't necessarily fair or
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any of that, But ultimately,
when it comes right down to it,

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is that that's the system you have
to work in, and the best way

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for you to actually change the system
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it, right because then essentially you
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thinking, Okay, well this is
where I want to end up, this

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is these are the career places I
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the decisions I want to make,
This is what I'm looking at. Then

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you can make those calls right then
you can say, okay, well these

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are the next steps I need to
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things that I need to do,
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I need to get to know.
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I'm hoping to make at the end
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my life. So that's something that
I'm really thinking about right now as far

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as like, you know, what
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am I really looking for from life? What am I really looking for to

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give to other people during my life? And what kind of I don't really

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love the term legacy, but what
kind of an impact? Right if I

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weren't here, what would the world
lack? And you know, just kind

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of nail that down so that I
know what I'm after and then again and

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just work backward from that. And
yeah, I've had some I've had some

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instances where things just didn't work out
the way I wanted them to, where

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it felt like things were sliding backward
instead of forward. But you know,

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when I look at it, the
more I look at it, the more

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I realize, you know, what
I got to get in. I got

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to get my rear ending gear.
I got to really kick it up a

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not your ten and own it and
earn it. And so that's that's kind

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of what I'm looking at for you. But if you don't have that initial

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direction, then you may be doing
things that ultimately don't work out for you

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in the long run. So anyway, those are more or less my thoughts.

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is if you can't find a mentor

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find somebody who's done and do what
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crap sometimes because I'll copy people's stuff, like not plagiarized content. I've never

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done that, but you know,
it's like, oh, that approach is

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working for you, so I'm gonna
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that's a totally legitimate way to learn
and it works. So yeah, anyway,

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whatever it is you want, just
figure it out, go after it,

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and do the work. And yeah, I'm not promising you that you'll

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get it in two months or ten
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but you can consistently then start saying, well, then this is where I'm

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at and this is where I want
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those judgment calls. So yeah,
anyway, I've kind of rambled through this

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a little bit. It's a little
bit shorter episode than we normally put out,

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but yeah, that's really what I've
been thinking about. Now, as

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far as anything else goes, I
am going to encourage you to go get

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the Max Cooder's Guide Defining your dream
developer job working on the audiobook. It

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should be out soon ish. It
may already be out by the time this

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goes live. I haven't checked dates
on this yet, so anyway, definitely

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check that out as far as anything
else goes. I've got a couple of

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picks as well for just things that
I've been enjoying. One pick is a

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series of books. I read them
a long time ago when I was a

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teenager. It's a Magician Apprentice and
Magician Master. They're part of the Riftwar

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saga by Raymond E. Feist,
and I really have enjoyed those books.

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They're awesome. And then the other
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that I've been watching. It's an
Amazon original series. It's called The Man

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in the High Castle, and it's
a pretty awesome show. I'm still in

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the first season, so maybe it
doesn't, you know, live up to

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it. A lot of shows the
first season is awesome, in the second

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season, I'm just like, Okay, I passed, but this is really

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good. I'm really enjoying it.
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essentially it takes place in the sixties, but it's an alternate universe where the

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Nazis won the war, and you
know, so Japan basically controls the west

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coast of the US and the Germans
control the east coast of the US,

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and there's kind of a neutral zone
in the middle. And anyway, so

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people are I'm not going to spoil
any of the rest of it for you.

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There are a few things that are
a little bit fantastic about it,

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I guess are the best way to
put it. Where you know, there

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are things that you know are unexplainable
but are semi magical. I mean,

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people don't have superpowers or anything,
but you know there's a phenomenon in there

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that you know wouldn't occur without you
know, some kind of supernatural help.

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So and it's really just one thing, but it's kind of central to the

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entire story. So anyway, go
check it out. Really really dig in

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this show, and it's interesting to
think about, Okay, what if right?

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So anyway, check those out.
I don't have any other picks,

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So I'm just going to sign off, but thanks for listening, and in

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the meantime, Max out