WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.439 --> 00:00:08.000 This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera and Jakinszlis on Fox Sports fourteen 2 00:00:08.080 --> 00:00:13.439 fifteen powered by Nova Insurance Services. Hey, sure, your most prized possessions, 3 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:19.160 katz R two SAD and iHeart Radio Station. Hey, welcome to I'm 4 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:23.519 the Ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifty I'm Steve Rivera. You're jakin's as 5 00:00:23.519 --> 00:00:27.000 Good afternoon, everybody. I'm here, man, you're here. It's been 6 00:00:27.039 --> 00:00:29.960 a long day already. You know, it's it's only Tuesday, man, 7 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.479 and I feel like we're Thursday and I haven't gotten, you know, anything 8 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:38.840 done. We're getting grumpy here, we can already. That's what I told 9 00:00:38.840 --> 00:00:41.920 you last week last year, is we get older to get grumpy. So 10 00:00:41.920 --> 00:00:44.840 only two were complaining about that. I was She's the B word. Yeah, 11 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:48.439 that was the That was the subject of one of our podcast segments of 12 00:00:48.439 --> 00:00:51.479 a few days ago. You want to go back and look at our our 13 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:56.520 talk about when you get old, you just get grumpy and and is that 14 00:00:56.960 --> 00:00:59.079 just a part of this part of it? Yeah? I think it is. 15 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:02.079 Sometimes be a lot of callers who are older. They should let us 16 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:06.719 know. I think they're grumpy too. Yeah, I agree. Hey, 17 00:01:06.879 --> 00:01:11.400 welcome to Tuesday, closer to next week in the in the kickoff. Oh 18 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:15.040 right, Yeah, there's a lot of football talk on the air man. 19 00:01:15.200 --> 00:01:19.319 Just you're talking talking about games, talking MC games. You're pretty excited. 20 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:22.840 I know that for a fact. Your Dodgers are are doing well. They 21 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:26.519 keep winning. I think they've lost two games in the month of August. 22 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:30.840 They're like seventeen and two or something like that. They're on the roading, 23 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:34.640 you know exactly how No, I think, well, I think I think. 24 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:37.719 I'm pretty sure it is. I haven't looked today. I don't remember, 25 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:40.280 you know, because I lose track games like that. But I can 26 00:01:40.319 --> 00:01:44.200 tell you in about two seconds. They Yes, they're seventeen and two. 27 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:48.519 They lost they lost one to San Diego back in the first week of the 28 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:51.840 month, and then they lost last week a game to Miami, and that's 29 00:01:51.840 --> 00:01:53.680 all they've lost. Man, And so they're running away with their division. 30 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:57.719 Yeah, as usual. I still think that they're gonna have a tough time 31 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.359 beating the Braves in the play. Yeah. The Bradders lost one surprising yesterday 32 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:04.680 to the Myths. Yeah. How do I know, Well, I just 33 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:14.400 know I think we know why, you know exactly exactly. Yeah, but 34 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:17.199 the Dodgers are on the road. They're in Cleveland for three and then Boston 35 00:02:17.280 --> 00:02:21.000 for three, so we'll see how that goes. And then they get back 36 00:02:21.039 --> 00:02:25.360 into LA. They've got a three game set with the Diamondbacks and then a 37 00:02:25.479 --> 00:02:30.639 good I don't know if you call it important, but certainly something that'll house. 38 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:34.520 They've got a four game series with the Braves in Dodger Stadium. Let's 39 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:37.680 getting to the nitty gritty time too. It is for there's stocking for position. 40 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:40.400 I've been looking at the schedule. I don't like this schedule where everybody 41 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:43.759 plays everybody, both in the American League in the National League. I'm looking 42 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:46.759 at the Dodgers schedule, and and mind I'm talking about the Dodgers as a 43 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:53.120 contender right a team that's in the hut there they're September schedule. The Marlins 44 00:02:53.159 --> 00:03:00.280 are on it, the Nationals are on it, the Mariners, the Tigers. 45 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:06.319 They're playing all these teams that they shouldn't be playing in a in a 46 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:09.000 pennant race, you know, in the home stretch, because you should be 47 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:12.520 playing the teams that are in your division. And that's how it used to 48 00:03:12.560 --> 00:03:15.080 be. If you want to play those teams, fine, but go play 49 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:16.800 those teams earlier in the year. When you get down to the home stretch, 50 00:03:17.319 --> 00:03:21.000 it should be all the teams in the same divisions playing each other, 51 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:25.360 because that's how you keep a pendant race exciting by knowing that. Look, 52 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:30.599 if the Padres are three games back to the Dodgers and they've got six games 53 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:34.319 in September with the Dodgers, you know that's what you want. But you 54 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:38.960 know, the Marlins, the Nationals, the Mariners, and the Tigers should 55 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:43.639 not be on the Dodgers schedule their National League West schedule in the month of 56 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.000 September. You know, yeah, they got you know, they got the 57 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:52.439 Giants, the Rockies, you know, San Diego. But they've got more 58 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:55.759 games against teams not in the division than in their division in September. That 59 00:03:57.120 --> 00:04:00.520 I don't I don't like. I don't like Making League Baseball doing that at 60 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:04.639 all. Send the letter you got the Nacho's change gonna be this? Well, 61 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:08.439 that was Dave Higgy because he's our for him, he listens to it. 62 00:04:08.840 --> 00:04:11.759 I'm waiting for some quotes from Dave. He listen, Come on, 63 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:14.080 Dave. He was a little busy for a while. He was, and 64 00:04:14.080 --> 00:04:15.040 that's why I gave Hi leave. I saw him, you know, SU 65 00:04:15.079 --> 00:04:18.639 saw that Saturday at the scrimmage and he was out there. Yeah, chicken 66 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:23.120 hands because his babies. I told your publisher said, where's the where's the 67 00:04:23.120 --> 00:04:26.079 Tommy Lloyds? Right? He said, well, he's trying to get some 68 00:04:26.160 --> 00:04:29.519 quotes from Hikey. He's been a little busy. He hasn't a little busy. 69 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:30.560 Changing He says, yeah, I know, I know, I gotta 70 00:04:30.600 --> 00:04:32.759 get it. I said, yeah, you read it out of time, 71 00:04:32.839 --> 00:04:35.800 Yeah, right at that time. Okay, so the publisher has that makes 72 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:39.720 more sense, Yeah, makes more sense. So someone else. Uh, 73 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:44.199 we have a lot of stuff going on with little tidbit stuff right, yet, 74 00:04:44.199 --> 00:04:46.319 a lot of stuff. It's gonna bean. I've got like a whole 75 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:48.199 lineup of breaking music. Some of it we can talk about now if you're 76 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:51.199 watching, like there, there's not in it. There hasn't been an official 77 00:04:51.199 --> 00:04:55.040 announcement, but I don't know if you've seen this the basketball, the basketball, 78 00:04:55.079 --> 00:04:57.079 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw it. A very interesting thing 79 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:01.279 that Arizona is apparently lying down up to play in the twenty twenty fourth Battle 80 00:05:01.279 --> 00:05:04.319 for Atlanta. So who else is there? Well, we've talked about how 81 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:12.000 bad that was the last time Arizona played there. But interestingly, I'll go 82 00:05:12.079 --> 00:05:15.800 through the list. Indiana should be fun, Louisville should be fun. Craighton 83 00:05:16.240 --> 00:05:23.600 should be Oklahoma should be fun. Yeah, Davidson, Okay, Davison's always 84 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:28.480 Then West Virginia, which you could see them play her Crease it could be 85 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:32.160 there if he's there for twenty years there. And then Gonzega, Gonzega, 86 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:38.079 you know, you know that they're gonna set up a matchup for those two 87 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:41.839 guys to play each other. We've been waiting, baby, We've been waiting 88 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:46.199 somehow, maybe not in the first round, right, but to kind of 89 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:48.879 set it up in a way that they're likely to see each other maybe in 90 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:51.680 the you know, in the second game next year. Right, that's twenty 91 00:05:51.759 --> 00:05:55.800 twenty fourth, I would be in November of twenty twenty four, which is 92 00:05:55.800 --> 00:06:00.800 interesting because Arizona will be in the Big in the Big twelve West Virginia. 93 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:05.360 This is somewhere somewhere up above. I'm gonna say that Lute is smiling and 94 00:06:05.519 --> 00:06:09.360 saying, God, look at this. They're doing what I used to do 95 00:06:09.759 --> 00:06:15.639 with great preseason member then its and the Hawaii where they played the best teams 96 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:18.199 and then they do well, Hey, hey, there's no better team in 97 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:25.079 November than Arizona. There's no Mulligan in the field that maybe maybe Davidson, 98 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:28.639 yeah maybe, and they've always been good. But you look at the Arizona, 99 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:31.639 Gonzaga, Indiana, Louisville crighton West Virginia, Oklahoma, David and I 100 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:38.079 don't know that any tournament's gonna be. And then you jump into some other 101 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:43.560 non conference right because Duke comes here Alabama? Do they give their second Alabama 102 00:06:43.600 --> 00:06:46.079 game this year? Okay? So they have a couple of other ones. 103 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:49.600 Michigan State's just neutral one time. I don't because they played in California. 104 00:06:49.720 --> 00:06:53.560 And then they go into the pack the Big twelve, which is gonna be 105 00:06:53.560 --> 00:06:58.800 fantastic. There's a guy that in the breakfast club that I work with. 106 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:02.120 He's from Kansas, huge Kansas. Yeah, came up today to meet came 107 00:07:02.199 --> 00:07:04.519 up to me to day and said, we're gonna be playing. Did you 108 00:07:04.560 --> 00:07:08.399 tell him Sleem's gonna be playing He's coming back just for that game. No. 109 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:12.800 I laid off of that because I hate to get Slee Pross. I 110 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:15.560 hated with that guy did here. I know what he did. Hear, 111 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:18.000 but just that he wasted his Yeah, he should have been. He could 112 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:20.120 have been. He should have been somebody. Yeah, no question, no 113 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:24.720 question. So hey, we have a kind of a basketball related day to 114 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:29.680 day a little bit. Craig McMillan. Uh, you all know him from 115 00:07:29.680 --> 00:07:34.759 the first Final four team. He's also here for the lude Olsen Fantasy basketball 116 00:07:34.800 --> 00:07:40.199 camp that you and Mike Vader are doing over at Sporty Chances he'll be coming 117 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:43.079 in this week and uh, you know, just pick his brain, talk 118 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:44.920 to him about, you know, stuff going on with him. He's a 119 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:48.040 coach at Santa Rosa, Santa Rosa College in Northern count doing it forever, 120 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:51.600 been doing it forever. Yeah, I'm in a way he's stuck around asking 121 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:55.399 that's a good question. I never asked him that. But he's comfortable. 122 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:58.519 He's comfortable. He's got a great life. He's he's the most chilled dude 123 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:01.680 and a low key kind of chill forever. Just loves his Life's a good 124 00:08:01.720 --> 00:08:05.560 fisherman. Uh if you saw you read some of the book. Right, 125 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:09.480 So he's only invited Loot and the guys to go fishing, right, And 126 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:13.120 we'll ask him about stuff like that, you know. Uh, funny stories 127 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:16.160 about them fishing and then and the second hour. I'm looking forward to this 128 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:24.000 U. But we have Uster, the dad of Raymond, very proud dad, 129 00:08:24.160 --> 00:08:26.360 right, the kid who committed to Alabama change his mind, decided to 130 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:30.160 go to Arizona. Yea, y are from southern California, right, right, 131 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:33.159 So it's not like he was a Tucson guy came back. I mean 132 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:35.000 he he has. He could have gone to Alabama, sure, decided not 133 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:39.840 to. He's here, he's he's looking like he's got a real good chance 134 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:46.120 to start ye big again. We you know, we remember when we had 135 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:48.559 Roy Lopez and we had his dad. Exactly what kind of like kind of 136 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:52.799 like, what's this like? Is it exactly get to have your kid go 137 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.720 through this? Right? And he's a coach. He was here over the 138 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:58.960 weekend to see his son playing the scrimmage. I'm very proud of his dad, 139 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.559 his son, and he drove back in the storm. We'll talk all 140 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:05.159 about that. You know, guy who's kind of be gonna be here a 141 00:09:05.159 --> 00:09:07.960 long, right, he's gonna he's not gonna miss a game here. We 142 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:11.519 talked to Chester Burnett like this two members, right, I'm sure he's not 143 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:13.799 gonna miss a game here. It'll be interesting to see how many games he 144 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:18.759 goes on the road. Certainly the USC game, probably go up to Stanford 145 00:09:18.799 --> 00:09:22.120 for sure. Uh see if you know, he'll maybe go to Washington State. 146 00:09:22.679 --> 00:09:26.159 Uh and uh, of course I'm sure he'll go. He'll be at 147 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:28.799 the a SU game. But a dad very again as you said, very 148 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:31.799 proud of his son. Uh the day he's like he has a football coach, 149 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:33.919 so uh, you know, near and dared to his heart that he's 150 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:37.600 kid is about to embark on a college football career here. Yeah, I 151 00:09:37.639 --> 00:09:41.039 mean so, so it'll be fun talking about that and just maybe what his 152 00:09:41.080 --> 00:09:45.759 son's was thinking when he came to play here, you know, and him 153 00:09:45.799 --> 00:09:48.799 being a former coach, you know he gets I mean, you know he 154 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:52.360 gets talked to their dads. Right, you're an athlete, you talk to 155 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:56.799 your dad. It'll be interested to hear what what what Robert will share with 156 00:09:56.879 --> 00:10:00.840 us in terms of what his son has seen sure at the u of A 157 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.759 in this time that he's been there, just kind of kind of where things 158 00:10:03.799 --> 00:10:07.000 stand for him. So that should be fun, fun conversation. I hope 159 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:09.720 you'll stick around for that. Yeah, of course, we'll take your calls. 160 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:13.399 Five two O five two o four one six seven four forty. I'm 161 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:16.159 trying to figure out what the heck the pill been our number three years. 162 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:20.159 It's kind of it's right there up on the wall. We're gonna be three 163 00:10:20.240 --> 00:10:24.440 years next week. Yeah, in September, we'll see one second it's the 164 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:31.279 twenty second second. Yeah, but now you know and oh we also follow 165 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:35.240 up on that. You know, always if you're listening now, you don't 166 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:37.679 need to listen today's podcast. But if you miss the show, you can 167 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:43.519 always go to the podcast. We're on the iHeart website. Also, we 168 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:48.200 try and get it posted every night on our Twitter and pretty popular and uh 169 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:52.960 Facebook feed. So yeah, a lot of listeners to the podcast. We'll 170 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:56.159 get thousands of listeners to the podcasts. 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It's 177 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:18.559 uh, you know, Steve, you know it's funny because when every day 178 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:22.720 I posted, I see, like the previous podcast, the stuff that we 179 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:26.559 talk about, yea, the things that we talk about, you and we 180 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:28.279 talk about We've talked about this before, you know. We talk about stuff 181 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:33.720 that just average guys are talking about right now, locals, right locals. 182 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:37.279 You know, we don't sit there and prepare you know, weekly, no 183 00:11:37.639 --> 00:11:43.240 gigs, kits and stuff like that. We're talking about what what's the conversation 184 00:11:43.320 --> 00:11:45.840 today? That would take to its work? It would take a lot of 185 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:48.399 It would take a lot of work plus plus. You know, I think 186 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:50.120 we have knowledge, Steve. I think we had to give ourselves some credit 187 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:54.399 for having some knowledge. We just don't have some names that were we forget 188 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:58.440 the names. But that's just a small flaw what we do and the way 189 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.600 we go about business. But I think, uh, I've been wanting to 190 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.600 say this for a long time. And we're just here to have a conversation. 191 00:12:05.840 --> 00:12:09.440 You know, that's what radio shows like ours should. You have conversations. 192 00:12:09.440 --> 00:12:13.440 We're not here to report the news, you know, I mean, 193 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:16.159 we do breaking news, but it's to create another conversation. So we're here 194 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:18.960 here, We're here for conversations. We want to have conversations with you. 195 00:12:18.960 --> 00:12:22.799 If you want to give us a call five two zero four one six seventy 196 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.159 four forty. If you want to reach out to us on on x now 197 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:28.559 informally known as Twitter, if you want to reach out to us on Facebook, 198 00:12:28.799 --> 00:12:31.960 you know, we'll respond to you. Well, well, you know, 199 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:33.159 if you if you text, if you have to have our cell phone 200 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:37.759 numbers, if you text us or email us during the show, we'll run 201 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:41.080 with that stuff. Just uh, just here to chat. And that's uh 202 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:43.480 that that's kind of how we get our listeners and people. I think people 203 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:48.320 like respond to that and they like that. So and you're texting with somebody 204 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:52.919 right now exact So, yeah, it's one of our buddies getting grumpy. 205 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:58.720 You hit that mark years ago. Wow, Yeah, he's one of our 206 00:12:58.759 --> 00:13:01.720 buddies. I'll tell you. I think you do have to take that as 207 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:05.039 do I yea, it is what it is. I had to have I 208 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:07.720 had to have a chat with my family because they said that you will always 209 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.399 sound mad. So yeah, they used the word aggressive. I'm like, 210 00:13:11.679 --> 00:13:15.480 I'm not trying to be aggressive. I'm you know I'm talking to Maybe I 211 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:20.519 talk loud and aggressive, but I'm not just me. That's because ricks like 212 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:26.720 that. Gene is not so much like Gen a little less and wait less. 213 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:31.200 Wait you have to wake up as a dude. Yeah, well, 214 00:13:31.240 --> 00:13:33.320 you know what he's as a cop. He saw a lot of stuff, 215 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:37.919 so it's hard to rattle. He's probably more Columbo than he was anything else. 216 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:41.200 It's hard to make him think that, uh something is a really bad 217 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:46.879 situation. Situation. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, no one's dying on 218 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:48.720 this show. There was some stuff. I try to grab it. I 219 00:13:48.759 --> 00:13:54.759 try to grab it up with some Facebook some some big game boomer stuff. 220 00:13:54.440 --> 00:13:58.799 I don't know if you saw. Did you see some stuff? I've been 221 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:01.600 going through it the stuff like all day, but I haven't haven't seen anything 222 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:07.399 in particular just to college basketball program tiers over the last past decade, past 223 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:13.639 decade. Yeah, of what I keep seeing our lists of wins by college 224 00:14:13.679 --> 00:14:18.559 basketball programs, and Arizona at the top of those. I mean, I 225 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:20.320 guess they of course they haven't gotten to final fours and stuff, but they 226 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:24.120 wont a hell of a lot of games. Yeah they did, no question, 227 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:26.559 Sean, Sean did that his schedule was kind of weak, but you 228 00:14:26.559 --> 00:14:30.080 know, he won a lot of games until until he end, but he 229 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:31.759 won a lot of games in the Pac twelve two. Yeah he was, 230 00:14:31.840 --> 00:14:35.080 he was, Yeah, he was okay, he was okay. Well, 231 00:14:35.159 --> 00:14:37.720 the last couple of years not so much. I know, he was syd 232 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:41.600 losing streaks unheard of, look, and they were really well. And that's 233 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:43.960 there's a reason why he's not the head coaching because it was stuff like that 234 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:46.759 going on. Right, So I don't know, all right, so let's 235 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:50.360 let's take our break where and come back. It's gonna be Craig McMillan, 236 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:54.919 form Arizona Wildcat now junior college coach in Southern California, Northern California. They'll 237 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:58.679 be here for the Fantasy basketball camp this weekend, so we'll just talk. 238 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:13.120 I can see what's up with that. Stick around. 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Here a 316 00:20:53.839 --> 00:21:00.400 Fox sportsporteen Cutty on Steve Rivera's jackinsas now on the pol we have Ci filling 317 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:03.480 you, a who star from back in the day. Craig, how are 318 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.839 you? And they're good? How you doing? We're doing fun? You're 319 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:11.039 making another trip to Tucson. Huh yeah, looking forward to right. Yeah, 320 00:21:11.160 --> 00:21:12.759 you have a full lot of fun in the lud Olson camp, you 321 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:18.960 and the guys, Joe Turner and and all the rest, Eddie and yeah 322 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:22.079 everybody. So sorry, Craig, you're gonna come down and run these guys 323 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:26.759 like you run your basketball team or you know, we don't want you going 324 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:30.279 easy on these guys, especially if I'm not in there. They're dealing with 325 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:33.160 a lot of ice bags and day two, we don't want to run them 326 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:36.119 too hard. Yeah that's true. I mean, Craig, Craig has been 327 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:37.480 here for a while. So the first day, a couple of years back, 328 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:41.519 tell maybe three or four years to go back, Reggie was kind of 329 00:21:41.599 --> 00:21:45.599 running the show and oh man, it wasn't pretty. This is what we 330 00:21:45.720 --> 00:21:48.599 paid to do. What they were they were crushing it. But it's a 331 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:51.039 lot of fun, right, Craig, Yeah, it's a lot of fun. 332 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:52.200 If you ever read, you put him through this, Kaliston actually not 333 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:56.799 gonna be a lot of people back have him. Go easy on him. 334 00:21:56.039 --> 00:22:00.440 They think he thought that you're still twenty years old, twenty five years old. 335 00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:03.119 That's not the case. That's not the case. So how are things 336 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:07.079 going up in Santa Rosa. Everything's good. We're getting reading in the second 337 00:22:07.119 --> 00:22:08.799 week of school. We got tryouts going on for the team. I like 338 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:12.599 our group and I'm excited to get started. Ask him your question, Well, 339 00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:15.519 it's so, Craig, how long have you been there? It's you 340 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:19.240 know, at Santa Rosa. This is my third year, twenty third year? 341 00:22:19.799 --> 00:22:22.640 Is that? I mean, you're just happy there. Have you thought 342 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:29.000 about going to you know, maybe going to a major college the first ten 343 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:32.319 years. It's not crossing my mind of looking to do something else. But 344 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:36.680 I'm close close to retirement and I like what I do. I like where 345 00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:37.799 I live, and I have a lot of good friends up here, and 346 00:22:37.839 --> 00:22:41.079 I don't plan on trying to pursue anything different in my career now. Just 347 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:45.680 being comfortable for you to to to do that job, Yeah, yeah, 348 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:51.559 all right, cool, Yeah, I mean yeah, so so tell us 349 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:56.119 tell us a little bit about just your twenty three years doing doing this job. 350 00:22:56.319 --> 00:23:00.359 What's kind of been the thing that's kept you doing it? I guess 351 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:03.759 it's the way the way to put that. What What are you enjoy about 352 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:07.880 coaching basketball? I like teaching fundamentals. I like uh, I like living 353 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:11.319 in this area, a lot of good friends in this area, like a 354 00:23:11.400 --> 00:23:15.279 coaching staff, and it's just been a comfortable job for me. And enjoy 355 00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:18.160 the competitiveness of it. Yeah, a lot like your dad, right, 356 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.200 Yeah, obviously a coach's son who who did this? Did you kind of 357 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:26.119 think that you're going to end up doing this when you were, you know, 358 00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:30.000 twenty five years younger, You know, I'd initially planned on trying to 359 00:23:30.039 --> 00:23:34.240 stay at the major college level. After a while that and seeing the lifestyle 360 00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:37.880 and everything kind of, you know, maybe look into some other options. 361 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:42.519 Yeah, of course. Okay, how much of a how how much are 362 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:47.960 you like or unlike your head bet your your Arizona coach from back in the 363 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:53.119 day. Yeah, you know, I like to say I'm very similar in 364 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:56.920 a lot of ways because I have a lot of respect for how he ran 365 00:23:56.000 --> 00:24:00.440 everything. A lot of things you know we do or you know, based 366 00:24:00.480 --> 00:24:04.519 upon things he did, and we've made changes over twenty three years. I'm 367 00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:08.079 sure if coach Olso we're still coaching, he wouldn't be doing things exact same 368 00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:12.440 as he used to. Everything evolves in the game changes and approach has changed, 369 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:17.559 but the fundamentals are basically the same. And you know, we tried 370 00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:19.960 to stick with the fundamentals. And you know one thing you told me when 371 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:22.759 I got the job here, he said, remember, you get good guys 372 00:24:22.799 --> 00:24:26.279 and they'll find a way to get the job done. You get knuckleheads, 373 00:24:26.319 --> 00:24:29.200 I'll find a way to screw things up. So I've tried to stick by 374 00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:32.480 that, and whenever I've strayed from that has come back to bite me. 375 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:34.920 So I need to wake up call every now and then. That's very true 376 00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:37.240 though. It's very true. I think that's in life too. If you 377 00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:41.240 get some people in business and all that stuff, just as you surround yourself 378 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:45.519 with you know, good people, knuckleheads, you end up with doing knucklehead 379 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:48.119 things yourself a lot of times. Yeah, yeah, so hey, let's 380 00:24:48.119 --> 00:24:53.240 talk about your your your life here in Tucsons. So tell me, had 381 00:24:53.279 --> 00:25:00.160 it not been for Had it not been for Pete and probably Eddie and Steve, 382 00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:06.359 there would have never been a Craig coming here, the first McDonald's all 383 00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:11.599 American, you know, it was. The whole recruiting process is different back 384 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:14.359 in the day. It was the first year they had early signing, and 385 00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:18.920 I didn't sign it early, and I was intrigued by Arizona and then Coach 386 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:22.359 Olson and the staff and what they were selling me on what they're going to 387 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:25.599 do. But they've been so people don't realize. I mean, you guys 388 00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:29.319 realize that. People don't realize now how bad Arizona was. Oh, we 389 00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:33.440 didn't. And if they hadn't shown some progress that first year, that was 390 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:37.440 a year with Steve and Rock and Pete and Eddie were there, if they 391 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.160 hadn't shown some progress and they weren't very good at the beginning of the year, 392 00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:45.279 and about mid season they got together and started playing really well on the 393 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:48.200 stretch, but they hadn't made that progress and they finished the season last and 394 00:25:48.240 --> 00:25:52.640 the back. Then again, it would have been pretty hard. It's hard 395 00:25:52.680 --> 00:25:56.599 to decide to go there when you think about, you know, what sold 396 00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:59.799 you, what was it? I mean, they're like the number one thing 397 00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:02.279 on the list. He said, Okay, because of this, I'm going 398 00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:06.640 to go there. I think it was just the fill for the players, 399 00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:11.039 the campus, the facilities, the I like Tucson, I like the U 400 00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:14.279 of A. And I thought they were going in the right direction. I 401 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:17.839 think they'll show in the book you talked about your dad that he reminded you 402 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:22.319 a little about your dad. Yeah, yeah, yeah, old school approach, 403 00:26:22.400 --> 00:26:26.079 they both, I think. I think Coach Olson and my dad both 404 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:29.599 fans of John Wooden and did a lot of things try to emulate the way 405 00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:33.960 John Wooden ran his program. What were some of your first impressions when you 406 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:34.880 got here, you know, what did you think of the city, What 407 00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:37.799 did you think of the campus? What did you think of that? You 408 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.480 know, people like the desert. Used to go vacation in the desert in 409 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:45.519 California some when I was young, and I like the desert and the winter 410 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:51.680 climate and uh and one other thing that I remember back is really selling me 411 00:26:51.720 --> 00:26:56.720 on I think for my Stern Burns song, they told us how much the 412 00:26:56.839 --> 00:27:00.720 town was into basketball back when Snowdon was coached. We had some pictures and 413 00:27:00.759 --> 00:27:04.759 stuff of sold out crowds and stuff, and they convinced me that they were 414 00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:07.839 going to get get to go on and get the vibrants back in the program 415 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:12.920 and it was going to be a big The fans were going to really support 416 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:17.799 the team, and I was excited about that possibility. And they did and 417 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:19.799 they did, so it came. It came to fruition, no question, 418 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:25.759 no question. So let me ask you, how did the shot change your 419 00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:30.640 life or did it? Nah? You know that shot didn't change my life. 420 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:33.960 Just the fact that the program was getting turned around going in the right 421 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:38.640 direction was an exciting time to be part of the program. So, uh, 422 00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.599 you know, I didn't. I started covering the team your junior year. 423 00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:45.680 That was the year without Steve Kerr. But a lot of people feel 424 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:49.599 and I even remember Billy Packard actually had had, you know, a comment 425 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.920 in that game you had at Georgetown that you guys looked like you were a 426 00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:59.119 Final four type team in the making that eighty six eighty seven year, the 427 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:03.559 year without Kerr. What were some what were some of your thoughts that year? 428 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:06.599 We're just kind of wondering, God, we're just maybe we're not going 429 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:07.640 to quite get there, you guys, you know, I mean, you 430 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:11.759 finished second in the pack in the Pac ten. But you had some tough 431 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:15.319 losses. You know. That was in four years up out of Arizona. 432 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:19.480 I think we overachieved three out of four years. We did not overachieve that 433 00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:23.519 year. We just chemistry wasn't right, wasn't perfect. We lost a lot 434 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:26.799 of close games. I mean, it just seemed like and it wasn't just 435 00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.160 us, and other teams beat us on unbelievable shots. Were just kind of 436 00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:34.680 a we're kind of snake bit that year, and we didn't you know, 437 00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:37.519 we didn't take care of the ball well enough, and there were some other 438 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.319 things and getting Steve back that last year helped a lot of it. And 439 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:45.000 then everyone else be in a year more mature, and I think going through 440 00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:48.079 the losses the previous year and one make sure it didn't happen. So I 441 00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:52.720 think we're a little we worked a little harder. We're probably a little hungrier 442 00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:57.400 than and maybe we had going into the previous year. Was it a hard 443 00:28:57.480 --> 00:29:02.119 year, I mean it was a tough on you guys. Oh yeah, 444 00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:06.480 My junior year was a terrible year. We we barely made the playoffs. 445 00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:10.400 We got beat in the first round again, just like we lost a bunch 446 00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:14.440 of our games. We had a lead and got the hit other shot I 447 00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:17.440 think to put it in overtime, and then got beaten overtime against huts Tap 448 00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:21.400 and it was no. It was not a good year. And we learned 449 00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:25.200 from it and we got better. And you know, everybody has those kinds 450 00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:29.720 of years, and that was my one one out of four years and has 451 00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:32.480 on it. It was a tough year. So so let's talk a little 452 00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:36.440 about Loot. One of the reasons why you're coming butt up as a fisherman 453 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:38.759 as a fisherman, because that was the fun part of the book with you. 454 00:29:40.440 --> 00:29:42.440 He you guys, you would invite them to go to northern cal all 455 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:47.000 the guys, you know, and Loot being Loot, he kind of knew 456 00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:52.079 everything about fish right without knowing about fish, you know, he is he 457 00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:55.079 has done quite a good of fishing, but you know, with his schedule, 458 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:56.240 he didn't get a chance to fish all that off, and but he 459 00:29:56.319 --> 00:30:00.400 likes fishing and had gone on some fish and chips are in there, and 460 00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:03.640 uh, I think I told the joke. I joked one time that you 461 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.680 know, the first year he was up there, we were catching some salmon 462 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.599 and I was driving the boat and He's like, Craig, I think we 463 00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:12.559 should go up here and go around in there inside the where the birds are 464 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:15.559 diving there. I think that's gonna be a better spot. So I've been 465 00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:19.880 fishing here for like forty years and he's gonna tell me where to go on 466 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:25.680 the first tip. You're just coaching you, man, You're still coaching you. 467 00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:30.759 And I'm sure you listen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was 468 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.000 funny. That great photos too, ball the guys hanging out with their coach. 469 00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.319 I do. I guess it's hard for me to picture loot out there, 470 00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:41.319 you know, out there. I never I never realized. And Luke 471 00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.200 came up here the first time. Bergman and Tolver picked him up at the 472 00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.799 airport and they were driving up here and Tom likes, I don't know if 473 00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:52.720 you've heard of the Restroot River Brewing Company in Santa Rosa. They it's like 474 00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:56.559 a microbrewery, and Tom like sepire this. They stopped for lunch there and 475 00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.960 Tom and Bergman had a few beers and Luke was way anxious to get up 476 00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.119 to Alby and try to go fish. And they didn't get up to Alby 477 00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:07.720 and until like six third in the evening, dinnertime and cocktails, and Luke 478 00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:11.079 didn't want to eat, you to want to drink. He wanted to just 479 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:15.200 go out fishing there. So I took him out with like maybe one other 480 00:31:15.240 --> 00:31:18.240 person for an hour before dark, and he caught a salmon that night and 481 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:22.519 he got back in missed dinner. But he's all fired up because most of 482 00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:25.440 the time would just go out very early, right, he would go out. 483 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:27.240 He would go out, and he would not want to come back until 484 00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:32.559 we limited, or he didn't want to come back until until there was no 485 00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:37.480 more daylight, right, little life, right, Yeah, yeah, I 486 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:40.559 mean I see him as the you know, the the wine and cheese guy 487 00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:42.440 at the uh you know, at the at the nice restaurant, not a 488 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.240 guy who's gonna you know, dig in and you know, be out there 489 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:48.559 on the you know, on the lake for hours and hours. He's a 490 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:53.240 hardcore fisherman, interest a lot of fun. Alber didn't like that, Becaustober 491 00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:57.480 was fighting off sea sickness the whole time, or he was hung over. 492 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:02.319 Probably know a lot of fun, a lot of great memories. So when 493 00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:06.400 you when you look back, what do you think, Just what a great 494 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:10.200 life you guys had, uh, with your coach. Oh yeah, you 495 00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:14.319 know, it was just not just the coach, it was the whole, 496 00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:17.119 all the teammates who had a special group of guys as That's why we still 497 00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:21.960 enjoy getting together for unions and stuff like this. It's whole, the whole. 498 00:32:22.960 --> 00:32:25.680 This camp we're doing this weekend, it's about and everybody. And you 499 00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:29.240 know, all the guys to go to the camp are kind of like members 500 00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:31.119 of our group. Now they've become the same guy's been coming back several years. 501 00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:36.799 We all keep in touch outside of the camp too, and uh look 502 00:32:36.839 --> 00:32:38.519 forward to to hanging out and having a good time. Well, you know, 503 00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:40.640 a little bit ago, when we were talking about you know, your 504 00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:44.559 your long, your long career at Santa Rosa, you mentioned that you just 505 00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.279 didn't like the idea of that lifestyle. But then you see Ker, you 506 00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:52.000 see Frazier, you see even Luke Walton, you know some of these guys 507 00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:54.640 from Arizona who who've been in that, and you go, you're just shake 508 00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:58.640 your head and go, man, I am really glad. You know I 509 00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:00.319 did what I did that was perfect for me, even you know, to 510 00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:05.039 each his own. Well, you're mentioning the guys in the NBA. I 511 00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:07.519 never had and I didn't play in the NBA, and I don't have much 512 00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:12.480 experience in the NBA and the games different approaches in versity. I never really 513 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:17.720 had a strong desire to try to pursue coaching or doing anything in the NBA. 514 00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:21.000 I don't think I had the background. It would have taken a lot 515 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.400 of work. I was more into the college game. But you don't see 516 00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:30.599 those guys coaching major college basketball either. They change realizes that you know, 517 00:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.680 he's got a busy schedule, but it's nothing like Tommy Lloyds with all the 518 00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.000 recruiting and fundraising and all the stuff he has to do. Well, he's 519 00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:40.200 Tommy's one of the guys that you'll see this weekend probably. What what do 520 00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:46.160 you think about the job he's done? Phenomenal? Phenomenal? How could you 521 00:33:46.200 --> 00:33:51.720 do much better than he's done? Right? What's been the two years? 522 00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:53.920 Had two great teams? Right, So let me ask you, because he's 523 00:33:54.119 --> 00:34:00.519 done fantastically well, sixty some wins and five losses or whatever the t and 524 00:34:00.559 --> 00:34:04.079 you still have people here kind of complaining about, yeah, well you did 525 00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:07.519 this and you did that. Well that goes and people that's goes to a 526 00:34:07.639 --> 00:34:12.000 ter when you've had a program that's been as successful as Arizona had, that 527 00:34:12.360 --> 00:34:16.920 goes with the territory. But you know, you're trying to compete against all 528 00:34:16.960 --> 00:34:21.039 the teams that we've had over all those years and stuff like that, trying. 529 00:34:21.079 --> 00:34:24.039 Most people in Arizona realize it's just a small percentage to get all the 530 00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:29.159 noise for complaining about things. Most people realize, what a good job he's 531 00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:31.599 done. Well, do you have to deal with that up there or no? 532 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:37.119 Well, you know it's a guy, a really good coach. It 533 00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:38.840 coach a long time out of the league. Steve coaching media was the name 534 00:34:38.880 --> 00:34:45.000 coach at the Apple Valley College. He said. The bad thing about you 535 00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:49.679 know, junior college basketball is not that many people care, he said. 536 00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:55.039 But the good thing is not that many people care. Ride in your wheelhouse, 537 00:34:55.079 --> 00:35:01.199 baby, that's true. Well, we'll see. We have a group 538 00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:06.159 of people a good following here and they're very supportive and kind of unique Virgunia 539 00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:08.320 College situation. Yeah, sure, of course, of course, Craig will 540 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:12.239 see you here in a couple of days. Okay, we'll get talking to 541 00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:17.239 Thanks, appreciate it. Thanks one of the good dudes. Yeah, still 542 00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:21.079 kind of just chill, right, but you know a little more talkative than 543 00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:22.760 he used to be. I mean I did like a you know, his 544 00:35:22.840 --> 00:35:25.719 senior year that that eighty eight year when when we went up to the Bay 545 00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:30.360 Area and I went over to his hometown and interview some people there and stuff. 546 00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:32.199 Then I got him. I got to sit him down at the at 547 00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:37.639 the hotel and we probably talked for two hours and I probably did eight five 548 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:39.440 percent of the talking. Yeah, you know, you're you're it's like you're 549 00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:43.039 pulling quotes out of sure, you know. But he was a you know, 550 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.880 good kid. Loved him, loved work, you know, you know, 551 00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:49.000 working with him. He was just a guy who came and did the 552 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.599 work and you know, and loved being doing what he was doing. Yeah, 553 00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:54.360 the one thing that these guys we'll take a break, but one thing 554 00:35:54.400 --> 00:35:57.519 they enjoyed so much. Just you know, as you get older, and 555 00:35:57.559 --> 00:36:00.719 I'm sure you deal with your kids, they get older and they appreciate you 556 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:06.239 more as you get older and or not. But but it's not a coach. 557 00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:09.199 It's not a coach student anymore. It's it's kind of like you're one 558 00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:13.199 of the families. Right after it's all said and downe right after it's all 559 00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:15.639 said done. And that's why these guys hang around. They are yeah you 560 00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:17.440 big old family like that. They love brought it back together with each other. 561 00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:21.679 Yea, all right? That great, Thanks Dan, Thanks again to 562 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:23.800 Craig mcville. 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Come be a part 612 00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:16.480 of a winning team the A Team Apply online today at a team security dot 613 00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:23.719 net streaming live. I mean iHeart radio, Aham. This is I on 614 00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:30.280 the Ball with Steve Ribera and Jay Gonzalez on Fox Sports fourteen fifth days. 615 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.400 He welcome back too, on the ball here on Fox Sports fourteen fifteen. 616 00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:37.559 I'm Steve, You're Jay Because you didn't know for twelve minutes. There's what 617 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:40.760 a call. Yeah, I went a little long pick. You know, 618 00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:45.119 I brought up that that eighty six eighty seventh season because I know we remember 619 00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:50.239 Craig McMillan from the eighty eight you know, the final four year him, 620 00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:54.039 Kerr, Elliott, Anthony Cook call those guys a Joe Turner, everybody. 621 00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:58.880 They had a tough year in eighty seven. And you know, and I 622 00:40:58.920 --> 00:41:00.840 had a chance he had first hand. You know, that was my first 623 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.599 year as a beat reporter. They lost a bunch of games that they had 624 00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:10.519 big leads in the second half and blue games right including as he said, 625 00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:14.800 the you know, it was the last year that you could be in the 626 00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:19.480 tournament and host a first and second round, and they were hosting and and 627 00:41:19.599 --> 00:41:22.800 uh. And you know, they had like a I think a fourteen point 628 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:27.800 lead in the second half against Utah, blew the lead. Tim Hardaway HiT's 629 00:41:27.840 --> 00:41:31.199 a three pointer. Uh, I actually hit a two pointer. It looked 630 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:37.000 like a three. Uh. There wasn't instant replay, but they called time 631 00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:39.800 out, talked about it among the refs, and and uh called it a 632 00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:45.159 two and uh and then the instant replay showed that he did in fact step 633 00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:47.360 on the line, game goes into overtime and then they lose. Anyways, 634 00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:52.320 and it was a tough year for them. But I think in a lot 635 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:55.159 of ways, as you know, as Craig thinks, I think said I 636 00:41:55.239 --> 00:41:59.239 had to set them up for the next year because they did not want to 637 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.280 experience any of that again without questions. I mean with Steve bean Out, 638 00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:07.000 who the butterfly leader, right, he was the like the the stone or 639 00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:09.559 what do you call it, the cornerstone of the team, and they didn't 640 00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:13.920 want to disappoint Steve. Imagine how things would have checked, How would have 641 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:16.039 been different, Everything would have been different. Everything it wouldn't have been because 642 00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:20.159 that wasn't a final four team with Steve Kerr because his because his knee. 643 00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:23.440 But even if hers on that team, right, and they're not going to 644 00:42:23.480 --> 00:42:27.719 the final four. Seanny Elliott was a sophomore, you know, Kenny Lofton 645 00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:31.519 was a sophomore, Anthony Cooke was a sophomore. They were still pretty young 646 00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:36.199 and and you know, and if Kur had Kerr had played that year, 647 00:42:36.599 --> 00:42:37.360 yeah, they might have gone to the you know, they would have gone 648 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.360 to the NCUBAA tournament, might have even won a few games, but I'm 649 00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:43.800 not sure that that team would have been as good as they were. So 650 00:42:43.920 --> 00:42:46.159 that was your first year covering the team, right as a helper? Right, 651 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:49.760 No, I was the bright Okay, So I have some questions for 652 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:54.199 you those and then you didn't you years the next year to eighty six, 653 00:42:54.280 --> 00:42:57.400 eighty seven, eighty seven, eighty eight. Oh, you were the main 654 00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.360 guy in eighty seven eighty Oh, I didn't know that. I thought Downs 655 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:02.440 was or snow Mike Downs came after me. Okay, so let me ask 656 00:43:02.559 --> 00:43:07.800 questions. So you how old were you? Thy six? So uh twenty 657 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:13.559 seven? Really young? How was it and how and how was it? 658 00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.360 And what were your impressions of Luke before you took the job? I was 659 00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:20.559 intimidating something. Yeah, of course, I'm not gonna say that I was 660 00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:22.840 overly intimidated by him. Look, I you know, I had covered news 661 00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:25.079 and I had seen a lot of crap too that I was sure my brothers 662 00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:30.440 right. But you know he was already a big deal. Yeah, no 663 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:37.199 doubt, he was already a big deal. Uh. And and this is 664 00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.960 actually a really funny story. When I when I actually introduced myself to him, 665 00:43:40.960 --> 00:43:45.320 I met him. Uh, we were on a football road trip is 666 00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:50.400 Arizona plane at UCLA that year and we were tailgate and you know, you 667 00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:54.239 tailgate on that golf course, and we were parting around and well, my 668 00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:59.000 wife and I my soon my eventual wife and I. She was on the 669 00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.599 trip with me. We were we were playing around and I don't remember what 670 00:44:01.679 --> 00:44:06.360 we were doing. We ended up wrestling on the grass, okay, and 671 00:44:06.559 --> 00:44:07.519 we're kind of and I rolled, I got in a roll away and I 672 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:12.119 look up and there's Luke looking down at me. He's standing right there, 673 00:44:12.159 --> 00:44:15.039 like, okay, these two people are wrestling on the ground. What the 674 00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:17.280 hell is going on? And I look up and I say, I coach 675 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:21.599 Tom Jay Gonzalez, I'm gonna be covering you guys this year for the Star. 676 00:44:22.239 --> 00:44:25.960 That was my introduction to Luke. But he was, you know, 677 00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:31.840 he was very easy going with me. He knew I was a rookie. 678 00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:37.480 Uh And I told you one of the things that I did was that I 679 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:42.800 kind of followed Bomb Moran's lead, and so I wore a coat and tidy 680 00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:45.440 gate okay, okay. And he would always stop me and ask me where 681 00:44:45.480 --> 00:44:52.320 I got that jacket or like I think he appreciated because I think he felt 682 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:57.960 like I was helping represent his team, so he was always commenting on on 683 00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.280 on stuff like that. So he was very easy. So did you want 684 00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:05.719 off the beat after two years? I went and off the beat after that 685 00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:09.599 final four year for two reasons. One was I was exhausted. Yes, 686 00:45:09.880 --> 00:45:12.880 you know the amount of work it took to cover the eight years, you 687 00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:15.760 don't get off. You know, there's no right I had. I had, 688 00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:20.679 I had. I had Christmas Day off and one other day from back 689 00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:24.079 then. Practice started October fifteenth. So from the day practice started until I 690 00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:28.639 was flying home from Kansas City from the final four, I had two days 691 00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:30.960 off. You're you're preaching to the choir, right. One of those one 692 00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:34.840 of those Christmas Day I had to fly, you know I had to fly. 693 00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:37.360 They had a January second game at New Mexico. I did you know? 694 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:42.320 I went, You know, I had those eighty eight Yeah, and 695 00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:45.440 and right after they became number one in the right, they become number one. 696 00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:50.800 They were undefeated. And you know, I flew home on Christmas Eve 697 00:45:51.320 --> 00:45:54.159 from Washington State. I mean all that stuff on the way home from Kansas 698 00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:59.320 City. Two things were happening when the Cardinals were moving, We're coming to 699 00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:04.239 town. And the Star had already decided that Jack McGruder, who was the 700 00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:07.480 football writer, was going to go up to Phoenix and cover all the Phoenix 701 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.320 sports, so the football beat had opened. I said, I want to 702 00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:14.199 do football. So that's why, Yeah, I wanted to football. I 703 00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:16.679 mean, I was exhausted and I really didn't like all the travel, but 704 00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:20.320 I wanted to cover football. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. The 705 00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:23.400 reason that's the question because I was if you're twenty seven, you're you're talking 706 00:46:23.440 --> 00:46:27.119 to loot, You're kind of intimidated. You know what, you have to 707 00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:30.239 stand your ground, right, And I'm sure you had a lot of fun, 708 00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:32.039 but it was slow to work. It was it was a blast, 709 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:34.960 and you know what, and I got to go to the Final four, 710 00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:37.360 right, It was kind of like, how is it ever going to get 711 00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:42.400 better than that? Now? As the as the as the football beat writer, 712 00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:45.280 I was the backup guy on basketball, So for two more years I 713 00:46:45.320 --> 00:46:49.239 still sort of covered the team. I did all the home games, I 714 00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:52.360 traveled for the NC Double A tournament, I traveled for the Pac ten tournament. 715 00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:58.519 I still did some stuff with basketball, but I didn't want to be 716 00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:00.000 the beat. I wanted. I wanted to football, you know, because 717 00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:06.119 that's ultimately why I became a sportswriter. I wanted to travel. It's a 718 00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:07.719 better schedule. Yeah. And my well, my first year covering football, 719 00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:13.239 I think was your first year eight in the in the the eighty eight season. 720 00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:15.159 It was the eighty eight basketball season, right, yeah, because I 721 00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:19.000 think that's when we first got to know each other. Yeah, eighty eight, 722 00:47:19.320 --> 00:47:21.719 the first year they didn't go to they didn't go anywhere, right, 723 00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:23.119 and then they went to Hawaii, and then they went went to they went 724 00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:28.000 to the Corper Bowl in eighty nine, the first Corper Bowl, and then 725 00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:30.760 I got off the beat after that. And then the worst playoff game they 726 00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:32.400 could ever be, Well, the simp them and the where did they go 727 00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:36.960 to San Diego when they showed up and they didn't show up with s Donna 728 00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:40.599 Kasu and San Diego. Oh that was that was like nineties. No no, 729 00:47:40.599 --> 00:47:43.519 no, but I'm talking about Then we went to Hawaii, they went 730 00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:49.280 to Hawaiian hallt got shut out for the first time in one hundred thousand games, 731 00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:51.960 I mean since the time I had been born. That was that was 732 00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:57.760 a season of ofis no, no, no, The gun tell me the 733 00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:02.199 gun. Oh Melvin Smith. Right, so that was that time of year, 734 00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:06.599 all that stuff. But that that team with George Malula, remember they 735 00:48:06.599 --> 00:48:08.800 got beat that, They got the hell beat out of him twice in a 736 00:48:08.880 --> 00:48:13.079 row by Washington. They came back and beat him in ninety two. You 737 00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:16.719 know it's a good old Gold College. Okay, Hi on the er and 738 00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:22.719 nine in the ball. Yeah, hi guys, old guy John the streamer 739 00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:29.519 who was challenged to uh pick up the Middle East? Uh yeah in Israel 740 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.559 stuff. But it all worked out and it was great, and Bruce Pasco 741 00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:37.519 was great. But I'm calling thank you for the great interview with the great 742 00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:45.079 Craig McMillan. What a humble guy. I mean, why challenge uh what 743 00:48:45.239 --> 00:48:47.960 he could be or what more he could be? He's living a good life. 744 00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:55.719 Yeah yeah, after twenty or more years getting too graduate degrees. Uh 745 00:48:55.960 --> 00:49:02.119 humbly to uh get you. You have a basketball seats when all the old 746 00:49:02.159 --> 00:49:07.079 people wore red sweatshirts. And I wasn't an old person. But uh, 747 00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:10.159 what was the big game I saw? I can't remember where he did the 748 00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:15.559 lay up to win? Yeah, they called that the mcshot where he uh 749 00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:19.039 he got he got a loose ball and laid it in at the buzzer to 750 00:49:19.079 --> 00:49:22.280 be Oregon State, who at that time, Oregon State was the Arizona of 751 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:28.039 the Pac ten Sure the ball landed in his lap. Well, I taught 752 00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:32.159 at Tucson High and I was in the gym when Oregon State was practicing. 753 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:37.960 Uh, in the Tucson High Jim to play U of A. And what 754 00:49:37.079 --> 00:49:45.159 was their coach's name again, Ralph Miller, Ralph Miller Miller. So forgive 755 00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.800 me, forgive me. I'm older than you guys. Your memory fades the 756 00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:53.679 way, but I'll never forget Craig McMillan shot and uh, thanks for your 757 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:57.480 coverage. Well, thanks, we appreciate that. Thank you for the call, 758 00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:00.400 thanks for listening to Yeah, appreciate it. You know, think about 759 00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:02.519 Craig. He was, as he said, he was the first McDonald's All 760 00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:07.719 American. He could have come here and acted like big man on campus. 761 00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:09.840 Ben, you know, I'm the guy he was, and he was never 762 00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:15.159 that guy, even the even the eighty eight season. You know, you 763 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:19.440 know, all of those pieces fit right. They couldn't have done that without 764 00:50:19.480 --> 00:50:21.719 any of them. They couldn't have done it without McMillan, couldn't have done 765 00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:24.760 a cook all those guys. But you know, he was the guy who 766 00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:29.760 had been here for you know, four years, showed up as as as 767 00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:32.280 the guy that kind of as a recruit got everything going. I mean, 768 00:50:32.320 --> 00:50:36.199 if there you know, if there's no Craig McMillan, there's no Sean Miller. 769 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.239 That's that's exactly. He could have been that guy who just said, 770 00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:43.639 look at me, I'm the guy. He was never that. He knew 771 00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:46.039 his role right away. He got either coming off the bench or doing what 772 00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:52.559 he did. Because and it starts with Pete and Eddie and then Steve of 773 00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:55.039 course, and then Sean and then McMillan and all these guys. It was 774 00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:58.880 a perfect scenario for Luke. Yeah, you know, and when you when 775 00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:01.119 you talk about that team, you know, and Steve Kerr he was the 776 00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:06.320 point guard. But he wasn't you know, he wasn't really quick, and 777 00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:08.719 he wasn't all he was a great shooter, but he ran the team. 778 00:51:08.840 --> 00:51:12.840 He was very smart. But a lot of how he ran the team and 779 00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:15.639 how he was able to run the team was because of McMillan, right right, 780 00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:17.239 Well, it's funny I think you remember this, Uh, this is 781 00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:23.719 part of the book with with uh with oh god, uh the other guard, 782 00:51:23.760 --> 00:51:29.039 the other guard from California got the music, my my music guy kept 783 00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:34.159 up Harvey Mason. God, I'm like, I can't believe you couldn't pull 784 00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.800 Harvey Mason. I just pulled Ralph Miller. You couldn't pull Harvey Mason. 785 00:51:37.039 --> 00:51:42.639 I just tell you, Harvey so so so. Harvey is saying. The 786 00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:45.800 one thing that they didn't want to do when they played this disappointed Steve point 787 00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:47.559 Steve, disappointed Steve. You know, they didn't they play hard for loot, 788 00:51:47.559 --> 00:51:51.920 but they didn't want to disappoint Steve. And that was a good reason 789 00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:55.079 for that, because one Steve again, not a guy who was saying I'm 790 00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:58.639 you know, I'm the guy. There's a guy who went out there, 791 00:51:58.920 --> 00:52:04.639 had high expectations for himself, got to those expectations and made sure that everybody 792 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.320 else understood the same exit. How do you get a group of guys and 793 00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:09.639 this is you know, Tolbert's the mule box right the curves, all those 794 00:52:09.880 --> 00:52:13.719 all those dudes who have the kind of same like in mind. I mean, 795 00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.039 can you imagine trying to keep Tom Tolbert kind of no in check, 796 00:52:16.280 --> 00:52:20.559 zeroed in on what you guys are trying to do could do it, you 797 00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:25.320 know, and you know you hear the story about about the the the Elite 798 00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:29.320 eight game against North Carolina and how Luke had to say, what do you 799 00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:31.000 want, Tom, what the hell do you want? You want to go 800 00:52:31.079 --> 00:52:34.920 home? Tom said, I got you, I got you, got the 801 00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:37.119 layup and then he and then he plays, plays his ass off in the 802 00:52:37.119 --> 00:52:39.719 second half, his money beat the hell out of North Carolina and they're in 803 00:52:39.760 --> 00:52:43.440 the Final four. Okay, we gotta go, we gotta go. Oh, 804 00:52:43.519 --> 00:52:45.760 we do gotta go. All right, we're gonna take a break. 805 00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:47.679 We got back. All kinds of breaking news all over there, all over 806 00:52:47.719 --> 00:52:51.320 the place, a lot of a lot of little stuff, nothing huge, 807 00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:52.199 but good stuff. So we'll be right back.