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Welcome back to the Path Went Chile
for part two of our coverage on the

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murder of Ruth Marie Terry, and
now I'm going to be sharing more details

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about the case. It does sound
like Ruth did have a good relationship with

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her family, like they did stay
in touch and she didn't really have any

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issues with them. But I think
she figured, I need to go out

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and explore the world. I cannot
stay here because getting married at thirteen years

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old, no matter what the circumstances, is very creepy. It's super creepy.

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And then what you get divorced a
couple of years later and then decide

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to remarry this person. But it's
like you're not even of the age to

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consent yet, but you're already deciding
you want to get divorced and remarried.

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And it's just like, this is
a child. So to think that she

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went through that at the age of
thirteen to be married to a man.

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And do we know how old the
guy was. I'm actually going to look

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that up because I think they have
his name on find a Grave. So

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yeah, he was born in nineteen
thirty one, so he technically would have

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been nineteen at the time. She
was married, which is creepy. A

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nineteen year old marrying a thirteen year
old, it's super creepy. So Ruth

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got a fresh start in Lavonia,
Michigan. She got a job working at

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an automotive plant, but she wound
up becoming pregnant and giving birth to a

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son. And to this day,
the identity of this child's biological father is

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still a mystery. It just might
have been someone she could have had like

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a brief sexual relationship with before he
took off, But at the time,

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she was still in her early twenties
and she knows she knew she could not

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provide for her son as a single
mother, so she made an arrangement with

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this couple, this married couple that
she was close to. This man,

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Richard Hanschett Senior, was I think
the supervisor at the automotive plant where she

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worked, and Richard's wife was also
an employee there. So they pretty much

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said that we will pay your living
expenses, Ruth will we will give you

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a place to live while you were
pregnant and give birth to the child,

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and in exchange, once you have
this boy, you will give him over

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to us, sign over the custody
and we will legally adopt him. And

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of course this is what happened,
and the boy was raised under the name

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Richard Hanschett Junior. After Richard's adoptive
parents died, he became interested in tracking

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down his birth mother and submitted his
DNA to the website ancestry dot com and

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wound up making a genetic link to
Ruth's nice in twenty eighteen. At that

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point, Ruth had still not been
identified as the Lady of the Dunes,

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but Richard got in touch with ruth
surviving relatives, who said that yet we

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have not seen her since nineteen seventy
four. We have no idea what happened

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to her, which was already a
big shock for Richard, but it became

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an even bigger shock in twenty twenty
two when he was informed that your mother

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is an infamous murder victim who was
once known as the Lady of the Dunes,

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and that she was murdered a short
time after she disappeared. Yeah,

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that's a lot to take in.
I can imagine it's difficult when both of

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your parents have died and they're your
adoptive parents, and you feel this freedom

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to be able to now look into
your lineage, and then to find out

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that your mother is this famous murder
victim. That had to be really heartbreaking,

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because I mean, it's like trauma
on top of trauma. For one,

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she's deceased, you're never going to
be able to meet her. And

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number two, she died in an
extremely violent way, exactly, and Richard

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was also regretful about another thing.
Apparently, Ruth moved to California, and

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sometime during the early nineteen seventy she
decided to reach out and reconnect with her

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son. But Richard had a kind
of a tumultuous teenage years, and he

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actually suffered a drug overdose sometime during
the seventies and was in a coma for

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eighteen days when Ruth tried to reach
out and speak to him. Thankfully,

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Richard made a full recovery and found
out that his mother was looking for him,

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But because he was trying to get
himself clean and deal with some other

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problems, he felt, this is
not the right time. I'm not going

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to reach out to my mother until
I feel ready. And now, of

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course he regrets it, thinking that
Ruth was likely murdered only a short time

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after she tried to get in touch
with me, and he was thinking to

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himself, if I had reached out
to her at that time, then maybe

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I could have met her before she
was killed. So now we've got to

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tack on survivor's guilt. That's just
so sad, because of course you're going

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to play those scenarios in your head. What if she actually was successful and

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getting a hold of him, things
could have turned out differently, because we

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just truly don't know how things would
have turned out, and like what hidden

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variables would have made a difference in
the trajectory of the life of somebody.

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Could she have lived if that was
the case, We just don't know,

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And to kind of ascribe any type
of blame to oneself in that situation is

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something that we see family members of
victims do all the time, exactly.

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And even though Richard had a tough
teenage years, it's good to know that

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he turned his life around and he's
still alive today in his sixties, and

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he recently made a trip to Provincetown
for the first time to visit the site

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where his mother had been murdered.
And even though her remains, part of

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them are still buried in the original
grave in Provincetown. He has been given

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some of her remains and some ashes
that he's kept in his possession, So

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it sounds like he's at peace with
the whole situation. Well that is at

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least a little bit of catharsis to
be able to have some of your mother

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return to you and to know that
she's with you. So my heart really

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goes out to Richard because I can't
imagine what it would be like to find

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out that information and then to just
to never get to know your mother and

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to know that she did everything that
she could in order for him to have

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the best life possible. And he
saw and she saw that with you know,

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her boss, Richard Senior, and
Richard Hensch senior and his wife what

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was his wife's name, Her name
was Thelma, Thelma Handget. Yeah.

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So this idea that Ruth decided to
give Richard Junior a better life by providing

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him a family with Richard Henshey Senior
and his wife Thelma. And obviously he

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had some tumultuous years in his you
know, his teenage years were a bit

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tumultuous. But I think that can
often be the case with children who are

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adopted and don't get a chance to
meet their families, because there's often a

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sense just from what I've seen,
obviously I can't speak from personal experience.

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My mom was adopted, like she
didn't know who her father was. So

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I know that my grandma kept a
lot of secrets, and she found out

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through genetic I guess through genealogy right
through like ancestry dot Com. She basically

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ended up being able to trace back
who her father was. But my grandma

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held a lot of secrets during her
life and she never knew that. And

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I know that she always felt that
sense of like not really knowing where she

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came from because there was just it
was so shrouded in secrecy. And so

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I can imagine that Richard felt the
same way, because there's just this huge

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part of his life that he was
just completely unaware about. I mean,

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he did know who his mother was
because Richard and Thelma could Richard Senior and

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Thema could tell him about her because
she worked for them. But actually being

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able to meet her himself and being
able to know her is a completely different

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thing exactly. And we saw so
many examples of this on the original Unsolved

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Mysteries where they had to have lost's
love segments where people would meet up with

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long lost relatives, and more often
than not, she would be have this

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happy reunion in front of the camera
where they finally met each other for the

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first time. And I'm sure Richard
was hoping that this would happen with his

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mother, but it turned out to
be exactly not what he expected. So

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now this is when the story gets
really crazy. It turned out that in

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nineteen seventy four, while Ruth was
living in California, she got married to

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a man named Guy Maldovin, and
marriage records showed that they officially got married

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in Reno, Nevada on February sixteenth, nineteen seventy four, though for some

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reason, Ruth used a fake name
on the marriage certificate. She was listed

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under the name Terry Marie Vizna.
We're not entirely sure why, but as

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we're going to talk about, there
are a number of red flags in this

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marriage. Shortly thereafter, Ruth and
her new husband, Guy decided to visit

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relatives in Tennessee, and it said
that Guy was like it antiques art dealer

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and that they were now traveling through
the United States searching for old antiques.

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But a lot of her relatives said
that Ruth didn't appear to be herself whenever

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she was a round guy, that
he gave off the impression of being very

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controlling and possessive. But nonetheless,
they were going to continue on with their

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trip around the United States. They
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And I guess which state Guy said
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in the near future. Rhode Island, Massachusetts. Oh, Massachusetts. Yeah,

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that's what I'm just saying to keep
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No, it's Massachusetts. But surprise, surprise, this turned out to

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be the last time they ever heard
from Ruth, and sometime during the summer

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of nineteen seventy four, Guy returned
to California. He also got in touch

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with Ruth's family and said that shortly
after they got back, they got into

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a fight and then Ruth just decided
to take off on him and run away,

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and she and he had no idea
what happened to her, And of

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course this made Ruth's family very suspicious. They hired a private investigator to travel

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to California and look into the matter
and discovered that Guy had stold pretty much

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all of Ruth's belongings, but he
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her. But I'm sure at this
point alarm bells are going off in your

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head like crazy. Oh my gosh, I can't even imagine what it was

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like investigating crimes before law enforcements were
able to talk to each other, you

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know, through different programs and whatnot, and be able to share information.

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And then when you have missing persons
cases not being taken as seriously as they

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are today, it's a completely different
ballgame. So the idea for families having

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to hire your own private investigator so
at great expense, and then at the

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end of the day not being able
to come up with really any information because

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you don't have anybody looking into it
right away. He's had guys had all

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of this time to be able to
dispose of any potential evidence exactly. And

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of course Guy never filed an official
missing person's report with the police. I

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know Ruth's family tried, but there
were all sorts of jurisdictional issues. Because

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they had been traveling through the US, they suspected she might have gone missing

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from Massachusetts. But Guy is telling
people that after they got back to California,

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that's when she ran away, and
there was no direct evidence of foul

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play, so of course there was
no missing persons report on file for Ruth,

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so that when investigators discovered the Lady
of the Dunes that same year and

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were combing through reports, they never
found anything about Ruth, so they wouldn't

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have had the opportunity to put two
and two together. Well that makes total

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sense. If guys the one that
committed the murder, you want to be

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able to go, oh, yeah, she ran away from California, don't

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look over there in Massachusetts exactly.
Yeah. So I'm not surprised at all

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that this case she remained unidentified for
a total of forty eight years. But

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this is when the story goes in
all sorts of crazy directions, because guy

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Maldavin is quite a piece of work, and after Ruth was identified in twenty

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twenty two, they started looking into
his background and discovered that he may have

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been responsible for many other crimes,
and it actually turned out that he was

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part of a very infamous crime from
Seattle, Washington, which was chronicled in

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the book written by noted true crime
author and rule titled Smoke, Mirrors and

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Murder. What Ann Ruel would do
is she would release all these true crime

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anthologies which had a number of different
stories in them. And this particular book

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was published in two thousand and seven. But because it took place while Guy

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Muldavin was living under a completely different
identity, no one put two and two

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together and figured that he might be
connected to the lady of the Dunes case.

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Well, that's interesting. What was
the infamous crime, like, what

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was the nature of it? Well, I'm going to go into a lot

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of detail about it because it's pretty
complicated. It turns out that Guy mal

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David it is his legitimate birth name. He was originally born in New York

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in nineteen twenty three. Apparently he
was adopted. I don't think anyone was

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able to figure out who his biological
parents were. But at some point in

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his life, maybe the nineteen forties
or sometime in the early nineteen fifties,

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he decided to change his name to
Raoul Guy Rockwell, and he went by

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the nickname Rocky. So that's how
I'm going to refer to him from here

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on out. But in the nineteen
fifties, he was living in Seattle,

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Washington with his wife named Joe Ellen. They were running an antiques shop together,

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but sometime in the mid to late
nineteen fifties, a woman named Manzanita

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Merns, who went by the nickname
Mansie, started frequenting the store a lot,

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and Rocky started an extramarital affair with
her, even though Mansie was married

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and had children of her own.
And to show you what a great guy

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Rocky slash Guy is, he wound
up dumping Joe Ellen and telling her that

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he wanted a divorce right in their
antique shop in front of customers, and

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then he kicked her out, and
then he later divorced her and went on

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to Mary Mansey, whoa, this
guy's a real piece of work. That

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is some balls on him to do
that to your wife in front of other

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people at your place of employment.
Talk about missing a sensitivity chip. The

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lack of compassion and the lack of
empathy is astounding, exactly. And can

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you imagine how awkward it be to
be a customer in the store where you're

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just shopping for antiques and then you
see a man dumping his wife and saying

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he wants a divorce right in front
of you. I'd be like slowly edging

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my way out the door saying I'm
not going to do any business here.

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I mean, I would be,
but I would also be listening, because,

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oh my god, that would be
good dinner table conversation later when you're

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hearing about how this guy did this
to this woman and you don't know who

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they are, right, you're just
in this antique shop. It would provide

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it an interesting story. But at
the end of the day, it's like

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when you're watching reality TV or something
like that and you're talking about how this

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guy is behaving in this horrific manner
towards this woman and you're so shocked,

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but like, this is actual,
real people in front of your eyes,

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I guess, before the advent of
reality TV. So it had to have

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been equal parts entertaining and just really
upsetting for anybody that had to witness that

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exactly. So you have to feel
bad for the poor woman to because I

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have no idea at that point if
she even suspected that her husband was having

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an affair, So for all we
know, this could have happened completely out

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of the blue that day and like
way to victimize her by having the affair.

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But then to dump her publicly.
It's like, did you just not

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want her to react in a way
that was like above and beyond that had,

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you know, emotions attached, and
you didn't want to actually have to

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be sorry for what you've done,
so you just do this publicly and kick

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her out, Like I can't even
believe this guy. He's horrible. Oh,

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yes, he definitely is. And
it gets a lot worse, believe

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it or not. So Mansi wound
up divorcing her own husband, and by

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nineteen sixty she was living with Rocky, and she also was living with her

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eighteen year old daughter, Dolores,
from her previous marriage. But sometime in

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April of nineteen sixty, Mansie and
Dolores were officially reported missing because Mansie's ex

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husband had not heard from them in
a while and he was wanting to get

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in touch with his daughter. But
not only had Mansie and Dolores gone missing,

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but Rocky was gone as well.
They couldn't find him anywhere and it

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looked like they had just abandoned their
house, and it was not until a

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few months later that they finally decided
to perform a full search of the house

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and check inside a septic tank,
and they wound up finding some skeletal remains.

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Now keep in mind, everyone at
the time figured that these remains belonged

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to Mansie and Dolores, but this
is nineteen sixty before DNA testing, and

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it does not sound like they had
any distinctive things like teeth or a skull

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to make a positive identification. So
officially they were not inclusively identified as belonging

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to Nansi or Dolores. But I'm
pretty sure they were because one of the

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odds that the remains of a completely
different people would be found inside this septic

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tank. Wow, this just took
a real dark turn. I thought,

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what a horrible guy. I mean, obviously, this is behavior that clearly

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sounds like almost sociopathic, the way
to break up with somebody like that,

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just completely lacking compassion. And then
we see he takes up with the woman

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he's having the extra marital affair with
and her eighteen year old daughter, Dolores,

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and then they all go missing,
the houses quote unquote abandoned, and

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then skeletal remains are found in the
septic tank. Obviously, Rocky Slash guy

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is responsible. He's even worse than
he sounded initially. Oh yeah, exactly

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and wait until you hear the circumstances
of what he did during this time period.

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When he disappeared, he was carrying
on an affair with another woman,

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and this particular woman was named Evelyn
Emerson. I don't think that she had

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any idea that Rocky was already married
and had an eighteen year old stepdaughter living

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with him. I think she just
figured that he had lived in Seattle but

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now was planning to relocate. But
Rocky became friendly with Evelyn's mother, and

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I think he was like a very
fast talking con artist, so he convinced

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the mother to invest thousands of dollars
with them so that he could take a

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trip to a British Columbia and purchase
I think thousands of dollars in Native American

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artifacts because she was interested in collecting
them. But it turned out that he

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never actually went there. He just
ran off with his mother in law's money.

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So she decided to file grand larceny
charges against him, and he would

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become a wanted fugitive for several months. And it would later turn out that

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Rocky used this money that he got
from his mother in law to purchase a

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sports car so that he could pretty
much travel around the country, and interestingly

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enough, at one point he stayed
in Provincetown, Massachusetts, which is where

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his wealthy father owns some property,
and as you well know, Province down

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is where Ruth would be discovered fourteen
years later. That is pretty intense to

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think that you'd feel so awful being
broken up with in an antique shop when

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he ends your marriage. But to
know was his wife's name was Joellen,

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right, his first wife was Joellen
and his third wife was Evelyn. Yeah.

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Yeah, So to know that,
like Joellen got off really lucky,

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because he seems to have this pattern
of just starting this new affair with another

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woman and then just leaves either heartbreak
or bodies in his wake. I'm shocked,

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but like not shocked at this point
because we just see this pattern of

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this guy who seems to be a
pervasive con artist who behaves in an incredibly

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sociopathic manner with just callous disregard for
the emotions, the well being just any

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other human being that is in his
wake. They are expendable. He will

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take their money or end their lives. He's he's insidious, oh exactly.

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And that's what's crazy about this is
that if people had known about Ruth's marriage

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to Guy back in nineteen seventy four
and that she had gone missing, then

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he would have seemed like the obvious
suspect. It probably would not have taken

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nearly fifty years for the Lady of
the Dunes to be identified, especially when

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you look at his pattern of behavior. But of course, since he was

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living under a completely different name,
Raoul Guy Rockwell, nobody put these two

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cases together. But he was eventually
found in New York City in December of

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nineteen sixty, several months after he
fled Seattle, and he was extradited back

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there, but prosecutors determined that there
was not enough evidence to file murder charges

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against him for the murders of Mansie
and Dolores, because even though they found

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remains in his septic tank, they
weren't one hundred percent certain that the remains

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belonged to them, and they could
prove that he killed them and put them

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in there, because for all,
he could just say that, well,

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I already left Seattle before I need
this happen, so they were probably killed

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by someone else. But he did
get a charge for a grand larceny for

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ripping off the money from his mother
in law and was found guilty and received

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a fifteen year prison sence. However, we only had to serve thirteen months

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because the judge decided to suspend a
sentence on the condition that he repaid all

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the money he stole to his former
mother in law. And this revelation has

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pretty much pissed off Ruth's family because
if he had served the fall fifteen year

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prison sentence, he would not have
gotten out until nineteen seventy five, so

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he never would have met Ruth.
He likely never would have murdered her,

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So they pretty much have said that
this decision to let him out early,

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even though he was a suspect and
a double murder, in the long run

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wound up costing Ruth her life.
But the information that he was a suspect

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and a double murder might not have
been released during the court case because that

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would be deemed highly prejudicial, would
it not. He was already convicted of

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grand larceny and people were well aware
that he was already like a suspect and

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a double murder, but the judge
still said that, well, he was

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only technically convicted of grand larceny,
so we'll have like a well, we'll

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suspend a sense and let him out
early as long as he repays the victims.

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But I'm pretty sure the judge did
know that he was a suspect and

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another murder and probably thought maybe we
should let him serve his full sentence because

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this guy could be dangerous. Yeah, I mean, if the judge knew,

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that was a poor choice, clearly, because Ruth would still be alive

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if he'd served the full length of
his sentence, But it gave him the

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opportunity to be out there committing more
crimes, exactly, And that's exactly what

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he did, apparently several years down
the line, because at some point,

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I guess because of all the notoriety
surrounding this case, because I know that

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it got a lot of publicity in
the Seattle area at least in nineteen sixty

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though when he was released from prison, I think it pretty much dropped off

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the radars. So he just decided
to change his name back to his birth

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name, Guy Maldovin. And I
think no one had any idea that he

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was a suspect in a double murder
when he met Ruth and married her over

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a decade later. But believe it
or not, There's even more to this

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story because when Ruth was identified in
twenty twenty two, they started doing more

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research into Guy Maldovn's background and they
found out that while he was still living

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under the name Raoul Guy Rockwell,
he was wanted for questioning in a double

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murder which took place in Eureka,
California, in nineteen fifty. On June

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eighteenth of that year, a twenty
two year old bread truck driver named Henry

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Baird was found murdered after he was
found shot in the back of the head

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on a beach near Eureka. When
his body was found, he was clad

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only in his shoes in his socks, and his clothing was neatly piled nearby.

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And Henry had last been seen with
a seventeen year old waitress named Barbara

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Kelly, and her clothing was found
neatly piled at the murder scene. But

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they never did find Barbara's body,
so whoever committed this murder presumably disposed of

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her body at another location. So
at the time, Raoul Guy Rockwell was

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living in the nearby town of Fortuna
with his first wife, Joe Ellen.

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Joe Allen's parents owned one of the
two restaurants in the town, and Rocky

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just happened to work there as a
short order cook. The main reason there's

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a connection to him is because Henry
Baird often visited this restaurant since it was

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on his route as a bread truck
driver, and Barbara Kelly just happened to

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work as a waitress in the town's
of the restaurant. The crime was ever

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solved, and there really isn't anything
to conclusively tie Guy Rockwell slash Guy Maldov

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into this crime. But one reason
that they find it interesting is the detail

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about the victim's clothing being neatly folded
at the crime scene, because, as

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you recall, Roof's clothing was found
neatly folded under her head when she was

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found murdered twenty four years later.
So there's been speculation that perhaps got I

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committed his first murder all the way
back in nineteen fifty and that he could

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be a serial killer responsible for the
murders of at least five victims. It's

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an odd dichotomy or juxtaposition, this
idea of this chaos scene with murder,

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but then to fold the clothes.
It's like his attempt to try to find

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this order in chaos, and it
is a strange parallel to have this other

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case in the same town where he
was, where he obviously knew Baird because

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Baird is delivering the bread, and
he probably knew his girlfriend as well because

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she worked at the other restaurant in
this town. It doesn't sound like it

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was that big. It sounds like
people knew each other there. So I

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mean, he's a good suspect because
we know that he seems to just commit

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murder whenever things don't go his way
or when he wants something. So the

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idea that maybe he wanted to sexually
assault her, maybe he wanted to rob

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them, I don't know. He
just seems like the type of guy that

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we can't really discount the possibility that
he could be capable of pretty much doing

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anything exactly, because at the time, I don't think anyone thought he was

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a serious suspect. They just wanted
to question him, but he had not

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been not yet been linked to any
other murders back in nineteen fifty. And

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I think it's only in retrospect now
that people are looking through the newspaper archives

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again and seeing his name and they
realize, well, was he probably killed

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Ruth. He probably killed Mansy and
Dolores in nineteen sixty, so who's to

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say he couldn't have committed another double
murder ten years earlier. So what's also

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crazy is that when all this stuff
about Guy Maldovin became public after Rue's identification

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in twenty twenty two, people started
doing searches for the newspaper archives trying to

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find out like all the information they
could about him, and they wound up

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finding a full article about him in
the June fifth, nineteen eighty five edition

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of The Californian, a newspaper based
out of the town of Salinas, where

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he was living at the time.
And what's crazy is that it's a whole

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profile on Guy because he had become
a disc jockey and was the host of

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this very popular late night talk radio
show. And they show like these photographs

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of him like hamming it up in
front of the camera, screaming into the

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mic, and they interview him and
say that, yeah, I was a

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guy who worked as like a salesman, but by the time I reached my

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fifties, I decided I wanted to
go into a more artistic feel to get

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a change in my life, so
I became the host of this late night

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radio show. It's pretty much a
fluff piece, but it's just so creepy

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to read because guy Maldovan seems like
this ordinary, likable guy in the article,

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and no one has any inkling that
he may have killed as many as

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five people at that point. This
is giving me major Rodney Alcala vibes,

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like the dating game killer. Oh
yeah, yeah right, Like this guy

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goes out there, everyone thinks he's
this charismatic guy. I mean, I

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guess with Rodney al Kala, the
woman that ended up being matched with him,

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or she picked him, she didn't
go on a date with him.

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She thought he was creepy, so
at least she was able to accurately read

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him. But it's just so gross
and weird to think that he was beloved

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in any capacity exactly like he must
have been a chameleon, Like he must

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have had a very charming side to
his personality to make people think he was

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a likable guy, but then showed
his darker side when he was alone with

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women with spouses that he wanted to
take advantage of. And that's the thing

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is that even though the raul guy
Rockwell case from Seattle had gotten a lot

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of publicity. He was now living
under a new name in nineteen eighty five,

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so people reading that article are going
to have no idea that this guy

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was a suspect in a double murder
twenty five years earlier. It's just wild

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how you could go from state to
state and just you know, change your

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name when you felt like it,
take up new identity, just be whoever

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you wanted whenever you got to this
new place. And that's exactly what he

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did. He became the popular DJ. It's so weird. As an aside,

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you've probably heard of Rex Huerman,
who was recent arrested for the Long

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Island serial killings, and after his
arrest, people did a Google search and

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found out he had been interviewed on
a YouTube series several years ago about people

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who ran successful businesses in Manhattan,
and you look at the interview, he

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just seems like an ordinary guy and
you would never guess that he has probably

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murdered about like ten twelve people at
that point. So it's always shocking when

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suspects are arrested for murdering. You
look at their personal history and you find

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like interviews or YouTube videos or articles
in which they just come across as normal

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people. Speaking of DJs too,
with regards to Rex Hugerman, Howard Stern

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when they were talking about the case
like years ago, said, Oh,

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he's probably an architect. Oh really, I didn't know that. Yeah,

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that's crazy. Isn't that weird?
Yeah? But I know. This was

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kind of a small YouTube channel,
and the guy who runs it said that

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after Rex was arrested, the views
on this particular video just skyrocketed because people

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00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:59.319
would just google his name and then
find it. Well, yeah, you

408
00:29:59.359 --> 00:30:03.279
want to have any instance where you
can see this person talking, where you

409
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:07.200
can kind of get a feel for
who they are, what's their cadence,

410
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:11.359
Are they hiding something? You know, these types of things that we try

411
00:30:11.400 --> 00:30:15.359
to kind of intimate these details from
these little sound bites or from these little

412
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:21.079
videos or audio whenever we have it
of killers, because we feel like we

413
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:23.839
can get some kind of insight into
who they are and why they do what

414
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:29.920
they do exactly. And another example, look back at Steve Panky's campaign videos

415
00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:32.519
when he ran for governor of Idaho, and he's doing, like god,

416
00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:36.720
a pro life, pro Second Amendment
platform, even though he had already abducted

417
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:40.319
and murdered a twelve year old girl, which is pretty creepy. It was

418
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:45.240
wild, Yeah, he was.
He was something else, so Guy Maldovin.

419
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.279
Other than the larceny charge, he
was never officially charged or convicted of

420
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:52.559
any major crimes. He was never
conclusively linked to any murders, and he

421
00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:56.039
pretty much lived his whole light most
of his life as a free man before

422
00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.000
he died of natural causes in March
of two thousand and two at the age

423
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.480
of seventy eight. And what's crazy
to me is that Guy had gotten remarried

424
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:08.599
for the fourth I think it was
the fifth time, to a woman named

425
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:14.000
Phyllis in October of nineteen seventy five. And even though he ran through so

426
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:18.960
many wives during his early days,
Guy actually stayed married to Phyllis for twenty

427
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.039
seven years until he passed away.
And I found an obituary for Phyllis.

428
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:27.599
She did not pass away until twenty
twenty one before any of these revelations came

429
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:32.039
out about Guy maul Davin. So
I really would love to speak to her.

430
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.039
I'd love to know if there were
any warning signs during the marriage that

431
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:37.279
there was something off about him,
because it just seems crazy to me that

432
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:41.839
after going through so many women and
using them, that he would be willing

433
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.960
to stay married to the same woman
for twenty seven years and settled down before

434
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:49.200
he passed away. Well, we're
assuming he settled down. Maybe she was

435
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.480
just one of those like, you
know, kind of don't ask, don't

436
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:57.359
tow type of people with regards to
an affair. You know how sometimes in

437
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:01.359
situations it's like, well, do
aishure do, but don't embarrass me type

438
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:06.480
of a thing. And maybe that
was her attitude or her outlook, and

439
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:10.799
it didn't give him a situation where
he had to do anything extreme because she

440
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:16.680
wasn't putting pressure on him to stop
his gallivanting around town with you know,

441
00:32:16.720 --> 00:32:21.440
all these different women. Or maybe
he really did just love her and decided

442
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:23.920
to settle down. But I think
it's more likely the former than the latter,

443
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:29.119
because he just doesn't really sound like
somebody who's capable of any kind of

444
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:32.279
depth of feeling exactly, or like
we never know. He could have killed

445
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:37.160
other people between nineteen seventy four and
two thousand and two, but he was

446
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:39.200
getting up there in age, and
I know that's the main reason that Joseph

447
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:44.440
DeAngelo, the Golden State Killer stopped
because he was just getting too old to

448
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:47.559
break into people's houses and murder them. So maybe guy just decided I'm too

449
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:52.240
old for this and just lived a
normal life working as this disc jockey,

450
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:55.039
this talk radio show host, and
then just lived a quiet life until he

451
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:59.960
passed away. Yeah, and we
saw that with BTK as well. Right.

452
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:01.960
I think he just got older and
then he started to feel like he

453
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:07.599
was fading into obscurity, and so
he decided to talk law enforcement and it

454
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:12.720
got him caught exactly. He likely
wouldn't have been caught, or maybe not

455
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:17.559
for many years after he actually was, if he didn't decide to get this

456
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:22.960
big ego and want to remain relevant
exactly. Yes, So that might be

457
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.319
why by Guy mal David was able
to stop killing. Like maybe he thought,

458
00:33:25.319 --> 00:33:30.359
I'm already a semi famous radio host, so my ego is being placated,

459
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:32.519
I'm getting attention, so this maybe
this is my substitute for being a

460
00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:38.160
killer. Oh, good call.
That sounds like that would be accurate for

461
00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:43.000
sure. That would be like a
good surrogate situation where his ego is getting

462
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.279
stroked. He doesn't need the papers
to write about him. He doesn't need

463
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:50.680
to have his crimes be plastered everywhere
because he's this beloved you know, talk

464
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:54.960
radio host or DJ. Yeah.
Pretty crazy. So as an aside,

465
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:59.440
I mentioned that Ann Rulebook which was
published in two thousand and seven, and

466
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:04.039
wrote like a chapter about the uh
murders which took place in Seattle in nineteen

467
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.279
sixty And I looked at the chapter
and it just has this thing at the

468
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.639
end as saying that Raoul Guy Rockwell
changed his name to Guy mal Davin and

469
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:15.559
public's records show that he got married
to a woman named Terry and Nevada in

470
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:19.360
February of nineteen seventy four, but
we don't know what happened to him afterwards.

471
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:22.039
And of course I mentioned that for
some reason, when Ruth got married,

472
00:34:22.119 --> 00:34:27.920
she used this fake name Terry Marie
Vizna on the marriage certificate. But

473
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:31.480
when Amrul wrote that chapter, I'm
sure she had no inkling that Terry would

474
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:36.320
later turn out to be the Lady
of the Dunes. Oh my god,

475
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:39.760
No, I'm sure she had no
clue. This case just has so many

476
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:44.000
twists and turns. Yeah, it's
just so crazy. It's just gone in

477
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:46.760
so many unexpected directions. Which is
why I felt we had to do an

478
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:53.119
entire podcast episode about this. So
obviously, after Ruth was identified in twenty

479
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:58.639
twenty two and all this information was
coming out against her former husband, everyone

480
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:01.199
was thinking to themselves, yet,
it's obvious he did this, but how

481
00:35:01.239 --> 00:35:06.440
are they going to conclusively prove this? After all this time, they kept

482
00:35:06.480 --> 00:35:09.400
sending out public pleas for information,
saying that if you cross pass with Guy

483
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:15.519
Maldovin or Ruth Marie Terry in nineteen
seventy four, please come forward with information

484
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:20.079
anything that'll help the investigation. Of
course, we've seen in recent years that

485
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:23.440
a whole bunch of cold cases have
been solved when people have used genetic genealogy

486
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:29.559
in order to link DNA to the
perpetrator, so you can officially name it

487
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.280
as the killer, even if they're
already deceased. But the problem is that

488
00:35:32.280 --> 00:35:37.840
there was no DNA evidence in this
case which belonged to roost killer. Because

489
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:40.199
it turned out that when a lot
of the items found at the murder scene,

490
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:45.119
like the towel and the clothing,
were sent to the Massachusetts State Police

491
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:49.599
in the nineteen eighties, they just
got rid of it. They apparently needed

492
00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:52.519
more space and their evidence lockers,
so they just decided to throw all this

493
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:58.000
evidence out, never realizing that it
could be tested for DNA at some point

494
00:35:58.039 --> 00:36:00.280
in the future. So when they
went to look for and try to see

495
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:05.199
if it might have Guy's DNA,
I found out it was missing, so

496
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:08.519
very very frustrating. Oh that is
so frustrating. But we see it in

497
00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:13.960
so many cases because they just didn't
know to preserve things like they do today

498
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:19.199
exactly, So it happens in a
lot of these older cases. But in

499
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:24.400
August of twenty twenty three, after
performing extensive investigation the Cape and Islands District

500
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:30.119
Attorney's Office, who had jurisdiction in
Provincetown, they announced that this case was

501
00:36:30.159 --> 00:36:36.360
officially closed and they were comfortable naming
Guy Maldovin as Ruth Marie Terry's killer.

502
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.039
It was base. They didn't have
anything conclusive like DNA or physical evidence or

503
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:45.280
eyewitnesses, but they did learn some
new information that made it obvious that Guy

504
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:50.039
was the killer. I previously mentioned
how Guy had spoken to Ruth's family and

505
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.920
claimed that when they went to Massachusetts
for their honeymoon and returned home to California,

506
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:59.079
they got into a fight and Ruth
just decided to run away and he

507
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:02.559
didn't know what happened to well.
Investigators would speak to other witnesses who had

508
00:37:02.599 --> 00:37:07.000
interacted with Guy back in nineteen seventy
four, and he claimed that when Guy

509
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:13.239
returned home from California, he was
alone and he was driving Ruth's carr There

510
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:17.079
was no evidence that Ruth was in
California at all during the summer of nineteen

511
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:21.599
seventy four, which just seemed to
poke holes in this story. He provided

512
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:24.119
that they had gotten into a fight
there and she had run away. And

513
00:37:24.199 --> 00:37:29.039
not only that, is that even
though Guy had told Ruth's family that she

514
00:37:29.239 --> 00:37:32.039
was missing, he flat out told
some of the other people living in California

515
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:37.599
that Ruth had died during their trip. So investigators were looking at this and

516
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:40.199
pretty much just said that, Yeah, there's no way that this guy could

517
00:37:40.199 --> 00:37:44.679
be innocent. It's just too much
a coincidence that they would go on a

518
00:37:44.719 --> 00:37:49.159
hodimoon and the same period where Ruth
was murdered, and that he would come

519
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:52.679
back without hers. So they just
said, I'm confident that he's the killer

520
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:58.519
and we can finally close the investigation. Yeah, I think just his tie

521
00:37:58.519 --> 00:38:02.840
to all of these different crimes the
fact that he's giving different degrees. Well,

522
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:07.000
he's giving varying stories, one that
she died during the trip, one

523
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:12.920
that she ran away in California.
He can't keep his story straight, which

524
00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:16.320
obviously alludes to the fact that he's
lying and he is the one who is

525
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:22.360
responsible for murdering Ruth. Exactly.
Yeah, And there's one more piece of

526
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:24.599
evidence I wanted to discuss that was
uncovered the last year, which is even

527
00:38:24.679 --> 00:38:30.960
creepier. It turned out in nineteen
seventy six that guy had published a cookbook

528
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:37.000
about these weird like Northeast recipes titled
Cooking with Rump Oil, and there was

529
00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:40.719
one section which had a recipe titled
cape Cod Shid, which showed this weird

530
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:45.519
drawing of a creature which had this
long, flowing hair. But since they

531
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:51.119
looked at it recently, they're realizing
this is disturbingly similar to Ruth's hair at

532
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:53.800
the time she was killed. And
next to the drawing was this message,

533
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:58.119
I'm going to read it word for
word quote. Out of the water and

534
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.960
into the pan. The only way
to cook the shit after the shit is

535
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:06.199
caught, anything over five minutes ends
it. The sweet turpentine will turn that

536
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:08.320
of a burnt glove, and the
tender look will become one of despair.

537
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:13.239
Remember, just five minutes. Don't
cook the shit out of it. End

538
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:16.880
quote. So this passage was given
to an FBI profile or retired one named

539
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:21.559
Julia Cowley, and she looked at
this and was just so creeped out about

540
00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:25.639
it, thinking that guy is covertly
using this recipe to describe his own wife's

541
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:29.920
murder, That he has a drawing
of a creature who has similar hair,

542
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:32.880
and this whole thing about how it
only takes five minutes to kill her and

543
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:36.800
they will have a look of despair. He think that she thinks that this

544
00:39:36.920 --> 00:39:40.239
is him covertly describing how he killed
Ruth, that maybe it took five minutes

545
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:44.599
she had a look of despair and
then after five minutes he ended it and

546
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.119
she was murdered. And this is
just all sorts of creepy. I just

547
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:53.880
have no idea where to begin trying
to describe this. I'm really disgusted because

548
00:39:54.559 --> 00:40:00.199
all elements of that are really gross, especially to think that he drew her

549
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:04.800
and then describe murdering her. Don't
cook the shit out of it, Like,

550
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:08.920
what does that even mean? In
reference to the murder yeah, I

551
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:13.360
try looking up shit. I guess
it's kind of a like a sea creature

552
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:15.480
or something like that, and he's
trying to say that you grab this creature

553
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:21.119
and cook it somewhere in Cape cod
But it's like we talked about how killers

554
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:24.239
will sometimes have their own avenues where
if they've gotten away with a crime and

555
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:28.679
they can't tell anyone about it,
it will drive them crazy. And this

556
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:32.239
is the first example I found about
someone publishing a recipe book. It's pretty

557
00:40:32.280 --> 00:40:37.559
much the cookbook version of OJ Simpson's
If I Did It, where he's almost

558
00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:42.679
covertly describing him murdering his wife in
the passage of describing a recipe. It's

559
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:49.320
the most bizarre thing I've ever seen. Is Julia Colly, the lead person

560
00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:52.239
on that show, The Consult Uh
good question. I know she is a

561
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.840
prominent figure, so I'm just going
to look that up. I really love

562
00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:00.280
that podcast. They just did a
three part on Jody Who's in truet Oh

563
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:05.480
okay, cool? It was.
It was really good hearing different retired FBI

564
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.840
profilers takes on who did it?
And you know, the guy who'd been

565
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:16.800
the main suspect basically saying that the
strong likelihood that he isn't responsible. Yes,

566
00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:21.440
Julia Cally was the host of the
consult and I would really love to

567
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:23.840
see her do an episode about this
case because I think she just looked at

568
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:27.719
the recipe book and said, yeah, this guy is the killer. We

569
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:31.480
can just close this case. There's
nothing else to solve here. Yeah,

570
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:36.079
you should definitely. Have you listened
to the podcast. I haven't. No,

571
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:38.840
you should listen to it. It's
really good. It's just so unique

572
00:41:38.880 --> 00:41:45.559
getting to hear profilers takes on different
cases. They don't put out episodes all

573
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:47.719
that often, Like over the last
couple of years, I think they've only

574
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:51.960
put out a handful of episodes.
But it's incredibly good. And I really

575
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:54.159
like Julia Cally. That's good,
so I definitely would take her word for

576
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:59.000
it with her analysis of the recipe. Here's a quote she said, what

577
00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:02.440
I do wonder, especially the last
line, the tender look will become one

578
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:06.920
of despair. You have to think
that perhaps that was the moment he watched

579
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.159
life go out of her eyes and
when she realized he's going to kill me.

580
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:13.880
It's really horrifying. End quote.
And then you just look at the

581
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:17.639
circumstances where investigators suspected that she was
just son bathing, that it could have

582
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:22.719
been an ordinary routine day where she's
son bathing with her husband, but then

583
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:27.119
something happens which makes him realize that
my husband is going to murder me in

584
00:42:27.199 --> 00:42:30.320
the most brutal, fashioned, imaginable
And it's just so horrifying to think about

585
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:36.480
when you read that passage and think
about how the major overkill, the fact

586
00:42:36.559 --> 00:42:37.639
that she was killed by her own
husband, and for all we know,

587
00:42:37.760 --> 00:42:42.119
could have come completely out of left
field. She may not have been expecting

588
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:45.719
it. Yeah, and you have
to think that she's absolutely correct in her

589
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:51.519
assessment that he's talking about the murder, because that lies specifically. The tender

590
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:55.159
look goes to that of despair.
You'd never talk about a fish ever having

591
00:42:55.239 --> 00:43:00.000
a tender look like looking at you
in any tender capacity. Fish aren't capable

592
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.960
of tenderness. You know, maybe
they are with their little fish babies,

593
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:08.320
but not with us humans. So
to say that the tender look goes to

594
00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:12.440
that of despair, I don't think
you see a lot of change on the

595
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:15.920
face of a fish when they realize
that they're going to die. I mean,

596
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.000
I've done a lot of fishing.
My dad was a fisheries biologist,

597
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:22.400
so I spent a lot of time
with the fish, and I've never seen

598
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:24.199
a tender look. And I've also
never really seen a look of despair.

599
00:43:24.679 --> 00:43:31.039
Maybe I'm just not that keenly aware
or like acutely tuned into fish expressions,

600
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:36.719
but I think that he's absolutely talking
about Ruth's look on her face, and

601
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:42.719
that is bone chilling exactly. Yeah, And since Maldovin is now deceased,

602
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.360
will probably never know the full story
about why he killed her. I mean

603
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:50.440
when he married her, was he
originally planning to kill her sometime down the

604
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:52.199
line, or did he just get
tired of her or did they have a

605
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:55.920
major fight or something and that just
led to things escalating out of control.

606
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:00.559
We'll probably never know the full truth
because we know that some of his other

607
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:05.639
relationships he would get involved with women
and then use them and then kill them

608
00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:07.280
when he was finished with them,
So it could have been the same thing

609
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:12.360
with Ruth because they'd only been married
I think something like five months at that

610
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point when the murder likely happened.
So it's just a very bizarre situation and

611
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it's crazy to think that he maybe
one of those serial killers who flew under

612
00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:24.960
the radar where he managed to kill
multiple people throughout the course of his lifetime

613
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:30.280
without ever getting charged with any crimes, and he went to his grave completely

614
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:34.559
getting away with it. He sounds
like he came from, like you said,

615
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:37.920
an affluent family that had some kind
of money, but he was a

616
00:44:37.920 --> 00:44:42.360
bit of a grifter or you know, a wheeler dealer, and that he

617
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.360
was just really opportunistic and he would
kind of make and take money wherever he

618
00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:50.599
could. So I wonder if in
the beginning when he met Ruth that he

619
00:44:50.719 --> 00:44:53.159
was like love bombing her type of
a thing, and maybe he had money

620
00:44:53.199 --> 00:44:55.559
at that time, because it could
be if you're that type of person,

621
00:44:55.960 --> 00:45:00.000
could be very feast or famine,
so you could have a lot of money

622
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:04.440
one time and then be completely broken
another. So maybe he is responsible for

623
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.760
paying for all of her expensive dental
work, and that's why he ended up,

624
00:45:08.679 --> 00:45:13.400
you know, taking the time to
remove as many teeth as he possibly

625
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.000
could, because he thought maybe the
dental work could be tied back to him

626
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:21.440
specifically. Yeah, exactly. It
still has never been conclusively determined when she

627
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:23.599
got the dental work, but it
would make sense that it happened after they

628
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:27.920
got married because she may not have
had enough money for that, but guy

629
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:30.199
seemed to have a decent amount of
money, so he probably paid for it,

630
00:45:30.239 --> 00:45:32.960
and maybe that was one of the
reasons she decided to marry him.

631
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.159
But he figured, well, it'll
be easily traced back to her, so

632
00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:39.960
that's why he went to the trouble
of removing some of her teeth and also

633
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:44.639
her hands. And I think the
theory was correct that this was not a

634
00:45:44.639 --> 00:45:47.000
first time killer. This was someone
who had a lot of experience and knew

635
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:52.920
the methods of identification and why they
wanted to go to the trouble of removing

636
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:57.199
this because obviously, if she was
identified as Ruth back in nineteen seventy four,

637
00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:00.519
he automatically would have become the prime
suspect. But because she could not

638
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:04.800
be identified, he was able to
just go on living his life under the

639
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:08.079
radar without anyone knowing better, and
he probably would have gotten away with it

640
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:13.039
indefinitely. But back in nineteen seventy
four, he did not know about an

641
00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:17.199
invention like d in April filing,
which led to the resolution and her identification.

642
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.400
Yeah, I think you could very
easily say that this is not a

643
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:28.079
first timer there's a level of forensic
sophistication with regards to countermeasures. For nineteen

644
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:32.320
seventy four. You wouldn't think that
most killers would be adept enough to be

645
00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:38.480
thinking about removing hands and removing teeth. But yet this is something that just

646
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:44.639
seems to come naturally, that this
person is in this remote spot at this

647
00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:50.559
beach and has the tools to do
something like this, And also just the

648
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:55.360
you know, almost like reptilian nature
to be able to turn on somebody that

649
00:46:55.440 --> 00:47:00.960
you love in such a way.
It's disgusting, but it also speaks to

650
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:06.480
somebody that has some kind of experience
with killing for sure, oh exactly.

651
00:47:06.519 --> 00:47:08.519
And that's a good point about the
tools, because we were discussing that we

652
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:13.360
don't know what was used to remove
her hands and remove her teeth. But

653
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:16.119
the idea that he's going on a
honeymoon to this nice beach area and just

654
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:21.360
happens to have pliers or a hacksaw
in his vehicle to do this really does

655
00:47:21.400 --> 00:47:25.440
point to this being premeditated and that
he knew what he was doing. Yeah,

656
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:30.000
and from like what we didn't really
know in the beginning when I said

657
00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:34.559
I wonder if this person it wasn't
random and that they decided to take the

658
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:37.519
teeth and take the hands because it
could be tied back to him because there

659
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:42.039
was a connection. And that ended
up being true because maybe he paid for

660
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:45.920
the dental work and she was his
wife, so she could absolutely be tied

661
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:50.199
back to him. So that is
really interesting. Yeah, the case has

662
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:53.679
been such a wild ride because when
I covered it in twenty sixteen, we

663
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:59.280
had all these theories about Rory Jean
Kessinger and the serial killer had In Clark

664
00:47:59.760 --> 00:48:04.440
and Whitey Bulger, and also the
possibility that she was an extra in the

665
00:48:04.480 --> 00:48:07.400
movie Jaws. But it turns out
these were all red herrings and it's just

666
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.480
a much simpler solution. She was
just a woman who was in a bad

667
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:15.039
marriage who was killed by an abusive
partner. But because this was nineteen seventy

668
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:19.800
four and things just didn't get communicated
as much and it was much harder to

669
00:48:19.840 --> 00:48:24.119
report someone missing, nobody put two
and two together for nearly fifty years,

670
00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:30.000
and that's why the case was unsolved
for so long. It's incredible when all

671
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:34.480
the pieces come together and you're able
to get a resolution, But there as

672
00:48:34.599 --> 00:48:38.159
few cases that are as wild a
ride as this one. All these crazy

673
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:44.119
details, like I can't even I
can't even process all of them. It's

674
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:46.360
just been a lot. It's true, like I mentioned that in the intro

675
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:52.000
that in so many of these cases
involving unident identified decedents, there are all

676
00:48:52.039 --> 00:48:54.920
these wild theories about who they were, what their backstory was. But when

677
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:59.400
they finally do get identified, it
turns out to be very mundane that they

678
00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.960
were just a right person who maybe
was suicidal or just cross passed with the

679
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:07.760
wrong person. But here we have
a bunch of wild theories and the real

680
00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:10.840
truth turns out to be even wilder
than anyone imagined. I mean, if

681
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:14.960
it was just a simple marriage gone
wrong, that would be one thing,

682
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:17.519
but the fact that it involved a
guy who was linked to other murders in

683
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:22.280
his past and had lived under different
identities just makes this one piece of a

684
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:28.400
very large and crazy puzzle. I
guess this will conclude our episode. But

685
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.800
even though it was a pretty sad
story, I am just so glad that

686
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:35.760
Ruth has her name back and that
her surviving relatives know what happened to her,

687
00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:39.000
and that her son, Richard finally
has answers about his biological mother.

688
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:44.000
So it's great to say that in
this particular case, the trail is no

689
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:49.239
longer cold and the path is no
longer chilly. Thank you so much for

690
00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:52.639
sharing this case with me. I
am so pleased to that Ruth got her

691
00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:57.800
identity back and that her son,
Richard Junior, has a piece of his

692
00:49:57.880 --> 00:50:01.760
mother. Although to know that she
was murdered is a horrific conclusion, at

693
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:07.199
least he has some kind of resolution, and especially in knowing who is responsible

694
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:12.519
and what happened to her exactly,
Like, it's very hard to close murder

695
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:16.199
cases after the perpetrator has already deceased, but here it just seems obvious.

696
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:21.239
There is no mystery and everyone is
at peace with what happened. And it

697
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:23.360
was fun sharing all the details of
this case with you, because a lot

698
00:50:23.360 --> 00:50:28.360
of the time I will give all
these shocking stories and see your reaction where

699
00:50:28.360 --> 00:50:30.199
you're like, I can't believe this
happened, and I'm sure this happened multiple

700
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:36.519
times on this particular episode. Oh
yeah, with every little tidbit of information

701
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:39.000
that you were sharing, it's like, how is this even possible? And

702
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:43.760
then you consider the time period and
you consider how easy it was for people

703
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:47.239
to move around and change their identities, and that just seems to be what

704
00:50:47.320 --> 00:50:51.719
happened here. But like you'd pegs, he was just a real chameleon.

705
00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:55.960
I think he was able to move
through the world what Rocky or Guy whoever

706
00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:59.400
you want to call him, He
was able to move through the world,

707
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:01.920
and he was able to be what
people needed him to be at that moment.

708
00:51:02.159 --> 00:51:07.400
But he wasn't able to really follow
through with the emotion and the complexity

709
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:10.559
and nuance of being an actual human
being in relationships. So he ended up

710
00:51:10.639 --> 00:51:15.519
just leaving this carnage in his wake, exactly. And it will not surprise

711
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:21.079
me one day somebody releases a long
form podcast on the story in the entire

712
00:51:21.119 --> 00:51:23.079
life of Guy Maldovin in general,
because I would like to see if they

713
00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:29.039
can link him to any other unsolved
murders. Oh, I'm sure it's completely

714
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.039
plausible that he killed other people,
Like there's got to be. He just

715
00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:36.719
seems like the type of person that
just so easily disposes of human beings.

716
00:51:37.239 --> 00:51:40.519
And to think that anytime somebody is
standing in his way of whatever he wants,

717
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:45.199
whatever is his set objective, that
he will resort to murder exactly.

718
00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:51.079
So it's a good thing he's no
longer with us, So on that note,

719
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.559
thank you everyone for joining us,
and have yourselves a happy holiday and

720
00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:58.239
a happy New Year. And Ashley
will be back now that the holidays are

721
00:51:58.239 --> 00:52:00.480
over on our next series of episodes, so join us then. So until

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then, have a good few weeks, Robin. Do you want to tell

723
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